From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 00:23:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06276; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02108; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24641; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.109] (unverified [207.226.128.109]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 00:26:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Cleveland CW Bike Show Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 00:20:40 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" After spending two horrid days at Seven Springs with the most rude Pennsylvanians I have ever met (the staff. Most of the guests and skiers were decent) I went to Kent to see my girlfriend's family (she was in tow, of course:) Imagine my surprise to learn that the Cleveland IX center was hosting the CW Bike Show this weekend;) Angie and I (along with most of the tatoo'ed portion of the state's population) went there on Saturday. After a ten minute wait for tickets, went inside the show. Spent the next two hours elbow to elbow with who knows how many people. Anyway, there were tons of cruisers. Some of them actually interesting. A few of the new sportbikes. Just to touch on some memories of the show: BMW: An R1100 or R1200S is confirmed. Supposed to be introduced along with a K1200RT at the Intermot show next fall. Cool deal. Jeanette, I might be wanting to sell my bike if that R1200S comes out. Also had an unpainted (well, it was black and white, but no emblems) R1100RT police bike. Strange seeing a touring bike with only a solo saddle. 50% of the bikes there were cruisers. Plus they were showing the bike chase from the latest Bond flick. Plus they were selling scads of BMW cruiser-ware. I hope they haven't put too many eggs in this basket. Moto-Guzzi: Speaking of weird, they had a Guzzi police bike at the show. Whatever. Finally got to see the California in person. Now I know what my dad means when he says that Guzzi always built big bikes with proportions for small guys (he's only 5'9". Barely;) I sat on that 1100, and was quite cramped. Bimota: Damn! That V-due looked really cool. Pissed off one of the sales drones when I mentioned the recent recall while he had 3-4 interested parties talking to him:) Ducati: I don't care much for most sportbikes, but that 916 is sex on two wheels. And my girlfriend looked perfect on it. Too bad she can't ride (or drive). FWIW, I felt like a hooligan just sitting on the M900. Harley: You can actually sit on them at the show. Not a bad idea if you are planning on dropping $15000 on a bike sight unseen. Yamaha: Nifty new sportbike (yzf r1????) Too bad they didn't have any you could sit on. Suzuki: If they'd just do something about that taillight on the new Katanas, they'd have something pretty nifty. And why no ABS on the Bandit 1200 this year? Damned Luddites... Honda: The PC800 has a bigger trunk than my car. Girlfriend didn't like the GL 1500 seat. Claims it feels different from last year. Thanks for saving me $17,000 Honda:) Forgot to look at the new Interceptor. Doh! Kawasaki: Wow! The Nomad is EXACTLY like a Vulcan with plastic luggage. Why couldn't I think of that? Got to see a KE-100 in person. Coulda slipped it under my jacket and walked out:) KTM: Why no Duke at the show? That was one of the bikes I wanted to see damnit! Buell: Wow. Same crap as last year. Same colors. Same lack of QC. Polaris: Nice bike. Too bad it's another damned cruiser, and the prices are already being pushed beyond MSRP. Wonder how it'll hold up. And has any Polaris tech ever worked on a 4-stroke? Ural: Thanks for showing up. Perhaps the most interesting new bike at the show, IMHO. Vendors: Give me a break. Not only are these prices obnoxious compared to mail order, careful shopping and knowing the parts guy can frequently get you a better price in a retail store. Who the hell are you trying to kid? All except for one vender. This guy named Fred was selling subscriptions to MCN. I finally got to see a few issues of the magazine. And the price was $29 for two years. As $29 was what they wanted for one year according to the web site, I figured what the heck. Got an extra issue for subscribing at the show. Took me longer to read those 40 pages than it normally does to read the 100+ of the other rags. BTW, after looking at the masthead, it seems that Fred was actually Fred Rau. Cool deal. Great mag. Hope all of the issues are as good as the ones I saw on the table. (BTW, can anybody copy the articles on ergonomics? I only got to skim them, and would like to take a longer look at them. TIA) A fun time. I'll likely go again next year. But I'll do what I did last year and not arrive until later in the afternoon when all of the crowds have dissipated. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 02:46:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA07559; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02934; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA26857; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA14440; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:41:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:37:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Exhaust leaks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <55fcb23c.34d2523a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 RDWOODJR@XXXXXX wrote: > << Where the header and collector meet on my Hawk I've got a leak. > SuperTrapp doesn't prescribe a clamp or anything for this joint. Over > time the outer piece has spread wider. > My Sportster 2-1 stainless steel pipe had a clamp, so did my GPZ1100. > Measure the outside diameter of the collector. If it's 2", I have an extra > stainless steel SuperTrapp clamp on my workbench you can have. I wouldn't use > sealants myself, this clamp is not like a threaded-use-a-screwdriver clamp, it > uses a bolt. What's the problem?My Buell's had a slight exhaust leak since the first time I pulled the muffler. Seriously,Buell mufflers are ment to be pulled,and they're sealed with a tighten-the-bolt clamp like Rich described,and some red silicon.My header leaks only cause I didn't bother to replace the sealant after pulling the muffler(it's a very small leak).Using both of these should plug yours up. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 02:56:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA07629; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA03066; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA26970; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA14471; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:52:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:49:26 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, George Howell wrote: > Buell: Wow. Same crap as last year. Same colors. Same lack of QC. Did they have a 'Molten Orange' S1 w/blue frame and wheels?Was it as ugly in person as I thought it would be? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 04:19:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA08376; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03662; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA28054; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA22189 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 03:18:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 03:18:35 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: this sucks.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII not only am I ridless (for the time being) - I'm working nights AND the super. is militant. Damn do I hate authority that feels they don't have to explain themselves - guess it's a good thing I don't work for the Gov. - eh? Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - Next? (street) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) 83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 07:14:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09480; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04891; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29860; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-100-35.s258.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.100.35]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21573 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:14:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D5B9EC.D3023209@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 07:19:56 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil: Battley's has one of the molten orange color or whatever it's called (or at least I'm guessing that orange monstrosity was one of em). It was "different". That's about all that can be said for it. George: KE100's are great!! I had one back when I was 14 so I could get to school and such...Not too shabby offroad; although I did destroy a pair of shocks when I tried to imitate the flying ability of my KX250 racebike ;-) They are really nice if you re-gear them and port the engine to get a few more ponies! As for Polaris, I thought most of their quadrunners were 4 stroke!? (ok, I'm from the land of farms where all the ranchers and farmers see how big their 4x4 quad can be)..They've just moved the engines into a cruiser frame, so working on em shouldn't be a big deal....besides (wink wink) how hard could a big v-twin be? he he he.... Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 08:39:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10337; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06039; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.CIRC.gwu.EDU by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01104; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA10216; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from michael.chem.gwu.edu ([128.164.160.155]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA27417; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:39:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980202083152.007a1100@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:31:52 -0500 To: George Howell , "DC Cycles" From: "Michael P. Tolocka" Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >BMW: An R1100 or R1200S is confirmed. Supposed to be introduced along >with a K1200RT at the Intermot show next fall. R1100S? What niche does this bike fill? >Yamaha: Nifty new sportbike (yzf r1????) Too bad they didn't have any you >could sit on. You should have went to the NYC show ;-) > Forgot to look at the new Interceptor. Doh! That's a shame, great bike. >KTM: Why no Duke at the show? That was one of the bikes I wanted to see >damnit! NYC show had one too, apparently a really fun bike. Mike 1990 CeeBeeOne AMA#608333 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 08:58:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10643; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06487; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01573; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10391; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A0E123D019C; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:57:53 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202081657.00965b40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:16:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Lean Angles In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980131220329.00684814@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:03 PM 1/31/98 -0500, Leon Begeman wrote: >A good time was had by all (except those under 10 yrs. old.) It was rather >chilly out there today. ... >Chris Norloff rode his CB750 around the tight circles and left lots of black >marks on the pavement. Dragging the rear brake and making tight corners >doesn't do much for boots. Great fun! Nice to see folks I hadn't seen in a while, and some I'd never met. Yes, for those of you wondering, those black marks in the tight circles were from my right boot. I control speed with the rear brake (in a situation like this) and I've got the brake pedal lowered for my long legs -- I always knew how far I was leaned over to the right! Leaning to the left, I got all the way over until the engine guard touched down. Thinking back to it all, I wonder if I may have been counter-leaning a bit (sitting more upright than the bike) -- that would make my bike lean more than it actually had to. more! more! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 08:58:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10648; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06494; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01578; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A0E223D019C; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:57:54 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202082940.00965b40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:29:40 -0500 To: Brian McCoy , DC-Cycles list From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: this sucks.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry to hear. Have you seen any used bikes you're interested it? There was a Suzuki 550, needs work, for $450/obo in the Washington Post yesterday. Price is right, depending on what work it needs, of course. _The Want Ad_, (or whatever those small-format, sold at 7-11, pay for your ad only if you sell magazines are called) might have some possiblities for you. Any idea if fixing your old bike is feasible? Speaking as a garage-less rider myself, I gotta say it's lousy to work on your bike in the winter. good luck, Chris Norloff ******************************************************** At 03:18 AM 2/2/98 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: >not only am I ridless (for the time being) - I'm working nights AND the >super. is militant. Damn do I hate authority that feels they don't have >to explain themselves - guess it's a good thing I don't work for the Gov. >- eh? > >Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - Next? (street) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) >83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? >www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 10:00:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11403; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07302; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03119; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA10802; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:58:11 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB63B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Newbie Drops Bike... Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:55:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I told some of you this story when I saw you on Saturday, but I thought it was pretty funny, so I'm posting it... As some of you know, I'd been pretty proud that it took me 5 months to finally drop my bike the first time (of course, though it HAD to be in front of someone!!) Well, I had my second incident Saturday morning before the lean angles seminar of Leon's... My driveway is very uphill & I was attempting to ride the babyceptor up the driveway without having her sufficiently warmed up - my bike HAS to warm up or she does not run....or, conks out... Well, long story short, I got her partway up the driveway, then she conked out on me. I tried to put my left foot down while braking with my right hand. Oops! I stepped into a hole & my foot went into a garbage can full of water. So, I totally lost balance & the bike landed on my left leg with me landing on the cement stairs on my left side. I calmly tried to remove my leg from under the bike - nothing. After numerous attempts, I took my helmet off - I guess I wouldn't be needing that!! and tried to push the bike off me. No luck whatsoever. She wasn't moving & I didn't have any leverage in the position I was laying. Basically, I was stuck and stuck good. I was considering what to do next when I heard the engine of a jeep - YAY!! SALVATION!! My roommate (thank Goddess for male roommates!!) returned home because he got the time of his flag football game wrong. I smiled, waved sheepishly, & he helped me from my prone position. He didn't even laugh at me. Now THAT'S a roommate! Two positive things learned: wearing leathers keeps you from getting your leg ripped up on stairs, and my First Gear Commander boots are COMPLETELY waterproof. I didn't even realize my leg was immersed in water until I looked down. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 10:24:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11826; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07888; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03925; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/970102ccg) with ESMTP id KAA22243; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:19:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802021519.KAA22243@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: shephar1@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, xl-list@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Battle2win magazine In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:29:15 PST." <34D3A5BB.6A96@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:19:53 -0500 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" I think I heard "Ken S." say: >Has anyone ever received by subscription or found for sale a new issue >of Battle2win magazine. the last issue I have is from the Summer of >1997, Vol 1 , Issue 4. I had spoken to them earlier and had believed >that they would be publishing a new isssue this month, but have not >heard from them, payment didnt even show up on latest credit card bill. >Was just wondering if anyone had gotten their issue. >-- > Ken S. > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood, WV I've got a subscription to it. I think they have a website to get the subscription from. I just got an issue a couple of weeks ago. ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 12:10:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14420; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10499; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08279; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA08833 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:09:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802021709.LAA08833@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> Received: from slip-32-100-159-231.dc.us.ibm.net(32.100.159.231) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008765; Mon Feb 2 11:08:37 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:09:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Va Legislation Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB63B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) >From another list: . . . for the folks in Virginia, there are two pieces of legislation before the General Assembly which need the input of motorcyclists. The first will remove tolls on motorcycle trailers and side cars from any state controlled highways. Currently bikes with a third axle (i.e., those pulling trailers and bikes with sidecars) are charged the same toll as 18 wheelers. (Can you believe it.) Anyway, House Bill 708 will remove these tolls. This bill is a no-brainer (as are many that need to be revised or enacted) and should receive all motorcyclists support. The other bill is a little more controversial, and I am not going to get into the pros and cons of helmet usage here. It will make the use of helmets optional for all riders over the age of 21. In other words freedom of choice. Now, as I said, my intent here is NOT to debate this issue -- it is to inform. There is not a bill number for the helmet amendment as yet. What I am asking is that all Virginia motorcyclists call in and register your opinions on these bills to your representatives. You can call 698-1990 (local Richmond) or 1-800-889-0229 from 7am to 7pm weekdays. They will take your name and address, and then ask you what you are calling in reference to and then your opinion. They will then forward your response to the appropriate representatives. I was told by the hot-line people when I called that the Helmet amendment is the number one issue that callers are voicing an opinion on. ALL Virginia motorcyclists need to have a voice in this issue. I don't care which side of the issue you are on, this is your opportunity to speak out. We don't want non motorcyclists or a just small group determining our future. There are 64,000 registered motorcycles and over 200,000 licensed motorcyclists in Virginia. SO JUST DO IT. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 12:15:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14498; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10639; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08470; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from rothp ([198.27.17.48]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 220 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:14:30 -0500 Sender: arottier@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34D5FF05.21A2@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:14:45 -0800 From: Amy Rottier X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 500 Shadow in Bowie $1100/obo References: <199801290000.TAA09149@tove.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy! I bought myself a bigger bike this weekend. Now up for grabs: 1983 Honda Shadow 500cc 29k miles windshield leather side bags maroon-y color extra after-market pipes (stock on bike) It's a great starter bike for someone. It's been 7 years and I'm due a bigger one for myself. Otherwise, I still love the thing. Thanks, Amy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 12:51:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15652; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11159; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10253; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:51:32 -0500 (EST) From: mdow@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Mon Feb 2 12:45 EST 1998 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id MAA26377 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA11079 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:08 -0500 Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2FD9.6FB12150@XXXXXX>; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:36 -0500 Message-Id: To: , Subject: RE: Va Legislation Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for bringing this to light, Bill. I have already called to make my opinion known, and I urge everyone else to do so as well. Michael A. Dow LAN Support Team AT&T, Dulles Corner (703) 713-7062 >---------- >From: Bill Schmidt[SMTP:billsch@XXXXXX] >Reply To: billsch@XXXXXX >Sent: Monday, February 02, 1998 12:09 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Va Legislation > >From another list: > >. . . for the folks in Virginia, there are two pieces of >legislation before the General Assembly which need the input >of motorcyclists. > >The first will remove tolls on motorcycle trailers and side >cars from any state controlled highways. Currently bikes >with a third axle (i.e., those pulling trailers and bikes >with sidecars) are charged the same toll as 18 wheelers. >(Can you believe it.) Anyway, House Bill 708 will remove >these tolls. This bill is a no-brainer (as are many that >need to be revised or enacted) and should receive all >motorcyclists support. > >The other bill is a little more controversial, and I am not >going to get into the pros and cons of helmet usage here. >It will make the use of helmets optional for all riders over >the age of 21. In other words freedom of choice. Now, as I >said, my intent here is NOT to debate this issue -- it is to >inform. There is not a bill number for the helmet amendment >as yet. > >What I am asking is that all Virginia motorcyclists call in >and register your opinions on these bills to your >representatives. You can call 698-1990 (local Richmond) or >1-800-889-0229 from 7am to 7pm weekdays. They will take >your name and address, and then ask you what you are calling >in reference to and then your opinion. They will then >forward your response to the appropriate representatives. > >I was told by the hot-line people when I called that the >Helmet amendment is the number one issue that callers are >voicing an opinion on. ALL Virginia motorcyclists need to >have a voice in this issue. I don't care which side of the >issue you are on, this is your opportunity to speak out. We >don't want non motorcyclists or a just small group >determining our future. There are 64,000 registered >motorcycles and over 200,000 licensed motorcyclists in >Virginia. SO JUST DO IT. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 12:52:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15670; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11167; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10296; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA22032 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:49:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 2 Feb 1998 17:52:21 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:53:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: CB Radios Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know a good local shop for buying a CB radio? Having tested it yesterday up to about 110 mph, the Autocom system worked so well I'm tempted to hook it up for bike-to-bike communication. I think the ideal one would be a "marine"-style handheld, for weather protection. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 12:52:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15684; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11175; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10311; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16632; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA28102; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:53:01 -0500 Message-ID: <34D607BE.FD56074@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:51:58 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lean Angles References: <3.0.1.32.19980202081657.00965b40@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sunday's weather was much better than Saturday. There weren't as many people on Sunday as Saturday. Colin and Penny both showed up with 11 mo old son. I suspect Dad and son had a better time than Mom did on this outing. Ursulina came on her 454 LTD, and did more riding than anyone else. She showed great improvement on the large circles, but didn't attempt the small ones. She does need to remember to turn the ignition switch off when dismounting the bike. I don't mind, that gave me an excuse to ride her bike. It wasn't a very long ride, and most of it was with the engine off, but it was another bike to ride. Tom Zell rode his VFR. Don't believe him when he tells you how ugly it is. There are no ugly bikes and and even if there were, his wouldn't win any prizes for being ugly. Colin took the Ninja ZX-9R home. He rode my Ninja around the small circles a couple of times, he didn't do as will with it as he did with Jeannette's Interceptor, but he was still well under 30 seconds. I'd really like to do this again. How about 4th of July in the Pentagon Parking lot? We can ride and picnic in the afternoon and watch fireworks after dark. Leon. Chris Norloff wrote: > At 05:03 PM 1/31/98 -0500, Leon Begeman wrote: > >A good time was had by all (except those under 10 yrs. old.) It was rather > >chilly out there today. > ... > >Chris Norloff rode his CB750 around the tight circles and left lots of black > >marks on the pavement. Dragging the rear brake and making tight corners > >doesn't do much for boots. > > Great fun! Nice to see folks I hadn't seen in a while, and some I'd never > met. > > Yes, for those of you wondering, those black marks in the tight circles > were from my right boot. I control speed with the rear brake (in a > situation like this) and I've got the brake pedal lowered for my long legs > -- I always knew how far I was leaned over to the right! > > Leaning to the left, I got all the way over until the engine guard touched > down. Thinking back to it all, I wonder if I may have been counter-leaning > a bit (sitting more upright than the bike) -- that would make my bike lean > more than it actually had to. > > more! more! > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 13:18:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16194; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11620; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11119; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09849; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id ADA4DB01DE; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:17:08 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202131748.00a021c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:17:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Lean Angles In-Reply-To: <34D607BE.FD56074@illuminet.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980202081657.00965b40@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:51 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Leon Begeman wrote: >Colin took the Ninja ZX-9R home. He rode my Ninja around the small circles a >couple of times, he didn't do as will with it as he did with Jeannette's >Interceptor, but he was still well under 30 seconds. > >I'd really like to do this again. How about 4th of July in the Pentagon Parking >lot? We can ride and picnic in the afternoon and watch fireworks after dark. > >Leon. In principle, yes. It was sure fun last year! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 13:21:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16291; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11783; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11228; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA24310; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:20:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA15113; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:20:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980202182033.ETPX6587@XXXXXX>; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:20:33 -0500 Message-ID: <34D60E73.E5145B71@mci.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:20:35 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CB Radios References: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So Harry, With this intercom, I take it you had a passenger with you at 110 mph? = 8 - o How good does the reception have to be to hear 'AAAAUUUUUGGHHHHH! SLOWDOWNSLOWDOWNSLOWDOWNSLOWDOWN!!!!' clearly? (just kidding! :-) By 'marine' I presume you meant watercraft and not soldiers with guns, right? I'm sort of interested in what you end up with. I've been looking at something reliable for the wife and I to talk bike-to-bike next summer on our bike vacation. Of course, most good systems cost in the neighborhood of what I spend on motorcycles, so I think we'll just end up doing lots of yelling and hand signalling this time around. Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > Does anyone know a good local shop for buying a CB radio? Having tested > it yesterday up to about 110 mph, the Autocom system worked so well I'm > tempted to hook it up for bike-to-bike communication. I think the ideal > one would be a "marine"-style handheld, for weather protection. > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 13:52:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16927; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12757; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12148; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22276; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:49:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202135305.0069e42c@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 2 Feb 1998 18:51:48 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:53:05 -0500 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: CB Radios Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34D60E73.E5145B71@mci.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:20 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >So Harry, >With this intercom, I take it you had a passenger with you at 110 mph? Yes. The sound was very clear, even with earplugs in, and the VOX worked flawlessly. The only problem was that the radio reception on the Walkman was not so great. Next time we'll use a CD Walkman for tunes. It's strange how music adds a whole new dimension to riding. Unfortunately, the intercom has nixed by tenancy to sing along. I have to admit that talking while riding is a strange experience. It is much nicer to be able to discuss things or tell your passenger that you're about to pass someone. At the same time, we found ourselves talking somewhat less than we do while in a car and simply enjoying the ride. ...... >I've been looking at something >reliable for the wife and I to talk bike-to-bike next summer on our bike >vacation. If you want the system to work, be prepared to empty your wallet and your child's college fund. The ideal setup for people who ride together frequently is an Autocom Eurocom hooked to the Motorola FM radio. For riding close together, a CB will do, plus you can talk to many other people out in the wilds. I was going for a CB since I don't know too many others with similar systems. However, that may be changing. In any event, you'll wind up coughing up about $400 per bike, plus another $200 for a pair of handheld CBs. J&M has a new product which allows you to hook a headset directly to a handheld CB - see: http://www.jmcorp.com/product/apHandle.htm For CB's, try http://www.bills2way.com/equip/handheld.html This might save a bit if you're trying to outfit 2 bikes, though the J&M headsets aren't cheap. However, based on what I've tried and read, if you buy anything other than Autocom or J&M, you'll basically be throwing your money away since none of the others (like Chatterbox, Maxxon, etc.) work reliably at normal (uh.. legal) speeds. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 15:01:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19607; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13509; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16464; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19677; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA12748 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:00:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA03773 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980202200034.FYVU6587@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:00:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:57 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lean Angles - The next X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980202200034.FYVU6587@[166.41.242.141]> Leon Wrote: >I'd really like to do this again. How about 4th of July in the Pentagon Parking >lot? We can ride and picnic in the afternoon and watch fireworks after dark. May I suggest we do this again in late April. Right around then, the hibernators will be coming out and will definitely need some practice. Also DC-Cycles will be riding the BRP to Deals Gap in May, and the practice wouldn't hurt. Finally, we could set up some other challenges like: - full on/panic braking - braking in corners - swerves - very slow riding (the one that takes the longest to finish course, wins), counting dabs. - slow and accurate riding (riding on a 2x4x16 board) A virtual MSF road course! Todd PS: Thanks Leon for taking the time and trouble to set this thing up. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 15:32:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20412; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14170; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17703; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from rothp ([198.27.17.48]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 99; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:31:34 -0500 Sender: arottier@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34D62D36.245@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:31:50 -0800 From: Amy Rottier X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: My "new" bike Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who are interested, here's what I bought: Even thought it's a little outre', and quite differently-styled, I actually like it alot (it'll take some getting used to sitting next to my friends' bikes...). It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. It's pearl white and grey. It only has 9700 miles, and I weaseled two helmets with it; and I think I got a great price. I really wanted an ST or Concours or BMW (R or K1100RT), or even the Triumph (but I'd rather have shaft). But this bike is great, too. It moves right out, is smooth, and I think I can last more than an hour at once on it. Once I decide I'm allowed to like it for itself, I know I will be very happy with it. TTFN, Amy -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Amy E. Rottier Donovan Platypus =) Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX Lockheed Martin Technical Operations 7474 Greenway Center Drive Suite 200 301-901-6020 (office) Greenbelt, MD 20770 301-901-6161 (fax) ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 16:06:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21754; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15377; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.CIRC.gwu.EDU by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19641; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (mpt@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15294; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mpt@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28962; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:05:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:05:59 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Tolocka To: Amy Rottier cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My "new" bike In-Reply-To: <34D62D36.245@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Amy: Congratulations! Great bike, big trunk. _aloha_ _Mike_ AMA#608333 1990 CB-1 _Keep the shiny side up_ On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Amy Rottier wrote: > For those who are interested, here's what I bought: > > Even thought it's a little outre', and quite differently-styled, I > actually like it alot (it'll take some getting used to sitting next to > my friends' bikes...). It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. It's > pearl white and grey. It only has 9700 miles, and I weaseled two > helmets with it; and I think I got a great price. I really wanted an ST > or Concours or BMW (R or K1100RT), or even the Triumph (but I'd rather > have shaft). But this bike is great, too. It moves right out, is > smooth, and I think I can last more than an hour at once on it. Once I > decide I'm allowed to like it for itself, I know I will be very happy > with it. > > TTFN, > Amy > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Amy E. Rottier Donovan Platypus =) > Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX > Lockheed Martin Technical Operations > 7474 Greenway Center Drive Suite 200 301-901-6020 (office) > Greenbelt, MD 20770 301-901-6161 (fax) > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 16:31:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22458; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16034; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from widgetworks.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20779; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from peter@localhost) by widgetworks.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA25092; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:31:31 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Johansson Message-Id: <199802022131.QAA25092@widgetworks.com> Subject: Re: My "new" bike To: Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX (Amy Rottier) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:31:31 -0500 (EST) Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34D62D36.245@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> from Amy Rottier at "Feb 2, 98 12:31:50 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy writes: > For those who are interested, here's what I bought: > > Even thought it's a little outre', and quite differently-styled, I > actually like it alot (it'll take some getting used to sitting next to > my friends' bikes...). It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. Underneath all that bodywork, though, the bike is surprisingly similar to your good ol' Shadow. I've always thought the PC800 was a wonderful mid-sized tourer and I'm surprised there aren't more of them on the road. My GF lusts after the R850/1100, but I think the PC800 is much more in line with her budget. > It's > pearl white and grey. It only has 9700 miles, and I weaseled two > helmets with it; and I think I got a great price. If you don't mind my asking, what did you pay for it? (you can reply via private e-mail if you'd rather...) > I really wanted an ST > or Concours or BMW (R or K1100RT), or even the Triumph (but I'd rather > have shaft). I've got a Triumph and I love it. But it's certainly not for those lacking in the inseam, though. Even with a 32" inseam, the Triumph felt *HUGE* when I first sat on it. I'm comfortable with it now but it's still a *big* bike. > But this bike is great, too. It moves right out, is > smooth, and I think I can last more than an hour at once on it. Once I > decide I'm allowed to like it for itself, I know I will be very happy > with it. Sounds like you need to take a weekend camping trip in West Virginia to truely appreciate the bike's qualities. I can recomend some great campsites and even greater roads... Peter Johansson peter@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 16:35:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22507; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16046; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20833; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA00746; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA25179; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:34:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980202213417.HJHF6587@XXXXXX>; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:34:17 -0500 Message-ID: <34D63BDA.21BCDD43@mci.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:34:18 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amy Rottier CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My "new" bike References: <34D62D36.245@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy, Congrats on the new bike! I've heard that if you carefully burp the trunk and saddlebags when you close it, food will stay fresh for days! :-) I'm kidding! Just had to harrass you a little... Enjoy the new ride, Dale (the Horkster) Amy Rottier wrote: > For those who are interested, here's what I bought: > > Even thought it's a little outre', and quite differently-styled, I > actually like it alot (it'll take some getting used to sitting next to > my friends' bikes...). It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. It's > pearl white and grey. It only has 9700 miles, and I weaseled two > helmets with it; and I think I got a great price. I really wanted an ST > or Concours or BMW (R or K1100RT), or even the Triumph (but I'd rather > have shaft). But this bike is great, too. It moves right out, is > smooth, and I think I can last more than an hour at once on it. Once I > decide I'm allowed to like it for itself, I know I will be very happy > with it. > > TTFN, > Amy > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Amy E. Rottier Donovan Platypus =) > Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX > Lockheed Martin Technical Operations > 7474 Greenway Center Drive Suite 200 301-901-6020 (office) > Greenbelt, MD 20770 301-901-6161 (fax) > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 16:36:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22535; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16056; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20877; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from rothp ([198.27.17.48]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 136; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:36:11 -0500 Sender: arottier@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34D63C5B.617A@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:36:27 -0800 From: Amy Rottier X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Johansson CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My "new" bike References: <199802022131.QAA25092@widgetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Johansson wrote: > > Amy writes: > > It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. > > Underneath all that bodywork, though, the bike is surprisingly similar > to your good ol' Shadow. Yes. It's actually a bored-out version of my husband's old bike! > My GF lusts after the R850/1100, but I think the PC800 > is much more in line with her budget. Tell her I know the problem exactly. Of course, I'm usually more willing to compromis... > Sounds like you need to take a weekend camping trip in West Virginia > to truely appreciate the bike's qualities. I can recomend some great > campsites and even greater roads... Amen on that score! Send 'em on!! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Amy E. Rottier Donovan Platypus =) Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX Lockheed Martin Technical Operations 7474 Greenway Center Drive Suite 200 301-901-6020 (office) Greenbelt, MD 20770 301-901-6161 (fax) ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 16:49:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22831; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16182; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21245; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from rothp ([198.27.17.48]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 305; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:48:39 -0500 Sender: arottier@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34D63F47.82F@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:48:55 -0800 From: Amy Rottier X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My "new" bike References: <34D62D36.245@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> <34D63BDA.21BCDD43@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And did you know the thing has a car-like trunk release lever, and an hydraulic lifter for the trunk lid? Blew my little mind away. Now all I need is my plug-in massager for the seat, a little cup-holder, radio and CB, and I'll be touring with the Big Wings... ;P Amy Dale Horstman wrote: > > Amy, > > Congrats on the new bike! I've heard that if you carefully > burp the trunk and saddlebags when you close it, food will > stay fresh for days! :-) > > I'm kidding! Just had to harrass you a little... > > Enjoy the new ride, > > Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 17:04:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23308; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16567; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21977; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA03191 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: <34D6429B.FC1256EF@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:03:07 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: 500 Shadow in Bowie $1100/obo References: <199801290000.TAA09149@tove.cs.umd.edu> <34D5FF05.21A2@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So don't keep us in suspense, what is it that's bigger than a Shadow 500? Leon. Amy Rottier wrote: > Howdy! > > I bought myself a bigger bike this weekend. Now up for grabs: > > 1983 Honda Shadow 500cc > 29k miles > windshield > leather side bags > maroon-y color > extra after-market pipes (stock on bike) > > It's a great starter bike for someone. It's been 7 years and I'm due a > bigger one for myself. Otherwise, I still love the thing. > > Thanks, > Amy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 17:18:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23652; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16875; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22451; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA03651; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:18:27 -0500 Message-ID: <34D645F1.39A705F1@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:17:21 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CB Radios References: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use a Radio Shack hand-held CB with weather band. It's been on the bike since June, and even in the rain it works well. It's part of the J&M Personal Audio Pak. The things I don't like about it are: 1) the knobs and buttons are too small to work with heavy gloves on. 2) the light doesn't stay on long enough (when I can find the tiny button in the dark) 3) Weatherband has a very small coverage area - but I don't think that's a problem with the radio Costs for the system are as follows: Radio about $130 J&M Audio Pak $129.95 Helmet speaker system $109.95 - $189.95 (for J&M systems) No-ground plane CB antenna $39.95 at Radio Shack. CBs for bikes ain't cheap. This system works almost as well as the $49.95 car CB (with antenna included) that you can get from Walmart. Leon. Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > Does anyone know a good local shop for buying a CB radio? Having tested > it yesterday up to about 110 mph, the Autocom system worked so well I'm > tempted to hook it up for bike-to-bike communication. I think the ideal > one would be a "marine"-style handheld, for weather protection. > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 17:25:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23782; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:25:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17092; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22670; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22548; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA13667 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:25:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from wbg-va3-18.ix.netcom.com(205.184.195.114) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013584; Mon Feb 2 16:24:48 1998 X-Sender: dwkaiser@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:27:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: David & Michele DeJong Kaiser Subject: Re: Lean Angles Well I enjoyed it a lot. I was on a grocery run with my '95 Concours, and remembered that y'all were doing this (I showed up on Saturday). Ran the large circles for a while. Louis and I ended up chasing each other around. I learned that he can push his Connie a little faster than I was willing to push mine. Must be because I still had the bags on it. Yeah, that's it. I could only stay for about 45 minutes but I enjoyed it. Managed to load a gallon of milk, a 12pack of coke, a pack of diapers, and a bunch of bananas into those bags on the way home. David W. Kaiser, 1Lt, USAF - What I say will probably be totally ignored by the Air Force so there's no way it's official, '95 Concours From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 17:28:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23824; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17186; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22755; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA04105; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:28:36 -0500 Message-ID: <34D64843.791367F1@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:27:15 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Subject: Re: CB Radios References: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> <34D60E73.E5145B71@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale, In your case the Maxxon or other 49cc units would probably be enough. You can't talk at high speeds, the range is poor and you can only talk to others that you've arranged in advance to have the same system or once in a while a baby monitor. But they are only $50 per unit. Oh, they're also annoying to hook up and use. But, I suspect you could put up with a lot of those problems rather than spend $300+ per bike. Leon. Dale Horstman wrote: > So Harry, > > With this intercom, I take it you had a passenger with you at 110 mph? = 8 - > o > > How good does the reception have to be to hear 'AAAAUUUUUGGHHHHH! > SLOWDOWNSLOWDOWNSLOWDOWNSLOWDOWN!!!!' > clearly? (just kidding! :-) > > By 'marine' I presume you meant watercraft and not soldiers with guns, right? > > I'm sort of interested in what you end up with. I've been looking at > something > reliable for the wife and I to talk bike-to-bike next summer on our bike > vacation. > Of course, most good systems cost in the neighborhood of what I spend on > motorcycles, > so I think we'll just end up doing lots of yelling and hand signalling this > time around. > > Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > > > Does anyone know a good local shop for buying a CB radio? Having tested > > it yesterday up to about 110 mph, the Autocom system worked so well I'm > > tempted to hook it up for bike-to-bike communication. I think the ideal > > one would be a "marine"-style handheld, for weather protection. > > > > Harry > > Bethesda, MD > > '97 BMW R1100RT > > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > > "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 17:58:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24681; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17919; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23843; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA05075; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:57:47 -0500 Message-ID: <34D64F2B.2AD5FE5B@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:56:43 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Tolocka CC: Amy Rottier , balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My "new" bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree, nice bike. The PC has always been on my wish list of bikes to get if money is a minor concern, rather than the over-riding factor. If that trunk ever gets too small, I can show you how to improve on your luggage capacity. My Ninja carries a 24 gallon luggage box. Leon. Michael Tolocka wrote: > Amy: > > Congratulations! Great bike, big trunk. > > _aloha_ > > _Mike_ > AMA#608333 > 1990 CB-1 > _Keep the shiny side up_ > > On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Amy Rottier wrote: > > > For those who are interested, here's what I bought: > > > > Even thought it's a little outre', and quite differently-styled, I > > actually like it alot (it'll take some getting used to sitting next to > > my friends' bikes...). It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. It's > > pearl white and grey. It only has 9700 miles, and I weaseled two > > helmets with it; and I think I got a great price. I really wanted an ST > > or Concours or BMW (R or K1100RT), or even the Triumph (but I'd rather > > have shaft). But this bike is great, too. It moves right out, is > > smooth, and I think I can last more than an hour at once on it. Once I > > decide I'm allowed to like it for itself, I know I will be very happy > > with it. > > > > TTFN, > > Amy > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Amy E. Rottier Donovan Platypus =) > > Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX > > Lockheed Martin Technical Operations > > 7474 Greenway Center Drive Suite 200 301-901-6020 (office) > > Greenbelt, MD 20770 301-901-6161 (fax) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 18:17:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25149; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18417; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24545; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-36-110.s110.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.110]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27884 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:21:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D65429.1462B131@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:18:02 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: CB Radios References: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> <34D60E73.E5145B71@mci.com> <34D64843.791367F1@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ya know, I'm not gonna knock the Autocomm's or the others, but gimme a break, $400!!!! THat's ludicrous. And as for the maxon's, which I have, they make two different models that are good for bikes. The one that has been mentioned that is so so at speed is the boom mic model. It's ok to about 70 mph depending on how well the helmet keeps out wind noise. The other model uses an earphone mic/speaker. It is crystal clear to speeds reaching plaid (spaceballs movie if ya didn't get the joke)...I've used it into triple digits with effortless speaking and hearing....and it only costs $50 or so. As for range, they're good for between an 1/8 to 1/4 mile. How often are you ever farther than that from your riding partners???? Ok, so you can't tie in the radio and you don't get super stereo sound, but you do get very effective communications for 1/10th the price...some of us need that extra cash for tires...Or you could spend the extra cash on a cd player to mount as has already been described by Brian and Chris among others, an electric vest, and ..well, you get the drift... As for usefulness, most of the communicators you'll run across with others using them are 49 Mhz (chatterbox, Maxxon, most Nady, etc.) There are a few 900Mhz units out there, but the price starts to climb on them and about all you get is a little more range. As for CB's, I've seen some Uniden models and others like them that are 3 inches wide, 3/4 inch thick, and like 6 or so deep that can easily be mounted in numerous locations even on a sport bike. All you have to do is find a decent headset to go onto it rather than using the traditional mic that they come with. Any good CB shop should have these relatively cheap. Collin (who's a cheap SOB) he he he _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 18:25:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25311; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18505; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24820; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-36-110.s110.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.110]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02031; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:29:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D65604.4E48030B@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:25:57 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Baltimore International Motorcycle Show References: <3c27f217.34d5c04f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just for those that don't know, This is NOT the true international motorcycle show that travels the country (like the one a lot of listers hit in NYC a few weeks back). I've heard it's still a pretty decent show though, just not as big as the "real" show... Collin (I noticed balt cycles did a nice little silent domain switch :) good to see it working smoothly) BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > Heres the goods > Ride Free! > Steel Trap > > Baltimore International Motorcycle show > Baltimore Convention Center > February 13th, 14th, 15th > Friday, 6pm till midnight > Saturday, 10am till 10pm > Sunday, 10am till 6pm > Take I95 to I395 exit, then to Conway Street to the Convention Center > > New motorcycle dealer and ATV displays > New stock and custom accessories > Big discounts (buy at the show) > Custom bike show--trophies for 13 classes > Antigue and vintage motorcycle show > Various other displays > $1.00 off general admission for ABATE and AMA members > advance discount tickets call (301) 808-2233 > > The International Motorcycle Show is searching for contestants in the > > MISS INTERNATIONAL MOTORCYCLE SHOW COMPETITION > AND MOTORCYCLE ART SHOW COMPETITION > all forms and photos must be submitted by February 8th > I have most of the detail, email me if your interested > or call (301) 808-2233 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: International motorcycle show > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:02:32 EST > From: Biker536@XXXXXX > Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) > To: AAABATE@XXXXXX, AbateBalto@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, AMLP311@XXXXXX, > ArJay96@XXXXXX, Bain8@XXXXXX, BANANABUF@XXXXXX, BCFD126@XXXXXX, > BigDog1212@XXXXXX, BIKER5569@XXXXXX, BillCBMWMC@XXXXXX, > Bkrbill13x@XXXXXX, BkrFamily@XXXXXX, BKRTRASH@XXXXXX, > BlackcatU2@XXXXXX, Blue72FLH@XXXXXX, Boyclyde@XXXXXX, > BROSCLUB1@XXXXXX, BULL208@XXXXXX > > Baltimore International Motorcycle show > Baltimore Convention Center > February 13th, 14th, 15th > Friday, 6pm till midnight > Saturday, 10am till 10pm > Sunday, 10am till 6pm > Take I95 to I395 exit, then to Conway Street to the Convention Center > > New motorcycle dealer and ATV displays > New stock and custom accessories > Big discounts (buy at the show) > Custom bike show--trophies for 13 classes > Antigue and vintage motorcycle show > Various other displays > $1.00 off general admission for ABATE and AMA members > advance discount tickets call (301) 808-2233 > > The International Motorcycle Show is searching for contestants in the > > MISS INTERNATIONAL MOTORCYCLE SHOW COMPETITION > AND MOTORCYCLE ART SHOW COMPETITION > all forms and photos must be submitted by February 8th > I have most of the detail, email me if your interested > or call (301) 808-2233 -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 18:25:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25316; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18509; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from widgetworks.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24824; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from peter@localhost) by widgetworks.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA25743; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:15 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Johansson Message-Id: <199802022325.SAA25743@widgetworks.com> Subject: West VA trips, roads, and camping info To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:15 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems as if many ears were tickled when I mentioned West VA riding info, and I thought I could get away with re-posting my trip reports. Unfortunately, I expected them to be archived by my list archiving software and it seems as if I happened to post them when the software was broken. :( If anyone happened to save it, *please* mail it to me or to the balt-cycles list (I'm not on DC cycles.) I *promise* to recap my trip notes and routes, but I'll need to dig out my maps and what-not, as well as scratch some of the dark areas of my brain. Peter Johansson peter@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 18:33:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25444; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18724; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25025; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-36-110.s110.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.110]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06707 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:37:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D657ED.4F4B131D@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:34:05 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: parking lot play Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boy, that shiny red ZX-9R looks perty sittin on top of my new 21" monitor at work...now I just need to paint it blue and white and call it a suzuki... and in real small letters write 26.38 on the windscreen like the drag racers do :) As those of us that showed up this weekend discussed, I'm officially razzing Marcy for not showing up :) Geez...Birthday party till 5am...some people will come up with any excuse he he he... Just kidding.. Happy B-day. Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 18:57:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25814; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18929; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25433; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:57:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA15874 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:24:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:24:06 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: this sucks.. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980202082940.00965b40@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's not going to be fixed.. at least not by me. The whole crankcase on the left side shattered - lots of guesses as to why, but I bet age, temp, and vibration did a lot of the damage. I'm parting the thing out for a month, then everything's going to salvage. On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > > Any idea if fixing your old bike is feasible? > > Speaking as a garage-less rider myself, I gotta say it's lousy to work on > your bike in the winter. Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - Next? (street) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) 83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 19:19:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26019; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19169; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25867; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA07705; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:20:13 -0500 Message-ID: <34D66279.2FBB85BB@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:19:05 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amy Rottier , dc-cycles Subject: Re: My "new" bike References: <34D64F2B.2AD5FE5B@illuminet.net> <34D65379.21B6@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy Rottier took the bait and asked: > I've got the GiVi catalog, and have seen some great pics on the web of > folks who have it installed. I think that'll be a must before our > cross-country ride next year (spring '99). > > What do you have going? Luggage-box-wise, that is? Rubbermaid makes the finest in inexpensive motorcycle luggage. The 24 gallon box on mine cost about $20. The 8 gallon version is about $15. Here are a couple of pictures of it on my SilverWing - I just moved it over to the Ninja when I got the new bike. http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/jdbike4.jpg http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/jdbike5.jpg http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/crotona2.jpg - before it got that great paint job. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 19:47:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26351; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19302; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26351; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA01149; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:46:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from vna-va12-36.ix.netcom.com(207.223.178.100) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000265; Mon Feb 2 18:36:40 1998 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34D66279.2FBB85BB@illuminet.net> References: <34D64F2B.2AD5FE5B@XXXXXX> <34D65379.21B6@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:39:44 -0400 To: Leon Begeman From: David & Michele DeJong Kaiser Subject: John Deer Cycles Cc: dc-cycles the >Ninja when I got the new bike. >http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/jdbike4.jpg >http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/jdbike5.jpg >http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/crotona2.jpg - before it got that great >paint job. > >Leon. So what's the story on the John Deer bikes. I remember being passed by one near the Pentagon about 4 months ago. Then I saw one at the circles on Sat., and now here's another one. Are they all yours? How many are there? ... and of course why?... David W. Kaiser, 1Lt, USAF - What I say will probably be totally ignored by the Air Force so there's no way it's official, '95 Concours From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 20:16:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26719; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19492; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26868; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA09437; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:16:36 -0500 Message-ID: <34D66FB3.D8CDE30E@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 20:15:31 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David & Michele DeJong Kaiser CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: John Deere Cycles References: <34D64F2B.2AD5FE5B@XXXXXX> <34D65379.21B6@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is currently only one John Deere bike - I gave the one in the pictures away Thanksgiving weekend. Although there have been rumors of a Harley somewhere in NC painted that way. Mine was the one at the circles Saturday. It consists mostly of Ninja 250 parts. Both of the John Deere bikes I've ever seen were mine. The first one got painted because the SilverWing needed paint (http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/crotona2.jpg) and I always thought that the handling and temperment of that bike was very similar to the 720 Diesel that Dad had. Plus John Deere had just announced that they were going to sponsor Chad Little in NASCAR. After the first one got painted that way, I got so many great comments over the CB that I did the Ninja in that livery as soon as I bought it. I'm considering a Connie next, maybe I can get a good deal on getting 2 of them painted. ;-) Leon. David & Michele DeJong Kaiser wrote: > So what's the story on the John Deer bikes. I remember being passed by one > near the Pentagon about 4 months ago. Then I saw one at the circles on > Sat., and now here's another one. > > Are they all yours? How many are there? ... and of course why?... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 20:46:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27089; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19709; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27595; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:45:56 -0500 (EST) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: from Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id 1FMFa14469 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:45:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:45:26 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Maryland Roads Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 A while ago, I posted to this list and said there were plenty of good roads in Maryland. Someone (sorry, can't remember who) asked that I give them some information on those roads. Then, my pc crashed and I lost that message. I have since unsubscribed, but am willing to share some of the rides I've been on if anyone is interested. E-mail me at lgvxlh883@XXXXXX or lisav@XXXXXX and I will go through my file of LadyRider rides to find those roads. Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 21:14:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27451; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19885; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28098; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.180] (unverified [207.226.128.180]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:19:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 21:14:10 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Did they have a 'Molten Orange' S1 w/blue frame and wheels?Was it >as ugly in person as I thought it would be? Yes and yes. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 21:14:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27454; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19889; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28103; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.180] (unverified [207.226.128.180]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:19:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 21:14:12 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Michael P. Tolocka" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>BMW: An R1100 or R1200S is confirmed. Supposed to be introduced along >>with a K1200RT at the Intermot show next fall. > >R1100S? What niche does this bike fill? More sport oriented than the RS. Think Honda Superhawk. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 22:19:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00229; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20259; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29129; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13901; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:19:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13882; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:18:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802030318.WAA13882@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Lean Angles To: dwkaiser@XXXXXX (David & Michele DeJong Kaiser) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:18:43 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "David & Michele DeJong Kaiser" at Feb 2, 98 05:27:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Well I enjoyed it a lot. I was on a grocery run with my '95 Concours, and > remembered that y'all were doing this (I showed up on Saturday). Ran the > large circles for a while. Louis and I ended up chasing each other around. > I learned that he can push his Connie a little faster than I was willing to > push mine. Must be because I still had the bags on it. Yeah, that's it. I was also there doing the circles (large and small) for an hour before you showed up, so I had a lot of practice getting my speed up. Except for the COG ride in Fredricksburg, it's the first time I've seen another Connie on the street (or parking lot in this case) in a while. Another plus for getting the turning practice is on Sunday I went for a ride with a friend on a Ninja. While he still beat the pants off of me on the really cool road, I did manage to ride it a little harder than I would have last weekend. Have to add more air pressure to the rear shock next time! (Mr. Bill, you still on? Randy showed me that road by the Naval Ordanice center! Coolness!) > I could only stay for about 45 minutes but I enjoyed it. Managed to load a > gallon of milk, a 12pack of coke, a pack of diapers, and a bunch of bananas > into those bags on the way home. Hope you didn't open those cokes for a while... Yee-ha!!! Just figured out that I'm getting a nice refund from Uncle Sam!! Which should I get... GiVi bags... Russell saddle... Darien suit.... Choices choices! :-) Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 22:52:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01873; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20407; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29656; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-165.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.165]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id WAA05323; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:52:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202222051.00cfd4f8@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:20:51 -0500 To: Leon Begeman , "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: CB Radios Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34D645F1.39A705F1@illuminet.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Do either of you have any more info on the J&M stuff (phone, web)? I tried the chatterbox, and was thoroughly underwhelmed. At this point, I'd love to get just some speakers I could actually hear. Thanks in advance, MET At 05:17 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Leon Begeman wrote: >I use a Radio Shack hand-held CB with weather band. It's been on the bike >since June, and even in the rain it works well. It's part of the J&M Personal >Audio Pak. The things I don't like about it are: >1) the knobs and buttons are too small to work with heavy gloves on. >2) the light doesn't stay on long enough (when I can find the tiny button in >the dark) >3) Weatherband has a very small coverage area - but I don't think that's a >problem with the radio > >Costs for the system are as follows: >Radio about $130 >J&M Audio Pak $129.95 >Helmet speaker system $109.95 - $189.95 (for J&M systems) >No-ground plane CB antenna $39.95 at Radio Shack. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 23:14:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02916; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20604; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29958; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA07813; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:11:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202231537.006a157c@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 3 Feb 1998 04:14:19 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:15:37 -0500 To: "Mark E. Truelove" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Bass Monsters, was Re: CB Radios Cc: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980202222051.00cfd4f8@postoffice.bellatlantic.n et> References: <34D645F1.39A705F1@illuminet.net> <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:20 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Mark E. Truelove wrote: >Do either of you have any more info on the J&M stuff (phone, web)? I tried >the chatterbox, and was thoroughly underwhelmed. At this point, I'd love >to get just some speakers I could actually hear. Mark, The two best are Autocom (http://www.autocom.co.uk/) and J&M (http://www.jmcorp.com). I wound up with the Autocom Eurocom, for reasons I'd be happy to write you about. Either one will work well, though they will both set you back plenty. Still, having used mine, it's clear they are worth it. However, if you ONLY WANT TO LISTEN TO MUSIC (i.e., no intercom, no bike to bike, etc.), consider getting a pair of Bass Monsters. They are advertised in most moto mags for, I think, under $50. They are basically walkman speakers you stuff in your helmet. Just a thought. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 23:36:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03950; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20731; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00287; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.109] (unverified [207.226.128.109]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:41:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: My "new" bike Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 23:35:53 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Amy Rottier" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Even thought it's a little outre', and quite differently-styled, I >actually like it alot (it'll take some getting used to sitting next to >my friends' bikes...). It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. It's >pearl white and grey. It only has 9700 miles, and I weaseled two >helmets with it; and I think I got a great price. I really wanted an ST >or Concours or BMW (R or K1100RT), or even the Triumph (but I'd rather >have shaft). But this bike is great, too. It moves right out, is >smooth, and I think I can last more than an hour at once on it. Once I >decide I'm allowed to like it for itself, I know I will be very happy >with it. Weird. My father has a female patient who was just talking about getting a PC800. Coincidence, or conspiracy? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 23:36:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03955; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20736; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00294; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.109] (unverified [207.226.128.109]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:41:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Newbie Drops Bike... Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 23:35:56 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >As some of you know, I'd been pretty proud that it took me 5 months to >finally drop my bike the first time (of course, though it HAD to be in >front of someone!!) I dropped mine the first day (well, second day, but first time I was gonna ride it). Pulling out of the garage into the wash of pea gravel that we refer to as a driveway. Dropped it the second time picking it up from the first drop (should I ever drop a bike again, I will NOT forget to put the side stand down before picking it up:) Dropped the BMW once. In the garage where I was about to get the bike inspected. After that, I decided the order is this: 1) turn off bike 2) put down sidestand 3) get off bike 4) put on mainstand 5) put up sidestand Do not skip step 2. I did it once or twice successfully, but the third time was the charm:) Lucky I had case guards. (Have 'em on the Kawasaki also, but got them a bit too late:( -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 23:36:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03961; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20746; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00300; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.109] (unverified [207.226.128.109]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:41:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: My "new" bike Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 23:36:02 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Peter Johansson" , "Amy Rottier" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >My GF lusts after the R850/1100, but I think the PC800 >is much more in line with her budget. Sounds like a smart woman:) Did you know you can get an R850RT in many parts of Europe? I'm jealous. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 23:41:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04204; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20815; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from visuallink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00417; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from visuallink.com (ppp94.visuallink.com [206.151.68.74]) by visuallink.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA08502; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:40:15 -0500 Message-ID: <34D6BDE4.BBDE8950@visuallink.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:49:09 -0800 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ST1100 List CC: VFR List , Nighthawk List , Honda Sport Touring Association , DC-Cycles List , Concours Owners Group Subject: [Fwd: WHY I RIDE or FIND YOUR ROAD] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A7AF1809DEC81CF3D17266E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A7AF1809DEC81CF3D17266E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all, After reading this, through moist eyes . . . a quiet "yeah." Enjoy. -- Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) mailto:ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (RIP) AMA # 487634 International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 29 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html ICQ at http://wwp.mirabilis.com/3136585 --------------A7AF1809DEC81CF3D17266E0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: robbeach@XXXXXX Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by visuallink.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA22708 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:57:09 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA18780; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:09:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802022209.RAA18780@buffnet4.buffnet.net> Received: from buffnet9.buffnet.net(205.246.19.19) by buffnet4.buffnet.net via smap (V2.0) id xma018767; Mon, 2 Feb 98 17:08:53 -0500 Received: from dppp68.buffnet.net(205.246.19.247) by buffnet9.buffnet.net via smap (V2.0) id xmad02637; Mon, 2 Feb 98 17:07:16 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Rob Beach To: "An Update from Beach's MCA" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:10:16 +5 X-Distribution: Bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: WHY I RIDE or FIND YOUR ROAD Reply-to: bma@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) This was sent to me by John Hoge, one of our European tour members. I like it, and pass it on to you for reflection. ================================== WHY I RIDE or FIND YOUR ROAD It all began simply. Early one morning, in the office hallway, one of my co- workers, coffee mug in hand, rather curiously asked me why I ride motorcycles. Somehow I thought I could produce the answer immediately; because it is amongst the most delightful experiences of my life; I ought to be able to explain it to anybody- but I stalled. It sounded too much like having been asked why do you live, or why do you love? The answer is too fundamentally obvious and instinctively human to necessitate explanation. Riding motorcycles over the years has been such a passion for me, some say bordering on obsession, yet I had never seen a reason to sit down and put my thoughts and feelings into words. Now I suddenly feel I have so much to say. But I found myself balking. Maybe what is so great a feeling, is not so easy to describe. Instead I found myself wanting to say something concise like, "Well its obvious, like, no duh!" An explanation may start somewhere like - It's about living and loving. It's about love, life, nature, mankind, and their' interplay; that which creates the yearning for spiritual satisfaction in all of us. We almost all start as passengers, and sometimes it happens instantly. You fall in love with the freedom of movement, the feel of the road, the force of the wind, the smells- your total physical and spiritual oneness with nature. Some don't make the connection immediately often because of the inherent associated dangers, and abandon further riding temporarily or permanently. For those of us who return, those who are searching for that certain feeling, the one that drives to want to re-experience that sensation again and again; there are wonderful roads that lie ahead. Anyone who has witnessed Hollywood portray bikers in films like "The Wild One" or any other macho representation of "Bikers" and their ways, automatically assumes that biking is exclusively about looking tough and being threatening, guzzling neat Tequila, and riding fast, real fast. That stereotype defines a minority, and it has more to do with vanity, than riding. Posers are everywhere; they'll spend more time off their bikes in bars, malls, and parking lots, than riding their machines. In my experience most riders have another perspective that is seldom represented. It has become very clear to me that serious motorcycle enthusiasts are individuals who are not run of the mill. They are nonconformists, they tend to have strong dreams and aspirations, and are emotional, fervent folk. While some of these qualities are somewhat abreast with the Biker stereotype, they fall short in one significant way; many bikers are also sensitive, passionate people. They are individuals not because they are motorcyclists, but they are motorcyclists who are individuals. Maybe identifying some of these qualities to casual observers is difficult because of the hindering facade of protective hardware; but closer examination will inevitably reveal their love for life. Motorcyclists are drawn to their pastime by their sense of adventure, their love of life and their respect for the world and its contents. This facade, however, has created a negative image of motorcyclists as insensitive, leather clad tyrants which is unfortunate. Riders frequently encounter other riders on desolate roads, in gas stations, in far away towns, states and countries, and always seem to find an immediate common bond. I believe that it is our search for inner peace, and our zeal to explore the outer and inner worlds to find meaning to life (and not our bikes, leather, or Kevlar) that unites us. The equipment and apparel are only the means of transportation and transformation irrespective of our age, color, and socio-economics, etc. That "common bond" transcends our means of arrival at that time and location. The group I often ride with is composed of Orientals, African-americans, Iranians, Latinos, Brazilians, and Ohioans! These are the true "United Colors", not of Benetton, but those of Kawasaki, Ducati, Honda, BMW, Harley-Davidson... Some time ago, I took a new acquaintance who had experienced an interest in riding as my passenger for a group ride with four other riders. The ride included several days of fast and hard scenic riding, carving through Maryland's finest "twisties". In an attempt to get to know me better she asked me what I did for spiritual satisfaction. We were so engulfed in the answer, I thought she was joking. We were alone, in the middle of a national forest on a cool morning with leaves in full peak of their fiery transformation, colors so rich they would astound you with sheer brilliance. There were waterfalls around us, and asphalt was being churned below; continuous quick lefts, hard right turns. Sunlight over the horizon line was glaring in my eyes as I rode the crests in rapid succession. We were moving, and beginning to dissociate with the present. The only reminder of the perceived reality was the hum of mufflers, and taste of the next bike's exhaust dissolving on my lips; hinting the pseudo-reality of the present. In my haste I assumed we had spontaneously connected on a deep, personal level, and this manner of questioning was her humorous display of "Eureka, I see what it's all about now!" Alas my joy was short lived. Upon further inquiry it became apparent that I was seriously mistaken, all she wanted to know was if I did anything more mature! The point is that some people just don't and won't get it. To many, motorcycling is just a hobby, a short term satisfaction at best. These "Fair Weather" motorcylists accumulate 1-2000 miles per year on their equipment on occasional sunny afternoons, and think little else can be obtained from that mass of metal, plastic, and rubber. Others may have never wanted to ride, or may have even tried riding once; didn't enjoy it, and could all do without the rest of us who do. These people are usually only impressed by the object and it's form, physical properties and attributes. What they fail to appreciate is the experience of getting in touch with their own inner self, where within they may find lurking some remnants of their humanity. As one gains more experience in riding, functions such as shifting gears, looking at instruments, studying the curve of the next turn, flicking into "twisties", countersteering, weight shifting, other traffic, and the road surface begin to resemble your bodies' autonomic nervous system. This is the system that automatically controls your metabolism and homeostasis without your direct awareness, such as your heart rate, or your digestive system. This leaves you a lot of time to become engulfed in nature and absorb all that is around you. While joy rides and quick trips around town, or to the beach serve the transportation functions rather well (let's face it is a vehicle after all), they are altogether different from the spiritual association. The transformation from joy rider to transcendental biker, however, only happens when you go out for several days, on lonely scenic roads; certainly off the Interstate highway system. Spending time just riding, no conversation; hours on end spent riding, absorbing and reflecting, man, machine and nature simultaneously. Comparison with a car is completely irrelevant. In a car your field of vision is limited, the car's four wheels and suspension remove any feedback from the texture and feel of the road. The driver and the other occupants are completely oblivious to subtle changes in humidity, temperature, and odors. In short, there are substantial barriers preventing both the physical and spiritual connection, and the car never becomes an extension of your body and soul. Subsequently, in riders jargon motorcars are referred to as "the Cage". Distancing yourself from mundane function, laborious tasks and effort are the key ingredients for disassociation. You need to become automatic in your functions, when you need less time to think, relate and synthesize, you make a small step towards this symbolic liberation. Additionally, when at all possible, it is almost critical to remove stimulus by other people or signs of civilization from your range of vision, unless you are with a pack of riders that you are comfortable and familiar with. With practice and time spent on long trips, preferably alone, or during long periods of riding in remote areas, you begin to develop the ability to disassociate more and more. I know this will get me in trouble, and it may sound strange and unsafe, but during certain conditions, by not concentrating you can become a better rider. The physical laws that govern turning a two wheeled vehicle and (the resultant opposite reaction of) countersteering, require you to change numerous variables by shifting your posture and your weight, in order to make the dynamic balances equate. Yet all these movements become automatic with experience. You are left with a lot of time to absorb again. So seek natural beauty and serenity in your surroundings, find exotic roads and landscapes and lose yourself in them, only to find oneness with the air, the wind and nature in its entirety. These observations have led several people that I know who are also pilots, to compare a lot of the physical and spiritual sensations associated with riding to the ultimate freedom of motion- that of flight. These subjects as they relate to flying have been beautifully explored by Richard Bach in several of his books including, Jonathan Livingston Seagull, and Illusions. For me Sport-touring is what brings out the magic. It is how the mind experiences the physical laws of Newtonian motion, which become transcribed at a spiritual level. The physics of the movement can be scientifically demonstrated by various equations involving mass, gravity, acceleration, and numerous other forces and their opposing reactions. Human emotions however can transform them to a purely transcendental experience- a quantum leap, beyond Newtonian Physics as it were. For me this usually begins to happen on the second or third day of a tour, usually on a beautiful desolate forested road, around a corner with little or no signs of mankind around, it could be anywhere; Tahoe and Big Sur, CA; Taos and Santa Fe, NM; most of West Virginia; and Asheville, NC, to name a few. My sleeping bag and tent bungeed tightly behind the small of my back, riding along endless new roads, saturated in deja-vu, I shift gears to find the lower edge of that power source on tap and lean hard on the sport bike as I begin to flick man, machine and equipment into a "twistie". My usual powerband-induced adrenaline rush and exhilaration turn comfortable, a familiar euphoric warmth. I begin to feel inner peace with such intensity I begin to smile, it is a little like being in love. Moments like these, and there are plenty, humble me and behoove me to be awe struck by the power of life. These moments altogether abate my day-to-day concerns and anxieties, they become dwarfed in the passion, and the exhilaration of joy. You become a little cleaner, younger, and brighter. I can't help but be reminded by a strong force of man's potential, his capacity for loving and living and how little of it we use in our daily lives. How I yearn to metaphorically bottle these sensations to take home, to share with others and to rehabilitate myself when I forget. I have learned that I can't. I can only remember that it feels rather wonderful. One thing is for sure, mankind can recall pain more easily than joy, so I ride often and I ride far and I always feel good afterwards- sometimes for days. The need to experience this exhilaration of life will never cease. If it is addictive, I prescribe a solid dose to all those around, knowing full well the addiction, the craving, and the cure. One and the same, the remedy can always be found around the next corner. Most critical decisions of my life, those that have required deep reflection, have been made on motorcycles on desolate roads. The time necessary to reflect, ponder, dream and mentally experiment are so abundant when I ride that to me there is never a better place to think than the time I spend out there on the road. When I get to work in the morning; after one of my frequent jaunts, my co- workers usually ask me what I did. I tell them, " I just rode and it was wonderful". Habitually my run will be acknowledged and then someone will begin the discussion about the latest sports results, and the focus shifts away. My emotions about motorcycling are at times difficult to express to non-riders, especially over their first cup of Java- but I really wish I knew how. by: Farrokh Jahandari =========================================== Rob Beach Beach's Motorcycle Adventures, Ltd. 2763 West River Parkway Grand Island, NY 14072-2053 Tele: 716-773-4960 Fax: 716-773-5227 e-mail: bma@XXXXXX WWW: http://bma.buffnet.net --------------A7AF1809DEC81CF3D17266E0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 23:48:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04611; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20873; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00544; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.129] (unverified [207.226.128.129]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:53:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lean Angles Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 23:47:46 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: "DC-Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Yee-ha!!! Just figured out that I'm getting a nice refund from Uncle Sam!! >Which should I get... GiVi bags... Russell saddle... Darien suit.... >Choices choices! :-) Was just making the same choice myself. Think I'll go for the BMW System Panniers. Or a Shoei Duo-tec helmet. Or, if the state return is big enough (don't have a copy of the tables for Md. Anybody know if they are online?) I might have to think more seriously about the Darien 2-piece. -George ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 02:41:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA13051; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22383; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02900; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA21290; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:35:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:30:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34D5B9EC.D3023209@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > Battley's has one of the molten orange color or whatever it's called (or > at least I'm guessing that orange monstrosity was one of em). It was > "different". That's about all that can be said for it. Wot's up with them and fugly bikes?They have also had a (whatever) green T509,a mint green K100,a piss yellow K75,and a black Bimota Tesi(it wasn't a proper gloss black,can't describe it). Or are they an outlet dealer? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 02:47:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA13295; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22426; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02943; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA21322; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:42:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:35:39 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: My "new" bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, George Howell wrote: > Weird. My father has a female patient who was just talking about getting > a PC800. Coincidence, or conspiracy? Hmmm...Moto Online just did an article on the PC.And they recently had a female journalist. Maybe something in the design is attracting females.We should look into this. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 08:19:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19140; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25630; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06211; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA22748 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD307C.5185C0C0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:18:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Michael P. Tolocka'" , "'DC Cycles'" , "'George Howell'" Subject: RE: Cleveland CW Bike Show Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:18:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, February 02, 1998 9:14 PM >To: Michael P. Tolocka; DC Cycles >Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show > >>>BMW: An R1100 or R1200S is confirmed. Supposed to be introduced along >>>with a K1200RT at the Intermot show next fall. >> >>R1100S? What niche does this bike fill? > >More sport oriented than the RS. Think Honda Superhawk. > I think your BMW assimilation is now complete. :-) Don't think new Superhawk ... think GPZ1100 or FJ1200 in terms of ergonomics. Granted the RS _is_ a twin, but that's about all it has in common with the superhawk. Don't expect the handling or performance that the superhawk gives. FWIW, I like the new RS and am actually considering one, but ... let's be realistic here ... Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 08:48:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19525; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25953; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06781; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA15699; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA30867; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980203134711.QULZ452@XXXXXX>; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:47:11 -0600 Message-ID: <34D71FDF.6E65010F@mci.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:47:11 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Michael Tolocka , Amy Rottier , balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bikes and Luggage References: <34D64F2B.2AD5FE5B@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > I agree, nice bike. The PC has always been on my wish list of bikes to get if > money is a minor concern, rather than the over-riding factor. > > If that trunk ever gets too small, I can show you how to improve on your > luggage capacity. My Ninja carries a 24 gallon luggage box. > > Leon. > What Leon means to say is that his 24 gallon luggage box comescomplete with a Ninja to wheel it around on! = 8 - ) Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 09:02:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19747; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26151; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07114; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A31C20900BA; Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:01:00 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980203080730.00957540@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:07:30 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: CB Radios In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980202222051.00cfd4f8@postoffice.bellatlantic.n et> References: <34D645F1.39A705F1@illuminet.net> <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:20 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Mark E. Truelove wrote: > >Do either of you have any more info on the J&M stuff (phone, web)? I tried >the chatterbox, and was thoroughly underwhelmed. At this point, I'd love >to get just some speakers I could actually hear. J&M http://www.az.org/jmaudio/home.htm Sierra (sells J&M) http://www.inb.net/sierra/ also, FYI: Autocom http://www.autocom.co.uk/ Cyclecom http://www.cyclecomm.com/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 09:02:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19753; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26156; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07118; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A32320900BA; Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:01:07 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980203081002.00925d30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:10:02 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Newbie Drops Bike... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:35 PM 2/2/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: >1) turn off bike >2) put down sidestand >3) get off bike >4) put on mainstand >5) put up sidestand > >Do not skip step 2. Agreed. That works best for me. Especially if there's people around, like at a gas station. The only exception for me is when I park it at home. When I stop on the sidewalk and dismount, the sidewalk is too narrow to allow me to put the sidestand down. So far, so good. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 09:02:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19754; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26157; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07120; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A32620900BA; Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:01:10 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980203081400.009559e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:14:00 -0500 To: "DC-Cycles List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Lean Angles In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:47 PM 2/2/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: >Or, if the state return is big enough (don't have a copy of the tables >for Md. Anybody know if they are online?) I might have to think more >seriously about the Darien 2-piece. http://www.comp.state.md.us/main.htm seems to be the main Maryland tax page. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 09:02:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19762; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26166; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07126; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A32A20900BA; Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:01:14 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980203082117.00955370@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:21:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: My "new" bike In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:35 AM 2/3/98 +45722824, Gil M. Nissley wrote: >On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, George Howell wrote: >> Weird. My father has a female patient who was just talking about getting >> a PC800. Coincidence, or conspiracy? > > Hmmm...Moto Online just did an article on the PC.And they recently >had a female journalist. > > Maybe something in the design is attracting females.We should look >into this. I bet it's partly due to it's incredible practicality. Comfortable, large trunk, fine engine, good weather protection. It's a virtually maintenance-free bike: it's got shaft drive, and hydraulic valves. That's right, when the rest of us are replacing shims or pulling the freaking camshaft out just to adjust valves, the PC800 folks are out riding. You'd almost think this bike was designed to be practical tranportation! Rather be ridin' it than workin' on it, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 09:03:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19778; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26187; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07152; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA26759; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:03:57 -0500 Message-ID: <34D72384.2CD63C9@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:02:45 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mark E. Truelove" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CB Radios References: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> <3.0.1.32.19980202222051.00cfd4f8@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.jmcorp.com/ If it's just speakers you need, the Bass Monsters by Collette Electronics are a lot cheaper and sound just a little better than either of the J&M sets I've used. I've heard their communicators work well. http://www.collett.mb.ca Leon. Mark E. Truelove wrote: > Do either of you have any more info on the J&M stuff (phone, web)? I tried > the chatterbox, and was thoroughly underwhelmed. At this point, I'd love > to get just some speakers I could actually hear. > > Thanks in advance, > > MET > > At 05:17 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Leon Begeman wrote: > >I use a Radio Shack hand-held CB with weather band. It's been on the bike > >since June, and even in the rain it works well. It's part of the J&M > Personal > >Audio Pak. The things I don't like about it are: > >1) the knobs and buttons are too small to work with heavy gloves on. > >2) the light doesn't stay on long enough (when I can find the tiny button in > >the dark) > >3) Weatherband has a very small coverage area - but I don't think that's a > >problem with the radio > > > >Costs for the system are as follows: > >Radio about $130 > >J&M Audio Pak $129.95 > >Helmet speaker system $109.95 - $189.95 (for J&M systems) > >No-ground plane CB antenna $39.95 at Radio Shack. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ > Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs > ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 09:14:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19920; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26430; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07419; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:13:52 -0500 (EST) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Tue Feb 3 09:07 EST 1998 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA27763 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com) by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA16029 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:14:16 -0500 Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3083.EF946210@XXXXXX>; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:13:05 -0500 Message-Id: To: , Subject: Bye Bye Interceptor 500? Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:13:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, I caught the last of the post in digest mode that the crankcase of your 500 had split? How did this happen and more importantly when? (I have this picture of you running down the road and all of a sudden oil pouring out the bottom) Do you think it just fatigued with age? John Carver Bandit 600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 09:29:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20117; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26661; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07798; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA19814; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:28:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA24929; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:28:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980203142823.CYAI495@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:28:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:19 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: "Mark E. Truelove" , Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bass Monsters, was Re: CB Radios X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980203142823.CYAI495@[166.41.242.141]> >At 10:20 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Mark E. Truelove wrote: >>Do either of you have any more info on the J&M stuff (phone, web)? I tried Harry Greenspun replied: > However, if you ONLY WANT TO LISTEN TO MUSIC (i.e., no intercom, no bike >to bike, etc.), consider getting a pair of Bass Monsters. They are >advertised in most moto mags for, I think, under $50. They are basically >walkman speakers you stuff in your helmet. I have the Bass Monsters and like 'em just fine. Paid $30 for mine about 6 years ago. This quote from an audio engineer on the STOC list: "BTW Radio Shack is having a 1/2 price sale on their Titanium element Pro-25 headphones. $19.95 (usually $39.95) or buy two pair and get a free Y cord. These puppies are among the best I've ever heard and play loud as you can stand in a helmet ot out. Go by your local "Shack" and try'em. This is a sure thing for you non-J&M/CycleCom riders like me. BTW - My opinion regarding the audio quality of these headphones is backed up by 20 years as a recording engineer and studio designer (Lotsa top ten records and one Grammy) here in Music City USA." The sale comes and goes, but even at $40 for better quality headset, you can't go wrong. Also there is an inline device called a "Boosteroo", that absolutely drives some serious sound into your speakers. The manufacturer is named Bowman and you can order at 800-345-2966 at $14.95 plus UPS shipping and COD. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 09:29:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20130; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26695; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07823; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA13740; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:28:16 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB64A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Testing, Testing... Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:25:56 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Has this list been unusually quiet or is my outside e-mail not working? I didn't get any DC Cycles mail yesterday. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 11:17:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22233; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29440; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11157; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA02208; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:15:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802031615.KAA02208@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Received: from slip166-72-74-7.dc.us.ibm.net(166.72.74.7) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002142; Tue Feb 3 10:14:47 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: Amy Rottier , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:14:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: My "new" bike Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34D63F47.82F@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > And did you know the thing has a car-like trunk release lever, and > an hydraulic lifter for the trunk lid? Blew my little mind away. > Now all I need is my plug-in massager for the seat, a little > cup-holder, radio and CB, and I'll be touring with the Big Wings... > ;P > > Amy Well . .. don't forget the cruise control, the tape deck, the on-board air compressor, the reverse gear, the . . . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 12:17:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23524; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04320; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13230; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:16:46 -0500 (EST) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Tue Feb 3 11:13 CST 1998 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA13520 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:04:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com) by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA04222 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:17:30 -0500 Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD309D.85CDD5E0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:16:14 -0500 Message-Id: To: Subject: Helmet Law Legis. Info. Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:16:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would someone re-send the post about the helmet law in VA? I mistakenly deleted it and want to utilize the phone # to voice my opinion. Thanks. John Carver Bandit 600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 12:41:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23901; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05324; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13974; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:41:29 -0500 (EST) From: Vamoto@XXXXXX Received: from Vamoto@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id 1SSWa01210 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:31:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <646d6e5d.34d75489@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:31:50 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: VFRers? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Hi, I am new to the list. Any VFRers out there? I am considering buying a 91 w/ 19,000 miles. Any advice on problems to look for? Fair Price? Like the bike? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 13:02:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24316; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06077; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14558; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:02:09 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: from RDWOODJR@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id WBOa003666; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:00:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <941479c.34d75b30@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:00:14 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 61 << Polaris: Nice bike. Too bad it's another damned cruiser, and the prices are already being pushed beyond MSRP. Wonder how it'll hold up. And has any Polaris tech ever worked on a 4-stroke?>> George, my Polaris 425 Magnum atv is a 4 valve, liquid cooled four stroke. But I would be concerned about buying a first year motorcycle from Polaris. All except for one vender. This guy named Fred was selling subscriptions to MCN. I finally got to see a few issues of the magazine. And the price was $29 for two years. As $29 was what they wanted for one year according to the web site, I figured what the heck. Got an extra issue for subscribing at the show. Took me longer to read those 40 pages than it normally does to read the 100+ of the other rags. BTW, after looking at the masthead, it seems that Fred was actually Fred Rau. Cool deal. Great mag. Hope all of the issues are as good as the ones I saw on the table. (BTW, can anybody copy the articles on ergonomics? I only got to skim them, and would like to take a longer look at them. TIA) >> I've got 2/94 to current MCN mags if you want to peruse them. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 13:04:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24393; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06150; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14681; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA00674 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:03:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA18419 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:03:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.60]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980203180344.RZSW452@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:03:44 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:02:54 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD30A4.0AAB2500.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Va Legislation Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:02:52 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here it is. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze >From: Bill Schmidt[SMTP:billsch@XXXXXX] >Reply To: billsch@XXXXXX >Sent: Monday, February 02, 1998 12:09 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Va Legislation > >From another list: > >. . . for the folks in Virginia, there are two pieces of >legislation before the General Assembly which need the input >of motorcyclists. > >The first will remove tolls on motorcycle trailers and side >cars from any state controlled highways. Currently bikes >with a third axle (i.e., those pulling trailers and bikes >with sidecars) are charged the same toll as 18 wheelers. >(Can you believe it.) Anyway, House Bill 708 will remove >these tolls. This bill is a no-brainer (as are many that >need to be revised or enacted) and should receive all >motorcyclists support. > >The other bill is a little more controversial, and I am not >going to get into the pros and cons of helmet usage here. >It will make the use of helmets optional for all riders over >the age of 21. In other words freedom of choice. Now, as I >said, my intent here is NOT to debate this issue -- it is to >inform. There is not a bill number for the helmet amendment >as yet. > >What I am asking is that all Virginia motorcyclists call in >and register your opinions on these bills to your >representatives. You can call 698-1990 (local Richmond) or >1-800-889-0229 from 7am to 7pm weekdays. They will take >your name and address, and then ask you what you are calling >in reference to and then your opinion. They will then >forward your response to the appropriate representatives. > >I was told by the hot-line people when I called that the >Helmet amendment is the number one issue that callers are >voicing an opinion on. ALL Virginia motorcyclists need to >have a voice in this issue. I don't care which side of the >issue you are on, this is your opportunity to speak out. We >don't want non motorcyclists or a just small group >determining our future. There are 64,000 registered >motorcycles and over 200,000 licensed motorcyclists in >Virginia. SO JUST DO IT. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 13:18:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24688; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06481; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15171; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AEF561013E; Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:16:21 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980203131807.009f6a30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:18:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Sportster 33.6 external modems for sale Cc: pnorloff@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, all. My brother, Pete, has a few US Robotics Sportster 33.6 external modems for sale (he's upgraded his Internet Services to 56 Kbps). He used these modems, so you know these puppies work, and work well. The Sportsters have proven to have the reliability and the performance to give you a solid 33.6 Kbps connection. Excellent condition. With power supply, and original packaging, documentation and software. $70 + shipping Credit cards (Visa, MC, Amex, DISC) accepted if shipping to the credit card billing address. Contact Pete Norloff at pnorloff@XXXXXX thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 15:00:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27262; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10880; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19250; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id OAA25845 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:58:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D777B4.78CA80D0@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:01:56 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Wanted: One Hawk lots of pepper not fried Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for a Honda Hawk to turn into a track/twisties bike. The more done to it already the better. Low miles, good shape, not dropped, grandama owned would be perfered but I'll look at anything. If any of you know of some one selling one please let me know. For those of you who know what something about Hawks what do you think of this? 1989 Honda HawkGT. 3,900 gentle miles, most commuting. Targa fairing, Corbin seat. Everything else stock. $3,000 firm I also have a 92 VFR750 for sale or trade. Thanks, Jay Goddard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 16:43:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29863; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18271; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23206; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mark-amy ([198.118.125.93]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 337; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:42:00 -0500 Message-ID: <34D78F21.3B72@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:41:53 -0500 From: "Rottier.Amy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: billsch@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My "new" bike - easy transition to legality! References: <199802031615.KAA02208@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Schmidt wrote: > > > And did you know the thing has a car-like trunk release lever, and > > an hydraulic lifter for the trunk lid? Blew my little mind away. > > Now all I need is my plug-in massager for the seat, a little > > cup-holder, radio and CB, and I'll be touring with the Big Wings... > > ;P > > > > Amy > > Well . .. don't forget the cruise control, the tape deck, the > on-board air compressor, the reverse gear, the . . . Yes, yes, I know!! ;) I guess I'm not the "hard-core" biker I thought I was. Sigh. All the comforts of home on two wheels. BTW!!!! I took my bike first thing to a shop that did moto inspections. I had called yesterday to clear the way. Well, apparently, it's "too chilly" for the mechanic at this one station (Shell in Market Place in Bowie, MD). So, we drove the car around trying to spot the elusive "M" on the inspection signs - and lo and behold, another! So I tried to start the bike - whoops. No more battery. Well, it *was* almost 10 years old... Anyway, I had bought a battery just because. So my husband ran home to get it, and I walked it to the next station. Luckily, a nice fellow stopped and offered to help push start it. I hadn't been successful before my DH ran off, but this time it worked. So I rode it the rest of the way to the Mobil at the corner of Rte 450 and Stonybrook Dr. in Bowie. We started pulling off the body work and the mechanic, Joe Bearns, came out and was the nicest thing since bunny rabbits. He just wanted to see the lights, and hear it run. Well, the lights worked, but it wouldn't turn over. So we finished installing the new battery (Body Panel Removal and Resultant Bolt Mixup 101), and showed him it started. It was fortunate I had gotten it running on the push-start; the panels were warm enough to not be brittle. So, we congratulate ourselves on a job well done, and I rush off to the MVA (DMV, to you VA folk ;). Less than an hour later, I am the proud LEGAL owner of a TAGGED 1989 Honda Pacific Coast! And I tell you, there was much rejoicing (yeah). So, I'm ready! Just in time for the wicked weather. Yippee. Amy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 16:47:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29932; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18293; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23330; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mark-amy ([198.118.125.93]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 298; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:47:10 -0500 Message-ID: <34D79058.1697@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:47:04 -0500 From: "Rottier.Amy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My "new" bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > Weird. My father has a female patient who was just talking about getting > a PC800. Coincidence, or conspiracy? > Knowing what I know, George, I think it's better if I don't tell you. The truth will bear out soon enough... Amy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 20:04:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03463; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20424; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28587; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:09:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Cleveland CW Bike Show Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 20:03:37 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'Michael P. Tolocka'" , "\"'DC Cycles'\" " Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Don't think new Superhawk ... think GPZ1100 or FJ1200 in terms of >ergonomics. Granted the RS _is_ a twin, but that's about all it has in >common with the superhawk. Don't expect the handling or performance >that the superhawk gives. > >FWIW, I like the new RS and am actually considering one, but ... let's >be realistic here ... I'm talking the new S, not the RS. Still, you are probably right, given BMWs of the past:) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 20:14:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03643; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20498; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28846; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-74-174.s47.as7.man.erols.com [207.172.74.174]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17693 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:14:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802040114.UAA17693@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: D&D Slip on For Sale Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:09:47 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am selling an almost new D&D slip on for a 96 F3. Price is $150.00. Reason for sale: I am installing a Micron full system w/ K&N, ignition advancer and jet kit!!! I am also installing an AFAM chain and sprocket kit (45 tooth rear)!! Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 20:28:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03785; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20607; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29089; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA19490; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:27:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv1-04.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.36) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017397; Tue Feb 3 19:14:27 1998 Message-ID: <34D7E791.4E70@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:59:13 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, George Howell Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > > Did they have a 'Molten Orange' S1 w/blue frame and wheels?Was it > >as ugly in person as I thought it would be? > > Yes and yes. > > -George Just to keep things interesting, this old fogey loves that Molten orange bodywork on the Nuclear Blue Frame. just wish they offered that color combo on the M-2. ;) -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 20:28:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03793; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20615; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29095; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:28:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-219.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.219]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id UAA19812; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:28:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980203202355.00cad3a4@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:23:55 -0500 To: Vamoto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: VFRers? In-Reply-To: <646d6e5d.34d75489@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Mark, I have a '92, and love it. Modified it a bit, mostly cosmetic, with some examples on my web page, below. I'm not a high-mileage rider, but I've really had no problems with the bike so far. Plus, the V4 is nearly bulletproof, can live for very many miles, and hardly ever needs a valve adjustment (for a motorcycle). Not that I'm biased, or anything. :) MET At 12:31 PM 2/3/98 EST, Vamoto@XXXXXX wrote: >Hi, I am new to the list. Any VFRers out there? I am considering buying a 91 >w/ 19,000 miles. Any advice on problems to look for? Fair Price? Like the >bike? > >Thanks > >Mark > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 20:39:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03900; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20700; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29338; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-219.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.219]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id UAA22330 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:39:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980203202912.00cc38e0@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:29:12 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Wanted: One Hawk lots of pepper not fried In-Reply-To: <34D777B4.78CA80D0@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Aaaack! Say it ain't so!!!! :) MET At 03:01 PM 2/3/98 -0500, jay goddard wrote: > > I also have a 92 VFR750 for sale or trade. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 21:16:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04520; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20905; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29969; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA26285; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:15:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv1-04.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.36) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020190; Tue Feb 3 19:36:55 1998 Message-ID: <34D7ECD6.5915@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:21:42 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jay goddard Subject: Re: Wanted: One Hawk lots of pepper not fried References: <34D777B4.78CA80D0@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jay goddard wrote: > 1989 Honda HawkGT. 3,900 gentle miles, most commuting. Targa fairing, > Corbin seat. Everything else stock. $3,000 firm > > I also have a 92 VFR750 for sale or trade. > > Thanks, > Jay Goddard MCN's Retail price guide lista a 89 NT650Hawk GT at $2845.00, Figuring the low mileage, and if the guy kept the original seat , thats probably not a bad deal at all. Wish I had $3000.00 lying around for it myself. That old, youll probably want to replace the tires anyway, theyve probably dry rotted, and a new battery, oil change and you should be set with a bike like new. -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 00:03:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07925; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22083; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04953; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.138] (unverified [207.226.128.138]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 04 Feb 1998 00:08:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: VFRers? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 00:02:22 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Hi, I am new to the list. Any VFRers out there? One less than a few days ago. >I am considering buying >a 91 >w/ 19,000 miles. Any advice on problems to look for? Fair Price? Like the >bike? Make sure the block is intact. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 00:40:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08853; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22947; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05662; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:40:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.105] (unverified [207.226.128.105]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 04 Feb 1998 00:45:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 00:39:25 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Just to keep things interesting, this old fogey loves that Molten orange >bodywork on the Nuclear Blue Frame. just wish they offered that color >combo on the M-2. ;) I also prefer the M2 to the S series Buell's. But I'd like to see it with a polished aluminum frame and gunmetal paint. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 03:35:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA11098; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA23820; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08730; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA11234; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:30:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:27:06 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: VFRers? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, George Howell wrote: > >Hi, I am new to the list. Any VFRers out there? > One less than a few days ago. That was a VF.VFR's have cam gear drive,one lobe per valve,a 180deg crank,and digital ignition. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 03:37:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA11110; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA23848; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08794; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomzell (Pool-207-205-219-221.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.221]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA15565 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:37:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980204033544.006d6cfc@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 03:35:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: VFRers? In-Reply-To: <646d6e5d.34d75489@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark, Best bike on the planet! Named best 750 GT class bike for the past 7 years. I have an '86 and I love it. I would never replace it. These things last forever and you can't beat the smoothness of the V4 motor. I would get it, definitely.... Tom Zell '86 VFR700/750F zellto@XXXXXX At 12:31 PM 2/3/98 EST, you wrote: >Hi, I am new to the list. Any VFRers out there? I am considering buying a 91 >w/ 19,000 miles. Any advice on problems to look for? Fair Price? Like the >bike? > >Thanks > >Mark > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 08:19:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13469; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25750; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12205; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:18:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA21303 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3145.8CB616D0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:19:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Thomas W. Zell'" Subject: RE: VFRers? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:18:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One question ... who else makes a 750 GT class bike? Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Thomas W. Zell[SMTP:zellto@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 3:35 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: VFRers? > >Mark, > >Best bike on the planet! Named best 750 GT class bike for the past 7 >years. I have an '86 and I love it. I would never replace it. These >things last forever and you can't beat the smoothness of the V4 motor. I >would get it, definitely.... > >Tom Zell >'86 VFR700/750F >zellto@XXXXXX > >At 12:31 PM 2/3/98 EST, you wrote: >>Hi, I am new to the list. Any VFRers out there? I am considering buying >a 91 >>w/ 19,000 miles. Any advice on problems to look for? Fair Price? Like the >>bike? >> >>Thanks >> >>Mark >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 09:34:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14489; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27236; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13712; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:34:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.65.204]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA15781; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:33:37 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Meier, Christopher" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: VFRers? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:30:31 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3179$7246fa60$6b4c440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Chris-- What Tom should have said is best 750 sportbike, best all-around sportbike, best sport-tourer, best whatever-the-hell-else they could think of...... later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 09:42:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14684; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27592; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13922; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA24306 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3151.3A351030@XXXXXX>; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:42:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'kevin thomas'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: VFRers? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:42:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm. No, I remember seeing it as best GT 750 also. My point is that the press seems to feel it so necessary to find it best bike in something that they even invent their own class for it. Don't get me wrong, I love the Viffers too, but there's something fishy there. They can't really call it best sportbike, since it would get thrashed on the track, and it is a still really more sport than sport tour (like my RF), so it's out of that category also. I would agree with the best all-around rating as it does what it was designed very well ... good/great at all things combined, but not the best in any one category. FWIW, that was my criteria when buying. I wanted a good all around bike, not a repli-racer, but still plenty of sport. I seriously considered a 95 VFR, but didn't want to shell out the extra $$$. YMMV, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 9:30 AM >To: Meier, Christopher >Cc: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: VFRers? > >Chris-- > >What Tom should have said is best 750 sportbike, best all-around sportbike, >best sport-tourer, best whatever-the-hell-else they could think of...... > >later >Kevin > >He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 10:02:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15370; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28238; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15025; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA11271; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA15566; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:01:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980204150114.UFOG452@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:01:14 -0600 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:58 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "kevin thomas" CC: "Meier, Christopher" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: VFRers? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980204150114.UFOG452@[166.41.242.141]> Kevin wrote: >Chris-- > >What Tom should have said is best 750 sportbike, best all-around sportbike, >best sport-tourer, best whatever-the-hell-else they could think of...... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I definitely will take exception with this over-enthusiastic claim. The rest...no comment. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 10:18:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15915; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28776; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15850; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:18:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA04514; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:17:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802041517.JAA04514@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from slip-32-100-159-128.dc.us.ibm.net(32.100.159.128) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004474; Wed Feb 4 09:17:09 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: "Rottier.Amy" Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:15:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: My "new" bike - easy transition to legality! CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34D78F21.3B72@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > Yes, yes, I know!! ;) I guess I'm not the "hard-core" biker I thought I > was. Sigh. All the comforts of home on two wheels. I own a Wing -- as it happens, mine is the model without all of these "must-have" features I was teasing you about. Congratulations on the new bike -- despite the problems. There are occasional references to the PC on the Wings list and, as far as I recall, all have been very positive. When I was out in Montana I met a couple that had come down from Alaska on one and sang the PC's praise. There's also a guy in the building that commutes 90 miles each way from Delaware every day. rain or shine. It's a tough machine. Good luck with it. > battery. Well, it *was* almost 10 years old... About 2 1/2 times the norm -- not too bad. > > Luckily, a nice fellow stopped and offered to help push start it. I Try that with a Wing. > > So, I'm ready! Just in time for the wicked weather. Yippee. Ride safe. Bill Schmidt billsch@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 11:42:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18747; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01441; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20672; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from rothp ([198.27.17.48]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 299 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:41:34 -0500 Sender: arottier@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34D89A5D.71EF@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 08:42:05 -0800 From: Amy Rottier X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My "new" bike Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit quotes from gnissley: ++++++++++++++ On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, George Howell wrote: > Weird. My father has a female patient who was just talking about getting > a PC800. Coincidence, or conspiracy? Hmmm...Moto Online just did an article on the PC.And they recently had a female journalist. Maybe something in the design is attracting females.We should look into this. ++++++++++++++ Ah. You have found the code. And it is definitively this: The PC800's rear-end is larger than mine. Makes my butt look positively slender. Vanity. It all comes down to looks. ;) Of course, yesterday morning I couldn't have cared what the bike looked like - it rides like a dream. Amy -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Amy E. Rottier Donovan Platypus =) Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX Lockheed Martin Technical Operations 7474 Greenway Center Drive Suite 200 301-901-6020 (office) Greenbelt, MD 20770 301-901-6161 (fax) ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 12:12:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19393; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01969; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21970; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA11048; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA04401; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:11:51 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA04396; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:11:50 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD314C.E9092C90@XXXXXX>; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:11:43 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Amy Rottier'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: My "new" bike Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:07:52 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 6 TEXT >The PC800's rear-end is larger than mine. Makes my butt look positively >slender. Vanity. It all comes down to looks. ;) > >>>> For that reason alone I should look into acquiring that bike. :- ) > >- Ursulina From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 12:30:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19811; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02177; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22585; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA18157; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:25:18 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB69C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:23:01 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Looks like the weather will be cloudy but clear on Saturday. Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack & me?? ha ha ha - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 13:49:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21694; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03727; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25867; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA09811; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA28964; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:47:57 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA28952; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:47:56 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD315A.5359BE90@XXXXXX>; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:47:45 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:44:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 17 TEXT I'll be around so count me in. Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * PCS phone 703-624-1303 >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 9:23 AM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: Ride, Anyone?? > >Looks like the weather will be cloudy but clear on Saturday. >Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? >How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack & >me?? ha ha ha > >- Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 14:16:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22333; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04646; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27091; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:16:27 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id LHAOa03666; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:10:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a36220b.34d8bd3a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:10:48 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/4/98 12:40:55 PM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: <> I'm game!! Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 14:22:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22515; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04839; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27427; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA25606; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:21:15 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6A1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:18:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, who's going to volunteer to help us newbie & semi-newbies out here? Any experienced riders willing to lead? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 2:11 PM > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? > > > In a message dated 2/4/98 12:40:55 PM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: > > < Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? > How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack & > me?? ha ha ha>> > > I'm game!! > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 14:31:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22686; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04951; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from red.uspis.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27745; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA21314; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:37:05 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'jlobrien@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:32:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like a female ride for Saturday. Imagine that >---------- >From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 2:10 PM >To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? > > >In a message dated 2/4/98 12:40:55 PM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: > ><Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? >How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack & >me?? ha ha ha>> > >I'm game!! >Marcy > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 14:50:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23079; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05426; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28546; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:50:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12742; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:50:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00894; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:50:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802041950.OAA00894@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? To: CAClements@XXXXXX (Clements Curtis A) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:50:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "Clements, Curtis A" at Feb 4, 98 02:32:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Sounds like a female ride for Saturday. Imagine that It usually starts out with them wanting to ride, then looking for a leader, then the males start popping up by the end of the week. (No, that was not meant to be read in an obscene way!) I have a route sheet I'm going to try out on Saturday, but some of these roads (on the other side of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge) are not 'Newbie Roads.' Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine > >---------- > >From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 2:10 PM > >To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? > > > > > >In a message dated 2/4/98 12:40:55 PM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >< >Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? > >How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack & > >me?? ha ha ha>> > > > >I'm game!! > >Marcy > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 15:04:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23313; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:04:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05601; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28909; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA01143; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:03:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA21040; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:03:17 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA21032; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:03:13 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3164.DA012280@XXXXXX>; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:03:06 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , "'CAClements@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:59:18 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 52 TEXT How advanced do you think these roads will be? To much for an newbie like me? Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * PCS phone 703-624-1303 >-----Original Message----- >From: Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 11:50 AM >To: CAClements@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? > > >> Sounds like a female ride for Saturday. Imagine that > >It usually starts out with them wanting to ride, then looking for a leader, >then the males start popping up by the end of the week. (No, that was not >meant to be read in an obscene way!) > >I have a route sheet I'm going to try out on Saturday, but some of these >roads (on the other side of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge) are not 'Newbie >Roads.' > >Louis > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | >www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm >Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | >louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine > > >> >---------- >> >From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] >> >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 2:10 PM >> >To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? >> > >> > >> >In a message dated 2/4/98 12:40:55 PM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: >> > >> ><> >Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? >> >How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack & >> >me?? ha ha ha>> >> > >> >I'm game!! >> >Marcy >> > >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 15:05:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23350; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05617; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28975; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD317D.E221C960@XXXXXX>; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:02:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:02:15 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 27 TEXT Does this mean you'll show up at this ride unlike the past ride you organized at Stephan's house? Only kidding. Wish I could go but need to do the tourist thing with family coming from out of town and Dale is going to WV to look at Ken's KZ440LTD. Have fun - if anyone wants some good rides in VA, we just got a book in the mail that gives some jaunts around the Front Royal area that I'd be willing to e-mail. Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 12:23 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Ride, Anyone?? Looks like the weather will be cloudy but clear on Saturday. Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack & me?? ha ha ha - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 15:07:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23433; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05659; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:07:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29077; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:07:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA11719; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:06:22 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6AD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:04:04 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ha ha. The funny thing about Steve's ride was I had the flu & almost went anyway!! Then, when I realized I was so dizzy I couldn't even see straight, I thought better of the idea. Steve got me back, though, he didn't show for the last ride... ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 3:02 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; jlobrien@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? > > Does this mean you'll show up at this ride unlike the past ride you > organized at Stephan's house? Only kidding. Wish I could go but need > to > do the tourist thing with family coming from out of town and Dale is > going > to WV to look at Ken's KZ440LTD. Have fun - if anyone wants some good > > rides in VA, we just got a book in the mail that gives some jaunts > around > the Front Royal area that I'd be willing to e-mail. > > Tracy Horstman > '87 Suzuki Savage 650 > "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: > Those that have lost data > and those that are going to....." > > ---------- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 12:23 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Ride, Anyone?? > > Looks like the weather will be cloudy but clear on Saturday. > Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? > How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack & > me?? ha ha ha > > - Jeannette > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 15:16:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23620; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05874; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29482; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA05434; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:13:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA20895; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980204201352.VRWF452@XXXXXX>; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:13:52 -0600 Message-ID: <34D8CBFA.E4E4E904@mci.com> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:13:46 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , KZ LTD List , VJMC List Subject: January was good to me Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After cracking 30k just before the new year, I decided to check out my odometer reading once the fine month of January drew to a close. I was quite pleasantly surprised to find that I had added over 1600 miles in what a startling number of bike owners consider a non-riding month. That works out to close to 20k for a year. Cool! I think my bike is much happier this way. It was very nearly doomed to life imprisoned in a garage playing second fiddle to a Harley Softail. Wouldn't have seen much daylight that way! Anyhoo, just had to throw this out here, the weather is gonna be pretty crappy for the next couple days, I miss my bike already! Ride safe, stay dry! Dale (the Horkster) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 16:47:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26141; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09006; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03732; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:46:44 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id HITMa07021; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:40:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:40:43 EST To: louis@XXXXXX, CAClements@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Ride, Anyone?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/4/98 2:58:50 PM, louis@XXXXXX wrote: <> well Louis, have fun then! marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 17:05:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26944; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09695; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04954; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.10]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA17678 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:04:59 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: webmasters? sorry, no mc content Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:01:52 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd31b8$801d76c0$6b4c440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey, y'all-- Anybody have web site maintainance knowledge? My sister has been given some responsibilities at work but no training. Needs some advice. Any help is appreciated. email her at eswanson@XXXXXX or I'll fwd your response. Thanks a bunch. Sorry for the lack o' content. She's likely to get a bike this year, tho. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 17:27:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27695; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11965; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06280; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA11340; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:25:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA20968; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980204222545.CRZU13559@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:25:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:23 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980204222545.CRZU13559@[166.41.242.141]> If it's early enough in the morning (9am we leave), I'll volunteer. I may need to split early though (around 12pm) Todd Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6A1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:18:58 -0500 Ok, who's going to volunteer to help us newbie & semi-newbies out here? Any experienced riders willing to lead? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 2:11 PM > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? > > > In a message dated 2/4/98 12:40:55 PM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: > > < Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? > How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack & > me?? ha ha ha>> > > I'm game!! > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 17:28:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27720; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12068; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06313; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA00121; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:25:54 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6B8@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:23:38 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain ARG. That's not a RIDE, that's a jaunt!! hee hee > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 5:23 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? > > > If it's early enough in the morning (9am we leave), I'll volunteer. > I may need to split early though (around 12pm) > > Todd > > Message-ID: > <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6A1@XXXXXX> > From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:18:58 -0500 > > Ok, who's going to volunteer to help us newbie & semi-newbies out > here? > Any experienced riders willing to lead? > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 2:11 PM > > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? > > > > > > In a message dated 2/4/98 12:40:55 PM, jlobrien@XXXXXX > wrote: > > > > < > Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? > > How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack > & > > me?? ha ha ha>> > > > > I'm game!! > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 17:29:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27753; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12157; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06355; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA00691; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:27:14 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6B9@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:24:57 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Okay, that leads to the next discussion...what time is good for everyone to start out? Me, myself, am planning on being up kinda late Friday, so I wouldn't mind a later start... We do have 2 volunteers of leaders, now, though, girls!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 5:23 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? > > > If it's early enough in the morning (9am we leave), I'll volunteer. > I may need to split early though (around 12pm) > > Todd > > Message-ID: > <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6A1@XXXXXX> > From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:18:58 -0500 > > Ok, who's going to volunteer to help us newbie & semi-newbies out > here? > Any experienced riders willing to lead? > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 2:11 PM > > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? > > > > > > In a message dated 2/4/98 12:40:55 PM, jlobrien@XXXXXX > wrote: > > > > < > Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? > > How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack > & > > me?? ha ha ha>> > > > > I'm game!! > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 17:37:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27962; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13313; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:37:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06673; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (Pool-207-205-219-7.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.7]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04834 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:37:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980204173749.22471034@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nopaco@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:37:49 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Scott Myers Subject: VFR for Sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I've been reading the list for a while now and I finaly have something to add...the impending purchase of a Ducati 750ss is forcing the sale of my beloved '86 VFR 700. The bike has been my favorite and I hope to find a good home for it: 12,500 mi. 2nd owner Oil Changed Every 2,000 miles New Dunlop K591 Rear Tire Runs very strong $2,500.00 The only flaws are as follows: 1 - the baffle on one of the Kerker Slip ons fell out the last time I rode the bike (The Kerkers were on it when I bought it, don't blame me!!!) 2 - The carb float gets stuck when the bike is stored for a while on the kick stand. It leaks gas until the float unsticks. I'm willing to have a mechanic go through the carbs and fix what ever is neccesary to eleviate this problem at my expense. Please respond to me off list at: nopaco@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 18:20:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29049; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15067; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08410; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:20:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12711; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:20:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24778; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:20:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802042320.SAA24778@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX (Viteri Ursulina) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:20:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "Viteri, Ursulina" at Feb 4, 98 11:59:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > How advanced do you think these roads will be? To much for an newbie > like me? If you were to go, we probably would need some "catch up" points. It's actually a moot point now. Because of all the expected flooding, I think the real fun road may be flooded out (has some low bridges that look easily floodable) I'll have to listen to some reports in the next few days to see what's going on. Louis > Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * PCS phone 703-624-1303 > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 11:50 AM > >To: CAClements@XXXXXX > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? > > > > > >> Sounds like a female ride for Saturday. Imagine that > > > >It usually starts out with them wanting to ride, then looking for a leader, > >then the males start popping up by the end of the week. (No, that was not > >meant to be read in an obscene way!) > > > >I have a route sheet I'm going to try out on Saturday, but some of these > >roads (on the other side of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge) are not 'Newbie > >Roads.' > > > >Louis > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | > >www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm > >Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | > >louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine > > > > > >> >---------- > >> >From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > >> >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 2:10 PM > >> >To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> >Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? > >> > > >> > > >> >In a message dated 2/4/98 12:40:55 PM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: > >> > > >> >< >> >Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? > >> >How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack & > >> >me?? ha ha ha>> > >> > > >> >I'm game!! > >> >Marcy > >> > > >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 18:29:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29231; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15193; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08784; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA15314; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv2-11.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.75) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015137; Wed Feb 4 17:27:43 1998 Message-ID: <34D91B36.3AAA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:51:50 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Buells, wasCleveland CW Bike Show References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil M. Nissley wrote: > Er Ken,you're not thinking about getting a Buell,are you? > > Want a copy of my Buell review? > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" Actually Gil, I am seriously thinking about getting one. Need to pay off some other stuff but hopefully by the end of the summer, or fall when the dealing starts I probably will. I've read your reports on your experiences, and can understand your frustration, It reminds me of the Moto Guzzi V65 I had back in '85. It was a POS, but it was, next to my current Sporty the best damm bike I ever owned. Im keeping my fingers crossed that especially after the bugs in KC get worked out, some of the QC problems will be taken care of when some production shifts down there, If in fact that actually happens at all. The other thing I might do is wait and see if HD gets their act together and gets a VR on the street. That might be the only thing that keeps me away from the Buell id the price is right. I looked at the Ducs and Triumphs, but from what I hear people have been having as many problems with the Trumpets as you've had with your S1. And the only Duc I like is the ST2 but Im worried about the longevity of that bike on a 150 mile round trip daily commute. -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 18:39:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29423; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15267; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09068; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:38:56 -0500 (EST) From: MYGWING@XXXXXX Received: from MYGWING@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id PGGUa08283; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:38:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:38:43 EST To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kz-ltd-list@XXXXXX, vjmc@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: (vjmc) January was good to me Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 you dont really keep that harley inthe same garage as the kawaski's ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 18:44:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29496; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15321; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09158; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA17439; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:43:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv2-11.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.75) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017305; Wed Feb 4 17:43:03 1998 Message-ID: <34D91F08.42BE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:08:08 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: XL Mailing list info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple folks have expressed interest in a XL Mailing list dealing with, of course, Buells and XL's. It is primarily a technical forum, but I have gathered some useful information from it. They have a Web page for subscription info online, instructions etc at http://ZooStation.CNS.OhioU.Edu/~dmans/moto/framed.html For those on email only without a browser to subscribe is xl-list-request@XXXXXX Digest form is xl-digest-request@XXXXXX To post is xl-list@XXXXXX If you would like to unsubscribe, please send an email message to xl-list-request@XXXXXX if you recieve your mail in list form or xl-digest-request@XXXXXX if you receive your mail in digest form, with unsubscribe as the subject. Hope this helps... Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 21:07:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01433; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16153; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12044; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomzell (Pool-207-205-218-43.pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.43]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA28617; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:06:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980204210439.006f5cf4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:04:39 -0500 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB69C@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Count me definitely in :) Tom Zell '86 VFR700/750F zellto@XXXXXX At 12:23 PM 2/4/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Looks like the weather will be cloudy but clear on Saturday. >Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? >How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack & >me?? ha ha ha > >- Jeannette > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 4 21:13:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01487; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16196; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12137; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomzell (Pool-207-205-218-43.pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.43]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07214 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:13:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980204211205.006fe430@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:12:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: (vjmc) January was good to me In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yeah really, the poor Kawasaki..... (no flames, just kidding) Tom Zell '86 VFR700/750F zellto@XXXXXX At 06:38 PM 2/4/98 EST, MYGWING@XXXXXX wrote: >you dont really keep that harley inthe same garage as the kawaski's >??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 00:38:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04588; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18114; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15571; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:36:53 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id LTLPa10938; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:36:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:36:44 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 In a message dated 98-02-04 17:37:25 EST, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: << Okay, that leads to the next discussion...what time is good for everyone to start out? Me, myself, am planning on being up kinda late Friday, so I wouldn't mind a later star >> I'd prefer an 11:00 am start time, later is probably ok, but definately NOT earlier..... (gotta get my beauty sleep) ;D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 05:11:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA07979; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA19346; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA18979; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA18313; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:06:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:04:04 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: My "new" bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34D89A5D.71EF@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Amy Rottier wrote: > Ah. You have found the code. And it is definitively this: > The PC800's rear-end is larger than mine. Makes my butt look positively > slender. Heh.Avoid S1's at all costs. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 06:10:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA08521; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19661; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19775; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA18520; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:05:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:03:13 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Buells, wasCleveland CW Bike Show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34D91B36.3AAA@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Ken S. wrote: > Actually Gil, > I am seriously thinking about getting one. Well I've got an S1 that I'm looking to unload.If you really want one you'll prolly do better getting a pre-owned one that's had everything fixed. > Im keeping my fingers crossed that > especially after the bugs in KC get worked out, some of the QC problems > will be taken care of when some production shifts down there, If in fact > that actually happens at all. Your choice.Remember though,I haven't been talking about minor niggles and cosmetic probs,I've been talking about the kind of things that make you do emergency landings.And it seems the only way they'll get serious about improving something is when there's a recall. > The other thing I might do is wait and > see if HD gets their act together and gets a VR on the street. Don't hold your breath.Harley hasn't been giving that much support to the race division.The only reason they've put out any street models is comply with the regs.Harley's real gunshy about trying new things;they're having flashbacks to the XLCR/XR1000.And they may get out of racing altogether now that the AMA is looking into that new flat/dirt track class. OBmoto:everyone see those new flattrack prototypes in the latest AMA mag?That TL powered one was _sweet_.I bet it ways a good 100lbs less than the street bike.Ooooeerrr.I want one. :-) > That > might be the only thing that keeps me away from the Buell id the price > is right. Sure,they're cheap to buy,but you're gonna take a bath when it comes time to sell it.If you buy one,better make sure it's a keeper. > I looked at the Ducs and Triumphs, but from what I hear > people have been having as many problems with the Trumpets as you've had > with your S1. Eh?I've been looking into the Triumphs since I'd like to replace the Buell with a T509.The only recall I've heard of was for the frames.Some of the early ones could crack _after_ an accident.I've seen/heard of Buells that cracked their frames/subframes *while they were being ridden*. And as for probs,I haven't heard of anything major.I have heard good stories about customer service,and they do come with twice the Buell's warranty. > And the only Duc I like is the ST2 but Im worried about > the longevity of that bike on a 150 mile round trip daily commute. The ST2 is basically a new-model 904(?) Paso.I've heard lots of good things about that model. Hey man,free country...,you're old enough now...,YMMV...,etc.But as I told someone once before,I wouldn't recommend a Buell to anyone I wanted to keep as a friend. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 09:18:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10570; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20902; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22324; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA02054 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:17:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D9CACF.EAFC33A@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:21:03 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Valentines weekend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who is taking there Valentine to the Baltimore bike show? We could make to a group thing. Jay Goddard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 11:23:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13042; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25736; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26419; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA17905; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:21:38 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6BD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'jay goddard'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Valentines weekend Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:19:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain This sounds interesting. What're the details, time, place, day(s), etc.? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 1998 9:21 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Valentines weekend > > Who is taking there Valentine to the Baltimore bike show? We could > make > to a group thing. > > Jay Goddard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 12:25:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14519; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27687; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29197; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.118] (unverified [207.226.128.118]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 00:00:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Buells, wasCleveland CW Bike Show Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 23:54:50 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" , "Gil M. Nissley" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >with your S1. And the only Duc I like is the ST2 but Im worried about >the longevity of that bike on a 150 mile round trip daily commute. I'd seriously worry about monkey butt syndrome on a Buell for a 150 mile daily commute. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 12:25:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14524; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27681; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29190; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.118] (unverified [207.226.128.118]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 00:00:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 23:54:46 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Looks like the weather will be cloudy but clear on Saturday. >Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? >How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack & >me?? ha ha ha If I can get home on Friday night and either bleed the brake on the Beemer (and scrub in the tire) or just grab the Kawasaki (and see how well that fork fluid replacement worked) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 12:25:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14530; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27677; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29186; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.118] (unverified [207.226.128.118]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 00:00:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 23:54:43 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Me, myself, am planning on being up kinda late Friday, so I wouldn't >mind a later start... Ditto. Although no partying. Oil change for the cage, and brake bleed on the bike. Plus, I get in an hour of riding before the 'ride'. :) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 12:28:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14598; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27802; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29310; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA16437; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:27:20 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6C7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:25:05 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, how about meeting at 11? Now we need a place to meet. I think one of our leaders is thinking of the area near/around Potomac (Clara Barton Parkway??)...I've ridden with him before & it was really, really fun...anyone up for that? I guess we'd need to cross Key Bridge & such, so is there anywhere around there/near there to meet? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 11:55 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? > > >Me, myself, am planning on being up kinda late Friday, so I wouldn't > >mind a later start... > > Ditto. Although no partying. Oil change for the cage, and brake bleed > on > the bike. Plus, I get in an hour of riding before the 'ride'. > > :) > > > > ``` > (o o) > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > *--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 13:15:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15538; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29210; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00960; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:15:22 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id LNUEa23609; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:09:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <800091ad.34da0062@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:09:36 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/5/98 12:44:42 PM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: <> 11 works for me ..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 14:09:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17011; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01066; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03013; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AE07474013C; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 14:07:51 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980205140915.009d6770@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 14:09:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: I stayed dryer than the pedestrians! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sure has been interesting riding these past couple of days! Crossing deep water is no problem, just ride slowly, and don't put a foot down! I've given up trying to waterproof my leather boots. I dug out the old boot covers, and they do a fine job. Thing is, though, that I've been walking from my building to my bike (about a block) while wearing my Aerostich and helmet. Much dryer than using an umbrella! Well, the boot covers don't take much walking -- the front piece, that keeps the toe on, is wearing quickly under the boot's tread. Gotta come up with something more 'wear-able'. If anybody asks why I wear the Aerostich and helmet to walk, I'll just tell them it's Pedestrian Protective Gear. Saw the discarded remains of 11 umbrellas in only one block, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 14:15:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17124; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01165; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03255; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA05882; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:22:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:22:01 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6C7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am interestd in this Sat. ride as well. I am very familiar with the potomac area. A good place to meet would be the corner of MacArthus Blvd and Falls Rd. There's a large area of empty space at that corner that is easily visible. I haven't been following the ride destination, so I'm not sure if that's a convenient area, although it is Potomac. To get there, go N. on Macarthur. Falls Rd is the intersection on MacArthur just before entering Great Falls Park in MD. On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Ok, how about meeting at 11? > Now we need a place to meet. I think one of our leaders is thinking of > the area near/around Potomac (Clara Barton Parkway??)...I've ridden with > him before & it was really, really fun...anyone up for that? I guess > we'd need to cross Key Bridge & such, so is there anywhere around > there/near there to meet? > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 11:55 PM > > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > > Cc: DC Cycles > > Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? > > > > >Me, myself, am planning on being up kinda late Friday, so I wouldn't > > >mind a later start... > > > > Ditto. Although no partying. Oil change for the cage, and brake bleed > > on > > the bike. Plus, I get in an hour of riding before the 'ride'. > > > > :) > > > > > > > > ``` > > (o o) > > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > > *--------------------------oooO------------* > > |__||__| > > || || > > ooO Ooo > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 14:49:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17918; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01619; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04479; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA09021; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:48:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA19782; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980205194822.PSPL480@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:48:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 14:44 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I stayed dryer than the pedestrians! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980205194822.PSPL480@[166.41.242.141]> Chris Norloff wrote: >I've been >walking from my building to my bike (about a block) while wearing my >Aerostich and helmet. Much dryer than using an umbrella! When I used to park on the street downtown (2-blocks from my building), I used to get waterproofed in the very posh lobby. Got lots of looks from guests and employees as well. Walked down the street looking like one of those 'Intel' aliens on tv. HA! But I was nice and dry. Todd Chris, get the Combat Touring Boots from Rider Warehouse. Unless you step in a puddle, they do not leak a bit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 15:01:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18249; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01829; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04985; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA16291; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:58:30 -0500 Message-ID: <34DA198B.31F58EB9@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 14:56:59 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I stayed dryer than the pedestrians! References: <3.0.1.32.19980205140915.009d6770@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree. It seems that the new Aerostich is less water resistant than the old one. I was able to stay completely dry this morning. I put a two piece $8 Walmart rainsuit over the 'stich. It was much easier to put on than the one piece rainsuit I had been using, and did the job better since I didn't have a problem with the cord for the electric vest and gloves. I think if I had to walk any distance, I'd leave a pair of shoes (dress boots) at the office and wear heavy riding boots - if the ladies can do it with walking/dress shoes, I should be able to do the same with riding/dress boots. My boots are still waterproof, that may change as they get older. Leon. Chris Norloff wrote: > Sure has been interesting riding these past couple of days! Crossing deep > water is no problem, just ride slowly, and don't put a foot down! > > I've given up trying to waterproof my leather boots. I dug out the old > boot covers, and they do a fine job. Thing is, though, that I've been > walking from my building to my bike (about a block) while wearing my > Aerostich and helmet. Much dryer than using an umbrella! Well, the boot > covers don't take much walking -- the front piece, that keeps the toe on, > is wearing quickly under the boot's tread. Gotta come up with something > more 'wear-able'. > > If anybody asks why I wear the Aerostich and helmet to walk, I'll just tell > them it's Pedestrian Protective Gear. > > Saw the discarded remains of 11 umbrellas in only one block, > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 15:06:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18363; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01934; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05201; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA03722 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3247.96E72740@XXXXXX>; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:06:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'Morris Berman'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:05:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That area sound like the place where I stop to rest after that long hill climbing out of Great falls kicks my a** on the mountain bike. Unfortunately I will be unable to join you all ... although if it were on Sunday instead ... Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Morris Berman[SMTP:mberman@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 05, 1998 2:22 PM >To: O'Brien, Jeannette >Cc: DC Cycles >Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? > >I am interestd in this Sat. ride as well. I am very familiar with the >potomac area. A good place to meet would be the corner of MacArthus Blvd >and Falls Rd. There's a large area of empty space at that corner that is >easily visible. I haven't been following the ride destination, so I'm >not sure if that's a convenient area, although it is Potomac. To get >there, go N. on Macarthur. Falls Rd is the intersection on MacArthur >just before entering Great Falls Park in MD. > >On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > >> Ok, how about meeting at 11? >> Now we need a place to meet. I think one of our leaders is thinking of >> the area near/around Potomac (Clara Barton Parkway??)...I've ridden with >> him before & it was really, really fun...anyone up for that? I guess >> we'd need to cross Key Bridge & such, so is there anywhere around >> there/near there to meet? >> >> - Jeannette >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 11:55 PM >> > To: O'Brien, Jeannette >> > Cc: DC Cycles >> > Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? >> > >> > >Me, myself, am planning on being up kinda late Friday, so I wouldn't >> > >mind a later start... >> > >> > Ditto. Although no partying. Oil change for the cage, and brake bleed >> > on >> > the bike. Plus, I get in an hour of riding before the 'ride'. >> > >> > :) >> > >> > >> > >> > ``` >> > (o o) >> > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* >> > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| >> > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| >> > *--------------------------oooO------------* >> > |__||__| >> > || || >> > ooO Ooo >> > >-Mb > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted ><=-=-=-=-=- > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying >to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 15:09:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18403; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01957; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05295; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:02:43 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:09:14 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Saturday Ride I know of some roads leading out along the Maryland side of the Potomac River and then cutting north to the tight little roads of Catoctin State Park. I will make a map, but if it looks like I'm exploring a little bit, I am. The Virginia and D.C. riders could meet at the Exxon at the Exorcist Steps in Georgetown (just across Key Bridge from Rosslyn and a block to the left) at 10:30am-11am for an 11am start time, and we could pick up Maryland riders at the Exxon in the center of Potomac Village at 11:30am. I have to return to D.C. by about 5pm. Hope this works for everyone interested in a Saturday ride. Let me know, Sean '95 F3 PS. Just got your e-mail, Morris. How's about we meet you at Falls Road and MacArthur about 11:30am? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 98-02-04 17:37:25 EST, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: << Okay, that leads to the next discussion...what time is good for everyone to start out? Me, myself, am planning on being up kinda late Friday, so I wouldn't mind a later star >> I'd prefer an 11:00 am start time, later is probably ok, but definately NOT earlier..... (gotta get my beauty sleep) ;D <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am interestd in this Sat. ride as well. I am very familiar with the potomac area. A good place to meet would be the corner of MacArthus Blvd and Falls Rd. There's a large area of empty space at that corner that is easily visible. I haven't been following the ride destination, so I'm not sure if that's a convenient area, although it is Potomac. To get there, go N. on Macarthur. Falls Rd is the intersection on MacArthur just before entering Great Falls Park in MD. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 15:18:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18617; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02054; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05566; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:12:13 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:18:25 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I stayed dryer than the pedestrians! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: I stayed dryer than the pedestrians! Chris, I've been using Pedestrian Protective Gear myself this week. I get confused and amused looks from other people on the sidewalk as I wear a rainsuit and helmet away from the bike, but the outfit works. Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is, though, that I've been walking from my building to my bike (about a block) while wearing my Aerostich and helmet. Much dryer than using an umbrella! If anybody asks why I wear the Aerostich and helmet to walk, I'll just tell them it's Pedestrian Protective Gear. Saw the discarded remains of 11 umbrellas in only one block, Chris Norloff <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 15:26:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18807; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02272; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05982; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA03844; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:24:54 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6D4@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Sean Sullivan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:22:38 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Works for me! Everyone else in? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Sullivan [SMTP:SUPERFND@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 1998 3:09 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Saturday Ride > > Re: Saturday Ride > > I know of some roads leading out along the Maryland side of the > Potomac River and > then cutting north to the tight little roads of Catoctin State Park. I > will make a map, but if > it looks like I'm exploring a little bit, I am. > The Virginia and D.C. riders could meet at the Exxon at the Exorcist > Steps in > Georgetown (just across Key Bridge from Rosslyn and a block to the > left) at 10:30am-11am > for an 11am start time, and we could pick up Maryland riders at the > Exxon in the center > of Potomac Village at 11:30am. I have to return to D.C. by about 5pm. > Hope this works for everyone interested in a Saturday ride. Let me > know, > Sean > '95 F3 > > PS. Just got your e-mail, Morris. How's about we meet you at Falls > Road and MacArthur > about 11:30am? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > In a message dated 98-02-04 17:37:25 EST, jlobrien@XXXXXX > writes: > > << Okay, that leads to the next discussion...what time is good for > everyone > to start out? > Me, myself, am planning on being up kinda late Friday, so I wouldn't > mind a later star >> > > I'd prefer an 11:00 am start time, later is probably ok, but > definately NOT > earlier..... (gotta get my beauty sleep) ;D > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I am interestd in this Sat. ride as well. I am very familiar with the > > potomac area. A good place to meet would be the corner of MacArthus > Blvd > and Falls Rd. There's a large area of empty space at that corner that > is > easily visible. I haven't been following the ride destination, so I'm > > not sure if that's a convenient area, although it is Potomac. To get > there, go N. on Macarthur. Falls Rd is the intersection on MacArthur > just before entering Great Falls Park in MD. > > -Mb > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted > <=-=-=-=-=- > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging > trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 15:30:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18965; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02382; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06262; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA27669; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:28:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA14810; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:28:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980205202838.QFGK480@XXXXXX>; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:28:38 -0500 Message-ID: <34DA20F5.2A45DBC0@mci.com> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:28:37 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I stayed dryer than the pedestrians! References: <3.0.1.32.19980205140915.009d6770@mail.toward.com> <34DA198B.31F58EB9@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > I think if I had to walk any distance, I'd leave a pair of shoes (dress boots) > at the office and wear heavy riding boots - if the ladies can do it with > walking/dress shoes, I should be able to do the same with riding/dress > boots. My boots are still waterproof, that may change as they get older. I already do this, with dress shoes and the heavy hiker boots that I now wear. Not that I have far to walk. I just don't feel comfortable clomping around the office with those big honkin boots all day long. Plus they are insulated, and my feet will sweat indoors if left on all day (phew!). My hiker boots are still pretty waterproof, as I've found out after a couple of DEEP puddles. Leon, just curious, did you do the scotch-gard aerosol can thing on the new 'stich when you got it? It surprises me that the new suit is less waterproof than the old one. Gonna be bad for business if news of this *LEAKS* out! (Sorry about the pun!) I'm getting cranky, I miss my bike. I think I'm riding come hell or high water tomorrow. Ride safe, stay dry! Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 15:36:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19165; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02449; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06511; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id PAA02966; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:35:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34DA236A.7343E4BF@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:39:06 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Valentines weekend References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6BD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is next weekend Saterday14th and Sunday 15th but I am not sure where. Anyone know?? O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > This sounds interesting. What're the details, time, place, day(s), > etc.? > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 1998 9:21 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Valentines weekend > > > > Who is taking there Valentine to the Baltimore bike show? We could > > make > > to a group thing. > > > > Jay Goddard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 21:46:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25848; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06331; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16469; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA16508 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:45:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv2-23.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.87) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016361; Thu Feb 5 20:44:58 1998 Message-ID: <34DA8BCE.2B71@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 20:04:30 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Baltimore Bike Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know how much the tickets at the door are for the Baltimore Bike Show the 14th of Feb? -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 22:05:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26295; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:05:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06461; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16937; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-73-249.s58.as4.man.erols.com [207.172.73.249]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA20520 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:11:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802060311.WAA20520@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: Torque Settings F3 sprockets? Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:04:22 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know the front and rear sprocket torque settings for a 96 F3? Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 22:38:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26664; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06622; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17680; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:38:02 -0500 (EST) From: mdow@XXXXXX Received: by cagw2.att.com; Wed Feb 4 13:43 EST 1998 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id NAA23379 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA00549 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:47:23 -0500 Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3173.7D9AA9D0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:47:53 -0500 Message-Id: To: , Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:47:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in. I'll bring my chain oil with me so someone can help me oil the chain. I HATE not having a centerstand. It takes me half an hour and about 18 feet to do it by myself! -Sash Michael A. Dow LAN Support Team AT&T, Dulles Corner (703) 713-7062 >---------- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 12:23 PM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: Ride, Anyone?? > >Looks like the weather will be cloudy but clear on Saturday. >Does anyone want to try to get a ride together? >How about this time we try for a "group" ride, rather than just Jack & >me?? ha ha ha > >- Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 23:06:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27035; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06811; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18264; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.140] (unverified [207.226.128.140]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:48:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 21:41:58 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Sean Sullivan'" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Works for me! Everyone else in? As long as you're not disappointed if I show up on the Kawasaki:) (Don't know about the Beemer yet) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 23:06:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27033; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06810; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18234; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.140] (unverified [207.226.128.140]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:47:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Valentines weekend Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 21:41:01 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "jay goddard" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >It is next weekend Saterday14th and Sunday 15th but I am not sure where. >Anyone know?? Last year I think it was at the Balt. Conv. Center. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 23:06:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27042; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06812; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18270; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.140] (unverified [207.226.128.140]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:50:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 21:44:30 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Sean Sullivan" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > The Virginia and D.C. riders could meet at the Exxon at the Exorcist >Steps in >Georgetown (just across Key Bridge from Rosslyn and a block to the left) >at 10:30am-11am Actually, I know one maryland rider who would meet at the exorcist steps. Actually closer for me:) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 5 23:41:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27456; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07095; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19082; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:41:18 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id XAA17277 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:41:18 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma017268; Thu, 5 Feb 98 23:41:17 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id XAA18971 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA886739467; Thu, 05 Feb 98 23:38:12 -0500 Message-Id: <9802058867.AA886739467@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 98 23:30:36 -0500 To: Subject: news... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Well, life's still a pain without a bike - BUT, I've pretty much sold the whole thing off (if people are serious) for right around the same amount I paid for it. If it all works out right, I'll have only memories of that bike to hold onto - without donating any of it (well, the obligatory bits and pieces to Jeannette)... Also, I learned tonight that the dumb-F's that had my race-bike last really were dumb-Fs. Due to their stupidity, they destroyed 4 gears in the trany, melted a couple of shift forks, put in a completely wrong clutch which FUBARed everything in there - and just generally were morons (using allen head bolts in crucial areas - not a wise idea cause there's not much surface area for tensile strength). Parts cost - $1,000... thankfully, I've already paid most of that off (before the VF died). Argh... My search for a replacement is coming along - I've run across a couple of candidates, something I can afford, something that will be on-par (at least) with my VF, and cheap. Lets just hope the Fed and State govs do their good deeds and get my returns back to me quickly. Other than that, not much happening... Guess I'll see you all at Horksters party (yes, you WERE going to host one this spring... isn't it spring yet?).... Brian M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 01:09:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29165; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 01:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08338; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 01:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20357; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 01:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.85]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA4867 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 06:08:18 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: radar detector bracket for sale Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 01:05:14 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd32c5$310e2a80$6b4c440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey, y'all-- I have a Saeng-TA "cockpit" radar detector bracket that won't work on a VFR. It attatches to the bike with double stick tape, and to the detector with velcro. It is adjustable for angle and about 2.75 inches tall, plus the detector. It cost $40 and has been installed but has never been used. You'll need new tape and velcro, unless you have a BEL 745STi+ you want to trade for my velcroed one. I imagine Saeng would send you tape. In fact, I'll call and ask for some, and some velcro. Yours for $15. Quite a nice piece, as advertised in most mc magazines. I doubt it would work on many sportbikes. It probably needs more space than they offer. If you're on a non-sportbike list, please fwd this. I'm trying to reduce my collection of stuff before I move this summer. Thanks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 02:54:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA00386; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09768; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA21718; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomzell (Pool-207-205-219-244.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.244]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA11821; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:53:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980206025204.0076c520@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 02:52:04 -0500 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Ride, Anyone?? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With my VFR being the cold natured s.o.b. that SHE is I would also prefer 11am or so over anything earlier. It takes my a while just to get her started let alone running smoothly... but once she's warm.... Tom Zell '86 VFR700/750F zellto@XXXXXX At 12:36 AM 2/5/98 EST, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 98-02-04 17:37:25 EST, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: > ><< Okay, that leads to the next discussion...what time is good for everyone > to start out? > Me, myself, am planning on being up kinda late Friday, so I wouldn't > mind a later star >> > >I'd prefer an 11:00 am start time, later is probably ok, but definately NOT >earlier..... (gotta get my beauty sleep) ;D > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 09:49:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04729; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13346; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27282; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:48:06 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id WUCMa18883; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:46:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6153db24.34db2238@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:46:14 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, SUPERFND@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Saturday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/5/98 11:14:33 PM, ghowell@XXXXXX wrote: <<> The Virginia and D.C. riders could meet at the Exxon at the Exorcist >Steps>> works for me! Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 09:51:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04771; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13387; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27398; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:51:01 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id 1KENa10180 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:50:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:50:26 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: SATURDAY RIDE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 so can we confirm 11:00 am at the Exorcist Steps?? (don't forget your holy water) Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 10:01:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04944; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13479; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27667; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA20955 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA07424 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:00:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980206150023.VHGU480@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:00:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 09:57 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: In Search of....No MC Content... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980206150023.VHGU480@[166.41.242.141]> It had to happen. I knew it was just a matter of time. My roomates girlfriend has been working her slow black magic and has somehow convinced him they should "live together" =:-0 I tried to explain that nothing less than his very soul was at stake, but the spell has been successfully cast, and the victim will vacate by the end of February after two years. So, that leaves me with a big house and a bunch of empty rooms. If anyone is interested, details follow. If you know someone who might be interested, I'd appreciate the referral and will pay you $25 if they turn out to be my next roommate. This is really a great deal as the rent covers two rooms for your exclusive use! Did I mention I live close to some pretty cool riding roads? Well, I do! Ride to work on the I95 HOV! Only 20 minutes to the Potomac river! Thanks, Todd ps, If you/they would like to move in immediately, call me now and I'll work out a good deal for you. I have a room available right now. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ISO one professional M/F, non-smoker, 24-40 years old, no pets, w/references, to share a very large home with me. The home is in a quiet neighborhood three miles west of Springfield Mall and the new Park and Ride/Metro station. The house is less than a mile off of the Springfield/Franconia Parkway, and w/in a mile of four popular grocers. The home is bi-level with wall-to-wall carpet, central heating and AC and is situated as follows: Upper floor: - Large kitchen with d/w, gas stove, micro-wave - Hardwood floored dining room with walkout to screened porch - Furnished living room, TV. - attic w/scuttle access - Full Bathroom - Bedroom - Master bed/bath Lower floor: - Two Bedrooms - Wash room with w/d, ironing - Furnished Rec-Room, TV, fireplace, darts - Full Bathroom For rent are the two downstairs bedrooms. That's right two rooms for the price of one (in most locations). The larger room is a corner room and is approximately 13x12 ft with a 5x2 closet and two windows. The smaller room is approximately 9x12 with a 4x2 closet and a single window. My roommate uses the smaller room as his office. The bathroom downstairs is your responsibility and on occassion could be used by guests. Rent: $575 + $350 sec. deposit w/lease, includes all utilities (Gas, Electric, Water, Cable, Trash-Pickup, Telephone) and maid service. Long distance phone calls charged monthly. $590 with less than 1-year lease. Contact: Todd (703) 644-2695, or e-mail todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Water/Sewer $ 25 Trash Pickup 20 Phone 35 Cable 50 Gas 60 Electric 90 Maid Service 50 (approximate / negotiable) ---- $330 / 2 = $165 in amenities, making rent $410 for two rooms!!!!!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 10:02:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04969; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13593; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27716; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA06808 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:01:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv2-14.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.78) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006683; Fri Feb 6 09:01:03 1998 Message-ID: <34DB397C.14CF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 08:25:32 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Baltimore Bike Show,Admission price ?/ Directions and Times Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know how much the tickets at the door are for the Baltimore Bike Show the 14th of Feb? I don know the admission price but I can help with the hours and locations. It is at the Convention center, across form the Days Inn Inner Harbor. The brochures directions read I95 to 395 exit, then off at Conway St. to Convention Center which will be on your left. Ive been there before, its pretty well marked, but you do have to search around looking for an open parking gargage for cheap parking. Hours are fri 6pm to Midnite Sat 10am to 10pm Sun 10a, to 6pm. Although the brochure I have does not list the admission price, do bring your AMA or ABATE cards for a Dollar(whoopee!!!) off. -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 10:06:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05074; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13705; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27856; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA27555; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:04:56 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6EC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: SATURDAY RIDE Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:02:43 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yep, it's a go. > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 06, 1998 9:50 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: SATURDAY RIDE > > so can we confirm 11:00 am at the Exorcist Steps?? > (don't forget your holy water) > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 10:14:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05229; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13801; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28043; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA28594; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:07:19 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6ED@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: This Junkie Got Her Fix Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:05:06 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain this morning! Thank Goddess the weather forecasters were right. My ride was short, sweet & beautiful & I didn't even run into any standing water on the way in and didn't even have to turn the electrics on. Sweet Spring is upon us... ; ) - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 10:42:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05991; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14447; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:42:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29585; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA11397; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA10669; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:42:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980206154204.QYZ452@XXXXXX>; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:42:04 -0600 Message-ID: <34DB2F4C.93DE4AE7@mci.com> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 10:42:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Baltimore Bike Show,Admission price ? References: <34DB397C.14CF@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last year it was $12 for adults, $6 for kids. Dale (the Horkster) Ken S. asked: > > Anyone know how much the tickets at the door are for the Baltimore > Bike Show the 14th of Feb? I don know the admission price but I can > help with the hours and locations. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 10:50:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06112; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14686; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29823; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:50:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802061550.KAA29823@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id DQ557VTH; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:59:01 -0500 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Demo Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 10:51:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Sunday Ride? In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6EC@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I can't make the Saturday ride... anyone riding Sunday? Looks like the weather is going to be decent both days. Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 10:58:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06219; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14761; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00109; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12571 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:56:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21065 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:56:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802061556.KAA21065@shell.clark.net> Subject: April '96 Cycle World To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:56:30 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Does anyone have Cycle World from April 1996? They have an article comparing different riding jackets (Aerostich Darien, Motoport, and some others). The library across the street was supposed to have it, but apparently it got up and walked out all by itself one day. I'm looking into getting the Darien Jacket and Pants, but want to be sure I do my research for alternatives before I jump in. (i.e. not buy it just because it's an Aerostich) Thanks, Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | Capital 1000 - Entrant #19 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 11:20:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07000; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15184; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01430; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA15504 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:21:34 -0500 Message-ID: <34DB3828.D68B8ADC@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 11:19:52 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This Junkie Got Her Fix References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB6ED@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agree. The ride in this morning was great! First, as was mentioned, it sure feels good to ride in weather that isn't rain. Second, I95 HOV restrictions were lifted this morning because of an accident, the HOV lanes came to a stop about 1/4 mile AFTER I got off of them. Third on the ramp to I495 west, there was an 18 wheeler that was having trouble with the cages, I called him on the CB and told him to speed up a little and jump in front of me. He liked that. Then he returned the favor by moving over onto 495 and letting me go past him on the merge lane. Finally, the last curve just before the parking garage was dry and I was able to pass 3 cars going through it. Leon. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > this morning! Thank Goddess the weather forecasters were right. My > ride was short, sweet & beautiful & I didn't even run into any standing > water on the way in and didn't even have to turn the electrics on. > Sweet Spring is upon us... ; ) > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 11:35:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07634; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15568; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02400; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 06 Feb 1998 11:29:03 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 11:35:13 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: SATURDAY RIDE Yes, the folks from Virginia and D.C. and at least one rider from Maryland will leave the Exorcist Steps at the edge of Georgetown at 11am. We might pick up a GPZ, YZF and others when we get to the Maryland side of Great Falls. See you a little before eleven for Marcy's blessing of the bikes! Sean '95 F3 (Anyone not sure of the meeting place, please let me know!) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so can we confirm 11:00 am at the Exorcist Steps?? (don't forget your holy water) Marcy <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 11:42:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07892; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15691; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02994; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA23576; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:35:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:35:05 -0500 (EST) From: Julie and/or Mark Holm Reply-To: Julie and/or Mark Holm To: Nasty Girlie Gang -- Beth Mills , Cindy Knox , Emma Holmes , Gaye Oliver , Helynne G , Jackqueline Kowtko , Jill Hayhurst , Louise Horner , maxine , Robyn King-Nitschke , Shirley Soldin , Su Lennox-Beals , Sue Johnson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Short Bikers' List" , Women in Sport Touring List Subject: Northern Virginia MSF News Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am organizing an MSF Experienced Rider course in the Washington DC Area for Internet based riders. Previously I posted that the course would be on either June 7 or 14. I have just received word that we cannot have the 7th of June. They may be opening up some Saturday dates, and if they do, she will contact us. I have currently 6 attendees confirmed for the class. DETAILS; The Class will be held on Sunday, June 14 At Northern VA Community College on Rte 7 in Sterling VA. Time is all day, approx 8 - 6 Cost is $55. YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE A VIRGINIA RESIDENT You need to bring your bike, and appropriate safety gear; i.e. helmet, gloves, boots, long sleeved jacket are the minimum. TO register, send $55 check, dated April 1, 1998 to Julie HOlm 9617 Verdict Drive Vienna, VA 22181 Along with name, address, day and night phone and SSN. Thanks. Julie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 12:53:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09487; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17121; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06342; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1NQM0ATA>; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:56:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: April '96 Cycle World Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:51:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I've got every Cycle World back to January 1986 so I think I can help you here. Would you like me to make a copy for you? Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Does anyone have Cycle World from April 1996? They have an article > comparing different riding jackets (Aerostich Darien, Motoport, and some > others). The library across the street was supposed to have it, but > apparently it got up and walked out all by itself one day. > > I'm looking into getting the Darien Jacket and Pants, but want to be sure > I do my research for alternatives before I jump in. (i.e. not buy it > just because it's an Aerostich) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 12:56:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09537; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17151; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06437; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.28]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA26818; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:55:33 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: , , "DC Cycles List" Subject: Re: Baltimore Bike Show,Admission price ? Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:52:30 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3327$fe8349c0$6b4c440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Y'all-- The Dirt Shop in College Park has discount coupons. Probably all the other shops do too. I forget how much, probably a dollar or two. later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 6 13:41:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10399; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19142; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo30.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08035; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:41:22 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id UNUSa08035; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:40:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:40:47 EST To: SUPERFND@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: SATURDAY RIDE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/6/98 11:45:50 AM, SUPERFND@XXXXXX wrote: << See you a little before eleven for Marcy's blessing of the bikes! Sean>> LOL....ok I'll try to think of something suitable ;D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 7 02:06:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23020; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 02:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04854; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 02:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25140; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 02:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.143] (unverified [207.226.128.143]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 07 Feb 1998 02:11:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sunday Ride? Date: Sat, 7 Feb 98 02:06:21 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I can't make the Saturday ride... anyone riding Sunday? Looks like the >weather is going to be decent both days. I'm out on Saturday also. Sunday might be a possibility. Maybe. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 7 11:39:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27397; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:39:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09651; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from elwood.cais.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29187; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.161.65.74] (richwest.cais.com [206.161.65.74]) by elwood.cais.com (8.8.7/Elwood) with ESMTP id LAA21548 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:38:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:38:28 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: richwest@XXXXXX Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich Westbrook Subject: Re: Sunday Ride? I'm up for a Sunday ride. Can't make the Saturday >>I can't make the Saturday ride... anyone riding Sunday? Looks like the >>weather is going to be decent both days. > >I'm out on Saturday also. Sunday might be a possibility. > >Maybe. > >-George Richard Westbrook From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 8 03:07:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08658; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 03:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA14594; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 03:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA11398; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 03:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id DAA29145; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 03:14:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 03:13:56 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: troubleshooting/maintenence class Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If any of you are interested (or even if you're not!), I'll be teaching an elementary motorcycle maintenance and troubleshooting class, starting Monday, Feb 16. This one's for less experienced riders; if I have time, I'll do an intermediate level later. Time: 8-9:30 p.m. Day: Mondays Dates: runs 6-8 weeks, starting February 16. Location: Washington, DC, near Zoo (Mt. Pleasant) Class size limit: 8 Cost: $40 (includes course materials) For more details, or if you have questions or want to sign up, call me at 202-234-9229 (2-11 p.m.) or (better) email to garicao@XXXXXX or garicao@XXXXXX. Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 8 16:47:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15776; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19056; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18899; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA27045 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:45:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv3-06.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.70) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027005; Sun Feb 8 15:45:04 1998 Message-ID: <34DE3471.6E0D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 14:40:49 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: WoW, Everybody must have had a really great weekend riding Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Cant get better weather for riding, and the DC list has been dead. Hope everybody had a great, and safe riding weekend. Look forward to seeing many of you at the Baltimore Bike show. I will be there Saturday Morning. Later.. -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 8 17:26:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16285; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19843; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19419; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:26:40 -0500 (EST) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc1-s30.wizard.net [206.161.15.60]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29981 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:26:53 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980208172536.0092bc90@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 17:25:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greetings all. I am about to buy a 1980 CX500 (don't laugh, its my first bike) this week, and i was looking around for some info on what clothing to buy. I want to be adaquately protected just in case i do fall. Is a jacket, boots, and gloves (and a helmet, of course) enough? What else should I get, if anything? What store(s) has a good selection and/or good prices? I don't want to get racer-style gear, or anything with fringes. My thinking now is that I will get gloves with good abrasion protection, a regular heavy leather jacket (short, above the waist style, some armor is a possibility), and some inexpensive boots. But with all that on, plus jeans, will I melt in Washington's lovely summer heat? (i probably won't ride below 40 degrees, maybe 50). Oh, and i don't want to spend a fortune. Well, any info would be appreciated. I need to look the bike over, take the MSF class, and get my license, but I hope to be out riding soon! Thanks, Tom p.s. - I searched some of the archives, and found some info, but not really enough to answer all my questions. Also, if anyone out there owns or has owned a CX500/GL500, I would like to hear from you. Thx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 8 17:45:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16522; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20413; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19575; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cagw2.att.com; Sun Feb 8 17:41 EST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com (dcn72.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.2]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id SAA00106 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:00:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD34B9.874FF400@XXXXXX>; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:46:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dow, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'thetrick@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:46:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *SNIP* > I want to be adaquately protected just in case i do fall. Is a >jacket, boots, and gloves (and a helmet, of course) enough? *SNIP Tom, You're probably going to want pants of some kind, especially this time of year, unless you've got some Cordura boxers. . . =) Just kidding. I would recommend leather chaps at least, to cover your jeans, if not leather pants as well. I went down in jeans a couple of years ago, and have some nasty road rash on my knees because I wasn't wearing leather. I'm probably going to invest in some Vanson leather pants as soon as I can afford it (that's why I'm at work now, trying to get some OT!). >-Sash From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 8 18:25:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17185; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21753; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20213; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id RAA28138 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:24:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA02512 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.179]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980208232449.DKYB452@XXXXXX> for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:24:49 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:22:57 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD34BE.94419B00.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Newbie Riding Gear Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:22:53 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's easy to spend a fortune getting geared up. Riderwearhouse/Aerostich would fix you up with everything you would ever need, however, be prepared to spend in excess of $1k. There are lots of alternatives for less, but in most cases you'll be losing something in protection. There are riding suits in cordura instead of leather. Remember that leather is not warm, so you have to leave enough room to dress warmly underneath. Armor is necessary in whichever way you go. Also, regular jeans offer almost no protection in a get-off. Lots of folks ride just with jeans, but allot fewer after their first mishap. You can get kevlar reinforced jeans that look the same but would offer some protection from road rash. Best, would be leather riding pants or an armored/padded cordura pants. I have a Fieldsheer cordura riding suit and know from experience that it offers pretty good protection at a 50 mph get-off. For hot weather riding, look for ventilation panels/zippers/perforations so you can get some air inside the suit. Washington is deadly in the summer and it's very tempting to leave off the heavy stuff, but try to tough it out. Especially until you've gained some confidence in your riding skills. If you want to see what really protects, look at what the racers wear. Go to the local bike shops and find something that meets your needs. You may be able to get the same thing cheaper from mail order. It's also good policy to support our local merchants but not to point of getting reamed price-wise. You'll probably end up with several pairs of gloves. Get gloves that have some reinforcement on the knuckles and palm. I have insulated gloves for when it gets chilly, electric gloves when it's downright cold and lighter gloves for the summer. Remember that the dye used in leather will end up on your hands if your gloves get wet or sweaty. You can also try glove liners to increase the warmth of a pair of gloves. Layering is the key to staying warm when it's cold. Make sure your boots are sturdy. Waterproof would help when it starts to rain unexpectedly. Rubber rain boots (Totes) are good protection if you have cargo space on the bike as well as rubber gloves worn over to keep your riding gloves dry. Whatever you get, look to see that the seams are sturdy and that it fits snugly. And sign up for that MSF class ASAP. As you probably already know, it will help you get your mc license by taking the place of the road test (assuming you pass). Welcome to the list and enjoy your bike. We'll be looking for you on one of our group rides sometime in the future. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: thetrick@XXXXXX [SMTP:thetrick@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, February 08, 1998 5:26 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Greetings all. I am about to buy a 1980 CX500 (don't laugh, its my first bike) this week, and i was looking around for some info on what clothing to buy. I want to be adaquately protected just in case i do fall. Is a jacket, boots, and gloves (and a helmet, of course) enough? What else should I get, if anything? What store(s) has a good selection and/or good prices? I don't want to get racer-style gear, or anything with fringes. My thinking now is that I will get gloves with good abrasion protection, a regular heavy leather jacket (short, above the waist style, some armor is a possibility), and some inexpensive boots. But with all that on, plus jeans, will I melt in Washington's lovely summer heat? (i probably won't ride below 40 degrees, maybe 50). Oh, and i don't want to spend a fortune. Well, any info would be appreciated. I need to look the bike over, take the MSF class, and get my license, but I hope to be out riding soon! Thanks, Tom p.s. - I searched some of the archives, and found some info, but not really enough to answer all my questions. Also, if anyone out there owns or has owned a CX500/GL500, I would like to hear from you. Thx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 8 19:28:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18284; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22004; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21504; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA29441; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:27:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv3-52.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.116) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028326; Sun Feb 8 18:23:29 1998 Message-ID: <34DE59A4.1125@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 17:19:32 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thetrick@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fisrt set of Riding Clothes. References: <3.0.5.32.19980208172536.0092bc90@mail.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thetrick@XXXXXX wrote: > i was looking around for some info on what clothing to > buy. I want to be adaquately protected just in case i do fall. Is a > jacket, boots, and gloves (and a helmet, of course) enough? What else > should I get, if anything? What store(s) has a good selection and/or good > prices? I don't want to get racer-style gear, or anything with fringes. > My thinking now is that I will get gloves with good abrasion protection, a > regular heavy leather jacket (short, above the waist style, some armor is a > possibility), and some inexpensive boots. But with all that on, plus > jeans, will I melt in Washington's lovely summer heat? (i probably won't > ride below 40 degrees, maybe 50). Oh, and i don't want to spend a fortune. Boots, For a cheap first set, Fins a pair of full weather Mil surplus Combat Boots. They can be had for twenrty or thirty bucks, have a good sole and will do to start. Stay away from cowboy style boots if they have a leather sole. (Can be slippery when wet hehe).. Catalogs stores like the Sportsmans Guide sell tons of inexpensive leather footwear in a wide variety that will get yu started. Boots like Timberlands Etc, arent bad but there expensive. Any motorcycle Shop will have gloves, youll need at least two pair, maybe three plus a set of liners for when its really cold. But they are not expensive. I wear unlined leather gloves even on the hottest of days, Just because I find it reduces fatigue. Cheap dept store gloves wil have dyes that run and in my experience wont hold up as well as Moto specific gloves. I have a pair of Yamaha unlined gloves, back when they sold there Venture from about 1985 that although ratty looking, are still serviceable. Javkets choice could start a flame war, but here there are few compromises. Basically you get what you pay for. A cheap $89.00 'Biker' Jacket from the Penneys Catalog will do a passable job for a while if you dont mind snaps that dont stay snapped and Epaulets that blow in the wind. Here you really just have to look around and decide what features/value you want. And/or consider some of the synthetic alternatives from Aerostitch etc. that are in the Riders Wearhouse Catalog http://www.aerostich.com/aerostich they also have other stuff, gloves etc, but are on the pricey side, But it is IMHO good stuff. Its a neat catalog to order anyway for any motorcyclist. Finally if you really think your going to go riding in the forties, You better consider something for your legs. Chaps at a minimum or leather ot synthetic insulated pants. you wont believe how fast and how much heat youll lose through your legs at 40 degrees on any kind of decent ride, and longjohns just dont do the trick with jeans alone. Helmets are another hot button issue, I personally have four in the house, mainly two full face I wear in the winter months, a 3/4 and a Shorty for in the summer in the heat, the wife wont ride in the real cold and has a 3/4 with a full faceshield for thre season use. But thats definitely a personal thing. Another few ideas are a silk or poly balaclava or at the least neck warmer. well that should be more than enough to get you started, Moto gear is addicting and youllf find yourself constantly looking at equipment and accesories. -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 8 21:18:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19667; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22710; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22882; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.21]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA11875; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 02:17:10 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: newbie gear Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:14:03 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3500$64b38280$6b4c440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sadly, good protection, low price, and good ventilation don't go together. Choose any two. I've done pretty well year-round in a FirstgearTKO jacket. Could be cooler when it's hot, warmer when it's cold, but for 6 years and 40000 miles it did the job. About $400, I'd say. Last fall I got a great deal on good winter jacket and some leather pants, previously owned, from lister Colleen, MotorLE@XXXXXX. She's got a huge inventory of stuff and is very honest. This summer I hope to get a new Vanson perforated suit, $1200. I wear hiking boots and usually jeans, even tho I should wear leather pants. Don't get chaps. They leave unprotected the area you're most likely to land on. Don't get non-motorcycle leather. Fashion stuff offers more protection than jeans, but not much. I recommend Shoei or Arai full face helmets, whichever brand feels best for you and the model with the features you want to pay for. They're the quietest, best built helmets around, and if you ever need a spare shield or something, _every_ cycle shop in the world sells them. Not so the other brands. CX500s seem to be good bikes. A couple of people on the list have/had them. Good luck Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 8 22:14:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20337; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23101; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from elwood.cais.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23769; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.161.65.74] (richwest.cais.com [206.161.65.74]) by elwood.cais.com (8.8.7/Elwood) with ESMTP id WAA27561 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:14:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:14:05 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: richwest@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980208172536.0092bc90@mail.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich Westbrook Subject: Re: newbie gear A great place to go to first for great deals is Colleen Bray. (I have to give her a plug) She is on this list and has a great selection of used leather. her e-mail is MotorLE@XXXXXX. I just bought a pair of leather pants and saddlebags from her at about half the price and they are in perfect condition. I would recomend trying her first. >Greetings all. I am about to buy a 1980 CX500 (don't laugh, its my first >bike) this week, and i was looking around for some info on what clothing to >buy. I want to be adaquately protected just in case i do fall. Richard Westbrook From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 00:15:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22107; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA26203; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25393; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA17806 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:36:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:36:17 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbie gear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lotds of good recomendations so-far.. all bassed on experience. It's yet to be shown if you plan on being a cold weather rider, or more of a fair-weather rider. Most people starting out tend to be fair-weather (Jeannette's an exception here). You should focus on the time of year you'll be doing most of your riding - if it'll be mainly in the summer, make sure you pay a little extra for vents. If you'll be a 3 season person, look for vented but closeable vents - you get the idea. As has been previously stated, you get what you pay for. I'm a firm believer in being protected - probably why my gear costs 2x's what my last bike was worth. Bike's will come and go, but I've only one body and if I hurt it in a crash because I put more money into the bike than protection, not only tdo I have to suffer pain, I might not be able to do all the things I want to in my life. A LOT of people don't follow this believe (look at the people that allow us to steriotype Harley riders). It's ultimatally your decision. I agree with Kevin and Rich about talking to Colleen, having receintally met her - I think she's of high moral value, and she's just damn cool to boot. So you know what I ride with, I'll just breifly go over a list... Aerostich Roadcrafter 1-piece cordura suit - $800 ($600 inperfects) Held Gloves - 3 pair at $120 apiece (Notice I race too - working computer support for a job - I need my hands and fingers in good condition and spare nothing here). Arai Quantium/E Helmet - ?$320? - has vents that work, and a kickin helmet Aerostich/Sidi Combat touring boots - $250 - waterproff seems to be an understatement. For racing I have (will have)- Full Vanson Leathers, Arai Helmet (RR7-RX3?), Alpinestarts GP-Tech boots, and the above mentioned Held gloves. Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - Next? (street) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) 83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 03:53:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA24271; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA29683; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA27817; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA08932; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:47:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:43:58 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Ride, Anyone?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 mdow@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm in. I'll bring my chain oil with me so someone can help me oil the > chain. I HATE not having a centerstand. It takes me half an hour and > about 18 feet to do it by myself! -Sash What kind of lube are you using?When I had the 'Blade,I used Maxima Chain Wax.It went on real quick with very little overspray and had very little fling after it dried. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 09:33:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27240; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09153; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01597; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA25090 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 06:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD353D.535D42E0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:30:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Plans? Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:29:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's start early ... I realize it's only Monday, but I will start the Baltimore Bike Show Planning. I am going to be there Saturday am. Weather forecast looks good, so I will most likely ride up in time to be there shortly after the show starts. I think it opens on Sat at 10:00 am???, so that would mean leaving here (Alexandria) around 9 am. If anyone wants to ride up with me, please let me know. I will most likely head through the city on 395/New York Ave., then up the Balt Wash. pkwy to the end. The BW pkwy ends right about Camden Yards, and the convention center is a few blocks toward the Harbor from there. I'll just park in a garage and do the show thing. I'll come home when I've seen enough, which probably means around 2 PM. If you don't care to ride up, just let me know where to hook up with you all at the show. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 10:28:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28140; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12386; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02944; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:28:08 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id 1CUIa10180 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:27:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4474e2bd.34df2060@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:27:23 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: center stand vs side stand Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 is there any particular reason I should try to park the bike using the center stand rather than the side stand? I know a couple people who always use their center stand ........... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 10:32:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28224; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12467; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:31:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03028; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:31:55 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id 1AINa05584 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:31:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5471bc3e.34df215f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:31:41 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Saturday's Ride to the Frozen Tundra Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 thanks Sean for a great ride! (we won't mention the part where you got lost! ;D ) this newbie learned how to ride one-handed with her left hand stuck as far up in the engine as possible (DAMN did it get cold ... must get electric gloves!!!) I started to get a good feel for really leaning into the turns as well ...... FUN FUN FUN ..... although we could have rode to New York and half-way back in the time we were out! anyone want to comment on WHERE we went? I don't have a clue. :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 10:46:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28485; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12946; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03511; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:45:46 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id JNFJa10849; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:44:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <551b1bc0.34df2462@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:44:32 EST To: MEIERCH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Plans? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-02-09 10:04:47 EST, you write: << I realize it's only Monday, but I will start the Baltimore Bike Show Planning. I am going to be there Saturday am. ... I will most likely head through the city on 395/New York Ave., then up the Balt Wash. pkwy >> Have you ever tried staying on 395/295 to it's end after the Pennsylvania Ave. Bridge over the Anacostia. If you take a left at the first light over the bridge it puts you on 295 North. You can follow that to the BW Parkway, 50, etc. You only hit 2 lights going through town this way. Unfortunately, it won't work coming from the north. From the north Howard Rd. works fairly well. Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 10:49:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28558; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13032; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03608; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.130.231] (207-172-130-231.s40.as12.col.erols.com [207.172.130.231]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23682 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:54:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:54:11 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: r.chapin@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4474e2bd.34df2060@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ryan Chapin Subject: Re: center stand vs side stand It depends on where you park your bike. If it lives outside in some parking lot, definately the side stand. Here's why . . when the bike is parked on a side stand it is much more stable and less apt to fall over, it has three points touching the ground, much like a tripod and the weight is distrubuted better over these points. A bike that is on the centerstand can blow over in strong wind, someone can bump it with their car in the lot, etc etc, all leading to your bike flopping down on the cement. However, if you have a garage, its better to leave the bike on the center stand as you unload the rear suspension, take the pressure off the tire, etc, etc, a good idea when its going to sit in once place for any extended period of time. . . >is there any particular reason I should try to park the bike using the center >stand rather than the side stand? I know a couple people who always use their >center stand ........... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 10:50:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28578; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13087; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03663; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA27934 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3548.8CA62CA0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:50:34 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'MARKSOMM@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Plans? Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:50:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX[SMTP:MARKSOMM@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, February 09, 1998 10:44 AM >To: MEIERCH@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Plans? > >In a message dated 98-02-09 10:04:47 EST, you write: > ><< I realize it's only Monday, but I will start the Baltimore Bike Show >Planning. I am going to be there Saturday am. ... I will most > likely head through the city on 395/New York Ave., then up the Balt > Wash. pkwy >> > >Have you ever tried staying on 395/295 to it's end after the Pennsylvania >Ave. >Bridge over the Anacostia. If you take a left at the first light over the >bridge it puts you on 295 North. You can follow that to the BW Parkway, 50, >etc. You only hit 2 lights going through town this way. Unfortunately, it >won't work coming from the north. From the north Howard Rd. works fairly >well. > >Mark Sommerfield Yes. That is the way I usually go. It depends on time of day and traffic. It is MUCH better now that the construction right at the Bladensburg/50 east/BW Pkwy interchange is finished. Sometimes, though, I like going through the tunnel and out NY Ave. Coming the other way, I usually exit at Suitland Pkwy make the first u-ey, and cross back over the Sousa Bridge onto South Cap, and then back onto 395 at the ramp about 8th street. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 10:52:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28612; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13124; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03734; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20223; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:52:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17646; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:52:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802091552.KAA17646@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Plans? To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:52:37 -0500 (EST) Cc: meierch@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <551b1bc0.34df2462@aol.com> from "MARKSOMM@aol.com" at Feb 9, 98 10:44:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > In a message dated 98-02-09 10:04:47 EST, you write: > > << I realize it's only Monday, but I will start the Baltimore Bike Show > Planning. I am going to be there Saturday am. ... I will most > likely head through the city on 395/New York Ave., then up the Balt > Wash. pkwy >> > > Have you ever tried staying on 395/295 to it's end after the Pennsylvania Ave. > Bridge over the Anacostia. If you take a left at the first light over the > bridge it puts you on 295 North. You can follow that to the BW Parkway, 50, > etc. You only hit 2 lights going through town this way. Unfortunately, it > won't work coming from the north. From the north Howard Rd. works fairly > well. Note, it isn't really 395 at that point. 395 exits off and heads up to NY Ave. It's the SE/SW freeway (thru-way). As if you are going to watch DC United play soccer. Take the exit onto PA ave, then stay to the left to turn onto 295. It's much faster than 395 to NY Ave. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | Entrant #19, Capital 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 11:02:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28818; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13398; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.visa.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27293; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA17180 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:01:01 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:01:01 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: center stand vs side stand Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:02:54 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT >is there any particular reason I should try to park the bike using the center >stand rather than the side stand? I know a couple people who always use their >center stand ........... Fairly critical if you're riding a BMW boxer twin - assorted fluids tend to gather in the low cylinder and can cause interesting effects upon starting. For almost any other cylinder configuration, the sidestand is quite adequate, and generally more secure than the centerstand (broader base). Use of the centerstand, however, does greatly facilitate the removal of a wheel or chain maintenance. Cheers, Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 11:39:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29660; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13887; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05275; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:32:31 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:38:48 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat. Ride to the Tundra Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Sat. Ride to the Tundra Eleven riders showed up at the Exorcist Steps on Saturday morning. In rough order of appearance, the riders were: Michael Jordan, GSX 1100 Louis Caplan, Concours Curtis Clements, Ninja EX 500 Jeannette O'Brien, Interceptor Sash Dow, Magna Don Wu, Hawk GT Morris Berman, GPZ 1100 Art Redman, GSXR 750 Tom Zell, VFR 750 Marcy Rye, CB-1 and me, F3 It was great to see this many people on an cool, overcast day. The list is going to have some huge rides come summer. We took MacArthur Blvd. out of the city and out along the Potomac River, then aimed north to Catoctin Park. We had lunch at "Cafe on the Rocks" (or something similar) near Point of Rocks, Md., and took a group photo. Snow lined the route as we went up into the mountains, water ran across the road in a couple of spots and the air was colder.We went across the northern edge of the park and then back through the tight road through the park, then headed for home. The ride stuck mostly to smaller roads and pretty country, roads I saw for the first time and would like to do again. The trip took a little longer than I expected, and when we got back to around Frederick, Md., we jumped on 270 South to get back to D.C. in a hurry. Looking forward to the next ride! Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks Sean for a great ride! (we won't mention the part where you got lost! ;D ) this newbie learned how to ride one-handed with her left hand stuck as far up in the engine as possible (DAMN did it get cold ... must get electric gloves!!!) I started to get a good feel for really leaning into the turns as well ...... FUN FUN FUN ..... although we could have rode to New York and half-way back in the time we were out! anyone want to comment on WHERE we went? I don't have a clue. :D Marcy <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 11:53:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29929; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14142; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05824; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA12183; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:51:29 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D419CB6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anyone Ride Yesterday? Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:49:21 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain It was GORGEOUS!! I took a semi-short ride with a fellow rider & didn't want to get off my babyceptor except I was pretty tired from the 5+ hour Saturday Ride to the Tundra...hee hee - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 11:56:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00024; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14178; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05974; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A4C13901C2; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:54:25 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980209115114.009fa9c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:51:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: center stand vs side stand In-Reply-To: <4474e2bd.34df2060@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:27 AM 2/9/98 EST, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >is there any particular reason I should try to park the bike using the center >stand rather than the side stand? I know a couple people who always use their >center stand ........... I recommend the sidestand, with the cycle's front wheel turned toward the sidestand (to the left). This keeps the bike lower that when on a centerstand, and turning the wheel to the left puts more weight on the sidestand, making it harder for the bike to blow over. In warm weather, be sure to put something under the sidestand so the sidestand doesn't sink into the hot pavement. Last week, a new BMW R1100RT blew over, and I was parked only a few feet away. The BMW had the steering turned to the right (so the steering lock would work). Between that and the full fairing and enclosed bodywork, the wind just blew it over (there were witnesses). My old Honda, with a fairing, trunk and saddlebags, but on its sidestand with the wheel turned to the left, was okay. The only exception I can think of to using the sidestand would be with BMW K-bikes that are prone to filling the cylinder heads with oil when leaned over. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 12:17:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00458; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14558; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06661; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cagw2.att.com; Mon Feb 9 10:45 EST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com (dcn72.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.2]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA15273 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3548.A9B21660@XXXXXX>; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:51:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dow, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Saturday's Ride to the Frozen Tundra Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:51:22 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ditto here! Thanks Sean! I'm not sure if the snow only made it SEEM colder, but it got chilly going over those mountains. I was thanking my lucky stars I had that little windshield on the Magna, esp with the perforated jacket. Catoctin Park was cool. Might like to head back up there for some hiking. Amazingly, I only got a little bunwhacked towards the end of the ride, when it was mainly highway-slab. Usually 1.5 hours in the saddle and I'm really squirming. -Sash Michael A. Dow LAN Support Team AT&T, Dulles Corner (703) 713-7062 >---------- >From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, February 09, 1998 10:31 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Saturday's Ride to the Frozen Tundra > >thanks Sean for a great ride! (we won't mention the part where you got lost! >;D ) >this newbie learned how to ride one-handed with her left hand stuck as far up >in the engine as possible (DAMN did it get cold ... must get electric >gloves!!!) I started to get a good feel for really leaning into the turns as >well ...... FUN FUN FUN ..... although we could have rode to New York and >half-way back in the time we were out! > >anyone want to comment on WHERE we went? I don't have a clue. >:D > >Marcy > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 12:19:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00495; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14578; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06711; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cagw2.att.com; Mon Feb 9 10:47 EST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com (dcn72.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.2]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA16095 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3548.EDA51B60@XXXXXX>; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:53:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dow, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: center stand vs side stand Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:53:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would use the centerstand if it were to be windy out, or if there was even the remotest possibility of getting love-tapped by a cage. Also wish I had a centerstand to make oiling the chain easier. -Sash Michael A. Dow LAN Support Team AT&T, Dulles Corner (703) 713-7062 >---------- >From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, February 09, 1998 10:27 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: center stand vs side stand > >is there any particular reason I should try to park the bike using the center >stand rather than the side stand? I know a couple people who always use their >center stand ........... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 12:31:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00686; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14786; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:31:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07057; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA29151; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:29:42 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D419CB8@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'thetrick@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Newbie Gear/Website Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:27:33 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD3556.659253B0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD3556.659253B0 Content-Type: text/plain Being a semi-newbie myself, I figure I'll tell you what I bought and my gear has probably cost more than my bike did, too. I agree with the idea that the gear is the most important 'cause if you go down your body's your only one, right?? * Firstgear Sport Touring Overpants (leather) $300 (these are great because you can wear any pants under them, so you can go from your ride out to dinner!! hee hee) * HCG helmet ($168 or so, it was discontiued so it was cheap), but I want the Arai Quantum which will cost about $360+) My HCG helmet is WAY too heavy! * Jacket (I had my jacket from my punk rock days, it was only $100...great price & it's a good jacket, but I want a Vanson jacket with venting 'cause my jacket's really hot in the summer) * Gloves - 2 pair, one electric ($140) & one light leather for summer ($25) * Boots - FirstGear Commander Boots $158 - great boots. They keep my feet very warm in the cold & are waterproof but don't make my feet sweat when it's warm. * Electric jacket liner, which you won't need 'cause you don't ride in the cold, you said. What I do want is some armoured leather, but it's price prohibitive for me right now. I figure you can never be too protected 'cause the street is really hard, ya know? (I haven't gone down yet, but I'm crossing my fingers & knocking on wood...) Check out this website for Kiernan Racing Supply. They have better prices than I've seen in any store & they're very helpful. - Jeannette ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD3556.659253B0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Kiernan Racing Supplies and Motorcycle Access..url" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Kiernan Racing Supplies and Motorcycle Access..url" [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD3556.659253B0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 12:35:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00780; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14956; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07284; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08269 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:35:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18236 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:35:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802091735.MAA18236@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: center stand vs side stand To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:35:45 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980209115114.009fa9c0@mail.toward.com> from "Chris Norloff" at Feb 9, 98 11:51:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > At 10:27 AM 2/9/98 EST, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > >is there any particular reason I should try to park the bike using the center > >stand rather than the side stand? I know a couple people who always use their > >center stand ........... > > In warm weather, be sure to put something under the sidestand so the > sidestand doesn't sink into the hot pavement. I want to empathize this point. At the end of a HOG poker run, we were at Lone Star in Herndon. They had recently repaved the parking lot. This was on the Saturday of that weekend that tied the high temperature record. Within literally MINUTES, the side stands started sinking in the asphult. I had forgotten the wood board I use to block the side stand, so I used a towel that I had in my tank bag. Anything that will prevent the sun from shining on that piece of asphult will do the trick. Even a crushed soda can laying around on the street. If you want to get high tech, punch a hole in a corner and tie a string to it. When you leave the bike wrap the string on the handle bars. Then when you mount the bike, you can just pull the string to get whatever you put under the sidestand. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 12:36:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00802; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14989; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07313; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA24811; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:35:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA23815; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:35:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980209173558.EXWD452@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:35:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 12:32 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone Ride Yesterday? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980209173558.EXWD452@[166.41.242.141]> Jeannette wrote: >It was GORGEOUS!! I took a semi-short ride with a fellow rider & didn't >want to get off my babyceptor except I was pretty tired from the 5+ hour >Saturday Ride to the Tundra...hee hee I intended to take off toward Front Royal and then down to Luray and back home. Instead, after some business at the local Walmart, I just meandered from Telegraph road, north and west. You're right, it was a beautiful day. Since I was running close to home I stopped and had lunch and went right back out. Sigh, just looking outside wondering why we haven't figured out a way to play when we want to, and not work all the time. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 12:56:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01201; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15314; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07754; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:56:04 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id PBHIa14250; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:55:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:55:53 EST To: mdow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: Saturday's Ride to the Frozen Tundra Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/9/98 12:27:30 PM, mdow@XXXXXX wrote: <<, but it got chilly going over those mountains. I was thanking my lucky stars I had that little windshield on the Magna, esp with the perforated jacket. Catoctin Park was cool. Might like>> I on the other hand, used my BODY for a fairing BBRRRRRRRRRRRRR Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 13:13:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01623; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16370; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08376; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1NQM0Z1Y>; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:16:50 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sat. Ride to the Tundra Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:14:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) God I hope so. I posted almost every weekend last summer and the only person who *ever* wanted to go was Brian. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > It was great to see this many people on an cool, overcast day. The list is > going to have > some huge rides come summer. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 13:25:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01946; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17284; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08774; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA23266; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA01769; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:25:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980209182500.KNNL480@XXXXXX>; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:25:00 -0500 Message-ID: <34DF49FC.5DD6460A@mci.com> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:25:00 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Toppling Beemers References: <3.0.1.32.19980209115114.009fa9c0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > > Last week, a new BMW R1100RT blew over, and I was parked only a few feet > away. The BMW had the steering turned to the right (so the steering lock > would work). Between that and the full fairing and enclosed bodywork, the > wind just blew it over (there were witnesses). Chris, Just curious, was the Beemer on it's sidestand or centerstand? Not clear from your description. I'd be surprised if it blew off the sidestand, even with the wheel turned the wrong way. > The only exception I can think of to using the sidestand would be with BMW > K-bikes that are prone to filling the cylinder heads with oil when leaned > over. I never really gave that much thought until today, I guess that's one downside to the flat twin design. Maybe those H-D's with the V-twins aren't such a bad idea after all? :-) Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 13:43:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02330; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:43:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18377; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09350; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ITDM8ZWQ288ZNZWV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:42:55 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:41:30 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:41:30 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:42:28 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: Sat. Ride to the Tundra In-reply-to: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:42:29 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1269IFX2XZ8V X400-MTS-identifier: [;03143190208991/2326971@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Hey! I did that one ride... The thing for me is that once nice weather hits I like to take fairly long rides (12 hours or so with most of the time spent actually riding). I think the long rides scare newbies or those with little saddle time off and the short and/or local rides turn off those who think the bestest roads are in the mountains at least 3 hours away. It does seem like the list has seen a significant increase in actually riding together since the fall. I've been on the list for over 3 years and don't recall much in the way of ride requests until fairly recently. Kirk >God I hope so. I posted almost every weekend last summer and the only >person who *ever* wanted to go was Brian. > >Glenn Dysart >dysart@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > >> It was great to see this many people on an cool, overcast day. The >> list is going to have some huge rides come summer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 13:59:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02624; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19063; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10089; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA23295; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:00:45 -0500 Message-ID: <34DF51DD.178DA91C@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:58:38 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: My Saturday Ride References: <5471bc3e.34df215f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I participated in the 80th Crotona Midnight Run on Saturday night (actually since it started at midnight, we rode on Sunday) The weather was gorgeous. It was bright and warm, the roads were dry, there was little to no traffic. The Crotona Midnight Run is a time-speed-distance rally for motorcycles that starts in Yonkers, NY. We left at one minute intervals to ride north into Putnam County and had a two hour break at the Carmel Diner in Carmel, NY. The weather was bright, it was a full moon. It was warm, I doubt that the temperature ever got below 20, even up in the hills. The roads were dry although there was salt in a few corners, and there usually isn't much traffic between midnight and 6 AM. I didn't do so well on the scoring, I think I missed one checkpoint completely. Some of the other competitors mentioned that it was at a van that had a flag, but that no one was standing outside and they had no lights on. It was still a fun ride. Next year the ride will be sponsored by the Ramapo Motorcycle Club. Leon. JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote about frozen tunda: > thanks Sean for a great ride! (we won't mention the part where you got lost! > ;D ) > this newbie learned how to ride one-handed with her left hand stuck as far up > in the engine as possible (DAMN did it get cold ... must get electric > gloves!!!) I started to get a good feel for really leaning into the turns as > well ...... FUN FUN FUN ..... although we could have rode to New York and > half-way back in the time we were out! > > anyone want to comment on WHERE we went? I don't have a clue. > :D > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 14:05:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02712; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19198; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10326; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:04:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:58:18 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:04:53 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Plans? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Plans? Chris, I'm interested in riding to the Baltimore Bike Show. Should we meet you in Alexandria on Saturday morning? Where and what time? Thanks, Sean 95 F3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. That is the way I usually go. It depends on time of day and traffic. It is MUCH better now that the construction right at the Bladensburg/50 east/BW Pkwy interchange is finished. Sometimes, though, I like going through the tunnel and out NY Ave. Coming the other way, I usually exit at Suitland Pkwy make the first u-ey, and cross back over the Sousa Bridge onto South Cap, and then back onto 395 at the ramp about 8th street. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 14:05:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02718; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19203; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.CIRC.gwu.EDU by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10346; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (mpt@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13443; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mpt@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24471; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:05:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:04:59 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Tolocka To: Dale Horstman cc: Chris Norloff , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Toppling Beemers In-Reply-To: <34DF49FC.5DD6460A@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > The only exception I can think of to using the sidestand would be with BMW > > K-bikes that are prone to filling the cylinder heads with oil when leaned > > over. Do you mean R-Bikes? There's an article about this toppling of Beemers in www.motorcycle.com's review of the 1995 R1100RS, and how the toppling may make for some curious starting behavior. _aloha_ _Mike_ AMA#608333 1990 CB-1 _Keep the shiny side up_ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 14:08:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02775; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19242; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10453; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A3B7AD016E; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:06:31 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980209140636.009e62f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:06:36 -0500 To: DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Toppling Beemers In-Reply-To: <34DF49FC.5DD6460A@mci.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980209115114.009fa9c0@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:25 PM 2/9/98 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >Chris Norloff wrote: >> >> Last week, a new BMW R1100RT blew over, and I was parked only a few feet >> away. The BMW had the steering turned to the right (so the steering lock >> would work). Between that and the full fairing and enclosed bodywork, the >> wind just blew it over (there were witnesses). > >Chris, > >Just curious, was the Beemer on it's sidestand or centerstand? >Not clear from your description. I'd be surprised if it blew >off the sidestand, even with the wheel turned the wrong way. Sidestand. I'm surprised it blew over, too, but according to the rider I spoke with, people told him they saw it get blown over by a wind gust, and this rider was the one who picked it up and left the guy a note. Now this WAS during a heck of a storm, but I'm sure the owner got sick to his stomach seeing his brand-new bike with a cracked fairing, mirror dangling, etc. >> The only exception I can think of to using the sidestand would be with BMW >> K-bikes that are prone to filling the cylinder heads with oil when leaned >> over. > >I never really gave that much thought until today, I guess that's one >downside to the flat twin design. Maybe those H-D's with the V-twins >aren't such a bad idea after all? :-) Actually the K-bikes are flat-3 and flat -4 cylinder engines. BMW, who certainly seem to have a schizophrenic approach to motorcycle design, put the cylinder heads on the left. When started, early K-bikes would smoke like an old beater, if they'd been left on the sidestand. BMW did some fancy engineering with the later bikes to keep the oil from draining into the cylinder heads ("pinning" the piston rings, I've heard, but am not sure what this means). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 14:40:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03472; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19741; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11464; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:39:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from notes.sbd.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18528; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 852565A6.006C35CB ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:41:56 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565A6.006C0272.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:43:52 -0400 Subject: Sayonara Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I know I haven't been very vocal here lately, but I just wanted to say goodbye to everyone. I'll be leaving in about a month or so to move to Alaska, and I won't have email for a long time. I appreciate all the help and tips that I have gotten here. I won't be taking the bike with me, because it costs about 1.00 a lb to ship it, and I just don't have the money. If anyone is interested in a 1995 Yamaha Virago, please email me directly, because I goofed and sent the unsubscribe before the goodbye note. My email address for a little while longer is CROSE@XXXXXX. Take care, All of you! Caron Rose CANDY8 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 14:45:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03574; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19818; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11642; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA05913 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3569.244DAB30@XXXXXX>; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:43:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'DC Cycles List'" , "'Chris Norloff'" Subject: RE: Toppling Beemers Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:43:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, February 09, 1998 2:06 PM >To: DC Cycles List >Subject: Re: Toppling Beemers > >--snip-- >Sidestand. I'm surprised it blew over, too, but according to the rider I >spoke with, people told him they saw it get blown over by a wind gust, and >this rider was the one who picked it up and left the guy a note. Now this >WAS during a heck of a storm, but I'm sure the owner got sick to his >stomach seeing his brand-new bike with a cracked fairing, mirror dangling, >etc. Sounds like the type of night I had late last week. Whichever day was the _really_ high winds, I went home early to check on my bike and thankfully it had not blown over. It _always_ sits on it's sidestand (due mainly to the fact that the RF doesn't have a centerstand) :-) Anyhow, another guy in my complex had his bike blown over. I was called by the front desk asking if it was mine, and I said no, but I would be glad to go down and pick it up if the owner wanted me too. He was on the phone still at work, but leaving for home shortly and did want me to pick it up, so I went out and had a joy of a time picking up A GL1500! It was a late 80s silverwing I think, but it weighed a freakin ton! It was on the sidestand when it went over, and it looked like it was really leaning far over when I got it righted (I don't know if it damaged the sidestand in the fall, or what). So, I put it on the centerstand. I went back out an hour later to check on both bikes ... mine was still standing and his had blown over again. That time I just left it down. I know the carbs would flood, etc., but it's got be better than having it repetitively fall over again and again ... what do you all think? He came home later and moved the bike to the other side of the building ... where mine was, and I think it stayed up the rest of the night. I can't wait for a garage!!!! Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 19:46:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09937; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24880; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateway.hazmat.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20807; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by gateway.hazmat.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25451; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:43:21 -0500 From: Matt Bennett Message-Id: <199802100043.TAA25451@gateway.hazmat.com> Subject: Re: Toppling Beemers To: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:43:21 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980209140636.009e62f0@mail.toward.com> from "Chris Norloff" at Feb 9, 98 02:06:36 pm Reply-To: mjb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sidestand. I'm surprised it blew over, too, but according to the rider I > spoke with, people told him they saw it get blown over by a wind gust, and > this rider was the one who picked it up and left the guy a note. Now this > WAS during a heck of a storm, but I'm sure the owner got sick to his > stomach seeing his brand-new bike with a cracked fairing, mirror dangling, > etc. I've always found my BMW to be *more* stable on it's sidestand. I can't find the manual on my '81 BMW, but I do believe that they recommend always parking it on the centerstand. On BMW's the sidestand is often just something to use for a few seconds, before you put it on the centerstand. The sidestands are traditionally pretty flimsy. I rode my R100RS for two years before I even had a sidestand, and at that I got an aftermarket stand which is much beefier than the stock stand. > Actually the K-bikes are flat-3 and flat -4 cylinder engines. BMW, who > certainly seem to have a schizophrenic approach to motorcycle design, put > the cylinder heads on the left. When started, early K-bikes would smoke > like an old beater, if they'd been left on the sidestand. BMW did some > fancy engineering with the later bikes to keep the oil from draining into > the cylinder heads ("pinning" the piston rings, I've heard, but am not sure > what this means). I believe that it is similar to two-strokes, where the rings cannot be left floating free, or the ends would get caught up in the transfer ports. There is a bump in the ring groove in the piston, which matches a relief at the ring ends. When these match up, the ring is held in one place. When they don't match, you can't get the piston in the cylinder :) Matt Bennett mjb@XXXXXX http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 21:19:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11465; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27215; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22585; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (207-172-153-174.s47.as8.abr.erols.com [207.172.153.174]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29852 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:15:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802100215.VAA29852@smtp2.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: Subject: CX500's Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:06:16 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thetrick@XXXXXX writes: > I am about to buy a 1980 CX500 (don't laugh, its my first bike) this > week, and i was looking around for some info on what clothing to buy. > [...] > Also, if anyone out there owns or has owned a CX500/GL500, I would like > to hear from you. Thx As lots have already commented on equipment, I'll comment on the bike. They're a bit heavy, particularly top heavy. They're also a bit underpowered but have good low torque. They can be a bit warm in the summer, but there are worse. They're like the Dodge Dart of motorcycles: well maintained, they run forever. They are still highly regarded in Europe as dispatch bikes for this trait. The valve train will be a bit noisier than most Japanese bikes, but this is due to being a pushrod motor rather than an overhead cam motor like most J-bikes. Be sure to keep the cam chain adjusted at reasonable intervals, it's a known weak point. You may hear about a recall from cam chains going and munching the motor, but that was only on the '78 models; later bikes had an improved design, not perfect but much better. Also keep fresh antifreeze in it. The seal around the water pump impeller shaft is notorious for developing leaks and is a pain to change, but this problem is usually due to running the same antifreeze for years on end. Overall I think you'll like it, they're generally a very good buy. Cheers, -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex denizen@XXXXXX '79 CX500C commuter, plus a few more bikes... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 22:21:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12262; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28833; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24067; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.102] (unverified [207.226.128.102]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:24:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fisrt set of Riding Clothes. Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 22:18:53 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Any motorcycle Shop will have gloves, youll need at least two pair, >maybe three plus a set of liners for when its really cold. Two pair at most. One for three and a half seasons, and a really heavy pair for when it gets cold. Oh, electric grips are mandatory for going the two pair route:) BTW, my favorite gloves (the Olympia gel palm) are now available in gauntlet style!! And I can always go fingerless by shopping at my local Harley (tm) emporium. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 22:21:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12269; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28840; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24071; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.102] (unverified [207.226.128.102]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:24:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: silverwings Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 22:18:59 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Classic Motorcycles (or the other old bike mag I read) has a series on those cx500s. If you are interested, I could dig up the articles. BTW, I don't subscribe, only pick it up when it interests me, so I only have the first and third out of four or five issues they are doing on them. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 22:21:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12270; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28828; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24063; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.102] (unverified [207.226.128.102]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:24:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: newbie gear Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 22:18:44 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "kevin thomas" , cc: "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >lister Colleen, MotorLE@XXXXXX. She's got a huge inventory of stuff and is >very honest. I just hope she gets some stuff for us full figured guys:( >Don't get chaps. They leave unprotected the area you're most likely to land >on. And what would that be? >I recommend Shoei or Arai full face helmets, >whichever brand feels best for you and the model with the features you want >to pay for. They're the quietest, best built helmets around, and if you >ever need a spare shield or something, _every_ cycle shop in the world sells >them. Not so the other brands. I'd recommend HJC. Cheaper than Arai or Shoei, and I haven't seen where they are any worse, protection-wise. Unfortunately, the new CL-11 doesn't fit as comfortably as the CL-10 I have or the Shoei I tried on a few weeks ago, so when I replace my helmet this spring/summer/fall it will likely be a Shoei. Possibly a duo-tech. >CX500s seem to be good bikes. A couple of >people on the list have/had them. Another "Honda-runs-forever" engine. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 22:48:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12676; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29865; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24702; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.122] (unverified [207.226.128.122]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:52:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: center stand vs side stand Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 22:47:04 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Last week, a new BMW R1100RT blew over, and I was parked only a few feet >away. The BMW had the steering turned to the right (so the steering lock >would work). Between that and the full fairing and enclosed bodywork, the >wind just blew it over (there were witnesses). My old Honda, with a >fairing, trunk and saddlebags, but on its sidestand with the wheel turned >to the left, was okay. Guy doesn't know how to park. You can lock the steering to either side (least I can on my roadster). -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 22:48:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12677; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29857; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24698; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.122] (unverified [207.226.128.122]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:52:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Toppling Beemers Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 22:46:59 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'DC Cycles List'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >pick it up, so I went out and had a joy of a time picking up A GL1500! >It was a late 80s silverwing I think, but it weighed a freakin ton! GL-1500 is a Goldwing. GL1200 was the late 80's wing. GL1000 and GL1100 were 70's and early 80's. I think a silverwing is a gl650 and uses a similar engine to the cx500. >It was on the sidestand when it went over, and it looked like it was >really leaning far over when I got it righted (I don't know if it >damaged the sidestand in the fall, or what). So, I put it on the >centerstand. I went back out an hour later to check on both bikes ... >mine was still standing and his had blown over again. That time I just >left it down. I know the carbs would flood, etc., but it's got be >better than having it repetitively fall over again and again ... what do >you all think? How would the carbs flood? Doesn't the thing have a petcock? FWIW, you probably did the right thing. I would have picked it up once, and left it the second time as well. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 22:48:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12681; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29873; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24706; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.122] (unverified [207.226.128.122]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:52:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: center stand vs side stand Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 22:47:08 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Jordan, Michael" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Fairly critical if you're riding a BMW boxer twin - assorted fluids tend >to gather in the low cylinder and can cause interesting effects upon >starting. The smokescreen? It's actually a feature:) Don't forget Gold-Wing's. Question though: Porsche's (and Subaru's) don't seem to have this problem. And I have never seen a Ducati start up from cold. Do they have this problem? Also, think I read somewhere that Wings are SUPPOSED to be assembled so that the groove in the rings never points down. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 22:48:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12692; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29879; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24710; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.122] (unverified [207.226.128.122]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:52:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: center stand vs side stand Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 22:47:12 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Ryan Chapin" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Here's why . . when the bike is >parked on a side stand it is much more stable and less apt to fall over, it >has three points touching the ground, much like a tripod and the weight is >distrubuted better over these points. I've said it before, but let me reiterate: not every bike is more stable on the sidestand. The one on my Beemer (and it seemed like some Italian bikes at the Cleveland show) have long sidestands that do not extend far enough away from the centerline of the bike to add any stability. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 23:49:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13426; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01510; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25690; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from kpmlptp (207-172-111-104.s104.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.104]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA22872; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:55:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802100455.XAA22872@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Patric.Mahoney@XXXXXX To: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:48:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I did not send this twice Reply-to: Bonez@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199801272206.RAA06362@smtp2.erols.com> References: <199801272153.QAA01857@smtp2.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Maybe the second one came from your evil brunette twin Bones > From: "Squeakers" > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > To: , Tom Knapik , > > Ok. I must be having an awful blonde day, cuz first I > > laughed at that, then I said wait a minute. he IS joking, > > right? > > Now Im not sure. It WAS a joke..right? > > > > Squeakers > > > > > > I did NOT send this twice! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 9 23:50:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13449; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01529; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25707; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA17890; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:49:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E00708.2B27@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:51:36 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Dillon Subject: Re: newbie gear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Thomas wrote: > I've done pretty well year-round in a FirstgearTKO jacket. > Could be cooler when it's hot, warmer when it's cold, but for 6 years and > 40000 miles it did the job. About $400, I'd say. Last fall I got a great > deal on good winter jacket and some leather pants, previously owned, from > lister Colleen, MotorLE@XXXXXX. She's got a huge inventory of stuff and is > very honest. and Richard Westbrook added: > A great place to go to first for great deals is Colleen Bray. (I have to > give her a plug) She is on this list and has a great selection of used > leather. her e-mail is MotorLE@XXXXXX. I just bought a pair of leather > pants and saddlebags from her at about half the price and they are in > perfect condition. I would recomend trying her first. Well, since we're giving plugs to Colleen I'll add my two drachmas. I was over there yesterday in beautiful downtown Silver Spring and I got one of her brand, spanking new Hein Gericke V-Pilot jackets. Great price, fits well etc... I only paid $275 + tax. She has a few more (40 and 42 sizes) but it should be noted that for me - 39 suit size, I had to get a size 42. Sizes seem to run a bit small... BTW, anyone up for a ride this Sunday? Weather heads a few minutes ago said it'll be 50 and sunny. JK (D-mode) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 01:37:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15203; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA03191; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA27500; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:36:07 -0500 (EST) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc3-s28.wizard.net [206.161.15.150]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA27756 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:35:59 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980210012717.0095f5a0@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:27:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gear and CX500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greetings! Thanks for all the responses. Everyone has been quite helpful. Ok, as of now, I am getting an used Aerostich suit (hopefully, if Colleen doesn't sell it before I get to it!) and a new Arai Quantum/s helmet. As for the boots and gloves, I haven't decided yet, but probably nothing fancy. I may still get a basic leather jacket, too (at least it will still be useful if I stop riding!) Even with the Aerostich, I will almost certainly be a fair weather rider for a while. I suppose I will look a bit silly in it, but oh well, I want to be safe. I am going to take the MSF course ASAP, but NVCC in Alexandria is not offering any sessions until mid-march. Does anyone know where else it's offered? Will they be able to help me with handling my particular bike, since its is a bit different from the little cruisers they use (shaft drive on the CX500 vs chain, and high CG)? (No flame wars on the shaft effect, please :) Well, until I get my license I am just going to have to sit back and listen to everyone describe their rides (*sniff*), but I hope to be out with everyone fairly soon. Thanks. Tom p.s. Unless someone objects, I am going to put all the responses I receive concerning gear on a web page for future use, since I didn't find any one page that had all the information a new rider should know. If anyone else wants to put in their two bits on newbie clothing or clothing in general, be sure to post it or email me directly. Thx. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 01:56:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15361; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA03446; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA27755; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomzell (Pool-207-205-219-226.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.226]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA18730 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:55:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980210015356.006d3aec@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:53:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: RE: Saturday's Ride to the Frozen Tundra In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I had a great time myself on Saturday despite being frozen.... but thank goodness for warm engine covers.... at least my left hand was nice and toasty! I was actually glad for the slower speeds of Saturday's ride. The new F2 wheel on the back along with mal-adjusted(hurry up and get it back together) suspension made for some interesting episodes through some of the twisties! Next time I'll have her tuned a little better... And one last thing... my sincerest apologies for cutting out of the group at the last second... I was frozen at that point and the wind chill above 70mph makes no difference so I thought a good 140 wouldn't hurt for a stretch... plus I needed to get home. As it was we ran into some rain on the way home. Anyway.. I had a great time and really enjoyed meeting all of you! I'm looking forward to the next ride! Tom Zell '86 VFR700/750F zellto@XXXXXX zellto@XXXXXX zellto@XXXXXX At 12:55 PM 2/9/98 EST, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > >In a message dated 2/9/98 12:27:30 PM, mdow@XXXXXX wrote: > ><<, but it got chilly going over those mountains. I was thanking my >lucky stars I had that little windshield on the Magna, esp with the >perforated jacket. Catoctin Park was cool. Might like>> > >I on the other hand, used my BODY for a fairing BBRRRRRRRRRRRRR > >Marcy > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 02:29:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA15655; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 02:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA03561; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 02:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA28071; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 02:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.36] (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 02:34:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gear and CX500 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 02:28:31 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I am going to take the MSF course ASAP, but NVCC in Alexandria is not >offering any sessions until mid-march. Does anyone know where else it's >offered? Will they be able to help me with handling my particular bike, >since its is a bit different from the little cruisers they use (shaft drive >on the CX500 vs chain, and high CG)? (No flame wars on the shaft effect, >please :) When you first start riding, you aren't going to give two s!!ts about shaft effect. Trust me:) I've gotten two bikes since taking the MSF, and both are shafties (Kawasaki Eliminator. Black, tiny, fast 600cc cruiser. A sportbike in search of a suspension, IOW. And a red BMW R850R that is desperately awaiting my federal income tax return so I can get saddlebags, exhaust, and hopefully a Parabellum R90S type fairing). Taking the course, you'll be learning about when to use the gas, when to use the brake, how to countersteer, and all that sort of thing. When you get to applying it to the street, you'll be too concerned with how BIG those cars are (especially mosters like Geo Metros:) to worry about chassis jacking. If you are lucky, you'll have access to the Nighthawks that I had access to. No way I could have ridden a rebel for two days:) BTW, don't believe that crap you read on the Usenet about shafties, countersteering, and wheeling. If interested, I will give you a demonstration of how well a shaftie does both of those without flinging lube all over the place:) Your website is probably a good idea. Take anything I say and post it. Just make sure you pots to the list when you are done so we can make sure you haven't quoted us out of context. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 06:52:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA18195; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05852; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA00978; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-111-36.s36.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.36]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA05436; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:56:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E04718.52743533@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:24:57 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thetrick@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gear and CX500 References: <3.0.5.32.19980210012717.0095f5a0@mail.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The NOVA Campus out in Loudoun county has the beginner class darn near year round every weekend. It'll teach you the basics you need to know to get you going. After getting some experience with the feel of your own bike, take their experienced rider course. However, they only offer this course a few times a year, so a good idea would be to sign up for it now, anticipating going to it later in the season. Collin thetrick@XXXXXX wrote: > Greetings! Thanks for all the responses. Everyone has been quite helpful. > > Ok, as of now, I am getting an used Aerostich suit (hopefully, if Colleen > doesn't sell it before I get to it!) and a new Arai Quantum/s helmet. As > for the boots and gloves, I haven't decided yet, but probably nothing > fancy. I may still get a basic leather jacket, too (at least it will still > be useful if I stop riding!) Even with the Aerostich, I will almost > certainly be a fair weather rider for a while. I suppose I will look a bit > silly in it, but oh well, I want to be safe. > > I am going to take the MSF course ASAP, but NVCC in Alexandria is not > offering any sessions until mid-march. Does anyone know where else it's > offered? Will they be able to help me with handling my particular bike, > since its is a bit different from the little cruisers they use (shaft drive > on the CX500 vs chain, and high CG)? (No flame wars on the shaft effect, > please :) > > Well, until I get my license I am just going to have to sit back and listen > to everyone describe their rides (*sniff*), but I hope to be out with > everyone fairly soon. > > Thanks. > Tom > > p.s. Unless someone objects, I am going to put all the responses I receive > concerning gear on a web page for future use, since I didn't find any one > page that had all the information a new rider should know. If anyone else > wants to put in their two bits on newbie clothing or clothing in general, > be sure to post it or email me directly. Thx. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 08:15:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18996; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06192; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01861; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A24913C00DC; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:12:41 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980210074635.009e21f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:46:35 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: center stand vs side stand In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:47 PM 2/9/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: >>Last week, a new BMW R1100RT blew over, and I was parked only a few feet >>away. The BMW had the steering turned to the right (so the steering lock >>would work). Between that and the full fairing and enclosed bodywork, the >>wind just blew it over (there were witnesses). My old Honda, with a >>fairing, trunk and saddlebags, but on its sidestand with the wheel turned >>to the left, was okay. > >Guy doesn't know how to park. You can lock the steering to either side >(least I can on my roadster). Oh. Actually, that was an assumption of mine (why he put the wheel to the right), based on my experience with K-bikes. Where is the fork lock on your roadster? And which BMW is that? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 08:15:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18995; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06193; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01858; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A24813C00DC; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:12:40 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980210073947.009d9d30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:39:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Toppling Beemers In-Reply-To: <199802100043.TAA25451@gateway.hazmat.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980209140636.009e62f0@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:43 PM 2/9/98 -0500, Matt Bennett wrote: >I've always found my BMW to be *more* stable on it's sidestand. I can't >find the manual on my '81 BMW, but I do believe that they recommend >always parking it on the centerstand. On BMW's the sidestand is often just >something to use for a few seconds, before you put it on the centerstand. >The sidestands are traditionally pretty flimsy. I rode my R100RS for >two years before I even had a sidestand, and at that I got an aftermarket >stand which is much beefier than the stock stand. What got lost in the multiple postings and responses was that the front end was turned to the right, while the bike was on the sidestand. The BMW blew over, when another bike a few feet away on its sidestand with the steering to the left did not blow over. >> BMW did some >> fancy engineering with the later bikes to keep the oil from draining into >> the cylinder heads ("pinning" the piston rings, I've heard, but am not sure >> what this means). > >I believe that it is similar to two-strokes, where the rings cannot be left >floating free, or the ends would get caught up in the transfer ports. >There is a bump in the ring groove in the piston, which matches a relief >at the ring ends. When these match up, the ring is held in one place. >When they don't match, you can't get the piston in the cylinder :) Thanks! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 09:44:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20268; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07629; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03519; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.43] (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:49:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: center stand vs side stand Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 09:43:49 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Oh. Actually, that was an assumption of mine (why he put the wheel to the >right), based on my experience with K-bikes. I'd have made the same assumption. I mean, who the heck turns the wheel to the right? >Where is the fork lock on your roadster? And which BMW is that? I'm not sure what you mean by where. Part of the ignition switch, up on the top fork clamp. The roadster is the nekked BMW. The classic 'standard' design. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 10:01:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20465; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07904; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04067; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03988; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18287 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:00:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980210095824.008c6e70@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:58:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: CX500's In-Reply-To: <199802100215.VAA29852@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:06 PM 2/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >later bikes had an improved design, not perfect but much better. Also >keep fresh antifreeze in it. The seal around the water pump impeller >shaft is notorious for developing leaks and is a pain to change, but >this problem is usually due to running the same antifreeze for years >on end. To change the seal the engine has to be dropped in the frame. Its is not that hard, I think we used to charge something like 3 hrs. That seal also goes bad if the bike sits for long time with out use. You can tell if it is bad because you get oil in the coolant & coolant in the oil. No external leaks will be noted. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 10:34:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21189; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08635; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04960; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo30.mail.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04947; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:33:16 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id 3ASYa08050 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:30:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <68849810.34e072ac@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:30:50 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CX500's Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 56 In a message dated 98-02-10 10:16:03 EST, harris@XXXXXX writes: << You can tell if it is bad because you get oil in the coolant & coolant in the oil. << No external leaks will be noted. >> Not necessarily true - my wife's scooter has a pronounced seepage from the weep hole down the left side of the engine from the water pump. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 10:44:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21448; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08881; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:43:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05327; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA22932; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:44:32 -0500 Message-ID: <34E07555.B1A93B0@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:42:13 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: "Meier, Christopher" , "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: Re: Toppling Beemers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Silver Wing could be either a GL500 or a GL650. The GL650 was only manufactured in 1983. The CX and GL500s were made from 1978 to 1982. Agree with the assesment about cam chains and antifreeze. It's also a good idea to re-torque the heads when you adjust the valves every 10,000 miles or 1 year. Leon. George Howell wrote: > >pick it up, so I went out and had a joy of a time picking up A GL1500! > >It was a late 80s silverwing I think, but it weighed a freakin ton! > > GL-1500 is a Goldwing. GL1200 was the late 80's wing. GL1000 and GL1100 > were 70's and early 80's. I think a silverwing is a gl650 and uses a > similar engine to the cx500. > > >It was on the sidestand when it went over, and it looked like it was > >really leaning far over when I got it righted (I don't know if it > >damaged the sidestand in the fall, or what). So, I put it on the > >centerstand. I went back out an hour later to check on both bikes ... > >mine was still standing and his had blown over again. That time I just > >left it down. I know the carbs would flood, etc., but it's got be > >better than having it repetitively fall over again and again ... what do > >you all think? > > How would the carbs flood? Doesn't the thing have a petcock? FWIW, you > probably did the right thing. I would have picked it up once, and left it > the second time as well. > > ``` > (o o) > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > *--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 10:55:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21695; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:55:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09264; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05771; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A7DFCF00CE; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:53:06 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980210105110.009b7460@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:51:10 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: center stand vs side stand In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:43 AM 2/10/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: >>Oh. Actually, that was an assumption of mine (why he put the wheel to the >>right), based on my experience with K-bikes. > >I'd have made the same assumption. I mean, who the heck turns the wheel >to the right? K-bike owners. My brother's K100 and a K75 I rented both had the fork lock down between the triple clamps, and you had to turn the wheel to the right, remove the key from the ignition, stick the key in the lock between the triple clamps, then wiggle the handlebars back and forth while pushing and turning the key. Quite an impressive level of German engineering. >>Where is the fork lock on your roadster? And which BMW is that? > >I'm not sure what you mean by where. Part of the ignition switch, up on >the top fork clamp. The roadster is the nekked BMW. The classic >'standard' design. Part of the ignition switch! Wow! I'm impressed. So is your bike the original BMW (airhead) type? :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 11:00:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21821; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09355; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05946; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA24484 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3612.F81E2BC0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:59:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Cc: "'John Carver'" Subject: Tech Help needed Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:59:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My RF has developed a crazy turn signal. The right blinker works fine, but the left blinks hyperfast and the rear doesn't blink at all, only the front. This happened one other time a few years ago after I washed the bike. I figured it just got some water in there and after a few hours or so it was back to normal. After all the heavy rains we have had lately (bike sits outside, but is covered), I figure that may be the cause again, but this time it has been going on for a few days. I pulled the cover off the rear signal, but found no water in there. Any ideas on what could be causing it, or suggestions on how to fix it? All comments gratefully welcomed ... Thanks, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 11:52:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22985; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10120; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07597; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06583; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA25119; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:52:23 -0500 Message-ID: <34E0853E.DA9BC7D7@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:50:06 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Harris CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CX500's References: <3.0.5.32.19980210095824.008c6e70@mail.his.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the CX650C, Honda added a drain hole so that when the seal went bad, the coolant leaked out onto the engine case rather than into the oil. The first indication that it went was smelling the coolant leaking onto the exhaust pipes, the next indication was the temp climbing. The cylinders stick out into the airstream, so it never got all that hot as long as I could stay moving. I didn't have the proper shop tools, but I could remove the engine in about 2 hours, replace the seal in less than an hour, and put it back in the frame in another 3-4 hours. The GL650I had a lower temp thermostat, I never had to replace the water pump seal on that one. On the GL650 the stator goes, the replacement drill is much the same, but stators cost more than water pump seals. Leon. Stephen Harris wrote: > At 09:06 PM 2/9/98 -0500, you wrote: > >later bikes had an improved design, not perfect but much better. Also > >keep fresh antifreeze in it. The seal around the water pump impeller > >shaft is notorious for developing leaks and is a pain to change, but > >this problem is usually due to running the same antifreeze for years > >on end. > > To change the seal the engine has to be dropped in the frame. Its is not > that hard, I think we used to charge something like 3 hrs. That seal also > goes bad if the bike sits for long time with out use. You can tell if it > is bad because you get oil in the coolant & coolant in the oil. No > external leaks will be noted. > > Stephen > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 11:59:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23188; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10209; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07877; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA24342; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:01:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:01:41 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: "Meier, Christopher" cc: "'dc-cycles'" , "'John Carver'" Subject: Re: Tech Help needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The rapid blinking is a result of the rear turn signal being out. When the light goes out, the current through the flasher increases causing it to flash much more rapidly (it's actually a bimetallic element that heats up with the current). So, the rapid flashing is nothing to worry about and will go away when you fix the rear signal. I would check the following things: 1.) Is the lamp burned out (check by inspection and/or replacing with the right lamp. 2.) Corrosion in the lamp socket. 3.) Corresion in the intervening connectors. Hope this helps. On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Meier, Christopher wrote: > My RF has developed a crazy turn signal. The right blinker works fine, > but the left blinks hyperfast and the rear doesn't blink at all, only > the front. > > This happened one other time a few years ago after I washed the bike. I > figured it just got some water in there and after a few hours or so it > was back to normal. After all the heavy rains we have had lately (bike > sits outside, but is covered), I figure that may be the cause again, but > this time it has been going on for a few days. I pulled the cover off > the rear signal, but found no water in there. > > Any ideas on what could be causing it, or suggestions on how to fix it? > > All comments gratefully welcomed ... > > Thanks, > chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 14:51:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27824; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16863; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15213; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccmgate.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.5]) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.0 Build 2119 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA00114 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:57:15 -0500 From: rwestbrook@XXXXXX Received: from cc:Mail by ccmgate.rtcdirect.com id AA887156836; Tue, 10 Feb 98 09:26:45 PST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 09:26:45 PST Message-Id: <9801108871.AA887156836@ccmgate.rtcdirect.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sat. Ride to the Tundra That's not true I went once until you guys made me crash :-) _______________________________________________________________________________ God I hope so. I posted almost every weekend last summer and the only person who *ever* wanted to go was Brian. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 15:28:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28875; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18153; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16737; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (207-172-74-172.s45.as7.man.erols.com [207.172.74.172]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA26373; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:34:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980210152158.007c4600@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:21:58 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: center stand vs side stand In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980210074635.009e21f0@mail.toward.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:46 AM 02/10/1998 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 10:47 PM 2/9/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: >>>Last week, a new BMW R1100RT blew over, and I was parked only a few feet >>>away. The BMW had the steering turned to the right (so the steering lock Jumped in here a little late. That bike weighs over 600 pounds! It is hard to imagine that it would blow over. That was some wind. I take my cover off of my bike (A BMW K LT) when it gets that windy! >Oh. Actually, that was an assumption of mine (why he put the wheel to the >right), based on my experience with K-bikes. That is correct can go either way on the roadster >Where is the fork lock on your roadster? And which BMW is that? It is a position on the key area. Turn the forks either way to a point and it will lock allowing you to take out the key. The roadster is the R100R (no fairing at all - a naked oil head!) Karl Rosenbaum 88 BMW K100LT "grandpa" Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 17:04:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01719; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20921; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20869; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.37.3.184] (1Cust48.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.48]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11959 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:01:58 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:00:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Tech Help needed >My RF has developed a crazy turn signal. The right blinker works fine, >but the left blinks hyperfast and the rear doesn't blink at all, only >the front. > >This happened one other time a few years ago after I washed the bike. I >figured it just got some water in there and after a few hours or so it >was back to normal. After all the heavy rains we have had lately (bike >sits outside, but is covered), I figure that may be the cause again, but >this time it has been going on for a few days. I pulled the cover off >the rear signal, but found no water in there. > >Any ideas on what could be causing it, or suggestions on how to fix it? > >All comments gratefully welcomed ... Look for a pinched wire, or a wire with the insulation rubbed throuh allowing a ground to the frame. The blinker is running fast because there is more load on the circuit, causing the flasher relay to cycle quicker. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 20:42:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05660; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26590; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27303; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17648; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA18693; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:41:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980210203541.00890a50@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:35:41 -0500 To: Leon Begeman From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: CX500's Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34E0853E.DA9BC7D7@illuminet.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19980210095824.008c6e70@mail.his.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:50 AM 2/10/98 -0500, Leon Begeman wrote: >The cylinders stick out into the airstream, so it never got all that hot as >long as I could stay moving. I didn't have the proper shop tools, but I could >remove the engine in about 2 hours, replace the seal in less than an hour, and >put it back in the frame in another 3-4 hours. Never did a 650c, but the 500's engine did not have to come all the way out, just far enough to clear the accesorry hsg on the rear of the engine. Beating flat rate was always a challange. >The GL650I had a lower temp thermostat, I never had to replace the water pump >seal on that one. On the GL650 the stator goes, the replacement drill is much >the same, but stators cost more than water pump seals. Yiikes. That reminds me of all the '86 wing stator warrenty's we did. I think the flat rate on those was 8.5 and I took a bath on everyone. That GL & CX accessory placement was one tarnished spot on honda's invintory in the 80's. Kinda like getting the rear valve cover off a VF1000R.... S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 20:42:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05665; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26560; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27296; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17562; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA18672 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:41:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980210202959.0088de80@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:29:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: CX500's In-Reply-To: <68849810.34e072ac@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:30 AM 2/10/98 EST, you wrote: >Not necessarily true - my wife's scooter has a pronounced seepage from the >weep hole down the left side of the engine from the water pump. Make sure we are not talking apples & oranges. A CX500, unless memory fails me, does not have a waterpump shaft that exits the engine accessory case. On that particular bike you would not see coolant leaking. Are you talking about a honda CX500? S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 20:43:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05683; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26783; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27352; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.67.177]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA79 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:27:07 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: CBR1000? VFR? CBR600? Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:24:05 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd368b$be7a92e0$6b4c440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey, y'all-- A guy I know is preparing to return to motorcycling. He hasn't ridden a lot lately, but raced 125 and 500 cc 2-stroke MX about 13 years ago in high school, and had a 440 Kawasaki LTD. He's about 6', 250lbs, and thinks he wants a CBR1000. He found one with only 500 miles for about AMA book value. My bias is toward midsize bikes, so I need some opinions from you. This is a guy who's used to light bikes, the way I see it. He rode a friend's mid 80's Ninja 1000 (pre-ZX10) back then, and liked it, but I have a feeling he's discounting the current middleweights. He thinks he's too big and heavy for a CBR 600. Not in terms of comfort, but too heavy for a 600 engine. I try to tell him the 600 is faster than the old 1000 Ninja, and will thrill him with its agility. Or, of course, I tell him how great VFRs are. He likes mine. He looked at a 94, but he doesn't like red. He also likes V-Maxes. However, again, he's never ridden any of these bikes. Maybe I'm projecting my opinions onto him, but he did ask my advice, so I've given it. Any large riders of 600s? Anybody do sport touring on a liter-bike they like better than CBR1000s? I personally prefer ZX11s. Any perspectives for me at all? The CBR1000 is priced near book at $7000. 96, with 500 miles, at a dealer (Heyser), with a 6mo warranty. The VFR is a 94 with 10k for $6000, also at Heyser. I assume same warranty. The CBR price sounds ok, tho I percieve that to be a bike he'd have trouble selling quickly if he doesn't like it. The VFR price is a little high. I'd want at least $500 off, probably $1000. The best thing is Heyser will let him ride any used bike, and selected new ones, so hopefully he can make an informed decision. They have some CBR600s and other things too. I'd appreciate any thoughts you have. He's probably going to buy something on Friday. Thanks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 21:01:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06011; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29641; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27810; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.65.122]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA14136 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:39:05 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: VFR800 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd368d$6ca9d500$6b4c440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey, y'all-- I hear Heyser has a VFR800. I'll be over there friday with a friend, so I reckon I'll find the time to sit on it..... ;-) Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 21:11:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06201; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00424; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27992; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (207-172-151-198.s7.as1.abr.erols.com [207.172.151.198]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15977 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:15:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802110215.VAA15977@smtp1.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: Subject: Re: Gear and CX500 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:59:49 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tt == Tom writes: tt> I am going to take the MSF course ASAP [...] Will they be able to tt> help me with handling my particular bike, since its is a bit different tt> from the little cruisers they use (shaft drive on the CX500 vs chain, tt> and high CG)? While the bikes will feel a bit different (weight, seating position, etc) the material they'll be teaching is equally valid for all types of motorcycles. I wouldn't get caught up in "I wonder what this'd be like on a CX500?" The basic techniques are all pretty much the same. tt> (No flame wars on the shaft effect, please :) gh == George Howell replies: gh> BTW, don't believe that crap you read on the Usenet about shafties, gh> countersteering, and wheeling. If interested, I will give you a gh> demonstration of how well a shaftie does both of those without flinging gh> lube all over the place:) While shafties will countersteer as well as chain bikes and will wheelie (tho' not as well ;-) beware of making it too much of a habit of proving Usenet wrong. I used to do that with my GS850G. A few years later on the way to Daytona I was left on the side of I-95 in the middle of Georgia with a stripped rear wheel spline gear. I would attribute at least a bit of that to my old habit of pulling wheelies a lot on the beast. I *swear* I heard it slip a couple times way back when... :-} In a related thread, lb == Leon Begeman wrote: lb> A Silver Wing could be either a GL500 or a GL650. The GL650 was lb> only manufactured in 1983. This is correct, along with the one-year-only CX650. lb> The CX and GL500s were made from 1978 to 1982. Not quite. The CX500 came out in '78. The GL500 didn't appear until '81. sh == Stephen Harris adds: sh> On the GL650 the stator goes, the replacement drill is much sh> the same, but stators cost more than water pump seals. Stators were also a big problem on the '78 models. As Stephen notes, it's not a big problem dropping/rehanging the motor. I've done that twice, on a friend's '78 (the infamous '78 stator problem) and my current '79 (broken cam chain adjuster nut). It was snapped by the previous owner, not me! It was simple enough to remove it with an "easy-out" but we had to drop the motor to get a decent angle to drill the pilot hole. :-( Don't overtighten it when you're done adjusting it! Cheers, -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 21:30:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06520; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01574; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28358; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12242; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:26:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980210213044.0069f8fc@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 11 Feb 1998 02:29:19 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:30:44 -0500 To: "kevin thomas" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: CBR1000? VFR? CBR600? Cc: "dc-cycles" In-Reply-To: <01bd368b$be7a92e0$6b4c440c@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:24 PM 2/10/98 -0500, kevin thomas wrote: > He's about 6', 250lbs, and thinks he >wants a CBR1000. > He thinks he's too >big and heavy for a CBR 600. I try to tell him the 600 is faster than the old 1000 Ninja, You're right, the current ZX-6 can outmatch the old 1000s. Anybody do sport touring on a >liter-bike they like better than CBR1000s? I personally prefer ZX11s. Any >perspectives for me at all? I strongly prefer the ZX-11, particularly for a larger rider. I'm 6'1" and found only a few bikes that felt comfortable. However, the biggest problem was trying to assess that on a parked bike in the showroom. > >The CBR1000 is priced near book at $7000. 96, with 500 miles, at a dealer >(Heyser), with a 6mo warranty. The VFR is a 94 with 10k for $6000, also at >Heyser. I'd be very wary of a bike that was being sold in the middle of its break-in period. Anyone not looking to keep a bike like that for a while is probably not too worried about thrashing the engine. Even with the warranty, the early damage that can be done can be extensive. With that in mind, a VFR that's been well maintained by someone who cared about it can be in much better shape after 10k miles than a CBR after only 500. If cost is not the issue (don't forget trying to insure that bad boy), it really boils down to intended use. If hardcore cornering is his thing, then a middle weight will do him well. I'd recommend a ZX-6 or 600F2/3. If he wants to ride fast and far, then he should get a ZX-11, the king of that class. When I considered buying one, I asked a friend (a veterinarian) what it was like to ride one. He said, "It's like I was touched by the hand of God." This guy owned several bikes, including a 900RR and 600F2. Despite the neck breaking power, it was a very comfortable tourer. I routinely did 300 mile day trips on my ZX-11, i.e., 100 miles out to the mountains (45-60 minutes), 100 miles in the mountains (several hours), then the quick trip back. Most of this was done with riding with a friend who had a CBR1000. Both bikes performed very similarly, though mine was better to stretch out on. > The CBR price sounds ok, tho I percieve >that to be a bike he'd have trouble selling quickly if he doesn't like it. If someone is willing to be the third owner in the bike's first 1000 miles, sell him some Florida real estate, too. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 22:36:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07422; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02868; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29909; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA26075 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:12:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:12:03 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: CBR1000? VFR? CBR600? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980210213044.0069f8fc@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > > Anybody do sport touring on a > >liter-bike they like better than CBR1000s? I personally prefer ZX11s. Any > >perspectives for me at all? > > I strongly prefer the ZX-11, particularly for a larger rider. I'm 6'1" and > found only a few bikes that felt comfortable. However, the biggest problem > was trying to assess that on a parked bike in the showroom. You KNOW I'm going to speak up when reading THIS comment - For those of you who've not yet met me - I'm 6'4" tall, and weigh arround 230lbs. Oh yea, I, until receintally, rode an 86 VF500f. Big people and SOME small bikes are NOT a bad mix. The only gripes I had were the handling (bad due to age), and lack of physical size for longer trips. While looking for a replacement (even before it died) - I was strongly thinking about an F2/F3 - they are reliable, insurable, fun, and have enough stature to haul myself and my gear without things sliding off. It was the second choice for myself (a VFR being first on the list - just cause they're so Fn cool). I've also owned, and done long road trips on a liter bike - my 1100 was great for long FLAT streches of road, and I could strap more to that than some Geo drivers can carry - it had tons of grunt, and was fun. It was even comfortable for myself - I couldn't afford the insurance and didn't have any (gotta love MT - no required insurance on motorcycles). That's the biggest thing that's a worry wth liter bikes (well, and not knowing how to ride and running into a wall WFO). Anyway - enough ramble - Maybe the fact that a guy who's taller, and almost as heavy riding a smaller bike than he's looking at will help persuade him that a smaller bike isn't bad. Hell - maybe the fact that I ride a 125 on the track will help too.. who knows - but I hope he's happy with whatever he buys... Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - Next? (street) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) 83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 23:44:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08206; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:44:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04524; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01658; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.40] (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:48:29 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tech Help needed Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 23:42:59 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'dc-cycles'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >My RF has developed a crazy turn signal. The right blinker works fine, >but the left blinks hyperfast and the rear doesn't blink at all, only >the front. Whenever I've had that happen in a cage, it's a sign of a bad bulb. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 23:44:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08211; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:44:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04528; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01663; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.40] (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:48:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: center stand vs side stand Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 23:43:04 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Part of the ignition switch! Wow! I'm impressed. So is your bike the >original BMW (airhead) type? Nope. It's an oilhead. Although, having seen some pics of the R90S... Oh, and can't forget the R100GSPD ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 10 23:51:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08303; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04626; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01802; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA01119; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:46:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980210235110.006a1084@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 11 Feb 1998 04:49:44 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:51:10 -0500 To: Brian McCoy From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: CBR1000? VFR? CBR600? Cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980210213044.0069f8fc@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:12 PM 2/10/98 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: >You KNOW I'm going to speak up when reading THIS comment - For those of >you who've not yet met me - I'm 6'4" tall, and weigh arround 230lbs. Oh >yea, I, until receintally, rode an 86 VF500f. Big people and SOME small >bikes are NOT a bad mix. Brian makes a good point which I overlooked. The key to a good fit is finding a bike that has a complimentary relationship between your arm and leg length with its bar, seat and peg position. Beyond that are the angles formed by your elbow, shoulders, hips and knees. Given my build, I'd be more comfortable on a ZX-6 than I'd ever be on a GSXR 1100, which for me is like being in the lithotomy position at the GYN (boys, look it up; girls, you know what I'm talking about). MCN tries to throw some interesting ergonomic info in on its evaluations. Check out http://www.MCNews.com/articles/bmstats.htm as an example. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 03:45:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA11447; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA07031; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04563; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22527; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA27849; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:32:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:32:46 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CX500's In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980210203541.00890a50@mail.his.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Re water pumps: MCN suggests avoiding any (e.g. most automotive) anti-freeze that contain silicates (abrasives) in Gold Wings. Cheesy Honda seals. This may also be relevant to CX/GL 500-650 motors. Anyone know? --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 07:03:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12889; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14511; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA07618; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.visa.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26273; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05667 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:01:51 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:01:51 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: CX500's Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:03:42 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT >Make sure we are not talking apples & oranges. A CX500, unless memory >fails me, does not have a waterpump shaft that exits the engine accessory >case. On that particular bike you would not see coolant leaking. Are you >talking about a honda CX500? Ayuh - Honda-Guzzi 500cc V-twin (Silverwing model). The water pump shaft exits the rear engine case where it hooks up with some metal coolant lines and has a weep hole at the bottom of the pump housing. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 08:23:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13622; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15730; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08753; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27600; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA32543 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:20:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:20:13 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NVCC / ADVANCED RIDER TRAINING / LOUDOUN CAMPUS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings all -- I ended up scheduling myself for another day (June 7) besides the June 14 group due to scheduling conflicts. Upon signing up, I received an informative brochure, which I'll share with the list. -ph ______________________________________________________________________ Northern Virginia Community College ADVANCED RIDER TRAINING LOUDOUN CAMPUS 1998 The Loudoun Campus of Northern Virginia Community College and the Department of Motor Vehicles co-sponsor the ADVANCED RIDER TRAINING COURSE. The course is designed to assist riders in improving their skills and to provide a safe environment for them to expand the limits of their abilities. Completion of this Motorcycle Safety Foundation course may also qualify participants for a discount with some insurance companies WHAT DOES THE CURRICULUM COVER? Students learn further safety skills in both classroom and range situations. Stopping on a curve, controlling rear wheel skids, and counter steering for cornering are a few of the topics covered. The course is taught by highly experienced certified instructors, skilled in providing useful feedback to riders. WHAT DO I NEED TO PARTICIPATE? A street legal motorcycle A driver's license with motorcycle endorsement Registration for motorcycle Proof of insurance Appropriate clothing (DOT approved helmets, leather gloves, boots or sturdy shoes that cover the ankles, long-sleeved jacket, long pants). STUDENTS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO RIDE WITHOUT THE PROPER CLOTHING. WHEN ARE CLASSES HELD? Sundays 8 AM - 5 PM at the Loudoun Campus, Route 7 in Sterling. 1998 SCHEDULE OF CLASSES MARCH MAY JUNE JULY AUG SEPT OCT 29 17 7 12 2 13 4 24 14 16 27 31 28 Private group classes can be arranged by calling Claire Wynn at (703) 450-2552 COST: $55.00 TO REGISTER: By phone: using Mastercard or Visa (703) 450-2552 In Person: at the Office of Continuing Education By Mail: fill out the coupon below and mail it to the campus PLEASE NOTE: NO TRANSFERS OR REFUNDS CAN BE MADE BEGINNING TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THE DATE OF EACH COURSE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NVCC, LOUDOUN CAMPUS 1000 Harry Byrd Highway Sterling, VA 20164 ATTN: Claire Wynn, Continuing Education Motorcycle Program Coordinator SSN # __________________________________ HOME PHONE __________________________________ WORK PHONE __________________________________ NAME: ________________________________________________________________ ADDRESS: _____________________________________________________________ CITY: ________________________________ STATE: _______ ZIP: _________ VISA # or MC # __________________________________ EXP. DATE _________ CHECK # __________________________________ CASH _____________________ (Office Use Only) TERM: 3/98 CODE: PHED 962 ______________________________________________________________________ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 17:30:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26173; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07679; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00974; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-14.s14.as1.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.14]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05942; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:29:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802112229.RAA05942@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles , "John C. Kozyn" Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:28:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Pics Finally Up! Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34E24637.5BF1@mnsinc.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Hey DC Guys and Gals, > > I finally got the pictures developed from our ride out to Sugarloaf > Mountain and our Skills Test Day a couple of weeks ago. These may be > found (respectively) at the following URLs: Hey.. its kinda kewl having pictures up. It kinda makes the wackado's on the DC cycles list seem like they're ALMOST real normal people!!!! almost... hehehehehe :) :) Only you forgot to write "who's who" under the whole gang picture!! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:04:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27375; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09453; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02435; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04631; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:03:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E258F3.1F3D@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:05:39 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Pics Finally Up! References: <199802112229.RAA05942@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Squeakers wrote: > Hey.. its kinda kewl having pictures up. It kinda makes > the wackado's on the DC cycles list seem like they're > ALMOST real normal people!!!! almost... hehehehehe :) > :) Only you forgot to write "who's who" under the whole > gang picture!! Hi Squeakers, The reason that I did not is that there is one person in the big photo whose name I forget (I remember everyone else's first and last names) and I didn't want to appear like an ***hole for forgetting - so if anyone wants to convey the info to me in a L to R format, I'll be more than happy to oblige... JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:10:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27594; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02365; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23608; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-104.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.104]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id OAA07325; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:57:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980211144626.00c7d348@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:46:26 -0500 To: George Howell , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Traffic Court Yesterday... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Heh, that's a suck-up compliment if ever I heard one. :) But you're right, you'd never know it. MET At 10:52 AM 2/11/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: >There is no way you're old enough to have been driving 12 years. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:15:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27686; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02461; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23651; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA25774; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:59:05 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D419CF6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mark E. Truelove'" , George Howell , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Traffic Court Yesterday... Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:55:56 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain You guys are so sweet! blush blush - J > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark E. Truelove [SMTP:true@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 2:46 PM > To: George Howell; O'Brien, Jeannette; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: Traffic Court Yesterday... > > > Heh, that's a suck-up compliment if ever I heard one. :) But you're > right, > you'd never know it. > > MET > > At 10:52 AM 2/11/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: > >There is no way you're old enough to have been driving 12 years. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) > http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > Polaris Technology Group > http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ > Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX > DBs > ====================================================================== > = From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:15:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27689; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25771; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17882; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA22963; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:29:31 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D419CEC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Bike Show This Weekend... Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:26:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Can anyone tell me if the show will be going on Sunday too? - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:15:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27693; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26313; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18503; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00828; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from BERGIE.PARAGON ([207.152.142.55]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03216; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:45:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Subject: Re: Bike Show This Weekend... Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:44:28 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3714$b31ae600$378e98cf@BERGIE.PARAGON> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Yes the show at the Baltimore Convention Center runs Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Although I think Sunday only until 6pm, but Sat until 10pm. -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 12:36 PM Subject: Bike Show This Weekend... >Can anyone tell me if the show will be going on Sunday too? > >- Jeannette > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:15:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27697; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25472; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17559; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25260; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:20:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20437; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:20:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802111720.MAA20437@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Traffic Court Yesterday... To: jlobrien@XXXXXX (O'Brien Jeannette) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:20:15 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D419CD7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> from "O'Brien, Jeannette" at Feb 11, 98 10:12:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hmmmm, so it was possible that you were zipping down Washington Blvd, about 3 pm? I saw a bike which looked like yours, and could have sworn I saw red hair in the breeze. Hopefully the judge will be as nice to me when I go to Fairfax County for 74 in a 55. Louis > It was Arlington Co. The judge was lowering everyone's fines & such, he > was a cool little old man. > I just told them my bike was new & I wasn't used to the acceleration & > had no idea I was going that fast until the cop pulled me over... > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 9:15 AM > > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Traffic Court Yesterday... > > > > > > Glad to hear they didn't ream you too badly. What county was it in, > > and > > what was the explanation that you used? > > > > Steve Beck > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:15:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27702; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25570; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17689; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA20740; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:23:14 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D419CEA@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Traffic Court Yesterday... Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:20:04 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I wish!! I was so lazy yesterday I took a 3-hour long nap & got nothing accomplished! Plus, I figured a nice dress & high heels somehow just wouldn't go with the bike... That's the first time I've missed a prime riding day since I started riding (except for the obligatory work crap)... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 12:20 PM > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Traffic Court Yesterday... > > Hmmmm, so it was possible that you were zipping down Washington Blvd, > about > 3 pm? I saw a bike which looked like yours, and could have sworn I > saw > red hair in the breeze. > > Hopefully the judge will be as nice to me when I go to Fairfax County > for > 74 in a 55. > > Louis > > > It was Arlington Co. The judge was lowering everyone's fines & > such, he > > was a cool little old man. > > I just told them my bike was new & I wasn't used to the acceleration > & > > had no idea I was going that fast until the cop pulled me over... > > > > - Jeannette > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 9:15 AM > > > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Traffic Court Yesterday... > > > > > > > > > Glad to hear they didn't ream you too badly. What county was it > in, > > > and > > > what was the explanation that you used? > > > > > > Steve Beck > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:15:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27706; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26487; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18813; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA31129; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:57:11 -0500 Message-ID: <34E1E5E6.B69C1606@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:54:47 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Traffic Court Yesterday... References: <199802111720.MAA20437@shell.clark.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't bet on it. Mine was for 73 in a 55 in Fairfax County. Someone posted earlier about Judge O'Flannery (or Flannigan or some other Irish name) that doesn't like motorcycles. It's true. I wouldn't advise going in front of him if you were riding a motorcycle. I believe the prosecutor knows he doesn't like bikers and will also refuse to work with you. Perhaps asking for a continuance might get you another judge. I had a lawyer on my appeal, he used my faulty speedometer, three letters of appreciation for teaching motorcycle safety and only one other moving violation in the last eleven years to get it reduced to 64 in a 55. Including court costs, it cost me $90 plus the lawyer. (The appeal was in front of a different judge.) Leon. Louis F. Caplan wrote: . > Hopefully the judge will be as nice to me when I go to Fairfax County for > 74 in a 55. > > Louis > > > It was Arlington Co. The judge was lowering everyone's fines & such, he > > was a cool little old man. > > I just told them my bike was new & I wasn't used to the acceleration & > > had no idea I was going that fast until the cop pulled me over... > > > > - Jeannette > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 9:15 AM > > > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Traffic Court Yesterday... > > > > > > > > > Glad to hear they didn't ream you too badly. What county was it in, > > > and > > > what was the explanation that you used? > > > > > > Steve Beck > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:15:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27712; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:15:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19189; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11785; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:15:22 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565A8.0053CAAC ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:15:13 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565A8.00537842.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:15:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Traffic Court Yesterday... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Glad to hear they didn't ream you too badly. What county was it in, and what was the explanation that you used? Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:15:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27717; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22685; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14654; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.226]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA27510 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:13:57 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: how long to philly? (no mc content) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:10:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3707$a4693920$6b4c440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey, y'all Sorry for the lack'o content, but how long should it take to drive to philadelphia from rockville? No traffic, it'll be saturday AM. Gotta go to the airport. Thanks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:15:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27722; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21509; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13148; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.34] (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Traffic Court Yesterday... Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 10:52:48 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I haven't had a ticket in 12 years!! Your guys' >advice was right, thank you!! There is no way you're old enough to have been driving 12 years. Congrats on the ticket. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:15:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27726; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23414; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15111; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA11812; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:36:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:36:43 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NEWBIE DUMPS BIKE ... In-Reply-To: <4b539c69.34e1bf2a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A different trick, that I use and works on the Kryptonite locks... Cut off a 35mm film canister about 1/2-2/3 from the bottom. That should fit over the ignition of the bike and it should cover up the key hole so that a key cannot be inserted w/o removing it. When you remove it, it also fits over the end of teh Kryptonite disk lock. I heard about this on the .net from somwhere a while ago and have been using it eve since. On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > LOL no one get alarmed please! I tried to take off WITHOUT removing the disc > lock on the front wheel .... DUH .... so the bike moved exactly one foot at > about one MPH and then gently deposited me (and itself) upon the ground .... > the only problem I had was it flooded the engine ....amazingly, my blinker > didn't even break .... the amusing part (to many bystanders, I'm sure) was > watching me (5'7" 135 lbs) trying to lift it back upright ..... but I DID IT > :D much to the chagrin of the kind gentleman who came trotting over to help me > lift it up, arriving just as I got it upright! ;D I didn't even hurt my back > ......... (well....ok....I hurt it a little :D) > > (((now don't TELL anyone you guys!))))) > ;D > > Marcy > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:19:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27840; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19269; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11909; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA24984; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:15:04 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D419CD7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Traffic Court Yesterday... Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:12:59 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain It was Arlington Co. The judge was lowering everyone's fines & such, he was a cool little old man. I just told them my bike was new & I wasn't used to the acceleration & had no idea I was going that fast until the cop pulled me over... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 9:15 AM > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Traffic Court Yesterday... > > > Glad to hear they didn't ream you too badly. What county was it in, > and > what was the explanation that you used? > > Steve Beck > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:19:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27844; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19788; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12292; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:32:35 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565A8.005561EA ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:32:36 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565A8.0054042C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:32:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I tried to take off WITHOUT removing the disc lock on the front wheel. Don't feel too bad. I've heard this same story from many other riders. And they sometimes end up breaking expensive parts when it happens. For that reason, I promised myself not to use one of those locks. One of the methods to remember the lock is in place is to carry an uncut key that fits your ignition and put it in the ignition right after installing the lock. That way when you go to put your real key in, it will be a reminder to take the disc lock off. Glad to hear you weren't hurt. Those low speed get offs tend to be much more forgiving than the high speed type. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:23:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27928; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18236; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11178; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA14932; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:52:04 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D419CD1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Traffic Court Yesterday... Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:49:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, I took the advice I got off the list & went to traffic court to take care of my 45 in a 25 ticket on my bike (it wasn't reckless, just speeding, thank Goddess) . My roommate's a deputy so he suggested pleading guilty with an explanation. That's what I did. The judge lowered the speeding to 44 in a 25 which will save me points & suspended $30 of the charge. So, I spent a total of $62. To tell the truth, I was more worried about the points than the $$. I haven't had a ticket in 12 years!! Your guys' advice was right, thank you!! : ) - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:23:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27931; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:23:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19043; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11691; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:10:02 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id 1BZHa13008 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:09:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4b539c69.34e1bf2a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:09:28 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: NEWBIE DUMPS BIKE ... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 LOL no one get alarmed please! I tried to take off WITHOUT removing the disc lock on the front wheel .... DUH .... so the bike moved exactly one foot at about one MPH and then gently deposited me (and itself) upon the ground .... the only problem I had was it flooded the engine ....amazingly, my blinker didn't even break .... the amusing part (to many bystanders, I'm sure) was watching me (5'7" 135 lbs) trying to lift it back upright ..... but I DID IT :D much to the chagrin of the kind gentleman who came trotting over to help me lift it up, arriving just as I got it upright! ;D I didn't even hurt my back ......... (well....ok....I hurt it a little :D) (((now don't TELL anyone you guys!))))) ;D Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 18:54:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28372; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11948; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03883; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cagw2.att.com; Wed Feb 11 12:02 EST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com (dcn72.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.2]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA22569 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD36DC.CE489450@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:04:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dow, Michael" To: "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Beck, Steve'" Subject: RE: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:04:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can attest to that! -Sash > >Glad to hear you weren't hurt. Those low speed get offs tend to be much >more forgiving than the high speed type. > >Steve Beck > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 19:09:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28607; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:09:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05010; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28298; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:35:23 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id HIOHa18875; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:34:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:34:00 EST To: louis@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Traffic Court Yesterday... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-02-11 12:32:11 EST, louis@XXXXXX writes: << Hopefully the judge will be as nice to me when I go to Fairfax County for 74 in a 55. >> My impression is that Fairfax is cracking down. Knee jerk reaction to "aggressive driving". Expect no mercy. Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 19:13:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28653; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05435; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:43:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28647; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00880 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:43:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E24637.5BF1@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:45:43 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Pics Finally Up! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys and Gals, I finally got the pictures developed from our ride out to Sugarloaf Mountain and our Skills Test Day a couple of weeks ago. These may be found (respectively) at the following URLs: http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dc-cycle1.htm http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dc-cycle2.htm JK (D-mode) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 19:13:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28658; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06607; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00270; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07504; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA28698; Wed, 11 Feb 98 17:09:15 EST Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 11 Feb 98 14:10:52 0000 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 11 Feb 98 14:10:23 0000 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:08:22 +0000 Subject: Re: CX500's Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: <3.0.5.32.19980210203541.00890a50@mail.his.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <4DAEC204452F@bayview.dt.navy.mil> > Re water pumps: MCN suggests avoiding any (e.g. most automotive) > anti-freeze that contain silicates (abrasives) in Gold Wings. Cheesy Honda > seals. This may also be relevant to CX/GL 500-650 motors. Anyone know? I think this warning applied to all Honda water pumps. Honda's official statement was something like: We cannot guaranty the appropriateness of somebody else's product so you should always buy everything but gas from your franchised Honda dealer. No antifreeze product specifically made for motorcycles has the abrasive silicates. In other words: It's your own fault for putting car fluids in your bike. :-O (Ducking and running!) Bruce Dimon Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 20:19:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29364; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12856; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05515; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-124.s124.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.124]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA11892 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:27:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E25114.B7AC4FD4@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:32:05 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: KZ550 help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I finally picked up another starter for the ole KZ. Amazingly with a little jump start, the thing started up and ran fairly good. Not bad for being parked in a corner and forgotten for months on end..... Anyhow, I need some troubleshooting help, and I haven't had a chance to pick up a haynes or clymer for it yet (which one's better??) First off, what resistance measurements should I be getting from the coils? Second, what's the procedure for determining if the regulator is good or bad (I think this is the guilty culprit...getting 0 charge back to battery) Any help would be appreciated....I need to get this beast up and running since I'm seriously thinking of getting rid of my gixer soon, and I really miss riding to work lately (metro sucks... 3 breakdowns on it in less than a weeks time) Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 11 21:15:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29901; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07220; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00741; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:22:27 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: from RDWOODJR@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id 1OAa017132 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:21:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34406654.34e22481@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:21:50 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: NEWBIE DUMPS BIKE ... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 61 << LOL no one get alarmed please! I tried to take off WITHOUT removing the disc lock on the front wheel .... DUH .... so the bike moved exactly one foot at about one MPH and then gently deposited me (and itself) upon the ground .... the only problem I had was it flooded the engine ....amazingly, my blinker didn't even break .... the amusing part (to many bystanders, I'm sure) was watching me (5'7" 135 lbs) trying to lift it back upright ..... but I DID IT :D much to the chagrin of the kind gentleman who came trotting over to help me lift it up, arriving just as I got it upright! ;D I didn't even hurt my back ......... (well....ok....I hurt it a little :D) (((now don't TELL anyone you guys!))))) ;D Marcy >> I have ordered a few caliper brackets for customers that did the same thing. So when I bought a disc lock, I put a "downlock flag" on my key fob. A "downlock flag" is attached to military aircraft's suspension and other items like ejection seats (my specialty in the Navy, years ago, as well as being a plane captain). The flag says "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" and is red. The Smithsonian Air & Space museum sells them for about $3. They are a smaller version of the real thing at 1x6 inches. Very effective. I'm glad it only hurt a little, I still remember the Marine who pulled a wheelie from a dead stop with the lock in place. He didn't get hurt a little. And we sold him a lot of bodywork. I've had skin grafted to rashed parts and have a strong sense of empathy. |8-p Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 02:32:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04165; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14895; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09755; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.43] (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bike Show This Weekend... Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 00:27:37 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Can anyone tell me if the show will be going on Sunday too? Funny. I'm stuck going to Hopkins on Friday, so I'm going to go to the show, and maybe hit a restaurant in little italy. Anybody know what time the show is open on Friday, or where a contact ph. no. is? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 02:37:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04181; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:37:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14941; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09759; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.43] (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:33:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: NEWBIE DUMPS BIKE ... Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 00:27:49 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >So when I bought a disc lock, I put a "downlock flag" on my key fob. A >"downlock flag" is attached to military aircraft's suspension and other items >like ejection seats (my specialty in the Navy, years ago, as well as being a >plane captain). The flag says "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" and is red. The >Smithsonian Air & Space museum sells them for about $3. They are a smaller >version of the real thing at 1x6 inches. Very effective. There's a company that sells 'em mail order. Saw a product blurb in a moto-rag about 6-8 weeks ago. Come in many colors. Has a keychain type ring on the end. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:04:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13875; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29661; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26366; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cagw2.att.com; Thu Feb 12 12:15 EST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com (dcn72.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.2]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id MAA14856 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD37B0.A78401E0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:20:50 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dow, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Cagers vs. Roads (Was:Text book) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:20:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing like warming oneself by the flames. Speaking of which, wonder what my INSURANCE COMPANY would have to say about what causes wrecks more often, cars or road conditions . . . =) -Sash Michael A. Dow LAN Support Team AT&T, Dulles Corner (703) 713-7062 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:11:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14230; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00255; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26921; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA03609 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:11:53 -0500 Message-ID: <34E33ACB.BE7F9DF8@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:09:16 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Helmet law thread Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my opinion, some of which might be supported by actual fact. Wearing a motorcycle helmet when involved in a motorcycle accident is likely to prevent injury or death, therefore not wearing one when involved in such an accident might well be considered stupid. It should not be illegal to do something stupid unless the stupid act has a high probability of causing DIRECT injury or DIRECT property damage to another citizen. In other words, if you are riding a motorcycle without a helmet and the cup holder on the motorcycle has a half-full can of cold beer, that action should not be illegal in-and-of itself. Neither of the infractions of current law is likely to cause direct injury or property damage to another. -and that's what I've got to say about that. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:12:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14290; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24063; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20706; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:09:52 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565A9.0058CFAB ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:10:03 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565A9.005829B9.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:09:58 -0400 Subject: Text book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII anyway..it's just MHO so let's let it die quietly..I don't want the helmet/nohelmet debate to flare up again PLEASE.. ;-) Screw that! LET THE FLAMES FLY!!! It's so much more fun to read a flame war than all the usual boring BS that normally gets discussed. IMHO that is. It will help get us all warmed up for the upcoming riding season. 8-) Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:15:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14431; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00648; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27381; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id NAA25575; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma025564; Thu, 12 Feb 98 13:14:07 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <1N2CCGPN>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:13:43 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC60@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:13:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Squeakers writes: "Whitesides comment DID make the assumption that nature thinks that we should all degenerate ( I mean evolve) into a neutral gender." Huh? I think this is what is called "creative reading." --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:16:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14521; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22021; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18423; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id KAA09897; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma009868; Thu, 12 Feb 98 10:26:05 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <1N2CCGDA>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:25:40 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC54@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:25:38 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I think he's saying that those who believe that helmets increase injuries are laughable. Whether one thinks it's an option or not is beside the point, relative to that.... --John Whiteside > I dont understand. Why is that supposed to be funny? Are > you saying that those of us that oppose the helmet laws are > laughable? That those of us that feel that adults should be > given the OPTION of whether or not to wear a helmet are a > joke? > Im workin on this one.. > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:16:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14529; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23362; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20167; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16958; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:01:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121601.LAA16958@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "Whiteside, John" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:55:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC55@hrnexch1.eisi.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Actually my biggest problem with helmet laws is that they interfere with > evolution.... > > --John Whiteside > > Wow. Such wit. How incredibly clever. Those of us that prefer to NOT wear helmets just need to die off, right? Evolution at work, right? If THATS the case, then why are so many of those that DO prefer to wear spiffy bobbing helmets and spiffy 21st century brightly colored full body armour....well....weenies? Does evolution HAVE to make the assumption that men HAVE to become more like WOMEN?!?!? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:16:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14535; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23630; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20438; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19099; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:07:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121607.LAA19099@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sbeck@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:00:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <852565A9.005229E8.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > For once I would like to see some of these groups that constantly bitch > about helmet laws, put some of their effort into forcing local governments > to start maintaining our roads properly. There might be a whole lot less > people falling onto their heads if the roads were in better condition. > > Steve Beck > I see. If you AGREE with a law... you're ok. If you DONT agree with a law that takes away YOUR right to choose... as long as you shut up about it... you're ok. If you DISAGREE with a law that infringes on YOUR rights..and SPEAK OUT about it... you're "bitching". People fall on their heads because cagers dont pay attention, because cagers throw things out their windows, because cagers pull over into them, because cagers cut them off, because cagers tailgate them, because cagers KNOW that they're BIGGER then bikes. Not because of the shape of the roads. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:16:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14540; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22549; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18938; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08897; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:43:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121543.KAA08897@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:37:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199802121445.AA23823@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <199802121429.JAA05340@smtp1.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > ...no, just that anyone stupid enough to think that *not* wearing > one is *safer* is a complete moron... > > -aki >> argued helmets may actually > > > kill, since in collisions at speeds greater than 15 miles an hour the heavy > > > helmet may protect the head but snap the spine. I believe he was citing statistics concerning "scraped heads" vs "snapped spines". He was probably using statistics that took only those huge, full faced helmets that make your head bob and look like those toy thingys you put in car dash's, and so probably WOULD break your neck. Maybe we should change the helmet law to say only SHORTIE helmets are allowed. NO helmet=scraped ugly dead person FULL helmet= snapped spine pretty dead person SO.... SHORTIE helmet= pretty head, whole spine? (still a broken body though) Ya know.. maybe they should just outlaw MOTORCYCLES..since we all KNOW how DANGEROUS they are, huh? Seat belts! No! We need SEATBELTS! THAT'LL do it!!! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:16:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14545; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22736; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19047; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:41:35 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565A9.0056387D ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:41:45 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565A9.005229E8.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:41:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ...no, just that anyone stupid enough to think that *not* wearing one is *safer* is a complete moron... -aki > > > A friend of mine clipped this out of her statistics text book and gave it to > > me. I thought it would give you all a good laugh: > > > > > > In "The Case for No Helmets" (New York Times, June 17, 1995), Dick Teresi, > > editor of a magazine for Harley-Davidson bikers, argued helmets may actually > > kill, since in collisions at speeds greater than 15 miles an hour the heavy > > helmet may protect the head but snap the spine. [Teresi], citing a "study," > > said "nine states without helmet laws had a lower fatality rate (3.05 deaths > > per 10,000 motorcycles) than those that mandated helmets (3.38) Sounds like just more bullshit statistics to me. Any numbnuts can spout statistics. Our government are experts at spinning issues with the use of meaningless statistics. If Dick's point is that helmets are more likely to snap the spine, then why doesn't he do a little home work and collect the information that shows exactly how many of those deaths were actually caused by a snapped spine in the neck area. If by some miracle the resulting data showed that Dick was right, then he would have some concrete proof that wearing helmets is more dangerous than not wearing them. Such proof would be a whole lot more effective in convincing our brain dead government that helmet laws are unnecessary. For once I would like to see some of these groups that constantly bitch about helmet laws, put some of their effort into forcing local governments to start maintaining our roads properly. There might be a whole lot less people falling onto their heads if the roads were in better condition. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:16:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14549; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22141; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:29:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18692; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05311; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:35:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121535.KAA05311@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Kirk Roy Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:28:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: <199802121429.JAA05340@smtp1.erols.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > It's funny that they're trying to sell the no helmet law thing because > IT'S SAFER! > > Personal freedom and all that is one thing but to say you'd rather have > your bare head scraping the pavement at 55 mph than to have a helmet > wrapped around it is nutty thinking. Having a helmeted head scraping the ground at 55 mph aint gonna save your neck, but you're entitled to your opinion. Hell, I figure that if Im laying in a coffin, I aint gonna worry about how "pretty" my head looks anyway. For THAT matter, since I want to be cremated ANYWAY and NOT put in a hole in the ground to rot ... what DIFFERENCE will it make if my hair and face are still attached or not. I dont NEED to be a pretty corpse. > > As an aside, I could care less if there were helmet laws or not. I would > wear a helmet regardless and encourage others to do the same. > > Kirk Thats fine. Encourage all you want. Its when your opinions are FORCED on us, rather than "encouraged" that *I* have a problem with. There are times when I feel the need to wear a helmet, times when I feel a need to wear a REAL helmet , and times I feel that I *dont* need to wear one. Every adult should have the right to make their OWN decisions. Unfortunately... in this "big brother" atmosphere, personal freedoms are hard to get. Others "encourage" and are ignored, get mad (because we ALL know that THEY know best, right?) so they pass laws. Morons. You know.. I bet if I wear a full faced helmet, a seat belt ever time I get in a car, walk on the right side of the road, always floss, never walk under ladders and follow ALL the safety rules... im STILL gonna die! Betcha! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:16:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14553; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21617; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17925; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA00192 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD379F.094D98D0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:14:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:14:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I agree. I don't have a problem with someone making a conscious decision not to wear a helmet ... hey, it's their choice. But, to try to justify that decision by saying it's "safer", seems silly. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: aki.damme@XXXXXX[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 9:43 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Text book > >...no, just that anyone stupid enough to think that *not* wearing >one is *safer* is a complete moron... > >-aki > >> >> > A friend of mine clipped this out of her statistics text book and gave it >>to >> > me. I thought it would give you all a good laugh: >> > >> > >> > In "The Case for No Helmets" (New York Times, June 17, 1995), Dick >>Teresi, >> > editor of a magazine for Harley-Davidson bikers, argued helmets may >>actually >> > kill, since in collisions at speeds greater than 15 miles an hour the >>heavy >> > helmet may protect the head but snap the spine. [Teresi], citing a >>"study," >> > said "nine states without helmet laws had a lower fatality rate (3.05 >>deaths >> > per 10,000 motorcycles) than those that mandated helmets (3.38)," and "in >>a >> > survey of 2,500 [at a rally], 98% of the respondents opposed such laws." >> >> > Glenn Dysart >> > dysart@XXXXXX >> >> I dont understand. Why is that supposed to be funny? Are >> you saying that those of us that oppose the helmet laws are >> laughable? That those of us that feel that adults should be >> given the OPTION of whether or not to wear a helmet are a >> joke? >> Im workin on this one.. >> >> Squeakers >> >> Comments: Authenticated sender is >> Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:16:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14557; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23859; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20534; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id LAA13695; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xmaa13666; Thu, 12 Feb 98 11:04:08 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <1N2CCGGA>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:03:43 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC58@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Kirk Roy Subject: RE: Text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:03:41 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Squeakers writes: >I dont NEED >to be a pretty corpse. The idea is to avoid being a corpse for as long as possible. Yeah, it's gonna happen eventually, but I'd prefer later. --John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 5:29 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Kirk Roy > Subject: Re: Text book > > > > It's funny that they're trying to sell the no helmet law thing > because > > IT'S SAFER! > > > > Personal freedom and all that is one thing but to say you'd rather > have > > your bare head scraping the pavement at 55 mph than to have a helmet > > wrapped around it is nutty thinking. > > Having a helmeted head scraping the ground at 55 mph aint > gonna save your neck, but you're entitled to your opinion. > Hell, I figure that if Im laying in a coffin, I aint gonna > worry about how "pretty" my head looks anyway. For THAT > matter, since I want to be cremated ANYWAY and NOT put in a > hole in the ground to rot ... what DIFFERENCE will it make > if my hair and face are still attached or not. I dont NEED > to be a pretty corpse. > > > > > > As an aside, I could care less if there were helmet laws or not. I > would > > wear a helmet regardless and encourage others to do the same. > > > > Kirk > > Thats fine. Encourage all you want. Its when your > opinions are FORCED on us, rather than "encouraged" that > *I* have a problem with. > There are times when I feel the need to wear a helmet, > times when I feel a need to wear a REAL helmet , and > times I feel that I *dont* need to wear one. Every adult > should have the right to make their OWN decisions. > Unfortunately... in this "big brother" atmosphere, personal > freedoms are hard to get. Others "encourage" and are > ignored, get mad (because we ALL know that THEY know best, > right?) so they pass laws. Morons. > You know.. I bet if I wear a full faced helmet, a seat > belt ever time I get in a car, walk on the right side of > the road, always floss, never walk under ladders and follow > ALL the safety rules... im STILL gonna die! Betcha! > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:16:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14562; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23249; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20022; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:52:25 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA27896 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:51:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199802121551.AA27896@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:51:59 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:51:59 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:51:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:50:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Text book To: mrider@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34E30F84.61800A98@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME I am not aware of such an arguement..if motorcycles had the side and top impact protection a cage give you, then I'm sure that the use of helmets would also be prohibited. However, I have been in, as have several of my friends, accidents that without a doubt would of been fatal if I had not been wearing a helmet. However, on the other hand, I have not personally witnessed or actually heard of anyone who was killed *because* they were wearing a helmet. I'm sure it's happened, however I haven't been witness to it.. anyway..it's just MHO so let's let it die quietly..I don't want the helmet/nohelmet debate to flare up again PLEASE.. ;-) cheers, -aki > But isn't that the argument used to make it illegal to wear a helmet while opera > ting > a car? If it isn't then what is the reason? > > Perhaps that explains/proves that the members of the General Assembly that made > this > a law are indeed complete morons. > > Leon. > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > ...no, just that anyone stupid enough to think that *not* wearing > > one is *safer* is a complete moron... > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine clipped this out of her statistics text book and gave it > to > > > > me. I thought it would give you all a good laugh: > > > > > > > > > > > > In "The Case for No Helmets" (New York Times, June 17, 1995), Dick Teresi > , > > > > editor of a magazine for Harley-Davidson bikers, argued helmets may actual > ly > > > > kill, since in collisions at speeds greater than 15 miles an hour the heav > y > > > > helmet may protect the head but snap the spine. [Teresi], citing a "study > ," > > > > said "nine states without helmet laws had a lower fatality rate (3.05 deat > hs > > > > per 10,000 motorcycles) than those that mandated helmets (3.38)," and "in > a > > > > survey of 2,500 [at a rally], 98% of the respondents opposed such laws." > > > > > > > Glenn Dysart > > > > dysart@XXXXXX > > > > > > I dont understand. Why is that supposed to be funny? Are > > > you saying that those of us that oppose the helmet laws are > > > laughable? That those of us that feel that adults should be > > > given the OPTION of whether or not to wear a helmet are a > > > joke? > > > Im workin on this one.. > > > > > > Squeakers > > > > > > Comments: Authenticated sender is > > > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:17:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14567; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22287; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:33:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18799; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id KAA10580; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma010570; Thu, 12 Feb 98 10:33:08 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <1N2CCGDT>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:32:44 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC55@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:32:41 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Actually my biggest problem with helmet laws is that they interfere with evolution.... --John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: Meier, Christopher [SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 10:15 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'aki.damme@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Text book > > Yeah, I agree. I don't have a problem with someone making a conscious > decision not to wear a helmet ... hey, it's their choice. > > But, to try to justify that decision by saying it's "safer", seems > silly. > > Later, > chris > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ------------ > > > >---------- > >From: aki.damme@XXXXXX[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 9:43 AM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Text book > > > >...no, just that anyone stupid enough to think that *not* wearing > >one is *safer* is a complete moron... > > > >-aki > > > >> > >> > A friend of mine clipped this out of her statistics text book and > gave it > >>to > >> > me. I thought it would give you all a good laugh: > >> > > >> > > >> > In "The Case for No Helmets" (New York Times, June 17, 1995), > Dick > >>Teresi, > >> > editor of a magazine for Harley-Davidson bikers, argued helmets > may > >>actually > >> > kill, since in collisions at speeds greater than 15 miles an hour > the > >>heavy > >> > helmet may protect the head but snap the spine. [Teresi], citing > a > >>"study," > >> > said "nine states without helmet laws had a lower fatality rate > (3.05 > >>deaths > >> > per 10,000 motorcycles) than those that mandated helmets (3.38)," > and "in > >>a > >> > survey of 2,500 [at a rally], 98% of the respondents opposed such > laws." > >> > >> > Glenn Dysart > >> > dysart@XXXXXX > >> > >> I dont understand. Why is that supposed to be funny? Are > >> you saying that those of us that oppose the helmet laws are > >> laughable? That those of us that feel that adults should be > >> given the OPTION of whether or not to wear a helmet are a > >> joke? > >> Im workin on this one.. > >> > >> Squeakers > >> > >> Comments: Authenticated sender is > >> Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > >> > >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:17:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14616; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23086; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19868; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1P01PTWB>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:47:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: Scot Kight To: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. '" , "'kevin thomas '" Cc: "'dc-cycles '" Subject: RE: cbr1k,600,zx11-- Ducati?? Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:47:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well it sounds kinda like he wants straight line speed, but with a sporty touch. The ZX-11 or CBR1000 fits the bill, with the zx-11 being a slightly more powerful package. If he is more inclined towards the sporty side, he also might want to consider dropping a little bit more change (well a lot more) and getting a ducati ST2. Most amazing sport tourer I have ever seen. Great torque, hard bags stock, movable exhaust for the hard riding commute :> a comfortable seat, and the amazing ducati handling. The only problem I see is the price, at 12k it aint cheap :< And no, there isnt any 1 thing it truely excells at, but like the magazines say.. it does EVERYTHING very well. If he dosent want the super cool stuff on the ST2, he might want a 900ss (I have one) 300+ miles is no problem whatsoever if you get a corbin. Stock the bike is very quiet, and the vibration is, well.. different. It is definitly not uncomfortable and I can ride forever. Now I currently have 2brothers exhaust cans and an open airbox, so earplugs are a definite must on long rides, but the handling is amazing, and the power visceral. I am about 5'11 and 180lbs... so I might not be the perfect comparison, but at my height, I sat down, and on the 900ss EVERYTHING was perfect. Then after riding a 170 mile ride home, I discovered the bars were a little to far "in" so I loosened up the clamps, and moved them up and out an inch, no problem. The ST2 on the other hand has much higher bars naturally, and a wider, less agressive setup naturally, with nice long spacing for your legs to the pegs. Yes yes.. I know, I am a riding ducati commercial. What can I say? Go ride one :> Oh and the license plate on my car (soon, I got it approved, its being made right now) says Ducatis. :> (oh and this is a VA plate, specifically a Patriot plate... Anyone see the irony in that? :> ) And the biggest suggestion I can make here, dont buy a demo bike. You will probably end up paying that difference in labour costs alone. Some 17yr old kid has ragged it silly in all likelyhood. :< Lastly, insurance. 23, State farm insurance, 278 for insurance on a 98 ST2. Full coverage. You need to have a car insured with them also. 900ss/cr - 8000 900ss/sp - 10000 ST2 - 12000 748 - 13500 916 - 16000 ST4 - Unknown, But I cant wait :> -----Original Message----- At 08:24 PM 2/10/98 -0500, kevin thomas wrote: > He's about 6', 250lbs, and thinks he >wants a CBR1000. > He thinks he's too >big and heavy for a CBR 600. I try to tell him the 600 is faster than the old 1000 Ninja, You're right, the current ZX-6 can outmatch the old 1000s. Anybody do sport touring on a >liter-bike they like better than CBR1000s? I personally prefer ZX11s. Any >perspectives for me at all? I strongly prefer the ZX-11, particularly for a larger rider. I'm 6'1" and found only a few bikes that felt comfortable. However, the biggest problem was trying to assess that on a parked bike in the showroom. >The CBR1000 is priced near book at $7000. 96, with 500 miles, at a dealer >(Heyser), with a 6mo warranty. The VFR is a 94 with 10k for $6000, also at >Heyser. I'd be very wary of a bike that was being sold in the middle of its break-in period. Even with the warranty, the early damage that can be done can be extensive. If hardcore cornering is his thing, then a middle weight will do him well. I'd recommend a ZX-6 or 600F2/3. If he wants to ride fast and far, then he should get a ZX-11, the king of that class. When I considered buying one, I asked a friend (a veterinarian) what it was like to ride one. He said, "It's like I was touched by the hand of God." This guy owned several bikes, including a 900RR and 600F2. > The CBR price sounds ok, tho I percieve >that to be a bike he'd have trouble selling quickly if he doesn't like it. If someone is willing to be the third owner in the bike's first 1000 miles, sell him some Florida real estate, too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:18:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14622; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21452; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17806; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:09:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22873; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08361 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:09:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980212095612.008bde40@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:56:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Team Charm in 1st '98 event Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Read all about my 100 mph crash 1/31/98 at the races... http://www.his.com/~harris/news.htm Enjoy. Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:18:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14627; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19361; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16543; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05340; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:29:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121429.JAA05340@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: DC Cycles , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:23:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > A friend of mine clipped this out of her statistics text book and gave it to > me. I thought it would give you all a good laugh: > > > In "The Case for No Helmets" (New York Times, June 17, 1995), Dick Teresi, > editor of a magazine for Harley-Davidson bikers, argued helmets may actually > kill, since in collisions at speeds greater than 15 miles an hour the heavy > helmet may protect the head but snap the spine. [Teresi], citing a "study," > said "nine states without helmet laws had a lower fatality rate (3.05 deaths > per 10,000 motorcycles) than those that mandated helmets (3.38)," and "in a > survey of 2,500 [at a rally], 98% of the respondents opposed such laws." > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX I dont understand. Why is that supposed to be funny? Are you saying that those of us that oppose the helmet laws are laughable? That those of us that feel that adults should be given the OPTION of whether or not to wear a helmet are a joke? Im workin on this one.. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:18:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14632; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20632; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17237; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:45:34 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA23823 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:45:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199802121445.AA23823@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:45:57 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:45:57 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:45:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 9:43:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Text book To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199802121429.JAA05340@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME ...no, just that anyone stupid enough to think that *not* wearing one is *safer* is a complete moron... -aki > > > A friend of mine clipped this out of her statistics text book and gave it to > > me. I thought it would give you all a good laugh: > > > > > > In "The Case for No Helmets" (New York Times, June 17, 1995), Dick Teresi, > > editor of a magazine for Harley-Davidson bikers, argued helmets may actually > > kill, since in collisions at speeds greater than 15 miles an hour the heavy > > helmet may protect the head but snap the spine. [Teresi], citing a "study," > > said "nine states without helmet laws had a lower fatality rate (3.05 deaths > > per 10,000 motorcycles) than those that mandated helmets (3.38)," and "in a > > survey of 2,500 [at a rally], 98% of the respondents opposed such laws." > > > Glenn Dysart > > dysart@XXXXXX > > I dont understand. Why is that supposed to be funny? Are > you saying that those of us that oppose the helmet laws are > laughable? That those of us that feel that adults should be > given the OPTION of whether or not to wear a helmet are a > joke? > Im workin on this one.. > > Squeakers > > Comments: Authenticated sender is > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:18:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14634; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21142; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17453; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ITHKX22LW08ZOXY1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:57:07 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:49:16 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:49:16 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:50:20 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Text book In-reply-to: <199802121429.JAA05340@smtp1.erols.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:50:21 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1230IGA248MM X400-MTS-identifier: [;61949021208991/2339971@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >>In "The Case for No Helmets" (New York Times, June 17, 1995), Dick >>Teresi, editor of a magazine for Harley-Davidson bikers, argued >>helmets may actually kill, since in collisions at speeds greater than >>15 miles an hour the heavy helmet may protect the head but snap the >>spine. [Teresi], citing a "study," said "nine states without helmet >>laws had a lower fatality rate (3.05 deaths per 10,000 motorcycles) >>than those that mandated helmets (3.38)," and "in a survey of 2,500 >>[at a rally], 98% of the respondents opposed such laws." > > I dont understand. Why is that supposed to be funny? Are >you saying that those of us that oppose the helmet laws are >laughable? That those of us that feel that adults should be >given the OPTION of whether or not to wear a helmet are a >joke? > Im workin on this one.. It's funny that they're trying to sell the no helmet law thing because IT'S SAFER! Personal freedom and all that is one thing but to say you'd rather have your bare head scraping the pavement at 55 mph than to have a helmet wrapped around it is nutty thinking. As an aside, I could care less if there were helmet laws or not. I would wear a helmet regardless and encourage others to do the same. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:18:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14641; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21318; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17703; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA31084; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:07:11 -0500 Message-ID: <34E30F84.61800A98@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:04:37 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Text book References: <199802121445.AA23823@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But isn't that the argument used to make it illegal to wear a helmet while operating a car? If it isn't then what is the reason? Perhaps that explains/proves that the members of the General Assembly that made this a law are indeed complete morons. Leon. aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > ...no, just that anyone stupid enough to think that *not* wearing > one is *safer* is a complete moron... > > -aki > > > > > > A friend of mine clipped this out of her statistics text book and gave it to > > > me. I thought it would give you all a good laugh: > > > > > > > > > In "The Case for No Helmets" (New York Times, June 17, 1995), Dick Teresi, > > > editor of a magazine for Harley-Davidson bikers, argued helmets may actually > > > kill, since in collisions at speeds greater than 15 miles an hour the heavy > > > helmet may protect the head but snap the spine. [Teresi], citing a "study," > > > said "nine states without helmet laws had a lower fatality rate (3.05 deaths > > > per 10,000 motorcycles) than those that mandated helmets (3.38)," and "in a > > > survey of 2,500 [at a rally], 98% of the respondents opposed such laws." > > > > > Glenn Dysart > > > dysart@XXXXXX > > > > I dont understand. Why is that supposed to be funny? Are > > you saying that those of us that oppose the helmet laws are > > laughable? That those of us that feel that adults should be > > given the OPTION of whether or not to wear a helmet are a > > joke? > > Im workin on this one.. > > > > Squeakers > > > > Comments: Authenticated sender is > > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:18:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14645; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18982; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15280; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1XLM744Z>; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:24:50 -0500 Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1T55PSDR>; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:02:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles Subject: Text book Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:00:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) A friend of mine clipped this out of her statistics text book and gave it to me. I thought it would give you all a good laugh: In "The Case for No Helmets" (New York Times, June 17, 1995), Dick Teresi, editor of a magazine for Harley-Davidson bikers, argued helmets may actually kill, since in collisions at speeds greater than 15 miles an hour the heavy helmet may protect the head but snap the spine. [Teresi], citing a "study," said "nine states without helmet laws had a lower fatality rate (3.05 deaths per 10,000 motorcycles) than those that mandated helmets (3.38)," and "in a survey of 2,500 [at a rally], 98% of the respondents opposed such laws." Also check out http://poseur.4x4.org/ for another good laugh Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:18:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14648; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19113; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15700; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21015; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA22667 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:51:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980212084907.00892100@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:49:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: KZ550 help In-Reply-To: <34E25114.B7AC4FD4@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:32 PM 2/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >Second, what's the procedure for determining if the regulator is good or >bad (I think this is the guilty culprit...getting 0 charge back to >battery) Regulators do go bad, but more often its a stator or rectifier on older bikes like the KZ. Start by measuring the VAC output of the stator. Measure across one the the three leads coming from the stator. You should have about 30-50 VAC across each of the leads. If it lower than say, 25, thru 45% of the the rpm range then you need a new stator. Next check the VDC at the battery. You should have at least 13 above 4K rpm (be sure to reconnect the stator). Finally you should use a shunt & measure the Amp at the positive lead of the battery. First measure so see if you have key off draw, then start the bike & rev it up, amps should be a minor negative value at idle, becoming positive at around 3k, reaching apprx 10 amps at 7k rpm. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:18:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14657; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18920; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15091; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:05:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA24090 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:02:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD378C.ECCDC7A0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:05:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'RDWOODJR@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" , "'George Howell'" Subject: RE: NEWBIE DUMPS BIKE ... Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:04:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They also had some for sale at the NYC bike show ... perhaps they'll be available at the Balt one? Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 12:27 AM >To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX; DC Cycles >Subject: Re: NEWBIE DUMPS BIKE ... > >>So when I bought a disc lock, I put a "downlock flag" on my key fob. A >>"downlock flag" is attached to military aircraft's suspension and other >>items >>like ejection seats (my specialty in the Navy, years ago, as well as being a >>plane captain). The flag says "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" and is red. The >>Smithsonian Air & Space museum sells them for about $3. They are a smaller >>version of the real thing at 1x6 inches. Very effective. > >There's a company that sells 'em mail order. Saw a product blurb in a >moto-rag about 6-8 weeks ago. Come in many colors. Has a keychain type >ring on the end. > > > > ``` > (o o) >*------------oooO----(_)-------------------* >|..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| >|.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| >*--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:25:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15117; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01486; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28143; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14421; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:29:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121829.NAA14421@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles , Leon Begeman Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:23:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Helmet law thread Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34E33ACB.BE7F9DF8@illuminet.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > In other words, if you are riding a motorcycle without a helmet and the > cup holder on the motorcycle has a half-full can of cold beer, that > action should not be illegal in-and-of itself. > Leon. Your reasoning is flawed. Think about it calmly for a second. You're riding down a twisty road with a half full can of beer. You hit a bump. The beer SPILLS out. BEER WASTAGE!!!! See? Perhaps you should reconsider your views. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:28:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15142; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01702; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27450; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id NAA25673; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma025624; Thu, 12 Feb 98 13:14:40 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <1N2CCGPQ>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:14:15 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC61@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:14:14 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Some people have thicker skulls? John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 6:55 AM > To: 'mrider@XXXXXX'; 'aki.damme@XXXXXX'; Clements, > Curtis A > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Text book > > > > I wrecked my bike in June of 96. I know better than to think helmet > > don't save you ass, or head. I cracked my helmet when I wrecked, > could > > have been my head. > > Curtis > > > > and because it worked that way for YOU.. that means it > works that way for EVERYONE..... > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:43:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15696; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03140; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29205; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20675; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:48:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121848.NAA20675@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "Whiteside, John" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:41:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC60@hrnexch1.eisi.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Squeakers writes: > > "Whitesides comment DID make the assumption > that nature thinks that we should all degenerate ( I mean > evolve) into a neutral gender." > > Huh? > > I think this is what is called "creative reading." > > --John Whiteside > > Ya mean I gotta EXPLAIN this?!?!? Sheesh... Ok. Take into account comments you've made in the past. Follow along... You said that getting rid of the helmet law would aid evolution. You have said things all along to give the impression that you believe that its mostly the "harley biker type" that DONT wear helmets. Most of the "harley biker types" are men. NOT weenie men. Men that generally are NOT in touch with their feminine side. (at least.. none of the ones *I* know are) Men that DO wear helmets are the more cautious sensitive ones. MORE in touch with their feminine side. ERGO!!!!!!!!! If "evolution" rids the world of men that are NOT in touch with their feminine side..then it leaves those that ARE. ERGO!!!! You have a world of FEMININE men!!! ERGO!!!! A NEUTRAL gendered society!! See????? I thought it was obvious, dammit!!! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:43:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15699; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03136; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29200; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:42:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA14560 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD37BC.0BE10EC0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:42:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Helmet law thread Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:42:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Move to Indiana and you'll be fine. When I was there in the early 90s ... no helmet law, no open container law. They were trying to pass an open container law, but I don't know if it got through. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Leon Begeman[SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 1:09 PM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Helmet law thread >--snip-- >In other words, if you are riding a motorcycle without a helmet and the >cup holder on the motorcycle has a half-full can of cold beer, that >action should not be illegal in-and-of itself. Neither of the >infractions of current law is likely to cause direct injury or property >damage to another. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:45:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15726; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03219; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29246; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA21244; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:50:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121850.NAA21244@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "Whiteside, John" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:43:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC61@hrnexch1.eisi.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > Some people have thicker skulls? > > John Whiteside > Hey! You said something that I agree with!! WOW!!!! Its usually men that have thicker skulls, ya know. There's been statistics done that PROVE this. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:49:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15849; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03400; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29508; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22878; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:54:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121854.NAA22878@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles'" , "Dow, Michael" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:48:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Cagers vs. Roads (Was:Text book) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Nothing like warming oneself by the flames. Speaking of which, wonder > what my INSURANCE COMPANY would have to say about what causes wrecks > more often, cars or road conditions . . . > > =) > > -Sash > > > Michael A. Dow and which insurance company would that be? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:54:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16047; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24464; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:27:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21316; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A2C31960280; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:26:43 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980212112650.00a02690@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:26:50 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Text book In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC55@hrnexch1.eisi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:32 AM 2/12/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: >Actually my biggest problem with helmet laws is that they interfere with >evolution.... > >--John Whiteside That depends on whether or not they've bred yet. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:54:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16076; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03560; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29800; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:53:43 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA11364 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:54:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199802121854.AA11364@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:54:02 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:54:02 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:54:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:52:42 -0500 Subject: RE: text book To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199802121712.MAA14525@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME ...I'm curious Squeakers, how many years have *you* been riding? Every layed down a bike? I'm mean seriously, not just a Laugh-in crawl and fall over, but a *real* accident on a bike? Also did you ever take an MSF course? The only reason I'm saying this is that your comments reek of someone with very little experience on a motorcycle, let alone someone who's taken an MSF course because alot of what you say sounds like someone with little real world experience but one who's experience level is limited at best. I *know* this sounds like an insult, but it really isn't, it's just in *my* (notice the word MY) experience, the more experienced the rider, the less likely they'll make irresponsible, groundless, "from the gut, not the head" statements like you've made. Me? I've ridden for over 30 years and put literally hundreds of thousands of miles under me on more than two dozen motorcycles (yes Harleys too) and come from a family of Harley riders with *many* miles under their belts. I've also raced motocross and taken more MSF courses than I care to discuss and as the years go by, I realize more and more that comments such as yours come from the young and/or reckless who have very little experience and road knowledge and voice their opinions based on feelings rather than anything actually facts. I *still* believe that Uncle Sam shouldn't dictate if one should wear a helmet or not,however time and time again, helmets *do* save lives much more often than lose them.. PERIOD. I worked as an EMT for three years and my sister is a nurse in the emergency ward in LA and she (and I) haven't seen ONE not ONE motorcycle accident that would of been worse had the rider been wearing a full face helmet and she's seen literally hundreds of accidents, and in almost every case, the fatalities were head injuries, not arms, legs or anything else, HEAD injuries...and ALL of them could of been prevented if the rider had a proper fitting full face helmet on. This isn't "gut feeling" or anything else Squeakers, it's just the way things are, come to deal with it and you'll (hopefully) live a long and healthy life on your motorcycle of choice. cheers, -aki > > > Sqeakers, chill out. I don't think anyone will argue with you that one > > can make a really strong case against helmet laws. I think a lot of > > people will disagree with you about the merits of wearing helmets, but > > that's another story. Mischaracterizing others' comments as you're doing > > now is silly. Almost as silly as insisting that road conditions never > > have anything to do with accidents. > > > > -- John Whiteside > > > > I think that saying people that have a legitimate > complaint about something, and VOICE that complaint.. are > "bitching" is ludicrous. I ALSO think that saying that they > should stop "bitching" about the helmet laws and turn it > towards road conditions is equally stupid. You can fix > roads..and guess what. They'll just degenerate again. > (imagine that) (duh!) That has NOTHING to do with helmet > laws. I REALIZE that a lot of people on THIS LIST will > disagree with my views on helmets. I expect it HERE. I > especially expect it from you. THAT isnt my point. MY POINT > is that just because MY views arent the SAME as YOURS > doesnt make them LAUGHABLE. My OTHER point is that road > conditions are irrelevent to helmet laws. (and ARENT the > major cause of accidents...well..maybe for YOU they are) > Tell ya what. If huge bobbing helmets DO cause snapped > necks..would THAT be a case for evolution? > "Weeding Weenies Tm"? > > Squeakers > > Comments: Authenticated sender is > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:56:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16123; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03629; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29959; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA27710; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:02:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:02:45 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: aki.damme@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Text book In-Reply-To: <199802121551.AA27896@egate2.citicorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > I am not aware of such an arguement..if motorcycles had the side and > top impact protection a cage give you, then I'm sure that the use > of helmets would also be prohibited. Why? Almost 50% of car deaths are due to head injury. (I'll dig out JAMA citation if anyone's interested.) Have you noticed any race-car drivers wearing anything other than full-face helmets on their heads? And while I'm on the subject, why are seatbelts so narrow as to cut people in half in otherwise survivable car wrecks? --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:58:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16209; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25777; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22918; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA10300; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:01:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121701.MAA10300@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'mrider@XXXXXX'" , "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , "Clements, Curtis A" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:54:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > I wrecked my bike in June of 96. I know better than to think helmet > don't save you ass, or head. I cracked my helmet when I wrecked, could > have been my head. > Curtis > and because it worked that way for YOU.. that means it works that way for EVERYONE..... Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:58:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16213; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:58:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24389; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21128; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/970102ccg) with ESMTP id LAA00951 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:23:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121623.LAA00951@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: text book In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:00:50 GMT." <199802121607.LAA19099@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:23:30 -0500 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" I think I heard "Squeakers" say: > People fall on their heads because cagers dont pay >attention, because cagers throw things out their windows, >because cagers pull over into them, because cagers cut them >off, because cagers tailgate them, because cagers KNOW that >they're BIGGER then bikes. Not because of the shape of the >roads. Hmm.. I guess that means that the last accident my sister had didn't really happen since it wasn't caused by a cager. ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:58:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16218; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26481; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23287; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18127; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:19:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121719.MAA18127@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Kirk Roy Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:12:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: causes of accidents was re: text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: <199802121607.LAA19099@smtp1.erols.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > As for things being thrown out of windows, so long as you're wearing > protective gear the stuff thrown at you will probably just bounce off > and shouldn't cause you to crash. I've been hit by a full beer bottle, > by the way... > > Kirk > > > ALERT!!! BEER WASTAGE!!!!!!! Somebody threw a FULL bottle of beer! Did you GET them?!?!? Jerk DESERVES everything thats coming to him!!! A FULL bottle!!!! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:58:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16225; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24376; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21095; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27910 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:29:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121629.LAA27910@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:23:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC58@hrnexch1.eisi.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Squeakers writes: > > >I dont NEED > >to be a pretty corpse. > > The idea is to avoid being a corpse for as long as possible. Yeah, it's > gonna happen eventually, but I'd prefer later. > > --John Whiteside > That argument doesnt hold. You can die with or without. You can die at home or away from home. Accidents happen every day, every way. All the "precautions" in the world wont stop that. You just choose which precautions you feel make YOU safer (and therefore give you a feeling of "well being") and go with it. When its your turn...you're gone. Period. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:58:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16230; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24967; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21727; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:37:56 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565A9.005B6200 ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:38:08 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565A9.0059312B.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:38:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII People fall on their heads because cagers dont pay attention, because cagers throw things out their windows, because cagers pull over into them, because cagers cut them off, because cagers tailgate them, because cagers KNOW that they're BIGGER then bikes. Not because of the shape of the roads. Ok I now stand corrected. Accidents are caused by cagers. And all these years I've been worrying needlessly about sand, salt, potholes, lousy patch jobs, half paved patch jobs, slippery cross walk markings, loose gravel, hot runny tar, expansion joints, large chunks of truck tires, road debris, etc., etc., etc. Thanks for setting me straight! Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:58:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16244; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26284; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23202; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17070; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:17:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121717.MAA17070@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sbeck@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:10:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <852565A9.0059312B.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Ok I now stand corrected. Accidents are caused by cagers. > > And all these years I've been worrying needlessly about sand, salt, > potholes, > lousy patch jobs, half paved patch jobs, slippery cross walk markings, > loose gravel, hot runny tar, expansion joints, large chunks of truck > tires, > road debris, etc., etc., etc. Thanks for setting me straight! > > Steve Beck Damn. Are roads really THAT difficult for you?!?!? You KNOW what the roads are like and ride accordingly! You forgot to mention when the crews go through and put fresh gravel all over the sides of the roads for drainage and cars spread it out all over the place on the roads. Jeez.. thats just part of RIDING. Roads are ROADS! LEARN to ride on them and they wont be such a terrifying thing for you anymore. I cant believe that you WORRY about the roads..... I bet you wear a HUGE helmet.. doncha. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:58:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16252; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25322; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22083; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ITHOOZW9J48ZP834@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:36:24 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:24:03 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:24:03 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:25:08 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: causes of accidents was re: text book In-reply-to: <199802121607.LAA19099@smtp1.erols.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:25:09 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1243IGA2GJMP X400-MTS-identifier: [;30421121208991/2340692@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 > People fall on their heads because cagers dont pay >attention, because cagers throw things out their windows, >because cagers pull over into them, because cagers cut them >off, because cagers tailgate them, because cagers KNOW that >they're BIGGER then bikes. Not because of the shape of the >roads. Ah, here I'll disagree! As far as I'm concerned 99.9% of rider accidents are rider caused (regardless of how insurance companies see things). People fall on their heads because THEY weren't paying attention! Did that cage hit you? Yes? It was likely your fault for not being aware of them. Did that cage cut you off? You should've seen it coming. Did the cage tailgate you? Get out of the way! Was the road in bad condition and you crashed? Keep your speed at a level that allows you to handle road conditions. As for things being thrown out of windows, so long as you're wearing protective gear the stuff thrown at you will probably just bounce off and shouldn't cause you to crash. I've been hit by a full beer bottle, by the way... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:59:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16304; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24978; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21759; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA01705; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:37:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E3260D.CF28F071@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:40:45 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: text book References: <199802121607.LAA19099@smtp1.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not the roads that kill people, this coming from someone who's bike has not been on the salty, sandy, bumpy, grooved, pot holed roads in how long? And one more thing, about the men looking more like women comment, the day I see you in pink leathers is the day I bend so far over laughing I can touch my toes again. P.S. I hate wearing helmets too but they keep me warm when it's 20 degrees out. Jay Squeakers wrote: > > For once I would like to see some of these groups that constantly bitch > > about helmet laws, put some of their effort into forcing local governments > > to start maintaining our roads properly. There might be a whole lot less > > people falling onto their heads if the roads were in better condition. > > > > Steve Beck > > > > I see. If you AGREE with a law... you're ok. If you DONT > agree with a law that takes away YOUR right to choose... as > long as you shut up about it... you're ok. If you DISAGREE > with a law that infringes on YOUR rights..and SPEAK OUT > about it... you're "bitching". > People fall on their heads because cagers dont pay > attention, because cagers throw things out their windows, > because cagers pull over into them, because cagers cut them > off, because cagers tailgate them, because cagers KNOW that > they're BIGGER then bikes. Not because of the shape of the > roads. > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:59:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16307; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25937; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23102; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14525; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:12:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121712.MAA14525@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Whiteside, John" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:05:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC5A@hrnexch1.eisi.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Sqeakers, chill out. I don't think anyone will argue with you that one > can make a really strong case against helmet laws. I think a lot of > people will disagree with you about the merits of wearing helmets, but > that's another story. Mischaracterizing others' comments as you're doing > now is silly. Almost as silly as insisting that road conditions never > have anything to do with accidents. > > -- John Whiteside > I think that saying people that have a legitimate complaint about something, and VOICE that complaint.. are "bitching" is ludicrous. I ALSO think that saying that they should stop "bitching" about the helmet laws and turn it towards road conditions is equally stupid. You can fix roads..and guess what. They'll just degenerate again. (imagine that) (duh!) That has NOTHING to do with helmet laws. I REALIZE that a lot of people on THIS LIST will disagree with my views on helmets. I expect it HERE. I especially expect it from you. THAT isnt my point. MY POINT is that just because MY views arent the SAME as YOURS doesnt make them LAUGHABLE. My OTHER point is that road conditions are irrelevent to helmet laws. (and ARENT the major cause of accidents...well..maybe for YOU they are) Tell ya what. If huge bobbing helmets DO cause snapped necks..would THAT be a case for evolution? "Weeding Weenies Tm"? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:59:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16313; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25873; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22988; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id MAA19232; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma019156; Thu, 12 Feb 98 12:02:51 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <1N2CCGKS>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:02:26 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC5B@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:02:25 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain -----Original Message----- From: Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 6:23 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Text book > Squeakers writes: > > >I dont NEED > >to be a pretty corpse. > > The idea is to avoid being a corpse for as long as possible. Yeah, it's > gonna happen eventually, but I'd prefer later. > > --John Whiteside > That argument doesnt hold. You can die with or without. You can die at home or away from home. Accidents happen every day, every way. All the "precautions" in the world wont stop that. You just choose which precautions you feel make YOU safer (and therefore give you a feeling of "well being") and go with it. When its your turn...you're gone. Period. you know, I swore i wasn't going to say another word, but this is just one of the stupidest things I've read in a long time. You are going to die eventually, but if you're in a car crash and your seat belt keeps you from flying thru the window, it won't be today. if you land on pavement and your helmet takes the impact instead of your skull, it might not be today. You think taking reasonable safety precautions is a way to make myself feel safer -- well, I think your insistence that safety precautions don't maker you safer (note: safer -- not safe) is a little mind-game you play to avoid dealing with your own bad decisions. Now I'm really gonna shut up. --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:59:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16322; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24956; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21709; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id LAA16916; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma016871; Thu, 12 Feb 98 11:36:52 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <1N2CCG28>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC5A@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:36:25 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sqeakers, chill out. I don't think anyone will argue with you that one can make a really strong case against helmet laws. I think a lot of people will disagree with you about the merits of wearing helmets, but that's another story. Mischaracterizing others' comments as you're doing now is silly. Almost as silly as insisting that road conditions never have anything to do with accidents. -- John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 6:01 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; sbeck@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: text book > > > > For once I would like to see some of these groups that constantly > bitch > > about helmet laws, put some of their effort into forcing local > governments > > to start maintaining our roads properly. There might be a whole lot > less > > people falling onto their heads if the roads were in better > condition. > > > > Steve Beck > > > > I see. If you AGREE with a law... you're ok. If you DONT > agree with a law that takes away YOUR right to choose... as > long as you shut up about it... you're ok. If you DISAGREE > with a law that infringes on YOUR rights..and SPEAK OUT > about it... you're "bitching". > People fall on their heads because cagers dont pay > attention, because cagers throw things out their windows, > because cagers pull over into them, because cagers cut them > off, because cagers tailgate them, because cagers KNOW that > they're BIGGER then bikes. Not because of the shape of the > roads. > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:59:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16327; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25523; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22296; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09562; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:58:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121658.LAA09562@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: squeakers@XXXXXX, jay goddard Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:52:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34E3260D.CF28F071@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > It's not the roads that kill people, this coming from someone who's bike has not > been on the salty, sandy, bumpy, grooved, pot holed roads in how long? And one > more thing, about the men looking more like women comment, the day I see you in > pink leathers is the day I bend so far over laughing I can touch my toes again. > > P.S. I hate wearing helmets too but they keep me warm when it's 20 degrees out. > > Jay > Yeah.. I dont "do" cold. I DO ride on wet roads, sandy roads, pot holed roads and grooved ones, too. Ive ridden in thunder storms where the rain is blowing so hard into your face you can hardly see, and windy days when its blowing so hard it knocks you around like a toy. I just dont do "cold". and your point is? No. Its NOT the roads. If you cant ride on pot holed, grooved, bumpy, sandy roads.. maybe you shouldnt be riding. There will NEVER be a "perfect" road. (duh!!) Pink Leathers? Kewl! Where can I find some!!!!! The only colors Ive found so far are black, brown and white. Although Id LOVE red! red would be WONDERFUL. The evolution comment WAS moronic. Face it. A lot of the men that wear those bobbing sized helmetes ARE nerdy weenies. That isnt an opinion. Just a fact. Its not MY fault that they didnt quite make it to full sized man inside. Sheesh! Whitesides comment DID make the assumption that nature thinks that we should all degenerate ( I mean evolve) into a neutral gender. I dont happen to LIKE that idea. I guess Im old fashioned... but I think men should BE men. Full of testosterone. Not weenies. I cant STAND weenie men. Yuck. but Im sure you look adorable in your helmet when its 20 degrees out. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:59:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16332; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25798; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22948; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id MAA01808; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:00:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E32B88.580878C2@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:04:08 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: text book References: <199802121658.LAA09562@smtp1.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perfect road = track but Harleys don't "do" tracks do they? but Im sure you look adorable in your helmet when its 20 degrees out. Im blushing. Squeakers wrote: > > It's not the roads that kill people, this coming from someone who's bike has not > > been on the salty, sandy, bumpy, grooved, pot holed roads in how long? And one > > more thing, about the men looking more like women comment, the day I see you in > > pink leathers is the day I bend so far over laughing I can touch my toes again. > > > > P.S. I hate wearing helmets too but they keep me warm when it's 20 degrees out. > > > > Jay > > > > Yeah.. I dont "do" cold. I DO ride on wet roads, sandy > roads, pot holed roads and grooved ones, too. Ive ridden in > thunder storms where the rain is blowing so hard into your > face you can hardly see, and windy days when its blowing so > hard it knocks you around like a toy. I just dont do > "cold". and your point is? > No. Its NOT the roads. If you cant ride on pot holed, > grooved, bumpy, sandy roads.. maybe you shouldnt be riding. > There will NEVER be a "perfect" road. (duh!!) > > Pink Leathers? Kewl! Where can I find some!!!!! The only > colors Ive found so far are black, brown and white. > Although Id LOVE red! red would be WONDERFUL. > > The evolution comment WAS moronic. Face it. A lot of the > men that wear those bobbing sized helmetes ARE nerdy > weenies. That isnt an opinion. Just a fact. Its not MY > fault that they didnt quite make it to full sized man > inside. Sheesh! Whitesides comment DID make the assumption > that nature thinks that we should all degenerate ( I mean > evolve) into a neutral gender. I dont happen to LIKE that > idea. I guess Im old fashioned... but I think men should BE > men. Full of testosterone. Not weenies. I cant STAND weenie > men. Yuck. > > but Im sure you look adorable in your helmet when its 20 > degrees out. > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 13:59:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16336; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24449; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from red.uspis.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21217; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA02936; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:33:05 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'mrider@XXXXXX'" , "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:27:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wrecked my bike in June of 96. I know better than to think helmet don't save you ass, or head. I cracked my helmet when I wrecked, could have been my head. Curtis >---------- >From: aki.damme@XXXXXX[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 10:50 AM >To: mrider@XXXXXX >Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Text book > > >I am not aware of such an arguement..if motorcycles had the side and >top impact protection a cage give you, then I'm sure that the use >of helmets would also be prohibited. > >However, I have been in, as have several of my friends, accidents that >without a doubt would of been fatal if I had not been wearing a helmet. >However, on the other hand, I have not personally witnessed or actually >heard of anyone who was killed *because* they were wearing a helmet. >I'm >sure it's happened, however I haven't been witness to it.. > >anyway..it's just MHO so let's let it die quietly..I don't want the >helmet/nohelmet debate to flare up again PLEASE.. ;-) > >cheers, >-aki > >> But isn't that the argument used to make it illegal to wear a helmet while >opera >> ting >> a car? If it isn't then what is the reason? >> >> Perhaps that explains/proves that the members of the General Assembly >>that made > >> this >> a law are indeed complete morons. >> >> Leon. >> >> aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> > ...no, just that anyone stupid enough to think that *not* wearing >> > one is *safer* is a complete moron... >> > >> > -aki >> > >> > > >> > > > A friend of mine clipped this out of her statistics text book >>and gave it > >> to >> > > > me. I thought it would give you all a good laugh: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > In "The Case for No Helmets" (New York Times, June 17, 1995), Dick >Teresi >> , >> > > > editor of a magazine for Harley-Davidson bikers, argued helmets may >actual >> ly >> > > > kill, since in collisions at speeds greater than 15 miles an hour the >heav >> y >> > > > helmet may protect the head but snap the spine. [Teresi], citing a >"study >> ," >> > > > said "nine states without helmet laws had a lower fatality rate (3.05 >deat >> hs >> > > > per 10,000 motorcycles) than those that mandated helmets >>(3.38)," and "in > >> a >> > > > survey of 2,500 [at a rally], 98% of the respondents opposed >>such laws." >> > > >> > > > Glenn Dysart >> > > > dysart@XXXXXX >> > > >> > > I dont understand. Why is that supposed to be funny? Are >> > > you saying that those of us that oppose the helmet laws are >> > > laughable? That those of us that feel that adults should be >> > > given the OPTION of whether or not to wear a helmet are a >> > > joke? >> > > Im workin on this one.. >> > > >> > > Squeakers >> > > >> > > Comments: Authenticated sender is >> > > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. >> > > >> > > >> >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 14:10:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16663; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04706; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00821; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA00890; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:15:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:15:51 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Whiteside, John" Subject: RE: Text book In-Reply-To: <199802121743.MAA28600@smtp1.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Squeakers wrote: > Im sure that the person with OCD paranoia that puts tin > foil on his windows to "protect" himself from stray alien > thoughts considers what HE'S doing to be a "reasonable > safety" measure. Foil is unnecessary; chicken wire or window screening are equally effective. 8*) --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 14:18:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16843; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05381; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from red.uspis.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01061; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA04459; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:23:32 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Leon Begeman'" , "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Helmet law thread Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:18:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What kind of bike do you ride? A cup holder? >---------- >From: Squeakers[SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 8:23 AM >To: dc-cycles; Leon Begeman >Subject: Re: Helmet law thread > > >> In other words, if you are riding a motorcycle without a helmet and the >> cup holder on the motorcycle has a half-full can of cold beer, that >> action should not be illegal in-and-of itself. > >> Leon. > > Your reasoning is flawed. Think about it calmly for a >second. You're riding down a twisty road with a half full >can of beer. You hit a bump. The beer SPILLS out. BEER >WASTAGE!!!! See? Perhaps you should reconsider your views. > >Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 14:52:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17554; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:52:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06267; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02244; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15701; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:57:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121957.OAA15701@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:50:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199802121854.AA11364@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <199802121712.MAA14525@smtp1.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > ...I'm curious Squeakers, how many years have *you* been riding? > Every layed down a bike? I'm mean seriously, not just a Laugh-in > crawl and fall over, but a *real* accident on a bike? Also did > you ever take an MSF course? I PERSONALLY have only been riding ON MY OWN for a few years, if thats what you're asking. Yes, I took the MSF course before getting my license, and no. Ive never PERSONALLY been in a "real" accident. I was previously stuck on the back of bikes, and saw a cousin and a brother in law go through hell after having what you call "real" accidents. and the point of all this is? > > The only reason I'm saying this is that your comments reek of > someone with very little experience on a motorcycle, No. My comments reek of someone who disagrees with YOU.. so in your mind.. I MUST be inexperienced. > let alone > someone who's taken an MSF course I took the course, Aki. >because alot of what you say > sounds like someone with little real world experience but one who's > experience level is limited at best. Do you think EVERYONE who disagrees with you on ANYTHING are therefore ALSO inexperienced? > > I *know* this sounds like an insult, but it really isn't, it's just > in *my* (notice the word MY) experience, the more experienced the > rider, the less likely they'll make irresponsible, groundless, > "from the gut, not the head" statements like you've made. In your opinion. I know people that have been riding longer than Ive been alive, and they agree with me. Its all a matter of opinion, Aki. > > Me? I've ridden for over 30 years and put literally hundreds of thousands > of miles under me on more than two dozen motorcycles (yes Harleys too) and > come from a family of Harley riders with *many* miles under their belts. > I've also raced motocross and taken more MSF courses than I care to > discuss and as the years go by, I realize more and more that comments such > as yours come from the young and/or reckless who have very little experience > and road knowledge and voice their opinions based on feelings rather than > anything actually facts. In OTHER words.. as the years go by you get more and more intolerant of opposing views and therefore they MUST be wrong and obviously come from the inexperienced. Its called "inflexibility". > > I *still* believe that Uncle Sam shouldn't dictate if one should wear > a helmet or not,however time and time again, helmets *do* save lives > much more often than lose them.. PERIOD. I worked as an EMT for three years > and my sister is a nurse in the emergency ward in LA and she (and I) haven't > seen ONE not ONE motorcycle accident that would of been worse had the rider > been wearing a full face helmet and she's seen literally hundreds of > accidents, and in almost every case, the fatalities were head injuries, > not arms, legs or anything else, HEAD injuries...and ALL of them could > of been prevented if the rider had a proper fitting full face helmet on. > Still a matter of your personal opinions and judgements. Actually.. both of the accidents that my family members were in caused horrific damage to their bodies. One had to have part of the middle of a leg "fixed" which made it shorter than the other. He THEN had his OTHER leg shortened to make them match so he could walk again without pain. Actually.. BOTH of them had damage to the lower bodies, but nothing to the heads. (no helmets) >This isn't "gut feeling" or anything else Squeakers, it's just the way > things are, come to deal with it and you'll (hopefully) live a long and > healthy life on your motorcycle of choice. the way things are according to Aki... NOT to me. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 14:53:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17567; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06282; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02311; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:51:58 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565A9.006D23F2 ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:52:06 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565A9.006CAF8E.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:52:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I bet you wear a HUGE helmet.. doncha. Yea, a home made one thats made out of Tin foil lined with chicken wire. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 14:54:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17666; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06324; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02352; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA16411; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:58:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121958.OAA16411@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Leon Begeman'" , "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , "Clements, Curtis A" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:52:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Helmet law thread Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > What kind of bike do you ride? A cup holder? > > > Yeah, Leon! WHAT kind?!?!?!? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 14:54:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17678; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26727; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23513; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19712; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:21:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121721.MAA19712@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: jay goddard Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:15:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34E32B88.580878C2@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Perfect road = track but Harleys don't "do" tracks do they? Actually..yes, they do. At the ralleys. Like Sturgis. > > but Im sure you look adorable in your helmet when its 20 > degrees out. > > Im blushing. You neglected to tell me if you've ever seen anyone with red leathers for sale. FRINGED ones. I DONT mean body armour. I mean REAL leathers. In RED. YOU brought up pink. I want RED. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 14:54:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17683; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28769; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25291; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10520 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:45:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:45:30 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Text book In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC58@hrnexch1.eisi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm... I'm not sure if people are reading that quote very carefully... "nine states without helmet laws had a lower fatality rate (3.05 deaths per 10,000 motorcycles) than those that mandated helmets (3.38)," and " This does not even suggest cause/effect between helmets and fatality in any way. A correlation is very different from cause/effect. It may be, for instance, that states without helmet laws also have better rider education. The trick with these sort of statistics is that there is usually a large part of the story left untold. Cheers, Pete. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 14:54:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17686; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26795; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23546; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20219; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:22:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121722.MAA20219@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Matthew V. J. Whalen" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:16:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199802121623.LAA00951@tangerine.uucom.com> References: Your message of "Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:00:50 GMT." <199802121607.LAA19099@smtp1.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > I think I heard "Squeakers" say: > > People fall on their heads because cagers dont pay > >attention, because cagers throw things out their windows, > >because cagers pull over into them, because cagers cut them > >off, because cagers tailgate them, because cagers KNOW that > >they're BIGGER then bikes. Not because of the shape of the > >roads. > > Hmm.. I guess that means that the last accident my sister > had didn't really happen since it wasn't caused by a cager. > ----- > -matthew > > Yes, thats right Matthew. Glad I could help. Squeakers > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 14:54:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17693; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28634; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.CIRC.gwu.EDU by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25233; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (mpt@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09836; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mpt@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18226; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:46:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:46:58 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Tolocka To: "Whiteside, John" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Text book In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC5B@hrnexch1.eisi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Whiteside, John wrote: > You are going to die eventually, but if you're in a car crash and your > seat belt keeps you from flying thru the window, it won't be today. if > you land on pavement and your helmet takes the impact instead of your > skull, it might not be today. But I think I agree with Squeakers that the government shouldn't force you to wear one. I think it's like the freedom of choice or something. Hey I wear one of those bobble helmets. I look like a Q-Tip. I think the risks of not wearing one are greater than not. My decision, not yours, or someone elses. > You think taking reasonable safety precautions is a way to make myself > feel safer -- well, I think your insistence that safety precautions > don't maker you safer (note: safer -- not safe) is a little mind-game > you play to avoid dealing with your own bad decisions. In your opinion, bad decisions. In her opinion, good decisions. Decisions made by individuals, not by the government. Hell, if I was rich enough to buy a Harley, I'd wanna cruise around the beach without a helmet at slow speeds (10-20 mph). Actually, if I was rich enough to buy a Harley, I'd buy a Ducati first. > Now I'm really gonna shut up. Me too. _aloha_ _Mike_ AMA#608333 1990 CB-1 _Keep the shiny side up_ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 14:55:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17713; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:55:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29015; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25562; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA10656 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:50:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD37B5.1A1C9150@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:52:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:52:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Squeakers[SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 6:54 AM >To: 'mrider@XXXXXX'; 'aki.damme@XXXXXX'; Clements, Curtis A >Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: RE: Text book > > >> I wrecked my bike in June of 96. I know better than to think helmet >> don't save you ass, or head. I cracked my helmet when I wrecked, could >> have been my head. >> Curtis >> > > and because it worked that way for YOU.. that means it >works that way for EVERYONE..... > >Squeakers Depends on what you mean ... I believe that the vast majority of people are safer wearing helmets. So, yeah, I guess it would work for most everyone, with maybe a select few possible exceptions. But I believe that if you hit your head in a helmet HARD ENOUGH that it snaps your neck, then it would have squished your noggin pretty good if you had no helmet on. If you were referring to legislation re: helmets, not choosing to wear a helmet is an individual's decision that I will accept, (i.e. support repealing the laws) but ignoring, or rather not admitting that you are at greater risk while doing so is foolish. The problem is that if the anti-helmet folks admit that not wearing a helmet is less safe, the safety-crats will NEVER repeal the laws. Therefore, they tend to make unsubstantiated claims based on vague statistics. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 14:55:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17735; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28346; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24569; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA28600; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:43:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802121743.MAA28600@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Whiteside, John" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:37:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC5B@hrnexch1.eisi.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > you know, I swore i wasn't going to say another word, but this is just > one of the stupidest things I've read in a long time. Flattery will get you no where, silly boy! > > You are going to die eventually, but if you're in a car crash and your > seat belt keeps you from flying thru the window, it won't be today. if > you land on pavement and your helmet takes the impact instead of your > skull, it might not be today. > > You think taking reasonable safety precautions is a way to make myself > feel safer -- well, I think your insistence that safety precautions > don't maker you safer (note: safer -- not safe) is a little mind-game > you play to avoid dealing with your own bad decisions. You can "reasonable safety" yourself into a corner, Whiteside. Some people are SO afraid of EVERYTHING that they "protect" themselves out of a LIFE. Just because YOU dont agree with MY decisions DOESNT make MINE "bad". It just makes them "different" from yours. Is it THAT difficult for you to accapt that someone perhaps doesnt AGREE with you?!?!? Does it hurt your ego THAT badly?!?!? I DONT believe that wearing a full faced huge helmet IS going to make me SAFER. (note: safer--not safe) Thats MY opinion for ME. Im sure that the person with OCD paranoia that puts tin foil on his windows to "protect" himself from stray alien thoughts considers what HE'S doing to be a "reasonable safety" measure.(umm.. Im NOT talking about YOU whiteside.. am I?) We all have our limits and boundaries on what we consider reasonable. You prefer a much greater amount of a "safety net" than I do.... > Now I'm really gonna shut up. Ahhh promises promises.. > > --John Whiteside Squeakers > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 14:55:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17742; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28608; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24919; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:44:42 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 852565A9.006110FD ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:40:13 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565A9.0060582F.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:43:23 -0500 Subject: Re: text book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=fHmrkTyVrgO8pICphkkOyBQDqopv31KgOoX9mxkSDP9iE5g7BxspzpKJ" --0__=fHmrkTyVrgO8pICphkkOyBQDqopv31KgOoX9mxkSDP9iE5g7BxspzpKJ Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This whole helmet issue seems to rear its ugly head every once in a while...with all due respect to Squeakers, debating the issue on this forum isn't going to change anybody's ideas about helmets one way or another, IMO...it'd be like debating abortions, creationism vs. evolutionism...everyone has their own opinions and people are going to stick to their guns. I think that might be what Steve was alluding to by saying "bitching"...debating something that isn't going to sway one person's opinions. Its true, though...if *you* feel strongly about an issue, argue it at the local government level, get a petition started, cite studies and statistics, take it to the state level...but all you can do is *ask* for peoples' support, not tell them your side of the story and then get all pissy (assumed from the capital letters) when they don't see it your way. Personally I feel more comfortable with a helmet on...it makes me feel like I'm doing all I can to ensure my safety. Without a helmet you might survive a crash, but you'll have one heck of a time getting people to look at you without flinching when they see the level of plastic surgery thats been done to your face, and that your mouth is now 2 inches wider because while sliding across the pavement at 40 MPH your cheeks were almost instantaneously eroded away by the constant friction of chunky asphalt on tender skin. -Doug '81 GS 750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved squeakers@XXXXXX at AMS-Internet to file: 02/12/98 11:51 AM PIC19253.PCX) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL, sbeck@XXXXXX at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: text book > For once I would like to see some of these groups that constantly bitch > about helmet laws, put some of their effort into forcing local governments > to start maintaining our roads properly. There might be a whole lot less > people falling onto their heads if the roads were in better condition. > > Steve Beck > I see. If you AGREE with a law... you're ok. If you DONT agree with a law that takes away YOUR right to choose... as long as you shut up about it... you're ok. If you DISAGREE with a law that infringes on YOUR rights..and SPEAK OUT about it... you're "bitching". People fall on their heads because cagers dont pay attention, because cagers throw things out their windows, because cagers pull over into them, because cagers cut them off, because cagers tailgate them, because cagers KNOW that they're BIGGER then bikes. Not because of the shape of the roads. 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Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980212195441.OLCX480@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:54:41 -0500 Message-ID: <34E35384.1F2F140E@mci.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:54:44 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Text book References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See Everyones, you really are safer with a full face helmet, 'cause even if you wrap the chicken wire around a shorty helmet, those "stray alien thoughts" can still get to ya! :-) So there. End of thread! Everyone wear those little bobbin-head-doll hats, ya hear! BTW, I understand Squeaker's concern about the freedom of choice thing, if only that legislators could very easily try passing laws someday requiring *other* things on motorcycles, such as seat belts, air bags, leg protectors, an additional high-mounted brake light, etc. etc. If such nonsense ever does seriously get considered for "mandatory" requirements, we will all be in the same boat fighting against it. But I can't in good conscience agree with her re: helmets, because it's *more* than just a personal safety issue. If a biker in front of my cage (or bike) gets plunked in the forehead with a rock and dumps it in the middle of the road, and I drive off the road and crash and burn and die to avoid him, *I* get affected. If that rock would have just glanced off the biker's helmeted head, and the rider maintained control, we would both be much happier. Part of the reason I support mandatory helmet use is the *ACCIDENT AVOIDANCE* aspect of things. My $0.02, take it for what it's worth... Dale (the Horkster) Garcia Oliver wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Squeakers wrote: > > > Im sure that the person with OCD paranoia that puts tin > > foil on his windows to "protect" himself from stray alien > > thoughts considers what HE'S doing to be a "reasonable > > safety" measure. > > Foil is unnecessary; chicken wire or window screening are equally > effective. 8*) > > --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 15:02:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17967; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06499; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02776; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA02984; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA20362; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980212200026.OMXA480@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:00:26 -0500 Message-ID: <34E354DD.97225E83@mci.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:00:29 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Clements, Curtis A" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Helmet law thread References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, when Tracy had the Virago, you could very easily slip a fast-food medium or large cup of soda pop (complete with lid & straw) in between the handlbar and aftermarket windshield. She rode down the road at speed on more than one occasion with her little cup solidly in place. It was one of the few features of the Virago I actually liked! :-) She could even turn without spilling anything! I didn't know it was potentially illegal. Does VA have an open container law? Dale (the Horkster) Clements, Curtis A wrote: > > What kind of bike do you ride? A cup holder? > > >---------- > >From: Squeakers[SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 8:23 AM > >To: dc-cycles; Leon Begeman > >Subject: Re: Helmet law thread > > > > > >> In other words, if you are riding a motorcycle without a helmet and the > >> cup holder on the motorcycle has a half-full can of cold beer, that > >> action should not be illegal in-and-of itself. > > > >> Leon. > > > > Your reasoning is flawed. Think about it calmly for a > >second. You're riding down a twisty road with a half full > >can of beer. You hit a bump. The beer SPILLS out. BEER > >WASTAGE!!!! See? Perhaps you should reconsider your views. > > > >Squeakers > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 15:18:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18229; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07088; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03233; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA20555 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD37C9.49300580@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:17:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:16:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: sbeck@XXXXXX[SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 1:52 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Squeakers wrote: >I bet you wear a HUGE helmet.. doncha. > >Yea, a home made one thats made out of Tin foil lined with chicken wire. OK, I give ... that's gotta be one bonefide case where you WOULD better off not wearing a helmet! ;-) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 15:20:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18328; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07147; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03351; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA11987 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA29855 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:19:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980212201907.XAVW13559@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:19:07 -0600 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:17 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Text Books Schmext Books.. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980212201907.XAVW13559@[166.41.242.141]> Man 'O man. You don't poll your mail for a day and look what your apt to miss. Doug wrote: >Squeakers, debating the issue on this forum >isn't going to change anybody's ideas about helmets one way or another, >IMO...it'd be like debating abortions, creationism vs. evolutionism. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Harley Davidson aborted the old design and created evolutionism. HA! Fuck all this helmet safety bullshit and run your heads through a fucking wall....ALL OF YOU! DO IT NOW!!!! Tweakers,,,I mean Sqwakers,..Squeaks..baby, it's so refreshing to hear from you again. T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 15:26:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18500; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07218; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03598; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id PAA02550 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:24:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E35B3B.864972D4@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:27:39 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: A helmet comparison Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This pertains to everybody favorite subjects, sex and motorcycles Riding a bike is like sex: You can do it your whole life without protection and it could never have any negative effects OR you could have "accident" and it could effect the rest of you life on a unwanted way (short leg or unwanted child) OR It could kill you When you have a safe opportunity go bare, but if it is sketchy wear a helmet! Jay From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 15:35:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18721; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07342; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03970; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02599; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:39:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802122039.PAA02599@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:33:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34E35384.1F2F140E@mci.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > But I can't in good conscience agree with her re: helmets, because > it's *more* than just a personal safety issue. If a biker in front > of my cage (or bike) gets plunked in the forehead with a rock and dumps > it in the middle of the road, and I drive off the road and crash and > burn and die to avoid him, *I* get affected. If that rock would > have just glanced off the biker's helmeted head, and the rider > maintained control, we would both be much happier. Huh?!?!? Dale?!?!?! Im not sure whether you actually MEANT that, or if it was a joke. A rider in front of you gets a rock to the head? How about a bird in the chest? Or a rock on the leg? Or a bee in his shirt? > > Part of the reason I support mandatory helmet use is the *ACCIDENT > AVOIDANCE* aspect of things. So.. you're seriously saying that because YOU have a paranoia about someone you're following getting a ROCK to the HEAD that we should ALL HAVE to wear helmets?!?!?!?!?!? Im STILL not sure if you were serious or joking. You think that its ok to take away MY right to make personal decisions concerning MY life because YOU dont feel safe following someone who MIGHT get hit with a rock and MIGHT react adversely to that. Dale?!?!?!?!? How about just making a PERSONAL choice to not FOLLOW someone without a helmet, rather than MANDATING to those of us WITHOUT that fear? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 15:35:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18735; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07367; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03998; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02923; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:40:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802122040.PAA02923@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sbeck@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:34:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <852565A9.006CAF8E.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > I bet you wear a HUGE helmet.. doncha. > > > Yea, a home made one thats made out of Tin foil lined with chicken wire. > > Steve Beck > Thats ok. My helmet is pretty much home made, too. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 15:39:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18893; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07421; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04170; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04676; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:44:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802122044.PAA04676@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , "Meier, Christopher" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:38:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > >Squeakers wrote: > >I bet you wear a HUGE helmet.. doncha. > > > >Yea, a home made one thats made out of Tin foil lined with chicken wire. > > OK, I give ... that's gotta be one bonefide case where you WOULD better > off not wearing a helmet! ;-) > > Later, > chris > Unfortunately, I have to DISAGREE with you here. I think that THAT kind of helmet would be EXTREMELY beneficial against crazed cagers on sunny days. THINK about it. Tin foil reflects, right? You see an idiot driver trying to do something nasty to you, so you BEND your head TOWARDS him..directing a blast of refected light right in his eyes!!! VOILA! Toasted cager! :) Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 15:43:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19089; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07452; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04524; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05863; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:47:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802122047.PAA05863@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles , Todd Peer Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:41:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Text Books Schmext Books.. Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19980212201907.XAVW13559@[166.41.242.141]> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Tweakers,,,I mean Sqwakers,..Squeaks..baby, it's so refreshing to hear > from you again. > > T > Gawd! You know me!! hehehe It IS fun to do a little "tweakers" now and then, doncha think? and they tweak SO WELL!! :) :) :) Hey! Its NOT my FAULT! I hadda do LAUNDRY today and I *hate* doing laundry. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:02:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19879; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07816; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05971; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:00:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA00114; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA32020; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980212210027.XFXT13559@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:00:27 -0600 Message-ID: <34E362ED.1F2EFE18@mci.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:00:29 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Text book References: <199802122039.PAA02599@smtp1.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Squeakers wrote: > > Huh?!?!? Dale?!?!?! Im not sure whether you actually > MEANT that, or if it was a joke. A rider in front of you > gets a rock to the head? How about a bird in the chest? Or > a rock on the leg? Or a bee in his shirt? > Yep, I meant it. No smiley faces... > > > > Part of the reason I support mandatory helmet use is the *ACCIDENT > > AVOIDANCE* aspect of things. > > You think > that its ok to take away MY right to make personal > decisions concerning MY life yada yada yada... I object to someone doing something potentially unsafe on a *PUBLIC* highway where innocent bystanders could get hurt because of your bad decisions. It amazes me that this debate continues to rage among otherwise similarly-dedicated riders. You don't see Jerome Bettis of my Pittsburgh Steelers complaining about "personal decisions concerning HIS life" because the NFL says he's gotta play with a helmet. He shuts up, straps it on, and plays. Maybe we all should do the same. Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:16:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20372; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08405; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06767; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-108.s45.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.108]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA21316; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:21:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802122121.QAA21316@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:14:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34E362ED.1F2EFE18@mci.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Yep, I meant it. No smiley faces... I still cant believe it. > > You think > > that its ok to take away MY right to make personal > > decisions concerning MY life yada yada yada... > > I object to someone doing something potentially unsafe > on a *PUBLIC* highway where innocent bystanders could > get hurt because of your bad decisions. > This is so ridiculous!!! Just the fact of getting on PUBLIC streets with other CARS is a danger!!!!! EVERYTHING that has a motor and gets on the same street with you is a potentially dangerous object!!! If THATS how you think.. then why arent you objecting to trucks? They're a huge threat. How about minivans? Small cars are WAY in trouble with THOSE puppies around. And HEY! How about those poor innocent bystanders safety when I hit a pothole and go flying through the air RIGHT into them...or how about their safety when I get hit with that infamous bee in my shirt. (outlaw shirts?) You've stumped me on this one Dale. This is irrational paranoia at work. > It amazes me that this debate continues to rage among > otherwise similarly-dedicated riders. You don't see > Jerome Bettis of my Pittsburgh Steelers complaining > about "personal decisions concerning HIS life" because > the NFL says he's gotta play with a helmet. He shuts up, > straps it on, and plays. Maybe we all should do the same. Im not playing football, Dale. If I WAS.. and I was head butting other men.. Id wear a helmet. It amazes me that you can be so self rightous and paranoid that you think that its OK for others to mandate what YOU believe REGARDLESS of what THEY believe. Your thinking is definitely screwed up on this one, Dale. Agree with helmet use or not.... you have NO right to mandate YOUR beliefs to ME. If you consider me to be a potential threat to YOU.. then instead of mandating to ME.. YOU stay off the roads. Why should YOUR fear of a potentially dangerous (and HIGHLY unlikely!!) situation be used against ME. Its YOUR fear!! YOU'RE the one with the "flying rocks" fear.... Hell.. Im more afraid of the tail gating trucker (a REAL possibility for danger) than I am of a MOTORCYCLIST in FRONT of ME getting HIT with a rock in the head and making ME wreck. Get real, Dale. This is insane. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:20:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20443; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08496; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06961; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.70]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA16016; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:19:30 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:16:38 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd37fb$81cc22c0$464c440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Squeakers-- I'm a libertarian. The concept of government mandating personal behaviors is repugnant to me. People opposed to helmet laws are not laughable. People who would choose to not wear a helmet at all times, however...... Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:22:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20476; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:22:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08550; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.CIRC.gwu.EDU by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07027; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA19474; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from michael.chem.gwu.edu ([128.164.160.155]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA27320; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:22:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980212161538.007a3b00@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:15:38 -0500 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX, squeakers@XXXXXX From: "Michael P. Tolocka" Subject: Re: Text book Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34E362ED.1F2EFE18@mci.com> References: <199802122039.PAA02599@smtp1.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >It amazes me that this debate continues to rage among >otherwise similarly-dedicated riders. You don't see >Jerome Bettis of my Pittsburgh Steelers complaining >about "personal decisions concerning HIS life" because >the NFL says he's gotta play with a helmet. He shuts up, >straps it on, and plays. Maybe we all should do the same. THIS is weird. Jerome Bettis signed a contract saying he would obey the rules of the NFL. THis contract awards him MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to play a game. Does someone pay you to ride? People might get hurt, they might not. Not a good reason to enact a law. When people do get hurt financially or physically and its provable, there's a good reason to enact a law. Ick. To think I was just doing spectroscopy... _aloha_ Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:24:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20504; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08705; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07115; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id QAA12201; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma012186; Thu, 12 Feb 98 16:24:30 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <1N2CCG02>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:24:06 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC6D@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:24:04 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Squeakers writes: " So.. you're seriously saying that because YOU have a paranoia about someone you're following getting a ROCK to the HEAD that we should ALL HAVE to wear helmets?!?!?!?!?!? Im STILL not sure if you were serious or joking. You think that its ok to take away MY right to make personal decisions concerning MY life because YOU dont feel safe following someone who MIGHT get hit with a rock and MIGHT react adversely to that. Dale?!?!?!?!? " Anybody else notice the irony of Squeakers complaining that no one is respecting her right to have her own opinion, while trashing the motivations and sensibility of anyone who disagrees with her? --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:28:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20571; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08789; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07240; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:28:40 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA18207 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:29:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199802122129.AA18207@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:29:02 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:29:02 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:29:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:26:40 -0500 Subject: RE: text book To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199802121957.OAA15701@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME > > > ...I'm curious Squeakers, how many years have *you* been riding? > > Every layed down a bike? I'm mean seriously, not just a Laugh-in > > crawl and fall over, but a *real* accident on a bike? Also did > > you ever take an MSF course? > > I PERSONALLY have only been riding ON MY OWN for a few > years, if thats what you're asking. Yes, I took the MSF > course before getting my license, and no. Ive never > PERSONALLY been in a "real" accident. I was previously > stuck on the back of bikes, and saw a cousin and a brother > in law go through hell after having what you call "real" > accidents. and the point of all this is? ...that you have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about missy... > > > > > The only reason I'm saying this is that your comments reek of > > someone with very little experience on a motorcycle, > > No. My comments reek of someone who disagrees with YOU.. > so in your mind.. I MUST be inexperienced. ..take out the "so in your mind" and you're finally getting on track... > > > let alone > > someone who's taken an MSF course > > I took the course, Aki. > ..and apparently didn't learn anything... > > >because alot of what you say > > sounds like someone with little real world experience but one who's > > experience level is limited at best. > > Do you think EVERYONE who disagrees with you on ANYTHING > are therefore ALSO inexperienced? ..no, merely making a point..riding along with someone doesn't in any way relate to actual riding experience...my 9yo daughter rides with me all the time, and she hardly knows anything about motorcycles. I don't CARE if you disagree, if fact your *opinion* means very little to me, however, IMHO *anyone* stupid enough to think that wearing a full face helmet is *less* safe than wearing one, is totally uneducated...*I* have real world experience, both from the riding/crashing end as well as the rescue end. Once you've held someones brains in your hand and *KNEW* that a full face helmet would of saved their life puts a whole new perspective on wearing or not wearing a helmet. I still think the choice should be yours to make, but unfortuately, most people aren't bright enough to make intelligent decisions when it comes to their own safety..that's just the cold hard facts, that's why goverments instituted laws about seat belts..and...helmets...when someone crashes and spends the next 6 months or the rest of their lives in a coma, *their* hospital bills elevate *my* insurance premimums, plain and simple..go ahead and squish your brain if you want, but for gods sake, don't do it on *my* dime and then scream about freedom of choice. > > > > > I *know* this sounds like an insult, but it really isn't, it's just > > in *my* (notice the word MY) experience, the more experienced the > > rider, the less likely they'll make irresponsible, groundless, > > "from the gut, not the head" statements like you've made. > > In your opinion. I know people that have been riding > longer than Ive been alive, and they agree with me. Its all > a matter of opinion, Aki. > ..and your point is? I really don't *care* if you know people who agree with you, did it ever occur to you that just maybe *they* are wrong also? > > > > > > Me? I've ridden for over 30 years and put literally hundreds of thousands > > of miles under me on more than two dozen motorcycles (yes Harleys too) and > > come from a family of Harley riders with *many* miles under their belts. > > I've also raced motocross and taken more MSF courses than I care to > > discuss and as the years go by, I realize more and more that comments such > > as yours come from the young and/or reckless who have very little experience > > and road knowledge and voice their opinions based on feelings rather than > > anything actually facts. > > In OTHER words.. as the years go by you get more and more > intolerant of opposing views and therefore they MUST be > wrong and obviously come from the inexperienced. Its called > "inflexibility". ..not at all...I never implied or said that...if you can't read what I'm saying, get out a dictionary, all the big words are in there... > > > > > I *still* believe that Uncle Sam shouldn't dictate if one should wear > > a helmet or not,however time and time again, helmets *do* save lives > > much more often than lose them.. PERIOD. I worked as an EMT for three years > > and my sister is a nurse in the emergency ward in LA and she (and I) haven't > > seen ONE not ONE motorcycle accident that would of been worse had the rider > > been wearing a full face helmet and she's seen literally hundreds of > > accidents, and in almost every case, the fatalities were head injuries, > > not arms, legs or anything else, HEAD injuries...and ALL of them could > > of been prevented if the rider had a proper fitting full face helmet on. > > > > Still a matter of your personal opinions and > judgements. Actually.. both of the accidents that my family > members were in caused horrific damage to their bodies. One > had to have part of the middle of a leg "fixed" which made > it shorter than the other. He THEN had his OTHER leg > shortened to make them match so he could walk again without > pain. Actually.. BOTH of them had damage to the lower > bodies, but nothing to the heads. (no helmets) ..and based on two isolated incidents you've developed an entire lifestyle... ...people like you scare me...I know several people who has smoked cigarettes well into the 80's and didn't get cancer, so following your warped line of logic, EVERYONE DOESN'T GET CANCER FROM SMOKING.. jeezus girl wake up.. and step outside there's a whole new world out there. > > >This isn't "gut feeling" or anything else Squeakers, it's > just the way > > things are, come to deal with it and you'll (hopefully) live a long and > > healthy life on your motorcycle of choice. > > the way things are according to Aki... NOT to me. ...and your opinion is just that...we'll have to agree to disagree I guess because it's apparent that I'm not getting through to you..no one else has and I doubt, until you dump your bike and crack your head open, you won't understand either..it's sad that the only way some people will ever learn is the hard way... -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:28:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20574; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08791; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07227; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA01197 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:28:14 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:28:14 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:30:03 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT >You don't see >Jerome Bettis of my Pittsburgh Steelers complaining >about "personal decisions concerning HIS life" because >the NFL says he's gotta play with a helmet. He shuts up, >straps it on, and plays But, OTOH, we have Wayne Gretzky... Who doesn't Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:30:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20624; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08839; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07301; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.server.ibm.com (relay1.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.98]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA61040; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:25:48 -0500 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay1.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id QAA124688; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:28:36 -0500 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100014950567; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:32:18 -0500 From: Tom Knapik To: Cc: Subject: Re: Text book Message-ID: <5040100014950567000002L072*@MHS> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:32:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain AHHHHHHHHH, Dale, I agree with your logic BUT ya gotta understand that Jerome gets paid the big bucks to wear his helmet......................................he may complain all the way to the bank for all I know. Now me, on the ohter hand, I wear a helmet out of choice.............and don't get paid squatt...................must be I want to protect my good looks =:-) Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 02-12-98 04:21 PM --------------------------- Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX on 02-12-98 04:18:20 PM Please respond to Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX @ internet To: squeakers@XXXXXX @ internet cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX @ internet Subject: Re: Text book Squeakers wrote: > > Huh?!?!? Dale?!?!?! Im not sure whether you actually > MEANT that, or if it was a joke. A rider in front of you > gets a rock to the head? How about a bird in the chest? Or > a rock on the leg? Or a bee in his shirt? > Yep, I meant it. No smiley faces... > > > > Part of the reason I support mandatory helmet use is the *ACCIDENT > > AVOIDANCE* aspect of things. > > You think > that its ok to take away MY right to make personal > decisions concerning MY life yada yada yada... I object to someone doing something potentially unsafe on a *PUBLIC* highway where innocent bystanders could get hurt because of your bad decisions. It amazes me that this debate continues to rage among otherwise similarly-dedicated riders. You don't see Jerome Bettis of my Pittsburgh Steelers complaining about "personal decisions concerning HIS life" because the NFL says he's gotta play with a helmet. He shuts up, straps it on, and plays. Maybe we all should do the same. Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:35:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20746; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09014; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07488; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA26106 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD37D4.08BD4CA0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:34:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , "'Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:33:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 4:00 PM >To: squeakers@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Text book > >--snip-- >It amazes me that this debate continues to rage among >otherwise similarly-dedicated riders. You don't see >Jerome Bettis of my Pittsburgh Steelers complaining >about "personal decisions concerning HIS life" because >the NFL says he's gotta play with a helmet. He shuts up, >straps it on, and plays. Maybe we all should do the same. No, but I saw Gordy Howe and a few others from the "old School" of hockey rail against the mandatory helmet rules in the NHL. If I remember right, they ended up grandfathering the rule ... perhaps that's what we should do here ... :-) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:38:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20826; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09087; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07568; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-247.s56.as4.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.247]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA02935; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:42:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802122142.QAA02935@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Whiteside, John" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:36:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC6D@hrnexch1.eisi.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Anybody else notice the irony of Squeakers complaining that no one is > respecting her right to have her own opinion, while trashing the > motivations and sensibility of anyone who disagrees with her? > > --John Whiteside > > > Whiteside.. go home. You're obviously getting tired, because you're becoming emotional. Tough day at the office, sweetie? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:45:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21023; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09386; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07961; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:44:10 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA18753 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:44:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199802122144.AA18753@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:44:32 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:44:32 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:44:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:39:50 -0500 Subject: RE: Text book To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC6D@hrnexch1.eisi.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME ..nope..pretty much par for the course for her... > Squeakers writes: > > " So.. you're seriously saying that because YOU have a > paranoia about someone you're following getting a ROCK to > the HEAD that we should ALL HAVE to wear helmets?!?!?!?!?!? > Im STILL not sure if you were serious or joking. You think > that its ok to take away MY right to make personal > decisions concerning MY life because YOU dont feel safe > following someone who MIGHT get hit with a rock and MIGHT > react adversely to that. Dale?!?!?!?!? " > > Anybody else notice the irony of Squeakers complaining that no one is > respecting her right to have her own opinion, while trashing the > motivations and sensibility of anyone who disagrees with her? > > --John Whiteside > > > X-Priority: 3 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:48:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21104; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09507; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08136; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA19828; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA08691; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980212214600.PWQA480@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:46:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:42 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Dale Horstman CC: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Nanny Statism Was: Text book X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980212214600.PWQA480@[166.41.242.141]> >I object to someone doing something potentially unsafe >on a *PUBLIC* highway where innocent bystanders could >get hurt because of your bad decisions. Me too. But I bet there are more badly maintained vehicles out there than lid-less riders. Point: they may be driving just fine and *BOOM* out goes a tire in front of you (assume your caging) and you lose control of it and die of strangulation from your seat belt! Ha! Cause and effect. Using your original scenario, a rock pops up. Did it just sprout legs and hop, and how does that make the rider in front of you objectionable. Dude, you should know by now that the majority of motorist object to motorcycles on the *PUBLIC* highway. Sell it, by a Volvo and move to the country, because you are now guilty of that which you object. >It amazes me that this debate continues to rage among >otherwise similarly-dedicated riders. You don't see >Jerome Bettis of my Pittsburgh Steelers complaining >about "personal decisions concerning HIS life" because >the NFL says he's gotta play with a helmet. He shuts up, >straps it on, and plays. Maybe we all should do the same. Maybe not! Dale, you a 'publican religious-right conservative 'er what?! I don't think so. You know I wear a lid, but really because it is the law. Good or bad, that's what it is. The way I ride, I need it too! ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:52:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21175; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09798; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08273; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA21836; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA18319; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:50:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980212215017.PPTX452@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:50:17 -0600 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:48 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Whiteside, John" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Text book X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980212215017.PPTX452@[166.41.242.141]> >Squeakers writes: > >" So.. you're seriously saying that because YOU have a >paranoia about someone you're following getting a ROCK to >the HEAD that we should ALL HAVE to wear helmets?!?!?!?!?!? >Im STILL not sure if you were serious or joking. You think >that its ok to take away MY right to make personal >decisions concerning MY life because YOU dont feel safe >following someone who MIGHT get hit with a rock and MIGHT >react adversely to that. Dale?!?!?!?!? " > >Anybody else notice the irony of Squeakers complaining that no one is >respecting her right to have her own opinion, while trashing the >motivations and sensibility of anyone who disagrees with her? > >--John Whiteside Didn't I tell you to bash your head INTO A WALL! GET TO IT! BANG!! Your just sore John, that tweakers drew you in and slapped you. However, you may have something there.....hmmm. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 16:55:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21331; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09907; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08415; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-247.s56.as4.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.247]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11197; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:59:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802122159.QAA11197@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:53:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199802122129.AA18207@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <199802121957.OAA15701@smtp1.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > ...that you have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking > about missy... Oh GAWWWWD!! He said "missy".... > ..and your point is? I really don't *care* if you know people > who agree with you, did it ever occur to you that just maybe > *they* are wrong also? and there we have it all in a nutshell.... The world according to Aki. heh He's right... anyone who disagrees with him is wrong. His way or the wrong way. I think that if wearing a helmet makes you feel safe.. then wear one. If wearing a helmet DOESNT.. and you dont WANT to.. then dont. Personal choice. > > ..not at all...I never implied or said that...if you can't read > what I'm saying, get out a dictionary, all the big words are > in there... as I said.. inflexible. Shallow minded. A WEENIE! > ...people like you scare me...I know several people who has smoked > cigarettes well into the 80's and didn't get cancer, so following > your warped line of logic, EVERYONE DOESN'T GET CANCER FROM SMOKING.. > jeezus girl wake up.. and step outside there's a whole new > world out there. > Damn.. now we've gone to cigarettes and cancer... Stick to the topic, weenie boy. HELMETS. I REALIZE that you've been riding many many years and have learned SO much and have SO much experience... yet you can easily say that those that have ridden LONGER than you and have MORE experience than you and have LIVED a biker lifestyle yet DISAGREE with YOU.. are wrong. Aki.. you have one opinion, others have another. Your many years of magnificent solo riding DONT negate THEIR many years of equally magnificent riding.... Ive only been riding a few short years SOLO... but that DOESNT mean that Im not capable of learning from others. Comparing me to a 9 year old child is ludicrous. She sees with childs eyes and a childs understanding. (duh!) > > ...and your opinion is just that...we'll have to agree to disagree > I guess because it's apparent that I'm not getting through to > you..no one else has and I doubt, until you dump your bike and > crack your head open, you won't understand either..it's sad that > the only way some people will ever learn is the hard way... > > -aki People HAVE gotten through to me, Aki. Just not YOUR kind of people. im *not* your kind of people, Aki. I dont *want* to be *your* kind of people. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 17:03:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21563; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10103; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08805; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-247.s56.as4.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.247]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14867; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:07:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802122207.RAA14867@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "Whiteside, John" , Todd Peer Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:00:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19980212215017.PPTX452@[166.41.242.141]> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Your just sore John, that tweakers drew you in and slapped you. > > However, you may have something there.....hmmm. > > Todd > > Naw.. he's just being emotional. Men GET that way sometimes.. I tolerate it. Its expected of them. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 17:03:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21575; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10143; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:02:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from dsava.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08829; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by virginia.dsava.com id <26884>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:59:50 -0500 From: "Chris Hamlett" To: Subject: Re: Text book / Helmet laws Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:02:16 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <98Feb12.165950est.26884@virginia.dsava.com> I usually don't jump into helmet law arguments--it helps keep my blood pressure down. But I liked what Dennis Desendorf said about them. This is from http://www.activebike.com/index/features/GTRIP1/minn3.htm: "Helmets. Helmets aren't required in Minnesota, or in Iowa, evidently, based on the bare heads I'd seen. And the debate has even raged in our legislature. And I believe the helmet laws ought to be repealed. And I will wear one every time I climb on a motorcycle, and every passenger I have will wear one. And I believe that if they're repealed, motorcycle related deaths will go up. I believe in personal freedom, whatever the cost. And helmet laws are an intrusion on personal freedom. Sure, it makes sense to wear a helmet. Sure it makes sense to protect your head. I just don't think government should be in the business of protecting me from my own stupidity. All states have mandatory tests you have to pass before you can climb on a motorcycle, let the helmet information get passed there. " Remember, however you feel about the issue, if you live in Virginia there's a bill before the House right now to make helmet use optional for riders over 21. You can call 1-800-889-0229 and voice your opinion, between 7am and 7pm weekdays. I don't know if this bill has a number yet or not. Chris Hamlett '98 FXD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 17:08:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21685; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:08:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10250; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08977; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id RAA28971; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA00313; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980212220627.XNOM13559@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:06:27 -0600 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:04 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More Nanny Statism Was: text book X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980212220627.XNOM13559@[166.41.242.141]> Aki Wrote ..no, merely making a point..riding along with someone doesn't in any way relate to actual riding experience...my 9yo daughter rides with me all the time, and she hardly knows anything about motorcycles. I don't CARE if you disagree, if fact your *opinion* means very little to me, however, IMHO *anyone* stupid enough to think that wearing a full face helmet is *less* safe than wearing one, is totally uneducated...*I* have real world experience, both from the riding/crashing end as well as the rescue end. Once you've held someones brains in your hand and *KNEW* that a full face helmet would of saved their life puts a whole new perspective on wearing or not wearing a helmet. I still think the choice should be yours to make, but unfortuately, most people aren't bright enough to make intelligent decisions when it comes to their own safety..that's just the cold hard facts, that's why goverments instituted laws about seat belts..and...helmets...when someone crashes and spends the next 6 months or the rest of their lives in a coma, *their* hospital bills elevate *my* insurance premimums, plain and simple..go ahead and squish your brain if you want, but for gods sake, don't do it on *my* dime and then scream about freedom of choice. Excuse me a moment there Aki. But isn't this the same arguments used by the safetycrats in their attempt to force helmet laws to begin with? Motorcyclists barely make a dent in that dime as a percentage of total catastrophic road accidents. I don't buy it and neither should anyone else. ...people like you scare me...I know several people who has smoked cigarettes well into the 80's and didn't get cancer, so following your warped line of logic, EVERYONE DOESN'T GET CANCER FROM SMOKING.. jeezus girl wake up.. and step outside there's a whole new world out there. Curious how you feel about the government suing on behalf of all those idiots who smoked their entire lives. I say fuck'em, let 'em die. That might sound harsh, and my parents (lifetime smokers) would be dissapointed, but tough. Life ain't fair. Anyone who consciously fills their lungs with smoke should accept that it is not natural and may have an unwanted affect to their life. Hey, I was a two-packer for more than 2 years. Used to smoke weed too. Am I gonna die from it? Don't know, but I ain't gonna sue nobody over it. Likewise for those who won't/don't wear a lid. They should know the risks by now. If they die because of a lack of lid...you guessed it, fuck'em. Am I an "Angry Biker" or what? Another curiosity: what do you do for a living that you have squishy brain matter in your hands...paramedic...doctor? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 17:11:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21776; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10360; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09078; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:10:23 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA20005 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:10:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199802122210.AA20005@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:10:45 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:10:45 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:10:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:08:27 -0500 Subject: RE: text book To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199802122159.QAA11197@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME > > and there we have it all in a nutshell.... > > The world according to Aki. heh He's right... anyone who > disagrees with him is wrong. His way or the wrong way. ..I don't get it...why is it that whenever *anyone* has an opinion that's not YOUR opinion, you run and hide in your little world? Stop trying to make cute remarks, you just sound stupid... > > I think that if wearing a helmet makes you feel safe.. > then wear one. > If wearing a helmet DOESNT.. and you dont WANT to.. then > dont. Personal choice. ...I have no problem with that..just don't fun of us that *do* opt to wear helmets... > > > > > > ..not at all...I never implied or said that...if you can't read > > what I'm saying, get out a dictionary, all the big words are > > in there... > > as I said.. inflexible. Shallow minded. A WEENIE! ..lets see...no intelligent retort so start at name calling... yup.. we can always rely on you to have such a witty and thought provoking remark...you *sure* you have already suffered a head injury? > > > ...people like you scare me...I know several people who has smoked > > cigarettes well into the 80's and didn't get cancer, so following > > your warped line of logic, EVERYONE DOESN'T GET CANCER FROM SMOKING.. > > jeezus girl wake up.. and step outside there's a whole new > > world out there. > > > > Damn.. now we've gone to cigarettes and cancer... Stick > to the topic, weenie boy. HELMETS. ..sorry I forgot who I was talking to...gotta keep it simple or I'll lose you...my fault... > > I REALIZE that you've been riding many many years and have > learned SO much and have SO much experience... yet you can > easily say that those that have ridden LONGER than you and > have MORE experience than you and have LIVED a biker > lifestyle yet DISAGREE with YOU.. are wrong. ..not at all, just you..which you don't have any of the above but an over active imagination...gawd you sound like a 17 yo kid who's got all the answers but doesn't understand or comprehend a single, simple question... > Aki.. you have one opinion, others have another. Your many > years of magnificent solo riding DONT negate THEIR many > years of equally magnificent riding.... Ive only been > riding a few short years SOLO... but that DOESNT mean that > Im not capable of learning from others. Comparing me to a 9 > year old child is ludicrous. She sees with childs eyes and > a childs understanding. (duh!) ..and I don't get it..what's the difference between you and her? I have yet to see any significant difference in your opinion and hers... > > > > > ...and your opinion is just that...we'll have to agree to disagree > > I guess because it's apparent that I'm not getting through to > > you..no one else has and I doubt, until you dump your bike and > > crack your head open, you won't understand either..it's sad that > > the only way some people will ever learn is the hard way... > > > > -aki > > People HAVE gotten through to me, Aki. Just not YOUR kind > of people. im *not* your kind of people, Aki. I dont *want* > to be *your* kind of people. > ...you have absolutely NO idea what *MY* kind of people is.. don't even go there.... -aki > > Comments: Authenticated sender is > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 17:14:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21829; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10401; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09145; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:12:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA22097 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:12:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA01008 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980212221211.QFHR480@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:12:11 -0500 Message-ID: <34E373BD.55A4BC94@mci.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:12:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: AWWWRIGHT! Monday ride Anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This weekend will probably see me elbow deep in a badly needed carb rebuild and synch on my LTD. (Happy Valentine's day Tracy!) I'm hoping to have it ready to go by Monday at the absolute latest! Soo...seeing as how I have Monday off and it's not threatening to 'El Nino' around here for a while, anyone want to tag along on my shakedown cruise? I'll probably leave my house in Dale City around 11:00 am or so and generally meander south and west until I hit Fred'sburg and beyond via least-direct routes, find some warm cozy place to eat a late lunch and buzz back home on I-95. I'll volunteer to lead, but I won't know where we're going until I get there, if you know what I mean... With any luck with my carb rebuild, I won't be spilling any gas on anyone anymore either! I promise! :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 17:15:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21844; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10415; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from red.uspis.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09160; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA06372; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:20:00 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Nanny Statism Was: Text book Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:14:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How many of us are working overtime to fight? One at a time please :-) >---------- >From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 4:42 PM >To: Dale Horstman >Cc: squeakers@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Nanny Statism Was: Text book > > >>I object to someone doing something potentially unsafe >>on a *PUBLIC* highway where innocent bystanders could >>get hurt because of your bad decisions. > > Me too. But I bet there are more badly maintained vehicles out > there than lid-less riders. Point: they may be driving just fine > and *BOOM* out goes a tire in front of you (assume your caging) > and you lose control of it and die of strangulation from your > seat belt! Ha! > > Cause and effect. Using your original scenario, a rock pops up. > Did it just sprout legs and hop, and how does that make the rider > in front of you objectionable. > > Dude, you should know by now that the majority of motorist object > to motorcycles on the *PUBLIC* highway. Sell it, by a Volvo and > move to the country, because you are now guilty of that which > you object. > >>It amazes me that this debate continues to rage among >>otherwise similarly-dedicated riders. You don't see >>Jerome Bettis of my Pittsburgh Steelers complaining >>about "personal decisions concerning HIS life" because >>the NFL says he's gotta play with a helmet. He shuts up, >>straps it on, and plays. Maybe we all should do the same. > > Maybe not! Dale, you a 'publican religious-right conservative > 'er what?! I don't think so. You know I wear a lid, but really > because it is the law. Good or bad, that's what it is. > > The way I ride, I need it too! ;) > > Todd > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 17:21:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21964; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10509; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09334; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-247.s56.as4.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.247]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25976; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:25:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802122225.RAA25976@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "Clements, Curtis A" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:18:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Nanny Statism Was: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > How many of us are working overtime to fight? One at a time please :-) > > > Not me. Im cooking dinner. I WAS doing laundry and cleaning up. yes.. Im stuck in the house today... Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 17:30:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22234; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10701; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09700; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:28:36 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA20711 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:28:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199802122228.AA20711@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:28:58 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:28:58 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:28:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:27:41 -0500 Subject: More Nanny Statism Was: text book To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980212220627.XNOM13559@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME > Aki Wrote > ..no, merely making a point..riding along with someone doesn't > in any way relate to actual riding experience...my 9yo daughter > rides with me all the time, and she hardly knows anything about > motorcycles. I don't CARE if you disagree, if fact your *opinion* > means very little to me, however, IMHO *anyone* stupid enough to > think that wearing a full face helmet is *less* safe than wearing > one, is totally uneducated...*I* have real world experience, both > from the riding/crashing end as well as the rescue end. Once you've > held someones brains in your hand and *KNEW* that a full face > helmet would of saved their life puts a whole new perspective on > wearing or not wearing a helmet. I still think the choice should > be yours to make, but unfortuately, most people aren't bright > enough to make intelligent decisions when it comes to their own > safety..that's just the cold hard facts, that's why goverments > instituted laws about seat belts..and...helmets...when someone > crashes and spends the next 6 months or the rest of their lives > in a coma, *their* hospital bills elevate *my* insurance premimums, > plain and simple..go ahead and squish your brain if you want, but > for gods sake, don't do it on *my* dime and then scream about > freedom of choice. > > Excuse me a moment there Aki. But isn't this the same arguments > used by the safetycrats in their attempt to force helmet laws > to begin with? Motorcyclists barely make a dent in that dime > as a percentage of total catastrophic road accidents. ...that's true and I may have not make myself clear...I don't *care* if people wear or don't wear helmets...and I think that it should be a personal choice and *not* regulated by the goverment. However, it's not a matter how how *much* of a percentage of accidents on the road by motorcycles is castastrophic..that's not how the insurance industry works (my wife is an insurance broker). When you insure a motorcycle, you're paying premimums based on *other* motorcycles and the claims they've made..not cars, trucks or anything else... So...since there's a significantly less number of motorcyclists on the road than cages, high outpayments have an immediate and significant impact on *my* and *your* insurance premimums...you and I end up paying through the nose for other peoples "freedom of choice"..and THAT is what I have an issue with. > > I don't buy it and neither should anyone else. > > ...people like you scare me...I know several people who has smoked > cigarettes well into the 80's and didn't get cancer, so following > your warped line of logic, EVERYONE DOESN'T GET CANCER FROM SMOKING.. > jeezus girl wake up.. and step outside there's a whole new > world out there. > > Curious how you feel about the government suing on behalf of all > those idiots who smoked their entire lives. ..wha?? I never said anything about suing the goverment??? I was merely making an anology about how one instance doesn't dictate a norm...I'm not sure how you ended up thinking I was talking about the goverment sueing anyone over smoking... > > I say fuck'em, let 'em die. That might sound harsh, and my parents > (lifetime smokers) would be dissapointed, but tough. Life ain't > fair. Anyone who consciously fills their lungs with smoke should > accept that it is not natural and may have an unwanted affect > to their life. Hey, I was a two-packer for more than 2 years. > Used to smoke weed too. Am I gonna die from it? Don't know, > but I ain't gonna sue nobody over it. > > Likewise for those who won't/don't wear a lid. They should know > the risks by now. If they die because of a lack of lid...you > guessed it, fuck'em. ...if and only *if* they just take themselves and don't by their own selfish actions, end up mandating helmet laws, increasing insurance premiums and backing up traffic with their brain goo so I'm late for work.. ;-) > > Am I an "Angry Biker" or what? ..took the test and ended up an Angry Biker also... > > Another curiosity: what do you do for a living that you have squishy > brain matter in your hands...paramedic...doctor? ...I was an EMT for North Carolina for three years...rural roads have some of the *messiest* accidents...they weren't pretty sights...but after seeing more than one motorcycle fatality that could of been prevented, it's really hard to just sit back and nod my head at people who have absolutely no idea what it's like to have to scrape body parts off the street... but I digress.. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 17:54:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22738; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10913; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10511; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:46:41 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:53:25 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Picture Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone on Saturday's "Ride to the Tundra" mind if I post the group photo that we took at the lunch spot on John Kozyn's web page? John has kindly offered to hang it up there with the pictures from other D.C. Cycles rides. Sean 95 F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 18:02:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22947; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11045; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10808; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (squeakers@XXXXXX [207.172.110.247]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA16608; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:07:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802122307.SAA16608@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:00:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199802122210.AA20005@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <199802122159.QAA11197@smtp1.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:08:27 -0500 > Subject: RE: text book > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > and there we have it all in a nutshell.... > > > > The world according to Aki. heh He's right... anyone who > > disagrees with him is wrong. His way or the wrong way. > > ..I don't get it...why is it that whenever *anyone* has > an opinion that's not YOUR opinion, you run and hide in your > little world? Stop trying to make cute remarks, you just > sound stupid... > Wow. I guess you got your feelings hurt...... Get a grip, Aki. Calm down. Chill. relax. sheesh! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 18:06:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23031; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11114; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10928; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (squeakers@XXXXXX [207.172.110.247]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17756; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:10:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802122310.SAA17756@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:03:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199802122144.AA18753@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC6D@hrnexch1.eisi.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > ..nope..pretty much par for the course for her... > > > Damn. Hurt their feelings and they get all pissy. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 18:34:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23581; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11419; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11753; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cagw2.att.com; Thu Feb 12 18:28 EST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com (dcn72.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.2]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id SAA09164 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD37E4.D9337020@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:34:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dow, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Sullivan, Sean'" Subject: RE: Picture Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:34:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I refuse to be so incriminated. Just kidding. Fine with me. I have no plans to run for public office anyway. ;) -Sash Michael A. Dow LAN Support Team AT&T, Dulles Corner (703) 713-7062 >---------- >From: Sean Sullivan[SMTP:SUPERFND@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 5:53 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Picture > > Does anyone on Saturday's "Ride to the Tundra" mind >if I post the group photo that we took at the lunch spot >on John Kozyn's web page? John has kindly offered to >hang it up there with the pictures from other D.C. Cycles >rides. > Sean > 95 F3 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 18:40:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23661; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11459; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11912; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from my_workstation (client196-127-3.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.3]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id SAA29411; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:36:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980212183257.00c7cc24@StarTech> X-Sender: postoffice.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:32:57 -0500 To: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: text book In-Reply-To: <199802122307.SAA16608@smtp1.erols.com> References: <199802122210.AA20005@egate2.citicorp.com> <199802122159.QAA11197@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Personally, I think if we could find less judgmental words than "stupid" to describe each other, it would be a great start. I gotta wonder how CitiCorp would feel about this kind of conversation, too. Maybe if we thought twice about how we phrase things to folks on the list like we would when corresponding with co-workers, we'd have less misunderstandings and "hurt feelings". MET At 06:00 PM 2/12/98 +0000, Squeakers wrote: >> From: aki.damme@XXXXXX >> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:08:27 -0500 >> Subject: RE: text book >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> > >> > and there we have it all in a nutshell.... >> > >> > The world according to Aki. heh He's right... anyone who >> > disagrees with him is wrong. His way or the wrong way. >> >> ..I don't get it...why is it that whenever *anyone* has >> an opinion that's not YOUR opinion, you run and hide in your >> little world? Stop trying to make cute remarks, you just >> sound stupid... >> > > > > > Wow. I guess you got your feelings hurt...... Get a grip, >Aki. Calm down. Chill. relax. > > sheesh! > >Squeakers > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 18:48:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23774; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11516; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from meretrix.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12071; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08911 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:47:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802122347.SAA08911@meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Text book In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:03:54 GMT." <199802122310.SAA17756@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:47:03 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos I'm thinking it might be time to take this helmet discussion off the dc-cycles list, which is about motorcycling, and move it onto the dc-bitchslapping list. See you there! -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 18:55:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23874; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11591; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:54:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12214; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (squeakers@XXXXXX [207.172.110.247]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11515; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:00:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802130000.TAA11515@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX, "Mark E. Truelove" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:53:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980212183257.00c7cc24@StarTech> References: <199802122307.SAA16608@smtp1.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Personally, I think if we could find less judgmental words than "stupid" to > describe each other, it would be a great start. > Aww.. it didnt upset me. I took it for what it was. The words of someone pissed off. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 19:00:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA23982; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11659; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12326; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (squeakers@XXXXXX [207.172.110.247]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA13743; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:04:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802130004.TAA13743@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Harry Mantakos Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:58:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199802122347.SAA08911@meretrix.com> References: Your message of "Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:03:54 GMT." <199802122310.SAA17756@smtp1.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > I'm thinking it might be time to take this helmet discussion > off the dc-cycles list, which is about motorcycling, and move > it onto the dc-bitchslapping list. See you there! > -harry HEY!! who you callin a bitch!!!! Squeakers :) :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 22:34:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26746; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14424; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16430; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA01433 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:32:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E3E98A.382A@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:34:50 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Helmet Thread Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > HEY!! who you callin a bitch!!!! > > Squeakers > > :) :) Y'all, It took me about five full minutes to scroll down through that nonsensical thread (barely reading it). I cannot believe that so much energy was wasted on this. Sheeesh! I say let Sqeakers have the last word, 'nuff said already! JK N.B. I still need to know the name of the guy in the red & gray 'Stitch type suit in our group pic Thanks, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 22:55:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26950; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15161; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:54:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16773; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.128.81] (207-172-128-81.s18.as2.col.erols.com [207.172.128.81]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05556 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:03:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:03:39 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: r.chapin@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34E3E98A.382A@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ryan Chapin Subject: Re: Helmet Thread >> HEY!! who you callin a bitch!!!! >> >> Squeakers >> >> :) :) > >Y'all, > >It took me about five full minutes to scroll down through that >nonsensical thread (barely reading it). I cannot believe that so much >energy was wasted on this. Sheeesh! > >I say let Sqeakers have the last word, 'nuff said already! > >JK > >N.B. I still need to know the name of the guy in the red & gray 'Stitch >type suit in our group pic > > >Thanks, > >JK I'm gonna have to agree, enough is enough already *rolls eyes mercilessly*. Anyway the guy in the gray/red Aerostich is Thane Stielow, and I'll have to add that Al don't look to happy in that bottom pick (yes I know you'll kill me when I see ya next big fella :) Ryan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 12 23:29:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27309; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15374; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17281; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from earthlink.net (ip254.herndon21.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.111.254]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01608 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:28:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34E3CC55.2E5CED71@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:30:13 -0500 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Text book Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry wrote: I'm thinking it might be time to take this helmet discussion off the dc-cycles list, which is about motorcycling, and move it onto the dc-bitchslapping list. See you there! -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dear God, thank you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 00:13:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28294; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16983; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18102; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA03509; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:14:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:14:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Whiteside, John" Subject: RE: Text book In-Reply-To: <199802122142.QAA02935@smtp1.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Squeakers wrote: > > Anybody else notice the irony of Squeakers complaining that no one is > > respecting her right to have her own opinion, while trashing the > > motivations and sensibility of anyone who disagrees with her? > > > > --John Whiteside > > > > > > > > Whiteside.. go home. You're obviously getting tired, > because you're becoming emotional. Tough day at the office, > sweetie? > > Squeakers And proof yet again that Squeakers is incapable of forming an intelligent argument to support her opinions. Her responses invariably consist of ad hominem attacks, taunts, and other childish rot. I find I stop reading when she starts posting because I find her closed mind and screechy retorts so irritating. I fully agree that we should have the choice of whether or not to wear a helmet, but her arguments sound like they're coming from a pre-pubescent brat. Others have told me in e-mail that upon meeting her they've found her to be quite a reasonable person. But I could never surmise that from her postings, and subsequently have no interest in making her acquaintance. I prefer the "boring" regular traffic greatly over these regular "helmet wars". I'm quite certain that no-one's mind has been changed by any of them. Brian. bee@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 00:27:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28388; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17383; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18241; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.37.3.160] (1Cust248.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.248]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05597 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:25:55 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:25:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: anyone heard of SIGNAL TO NOISE??? This is completely stupid. I don't care if you (and you know who you are) splatter your semi-functional self-preservation-impaired brains all over the pavement or the tree or the car or the sidewalk or the deer or the bus/taxi/semi or.... It seems to have made Gary Busey a better actor, and Billy Idol a better singer. But I digress. Today, I got home from a client, checked my email for business stuff, and found 145 messages in my inbox. I don't need to wade through all of this repetitive, inane penny-ante shit. I certainly don't mind general tom-foolery and good natured sillyness, and in fact, encourage it on a regular basis. However, when the helmet topic comes up on this list, it becomes a serious waste of my time, and more annoying and painful than playing with the home dentistry kit. >Anybody else notice the irony of Squeakers complaining that no one is >respecting her right to have her own opinion, while trashing the >motivations and sensibility of anyone who disagrees with her? So *that's* why she irritates me so badly... That, and the fact that she likes to manipulate people and dominate the conversation. And the rest of you, don't you feel suckered, rising to the bait, time and time again? Someone makes some innocuous statement about helmets, and Squeakers (mostly responsible, but there are others) fans the glowing ember of dissent into a full-fledged flame war. Squeakers: congratulations... you've just earned my first-ever personal bozo filter. Don't you think that 33 messages in one day is a bit of overkill? Worse yet, all on the same topic that has been whipped to death many moons ago? Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 00:59:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28647; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17785; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18687; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.38] (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:02:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: AWWWRIGHT! Monday ride Anyone? Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 00:56:22 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thanks Dale. Not only have you invited me on a ride where there is NO way I can attend (lousy employer. If I wasn't related, I'd quit:) but you have also ruined a string of about 50 deleted messages from the DC-Cycles list. Totally wasted day on the list till now. Oh. Not totally wasted. Added a twit filter I meant to add a while back. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 08:21:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02631; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20405; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23686; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A7CC34601F4; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:17:00 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980213081858.009dc670@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:18:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: anyone heard of SIGNAL TO NOISE??? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Today, I got home from a client, checked my email for business stuff, and >found 145 messages in my inbox. I don't need to wade through all of this >repetitive, inane penny-ante shit. If you can find a word that's in the header(s) or body of all those messages, set your filters to automatically delete messages with that word in them. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 08:22:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02649; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20422; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23708; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:20:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-50.s50.as1.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.50]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA11836; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:29:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802131329.IAA11836@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "Brian E. Ewell" Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:19:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: <199802122142.QAA02935@smtp1.erols.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > And proof yet again that Squeakers is incapable of forming an > intelligent argument to support her opinions. Her responses > invariably consist of ad hominem attacks, taunts, and other childish > rot. I find I stop reading when she starts posting because I find > her closed mind and screechy retorts so irritating. Thats exactly what you said LAST time, Ewell. So stop reading them already! I guess its difficult for small minded males to see a woman speaking her mind. Get used to it. > I fully agree > that we should have the choice of whether or not to wear a helmet, > but her arguments sound like they're coming from a pre-pubescent > brat. Others have told me in e-mail that upon meeting her they've > found her to be quite a reasonable person. But I could never surmise > that from her postings, and subsequently have no interest in making > her acquaintance. Umm.. I dont recall EVER saying that I had any interest in meeting YOU, so I guess we can both relax about that, huh? Lets face it.. you ARENT the kind I ride with. You ARENT the kind I associate with. Im NOT interested in people like you, so quit dreaming. > > I prefer the "boring" regular traffic greatly over these regular > "helmet wars". I'm quite certain that no-one's mind has been changed > by any of them. Boring and simple is more your speed little boy? I wouldnt expect any more than that from you. You say *Im* predictable? So are you. Like I said... this post is almost an exact copy of your few past posts. Why not just save it, and retrieve it next time? It'll save you some typing. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 08:39:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02896; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20582; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23965; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:36:22 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 852565AA.004A8E86 ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:34:21 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565AA.004A6A16.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:37:31 -0500 Subject: RE: Text book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=WW394f0q12gIdGw7laPwKqPqWBz4cJrlitj3i1pHulsLmpUQgTq8vCF8" --0__=WW394f0q12gIdGw7laPwKqPqWBz4cJrlitj3i1pHulsLmpUQgTq8vCF8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not sure why everyone is fighting her on this...she's right, it should be her right to make her own decisions. Someone said that they are against helmet laws (because of the whole government-control thing), but think that helmets are essential. Now I know what Mr. Whitesides means when he says helmet laws block evolution...survival of the fittest...people who don't think they should wear helmets don't wear helmets, said people crash spilling their grey matter all over the fresh black asphalt, said people are no longer in the gene pool. Hence, evolution. Works for me...I'll be the one with the helmet on... -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved squeakers@XXXXXX at AMS-Internet to file: 02/12/98 08:07 PM PIC04275.PCX) To: mrider@XXXXXX at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL, aki.damme@XXXXXX at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL, CAClements@XXXXXX at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: Text book > I wrecked my bike in June of 96. I know better than to think helmet > don't save you ass, or head. I cracked my helmet when I wrecked, could > have been my head. > Curtis > and because it worked that way for YOU.. that means it works that way for EVERYONE..... 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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:40:15 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or one can just hit "Delete." >---------- >From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, February 13, 1998 1:18 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: anyone heard of SIGNAL TO NOISE??? > >>Today, I got home from a client, checked my email for business stuff, and >>found 145 messages in my inbox. I don't need to wade through all of this >>repetitive, inane penny-ante shit. > >If you can find a word that's in the header(s) or body of all those >messages, set your filters to automatically delete messages with that word >in them. > >Chris Norloff > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 08:48:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03046; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20892; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24159; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-50.s50.as1.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.50]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21170; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:55:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802131355.IAA21170@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Alan Lapp Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:44:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: anyone heard of SIGNAL TO NOISE??? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > This is completely stupid. I don't care if you (and you know who you are) > splatter your semi-functional self-preservation-impaired brains all over > the pavement or the tree or the car or the sidewalk or the deer or the > bus/taxi/semi or.... It seems to have made Gary Busey a better actor, and > Billy Idol a better singer. But I digress. This is kinda funny. You people say that *Im* screeching because some of *you* dont agree with me.. yet what do you call all of THESE comments and all the others made by your fellow paranoid weenie bobbin helmeted riders? When *I* say things.. Im screeching. When YOU say it.. its what... normal conversation? You're so hypocritical! Its amusing. :) > > Today, I got home from a client, checked my email for business stuff, and > found 145 messages in my inbox. I don't need to wade through all of this > repetitive, inane penny-ante shit. Delete it? YOU dont want it.. so WE cant DO it? Gee.. sounds a lot like the helmet thing, huh? Not surprisingly.... > > I certainly don't mind general tom-foolery and good natured sillyness, and > in fact, encourage it on a regular basis. Wow. How incredibly tolerant and noble of you. Thank you! What ELSE do you encourage on a regualr basis? > So *that's* why she irritates me so badly... That, and the fact that she > likes to manipulate people and dominate the conversation. and I do it well, dont I? :) :) > > And the rest of you, don't you feel suckered, rising to the bait, time and > time again? and again and again and again. ALWAYS the SAME ones, too! > > Squeakers: congratulations... you've just earned my first-ever personal > bozo filter. Thank you!! :) :) > Don't you think that 33 messages in one day is a bit of > overkill? Worse yet, all on the same topic that has been whipped to death > many moons ago? But I was BORED!!! I was stuck inside doing HOUSEWORK!!! I NEEDED a DIVERSION!!! Ah, well. Im bored of this one now. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 08:53:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03112; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21058; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24301; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cagw2.att.com; Fri Feb 13 08:46 EST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com (dcn72.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.2]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA03381 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD385C.B47ADF20@XXXXXX>; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:52:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Bandit for sale Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:52:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a 1996 Bandit 600 for sale. If I do not get a response I am considering using it as a trade-in. (So I am ready to deal) It has 5800 miles on it. It will be one year old (in use) in March. It has a tank bra, case guards and the factory service manual. If you are interested, contact me through my personal e-mail address as I am in digest mode for DC cycles. Remember, I am ready to DEAL!!! John Carver Green Bandit 600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 08:59:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03170; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21167; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24403; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:56:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA09799 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD385D.5097EDD0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:56:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Text book Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:56:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The issue really wasn't about helmet laws per se. It ignited over a comment that was made stating that NOT wearing a helmet is safer than wearing one, because of spinal injuries. That got lost in transition somewhere along the way. Squeakers, you kept steering the discussion toward personal choice and legislation, issues which people really weren't disagreeing with you over. The disagreement centered around the original comment Glen posted (speaking of which I haven't seen you enjoying the fire since you threw the first log on :-) ), that was an argument to repeal helmet laws, because helmets cause injuries. Come to think of it, through all the postings, it seemed like everyone (that posted atleast) agreed that helmet laws should be repealed, but disagreed with the issue of safety in not wearing one. (I don't mean to speak for others ...but that was how I remember it). Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: > Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX[SMTP:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, February 13, 1998 8:37 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Text book > ><><> >I'm not sure why everyone is fighting her on this...she's right, it should >be her right to make her own decisions. Someone said that they are against >helmet laws (because of the whole government-control thing), but think that >helmets are essential. > >Now I know what Mr. Whitesides means when he says helmet laws block >evolution...survival of the fittest...people who don't think they should >wear helmets don't wear helmets, said people crash spilling their grey >matter all over the fresh black asphalt, said people are no longer in the >gene pool. Hence, evolution. > >Works for me...I'll be the one with the helmet on... > >-Doug >douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > > > > > > (Embedded > image moved squeakers@XXXXXX at AMS-Internet > to file: 02/12/98 08:07 PM > PIC04275.PCX) > > > > >To: mrider@XXXXXX at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL, aki.damme@XXXXXX > at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL, CAClements@XXXXXX at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL >cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL (bcc: Douglas > Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) >Subject: RE: Text book > > > >> I wrecked my bike in June of 96. I know better than to think helmet >> don't save you ass, or head. I cracked my helmet when I wrecked, could >> have been my head. >> Curtis >> > >and because it worked that way for YOU.. that means it >works that way for EVERYONE..... > >Squeakers >(See attached file: RFC822.TXT) > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 09:44:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03685; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22082; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:41:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25474; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-50.s50.as1.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.50]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13298; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:50:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802131450.JAA13298@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: , "'dc-cycles'" , "Meier, Christopher" Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:40:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Text book Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > The issue really wasn't about helmet laws per se. It ignited over a > comment that was made stating that NOT wearing a helmet is safer than > wearing one, because of spinal injuries. That got lost in transition > somewhere along the way. Actually, it started over thinking that the opposition to helmet laws was good for a laugh. > (speaking of which I haven't seen you enjoying the fire since you threw > the first log on :-) ), Yes, I HAVE! :) I kinda have fun tweakin sometimes. Did you SEE the temper tantrums a few of them had? I thought Aki was gonna bust a blood vessel with that last post. :) He was just ranting and raving.. :) :) Poor Whiteside cant stop emailing me one liners... Poor boys are beside themselves! Its funny to watch them. Men can be manipulated sooo easily. BUT... I cant DO it today. I have things I have to do..... Sorry guys. I cant play today. Motherhood and wifely duties call me. I WILL check back in later this afternoon, though! Ill be happy to play again then! :) > > Come to think of it, through all the postings, it seemed like everyone > (that posted atleast) agreed that helmet laws should be repealed, but > disagreed with the issue of safety in not wearing one. (I don't mean to > speak for others ...but that was how I remember it). I have to admit that I was surprised by Dale. I already thought that everyone else agreed that it should be a personal decision, although they also think it stupid to NOT wear one. I was genuinely surprised to see Dale say that he DOESNT agree with personal choice.. that because he thinks that a helmetless rider is a danger to HIM.. it SHOULD be regulated. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 10:05:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04075; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:05:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22419; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26103; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:02:39 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id RDPOa04421 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:02:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:02:29 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Helmet Laws Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/13/98 9:50:33 AM, squeakers@XXXXXX wrote: <<> Come to think of it, through all the postings, it seemed like everyone > (that posted atleast) agreed that helmet laws should be repealed, but > disagreed with the issue of safety in not wearing one. (I don't mean to > speak for others ...but that was how I remember it).>> It seems to me that helmet laws are there because of insurance reasons .... the insurance compnaies pay less money for someone who's skull does NOT get caved in.......no one making these laws really cares if we smash ourselves up or not, they're mostly concerned with who has to pay for the clean-up (cynicism running rampant) however, personally I think it is foolish not to wear one.......anyone been to Cycles USA lately and seen their helmet display area? Seen the helmet with all the paint scraped off and much of the shell too? Seen where the guys there wrote on it in marker "This is why you need a helmet"? Marcy Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 10:05:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04080; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22423; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26122; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id KAA10181; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma010179; Fri, 13 Feb 98 10:02:51 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <1N2CCHYD>; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:02:28 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639A4AC82@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Text book Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:02:26 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Squeaks writes: > Actually, it started over thinking that the opposition to >helmet laws was good for a laugh. Er, no. Go back and read the messages. -- John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 11:25:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05446; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23745; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28564; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA06199 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:21:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA09428 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980213162123.RJMH452@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:21:23 -0600 Message-ID: <34E47303.E094A187@mci.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:21:23 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Text book References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Meier, Christopher wrote: > > Come to think of it, through all the postings, it seemed like everyone > (that posted atleast) agreed that helmet laws should be repealed, but > disagreed with the issue of safety in not wearing one. (I don't mean to > speak for others ...but that was how I remember it). > Just for the record, I support the Helmet Law. It's a law that, luckily for us, does more good than harm. Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 22:22:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18205; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04280; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19448; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA12353 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:20:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E5384F.158@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:23:11 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: SIGNAL TO NOISE??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Al Lapp wrote: > I don't need to wade through all of this repetitive, inane penny-ante shit. Hey that reminds me, Anyone on this list into the idea of a (smoke) friendly poker game (25 cent ante - 3 bumps/dollar max?) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 13 23:59:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19047; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04568; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20576; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.132]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA26115 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 04:56:41 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: CBR? VFR? Super Hawk!! Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:52:53 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3904$6910c100$844e440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey, y'all-- Just got back from shopping with my friend Dave. You may recall I was telling him I didn't think the CBR1000 was what he wanted. We went to Heyser and looked at it, and tried to get a decent price on a 94 VFR they had on consignment, but the owner wouldn't talk. He saw the VTR and said, "hey, what's that?" So I told him, and he said "Cool, maybe I'll get one of those!" Heyser had it on sale from $9299 marked down to $8799. What a deal. $8799 is MSRP!!! I used their phone to call a real dealer, Freestate. Kent told me he'd sell a 98 VTR or a 97 VFR for $7999. So we popped over to Bladensburg and bought the VTR. He'll pick it up tomorrow. I can't wait to ride it! Don't tell Heyser. Dave's gotta get his deposit back on the CBR. It's a nice one, BTW, 96 with 500 miles. They said the guy scared himself too bad on it. But he didn't fall off; it's spotless. Around $7000, I think. Kent's Allstate guy quoted ~$1100/yr full coverage on the VTR. Dave's nationwide guy had quoted ~$1500 on a 96 CBR1000. Needless to say, Dave went with Allstate. He's about 28 and has 1 ticket, mc licensed 12 years. No MSF, afaik. Redskins middle linebacker Marcus Proffit (? I'm not a big sports fan) dropped by Freestate to buy a CBR1100XX, but they sold it this morning. They had another in the warehouse, but he's not sure what he wants. Seems like a real nice guy, very mellow and quiet. He said he'd subscribe to way cool DC-Cycles ASAP!! Um, april fools..... And I sat on 98 VFRs at both places. I think it's more attractive in person than the pictures, and sitting on it feels just like the 94-97. I dunno if I wouldn't buy a VTR instead, tho, and save $1400. I'll have an opinion after I ride Dave's VTR. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 02:33:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20987; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 02:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA06233; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 02:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from gemini.smart.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22308; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 02:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from gimer.smart.net (a2p2dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.34]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA10254 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 02:30:55 -0500 Message-ID: <34E54666.5F84@smart.net> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 02:23:19 -0500 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 93-95 CBR900 Manual Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was looking through a pile of motorcycle-related stuff today: discovered another useless (to me) manual....Honda Factory manual: 93-95 CBR900RR. If any DC Cycles listener out there needs this manual, email me and I'll mail it out pronto. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 09:05:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23418; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09416; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25347; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from michael-a.-cruz (207-172-53-75.s75.tnt4.brd.erols.com [207.172.53.75]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02196 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:03:03 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Michael Cruz" From: "Michael Cruz" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Baltimore Bike Show? Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:14:08 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3952$d0c1b860$037c7c7c@michael-a.-cruz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey All! I saw a thread about a group ride to Baltimore for the bike show. If this group ride materializes, I would like to go with.. but I have not heard of a meeting place to kick off the ride. Michael Cruz (in Alexandria..) cruzman@XXXXXX www.erols.com/cruzman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 12:23:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24778; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11482; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27296; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:20:58 -0500 (EST) From: Vamoto@XXXXXX Received: from Vamoto@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id 1HIHa26115 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:20:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <72a7afa3.34e5d278@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:20:53 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Advanced MSF Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Could someone please resend me the dates for the advanced MSF at Loudon. Also, any tel#s for general MSF info in Virginia too (I am looking for one in Charlottesville). Thanks. My new VFR makes me realize I have a lot to learn still. Too close calls already.....just testing those tires (-: Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 12:32:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24836; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11594; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27366; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA29624 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:30:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E5FFA2.3E8D@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:33:38 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: New Pic Up! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings DC-Cycle Guys & Gals, Thanks to Sean Sullivan, I posted the pic of y'all that did the "Ride to the Tundra" last week. The pic may be found here: http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dc-cycl3.htm I provided links to the other pics in our budding DC-Cycle pic archive too. Enjoy, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 12:52:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24945; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11678; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27556; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA00307 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:49:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E60416.3056@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:52:38 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Bike FS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DC Gang, I found this on dcmisc.forsale and thought it might be of interest to some bikeless types... I know nothing about this perspn/bike.... JK > For Sale: 1986 Suzuki GS-450L motorcycle. Red paint scheme (although > faded), almost no rust/corrosion. Runs great, excellent (55+ mpg) gas > mileage. Includes owner's manual, Clymer repair manual, and National > Cycle Plexistar 2 windshield. Currently garaged in the Severn, MD area. > It has great handling characteristics, so this is a wonderful first/ > second 'bike for someone who is not an extremely experienced rider, > although it is not a "new rider only" cycle. > > $950 obo. > > Please contact me via email if you are interested and want to take a > look... > > Stuart L Labovitz (stu@XXXXXX) DoD #1865 > Everything should be made as simple as possible, '86 Suzuki GS450L > but not simpler. ---- Albert Einstein (insert standard disclaimer here) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 17:18:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28175; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14247; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01112; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA07367 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:16:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E64285.702@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:19:01 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Frozen Tundra Pic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gang, Thanks to Collin Fagan for compressing the pic a bit. It's more manageable for sure. It's now 69 KB and not 190 whatever. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 17:42:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28440; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15864; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01419; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA27672; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:40:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA05024; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.211]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980214224026.DGJM4595@[166.41.110.211]>; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:40:26 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:24 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: SIGNAL TO NOISE??? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980214224026.DGJM4595@[166.41.110.211]> I'm in. Won't host for smoking though. Todd Message-ID: <34E5384F.158@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:23:11 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: SIGNAL TO NOISE??? Al Lapp wrote: > I don't need to wade through all of this repetitive, inane penny-ante shit. Hey that reminds me, Anyone on this list into the idea of a (smoke) friendly poker game (25 cent ante - 3 bumps/dollar max?) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 19:03:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29373; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20584; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02478; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12151 invoked by alias); 15 Feb 1998 00:01:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 12142 invoked from network); 15 Feb 1998 00:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jywon) (12.3.130.166) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 1998 00:00:58 -0000 Message-ID: <000201bd39a4$c927f220$a682030c@jywon> Reply-To: "Justin Won" From: "Justin Won" To: "DC Cycles List" Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:08:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Here, here Marcy. I don't generally believe that gov't should be in the business of protecting idiots from their own stupidity. But in this particular case, it's the rest of us smart and responsibile riders that end up having to clean up the mess and foot the bill. If people are brainless enough to not wear a helmet (I guess they don't have much to protect) then I say let them split their heads open on the pavement like a ripe melon. I just don't want to be made to pay for the social externalities (read massive insurance rate increases) caused by their perceived invincibility. Maybe insurance companies should include a clause in their policies that excludes medical coverage for injuries sustained by a lid-less cranium. My .02. Justin -----Original Message----- From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 11:19 AM Subject: Helmet Laws > >In a message dated 2/13/98 9:50:33 AM, squeakers@XXXXXX wrote: > ><<> Come to think of it, through all the postings, it seemed like everyone >> (that posted atleast) agreed that helmet laws should be repealed, but >> disagreed with the issue of safety in not wearing one. (I don't mean to >> speak for others ...but that was how I remember it).>> > >It seems to me that helmet laws are there because of insurance reasons .... >the insurance compnaies pay less money for someone who's skull does NOT get >caved in.......no one making these laws really cares if we smash ourselves up >or not, they're mostly concerned with who has to pay for the clean-up > >(cynicism running rampant) > >however, personally I think it is foolish not to wear one.......anyone been to >Cycles USA lately and seen their helmet display area? Seen the helmet with all >the paint scraped off and much of the shell too? Seen where the guys there >wrote on it in marker "This is why you need a helmet"? > >Marcy > >Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 19:03:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29374; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20580; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:00:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02474; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12131 invoked by alias); 15 Feb 1998 00:00:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 12123 invoked from network); 15 Feb 1998 00:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jywon) (12.3.130.166) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 1998 00:00:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000101bd39a4$c48963c0$a682030c@jywon> Reply-To: "Justin Won" From: "Justin Won" To: "DC Cycles List" Subject: Re: anyone heard of SIGNAL TO NOISE??? Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:03:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Or you can have your DC Cycles mail go to a separate folder. One of the hazards of being on a list is getting alot of noise. When people complain about it, the general response seems to be, "Deal with it." -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 7:33 AM Subject: Re: anyone heard of SIGNAL TO NOISE??? >>Today, I got home from a client, checked my email for business stuff, and >>found 145 messages in my inbox. I don't need to wade through all of this >>repetitive, inane penny-ante shit. > >If you can find a word that's in the header(s) or body of all those >messages, set your filters to automatically delete messages with that word >in them. > >Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 19:03:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29378; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20588; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02482; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12168 invoked by alias); 15 Feb 1998 00:01:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 12153 invoked from network); 15 Feb 1998 00:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jywon) (12.3.130.166) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 1998 00:01:01 -0000 Message-ID: <000301bd39a4$cadad240$a682030c@jywon> Reply-To: "Justin Won" From: "Justin Won" To: "DC Cycles List" Subject: Re: text book Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:11:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Squeakers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 16:08 PM Subject: RE: text book >>The world according to Aki. heh He's right... anyone who >>disagrees with him is wrong. His way or the wrong way. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey Squeakers, I thought that was YOUR motto. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 20:13:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29988; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21388; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03076; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-139.s139.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.139]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06047; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:21:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E6488D.8BEF8E15@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:44:45 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Justin Won CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: insurance covering the helmetless References: <000201bd39a4$c927f220$a682030c@jywon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually have lived in a couple of places where the insurance companies would write policies based on safety equipment.... i.e. big discount for wearing a lid (in a state that it's not required) and that's all i have to say about that CT Justin Won wrote: . Maybe insurance companies should include a clause in their policies that excludes > medical coverage for injuries sustained by a lid-less cranium. > > My .02. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 11:19 AM > Subject: Helmet Laws > > > > >In a message dated 2/13/98 9:50:33 AM, squeakers@XXXXXX wrote: > > > ><<> Come to think of it, through all the postings, it seemed like everyone > >> (that posted atleast) agreed that helmet laws should be repealed, but > >> disagreed with the issue of safety in not wearing one. (I don't mean to > >> speak for others ...but that was how I remember it).>> > > > >It seems to me that helmet laws are there because of insurance reasons .... > >the insurance compnaies pay less money for someone who's skull does NOT get > >caved in.......no one making these laws really cares if we smash ourselves > up > >or not, they're mostly concerned with who has to pay for the clean-up > > > >(cynicism running rampant) > > > >however, personally I think it is foolish not to wear one.......anyone been > to > >Cycles USA lately and seen their helmet display area? Seen the helmet with > all > >the paint scraped off and much of the shell too? Seen where the guys there > >wrote on it in marker "This is why you need a helmet"? > > > >Marcy > > > >Marcy -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 20:32:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00116; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21459; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:30:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03266; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-245.s54.as4.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.245]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04148; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:36:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802150136.UAA04148@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "DC Cycles List" , "Justin Won" Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:29:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000201bd39a4$c927f220$a682030c@jywon> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Here, here Marcy. I don't generally believe that gov't should be in the > business of protecting idiots from their own stupidity. > My .02. > Justin > Dont any of you people have health insurance? If I fall and bash my brains out and its a cagers fault, then HIS insurance will cover it. Your premiums may go up because that fool couldnt drive, NOT because I didnt have on a helmet. (duh!!) If I bash my brains out because of something that was *my* fault, then Im very well covered by MY PPO insurance policy, accident insurance policy... and hell... If it comes down to it... my life insurance policy. Of course.. going by your argument... everyone should be required to have on full body armour and SOMETHING to protect against broken necks and snapped spines... because obviously THOSE are ALSO a major concern for anyone riding bikes, right? You people should consider investing in health insurance, rather than counting on your motorcycle policy to cover all your possible medical expenses. I love the way you people keep referring to those of us that prefer to NOT always wear helmets as "stupid" and "fools" (based on your beliefs).. yet when *I* say something is stupid, then *Im* being intolerant. Your opinions entitle you to call US things.. MINE dont. Hypocrisy reigns in rocketeer weeniedom! :) Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 21:06:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00412; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21647; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03612; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11525; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from leon-at-home (cust005.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.5]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA18241; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:05:16 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980214210850.00687c98@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:08:50 +0000 To: "Justin Won" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Helmet Laws At 03:08 14-02-98 -0500, Justin wrote: > Maybe >insurance companies should include a clause in their policies that excludes >medical coverage for injuries sustained by a lid-less cranium. The Teamsters tried that last year. The problem with it is that riding a motorcycle without a helmet is a legal (although risky) recreational activity. There are lots of risky things that could be used to deny medical coverage. As motorcyclists, we need to stick together and insist that motorcycling in all its forms is a legitimate recreational activity. Otherwise we'll find ourselves in a position similar to smokers. (Pipe and cigar smokers face much less risk than cigarette smokers but are just as unwelcome and face many of the same insurance denials.) Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 22:50:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01284; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 22:50:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22516; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 22:47:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04446; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 22:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12799 invoked by alias); 15 Feb 1998 03:47:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 12790 invoked from network); 15 Feb 1998 03:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jywon) (12.3.130.166) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 1998 03:47:43 -0000 Message-ID: <001801bd39c4$77aad6e0$a682030c@jywon> Reply-To: "Justin Won" From: "Justin Won" To: "DC Cycles List" Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 22:47:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 You can call me stupid for wanting to protect my noggin, but who in their right mind would agree with you? I suppose professional racers are stupid for wearing all that protective equipment, too. How can anybody who knowingly & willingly subjects their bodies to be unprotected projectiles be considered anything but less than bright? Justin -----Original Message----- From: Squeakers To: DC Cycles List ; Justin Won Date: Saturday, February 14, 1998 19:43 PM Subject: Re: Helmet Laws >> I love the way you people keep referring to those of us that prefer to NOT always wear helmets as "stupid" and "fools" (based on your beliefs).. yet when *I* say something is stupid, then *Im* being intolerant. Your opinions entitle you to call US things.. MINE dont. Hypocrisy reigns in rocketeer weeniedom! :) Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 23:11:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01564; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23238; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04785; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (squeakers@XXXXXX [207.172.110.245]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA00739; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:16:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802150416.XAA00739@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "DC Cycles List" , "Justin Won" Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:09:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001801bd39c4$77aad6e0$a682030c@jywon> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > You can call me stupid for wanting to protect my noggin, but who in their > right mind would agree with you? I suppose professional racers are stupid > for wearing all that protective equipment, too. Professional racers?!?!? What have THEY got to do with this? > > How can anybody who knowingly & willingly subjects their bodies to be > unprotected projectiles be considered anything but less than bright? > > Justin > There are a lot of people that agree with me. Thats why the helmet laws are being repealed in some states, and narrowly missing being repealed in others, with the certainty that next year we'll either make it, or get closer. As I said earlier... your opinions are yours and mine are mine. To automatically assume that everyone that disagrees with YOUR opinion is "less than bright" is simplistic and egotistical. We all put different weight on different parts of an issue. It is MY personal belief that people that insist on wearing full protective gear and a full faced helmet each and every time they get on a bike no matter WHAT the situation or weather are weenies and paranoid. Afraid of life. I dont, however.. think that they're STUPID. Just over zealous, and not "my" kinda people. They're usually ALSO the "rocketeer" types, which adds to my beliefs. I dont consider them "less than bright". Just DIFFERENT. I ALSO dont appreciate their trying to force THEIR paranoia down MY throat. YOUR views are YOURS. Keep them. Just dont expect ME to agree with them. Squeakers Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 14 23:30:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01753; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23731; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04883; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA21178 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:02:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:02:27 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Balt. MC show Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just returned form my 4 hours at the show - working the MARRC booth. Lots of Harleys (they get to be like polished GSXR11's - a dime a dozen) all painted up and tricked out - I might be impressed if I saw one of those bikes on a regular basis on the road.. being ridden. possibly the only worthy note about the show was the absolutly MINT Vincent Black Shadow.. that thing is supurb. If you're not familiar with the bike, use your web access and go do some research - this was the first bike to use the engine as a stressed member AND a mono-shock! Not to mention it'd do 130 box stock - this was in, what - 56 I believe (I'm bad with dates.. good thing I'm not a historian :). Very nice... I passed out enough fliers for MARRC - I hope we have a good turn-out for new racers and corner-workers alike. For any of you who (somehow) missed all my talking about cornerworking and/or MARRC - It's one of the best orginizations I've run across for motorcycle enthusiasts. I'd love to see anyone from the DC Cycles list at the Cornerworkers training on March 14. If you're interested - ASK ME! I'll give you all the information you could ask for. I'll inform the list more about the race weekends when they approach - the first being April 11-12th. $20 to get in (unless you cornerwork - that's free), free camping and a general great time. Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - Next? (street) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) 83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 15 01:10:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02932; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26331; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05763; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:07:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.34] (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:07:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Text book Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 01:07:30 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Now I know what Mr. Whitesides means when he says helmet laws block >evolution...survival of the fittest...people who don't think they should >wear helmets don't wear helmets, said people crash spilling their grey >matter all over the fresh black asphalt, said people are no longer in the >gene pool. Hence, evolution. Sadly, by the time this happens, those from the shallow end of the gene pool have already bred. The only saving grace is one of my neighbors. Kid has a dirtbike. Never wears a lid. Hope he doesn't breed (don't want him dead, just don't want him to breed). And breed the shallow-enders do. They seem to be the type who also don't believe in teaching about birth control in schools, but I digress... I know. Let's let 10 year olds ride motorcycles on the street AND give them the helmet choice. Time to kick Darwin into high gear! :) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 15 01:10:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02934; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26343; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:07:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05775; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:07:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.34] (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:07:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: anyone heard of SIGNAL TO NOISE??? Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 01:07:40 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >If you can find a word that's in the header(s) or body of all those >messages, set your filters to automatically delete messages with that word >in them. Better yet, I look in the to/from lines. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 15 01:10:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02942; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26335; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05767; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:07:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.34] (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:07:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 01:07:34 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >however, personally I think it is foolish not to wear one.......anyone >been to >Cycles USA lately and seen their helmet display area? Seen the helmet with >all >the paint scraped off and much of the shell too? Seen where the guys there >wrote on it in marker "This is why you need a helmet"? Haven't seen it, but it sounds cool. Where is this place? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 15 01:10:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02944; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26339; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05771; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.34] (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:07:44 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bandit for sale Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 01:07:38 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I have a 1996 Bandit 600 for sale. If I do not get a response I am >considering using it as a >trade-in. Cool deal. What are you looking at getting? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 15 01:44:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA03161; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26711; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:42:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06048; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.34] (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:42:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 01:42:33 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Justin Won" , "DC Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Maybe >insurance companies should include a clause in their policies that excludes >medical coverage for injuries sustained by a lid-less cranium. Doesn't make a damned bit of difference. Either the government pays directly (their insurance) or indirectly (footing the bill at public hospitals) or you and I pay via higher costs at the hospitals (to recoup the money from deadbeats sans insurance) or our insurance premiums increase because the hospitals need extra from us in order to cover the same deadbeats. The only way to avoid paying for them is to let them die in the street. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 15 01:44:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA03167; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26707; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06044; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.34] (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:42:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Balt. MC show Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 01:42:30 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Brian McCoy" , "DC-Cycles list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >possibly the >only worthy note about the show was the absolutly MINT Vincent Black >Shadow.. that thing is supurb. If you're not familiar with the bike, use >your web access and go do some research - this was the first bike to use >the engine as a stressed member AND a mono-shock! Not to mention it'd do >130 box stock - this was in, what - 56 I believe (I'm bad with dates.. >good thing I'm not a historian :). Very nice... Now if it was a black lightning, I'd be there. 150 stock (according to Rollie Free and the SCTA, I believe). Was the fastest bike for two decades, I believe. (Apologies if I've gotten the shadow and lightning backwards. I do that. But they are beautiful bikes. 'A more elegant weapon from a simpler time') And I'm interested in being a corner-worker. I used to have the URL for MARRC, but have lost it long ago. (probably on the SGI account I had last spring in school) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 15 14:09:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08336; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05624; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from u1.farm.idt.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11683; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ios.com (ppp-31.ts-2.dc.idt.net [169.132.21.31]) by u1.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09788; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:06:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802151906.OAA09788@u1.farm.idt.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:09:33 -0500 From: ALLAN CLARK Organization: Vision Management X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vfr@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS '91 VFR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reluctantly selling '91 VFR 750 Gorgeous red 6900 miles, immaculate Yoshimura slip-on plus orig pipe Asking $5300 includes seat cowl (hardly used) tank bag, cover, disk lock, shop manual Please e-mail me direct: ajclark@XXXXXX Allan Clark Baltimore/Washington area From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 15 14:55:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08822; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06113; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from u1.farm.idt.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12161; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from soho.ios.com (ppp-31.ts-2.dc.idt.net [169.132.21.31]) by u1.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21920; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:53:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802151953.OAA21920@u1.farm.idt.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:56:38 -0500 From: ALLAN CLARK X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS '91 Honda VFR 750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reluctantly selling '91 VFR 750 Gorgeous red 6900 miles, immaculate...always garaged Yoshimura slip-on plus orig pipe Asking $5300 includes seat cowl (hardly used) tank bag, cover, disk lock, shop manual Please e-mail me direct: ajclark@XXXXXX Allan Clark Baltimore/Washington area From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 15 23:50:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15900; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11094; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20237; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.129.118] (207-172-129-118.s55.as6.col.erols.com [207.172.129.118]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25403 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:47:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:47:31 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: r.chapin@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34E5384F.158@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ryan Chapin Subject: Re: SIGNAL TO NOISE??? >Al Lapp wrote: > >> I don't need to wade through all of this repetitive, inane penny-ante shit. > Gotta agree here. And will also second the great idea of adding Squeakers to the "transfer immediately to the trash bin" filter. Ryan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 16 00:31:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16897; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14083; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21008; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA06985 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:11:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:11:42 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy Reply-To: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: MARRC Cornerworker Info - Training Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Who: Anyone interested in learing how to cornerwork When: Saturday, March 14, 4pm to 8;30pm Where: Four Corners Recreation Center, Silver Spring, Maryland Why:The mid-Atlantic Roadracing Club (MARRC) has been providing top-quality safety crews for our motorcycle races for more than ten years. The Race Emergency School is our annual work session designed to teach volunteers how to be part of the best cornerworking crew in the country. You will be trained on cornerworkers' roles and duties, flags and flagging, hand signals, personal safety, radio procedures, bike pick-up and inspection, oil cleanup and other issues important to a cornerworker. A light dinner will be provided, but itf you need more substantial fare, please feel free to bring your own. The benefits of working with the MARRC Safety Crew include complimentary: Admission to the race track Lunch daily and dinner on Saturday at the track Safety Crew tee shirt MARRC Membership New friends, great times, and more! For more information, feel free to contact any of the following: David Rickman - (703)435-1223 Rodger Bacon - (703)379-8918 - rababacon@XXXXXX Wendy Karppi - (410)451-8382 - halfpint@XXXXXX Myself (Brian McCoy) (301)445-4451 - (e-mails at the bottom) Directions: >From the Washington beltway, go north on either route 29 (colesville Rd) or route 193 (University Blvd). At the junction of 29 and 193, go north on 29 towards Columbia. The second left is Southwood Ave. Follow Southwood to the rec center. hope to see all of you there!!! Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - Next? (street) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) 83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 16 00:44:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16987; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14660; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21176; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.24] (1Cust24.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.240.24]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07187 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:41:45 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:41:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: RE: Text book >>Now I know what Mr. Whitesides means when he says helmet laws block >>evolution...survival of the fittest...people who don't think they should >>wear helmets don't wear helmets, said people crash spilling their grey >>matter all over the fresh black asphalt, said people are no longer in the >>gene pool. Hence, evolution. > >Sadly, by the time this happens, those from the shallow end of the gene >pool have already bred. The only saving grace is one of my neighbors. Kid >has a dirtbike. Never wears a lid. Hope he doesn't breed (don't want him >dead, just don't want him to breed). > >And breed the shallow-enders do. They seem to be the type who also don't >believe in teaching about birth control in schools, but I digress... > >I know. Let's let 10 year olds ride motorcycles on the street AND give >them the helmet choice. Time to kick Darwin into high gear! Consider yourself the recipient of a standing ovation!! I was watching to brain-sucking tube a few weeks ago, and saw a show on real-live ERs. As in Emergency Rooms. One of the doctors on the show said they had a criteria for patients prognosis which they called the "Tattoo to Tooth Ratio". If the number of tattoos exceeds the number of teeth, the person is basically indesructible, and can do any manner of stupid and potentially fatal things and escape with a minimum of permanent damage. I was howling with laughter! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 16 09:00:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21592; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:00:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20725; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26274; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:58:05 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA05740 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:58:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199802161358.AA05740@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:58:27 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:58:27 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:58:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 8:56:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Helmet Laws To: squeakers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jywon@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199802150136.UAA04148@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_0_MIME_Boundary_21386.34e84601.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com" ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_21386.34e84601.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Author: squeakers(a)pop.erols.com at INTERNET/o=AF1/c=US/a=MCI/p=CITICORP Date: 2/14/98 8:36 PM > Here, here Marcy. I don't generally believe that gov't should be in the > business of protecting idiots from their own stupidity. > My .02. > Justin > Dont any of you people have health insurance? If I fall and bash my brains out and its a cagers fault, then HIS insurance will cover it. Your premiums may go up because that fool couldnt drive, NOT because I didnt have on a helmet. (duh!!) If I bash my brains out because of something that was *my* fault, then Im very well covered by MY PPO insurance policy, accident insurance policy... and hell... If it comes down to it... my life insurance policy. Of course.. going by your argument... everyone should be required to have on full body armour and SOMETHING to protect against broken necks and snapped spines... because obviously THOSE are ALSO a major concern for anyone riding bikes, right? You people should consider investing in health insurance, rather than counting on your motorcycle policy to cover all your possible medical expenses. ...I don't see why any responsible person, especially who has loved ones (e.g. kids, spouse) wouldn't *want* to wear a safe DOT approved helmet. It's dangerous enough riding a bike and alot of people would even question the sanity of any person who has kids to even RIDE a motorcycle,let alone ride one so irresponsibly. Although I think riding a motorcycle is inherently dangerous by its very nature, it certainly is something that can be enjoyed by everyone with atleast a minimum of safety to prevent serious injury...wearing a helment and good protective clothes (it doesn't have to be armor, but a leather jacket, boots and heavy jeans provides medium level protection), an MSF class and a well maintained motorcycle should be common sense, which I'm beginning to find out is something not everyone seems to possess. I love the way you people keep referring to those of us that prefer to NOT always wear helmets as "stupid" and "fools" (based on your beliefs).. yet when *I* say something is stupid, then *Im* being intolerant. Your opinions entitle you to call US things.. MINE dont. Hypocrisy reigns in rocketeer weeniedom! :) Squeakers ..again you have successfully twisted everything you have read and convienently filtered out the facts...reread your responses as well as the followup responses to your remarks. What you'll find, is that your comments *are* stupid, it has nothing to do with people wearing or not wearing helmets as stupid (*I* didn't call anyone who opts to not wear a helmet as stupid, I said anyone who thinks that *not* wearing a helmet is safer is a *moron"...big difference... obtw...I didn't blow a gasket over your remarks as you so confidently think, you're comments are *amusing" if nothing else. Similiar to a child, you comments are innocently ignorant and lack any educational background or experience....and like a child you resort to making wisecracks and insults if you *know* you are losing a discussion... I'm merely expressing my opionion which *sounded* to you like I was angry...I've noticed that anyone who disagrees with you sounds hysterical yet your opinons no matter how asinine are logical... Incidently, making wisecracks about men may sound cute to you, but it's also grown old and stale... -aki ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_21386.34e84601.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com Comments: Authenticated sender is Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_21386.34e84601.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 16 09:37:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22201; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21029; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27197; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-248.s57.as4.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.248]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10975; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:35:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802161435.JAA10975@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:35:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199802161358.AA05740@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <199802150136.UAA04148@smtp1.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > I'm merely expressing my opionion which > *sounded* to you like I was angry...I've noticed that anyone > who disagrees with you sounds hysterical yet your opinons > no matter how asinine are logical... > Aki.. you blew up. Face it. You may hate to admit it, but you did. It was funny, we laughed, and now its over. Get over it, silly creature. > Incidently, making wisecracks about men may sound cute to you, > but it's also grown old and stale... > I dont make wisecracks. I merely state the obvious. Are you finished with your temper tantrum name calling yet? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 16 11:50:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25207; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22705; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01812; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Mon Feb 16 10:43 CST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com (dcn72.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA18711 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:34:41 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3AD0.D2232890@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:48:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Bandit 600 Still for sale Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:48:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI . . . . Thought I would send out a second post saying that my Bandit is still for sale. Please let me know if you are (still) interested or not. Call or e-mail me. John Carver 703 713 7458 703 264 0132 jcarver@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 16 12:00:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25523; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22954; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02433; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA08410; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:57:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv3-28.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.92) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008391; Mon Feb 16 10:57:17 1998 Message-ID: <34E82F65.127@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:23:15 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian McCoy Subject: Re: MARRC Cornerworker Info - Training References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am really looking forward to attending and it looks like a friend from work, she rides a VTR1000 will also be attending with me. I really have no excuse not to, anyway, living so close to the track. Anyway a question for you, I am not at all familiar with the Silver Spring area, and if the weather holds we will probably ride to the class. How is parking/security at this rec center. Are the bikes likely to still be sitting where we parked them when the class is done? -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 16 13:30:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27566; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24293; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05350; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from rothp ([198.27.17.48]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 313 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:26:43 -0500 Sender: arottier@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34E88509.F4E@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:27:21 -0800 From: Amy Rottier X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: '83 Honda Shadow VT500 (repeat) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I'm just putting this up again. And no, I refuse to give my opinion re: helmets!!! ;) Actually, I have a web page started with a picture of the bike. First try, and all that. Be nice. http://www.angelfire.com/md/platypus69/ Later! Amy -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Amy E. Rottier Donovan Platypus =) Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX Lockheed Martin Technical Operations 7474 Greenway Center Drive Suite 200 301-901-6020 (office) Greenbelt, MD 20770 301-901-6161 (fax) ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 08:44:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13862; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08928; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27913; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25484; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A37DE303E6; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:41:20 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980217080413.00a29820@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:04:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Helmet Laws In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980214210850.00687c98@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Maybe >>insurance companies should include a clause in their policies that excludes >>medical coverage for injuries sustained by a lid-less cranium. > >The Teamsters tried that last year. The problem with it is that riding a >motorcycle without a helmet is a legal (although risky) recreational >activity. There are lots of risky things that could be used to deny medical >coverage. > >As motorcyclists, we need to stick together and insist that motorcycling in >all its forms is a legitimate recreational activity. Otherwise we'll find >ourselves in a position similar to smokers. (Pipe and cigar smokers face >much less risk than cigarette smokers but are just as unwelcome and face >many of the same insurance denials.) > >Leon Begeman Leon, how could you! Limit motorcycles to only a "recreational activity"? You, who use a bike to get to work every day? Let's promote bikes as a recreational activity AND as a legitimate form of transportation that can cut traffic and parking congestion. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 11:03:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16374; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13413; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01655; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28676; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA03664; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:04:08 -0500 Message-ID: <34E9B431.24DCBA97@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:00:50 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Laws References: <3.0.1.32.19980217080413.00a29820@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are correct. I erred. Strike the word 'recreational' from my previous post. The emphasis should still be on all motorcyclists sticking together. We should all support: Dirt bikers who wish to ride off-road. Sport bikers who would like to be able to ride motorcycles with more than 100 hp. Cruisers who wish to ride without a helmet. Those who ride in the winter - including the guy who recently got turned away from a mountain pass because he didn't have tire chains, and they were mandatory beyond that point. And even those folks who insist on using their motorcycles for transportation The general public doesn't distinguish between us, we need to learn to appreciate the reasons that others among us choose to enjoy a different aspect of our avocation. Leon. Chris Norloff wrote: > >> Maybe > >>insurance companies should include a clause in their policies that excludes > >>medical coverage for injuries sustained by a lid-less cranium. > > > >The Teamsters tried that last year. The problem with it is that riding a > >motorcycle without a helmet is a legal (although risky) recreational > >activity. There are lots of risky things that could be used to deny medical > >coverage. > > > >As motorcyclists, we need to stick together and insist that motorcycling in > >all its forms is a legitimate recreational activity. Otherwise we'll find > >ourselves in a position similar to smokers. (Pipe and cigar smokers face > >much less risk than cigarette smokers but are just as unwelcome and face > >many of the same insurance denials.) > > > >Leon Begeman > > Leon, how could you! Limit motorcycles to only a "recreational activity"? > You, who use a bike to get to work every day? > > Let's promote bikes as a recreational activity AND as a legitimate form of > transportation that can cut traffic and parking congestion. > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 13:09:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19259; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16871; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06159; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:07:13 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id 1NLQa25044 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:06:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9aafd62f.34e9d1af@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:06:37 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: He knocked over my baby! Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_887738797_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_887738797_boundary Content-ID: <0_887738797@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ok....I parked 3 FEET AWAY from the large white boat of a cage with South Carolina tags .... I entered the video store.....2 minutes later a man comes in and announces "they knocked over your bike" I assume he's kidding but I go look anyway ..... the "gentleman" in the white car decided to back up all 3 feet (plus) to un-parallel park his car and in the process knocked over my defenseless ride .... snapped off the rear-view mirror and smashed out the colored plastic and the bulb on one of the turn signals......flooded the engine and scraped up the side....argh! oh...and did I mention that by the time I got outside to look, he was gone? maybe he thinks chicks don't belong on bikes............................................................ Marcy --part0_887738797_boundary Content-ID: <0_887738797@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Return-path: To: cb-1@XXXXXX Subject: they knocked over my baby!!! Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:04:58 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ok....I parked 3 FEET AWAY from the large white boat of a cage with South Carolina tags .... I entered the video store.....2 minutes later a man comes in and announces "they knocked over your bike" I assume he's kidding but I go look anyway ..... the "gentleman" in the white car decided to back up all 3 feet (plus) to un-parallel park his car and in the process knocked over my defenseless ride .... snapped off the rear-view mirror and smashed out the colored plastic and the bulb on one of the turn signals......flooded the engine and scraped up the side....argh! oh...and did I mention that by the time I got outside to look, he was gone? maybe he thinks chicks don't belong on bikes............................................................ (sorry about the green machine Donald.............but I'm getting it fixed up again) Marcy --part0_887738797_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 13:34:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19771; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17241; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06896; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id NAA06615; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:32:38 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D44FEA6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: He knocked over my baby! Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:29:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain What an asshole! Sorry about that, Mouse. Did it run after it was toppled? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 1:07 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: He knocked over my baby! > > ok....I parked 3 FEET AWAY from the large white boat of a cage with > South > Carolina tags .... I entered the video store.....2 minutes later a man > comes > in and announces "they knocked over your bike" I assume he's kidding > but I go > look anyway ..... the "gentleman" in the white car decided to back up > all 3 > feet (plus) to un-parallel park his car and in the process knocked > over my > defenseless ride .... snapped off the rear-view mirror and smashed out > the > colored plastic and the bulb on one of the turn signals......flooded > the > engine and scraped up the side....argh! > > oh...and did I mention that by the time I got outside to look, he was > gone? > > maybe he thinks chicks don't belong on > bikes............................................................ > > Marcy > << Message: they knocked over my baby!!! >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 13:51:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20135; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17407; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07404; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:50:07 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA21156 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:50:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199802171850.AA21156@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:50:30 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:50:30 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:50:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:49:43 -0500 Subject: He knocked over my baby! To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9aafd62f.34e9d1af@aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME oh man...sorry to hear about that...let us know where this happened so we can be on the lookout for this a**hole...did you file a hit and run with the police? -aki > ok....I parked 3 FEET AWAY from the large white boat of a cage with South > Carolina tags .... I entered the video store.....2 minutes later a man comes > in and announces "they knocked over your bike" I assume he's kidding but I go > look anyway ..... the "gentleman" in the white car decided to back up all 3 > feet (plus) to un-parallel park his car and in the process knocked over my > defenseless ride .... snapped off the rear-view mirror and smashed out the > colored plastic and the bulb on one of the turn signals......flooded the > engine and scraped up the side....argh! > > oh...and did I mention that by the time I got outside to look, he was gone? > > maybe he thinks chicks don't belong on > bikes............................................................ > > Marcy > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 13:56:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20252; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17500; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07700; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA25993; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA11678; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980217185441.NQTR4595@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:54:41 -0500 Message-ID: <34E9DCF0.7ED7EE92@mci.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:54:40 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: He knocked over my baby! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D44FEA6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette asked: > > What an asshole! Sorry about that, Mouse. Did it run after it was > toppled? > I would think it just layed there.... :-) Actually, I shouldn't joke about it. Damned cagers. Sorry, Marcy... Hope it doesn't take much in time/money to get it fixed up again... Dale (the Horkster) PS: I would bet money that it *wasn't* intentional, that the clueless cager just didn't look in the rearview before backing up. I don't think any of those buttheads *wants* to risk scuffing up their precious cars... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 13:57:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20285; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17528; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07768; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ITOSQHJ7TC90N86V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:48:06 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:37:08 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:37:08 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:37:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Rides in VA/WV To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:37:13 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1047IGF2XUW6 X400-MTS-identifier: [;80733171208991/2351734@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Check out Bill Sowers' (WV HSTA Director and all around good guy) web page for some great routes on some great roads. The ride page url is http://www.localweb.com/mtrspts/ridepage.htm His home page is just: http://www.localweb.com/mtrspts Bill's stuff is so good there's even a picture of me in there somewhere :). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 14:00:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20384; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17703; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07925; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.130.113] (207-172-130-113.s50.as10.col.erols.com [207.172.130.113]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27817 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:10:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:10:56 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: r.chapin@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9aafd62f.34e9d1af@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ryan Chapin Subject: Re: He knocked over my baby! Oh man, that sucks Marcy, sorry to hear it. Did you get the guys tag number? Ry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 14:21:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20704; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18402; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08578; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:20:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23467; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:20:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07751; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:20:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802171920.OAA07751@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: He knocked over my baby! To: jinnsinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:20:06 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Did the guy come out of the video store? Any chance that they could figure out who is was and get the address? Louis > oh man...sorry to hear about that...let us know where this happened so > we can be on the lookout for this a**hole...did you file a hit and run > with the police? > > -aki > > > ok....I parked 3 FEET AWAY from the large white boat of a cage with South > > Carolina tags .... I entered the video store.....2 minutes later a man comes > > in and announces "they knocked over your bike" I assume he's kidding but I go > > look anyway ..... the "gentleman" in the white car decided to back up all 3 > > feet (plus) to un-parallel park his car and in the process knocked over my > > defenseless ride .... snapped off the rear-view mirror and smashed out the > > colored plastic and the bulb on one of the turn signals......flooded the > > engine and scraped up the side....argh! > > > > oh...and did I mention that by the time I got outside to look, he was gone? > > > > maybe he thinks chicks don't belong on > > bikes............................................................ > > > > Marcy > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 14:41:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21340; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18754; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09520; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Tue Feb 17 12:41 CST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com (dcn72.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id MAA15806 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:57:46 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3BAC.46007250@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:59:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dow, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: He knocked over my baby!boundary="part0_887738797_boundary" Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:59:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which store was it so we can stake it out for the rude cager's inevitable return???? If there are enough of us we can se how he likes it when his ride ends up on its side! It'll look like something out of Police Academy. -Sash Michael A. Dow LAN Support Team AT&T, Dulles Corner (703) 713-7062 >---------- >From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 1:06 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: He knocked over my baby!boundary="part0_887738797_boundary" > ><> >ok....I parked 3 FEET AWAY from the large white boat of a cage with South >Carolina tags .... I entered the video store.....2 minutes later a man comes >in and announces "they knocked over your bike" I assume he's kidding but I go >look anyway ..... the "gentleman" in the white car decided to back up all 3 >feet (plus) to un-parallel park his car and in the process knocked over my >defenseless ride .... snapped off the rear-view mirror and smashed out the >colored plastic and the bulb on one of the turn signals......flooded the >engine and scraped up the side....argh! > >oh...and did I mention that by the time I got outside to look, he was gone? > >maybe he thinks chicks don't belong on >bikes............................................................ > >Marcy > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 14:45:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21420; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18796; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09650; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.120]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA13073 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:43:44 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: geek needs job, sorry no mc content Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:40:14 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3bdb$de66d640$784d440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey, y'all-- My fiancee will be moving here (Potomac MD) at the end of March. She's a computer hardware/software tech support person and will be looking for a job then. Any leads or recommendations will be appreciated. Preferrably in Montgomery county, but I know most of y'all aren't, so whatever ya got..... Thanks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 14:56:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21749; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18982; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10054; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02024; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA25063; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:53:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA01261; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:53:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980217195350.OKEE4595@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:53:50 -0500 Message-ID: <34E9EACC.DCF30A7E@mci.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:53:48 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Laws References: <3.0.1.32.19980217080413.00a29820@mail.toward.com> <34E9B431.24DCBA97@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > The emphasis should still be on all motorcyclists sticking together. > > We should all support: > Dirt bikers who wish to ride off-road. I'm sure you meant on properly posted public areas or on private land with the landowner's permission, right? I don't necessarily want some yahoo with a dirtbike tearing up *my* yard...(unless it's me :-) > Sport bikers who would like to be able to ride motorcycles with more than 100 hp. Can't fault this, I'm a wannabe! :-) > > Cruisers who wish to ride without a helmet. If the aftereffects of this didn't drive up *MY* insurance costs, I probably wouldn't give a rat's ass about this issue. But every biker that goes down and splits his/her skull open is *bad* press for motorcycling as a whole, especially as far as the Insurance Maggots are concerned. > Those who ride in the winter - including the guy > who recently got turned away > from a mountain pass because he didn't have tire > chains, and they were mandatory beyond that point. Did he have tire chains? So where's the problem. There was a reason the mountain pass was closed, right? Extremely nasty weather. Imagine being the state cop/whatever assigned to block the mountain pass to vehicles without chains, and this intrepid biker comes along. He's a biker, therefore he's special, and tire chains don't apply to him. You let him ride on, and he wipes out and dies on a slippery downhill curve. Who's ass is on the line in the subsequent investigation? Who's job is at stake for dereliction of duty? Who's lives are potentially at risk in a needless and futile rescue operation, if undertaken? There's more at stake in *this* example than an individual biker's rights... > And even those folks who insist on using their > motorcycles for transportation > Again, guilty as charged... > The general public doesn't distinguish between us, we need to learn to appreciate > the reasons that others among us choose to enjoy a different aspect of our > avocation. > > Leon. > But there has to be some balance struck between individual rights and a responsibility to society here. Remember what they tell you in Driver's Ed, operating a motor vehicle is a *Priviledge*, not a *Right*? Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 15:02:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21921; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19087; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10257; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA06527; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:00:03 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D44FEAF@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'kevin thomas'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: geek needs job, sorry no mc content Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:57:03 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Fiancee?? When did that happen? Last I heard she was still "girlfriend.' Congrats, Kevin!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: kevin thomas [SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 2:40 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: geek needs job, sorry no mc content > > Hey, y'all-- > > My fiancee will be moving here (Potomac MD) at the end of March. > She's a > computer hardware/software tech support person and will be looking for > a job > then. Any leads or recommendations will be appreciated. Preferrably > in > Montgomery county, but I know most of y'all aren't, so whatever ya > got..... > > Thanks > Kevin > > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing > it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 15:20:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22436; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19230; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10815; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA07111 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA19297 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980217201826.FWOF13559@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:18:26 -0600 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:07 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: He knocked over my baby! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980217201826.FWOF13559@[166.41.242.141]> >ok....I parked 3 FEET AWAY from the large white boat of a cage with South >Carolina tags .... I entered the video store.....2 minutes later a man comes >in and announces "they knocked over your bike" I assume he's kidding but I go >look anyway ..... the "gentleman" in the white car decided to back up all 3 >feet (plus) to un-parallel park his car and in the process knocked over my >defenseless ride .... snapped off the rear-view mirror and smashed out the >colored plastic and the bulb on one of the turn signals......flooded the >engine and scraped up the side....argh! Well, this sucks. He must've really been pushing to not notice that they hit you. >oh...and did I mention that by the time I got outside to look, he was gone? Well, this really sucks. I just don't get why people would run from their responsibility. Maybe they don't know about Karma. >maybe he thinks chicks don't belong on >bikes............................................................ Now why would you say this? Did you see the driver? It was a man? You said gentleman. Could you describe him/his car to the police. I'm confused about this comment. To the lady riders out there, do you feel the same as Marcy? That people (in general) and men in particular, feel that "chicks don't belong on bikes"? In either case, I hope the damage was low enough to make some quick repair. That's a sweet little ride you have there. Todd. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 15:38:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23389; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:38:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19584; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:37:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11887; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA15163; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA08371; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:36:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980217203600.OYKX4595@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:36:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:33 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: st1100 CC: dc-cycles Subject: ST1100: More on REI - BC 700 Cyclometer on Sale X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980217203600.OYKX4595@[166.41.242.141]> FYI....Considered one of the nicer speed measuring devices on the market, the SSBC700 is on sale. Sigma Sport BC 700 Cyclometer A precision instrument for the serious cyclist, this bike computer features an odometer, stopwatch and clock, and it accurately measures speed. Features center mount and dual displays with easy-to-read, large numbers Transmitter fits by the top of the fork and magnet attaches to the spokes near the rim Battery included WW610737S Sale $19.99 Compare at $ 30.00 Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 15:41:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23461; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19617; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11989; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA19843; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:39:35 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D44FEB4@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: He knocked over my baby! Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:36:36 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain In answer to Todd's question, I feel most of the time I'm respected as a female rider & actually get treated quite well. Men seem to like a woman who understands what the hell "high siding" means and enjoy being able to actually ride WITH their partner... ; ) It's a nice thing to have in common. On the other hand, you do sometimes get imbeciles who say, "Don't tell me YOU ride!" as they simultaneously try to pick you up at the Crow Bar. I just term these people brainless losers and don't lump them in with the rest of you guys... : ) - Jeannette > I'm confused about this comment. To the lady riders out there, do > you feel the same as Marcy? That people (in general) and men in > particular, > feel that "chicks don't belong on bikes"? > > In either case, I hope the damage was low enough to make some quick > repair. That's a sweet little ride you have there. > > Todd. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 16:31:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24733; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20344; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13926; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3BC0.EABA00E0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:27:19 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: He knocked over my baby! Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:27:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 77 TEXT In response to Todd's question - I don't see it. No one seems shocked that I ride a motorcycle ( then again, I used to scare people too - must be the Nazi System Admin attitude). I get treated like my male counterpart in the fact that the public seems generally concerned for our safety regardless of sex. What I do see is that I can carry on a conversation with a man (since 9 times out of 10, men have ridden a motorcycle once in their lives) that has nothing to do with kids, computers, menustruation cycles, and husbands - subjects that my women co-workers and friends seem to dwell on. I think it has to do with whom you are communicating. If you are with mothers, you talk about kids. If you are with bitchy women, talk about what makes you bitchy (the other subjects), and if you are with bikers you talk about bikes. As for men in general, they're ok. But Dale's the first to yell, "women drivers" - "stupid blue hairs", etc when traffic isn't going well for him regardless if the driver is a man, woman or other (hard to tell these days). Marcy's just upset her bike got biffed so it's typical a man has to be the blame - logic of a female that only other females understand - code book not available. Can't blame her Sorry to hear about the bike. I feel your pain. Tracy Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 3:07 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: He knocked over my baby! >ok....I parked 3 FEET AWAY from the large white boat of a cage with South >Carolina tags .... I entered the video store.....2 minutes later a man comes >in and announces "they knocked over your bike" I assume he's kidding but I go >look anyway ..... the "gentleman" in the white car decided to back up all 3 >feet (plus) to un-parallel park his car and in the process knocked over my >defenseless ride .... snapped off the rear-view mirror and smashed out the >colored plastic and the bulb on one of the turn signals......flooded the >engine and scraped up the side....argh! Well, this sucks. He must've really been pushing to not notice that they hit you. >oh...and did I mention that by the time I got outside to look, he was gone? Well, this really sucks. I just don't get why people would run from their responsibility. Maybe they don't know about Karma. >maybe he thinks chicks don't belong on >bikes............................................................ Now why would you say this? Did you see the driver? It was a man? You said gentleman. Could you describe him/his car to the police. I'm confused about this comment. To the lady riders out there, do you feel the same as Marcy? That people (in general) and men in particular, feel that "chicks don't belong on bikes"? In either case, I hope the damage was low enough to make some quick repair. That's a sweet little ride you have there. Todd. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 16:42:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25033; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20444; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14217; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA18777; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA21194; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:40:15 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA21191; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:40:14 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3BA9.93A1D3D0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:40:14 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: He knocked over my baby! Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:35:49 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 40 TEXT >I often get a few curious glances from folks and maybe the question: "What >got you interested in riding?" (do guys get asked this?) but never outright >hostility aimed at me for being a female rider. Though most negative >comments come from non-riding women, like, "you're crazy to be doing that >(riding). . . Why are you trying to act like a boy (that one is from my >mom). . . Are you doing this just to met guys? (I won't even comment on that >one). . .What do YOU know about riding? . . . Nothing really nasty but >enough for a subtle eye-rolling response > >Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * PCS phone 703-624-1303 > >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 12:37 PM >To: 'Todd Peer'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: He knocked over my baby! > >In answer to Todd's question, I feel most of the time I'm respected as a >female rider & actually get treated quite well. Men seem to like a >woman who understands what the hell "high siding" means and enjoy being >able to actually ride WITH their partner... ; ) It's a nice thing to >have in common. > >On the other hand, you do sometimes get imbeciles who say, "Don't tell >me YOU ride!" as they simultaneously try to pick you up at the Crow Bar. >I just term these people brainless losers and don't lump them in with >the rest of you guys... : ) > >- Jeannette > >> I'm confused about this comment. To the lady riders out there, do >> you feel the same as Marcy? That people (in general) and men in >> particular, >> feel that "chicks don't belong on bikes"? >> >> In either case, I hope the damage was low enough to make some quick >> repair. That's a sweet little ride you have there. >> >> Todd. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 17:19:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26101; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20803; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15883; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:18:15 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id LWGIa08253; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:17:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:17:42 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: He knocked over my baby! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/17/98 1:33:44 PM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: <> yeah.....I cleared out the flooding and then it ran fine...although the clutch needs to be TWISTED back into proper alignment.......argh! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 17:23:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26201; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20836; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15945; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:22:16 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id VKUFa29118; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:21:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:21:21 EST To: mdow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: He knocked over my baby!boundary="part0_887738797_boundary" Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/17/98 1:57:59 PM, mdow@XXXXXX wrote: <> now now now there will be NO vicious biker vendetta against ignorant rude M*erF*ers without so much as a pea-sized brain to direct the course of their animal-like limbs....... ;D 8th & Pennsylvania SE From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 17:24:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26224; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20848; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16035; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:23:23 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id PBBa001990; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:22:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8986be73.34ea0dae@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:22:36 EST To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: He knocked over my baby! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/17/98 2:08:10 PM, Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX wrote: <> LOL actually it must have screamed because the person who came inside to tell me about it also picked it up for me (and then asked for a buck) ;D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 17:25:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26239; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20852; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16070; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:24:16 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id VZNFa25301; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:23:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <98bcc874.34ea0dcd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:23:07 EST To: r.chapin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: He knocked over my baby! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/17/98 2:12:48 PM, r.chapin@XXXXXX wrote: <> nope....only noticed it was South Carolina/...... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 17:25:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26245; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:25:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20865; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16081; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:24:29 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id HQWEa03056; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:24:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:24:08 EST To: louis@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: He knocked over my baby! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/17/98 2:20:25 PM, louis@XXXXXX wrote: <> no....he parked just a second before I did and walked up in the direction of the liquor store......go figure.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 17:42:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26570; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21157; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo30.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16470; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:42:04 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id PDAWa19955; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:29:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2c52e8f0.34ea0f30@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:29:01 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: He knocked over my baby! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/17/98 3:29:56 PM, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX wrote: <> it runs fine, just gotta get a new rearview and blinker...... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 18:33:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27382; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21771; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18083; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id RAA18324 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:26:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA30138 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:24:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980217232443.GSUL13559@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:24:43 -0600 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:20 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: And now, for something completely different X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980217232443.GSUL13559@[166.41.242.141]> The recent quibbling over helmet laws and the purported/dismissed safety thereof got me thinking about the correlation of good protective gear to a heightened level of risk taking while riding. Let me explain using some contrasting examples. Forget the perceived or known safety issues. Pretend you are the rider. Since most everyone on this list have some to a lot of experience, it shouldn't be that hard. a) Your riding your own bike, wearing a simple pair of jeans, tennis shoes, t-shirt (because it's hot out) and, because your state does not require it, no helmet. Even if you would never dress this way for a ride, play along. How fast and aggressive are you riding? b) Again, riding your own bike, wearing any combination of full leather w/ballistic padding, long gauntlet heavy leather gloves, tough leather boots that cover ankles and a full face helmet. And again, even if you would never dress this way for a ride, play along. Now how fast and aggressive are you riding? Be honest. I'm sure some of you would never dress like in ex a), and some of you would never dress like in ex b). But I think, generally speaking (and not including total squids), your style of dress defines how you like to ride. I'm guessing here. If you dress as in b) your riding style is a faster pace with the intention of carving out twisted roads with vigor. If you dress (close to) as in a) your riding style is a conservative pace with the intention of simply enjoying the scenary. All of your answers will vary, but I'd venture out and say that, like when you get a raise, the extra money tends to somehow get spent. IOW, with the more protective gear you put on, the more your safety budget gets stressed. My personal experience has ranged from a) above to just outside of b). The simple absence of gloves now make me nervous. But on the other hand, I feel more confident carving out some twisty back road knowing that if I go down, there is a better chance I won't grind my skin off, and I might even be able to walk away. Just thinking, very outloud. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 20:11:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29300; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22497; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20947; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.129.43] (207-172-130-124.s61.as10.col.erols.com [207.172.130.124]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17991 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:21:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:21:48 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: r.chapin@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980217232443.GSUL13559@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ryan Chapin Subject: Re: And now, for something completely different >The recent quibbling over helmet laws and the purported/dismissed safety >thereof got me thinking about the correlation of good protective gear >to a heightened level of risk taking while riding. > >Let me explain using some contrasting examples. Forget the perceived >or known safety issues. Pretend you are the rider. Since most everyone >on this list have some to a lot of experience, it shouldn't be that hard. > >a) Your riding your own bike, wearing a simple pair of jeans, tennis > shoes, t-shirt (because it's hot out) and, because your state > does not require it, no helmet. > > Even if you would never dress this way for a ride, play along. > How fast and aggressive are you riding? Ok, well I'm riding at about 2-5 mph and not on the street. I once fell in my parking lot, testing my racebike the night before a race. I was wearing exactly what you suggest I wear for this mental excersize and got wicked fucked up. Went to the hospital and enjoyed an hour and a half of debreeding (incase you dont' know what that is, its when they scrape your wounds with a scotchbrite pad impregnated with iodine and alchohol to get all the dirt, and dead skin off your wounds) for some reason, just luck I guess, I didn't hit my head. Ever since I NEVER get on a bike without FULL GEAR on, NEVER. > >b) Again, riding your own bike, wearing any combination of full leather > w/ballistic padding, long gauntlet heavy leather gloves, tough > leather boots that cover ankles and a full face helmet. > > And again, even if you would never dress this way for a ride, > play along. > Now how fast and aggressive are you riding? Be honest. Full gear . . :) well I might just trail the brakes and drag a knee in a corner or two that I know really well. . . . > >I'm sure some of you would never dress like in ex a), and some of you >would never dress like in ex b). But I think, generally speaking (and >not including total squids), your style of dress defines how you like >to ride. > >I'm guessing here. If you dress as in b) your riding style is a faster >pace with the intention of carving out twisted roads with vigor. If >you dress (close to) as in a) your riding style is a conservative pace >with the intention of simply enjoying the scenary. > >All of your answers will vary, but I'd venture out and say that, like >when you get a raise, the extra money tends to somehow get spent. >IOW, with the more protective gear you put on, the more your safety >budget gets stressed. > >My personal experience has ranged from a) above to just outside of >b). The simple absence of gloves now make me nervous. But on the >other hand, I feel more confident carving out some twisty back road >knowing that if I go down, there is a better chance I won't grind my >skin off, and I might even be able to walk away. > >Just thinking, very outloud. > >Todd >+-----------------------------+---------------+ >| '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | >| '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | >| '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | >+-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 20:17:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29404; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22537; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21083; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-115.s52.as2.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.115]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11290; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:23:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802180123.UAA11290@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles , Todd Peer Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:15:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: And now, for something completely different Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19980217232443.GSUL13559@[166.41.242.141]> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > a) Your riding your own bike, wearing a simple pair of jeans, tennis > shoes, t-shirt (because it's hot out) and, because your state > does not require it, no helmet. > > Even if you would never dress this way for a ride, play along. > How fast and aggressive are you riding? I never ride fast. Im the "scenic" kinda rider. Aggressive? I save that kind of riding for the men. I stay out of peoples way. If they tailgate me and I can move over, I will. If I CANT move, I slow down and stop. yes.. in the road. THEN I get aggressive. Im a "mellow" rider. > > b) Again, riding your own bike, wearing any combination of full leather > w/ballistic padding, long gauntlet heavy leather gloves, tough > leather boots that cover ankles and a full face helmet. > > And again, even if you would never dress this way for a ride, > play along. > Now how fast and aggressive are you riding? Be honest. Dont know. Ive never dressed that way. I dont ride a rocket bike. Dont wanna. If I WAS.. I think Id be a little faster and more aggressive. *IF* I was on a rocket bike. Its kinda like the false sense of well being that carrying a concealed weapon can give you, I think. You feel (well, I often do) that you can go places that you normally WOULDNT go. ALONE. SIMPLY cuz ya have a piece of steel hidden. Something that you probably couldnt GET to if you needed it in a HURRY. (Im workin on that slight flaw in my personality. Hidden DOESNT mean invincible) I would think that full body armour doesnt necessarily mean "safe" either. > > All of your answers will vary, but I'd venture out and say that, like > when you get a raise, the extra money tends to somehow get spent. > IOW, with the more protective gear you put on, the more your safety > budget gets stressed. Id rather spend the money on more chrome. LOTS of chrome. > > My personal experience has ranged from a) above to just outside of > b). The simple absence of gloves now make me nervous. I ALWAYS wear my gloves. Granted... they're fingerless black ones with red fringe. BUT *I* like 'em and feel NAKED without 'em! :) Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 20:34:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29743; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22683; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21475; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA08867; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:40:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:40:43 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: And now, for something completely different In-Reply-To: <19980217232443.GSUL13559@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > The recent quibbling over helmet laws and the purported/dismissed safety > thereof got me thinking about the correlation of good protective gear > to a heightened level of risk taking while riding. There's published evidence (I haven't seen it) that drivers in cars with airbags (the cars!) drive significantly faster than those without. There are other possible explanations, but there may be truth to the notion that an individual's risk tolerance is more-or-less constant for a given activity. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 21:11:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00428; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23572; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22224; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.229] (1Cust229.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.240.229]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03511 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:09:47 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199802171920.OAA07751@shell.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:09:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: He knocked over my baby! >Did the guy come out of the video store? Any chance that they could >figure out who is was and get the address? > >Louis > >> oh man...sorry to hear about that...let us know where this happened so >> we can be on the lookout for this a**hole...did you file a hit and run >> with the police? Louis is on to something: most stores these days have some kind of surveilance systems. You could ask the store manager if he could identify the person for you. If the person is a customer of the video store, their address is on file. This information would be easily accessed by the police. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 21:18:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00588; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23598; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22363; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.229] (1Cust229.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.240.229]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07674 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:16:29 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:16:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Re: He knocked over my baby! >In a message dated 2/17/98 2:20:25 PM, louis@XXXXXX wrote: > >< >figure out who is was and get the address?>> > >no....he parked just a second before I did and walked up in the direction of >the liquor store......go figure.... Ooooh! Excellent! All liquor stores have video cameras, and they usually have a time/date stamp on them. Definitely got yer perp on tape! And, by the way, vendetta is such an ugly word... I prefer "DIY Justice". Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 22:08:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01783; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24141; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23193; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomzell (Pool-207-205-219-245.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.245]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA25270; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:06:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980217220459.006f55d4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:04:59 -0500 To: "kevin thomas" , "dc-cycles" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: geek needs job, sorry no mc content In-Reply-To: <01bd3bdb$de66d640$784d440c@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Send a resume to my attention and I'll pass it along... I may need someone like her to take care of some stuff with my group of folks! Tom Zell ANADAC, Inc. 2200 Clarendon Blvd. Suite 900 Arlington, VA 22201 At 02:40 PM 2/17/98 -0500, kevin thomas wrote: >Hey, y'all-- > >My fiancee will be moving here (Potomac MD) at the end of March. She's a >computer hardware/software tech support person and will be looking for a job >then. Any leads or recommendations will be appreciated. Preferrably in >Montgomery county, but I know most of y'all aren't, so whatever ya got..... > >Thanks >Kevin > > >He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 22:20:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02015; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24845; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23457; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomzell (Pool-207-205-219-245.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.245]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA17522 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:18:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980217221616.006f8698@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:16:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: He knocked over my baby! In-Reply-To: <9aafd62f.34e9d1af@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Marcy, Sorry to hear about your bike getting knocked over... that really sucks! Where did it get scratched up at? I hope it's not too bad. The signal should be easy to replace, but the scratches suck especially when a bike is as nice as yours is. I've never had that happen to me(although you can't tell by looking at mine)... but then again I park my VFR on the sidewalk :) Have a good one! Tom Zell '86 VFR700/750F zellto@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 22:40:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02358; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25589; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23873; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:39:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.129.62] (207-172-129-62.s62.as5.col.erols.com [207.172.129.62]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA11040 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:46:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:46:52 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: r.chapin@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199802180123.UAA11290@smtp1.erols.com> References: <19980217232443.GSUL13559@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ryan Chapin Subject: Re: And now, for something completely different > Id rather spend the money on more chrome. LOTS of chrome. > Squeakers Hey Squeak? Think you'd buy a full face helmet if it was chrome?? I'll bet it'd look real purty. Wouldn't be that safe, cuz they are real dangerous to wear, but man, all that chrome would look really cool. Ryan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 23:02:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02628; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26099; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24191; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-22.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.63]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA01204 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:00:34 -0500 Message-ID: <05ef01bd3c21$fb491520$3f10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: And now, for something completely different Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:01:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 [WhamBam Thunder and Lightning and downpour as this goes out. Can view some spectacular flash displays, actually, being on a higher floor. Any typos from heaven, not me. Happy to be chaired, not saddled. ] At any rate, surely do understand about safety budget concerns [original message]. Have often caught myself in "cocoon" mode doing whatever. I think it was someone on this list that used a "Complacency Kills" tag: Thanks, it's come to mind often. Threw this clip from the NYTimes Mag onto the pile Sunday, never thinking that with a little stretching and bending . . .. "Questions for: Nicolas Hulot [CNBC daredevil adventure show host] ...snip Q. You've skied barefoot while being towed by a helicopter and scuba-dived near molten lava as it spills into the ocean. Are you worried that others will get hurt if they attempt similar feats? A. Yes! For years I have been telling people not to do things just for the risk. That is not my way. I always say, "Spend time to learn." Don't do things only for the vanity, because if you go to the vanity school then you are *stupide* and you will die. But if you go to the humility school, you will survive." Looking for Gore-Tex humility to sew into my riding clothes . . .. Bill Swanson / DC EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 6:42 PM Subject: And now, for something completely different > >The recent quibbling over helmet laws and the purported/dismissed safety >thereof got me thinking about the correlation of good protective gear >to a heightened level of risk taking while riding. > >Let me explain using some contrasting examples. Forget the perceived >or known safety issues. Pretend you are the rider. Since most everyone >on this list have some to a lot of experience, it shouldn't be that hard. > >a) Your riding your own bike, wearing a simple pair of jeans, tennis > shoes, t-shirt (because it's hot out) and, because your state > does not require it, no helmet. > > Even if you would never dress this way for a ride, play along. > How fast and aggressive are you riding? > >b) Again, riding your own bike, wearing any combination of full leather > w/ballistic padding, long gauntlet heavy leather gloves, tough > leather boots that cover ankles and a full face helmet. > > And again, even if you would never dress this way for a ride, > play along. > Now how fast and aggressive are you riding? Be honest. > >I'm sure some of you would never dress like in ex a), and some of you >would never dress like in ex b). But I think, generally speaking (and >not including total squids), your style of dress defines how you like >to ride. > >I'm guessing here. If you dress as in b) your riding style is a faster >pace with the intention of carving out twisted roads with vigor. If >you dress (close to) as in a) your riding style is a conservative pace >with the intention of simply enjoying the scenary. > >All of your answers will vary, but I'd venture out and say that, like >when you get a raise, the extra money tends to somehow get spent. >IOW, with the more protective gear you put on, the more your safety >budget gets stressed. > >My personal experience has ranged from a) above to just outside of >b). The simple absence of gloves now make me nervous. But on the >other hand, I feel more confident carving out some twisty back road >knowing that if I go down, there is a better chance I won't grind my >skin off, and I might even be able to walk away. > >Just thinking, very outloud. > >Todd >+-----------------------------+---------------+ >| '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | >| '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | >| '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | >+-----------------------------+---------------+ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 17 23:09:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02708; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26177; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24291; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:08:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (207-172-110-202.s11.as4.frd.erols.com [207.172.110.202]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA08760; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:19:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802180419.XAA08760@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Ryan Chapin Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:07:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: And now, for something completely different Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <199802180123.UAA11290@smtp1.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > > Id rather spend the money on more chrome. LOTS of chrome. > > Squeakers > > > Hey Squeak? Think you'd buy a full face helmet if it was chrome?? > I'll bet it'd look real purty. Wouldn't be that safe, cuz they are real > dangerous to wear, but man, all that chrome would look really cool. > > > Ryan > > Naw.. chrome wouldnt match my hair. I prefer to have the chrome between my legs. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 01:00:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04626; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28751; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25986; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.52] (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:58:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: And now, for something completely different Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 00:58:04 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Just thinking, very outloud. Even though I've only been riding since June, I've gone out with a minimum of jeans, shirt (short sleeve) gloves and lid. Max is cordura pants, belfast jacket (with leather jacket underneath and a fleece liner for warmth) lid, heavy gloves. I've ridden a total of about 100 feet without a lid. Just around the yard. And were I riding on gravel instead of grass, I probably would have donned the lid. Never without gloves. For some reason (probably because as a kid, I rode bicycles with gloves, but no helmet) this just feels wrong. Now, to get to the point of your question: undeniably, the more I've got on, the more I push it. When I went out in jeans and t-shirt, that was definately when I was riding the cruiser, and never went more than 55-60. What was the point of all this? I don't know. Anyway, there's my data point(s). You tally it. Oh, just one more little bit: got a refund from State Farm (since I just turned 25, they are refunding me the difference in insurance due to my improved rate with the higher age) and it's just enough to pick up the shorty helmet I was thinking about. This is purely for summertime rides to work and assorted errands (since moving to the apartment, I ride 2 miles to work and 2 miles back, with a maximum of 18 miles of errands in between). Will I ride more conservatively with a shorty vs. a full face? No doubt in my mind. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 01:22:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05081; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28961; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26763; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.31] (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:16:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: He knocked over my baby! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 01:16:08 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Alan Lapp" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Louis is on to something: most stores these days have some kind of >surveilance systems. You could ask the store manager if he could identify >the person for you. If the person is a customer of the video store, their >address is on file. This information would be easily accessed by the >police. I know that you can't give out a list of what movies someone has rented, does handing out their name/address fall under that same law? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 02:41:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA05775; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29271; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from garibaldi.webcity.at by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27791; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:40:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from brunner (line57.inode.at [195.58.160.189]) by garibaldi.webcity.at (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA14614; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:39:38 +0100 Message-Id: <199802180739.IAA14614@garibaldi.webcity.at> From: "Martin Brunner" To: "Todd Peer" , "st1100" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: ST1100: More on REI - BC 700 Cyclometer on Sale Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:32:58 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote at 17. Februar 1998 21:00 > > Sigma Sport BC 700 Cyclometer > Transmitter fits by the top of the fork and > magnet attaches to the spokes near the rim All, while surfing the '98 catalogue of Hein Gericke I found the Sigma 700 there as well (Model BC 301/700, price: DM 29,95,-) What popped into my eye were the two specials they are offering: A illumination kit: # 27005506, price DM 26,95,- and a special magnet for_casted_rim spokes(!!): # 27005505, price DM 4,95,- FWIW regards Keep tires down ST4ever! Martin STOC# 637 (Sept.'97) PanEuro# 42 (Oct.'97) candy glory red '92 martin.brunner@XXXXXX Vienna, AuSTria, Europe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 08:57:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09415; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02997; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01638; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.145]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA16804; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:55:37 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "George Howell" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: He knocked over my baby! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:52:04 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3c74$654908c0$914e440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 The video store probably couldn't give _Marcy_ the guy's address, but they could give it to the police, since they'd be investigating a hit-and-run. Find the guy and he loses his license; 12 points instantly! Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 08:57:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09421; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:57:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03001; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01647; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3C4A.B7FCB3C0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:53:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: And now, for something completely different Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:53:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 30 TEXT I don't know - she might end up looking like one of those Cylons from Battlestar Galactica. Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Ryan Chapin[SMTP:r.chapin@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 10:46 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: And now, for something completely different > Id rather spend the money on more chrome. LOTS of chrome. > Squeakers Hey Squeak? Think you'd buy a full face helmet if it was chrome?? I'll bet it'd look real purty. Wouldn't be that safe, cuz they are real dangerous to wear, but man, all that chrome would look really cool. Ryan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 09:51:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10001; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04037; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03015; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA13154; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:49:43 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D44FEBA@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Ryan Chapin'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: And now, for something completely different Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:46:47 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's funny Ryan mentions this. The other week when I dropped my bike on top of me after I stepped in a deep hole, I fell first on concrete steps before having the bike fall on top of me. Needless to say, I think my skin would've taken a beating if I hadn't been wearing my leathers since I was only wearing thin leggings underneath. Instead, I just ended up with a really nasty bruise that took 2 weeks to go away. I, too, am pretty paranoid now about not being fully protected, although I did ride from Denver, CO to Sturgis, SD with my Daddy (about an 8 hour ride) on the back of his Harley in jeans, tank top, NO HELMET & goggles. However, we rode on straight roads that you could see for miles on. I can't say I wouldn't do that again, to tell you the truth. I know, I know... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Chapin [SMTP:r.chapin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 8:22 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: And now, for something completely different > > >The recent quibbling over helmet laws and the purported/dismissed > safety > >thereof got me thinking about the correlation of good protective gear > >to a heightened level of risk taking while riding. > > > >Let me explain using some contrasting examples. Forget the perceived > >or known safety issues. Pretend you are the rider. Since most > everyone > >on this list have some to a lot of experience, it shouldn't be that > hard. > > > >a) Your riding your own bike, wearing a simple pair of jeans, tennis > > shoes, t-shirt (because it's hot out) and, because your state > > does not require it, no helmet. > > > > Even if you would never dress this way for a ride, play along. > > How fast and aggressive are you riding? > > > Ok, well I'm riding at about 2-5 mph and not on the street. I > once > fell in my parking lot, testing my racebike the night before a race. > I was > wearing exactly what you suggest I wear for this mental excersize and > got > wicked fucked up. Went to the hospital and enjoyed an hour and a half > of > debreeding (incase you dont' know what that is, its when they scrape > your > wounds with a scotchbrite pad impregnated with iodine and alchohol to > get > all the dirt, and dead skin off your wounds) for some reason, just > luck I > guess, I didn't hit my head. Ever since I NEVER get on a bike without > FULL > GEAR on, NEVER. > > > >b) Again, riding your own bike, wearing any combination of full > leather > > w/ballistic padding, long gauntlet heavy leather gloves, tough > > leather boots that cover ankles and a full face helmet. > > > > And again, even if you would never dress this way for a ride, > > play along. > > Now how fast and aggressive are you riding? Be honest. > > Full gear . . :) well I might just trail the brakes and drag > a > knee in a corner or two that I know really well. . . . > > > > > >I'm sure some of you would never dress like in ex a), and some of you > >would never dress like in ex b). But I think, generally speaking > (and > >not including total squids), your style of dress defines how you like > >to ride. > > > >I'm guessing here. If you dress as in b) your riding style is a > faster > >pace with the intention of carving out twisted roads with vigor. If > >you dress (close to) as in a) your riding style is a conservative > pace > >with the intention of simply enjoying the scenary. > > > >All of your answers will vary, but I'd venture out and say that, like > >when you get a raise, the extra money tends to somehow get spent. > >IOW, with the more protective gear you put on, the more your safety > >budget gets stressed. > > > >My personal experience has ranged from a) above to just outside of > >b). The simple absence of gloves now make me nervous. But on the > >other hand, I feel more confident carving out some twisty back road > >knowing that if I go down, there is a better chance I won't grind my > >skin off, and I might even be able to walk away. > > > >Just thinking, very outloud. > > > >Todd > >+-----------------------------+---------------+ > >| '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | > >| '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | > >| '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | > >+-----------------------------+---------------+ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 10:01:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10153; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04180; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03295; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA01087; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA05948; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980218145912.HQQT13559@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:59:12 -0600 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:50 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles , "John C. Kozyn" Subject: Re: Sigma 700? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980218145912.HQQT13559@[166.41.242.141]> This is the third inquiry as to where to purchase the Sigma 700. It is a cyclometer that happens to be VERY accurate up to around 300mph (so I've heard). As some of you may already know, your speedo loses some accuracy at higher speeds, mostly favorable to your perception. It has been documented that on the ST1100, at 65mph indicated the real speed tends toward 62mph. At 75mph indicated, the real speed is something like 68mph. The cyclometer provides an accurate measure of real speed. Very handy for documenting travel, and arguing a possible ticket (just be certain it is calibrated correctly) You can buy it on sale now at REI in Bailys xroads, or shop it online at http://rei.com/ under "great buys". Todd Message-ID: <34EA89F9.231@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:12:57 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: Todd Peer Subject: Sigma 700? Todd? $20 ? Where? John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" - K. Marx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 10:03:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10196; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04201; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03328; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA06556 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:04:38 -0500 Message-ID: <34EAF7B9.ED3A6EB2@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:01:13 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: He knocked over my baby! References: <01bd3c74$654908c0$914e440c@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I realize this happened in DC, but here's the answer if it had happened in Virginia. In Virginia Section 46.2-896 states the duties of the "gentleman" http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504?000+cod+46.2-896 It says he should leave a note. If he doesn't then Section 46.2-900 states "if the vehicle or other property struck is unattended and such damage is less than $250, such person shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor . . .(and) be assigned three demerit points by the Commissioner of the Department of Motor Vehicles." More damage than this is a Class 1 misdemeanor. You could probably really mess up his life for a while though if you were able to find out who he is, and put a lien on his "boat" in the amount of the damages. Given the number of witnesses, this would probably sail right through small claims court, especially since he's unlikely to show up to deny he did it. If he did show up, you've caused him enough trouble that he'll think twice before driving off again. kevin thomas wrote: > The video store probably couldn't give _Marcy_ the guy's address, but they > could give it to the police, since they'd be investigating a hit-and-run. > Find the guy and he loses his license; 12 points instantly! > > Later > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 10:12:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10396; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04358; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03587; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA22813; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:10:07 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D44FEBF@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: He knocked over my baby! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:07:10 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 4:35 PM > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette' > Subject: RE: He knocked over my baby! > > I often get a few curious glances from folks and maybe the question: > "What got you interested in riding?" (do guys get asked this?) but > never > outright hostility aimed at me for being a female rider. Though most > negative comments come from non-riding women, like, "you're crazy to > be > doing that (riding). . . Why are you trying to act like a boy (that > one > is from my mom). . . Are you doing this just to met guys? (I won't > even > comment on that one). . .What do YOU know about riding? . . . Nothing > really nasty but enough for a subtle eye-rolling response > > Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * PCS phone 703-624-1303 > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 12:37 PM > >To: 'Todd Peer'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: He knocked over my baby! > > > >In answer to Todd's question, I feel most of the time I'm respected > as a > >female rider & actually get treated quite well. Men seem to like a > >woman who understands what the hell "high siding" means and enjoy > being > >able to actually ride WITH their partner... ; ) It's a nice thing > to > >have in common. > > > >On the other hand, you do sometimes get imbeciles who say, "Don't > tell > >me YOU ride!" as they simultaneously try to pick you up at the Crow > Bar. > >I just term these people brainless losers and don't lump them in with > >the rest of you guys... : ) > > > >- Jeannette > > > >> I'm confused about this comment. To the lady riders out there, do > >> you feel the same as Marcy? That people (in general) and men in > >> particular, > >> feel that "chicks don't belong on bikes"? > >> > >> In either case, I hope the damage was low enough to make some quick > >> repair. That's a sweet little ride you have there. > >> > >> Todd. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 10:14:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10430; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04383; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03640; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA23631; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:12:03 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D44FEC0@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: He knocked over my baby! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:09:05 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain > I got this comment from a male today: "Ah, there's nothing like a > woman with a helmet." > - Jeannette > > -----Original Message----- > From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 4:35 PM > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette' > Subject: RE: He knocked over my baby! > > I often get a few curious glances from folks and maybe the question: > "What got you interested in riding?" (do guys get asked this?) but > never > outright hostility aimed at me for being a female rider. Though most > negative comments come from non-riding women, like, "you're crazy to > be > doing that (riding). . . Why are you trying to act like a boy (that > one > is from my mom). . . Are you doing this just to met guys? (I won't > even > comment on that one). . .What do YOU know about riding? . . . Nothing > really nasty but enough for a subtle eye-rolling response > > Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * PCS phone 703-624-1303 > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 12:37 PM > >To: 'Todd Peer'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: He knocked over my baby! > > > >In answer to Todd's question, I feel most of the time I'm respected > as a > >female rider & actually get treated quite well. Men seem to like a > >woman who understands what the hell "high siding" means and enjoy > being > >able to actually ride WITH their partner... ; ) It's a nice thing > to > >have in common. > > > >On the other hand, you do sometimes get imbeciles who say, "Don't > tell > >me YOU ride!" as they simultaneously try to pick you up at the Crow > Bar. > >I just term these people brainless losers and don't lump them in with > >the rest of you guys... : ) > > > >- Jeannette > > > >> I'm confused about this comment. To the lady riders out there, do > >> you feel the same as Marcy? That people (in general) and men in > >> particular, > >> feel that "chicks don't belong on bikes"? > >> > >> In either case, I hope the damage was low enough to make some quick > >> repair. That's a sweet little ride you have there. > >> > >> Todd. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 10:56:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11089; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04968; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04715; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:55:36 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id CJXSa25300; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:51:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5191001f.34eb03a0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:51:58 EST To: klthomas@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: He knocked over my baby! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/18/98 10:06:54 AM, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: <> he had South Carolina tags kids............................ Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 11:16:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11366; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05447; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05263; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06423; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:15:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13810; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:14:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802181614.LAA13810@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Sigma 700? To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:14:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980218145912.HQQT13559@[166.41.242.141]> from "Todd Peer" at Feb 18, 98 09:50:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There is another cycle computer on sale at REI, called the Vetta C-25 AT. It's $10 more than the Sigma 700, has a lumina light, and is supposed to be waterproof. The only feature that the Sigma 700 has listed that the Vetta doesn't is Average speed. Anyone else know anything about these two? John (Kozyn), what was the brand that you had that didn't go beyond 70mph? Louis > This is the third inquiry as to where to purchase the Sigma 700. > > It is a cyclometer that happens to be VERY accurate up to around 300mph > (so I've heard). As some of you may already know, your speedo loses > some accuracy at higher speeds, mostly favorable to your perception. > It has been documented that on the ST1100, at 65mph indicated the real > speed tends toward 62mph. At 75mph indicated, the real speed is something > like 68mph. > > The cyclometer provides an accurate measure of real speed. Very handy > for documenting travel, and arguing a possible ticket (just be certain > it is calibrated correctly) > > You can buy it on sale now at REI in Bailys xroads, or shop it online > at http://rei.com/ under "great buys". > > Todd > > > Message-ID: <34EA89F9.231@XXXXXX> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:12:57 -0800 > From: "John C. Kozyn" > To: Todd Peer > Subject: Sigma 700? > > Todd? > > $20 ? > > Where? > > John Kozyn > "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" - K. Marx > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 11:49:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12090; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04491; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03989; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from rothp ([198.27.17.48]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 182 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:22:27 -0500 Sender: arottier@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34EAFCB4.244B@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:22:28 -0800 From: Amy Rottier X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: And now, for something completely different References: <199802180000.TAA22043@tove.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > The recent quibbling over helmet laws and the purported/dismissed safety > thereof got me thinking about the correlation of good protective gear > to a heightened level of risk taking while riding. ...snip... > a) jeans/t-shirt/no helmet > > b) full leather/ballistic padding/long gauntlet heavy leather gloves, tough/leather boots that cover ankles and a full face helmet. ...snip... > > My personal experience has ranged from a) above to just outside of > b). The simple absence of gloves now make me nervous. But on the > other hand, I feel more confident carving out some twisty back road > knowing that if I go down, there is a better chance I won't grind my > skin off, and I might even be able to walk away. In my 8 years now, I have gone from being comfortable in jeans and boots and top-for-level-of-warmth to jeans and boots and leather jacket and gloves. Always full-face helmet. And I have to say that the increased coverage is also directly proportional to my increased level of riding and comfort at higher speeds. I've always been interested in speed; so when I found myself regularly taking roads at higher speeds and greater lean angles than previously, I promised to myself that I would at the very least always wear sturdy boots, a leather/protective jacket, and leather gloves. The next step is a $$ commitment to protective legwear... But I concur with Todd's simplified safety wear-to-riding style comparison. Amy PC800 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Amy E. Rottier Donovan Platypus =) Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX Lockheed Martin Technical Operations 7474 Greenway Center Drive Suite 200 301-901-6020 (office) Greenbelt, MD 20770 301-901-6161 (fax) ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 11:51:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12109; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06785; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06606; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21863; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA15889; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:50:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:50:42 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Dale Horstman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Laws In-Reply-To: <34E9EACC.DCF30A7E@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just a thought: since liability and theft insurance are (or should be) based on the actuarial experience of the vehicle AND of the rider, why not modify the insurance premium (up or down, as the claims evidence shows) for riders who do/don't wear helmets. I realize that you can subdivide this sort of stuff ad infinitum (open or full-face; DOT or Snell; leathers or t-shirt, etc.) but this would seem be a reasonable first step to both allocate costs where they belong AND short-circuit the argument; "you can't do that 'cause I end up paying for it". --garcia On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > > > Cruisers who wish to ride without a helmet. > > If the aftereffects of this didn't drive up *MY* > insurance costs, I probably wouldn't give a rat's > ass about this issue. But every biker that goes > down and splits his/her skull open is *bad* press > for motorcycling as a whole, especially as far as > the Insurance Maggots are concerned. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 12:49:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12905; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09443; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08613; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA06770 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3C6B.71B841B0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:48:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Todd Peer'" Subject: RE: And now, for something completely different Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:28:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 6:20 PM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: And now, for something completely different > >--snip-- > >I'm guessing here. If you dress as in b) your riding style is a faster >pace with the intention of carving out twisted roads with vigor. If >you dress (close to) as in a) your riding style is a conservative pace >with the intention of simply enjoying the scenary. Absolutely, I believe there _is_ a correlation there (for me atleast). That correlation goes both ways too. Not only do I find myself riding more aggressively when wearing greater levels of protection, but I tend to wear greater levels of protection when I know I will be riding more aggressively. I have ridden (mostly in my early years of riding) dressed in a) but I have never ridden in full leathers (don't own any). However, now I find that I very rarely get on the bike without a full aerostich type riding suit. . The only exceptions to that are extreme cold, when I need my Spartan bib winter pants, which are not the greatest for protection, (sometimes warmth has to take precedence), or when I am down at my folks in South Carolina, and I go out for the occasional no-helmet cruise. I do find I ride very sedately down there without the lid, but I am willing to chance it since they live in an extremely rural area and I am not as concerned about other drivers (sometimes you don't even see one in a 20 min ride), but rather with my own abilities and control. When I can put my safety "mostly" in my own hands, I tend to take greater risks. Personally, I couldn't imagine riding around Metro DC sans helmet ... >All of your answers will vary, but I'd venture out and say that, like >when you get a raise, the extra money tends to somehow get spent. >IOW, with the more protective gear you put on, the more your safety >budget gets stressed. Agreed. But there are some other intervening variables in that equation for me also ... riding local, type of road, group riding, passenger, weather, condition of tires, type of bike, etc. >My personal experience has ranged from a) above to just outside of >b). The simple absence of gloves now make me nervous. But on the >other hand, I feel more confident carving out some twisty back road >knowing that if I go down, there is a better chance I won't grind my >skin off, and I might even be able to walk away. I am sure that the protection I wear while riding will prevent road rash, so that is not really a concern for me ... I'm far more worried about the sudden deceleration caused by hitting that immovable object at speed (i.e. tree, guardrail, curb, car, etc.)! I'm pretty confident that if I have a get off (even up to say 70 or 80 mph) I'll be fine and walk away from it provided I have the room to slide clearly to a stop ... Later and YMMV, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 13:10:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13376; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:10:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10089; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09323; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ITQ4JN28NK90N5U0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:50:13 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:31:48 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:31:48 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:24:44 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: Sigma 700? In-reply-to: <199802181614.LAA13810@shell.clark.net> To: dc-cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:31:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E1538ZXGHHWFJQ X400-MTS-identifier: [;84132181208991/2355566@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >There is another cycle computer on sale at REI, called the Vetta >C-25 AT. It's $10 more than the Sigma 700, has a lumina light, >and is supposed to be waterproof. The only feature that the >Sigma 700 has listed that the Vetta doesn't is Average speed. >Anyone else know anything about these two? Vetta's quality control in the last 2-3 years has been crap. I had a C-20 that died within a month. This was not an unusual occurence with their bike computers or bike computer/heart rate monitors. I've had a Sigma BC700 on my mountain bike for about two years. This is harsher usage than it'd receive on a street motorcycle. It hasn't skipped a beat. The Cateye computers are good low-priced units as well (I've had two of their Mity 2 models that worked great). For more money the avocet computers are another option. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 13:12:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13423; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10171; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09423; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA10802 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3C6E.B54A81B0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:11:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Re: He knocked over my baby! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:33:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 10:51 AM >To: klthomas@XXXXXX; ghowell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: He knocked over my baby! > > >In a message dated 2/18/98 10:06:54 AM, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: > ><> > >he had South Carolina tags kids............................ >Marcy That doesn't necessarily mean anything Marcy ... around here (DC area) he could be military or work for the gov't and maintain tags in SC, even though he lives here locally. Could also conceivably have a local license. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 13:12:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13433; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10187; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09444; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA10840 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3C6E.B6F4D650@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:11:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Re: He knocked over my baby! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:35:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 10:51 AM >To: klthomas@XXXXXX; ghowell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: He knocked over my baby! > > >In a message dated 2/18/98 10:06:54 AM, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: > ><> > >he had South Carolina tags kids............................ >Marcy That doesn't necessarily mean anything Marcy ... around here (DC area) he could be military or work for the gov't and maintain tags in SC, even though he lives here locally. Could also conceivably have a local license. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 14:38:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15608; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12825; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12943; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:37:14 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA12287 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:37:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199802181937.AA12287@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:37:38 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:37:38 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:37:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:34:17 -0500 Subject: News of the Wierd Clips To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199802180419.XAA08760@smtp3.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME Here's a couple of NotW clips that I thought everyone would find entertaining.. enjoy, -aki >* In November, the city of Pittsburgh, Pa., agreed to forego an appeal >and thus to pay a $1.5 million judgment to motorcyclist Henry F. Jodzis >Jr., for injuries suffered in 1979 when, fleeing police after running a stop >sign, he smashed into a police car being used as a roadblock. The >original jury verdict in 1987 was for $60,000, but the City Council >insisted on an appeal, and a second trial in 1995 awarded the higher >amount. The juries found the Pittsburgh police violated its own rules on >roadblocks. > >* In November, the High Court in London, England, awarded Peter >Lawrence, 39, about $1.6 million for injuries he suffered in a 1991 >motorcycle accident. Several broken bones mended quickly, but not >the damage to the part of his brain that governs emotion and control. >Before the accident, the Court found, Lawrence was an easy-going >man with a stable marriage and a good job, but now, after having lost >his job and marriage, he cannot stop making impulsive, offensive sexual >advances, and several women testified that he has sexually harassed >them. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 14:49:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15793; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13247; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13139; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA15060 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:50:52 -0500 Message-ID: <34EB3ACE.75EE7771@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:47:27 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Sigma 700? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an Avocet 45 on the IronButt Moped. The things I don't like about it are 1) sometimes the vibration from the engine causes the max speed to be much higher than the actual maximum. 2) The average speed calculation stops falling when the bike is stopped to refuel etc. I would prefer it to begin and end manually. 3) It doesn't have a light. I'll probably try to buy one that will let me calculate average speed the way I want to. The other two items I can live with. Leon. Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 wrote: > X400-MTS-identifier: [;84132181208991/2355566@FDACD] > A1-type: MAIL > Hop-count: 1 > > >There is another cycle computer on sale at REI, called the Vetta > >C-25 AT. It's $10 more than the Sigma 700, has a lumina light, > >and is supposed to be waterproof. The only feature that the > >Sigma 700 has listed that the Vetta doesn't is Average speed. > >Anyone else know anything about these two? > > Vetta's quality control in the last 2-3 years has been crap. I had a > C-20 that died within a month. This was not an unusual occurence with > their bike computers or bike computer/heart rate monitors. I've had a > Sigma BC700 on my mountain bike for about two years. This is harsher > usage than it'd receive on a street motorcycle. It hasn't skipped a > beat. The Cateye computers are good low-priced units as well (I've had > two of their Mity 2 models that worked great). For more money the > avocet computers are another option. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 14:53:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15885; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13295; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13280; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA21280; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:51:25 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D44FED2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wheelies in the Rain... Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:49:41 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yesterday driving home from work on 14th Street, a guy on a dual sport pulled up next to me on the opposite side of the road. As I was checking out the bike (since I drool openly over bikes), I guess he must've noticed 'cause he pulled a KILLER WHEELIE in the pouring rain as he started off. As some of you remember, wheelies normally don't impress me, but I must say, this one did. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 16:20:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18332; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14892; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17644; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA01984 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA09820 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:18:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980218211841.YPOQ4595@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:18:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:16 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Sigma 700? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980218211841.YPOQ4595@[166.41.242.141]> Leon Wrote: >I have an Avocet 45 on the IronButt Moped. The things I don't like about it >are 1) sometimes the vibration from the engine causes the max speed to be much >higher than the actual maximum. 2) The average speed calculation stops ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >falling when the bike is stopped to refuel etc. I would prefer it to begin ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >and end manually. 3) It doesn't have a light. > >I'll probably try to buy one that will let me calculate average speed the way >I want to. The other two items I can live with. I'm not real clear what you mean by "stops falling", but if you mean it stops taking into account the time you are stopped, I agree. To calculate the correct average rolling speed for a trip, you need to figure this stoppage in as well. Why is this so important? If you participate in any Long Distance competition (like Leon does), it is enormously helpful to know how fast you are travelling - "on average". If you've only got 24 hours to complete 1000 miles, that works out to an average rolling speed of ~41.7mph IF you never stopped for gasoline and rest. So if you planned to stop for gasoline and rest for a total of 8 hours then your average rolling speed would need to be 62.5mph. Just 2 more hours of rest/stops causes your ARS to jump to ~71.4mph. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 16:53:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19486; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15392; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19876; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17375; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:52:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34EB82EB.6257@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:55:07 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Sigma 700? References: <199802181614.LAA13810@shell.clark.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > > There is another cycle computer on sale at REI, called the Vetta C-25 AT. > It's $10 more than the Sigma 700, has a lumina light, and is supposed to be > waterproof. The only feature that the Sigma 700 has listed that the Vetta > doesn't is Average speed. Anyone else know anything about these two? > John (Kozyn), what was the brand that you had that didn't go beyond 70mph? Louis (& List) I made the mistake of getting the Trek model. It is not so trik, trust me. Besides only going up to 70mph, as opposed to their claim in the literature, which says 99.9, the sensing device came out of its housing. I'm pretty sure I left sufficient slack in the wiring too. The Trek was also able to measure average speed. John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" - K. Marx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 17:14:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20228; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16341; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20965; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24093 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:12:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10031 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:12:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802182212.RAA10031@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Sigma 700? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:12:33 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just a note for anyone who was thinking of getting the Sigma 700 at the local REI. I stopped by about 3:45 this afternoon (the store at Bailies X-Roads). Not only didn't they have any in stock, but the sales clerk I spoke to said that if the sale price is listed on the web page, that doesn't necessarily mean that it will be the sale price in the store. The 800-number for REI to order from the catalog is 1-800-426-4840. They also had a list of all their cyclometers and features. I didn't see any that give average speed, but NOT auto stop/start. i.e. they'll all give average speed for time that you are actually moving. Louis. > Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > > > > > There is another cycle computer on sale at REI, called the Vetta C-25 AT. > > It's $10 more than the Sigma 700, has a lumina light, and is supposed to be > > waterproof. The only feature that the Sigma 700 has listed that the Vetta > > doesn't is Average speed. Anyone else know anything about these two? > > John (Kozyn), what was the brand that you had that didn't go beyond 70mph? > > Louis (& List) > > I made the mistake of getting the Trek model. It is not so trik, trust > me. Besides only going up to 70mph, as opposed to their claim in the > literature, which says 99.9, the sensing device came out of its housing. > I'm pretty sure I left sufficient slack in the wiring too. The Trek was > also able to measure average speed. > > John Kozyn > "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" - K. Marx > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 18:53:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22118; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17980; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24884; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.74] (1Cust74.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.240.74]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15108 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:51:53 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19980217232443.GSUL13559@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:51:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: And now, for something completely different >On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > >> >> The recent quibbling over helmet laws and the purported/dismissed safety >> thereof got me thinking about the correlation of good protective gear >> to a heightened level of risk taking while riding. > > > >There's published evidence (I haven't seen it) that drivers in cars with >airbags (the cars!) drive significantly faster than those without. There >are other possible explanations, but there may be truth to the notion >that an individual's risk tolerance is more-or-less constant for a given >activity. > >--garcia There is also the possibility that since airbags were initially installed only on higher-end products (i.e. Lexus & Acura but not Hundai) in the early days of airbags, there is a bias in the data slanting it towards high-performance luxury cars. I suggest that people who own these cars bought them *not* because they were equipped with an airbag, but *because they were nice, fast cars*. I further suggest that these people would drive fast in any vehicle, regardless of safety equipment. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 22:17:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24518; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19319; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29662; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-166.s166.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.166]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18748; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:19:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34EBA52F.3B7D8792@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:21:20 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: He knocked over my baby! References: <5191001f.34eb03a0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That doesn't mean anything... They can suspend his license (no matter where it's from) within the state of Virginia (ask my wife Penny...she can attest to this :) long story ) Any way you look at it though it still sucks! Collin JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 2/18/98 10:06:54 AM, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: > > <> > > he had South Carolina tags kids............................ > Marcy -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 18 22:31:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24647; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19392; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29934; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:28:49 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id LDRBa05262; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:28:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3a5a550b.34eba6e7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:28:37 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Wheelies in the Rain... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 In a message dated 98-02-18 14:59:58 EST, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: << he pulled a KILLER WHEELIE in the pouring rain >> safety aside...................YUM........................LOL Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 01:01:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26698; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:00:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20997; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03393; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.65.18]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA23750 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:57:21 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Goldwing wanted, GSX1100G for sale Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3cfa$bf097300$1241440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey, y'all-- My bro-in law wants a GL-1200 or 1500, up to $10000, preferably in a dark color. If you see any, please tell me. Anybody know the address of a Wing list? He'll also be selling his 93 GSX1100G, gray, 6800 miles. It has progressive springs, a plexi screen, ventura pack rack, and is otherwise stock. It's in real nice shape, and over 3000 of those miles were in the last year since he bought it. He and my sister are full-figured and need a bigger bike. I don't know what he wants for it yet, but I'd guess around $4000. Thanks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 02:52:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27902; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22026; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA05476; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA23732; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:57:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:57:59 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Alan Lapp cc: dc-cycle Subject: Re: And now, for something completely different In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Alan Lapp wrote: > > garcia oliver wrote: > >There's published evidence (I haven't seen it) that drivers in cars with > >airbags (the cars!) drive significantly faster than those without. There > >are other possible explanations, but there may be truth to the notion > >that an individual's risk tolerance is more-or-less constant for a given > >activity. > > > >--garcia > > There is also the possibility that since airbags were initially installed > only on higher-end products (i.e. Lexus & Acura but not Hundai) in the > early days of airbags, there is a bias in the data slanting it towards > high-performance luxury cars. > > I suggest that people who own these cars bought them *not* because they > were equipped with an airbag, but *because they were nice, fast cars*. I > further suggest that these people would drive fast in any vehicle, > regardless of safety equipment. > > Al > level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Yes; this is certainly one of the "other possible explanations" alluded to. Another might be that people who know that they drive fast may tend to buy cars with airbags (which, in turn, is slightly different from "people who buy cars with airbags tend to drive faster as a result of the perception of greater safety"). Ideally, you would want to have "matched controls": cars and drivers that differ only by the presence/absence of airbags. Since I haven't seen the original study, I don't know how these sorts of issues were addressed. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 07:18:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29575; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28349; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA08293; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA02057 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:15:24 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:15:24 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Goldwing wanted, GSX1100G for sale Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:17:04 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT >He'll also be selling his 93 GSX1100G, gray, 6800 miles Kevin, 'snot even broken in yet!!! Prolly still has the original tyres.... Michael J (I've only got 39K miles on mine - so if anyone's interested in Kevin's B-I-L's, I can share experiences) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 08:27:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29999; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28645; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08984; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgny001.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA29501 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgny001.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3D10.120F3700@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:26:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Todd Peer'" Subject: RE: Sigma 700? Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:26:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 4:16 PM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Sigma 700? > >--snip-- > >Why is this so important? If you participate in any Long Distance >competition (like Leon does), it is enormously helpful to know how >fast you are travelling - "on average". If you've only got 24 hours >to complete 1000 miles, that works out to an average rolling speed >of ~41.7mph IF you never stopped for gasoline and rest. So if you planned >to stop for gasoline and rest for a total of 8 hours then your average >rolling speed would need to be 62.5mph. Just 2 more hours of rest/stops >causes your ARS to jump to ~71.4mph. > >Todd I agree that overall average speed is an important calculation, but the reason the cyclometers probably don't calculate it is a) the fact that if you have an odometer and a stopwatch you can easily calculate overall average speed ... just divide the distance by time. Granted it is much easier and quicker to just look down at a reading, but I think Bicyclists are more concerned with average speed while moving for training/workout and racing purposes. SO ... do any MOTORCYCLE companies make one that calculates the way we need? Probably, but at much more $$$. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 08:32:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00082; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28712; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:30:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09051; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A4099F0238; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:30:49 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980219082048.00983590@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:20:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Wheelies in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <3a5a550b.34eba6e7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:28 PM 2/18/98 EST, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 98-02-18 14:59:58 EST, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: > ><< he pulled a KILLER WHEELIE in the pouring rain >> > >safety aside...................YUM........................LOL > >Marcy The wheelie was probably to keep his feet dry. The front tire throws up quite a plume of water, right onto your feet, as you pass through standing water. So it makes sense to keep the front wheel out of the water. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 09:54:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01202; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00720; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11699; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:52:32 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id RKUQa03040; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:52:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5d2e757e.34ec472d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:52:27 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Wheelies in the Rain... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 2/19/98 8:36:35 AM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: <> awww come on .... we'd find YOUR wheelies int he rain JUST as yummy ;D Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 10:11:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01419; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00946; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12153; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA29096; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:09:31 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D44FEE2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Spring is Here... Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:07:49 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain ; ) What a beautiful ride in today!! I hope some of us are lucky enough to be off & enjoying the day... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 10:56:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02037; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01554; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13666; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3D24.80648430@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:52:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Spring is Here... Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:52:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT Yep! And some of us get to leave at noon today and go home (the long way). Tracy ---------- From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 1998 10:07 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Spring is Here... ; ) What a beautiful ride in today!! I hope some of us are lucky enough to be off & enjoying the day... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 10:58:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02071; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01579; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13729; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA27839; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:05:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:05:00 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Spring is Here... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D44FEE2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII GRUMBLE, GRUMBLE, GROWL..... Thursday I discovered a large hole in my front tire which prevented it from holding air! I have another D205F sitting in my living room awaiting me to find the time to put it on. Don't rub it in! ;-) To make matters worse, I just returned from San Francisco where I saw about 3-6 bikes on (what seemed like) every other street corner! On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > ; ) > What a beautiful ride in today!! > I hope some of us are lucky enough to be off & enjoying the day... > > - Jeannette > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 11:01:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02110; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01611; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13800; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05267 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:00:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17704 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:59:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802191559.KAA17704@shell.clark.net> Subject: RE: Spring is Here... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:59:58 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit And some of us even get to leave for classes in downtown DC right after work is through!! Oh, wait, that's not a good thing, is it. :-( Louis > Yep! And some of us get to leave at noon today and go home (the long way). > > Tracy > > ---------- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 1998 10:07 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Spring is Here... > > ; ) > What a beautiful ride in today!! > I hope some of us are lucky enough to be off & enjoying the day... > > - Jeannette > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 11:02:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02129; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01647; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13861; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3D25.5C95D710@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:58:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Cold riding Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:58:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 22 TEXT I don't think they do much motorcycle riding here -> Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr Wonder what El Nino does for them - possibly bring them up to near freezing for a high. - Tracy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Learning Kingdom's Cool Fact of the Day for February 19, 1998 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- What is the coldest inhabited village in the world? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The coldest inhabited village in the world is Oymyakon, a town located in eastern Siberia. Oymyakon gets as cold as -70 degrees Celsius (-94 degrees Fahrenheit) and has an average temperature of -50 degrees Celsius (-58 degrees Fahrenheit) in January, its coldest month. Oymyakon is so cold that milk is sold not in bottles, but in frozen chunks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 11:23:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02403; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02446; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14496; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:22:24 -0500 (EST) From: Vamoto@XXXXXX Received: from Vamoto@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id LJIJa03597; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:22:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3a5b5b2f.34ec5c2d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:22:01 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Spring is Here... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 For Sure....for the first time, I took a passenger for a ride on my new VFR. Lets put it this way, its A LOT more fun than on my cruiser. The lean angle pretty much ensures that she was wrapped around me the whole time.....that and my charm!! (-: Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 11:27:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02457; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02519; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14588; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ITRELJORGG90NQI4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:48:31 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:35:26 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:35:26 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:35:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: Spring is Here... In-reply-to: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D44FEE2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:35:34 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1424IGH2A1M2 X400-MTS-identifier: [;62530191208991/2359100@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >What a beautiful ride in today!! >I hope some of us are lucky enough to be off & enjoying the day... Not only am I not lucky enough to be off but my back tire went flat on the way home yesterday while I was in the inside lane on the beltway about 4 miles from home. I may start carrying a bike pump and the plug kit with me when commuting. Now I've got to get a new tire (this one has served me well and lasted almost 10k miles!). Imagine my joy as I headed off to work in my car on a day like today. I'll have to at least take a walk at lunch... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 11:30:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02496; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02550; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14684; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Thu Feb 19 10:29 CST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com (dcn72.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA14422 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:29:05 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD3D29.D39B5D90@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:30:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dow, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cold riding Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:30:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's what I usually say when it's really cold: "Oy, my akon fingers! Oy, my akon kneecaps!..." -Sash Michael A. Dow LAN Support Team AT&T, Dulles Corner (703) 713-7062 >---------- >From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX[SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 19, 1998 10:58 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Cold riding > >*SNIP* >The coldest inhabited village in the world is Oymyakon, a town located >in eastern Siberia. > >Oymyakon gets as cold as -70 degrees Celsius (-94 degrees Fahrenheit) >and has an average temperature of -50 degrees Celsius (-58 degrees >Fahrenheit) in January, its coldest month. Oymyakon is so cold that >milk is sold not in bottles, but in frozen chunks. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 12:02:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03100; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03418; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15916; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.server.ibm.com (relay1.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.98]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA39662 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:56:29 -0500 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay1.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id LAA130288 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:59:29 -0500 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100015272731; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:03:18 -0500 From: Tom Knapik To: Message-ID: <5040100015272731000002L012*@MHS> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:03:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hey ya'll if you are at all interested in side cars, trikes, etc., here's a site by one of DC-cycles own!!!! Check it out! http://www.3wheels.com./ Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 12:23:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03473; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03891; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16570; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA15174 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:25:41 -0500 Message-ID: <34EC6A3E.6DC10297@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:22:07 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Spring is Here... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I, too, left the motorcycle at home today. It sure was fun passing cars on 123 with the moped! I think it needs a tune-up again though. Maybe it's just stale gas. Anyway I made it from Dale City to Tyson's Corner in just over an hour. That's almost exactly the same as it takes on the motorcycle using the HOV lanes. Leon > >What a beautiful ride in today!! > >I hope some of us are lucky enough to be off & enjoying the day... > > Imagine my joy as I headed off to work in my car on a day like today. > I'll have to at least take a walk at lunch... > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 13:08:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05190; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04397; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19653; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:06:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A4BD4001FE; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:06:53 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980219130034.009c4ce0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:00:34 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Spring is Here... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D44FEE2@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:07 AM 2/19/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >; ) >What a beautiful ride in today!! >I hope some of us are lucky enough to be off & enjoying the day... And for those of us not, it's nice to be able to ride in and ride home. I got the sidecar rig out today -- don't want it to think I've forgotten it! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 15:05:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08148; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06976; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dclink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25013; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:03:36 -0500 (EST) X-ROUTED: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:06:42 -0500 Received: from THOMPSOL.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id APAGBCCA ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:06:18 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Subject: Hello To All Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:05:20 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3d71$b5014500$c66b97a0@THOMPSOL.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I am new to this list and to the mailing list thing, so I don't know if this is proper etiquitte or not, but here goes. My name is Jay, I ride a 93 yamaha FZR 600. I work at Walter Reed, which is in NW DC. I wanted to send a message to all the list members so that I will have been introduced. I have a few friends in Southern Maryland that I ride with and a few up around DC. I am looking forward to the warmer weather and to meeting some of you. Thanks for putting up with my little speech! Later, Jay P.S. I have a friend looking for a 600cc sportbike in the $2000 price range. If you know of one, please contact me! http://www.dclink.com/jaynik/index.htm Bodybuilding: The Right Way! http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/2199/ Jay's FZR Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/8576/ Jay's Hunting Page From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 15:54:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08986; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09339; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:53:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26796; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:53:50 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA02025 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:54:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199802192054.AA02025@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:54:06 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:54:06 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:54:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:52:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Spring is Here... To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980219130034.009c4ce0@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME well...hate to be a stick in the mud but it's getting pretty dank outside (Reston)...been sprinkling must of the afternoon but it might let loose anytime from the looks of the clouds.. also the temp is dropping... coommmmeee ooonnn springtime!!! -aki > At 10:07 AM 2/19/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > >; ) > >What a beautiful ride in today!! > >I hope some of us are lucky enough to be off & enjoying the day... > > > And for those of us not, it's nice to be able to ride in and ride home. I > got the sidecar rig out today -- don't want it to think I've forgotten it! > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 19 16:01:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09115; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:01:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09590; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27065; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA26565; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:00:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA28638; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114