From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 2 21:22:52 1997 From: JD6201md@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 21:20:57 -0500 (EST) To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: MFERRELL@XXXXXX Subject: ISO: 125cc MX'er Please excuse the cross-posting... If anyone knows of a fairly late model 125cc motocross bike for sale in the Baltimore/Washington area, please e-mail the details to: MFERRELL@XXXXXX Thanks, Jeff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 3 08:39:05 1997 From: Leonard Roy Subject: subscribe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 08:40:34 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit subscribe lroy@XXXXXX Thanks much! Leonard Roy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 13:49:29 1997 From: "Mantei, Debra, SSg, OSD/C3I +" To: "'dc-cycles-info'" , dc-cycles-request , "'ltdlist'" Subject: FW: Bike for Sale Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 07:21:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 36 TEXT ---------- From: Mantei, Debra, SSg, OSD/C3I + To: 'dc-cycles-info'; 'ltdlist' Subject: Bike for Sale Date: Monday, October 28, 1996 11:21AM Hi, this is Debbie. I'd still like to sell my 82 KZ 550 LTD. It's not in the prettiest bike I've seen, but mechanically it runs very well. Here's a little about it: When I bought it last Jan 96, it had just had new carbs and a new black paint job. When I got it, I immediately put new tires and new battery into it. Over the summer my fiancer and I have put about 100 or 150 miles on the bike and it has had a recent oil change and tune-up. There's a little scattered surface rust on the wheel covers and a lttle on the exhaust, but a little TLC and you could probably fit it up. All totalled there are approx 8,200 miles on the bike. There was one other owner beside myself and it was covered during bad weather. It's a good bike, but because it's an 82, it's not a "brand new" bike, nor does it look like one. It is currently under a current VA inspection and it WILL pass the 97 inspection with NO problem. Everything works, and it's a comfortable bike. It has a stepped seat and the handle grips are still in good condition. Only reason for selling is that I live in a condo, no place to store it and I choose not to take up riding any further. With winter coming on, neither myself nor my mate will be riding it and I don't want to pay insurance and inspection if it's not being used. I am flexible and negotiable as to price. I paid $800 in Jan and have put approx. $300 into it, but don't mind negotiating whatever price you can afford. Any and all inquiries can be made to: debra.mantei@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 08:49:21 1997 From: AmyReinhrd@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:48:00 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, kz-ltd-list@XXXXXX Subject: Bike For Sale Hi There, I have a bike to sell. It is a 1979 Honda CX550 in BEAUTIFUL condition. I purchased it last summer and have only ridden it about 200 miles. It now has around 6,800 total miles. I am now moving to the West Coast and cannot afford to take it with me unfortunately. It is extremely clean, runs well, and starts easily. I am only the second owner of this bike. It is currently under a '96 inspection and should have no problem passing the '97 one. I bought the bike with new tires/battery for $1100 but am selling it for $900. I promise that this bike is a great deal and will go quickly! All inquiries should be sent to AmyReinhrd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 09:12:10 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 09:08:17 EST From: jwc@XXXXXX (Jim W. Carr) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: kickstarting Miles, Wow, are these machines _different_ or what? Or is it the owners? Or both? >I've found that every bike wants something a little different. But, my >Victor sure doesn't want to be primed. The sequence it likes is; >1. Raise sidestand. >2. Do 1-2 kicks to free the clutch with no throttle. Isn't this priming? >3. Compression release to TDC. >4. Do 1 kick with 1/2 throttle. Isn't this priming? >5. Turn on the petcock & ignition >6. Do 1 tickle >7. Compression release to TDC >8. Kick with no throttle >9. Compression release to TDC >10. Kick with no throttle >11. Go step #6 >It doesn't like a lot of tickle or throttle to start, and usually starts at >the first step 8 or 10. Also, step #1 is as important as any other. Let's see, what do I do to start my Victor? 1. Stand on right side of bike (This saves much wear & tear on the inside of your right leg, caused by that damn oil tank cap.) 2. Leave sidestand down so it won't fall over when taking a break 3. Open petcock 4. Tickle carb till gas drips onto case 5. Grab compression release and hold on to it till _after_ it starts (Mine might have some problems but lack of compression is _definitely_ not one of them.) 6. Balancing bike carefully, rise up and give a stiff-legged, full-body- weight lunge to kick it through 1-4 times depending on how long it's been since last start, temperature, confluence of Mars & Jupiter, time of high tide, condition of sacrificial chicken, etc. 7. Turn on ignition and repeat # 6, offering up appropriate prayers and/or blasphemies as necessary. It generally starts right up at this point. Observations: An ammeter sure would be a great help in the above, thankfully the Bullet has one. Wasn't there someone on the list who had to go see his doctor after his Victor kicked back on him a couple months ago? Twins are a _lot_ easier to start than singles. >Try explaining this to your neighborhood RUB who doesn't understand what TDC >is, can't figure out how to apply the front brake to steady the bike while >kicking it AND burp the throttle when it thumps, is too afraid to kick ALL >the way thru, sceeeeech. Amen! My friendly neighborhood customized-electric-start-Harley-500-miles- a-year RUB acts as if I've performed a David Copperfield magic act every time I start one of my bikes. Ain't these things a blast? See you at Germantown! Cheers, Jim Carr 70 BSA B44VS 69 BSA A65T 96 Enfield Bullet 500 SST # 6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 09:40:59 1997 From: To: , Subject: Re: kickstarting Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:38:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 120 TEXT What do you guys mean by "tickle" the carbs? And RUB? And I was starting to think I knew something about bikes... With both my Kawasaki's, gas drips on the case just by turning the petcock and waiting a bit. Not that this is desirable. :-) I've found the kickstart to be a useful primer before trying out the electric starter if the bikes have been sitting a while. Rubber side down Horkster 'The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 (`Scooter` - Named at Last) 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 (The Wife`s Ride) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (Mine all mine!!!) ---------- From: jwc@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: kickstarting Date: Friday, February 07, 1997 9:08AM Miles, Wow, are these machines _different_ or what? Or is it the owners? Or both? >I've found that every bike wants something a little different. But, my >Victor sure doesn't want to be primed. The sequence it likes is; >1. Raise sidestand. >2. Do 1-2 kicks to free the clutch with no throttle. Isn't this priming? >3. Compression release to TDC. >4. Do 1 kick with 1/2 throttle. Isn't this priming? >5. Turn on the petcock & ignition >6. Do 1 tickle >7. Compression release to TDC >8. Kick with no throttle >9. Compression release to TDC >10. Kick with no throttle >11. Go step #6 >It doesn't like a lot of tickle or throttle to start, and usually starts at >the first step 8 or 10. Also, step #1 is as important as any other. Let's see, what do I do to start my Victor? 1. Stand on right side of bike (This saves much wear & tear on the inside of your right leg, caused by that damn oil tank cap.) 2. Leave sidestand down so it won't fall over when taking a break 3. Open petcock 4. Tickle carb till gas drips onto case 5. Grab compression release and hold on to it till _after_ it starts (Mine might have some problems but lack of compression is _definitely_ not one of them.) 6. Balancing bike carefully, rise up and give a stiff-legged, full-body- weight lunge to kick it through 1-4 times depending on how long it's been since last start, temperature, confluence of Mars & Jupiter, time of high tide, condition of sacrificial chicken, etc. 7. Turn on ignition and repeat # 6, offering up appropriate prayers and/or blasphemies as necessary. It generally starts right up at this point. Observations: An ammeter sure would be a great help in the above, thankfully the Bullet has one. Wasn't there someone on the list who had to go see his doctor after his Victor kicked back on him a couple months ago? Twins are a _lot_ easier to start than singles. >Try explaining this to your neighborhood RUB who doesn't understand what TDC >is, can't figure out how to apply the front brake to steady the bike while >kicking it AND burp the throttle when it thumps, is too afraid to kick ALL >the way thru, sceeeeech. Amen! My friendly neighborhood customized-electric-start-Harley-500-miles- a-year RUB acts as if I've performed a David Copperfield magic act every time I start one of my bikes. Ain't these things a blast? See you at Germantown! Cheers, Jim Carr 70 BSA B44VS 69 BSA A65T 96 Enfield Bullet 500 SST # 6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 09:44:38 1997 From: To: Subject: Rolling Thunder? Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:43:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 19 TEXT Relatively new to biking in the area (started last Fall). I've heard stuff about "Rolling Thunder", some sort of massive bike parade/show that starts at the Pentagon and goes through DC/VA/MD? Anyone know any more info about it? Is one planned for this year. I wouldn't mind participating this time around. Thanks, Horkster 'The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 (`Scooter` - Named at Last) 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 (The Wife`s Ride) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (Mine all mine!!!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 10:02:41 1997 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 97 09:57:23 EST From: "nicholsn" Encoding: 10 Text To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jwc@XXXXXX (Jim W. Carr) Subject: Re[2]: kickstarting Interesting tale that, kick-starting the Victor. I have a '73 T150V Trident that either starts on the first (serious) kick or after the twentieth. No known factors provide suitable predictors as to which to expect. Any thoughts, anyone? Nigel Nicholson 73 T150V 95 Thunderbird 96 R11RT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 10:27:18 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 10:23:13 EST From: jwc@XXXXXX (Jim W. Carr) To: HORSTMD@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: kickstarting Horkster and others, Actually I'm a bit surprised as this post was addressed to brit iron and not dc-cycles where I've been a lurker for a few weeks now. Sorry about the screw up. No idea how it got there but I guess it serves as my intro. >What do you guys mean by "tickle" the carbs? This is relating to ancient, primitive Amal carbs found on ancient, primitive British bikes. It's sort of like a choke, being a little plunger on the right side of the carb body. You hold it down and the bowl fills up with gas till it drips out onto the casings then you're ready to go! > And RUB? Rich Urban Biker. Adequate descriptions below. > With both my Kawasaki's, gas drips on the case just by turning >the petcock and waiting a bit. Not that this is desirable. :-) It is on British bikes! :-) >I've found the kickstart to be a useful primer before trying out the >electric starter if the bikes have been sitting a while. Probably is but, then again, none of my bikes _have_ electric starters so there's no choice! >Rubber side down Always! >1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (Mine all mine!!!) This is very cool. A good buddy of mine has a 78 KZ1000 and he's never run into anybody else who has one. I'll let him know you're around. Description of a RUB: >>Try explaining this to your neighborhood RUB who doesn't understand what TDC >>is, can't figure out how to apply the front brake to steady the bike while >>kicking it AND burp the throttle when it thumps, is too afraid to kick ALL >>the way thru, sceeeeech. > Amen! My friendly neighborhood customized-electric-start-Harley-500-miles- > a-year RUB acts as if I've performed a David Copperfield magic act every > time I start one of my bikes. Cheers, Jim Carr 70 BSA B44VS (vicious, violent little bastard) 69 BSA A65T (sweet running twin, will be at the Balto show) 96 Enfield Bullet 500 (my daily rider, a sweet little thumper) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 10:51:44 1997 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "HORSTMD@XXXXXX" Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: kickstarting Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:40:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 31 TEXT, 44 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >What do you guys mean by "tickle" the carbs? < Back inna old days when men were men and wimmen were glad... Brit bikes (any any others using Amal carbs) had a small button poking up from the float chamber that would push the float down - thus letting lotsa gas flow into the carb float chamber (providing that extra rich mixture for starting) Of course, holding the button down for too long would flood the hell out of the bike. Like most things, it was more of an art than a science. You kids today are spoiled rotten and expect your bikes to start every time - half the thrill of riding back in the 50s and 60s was getting the damn thing started - actually riding it was almost secondary. >And RUB?< Rich Urban Biker - i.e. a poser that spends $30K+ for a Harley (usually) and all of the Lifestyle Accessories, but doesn't actually ride the thing. Michael Jordan mike@XXXXXX '86 SRX-6 (kick start only - like God intended, thank you) '93 GSX 1100GP (wussy starter (my first ever in 30+ years of riding)) AMA IBA etc. begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(B /`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````,3!"-S0T M0T9"-#@P1# Q,4(U-S P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`#0Q^Q*. @'X "0"D"%M!T\G,C$&=A!" L80?@"X 7*O ? MMRQ=*!TA=FEDPRD"+4-E>'1R(Q %$/L1$,3$U0S/ =@20WQ\0'T '@"\A$8!L.U0?P-\% M$#K2-L %$#,S8B*D'[-L-3 $("3B-D>Q/C)G]R^U'\(C<&U'0BD"-4-!X?\O M, #0-+ J@1\01G4^!0= GSTS$; %H"3P"L!Y+AP_OQU$"H<@GR&\'"\=-4$D M\5A254)/'QP`/R&M4NTT0E4@( .10B>1!< O,/QI+D Q(Q K,!&P+25!D(,) M\$#!)#,P2RLT\]TC$$@*P!^ 'Q H*.!*XU\IX"3B*H([13S@9@>0=/9Y'X 4 ML&- ( 00!; (D,\]T2K!'>$'D&XG!4!*NJ]%LD6R*0$F34TT06$ZP.P@2@6P M(W!N"H4T@">@5D S$#!0+@6@;0J%)T0X-@8`4E@M8@`HORM0(K%$% (@2Q$O M,&P\\OY'.D$Q$5>Q"8 W0#]B(L C'B$UQB1[ BRBQ1D`````````-RG M0,C 0A :M+D(`"LOX8(!`````````"X````>`/@_`0```!4```!3>7-T96T@ M061M:6YIWhat do you guys mean by "tickle" the carbs? This is relating to ancient, primitive Amal carbs found on ancient, primitive British bikes. It's sort of like a choke, being a little plunger on the right side of the carb body. You hold it down and the bowl fills up with gas till it drips out onto the casings then you're ready to go! > And RUB? Rich Urban Biker. Adequate descriptions below. > With both my Kawasaki's, gas drips on the case just by turning >the petcock and waiting a bit. Not that this is desirable. :-) It is on British bikes! :-) >I've found the kickstart to be a useful primer before trying out the >electric starter if the bikes have been sitting a while. Probably is but, then again, none of my bikes _have_ electric starters so there's no choice! >Rubber side down Always! >1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (Mine all mine!!!) This is very cool. A good buddy of mine has a 78 KZ1000 and he's never run into anybody else who has one. I'll let him know you're around. Description of a RUB: >>Try explaining this to your neighborhood RUB who doesn't understand what TDC >>is, can't figure out how to apply the front brake to steady the bike while >>kicking it AND burp the throttle when it thumps, is too afraid to kick ALL >>the way thru, sceeeeech. > Amen! My friendly neighborhood customized-electric-start-Harley-500-miles- > a-year RUB acts as if I've performed a David Copperfield magic act every > time I start one of my bikes. Cheers, Jim Carr 70 BSA B44VS (vicious, violent little bastard) 69 BSA A65T (sweet running twin, will be at the Balto show) 96 Enfield Bullet 500 (my daily rider, a sweet little thumper) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 11:05:55 1997 From: To: , Subject: RE: Rolling Thunder? Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:05:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 87 TEXT Thanks, Amy Looking at my calendar, ~1 week before Memorial Day, on May 17th, is Armed Forces Day. I would bet that would be the day it takes place this year. It sounds like fun. A small group of bikes together would probably be more fun, I agree. Maybe I'll talk my wife into riding her Virago as well. Rubber side down, Horkster 'The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 (`Scooter` - Named at Last) 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 (The Wife`s Ride) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (Mine all mine!!!) ---------- From: Rottier_Amy To: Horstman, Dale R @ MAN Subject: RE: Rolling Thunder? Date: Friday, February 07, 1997 10:38AM Hi. I'm not sure about the history, but basically it's a show of support by motorcyclists for veterans, specifically Vietnam Veterans and Korean War Veterans, and usually happens the Sunday before Memorial Day. My husband and I went last year. We were probably 2 of the 1% non-Harley riders, but there was no problem. We rode down to the Harley shop in Indianhead to ride out with them. Unfortunately, at the time my bike had a terrible starter problem, and would not re-start after it quit when it got overheated. So when it quit on me while waiting at a light, I had to push it over to the side (we were 1/2 mile from the shop). Anyway, we ended up sitting on our bikes watching Harleys go by for 45 minutes before we could get in line for the ride to the Pentagon parking lot. We were there for awhile, then started seeing activity at the other end. We mounted up after awhile, and another 1-1/2 later, were on our way behind countless other bikes. We rode through cop-lined and people-lined streets in DC to the grounds near the Vietnam Memorial. We headed home, but I hear there was a good time at the park. To end: it was an experience. I might do it again, but only with a larger group of people (not as much fun with just the two of us). Amy '83 Honda Shadow ________________________________________________________________________ ____ ___ From: HORSTMD@XXXXXX on Fri, Feb 7, 1997 9:55 AM Subject: Rolling Thunder? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Relatively new to biking in the area (started last Fall). I've heard stuff about "Rolling Thunder", some sort of massive bike parade/show that starts at the Pentagon and goes through DC/VA/MD? Anyone know any more info about it? Is one planned for this year. I wouldn't mind participating this time around. Thanks, Horkster 'The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 (`Scooter` - Named at Last) 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 (The Wife`s Ride) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (Mine all mine!!!) -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 11:14:06 1997 From: To: , Subject: RE: kickstarting Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:13:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 62 TEXT Thanks, Michael! Funny post. I've got a neighbor who I guess is a RUB. He's got a nice Harley on his back porch.... I've never seen him ride it. He's got a Monster Truck he goes mudding in on weekends, and he drives a beat up little Ford Escort back and forth to work, at a NAPA place. Rich, I'm not sure. Stupid, yes. My wife has an '82 Virago WITHOUT a kickstarter of any sort. A good bike overall, but they are notorious for a chronic problem with...you guessed it... the electric starter. It's so frustrating, since you can't kick it when the starter motor gears start slipping. (Well, you could actually KICK it, I know I almost have...) Horkster ---------- From: Jordan, Michael To: Horstman, Dale R @ MAN Cc: 'DC-Cycles' Subject: RE: kickstarting Date: Friday, February 07, 1997 10:40AM >What do you guys mean by "tickle" the carbs? < Back inna old days when men were men and wimmen were glad... Brit bikes (any any others using Amal carbs) had a small button poking up from the float chamber that would push the float down - thus letting lotsa gas flow into the carb float chamber (providing that extra rich mixture for starting) Of course, holding the button down for too long would flood the hell out of the bike. Like most things, it was more of an art than a science. You kids today are spoiled rotten and expect your bikes to start every time - half the thrill of riding back in the 50s and 60s was getting the damn thing started - actually riding it was almost secondary. >And RUB?< Rich Urban Biker - i.e. a poser that spends $30K+ for a Harley (usually) and all of the Lifestyle Accessories, but doesn't actually ride the thing. Michael Jordan mike@XXXXXX '86 SRX-6 (kick start only - like God intended, thank you) '93 GSX 1100GP (wussy starter (my first ever in 30+ years of riding)) AMA IBA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 11:38:01 1997 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:34:15 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Meier" Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: HORSTMD@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rottier_amy@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Horkster, No, not the 17th, The Sunday the day before Memorial Day, should be the 25th. I rode one year, on a Katana nonetheless. Sportbikes are very underrepresented in this event, but as Amy said, no problems. People are usually quite friendly, and the event (even though it involves bikes) is not so much about bikes, but about Vets. People are there to honor our Veterans, and their common link is motorcycling. On thing to keep in mind.... The ride moves EXTREMELY slow. Lots of sitting in traffic at a dead stop. I swore I would never ride it again on an air-cooled bike, but since I now have a liquid cooled bike with a fan, I may go this year. chris HORSTMD@XXXXXX wrote: > > Thanks, Amy > > Looking at my calendar, ~1 week before Memorial Day, on May 17th, > is Armed Forces Day. I would bet that would be the day it takes place > this year. It sounds like fun. A small group of bikes together would > probably be more fun, I agree. Maybe I'll talk my wife into riding her > Virago as well. > > Rubber side down, > Horkster > > 'The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman > dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX > > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 (`Scooter` - Named at Last) > 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 (The Wife`s Ride) > 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (Mine all mine!!!) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher A. Meier Computer Sciences Corporation Washington, DC "Nature is a language, can’t you read?" 1994 Suzuki RF900R -Smiths AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 12:13:02 1997 From: BERGIE FRAZIER JR To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Bike Week '97 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:12:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Our group of five riders is definitely going to Daytona Bike Week '97: Berg ('95 ZX11) bergie@XXXXXX Lester ('97 YZF1000) lesterg@XXXXXX Tom ('92 FJ1200) nil8r@XXXXXX Rich ('95 CBR900RR) NA Bill ('95 RF900) NA We are leaving from Herndon VA on Tuesday March 4th @ 9PM, and leaving the Daytona area on Monday March 10th @ 9AM. We will be trailering our bikes on this trip using a UHaul 12x6 double- axle trailer behind a full-size pickup. We will be driving straight through to FL (no overnight stops), the drive is approximately 12-14 hours. If anyone in the DC Cycles Group is planning on going to Bike Week and would like to join our group, or if you would like a schedule of the events, you may contact me via email or fax. We would like to have additional riders or spectators convoy with us. Bergie Frazier Jr. Paragon Consulting 4451 Brookfield Corporate Drive, Suite 112 Chantilly, VA 20151-1693 Tel: 703 968-3023 Fax: 703 968-3025 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 14:01:51 1997 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 07 Feb 97 13:57:17 To: DC-Cycles , John Weinstein Subject: Yo! Go to Moto Show? Who's going to the motorcycle show next weekend in B-more? Maybe we could go as a group or at least try to meet once there. Ideas? Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX or: rzerols@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 14:29:18 1997 Date: 7 Feb 1997 14:27:07 -0500 From: "Rottier_Amy" Subject: RE: Rolling Thunder? To: "dc-cycles" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >The Sunday the day before Memorial Day, should be the 25th. Yes. >On thing to keep in mind.... The ride moves EXTREMELY slow. Lots of >sitting in traffic at a dead stop. I swore I would never ride it again >on an air-cooled bike, but since I now have a liquid cooled bike with a >fan, I may go this year. KEY. Absolutely key. Thank heaven for radiators. Amy '83 Honda Shadow VT500 (water-cooled) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 14:41:36 1997 Date: 7 Feb 1997 14:32:08 -0500 From: "Rottier_Amy" Subject: RE: Yo! Go to Moto Show? To: "DC-Cycles" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We're going. Probably with about 5-6 people. Friday night. Looking for = bargains... Amy __________________________________________________________________________= _____ From: BWEINER@XXXXXX on Fri, Feb 7, 1997 2:24 PM Subject: Yo! Go to Moto Show? To: DC-Cycles; John Weinstein Who's going to the motorcycle show next weekend in B-more? Maybe we = could go as a group or at least try to meet once there. Ideas? Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX or: rzerols@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 07 Feb 97 13:57:17 To: DC-Cycles , John Weinstein Subject: Yo! Go to Moto Show? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 14:45:40 1997 From: To: , , Subject: RE: Yo! Go to Moto Show? Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:28:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 21 TEXT I plan on going up on Saturday. KZ1000 LTD if it's nice, rain bike (Nissan Stanza) if it's not. I'll be coming up from Woodbridge, VA. Can meet anywhere if a group gets together. Horkster ---------- From: BWEINER@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles; John Weinstein Subject: Yo! Go to Moto Show? Date: Friday, February 07, 1997 8:57AM Who's going to the motorcycle show next weekend in B-more? Maybe we could go as a group or at least try to meet once there. Ideas? Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX or: rzerols@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 14:49:43 1997 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 14:45:36 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Meier" Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BWEINER@XXXXXX CC: DC-Cycles , John Weinstein Subject: Re: Yo! Go to Moto Show? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I will be there on Sunday. Let me know if you want to meet up. chris BWEINER@XXXXXX wrote: > > Who's going to the motorcycle show next weekend in B-more? Maybe we could > go as a group or at least try to meet once there. Ideas? > > Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX > or: rzerols@XXXXXX > "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." > RZ350, CB-1 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher A. Meier Computer Sciences Corporation Washington, DC "Nature is a language, can’t you read?" 1994 Suzuki RF900R -Smiths AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 17:52:01 1997 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 beta 12 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 17:41:21 -0500 To: DC-Cycles List From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: MARRC events Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Talk of the the bike show reminds me... the Mid-Atlantic Roadracing Club has a new web page. http://marrc.nova.org If anyone lacks web access, I can post the schedule of events. rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 19:10:41 1997 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 19:10:19 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Bike For Sale At 08:48 7-02-97 -0500, Amy wrote: >I have a bike to sell. It is a 1979 Honda CX550 in BEAUTIFUL condition. I >purchased it last summer and have only ridden it about 200 miles. It now has >around 6,800 total miles. >I bought the bike with new tires/battery for $1100 but am selling it for >$900. I promise that this bike is a great deal and will go quickly! >All inquiries should be sent to AmyReinhrd@XXXXXX > I can't vouch for this particular bike, but I do have a question. If it's a CX, its a 500 not a 550. The CX is an 80 degree V-twin installed like the MotoGuzzi with the cylinders sticking out to the sides. This motor was developed from Honda's Superbike 500 twin. It likes to rev, it's a water-cooled, 4-valve pushrod motor, the '79s will sometimes have a problem with the fan which is attached to the end of the camshaft. This motor will easily go 100,000 miles. In '83, the last year Honda made this motor, they increased the displacement to 650cc. I have a CX650 with 124,000 miles and a GL650 with 100,000 miles. They'll last a couple more years before I have to get another bike. > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 23:33:59 1997 From: Dark Hacker Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 23:32:49 -0500 (EST) To: BWEINER@XXXXXX, cmeier1@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yo! Go to Moto Show? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, john.weinstein@XXXXXX At a minimum we should find a way to hook up at the show if not on the road! - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 8 05:30:39 1997 Date: Sat Feb 8 05:29:14 1997 X-Mailer: Panda-2.0e From: Brian McCoy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: vfr@XXXXXX Subject: *sigh* Snow sucks... esp. when it's covering my motorcycle and it doesn't look like it'll stop. Wonder how long I'll have to wait this time... How do you who live in actual winter climates live for so long without being on a motorcycle? Maybe I'll go out and watch it snow for awhile, brush off the pile that's surely accumulating on my little toy, and come back in to warm up only to return to brush more snow from her.... --- Brian McCoy http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 '86 Honda VF500F - Scrappy bmccoy2@XXXXXX Working hard Today for those Dreams of Tomorrow.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 8 08:02:33 1997 Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 08:00:48 -0500 (EST) From: tale@XXXXXX (David C Lawrence) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: *sigh* In-Reply-To: <199702081029.FAA19445@envirolink.org> Brian McCoy writes: > How do you who live in actual winter climates live for so long > without being on a motorcycle? We ride snowmobiles. (Formerly from the Upstate NY Berkshires, soon to be living in Vermont's Green Mountains.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 8 08:42:13 1997 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 08:42:02 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: *sigh* At , you wrote: > > How do you who >live in actual winter climates live for so long without being on a motorcycle? I think it's a lot like sex, I've heard it's possible to live without it, but why? 1) Damn the snow, go ride. 2) Wait until this afternoon, they'll have the roads clear by then, and it's supposed to get to 50 tomorrow. 3) Go get a cheap bike. With a second bike, some of the worries about falling down go away. Buy one and practice away from traffic until you feel comfortable enough to go out into the world. 4) Use a substitute (disregard the line about sex at the top of this message) get a 4-wheeler or a dirtbike or a snowmobile. Before I traded it for another motorcycle, clearing the driveway with a snowblade on the lawn tractor was just as much fun as riding. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 07:01:37 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 06:59:58 -0500 () From: Morris Berman To: Brian McCoy Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: *sigh* In-Reply-To: <199702081029.FAA19445@envirolink.org> X-X-Sender: morris@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, the roads were relatively clear so the solution is simple... Strap the skis to the bike and take of for the mountains! (or little hills that we have around here) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@XXXXXX, http://www.glue.umd.edu/~morris/ MSB, PFD, WTD, ARL <-- Obviously a Government Employee '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Sat, 8 Feb 1997, Brian McCoy wrote: > > Snow sucks... esp. when it's covering my motorcycle and it doesn't look like > it'll stop. Wonder how long I'll have to wait this time... How do you who > live in actual winter climates live for so long without being on a motorcycle? > > Maybe I'll go out and watch it snow for awhile, brush off the pile that's > surely accumulating on my little toy, and come back in to warm up only to > return to brush more snow from her.... > > --- > Brian McCoy http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 > '86 Honda VF500F - Scrappy bmccoy2@XXXXXX > Working hard Today for those Dreams of Tomorrow.. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 08:39:39 1997 From: STURGES_RICH@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:35:06 -0500 Subject: hurricane parts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles Group) have/know of hurricane (ie, CBR- f1) parts, forks plus both wheels- $50 obo? contact me at sturges@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 08:48:08 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:51:10 -0500 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Dealer Advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hey Cyclers, Anybody have an opinion on the local BMW motorcycle dealers? I am shopping, and if any of them have a black eye with the cycling community I would like to know. Dave David Choat, Visionary '95 Suzuki RF900R Email: dchoat@XXXXXX "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." PJ O'Rourke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 09:32:48 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 09:28:51 EST From: jwc@XXXXXX (Jim W. Carr) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yo! Go to Moto Show? If anybody cares, I'll be there Thursday afternoon about 1:30 or so to set up which will take me about 30 seconds, then again Sunday afternoon from about 2:00 on. I'll probably be hanging mostly around the Brit/antique stuff. Never been to the Balto show before so I don't know what to expect. Be glad to meet up with anybody who cares to suggest where/when. Look forward to seeing some of y'all there! Cheers, Jim Carr 70 BSA B44VS 69 BSA A65T (in the show) 96 Enfield Bullet 500 SST # 6 People who have the power to make things happen don't do the things that people do, so they don't know what needs to happen. Russell Baker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 10:20:46 1997 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:17:14 PST Subject: Re: *sigh* Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <199702081029.FAA19445@envirolink.org> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) > Snow sucks... esp. when it's covering my motorcycle and it doesn't look like > it'll stop. Wonder how long I'll have to wait this time... How do you who > live in actual winter climates live for so long without being on a motorcycle? We ski, hunt, snowshoe, ride snomobiles, buy the biggest snowblower on the block ("Of course I need 20 horsepower and tractor drive. We have a double garage!") and wait for spring. We also spend hours poring over maps and guidebooks to decide where to ride next year. But what the hell, every so often the roads dry out and I can take the Wing for a spin. Even a half hour ride every three weeks is better than nothing. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 12:17:56 1997 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Matthew Whalen Subject: mailing list Pgp-Action: signclear Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:16:05 -0500 Sender: mwhalen@XXXXXX According to: http://skylands.ibmwr.org/tomk /sbr/tom/mailing_lists.html this is the correct address to send email to to subscribe to the dc-cycles mailing list... Please subscribe mwhalen@XXXXXX.. Thanks -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 20:06:55 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 20:08:20 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dwkaiser@XXXXXX (David & Michele DeJong Kaiser) Subject: Crossroads Cycle Have any of you dealt with Crossroads Cycle? I'm thinking of having them swap a dead engine for a good one in an '86 Kawasaki Concours. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 09:14:48 1997 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:08:13 -0500 To: dwkaiser@XXXXXX (David & Michele DeJong Kaiser), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Crossroads Cycle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:08 PM 2/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >Have any of you dealt with Crossroads Cycle? I'm thinking of having them >swap a dead engine for a good one in an '86 Kawasaki Concours. The guy that is running the service deptment is a personal friend of mine, so my opinion is a little biased. BUT for the people that know Kenny Abbott they know that he is a decent person. I would trust him to swap a motor for me without reservation. I would trust him to swap the motor on my mother's motorcycle. (actually my mom does not have a bike, but if she did I would trust kenny to to the job) Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 09:17:02 1997 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:11:11 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Yo! Go to Moto Show? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:28 AM 2/10/97 EST, you wrote: >If anybody cares, I'll be there Thursday afternoon about 1:30 or so to set >up which will take me about 30 seconds, then again Sunday afternoon from >about 2:00 on. I'll be working the MARRC booth on Sunday 1-3. After that I will be getting drunk somewhere, undoubtedly from telling lies about how fast I ride motorcycles on the track...:-) Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 11:19:41 1997 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 11:00:44 To: DC-Cycles Cc: john.weinstein@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Yo! Go to Moto Show? Alright, I see a couple of options for hooking up. I mean as a group, not with members of the opposite sex. You're on your own for that. We could try to meet at an agreed upon place before heading up. The drawback to that is that everybody probably has their own schedule. Another option is to meet at an agreed upon place AT the show. Two people have already said they are running booths and perhaps they wouldn't mind us using their booth as the meeting place. Or perhaps they would. Might drive people away. OR, and I like this one because it involves food, we could meet at an agreed upon place to eat. I don't know whether they have decent food, a place to sit and eat, or even food at these things. Anybody know? We could meet at a place near the convention center also. Anybody know of a mEATing place up there? How's this sound? I'll be up there on Saturday and I volunteer to make myself identifiable in order for people to locate me. I'll be the one wearing jeans and a motorcycle jacket. Is that distinctive enough? :) Of course having a CAMS t-shirt would probably work. (sorry john, couldn't pass that up). Seriously, I'll be wearing a black t-shirt with the Hungarian crest (red,white,green) on it. Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 John - pass this onto the CAMS please. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 11:27:56 1997 From: Dalmas Randy To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Crossroads Cycle Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:16:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 16 TEXT I highly recommend Crossroads Cycle. I have dealt with Dennis and Kenny for the last 5 years, and they not only work on my Kawasaki streetbike, but my racebike as well. They take great care in making sure that they understand what you want done, and explain all the work that they do. Call them at (703) 820-3711 to talk to them directly. - Randy Dalmas MARRC, CCS #120 > > >Have any of you dealt with Crossroads Cycle? I'm thinking of having them >swap a dead engine for a good one in an '86 Kawasaki Concours. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 14:17:33 1997 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 14:10:57 To: john schaaf , DC-Cycles Cc: John Weinstein Subject: Re[2]: Yo! Go to Moto Show? Well, it's been decided. For me at least. Great work John. Everyone meet at Sisson's at 1pm on whatever day you're going to be there. I'll be there Saturday. Now, how about some directions to get to the place. Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Yo! Go to Moto Show? Author: john schaaf at MNGNET Date: 2/11/97 1:23 PM BWEINER@XXXXXX wrote: > > > center also. Anybody know of a mEATing place up there? How's this sound? > > I suggest Sisson's in Federal Hill. within walking distance. best of all a "Brew Pub" great ales brewed on premise john Schaaf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 20:13:04 1997 From: snap@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:06:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Fwd: FW: Please Read!! (fwd)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was sent to me: "Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your Internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network. Internet usage will diminish if users were required to pay additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an email box for your comments, responses must be received by February 13, 1997. Send your comments to isp@XXXXXX and tell them what you think. Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak it in just under the wire for litigation. Let everyone you know here this one. Get the e-mail address to everyone you can think of: isp@XXXXXX Please forward this email to all your friends on the Internet so all our voices may be heard!" P. S. If you don't agree with this, then just trash the message and not me. I'm just passing it on . . . Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 07:22:23 1997 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Re: [Fwd: FW: Please Read!! (fwd)] To: snap@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 07:22:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3301178D.3E16@sysnet.net> from "snap@sysnet.net" at Feb 11, 97 08:06:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit snap@XXXXXX writes: > > This was sent to me: > > "Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to > impose per minute charges for your Internet service. They contend > that your usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone > network. > > Internet usage will diminish if users were required to pay additional > per minute charges. The FCC has created an email box for your > comments, responses must be received by February 13, 1997. Send > your comments to isp@XXXXXX and tell them what you think. > > Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to > sneak it in just under the wire for litigation. Let everyone you > know here this one. Get the e-mail address to everyone you can > think of: > > isp@XXXXXX Before everyone fires off an email to the FCC, check out the page the FCC has set up on this subject: http://www.fcc.gov/isp.html If you send mail to this address, you must include the docket# in the subject, and there is some important information that all these emails are leaving out. If you want the FCC to listen to you, they have a simple format that you can follow, all of this information you can get from their web-site. ----------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 07:27:40 1997 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 07:28:21 -0500 (EST) From: John Donovan X-Sender: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: snap@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: FW: Please Read!! (fwd)] In-Reply-To: <3301178D.3E16@sysnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII URBAN LEGEND ALERT nuffsaid. On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 snap@XXXXXX wrote: > This was sent to me: > > "Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to > impose per minute charges for your Internet service. They contend > that your usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone > network. > > Internet usage will diminish if users were required to pay additional > per minute charges. The FCC has created an email box for your > comments, responses must be received by February 13, 1997. Send > your comments to isp@XXXXXX and tell them what you think. > > Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to > sneak it in just under the wire for litigation. Let everyone you > know here this one. Get the e-mail address to everyone you can > think of: > > isp@XXXXXX > > Please forward this email to all your friends on the Internet > so all our voices may be heard!" > > P. S. If you don't agree with this, then just trash the > message and not me. I'm just passing it on . . . > > Glenn > John Donovan System Administrator Newbridge Networks, Herndon, VA jdonovan@XXXXXX '96 Ram 1500CC 4x4 5.2 DOD#-96 '92 GSX1100-G Ramtruck List Admin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 07:45:14 1997 From: AJohn78326@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 07:44:34 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Subject: List Unsubscribe dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) AJohn78326@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 10:11:01 1997 From: Sanjay Sinha Subject: hooking up electric clothing... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:08:11 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit greetings, i am looking for some tips on how to set up the wiring for running my electric vest and gloves on my 87 shadow. firstly, i am dissatisfied with the type of connectors provided by gerbing (the manufacturer). they are difficult to manipulate while wearing the gloves, very stiff and do not release when pulled hard. i decided to improvise and the best solution i came up with is the big 1.25 inch long mono headphone jacks. radio shack also sells the matching sockets. i figured i would use one of each for the +ve and -ve, rather one, giving me the ability to solder a higher gauge of wires onto the connectors. one added benefit of connectors is that i can hook up my battery charger to an extra pair of jacks and i'm all set for the occasional battery charging by simply plugging it in. any flaws in my plan? i was thinking of routing the wires and placing the connectors on the underside of the gas tank, on the left, pointing backwards. that way i can also connect/disconnect while sitting on the bike. pointing backwards has the benefit of reducing ufo's or water from entering when the connectors are empty and also helps by not sticking out side ways, hitting my thigh. any ideas on what to cover the wires (from my vest) with so that they do not scratch the tank, etc.? would the foam/rubber pipe insulation used in air-conditioning trade do the trick? how have others done it? any do's and don'ts? thanks a lot for your input. ride safe sanjay -- Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. DoD #1224 Statistically speaking, i'm safer in Beirut. CB 650 'The Cow' Standard disclaimers apply. VT 700C 'nonameyet' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 10:38:38 1997 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Re: hooking up electric clothing... To: sanjay@XXXXXX (Sanjay Sinha) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:37:20 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199702121508.KAA57284@ssc.sas.upenn.edu> from "Sanjay Sinha" at Feb 12, 97 10:08:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sanjay Sinha writes: > > i decided to improvise and the best solution i came up with is the big > 1.25 inch long mono headphone jacks. radio shack also sells the matching > sockets. i figured i would use one of each for the +ve and -ve, rather one, > giving me the ability to solder a higher gauge of wires onto the connectors. > how have others done it? > any do's and don'ts? Careful with the 1/4" jacks- they can short while you are plugging in to them. Also, they were not designed for high current, so you may end up with reliability problems. Check out the accessory plugs BMW puts on its bikes. You can get the sockets from BMW too. A bit more expensive than 1/4" jacks, but it may work better for the long run. What about the ubiquitos plug used on computer cords? the one shaped like: ___ / \ |___| bigger, but definitely able to handle the current. You can even get them with built in fuses... Just a thought, I've never tried it. ----------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 10:50:13 1997 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 10:39:41 EST From: W.Michael.DiTullio@XXXXXX To: SANJAY@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hooking up electric clothing... Organization: Lockheed Martin News-Software: UReply 3.1 In a previous message, you wrote: > > > >greetings, > >i am looking for some tips on how to set up the wiring for running my >electric vest and gloves on my 87 shadow. ----- snip snip snip ---- >any flaws in my plan? >how have others done it? >any do's and don'ts? > >thanks a lot for your input. > >ride safe >sanjay > Another route is to use BMW type electrical connectors. You can get the real thing at a BMW dealer or get a cheaper version (physically the same size and shape) at a John Deere Tractor dealer. They're very nice polarized plugs and the female jack has a nice snap on hinged waterproof cover. Now wether you can mount the jack on a shadow is a question you'd have to answer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |mailto:michael.ditullio@XXXXXX |thousands of them to donate...ask me| |mailto:spazman@XXXXXX |Atlantic City, NJ | |1-800-AMA-JOIN |87 GTI,89 HawkGT,95 ST1100 STOC#105 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 11:57:06 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:31:23 -0500 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: hooking up electric clothing... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part DON'T BUY THE BEEMER PLUGS! John Deere makes an identical plug for a seriously reduced cost. I use a widder electric vest, and my tank has a half bra to prevent abrasions. They have a simple two prong connector that plugs into a small plastic plate on the vest. The plate is then heated up to the point where it fries your stomach, eventually the vest warms you too, but the plate temp really distracts you from the cold until the vest gets warm. I wear a thin nylon sweater under the vest to avoid unsightly burns. :)>. Make sure you have a fuse on the connector too. I would also suggest your disconnect plug be relatively easy to do, I have walked away from the bike on more than one occassion and felt the cord yank as I forgot to unplug. If it were a real bear, than maybe you could pull the bike off its kickstand, God Forbid. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 12:12:25 1997 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:11:49 -0500 X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: John Donovan , snap@XXXXXX From: cheryl Subject: Re: [Fwd: FW: Please Read!! (fwd)] Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 07:28 AM 2/12/97 -0500, John Donovan wrote: > >URBAN LEGEND ALERT > >nuffsaid. > An urban legend that's on the http://www.fcc.gov web page. Look for NPRM(cc docket no. 96-262 and NOI (cc docket no. 96-263) maybe not such an urban legend after all? Even though the idea that huge corporations would be trying to find new ways to gouge the public DOES sound totally out of character, it would seem that they're trying to do just that.... :P __________________________________________________________ Cheryl-squeakers-ME! I am NOT too short...You're just too tall! ( did I mention that I like to bite? ) squeaks@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/squeaks Im not *a* bitch. Im *THE* bitch. Thats MS. Bitch to you! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 12:14:49 1997 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:10:47 PST Subject: Re: hooking up electric clothing... Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <199702121508.KAA57284@ssc.sas.upenn.edu> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) > firstly, i am dissatisfied with the type of connectors provided by > gerbing (the manufacturer). they are difficult to manipulate while wearing > the gloves, very > stiff and do not release when pulled hard. J&M Corp sells a plug that you can mount flush in a flat panel but, like all J&M products, it's expensive. The plug and mate cost about $30. Rip off! I have no problem with my Gerbing connector. It loosens up a little over time. If you want to make it easier, use a sharp blade to shave some of the plastic next to the exposed connector. The plug will become much easier to connect and disconnect. When you look straight at the end of the connector, the exposed metal looks like a little "o" next to a big plastic "D" like this: o D Inside the plastic capital "D" is the metal receptacle for the other wire. Disconnect the plug from the battery and shave a little plastic off the straight side of the "D" and repeat for the other connector. > i decided to improvise and the best solution i came up with is the big > 1.25 inch long mono headphone jacks. radio shack also sells the matching > sockets. i figured i would use one of each for the +ve and -ve, rather one, > giving me the ability to solder a higher gauge of wires onto the connectors. Look for something more weather proof than that. Check out the variety of DIN plugs at Radio Shack. The disadvantage of most DIN plugs is the need to carefully align the two parts before mating. (Also a concern with matrimony) > one added benefit of connectors is that i can hook up my battery charger > to an extra pair of jacks and i'm all set for the occasional battery > charging by simply plugging it in. If you hooked up the electric vest directly to the battery per the instructions, then the vest plug is perfect for a battery charger. Whichever connector you use, make sure it can not short to any nearby metal parts when the connector is unused. Look around the bike for pointed metal parts that could reach inside the connector and short on the hot wire. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 17:30:32 1997 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:22:13 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Clark To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, squeaks@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read Cheryl, Actually, the local phone co's are whining about a *real* problem... Not to say that I'm on their side or anything... But telephone lines and switches were built and laid to handle a "typical" duration phone call of a couple minutes. Lines, switches, whatnot are all shared invisibly. With the advent of the internet and ISPs providing unlimited service, well, the typical phone call is taking a huge jump from a just a couple minutes to a couple *hours*. Meaning, that all those lines and switches that could have handled a couple hundred phone calls are tied up for hours whilest someone does a bit of on-line shopping... Enough people get on in the evening to tie up all the available lines, and we end up with not enough left unused to share betwixt the rest of us who just want to call for a pizza... So, the phone company has to shell out for more lines, more switches, and more capacity... Well, they don't want to foot the bill themselves. And I don't want to pay for other people browsing all evening. So the logical thing to do is to get rid of unlimited free local phone calls. If you're on the phone all the time, well then by golly you aught to pay for it. It's not so much a matter of gouging the public, but rather trying to charge those who use the system the most. Kiss unlimited free local calls goodbye. The phone co simply has to find a way to pay for all the increased demand... I can see their problem. I don't like it. But I can understand it. Richard H. Clark >From: cheryl >Subject: Re: [Fwd: FW: Please Read!! (fwd)] >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> >>URBAN LEGEND ALERT >> >>nuffsaid. >> > An urban legend that's on the http://www.fcc.gov web page. Look for > NPRM(cc docket no. 96-262 and NOI (cc docket no. 96-263) > > maybe not such an urban legend after all? Even though the idea that huge >corporations would be trying to find new ways to gouge the public DOES sound >totally out of character, it would seem that they're trying to do just that.... > :P > > >__________________________________________________________ > Cheryl-squeakers-ME! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 18:26:00 1997 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:20:53 -0500 X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Richard Clark From: cheryl Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 05:22 PM 2/12/97 -0500, Richard Clark wrote: > >Cheryl, > >Actually, the local phone co's are whining about a *real* problem... >Not to say that I'm on their side or anything... >And I don't want to pay for other people browsing all evening. So the >logical thing to do is to get rid of unlimited free local phone calls. > >Richard H. Clark It sounds to me like you either work for a telephone company, or you've bought all their "we're overloaded and broke!" hype. I paid to have a second phone line installed in my home for my computer. I pay for unlimited phone calls. They ARENT "free". I pay for my unlimited internet access. For many many years the consumer has "paid" whatever fees the phone companys were inclined to charge us. Obviously, they charged as much as they possibly could. So, the bottom line is, now they have to upgrade the equipment AND add more to keep up with the demand. Wasnt that expected anyway? Isnt that supposedly why we always paid outrageous fees for our phone service? Is the idea that they have to actually spend the money collected for the purpose of improvements ON improvements really that outrageous? This isnt about too much demand. Its about new and improved ways to make even MORE money than they already do. Period. __________________________________________________________ Cheryl-squeakers-ME! I am NOT too short...You're just too tall! ( did I mention that I like to bite? ) squeaks@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/squeaks Im not *a* bitch. Im *THE* bitch. Thats MS. Bitch to you! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 19:16:00 1997 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:09:14 -0800 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Clark CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Clark wrote: > > Cheryl, > > Actually, the local phone co's are whining about a *real* problem... > > I can see their problem. I don't like it. But I can understand it. > > Richard H. Clark > Before I accept any whining explainations from the phone co.s about the need for a rate hike or extra charges, I want to see their profit margin, that is, some sort of hard figures as proof. ----------------- Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (previous) AMA # 487634 "The problem with optimists is . . . they can never be pleasantly surprised." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 22:10:41 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:27:17 -0800 From: "David & Alane O'Neill" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yo! Go to Moto Show? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where's a good place to get free tickets in the DC/Alexandria area? HORSTMD@XXXXXX wrote: > > I plan on going up on Saturday. KZ1000 LTD if it's nice, rain bike > (Nissan Stanza) if it's not. I'll be coming up from Woodbridge, VA. > Can meet anywhere if a group gets together. > > Horkster > ---------- > From: BWEINER@XXXXXX > To: DC-Cycles; John Weinstein > Subject: Yo! Go to Moto Show? > Date: Friday, February 07, 1997 8:57AM > > Who's going to the motorcycle show next weekend in B-more? Maybe we > could > go as a group or at least try to meet once there. Ideas? > > Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX > or: rzerols@XXXXXX > "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." > RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 11:20:25 1997 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 11:19:39 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.53 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Fwd: FW: Please Read!! (fwd)] On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 07:28:21 -0500 (EST), John Donovan wrote: > >URBAN LEGEND ALERT > >nuffsaid. WRONG. See http://www.fcc.gov/isp,html Chris Norloff >On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 snap@XXXXXX wrote: > >> This was sent to me: >> >> "Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to >> impose per minute charges for your Internet service. They contend >> that your usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone >> network. >> >> Internet usage will diminish if users were required to pay additional >> per minute charges. The FCC has created an email box for your >> comments, responses must be received by February 13, 1997. Send >> your comments to isp@XXXXXX and tell them what you think. >> >> Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to >> sneak it in just under the wire for litigation. Let everyone you >> know here this one. Get the e-mail address to everyone you can >> think of: >> >> isp@XXXXXX >> >> Please forward this email to all your friends on the Internet >> so all our voices may be heard!" >> >> P. S. If you don't agree with this, then just trash the >> message and not me. I'm just passing it on . . . >> >> Glenn >> > >John Donovan System Administrator Newbridge Networks, Herndon, VA >jdonovan@XXXXXX '96 Ram 1500CC 4x4 5.2 >DOD#-96 '92 GSX1100-G Ramtruck List Admin > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 11:44:12 1997 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 11:44:54 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.53 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read This is true, on the face of it. But if the phone companies moved into the 90's, and acknowledged that these connections need to support data packets (packet-switching) rather than dedicated circuits, then the alleged overloading wouldn't be happening. Also, note the killing the local phone companies make on "providing access" for long-distance calls. Local phone companies get 50% of the charge of a long-distance call (25% of the call for the local phone company on each end of the call -- as large as some local phone companies are now, they get the full 50% for themselves). So phone companies are raking in the bucks for long-distance calls, including data calls, but they won't modernize their system. We need competition here, these local phone companies have grown fat and lazy. Chris Norloff ************************************************************ ******* On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:22:13 -0500 (EST), Richard Clark wrote: > >Cheryl, > >Actually, the local phone co's are whining about a *real* problem... >Not to say that I'm on their side or anything... >But telephone lines and switches were built and laid to handle >a "typical" duration phone call of a couple minutes. Lines, switches, >whatnot are all shared invisibly. With the advent of the internet and ISPs >providing unlimited service, well, the typical phone call is taking >a huge jump from a just a couple minutes to a couple *hours*. Meaning, >that all those lines and switches that could have handled a couple >hundred phone calls are tied up for hours whilest someone does a bit >of on-line shopping... Enough people get on in the evening to tie up >all the available lines, and we end up with not enough left unused to >share betwixt the rest of us who just want to call for a pizza... >So, the phone company has to shell out for more lines, more switches, >and more capacity... Well, they don't want to foot the bill themselves. >And I don't want to pay for other people browsing all evening. So the >logical thing to do is to get rid of unlimited free local phone calls. >If you're on the phone all the time, well then by golly you aught to >pay for it. It's not so much a matter of gouging the public, but rather >trying to charge those who use the system the most. Kiss unlimited free local >calls goodbye. The phone co simply has to find a way to pay for all >the increased demand... > >I can see their problem. I don't like it. But I can understand it. > >Richard H. Clark > > >>From: cheryl >>Subject: Re: [Fwd: FW: Please Read!! (fwd)] >>Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >>> >>>URBAN LEGEND ALERT >>> >>>nuffsaid. >>> >> An urban legend that's on the http://www.fcc.gov web page. Look for >> NPRM(cc docket no. 96-262 and NOI (cc docket no. 96-263) >> >> maybe not such an urban legend after all? Even though the idea that huge >>corporations would be trying to find new ways to gouge the public DOES sound >>totally out of character, it would seem that they're trying to do just that.... >> :P >> >> >>__________________________________________________________ >> Cheryl-squeakers-ME! >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 12:20:44 1997 From: Sanjay Sinha Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:19:51 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9702131642.AA1688@quimby.os2bbs.com> from "Chris Norloff" at Feb 13, 97 11:44:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > This is true, on the face of it. But if the phone > companies moved into the 90's, and acknowledged that these > connections need to support data packets (packet-switching) > rather than dedicated circuits, then the alleged > overloading wouldn't be happening. [ SNIP stuff on phone co's, network design, pricing, costs etc.] how about Metricom's Ricochet modem and its Ricochet Wireless Network. for about 30$ a month you get your usual email, internet access and unlimited online. the reason i bring it up is that 30$ is less than what some of us pay for internet access and a second phone. i just read the review in washington post. this guy tested it all over the place (coffee shops) and it did not seem to bad. try http://www.washingtonpost.com>, click on search, and search for 'wireless' and 'modem'. pulled it right up. i know this is a moto list. i'l get off now! cruise safely :-) sanjay -- Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. DoD #1224 Statistically speaking, i'm safer in Beirut. CB 650 'The Cow' Standard disclaimers apply. VT 700C 'nonameyet' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 12:26:02 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.0 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 12:22:10 -0500 From: "Mehran Firouzbakht" To: Subject: Yo! Go to Moto Show? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What happened to the directions to the Baltimore Convention Center? Anyone know how to get there from 270? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 12:32:28 1997 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:32:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9702131642.AA1688@quimby.os2bbs.com> from "Chris Norloff" at Feb 13, 97 11:44:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff writes: > > This is true, on the face of it. But if the phone > companies moved into the 90's, and acknowledged that these > connections need to support data packets (packet-switching) > rather than dedicated circuits, then the alleged > overloading wouldn't be happening. Agreed. > Also, note the killing the local phone companies make on > "providing access" for long-distance calls. Local phone > companies get 50% of the charge of a long-distance call > (25% of the call for the local phone company on each end of > the call -- as large as some local phone companies are now, > they get the full 50% for themselves). It may not be such a killing after all- the single biggest cost the local telcos have to deal with is the line from their offices to your house. It can cost them upwards of $1000 to run that wire to the pole outside your house. How much can they charge you for that service? $47.00, the last I heard. That figure is fixed by your local public service comission. The phone company made the mistake of ignoring data calls when they were planning for capacity. The average call (not counting data) lasts about 3 minutes. Data calls tend to be much longer. Your average data call has long times of *nothing* being transferred, while you are reading a web-page or whatever. But since the phone company has made digital technology like ISDN prohibitively expensive, they cannot take advantage of the dead-time. Not looking to the future- fault- the telco. > So phone companies are raking in the bucks for > long-distance calls, including data calls, but they won't > modernize their system. > > We need competition here, these local phone companies have > grown fat and lazy. But the competing companies don't want to pay the locals for the money they spent building the infrastructure that has telephones going to 99% of the homes in the US. Give them competition, but don't punish them for doing what we (our public service comission) told them. Admitteldly, the telco is probably asking the competing companies for too much. The Public service comissions need to get a clue and make it to the telco's advantage to modernize. ************ On the subject of motorcycles- Now that I've got the chatterbox, it works great up till about 50mph or so- above that, the wind noise makes it unintelligible (unfaired hawk gt talking to low fairing R100RS) Anyone have other options? ----------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 12:57:57 1997 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:53:29 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yo! Go to Moto Show? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.6 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Baltimore Convention Center is hard to miss...just north of the Camden Yards baseball stadium in the "Inner Harbor" area. From I 270 you can go north to US40 east or take I 95 north from the DC Beltway. YMMV. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 13:19:51 1997 From: Dark Hacker Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:19:33 -0500 (EST) To: mjb@XXXXXX, snap@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: FW: Please Read!! (fwd)] Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Read the docket. It's an interesting issue and not quite as clear-cut as saying "the greedy phone companies just want more money." They *do*, but there are a number of issues, parties and concerns involved. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 13:25:19 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:20:35 -0500 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Yo! Go to Moto Show? To: "Mehran Firouzbakht", Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Yo! Go to Moto Show? From: "Mehran Firouzbakht" at ddn Date: 2/13/97 12:22 PM What happened to the directions to the Baltimore Convention Center? Anyone know how to get there from 270? I do. From 270 North go south on the Capital Beltway to Rt 95 North. Take Rt 95 North into Baltimore. Take the big right sweeper to the Russell Street. After you are on Russell Street, the third light (Pratt) turn right. Follow this street a few blocks, the convention center will be clearly marked on your right side as you approach St. Paul or one of those north/south streets. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 13:35:35 1997 From: Dalmas Randy To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Mehran Firouzbakht'" Subject: RE: Yo! Go to Moto Show? Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:28:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 31 TEXT To get to the Baltimore Convention Center from the Washington Beltway: * take exit 27 for I-95 North to Baltimore; * drive past the Baltimore beltway (I-695) exits * take exit 53 for I-395 and the Inner Harbor. You should also see signs about Oriole Park at Camden Yards. * stay in the left lane and take I-395 to the first light. Camden Yards will be on your left, and the Baltimore Convention Center will be on the right. You may turn right at this light (or the next) to start searching for underground parking, or continue straight and follow signs for parking garages. Parking is plentiful in the Inner Harbor area, but you may have to tour around to find available spaces depending on the time of day. - Randy Dalmas >---------- >From: Mehran Firouzbakht[SMTP:mehran.firouzbakht@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 13, 1997 9:22 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Yo! Go to Moto Show? > > > What happened to the directions to the Baltimore Convention Center? > Anyone know how to get there from 270? > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 13:54:27 1997 From: Dark Hacker Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:53:52 -0500 (EST) To: ivank@XXXXXX, richard@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read Cc: John.Nelson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Regarding profit margins, as I recall the profit margins of the local phone service providers are pretty high. As for Squeaker's contention that the new Internet usage is what we're paying for, the phone companies could hardly have predicted that the phone net would be used to this kind of capacity for this kind of purpose. In the point-to-point circuit switched days it was pretty clear what a long-distance call and what a local call were and they charged accordingly. In fact, in the monopolistic bad old days the long distance service subsidized the local service. Now people are using the local system to make long distance "calls" through the internet. This was unanticipated so they're loosing revenue. I don't think the phone companies could have anticipated the enourmous growth and popularity of the Internet. If predicting the future were that easy, we'd all be zillionaires right? On the other hand, they *should* have reinvested their profits on new facility upgrades or at least saved their pennies for future upgrades. It dooesn't look like they did and their failure to adapt to changing usage patterns is a loss they should dine upon heartily. The phone companies should also have invested in new facilities if only for the sake of improving the reliability and quality of service and planning ahead for the future integration of video (cable) and phone service. Data communications should have factored in too even if the imminence of populist computer usage was not readily apparent at the time. The greedy blinkard twits sat on their laurels and now they should die. - Hacker "There will be much weeping and wailing from both the local and long distance phone companies about how letting the Internet perform their functions or put unusual loads on their facilities is "unfair". Sure, it's unfair; the big meteor was unfair to the dinosaurs, too. Adapt or die, guys." -- Robert Bane From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 13:58:54 1997 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:58:31 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Greer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: No more, please! (Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read) Please, folks, take this discussion to another venue! It is not related to motorcycles. Thank you. Greg '92 Ducati 907ie, in black ---------------- Greg Greer, August Automation, Inc., Software Developers 301-286-5999 at Code 743, NASA/GSFC, Greenbelt, Md. 20771 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 14:26:29 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: No more, please! (Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:25:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 27 TEXT But it is related to the Internet/WWW, the means that we all use to access this list. I read the FCC page. Not being a lawyer, I really can't tell what they are saying. I don't know whether to dismiss this as another urban legend or not. Horkster ---------- From: Greg Greer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: No more, please! (Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read) Date: Thursday, February 13, 1997 1:58PM Please, folks, take this discussion to another venue! It is not related to motorcycles. Thank you. Greg '92 Ducati 907ie, in black ---------------- Greg Greer, August Automation, Inc., Software Developers 301-286-5999 at Code 743, NASA/GSFC, Greenbelt, Md. 20771 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 16:31:12 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:49:03 -0500 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: 1985 Ninja-ja-ja To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part A 1985 Ninja for sale. Red over white. Fair condition, can run. Brakes reconditioned recently. Right fairing is cracked a little. $1000 OBO No aftermarket parts, all stock. Hasn't been ridden in two years. jjmcourt@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 16:43:16 1997 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:36:04 -0500 (EST) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: HORSTMD@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: No more, please! (Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Computer prices are also related to the internet, which is related to the motorcycle list-serv. ergonomics (sp?) are also related to our ability to type in comfort while writing to the motorcycle list-serv. standards for computer-based communications are also related to the ability of computers to talk and therefore allow us to read the information posted to a motorcycle list-serv. but they have nothing to do with motorcycles. With all due respect, please find an alternative forum in which to discuss the pricing of telephone communications services. thank you for your continued support john From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 17:02:04 1997 From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: 1985 Ninja-ja-ja Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:59:05 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 21 TEXT That's the equivalent of saying "I have a Plymouth for sale"! ie. you need to be a little more specific. Amit >-----Original Message----- >From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX [SMTP:Dave_Choat@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, February 13, 1997 3:49 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: 1985 Ninja-ja-ja > > A 1985 Ninja for sale. > Red over white. > Fair condition, can run. > Brakes reconditioned recently. > Right fairing is cracked a little. > $1000 OBO > No aftermarket parts, all stock. > Hasn't been ridden in two years. > > jjmcourt@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 17:41:56 1997 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:41:28 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) From: coresys@XXXXXX (Mike Hartley) Subject: List Unsubscribe dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) coresys@XXXXXX (Mike Hartley) Mike Hartley 10636 Breezewood Drive Woodstock, Maryland 21163 coresys@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 19:18:42 1997 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:05:00 -0500 X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: John Blaine Godfrey , HORSTMD@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: RE: No more, please! (Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was TEMPTED to point out that the threat of per minute phone internet charges might be of interest to everyone that accesses the internet thru their home telephones, INCLUDING those that subscribe to this list, but decided against it. I was even tempted to point out that if you arent interested in this particular subject line, you can always just delete the messages without reading them, but decided against that, too. I MIGHT have even added that hiding your head, pretending something doesnt exist, and hoping others will take care of it for you doesnt really work very well. But I didnt. Sometimes I amaze myself with my incredible self control. really, I do. At 04:36 PM 2/13/97 -0500, John Blaine Godfrey wrote: >Computer prices are also related to the internet, which is related to the >motorcycle list-serv. > >ergonomics (sp?) are also related to our ability to type in >comfort while writing to the motorcycle list-serv. > >standards for computer-based communications are also related to the >ability of computers to talk and therefore allow us to read the >information posted to a motorcycle list-serv. > >but they have nothing to do with motorcycles. > >With all due respect, please find an alternative forum in which to >discuss the pricing of telephone communications services. > >thank you for your continued support > >john > > > __________________________________________________________ Cheryl-squeakers-ME! I am NOT too short...You're just too tall! ( did I mention that I like to bite? ) squeaks@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/squeaks Im not *a* bitch. Im *THE* bitch. Thats MS. Bitch to you! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 19:58:15 1997 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 beta 12 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:33:20 -0500 To: Stephen Harris , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Re: Yo! Go to Moto Show? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970211091104.00727470@mail.his.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:11 AM 2/11/97 -0500, Stephen Harris wrote: > I'll be working the MARRC booth on Sunday 1-3. After that I will be >getting drunk somewhere, undoubtedly from telling lies about how fast I >ride motorcycles on the track...:-) And I will try to be there to reveal the TRUTH, about Steve riding and my utter domination of the EX500s-with-FZR600-fairings class. rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 20:24:41 1997 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 beta 12 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:10:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: RE: 1985 Ninja-ja-ja In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:59 PM 2/13/97 -0500, Amit Chatterjie wrote: >That's the equivalent of saying "I have a Plymouth for sale"! >ie. you need to be a little more specific. More info is always best, but a 1985 red and white ninja can only mean one model, and is therefore quite specific. rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 20:24:46 1997 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 beta 12 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:09:12 -0500 To: DC-Cycles List From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: telecommunications In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970213190626.0bc75dd0@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >messages without reading them, but decided against that, too. I MIGHT have >even added that hiding your head, pretending something doesnt exist, and >hoping others will take care of it for you doesnt really work very well. But >I didnt. Sometimes I amaze myself with my incredible self control. really, I Not only is the telecommunications discussion inappropriate for this list, users have asked that it be taken elsewhere. This does not imply dis-interest, nor does it imply that dc-cycles listers are ignoring the topic. It just means stop posting the topic on this list. Many people read more than one list, check more than one web page, and communicate through more then just the internet. I read this list to hear about biking and bikers in the DC area. Period. If it's not related, no matter how important you think it is, don't post it. self-control re-established, rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 21:02:52 1997 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:02:31 -0500 X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Rich and Leslie Sturges From: Squeakers Subject: Re: telecommunications Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Not only is the telecommunications discussion inappropriate for this >list, users have asked that it be taken elsewhere. Some did not. I will not be censored because one or two people decide they dont want to hear about something. I already said what I had to say about it, and hadnt intended to say more, but this has become an entirely different issue. There will always be some people who dont want to hear what you say, or dont agree with you, or for whatever reason disagree with what you've said or done. As I already said, if you arent interested in something, delete it. As I already do to those topics that dont interest me. I wont try and censor you, and I wont allow you to censor me. I didnt START this topic, but I was interested in it. Since a few others ALSO posted to it, it would seem they were too. Now its over. __________________________________________________________ Cheryl-squeakers-ME! I am NOT too short...You're just too tall! ( did I mention that I like to bite? ) squeaks@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/squeaks Im not *a* bitch. Im *THE* bitch. Thats MS. Bitch to you! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 21:18:43 1997 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:18:29 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: hooking up electric clothing... >i am looking for some tips on how to set up the wiring for running my >electric vest and gloves on my 87 shadow. > I use the Radio Shack heavy duty polarized connecter. Use the female connector on the bike, and the male for the wire that goes to the vest. I've also got a few other things that I can hook up in-between (eg map light) and wire them up with both kinds of plugs. To allow it to disconnect when I walk away, I cut the catch off of the male connector. On the accessory plugs which I don't want to disconnect, I don't cut that off. Since it's polarized, I can just connect a male to the battery charger and plug it in any time. Another option is to buy the Widder plugs, you can order them from Widder for $1 each, shipping is $2.50. I use Widder plugs on my vest, gloves and Gerbing socks. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 21:53:00 1997 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:52:13 -0500 X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) From: Squeakers Subject: Re: telecommunications Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >About as many people have asked you (and others) to take it elsewhere >as have participated in it. Do you insist that *everyone* complain >before you take it offline? If so, add me to the list of complaintants. > > >-- >Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! >3 Hondas, 3 Kawasakis & 6 Suzukis +-----+ I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" >AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, VJMC, DoD #0224 |_____--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" > > Actually, Bill, that isnt quite accurate BUT.. I was under the impression that the only reason this thread is still alive is because of the people that are now complaining about it. I believe the actual original thread is already dead. I still dont see why people have such a hard time using a delete button. I was interested in the post, so i read it and responded. Others did too. If no one had been interested, then the original post would have gone by unnoticed with no responses. How many people have to be interested in something before its allowed to be posted on this list? The original poster obviously thought that the legislation was important enough to most internet users to temporarily interrupt discussions of electric vests and sundry. Perhaps now that the actual thread is gone, you can go back to your other threads without any more multiplexing. We all know that men cant handle more than one thread at a time. so shut up already. __________________________________________________________ Cheryl-squeakers-ME! I am NOT too short...You're just too tall! ( did I mention that I like to bite? ) squeaks@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/squeaks Im not *a* bitch. Im *THE* bitch. Thats MS. Bitch to you! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 22:57:28 1997 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 03:56:08 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: leavitt@XXXXXX, squeaks@XXXXXX Subject: Re: telecommunications Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX i == I wrote in PRIVATE email: i> About as many people have asked you (and others) to take it elsewhere i> as have participated in it. Do you insist that *everyone* complain i> before you take it offline? If so, add me to the list of complaintants. s == Squeakers replies to All: s> Actually, Bill, that isnt quite accurate BUT.. I was under the s> impression that the only reason this thread is still alive is because of the s> people that are now complaining about it. *I* didn't send the above message to the group. You sought to insert dc-cycles into the reply distribution to my PRIVATE message. This is a SEVERE breach of 'Netiquette! It is YOU and YOU ALONE who is keeping this thread alive at this point. The ONLY reason I'm posting this back to the group is to CALL you on it! If you *really* wish to see this thread die, as you SO ARDENTLY claim you do, drop it NOW! Any bets that she can? I'm giving long odds. s> I believe the actual original thread is already dead. I still dont see s> why people have such a hard time using a delete button. I was interested s> in the post, so i read it and responded. Others did too. If no one had s> been interested, then the original post would have gone by unnoticed s> with no responses. How many people have to be interested in something s> before its allowed to be posted on this list? I answered this in the PRIVATE email I sent you. Since you seem to have _accidently_ snipped that portion when you responded above, I'll repeat it below for All: i> As Rich and others have pointed out, this is dc-CYCLES, not some random i> chat-room. Motorcycle-specific threads are welcome, other threads are i> not. This is Charter, not censorship. If you want to discuss how FCC i> legislation is going to effect your use of the 'Net and your 1st Amendment i> rights, I suggest you start your own mailing list to discuss these issues. s> Im not *a* bitch. Im *THE* bitch. Thats MS. Bitch to you! Certainly no argument there... Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! 3 Hondas, 3 Kawasakis & 6 Suzukis +-----+ I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, VJMC, DoD #0224 |_____--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 07:55:11 1997 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Matthew Whalen Subject: new bike Pgp-Action: signclear Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 07:54:48 -0500 Sender: mwhalen@XXXXXX I'm in the market for a new bike and was just wondering some people's opinions on the options that I'm looking at currently.. WHen I started out, I was intending to focus mostly on sport-tourers, but I've wavered on that some. I've ridden none of the bike on my list yet - I'm waiting for a nice day that everything fits together (dealer is ready, I rode my bike into work so I have my leathers, helmet, etc.). I'm now looking at: '97 Buell S3T: It seems very confortable to sit on and I think I could go the entire day without becoming uncomfortable. On the downside, I haven't found anyplace that will let me demo ride one (they haven't been delivered to the dealers yet, although the S3 has). The closest I've gotten to a demo of the S3 is from a dealer that my sister knows in NC and an S1 up here. I've heard very mixed reviews about the Buell's reliability. '97 Triumph T595: I like it, but there's no hope of getting one since they've all apparently been sold (had deposits taken) for this model year. Other Triumphs.. I wasn't even considering Triumph until a couple of weeks ago.. there are 96's around yet to be sold and some of the '97s are gettable. Since my current bike (which I'm planning on keeping) is a Harley, you can probably imagine that I'd prefer to stick with a US manufacturer, but that only means Buell. Does anyone that reads this list own a Buell? Are you happy? What about the Triumphs? Thanks for any info.. -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX '94 Harley-Davidson Sportster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 08:10:18 1997 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:09:37 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Baltimore Bike Show A friend of mine saw the show in NYC last week and said it was great. Be sure to check out the new 130 HP BMW street bike and the new Triumph w/FI. Steve PS: All owners of BMW GSPDs are required to ride up in the snow. 86 R-65 (retired) 85 Reynard FF (active) 88 Landcruiser (unstoppable) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 09:01:55 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:02:35 -0400 Subject: Re: telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=okriwrSXUbK675sMexU0D2fNMXWb5UnLh0msbaPknQy3q6iu6J9YGEMD" --0__=okriwrSXUbK675sMexU0D2fNMXWb5UnLh0msbaPknQy3q6iu6J9YGEMD Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII And we all know that women must get in the last word. (Embedded image moved squeaks @ erols.com to file: 02/13/97 09:52 PM PIC28983.PCX) To: leavitt @ cs.umd.edu cc: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu (bcc: Steve Beck/ISI) Subject: Re: telecommunications >About as many people have asked you (and others) to take it elsewhere >as have participated in it. Do you insist that *everyone* complain >before you take it offline? If so, add me to the list of complaintants. > > >-- >Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! >3 Hondas, 3 Kawasakis & 6 Suzukis +-----+ I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" >AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, VJMC, DoD #0224 |_____--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" > > Actually, Bill, that isnt quite accurate BUT.. I was under the impression that the only reason this thread is still alive is because of the people that are now complaining about it. I believe the actual original thread is already dead. I still dont see why people have such a hard time using a delete button. I was interested in the post, so i read it and responded. Others did too. If no one had been interested, then the original post would have gone by unnoticed with no responses. How many people have to be interested in something before its allowed to be posted on this list? The original poster obviously thought that the legislation was important enough to most internet users to temporarily interrupt discussions of electric vests and sundry. Perhaps now that the actual thread is gone, you can go back to your other threads without any more multiplexing. We all know that men cant handle more than one thread at a time. so shut up already. __________________________________________________________ Cheryl-squeakers-ME! I am NOT too short...You're just too tall! ( did I mention that I like to bite? ) squeaks@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/squeaks Im not *a* bitch. Im *THE* bitch. Thats MS. 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(Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:19:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 66 TEXT Squeakers, My hat's off to you. There's nobody who can not talk about a subject like you can. :-) Horkster ---------- From: Squeakers To: Horstman, Dale R @ MAN; John Blaine Godfrey Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: No more, please! (Re: Fwd: FW: Please Read) Date: Thursday, February 13, 1997 7:05PM I was TEMPTED to point out that the threat of per minute phone internet charges might be of interest to everyone that accesses the internet thru their home telephones, INCLUDING those that subscribe to this list, but decided against it. I was even tempted to point out that if you arent interested in this particular subject line, you can always just delete the messages without reading them, but decided against that, too. I MIGHT have even added that hiding your head, pretending something doesnt exist, and hoping others will take care of it for you doesnt really work very well. But I didnt. Sometimes I amaze myself with my incredible self control. really, I do. At 04:36 PM 2/13/97 -0500, John Blaine Godfrey wrote: >Computer prices are also related to the internet, which is related to the >motorcycle list-serv. > >ergonomics (sp?) are also related to our ability to type in >comfort while writing to the motorcycle list-serv. > >standards for computer-based communications are also related to the >ability of computers to talk and therefore allow us to read the >information posted to a motorcycle list-serv. > >but they have nothing to do with motorcycles. > >With all due respect, please find an alternative forum in which to >discuss the pricing of telephone communications services. > >thank you for your continued support > >john > > > __________________________________________________________ Cheryl-squeakers-ME! I am NOT too short...You're just too tall! ( did I mention that I like to bite? ) squeaks@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/squeaks Im not *a* bitch. Im *THE* bitch. Thats MS. Bitch to you! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 09:20:55 1997 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 09:30:28 edt From: "Michael Dow" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sbeck@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: telecommunications All's fair in love and (flame) war(s). ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: telecommunications Author: sbeck@XXXXXX at smtpgw Date: 2/14/97 9:17 AM --0__=okriwrSXUbK675sMexU0D2fNMXWb5UnLh0msbaPknQy3q6iu6J9YGEMD Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII And we all know that women must get in the last word. (Embedded image moved squeaks @ erols.com to file: 02/13/97 09:52 PM PIC28983.PCX) To: leavitt @ cs.umd.edu cc: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu (bcc: Steve Beck/ISI) Subject: Re: telecommunications >About as many people have asked you (and others) to take it elsewhere >as have participated in it. Do you insist that *everyone* complain >before you take it offline? If so, add me to the list of complaintants. > > >-- >Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! >3 Hondas, 3 Kawasakis & 6 Suzukis +-----+ I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" >AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, VJMC, DoD #0224 |_____--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" > > Actually, Bill, that isnt quite accurate BUT.. I was under the impression that the only reason this thread is still alive is because of the people that are now complaining about it. I believe the actual original thread is already dead. I still dont see why people have such a hard time using a delete button. I was interested in the post, so i read it and responded. Others did too. If no one had been interested, then the original post would have gone by unnoticed with no responses. How many people have to be interested in something before its allowed to be posted on this list? The original poster obviously thought that the legislation was important enough to most internet users to temporarily interrupt discussions of electric vests and sundry. Perhaps now that the actual thread is gone, you can go back to your other threads without any more multiplexing. We all know that men cant handle more than one thread at a time. so shut up already. __________________________________________________________ Cheryl-squeakers-ME! I am NOT too short...You're just too tall! ( did I mention that I like to bite? ) squeaks@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/squeaks Im not *a* bitch. Im *THE* bitch. Thats MS. 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With the way my mail program is set up, I have to add the dc-cycles list address manually to the cc everytime I post on the list. So, it wasnt that I decided to take anything private out into the open. I just didnt pay enough attention to it to notice it WAS private. It really wasnt that serious to me. __________________________________________________________ Cheryl-squeakers-ME! I am NOT too short...You're just too tall! ( did I mention that I like to bite? ) squeaks@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/squeaks Im not *a* bitch. Im *THE* bitch. Thats MS. Bitch to you! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 10:04:56 1997 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:04:29 -0500 X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sbeck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: telecommunications Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >And we all know that women must get in the last word. Thats just not true. __________________________________________________________ Cheryl-squeakers-ME! I am NOT too short...You're just too tall! ( did I mention that I like to bite? ) squeaks@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/squeaks Im not *a* bitch. Im *THE* bitch. Thats MS. Bitch to you! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 10:14:35 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:54:50 -0500 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Baltimore Bike Show To: SRFox@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Which Beemer was it with 130 hp? The K1200 ? That bike has adjustable everything. Probably so you can still ride it after it yanks your arms out of their sockets. :)>. Dave _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Baltimore Bike Show From: SRFox@XXXXXX at ddn Date: 2/14/97 8:09 AM A friend of mine saw the show in NYC last week and said it was great. Be sure to check out the new 130 HP BMW street bike and the new Triumph w/FI. Steve PS: All owners of BMW GSPDs are required to ride up in the snow. 86 R-65 (retired) 85 Reynard FF (active) 88 Landcruiser (unstoppable) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 11:51:25 1997 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:48:51 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: telecommunications sbeck@XXXXXX wibbles: > And we all know that women must get in the last word. IMO, gender has nothing to do with it. I've seen lots of men who can't drop a thread without getting the last word in as well. That's a whole separate issue, and it's not at all based on what you've got in your shorts. Let's just get back to motorcycles, eh? Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! 3 Hondas, 3 Kawasakis & 6 Suzukis +-----+ I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, VJMC, DoD #0224 |_____--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 15:43:39 1997 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 15:42:03 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) From: Squeakers Subject: Re: telecommunications Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >sbeck@XXXXXX wibbles: >> And we all know that women must get in the last word. > >IMO, gender has nothing to do with it. I've seen lots of men who can't >drop a thread without getting the last word in as well. That's a whole >separate issue, and it's not at all based on what you've got in your shorts. > >Let's just get back to motorcycles, eh? > >Mr. Bill > BILLY!! It was a joke... (still getting in the last word) __________________________________________________________ Cheryl-squeakers-ME! I am NOT too short...You're just too tall! ( did I mention that I like to bite? ) squeaks@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/squeaks Im not *a* bitch. Im *THE* bitch. Thats MS. Bitch to you! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 16:11:32 1997 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:37:51 -0800 From: Bryndyn Weiner X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Moto show and Sissson's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't forget to go to Sisson's brew pub while your at the B-more moto show. Meet @ 1pm. The directions as provided by john schaff are below. Hope to see some of you. Too bad the weather will suck. let's assume everyone is coming up from DC and gets off on 395 Inner Harbor exit. At this point your at the inner harbor and you can only turn left or right (unless that is you want to go swimming...in that case by all means please proceed straight). turn right on light street and proceed past the science center. continue straight on light street (which bears right just after the science center). proceed until you get to cross street, turn right and sissons is 36 east cross street. i'm not responsible for parking. albeit, there is a parking lot on west street, behind the market. parking is cheap there. take light street past cross street and turn right on west street. sissons phone is 410 539-2093. -- Bryndyn Weiner email: rzbean@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 20:35:28 1997 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 21:38:17 -0800 From: "David & Alane O'Neill" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: free tickets to the baltimore bike show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know how to get some? (sorry about the tease, but nobody responded to my last post) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 08:24:23 1997 Date: Sat Feb 15 08:22:39 1997 X-Mailer: Panda-2.0e From: Brian McCoy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: vfr@XXXXXX Subject: D.C. Ride Well, about a month (possibly a little more) back there were a long string of comments about touring in D.C. on a motorcycle. I stood by and watched one person (Chris Meier) defend his city. Through private e-mail, I set up a morning with him as a tour guide through his city. This would be the first time I'd ventured into the city propper on my bike... but I had total faith (probbaly because I'm still wet behind the ears *grin*). Well, ouyr arranged meeting point was in the congressional parking spots infront of the U.S. Capitol.. kinda looking at the small reflecting pool. Meeting time, 9am.. I rolled in about 9:05am or so, to find Chris and Bill McCloone standing arround chatting. We waited till arround 9:30 and were joined by one other lister on a Suzuki Intruder (sorry, I've completely forgotten your name). We grabbed some maps, and kinda hit on where we'd be heading. Great... Jump on the bikes, fire them up and off we go.. I'd give an account of the path we followed, but I don't have any clue myself. It was just a basic tour of the city, and some of it's less notable monuments (I.E. we didn't hit the main monuments). I learned that the city is NOT that bad to ride arround.. though I'm sure it changes drastically at times other than Saturday morning at 9:30am.. wouldn't care to be down there at 4:30 Friday afternoon. There are some very pretty places to ride down there, and I'm sure we didn't even really hit a majortiy of them. Who would have imagined cruising down a 2- laner lined by trees with few other cars in sight? Certainly not myself. All in all, it was a great ride.. noone shot at us, noone tried to kill us in any way actually... the infamous pot-holes aren't that bad along the route we took.. though I was informed that there were some streets to avoid. My only complaint was that I didn't know when we were passing points of interest. If you were to take a tour with a guide by motorcycle, communicators would be a must... otherwise it'd be more for the person who's not to interested in what everything is, or is already familiar with what's where.. and you're just going to go see it. I don't feel that D.C. is a bad place to ride at all... I've lived in the D.C. Metro area for about 6 months now, rieing the whole time.. and have only had one incident.. and that was right near a school, as it let out... I'd welcome any riders to contact me personally about my experiences, or if you have questions... I' even be so bold as to offer to arrange a tour with you if you so wanted... Keep it safe... --- Brian McCoy http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 '86 Honda VF500F - Scrappy bmccoy2@XXXXXX Working hard Today for those Dreams of Tomorrow.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 16:58:58 1997 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:00:13 -0800 From: "David & Alane O'Neill" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Baltimore International (Harley) Bike Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Went, saw, and it was mostly harley stuff with a smattering of sport bikes thrown in from area dealers. Not worth my time and $12 IMHO. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 20:19:56 1997 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 20:17:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Clark E. Dorman" X-Sender: dorman@cox To: "David & Alane O'Neill" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Baltimore International (Harley) Bike Show In-Reply-To: <33066A2D.3B18@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, David & Alane O'Neill wrote: > Went, saw, and it was mostly harley stuff with a smattering of sport > bikes thrown in from area dealers. > > Not worth my time and $12 IMHO. I had never been to a show before so I wasn't sure what to expect. Since I'm also new to motorcycles in general, it was good to see, sit on, and talk to the dealers about the different bikes, see the new models, and not feel too much of the sales pressure. I've decided that I just don't like the riding position of any of the sportsbikes. The custom bikes were interesting, but since 1) I'm not really into Harley's and 2) I can't imagine spending that much time/money/effort on something that clearly cannot be ridden anymore, my interest is more from amazement than anything else. Brightly colored and chromed motorcycles all begin to look the same after a while. There seemed to be a severe shortage of non-Harley equipment and riding gear. I would think that Shoei / Bell, Aerostich, Hein Gericke, etc. would have had booths but they didn't. If you wanted something with H.D. embossed, embroidered, or stamped on it, you could probably have found it. I would say that I enjoyed it, but it definitely was not worth the cost $12, plus parking ($4.50), plus food ($3 for a hot dog?). I know the food is not their fault, but really was a little much. -- Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 21:11:36 1997 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:09:15 -0500 (EST) From: my own worst nightmare To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Baltimore International (Harley) Bike Show In-Reply-To: <33066A2D.3B18@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, David & Alane O'Neill wrote: > Went, saw, and it was mostly harley stuff with a smattering of sport > bikes thrown in from area dealers. > Not worth my time and $12 IMHO. $12????? the REAL int'l show in NYC was only $11, and i thought that a bit much. sheesh - i work in a dealership, and i know it was a dealer only show in baltimore, not a true int'l show put on by the factories - (we weren't there and now i think i know why) - looks like someone pocketed a lot of money for a show that didn't have a lot of companies that we want to see. cancel my trip to baltimore - and thanks for the info. seth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 21:33:59 1997 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:34:13 +0000 From: Bryndyn Weiner X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Baltimore International (Harley) Bike Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David & Alane O'Neill wrote: > > Went, saw, and it was mostly harley stuff with a smattering of sport > bikes thrown in from area dealers. > > Not worth my time and $12 IMHO. I don't mean any offense to HD, HD riders, HD imitators, or any HD rider/imitator wanna-be but I gotta get this off my chest. I'M SICK OF HD!!! Whew, wow, that felt good. In short, the show sucked. Unless of course you like HD. Where were the exotic bikes live Bimota, Laverda, Aprilia, etc? Where were the "streetfighter" sport bikes? Where was the racing apparel? Where the heck were the new Honda and Sukuzi v-twins? If it weren't for meeting some racing enthusiasts at the MARRC stand, a couple fellow 2-strokers, and John it would have been a total waste of time. Battley's showroom is more interesting and they HAVE HDs. Was there another room that I missed? Did I go to the wrong convention center? Next year I'll just have to go to Paris or Milan I guess. One of the better parts of the day was meeting up with the only other person (John) who went to Sisson's. Great beer, good food, and interesting conversation. Missed y'all. To top it off, only one of the five bikini-clad girls was worth looking at twice. (I hope I didn't just insult someone's girlfriend.) Bryndyn "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." email: rzbean@XXXXXX RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 21:40:45 1997 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:35:39 -0500 (EST) From: my own worst nightmare To: Bryndyn Weiner cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Baltimore International (Harley) Bike Show In-Reply-To: <33062BD5.65EF@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Bryndyn Weiner wrote: > Where the heck > were the new Honda and Sukuzi v-twins? > Bryndyn > "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." email: rzbean@XXXXXX > RZ350, CB-1 simple - it was a dealer only show - dealers don't have them yet. factories not there, no unreleased bikes. seth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 16 01:11:00 1997 From: AJohn78326@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 01:10:04 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unsubscribe Unsubscribe AJohn78326@XXXXXX dc-cycles@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 16 01:52:37 1997 From: Dark Hacker Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 01:51:03 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rzbean@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Baltimore International (Harley) Bike Show Cc: hacker@XXXXXX From: Bryndyn Weiner Subject: Re: Baltimore International (Harley) Bike Show Where were the exotic bikes live Bimota, Laverda, Aprilia, etc? Where were the "streetfighter" sport bikes? Where was Out on the street, unlike the many custom Harleys we saw. the racing apparel? Where the heck were the new Honda and Sukuzi v-twins? If it weren't for meeting some racing Hi all. John Nelson here. I was wondering about the notable absence of the Suzi TL1000 too. At least they had the new Honda Super Blackbird, CBR XX. The new Yamaha YZF is quite nice too. And the Ducati's. The Baltimore Bike Show clearly leans towards Harley riders so I guess you won't find more exotic bikes or high quality accessory dealers. Next year its the New York Show for me. guess. One of the better parts of the day was meeting up with the only other person (John) who went to Sisson's. Great beer, good food, and interesting conversation. Missed y'all. Sisson's is a nice homey brew-pub. Their stout is EXCELLENT! To top it off, only one of the five bikini-clad girls was worth looking at twice. (I hope I didn't just insult someone's girlfriend.) Yes, girl number 1 was quite nice although I still dig girl number 5... the fitness trainer. Sure you aren't just jealous 'cause the Budweiser girl gave me a keychain? - Dark Hacker (aka John Nelson, CAMS VP of Fork Oil) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 16 08:23:51 1997 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 08:23:42 -0500 From: scot kight X-Sender: scot kight (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b1 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Whalen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new bike X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------1A6253A155BE1" ------------1A6253A155BE1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My personal suggestion would be Ducati :> They are red, fast, as beautiful. And the sound.. Music so sweet.. :> I have ridden a buell.. Nice bike, very different feeling then other bikes.. But terrible in traffic and around town.. its definitly an open road bike. Unfortunatly Ducati isnt much better in town.. Mostly its the clutch, its just hard enough to get your muscles burning after about 10 mintues of traffic. Other then that, no biggie. The only other bike I concidered before deciding on a ducati 900ss/cr was a VFR750.. Great bike, powerful, smoothe, but no real character. I like the ducati more :> As far as triumphs, the 595 is incredible.. Havent ridden it, but I would love to. Battley's will probably say something like this if you ask them.. "Yeah the bikes are sold out, but we MIGHT be able to get you one, for a little extra." What kinda ride are you looking for? Buell is more sporty then a harley, and a 595 being more then that. You could also try a ducati monster, but you have to love them in the first place.. Or know someone with one, they are an aquired taste. The 900ss I have has a corbin seat, which turns the only problem on longer trips into a non issue. 4-6 hours in the saddle with a corbin and I am ready for more. Bags fit the bike fine, just dont scratch the paint up. If you are concerned about repairs and maintainence.. Wanna talk to a few people who have 25k plus miles on their ducatis? With nothing other then standard service? Ducati is actually a damn relible bike. But you must follow the instructions to the letter. Change oil often, get the tuneups BREAK IT IN CORRECTLY.. and by gawd, make sure the dealership tunes up the bike BEFORE you take it. Well I am ducati's salesman by choice.. I love the bikes and wish everyone else understood why :> (most just think they cant afford them, but by your choice of bikes, you definitly can) Scot 95 900ss/cr - Stage 2 - Corbin Seat 93 Mazda Rx-7 - Black Nothing else, just had one more line to fill :> ------------1A6253A155BE1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
My personal suggestion would be Ducati :>
 
They are red, fast, as beautiful.  And the sound.. Music so sweet.. :>
 
I have ridden a buell.. Nice bike, very different feeling then other bikes.. But terrible in traffic and around town.. its definitly an open road bike.  
 
Unfortunatly Ducati isnt much better in town.. Mostly its the clutch, its just hard enough to get your muscles burning after about 10 mintues of traffic. Other then that, no biggie.
 
The only other bike I concidered before deciding on a ducati 900ss/cr was a VFR750..  Great bike, powerful, smoothe, but no real character.  I like the ducati more :> As far as triumphs, the 595 is incredible.. Havent ridden it, but I would love to.  Battley's will probably say something like this if you ask them.. "Yeah the bikes are sold out, but we MIGHT be able to get you one, for a little extra."
 
What kinda ride are you looking for?  Buell is more sporty then a harley, and a 595 being more then that.  You could also try a ducati monster, but you have to love them in the first place.. Or know someone with one, they are an aquired taste.  
 
The 900ss I have has a corbin seat, which turns the only problem on longer trips into a non issue.  4-6 hours in the saddle with a corbin and I am ready for more.  Bags fit the bike fine, just dont scratch the paint up.  If you are concerned about repairs and maintainence.. Wanna talk to a few people who have 25k plus miles on their ducatis?  With nothing other then standard service?
 
Ducati is actually a damn relible bike.  But you must follow the instructions to the letter.  Change oil often, get the tuneups BREAK IT IN CORRECTLY.. and by gawd, make sure the dealership tunes up the bike BEFORE you take it.
 
Well I am ducati's salesman by choice.. I love the bikes and wish everyone else understood why :>  (most just think they cant afford them, but by your choice of bikes, you definitly can)
 
Scot
95 900ss/cr - Stage 2 - Corbin Seat
93 Mazda Rx-7 - Black
Nothing else, just had one more line to fill :>
 
------------1A6253A155BE1-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 16 09:19:28 1997 Date: Sun Feb 16 09:16:25 1997 X-Mailer: Panda-2.0e From: Brian McCoy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Spontaniaty anyone? It's Sunday morning, looks nice out... anyone wanna go for an afternoon ride? I have no idea any routes/roads... because I don't know the area... but I'd love to tag along with someone.. either spirited or not, just wanna go out and ride... I'll keep checking till about noon... then I'll be forced to try and find something myself... ride safe.. --- Brian McCoy http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 '86 Honda VF500F - Scrappy bmccoy2@XXXXXX Working hard Today for those Dreams of Tomorrow.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 16 17:13:19 1997 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 17:14:55 +0000 From: Bryndyn Weiner X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Dark Hacker Subject: Re: Baltimore International (Harley) Bike Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dark Hacker wrote: > Yes, girl number 1 was quite nice although I still dig girl number > 5... the fitness trainer. Sure you aren't just jealous 'cause the > Budweiser girl gave me a keychain? > > - Dark Hacker (aka John Nelson, CAMS VP of Fork Oil) Oh yeah, well, the guy at that new moto mag. stand said he would send me the first issue for free. Okay, that wasn't as good but, when was the last time you got a free beer for changing the tv channel for the bar maid? What was it that guy said to you as we left the bar...? I'll never tell. Bryndyn "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." email: rzbean@XXXXXX RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 08:55:00 1997 From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: D.C. Ride Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 08:54:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 116 TEXT Thanks for the report, Brian. As one of those naysayers who hacked the District during those post wars you talked about, I'm glad you had a good trip. I never considered a ride early on Saturday morning. Hmmm, interesting... Horkster 'The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 (`Scooter` - Named at Last) 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 (The Wife`s Ride) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (Mine all mine!!!) ---------- From: Brian McCoy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: vfr@XXXXXX Subject: D.C. Ride Date: Saturday, February 15, 1997 3:22AM Well, about a month (possibly a little more) back there were a long string of comments about touring in D.C. on a motorcycle. I stood by and watched one person (Chris Meier) defend his city. Through private e-mail, I set up a morning with him as a tour guide through his city. This would be the first time I'd ventured into the city propper on my bike... but I had total faith (probbaly because I'm still wet behind the ears *grin*). Well, ouyr arranged meeting point was in the congressional parking spots infront of the U.S. Capitol.. kinda looking at the small reflecting pool. Meeting time, 9am.. I rolled in about 9:05am or so, to find Chris and Bill McCloone standing arround chatting. We waited till arround 9:30 and were joined by one other lister on a Suzuki Intruder (sorry, I've completely forgotten your name). We grabbed some maps, and kinda hit on where we'd be heading. Great... Jump on the bikes, fire them up and off we go.. I'd give an account of the path we followed, but I don't have any clue myself. It was just a basic tour of the city, and some of it's less notable monuments (I.E. we didn't hit the main monuments). I learned that the city is NOT that bad to ride arround.. though I'm sure it changes drastically at times other than Saturday morning at 9:30am.. wouldn't care to be down there at 4:30 Friday afternoon. There are some very pretty places to ride down there, and I'm sure we didn't even really hit a majortiy of them. Who would have imagined cruising down a 2- laner lined by trees with few other cars in sight? Certainly not myself. All in all, it was a great ride.. noone shot at us, noone tried to kill us in any way actually... the infamous pot-holes aren't that bad along the route we took.. though I was informed that there were some streets to avoid. My only complaint was that I didn't know when we were passing points of interest. If you were to take a tour with a guide by motorcycle, communicators would be a must... otherwise it'd be more for the person who's not to interested in what everything is, or is already familiar with what's where.. and you're just going to go see it. I don't feel that D.C. is a bad place to ride at all... I've lived in the D.C. Metro area for about 6 months now, rieing the whole time.. and have only had one incident.. and that was right near a school, as it let out... I'd welcome any riders to contact me personally about my experiences, or if you have questions... I' even be so bold as to offer to arrange a tour with you if you so wanted... Keep it safe... --- Brian McCoy http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 '86 Honda VF500F - Scrappy bmccoy2@XXXXXX Working hard Today for those Dreams of Tomorrow.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 12:13:30 1997 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 beta 12 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:42:45 -0500 To: Matthew Whalen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Re: new bike In-Reply-To: <199702141254.HAA03659@bman.uucom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:54 AM 2/14/97 -0500, Matthew Whalen wrote: >I'm in the market for a new bike and was just wondering... >'97 Buell S3T: >'97 Triumph T595: I think you'd be happy with either; both are nice bikes. >Since my current bike (which I'm planning on keeping) is >a Harley, you can probably imagine that I'd prefer to >stick with a US manufacturer, but that only means Buell. Sticking to a USA bike is, of course, very limiting. My thinking is this; if I have a choice between two objects, I give heavy preference to the one made by my countrymen. It is a factor in the purchase decision, not the driving force. Concerning bikes, I like a race-style bike and have no domestic market to choose from. (or at least none that interest me). rich, who's very happy to talk about bikes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 13:59:29 1997 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 beta 12 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 13:51:13 -0500 To: DC-Cycles List , Racing List From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: vidoes for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have 17 video tapes for sale, $2 each plus shipping. Sold as a lot only. Unfortunately these video already contain various bike races, including most of the 1995 GP races, and you will have to erase them before you can tape 'Bambi vs Godzilla'. rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 17:51:13 1997 From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 17:48:02 -0500 (EST) To: sturges@XXXXXX, mwhalen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new bike A friend at work used to be a Harley man, but bought a Triumph a year or so again and is now looking for a new Triumph. Seems he really likes that bike - it's more affordable than the Harley, handles better, and doesn't come with the "built in image". I, too, ride a Harley because it's an American product and my husband is in the manufacturing business. But, a lot of the parts on a Harley come from Japan (as you can plainly see if you've ever taken a tour of the plant inYork). Whatever you decide, buy what makes you happy and too heck with what someone else thinks. Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 18 00:54:54 1997 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:54:41 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- ================================================================== John C. Kozyn |1970 Triumph Trident -(last bike) "Noli urinare 1985 VF700F |1970 Triumph Tiger -(crashed bike) contra ventus" Interceptor |1965 Honda CB160 -(first bike) (anonymous) ================================================================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 18 07:46:02 1997 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: new bike Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 04:35:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 15 TEXT, 32 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >My thinking is this; if I have a choice between two objects, I give heavy preference to the one made by my countrymen.< So... That narrows it down to a choice of (in alphabetical order) Harley (York, PA), Honda (Marysville, OH) or Kawasaki (Lincoln, NE) Michael Jordan '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX 1100GP AMA IBA etc. begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@P,`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````03``@0 M`0```&4```!-651(24Y+24Y'25-42$E3.TE&24A!5D5!0TA/24-%0D545T5% M3E173T]"2D5#5%,L24=)5D5(14%665!2149%4D5.0T543U1(14].14U!1$5" M64U90T]53E1264U%3CQ33U1(``````,`$! !`````P`1$ $````"`0D0`0`` M`-H!``#6`0``Q0(``$Q:1G4MTC]1_P`*`0\"%0*H!>L"@P!0`O()`@!C: K M(!R $U -P/<$D GP'L%T'Y 9"G 'U$?D!YG;QW0*/,+ M@!Y0;' 1@![Q'K '0$8"AV30K $[!V`Q M(" @3P9(+- %L4MA=V%SMF$ To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unsubscribe I thought the amount of traffic in here would be light...I got 50 messages over the weekend!! Please remove me from your mailing list, it's nothing personal, I just cant deal with that much email at work. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 18 10:10:37 1997 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:09:48 -0500 (EST) To: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX, sturges@XXXXXX, mwhalen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new bike In a message dated 2/17/97 5:59:38 PM, Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX writes: << I, too, ride a Harley because it's an American product and my husband is in the manufacturing business. But, a lot of the parts on a Harley come from Japan (as you can plainly see if you've ever taken a tour of the plant inYork). >> I think that anyone taking a tour of the HD plant in York (very worthwhile) will be surprised at the number of boxes of parts sitting around marked "Made in Japan". That's just a fact of manufacturing life. A few years ago Ford lost certification of the Crown Vic as a domestic car because too much of it came from overseas; that's why you suddenly started seeing Caprices replacing CVs as cop cars. Ford fixed the percentage the next year. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 18 11:37:00 1997 To: "Jordan, Michael" cc: "'DC-Cycles'" , mwhalen@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new bike In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Feb 1997 04:35:22 PST." Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:36:29 -0500 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" "Jordan, Michael" writes: >>My thinking is this; if I have a choice between two objects, I give heavy >preference to the one made by my countrymen.< > >So... > >That narrows it down to a choice of (in alphabetical order) Harley (York, >PA), Honda (Marysville, OH) or Kawasaki (Lincoln, NE) And don't forget Buell still. (even though there is a close relationship to Harley). -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX Shop as usual...........................and avoid panic buying From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 18 11:50:20 1997 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:48:50 -0500 (EST) To: mwhalen@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mwhalen@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new bike In a message dated 2/18/97 11:46:54 AM, mwhalen@XXXXXX (Matthew V. J. Whalen) writes: << And don't forget Buell still. (even though there is a close relationship to Harley). >> And don't forget the Excelsior revival in Minneasota and the 'hope springs eternal' Indian revival. and that dixie thing in Alabama. S From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 18 18:53:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08154; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03998; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from envirolink.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04574; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from manatee.envirolink.org by envirolink.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA00589; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:51:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199702182351.SAA00589@envirolink.org> Date: Tue Feb 18 18:51:36 1997 X-Mailer: Panda-2.0e From: Brian McCoy Reply-To: bmccoy2@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: another ride? Today was BEAUTIFUL.. and rumors are that tomorrow's going to be better... someone help me take advantage of it.. Early morning ride? 8am-4pm or so? Perferably a spirited ride... but anything out of the city would be great... Any takers? Or does EVERYONE have to work? *smile* Hope to hear from ya.. --- Brian McCoy http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 '86 Honda VF500F - Scrappy bmccoy2@XXXXXX Working hard Today for those Dreams of Tomorrow.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 18 23:37:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10955; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05863; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16037; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from cfagan (spg-as18s55.erols.com [207.172.122.223]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA18430; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:36:13 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970219043419.006938e8@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:34:19 -0500 To: bmccoy2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: another ride? Brian, I'm up for a ride if I can get out of work. Probably around noonish or so. I have some pretty spirited rides through NOVA. (I've been sick past two days, so I'll definitely be leaving work very early, and I think a ride will be a great diversion) call me at work (early.....before say 9ish) and we can meet somewhere out this way. I might be able to scrounge up another rider or two. work: 202-366-0067 or at home around noonish: 703-421-8777 by email, reply to cfagan@XXXXXX....I don't check geocities too often... Collin At , Brian McCoy wrote: > > >Today was BEAUTIFUL.. and rumors are that tomorrow's going to be better... >someone help me take advantage of it.. Early morning ride? 8am-4pm or so? >Perferably a spirited ride... but anything out of the city would be great... >Any takers? Or does EVERYONE have to work? *smile* > >Hope to hear from ya.. > >--- >Brian McCoy http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 >'86 Honda VF500F - Scrappy bmccoy2@XXXXXX > Working hard Today for those Dreams of Tomorrow.. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 01:47:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12360; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA07506; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19138; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.6.12/09161995) with SMTP id BAA05730; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:46:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:46:24 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Ewell To: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another ride? In-Reply-To: <199702182351.SAA00589@envirolink.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Brian McCoy wrote: > Today was BEAUTIFUL.. and rumors are that tomorrow's going to be better... > someone help me take advantage of it.. Early morning ride? 8am-4pm or so? > Perferably a spirited ride... but anything out of the city would be great... > Any takers? Or does EVERYONE have to work? *smile* Now you're just being mean. :-) I do fully intend to ride to work tomorrow, and maybe I'll take a *slightly* longer lunch than usual. But I'll just have to let that satisfy me. Brian. bee@XXXXXX > Hope to hear from ya.. > > --- > Brian McCoy http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 > '86 Honda VF500F - Scrappy bmccoy2@XXXXXX > Working hard Today for those Dreams of Tomorrow.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ uh-huh. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 08:34:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15984; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12059; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01960; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by WBLN0014.worldbank.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (305.4 1-15-1997)) id 85256443.004AB345 ; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:35:55 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK From: "Perry D. Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256443.004A4A62.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:33:51 -0400 Subject: Re: another ride? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Brian, I'd love to play hooky and ride. Except: 1) I really should be at work, 2) My Concours is in the shop awaiting body parts to repair the effects of my New Year's Day mishap, and 3) My Spectre is "put away" for the time being. Perry (hoping to have a bike back on the road soon!) bmccoy2@XXXXXX on 02/18/97 07:06:50 PM Please respond to bmccoy2@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Perry D. Coleman/Info. Tech./World Bank) Subject: another ride? Today was BEAUTIFUL.. and rumors are that tomorrow's going to be better... someone help me take advantage of it.. Early morning ride? 8am-4pm or so? Perferably a spirited ride... but anything out of the city would be great... Any takers? Or does EVERYONE have to work? *smile* Hope to hear from ya.. --- Brian McCoy http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 '86 Honda VF500F - Scrappy bmccoy2@XXXXXX Working hard Today for those Dreams of Tomorrow.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 08:52:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16151; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12368; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02624; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA29237 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 19 Feb 1997 05:51:48 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 19 Feb 1997 05:51:48 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 08:47:58 EST From: jwc@XXXXXX (Jim W. Carr) Message-Id: <9702191347.AA00736@ interactive.visa.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another ride? I'd love to play hooky and ride. Except: Well, as lucky as we've been with the weather... :-))) I'll be out on the Bullet in the Leesburg/Hamilton/Purcellville area starting about 3:45 this afternoon. Was out yesterday same time same places different bike (Thunderbolt). Whoda ever thunk we'd be riding in mid-February??? Life is good! Cheers, Jim Carr 70 BSA B44VS 69 BSA A65T 96 Enfield Bullet 500 SST # 6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 12:35:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19289; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19208; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14164; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from cfagan (spg-as4s09.erols.com [207.172.2.9]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18861; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:35:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970219173306.0069cf84@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:33:06 -0500 To: jwc@XXXXXX (Jim W. Carr), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: another ride? Jimmy, that's exactly where I planned on taking Brian out to play. I was thinking of heading all the way out to Mt. Weather road since it's susch a long stretch and so nice and twisty. Since we're leaving betweeen now and one or so, we might see you out that way somewhere. Collin >I'd love to play hooky and ride. Except: > > > Well, as lucky as we've been with the weather... :-))) > I'll be out on the Bullet in the Leesburg/Hamilton/Purcellville area > starting about 3:45 this afternoon. > Was out yesterday same time same places different bike (Thunderbolt). > Whoda ever thunk we'd be riding in mid-February??? > Life is good! > Cheers, > Jim Carr > 70 BSA B44VS > 69 BSA A65T > 96 Enfield Bullet 500 > SST # 6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 12:44:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19381; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19335; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14712; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA10676 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:43:45 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:43:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 12:39:49 EST From: jwc@XXXXXX (Jim W. Carr) Message-Id: <9702191739.AA01115@ interactive.visa.com> To: gixer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another ride? Jimmy, that's exactly where I planned on taking Brian out to play. I was thinking of heading all the way out to Mt. Weather road since it's susch a long stretch and so nice and twisty. Since we're leaving betweeen now and one or so, we might see you out that way somewhere. Collin Once past Leesburg, business 7 is _much_ more fun than the 2 lane bypass but a lot slower. Stop in at Breezeway's in Purcellville for a brew. I'll probably be there 4:30 or so. Ride safe! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 18:30:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24375; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28233; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04933; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.116.65.9]) by mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA4331 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:29:47 +0000 Message-ID: <330BC447.37B6@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:26:00 -0800 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: MORROWS@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Free '75 Yam RD350 Parts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you are a vintage racer, or are restoring a 1973-1975 Yamaha RD250 or RD350 and need parts, I can help. 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Morrows@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 19:48:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25281; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29058; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from visuallink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07858; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp96.visuallink.com [206.151.68.76]) by visuallink.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA23539; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:48:44 -0500 Message-ID: <330BC7C4.435@visuallink.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:40:52 -0800 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jim W. Carr" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another ride? References: <9702191347.AA00736@ interactive.visa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim W. Carr wrote: > > I'd love to play hooky and ride. Except: > > Well, as lucky as we've been with the weather... :-))) > I'll be out on the Bullet in the Leesburg/Hamilton/Purcellville area > starting about 3:45 this afternoon. > Was out yesterday same time same places different bike (Thunderbolt). > Whoda ever thunk we'd be riding in mid-February??? > Life is good! > Cheers, > Jim Carr > 70 BSA B44VS > 69 BSA A65T > 96 Enfield Bullet 500 > SST # 6 Were you travelling west on Rte. 7, east of Berryville about noon? ----------------- Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (previous) AMA # 487634 "The problem with optimists is . . . they can never be pleasantly surprised." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 20 14:21:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08656; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17258; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lccinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19106; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgw.lccinc.com by lccinc.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA08631; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:19:48 -0500 Received: from ccMail by smtpgw.lccinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA856477271; Thu, 20 Feb 97 14:12:58 edt Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 14:12:58 edt From: "Michael Dow" Message-Id: <9701208564.AA856477271@smtpgw.lccinc.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speeding in Fairfax Co. Check out the following URL at washingtonpost.com for a Twomey article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1997-02/20/160L-022097-idx .html -Sash From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 20 15:20:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09605; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18439; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from lccinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22400; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgw.lccinc.com by lccinc.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA13940; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:19:51 -0500 Received: from ccMail by smtpgw.lccinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA856480872; Thu, 20 Feb 97 15:16:47 edt Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 15:16:47 edt From: "Michael Dow" Message-Id: <9701208564.AA856480872@smtpgw.lccinc.com> To: sbeck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Speeding in Fairfax Co. Yuck. Sorry. The main thrust of the article is that there are law enforcement officials that have "special" unmarked cruisers that lack some of the tell-tale equipment that other unmarked units have, such as a spotlight and numerous antennae. These officers will sneak in behind you, match your speed, and pull you over if you are speeding. The article was amusing because in the particular case that Twomey was writing about, this officer was following "Mr. Kawasaki," clocking him at about 80 on the OUter Loop, just about ready to pull him over when a Corsica blew past them both. Luckily, the officer went after the Corsica. But it still serves as a reminder that, at least in Fairfax, police need not use static radar positions in order to cite one for speeding; they can pull you over after measuring your speed from behind or beside you! -Sash ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Speeding in Fairfax Co. Author: sbeck@XXXXXX at smtpgw Date: 2/20/97 2:58 PM Sash what was the jist of the article. I tried to go there but got the following message from my browser: The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it. To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu cc: (bcc: Steve Beck/ISI) Subject: Speeding in Fairfax Co. 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Virginia State Police use to patrol the beltway in a few unmarked Mustangs; may still do it for all i know. (Florida and California and others have used Mustangs as well; not nearly as conspicuous as unmarked Crown Vics). I went by a stationary, unmarked radar cop in PA on 81 a few years back. He pulled out and started following me; assumed he was making my plate. Just then some guy in a Pantera blew by us both. Cop pulled him over and I went on my merry way. S From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 20 15:59:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10369; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19311; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from csc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25087; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmeier1.explorer.csc.com by csc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0vxfZK-001AdUC; Thu, 20 Feb 97 15:58 EST Message-ID: <330CBA69.733B@csc.com> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:56:09 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Meier" Reply-To: cmeier1@XXXXXX Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Dow CC: sbeck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speeding in Fairfax Co. References: <9701208564.AA856480872@smtpgw.lccinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Steve & Sash, I got the same message, BUT.... If you go to the home of the post page (www.washingtonpost.com), scroll down to the bottom and do a search on "speeding" you'll find a listof articles. Pick the article written by Twomey. I was able to get it myself, so i know it is there. Later, chris > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: Speeding in Fairfax Co. > Author: sbeck@XXXXXX at smtpgw > Date: 2/20/97 2:58 PM > > Sash what was the jist of the article. I tried to go there but got the > following message from my browser: > > The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed > is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to > let you have it. > > To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu > cc: (bcc: Steve Beck/ISI) > Subject: Speeding in Fairfax Co. > > > > > Check out the following URL at washingtonpost.com for a Twomey > article: > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1997-02/20/160L-022097-idx > .html > > -Sash -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher A. Meier Computer Sciences Corporation Washington, DC "Nature is a language, can’t you read?" 1994 Suzuki RF900R -Smiths AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 20 16:05:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10487; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19546; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from m9.sprynet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25382; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mark (dd82-019.compuserve.com [199.174.171.19]) by m9.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA24998 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:04:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199702202104.NAA24998@m9.sprynet.com> From: "Mark Groves" To: Subject: Add me to the list. Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:03:20 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please add me to your list thanks mgroves02@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 20 16:17:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10603; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19775; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26032; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from cfagan (spg-as13s25.erols.com [207.172.6.25]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23619; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:16:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970220211459.0069c268@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:14:59 -0500 To: "Michael Dow" , sbeck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Speeding in Fairfax Co. At first I got the same message when I went to the url. But look again at your browser. Make sure that it brought along the .html part that rapped around in the e-mail address. As for Fairfax County cops, they were ever so kind enough to give me my first fine on my gixer on Superbowl Sunday. I was going steady at 75, and he nearly runs two other cars off the road trying to get in behind me because he was so afraid I was going to run! After a long conversation where I was very polite, acknowledged that I was speeding and had no excuse, he said: "I don't normally give military guys tickets, but you were going so very fast....." Since I was nice enough to stop, the ticket was for disobeying a highway sign which I agree is much better than a speeding ticket or reckless driving (jail time is bad). However, we continued to talk for a bit, and his buddy who had also pulled up (I am such a dangerous criminal you realize....good thing neither one of the recognized my concealed weapons permit in the clear wallet holder as I got out my ID!!) anyhow, they insunuated that I was pushing near 100mph and described all the various times in jail for various speeds. I was smart and did not argue anything, but there were a lot of inward thoughts going on. Since re-gearing my bike from 2.8:1 to 3:1 100mph is extremely buzzy and horribly uncomfy on the hwy (I was on 66 heading to Manassas), and I had just been passed by a few other cars before my friend mr. policeman caught up to us. Oh well, life goes on. The fine was only $59 bucks. Things could have been much worse. And three days in jail would not have been good for the ole military career. Enjoy the sunshine!! Collin > Yuck. Sorry. The main thrust of the article is that there are law > enforcement officials that have "special" unmarked cruisers that lack > some of the tell-tale equipment that other unmarked units have, such > as a spotlight and numerous antennae. These officers will sneak in > behind you, match your speed, and pull you over if you are speeding. >Sash what was the jist of the article. I tried to go there but got the >following message from my browser: > > The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed >is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to >let you have it. > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1997-02/20/160L-022097-idx > .html > > -Sash From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 20 19:27:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14079; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25579; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05760; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:27:05 -0500 (EST) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA07065; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:25:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:25:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970220192526_619800734@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: tritondo@internet!tcmail.attmail.com Subject: Looking for Insurance Info At the Baltimore Bike Show, there was a booth for Prestige Motor Club and Insurance. Has anybody talked with them about rates, used them in the past, or considered using their services? I'm shopping for insurance for a '93 Harley 883 Sportster. I presently use Dairyland, but feel they're a bit high. Any insight or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks - Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 20 19:29:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14100; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25591; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05782; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:28:54 -0500 (EST) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA24774; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:28:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:28:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970220192820_2061106524@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: tritondo@internet!tcmail.attmail.com, lvarouxis@internet!attmail.com Subject: Directions (Posting this one for a friend) Plan on leaving the Greensboro, NC area and riding to New Orleans, LA. From New Orleans will ride through Pensacola to Daytona. Does anybody have any pointers for what to avoid? Heard rumor that the cops along Route 10 between Mobile and Pensacola are pretty tough. Also, what roads should they take? Again, thanks. Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 20 21:13:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15212; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 21:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26573; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 21:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09795; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 21:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by mail1.mnsinc.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA01967 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 21:13:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <330D2F0E.6481@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 21:13:50 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC List Subject: Paint Shop Recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings DC Bikers, I'm new to the list here, and right now, despite the gorgeous weather the last few days, I must patiently continue with my 'winter' reparation/improvement task list. In a couple of weeks (no longer) I want to get the my tank and plastic painted professionally in a nice bright red (I really like the hue of the new, deep red Honda Civics BTW). I've cleaned up most parts (tank, lower cowl, fairing, side covers and tail section) sanded it all... Can anyone recommend a paint shop? How much should I expect to pay (tank has a couple dings and a smooth dent in side)? Should I prime or leave it to the pros? My fairing bolt-on holes are f***** up - is this real hard to have fixed? Thanks a lot, JK ================================================================== John C. Kozyn |1970 Triumph Trident -(last bike) "Noli urinare 1985 VF700F |1970 Triumph Tiger -(crashed bike) contra ventus" Interceptor |1965 Honda CB160 -(first bike) (anonymous) ================================================================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 21 06:30:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20570; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 06:30:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02705; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 06:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.nmaa.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22213; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 06:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from lucas.m ([204.91.49.37]) by mail.nmaa.org (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11620) with SMTP id AAA101 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 06:30:41 -0500 Message-ID: <330DA36F.43D6@nmaa.org> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 06:30:23 -0700 From: lucas.m@XXXXXX (Mark Lucas) Reply-To: lucas.m@XXXXXX Organization: National Multimedia Association of America X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Looking for Insurance Info References: <970220192526_619800734@emout13.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Strongly reccommend Progressive Insurance 1-800-398-7158. If you are an AMA memeber (that's American Motorcyclist Association) you get an additional discount. To join AMA - 1-800-AMA-JOIN. -- Peace, Mark Lucas http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm PGP Public Key available on request From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 21 07:35:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20938; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03022; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23988; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA06048 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:35:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id HAA00715 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:35:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702211235.HAA00715@clark.net> Subject: PBS Special To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:35:15 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday there was a PBS show about a few bikers going to the Rally in Sturgis (sp?). There have been a lot of comments about it recently in rec.motorcycles. I completely forgot to set my VCR to record it. Does anyone happen to have it on video tape? Anyone willing to let me borrow it, or send me a copy if I send a tape or something? Or is it likely to be on again soon? I don't know how often PBS repeats their shows. Thanks, Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is boring. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 21 10:28:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22872; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06750; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from alau.al.mt.np.els-gms.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01097; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:27:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:24:15 -0500 From: lvarouxis@XXXXXX (Lisa G. Varouxis) Received: from lvarouxis by attmail; Fri Feb 21 15:26:52 GMT 1997 Phone: +1 703 277 3927 Fax-Phone: +1 703 277 3976 Subject: Insurance Information To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: tritondo@XXXXXX X-MAPI-Message-ID: 0000000085AF9D2C4175D011A8A9080009BB5E34A4532000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_330dbec4.5ee8.0_alaumail.att.net=_" Message-ID: > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. --_330dbec4.5ee8.0_alaumail.att.net=_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops. In the post I made last night I gave the incorrect name of the insurance company. I'm actually interested in hearing about the Prestige Motor Club. They're based in Baltimore, MD. If anyone has any information (good, bad, whatever) about this group and their insurance, please post back to me. I would like to cover my 883 sportster under someone other than Dairyland. 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Varouxis), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Insurance Information Cc: tritondo@XXXXXX >Oops. In the post I made last night I gave the incorrect name of the insurance company. I'm actually interested in hearing about the Prestige Motor Club. They're based in Baltimore, MD. > >If anyone has any information (good, bad, whatever) about this group and their insurance, please post back to me. I would like to cover my 883 sportster under someone other than Dairyland. > >Thanks - >Lisa V. I can't remember the name of the company, but my officemate uses an insurance company that is backed/supported by Harley Davidson for coverage on his 96 1200 Sportster Custom. From what he has told me, the coverage sounds very thorough, and the prices are very reasonable. Unfortuneately, I cannot recall the name of the company. However, if you are interested in it, I'm sure he would love to talk about it (and Harley's in general..I got a pic of his bike on my web page). His name is Ben Hawkins, and you can reach him at bhawkins@XXXXXX Collin ________________________________________ cfagan@XXXXXX http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280 (703) 421-8777 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 12:26:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09466; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 12:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27319; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 12:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26134; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 12:25:43 -0500 (EST) From: JD6201md@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA29531; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 12:25:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 12:25:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970222122502_542311522@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Kenny Roberts For those of us who still believe that Kenny Roberts is the best Road Racer to ever live, check out his new ride. http://www.robertsgroup.com/index2.html -- Jeff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 13:01:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09812; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27519; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27292; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from DEFAULT ([207.116.103.222]) by mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA1363 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:01:07 +0000 X-Sender: FredorRick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Frederick Giuliani Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:01:07 +0000 Message-ID: <19970222180105.AAA1363@DEFAULT> too much mail for me please take me off From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 13:57:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10167; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27809; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29004; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:57:43 -0500 (EST) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA10104; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:56:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:56:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970222135656_650561859@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: tritondo@XXXXXX Subject: Miscellaneous Info (If this is a no-no with this group, let me apologize now and ask that someone nicely tell me so). Advertisement Information Stopped by a place today that is run by an old high school acquaintance (sp?). It's called Martin Motorsports, Inc. and it's located on Gordon Road in Falls Church. (I had heard about it from a couple of Falls Church cops who also ride). Wanted to share some information with you that I received from Gary Martin (who owns the place) and Gary Lyons, a cop who gets stuff from there. Although they cater more to the Harley Davidson/Buell riders, they are able to obtain "stuff" for all brands of motorcycles through various catalogs for just a small percentage over cost + shipping. They require a 15% deposit when ordering, and payment in full when it arrives. They have agreements with Tucker Rocky, Custom Chrome, Mid-USA, Samson, Coleman Power Sports, and a variety of Harley dealers. They hope to have a "mechanic" on premises within the next thirty days, although I don't think the mechanic is one to work on engines. Other things, sure. The shop originally opened as an automobile detailing shop, and has expanded to include motorcycle detailing and parts. If you are interested, the address is 120 Gordon Road in Falls Church (just behind Beyer Volvo). Their hours are M-F 8 to 7, and Saturday 8 to 2. End of advertisement ============================================================ Two rides in which you may be interested in participating: The Purple Ribbon Ride on Friday, May 16th to raise money to end child abuse. It's being held on that particular Friday as it would have been Valerie Smelzer's 13th birthday. (In case you don't remember, Valerie was the 11 year old who died from physical abuse and then her naked, 51 pound body was left in a ravine off of Route 66 near Middletown, VA by her mother's boyfriend). It's a short ride (43 miles) departing from the Westview Visitor's Center in Winchester at 10 am and ending in Middletown, VA. The cost is $5 per bike and the money will go to various organizations who are working to end child abuse. All the organizers ask is that you arrive without an attitude, and understand this will be a "slow" ride (no more than 55 mph - even in the 65 mph zones). Law Ride '97 is scheduled for Sunday, May 11. This ride is to honor the policemen and women killed in the line of duty. It will depart from RFK stadium at 12 noon and wind through the streets of Washington, ending at the National Law Officer's Memorial. Watch the motorcycle magazines for additional information, or contact MPO Gary Lyons, c/o City of Falls Church Police, 300 Park Avenue, Falls Church, VA 22046 . Again, sorry for the long message, but I wanted to get this information out. Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 17:52:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12634; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 17:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28943; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 17:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06955; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 17:52:43 -0500 (EST) From: Levine97@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA26062 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 17:52:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 17:52:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970222175211_1913221618@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe dc-cycles unsubscribe dc-cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 19:24:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09140; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07014; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18962; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:23:31 -0500 (EST) From: AntietamMC@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA22449 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:22:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:22:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970224192257_1424104226@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: 1997 AMA District 7 Schedule on-line In a message dated 97-02-12 13:16:08 EST, peter@XXXXXX (Peter Johansson) writes: > Thanks to JD6201md@XXXXXX (Ack! I can't find your name!) who > provided me with the 1997 AMA district 7 event list, we now have this > calendar of events available on the balt-cycles web page. > > What? You didn't know balt-cycles had a web page? Well, it ain't > much, but we do have one. The URL is: > > http://www.widgetworks.com/~peter/balt-cycles/ > > The only real information is how to subscribe to the mailing list, the > list of AMA rides, and an archive of all mail traffic since summer of > 1996. > > If anyone would like to provide more information, I'd be happy to add > it to the site. Even better, if you have some graphic arts skills and > want to make the page look a whole lot more aesthetically pleasing, > I'd be happy to let anyone re-work the pages. > > > Peter Johansson > peter@XXXXXX > --------------------- Forwarded message: From: peter@XXXXXX (Peter Johansson) To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX (Baltimore Cycles) Date: 97-02-12 13:16:08 EST Thanks to JD6201md@XXXXXX (Ack! I can't find your name!) who provided me with the 1997 AMA district 7 event list, we now have this calendar of events available on the balt-cycles web page. What? You didn't know balt-cycles had a web page? Well, it ain't much, but we do have one. The URL is: http://www.widgetworks.com/~peter/balt-cycles/ The only real information is how to subscribe to the mailing list, the list of AMA rides, and an archive of all mail traffic since summer of 1996. If anyone would like to provide more information, I'd be happy to add it to the site. Even better, if you have some graphic arts skills and want to make the page look a whole lot more aesthetically pleasing, I'd be happy to let anyone re-work the pages. Peter Johansson peter@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 20:42:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16422; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07986; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from envirolink.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23904; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from manatee.envirolink.org by envirolink.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA14882; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:37:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199702270137.UAA14882@envirolink.org> Date: Wed Feb 26 20:37:50 1997 X-Mailer: Panda-2.0e From: Brian McCoy Reply-To: bmccoy2@XXXXXX To: vfr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: boots?? I'm currently in the market for a pair of rideing boots (again). I'm comeing to the conclusion that full leather, steel toed work boots just DON'T cut it. I continously rip the toe up with the shifter. I definataly don't want ricky racer graphics on my boots, as I'll be wearing them all day, every day at work. Something in basic black.. or even a brown is what I need.. but to date, most the boots I've seen have a REALLY thin sole. Almost like rock climbing shoes.. they conform to whatever you're stepping on. I'd like something with a stiffer sole than that... something functional for walking arround in while at work, and something that isn't going to be destroyed by riding after 6 months. Does anyone have any clue? The ONLY thing I've seen that might cut it were some boots by Gearne (sp?)... Or should I just give in and carry my work/play shoes in a bag and change everytime I get off/on the bike... help? --- Brian McCoy http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 '86 Honda VF500F - Scrappy bmccoy2@XXXXXX Working hard Today for those Dreams of Tomorrow.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 00:24:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18734; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10589; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02724; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer2.clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.5]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA16958; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:23:04 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by explorer2.clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id AAA24726; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:23:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:23:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702270523.AAA24726@explorer2.clark.net> To: bmccoy2@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boots?? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hi Brian, I did extensive research on boots and the Garne boots rated about the highest in my opinion. Right in front of Heine Gerik. Garne boots have little shift pads on the tops of the toes to keep them from getting torn up and I think heel protectors too. But they weren't completely waterproof (lace up or zip up but not slip on) so I didn't buy. Make sure the soles are gas/oil resistant. I would go with harness boots or slip on engineer boots, although the soles can be stiff and hard after a day of walking on them. The brand I finally ended up with were Walker boots. Redwings are quite good too from what I've seen but you pay for the name. Carolina boots seem to have a good reputation. Forget Doc Martin's... I'm told the soles disolve in gas/oil. Gotta go.... I hear black U.N. conspiracy helicopter gunships converging on my location... - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 06:36:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22146; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 06:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA13441; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 06:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.nmaa.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA09562; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 06:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from lucas.m ([204.91.49.47]) by mail.nmaa.org (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11620) with SMTP id AAA64 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 06:36:23 -0500 Message-ID: <33158DC4.7D25@nmaa.org> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 06:36:04 -0700 From: lucas.m@XXXXXX (Mark Lucas) Reply-To: lucas.m@XXXXXX Organization: National Multimedia Association of America X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: boots?? References: <199702270137.UAA14882@envirolink.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You might take a look at Sears. I got a very good pair of basic black western boots with a good non-slip sole that are comfortable all day. Cost about $60. -- Peace, Mark Lucas http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm PGP Public Key available on request From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 08:05:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22746; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14122; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby.os2bbs.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12598; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [152.123.182.169] by quimby.os2bbs.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; id AA3186; Thu, 27 Feb 97 08:04:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9702271304.AA3186@quimby.os2bbs.com> From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC Cycles" , "bmccoy2@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 08:07:47 +0600 Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.53 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: boots?? >I'm currently in the market for a pair of rideing boots (again). I'm comeing >to the conclusion that full leather, steel toed work boots just DON'T cut it. >I continously rip the toe up with the shifter. I definataly don't want ricky >racer graphics on my boots, as I'll be wearing them all day, every day at >work. Something in basic black.. or even a brown is what I need.. but to >date, most the boots I've seen have a REALLY thin sole. Almost like rock >climbing shoes.. they conform to whatever you're stepping on. I'd like >something with a stiffer sole than that... something functional for walking >arround in while at work, and something that isn't going to be destroyed by >riding after 6 months. Does anyone have any clue? The ONLY thing I've seen >that might cut it were some boots by Gearne (sp?)... Or should I just give in >and carry my work/play shoes in a bag and change everytime I get off/on the >bike... I've been wearing Red Wing boots for 10 or 11 years (I'm now on my second pair). They're good quality work/hiking boots. I prefer the Irish Setter style; paid about $180. There's a store in Springfield, VA. I removed the black rubber cover from my shifter and put a piece of clear plastic tubing (the thich-walled type that hardware stores carry) and that reduced the black marks on my boot. happy hunting, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 08:43:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23149; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14578; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14101; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 3158dd80; Thu, 27 Feb 97 08:36:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:39:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3158dd80@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: boots?? To: Dark Hacker , bmccoy2@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Brian, I have a pair of Sears engineer boots, They are 12 years old now, and I have replaced the soles at a shoe repair place with combat boot soles. They were 75.00 bucks back then, and the sole replacement was 40.00 last year. They are plain black with small buckles at the instep. No studs, no chrome, no steel toe. They aren't torn up by the shifter either. Dave _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: boots?? From: Dark Hacker at ddn Date: 2/27/97 12:23 AM Hi Brian, I did extensive research on boots and the Garne boots rated about the highest in my opinion. Right in front of Heine Gerik. Garne boots have little shift pads on the tops of the toes to keep them from getting torn up and I think heel protectors too. But they weren't completely waterproof (lace up or zip up but not slip on) so I didn't buy. Make sure the soles are gas/oil resistant. I would go with harness boots or slip on engineer boots, although the soles can be stiff and hard after a day of walking on them. The brand I finally ended up with were Walker boots. Redwings are quite good too from what I've seen but you pay for the name. Carolina boots seem to have a good reputation. Forget Doc Martin's... I'm told the soles disolve in gas/oil. Gotta go.... I hear black U.N. conspiracy helicopter gunships converging on my location... - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 08:55:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23276; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14681; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14640; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA02737 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 27 Feb 1997 05:55:21 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 27 Feb 1997 05:55:21 -0800 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles , "bmccoy2@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: boots?? Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 05:42:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 3 TEXT, 58 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 I'm coming in late to this thread, but try Corbin's Combat Touring Boots - pricey, but appear to be what you're looking for. begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C8-`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````1CDU.#-& M030W-CDP1# Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`&@ # M``<08@```!X`"! !````8P```$E-0T]-24Y'24Y,051%5$]42$E35$A214%$ M+$)55%1264-/4D))3E-#3TU"05143U5224Y'0D]/5%,M4%))0T59+$)55$%0 M4$5!4E1/0D572$%464]54D5,3T]+24Y'1D]2```#`! 0``````,`$1 !```` M`@$)$ $```#J! ``Y@0``& +``!,6D9U]/71Y ,`"@!R8W!G,3(UP4RAU8FH%D'17L$1AZ'1E.C8D-D__40]2'_]3+U0Y,< ]HPXA2Z$ZM@Y0 MFU5O5GY2.8$7`2!(/9'[!) 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"" &``````# ````````1@`````# MA0````#__P,`!8 (( 8``````, ```````!&`````!"%`````````P``@ @@ M!@``````P ```````$8`````4H4``+<-```>``& "" &``````# ```````` M1@````!4A0```0````0````X+C ``P`"@ @@!@``````P ```````$8````` M`84````````+``2 "" &``````# ````````1@`````.A0````````,`!H ( M( 8``````, ```````!&`````!&%`````````P`'@ @@!@``````P `````` M`$8`````&(4````````>``B "" &``````# ````````1@`````VA0```0`` M``$`````````'@`)@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````-X4```$````!```` M`````!X`"H (( 8``````, ```````!&`````#B%```!`````0`````````# M`"8```````,`-@```````@'Y/P$````>`````````-RG0,C 0A :M+D(`"LO MX8(!`````````"X````>`/@_`0```!4```!3>7-T96T@061M:6YI To: ew52@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mwhalen@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boots?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:37:49 PST." <3315F09C.77CB@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:07:46 -0500 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" "Eric M. Winslow" writes: >A boot that I'd try to get more information on is built by West Co. ( I >believe that's the correct name; the Boss is the name of one of the >models). You can find their adds in the major motorcycle mags. They >offer many different options (insulation, waterproofing). The price is >high $200+, but they could be worth it. I have a pair of the Boss boots and they are very very nice. You can get more info from http://www.boot.com. -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX Shop as usual...........................and avoid panic buying From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 13:52:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28659; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19430; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02526; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:52:19 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from mail.amsinc.com by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: mail_1.amsinc.com [162.70.32.41]) id QQcesx25209; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA857080254; Thu, 27 Feb 97 13:36:00 EST Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 13:36:00 EST Encoding: 15 Text Message-Id: <9701278570.AA857080254@mail.amsinc.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: WTD: '82 Suzuki GS 750L info, please! Hi everyone...a friend of mine is probably going to take a VW off my hands in return for an '82 GS 750L he has...I was wondering if anyone can tell me a bit about this bike...like how difficult is it to maintain, any helpful hints I should know, handling tips, etc. My first bike was an '82 KZ 550 LTD, which is now not running, for some reason (I think one of the coils is bad). Any info would be greatly appreciated, and if anyone knows of a WWW site out there that might contain a picture of a GS 750L, I'd be most appreciative for the URL. Thanks, -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 14:12:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29038; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20163; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from csc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03723; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:11:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmeier1.explorer.csc.com by csc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0w0BES-001B0EC; Thu, 27 Feb 97 14:11 EST Message-ID: <3315DBBA.69C1@csc.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:08:42 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Meier" Reply-To: cmeier1@XXXXXX Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WTD: '82 Suzuki GS 750L info, please! References: <9701278570.AA857080254@mail.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This url -> http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~bartman/78gs750s.jpg It is a 78 GS750. Don't know if that is close enough or not? Hope it helps, chris Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hi everyone...a friend of mine is probably going to take a VW off my > hands in return for an '82 GS 750L he has...I was wondering if anyone can > tell me a bit about this bike...like how difficult is it to maintain, any > helpful hints I should know, handling tips, etc. > My first bike was an '82 KZ 550 LTD, which is now not running, for some > reason (I think one of the coils is bad). > > Any info would be greatly appreciated, and if anyone knows of a WWW site > out there that might contain a picture of a GS 750L, I'd be most > appreciative for the URL. > > Thanks, > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher A. Meier Computer Sciences Corporation Washington, DC "Nature is a language, can’t you read?" 1994 Suzuki RF900R -Smiths AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 15:23:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00579; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:23:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21446; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08532; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC24C1.DD0658C0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:21:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Horstman, Dale R @ MAN" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: WTD: '82 Suzuki GS 750L info, please! Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:22:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 68 TEXT Correct me if I'm wrong, as this is only hearsay, but I've often heard that the Suzuki's of that era had engine layouts strikingly similar to the Kawasaki KZ's of the time, but the transmission/gearshifting action was as smooth as soft butter. The shifters on my two KZ's tend to get a little stuck between gears occasionally, but the engines seem to be bulletproof. (Knock on wood.) Horkster `The Horkster+, aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 (`Scooter+) 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 (The Wife+s Ride) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (`Hoss+) ---------- From: Christopher A. Meier To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WTD: '82 Suzuki GS 750L info, please! Date: Thursday, February 27, 1997 2:08PM This url -> http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~bartman/78gs750s.jpg It is a 78 GS750. Don't know if that is close enough or not? Hope it helps, chris Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hi everyone...a friend of mine is probably going to take a VW off my > hands in return for an '82 GS 750L he has...I was wondering if anyone can > tell me a bit about this bike...like how difficult is it to maintain, any > helpful hints I should know, handling tips, etc. > My first bike was an '82 KZ 550 LTD, which is now not running, for some > reason (I think one of the coils is bad). > > Any info would be greatly appreciated, and if anyone knows of a WWW site > out there that might contain a picture of a GS 750L, I'd be most > appreciative for the URL. > > Thanks, > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---------- Christopher A. Meier Computer Sciences Corporation Washington, DC "Nature is a language, can+t you read?" 1994 Suzuki RF900R -Smiths AMA #470094 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 15:51:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01007; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22818; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from m9.sprynet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09957; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from server (dd35-165.compuserve.com [199.174.152.165]) by m9.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA15140 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:50:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199702272050.MAA15140@m9.sprynet.com> From: "Mark Groves" To: Subject: Problem '94 Katana Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:49:33 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been having a problem with my '94 Katana. When the side stand is up and the bike is running in neutral, when I put it into first gear the bike stops. Now I know this is a safety when the side stand is down, but the side is up. Could it be that the side stand relay went bad? I looked for loose wires, but there doesn't seem to be any. I would appreciate any help since it is getting warm around here and I need to ride, I am sure all of you understand that. Thanks in advance Mark Groves From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 16:30:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01692; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:30:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24178; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from minet.marriott.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12241; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mih.marriott.com by minet.marriott.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA85171; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:13:48 -0500 Received: from ccMail by mih.marriott.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.01) id AA857079220; Thu, 27 Feb 97 16:33:44 -0500 Message-Id: <9702278570.AA857079220@mih.marriott.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.01 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 16:28:16 -0500 From: "Mehran Firouzbakht" To: , Subject: Re: Problem '94 Katana Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, a friend of mine had the same bike and I don't recall a relay in the Kick Stand. It's just a switch. The switch may have shifted up or down to avoid contact. That is usually the problem with the bike shutting off when you put it in 1st gear. If that doesn't work, just kick it. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Problem '94 Katana Author: "Mark Groves" at INTERNET Date: 2/27/97 3:49 PM I have been having a problem with my '94 Katana. When the side stand is up and the bike is running in neutral, when I put it into first gear the bike stops. Now I know this is a safety when the side stand is down, but the side is up. Could it be that the side stand relay went bad? I looked for loose wires, but there doesn't seem to be any. I would appreciate any help since it is getting warm around here and I need to ride, I am sure all of you understand that. Thanks in advance Mark Groves From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 17:45:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03079; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25544; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from visuallink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16629; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp10.visuallink.com [206.151.68.170]) by visuallink.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA28851; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:46:39 -0500 Message-ID: <331636FB.2BD2@visuallink.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:38:03 -0800 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WTD: '82 Suzuki GS 750L info, please! References: <9701278570.AA857080254@mail.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hi everyone...a friend of mine is probably going to take a VW off my > hands in return for an '82 GS 750L he has...I was wondering if anyone can > tell me a bit about this bike...like how difficult is it to maintain, any > helpful hints I should know, handling tips, etc. > My first bike was an '82 KZ 550 LTD, which is now not running, for some > reason (I think one of the coils is bad). > > Any info would be greatly appreciated, and if anyone knows of a WWW site > out there that might contain a picture of a GS 750L, I'd be most > appreciative for the URL. > > Thanks, > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX I purchased a new '82 GS1100L in '85 as an overstock. Had it for over 3 years and 30k+ miles with never a complaint. With the shaft drive, the bike was practically maintanence-free. Oh yea, one other thing . . . when you cracked the throttle open above 6k rpm, you'd better have a very good grip on the bars! ;^) ----------------- Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (previous) AMA # 487634 "The problem with optimists is . . . they can never be pleasantly surprised." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 19:22:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04108; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26486; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20838; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:20:42 -0500 (EST) From: Levine97@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA03052 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:20:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:20:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970227192010_446421860@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe dc-cycles levine97@XXXXXX unsubscribe dc-cycles levine97@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 07:53:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11287; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 07:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02466; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 07:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby.os2bbs.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12083; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 07:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [152.123.182.169] by quimby.os2bbs.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; id AA0346; Fri, 28 Feb 97 07:51:20 -0500 Message-Id: <9702281251.AA0346@quimby.os2bbs.com> From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Fri, 28 Feb 97 07:54:43 +0600 Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.53 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problem '94 Katana On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:49:33 -0500, Mark Groves wrote: >I have been having a problem with my '94 Katana. When the side stand is up >and the bike is running in neutral, when I put it into first gear the bike >stops. Now I know this is a safety when the side stand is down, but the >side is up. Could it be that the side stand relay went bad? I looked for >loose wires, but there doesn't seem to be any. I would appreciate any help >since it is getting warm around here and I need to ride, I am sure all of >you understand that. > >Thanks in advance >Mark Groves > Sure sounds like that safety. Find the switch, and check it's wires and check that the switch is actually working -- not gunked up with dirt, and the sidestand is pressing on the switch. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 09:52:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12600; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from nemo.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03516; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by nemo.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19852; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:51:46 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:51:46 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) Message-Id: <199702281451.OAA19852@nemo.cs.umd.edu> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WTD: '82 Suzuki GS 750L info, please! db == Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: db> Hi everyone...a friend of mine is probably going to take a VW off my db> hands in return for an '82 GS 750L he has...I was wondering if anyone can db> tell me a bit about this bike...like how difficult is it to maintain, any db> helpful hints I should know, handling tips, etc. cam == "Christopher A. Meier" replies: cam> This url -> http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~bartman/78gs750s.jpg cam> It is a 78 GS750. Don't know if that is close enough or not? A '78 GS750 would be the standard UJM style bike. Given that Douglas says this is an 'L' model, Suzuki 'L' bikes were more of a cruiser style (teardrop tank, stepped seat, buckhorn bars). I don't remember Suzuki ever making a GS750L, maybe it's one of the other displacements that they did build in this style (450/550/850/1000/1100). The GS750T Tempter(?) was pretty similar to the 'L' series, maybe it's this bike. The 450/550/750 machines will all be chain drive machines. If it is an 'L' model and the displacement is 850/1000/1100 it'll be shaft drive. There were also shaft and chain drive 650 machines being made then, but not in the 'L' style. The main thing to check on Suzukis of this era is the charging system. The stators were notorious on the '77-'83 GS's for failing, often taking the reg/rect unit with them when they head south. Later supercedes seem to be much better. I had a lot of charging problems on my '82 GS850G until the system finally fried itself about five years ago. The new Suzuki replacement parts have worked far better than the originals. I've been exceptionally happy with my GS (purchased new in '83, has run up ~70K miles and is still my favorite bike to ride). The bikes are easy to maintain, very reliable (exc. as noted above) and Suzuki has always been noted for building good handling machines. The chassis style (UJM, cruiser, etc) will have some effect on how the handling and ergonomics feels to you, of course. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! 3 Hondas, 3 Kawasakis & 6 Suzukis +-----+ I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, VJMC, DoD #0224 |_____--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 12:09:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14911; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07966; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25157; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jgodfrey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA19103; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:13:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:13:40 -0500 (EST) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: Brian McCoy cc: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boots?? In-Reply-To: <199702270137.UAA14882@envirolink.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cop shoes. that's what I recommend. Go to any uniform shop and pick up a pair. Bates makes a pair that rise above the ankle bone, look pretty sharp and are comfortable to wear and walk. they are also relatively inexpensive. $68 if memory serves. Or, if you want boots that fit over leather pants, Justin bull hide ropers are the ticket. a little more expensive at $110, but they last forever. Also they come in half sizes and widths ranging from A to EEE so a good fit is assured. ttfn john From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 21:47:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24047; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 21:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22194; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 21:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26003; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 21:47:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.172.1.112 (spg-as2s40.erols.com [207.172.1.112]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA09188 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 21:47:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3317533D.113D@erols.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 21:50:53 +0000 From: Bryndyn Weiner Reply-To: rzbean@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: ride tomorrow? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody going on the potential CAMS ride tomorrow morning? What time? I need directions to the diner. email or call 301-593-0312. Thanks, Bryndyn "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." email: rzbean@XXXXXX RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 23:21:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24741; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22696; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29443; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer2.clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.5]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA15023; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:19:43 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by explorer2.clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id XAA19521; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:21:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:21:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703010421.XAA19521@explorer2.clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ew52@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boots?? Yes West Co boots seem pretty good but come with a high price tag. Get ahold of Larson Leather's catalog too. They sell used and new. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 23:35:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24844; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23009; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:35:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from bman.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29873; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from bman.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bman.uucom.com (8.8.5/8.8.4/961209ccg) with ESMTP id XAA08107; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:34:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703010434.XAA08107@bman.uucom.com> To: Dark Hacker cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ew52@XXXXXX, mwhalen@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boots?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:21:04 EST." <199703010421.XAA19521@XXXXXX> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:34:57 -0500 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" Dark Hacker writes: > >Get ahold of Larson Leather's catalog too. They sell used and new. 1-800-4-LARSEN (yes.. it's spelled "EN"). he also has a 1/2 price sale on all used goods just after Christmas and Easter. -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX Shop as usual...........................and avoid panic buying From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 23:38:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24866; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23034; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29902; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer2.clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.5]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA18403; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:37:11 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by explorer2.clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id XAA26047; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:38:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 23:38:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703010438.XAA26047@explorer2.clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rzbean@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ride tomorrow? Alas, I won't be able to go on the CAMS ride as I'm visiting a friend and dropping the bike off for some scheduled maintenance. Wish I could join ya. Seeing the historic sites by bike sounds like a good trip. Directions to the diner are on the web page.... http://www.computation.com/pub/hacker/CAMS/ Look in the Next Scheduled Ride section. Here's the text of the Silver Diner directions... The Silver Diner in Fairfax is the starting point for most CAMS rides unless otherwise noted. Here's how to get to the Silver Diner in Fairfax... directions to silver diner: o i-66 west to rt 50 west exit o take exit to mall o at first stop sign, make a right (sign will say 'to west ox rd') o go straight thru light and look for diner on ur right