From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 00:23:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06276; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02108; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24641; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.109] (unverified [207.226.128.109]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 00:26:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Cleveland CW Bike Show Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 00:20:40 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" After spending two horrid days at Seven Springs with the most rude Pennsylvanians I have ever met (the staff. Most of the guests and skiers were decent) I went to Kent to see my girlfriend's family (she was in tow, of course:) Imagine my surprise to learn that the Cleveland IX center was hosting the CW Bike Show this weekend;) Angie and I (along with most of the tatoo'ed portion of the state's population) went there on Saturday. After a ten minute wait for tickets, went inside the show. Spent the next two hours elbow to elbow with who knows how many people. Anyway, there were tons of cruisers. Some of them actually interesting. A few of the new sportbikes. Just to touch on some memories of the show: BMW: An R1100 or R1200S is confirmed. Supposed to be introduced along with a K1200RT at the Intermot show next fall. Cool deal. Jeanette, I might be wanting to sell my bike if that R1200S comes out. Also had an unpainted (well, it was black and white, but no emblems) R1100RT police bike. Strange seeing a touring bike with only a solo saddle. 50% of the bikes there were cruisers. Plus they were showing the bike chase from the latest Bond flick. Plus they were selling scads of BMW cruiser-ware. I hope they haven't put too many eggs in this basket. Moto-Guzzi: Speaking of weird, they had a Guzzi police bike at the show. Whatever. Finally got to see the California in person. Now I know what my dad means when he says that Guzzi always built big bikes with proportions for small guys (he's only 5'9". Barely;) I sat on that 1100, and was quite cramped. Bimota: Damn! That V-due looked really cool. Pissed off one of the sales drones when I mentioned the recent recall while he had 3-4 interested parties talking to him:) Ducati: I don't care much for most sportbikes, but that 916 is sex on two wheels. And my girlfriend looked perfect on it. Too bad she can't ride (or drive). FWIW, I felt like a hooligan just sitting on the M900. Harley: You can actually sit on them at the show. Not a bad idea if you are planning on dropping $15000 on a bike sight unseen. Yamaha: Nifty new sportbike (yzf r1????) Too bad they didn't have any you could sit on. Suzuki: If they'd just do something about that taillight on the new Katanas, they'd have something pretty nifty. And why no ABS on the Bandit 1200 this year? Damned Luddites... Honda: The PC800 has a bigger trunk than my car. Girlfriend didn't like the GL 1500 seat. Claims it feels different from last year. Thanks for saving me $17,000 Honda:) Forgot to look at the new Interceptor. Doh! Kawasaki: Wow! The Nomad is EXACTLY like a Vulcan with plastic luggage. Why couldn't I think of that? Got to see a KE-100 in person. Coulda slipped it under my jacket and walked out:) KTM: Why no Duke at the show? That was one of the bikes I wanted to see damnit! Buell: Wow. Same crap as last year. Same colors. Same lack of QC. Polaris: Nice bike. Too bad it's another damned cruiser, and the prices are already being pushed beyond MSRP. Wonder how it'll hold up. And has any Polaris tech ever worked on a 4-stroke? Ural: Thanks for showing up. Perhaps the most interesting new bike at the show, IMHO. Vendors: Give me a break. Not only are these prices obnoxious compared to mail order, careful shopping and knowing the parts guy can frequently get you a better price in a retail store. Who the hell are you trying to kid? All except for one vender. This guy named Fred was selling subscriptions to MCN. I finally got to see a few issues of the magazine. And the price was $29 for two years. As $29 was what they wanted for one year according to the web site, I figured what the heck. Got an extra issue for subscribing at the show. Took me longer to read those 40 pages than it normally does to read the 100+ of the other rags. BTW, after looking at the masthead, it seems that Fred was actually Fred Rau. Cool deal. Great mag. Hope all of the issues are as good as the ones I saw on the table. (BTW, can anybody copy the articles on ergonomics? I only got to skim them, and would like to take a longer look at them. TIA) A fun time. I'll likely go again next year. But I'll do what I did last year and not arrive until later in the afternoon when all of the crowds have dissipated. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 02:46:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA07559; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02934; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA26857; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA14440; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:41:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:37:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Exhaust leaks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <55fcb23c.34d2523a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 RDWOODJR@XXXXXX wrote: > << Where the header and collector meet on my Hawk I've got a leak. > SuperTrapp doesn't prescribe a clamp or anything for this joint. Over > time the outer piece has spread wider. > My Sportster 2-1 stainless steel pipe had a clamp, so did my GPZ1100. > Measure the outside diameter of the collector. If it's 2", I have an extra > stainless steel SuperTrapp clamp on my workbench you can have. I wouldn't use > sealants myself, this clamp is not like a threaded-use-a-screwdriver clamp, it > uses a bolt. What's the problem?My Buell's had a slight exhaust leak since the first time I pulled the muffler. Seriously,Buell mufflers are ment to be pulled,and they're sealed with a tighten-the-bolt clamp like Rich described,and some red silicon.My header leaks only cause I didn't bother to replace the sealant after pulling the muffler(it's a very small leak).Using both of these should plug yours up. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 02:56:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA07629; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA03066; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA26970; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA14471; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:52:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:49:26 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, George Howell wrote: > Buell: Wow. Same crap as last year. Same colors. Same lack of QC. Did they have a 'Molten Orange' S1 w/blue frame and wheels?Was it as ugly in person as I thought it would be? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 04:19:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA08376; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03662; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA28054; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA22189 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 03:18:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 03:18:35 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: this sucks.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII not only am I ridless (for the time being) - I'm working nights AND the super. is militant. Damn do I hate authority that feels they don't have to explain themselves - guess it's a good thing I don't work for the Gov. - eh? Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - Next? (street) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) 83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 07:14:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09480; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04891; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29860; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-100-35.s258.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.100.35]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21573 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:14:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D5B9EC.D3023209@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 07:19:56 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil: Battley's has one of the molten orange color or whatever it's called (or at least I'm guessing that orange monstrosity was one of em). It was "different". That's about all that can be said for it. George: KE100's are great!! I had one back when I was 14 so I could get to school and such...Not too shabby offroad; although I did destroy a pair of shocks when I tried to imitate the flying ability of my KX250 racebike ;-) They are really nice if you re-gear them and port the engine to get a few more ponies! As for Polaris, I thought most of their quadrunners were 4 stroke!? (ok, I'm from the land of farms where all the ranchers and farmers see how big their 4x4 quad can be)..They've just moved the engines into a cruiser frame, so working on em shouldn't be a big deal....besides (wink wink) how hard could a big v-twin be? he he he.... Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 08:39:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10337; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06039; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.CIRC.gwu.EDU by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01104; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA10216; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from michael.chem.gwu.edu ([128.164.160.155]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA27417; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:39:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980202083152.007a1100@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:31:52 -0500 To: George Howell , "DC Cycles" From: "Michael P. Tolocka" Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >BMW: An R1100 or R1200S is confirmed. Supposed to be introduced along >with a K1200RT at the Intermot show next fall. R1100S? What niche does this bike fill? >Yamaha: Nifty new sportbike (yzf r1????) Too bad they didn't have any you >could sit on. You should have went to the NYC show ;-) > Forgot to look at the new Interceptor. Doh! That's a shame, great bike. >KTM: Why no Duke at the show? That was one of the bikes I wanted to see >damnit! NYC show had one too, apparently a really fun bike. Mike 1990 CeeBeeOne AMA#608333 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 08:58:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10643; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06487; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01573; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10391; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A0E123D019C; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:57:53 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202081657.00965b40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:16:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Lean Angles In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980131220329.00684814@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:03 PM 1/31/98 -0500, Leon Begeman wrote: >A good time was had by all (except those under 10 yrs. old.) It was rather >chilly out there today. ... >Chris Norloff rode his CB750 around the tight circles and left lots of black >marks on the pavement. Dragging the rear brake and making tight corners >doesn't do much for boots. Great fun! Nice to see folks I hadn't seen in a while, and some I'd never met. Yes, for those of you wondering, those black marks in the tight circles were from my right boot. I control speed with the rear brake (in a situation like this) and I've got the brake pedal lowered for my long legs -- I always knew how far I was leaned over to the right! Leaning to the left, I got all the way over until the engine guard touched down. Thinking back to it all, I wonder if I may have been counter-leaning a bit (sitting more upright than the bike) -- that would make my bike lean more than it actually had to. more! more! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 08:58:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10648; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06494; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01578; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A0E223D019C; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:57:54 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202082940.00965b40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:29:40 -0500 To: Brian McCoy , DC-Cycles list From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: this sucks.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry to hear. Have you seen any used bikes you're interested it? There was a Suzuki 550, needs work, for $450/obo in the Washington Post yesterday. Price is right, depending on what work it needs, of course. _The Want Ad_, (or whatever those small-format, sold at 7-11, pay for your ad only if you sell magazines are called) might have some possiblities for you. Any idea if fixing your old bike is feasible? Speaking as a garage-less rider myself, I gotta say it's lousy to work on your bike in the winter. good luck, Chris Norloff ******************************************************** At 03:18 AM 2/2/98 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: >not only am I ridless (for the time being) - I'm working nights AND the >super. is militant. Damn do I hate authority that feels they don't have >to explain themselves - guess it's a good thing I don't work for the Gov. >- eh? > >Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - Next? (street) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) >83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? >www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 10:00:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11403; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07302; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03119; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA10802; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:58:11 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB63B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Newbie Drops Bike... Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:55:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I told some of you this story when I saw you on Saturday, but I thought it was pretty funny, so I'm posting it... As some of you know, I'd been pretty proud that it took me 5 months to finally drop my bike the first time (of course, though it HAD to be in front of someone!!) Well, I had my second incident Saturday morning before the lean angles seminar of Leon's... My driveway is very uphill & I was attempting to ride the babyceptor up the driveway without having her sufficiently warmed up - my bike HAS to warm up or she does not run....or, conks out... Well, long story short, I got her partway up the driveway, then she conked out on me. I tried to put my left foot down while braking with my right hand. Oops! I stepped into a hole & my foot went into a garbage can full of water. So, I totally lost balance & the bike landed on my left leg with me landing on the cement stairs on my left side. I calmly tried to remove my leg from under the bike - nothing. After numerous attempts, I took my helmet off - I guess I wouldn't be needing that!! and tried to push the bike off me. No luck whatsoever. She wasn't moving & I didn't have any leverage in the position I was laying. Basically, I was stuck and stuck good. I was considering what to do next when I heard the engine of a jeep - YAY!! SALVATION!! My roommate (thank Goddess for male roommates!!) returned home because he got the time of his flag football game wrong. I smiled, waved sheepishly, & he helped me from my prone position. He didn't even laugh at me. Now THAT'S a roommate! Two positive things learned: wearing leathers keeps you from getting your leg ripped up on stairs, and my First Gear Commander boots are COMPLETELY waterproof. I didn't even realize my leg was immersed in water until I looked down. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 10:24:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11826; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07888; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03925; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/970102ccg) with ESMTP id KAA22243; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:19:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802021519.KAA22243@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: shephar1@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, xl-list@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Battle2win magazine In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:29:15 PST." <34D3A5BB.6A96@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:19:53 -0500 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" I think I heard "Ken S." say: >Has anyone ever received by subscription or found for sale a new issue >of Battle2win magazine. the last issue I have is from the Summer of >1997, Vol 1 , Issue 4. I had spoken to them earlier and had believed >that they would be publishing a new isssue this month, but have not >heard from them, payment didnt even show up on latest credit card bill. >Was just wondering if anyone had gotten their issue. >-- > Ken S. > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood, WV I've got a subscription to it. I think they have a website to get the subscription from. I just got an issue a couple of weeks ago. ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 12:10:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14420; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10499; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08279; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA08833 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:09:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802021709.LAA08833@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> Received: from slip-32-100-159-231.dc.us.ibm.net(32.100.159.231) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008765; Mon Feb 2 11:08:37 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:09:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Va Legislation Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3EB63B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) >From another list: . . . for the folks in Virginia, there are two pieces of legislation before the General Assembly which need the input of motorcyclists. The first will remove tolls on motorcycle trailers and side cars from any state controlled highways. Currently bikes with a third axle (i.e., those pulling trailers and bikes with sidecars) are charged the same toll as 18 wheelers. (Can you believe it.) Anyway, House Bill 708 will remove these tolls. This bill is a no-brainer (as are many that need to be revised or enacted) and should receive all motorcyclists support. The other bill is a little more controversial, and I am not going to get into the pros and cons of helmet usage here. It will make the use of helmets optional for all riders over the age of 21. In other words freedom of choice. Now, as I said, my intent here is NOT to debate this issue -- it is to inform. There is not a bill number for the helmet amendment as yet. What I am asking is that all Virginia motorcyclists call in and register your opinions on these bills to your representatives. You can call 698-1990 (local Richmond) or 1-800-889-0229 from 7am to 7pm weekdays. They will take your name and address, and then ask you what you are calling in reference to and then your opinion. They will then forward your response to the appropriate representatives. I was told by the hot-line people when I called that the Helmet amendment is the number one issue that callers are voicing an opinion on. ALL Virginia motorcyclists need to have a voice in this issue. I don't care which side of the issue you are on, this is your opportunity to speak out. We don't want non motorcyclists or a just small group determining our future. There are 64,000 registered motorcycles and over 200,000 licensed motorcyclists in Virginia. SO JUST DO IT. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 12:15:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14498; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10639; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08470; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from rothp ([198.27.17.48]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 220 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:14:30 -0500 Sender: arottier@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34D5FF05.21A2@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:14:45 -0800 From: Amy Rottier X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 500 Shadow in Bowie $1100/obo References: <199801290000.TAA09149@tove.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy! I bought myself a bigger bike this weekend. Now up for grabs: 1983 Honda Shadow 500cc 29k miles windshield leather side bags maroon-y color extra after-market pipes (stock on bike) It's a great starter bike for someone. It's been 7 years and I'm due a bigger one for myself. Otherwise, I still love the thing. Thanks, Amy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 12:51:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15652; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11159; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10253; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:51:32 -0500 (EST) From: mdow@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Mon Feb 2 12:45 EST 1998 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id MAA26377 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA11079 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:08 -0500 Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2FD9.6FB12150@XXXXXX>; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:36 -0500 Message-Id: To: , Subject: RE: Va Legislation Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for bringing this to light, Bill. I have already called to make my opinion known, and I urge everyone else to do so as well. Michael A. Dow LAN Support Team AT&T, Dulles Corner (703) 713-7062 >---------- >From: Bill Schmidt[SMTP:billsch@XXXXXX] >Reply To: billsch@XXXXXX >Sent: Monday, February 02, 1998 12:09 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Va Legislation > >From another list: > >. . . for the folks in Virginia, there are two pieces of >legislation before the General Assembly which need the input >of motorcyclists. > >The first will remove tolls on motorcycle trailers and side >cars from any state controlled highways. Currently bikes >with a third axle (i.e., those pulling trailers and bikes >with sidecars) are charged the same toll as 18 wheelers. >(Can you believe it.) Anyway, House Bill 708 will remove >these tolls. This bill is a no-brainer (as are many that >need to be revised or enacted) and should receive all >motorcyclists support. > >The other bill is a little more controversial, and I am not >going to get into the pros and cons of helmet usage here. >It will make the use of helmets optional for all riders over >the age of 21. In other words freedom of choice. Now, as I >said, my intent here is NOT to debate this issue -- it is to >inform. There is not a bill number for the helmet amendment >as yet. > >What I am asking is that all Virginia motorcyclists call in >and register your opinions on these bills to your >representatives. You can call 698-1990 (local Richmond) or >1-800-889-0229 from 7am to 7pm weekdays. They will take >your name and address, and then ask you what you are calling >in reference to and then your opinion. They will then >forward your response to the appropriate representatives. > >I was told by the hot-line people when I called that the >Helmet amendment is the number one issue that callers are >voicing an opinion on. ALL Virginia motorcyclists need to >have a voice in this issue. I don't care which side of the >issue you are on, this is your opportunity to speak out. We >don't want non motorcyclists or a just small group >determining our future. There are 64,000 registered >motorcycles and over 200,000 licensed motorcyclists in >Virginia. SO JUST DO IT. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 12:52:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15670; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11167; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10296; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA22032 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:49:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 2 Feb 1998 17:52:21 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:53:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: CB Radios Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know a good local shop for buying a CB radio? Having tested it yesterday up to about 110 mph, the Autocom system worked so well I'm tempted to hook it up for bike-to-bike communication. I think the ideal one would be a "marine"-style handheld, for weather protection. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 12:52:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15684; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11175; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10311; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16632; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA28102; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:53:01 -0500 Message-ID: <34D607BE.FD56074@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:51:58 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lean Angles References: <3.0.1.32.19980202081657.00965b40@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sunday's weather was much better than Saturday. There weren't as many people on Sunday as Saturday. Colin and Penny both showed up with 11 mo old son. I suspect Dad and son had a better time than Mom did on this outing. Ursulina came on her 454 LTD, and did more riding than anyone else. She showed great improvement on the large circles, but didn't attempt the small ones. She does need to remember to turn the ignition switch off when dismounting the bike. I don't mind, that gave me an excuse to ride her bike. It wasn't a very long ride, and most of it was with the engine off, but it was another bike to ride. Tom Zell rode his VFR. Don't believe him when he tells you how ugly it is. There are no ugly bikes and and even if there were, his wouldn't win any prizes for being ugly. Colin took the Ninja ZX-9R home. He rode my Ninja around the small circles a couple of times, he didn't do as will with it as he did with Jeannette's Interceptor, but he was still well under 30 seconds. I'd really like to do this again. How about 4th of July in the Pentagon Parking lot? We can ride and picnic in the afternoon and watch fireworks after dark. Leon. Chris Norloff wrote: > At 05:03 PM 1/31/98 -0500, Leon Begeman wrote: > >A good time was had by all (except those under 10 yrs. old.) It was rather > >chilly out there today. > ... > >Chris Norloff rode his CB750 around the tight circles and left lots of black > >marks on the pavement. Dragging the rear brake and making tight corners > >doesn't do much for boots. > > Great fun! Nice to see folks I hadn't seen in a while, and some I'd never > met. > > Yes, for those of you wondering, those black marks in the tight circles > were from my right boot. I control speed with the rear brake (in a > situation like this) and I've got the brake pedal lowered for my long legs > -- I always knew how far I was leaned over to the right! > > Leaning to the left, I got all the way over until the engine guard touched > down. Thinking back to it all, I wonder if I may have been counter-leaning > a bit (sitting more upright than the bike) -- that would make my bike lean > more than it actually had to. > > more! more! > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 13:18:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16194; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11620; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11119; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09849; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id ADA4DB01DE; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:17:08 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202131748.00a021c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:17:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Lean Angles In-Reply-To: <34D607BE.FD56074@illuminet.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980202081657.00965b40@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:51 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Leon Begeman wrote: >Colin took the Ninja ZX-9R home. He rode my Ninja around the small circles a >couple of times, he didn't do as will with it as he did with Jeannette's >Interceptor, but he was still well under 30 seconds. > >I'd really like to do this again. How about 4th of July in the Pentagon Parking >lot? We can ride and picnic in the afternoon and watch fireworks after dark. > >Leon. In principle, yes. It was sure fun last year! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 13:21:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16291; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11783; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11228; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA24310; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:20:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA15113; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:20:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980202182033.ETPX6587@XXXXXX>; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:20:33 -0500 Message-ID: <34D60E73.E5145B71@mci.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:20:35 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CB Radios References: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So Harry, With this intercom, I take it you had a passenger with you at 110 mph? = 8 - o How good does the reception have to be to hear 'AAAAUUUUUGGHHHHH! SLOWDOWNSLOWDOWNSLOWDOWNSLOWDOWN!!!!' clearly? (just kidding! :-) By 'marine' I presume you meant watercraft and not soldiers with guns, right? I'm sort of interested in what you end up with. I've been looking at something reliable for the wife and I to talk bike-to-bike next summer on our bike vacation. Of course, most good systems cost in the neighborhood of what I spend on motorcycles, so I think we'll just end up doing lots of yelling and hand signalling this time around. Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > Does anyone know a good local shop for buying a CB radio? Having tested > it yesterday up to about 110 mph, the Autocom system worked so well I'm > tempted to hook it up for bike-to-bike communication. I think the ideal > one would be a "marine"-style handheld, for weather protection. > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 13:52:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16927; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12757; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12148; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22276; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:49:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202135305.0069e42c@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 2 Feb 1998 18:51:48 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:53:05 -0500 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: CB Radios Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34D60E73.E5145B71@mci.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:20 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >So Harry, >With this intercom, I take it you had a passenger with you at 110 mph? Yes. The sound was very clear, even with earplugs in, and the VOX worked flawlessly. The only problem was that the radio reception on the Walkman was not so great. Next time we'll use a CD Walkman for tunes. It's strange how music adds a whole new dimension to riding. Unfortunately, the intercom has nixed by tenancy to sing along. I have to admit that talking while riding is a strange experience. It is much nicer to be able to discuss things or tell your passenger that you're about to pass someone. At the same time, we found ourselves talking somewhat less than we do while in a car and simply enjoying the ride. ...... >I've been looking at something >reliable for the wife and I to talk bike-to-bike next summer on our bike >vacation. If you want the system to work, be prepared to empty your wallet and your child's college fund. The ideal setup for people who ride together frequently is an Autocom Eurocom hooked to the Motorola FM radio. For riding close together, a CB will do, plus you can talk to many other people out in the wilds. I was going for a CB since I don't know too many others with similar systems. However, that may be changing. In any event, you'll wind up coughing up about $400 per bike, plus another $200 for a pair of handheld CBs. J&M has a new product which allows you to hook a headset directly to a handheld CB - see: http://www.jmcorp.com/product/apHandle.htm For CB's, try http://www.bills2way.com/equip/handheld.html This might save a bit if you're trying to outfit 2 bikes, though the J&M headsets aren't cheap. However, based on what I've tried and read, if you buy anything other than Autocom or J&M, you'll basically be throwing your money away since none of the others (like Chatterbox, Maxxon, etc.) work reliably at normal (uh.. legal) speeds. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 15:01:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19607; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13509; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16464; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19677; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA12748 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:00:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA03773 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980202200034.FYVU6587@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:00:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:57 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lean Angles - The next X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980202200034.FYVU6587@[166.41.242.141]> Leon Wrote: >I'd really like to do this again. How about 4th of July in the Pentagon Parking >lot? We can ride and picnic in the afternoon and watch fireworks after dark. May I suggest we do this again in late April. Right around then, the hibernators will be coming out and will definitely need some practice. Also DC-Cycles will be riding the BRP to Deals Gap in May, and the practice wouldn't hurt. Finally, we could set up some other challenges like: - full on/panic braking - braking in corners - swerves - very slow riding (the one that takes the longest to finish course, wins), counting dabs. - slow and accurate riding (riding on a 2x4x16 board) A virtual MSF road course! Todd PS: Thanks Leon for taking the time and trouble to set this thing up. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 15:32:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20412; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14170; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17703; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from rothp ([198.27.17.48]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 99; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:31:34 -0500 Sender: arottier@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34D62D36.245@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:31:50 -0800 From: Amy Rottier X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: My "new" bike Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who are interested, here's what I bought: Even thought it's a little outre', and quite differently-styled, I actually like it alot (it'll take some getting used to sitting next to my friends' bikes...). It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. It's pearl white and grey. It only has 9700 miles, and I weaseled two helmets with it; and I think I got a great price. I really wanted an ST or Concours or BMW (R or K1100RT), or even the Triumph (but I'd rather have shaft). But this bike is great, too. It moves right out, is smooth, and I think I can last more than an hour at once on it. Once I decide I'm allowed to like it for itself, I know I will be very happy with it. TTFN, Amy -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Amy E. Rottier Donovan Platypus =) Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX Lockheed Martin Technical Operations 7474 Greenway Center Drive Suite 200 301-901-6020 (office) Greenbelt, MD 20770 301-901-6161 (fax) ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 16:06:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21754; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15377; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.CIRC.gwu.EDU by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19641; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (mpt@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15294; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mpt@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28962; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:05:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:05:59 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Tolocka To: Amy Rottier cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My "new" bike In-Reply-To: <34D62D36.245@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Amy: Congratulations! Great bike, big trunk. _aloha_ _Mike_ AMA#608333 1990 CB-1 _Keep the shiny side up_ On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Amy Rottier wrote: > For those who are interested, here's what I bought: > > Even thought it's a little outre', and quite differently-styled, I > actually like it alot (it'll take some getting used to sitting next to > my friends' bikes...). It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. It's > pearl white and grey. It only has 9700 miles, and I weaseled two > helmets with it; and I think I got a great price. I really wanted an ST > or Concours or BMW (R or K1100RT), or even the Triumph (but I'd rather > have shaft). But this bike is great, too. It moves right out, is > smooth, and I think I can last more than an hour at once on it. Once I > decide I'm allowed to like it for itself, I know I will be very happy > with it. > > TTFN, > Amy > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Amy E. Rottier Donovan Platypus =) > Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX > Lockheed Martin Technical Operations > 7474 Greenway Center Drive Suite 200 301-901-6020 (office) > Greenbelt, MD 20770 301-901-6161 (fax) > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 16:31:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22458; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16034; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from widgetworks.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20779; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from peter@localhost) by widgetworks.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA25092; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:31:31 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Johansson Message-Id: <199802022131.QAA25092@widgetworks.com> Subject: Re: My "new" bike To: Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX (Amy Rottier) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:31:31 -0500 (EST) Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34D62D36.245@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> from Amy Rottier at "Feb 2, 98 12:31:50 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy writes: > For those who are interested, here's what I bought: > > Even thought it's a little outre', and quite differently-styled, I > actually like it alot (it'll take some getting used to sitting next to > my friends' bikes...). It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. Underneath all that bodywork, though, the bike is surprisingly similar to your good ol' Shadow. I've always thought the PC800 was a wonderful mid-sized tourer and I'm surprised there aren't more of them on the road. My GF lusts after the R850/1100, but I think the PC800 is much more in line with her budget. > It's > pearl white and grey. It only has 9700 miles, and I weaseled two > helmets with it; and I think I got a great price. If you don't mind my asking, what did you pay for it? (you can reply via private e-mail if you'd rather...) > I really wanted an ST > or Concours or BMW (R or K1100RT), or even the Triumph (but I'd rather > have shaft). I've got a Triumph and I love it. But it's certainly not for those lacking in the inseam, though. Even with a 32" inseam, the Triumph felt *HUGE* when I first sat on it. I'm comfortable with it now but it's still a *big* bike. > But this bike is great, too. It moves right out, is > smooth, and I think I can last more than an hour at once on it. Once I > decide I'm allowed to like it for itself, I know I will be very happy > with it. Sounds like you need to take a weekend camping trip in West Virginia to truely appreciate the bike's qualities. I can recomend some great campsites and even greater roads... Peter Johansson peter@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 16:35:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22507; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16046; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20833; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA00746; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA25179; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:34:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980202213417.HJHF6587@XXXXXX>; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:34:17 -0500 Message-ID: <34D63BDA.21BCDD43@mci.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:34:18 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amy Rottier CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My "new" bike References: <34D62D36.245@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy, Congrats on the new bike! I've heard that if you carefully burp the trunk and saddlebags when you close it, food will stay fresh for days! :-) I'm kidding! Just had to harrass you a little... Enjoy the new ride, Dale (the Horkster) Amy Rottier wrote: > For those who are interested, here's what I bought: > > Even thought it's a little outre', and quite differently-styled, I > actually like it alot (it'll take some getting used to sitting next to > my friends' bikes...). It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. It's > pearl white and grey. It only has 9700 miles, and I weaseled two > helmets with it; and I think I got a great price. I really wanted an ST > or Concours or BMW (R or K1100RT), or even the Triumph (but I'd rather > have shaft). But this bike is great, too. It moves right out, is > smooth, and I think I can last more than an hour at once on it. Once I > decide I'm allowed to like it for itself, I know I will be very happy > with it. > > TTFN, > Amy > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Amy E. Rottier Donovan Platypus =) > Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX > Lockheed Martin Technical Operations > 7474 Greenway Center Drive Suite 200 301-901-6020 (office) > Greenbelt, MD 20770 301-901-6161 (fax) > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 16:36:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22535; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16056; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20877; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from rothp ([198.27.17.48]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 136; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:36:11 -0500 Sender: arottier@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34D63C5B.617A@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:36:27 -0800 From: Amy Rottier X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Johansson CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My "new" bike References: <199802022131.QAA25092@widgetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Johansson wrote: > > Amy writes: > > It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. > > Underneath all that bodywork, though, the bike is surprisingly similar > to your good ol' Shadow. Yes. It's actually a bored-out version of my husband's old bike! > My GF lusts after the R850/1100, but I think the PC800 > is much more in line with her budget. Tell her I know the problem exactly. Of course, I'm usually more willing to compromis... > Sounds like you need to take a weekend camping trip in West Virginia > to truely appreciate the bike's qualities. I can recomend some great > campsites and even greater roads... Amen on that score! Send 'em on!! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Amy E. Rottier Donovan Platypus =) Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX Lockheed Martin Technical Operations 7474 Greenway Center Drive Suite 200 301-901-6020 (office) Greenbelt, MD 20770 301-901-6161 (fax) ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 16:49:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22831; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16182; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21245; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from rothp ([198.27.17.48]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 305; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:48:39 -0500 Sender: arottier@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34D63F47.82F@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:48:55 -0800 From: Amy Rottier X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My "new" bike References: <34D62D36.245@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> <34D63BDA.21BCDD43@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And did you know the thing has a car-like trunk release lever, and an hydraulic lifter for the trunk lid? Blew my little mind away. Now all I need is my plug-in massager for the seat, a little cup-holder, radio and CB, and I'll be touring with the Big Wings... ;P Amy Dale Horstman wrote: > > Amy, > > Congrats on the new bike! I've heard that if you carefully > burp the trunk and saddlebags when you close it, food will > stay fresh for days! :-) > > I'm kidding! Just had to harrass you a little... > > Enjoy the new ride, > > Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 17:04:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23308; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16567; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21977; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA03191 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: <34D6429B.FC1256EF@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:03:07 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: 500 Shadow in Bowie $1100/obo References: <199801290000.TAA09149@tove.cs.umd.edu> <34D5FF05.21A2@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So don't keep us in suspense, what is it that's bigger than a Shadow 500? Leon. Amy Rottier wrote: > Howdy! > > I bought myself a bigger bike this weekend. Now up for grabs: > > 1983 Honda Shadow 500cc > 29k miles > windshield > leather side bags > maroon-y color > extra after-market pipes (stock on bike) > > It's a great starter bike for someone. It's been 7 years and I'm due a > bigger one for myself. Otherwise, I still love the thing. > > Thanks, > Amy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 17:18:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23652; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16875; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22451; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA03651; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:18:27 -0500 Message-ID: <34D645F1.39A705F1@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:17:21 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CB Radios References: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use a Radio Shack hand-held CB with weather band. It's been on the bike since June, and even in the rain it works well. It's part of the J&M Personal Audio Pak. The things I don't like about it are: 1) the knobs and buttons are too small to work with heavy gloves on. 2) the light doesn't stay on long enough (when I can find the tiny button in the dark) 3) Weatherband has a very small coverage area - but I don't think that's a problem with the radio Costs for the system are as follows: Radio about $130 J&M Audio Pak $129.95 Helmet speaker system $109.95 - $189.95 (for J&M systems) No-ground plane CB antenna $39.95 at Radio Shack. CBs for bikes ain't cheap. This system works almost as well as the $49.95 car CB (with antenna included) that you can get from Walmart. Leon. Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > Does anyone know a good local shop for buying a CB radio? Having tested > it yesterday up to about 110 mph, the Autocom system worked so well I'm > tempted to hook it up for bike-to-bike communication. I think the ideal > one would be a "marine"-style handheld, for weather protection. > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 17:25:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23782; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:25:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17092; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22670; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22548; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA13667 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:25:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from wbg-va3-18.ix.netcom.com(205.184.195.114) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013584; Mon Feb 2 16:24:48 1998 X-Sender: dwkaiser@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:27:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: David & Michele DeJong Kaiser Subject: Re: Lean Angles Well I enjoyed it a lot. I was on a grocery run with my '95 Concours, and remembered that y'all were doing this (I showed up on Saturday). Ran the large circles for a while. Louis and I ended up chasing each other around. I learned that he can push his Connie a little faster than I was willing to push mine. Must be because I still had the bags on it. Yeah, that's it. I could only stay for about 45 minutes but I enjoyed it. Managed to load a gallon of milk, a 12pack of coke, a pack of diapers, and a bunch of bananas into those bags on the way home. David W. Kaiser, 1Lt, USAF - What I say will probably be totally ignored by the Air Force so there's no way it's official, '95 Concours From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 17:28:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23824; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17186; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22755; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA04105; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:28:36 -0500 Message-ID: <34D64843.791367F1@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:27:15 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Subject: Re: CB Radios References: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> <34D60E73.E5145B71@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale, In your case the Maxxon or other 49cc units would probably be enough. You can't talk at high speeds, the range is poor and you can only talk to others that you've arranged in advance to have the same system or once in a while a baby monitor. But they are only $50 per unit. Oh, they're also annoying to hook up and use. But, I suspect you could put up with a lot of those problems rather than spend $300+ per bike. Leon. Dale Horstman wrote: > So Harry, > > With this intercom, I take it you had a passenger with you at 110 mph? = 8 - > o > > How good does the reception have to be to hear 'AAAAUUUUUGGHHHHH! > SLOWDOWNSLOWDOWNSLOWDOWNSLOWDOWN!!!!' > clearly? (just kidding! :-) > > By 'marine' I presume you meant watercraft and not soldiers with guns, right? > > I'm sort of interested in what you end up with. I've been looking at > something > reliable for the wife and I to talk bike-to-bike next summer on our bike > vacation. > Of course, most good systems cost in the neighborhood of what I spend on > motorcycles, > so I think we'll just end up doing lots of yelling and hand signalling this > time around. > > Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > > > Does anyone know a good local shop for buying a CB radio? Having tested > > it yesterday up to about 110 mph, the Autocom system worked so well I'm > > tempted to hook it up for bike-to-bike communication. I think the ideal > > one would be a "marine"-style handheld, for weather protection. > > > > Harry > > Bethesda, MD > > '97 BMW R1100RT > > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > > "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 17:58:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24681; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17919; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23843; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA05075; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:57:47 -0500 Message-ID: <34D64F2B.2AD5FE5B@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:56:43 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Tolocka CC: Amy Rottier , balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My "new" bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree, nice bike. The PC has always been on my wish list of bikes to get if money is a minor concern, rather than the over-riding factor. If that trunk ever gets too small, I can show you how to improve on your luggage capacity. My Ninja carries a 24 gallon luggage box. Leon. Michael Tolocka wrote: > Amy: > > Congratulations! Great bike, big trunk. > > _aloha_ > > _Mike_ > AMA#608333 > 1990 CB-1 > _Keep the shiny side up_ > > On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Amy Rottier wrote: > > > For those who are interested, here's what I bought: > > > > Even thought it's a little outre', and quite differently-styled, I > > actually like it alot (it'll take some getting used to sitting next to > > my friends' bikes...). It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. It's > > pearl white and grey. It only has 9700 miles, and I weaseled two > > helmets with it; and I think I got a great price. I really wanted an ST > > or Concours or BMW (R or K1100RT), or even the Triumph (but I'd rather > > have shaft). But this bike is great, too. It moves right out, is > > smooth, and I think I can last more than an hour at once on it. Once I > > decide I'm allowed to like it for itself, I know I will be very happy > > with it. > > > > TTFN, > > Amy > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Amy E. Rottier Donovan Platypus =) > > Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX > > Lockheed Martin Technical Operations > > 7474 Greenway Center Drive Suite 200 301-901-6020 (office) > > Greenbelt, MD 20770 301-901-6161 (fax) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 18:17:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25149; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18417; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24545; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-36-110.s110.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.110]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27884 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:21:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D65429.1462B131@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:18:02 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: CB Radios References: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> <34D60E73.E5145B71@mci.com> <34D64843.791367F1@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ya know, I'm not gonna knock the Autocomm's or the others, but gimme a break, $400!!!! THat's ludicrous. And as for the maxon's, which I have, they make two different models that are good for bikes. The one that has been mentioned that is so so at speed is the boom mic model. It's ok to about 70 mph depending on how well the helmet keeps out wind noise. The other model uses an earphone mic/speaker. It is crystal clear to speeds reaching plaid (spaceballs movie if ya didn't get the joke)...I've used it into triple digits with effortless speaking and hearing....and it only costs $50 or so. As for range, they're good for between an 1/8 to 1/4 mile. How often are you ever farther than that from your riding partners???? Ok, so you can't tie in the radio and you don't get super stereo sound, but you do get very effective communications for 1/10th the price...some of us need that extra cash for tires...Or you could spend the extra cash on a cd player to mount as has already been described by Brian and Chris among others, an electric vest, and ..well, you get the drift... As for usefulness, most of the communicators you'll run across with others using them are 49 Mhz (chatterbox, Maxxon, most Nady, etc.) There are a few 900Mhz units out there, but the price starts to climb on them and about all you get is a little more range. As for CB's, I've seen some Uniden models and others like them that are 3 inches wide, 3/4 inch thick, and like 6 or so deep that can easily be mounted in numerous locations even on a sport bike. All you have to do is find a decent headset to go onto it rather than using the traditional mic that they come with. Any good CB shop should have these relatively cheap. Collin (who's a cheap SOB) he he he _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 18:25:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25311; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18505; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24820; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-36-110.s110.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.110]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02031; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:29:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D65604.4E48030B@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:25:57 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Baltimore International Motorcycle Show References: <3c27f217.34d5c04f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just for those that don't know, This is NOT the true international motorcycle show that travels the country (like the one a lot of listers hit in NYC a few weeks back). I've heard it's still a pretty decent show though, just not as big as the "real" show... Collin (I noticed balt cycles did a nice little silent domain switch :) good to see it working smoothly) BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > Heres the goods > Ride Free! > Steel Trap > > Baltimore International Motorcycle show > Baltimore Convention Center > February 13th, 14th, 15th > Friday, 6pm till midnight > Saturday, 10am till 10pm > Sunday, 10am till 6pm > Take I95 to I395 exit, then to Conway Street to the Convention Center > > New motorcycle dealer and ATV displays > New stock and custom accessories > Big discounts (buy at the show) > Custom bike show--trophies for 13 classes > Antigue and vintage motorcycle show > Various other displays > $1.00 off general admission for ABATE and AMA members > advance discount tickets call (301) 808-2233 > > The International Motorcycle Show is searching for contestants in the > > MISS INTERNATIONAL MOTORCYCLE SHOW COMPETITION > AND MOTORCYCLE ART SHOW COMPETITION > all forms and photos must be submitted by February 8th > I have most of the detail, email me if your interested > or call (301) 808-2233 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: International motorcycle show > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:02:32 EST > From: Biker536@XXXXXX > Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) > To: AAABATE@XXXXXX, AbateBalto@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, AMLP311@XXXXXX, > ArJay96@XXXXXX, Bain8@XXXXXX, BANANABUF@XXXXXX, BCFD126@XXXXXX, > BigDog1212@XXXXXX, BIKER5569@XXXXXX, BillCBMWMC@XXXXXX, > Bkrbill13x@XXXXXX, BkrFamily@XXXXXX, BKRTRASH@XXXXXX, > BlackcatU2@XXXXXX, Blue72FLH@XXXXXX, Boyclyde@XXXXXX, > BROSCLUB1@XXXXXX, BULL208@XXXXXX > > Baltimore International Motorcycle show > Baltimore Convention Center > February 13th, 14th, 15th > Friday, 6pm till midnight > Saturday, 10am till 10pm > Sunday, 10am till 6pm > Take I95 to I395 exit, then to Conway Street to the Convention Center > > New motorcycle dealer and ATV displays > New stock and custom accessories > Big discounts (buy at the show) > Custom bike show--trophies for 13 classes > Antigue and vintage motorcycle show > Various other displays > $1.00 off general admission for ABATE and AMA members > advance discount tickets call (301) 808-2233 > > The International Motorcycle Show is searching for contestants in the > > MISS INTERNATIONAL MOTORCYCLE SHOW COMPETITION > AND MOTORCYCLE ART SHOW COMPETITION > all forms and photos must be submitted by February 8th > I have most of the detail, email me if your interested > or call (301) 808-2233 -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 18:25:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25316; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18509; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from widgetworks.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24824; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from peter@localhost) by widgetworks.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA25743; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:15 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Johansson Message-Id: <199802022325.SAA25743@widgetworks.com> Subject: West VA trips, roads, and camping info To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:15 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems as if many ears were tickled when I mentioned West VA riding info, and I thought I could get away with re-posting my trip reports. Unfortunately, I expected them to be archived by my list archiving software and it seems as if I happened to post them when the software was broken. :( If anyone happened to save it, *please* mail it to me or to the balt-cycles list (I'm not on DC cycles.) I *promise* to recap my trip notes and routes, but I'll need to dig out my maps and what-not, as well as scratch some of the dark areas of my brain. Peter Johansson peter@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 18:33:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25444; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18724; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25025; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-36-110.s110.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.110]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06707 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:37:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D657ED.4F4B131D@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:34:05 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: parking lot play Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boy, that shiny red ZX-9R looks perty sittin on top of my new 21" monitor at work...now I just need to paint it blue and white and call it a suzuki... and in real small letters write 26.38 on the windscreen like the drag racers do :) As those of us that showed up this weekend discussed, I'm officially razzing Marcy for not showing up :) Geez...Birthday party till 5am...some people will come up with any excuse he he he... Just kidding.. Happy B-day. Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 18:57:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25814; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18929; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25433; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:57:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA15874 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:24:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:24:06 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: this sucks.. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980202082940.00965b40@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's not going to be fixed.. at least not by me. The whole crankcase on the left side shattered - lots of guesses as to why, but I bet age, temp, and vibration did a lot of the damage. I'm parting the thing out for a month, then everything's going to salvage. On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > > Any idea if fixing your old bike is feasible? > > Speaking as a garage-less rider myself, I gotta say it's lousy to work on > your bike in the winter. Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - Next? (street) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) 83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 19:19:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26019; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19169; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25867; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA07705; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:20:13 -0500 Message-ID: <34D66279.2FBB85BB@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:19:05 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amy Rottier , dc-cycles Subject: Re: My "new" bike References: <34D64F2B.2AD5FE5B@illuminet.net> <34D65379.21B6@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy Rottier took the bait and asked: > I've got the GiVi catalog, and have seen some great pics on the web of > folks who have it installed. I think that'll be a must before our > cross-country ride next year (spring '99). > > What do you have going? Luggage-box-wise, that is? Rubbermaid makes the finest in inexpensive motorcycle luggage. The 24 gallon box on mine cost about $20. The 8 gallon version is about $15. Here are a couple of pictures of it on my SilverWing - I just moved it over to the Ninja when I got the new bike. http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/jdbike4.jpg http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/jdbike5.jpg http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/crotona2.jpg - before it got that great paint job. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 19:47:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26351; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19302; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26351; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA01149; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:46:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from vna-va12-36.ix.netcom.com(207.223.178.100) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000265; Mon Feb 2 18:36:40 1998 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34D66279.2FBB85BB@illuminet.net> References: <34D64F2B.2AD5FE5B@XXXXXX> <34D65379.21B6@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:39:44 -0400 To: Leon Begeman From: David & Michele DeJong Kaiser Subject: John Deer Cycles Cc: dc-cycles the >Ninja when I got the new bike. >http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/jdbike4.jpg >http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/jdbike5.jpg >http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/crotona2.jpg - before it got that great >paint job. > >Leon. So what's the story on the John Deer bikes. I remember being passed by one near the Pentagon about 4 months ago. Then I saw one at the circles on Sat., and now here's another one. Are they all yours? How many are there? ... and of course why?... David W. Kaiser, 1Lt, USAF - What I say will probably be totally ignored by the Air Force so there's no way it's official, '95 Concours From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 20:16:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26719; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19492; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26868; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA09437; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:16:36 -0500 Message-ID: <34D66FB3.D8CDE30E@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 20:15:31 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David & Michele DeJong Kaiser CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: John Deere Cycles References: <34D64F2B.2AD5FE5B@XXXXXX> <34D65379.21B6@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is currently only one John Deere bike - I gave the one in the pictures away Thanksgiving weekend. Although there have been rumors of a Harley somewhere in NC painted that way. Mine was the one at the circles Saturday. It consists mostly of Ninja 250 parts. Both of the John Deere bikes I've ever seen were mine. The first one got painted because the SilverWing needed paint (http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider/crotona2.jpg) and I always thought that the handling and temperment of that bike was very similar to the 720 Diesel that Dad had. Plus John Deere had just announced that they were going to sponsor Chad Little in NASCAR. After the first one got painted that way, I got so many great comments over the CB that I did the Ninja in that livery as soon as I bought it. I'm considering a Connie next, maybe I can get a good deal on getting 2 of them painted. ;-) Leon. David & Michele DeJong Kaiser wrote: > So what's the story on the John Deer bikes. I remember being passed by one > near the Pentagon about 4 months ago. Then I saw one at the circles on > Sat., and now here's another one. > > Are they all yours? How many are there? ... and of course why?... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 20:46:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27089; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19709; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27595; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:45:56 -0500 (EST) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: from Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id 1FMFa14469 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:45:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:45:26 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Maryland Roads Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 A while ago, I posted to this list and said there were plenty of good roads in Maryland. Someone (sorry, can't remember who) asked that I give them some information on those roads. Then, my pc crashed and I lost that message. I have since unsubscribed, but am willing to share some of the rides I've been on if anyone is interested. E-mail me at lgvxlh883@XXXXXX or lisav@XXXXXX and I will go through my file of LadyRider rides to find those roads. Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 21:14:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27451; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19885; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28098; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.180] (unverified [207.226.128.180]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:19:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 21:14:10 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Did they have a 'Molten Orange' S1 w/blue frame and wheels?Was it >as ugly in person as I thought it would be? Yes and yes. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 21:14:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27454; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19889; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28103; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.180] (unverified [207.226.128.180]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:19:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 21:14:12 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Michael P. Tolocka" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>BMW: An R1100 or R1200S is confirmed. Supposed to be introduced along >>with a K1200RT at the Intermot show next fall. > >R1100S? What niche does this bike fill? More sport oriented than the RS. Think Honda Superhawk. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 22:19:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00229; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20259; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29129; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13901; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:19:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13882; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:18:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802030318.WAA13882@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Lean Angles To: dwkaiser@XXXXXX (David & Michele DeJong Kaiser) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:18:43 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "David & Michele DeJong Kaiser" at Feb 2, 98 05:27:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Well I enjoyed it a lot. I was on a grocery run with my '95 Concours, and > remembered that y'all were doing this (I showed up on Saturday). Ran the > large circles for a while. Louis and I ended up chasing each other around. > I learned that he can push his Connie a little faster than I was willing to > push mine. Must be because I still had the bags on it. Yeah, that's it. I was also there doing the circles (large and small) for an hour before you showed up, so I had a lot of practice getting my speed up. Except for the COG ride in Fredricksburg, it's the first time I've seen another Connie on the street (or parking lot in this case) in a while. Another plus for getting the turning practice is on Sunday I went for a ride with a friend on a Ninja. While he still beat the pants off of me on the really cool road, I did manage to ride it a little harder than I would have last weekend. Have to add more air pressure to the rear shock next time! (Mr. Bill, you still on? Randy showed me that road by the Naval Ordanice center! Coolness!) > I could only stay for about 45 minutes but I enjoyed it. Managed to load a > gallon of milk, a 12pack of coke, a pack of diapers, and a bunch of bananas > into those bags on the way home. Hope you didn't open those cokes for a while... Yee-ha!!! Just figured out that I'm getting a nice refund from Uncle Sam!! Which should I get... GiVi bags... Russell saddle... Darien suit.... Choices choices! :-) Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 22:52:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01873; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20407; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29656; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-165.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.165]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id WAA05323; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:52:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202222051.00cfd4f8@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:20:51 -0500 To: Leon Begeman , "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: CB Radios Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34D645F1.39A705F1@illuminet.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Do either of you have any more info on the J&M stuff (phone, web)? I tried the chatterbox, and was thoroughly underwhelmed. At this point, I'd love to get just some speakers I could actually hear. Thanks in advance, MET At 05:17 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Leon Begeman wrote: >I use a Radio Shack hand-held CB with weather band. It's been on the bike >since June, and even in the rain it works well. It's part of the J&M Personal >Audio Pak. The things I don't like about it are: >1) the knobs and buttons are too small to work with heavy gloves on. >2) the light doesn't stay on long enough (when I can find the tiny button in >the dark) >3) Weatherband has a very small coverage area - but I don't think that's a >problem with the radio > >Costs for the system are as follows: >Radio about $130 >J&M Audio Pak $129.95 >Helmet speaker system $109.95 - $189.95 (for J&M systems) >No-ground plane CB antenna $39.95 at Radio Shack. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 23:14:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02916; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20604; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29958; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA07813; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:11:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202231537.006a157c@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 3 Feb 1998 04:14:19 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:15:37 -0500 To: "Mark E. Truelove" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Bass Monsters, was Re: CB Radios Cc: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980202222051.00cfd4f8@postoffice.bellatlantic.n et> References: <34D645F1.39A705F1@illuminet.net> <3.0.1.32.19980202125339.006a25b8@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:20 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Mark E. Truelove wrote: >Do either of you have any more info on the J&M stuff (phone, web)? I tried >the chatterbox, and was thoroughly underwhelmed. At this point, I'd love >to get just some speakers I could actually hear. Mark, The two best are Autocom (http://www.autocom.co.uk/) and J&M (http://www.jmcorp.com). I wound up with the Autocom Eurocom, for reasons I'd be happy to write you about. Either one will work well, though they will both set you back plenty. Still, having used mine, it's clear they are worth it. However, if you ONLY WANT TO LISTEN TO MUSIC (i.e., no intercom, no bike to bike, etc.), consider getting a pair of Bass Monsters. They are advertised in most moto mags for, I think, under $50. They are basically walkman speakers you stuff in your helmet. Just a thought. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 23:36:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03950; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20731; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00287; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.109] (unverified [207.226.128.109]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:41:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: My "new" bike Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 23:35:53 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Amy Rottier" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Even thought it's a little outre', and quite differently-styled, I >actually like it alot (it'll take some getting used to sitting next to >my friends' bikes...). It's the Pacific Coast; 1989 Honda PC800. It's >pearl white and grey. It only has 9700 miles, and I weaseled two >helmets with it; and I think I got a great price. I really wanted an ST >or Concours or BMW (R or K1100RT), or even the Triumph (but I'd rather >have shaft). But this bike is great, too. It moves right out, is >smooth, and I think I can last more than an hour at once on it. Once I >decide I'm allowed to like it for itself, I know I will be very happy >with it. Weird. My father has a female patient who was just talking about getting a PC800. Coincidence, or conspiracy? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 23:36:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03955; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20736; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00294; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.109] (unverified [207.226.128.109]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:41:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Newbie Drops Bike... Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 23:35:56 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >As some of you know, I'd been pretty proud that it took me 5 months to >finally drop my bike the first time (of course, though it HAD to be in >front of someone!!) I dropped mine the first day (well, second day, but first time I was gonna ride it). Pulling out of the garage into the wash of pea gravel that we refer to as a driveway. Dropped it the second time picking it up from the first drop (should I ever drop a bike again, I will NOT forget to put the side stand down before picking it up:) Dropped the BMW once. In the garage where I was about to get the bike inspected. After that, I decided the order is this: 1) turn off bike 2) put down sidestand 3) get off bike 4) put on mainstand 5) put up sidestand Do not skip step 2. I did it once or twice successfully, but the third time was the charm:) Lucky I had case guards. (Have 'em on the Kawasaki also, but got them a bit too late:( -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 23:36:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03961; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20746; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00300; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.109] (unverified [207.226.128.109]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:41:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: My "new" bike Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 23:36:02 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Peter Johansson" , "Amy Rottier" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >My GF lusts after the R850/1100, but I think the PC800 >is much more in line with her budget. Sounds like a smart woman:) Did you know you can get an R850RT in many parts of Europe? I'm jealous. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 23:41:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04204; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20815; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from visuallink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00417; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from visuallink.com (ppp94.visuallink.com [206.151.68.74]) by visuallink.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA08502; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:40:15 -0500 Message-ID: <34D6BDE4.BBDE8950@visuallink.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:49:09 -0800 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ST1100 List CC: VFR List , Nighthawk List , Honda Sport Touring Association , DC-Cycles List , Concours Owners Group Subject: [Fwd: WHY I RIDE or FIND YOUR ROAD] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A7AF1809DEC81CF3D17266E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A7AF1809DEC81CF3D17266E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all, After reading this, through moist eyes . . . a quiet "yeah." Enjoy. -- Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) mailto:ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (RIP) AMA # 487634 International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 29 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html ICQ at http://wwp.mirabilis.com/3136585 --------------A7AF1809DEC81CF3D17266E0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: robbeach@XXXXXX Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by visuallink.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA22708 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:57:09 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA18780; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:09:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802022209.RAA18780@buffnet4.buffnet.net> Received: from buffnet9.buffnet.net(205.246.19.19) by buffnet4.buffnet.net via smap (V2.0) id xma018767; Mon, 2 Feb 98 17:08:53 -0500 Received: from dppp68.buffnet.net(205.246.19.247) by buffnet9.buffnet.net via smap (V2.0) id xmad02637; Mon, 2 Feb 98 17:07:16 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Rob Beach To: "An Update from Beach's MCA" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:10:16 +5 X-Distribution: Bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: WHY I RIDE or FIND YOUR ROAD Reply-to: bma@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) This was sent to me by John Hoge, one of our European tour members. I like it, and pass it on to you for reflection. ================================== WHY I RIDE or FIND YOUR ROAD It all began simply. Early one morning, in the office hallway, one of my co- workers, coffee mug in hand, rather curiously asked me why I ride motorcycles. Somehow I thought I could produce the answer immediately; because it is amongst the most delightful experiences of my life; I ought to be able to explain it to anybody- but I stalled. It sounded too much like having been asked why do you live, or why do you love? The answer is too fundamentally obvious and instinctively human to necessitate explanation. Riding motorcycles over the years has been such a passion for me, some say bordering on obsession, yet I had never seen a reason to sit down and put my thoughts and feelings into words. Now I suddenly feel I have so much to say. But I found myself balking. Maybe what is so great a feeling, is not so easy to describe. Instead I found myself wanting to say something concise like, "Well its obvious, like, no duh!" An explanation may start somewhere like - It's about living and loving. It's about love, life, nature, mankind, and their' interplay; that which creates the yearning for spiritual satisfaction in all of us. We almost all start as passengers, and sometimes it happens instantly. You fall in love with the freedom of movement, the feel of the road, the force of the wind, the smells- your total physical and spiritual oneness with nature. Some don't make the connection immediately often because of the inherent associated dangers, and abandon further riding temporarily or permanently. For those of us who return, those who are searching for that certain feeling, the one that drives to want to re-experience that sensation again and again; there are wonderful roads that lie ahead. Anyone who has witnessed Hollywood portray bikers in films like "The Wild One" or any other macho representation of "Bikers" and their ways, automatically assumes that biking is exclusively about looking tough and being threatening, guzzling neat Tequila, and riding fast, real fast. That stereotype defines a minority, and it has more to do with vanity, than riding. Posers are everywhere; they'll spend more time off their bikes in bars, malls, and parking lots, than riding their machines. In my experience most riders have another perspective that is seldom represented. It has become very clear to me that serious motorcycle enthusiasts are individuals who are not run of the mill. They are nonconformists, they tend to have strong dreams and aspirations, and are emotional, fervent folk. While some of these qualities are somewhat abreast with the Biker stereotype, they fall short in one significant way; many bikers are also sensitive, passionate people. They are individuals not because they are motorcyclists, but they are motorcyclists who are individuals. Maybe identifying some of these qualities to casual observers is difficult because of the hindering facade of protective hardware; but closer examination will inevitably reveal their love for life. Motorcyclists are drawn to their pastime by their sense of adventure, their love of life and their respect for the world and its contents. This facade, however, has created a negative image of motorcyclists as insensitive, leather clad tyrants which is unfortunate. Riders frequently encounter other riders on desolate roads, in gas stations, in far away towns, states and countries, and always seem to find an immediate common bond. I believe that it is our search for inner peace, and our zeal to explore the outer and inner worlds to find meaning to life (and not our bikes, leather, or Kevlar) that unites us. The equipment and apparel are only the means of transportation and transformation irrespective of our age, color, and socio-economics, etc. That "common bond" transcends our means of arrival at that time and location. The group I often ride with is composed of Orientals, African-americans, Iranians, Latinos, Brazilians, and Ohioans! These are the true "United Colors", not of Benetton, but those of Kawasaki, Ducati, Honda, BMW, Harley-Davidson... Some time ago, I took a new acquaintance who had experienced an interest in riding as my passenger for a group ride with four other riders. The ride included several days of fast and hard scenic riding, carving through Maryland's finest "twisties". In an attempt to get to know me better she asked me what I did for spiritual satisfaction. We were so engulfed in the answer, I thought she was joking. We were alone, in the middle of a national forest on a cool morning with leaves in full peak of their fiery transformation, colors so rich they would astound you with sheer brilliance. There were waterfalls around us, and asphalt was being churned below; continuous quick lefts, hard right turns. Sunlight over the horizon line was glaring in my eyes as I rode the crests in rapid succession. We were moving, and beginning to dissociate with the present. The only reminder of the perceived reality was the hum of mufflers, and taste of the next bike's exhaust dissolving on my lips; hinting the pseudo-reality of the present. In my haste I assumed we had spontaneously connected on a deep, personal level, and this manner of questioning was her humorous display of "Eureka, I see what it's all about now!" Alas my joy was short lived. Upon further inquiry it became apparent that I was seriously mistaken, all she wanted to know was if I did anything more mature! The point is that some people just don't and won't get it. To many, motorcycling is just a hobby, a short term satisfaction at best. These "Fair Weather" motorcylists accumulate 1-2000 miles per year on their equipment on occasional sunny afternoons, and think little else can be obtained from that mass of metal, plastic, and rubber. Others may have never wanted to ride, or may have even tried riding once; didn't enjoy it, and could all do without the rest of us who do. These people are usually only impressed by the object and it's form, physical properties and attributes. What they fail to appreciate is the experience of getting in touch with their own inner self, where within they may find lurking some remnants of their humanity. As one gains more experience in riding, functions such as shifting gears, looking at instruments, studying the curve of the next turn, flicking into "twisties", countersteering, weight shifting, other traffic, and the road surface begin to resemble your bodies' autonomic nervous system. This is the system that automatically controls your metabolism and homeostasis without your direct awareness, such as your heart rate, or your digestive system. This leaves you a lot of time to become engulfed in nature and absorb all that is around you. While joy rides and quick trips around town, or to the beach serve the transportation functions rather well (let's face it is a vehicle after all), they are altogether different from the spiritual association. The transformation from joy rider to transcendental biker, however, only happens when you go out for several days, on lonely scenic roads; certainly off the Interstate highway system. Spending time just riding, no conversation; hours on end spent riding, absorbing and reflecting, man, machine and nature simultaneously. Comparison with a car is completely irrelevant. In a car your field of vision is limited, the car's four wheels and suspension remove any feedback from the texture and feel of the road. The driver and the other occupants are completely oblivious to subtle changes in humidity, temperature, and odors. In short, there are substantial barriers preventing both the physical and spiritual connection, and the car never becomes an extension of your body and soul. Subsequently, in riders jargon motorcars are referred to as "the Cage". Distancing yourself from mundane function, laborious tasks and effort are the key ingredients for disassociation. You need to become automatic in your functions, when you need less time to think, relate and synthesize, you make a small step towards this symbolic liberation. Additionally, when at all possible, it is almost critical to remove stimulus by other people or signs of civilization from your range of vision, unless you are with a pack of riders that you are comfortable and familiar with. With practice and time spent on long trips, preferably alone, or during long periods of riding in remote areas, you begin to develop the ability to disassociate more and more. I know this will get me in trouble, and it may sound strange and unsafe, but during certain conditions, by not concentrating you can become a better rider. The physical laws that govern turning a two wheeled vehicle and (the resultant opposite reaction of) countersteering, require you to change numerous variables by shifting your posture and your weight, in order to make the dynamic balances equate. Yet all these movements become automatic with experience. You are left with a lot of time to absorb again. So seek natural beauty and serenity in your surroundings, find exotic roads and landscapes and lose yourself in them, only to find oneness with the air, the wind and nature in its entirety. These observations have led several people that I know who are also pilots, to compare a lot of the physical and spiritual sensations associated with riding to the ultimate freedom of motion- that of flight. These subjects as they relate to flying have been beautifully explored by Richard Bach in several of his books including, Jonathan Livingston Seagull, and Illusions. For me Sport-touring is what brings out the magic. It is how the mind experiences the physical laws of Newtonian motion, which become transcribed at a spiritual level. The physics of the movement can be scientifically demonstrated by various equations involving mass, gravity, acceleration, and numerous other forces and their opposing reactions. Human emotions however can transform them to a purely transcendental experience- a quantum leap, beyond Newtonian Physics as it were. For me this usually begins to happen on the second or third day of a tour, usually on a beautiful desolate forested road, around a corner with little or no signs of mankind around, it could be anywhere; Tahoe and Big Sur, CA; Taos and Santa Fe, NM; most of West Virginia; and Asheville, NC, to name a few. My sleeping bag and tent bungeed tightly behind the small of my back, riding along endless new roads, saturated in deja-vu, I shift gears to find the lower edge of that power source on tap and lean hard on the sport bike as I begin to flick man, machine and equipment into a "twistie". My usual powerband-induced adrenaline rush and exhilaration turn comfortable, a familiar euphoric warmth. I begin to feel inner peace with such intensity I begin to smile, it is a little like being in love. Moments like these, and there are plenty, humble me and behoove me to be awe struck by the power of life. These moments altogether abate my day-to-day concerns and anxieties, they become dwarfed in the passion, and the exhilaration of joy. You become a little cleaner, younger, and brighter. I can't help but be reminded by a strong force of man's potential, his capacity for loving and living and how little of it we use in our daily lives. How I yearn to metaphorically bottle these sensations to take home, to share with others and to rehabilitate myself when I forget. I have learned that I can't. I can only remember that it feels rather wonderful. One thing is for sure, mankind can recall pain more easily than joy, so I ride often and I ride far and I always feel good afterwards- sometimes for days. The need to experience this exhilaration of life will never cease. If it is addictive, I prescribe a solid dose to all those around, knowing full well the addiction, the craving, and the cure. One and the same, the remedy can always be found around the next corner. Most critical decisions of my life, those that have required deep reflection, have been made on motorcycles on desolate roads. The time necessary to reflect, ponder, dream and mentally experiment are so abundant when I ride that to me there is never a better place to think than the time I spend out there on the road. When I get to work in the morning; after one of my frequent jaunts, my co- workers usually ask me what I did. I tell them, " I just rode and it was wonderful". Habitually my run will be acknowledged and then someone will begin the discussion about the latest sports results, and the focus shifts away. My emotions about motorcycling are at times difficult to express to non-riders, especially over their first cup of Java- but I really wish I knew how. by: Farrokh Jahandari =========================================== Rob Beach Beach's Motorcycle Adventures, Ltd. 2763 West River Parkway Grand Island, NY 14072-2053 Tele: 716-773-4960 Fax: 716-773-5227 e-mail: bma@XXXXXX WWW: http://bma.buffnet.net --------------A7AF1809DEC81CF3D17266E0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 2 23:48:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04611; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20873; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00544; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.129] (unverified [207.226.128.129]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:53:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lean Angles Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 23:47:46 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: "DC-Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Yee-ha!!! Just figured out that I'm getting a nice refund from Uncle Sam!! >Which should I get... GiVi bags... Russell saddle... Darien suit.... >Choices choices! :-) Was just making the same choice myself. Think I'll go for the BMW System Panniers. Or a Shoei Duo-tec helmet. Or, if the state return is big enough (don't have a copy of the tables for Md. Anybody know if they are online?) I might have to think more seriously about the Darien 2-piece. -George ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 02:41:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA13051; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22383; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02900; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA21290; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:35:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:30:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34D5B9EC.D3023209@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > Battley's has one of the molten orange color or whatever it's called (or > at least I'm guessing that orange monstrosity was one of em). It was > "different". That's about all that can be said for it. Wot's up with them and fugly bikes?They have also had a (whatever) green T509,a mint green K100,a piss yellow K75,and a black Bimota Tesi(it wasn't a proper gloss black,can't describe it). Or are they an outlet dealer? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 02:47:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA13295; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22426; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02943; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA21322; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:42:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:35:39 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: My "new" bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, George Howell wrote: > Weird. My father has a female patient who was just talking about getting > a PC800. Coincidence, or conspiracy? Hmmm...Moto Online just did an article on the PC.And they recently had a female journalist. Maybe something in the design is attracting females.We should look into this. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 08:19:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19140; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25630; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06211; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA22748 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD307C.5185C0C0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:18:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Michael P. Tolocka'" , "'DC Cycles'" , "'George Howell'" Subject: RE: Cleveland CW Bike Show Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:18:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, February 02, 1998 9:14 PM >To: Michael P. Tolocka; DC Cycles >Subject: Re: Cleveland CW Bike Show > >>>BMW: An R1100 or R1200S is confirmed. Supposed to be introduced along >>>with a K1200RT at the Intermot show next fall. >> >>R1100S? What niche does this bike fill? > >More sport oriented than the RS. Think Honda Superhawk. > I think your BMW assimilation is now complete. :-) Don't think new Superhawk ... think GPZ1100 or FJ1200 in terms of ergonomics. Granted the RS _is_ a twin, but that's about all it has in common with the superhawk. Don't expect the handling or performance that the superhawk gives. FWIW, I like the new RS and am actually considering one, but ... let's be realistic here ... Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 08:48:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19525; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25953; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06781; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA15699; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA30867; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980203134711.QULZ452@XXXXXX>; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:47:11 -0600 Message-ID: <34D71FDF.6E65010F@mci.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:47:11 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Michael Tolocka , Amy Rottier , balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bikes and Luggage References: <34D64F2B.2AD5FE5B@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > I agree, nice bike. The PC has always been on my wish list of bikes to get if > money is a minor concern, rather than the over-riding factor. > > If that trunk ever gets too small, I can show you how to improve on your > luggage capacity. My Ninja carries a 24 gallon luggage box. > > Leon. > What Leon means to say is that his 24 gallon luggage box comescomplete with a Ninja to wheel it around on! = 8 - ) Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 3 09:02:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19747; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26151; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07114; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:30 -0500 (EST) Recei