From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 1 00:28:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h115SEO7016737; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:28:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h115SD0a016727; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:28:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:42:45 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Spidi Leathers? In-Reply-To: <000f01c2c9aa$264059d0$6401a8c0@cypher> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Rob Curtis wrote: > Has anyone got a set of Spidi leathers (one piece 52 or 54) that I might be > able to try on for size? Shot in the dark... Thanks! > > Robby C. If you can't find any, Kneedraggers.com rents Spidi leathers. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 1 10:56:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h11Fu2O7020734; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:56:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h11FtxJO020717; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:55:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 15:32:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2003 15:32:37.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[264B0DF0:01C2CA07] >Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:26:13 -0600 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Sean Jordan >Subject: Some BS Anti-Motorcyclist Legislation in New Mexico >http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=5149 Organ Donors... they ripped that off from the Biker Boyz movie... no I didn't see it but the line is used on the Television promo's. Sounds like a T-shirt... In addition to toys for tots etc... the bikers of America ought to swamp DMV's everywhere (on the same day) to have their DL's reflect "Organ Donor"... Then to really mess with things pick another day to recind the DLOD designation and back again... and so on.... I must be bored... or an organ donor aw Never meddle in the affairs of Organ Donors, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 1 11:07:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h11G75O7022521; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:07:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h11G74ni022510; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:07:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004e01c2ca0c$1c544be0$6601a8c0@laptop> From: "bruce" To: Subject: A Dark Day in History Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:08:03 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Space Shuttle Columbia broke up in the skies over Texas this morning as it was approaching for a landing. The seven astronauts including the first Israeli astronaut are not believed to have survived, My thoughts are with their families and with all the members of NASA. Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 1 11:10:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h11GAGO7023419; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:10:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h11GAFJE023404; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:10:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201110905.02b18090@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 11:10:02 -0500 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: A Dark Day in History In-Reply-To: <004e01c2ca0c$1c544be0$6601a8c0@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:08 AM 2/1/2003, bruce wrote: >Space Shuttle Columbia broke up in the skies over Texas this morning >as it >was approaching for a landing. The seven astronauts including the >first >Israeli astronaut are not believed to have survived, My thoughts are >with >their families and with all the members of NASA. > >Bruce yes ditto here. They're already reporting body parts and debris in Texas. Gawd..this is awful. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 1 15:45:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h11Kj4O7026257; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 15:45:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h11Kj3HR026247; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 15:45:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E3C322D.FDF08E5B@tasam.com> Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 15:46:37 -0500 From: Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: A Dark Day in History References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201110905.02b18090@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > > At 11:08 AM 2/1/2003, bruce wrote: > >Space Shuttle Columbia broke up in the skies over Texas this morning > >as it > >was approaching for a landing. The seven astronauts including the > >first > >Israeli astronaut are not believed to have survived, My thoughts are > >with > >their families and with all the members of NASA. > > > >Bruce > > yes ditto here. They're already reporting body parts and debris in > Texas. > > Gawd..this is awful. the only comforting thing is that it was fast. at 12,000 mph, and 200.000 feet, you'd die nearly instantaneously. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 3 12:59:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h13HxB7Q029697; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:59:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h13HwuMR029685; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:58:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030203175849.35662.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:58:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Grrr battery nut flew out To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What a *&#@ mess. Charged the battery, took it outside to reinstall, and of course I forgot to secure the square bolts at the bottom. One flew out. So, are these little square fellows something specific to moto batteries, or can I find in either a hardware store or auto parts store? Before telling me this is a stuuupid question, remember I have no other transport, so a 1 mile trip to the autoparts store is a big hassle. Thanks PS: If I was unclear: I lost the bolt which goes inside the battery's pos and neg terminals. This bolt secures the screw which holds down the wires to the battery. ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 3 13:09:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h13I9f7Q031471; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:09:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h13I9erG031460; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:09:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Grrr battery nut flew out Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:06:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030203175849.35662.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030203175849.35662.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03020313061898.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 03 February 2003 12:58, Mark Kitchell wrote: > What a *&#@ mess. Charged the battery, took it > outside to reinstall, and of course I forgot to secure > the square bolts at the bottom. One flew out. > > So, are these little square fellows something specific > to moto batteries, or can I find in either a hardware > store or auto parts store? > > Before telling me this is a stuuupid question, > remember I have no other transport, so a 1 mile trip > to the autoparts store is a big hassle. > It's a standard nut. Take the other one with you. > Thanks > > PS: If I was unclear: I lost the bolt which goes > inside the battery's pos and neg terminals. This bolt > secures the screw which holds down the wires to the > battery. > Now why would we think you were unclear? Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 3 13:14:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h13IEi7Q032381; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:14:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h13IEhJa032371; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:14:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200302031814.QCW20860@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:14:51 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Grrr battery nut flew out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kitchell Komplained: >What a *&#@ mess. Charged the battery, took it >outside to reinstall, and of course I forgot to secure >the square bolts at the bottom. One flew out. > >So, are these little square fellows something specific >to moto batteries, or can I find in either a hardware >store or auto parts store? > >Before telling me this is a stuuupid question, >remember I have no other transport, so a 1 mile trip >to the autoparts store is a big hassle. [Dave] It's not necessarily moto specific, if it fits the thread pattern of the screw that secures the terminal connector to the battery AND fits in the battery slow, it will work. a "quarter twenty" nut worked for my ZX11... That is a very common size. Chances are, if you have a loose nut collection (as opposed to the collection of loose nuts subscribed to DCC), you probably have one that fits. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 3 13:56:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h13IuS7Q001034; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:56:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h13IuSXi001024; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:56:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:56:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: sigh. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.bmwbobs.com/showroom/R1150RT.html 0.9% financing. Sigh. I sorta hate to say this, but I think I want one. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 3 16:11:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h13LBN7Q003703; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:11:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h13LBMsf003693; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:11:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:11:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 'nother URL. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Not any big surprise, but nice to see a bit of ok news for a change: http://enquirer.com/editions/2003/02/03/loc_ohmotorcycle03.html -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 3 16:58:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h13Lwa7Q005626; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:58:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h13LwaMf005620; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:58:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 'nother URL. Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:58:20 -0400 Message-Id: <20030203215820.M94972@sharpie.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.71 20020827 X-OriginatingIP: 205.226.130.6 (rob) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I took my MSF (motorcycle safety foundation) course in NY. Except it's 300 bux and it's about 8 hours of classroom and 16 hours of hands on riding. Plus at the end if you pass your tests (written and riding) you get your motorcycle endorsement on your licesnse. I must say it's easier for a rider to get thier license there than and unforgiving DMV tester. Some people passed without being able to do figure 8's ect. However it's better than have a lot of poeople with licenses riding around. Rob On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:11:14 -0500 (EST), Daniel H. Brown wrote > Not any big surprise, but nice to see a bit of ok news for a change: > > http://enquirer.com/editions/2003/02/03/loc_ohmotorcycle03.html > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 3 19:39:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h140dk7Q010918; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:39:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h140dioR010908; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:39:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: sigh. Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:39:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Why would you hate to say it. It's a marvelous bike. Of course, I'm not swayed by ownership ;-) LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Daniel H. Brown http://www.bmwbobs.com/showroom/R1150RT.html 0.9% financing. Sigh. I sorta hate to say this, but I think I want one. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 3 21:05:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1425l7Q012203; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:05:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1425kEP012193; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:05:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008d01c2cbdd$0abd8a40$337d5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Grrr battery nut flew out Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:36:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 If I understand the nuts at issue -- those accompanying my batteries have on occasion been imbedded with jumping beans. While a flashlight has eventually solved my problems, the solution occurring has been to secure cable to terminal with coathanger wire tightly twisted (maybe two applications). To last no more than travel to nutseller and back. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Just dont leave a clamp in my innards Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:58:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Grrr battery nut flew out To: DC Cycles What a *&#@ mess. Charged the battery, took it outside to reinstall, and of course I forgot to secure the square bolts at the bottom. One flew out. So, are these little square fellows something specific to moto batteries, or can I find in either a hardware store or auto parts store? Before telling me this is a stuuupid question, remember I have no other transport, so a 1 mile trip to the autoparts store is a big hassle. Thanks PS: If I was unclear: I lost the bolt which goes inside the battery's pos and neg terminals. This bolt secures the screw which holds down the wires to the battery. ===== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 01:24:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h146OU7Q014233; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 01:24:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h146OTed014223; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 01:24:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:25:18 -0500 Subject: stuff wanted To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi...I'm looking to buy a couple of used items: (1) motorcycle jacket (probably leather) up to about $50. (2) windscreen (like a plexi-3) for a 1978 Suzuki 750---one incompetent parker too many. Lexan would be better than plexiglass. --garcia )B“When the rich take from the poor, it’s called ‘an economic plan’. When the poor take from the rich, it)B’s called ‘class warfare’.” Guess who does the calling. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 05:54:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h14Asc7Q017416; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 05:54:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h14Asbv4017406; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 05:54:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: stuff wanted Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 05:51:22 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0302040551229F.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 04 February 2003 01:25, garcia oliver wrote: > Hi...I'm looking to buy a couple of used items: > > (1) motorcycle jacket (probably leather) up to about $50. > Check the local pawn shops. That's where I got mine. It was 80 bucks even at pawn but it's a nice jacket. Check ebay too. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 09:08:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h14E8B7Q019401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:08:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h14E8BrI019391; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:08:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:08:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: sigh. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, LindaT. wrote: > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:39:24 -0500 > From: "LindaT." > To: Dc-Cycles > Subject: RE: sigh. > > Why would you hate to say it. It's a marvelous bike. Ok... "hate" may be a bit strong, but, even thinking about it, I start feeling like I've been brainwashed by the Cult of the Rondelle. The VFR still has miles left in it, but isn't very comfortable for pillions. And, that 0.9% financing is tempting. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 11:37:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h14Gb17Q021136; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:37:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h14GatCM021124; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:36:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030204163642.80023.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 08:36:42 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: stuff wanted To: garcia oliver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What size jacket? I have a brown Hein Gericke Concorde jacket that I no longer wear. It is a size 40, but I would want $100 for it. I don't think you are going to get a jacket that offers any protection for under $50. Todd W. --- garcia oliver wrote: > Hi...I'm looking to buy a couple of used items: > > (1) motorcycle jacket (probably leather) up to about > $50. > > (2) windscreen (like a plexi-3) for a 1978 Suzuki > 750---one incompetent > parker too many. Lexan would be better than > plexiglass. > > --garcia > > )B“When the rich take from the poor, it’s called ‘an > economic plan)B’. When > the poor take from the rich, it)B’s called ‘class > warfare)B’.” Guess who does > the calling. > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 12:02:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h14H2a7Q022152; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:02:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h14H2ao7022141; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:02:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: RE: stuff wanted Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:02:22 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c2cc6f$3000cc30$862ea8c0@DTLaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20030204163642.80023.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> I have a size 48 Fieldsheer leather jacket in good condition (no falls, etc.) with armour that I would sell for $75. Danny -----Original Message----- From: Todd Withrow [mailto:mtwithrow@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:37 AM To: garcia oliver; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: stuff wanted What size jacket? I have a brown Hein Gericke Concorde jacket that I no longer wear. It is a size 40, but I would want $100 for it. I don't think you are going to get a jacket that offers any protection for under $50. Todd W. --- garcia oliver wrote: > Hi...I'm looking to buy a couple of used items: > > (1) motorcycle jacket (probably leather) up to about > $50. > > (2) windscreen (like a plexi-3) for a 1978 Suzuki > 750---one incompetent > parker too many. Lexan would be better than > plexiglass. > > --garcia > > When the rich take from the poor, its called an > economic plan. When > the poor take from the rich, its called class > warfare. Guess who does > the calling. > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 14:00:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h14J0k7Q023632; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:00:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h14J0h0i023619; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:00:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 14:01:31 -0500 Subject: Re: stuff wanted To: mtwithrow@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <20030204163642.80023.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030204163642.80023.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks. Late night post---forgot that size matters. Around a 44, I'm guessing. 5'11" 160 pounds. There seem to be some reasonably good jackets on ebay for $40-50, but there's benefit in try-before-you-buy. --garcia mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: >What size jacket? I have a brown Hein Gericke Concorde >jacket that I no longer wear. It is a size 40, but I >would want $100 for it. I don't think you are going to >get a jacket that offers any protection for under $50. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 14:59:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h14JxH7Q025609; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:59:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h14JxGie025594; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:59:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E401A2A.468AEA6D@carlparker.com> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 14:53:15 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles , Paul Wilson , Wallace Schultz Subject: 1157 LED taillights impressions.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, I tried 3 different bulbs: one regular stock, one white 12 LED, and one red 19 LED. The latter two can be found at . I wanted to borrow a photometer from a friend whooz a photo buff but he said that it didn't work well or something. I thought about snapping digital camera shots but the camera adjusts for light levels and may not be to useful. I'll prolly just take the shots anyway and see how they turn out. Anywho, until I can find something more scientific to satisfy the numbers and measurements heads amungst us - including myself -I figured I'd offer my individual impression of the results. This is on a single rear stop/brake light on a 1998 Bandit 1200S. - 12 LED white - This one is a big ol' thumbs down. Running - So dim that I'd barely be able to tell it's on in sunlight. Brake - Brighter but still not what I would consider acceptable. -19 LED red - This one is installed and prolly' gonnna to stay there. Running - Considerably brighter than the 12 and I would say acceptable compared to stock as far as intensity. Brake - Nice and intense and I would say it 's a bit less intense than stock. General discussion: 1) It seems like the trick to LED's is to just have more units (LED's) outputting light. In this case 7 more LED's definitely made a noticable difference. 2) The most glaring deficiency between the 19 LED and stock was the intensity of the fill INSIDE the reflector/light unit. The back of the Bandit housing is a red plastic (as the 19 LED unit was red this didn't matter much) but also has a reflector inside of that. The stock bulb has more exposed lighting surface area due to its "bulbous" shape and will reach more of the reflector, therby giving it what appeared to me to be a better "fill" inside the housing. The LED unit and the shape of the rear light housing on the Bandit created a distinctive "eyeball" like effect (sorta reminds me of Tron or Battlestar Galactica) due to the more unidirectional projection of the lights coming from the LED's. This, however, does not mean that there was no light hitting the internal reflector, on the contrary there was quite a bit. The LED's do project some light out to the side but just not as much as the the stock bulb. On the Bandit, the bulb sits nicely inside the regions of the reflector dish and does catch a fair amount of light around its sides but not behind the bulb (if that makes any sense). If I could move the LED bulb back into the reflector about .5" then I would probably have no hesitation in saying that it's as close to sstock as I'd want it. I'll try to post some pics. Your application and results will vary according to the design of your particular bike. Overall: I'm quite pleased with the look and brightness of the red 19 LED unit on my Bandit and will keep it there. I think that in conjunction with some other outboard lights (like Hyperlights which I would do anyway) I wouldn't feel that I'm lacking in rear attention getting power and still be drawing less juice from my battery than a single incan. stock bulb. Bikes or cages (esp. old ones with worn alternators) with dual bulb 1157 tail lamps would probably have no problems at all and enjoy the savings twice as much. My .02 Carl Parker ------------------------------- YA'LL ARE PUNKS! ;^P ------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 15:34:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h14KYv7Q027516; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:34:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h14KYvIZ027506; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:34:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:34:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: DC Motorcycle Legislation From: Jeff Steele To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1DD1432A-3880-11D7-B07D-00306541B6AC@steele.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Adrian Fenty, my Council Member, sent out a list of activities in today's Council session and I noticed among new bill introduced was the following: Safe Motorcycle Operator Reciprocity Amendment Act of 2003, Orange To require greater restrictions on motorcycle permits in the District of Columbia I'm trying to get more details about this from him, but does anyone else know anything about this? I'm not sure I like how it sounds. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 15:42:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h14Kg27Q030102; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:42:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h14Kg2wT030089; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:42:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030204204159.1720.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:41:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DC Motorcycle Legislation To: Jeff Steele , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1DD1432A-3880-11D7-B07D-00306541B6AC@steele.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't know but I just called his office. His chief of staff is supposed to call me back Mark --- Jeff Steele wrote: > Adrian Fenty, my Council Member, sent out a list of > activities in > today's Council session and I noticed among new bill > introduced was the > following: > > Safe Motorcycle Operator Reciprocity Amendment Act > of 2003, Orange > > To require greater restrictions on motorcycle > permits in the District > of Columbia > > I'm trying to get more details about this from him, > but does anyone > else know anything about this? I'm not sure I like > how it sounds. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 15:48:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h14KmW7Q031834; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:48:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h14KmWvF031823; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:48:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002b01c2cc8e$c4439160$6600a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "Dc-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: sigh. Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:48:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c2609260971fa6995cfc3a4432d6650f75517a2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Ok... "hate" may be a bit strong, but, even thinking about it, I start > feeling like I've been brainwashed by the Cult of the Rondelle. I can appreciate that - ever since I spent two weeks on an R1150GS last summer I've been wanting one. So far the desire NOT to part with 13 large has outweighed the desire TO part with it. Time will tell - it's been nine (count 'em) years since I've bought a new scooter and the itch is getting bad. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 15:59:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h14Kxq7Q002014; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:59:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h14KxpdV002004; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:59:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:59:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: sigh. In-Reply-To: <002b01c2cc8e$c4439160$6600a8c0@michael> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Michael Jordan wrote: > Time will tell - it's been nine (count 'em) years since I've bought a new > scooter and the itch is getting bad. > I've never owned a new scoot. New to me, but not actually New. My current VFR is the first one I've had, actually, where I wasn't the 3rd+ owner. - 0.9% financing and BMW has an online application form. - My insurance agent says the yearly rates are about the same between my old smaller VFR and the newer, larger BMW. - The vanity plate I want is available. Itchy is an understatement. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 17:33:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h14MXo7Q004177; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:33:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h14MXoCG004167; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:33:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00f901c2cc9f$397e2570$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Food for thought Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:46:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 If you had an opportunity to talk to representatives from the Maryland State Highway Administration (SHA), the Maryland Motor Vehicle Administration (MVA), Maryland State Police (MSP), and NHTSA (Region 3) representatives about motorcycle safety and motorcycling in general, what questions or comments would you have for them? k.loerich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 18:37:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h14NbV7Q007105; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:37:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h14NbUV4007098; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:37:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030204233722.49568.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:37:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: DC Motorcycle Legislation To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here is my first exchange with Mr. Fenty. Stay tuned. ___________________ It's a little extensive. I will have Joseph, in my office, email you the text of the legislation. You may be glad to know that the emergency version of this bill was withdrawn. Accordingly, there will be a hearing on the bill in the Committee on the Public Works. What is your street address for our records? Adrian Fenty Councilmember, Ward 4 Council of the District of Columbia 1350 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Suite 506 Washington, D.C. 20004 (202)724-8828 F.(202)724-8120 www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:mkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:32 PM To: afenty@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle Legislation Safe Motorcycle Operator Reciprocity Amendment Act of 2003 This is being discussed today, Feb 4, 2003. Can you please tell me what it is? Thanks ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 19:26:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h150Q97Q014103; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:26:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h150Q8xj014088; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:26:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <026d01c2ccad$46016420$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Cc: "Mark Kitchell" Subject: MC reciprocity law - DC Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:26:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 According to Fenty's email (Mark, he will start blowing you off once he finds out you live in--I think-- Ward 1) it will be assigned to Cmte. on Public Works. We need to find out when it's on the calendar. Remember history is written by those that show up. It's good that they're not invoking "emergency" status. That means at least three "readings" in front of the full council, as well as Cmte. hearings. That will give "us" time to figure out what's going on. Here's the link to the bill reporting system. Not quite http://thomas.loc.gov, but it will have to do. It doesn't appear to be in the database yet. http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/lims/SearchForm.asp Paul in DC Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h152ZR7Q017334; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:35:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h152ZLtM017319; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:35:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:49:10 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: No feet racing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A good friend of mine in my car club races his '94 B4C Camaro. He ran in ITE(?) last year and is moving to the new American Iron Series run by NASA. In a car with nearly stock HP and saddled with an automatic tranny (hand controls) he runs at the front of the pack on a regular basis. http://www.sour-milk.org/nofeet.jpg He is a parapalegic, injured in a motorcycle accident in his youth. While I was taking my Keith Code school at VIR, there was a guy there racing an RC51. He was a parapalegic, but had 'landing gear' on the bike. I told my friend about it and he started doign research. He found a picture of the guy on an RC51 website... http://www.sour-milk.org/51.jpg ... and also found a company in CA that makes the kits. He's decided to fab a kit himself with the help of his rollcage fabricator and he already purchased a Suzuki TL1000S as his test bike :-) He should have the kit on the bike within the next month or so. Should be interesting! He's very excited about the thought of riding again. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 4 22:21:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h153Le7Q019393; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:21:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h153LeY4019383; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:21:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030205032137.77140.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:21:37 -0800 (PST) From: patti rodgers Subject: Re: DC Motorcycle Legislation To: Jeff Steele , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1DD1432A-3880-11D7-B07D-00306541B6AC@steele.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm trying to get more details about this from him, > but does anyone > else know anything about this? I'm not sure I like > how it sounds. Jeff, I think you're in the same ANC as I am. If not, then you're close! I'll email my ANC guy. If you think he's yours, too, contact him at leraris@XXXXXX. This goes for anyone else technically in 16th Street Heights. I think it is ANC 401-3C but not sure. Cheers, patti __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 5 08:16:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h15DGs7Q023277; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:16:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h15DGqxT023267; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:16:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E410D3E.6000308@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:10:22 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2) Gecko/20021126 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No feet racing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is very cool... Wayne Edelen wrote: >A good friend of mine in my car club races his '94 B4C Camaro. He ran in >ITE(?) last year and is moving to the new American Iron Series run by >NASA. In a car with nearly stock HP and saddled with an automatic >tranny (hand controls) he runs at the front of the pack on a regular >basis. > >http://www.sour-milk.org/nofeet.jpg > >He is a parapalegic, injured in a motorcycle accident in his youth. > >While I was taking my Keith Code school at VIR, there was a guy there >racing an RC51. He was a parapalegic, but had 'landing gear' on the bike. >I told my friend about it and he started doign research. He found a >picture of the guy on an RC51 website... > >http://www.sour-milk.org/51.jpg > >... and also found a company in CA that makes the kits. He's decided to >fab a kit himself with the help of his rollcage fabricator and he already >purchased a Suzuki TL1000S as his test bike :-) > >He should have the kit on the bike within the next month or so. Should be >interesting! He's very excited about the thought of riding again. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 5 09:54:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h15EsY7Q024745; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:54:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h15EsWMh024735; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:54:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030205145429.62641.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 06:54:29 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: MC reciprocity law - DC To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Cc: Mark Kitchell In-Reply-To: <026d01c2ccad$46016420$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks to whoever found out about this. If info about this bill shows up on the internet somewhere, let us know, as I'd like to check it out, and maybe even attend the hearing. jib --- Paul Wilson wrote: > According to Fenty's email (Mark, he will start > blowing you off once he > finds out you live in--I think-- Ward 1) it will be > assigned to Cmte. on > Public Works. We need to find out when it's on the > calendar. Remember > history is written by those that show up. > > It's good that they're not invoking "emergency" > status. That means at least > three "readings" in front of the full council, as > well as Cmte. hearings. > That will give "us" time to figure out what's going > on. > > Here's the link to the bill reporting system. Not > quite > http://thomas.loc.gov, but it will have to do. It > doesn't appear to be in > the database yet. > > http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/lims/SearchForm.asp > > Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 5 10:45:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h15Fj47Q025900; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:45:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h15Fj3Ir025895; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:45:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: No feet racing Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:44:55 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666013E8F26@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: No feet racing Thread-Index: AcLNGPoXAYcL5u+1TvG9a6/jfsydpgAFDwSg From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h15Fj17Q025883 I have a video clip of the "landing gear". The clip is put together by the shop that makes them, and they describe its workings and setup in detail. They also show some test runs. It's a ~50 meg clip, iirc. If anyone is interested, I can either email it to you, or put it on my server for d/l. Witold > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom de [mailto:tdeboeser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:10 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: No feet racing > > > That is very cool... > > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > >A good friend of mine in my car club races his '94 B4C > Camaro. He ran in > >ITE(?) last year and is moving to the new American Iron Series run by > >NASA. In a car with nearly stock HP and saddled with an automatic > >tranny (hand controls) he runs at the front of the pack on a regular > >basis. > > > >http://www.sour-milk.org/nofeet.jpg > > > >He is a parapalegic, injured in a motorcycle accident in his youth. > > > >While I was taking my Keith Code school at VIR, there was a guy there > >racing an RC51. He was a parapalegic, but had 'landing > gear' on the bike. > >I told my friend about it and he started doign research. He found a > >picture of the guy on an RC51 website... > > > >http://www.sour-milk.org/51.jpg > > > >... and also found a company in CA that makes the kits. > He's decided to > >fab a kit himself with the help of his rollcage fabricator > and he already > >purchased a Suzuki TL1000S as his test bike :-) > > > >He should have the kit on the bike within the next month or > so. Should be > >interesting! He's very excited about the thought of riding again. > > > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 5 11:06:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h15G6M7Q026930; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:06:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h15G6JpL026915; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:06:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145154C2@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" , "'KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX'" Subject: Food for thought Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:07:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Kathleen Loerich proposed, "If you had an opportunity to talk to representatives from the Maryland State Highway Administration (SHA), the Maryland Motor Vehicle Administration (MVA), Maryland State Police (MSP), and NHTSA (Region 3) representatives about motorcycle safety and motorcycling in general, what questions or comments would you have for them?" As a start, yesterday, I sent a message (at the bottom) to my District representatives. Some of you may recall last year's exchanges we had with Philip Sause, Program Coordinator of the Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program; Andrew Krajewski, Program Director Driver Education & Licensing, Maryland Motor Vehicle Administration ,Motorcycle Safety Program; plus a couple of comments from Grodsky. My version of the gist of the exchanges is: MD doesn't have enough instructors to offer more courses. They were considering recruiting more instructors, maybe wishing for more too. sigh. So, first question would be: What steps has the MD MVA taken to provide more MSF courses? What steps has the MD MVA taken to provide general driver education? Question two: What was the justification to spend resources on the "Rocket Rider" program? Specifically, because mishandling of a motorcycle is a public safety threat primarily only to the operator and not to others, why were valuable resources spent on them? Shouldn't those resources have been spent on SUV, trucks, and other heavy vehicles where mishandling those vehicles is a public safety threat to others than the operator? Question three: Generally, State Troopers appear to primarily scan the left lanes for speeders, rarely the right lanes or feeder lanes. However, the difference in speed and public safety threat is greater from speeders in the right lane and feeder lanes. What is the MSP comment? Question four: Over much of the civilized world (and some of the uncivilized portions) the left lane is reserved for passing. But, not in Maryland. Indeed, in Maryland, the common signal of flashing headlights as a courteous request to pass is illegal. I've heard, that the MVA and MSP support the status quo and have objected to freeing the left lane for passing as it would encourage aggressive driving. Is that objection true? If true, what is the basis for that opinion? Have the representatives driven in other portions of the world where the left lane is primarily for passing? Carl in Bethesda (Cynical) -----Original Message----- From: Custer, Carl Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:29 PM To: 'MD-Lee'; 'MD-Frosh' Cc: 'Gawthrop, Bill' Subject: Public Safety Compare Ohio to Maryland's effort. http://enquirer.com/editions/2003/02/03/loc_ohmotorcycle03.html Maryland doesn't offer enough courses to meet the demand. Carl S. Custer 8605 Hartsdale Ave Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 5 13:41:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h15IfC7Q030662; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:41:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h15IfAed030652; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:41:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:55:02 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: No feet racing In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666013E8F26@rnc1.rnchq.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > I have a video clip of the "landing gear". The clip is put together by the shop that makes them, and they describe its workings and setup in detail. They also show some test runs. It's a ~50 meg clip, iirc. > > If anyone is interested, I can either email it to you, or put it on my server for d/l. > > Witold Does it have credits for dontbescaredracing.com in the video? -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 5 14:22:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h15JMr7Q031827; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:22:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h15JMpw8031820; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:22:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1dc.1baa042.2b72be7c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:22:36 EST Subject: Re: No feet racing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/5/2003 1:41:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > I have a video clip of the "landing gear" Had one of these show up for an Experienced Rider Course (ERC) on a Goldwing once. While there are a few, a _VERY_ few who could benefit from this sort of rig I would never recommend it. Think about it, when going from a stop, riding, coming to a stop you must go from _steering_ like a car or trike, to _countersteering_ like a motorcycle when the wheels come up, and back to _steering_ again when they come down. The fellow in this case dropped his bike _3_ times in the first exercise! In an emergency stop the wheels would not be able to come down on time to hold the bike up for you, and falling after a panic stop is a damn good way to get run over. For a paraplegic I would recommend a hack or trike as a better solution, it is what I would do. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 5 14:43:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h15Jhw7Q000392; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:43:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h15JhuVY000382; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:43:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: email.featureprice.com: apache set sender to herb@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <1044475207.3e416d4735043@email.featureprice.com> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:00:07 -0500 From: herb@XXXXXX To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:R1150RT References: <200302050000.h15001FV009813@dirty.meretrix.com> In-Reply-To: <200302050000.h15001FV009813@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 192.35.35.35 Daniel H. Brown wrote: > http://www.bmwbobs.com/showroom/R1150RT.html > 0.9% financing. Sigh. I sorta hate to say this, but I think I want one. Dan, Another bike you should consider IMHO is the '03 ST1300 Std and ABS versions. The ST13 has the same upright tour bike riding position, HP and torque but at a significant savings over the $16K BMW (not to mention the BMW reoccuring maintenance costs.) The Standard ST1300 retails @ $12,999 but can be had for ~ $11,500 at WVa Honda dealerships. The ABS model (with ABS, an electronic adjustable windshield and 4 way flashers) retails for $14,500. They are rare and in great demand so dealers are getting that or "a market di$$erential" at this time. Both versions are significantly cheaper than the BMW, however no cheap financing deals are available from Honda for the ST13 at this time. http://www.hondamotorcycles.com/motorcycles/touring_sport_touring/ Happy hunting. Herb '99 VFR '94 Magna ? '03 ST (possibly) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 5 14:54:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h15Jst7Q001434; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:54:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h15JstlX001423; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:54:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:54:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:R1150RT In-Reply-To: <1044475207.3e416d4735043@email.featureprice.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 herb@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:00:07 -0500 > From: herb@XXXXXX > To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re:R1150RT > > Daniel H. Brown wrote: > > http://www.bmwbobs.com/showroom/R1150RT.html > > 0.9% financing. Sigh. I sorta hate to say this, but I think I want one. > > Dan, > > Another bike you should consider IMHO is the '03 ST1300 Std and ABS versions. > The ST13 has the same upright tour bike riding position, HP and torque but at a > significant savings over the $16K BMW (not to mention the BMW reoccuring I'd forgotten to mention that BMW is also making your first 5 payments. So, that 16K bike is more like a $14.5k bike. This is their 80th year anniversary. The deal last until the end of Feb. Still, deal or no deal, I think I'm going to opt for keeping the VFR going for a bit longer. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 5 20:06:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1616d7Q007651; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:06:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1616bYs007643; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:06:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 20:01:13 -0500 Subject: New Boots From: Bob McKeithen To: MGCL , DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Because of a painful condition in my left foot, wearing the pointy toed Italian type MC boots is becoming increasingly uncomfortable. I have been wearing a pair of Cruiserworks boots which are delightfully waterproof ,but the toes are too pointed. All the replacements I have looked at appear to be too "pointy" in the toe area. At least in the pictures the Combat Touring boots from Riders Warehouse look like they might work. Can any one offer specific info on how waterproof they are? The blurb in the catalog is a little vague. So can any one say, for instance, I followed the waterproofing directions and my feet stayed dry for xxxxxx length of time in a deluge. Thanks for the input Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 02:01:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1671p7Q011822; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 02:01:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1671gLQ011812; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 02:01:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: No feet racing Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 02:01:31 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664092C2@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: No feet racing Thread-Index: AcLNRkfCuGbvxQWZR8SCfn7k5FA20QAZyFaQ From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Wayne Edelen" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1671f7Q011795 Yes, that's the clip. Since their website seems to be down, you can d/l the clip from my website: http://www.witold.org/bike/leeslandinggear.wmv Witold Does it have credits for dontbescaredracing.com in the video? -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 06:27:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16BR67Q014214; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 06:27:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16BR4Fk014206; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 06:27:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "rich hall" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker Boyz Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 06:33:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h16BR27Q014194 Crap. total crap. On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:34:11 -0500, "rich hall" wrote: >Guys that went to the screening, how was the movie? > >_________________________________________________________________ >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 06:31:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16BVt7Q015158; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 06:31:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16BVsHX015149; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 06:31:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BBoyz(with much give away) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 06:38:03 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h16BVr7Q015137 I guess all that practicing in the rain with the fastest busa on the west coast really paid off so that fishburn could race that same bike on that curvey hilly 4 foot wide dirt road !!!! wow!!!! I particularly also disliked the racing sportbikes in the dirt circle track, and back alley when the movie first came on. I have one question, how come the stunt riders didnt' say to the director "look dude, this is total unbelievably stupid bullshit, would you like to know the real scenarios?" On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:28:34 -0500, "Jeff Wisecarver" wrote: >Heheheh >Unbelievably................unbelievable >A bunch of dork 18 yr old and and younger kids form a gang with yellow >bandanas around their faces and ski masks. I don't know what was more >funny, the fact that somebody was riding 180 with a motocross helmet and not >getting his head torn off or a guy riding 180 with no helmet, nontearing >eyes, and perfectly sculpted hair(and drunk). The ending was retarded too. > >I did laugh unexpectedly a couple of times though (maybe not at the >proper/correct time), and it was _sadly_ entertaining. > > > >----------- >Jeffrey C. Wisecarver >jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX >Home (703)780-5421 >Cell (703)786-4723 >Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 >'89 RED > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 07:47:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16ClO7Q016389; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 07:47:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16ClMcu016379; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 07:47:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:01:11 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: No feet racing In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664092C2@rnc1.rnchq.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > Yes, that's the clip. Since their website seems to be down, you can d/l the clip from my website: > > http://www.witold.org/bike/leeslandinggear.wmv > > Witold My friend, Bergie, who owns/races a ZX12 made that clip for our friend Dave. They got the promo video and he put it on the web. He lost his webhost so dontbescaredracing.com is down temporarily. Thanks for putting the video online, Witold. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 09:03:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16E3Z7Q017689; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:03:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16E3RAL017679; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:03:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030206140324.50551.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 06:03:24 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: survey To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=34118166801. Georgetown Univ motorcycle survey.... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 09:53:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16Ert7Q019703; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:53:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16ErqeW019696; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:53:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E427672.FA893251@tasam.com> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:51:30 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Motor PsychoL Danny , DC Cycles Subject: Re: BBoyz(with much give away) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > I guess all that practicing in the rain with the fastest busa on the > west coast really paid off so that fishburn could race that same bike > on that curvey hilly 4 foot wide dirt road !!!! wow!!!! > > I particularly also disliked the racing sportbikes in the dirt circle > track, and back alley when the movie first came on. > > I have one question, how come the stunt riders didnt' say to the > director "look dude, this is total unbelievably stupid bullshit, > would you like to know the real scenarios?" because they were paid to ride, not to direct. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 09:57:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16EvS7Q020654; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:57:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16EvQm4020647; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:57:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: BBoyz(with much give away) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:56:05 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <002801c2cdef$e30ca610$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3E427672.FA893251@tasam.com> Maybe its because it's a movie... I can't think of a recent realistic one about motorsports Days of Thunder, Fast and the Furious... Suspension of reality, it's not always a good thing! :) -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip Smith [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:52 AM > To: Motor PsychoL Danny; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: BBoyz(with much give away) > > > > Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > > > I guess all that practicing in the rain with the fastest busa on the > > west coast really paid off so that fishburn could race that > same bike > > on that curvey hilly 4 foot wide dirt road !!!! wow!!!! > > > > I particularly also disliked the racing sportbikes in the > dirt circle > > track, and back alley when the movie first came on. > > > > I have one question, how come the stunt riders didnt' say to the > > director "look dude, this is total unbelievably stupid bullshit, > > would you like to know the real scenarios?" > > because they were paid to ride, not to direct. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 10:05:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16F5m7Q021628; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:05:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16F5gn7021617; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:05:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005301c2cdf1$32c15a60$280310ac@ddlomni.com> From: "Jon Strang" To: "Scratch" , "DCC" References: <20030206140324.50551.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: survey Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:05:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2003 15:05:34.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[32C44090:01C2CDF1] f- them. they didn't include Suzuki as a brand of current m/c. I guess I should buy that Tuono after all. --jon 01 Soozuekee Bandit 1200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scratch" To: "DCC" Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: survey > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=34118166801. > Georgetown Univ motorcycle survey.... > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 10:56:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16FuV7Q022901; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:56:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16FuThO022891; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:56:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DCC Subject: Re: survey Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:53:01 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030206140324.50551.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030206140324.50551.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <030206105301A7.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 06 February 2003 09:03, Scratch wrote: > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=34118166801. > Georgetown Univ motorcycle survey.... > I love some of the answers. At least one person has been seduced by the insurance folks. They put "Geico" under pets when they probably meant "gecko". Someone has "wife" as a pet. There are lots of birds and fish that probably should have been in the original list. Carl -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 11:04:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16G4I7Q023878; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:04:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16G4H1J023863; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:04:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E4288BF.E9872FDF@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 11:09:36 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scratch CC: DCC Subject: Re: survey References: <20030206140324.50551.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heavy Beemer response considering BMW only has a coiuple percent share of the market. I guess the organized Luv my Beemer reponse came from those who haven't had their trannys croak or suffered whiplash from the surge problems that BMW refuses to acknowledge. :-) Bill No yuppie scoot fer me... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 11:30:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16GUh7Q024988; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:30:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16GUO6J024978; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:30:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:30:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DCC Subject: Re: survey In-Reply-To: <3E4288BF.E9872FDF@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 11:09:36 -0500 > From: "William J. Huson" > > Bill > No yuppie scoot fer me... > What? You sold the Harley? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 11:48:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16GmI7Q025996; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:48:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16GmFSH025981; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:48:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E429312.70856215@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 11:53:38 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel H. Brown" CC: DCC Subject: Re: survey References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 11:09:36 -0500 > > From: "William J. Huson" > > > > Bill > > No yuppie scoot fer me... > > > > What? You sold the Harley? > Nope, still have the bagger, but it's not an RUB Yuppie special. Too much dirt, not enough chrome, and way too many miles on the OD. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 12:00:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16H017Q027002; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:00:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16GxvAN026980; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:59:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200302061653.QDA48197@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:54:06 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: survey To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Bill said: >> No yuppie scoot fer me... >> > Dan sarcastically chided: >What? You sold the Harley? > [Dave] SHYEAH. 2 things that NOBODY will think upon seeing Bill, and or his HD are : 1) yuppie 2) RUB . Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 13:32:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16IWe7Q028548; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:32:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16IWYgx028533; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:32:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030206183228.13833.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Bandit 400 For Sale on web To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There was some talk about these bikes not long ago on dccycles. Here's one for sale if anyone's interested. It's not mine nor does it belong to anyone I know. http://www.dcsportbikes.com/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=9&TopicID=300&PagePosition=1 Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 15:01:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16K127Q030803; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:01:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16K0sww030781; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:00:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030206140221.00a18610@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:03:16 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Bandit 400 For Sale on web In-Reply-To: <20030206183228.13833.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed These are great bikes. Rev-happy little motor, great performance, and VERY quick steering. My only complaint was the single disc front brake setup; not enough stopping power for my tastes. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 15:27:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16KRY7Q031854; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:27:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h16KRRf8031843; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:27:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [166.94.9.205] From: "Jeff Wisecarver" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Biker Boyz 2 coming soon! Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 15:27:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2003 20:27:03.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C212470:01C2CE1E] The next installment....(window's media file video)~30 megs http://www.curbmonkey.com/scootermania_II_part1.wmv ----------- Jeffrey C. Wisecarver jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX Home (703)780-5421 Cell (703)786-4723 Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 '89 RED ----Original Message Follows---- From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bandit 400 For Sale on web Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:03:16 -0600 These are great bikes. Rev-happy little motor, great performance, and VERY quick steering. My only complaint was the single disc front brake setup; not enough stopping power for my tastes. Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 19:45:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h170jZ7Q006908; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:45:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h170jXp6006901; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:45:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E4301D4.7E63A781@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 19:46:12 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Motor PsychoL Danny CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BBoyz(with much give away) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.157.125.54] at Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:45:21 -0600 Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > I guess all that practicing in the rain with the fastest busa on the > west coast really paid off so that fishburn could race that same bike > on that curvey hilly 4 foot wide dirt road !!!! wow!!!! > > I particularly also disliked the racing sportbikes in the dirt circle > track, and back alley when the movie first came on. > > I have one question, how come the stunt riders didnt' say to the > director "look dude, this is total unbelievably stupid bullshit, > would you like to know the real scenarios?" > Exactly..... What got me, was how they could strap up a helmet with full race style gloves on. NOT! But, I still liked the movie for some reason. I'll be buying the DVD when it comes out. Steven C. Di Pietro Interim National Director Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 21:11:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h172Bt7Q008297; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:11:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h172BrOo008281; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:11:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 01:53:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2003 01:53:01.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[A564A220:01C2CE4B] Bill wrote> Heavy Beemer response considering BMW only has a couple percent share of the market. I guess the organized Luv my Beemer reponse came from those who haven't had their trannys croak or suffered whiplash from the surge problems that BMW refuses to acknowledge. :-) ================================================================= The old Airheads were nice since you could perform most maintainence chores yourself... the K's and now the oilheads require a shop. Hope you live close to one as the dealerships are few and far between. Just look at the DC area... Bob's in Jessup and Morton's in Spotsylvania... wide dispertion... buy a BMW and you end up with a trailer or a pickup to haul it back and forth to shops for maintainence. What's the mileage between the two? Close to 75 miles I'll bet. There are other mechs around who can do the work like Phams in Alexandria... get out west a bit and the mileage between shops increases. There might be 2 in Tennessee alltogether. Honda offers many more franchises to choose from. Again... routine maintainence is still relegated to the trained technicians and not the shade tree's and a routine trip to a Honda dealer runs high. That's the problem I have with most new bikes... so I'm sticking with the older technology... at least I can still tune mine up in the driveway. Of course I may just be gun shy by all the chipsets etc... HD? Never trusted the engineering. I remember the terrible record and maintainence intervals they experienced with the shovels, pans and knuckles... my dad rode HD's so I learned from observation that they were no picnic to keep adequately maintained. I'd get a Goldwing but the $400 maintainence bills scare me. So I'm sticking with the BMW airhead... my significant other doesn't like the 2-up ergonomics... what's a cheap bastard like myself to do? Any comments? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 6 23:04:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1744X7Q010720; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:04:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1744Wxr010710; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:04:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 23:04:30 -0500 Subject: Re: survey From: Stephen Miller To: DCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ROTFL on 2/6/03 11:30 AM, Daniel H. Brown at brown@XXXXXX wrote: > On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 11:09:36 -0500 >> From: "William J. Huson" >> >> Bill >> No yuppie scoot fer me... >> > > What? You sold the Harley? > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 07:21:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17CL27Q014714; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 07:21:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17CKxiO014702; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 07:20:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003801c2cea3$5a7392f0$6600a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030206140221.00a18610@mail.mac.com> Subject: Re: Bandit 400 For Sale on web Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 07:20:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c2609ae7c09cbfc1bfc6af55cdf807e90296f93caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > My only complaint was the single disc front brake setup; > not enough stopping power for my tastes. > > Sean Jordan Two possibilities: (a) install a second disk or (b) lose weight Michael J. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 08:57:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17Dvs7Q016170; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:57:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17DvpZc016160; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:57:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 08:57:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Bandit 400 For Sale on web From: Stephen Miller To: Sean Jordan , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030206140221.00a18610@mail.mac.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've got a few hundred Bandit 400 miles under my belt, and never thought the brakes were a problem. It feels like it'll stop just as quickly as my SV 650 with dual discs. I wish more-modern 400cc sportbikes were available here in the states, like the insanely high-revving CBR400RR. on 2/6/03 3:03 PM, Sean Jordan at eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > These are great bikes. Rev-happy little motor, great performance, and VERY > quick steering. My only complaint was the single disc front brake setup; > not enough stopping power for my tastes. > > Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 09:01:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17E1v7Q017145; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:01:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17E1tLZ017138; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:01:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:15:26 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Bandit 400 For Sale on web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Stephen Miller wrote: > I've got a few hundred Bandit 400 miles under my belt, and never thought the > brakes were a problem. It feels like it'll stop just as quickly as my SV > 650 with dual discs. > > I wish more-modern 400cc sportbikes were available here in the states, like > the insanely high-revving CBR400RR. If there were more choices like that, it might encourage beginners to start on smaller bikes, instead of 120hp 600s :-\ They could still have a sportbike, but one that was a bit more forgiving. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 09:03:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17E3G7Q017683; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:03:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17E3Co4017677; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:03:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003101c2ceb1$a16aa7d0$280310ac@ddlomni.com> From: "Jon Strang" To: "Stephen Miller" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Bandit 400 For Sale on web Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:03:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2003 14:03:04.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1F4BF60:01C2CEB1] Go to the Bandit Tech forum on www.maximum-suzuki.com . I'm sure there will be something on improving the brakes on the little Bandit. Lots of guys there race 'em. My guess is s/s lines and HH pads give you easy one or two-fingered stoppies. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Miller" To: "Sean Jordan" ; Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Bandit 400 For Sale on web > I've got a few hundred Bandit 400 miles under my belt, and never thought the > brakes were a problem. It feels like it'll stop just as quickly as my SV > 650 with dual discs. > > I wish more-modern 400cc sportbikes were available here in the states, like > the insanely high-revving CBR400RR. > > on 2/6/03 3:03 PM, Sean Jordan at eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > > These are great bikes. Rev-happy little motor, great performance, and VERY > > quick steering. My only complaint was the single disc front brake setup; > > not enough stopping power for my tastes. > > > > Sean Jordan > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 09:12:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17ECq7Q019064; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:12:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17ECqSG019054; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:12:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Bandit 400 For Sale on web Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:11:38 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <003101c2ceb2$d826b0b0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Not to mention insurance would be cheaper. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:15 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bandit 400 For Sale on web > > > On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Stephen Miller wrote: > > > I've got a few hundred Bandit 400 miles under my belt, and > never thought the > > brakes were a problem. It feels like it'll stop just as > quickly as my SV > > 650 with dual discs. > > > > I wish more-modern 400cc sportbikes were available here in > the states, like > > the insanely high-revving CBR400RR. > > If there were more choices like that, it might encourage beginners to > start on smaller bikes, instead of 120hp 600s :-\ They > could still have > a sportbike, but one that was a bit more forgiving. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 09:15:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17EFg7Q020011; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:15:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17EFfst020006; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:15:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:29:17 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Bandit 400 For Sale on web In-Reply-To: <003101c2ceb2$d826b0b0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Jim McGonigle wrote: > Not to mention insurance would be cheaper. NFW, insurance companies would still find some reason to charge a couple $k/year. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 09:18:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17EIA7Q020069; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:18:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17EI9co020064; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:18:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Bandit 400 For Sale on web Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:16:54 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <003201c2ceb3$94981d60$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Not to mention insurance would be cheaper since no "real man" would drive a sissy 400! ;) ;) They will all be out wreaking their bigger bikes. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:15 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bandit 400 For Sale on web > > > On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Stephen Miller wrote: > > > I've got a few hundred Bandit 400 miles under my belt, and > never thought the > > brakes were a problem. It feels like it'll stop just as > quickly as my SV > > 650 with dual discs. > > > > I wish more-modern 400cc sportbikes were available here in > the states, like > > the insanely high-revving CBR400RR. > > If there were more choices like that, it might encourage beginners to > start on smaller bikes, instead of 120hp 600s :-\ They > could still have > a sportbike, but one that was a bit more forgiving. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 10:08:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17F897Q023031; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:08:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17F88aI023020; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:08:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:04:04 +0000 From: "Wood, Sally" Subject: Re: Biker Boyz To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >From "Motor PsychoL Danny": Guys that went to the screening, how was the movie? "rich hall" wrote: Crap. total crap. You are being too kind, Rich! ;^) This was the absolute worst 25 minutes of film I've seen (we couldn't take any more). A ridiculous charade in which the bikes were scarcely featured. Larry Fishburn must have owed somebody a big favor. Sally Weaver '01 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 10:08:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17F8r7Q023080; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:08:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17F8nLS023073; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:08:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: survey Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 10:15:06 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200302061653.QDA48197@vmms2.verisignmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200302061653.QDA48197@vmms2.verisignmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h17F8j7Q023061 ok they ask if you own more than one, and then they ask you what type. what if you own more than one and they are different brands, yet you can only click other i guess.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 10:22:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17FLx7Q024967; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:21:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17FLsBK024952; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:21:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [134.113.4.168] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: Cc: "Adam Wah" References: Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:10:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2003 15:10:38.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[126FD3C0:01C2CEBB] Adam, Seriously look at the 00'-01 VFR. Valve clearance check every 16,000 miles (with gear driven cams). The valve check can be done by a shade tree mechanic with decent tools and a torque wrench. Starter valve sync requires a set of gauges (~ $100 for a good set). There are VFR listers in the area who alreaady have the gauges and are happy to assist. Everything else is basically changing the fluids. A "tune-up" on my VFR is twisting a few valve sync screws with a gauge hooked up. Swapping plugs takes 15 minutes. Changing the air filter takes 5 minutes. Changing oil takes 30 minutes (you have to remove the left fairing to get to the oil filter). You get the idea. I put 30,000 on my first '00 with no valve adjust required. I replaced the chain/sprockets and synced the starter valves. The only other 'routine' maintenance was oil, brake, and coolant changes. Too bad I crashed it... Guess what I bought to replace it? I'm not exaggerating... Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Wah" To: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:53 PM -snip- > > That's the problem I have with most new bikes... so I'm sticking with the > older technology... at least I can still tune mine up in the driveway. Of > course I may just be gun shy by all the chipsets etc... > -snip- > I'd get a Goldwing but the $400 maintainence bills scare me. So I'm > sticking with the BMW airhead... my significant other doesn't like the 2-up > ergonomics... what's a cheap bastard like myself to do? > > Any comments? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 10:33:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17FXM7Q025063; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:33:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17FXFKV025053; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:33:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030207153250.9199.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 07:32:50 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Who Rode In Today? (n/m) To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 10:49:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17Fnp7Q027850; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:49:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17FnocY027840; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:49:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E43D431.2F419D0A@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 10:43:45 -0500 From: Carl Parker Reply-To: carl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: RE: BBoyz(with much give away) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sweet! I've been wondering when we'd get a BBoyz trashing session going! To be sure, it was going to be crap movie from the previews. Even more so, it was bound to make a bad rap for the other 99.9% of the riders out there who aren't total squidly dumb-asses (although I have to admit I'd kinda like to be able to do stoppies at will) and aren't computer animated. Fookin' Hollywood duz' it again! Jim Sed... >Suspension of reality, it's not always a good thing! :) More like stuck it into a Titan rocket and hurled it into infinite stupidity . Cheers! There's snow outside! ;^P Carl Parker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 11:02:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17G2T7Q028867; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:02:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17G2QdM028858; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:02:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Wood, Sally'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Biker Boyz Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:02:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I saw the movie and thought it was ok. I went in not expecting a academy award winner. I also think having consumed a large amount of alcohol helped also. -----Original Message----- From: Wood, Sally [mailto:sally.wood@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 10:04 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker Boyz >From "Motor PsychoL Danny": Guys that went to the screening, how was the movie? "rich hall" wrote: Crap. total crap. You are being too kind, Rich! ;^) This was the absolute worst 25 minutes of film I've seen (we couldn't take any more). A ridiculous charade in which the bikes were scarcely featured. Larry Fishburn must have owed somebody a big favor. Sally Weaver '01 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 12:01:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17H1m7Q030167; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:01:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17H1kvq030157; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:01:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E43E7BD.3E764FDC@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 12:07:09 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Who Rode In Today? (n/m) References: <20030207153250.9199.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: Who Rode In Today? HAR! I haven't even stuck my face outside today. Bill - hibernating From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 12:30:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17HUc7Q031253; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:30:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17HUc6K031243; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:30:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030207173029.35090.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:30:29 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Who Rode In Today? (n/m) To: "William J. Huson" , Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3E43E7BD.3E764FDC@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not today, but hopefully tomorrow. jib --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Who Rode In Today? > > HAR! I haven't even stuck my face outside today. > > Bill - hibernating > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 12:41:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17Hfd7Q032255; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:41:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17HfdGc032246; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:41:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:41:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200302071241.AA14090828@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Who Rode In Today? (n/m) X-Mailer: Nope, not here either. [Hanging head in shame] Took until 10am to get the car and truck dug out. Set the kids to dig a path down to the garage where the bikes are. Sidecar tomorrow! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Isaac Blanck Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:30:29 -0800 (PST) >Not today, but hopefully tomorrow. jib >--- "William J. Huson" wrote: >> Mark Kitchell wrote: >> >> Who Rode In Today? >> >> HAR! I haven't even stuck my face outside today. >> >> Bill - hibernating >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 13:16:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17IGk7Q000906; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:16:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17IGTpr000896; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:16:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 13:16:12 -0500 From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding? Today? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7A7CFD2C.6D04BDA6.0BE1AB0E@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Although I didn't ride my bike in, I'm proud of my effort to get out of the house! I inhereited 3 kids from my moving in with my SO and have found how life with 3 children is highly motivating... 1. jumping out of bed at 5:30 each morning to rush out the door before the whining begins is considered aerobic exercise 2. getting ready for bed at 7:30 PM is referred to as strategic planning going to bed at 8:30 are now deemed brainstorming sessions 3. shoveling 6" of snow off 2 cars, the porch/steps, a 6-car driveway, putting the Tracker into 4-wheel drive and waving goodbye to the father of 3 precious children who will be trapped inside a 1000 sq. ft. home for 24 hours is called... highly intelligent Taking a bow. Paula, aka LilBkrBabe I slay myself From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 13:34:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17IYH7Q002894; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:34:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17IYFfl002883; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:34:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030207183410.41359.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:34:09 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Who Rode In Today? (n/m) To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030207153250.9199.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I did Leon. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 13:58:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17Iw77Q003915; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:58:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17IvwhF003905; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:57:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Kathleen Loerich" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Food for thought Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 14:04:22 -0500 Message-ID: References: <00f901c2cc9f$397e2570$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> In-Reply-To: <00f901c2cc9f$397e2570$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h17Ivv7Q003893 1. HOV lanes are wonderful. (not as much as people get privledges, but because it allows a passing lane for the flow of traffic not to get backed up. It's better for a kid to illegally ride in the HOV lane and eventually get caught, than for him to always weave in and out of traffic congestion and cause an accident.) Giving motorcycles access to HOV is wonderful. 2. stop light filtering eases congestion, allows cars to be in spaces bikes would take up. 3. motorcycle law breakers is a self fixing problem. Spending money on catching them is a waste. It's much better to go after weaving swerving young punk drivers, than motorcycles or any other speeders. 4. Encourage slow lane tickets so that cars stay out of the slow lane so that traffic may exit and enter the high way easier, thus aiding congestion. Why idiots want to speed in the slow lane with merging traffic is beyond me. 5. Go after failure to signal and discourteous drivers. signalling makes people check where theyre going. 6. go after more peole who hold up the flow of traffic and cause congestion. people who take up two lanes.. people who try to exit from the 2nd lane over. illegal lane changes. 7. people speeding in the left lane aren' tcuasing accidents, people who swerving and disobeying the other rules of the road are causing the accidents. go after them when going on a ticketting campaign, not speeders. On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:46:14 -0500, "Kathleen Loerich" wrote: >If you had an opportunity to talk to representatives from the Maryland State >Highway Administration (SHA), the Maryland Motor Vehicle Administration >(MVA), Maryland State Police (MSP), and NHTSA (Region 3) representatives >about motorcycle safety and motorcycling in general, what questions or >comments would you have for them? > >k.loerich > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 14:07:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17J7l7Q004913; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:07:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17J7krK004905; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:07:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030207190739.11259.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:07:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Who Rode In Today? (n/m) To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030207183410.41359.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Leon Begeman wrote: > I did > Leon. > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: One of my co-workers saw News 8 show someone riding in on a motorcycle. He thought it was me. Nope, my bike is still at the shop. He couldn't give a good description, so I don't know if it was Leon or someone else. Louis __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 14:26:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17JQ07Q005932; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:26:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17JPqPi005922; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:25:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Food for thought Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:24:31 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <007b01c2cede$8fd5cbd0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Well, I wouldn't need to if the slow drivers aren't always in the left lanes. The right lane is usually the empty lane which is usually fastest. Amen to the rest... > 4. Encourage slow lane tickets so that cars stay out of the slow > lane so that traffic may exit and enter the high way easier, thus > aiding congestion. Why idiots want to speed in the slow lane with > merging traffic is beyond me. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 14:31:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17JVM7Q006899; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:31:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17JVKmR006890; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:31:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:44:40 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Food for thought In-Reply-To: <007b01c2cede$8fd5cbd0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Jim McGonigle wrote: > Well, I wouldn't need to if the slow drivers aren't always in the left > lanes. The right lane is usually the empty lane which is usually > fastest. For some reason everyone drives in the left lane on 270 in MD. I can only think that the HOV lanes have something to do with it, as it seems worse since they came into use. Driving along during early rush hour with light traffic and cars with 2 people in the them will cut over 4-5 lanes just to ride in the far left when all of the lanes they passed over were moving *FASTER* than they were traveling. :-\ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 16:35:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17LZN7Q008492; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:35:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17LYgd0008462; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:34:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <199.154754cc.2b75805e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:34:22 EST Subject: Re: Bandit 400 For Sale on web To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/7/2003 9:05:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > If there were more choices like that, it might encourage beginners to > start on smaller bikes, instead of 120hp 600s :-\ Been tried. Did not work. Honda had that 400 sport rig a while back, neat bike, could not give it away. Hell new riders (and arguably most experienced riders) cannot get everything out of a 250 Ninja. Cannot give those away either. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 16:35:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17LZr7Q008526; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:35:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17LZrvN008520; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:35:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <190.15542a4c.2b7580ae@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:35:42 EST Subject: Re: Bandit 400 For Sale on web To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/7/2003 9:18:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmcgonigle@XXXXXX writes: > no "real man" would > drive a sissy 400! ;) ;) They will all be out wreaking their bigger > bikes. At 35mph. (about where most wrecks happen) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 17:41:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h17MfJ7Q010701; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:41:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h17MfFV6010691; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:41:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030207224111.32908.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:41:11 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Bandit 400 For Sale on web To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199.154754cc.2b75805e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Hell new riders (and arguably most experienced > riders) cannot get everything > out of a 250 Ninja. Cannot give those away either. > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX I'll be happy to take as many Ninja 250s as you guys can find to give away. I'm down to two of them that run, I could use a couple more. We discussed this a few days ago on the Ninja 250 list, the concensus is that since Kawasaki already has the fastest/sportiest street 250, they don't have a lot of incentive to upgrade. With so few of them sold, the other mfrs don't have an incentive to compete with them, so what we have is what we get. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 19:24:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h180OK7Q016366; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:24:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h180OH4f016351; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:24:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767AA195@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Who Rode In Today? Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:33:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain I did. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk w/knobbies :-) 76 CB400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 19:40:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h180eR7Q018319; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:40:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h180eOYD018309; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:40:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030207192556.00a928c0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 19:33:23 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Who Rode In Today? (n/m) In-Reply-To: <20030207153250.9199.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed One of the nice things about being a computer weenie is that I can dial in and work. I started the day at 4, cleaned off the driveway, sidewalk, and my wife's car (she's a medtech and has to go to Potomic Hospital). I'm anal as can be so as she was leaving I was salting down the sidewalks and driveway. I chatted with Jay across the street (he has a Ninja). I mentioned that it was bike riding weather and said his was in storage at work. I then answered calls, attended meetings (telecon) and worked on my performance review. Mostly it was just about the same as any other day except that I didn't go to work. At lunch, I went out and hit the local fast food joints. Not as good as some of the places I hit in DC (no Chipotle's in Woodbridge :-( When I came back, I parked in the driveway and spent another 30 minutes clearing off the street for the truck. I came in, answered more mail, and finished my review. I can't send mail until I'm dialed in so I'm in now reading my inbox searching for high points for the last paragraph of my review. So, I want to be riding tomorrow. Someone said there was a show in Baltimore this weekend? Anybody? Anybody? I have to wander up to Silver Spring to work on a computer and my wife is taking me to dinner at 6:30. Back to work. Later. Evil Overlord Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 7 23:26:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h184QL7Q021138; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:26:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h184QEaW021128; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:26:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030208042605.69668.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:26:05 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Who Rode In Today? (n/m) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030207192556.00a928c0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii well here in the great white north where snow is scarcer than heat (chicago and loswer WI haven't seen squat for 2 months), the Chicago Bike show is tomorrow. I'll see if I can get any decent pictures and see about posting a writeup if it merits it. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 8 00:38:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h185ci7Q022404; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 00:38:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h185cg5k022394; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 00:38:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010e01c2cf34$4e432ef0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Carl Schelin" , "Isaac Blanck" , "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , "DCCycles" References: <20030129141412.54105.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> <0301291027526Y.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Gerbing's Heated clothing Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 00:38:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [141.156.148.29] at Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:38:31 -0600 Go up to Battley's and check out the new Vanson elect. vest. Bob's BMW stuff does not compare. MC ************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: "Isaac Blanck" ; "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" ; "DCCycles" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:27 AM Subject: Re: Gerbing's Heated clothing > On Wednesday 29 January 2003 09:14, Isaac Blanck wrote: > > Sat. I rode up to Bob's BMW and bought the heated > > jacket liner and gloves. What a difference they make. > > I'm considering getting the pants and socks. Are > > they worth it? Bob's doesn't carry these, is there > > another local dealer that does? jib > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 8 12:32:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h18HWA7Q028406; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:32:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h18HW9fx028399; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:32:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02c401c2cf97$faa9d280$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030130154746.USIB4868.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc19> Subject: Re: Local Seat Rebuild? Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:28:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [141.156.148.29] at Sat, 8 Feb 2003 11:31:58 -0600 Longo's in Rockville. Quality, experience and price. MC *********************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Local Seat Rebuild? > I'm not sure about upholstery, but there used to be a bike shop, Fairfax > Cycles, on Spring St. I tried to go there this winter though and the shop was > gone. Not sure what happenned to them. > > -- > Jeremy Purdy > '00 Yamaha V-Star > > >Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:03:28 -0500 > >From: "Chris Norloff" > >Reply-To: > >To: > >Subject: Re: Local Seat Rebuild? > > > >I paid $100 to get a two-person BMW seat recovered in color-matched > >naughahyde. > >Did a fine job. Now I can't think of the guy or the company's name. > > > >Just west of Fairfax Circle, off 29/211/50. If heading west, turn right, and > >it's the last shop on the left. Mapquest has the 3 roads west of Fairfax > >Circle > >as Roanoke, Campbell, and Spring. I think it's one of those, but the names > >don't > >ring a bell. > > > >Perhaps someone can fill in here? > > > >Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 8 12:53:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h18Hr47Q029435; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:53:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h18Hr3C3029426; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:53:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <030801c2cf9a$e4126840$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "William J. Huson" , "Chris Weaver" Cc: References: <20030130193019.14583.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> <3E39B840.D4BF2C6B@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Anyone Going to Bike Week? Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:49:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [141.156.148.29] at Sat, 8 Feb 2003 11:52:49 -0600 You could come to Deland where the rest of us stay/enjoy bike week. Let the Harleys have Daytona. MC ********************************************** > From: "William J. Huson" > Did you mean Trailer Week in Daytona? Lotsa Harleys(fresh off the > trailer), lotsa tittie flashin', lotsa RUBs dressed up like bad-ass > outlaw bikers... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 8 13:04:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h18I4d7Q031311; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:04:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h18I4Znh031301; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:04:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E4547EE.7DB6BE0E@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 13:09:50 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael R. Cecchini" CC: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone Going to Bike Week? References: <20030130193019.14583.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> <3E39B840.D4BF2C6B@patriot.net> <030801c2cf9a$e4126840$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm planning a scoot trip to Floridumb end of march for my aunt & uncles 60th anniversary party, so I'll pass. One trip to Floridumb a decade is quite enough. Bill "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > You could come to Deland where the rest of us stay/enjoy bike week. > Let the Harleys have Daytona. > > MC > > ********************************************** > > From: "William J. Huson" > > Did you mean Trailer Week in Daytona? Lotsa Harleys(fresh off the > > trailer), lotsa tittie flashin', lotsa RUBs dressed up like bad-ass > > outlaw bikers... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 8 13:15:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h18IFg7Q031393; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:15:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h18IFfvk031387; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:15:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005601c2cf9e$155a0a40$8e88db42@ALLOUTRACING> Reply-To: "Gary-All Out Racing" From: "Gary-All Out Racing" To: "Michael R. Cecchini" Cc: References: <20030130193019.14583.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> <3E39B840.D4BF2C6B@patriot.net> <030801c2cf9a$e4126840$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Subject: Re: Anyone Going to Bike Week? Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:15:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Any members thinking about hitting Myrtle Beach SC for bike week ( Over Memorial day weekend??????) I have over 10 rooms left they were reserved last year at the rate of $55.00 @ night The normal rate for that weekend is up to $225.00@ night!Let me know if anyone might be interested?- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "William J. Huson" ; "Chris Weaver" Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Anyone Going to Bike Week? > You could come to Deland where the rest of us stay/enjoy bike week. > Let the Harleys have Daytona. > > MC > > ********************************************** > > From: "William J. Huson" > > Did you mean Trailer Week in Daytona? Lotsa Harleys(fresh off the > > trailer), lotsa tittie flashin', lotsa RUBs dressed up like bad-ass > > outlaw bikers... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 8 14:53:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h18Jrb7Q032751; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:53:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h18JrXOJ032736; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:53:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <037b01c2cfab$bb80c190$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Andrew Culpepper" , References: <20030131140949.57296.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Anyone Going to Bike Week? Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:50:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.156.148.29] at Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:53:22 -0600 I'm in Deland/Daytona 1-9 also. Mike Cecchini ******************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Culpepper" To: Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Anyone Going to Bike Week? > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > Sally and I are going. We'll be there Friday through > > Monday. Anyone else going? If so, maybe we should > > get together a dc-cycles lunch or dinner that > weekend. > > > > Any takers? > > I'll be there Mar 1-9. > > Andrew C. > '90 EX500 > '01 ZR-7S > '01 MG Jackal > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 06:49:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1ABnD7Q029367; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:49:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1ABn8Xa029352; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:49:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:02:24 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: 2 up 'sporty' rides? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I may be in the market for a 2nd bike this spring. My wife keeps making noise about wanting something more comfortable for 2 up riding. We don't really tour, maybe a 3-4 hours at a time for riding (NC would be a long trip for us). Does anyone have experience with the Ducati ST* for pillion comfort? Opinions about a used ST4 vs. ST4s? I know the s model gets the 996 engine, is there a huge difference in HP and TQ? I can't find the specs for the departed plain-jane 916 equipped model. Does the s model get upgraded suspension, in addition to the larger engine? What about BMW? R1150RT (or used, R1100?)? This will be a 2nd bike for us, so I'd like something that would encourage me to ride it even when alone. :-) I like the styling of both the BMW and Ducati. I have not ridden either. I'm going to head to out to the dealers when the weather improves. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 07:53:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1ACriXo026995; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:53:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1ACrf5x026689; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:53:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3595793.1044881617300.JavaMail.nobody@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 04:52:32 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Jordan To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 I forget the name of the couple who have done (count 'em) TWO Iron Butts on a Ducati ST. Comfort is a relative thing... Michael J. -------Original Message------- From: Wayne Edelen Sent: 02/10/03 07:02 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2 up 'sporty' rides? > > I may be in the market for a 2nd bike this spring. My wife keeps making noise about wanting something more comfortable for 2 up riding. We don't really tour, maybe a 3-4 hours at a time for riding (NC would be a long trip for us). Does anyone have experience with the Ducati ST* for pillion comfort? Opinions about a used ST4 vs. ST4s? I know the s model gets the 996 engine, is there a huge difference in HP and TQ? I can't find the specs for the departed plain-jane 916 equipped model. Does the s model get upgraded suspension, in addition to the larger engine? What about BMW? R1150RT (or used, R1100?)? This will be a 2nd bike for us, so I'd like something that would encourage me to ride it even when alone. :-) I like the styling of both the BMW and Ducati. I have not ridden either. I'm going to head to out to the dealers when the weather improves. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 07:54:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1ACsTXo001049; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:54:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1ACsSGF001037; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:54:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:54:24 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Wayne Edelen cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Wayne Edelen wrote: > Does anyone have experience with the Ducati ST* for pillion comfort? > Opinions about a used ST4 vs. ST4s? I know the s model gets the 996 > engine, is there a huge difference in HP and TQ? I can't find the specs > for the departed plain-jane 916 equipped model. Does the s model get > upgraded suspension, in addition to the larger engine? > > What about BMW? R1150RT (or used, R1100?)? > > This will be a 2nd bike for us, so I'd like something that would encourage > me to ride it even when alone. :-) > > I like the styling of both the BMW and Ducati. I have not ridden either. > I'm going to head to out to the dealers when the weather improves. I recently acquired a BMW K1200rs. I had looked at the R bikes, but didn't like the look/style as much as the K's, although the R1150rt is quite a nice machine, and in retrospect, I think would have ample power for what I need. as well as better touring/relaxed riding ergos, and better weather protection... not that I dislike my K... I like it alot.... Hmmm perhaps I just need 2 bikes =). I had also looked at the Honda ST's and did not want a first model year of a significant redesign. I had also looked at the Duc ST's and the Aprillia but had some questions about the dealer networks, and longer term reliability. I use my bike for commuting as well as weekend fun, and at almost 1000 miles/month. Long term/higher mileage reliability was a significant factor. So almost a year later, I'm happy with my decision. I've added hard bags, and a bigger windscreen. I'm thinking about going to an after market saddle, the stock saddle is sloped a bit much so that it hard to move to a different seating position on longer rides. Also BMW is running a 0.9/2002 1.9/2003 financing, and they will make your first 5 payments on 48 month or longer terms, which makes about 10% of the payments for you. -john From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 10:40:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AFeCXo026695; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:40:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AFeBbG026685; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:40:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030210153952.33708.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:39:52 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: The History Channel show on Motorcycles To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030131152843.40771.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is on tonight from 9 to 11. I saw the last half of it last time, and it was pretty interesting. jib __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 11:06:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AG6BXo028640; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:06:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AG6A1F028631; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:06:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: gecko.troutman.org: apache set sender to mike@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <13817.4.64.218.18.1044893169.squirrel@www.troutman.org> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:06:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? From: "Mike Troutman" To: In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Reply-To: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit VFR is the classic ST bike. Pretty much the standard. Handles 2-up very well in my experience. But comfort is relative. If your wife wants real comfort - stick to the T side of the ST. I like all of the BMWs. Run down to Mortons and try 'em all. > I may be in the market for a 2nd bike this spring. My wife keeps making > noise about wanting something more comfortable for 2 up riding. We > don't really tour, maybe a 3-4 hours at a time for riding (NC would be a > long trip for us). ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 11:11:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AGBCXo029554; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:11:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AGBBFF029546; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:11:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E47CE8F.4A145C2F@tasam.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:08:47 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Loaner car needed in Northern VA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2nd gear synchro has gone out on my 96 saturn. I got a trans for $300, and a friend of mine is the instructor at a local high school's auto shop, and can do the swap for free. the only problem is that since it's highschool kids working on it for 1.5 hours a day, it will take 2 weeks to accomplish. Which brings me to my request. I need a loaner car for a couple weeks. My wife would be driving the car, and would probably only put about 100 miles on it. anyone got a spare car they can loan/rent me? Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 11:29:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AGT5Xo031481; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:29:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AGT4be031471; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:29:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030210162816.29067.qmail@web14811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:28:16 -0800 (PST) From: patti rodgers Subject: RE: DC motorcycle legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Following is the reply from Mercia Arnold, DC COuncil about that bill we were discussing last week: Please feel free to call me at (202) 724-8918 to learn of the substance of the bill. I drafted it. In short it provides that motorcycle enthusiasts who have taken the District's written test, may get a renewable temporary license provided that they have passed a Motorcycle Safety Foundation Course, and the written and driving test, in some other jurisdiction. The purpose of the bill is to provide an opportunity for safe Motorcycle operators who do not own motorcycles to operate motorcycles in the District without having to take a driving exam in the District. The bill provides that if the motorcycle operator purchases a motorcycle, then within 90 days of registering the motorcyle the operator must take a driver's exam on the motorcycle. "The Safe Motorcycle Operator Reciprocity Amendment Act of 2003" was assigned to the Committee on Public Works and the Environment. The Committee on Public Works and the Environment will have public hearings on it. Then they will make whatever changes they deem appropriate. Then they will submit the Committee Report and the Bill for a vote of the Committee members. Then they will submit the report and bill as revised by members of the Committee to the Council for a vote. The Council will vote and/or amend the bill. Then the Council after their second vote will send the bill to the Mayor for his signature. Then the bill will be sent to Capitol Hill for their approval. Then, after 30 legislative days on capitol hill the bill will become the law of the District of Columbia. Not sure how this affects people already holding DC licenses. DC always had reciprocity so I'm not even really sure how this affects anything at all. I asked the councilmember for more details and will pass along as I get them, but any input anyone has is great! Because quite frankly, I'm not 100% sure what it all means... -patti __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 12:32:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AHW4Xo032741; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:32:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AHW30A032731; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:32:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:45:02 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? In-Reply-To: <3595793.1044881617300.JavaMail.nobody@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Michael Jordan wrote: > I forget the name of the couple who have done (count 'em) TWO Iron Butts on a Ducati ST. > > Comfort is a relative thing... > > Michael J. No doubt. Thanks to all for the opinions and comments. I appreciate the feedback. For clarification, I'm very comfortable on my 'Busa :-) The stock seat and riding position works great for me. I like the styling of the Ducati ST* series, but I think my priorities are comfort, power :-) , handling, style and cost, in that order. You can start the jokes about my Suzuki "Eyeabuser" anytime ;-) Any FJR owners on the list? I'll keep the list updated as I get test rides. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 12:45:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AHjcXo001251; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:45:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AHjceT001241; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:45:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030210174520.97960.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:45:20 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: >> Any FJR owners on the list? > That was going to be my suggestion. I am looking real hard at the FJR1300. Comes with hard bags already. Looks good with them or without them. Plenty of power and protection from the elements with the bigger windscreen and heated grips. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 12:50:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AHoEXo001367; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:50:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AHoEeZ001359; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:50:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030210175007.99039.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:50:07 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? To: Todd Withrow , Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030210174520.97960.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, I had the chance to ride one and was very surpised at how awesome that bike is. When a good friend of mine told me how great it was, I thought he was pulling my leg. I would own one in a heartbeat. Nick --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > >> Any FJR owners on the list? > > > > That was going to be my suggestion. I am looking > real > hard at the FJR1300. Comes with hard bags already. > Looks good with them or without them. Plenty of > power > and protection from the elements with the bigger > windscreen and heated grips. > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now > society wants to childproof the world. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 12:53:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AHrdXo002314; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:53:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AHrdtq002301; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:53:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:53:00 -0600 Message-ID: <690FB8999359BF4DB292B658EA151469013075E5@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? Thread-Index: AcLRLUUZu7D8zPf/QNamPxWvZXf31Q== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1AHrcXo002289 What about the new (gasp).. Goldwing? It should meet your criteria....power should be adequate and very smooth. It's a ugly duckling too.... >>> Wayne Edelen 02/10/03 12:45PM >>> but I think my priorities are comfort, power :-) , handling, style and cost, in that order. You can start the jokes about my Suzuki "Eyeabuser" anytime ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 13:00:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AI04Xo003260; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:00:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AI04WQ003245; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:00:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:13:09 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? In-Reply-To: <690FB8999359BF4DB292B658EA151469013075E5@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > What about the new (gasp).. Goldwing? > > It should meet your criteria....power should be adequate and very > smooth. > > It's a ugly duckling too.... I'm worried they may card me at the Honda dealer and realize I'm not old enough to own a Goldwing. ;-) ;-) Seriously, if that's what it took to achieve the comfort my wife wants, I'd buy one. I would rather have a bike that I might ride to work or on a cruise on a weekend when riding alone, though. I can't see me walking out to the garage and jumping on my Goldwing and riding to work when I have 'Busa sitting next to it :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 13:02:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AI2ZXo004171; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:02:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AI2ZJI004166; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:02:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030210130054.038708b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:02:27 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? In-Reply-To: References: <690FB8999359BF4DB292B658EA151469013075E5@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:13 PM 2/10/2003, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > > > What about the new (gasp).. Goldwing? > > > > It should meet your criteria....power should be adequate and very > > smooth. > > > > It's a ugly duckling too.... > >I'm worried they may card me at the Honda dealer and realize I'm not >old >enough to own a Goldwing. ;-) ;-) > >Seriously, if that's what it took to achieve the comfort my wife >wants, >I'd buy one. I would rather have a bike that I might ride to work >or on a >cruise on a weekend when riding alone, though. I can't see me >walking out >to the garage and jumping on my Goldwing and riding to work when I >have >'Busa sitting next to it :-) far be it from me to argue with that. However, everyone that I've ever known that's bought a Winger pretty much sold every other bike they owned. The main reason was that it was so damn convenient being able to sit back, listen to music and carry every damn thing you own with you. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 13:12:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AICJXo006037; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:12:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AICJ6M006027; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:12:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030210181216.74636.qmail@web9706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:12:16 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: RE: 2 up 'sporty' rides? To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wayne sez... > I like the styling of both the BMW and Ducati. I > have not ridden either. > How about the Triumph Sprint ST? I've been very happy with mine. I think the newer ones put out about 120 Hp, and weigh about 450 lbs. And for a lot less money than the Duck. I like the styling on the current model, but them I'm teetering on the edge of old-farthood, I think. Them sharp edgey bikes don't appeal to me. And besides, if you're riding at subsonic speeds, smooth works better than pointy. Worthwhile factory accessories include a nice set of hard bags, and a well-integrated set of heated grips, and a carbon can. Aftermarket suppliers can get you a good looking double-bubbleCorbineen, and Corbing makes a great seat for it (with removable backrest - SO's love the backrest). So that's my $10 worth. There's probably more info here than at the official Triumph site: http://www.triumphnet.com/st/index.html HTH, Rich __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 13:19:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AIJgXo006973; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:19:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AIJfh8006958; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:19:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030210181924.72202.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:19:24 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: ? To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>>>>> Aftermarket suppliers can get you a good looking double-bubbleCorbineen, and Corbing makes a great seat for it <<<<<< I don't know what yahho did to that word, but it should say double-bubble "screen." Rich __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 13:22:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AIM1Xo007982; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:22:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AIM1FC007972; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:22:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yesterday Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:22:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03021013221008.10319@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Fortunately I got a chance to ride yesterday since we had the snow on Friday and I won't have another chance until next week. I happen to be on 495 at Branch Ave southbound when I saw a sportbike parked on the side of the road. My snapshot was that it was Suzuki since it was red and black. I don't know necessarily that it means anything but the color scheme and pattern immediately popped up "Suzuki". I was in the left center lane so I had no chance to stop. Fortunately two of Maryland's finest were there to assist. One on the left shoulder and one behind the biker on the right shoulder. The cop was between the guardrail and the bike bent over inspecting the front fork area. Since he seemed to have sufficient help, I continued on. Ski trip tomorrow up to Camelback in PA. No biking up though :-( Carl -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 13:30:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AIUhXo010716; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:30:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AIUhb3010706; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:30:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <142.a29e6c4.2b7949c8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:30:32 EST Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1AIUgXo010694 In a message dated 2/10/2003 1:00:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > I can't see me walking out > to the garage and jumping on my Goldwing and riding to work Test ride. You may like it, you may hate it, but is should settle your mind. The )B‘Goldwings are stunning bikes that handle remarkably well, it aint a busa, but it should surprise you. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 13:45:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AIjDXo011730; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:45:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AIjCIe011720; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:45:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:58:26 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? In-Reply-To: <142.a29e6c4.2b7949c8@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1AIjBXo011703 On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 2/10/2003 1:00:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wayne@XXXXXX writes: > > > I can't see me walking out > > to the garage and jumping on my Goldwing and riding to work > > Test ride. You may like it, you may hate it, but is should settle your mind. > The )B‘Goldwings are stunning bikes that handle remarkably well, it aint a > busa, but it should surprise you. I'm sure it's a great bike. I'd rather stick to the sport-touring rides for now, there are a bunch out there for me to choose and test ride. If I exhaust those choices, I'll start looking at bikes like the Goldwing and the K1200LT. Of those 2, I like the styling of the Honda. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 13:47:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AIlGXo011793; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:47:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AIlGas011787; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:47:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030210134617.038790f0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:47:08 -0500 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? In-Reply-To: References: <142.a29e6c4.2b7949c8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1AIlFXo011775 At 01:58 PM 2/10/2003, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/10/2003 1:00:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > wayne@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > I can't see me walking out > > > to the garage and jumping on my Goldwing and riding to work > > > > Test ride. You may like it, you may hate it, but is should settle > your mind. > > The )B‘Goldwings are stunning bikes that handle remarkably well, > it aint a > > busa, but it should surprise you. > >I'm sure it's a great bike. I'd rather stick to the sport-touring >rides >for now, there are a bunch out there for me to choose and test ride. > >If I exhaust those choices, I'll start looking at bikes like the >Goldwing >and the K1200LT. Of those 2, I like the styling of the Honda. bah...just lean REEEAAALL far forward on the winger and put your feet on the passenger pegs. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 14:11:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AJBSXo013712; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:11:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AJBRvt013704; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:11:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ac01c2d138$314d04a0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:11:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [141.156.147.211] at Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:11:17 -0600 You mean you can't see it ....... "today". Yes it's huge..........and it's big..........and it's certainly not a sport bike, but as god is my judge I've had guys on Wings fill my mirrors for so many miles that it's almost embarrassing. And I ain't no poke. Their not my cup of tea either....... but Wings do their "thing" really really well. And if I needed to be in LA or Miami in a hurry on 2 wheels, I have to give it some serious thought. MC ******************************************** I can't see me walking out to the garage and jumping on my Goldwing and riding to work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 15:02:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AK2NXo015077; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:02:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AK2MuR015067; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:02:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:05:27 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up 'sporty' rides? In-Reply-To: <00ac01c2d138$314d04a0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > Yes it's huge..........and it's big..........and it's certainly not a sport bike, but > as god is my judge I've had guys on Wings fill my mirrors for so many miles that it's > almost embarrassing. And I ain't no poke. > I chased one down on 33, but it took lots of work to catch up to him. He singaled for me to pass but I was content with his pace. They really do eat up turns well. I had the chance to ride a 95, it was quite a decent machine, only thing I don't like is the low rev limit. I'd love to have one in my stable as a 5th or 6th bike. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 16:53:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1ALrHXo016705; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:53:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1ALrC9x016690; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:53:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030210215310.98698.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:53:10 -0800 (PST) From: patti rodgers Subject: "final" word on DC legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think I finally understand this new bill. Basically it says that, if you do NOT own a motorcycle, you can get your DC motorcycle license by taking and passing the MSF class and written/road tests in any other state plus the DC written test. As soon as you title a motorcycle in DC you have to take the DC road test. If you already have a DC license or a valid (non-expired) license in another state you get a full-on DC license without any other testing. It basically benefits someone who wants to learn to ride without having their own bike. You can renew it up to 4 years. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 16:56:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1ALu0Xo017730; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:56:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1ALu0nn017719; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:56:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.17.21.61] From: "Charlie Ozark" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: newbie registration and licensing Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:43:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2003 21:43:53.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[81C0D320:01C2D14D] I'm brand new to the community (riding that is, not DC) and I'm about to register with the DC DMV. As I understand, I need to 1-insure bike 2-get temporary tags 3-get bike inspected 4-exchange old title (NY) for new title and registration This is all well and good, but I don't have an operator's license yet (I do have the "learner's permit" though). Any advice on how to sequence all of the above along with getting a license? I think it may be a bit of a catch 22 -how am I supposed to practice without a bike (how too, when the learner's permit demands but doesn't define "supervision"... I can't imagine they want me to learn 2-up!)? Calls and visits to the DMV have failed miserably. I refuse to let the bureaucratic nightmare that is DC keep me from learning to ride. Thanks in advance. PS- I'll be in an MSF course in April, I recently bought the bike and am finishing getting gear this month. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 20:03:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1B13GXo026329; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:03:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1B13Fbp026322; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:03:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:51:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2003 00:51:13.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACE59940:01C2D167] A MCing friend of mine is sick of MSN and is looking for decent dial-up. Any suggestions? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 20:11:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1B1BJXo028036; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:11:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1B1BJZ3028025; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:11:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030210201103.02f87c30@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:11:12 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:51 PM 2/10/2003, Adam Wah wrote: >A MCing friend of mine is sick of MSN and is looking for decent >dial-up. > >Any suggestions? > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 definitely AT&T Worldnet for dialup. Very reliable and they have a local access number in just about every city in the US. Something like $21.00 a month for unlimited access. I'd still be with them if I could have their broadband access. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 20:19:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1B1JwXo029858; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:19:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1B1JwTF029848; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:19:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:19:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal As far a cheapo access goes, I think Juno is fine. I've not had any trouble with them. I only use them at work (I have dsl at home). LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Adam Wah said: A MCing friend of mine is sick of MSN and is looking for decent dial-up. Any suggestions? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 20:43:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1B1hbXo032672; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:43:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1B1hZ3X032657; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:43:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006001c2d16e$fe6f4cf0$782a2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <200302110000.h1B001F6021214@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Titling a bike in DC Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:42:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > From: "Charlie Ozark" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: newbie registration and licensing > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:43:53 -0500 > > I'm brand new to the community (riding that is, not DC) and I'm about to > register with the DC DMV. As I understand, I need to > > 1-insure bike > 2-get temporary tags > 3-get bike inspected > 4-exchange old title (NY) for new title and registration > > This is all well and good, but I don't have an operator's license yet (I do > have the "learner's permit" though). Any advice on how to sequence all of > the above along with getting a license? > > I think it may be a bit of a catch 22 -how am I supposed to practice without > a bike (how too, when the learner's permit demands but doesn't define > "supervision"... I can't imagine they want me to learn 2-up!)? > > Calls and visits to the DMV have failed miserably. I refuse to let the > bureaucratic nightmare that is DC keep me from learning to ride. Thanks in > advance. > > PS- I'll be in an MSF course in April, I recently bought the bike and am > finishing getting gear this month. Charlie, your outline is pretty much spot on. You don't need a DC MC *endorsement* to title and register a bike here, merely a valid DC driver's license. "Supervision" is in the eye of the beholder. My advice, don't get pulled over. The only catch is you need to have a DC-inspected and insured bike to take the riding test. My advice - I'd call for a driver's test appointment as soon as you finish the MSF course. In the interest of full disclosure, I rode on a learner's permit for about three months. In fact, I had to renew my learner's permit because the first one expired while I was waiting for my appointment date to come up. Feel free to ping me off list if you have other questions. I'm on digest at the moment. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 21:12:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1B2CrXo003181; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:12:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1B2CqvQ003171; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:12:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E485D68.6583CAA7@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:18:16 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Wah CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Wah wrote: > A MCing friend of mine is sick of MSN and is looking for decent dial-up. > > Any suggestions? > I use patriot.net in Fairfax. http://www.patriot.net/community/index.mv Nice folks Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 22:06:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1B36eXo005251; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:06:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1B36dxO005241; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:06:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000901c2d173$0e5215e0$ce795c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: DC motorcycle legislation Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:12:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: patti rodgers Following is the reply from Mercia Arnold, DC COuncil about that bill we were discussing last week: Please feel free to call me at (202) 724-8918 to learn of the substance of the bill. I drafted it. . . ..snip Patti continues -- Not sure how this affects people already holding DC licenses. DC always had reciprocity so I'm not even really sure how this affects anything at all. I asked the councilmember for more details and will pass along as I get them, but any input anyone has is great! Because quite frankly, I'm not 100% sure what it all means... -patti "Because quite frankly, I'm not 100% sure what it all means..." Yes. There does seem to be additional convolution intertwined with existing mobius in this bill. One of the major Catch 22's in getting my MC license as a DC resident was reluctance of inscos to insure without the M endorsement. And why should other states test/endorse nonresidents? And have learner permit rules been clarified as applied to mc's? A little more spice for the stew which seems to need a drastic recipe change. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > against continental drift Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 10 22:15:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1B3F4Xo007113; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:15:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1B3F1hs007098; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:15:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 11 Feb 2003 03:14:50 GMT Message-ID: <00ad01c2d10e$b9599b80$f31e5aa6@oemcomputer> From: "Alex & Kris Morse" To: References: <200302110000.h1B001F6021214@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/10/03 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:14:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 At least in practice, the DC DMV doesn't have any problem with people arriving at the road test site on their own bikes "unsupervised" by a liscensed rider. Alex Mt. Pleasant 01 Bandit, Black & Nekkit > From: "Charlie Ozark" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: newbie registration and licensing > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:43:53 -0500 > > I'm brand new to the community (riding that is, not DC) and I'm about to > register with the DC DMV. As I understand, I need to > > 1-insure bike > 2-get temporary tags > 3-get bike inspected > 4-exchange old title (NY) for new title and registration > > This is all well and good, but I don't have an operator's license yet (I do > have the "learner's permit" though). Any advice on how to sequence all of > the above along with getting a license? > > I think it may be a bit of a catch 22 -how am I supposed to practice without > a bike (how too, when the learner's permit demands but doesn't define > "supervision"... I can't imagine they want me to learn 2-up!)? > > Calls and visits to the DMV have failed miserably. I refuse to let the > bureaucratic nightmare that is DC keep me from learning to ride. Thanks in > advance. > > PS- I'll be in an MSF course in April, I recently bought the bike and am > finishing getting gear this month. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 07:58:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BCwcXo012034; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:58:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BCwYej012024; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:58:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYKWtHyWDCqhGTRm3JupMU6ZXsrtv9RvJisyuM4qHri85BNPZwPh8Tvcv7/nHOvXg8= From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:58:32 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010EC4@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830C0846@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 For really cheapo (free) netzero works fine for me. I have it on my laptop for when I travel; I've never been in a city without a local dialup. There is the banner, but it stays where I put it (at the top of the screen), and I size the browser just underneath it. It's about the size of the two toolbars at the top of explorer, so it's not really all that obtrusive. For a few bucks, you can get rid of it. --jon (in full PMS (Parked Motorcycle Syndrome) mode, so watch it around me) ----- LindaT. Wrote: As far a cheapo access goes, I think Juno is fine. I've not had any trouble with them. I only use them at work (I have dsl at home). Adam Wah said: A MCing friend of mine is sick of MSN and is looking for decent dial-up. Any suggestions? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 10:08:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BF8gXo013606; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:08:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BF8gub013596; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:08:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:08:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: DC Motorcycle Legislation From: Jeff Steele To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:53:10 -0800 (PST) > From: patti rodgers > Subject: "final" word on DC legislation > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I think I finally understand this new bill. Basically > it says that, if you do NOT own a motorcycle, you can > get your DC motorcycle license by taking and passing > the MSF class and written/road tests in any other > state plus the DC written test. As soon as you title a > motorcycle in DC you have to take the DC road test. > If you already have a DC license or a valid > (non-expired) license in another state you get a > full-on DC license without any other testing. It > basically benefits someone who wants to learn to ride > without having their own bike. You can renew it up to > 4 years. > I finally got the text of the bill. Anyone interested can find it here: http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/lims/getleg1.asp?legno=B15-0131 Patty, your understanding is correct, with one crucial missing stipulation. The bill says the following: "...persons who own a motorcycle may take the District's road test only after passing a state certified Motorcycle Safety Foundation Operator's Course ..." While I strongly support MSF and think the motivation of this clause is laudable, the realities of MSF courses in our region mean that many potential riders would face significant barriers to obtaining a license. Also, I don't think that the bill goes far enough in providing reciprocity for passing the MSF course. According to the bill, even if you pass the riding portion of the MSF course in another state, you will still have to take DC's riding test. In my view, passing the riding portion in any state should exempt you from DC's test (only because I understand its a pain to schedule the exam and that its a waste of time and doesn't really test anything). Is anyone interested in joining together on an effort to get some modifications to this bill? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 11:39:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BGd8Xo016942; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:39:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BGd7q1016932; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:39:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030211163905.38098.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:39:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric M. Winslow" Subject: Re: DC Motorcycle Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll email Fenty to let him know that the provision that requires the MSF course is not good. Eric M. Winslow '94 KLR650 --- Jeff Steele wrote: > > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:53:10 -0800 (PST) > > From: patti rodgers > > Subject: "final" word on DC legislation > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > I think I finally understand this new bill. Basically > > it says that, if you do NOT own a motorcycle, you can > > get your DC motorcycle license by taking and passing > > the MSF class and written/road tests in any other > > state plus the DC written test. As soon as you title a > > motorcycle in DC you have to take the DC road test. > > If you already have a DC license or a valid > > (non-expired) license in another state you get a > > full-on DC license without any other testing. It > > basically benefits someone who wants to learn to ride > > without having their own bike. You can renew it up to > > 4 years. > > > > I finally got the text of the bill. Anyone interested can find it > here: > > http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/lims/getleg1.asp?legno=B15-0131 > > Patty, your understanding is correct, with one crucial missing > stipulation. The bill says the following: > > "...persons who own a motorcycle may take the District's road test > only > after passing a state certified Motorcycle Safety Foundation > Operator's > Course ..." > > While I strongly support MSF and think the motivation of this clause > is > laudable, the realities of MSF courses in our region mean that many > potential riders would face significant barriers to obtaining a > license. Also, I don't think that the bill goes far enough in > providing reciprocity for passing the MSF course. According to the > bill, even if you pass the riding portion of the MSF course in > another > state, you will still have to take DC's riding test. In my view, > passing the riding portion in any state should exempt you from DC's > test (only because I understand its a pain to schedule the exam and > that its a waste of time and doesn't really test anything). > > Is anyone interested in joining together on an effort to get some > modifications to this bill? > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 11:46:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BGk4Xo018833; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:46:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BGk42s018820; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:46:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030211164602.97673.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:46:02 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: DC Motorcycle Legislation To: "Eric M. Winslow" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030211163905.38098.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I forwarded the link for the legislation to the AMA, who've told me they'll look at it and get back to me in a few days. jib --- "Eric M. Winslow" wrote: > I'll email Fenty to let him know that the provision > that requires the > MSF course is not good. > > Eric M. Winslow > '94 KLR650 > > --- Jeff Steele wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:53:10 -0800 (PST) > > > From: patti rodgers > > > Subject: "final" word on DC legislation > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > > I think I finally understand this new bill. > Basically > > > it says that, if you do NOT own a motorcycle, > you can > > > get your DC motorcycle license by taking and > passing > > > the MSF class and written/road tests in any > other > > > state plus the DC written test. As soon as you > title a > > > motorcycle in DC you have to take the DC road > test. > > > If you already have a DC license or a valid > > > (non-expired) license in another state you get a > > > full-on DC license without any other testing. > It > > > basically benefits someone who wants to learn to > ride > > > without having their own bike. You can renew it > up to > > > 4 years. > > > > > > > I finally got the text of the bill. Anyone > interested can find it > > here: > > > > > http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/lims/getleg1.asp?legno=B15-0131 > > > > Patty, your understanding is correct, with one > crucial missing > > stipulation. The bill says the following: > > > > "...persons who own a motorcycle may take the > District's road test > > only > > after passing a state certified Motorcycle Safety > Foundation > > Operator's > > Course ..." > > > > While I strongly support MSF and think the > motivation of this clause > > is > > laudable, the realities of MSF courses in our > region mean that many > > potential riders would face significant barriers > to obtaining a > > license. Also, I don't think that the bill goes > far enough in > > providing reciprocity for passing the MSF course. > According to the > > bill, even if you pass the riding portion of the > MSF course in > > another > > state, you will still have to take DC's riding > test. In my view, > > passing the riding portion in any state should > exempt you from DC's > > test (only because I understand its a pain to > schedule the exam and > > that its a waste of time and doesn't really test > anything). > > > > Is anyone interested in joining together on an > effort to get some > > modifications to this bill? > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Fish. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:52:11 -0600 From: Holly at New Enough Reply-To: paul.t@XXXXXX To: new enough Subject: Tuesday email sale Our Joe Rocket distributor has offered us a closeout price on blue and red Phoenix jackets (last year's model). Take advantage of this sale at $59 each for the upcoming summer months. Joe Rocket 2002 Phoenix Jackets (Red and Blue only) http://www.newenough.com/closeouts/textile_hot_weather.htm Price: Was $99, Now $59 You'll notice that we only have a few in stock and the rest are "on the way". Feel free to place your order for any size and those will be shipped next week. This sale will continue until no more are available, so go ahead and let your friends know. Thanks for shopping with us, Paul, Holly, Laura, Mark, Megan and Jon _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe from our list go here: http://two.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/newenough From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 13:25:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BIP5Xo024136; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:25:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BIP4lc024126; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:25:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030211182502.27306.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:25:02 -0800 (PST) From: patti rodgers Subject: Re: DC Motorcycle Legislation To: Jeff Steele , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Patty, your understanding is correct, with one crucial missing stipulation. The bill says the following: >>"...persons who own a motorcycle may take the District's road test only after passing a state certified Motorcycle Safety Foundation Operator's Course ..." This is, of course, exactly opposite of what my councilmember told me. Guess I better start the emails again. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 14:11:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BJB1Xo025380; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:11:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BJB0QO025370; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:11:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:10:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: Further on DC Legislation From: Jeff Steele To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <8D263583-3DF4-11D7-9B09-00306541B6AC@steele.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1BJAxXo025358 Here is more info. about the motorcycle licensing bill. The bill was introduced by Council Member Vincent Orange. Bill# B15-0131, the "SAFE MOTORCYCLE OPERATOR RECIPROCITY AMENDMENT ACT OF 2003" has been referred to the Committee on Public Works and the Environment. I noticed that someone said they were contacting Adrian Fenty. He really can't help at this point because it he doesn't serve on this committee. Below is a list of committee members and contact info. If you live in DC, please contact the Carol Schwartz as she is both the chairperson and an At-Large member. If you live in Wards 8, 1, 5, or 3, also contact your Council member. Carol Schwartz, Chairperson At-Large member Voice: (202) 724-8105)B  Fax: (202) 724-8071 Email: carol.schwartz@XXXXXX )B  Sandy Allen Ward 8 Email: cmallen@XXXXXX Jim Graham Ward 1 Voice: (202) 724-8181 Fax: (202) 724-8109 Email: grahamwone@XXXXXX Vincent B. Orange, Sr. Ward 5 Voice: 202-724-8028 Fax: 202-724-8076 Email: ward5input@XXXXXX )B  Kathy Patterson Ward 3 Email: kpatterson@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 15:08:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BK8AXo028441; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:08:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BK89ek028434; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:08:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007c01c2d209$6a85fde0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Patti Rodgers" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: MC licensing bill in DC Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:07:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I read Patti's posts from last night and I'm still not 100% sure what this legislation is trying to accomplish. It seems at first glance it benefits those who don't have access to a motorcycle to take the riding test, but who have taken the MSF in another jurisdiction and want to ride on an interim basis. It allows you to ride with the full privileges of an "M" endorsement without taking DC's riding test, unless you title and register a MC in your own name. In that case it seems to be an rather novel approach to link vehicle ownership with a riding test requirement. That part seems a little odd to me. Some problems I see --- 1) Why should it matter whether you have your own MC or not before you have to submit to DC's riding test? Having an MSF completion card is a much better gauge of rider skill than DC's rudimentary riding test. 2) Holding a valid (I can see DMV counter drones having problems with this) MSF completion card should entitle you to get a permanent DC endorsement after passing DC's written test, no questions asked. It should not only apply to those who don't own a bike. DC riding test should be for only those riders without an MSF completion card from another jurisdiction. 3) DC needs its own MSF program, but that's a topic for another day. I'd like to find out when they're having hearings on this and present these issues before the committee. Being a MSF RiderCoach might gain me some traction. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 15:12:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BKCAXo030425; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:12:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BKC8v1030410; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:12:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030211151042.03176f60@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:12:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: MC licensing bill in DC In-Reply-To: <007c01c2d209$6a85fde0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:07 PM 2/11/2003, Paul Wilson wrote: >I read Patti's posts from last night and I'm still not 100% sure >what this >legislation is trying to accomplish. It seems at first glance it >benefits >those who don't have access to a motorcycle to take the riding test, >but who >have taken the MSF in another jurisdiction and want to ride on an >interim >basis. It allows you to ride with the full privileges of an "M" >endorsement >without taking DC's riding test, unless you title and register a MC >in your >own name. In that case it seems to be an rather novel approach to >link >vehicle ownership with a riding test requirement. That part seems a >little >odd to me. > >Some problems I see --- > >1) Why should it matter whether you have your own MC or not >before you >have to submit to DC's riding test? Having an MSF completion card >is a much >better gauge of rider skill than DC's rudimentary riding test. >2) Holding a valid (I can see DMV counter drones having problems >with >this) MSF completion card should entitle you to get a permanent DC >endorsement after passing DC's written test, no questions asked. It >should >not only apply to those who don't own a bike. DC riding test should >be for >only those riders without an MSF completion card from another >jurisdiction. >3) DC needs its own MSF program, but that's a topic for another >day. > >I'd like to find out when they're having hearings on this and >present these >issues before the committee. Being a MSF RiderCoach might gain me >some >traction. to me, it makes perfect sense to have an MSF card waive the *riding* portion of the test and the applicant should only have to take the *written* portion of the test. The rules of riding a bike are universal, the local laws are not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 15:57:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BKvDXo000940; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:57:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BKvCq4000930; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:57:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E49636C.9EA40383@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:56:12 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Steele CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Motorcycle Legislation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff Steele wrote: > Patty, your understanding is correct, with one crucial missing > stipulation. The bill says the following: > > "...persons who own a motorcycle may take the District's road test only > after passing a state certified Motorcycle Safety Foundation Operator's > Course ..." > > While I strongly support MSF and think the motivation of this clause is > laudable, the realities of MSF courses in our region mean that many > potential riders would face significant barriers to obtaining a > license. Also, I don't think that the bill goes far enough in > providing reciprocity for passing the MSF course. According to the > bill, even if you pass the riding portion of the MSF course in another > state, you will still have to take DC's riding test. In my view, > passing the riding portion in any state should exempt you from DC's > test (only because I understand its a pain to schedule the exam and > that its a waste of time and doesn't really test anything). > > Is anyone interested in joining together on an effort to get some > modifications to this bill? Yikes! That is a bad deal. Of course I'd be all for it IF the various DMVs provided enough $$$ to fund an MSF program that met the needs, as in sign up and get the class within 15 days instead of the present situation - wait for months. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 16:04:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BL4YXo001108; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:04:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BL4Xrf001091; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:04:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:04:31 -0500 Subject: Re: DC Motorcycle Legislation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" From: Jeff Steele In-Reply-To: <3E49636C.9EA40383@patriot.net> Message-Id: <6A683E26-3E04-11D7-BDF6-00306541B6AC@steele.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 03:56 PM, William J. Huson wrote: > Yikes! That is a bad deal. Of course I'd be all for it IF the various > DMVs provided enough $$$ to fund an MSF program that met the needs, as > in > sign up and get the class within 15 days instead of the present > situation - > wait for months. > > Bill > Exactly my position. Plus, as Paul said, passing the MSF course in any state should exempt you from the riding portion of the DMV's test. Jeff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 11 16:45:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BLjPXo004148; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:45:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BLjKeY004138; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:45:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001b01c2d216$fd94dc20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , "Jeff Steele" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <6A683E26-3E04-11D7-BDF6-00306541B6AC@steele.com> Subject: Re: DC Motorcycle Legislation Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:45:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Steele" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:04 PM Subject: Re: DC Motorcycle Legislation > > On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 03:56 PM, William J. Huson wrote: > > > Yikes! That is a bad deal. Of course I'd be all for it IF the various > > DMVs provided enough $$$ to fund an MSF program that met the needs, as > > in > > sign up and get the class within 15 days instead of the present > > situation - > > wait for months. > > > > Bill > > > > Exactly my position. Plus, as Paul said, passing the MSF course in any > state should exempt you from the riding portion of the DMV's test. > > Jeff Until such time as DC has its own program. I've downloaded the text of the bill and I still think it's goofy that you can get a full blown endorsement for a year after passing MSF (the bill references MSF's "Motorcycle Safety Course"; there's no such animal) and *renew it four times* but if you register a bike of your own, you must appear for a road test in *90 days.* Why do the requirements magically change just because you have a bike of your own? Perhaps the Bill needs to be re-titled the "Motorcycle Road Test Examiner's Full Employment Act of 2003." Another thing, I wonder how the powers that be in MD and VA feel about DC changing its licensing requirements and putting them in the position of providing training for DC residents. I'm thinking this bill is an opportunity to get a DC "state" MSF program off the ground, or get the Council to drop this until they have a training program in place. I'm all for "incentivizing" folks to take MSF, but it needs to be done right. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 08:03:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1CD3WXo014735; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:03:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1CD3TCD014720; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:03:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <8252781.1045055005745.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 05:02:19 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2nd Annual DC-Cycles Alps Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Last year's turnout was pretty poor (maybe because I didn't tell anyone) - so here's your chance to get in on this year's ride. When: 13 - 27 June Where: northern Italy, eastern Switzerland, maybe Lichtenstein and possibly a bit of Austria. British Airways has cheap tickets ($700), and I'm looking at a place with 5 apartments (each sleeps 6 (3 bedrooms)) for $770/week. Bikes are available at a number of places in Milano. I'm looking to do a week based in an apartment in Italy and then drift west into Switzerland winding up in Andermatt for 3 or 4 days. URLs: Bike rentals: http://www.biancoblu.com http://www.mototouring.com http://rent.motonline.com/en/ricerca.asp Apartment: http://www.parkervillas.com/villas/trentino.cfm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 11:28:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1CGSAXo019557; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:28:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1CGS7WV019547; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:28:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:27:33 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mjordan812@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2nd Annual DC-Cycles Alps Ride MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <65A2DD16.5A7FC37F.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Man......I'd love to join you but, I've already got my vacations scheduled for this year. Scooter In a message dated 2/12/2003 5:02:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > > > Last year's turnout was pretty poor (maybe because I didn't tell anyone) - so here's your chance to get in on this year's ride. > > When: 13 - 27 June > > Where: northern Italy, eastern Switzerland, maybe Lichtenstein and possibly a bit of Austria. > > British Airways has cheap tickets ($700), and I'm looking at a place with 5 apartments (each sleeps 6 (3 bedrooms)) for $770/week. Bikes are available at a number of places in Milano. > > I'm looking to do a week based in an apartment in Italy and then drift west into Switzerland winding up in Andermatt for > 3 or 4 days. > > URLs: > > Bike rentals: > http://www.biancoblu.com > http://www.mototouring.com > http://rent.motonline.com/en/ricerca.asp > > Apartment: > http://www.parkervillas.com/villas/trentino.cfm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 15:09:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1CK9oXo023681; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:09:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1CK9lfn023666; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:09:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:10:14 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Trade for a Track bike? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1CK9kXo023654 Since I can't seem to see my dirt bike I would consider a trade, anyone have a nice Track bike they would consider trading for a almost new 2002 KDX 220R enduro? A race prepped SV650 would be ideal. See link below http://www.sportbikes.ws/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5675 Cheers, George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 15:12:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1CKCwXo026514; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:12:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1CKCwAx026504; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:12:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Trade for a Track bike? Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:13:00 -0600 Message-ID: <690FB8999359BF4DB292B658EA15146901733859@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Trade for a Track bike? Thread-Index: AcLS0xf841p7qskwQvChAQGldBay7Q== From: To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1CKCvXo026492 Er I meant SELL....... >>> Cole, George 02/12/03 03:10PM >>> Since I can't seem to see my dirt bike I would consider a trade, anyone have a nice Track bike they would consider trading for a almost new 2002 KDX 220R enduro? A race prepped SV650 would be ideal. See link below http://www.sportbikes.ws/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5675 Cheers, George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 15:28:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1CKSDXo032027; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:28:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1CKSDoV032017; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:28:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:28:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Trade for a Track bike? From: Stephen Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I thought you had an R6 track bike already... Anyway, I can forward your message to the SV list if you like. There's also an SV racers' list, I believe. - Steve on 2/12/03 3:10 PM, George Cole at George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > Since I can't seem to see my dirt bike I would consider a trade, anyone have a > nice Track bike they would consider trading for a almost new 2002 KDX 220R > enduro? > > A race prepped SV650 would be ideal. > > See link below > > http://www.sportbikes.ws/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5675 > > Cheers, > > George > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 12 16:07:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1CL7rXo003497; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:07:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1CL7qHt003487; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:07:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Trade for a Track bike? Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:07:00 -0600 Message-ID: <690FB8999359BF4DB292B658EA151469016FD63C@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Trade for a Track bike? Thread-Index: AcLS2sIKugVwL9SaSImjacEbXQnEvw== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1CL7pXo003470 I sold it in November... :o( If you could forward this to the SV list that would be great Thanks, George >>> Stephen Miller 02/12/03 03:28PM >>> I thought you had an R6 track bike already... Anyway, I can forward your message to the SV list if you like. There's also an SV racers' list, I believe. - Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 08:33:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1DDXfXo016329; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:33:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1DDXbFd016314; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:33:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbW6DGCPHqs1OmoEfOTGJ7G5VDPfGvTgyQXHUAhKnuQR7+kWzaaBnHRq811qF+fqEc= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: a virago of sorts. Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:33:30 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B8307C3BE@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830C0988@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> http://www.viragoownersclub.org/Paul%20Scott/rdc.htm no comment possible. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 13 13:40:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1DIe4Xo021430; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:40:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1DIe310021420; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:40:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c801c2d38f$74c13b80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: DC MSF legislation - your input needed! Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:39:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Folks, I've been working on several angles with respect to this bill, which is now sitting on the docket of the Committee on Public Works, hearings as yet unscheduled. We've already kicked around some of our concerns on the list. But, it's probably not something, in all its minutia, that should burden the solons of the DC-Cycles list. So, if you want to be put on an informal email list to share ideas and concerns as things progress, please respond to me directly. I'm also like to hear from people who'd be interested in forming the nucleus of a future DC-based MSF training program. Some topics for discussion amongst DC motorcyclists and some information gathering that might be useful in the upcoming hearings 1- How would you rate the effectiveness of the current DC licensing system in terms of promoting safe(r) riding? 2- In your experience, does the riding test impose a significant barrier to folks getting the proper endorsement? 3- How important is MSF training to you? 4- Would you be more inclined to take an MSF course if it allowed you to bypass the DC riding test? (BTW, the bill as it now written does *not* contain this provision.) 5- For those DCers who took MSF "out of state" what was your primary motivation? Learn to ride as a beginner, learn to ride better as an experienced motorcyclist, get safety tips, "refresher" course after not riding for a time, insurance discount, etc. 6- How long did you have to wait to take MSF courses in either Virginia or Maryland? 7- For those of you who have mentored new riders, have you recommended MSF training? What was the new rider's response when he or she found out there was no DC course and it didn't help meet legal requirements for a license? 8- Would you like to see a scooter course offered? 9- For those who initially got an endorsement out of state and moved to DC, were there any bureaucratic hassles in getting your DC license with an "M" endorsement? Pax, out. Paul (in DC) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 11:40:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1EGeBXo004172; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:40:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1EGe77P004165; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:40:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E4D1A6B.6233FA71@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:33:48 -0500 From: Carl Parker Reply-To: carl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SABMAGERS , DCCycles Subject: Phoenix alternative by Marsee... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You Allz, Was browsing around looking for bah-gan overalls and found mesh jackets and pants that are armored but MUCH less conspicuous looking. Made by Scholler of Switzerland. All black with no garrish labels. Only 99 bucks. Might be worth checking out although there are limited sizes. I might order one myself. http://www.sierratradingpost.com and search for "Marsee". They got gloves too. Carl Parker "I'm a Chickenhawk and I'm huntin' me some chickens" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 17:55:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1EMtxXo008453; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:55:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1EMtwaD008443; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:55:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E4D722C.7040805@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:48:12 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Exhaust pipe bending Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought I had posted this before, but I think it may have gotten lost in cyberspace. Anyone on the list know anything about and have experience bending exhaust pipes? I'm interested in increasing the upsweep of my "connector pipe" (i.e., the piece that connects to the cannister). How easily (or not) is this done? Can it be done with the exhaust system (sans the can, of course) still on the bike? FYI, I've got a D&D full exhuast (regular steel headers and pipe). Basically, I'm only interested if it can be done for relatively cheap. It's for my "rat" FZR600 track bike with lights and purely for cosmetic reasons. Thanx! Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 18:49:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1ENnAXo011594; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:49:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1ENnAZ3011588; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:49:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E4D8043.55F2B10@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:48:19 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Exhaust pipe bending References: <3E4D722C.7040805@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > I thought I had posted this before, but I think it may have gotten lost > in cyberspace. > > Anyone on the list know anything about and have experience bending > exhaust pipes? I'm interested in increasing the upsweep of my > "connector pipe" (i.e., the piece that connects to the cannister). How > easily (or not) is this done? Can it be done with the exhaust system > (sans the can, of course) still on the bike? FYI, I've got a D&D full > exhuast (regular steel headers and pipe). Basically, I'm only > interested if it can be done for relatively cheap. It's for my "rat" > FZR600 track bike with lights and purely for cosmetic reasons. > > Thanx! > > Chuck You'll need leverage, so hopefully the pipe piece is long enough to work with. Remove from bike. One end needs to be secured and it would be nice to bend it it a "saddle". Check out electrical conduit benders at Home Depot to get the idea of one end secured and a U shaped support for the pipe. You can make a support by cutting 1/4 circles of increasing diameter out of plywood and clamping/gluing/screwing the stack together. Or just wing it and hope the damn thing doesn't kink. Pack it tight with damp sand before the bend. This is another kink preventer - hopefully. Lottsa luck! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 19:04:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1F04JXo016128; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:04:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1F04JSN016118; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:04:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:16:57 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Exhaust pipe bending In-Reply-To: <3E4D722C.7040805@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > Anyone on the list know anything about and have experience bending > exhaust pipes? I'm interested in increasing the upsweep of my > "connector pipe" (i.e., the piece that connects to the cannister). How > easily (or not) is this done? Can it be done with the exhaust system > (sans the can, of course) still on the bike? FYI, I've got a D&D full > exhuast (regular steel headers and pipe). Basically, I'm only > interested if it can be done for relatively cheap. It's for my "rat" > FZR600 track bike with lights and purely for cosmetic reasons. What is the material of the head pipes? A thin tube mild steel would obviously be easier than a thicker stainlless. If you can get to the area where you want to bend, you should be able to heat it up and put pressure on it to increase your bend. This assumes that your comfortable with the mounting of the primaries to the head. I think a handheld MAP/Propane torch should provide enough heat. Just be careful not to overheat the area and cause a crack. We do this on our car's long tube headers. Stick a pipe in the collector and gently (HA!) bend the header to provide extra clearance. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 14 21:19:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1F2JSXo020540; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:19:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1F2JSO7020530; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:19:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Brace yourselves Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:07:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2003 02:07:39.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[04682700:01C2D497] Bike week is coming up. Actually I'll be in Key West, Marathon Key and Islamorada (sp) working on antenna towers. It must be payback for the week of -11 (with wind chill) on the Eastern Shore a few weeks back. But thinking of all of you planning on attending, I thought you might want to remain in the loop to changes in this years bikerweek -- bike washes will never be the same, neither will Daytona Bikeweek web sites. Here's why: In Daytona Beach, Fla., a new law bans thong bikinis and other super-revealing attire in public places. Another recent ordinance strengthens the prohibition against on-street alcohol consumption by banning open containers within 100 feet of main drag Atlantic Avenue. The idea is to prevent revelers at large events from drinking in parking lots and other quasipublic places, police officials say. The beefed-up public-nudity law, passed in October, includes sometimes-arcane specifications ('' . . . that portion of the buttocks which lies between the top and bottom of the buttocks, and between two imaginary straight lines . . . '' must be covered). The restriction doesn't extend to Daytona's beaches, however, which are under county jurisdiction. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 09:43:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1FEhdXo027079; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:43:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1FEhbsx027069; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:43:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00d701c2d502$6b5cf420$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: Helmet Bill SB371 - Hearing Occurred - Waiting for Committee Vote Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:56:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 FYI: Maryland Helmet Bill SB 371 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." To: Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: ABATE: Helmet Bill SB371 - Hearing Occurred - Waiting for Committee Vote > The hearing for SB371 occurred Thursday, February 13, 2003 in the Judicial > Proceedings committee room. This bill will allow adult motorcycle riders to > decide for themselves whether to wear a motorcycle helmet while riding. > > > > Those who spoke in favor of the bill included a panel of five people from > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. Topics covered included: > > > > 1. The history of the all-rider helmet law and how it was enacted due to > financial pressures during a constrained budget year. > > > > 2. The notion that adults are capable of making this decision themselves > and should not be compelled to do so by government regulation. Personal > freedom in the decision making process should prevail. > > > > 3. There are a number of goals that the all-rider helmet law failed to > achieve including saving lives and saving money. > > > > There were two individuals who spoke to oppose the bill. One spoke on > behalf of a pediatrics organization and the other was a representative of > the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). The pediatrics > representative received a number of difficult questions from Senators > because the bill only applies to adults. The NHTSA representative read a > prepared statement that provided little insight into specific details > relevant to Maryland, but was a discussion of helmet laws and helmet use > nationwide. > > > > We have four sponsors of SB371 in the Judicial Proceedings committee. We > need two additional votes to achieve a favorable committee vote. Observers > in the committee hearing room reported that at least one Senator was reading > the ABATE of Maryland, Inc. position paper while the NHTSA representative > was speaking. > > > > Comments after the hearing by Senators and observers were positive. > However, this committee vote is crucial. It is imperative that you call, > email, or FAX committee members today and ask them to vote for SB371. A > list of committee members is provided at the end of this message. Phone > calls, emails, and FAXes are the most effective and timely way that you can > be sure your comments reach committee members before they vote on the bill. > > > > Please take note of the Senators who are sponsors of the bill. Be sure to > thank them for their support. Those Senators who are not sponsors of the > bill, in most cases, have not voiced a commitment one way or the other and > need to hear from you, their constituents, regarding how you want them to > vote. > > > > SB371 has 17 sponsors and four of them are on the Judicial Proceedings > committee. We require six committee votes and 24 Senate votes to achieve a > positive outcome in the Senate. If the committee vote is successful, it is > extremely likely that SB371 will achieve a favorable vote in the full > Senate. It is our job to make sure that it gets there. > > > > Call or write TODAY! > > > > Members of the Judicial Proceedings Committee are listed below. > > > > * Indicates a sponsor of SB371. > > Brian E. Frosh, District 16, Montgomery > Chair (410) 841-3124, (301) 858-3124 > e-mail: brian_frosh@XXXXXX > > Leo E. Green, District 23, Prince George's > Vice-Chair (410) 841-3631, (301) 858-3631 > e-mail: leo_green@XXXXXX > > James Brochin, District 42, Baltimore County > (410) 841-3648, (301) 858-3648 > e-mail: jim_brochin@XXXXXX > > Jennie M. Forehand, District 17, Montgomery > (301) 858-3134, (410) 841-3134 > e-mail: jennie_forehand@XXXXXX > > Robert J. Garagiola, District 15, Montgomery > (301) 858-3169, (410) 841-3169 > e-mail: rob_garagiola@XXXXXX > > * John A. Giannetti, Jr., District 21, Anne Arundel & Prince George's > (301) 858-3141, (410) 841-3141 > e-mail: john_giannetti@XXXXXX > > * Larry E. Haines, District 5, Baltimore County, Carroll > (410) 841-3683, (301) 858-3683 > e-mail: larry_haines@XXXXXX > > Ralph M. Hughes, District 40, Baltimore City > (410) 841-3656, (301) 858-3656 > e-mail: ralph_hughes@XXXXXX > > * Nancy Jacobs, District 34, Cecil & Harford > (410) 841-3158, (301) 858-3158 > e-mail: nancy_jacobs@XXXXXX > > Philip C. Jimeno, District 31, Anne Arundel > (410) 841-3658, (301) 858-3658 > e-mail: philip_jimeno@XXXXXX > > * Alex X. Mooney, District 3, Frederick & Washington > (301) 858-3575, (410) 841-3575 > e-mail: alex_mooney@XXXXXX > > * Indicates a sponsor of SB371. > > In addition to the numbers listed above, you may call the toll-free number > 1-800-492-7122 and provide the last four digits of the phone number to reach > a Senator. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 10:20:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1FFKsXo029217; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:20:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1FFKr4e029202; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:20:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ec01c2d505$c4f79d70$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell - Master Thomas" From: "S. Russell - Master Thomas" To: "Kathleen Loerich" , References: <00d701c2d502$6b5cf420$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> Subject: Re: ABATE: Helmet Bill SB371 - Hearing Occurred - Waiting for Committee Vote Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:20:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Does anyone have a copy of this bill that they could send me offlist? I would be curious to see the whole bill. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: Fw: ABATE: Helmet Bill SB371 - Hearing Occurred - Waiting for Committee Vote > FYI: Maryland Helmet Bill SB 371 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:48 AM > Subject: ABATE: Helmet Bill SB371 - Hearing Occurred - Waiting for Committee > Vote > > > > The hearing for SB371 occurred Thursday, February 13, 2003 in the Judicial > > Proceedings committee room. This bill will allow adult motorcycle riders > to > > decide for themselves whether to wear a motorcycle helmet while riding. > > > > > > > > Those who spoke in favor of the bill included a panel of five people from > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. Topics covered included: > > > > > > > > 1. The history of the all-rider helmet law and how it was enacted due to > > financial pressures during a constrained budget year. > > > > > > > > 2. The notion that adults are capable of making this decision themselves > > and should not be compelled to do so by government regulation. Personal > > freedom in the decision making process should prevail. > > > > > > > > 3. There are a number of goals that the all-rider helmet law failed to > > achieve including saving lives and saving money. > > > > > > > > There were two individuals who spoke to oppose the bill. One spoke on > > behalf of a pediatrics organization and the other was a representative of > > the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). The > pediatrics > > representative received a number of difficult questions from Senators > > because the bill only applies to adults. The NHTSA representative read a > > prepared statement that provided little insight into specific details > > relevant to Maryland, but was a discussion of helmet laws and helmet use > > nationwide. > > > > > > > > We have four sponsors of SB371 in the Judicial Proceedings committee. We > > need two additional votes to achieve a favorable committee vote. > Observers > > in the committee hearing room reported that at least one Senator was > reading > > the ABATE of Maryland, Inc. position paper while the NHTSA representative > > was speaking. > > > > > > > > Comments after the hearing by Senators and observers were positive. > > However, this committee vote is crucial. It is imperative that you call, > > email, or FAX committee members today and ask them to vote for SB371. A > > list of committee members is provided at the end of this message. Phone > > calls, emails, and FAXes are the most effective and timely way that you > can > > be sure your comments reach committee members before they vote on the > bill. > > > > > > > > Please take note of the Senators who are sponsors of the bill. Be sure to > > thank them for their support. Those Senators who are not sponsors of the > > bill, in most cases, have not voiced a commitment one way or the other and > > need to hear from you, their constituents, regarding how you want them to > > vote. > > > > > > > > SB371 has 17 sponsors and four of them are on the Judicial Proceedings > > committee. We require six committee votes and 24 Senate votes to achieve > a > > positive outcome in the Senate. If the committee vote is successful, it > is > > extremely likely that SB371 will achieve a favorable vote in the full > > Senate. It is our job to make sure that it gets there. > > > > > > > > Call or write TODAY! > > > > > > > > Members of the Judicial Proceedings Committee are listed below. > > > > > > > > * Indicates a sponsor of SB371. > > > > Brian E. Frosh, District 16, Montgomery > > Chair (410) 841-3124, (301) 858-3124 > > e-mail: brian_frosh@XXXXXX > > > > Leo E. Green, District 23, Prince George's > > Vice-Chair (410) 841-3631, (301) 858-3631 > > e-mail: leo_green@XXXXXX > > > > James Brochin, District 42, Baltimore County > > (410) 841-3648, (301) 858-3648 > > e-mail: jim_brochin@XXXXXX > > > > Jennie M. Forehand, District 17, Montgomery > > (301) 858-3134, (410) 841-3134 > > e-mail: jennie_forehand@XXXXXX > > > > Robert J. Garagiola, District 15, Montgomery > > (301) 858-3169, (410) 841-3169 > > e-mail: rob_garagiola@XXXXXX > > > > * John A. Giannetti, Jr., District 21, Anne Arundel & Prince George's > > (301) 858-3141, (410) 841-3141 > > e-mail: john_giannetti@XXXXXX > > > > * Larry E. Haines, District 5, Baltimore County, Carroll > > (410) 841-3683, (301) 858-3683 > > e-mail: larry_haines@XXXXXX > > > > Ralph M. Hughes, District 40, Baltimore City > > (410) 841-3656, (301) 858-3656 > > e-mail: ralph_hughes@XXXXXX > > > > * Nancy Jacobs, District 34, Cecil & Harford > > (410) 841-3158, (301) 858-3158 > > e-mail: nancy_jacobs@XXXXXX > > > > Philip C. Jimeno, District 31, Anne Arundel > > (410) 841-3658, (301) 858-3658 > > e-mail: philip_jimeno@XXXXXX > > > > * Alex X. Mooney, District 3, Frederick & Washington > > (301) 858-3575, (410) 841-3575 > > e-mail: alex_mooney@XXXXXX > > > > * Indicates a sponsor of SB371. > > > > In addition to the numbers listed above, you may call the toll-free number > > 1-800-492-7122 and provide the last four digits of the phone number to > reach > > a Senator. > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 10:36:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1FFajXo030259; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:36:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1FFais1030249; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:36:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010d01c2d509$d6bb5b60$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "S. Russell - Master Thomas" , References: <00d701c2d502$6b5cf420$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> <00ec01c2d505$c4f79d70$0200000a@Godzilla> Subject: Re: ABATE: Helmet Bill SB371 - Hearing Occurred - Waiting for Committee Vote Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:49:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 The bill is very straight-forward. It changes the word 'INDIVIDUAL' to 'MINOR'. It returns the statute to its original status prior to 1992. Bill text can be located at this link. http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/sb0371.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Russell - Master Thomas" To: "Kathleen Loerich" ; Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: Re: ABATE: Helmet Bill SB371 - Hearing Occurred - Waiting for Committee Vote > Does anyone have a copy of this bill that they could send me offlist? I > would be curious to see the whole bill. > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathleen Loerich" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:56 AM > Subject: Fw: ABATE: Helmet Bill SB371 - Hearing Occurred - Waiting for > Committee Vote > > > > FYI: Maryland Helmet Bill SB 371 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:48 AM > > Subject: ABATE: Helmet Bill SB371 - Hearing Occurred - Waiting for > Committee > > Vote > > > > > > > The hearing for SB371 occurred Thursday, February 13, 2003 in the > Judicial > > > Proceedings committee room. This bill will allow adult motorcycle > riders > > to > > > decide for themselves whether to wear a motorcycle helmet while riding. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who spoke in favor of the bill included a panel of five people > from > > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. Topics covered included: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. The history of the all-rider helmet law and how it was enacted due > to > > > financial pressures during a constrained budget year. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The notion that adults are capable of making this decision > themselves > > > and should not be compelled to do so by government regulation. Personal > > > freedom in the decision making process should prevail. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. There are a number of goals that the all-rider helmet law failed to > > > achieve including saving lives and saving money. > > > > > > > > > > > > There were two individuals who spoke to oppose the bill. One spoke on > > > behalf of a pediatrics organization and the other was a representative > of > > > the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). The > > pediatrics > > > representative received a number of difficult questions from Senators > > > because the bill only applies to adults. The NHTSA representative read > a > > > prepared statement that provided little insight into specific details > > > relevant to Maryland, but was a discussion of helmet laws and helmet use > > > nationwide. > > > > > > > > > > > > We have four sponsors of SB371 in the Judicial Proceedings committee. > We > > > need two additional votes to achieve a favorable committee vote. > > Observers > > > in the committee hearing room reported that at least one Senator was > > reading > > > the ABATE of Maryland, Inc. position paper while the NHTSA > representative > > > was speaking. > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments after the hearing by Senators and observers were positive. > > > However, this committee vote is crucial. It is imperative that you > call, > > > email, or FAX committee members today and ask them to vote for SB371. A > > > list of committee members is provided at the end of this message. Phone > > > calls, emails, and FAXes are the most effective and timely way that you > > can > > > be sure your comments reach committee members before they vote on the > > bill. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please take note of the Senators who are sponsors of the bill. Be sure > to > > > thank them for their support. Those Senators who are not sponsors of > the > > > bill, in most cases, have not voiced a commitment one way or the other > and > > > need to hear from you, their constituents, regarding how you want them > to > > > vote. > > > > > > > > > > > > SB371 has 17 sponsors and four of them are on the Judicial Proceedings > > > committee. We require six committee votes and 24 Senate votes to > achieve > > a > > > positive outcome in the Senate. If the committee vote is successful, it > > is > > > extremely likely that SB371 will achieve a favorable vote in the full > > > Senate. It is our job to make sure that it gets there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Call or write TODAY! > > > > > > > > > > > > Members of the Judicial Proceedings Committee are listed below. > > > > > > > > > > > > * Indicates a sponsor of SB371. > > > > > > Brian E. Frosh, District 16, Montgomery > > > Chair (410) 841-3124, (301) 858-3124 > > > e-mail: brian_frosh@XXXXXX > > > > > > Leo E. Green, District 23, Prince George's > > > Vice-Chair (410) 841-3631, (301) 858-3631 > > > e-mail: leo_green@XXXXXX > > > > > > James Brochin, District 42, Baltimore County > > > (410) 841-3648, (301) 858-3648 > > > e-mail: jim_brochin@XXXXXX > > > > > > Jennie M. Forehand, District 17, Montgomery > > > (301) 858-3134, (410) 841-3134 > > > e-mail: jennie_forehand@XXXXXX > > > > > > Robert J. Garagiola, District 15, Montgomery > > > (301) 858-3169, (410) 841-3169 > > > e-mail: rob_garagiola@XXXXXX > > > > > > * John A. Giannetti, Jr., District 21, Anne Arundel & Prince George's > > > (301) 858-3141, (410) 841-3141 > > > e-mail: john_giannetti@XXXXXX > > > > > > * Larry E. Haines, District 5, Baltimore County, Carroll > > > (410) 841-3683, (301) 858-3683 > > > e-mail: larry_haines@XXXXXX > > > > > > Ralph M. Hughes, District 40, Baltimore City > > > (410) 841-3656, (301) 858-3656 > > > e-mail: ralph_hughes@XXXXXX > > > > > > * Nancy Jacobs, District 34, Cecil & Harford > > > (410) 841-3158, (301) 858-3158 > > > e-mail: nancy_jacobs@XXXXXX > > > > > > Philip C. Jimeno, District 31, Anne Arundel > > > (410) 841-3658, (301) 858-3658 > > > e-mail: philip_jimeno@XXXXXX > > > > > > * Alex X. Mooney, District 3, Frederick & Washington > > > (301) 858-3575, (410) 841-3575 > > > e-mail: alex_mooney@XXXXXX > > > > > > * Indicates a sponsor of SB371. > > > > > > In addition to the numbers listed above, you may call the toll-free > number > > > 1-800-492-7122 and provide the last four digits of the phone number to > > reach > > > a Senator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 10:46:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1FFkgXo031260; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:46:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1FFkfjr031249; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:46:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01aa01c2d50b$3bc6b530$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: Local Regulation of Parking - Motorcycles - SB650/HB923 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:59:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 FYI: Maryland Motorcycle Parking Bills ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." To: Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: ABATE: Local Regulation of Parking - Motorcycles - SB650/HB923 > Two bills were filed in the Maryland General Assembly. Senate Bill 650 > (SB650) and House Bill 923 (HB923) address motorcycle parking restrictions > imposed by some local jurisdictions. Some local governments in Maryland > have parking regulations that limit the number of motorcycles that can > legally park in a metered space to no more than two. > > These bills will prohibit local governments from restricting the number of > motorcycles that can legally park in a metered space. Only some local > governments limit motorcycle parking in this manner, but it can cause > confusion and hardship for motorcycle riders who are unaware of the > restrictions. > > The bills have been filed. However, they have not been scheduled for > hearings yet. > > SB650 was assigned to the Judicial Proceedings committee in the Senate. > Sponsors for the Senate version of the bill include Senators Astle, > Brinkley, Giannetti, Hafer, and Jacobs. > > HB923 is currently assigned to the Rules and Executive Nominations committee > in the House of Delegates. The sponsor for the House of Delegates version > of the bill is Delegate Owings. > > > > Additional information about these bills can be located using the following > links: > > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/sb0650.htm > > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/hb0923.htm > > > > Please contact members of these committees and your local representatives in > the Maryland General Assembly and ask them to support these bills. > > Committee members for the Senate Judicial Proceedings committee can be > located using this link: > http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/05sen/html/com/05judp.html > > Committee members for the House of Delegates Rules and Executive Nominations > committee can be located using this link: > http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/06hse/html/com/06rulex.html > > > > Use these links to locate or contact members of the Maryland General > Assembly. > > Locate: http://mdelect.net/ > > Contact: http://mlis.state.md.us/cgi-win/mail32.exe > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. web site: > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 19:09:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1G09xXo007652; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:09:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1G09uV6007645; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:09:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008201c2d54b$a6df22e0$86805b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Personal Info in Accident Reports Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:40:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 A HeadsUp in WashingtonCityPaper this week -- the piece focuses on one accident victim's receipt of a barrage of phone calls from cold-calling lawyers. (WCP, 2/14/03, p.11; story not online) Seems that, in the District, accident reports, with all their personal information (address, phone, license #, etc.), are available for $2 to the public from police stations. And it's common practice for lawyers to access this and follow up. With respect to Md and Va, the item only comments on their lawyer cold calling prohibitions: Report info may be available to the public there also. Soooo -- adding to the continuing cautions on the personal info sharing front -- particularly in the sensitive, angst-ridden times following an accident -- info can be available way past the police (or meds) taking down accident data. Comments about Md, Va? Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > name, rank, serialno. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 19:43:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1G0hmXo009778; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:43:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1G0hmSH009772; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:43:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E4EDBDD.2060002@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:31:25 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: "William J. Huson" , wayne@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Exhaust pipe bending References: <3E4D722C.7040805@ix.netcom.com> <3E4D8043.55F2B10@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill and Wayne, I appreciate the tips/advice. But what I'm really looking for (and I should've asked more directly) is someone who can do this for me for not a whole lot money. Anyone? Bueller? Like I said, it's purely cosmetic for my "rat" FZR track bike with lights so it's not worth a tremendous amount of effort or moolah on my part. Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 20:07:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1G17xXo010857; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:07:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1G17wqc010846; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:07:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:20:24 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Exhaust pipe bending In-Reply-To: <3E4EDBDD.2060002@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > I appreciate the tips/advice. But what I'm really looking for (and I > should've asked more directly) is someone who can do this for me for not > a whole lot money. Anyone? Bueller? Like I said, it's purely cosmetic > for my "rat" FZR track bike with lights so it's not worth a tremendous > amount of effort or moolah on my part. Oh, sorry :-) I primarily use an exhaust shop in Trenton, NJ (http://www.mufflex-performance.com/), but it's a hike from here. ;-) In a pinch when I can't get my car to NJ, I use a Meineke in Gaithersburg, near the airpark. Scott is the dude's name and he does great custom work. If you call or stop by there, tell him Wayne Edelen with the purple Firebird sent you over. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 21:24:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1G2OrXo012149; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:24:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1G2Oqa0012139; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:24:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Exhaust pipe bending Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:24:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2003 02:24:45.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[91DAC4A0:01C2D562] Horkster (I think) mentioned packing the pipe with damp sand, this retains the shape of the pipe (round). I have heard that this is extremely important. There are custom muffler shops around... there's one in Nokesville that I know of. With the proper tools... MC pipes, dunno if they can do them, but they do bend pipes. Will the chrome crack? Dunno that either, but you may want to ask around, otherwise bank on a rechroming... if it's important to you. aw _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 21:41:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1G2fZXo014217; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:41:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1G2fYSq014209; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:41:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030216024132.96672.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:41:32 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Personal Info in Accident Reports To: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <008201c2d54b$a6df22e0$86805b0c@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This happened to me. Last March after a taxi made an illegal u-turn and totaled my bike, i received calls from 2 attorney offices the day after the report became available. The cabbie was cited for the u-turn, so they attorneys knew to call me, not the cabbie. It was kinda freaky. jib --- "Mobacc (now @ATT)" wrote: > A HeadsUp in WashingtonCityPaper this week -- the > piece focuses on one > accident victim's receipt of a barrage of phone > calls from cold-calling > lawyers. (WCP, 2/14/03, p.11; story not online) > > Seems that, in the District, accident reports, with > all their personal > information (address, phone, license #, etc.), are > available for $2 to the > public from police stations. And it's common > practice for lawyers to access > this and follow up. > > With respect to Md and Va, the item only comments on > their lawyer cold > calling prohibitions: Report info may be available > to the public there also. > > Soooo -- adding to the continuing cautions on the > personal info sharing > front -- particularly in the sensitive, angst-ridden > times following an > accident -- info can be available way past the > police (or meds) taking down > accident data. > > Comments about Md, Va? > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > name, rank, serialno. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 15 23:21:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1G4LOXo016414; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:21:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1G4LNLr016404; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:21:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E4F1190.EE71AF6@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:20:32 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Isaac Blanck CC: "Mobacc (now @ATT)" , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Personal Info in Accident Reports References: <20030216024132.96672.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isaac Blanck wrote: > This happened to me. Last March after a taxi made an > illegal u-turn and totaled my bike, i received calls > from 2 attorney offices the day after the report > became available. The cabbie was cited for the > u-turn, so they attorneys knew to call me, not the > cabbie. It was kinda freaky. jib Back in the good ol' days, shortly after the invention of the phone, we use to call them kinda lawyers "ambulance chasers" because they'd actually hang out looking for accidents and follow the ambulance to the hospital! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 16 14:45:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1GJj9Xo001484; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:45:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1GJj70G001474; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:45:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005f01c2d5f5$b70b4c70$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: HB574 (Equal Access Bill) - Hearing Scheduled Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:58:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 FYI: ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." To: Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:51 PM Subject: ABATE: HB574 (Equal Access Bill) - Hearing Scheduled > The equal access bill will prohibit the owners or operators of specified > facilities that are open to the public and serve or accommodate the public > from refusing to serve an individual on the basis of the individual's mode > of personal transportation, facial hair or hairstyle, or manner or style of > dress; providing that the Act does not prohibit specified owners or > operators from refusing to serve an individual on the basis of the > individual's clothing under specified circumstances. > > Bill details can be located at > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/HB0574.htm > > This bill is scheduled to be heard in the House of Delegates Health and > Government Operations committee on February 20, 2003 at 1 pm. > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. Web Site: > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 16 16:50:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1GLobXo004255; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:50:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1GLoXuh004245; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:50:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5008A5.86635573@carlparker.com> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:54:45 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SNOW FUN!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Went out in a good ol' Cherokee to get it outta my system...all I can say iz, YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Makin' the best of it, Carl Parker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 16 17:57:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1GMvIXo006552; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:57:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1GMvFcV006540; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:57:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030216225713.74214.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:57:13 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: SNOW FUN!!! To: Carl Parker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E5008A5.86635573@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You mean you didn't go out on the bike? What's wrong with you? Someone on this list had to ride today, how about Leon, did he go out? Glenn --- Carl Parker wrote: > Went out in a good ol' Cherokee to get it outta my > system...all I can > say iz, > > YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! > > Makin' the best of it, > Carl Parker > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 16 18:08:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1GN8uXo007575; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:08:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1GN8tiY007568; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:08:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:21:13 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: SNOW FUN!!! In-Reply-To: <20030216225713.74214.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 16 Feb 2003, Glenn Dysart wrote: > You mean you didn't go out on the bike? What's wrong > with you? Someone on this list had to ride today, how > about Leon, did he go out? > > Glenn Someone on dcsportbikes.net took his VF out earlier - http://www.dcsportbikes.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=2021 I've been home most of the day, I took my truck out for a while to check out the roads around 1-2pm. Here are some pics from different times throughout the day - http://wayne.fbody.com/021603/ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 16 18:17:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1GNHwXo007684; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:17:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1GNHvIn007673; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:17:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030216231755.76810.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:17:55 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: SNOW FUN!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very nice and he only dropped it once! Glenn --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > Someone on dcsportbikes.net took his VF out earlier > - > http://www.dcsportbikes.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=2021 > > I've been home most of the day, I took my truck out > for a while to check > out the roads around 1-2pm. Here are some pics from > different times > throughout the day - http://wayne.fbody.com/021603/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 16 18:27:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1GNRrXo009632; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:27:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1GNRqxg009622; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:27:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007301c2d613$11f5f690$fb662c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20030216231755.76810.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: SNOW FUN!!! Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:28:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Well, it wasn't me on the VF. :( Too lazy to dig out the bike and that chin fairing is a big scoop. Lots of plowing going on the District, but only on the main drags. Our street is untouched. www.wilsonline.org/snowbike2.JPG The MSF folks thought I was nuts to ride to the update session yesterday. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" To: Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: Re: SNOW FUN!!! > Very nice and he only dropped it once! > > Glenn > > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > Someone on dcsportbikes.net took his VF out earlier > > - > > > http://www.dcsportbikes.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthre ad&tid=2021 > > > > I've been home most of the day, I took my truck out > > for a while to check > > out the roads around 1-2pm. Here are some pics from > > different times > > throughout the day - http://wayne.fbody.com/021603/ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 16 19:31:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1H0VrXo016017; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:31:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1H0Vj0t016002; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:31:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005601c2d61b$d51242c0$0c70b341@de3bw> Reply-To: "cplvfr" From: "cplvfr" To: References: Subject: Re: SNOW FUN!!! Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:30:53 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 That was me. I couldn't resist the challenge. That's why I have a dual-purpose rear tire on it. http://home.earthlink.net/~cplvfr/_images/dptirevf500.jpg Travis '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500F > > Someone on dcsportbikes.net took his VF out earlier - > http://www.dcsportbikes.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthre ad&tid=2021 > > I've been home most of the day, I took my truck out for a while to check > out the roads around 1-2pm. Here are some pics from different times > throughout the day - http://wayne.fbody.com/021603/ > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 16 21:35:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1H2ZZXo017466; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:35:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1H2ZVD7017456; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:35:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: SNOW FUN!!! From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E5008A5.86635573@carlparker.com> References: <3E5008A5.86635573@carlparker.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 16 Feb 2003 21:35:28 -0500 Message-Id: <1045449329.20716.184.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Ok... I have to admit it... I did the same thing. Deserted strip mall parking lots are a hoot. I only wish I had my dirt bike here in VA at the moment :( - Roach On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 16:54, Carl Parker wrote: > Went out in a good ol' Cherokee to get it outta my system...all I can > say iz, > > YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 00:50:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1H5oRXo019320; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:50:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1H5oQHT019310; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:50:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:50:16 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Exhaust pipe bending To: Adam Wah Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E507818.6208001E@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Adam Wah wrote: > > Horkster (I think) mentioned packing the pipe with damp sand, this retains > the shape of the pipe (round). Tweren't me, I've never had to bend any pipe, so I'm clueless as to how it's done. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 03:33:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1H8XwXo021106; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 03:33:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1H8Xv0a021096; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 03:33:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217033229.01149738@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 03:34:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Fark Photoshop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hopefully the motorcycle pic is still the leader in this FARK photoshop contest. http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments-voteresults.pl?439529http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments-voteresults.pl?439529 FARK is a great way to kill time when you are trapped in your home. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 03:41:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1H8fbXo023165; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 03:41:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1H8faX2023150; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 03:41:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217034106.0114f670@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 03:41:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Fark Photoshop (oops) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Damn late night double paste .... try this one .... http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments-voteresults.pl?439529 _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 08:47:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1HDlYXo026746; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:47:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1HDlXdT026736; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:47:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E50E7B8.8DD1F9FE@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:46:32 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Adam Wah , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Exhaust pipe bending References: <3E507818.6208001E@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Adam Wah wrote: > > > > Horkster (I think) mentioned packing the pipe with damp sand, this retains > > the shape of the pipe (round). > > Tweren't me, I've never had to bend any pipe, so I'm clueless > as to how it's done. > > Hork Twas me. Bent a few pipes during my lo-budget hot-rod and outboard racing days. More like *tweaking* rather than bending - just enough to keep the dang things from banging a frame or getting hung up in the tuned pipe slider. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 09:02:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1HE25Xo027812; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:02:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1HE238o027797; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:02:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <032401c2d68d$0a7e0900$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <3E507818.6208001E@comcast.net> <3E50E7B8.8DD1F9FE@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Exhaust pipe bending Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:01:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e684d9b25971d34d4f15eb8d09c860ee350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I think it was our local Cato rep Chuck that started this... You *MIGHT* be able to use the same tool that electricicians use to bend 'Rigid' pipe conduit. It's basically a long lever with a round channel to keep the pipe from kinking. Available at ( commercial )electrical supply shops everywhere. HTH... PS - whatever you do, don't ask for a PVC bender ;-) Dave > > Twas me. Bent a few pipes during my lo-budget hot-rod and outboard racing > days. More like *tweaking* rather than bending - just enough to keep the dang > things from banging a frame or getting hung up in the tuned pipe slider. > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 09:47:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1HElrXo028992; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:47:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1HElpJj028977; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:47:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:36:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2003 14:36:27.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3F38520:01C2D691] The winter storm of '96(?) was worse... in '94 I moved back up to D.C. metro area after 18 years... 13 (I counted) ice storms that winter, home shopping was a bear, but I did look at a number of houses which weren't suitable and would have never guessed, but due to the severity of the weather I was able to weed out problematic choices. I have a picture (not digital) of my neighborhood after the '96 storm.. the cars across the street were mere humps under the snow. This year they're not completely covered. I think the temps were a bit better. Last year at this time we were enjoying 50 to 60 degrees and I believe I even rode a bit until almost March when we went thru a wet, windy spell. Time to return to my "links for non-MC days" and wait for the storm to abate so I can move some more snow around for the 3rd time. I have 2 dogs, one is 55 pounds and can move about the other is 12 and I have to keep the back yard down to a managable level for him. L8r aw _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 10:10:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1HFAdXo031164; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:10:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1HFAcXk031149; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:10:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <027d01c2d696$c5a81280$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Snow Record ?? Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:10:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [141.156.146.4] at Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:10:28 -0600 Naaaaaaaaa This goes back to 1922 with17 inches. Mike in Bethesda with 22 inches here. ************************************************** >From: "Adam Wah" > The winter storm of '96(?) was worse... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 11:12:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1HGC5Xo001120; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:12:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1HGC4Wl001110; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:12:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5109A0.DE645B10@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:11:12 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Wah CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Wah wrote: > The winter storm of '96(?) was worse... in '94 I moved back up to D.C. metro > area after 18 years... 13 (I counted) ice storms that winter, home shopping > was a bear, but I did look at a number of houses which weren't suitable and > would have never guessed, but due to the severity of the weather I was able > to weed out problematic choices. I remember that endless buncha storms. My 4WD lost reverse gear, forward ho, backwards no! After battling thru the ice for a few weeks I left it at the dealer for warrenty repair and hopped on a booze-cruise ship to tour the Caribbean. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 14:34:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1HJYlXo003262; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:34:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1HJYkjZ003252; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:34:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030217193444.72222.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:34:44 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: No biking today. To: Glenn Dysart , Carl Parker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030216225713.74214.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nope, not today. I got the wife's Chrysler minivan most of the way into the street, but it started getting real squirrely so I brought it back into the driveway. If we can get a snowplow to come by before tomorrow morning, I'll be able to ride to work. Otherwise, not. Last ride I got was Saturday afternoon, took the bike to Radio Shack, about 6 miles round trip. Only a light dusting of snow on the ground then. I'll let you all know tomorrow. Leon --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > You mean you didn't go out on the bike? What's > wrong > with you? Someone on this list had to ride today, > how > about Leon, did he go out? > > Glenn > > --- Carl Parker wrote: > > Went out in a good ol' Cherokee to get it outta my > > system...all I can > > say iz, > > > > YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! > > > > Makin' the best of it, > > Carl Parker > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 15:32:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1HKWRXo005570; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:32:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1HKWRLH005560; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:32:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:32:16 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: No biking today. To: Leon Begeman Cc: Glenn Dysart , Carl Parker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E5146D0.1C22DE97@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20030217193444.72222.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > Last ride I got was Saturday afternoon, took the bike > to Radio Shack But of course. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 15:57:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1HKvLXo006737; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:57:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1HKvHFY006722; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:57:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <047d01c2d6c7$25382e30$fb662c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Leon Begeman" , "Glenn Dysart" , "Carl Parker" , References: <20030217193444.72222.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: No biking today. Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:57:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I rode to the MSF instructor update on Saturday, in light snow, much to the horror/amusement of some attending the event. Needless to say, no riding today or yesterday, but I just finished digging out the VF500F, so if/when the city plows the street, I'm ready to go. Unfortunately, I didn't have Travis's foresight to mount knobbies on the little critter. I did see a rider on a KLR (I think) jetting down Pa. Ave. about 3:00. The city's been doing a pretty good job, all things considered, but the side streets like ours are still 4x4 territory. Even had a couple of cop cars get stuck. Here's the scene, as of about noon. www.wilsonline.org Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" To: "Glenn Dysart" ; "Carl Parker" ; Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 2:34 PM Subject: No biking today. > Nope, not today. > I got the wife's Chrysler minivan most of the way into > the street, but it started getting real squirrely so I > brought it back into the driveway. If we can get a > snowplow to come by before tomorrow morning, I'll be > able to ride to work. Otherwise, not. > > Last ride I got was Saturday afternoon, took the bike > to Radio Shack, about 6 miles round trip. Only a > light dusting of snow on the ground then. I'll let > you all know tomorrow. > > Leon > --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > You mean you didn't go out on the bike? What's > > wrong > > with you? Someone on this list had to ride today, > > how > > about Leon, did he go out? > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Carl Parker wrote: > > > Went out in a good ol' Cherokee to get it outta my > > > system...all I can > > > say iz, > > > > > > YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! > > > > > > Makin' the best of it, > > > Carl Parker > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 16:26:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1HLQlXo007962; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:26:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1HLQlwZ007952; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:26:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00e501c2d6c5$bef00ea0$86805b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: State Budgets Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:47:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Just happened across this for those interested in MC ed'n, roads funding, law enforcement, DMV service, ER facilities, etc. across the country: Note this measure ranks MD, VA in middle. (It is sobering. As if current PMS weren't enough.) http://www.stateline.org/story.do?storyId=287750 Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Suffering from the lack-o'knobby's. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 16:37:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1HLbSXo010055; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:37:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1HLbRnF010049; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:37:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:26:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2003 21:26:00.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AC194F0:01C2D6CB] A man with a plan! >From: "William J. Huson" >To: Adam Wah >CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:11:12 -0500 > >Adam Wah wrote: > > > The winter storm of '96(?) was worse... in '94 I moved back up to D.C. >metro > > area after 18 years... 13 (I counted) ice storms that winter, home >shopping > > was a bear, but I did look at a number of houses which weren't suitable >and > > would have never guessed, but due to the severity of the weather I was >able > > to weed out problematic choices. > >I remember that endless buncha storms. My 4WD lost reverse gear, forward >ho, >backwards no! After battling thru the ice for a few weeks I left it at the >dealer for warrenty repair and hopped on a booze-cruise ship to tour the >Caribbean. > >Bill _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 17 19:31:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1I0VIXo016646; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:31:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1I0VGja016636; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:31:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Mobacc (now @ATT)" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Personal Info in Accident Reports Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:39:19 -0500 Message-ID: References: <008201c2d54b$a6df22e0$86805b0c@micron> In-Reply-To: <008201c2d54b$a6df22e0$86805b0c@micron> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1I0VFXo016624 When I was bumped, last year or the year before, shiesty lawyers began calling me at 5:30, 6 am, 7 am 8 am you name it. bastErds! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 18 07:50:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1ICoFXo021411; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 07:50:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1ICoCNK021396; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 07:50:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030218124934.90224.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 04:49:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Personal Info in Accident Reports To: Isaac Blanck , "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030216024132.96672.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii this is most likely illegal and could lead to disbarment. when this happens you should call the bar association in the county/state/jurisdiction it occurred and report the offender. i'll give you the md. info later today. but, if i remember correctly, all in person contact to solicit employment is prohibited. also prohibited is contact in any manner within x days (30, i think) of an injury as well as in other situations where contact would be inappropriate. i've heard of some dc incidents of late involving people who work for ambulance-chasing firms or referral services who have been wandering through the hospitals checking for accident victims. what a lovely image this type of stuff gives the honest folks in the profession who are a large majority. --- Isaac Blanck wrote: > This happened to me. Last March after a taxi made an > illegal u-turn and totaled my bike, i received calls > from 2 attorney offices the day after the report > became available. The cabbie was cited for the > u-turn, so they attorneys knew to call me, not the > cabbie. It was kinda freaky. jib > --- "Mobacc (now @ATT)" wrote: > > A HeadsUp in WashingtonCityPaper this week -- the > > piece focuses on one > > accident victim's receipt of a barrage of phone > > calls from cold-calling > > lawyers. (WCP, 2/14/03, p.11; story not online) > > > > Seems that, in the District, accident reports, with > > all their personal > > information (address, phone, license #, etc.), are > > available for $2 to the > > public from police stations. And it's common > > practice for lawyers to access > > this and follow up. > > > > With respect to Md and Va, the item only comments on > > their lawyer cold > > calling prohibitions: Report info may be available > > to the public there also. > > > > Soooo -- adding to the continuing cautions on the > > personal info sharing > > front -- particularly in the sensitive, angst-ridden > > times following an > > accident -- info can be available way past the > > police (or meds) taking down > > accident data. > > > > Comments about Md, Va? > > > > Bill S. / DC > > '99 VN750 > name, rank, serialno. > > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 09:40:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1JEepXo005824; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:40:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1JEemH0005817; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:40:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: SNOW FUN!!! Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:40:40 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666013E8F7A@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: SNOW FUN!!! Thread-Index: AcLWE1lKemfTC0F/S62TmlP5DxT5FwCESTtA From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1JEelXo005805 Scroll all the way down to see my bike in snow. In retrospect, I'm glad I left it in the city over the weekend. DC recieved considerably less snow than my neck of the woods. (vienna) http://witold.org/writings/washington_blizzard.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 6:28 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: SNOW FUN!!! > > > Well, it wasn't me on the VF. :( Too lazy to dig out the > bike and that > chin fairing is a big scoop. Lots of plowing going on the > District, but > only on the main drags. Our street is untouched. > > www.wilsonline.org/snowbike2.JPG > > The MSF folks thought I was nuts to ride to the update > session yesterday. > > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Dysart" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 6:17 PM > Subject: Re: SNOW FUN!!! > > > > Very nice and he only dropped it once! > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > Someone on dcsportbikes.net took his VF out earlier > > > - > > > > > > http://www.dcsportbikes.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum &file=viewthre ad&tid=2021 > > > > I've been home most of the day, I took my truck out > > for a while to check > > out the roads around 1-2pm. Here are some pics from > > different times > > throughout the day - http://wayne.fbody.com/021603/ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 10:11:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1JFBYXo007018; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:11:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1JFBUNR007003; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:11:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030219151113.95594.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 07:11:13 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Who's been riding To: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <000901c2d173$0e5215e0$ce795c0c@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I rode to work yesterday, but didn't ride home because I have nowhere to park. Wonder how long it'll be before there is nearly normal street parking in DC. jib __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 10:37:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1JFbNXo009286; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:37:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1JFbMUd009271; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:37:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001301c2d82c$f410d660$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Isaac Blanck" , "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20030219151113.95594.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Who's been riding Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:38:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I hope to get out on the bike tomorrow. Fortunately shoveling a bike spot takes a fraction of the time it takes to shovel a cage spot. I dug the cage out this morning, but our street is still a one-lane track and a little too much for non-knobby bike tires at the moment. But for the first 300 feet, I would be ridden to work this morning. Paul in DC < To: "Mobacc (now @ATT)" ; "DC-Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: Who's been riding > I rode to work yesterday, but didn't ride home because > I have nowhere to park. Wonder how long it'll be > before there is nearly normal street parking in DC. jib > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 11:28:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1JGSuXo010624; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:28:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1JGSt3r010614; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:28:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:28:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200302191128.AA27656764@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Who's been riding X-Mailer: "Shovelercise"! Love it. One of my daughters wrestles, and likes to work out. However, as a teenager, she doesn't like to work. Fortunately her coach advised everyone to shovel, take walks, or do other things to keep fit while practices are canceled due to weather. Sooo ... "Coach says shoveling is good, here's the shovel!" Got the garage dug out so I could drive the sidecar rig today. What a war zone! Sure would hate to be a pedestrian in Arlington ... Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paul Wilson" Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:38:26 -0500 >I hope to get out on the bike tomorrow. Fortunately shoveling a bike spot >takes a fraction of the time it takes to shovel a cage spot. I dug the cage >out this morning, but our street is still a one-lane track and a little too >much for non-knobby bike tires at the moment. But for the first 300 feet, I >would be ridden to work this morning. > >Paul in DC <Shovelercise >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Isaac Blanck" >To: "Mobacc (now @ATT)" ; "DC-Cycles" > >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:11 AM >Subject: Who's been riding > > >> I rode to work yesterday, but didn't ride home because >> I have nowhere to park. Wonder how long it'll be >> before there is nearly normal street parking in DC. jib >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 11:32:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1JGWpXo010705; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:32:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1JGWp8H010699; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:32:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030219112204.027b1c60@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:24:29 -0500 To: DC-Cycles From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Who's been riding In-Reply-To: <20030219151113.95594.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000901c2d173$0e5215e0$ce795c0c@micron> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:11 AM 2/19/03 -0800, Isaac Blanck wrote: >I rode to work yesterday, but didn't ride home because >I have nowhere to park. Wonder how long it'll be >before there is nearly normal street parking in DC. jib Not me. I tried to get on the VRE this morning but it's running special schedule and the 302 train was cancelled (delayed 30 minutes = cancelled). Since I can do most of what I do at home, I just went home; out the 5 bucks for the train trip though. My wife and I went skiing last week up in Pennsylvania. We drove home on Sunday. The best part of the ride was when the SUVs would blow by at 50 and then about a mile up, we'd see them in the snowbank on the side of the road. Boneheads. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 11:38:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1JGcpXo012739; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:38:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1JGco12012728; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:38:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <0a4701c2d835$72a77a80$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <000901c2d173$0e5215e0$ce795c0c@micron> <5.1.0.14.0.20030219112204.027b1c60@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Who's been riding Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:39:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.156.146.4] at Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:38:40 -0600 Like always: Easy way.....or the hard way. MC **************************************** >From: "Carl Schelin" >The best part of the ride was when the SUVs would blow by at 50 and > then about a mile up, we'd see them in the snowbank on the side of the > road. Boneheads. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 12:00:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1JH02Xo013874; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:00:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1JH02l0013864; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:00:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX Subject: Winter in our nations Crapitol. Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20030219165933.C80122FD1E@e4.webshots.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:59:33 -0800 (PST)

From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX

To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Gang,

For all of you not tired of looking at the snow here in DC, I went out tromping around yesterday and took a few pics.

Enjoy,

Scooter
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DC - Blizzard of 2003 - Book 1
DC - Blizzard of 2003 - Book 2

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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 13:01:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1JI10Xo016276; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:01:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1JI0x8T016266; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:00:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who's been riding Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:53:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2003 17:53:50.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBAECB00:01C2D83F] Did I miss something? I walked around Arlington for 2 hours on Monday. >From: "Chris Norloff" >Reply-To: >To: "DC-Cycles" >Subject: Re: Who's been riding >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:28:53 -0500 > Sure would hate to be a pedestrian in Arlington ... > >Chris Norloff _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 13:11:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1JIBJXo016443; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:11:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1JIBJ1o016433; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:11:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:11:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200302191311.AA435815076@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Wild Pictures from the Navy X-Mailer: Here's some wild pictures. Naval Safety Center - Photos of the Week http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/archive.htm There's only one specific to motorcycles: http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo15.htm But a bunch about cars driven into the most amazing places and positions: In Too Deep http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo70_1.htm Submerged Underwater Vehicle (SUV) http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo70_2.htm Hole in One http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo56.htm Seeing Yellow? http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo50.htm Got Gas? http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo49.htm and boats: Bizarre Boating Blunders http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo43.htm How not to stop your speed boat http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo10.htm and airplanes: Breaking the Ice http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo64.htm and forklifts carrying bombs!: Ain't This Da Bomb http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo36_1.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 13:14:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1JIEuXo017580; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:14:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1JIEuwG017568; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:14:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:14:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200302191314.AA73859572@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Who's been riding X-Mailer: Well, I'm in Ballston, and the sidewalks are covered, the traffic islands are covered, and the roads are half-covered in snow. And pedestrians have to walk in the same roadway as cars are using. It's not pretty. Glad you're part of Arlington is better! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "rich hall" Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:53:49 -0500 >Did I miss something? I walked around Arlington for 2 hours on Monday. > >>From: "Chris Norloff" >>Reply-To: >>To: "DC-Cycles" >>Subject: Re: Who's been riding >>Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:28:53 -0500 >> >Sure would hate to be a pedestrian in Arlington ... >> >>Chris Norloff > >_________________________________________________________________ >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 13:19:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1JIJ6Xo017658; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:19:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1JIJ6GS017648; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:19:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who's been riding Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:18:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2003 18:18:59.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F367C90:01C2D843] Actually I'm in Ballston too. Walked to Clarendon on Monday. Ballston seemed better than there then. The side streets around me still haven't been plowed. I'm a block or two behind the 7-11 on Fairfax. >From: "Chris Norloff" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Who's been riding >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:14:54 -0500 > >Well, I'm in Ballston, and the sidewalks are covered, the traffic islands >are covered, and the roads are half-covered in snow. > >And pedestrians have to walk in the same roadway as cars are using. It's >not pretty. > >Glad you're part of Arlington is better! > >Chris Norloff > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "rich hall" >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:53:49 -0500 > > >Did I miss something? I walked around Arlington for 2 hours on Monday. > > > >>From: "Chris Norloff" > >>Reply-To: > >>To: "DC-Cycles" > >>Subject: Re: Who's been riding > >>Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:28:53 -0500 > >> > >Sure would hate to be a pedestrian in Arlington ... > >> > >>Chris Norloff > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 16:03:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1JL3iXo025785; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:03:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1JL3g7b025775; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:03:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003e01c2d85a$bad36e70$6401a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce N" To: "List-dc cycles" References: <200302191311.AA435815076@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: Wild Pictures from the Navy Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:06:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Is it just me or do none of these links work? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: Wild Pictures from the Navy > Here's some wild pictures. > > Naval Safety Center - Photos of the Week > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/archive.htm > > There's only one specific to motorcycles: > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo15.htm > > But a bunch about cars driven into the most amazing places and positions: > > In Too Deep > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo70_1.htm > > Submerged Underwater Vehicle (SUV) > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo70_2.htm > > Hole in One > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo56.htm > > Seeing Yellow? > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo50.htm > > Got Gas? > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo49.htm > > and boats: > Bizarre Boating Blunders > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo43.htm > > How not to stop your speed boat > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo10.htm > > and airplanes: > Breaking the Ice > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo64.htm > > and forklifts carrying bombs!: > Ain't This Da Bomb > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo36_1.htm > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 19 16:08:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1JL88Xo025863; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:08:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1JL86wq025848; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:08:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030219160728.026dcc30@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:07:48 -0500 To: "Bruce N" , "List-dc cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Wild Pictures from the Navy In-Reply-To: <003e01c2d85a$bad36e70$6401a8c0@XP1> References: <200302191311.AA435815076@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:06 PM 2/19/2003, Bruce N wrote: >Is it just me or do none of these links work? they did work at first, but the site went down on all of them about an hour ago for some reason. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Norloff" >To: "List-dc cycles" >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 1:11 PM >Subject: Wild Pictures from the Navy > > > > Here's some wild pictures. > > > > Naval Safety Center - Photos of the Week > > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/archive.htm > > > > There's only one specific to motorcycles: > > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo15.htm > > > > But a bunch about cars driven into the most amazing places and > positions: > > > > In Too Deep > > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo70_1.htm > > > > Submerged Underwater Vehicle (SUV) > > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo70_2.htm > > > > Hole in One > > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo56.htm > > > > Seeing Yellow? > > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo50.htm > > > > Got Gas? > > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo49.htm > > > > and boats: > > Bizarre Boating Blunders > > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo43.htm > > > > How not to stop your speed boat > > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo10.htm > > > > and airplanes: > > Breaking the Ice > > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo64.htm > > > > and forklifts carrying bombs!: > > Ain't This Da Bomb > > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo36_1.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 20 09:23:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1KEN0Xo006868; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:23:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1KEMvtm006858; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:22:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:22:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200302200922.AA62652944@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "Bruce N" , "List-dc cycles" , Aki Damme Subject: Re: Wild Pictures from the Navy X-Mailer: Darn, too many hits perhaps. I got the initial URL from an article in The Washington Post, with a picture of the forklift carrying the bomb, that drove off the end of the shipping dock. Bet that got some folks attention! I just checked several links and they're working for me now (0920 hr., 20 Feb) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Aki Damme Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:07:48 -0500 >At 04:06 PM 2/19/2003, Bruce N wrote: >>Is it just me or do none of these links work? > > >they did work at first, but the site went down on all of them about >an hour ago for some reason. > > > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Chris Norloff" >>To: "List-dc cycles" >>Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 1:11 PM >>Subject: Wild Pictures from the Navy >> >> >> > Here's some wild pictures. >> > >> > Naval Safety Center - Photos of the Week >> > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/archive.htm >> > >> > There's only one specific to motorcycles: >> > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo15.htm >> > >> > But a bunch about cars driven into the most amazing places and >> positions: >> > >> > In Too Deep >> > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo70_1.htm >> > >> > Submerged Underwater Vehicle (SUV) >> > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo70_2.htm >> > >> > Hole in One >> > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo56.htm >> > >> > Seeing Yellow? >> > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo50.htm >> > >> > Got Gas? >> > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo49.htm >> > >> > and boats: >> > Bizarre Boating Blunders >> > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo43.htm >> > >> > How not to stop your speed boat >> > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo10.htm >> > >> > and airplanes: >> > Breaking the Ice >> > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo64.htm >> > >> > and forklifts carrying bombs!: >> > Ain't This Da Bomb >> > http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/photo36_1.htm >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 20 11:36:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1KGa8Xo008635; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:36:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1KGa4K2008628; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:36:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001701c2d8fe$53633aa0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Rode today Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:26:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 About a quarter to five this morning, I heard the "bleep, bleep, bleep" of the city's plow trucks going back and forth and back and forth, clearing our street. Well, maybe "clearing" is too grand a term. They did get about a lane and a half plowed down to asphalt and got rid of the 4' high snow piles and the humongous pile at the end of the block. So, the brief no riding season is over. Ahhh, that felt better to fire up the old Interceptor, which was none the worse for wear, having spent four days encased in snow. For once I'm glad *not* to have a garage on the alley. The alleys are in rough shape and probably won't be plowed at all. Drove the cage to work yesterday after spending thirty minutes digging it out. Glad I did since Metro sounds like it was a total cluster. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 20 13:37:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1KIbuXo011528; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:37:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1KIbtlR011521; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:37:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6CFC@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Arrested for feeding deer Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:37:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Might help keep them off the roads http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/02/20/offbeat.deer.lady.ap/index.html Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 20 18:40:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1KNetXo015694; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 18:40:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1KNesZj015684; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 18:40:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E55674B.2235795B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 18:39:55 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Rode today References: <001701c2d8fe$53633aa0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > About a quarter to five this morning, I heard the "bleep, bleep, bleep" of > the city's plow trucks going back and forth and back and forth, clearing our > street. Well, maybe "clearing" is too grand a term. They did get about a > lane and a half plowed down to asphalt and got rid of the 4' high snow piles > and the humongous pile at the end of the block. > > So, the brief no riding season is over. Ahhh, that felt better to fire up > the old Interceptor, which was none the worse for wear, having spent four > days encased in snow. For once > I'm glad *not* to have a garage on the alley. The alleys are in rough shape > and probably won't be plowed at all. Me too. Dug a path from the carport to get the scoot loose and off I went... Wheee! I was the only scoot on the corner of 20th and Crystal Drive. The usual M/C quasi-legal parking spot was a snow mountain but I managed to squeeze in. The only rough spot was when Milady got home and realized I rode. Yeech, that woman can pitch a hissy... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 20 22:09:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1L399Xo024188; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:09:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1L396Xi024178; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:09:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030220194454.00b3b5b0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:45:41 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: THE Motorcycle for riding in the snow! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yamaha's new 2-wheel drive rally bike. (Different from the 2-wheel drive R1 tested some months back.) -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 21 08:14:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1LDEjXo030608; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:14:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1LDEf2Z030593; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:14:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:14:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200302210814.AA148701772@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: THE Motorcycle for riding in the snow! X-Mailer: Here's my choices for snow-bikes: Rokon - 2WD with chain drive, can add a sidecar! http://www.rokon.com/ Yamaha - 2WD with hydraulic drive http://www.motorcycledaily.com/19february03twowheeldrive.html Honda ST1100 Snowplow http://photos.yahoo.com/pcrider_nva ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Sean Jordan Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:45:41 -0600 >Yamaha's new 2-wheel drive rally bike. (Different from the 2-wheel drive R1 >tested some months back.) > >-Sean Jordan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 21 08:29:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1LDTNXo032668; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:29:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1LDTMhf032658; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:29:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E562978.34C1FD5E@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:28:24 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: THE Motorcycle for riding in the snow! References: <200302210814.AA148701772@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My choice for riding in the snow... Inside the heated cab of my ratty 4WD Dakota. Hey, I'm a wimp. But I do miss my ol' Yamaha DT-125 enduro. In my younger years, reactions fine tuned with a few beers, me'n my biker pals challanged the 20 plus inches of snow and made several exciting laps around the `hood. After removing mirrors and turn signals :-) Bill Chris Norloff wrote: > Here's my choices for snow-bikes: > > Rokon - 2WD with chain drive, can add a sidecar! > http://www.rokon.com/ > > Yamaha - 2WD with hydraulic drive > http://www.motorcycledaily.com/19february03twowheeldrive.html > > Honda ST1100 Snowplow > http://photos.yahoo.com/pcrider_nva > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Sean Jordan > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:45:41 -0600 > > >Yamaha's new 2-wheel drive rally bike. (Different from the 2-wheel drive R1 > >tested some months back.) > > > >-Sean Jordan > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 21 08:40:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1LDenXo002303; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:40:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1LDenaD002293; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:40:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <030b01c2d9ae$d2fe4010$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell - Master Thomas" From: "S. Russell - Master Thomas" To: References: <200302210814.AA148701772@mail.toward.com> Subject: CB700SC to ZRX1200, any suggestions Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:39:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I am thinking for this season to trade (or sell or keep for that matter) my 84 CB700SC and move up to a 00 Kawasaki ZRX1200. I have been looking at it for quite some time and like the look. I also like the change in size, I am a big guy for a 700. Any comments or suggestions from the group, what to watch out for, anybody know about the bike? Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 21 11:12:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1LGCZXo006325; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:12:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1LGCYur006313; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:12:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030221161156.68087.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:11:56 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: can anyone vouch for my attendance at the 2002 MSF Instructor update at Loudoun? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Somehow my record of attendance has been lost/wasn't made so now my BRC certification is up for debate. I *know* I was there, problem is neither of the coordinators can recall my presense. Can anyone remember one Matt Patton at the Feb/March update at Loudoun? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 08:41:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MDf3Xo023157; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:41:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MDf26R023150; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:41:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <035f01c2da79$e0057ff0$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: Hearing Scheduled Senate Bill 650 - Motorcycle Parking in Metered Spaces Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:54:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FYI: ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." To: Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: ABATE: Hearing Scheduled Senate Bill 650 - Motorcycle Parking in Metered Spaces > Bill Details: > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/sb0650.htm > > The bill is cross-filed in the House of Delegates as HB 923. No hearing is > scheduled at this time for the House version of the bill. > http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/hb0923.htm > > A hearing is scheduled in the Maryland Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee > on March 6, 2003 at 1 pm. > > The parking bill will prohibit local governments from restricting the number > of motorcycles that can legally be parked in a metered parking space. > Current law allows local governments to restrict the number of motorcycles > to two. Only some local governments limit motorcycle parking in this > manner, but it can cause confusion and hardship for motorcycle riders who > are unaware of the restrictions. > > Please contact members of the committee and ask them to VOTE FOR SB 650. > Committee member information is listed below. > > Brian E. Frosh, District 16, Montgomery > Chair (410) 841-3124, (301) 858-3124 > e-mail: brian_frosh@XXXXXX > > Leo E. Green, District 23, Prince George's > Vice-Chair (410) 841-3631, (301) 858-3631 > e-mail: leo_green@XXXXXX > > James Brochin, District 42, Baltimore County > (410) 841-3648, (301) 858-3648 > e-mail: jim_brochin@XXXXXX > > Jennie M. Forehand, District 17, Montgomery > (301) 858-3134, (410) 841-3134 > e-mail: jennie_forehand@XXXXXX > > Robert J. Garagiola, District 15, Montgomery > (301) 858-3169, (410) 841-3169 > e-mail: rob_garagiola@XXXXXX > > * John A. Giannetti, Jr., District 21, Anne Arundel & Prince George's > (301) 858-3141, (410) 841-3141 > e-mail: john_giannetti@XXXXXX > > Larry E. Haines, District 5, Baltimore County, Carroll > (410) 841-3683, (301) 858-3683 > e-mail: larry_haines@XXXXXX > > Ralph M. Hughes, District 40, Baltimore City > (410) 841-3656, (301) 858-3656 > e-mail: ralph_hughes@XXXXXX > > * Nancy Jacobs, District 34, Cecil & Harford > (410) 841-3158, (301) 858-3158 > e-mail: nancy_jacobs@XXXXXX > > Philip C. Jimeno, District 31, Anne Arundel > (410) 841-3658, (301) 858-3658 > e-mail: philip_jimeno@XXXXXX > > Alex X. Mooney, District 3, Frederick & Washington > (301) 858-3575, (410) 841-3575 > e-mail: alex_mooney@XXXXXX > > * Indicates a sponsor of the SB 650. > > In addition to the numbers listed above, you may call the toll-free number > 1-800-492-7122 and provide the last four digits of the phone number to reach > a Senator. > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 11:41:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MGfYXo025991; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:41:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MGfXNh025976; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:41:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200302221641.h1MGfNXo025958@dirty.meretrix.com> From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT?: - Tattoos Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:41:02 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 25 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: cHVyZHlqZXJlbXlAYXR0Lm5ldA== Decide for yourself whether this is off-topic or not... I am looking for a good tattoo parlor in Arlington (North or South makes no difference) Also, since I am a newbie to the tattoo experience, what should I expect in terms of cost and amount of time required? Thanks -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 11:56:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MGuPXo028167; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:56:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MGuPm7028157; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:56:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E57AB80.4ECE0962@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:55:29 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT?: - Tattoos References: <200302221641.h1MGfNXo025958@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No place specific to name, but... Make sure the place uses disposable needle tips and/or has an autoclave unit to sterilize the equipment. Cost and time is dependant on the particular piece of artwork. Some extravagant murals require several visits. Location is your choice, you might wish to pick a spot that would be concealed by professional dress clothes but revealed in casual mode. - citizen by day, badass biker by night :-) Bill purdyjeremy@XXXXXX wrote: > Decide for yourself whether this is off-topic or not... > > I am looking for a good tattoo parlor in Arlington (North or South makes no > difference) > > Also, since I am a newbie to the tattoo experience, what should I expect in > terms of cost and amount of time required? > > Thanks > > -- > Jeremy Purdy > '00 Yamaha V-Star From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 12:51:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MHpDXo029442; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:51:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MHpCSB029432; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:51:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030222175054.8740.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:50:54 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: OT?: - Tattoos To: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200302221641.h1MGfNXo025958@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have heard good things about Jinx in Goergetown. --- purdyjeremy@XXXXXX wrote: > Decide for yourself whether this is off-topic or > not... > > I am looking for a good tattoo parlor in Arlington > (North or South makes no > difference) > > Also, since I am a newbie to the tattoo experience, > what should I expect in > terms of cost and amount of time required? > > Thanks > > -- > Jeremy Purdy > '00 Yamaha V-Star > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 15:05:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MK5ZXo031094; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:05:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MK5XsL031084; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:05:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12e.23b25cb7.2b8931ff@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:05:19 EST Subject: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Well I got bit by one of the damn speeding cameras and I will be damned if I can figure out what to do about it. I mean it was truly ridiculous. To have been going the speed limit I would have to have been going at least 10 to 15 mph. _below_ traffic_ and anyone reading this knows that to do so on a bike is nothing less then suicidal, I cannot imagine a real cop giving anyone a ticket under the circumstances. What are the odds of fighting this? Advice? Anyhow I have now vowed not to enter the District unless I need to. I will not spend a dime in the District even if I am there working until those damn cameras are removed. That means No eating at restaurants. No souvenirs. No gas. No nothing. I will see to it that the district loses more in _tax_ revenue then it nailed me for in that damn fine and that means costing the businesses in the district way, way more then $50.00. It is the only "revenge" I can think of that is legal. What I would really love to see is a general boycott of District business until these damn things are removed. Wonder how you get one started? Advice? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 15:19:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MKJHXo000811; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:19:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MKJHHT000801; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:19:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <03bd01c2daaf$bba945c0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <12e.23b25cb7.2b8931ff@aol.com> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:19:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:19:07 -0600 Where at ?? MC in Md. ************************************* >From: > Well I got bit by one of the damn speeding cameras From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 15:46:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MKkYXo002061; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:46:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MKkXni002051; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:46:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000701c2dab3$6da694f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <12e.23b25cb7.2b8931ff@aol.com> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:46:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79bb104191a7bb3e7a4394005634c3cad6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c John Lamented: > Well I got bit by one of the damn speeding cameras and I will be damned if I > can figure out what to do about it. ...What are the odds of fighting this? > > Advice? [Dave] Check out www.motorists.org (NMA) for advice or lawyer referral . Whatever you do, DON'T do nothing. I have heard that reading the back of the ticket by asserting that ticket was issued in error you affirm that it might have been someone else & that is enough to not charge you ( it was on Channel 4 news, I've never gotten one ). I'd definitely consult a lawyer who specializes in traffic. I've heard it was practically impossible to challenge due process, evidenciary rules, discovery process what have you for these revenue generators. > Anyhow I have now vowed not to enter the District unless I need to. [Dave] Why would you need to ? > I will not spend a dime in the District even if I am there working until > those damn cameras are removed. > That means > No eating at restaurants. > No souvenirs. > No gas. > No nothing. [Dave] BTDTGTTS. Excluding my trip to the spy museum this past year, I hadn't been in DC in years, and won't. > I will see to it that the district loses more in _tax_ revenue then it nailed > me for in that damn fine and that means costing the businesses in the > district way, way more then $50.00. > > It is the only "revenge" I can think of that is legal. > > What I would really love to see is a general boycott of District business > until these damn things are removed. Wonder how you get one started? [Dave] Start by writing your congresscritters. They're about the only hope that the DC government greed can be checked. Even that is a long shot. Another thing you might consider doing is something a gun dealer friend of mine has done. When large numbers of us go to a restaurant, before heading out, he asks that people get cash so we can have one check. After ponying up, he keeps a copy of the receipts & sends them with nasty grams to restaurants belinging to the VA Restaurant association, like Outback etc... You could try that with, ride to work day, Daytona 200 events, etc... post at the various local bike shops.. I think the Virginia plates still have "IH8DC" and "H8DC" available... Check for MD. That should be enough to get started. Also, when you hear from the lawyer, double check them. My wife got a Virginny HOV violation last summer. She talked to 4 different traffic lawyers who assured her it would not affect her insurance (yes, it would show on the record, but it "wasn't a moving violation"). WRONG. $103.00 / year for the next 3 years more on insurance than it would've been without... She refused to go to court, "too much hassle" she whined... HTH Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 16:50:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MLovXo004514; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:50:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MLouYb004504; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:50:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E57F08A.CC29E5A1@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:50:02 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pissed at DC References: <12e.23b25cb7.2b8931ff@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boycott? I'd love to help out but DC lost my business eons ago. Do tell, what does DC have that Northern VA doesn't? Not much, if anything. Of course I'm biased - cities suck majorly. Bill PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Well I got bit by one of the damn speeding cameras and I will be damned if I > can figure out what to do about it. I mean it was truly ridiculous. To have > been going the speed limit I would have to have been going at least 10 to 15 > mph. _below_ traffic_ and anyone reading this knows that to do so on a bike > is nothing less then suicidal, I cannot imagine a real cop giving anyone a > ticket under the circumstances. What are the odds of fighting this? > > Advice? > > Anyhow I have now vowed not to enter the District unless I need to. > I will not spend a dime in the District even if I am there working until > those damn cameras are removed. > That means > No eating at restaurants. > No souvenirs. > No gas. > No nothing. > I will see to it that the district loses more in _tax_ revenue then it nailed > me for in that damn fine and that means costing the businesses in the > district way, way more then $50.00. > > It is the only "revenge" I can think of that is legal. > > What I would really love to see is a general boycott of District business > until these damn things are removed. Wonder how you get one started? > > Advice? > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. > Take the hint. > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 17:01:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MM1QXo006595; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:01:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MM1PTU006583; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:01:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <051e01c2dabd$e2afa070$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell - Master Thomas" From: "S. Russell - Master Thomas" To: "William J. Huson" , Cc: References: <12e.23b25cb7.2b8931ff@aol.com> <3E57F08A.CC29E5A1@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:00:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Well, they used to have a crack smoking mayor, but they still have a higher crime rate, a higher death toll, etc.... Was this a stationary traffic control or one of those 5 cars that move to get all of the people that come from outside of DC, just because they know they can't tax the people who don't live in DC. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Pissed at DC > Boycott? I'd love to help out but DC lost my business eons ago. Do tell, what > does DC have that Northern VA doesn't? Not much, if anything. Of course I'm > biased - cities suck majorly. > > Bill > > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Well I got bit by one of the damn speeding cameras and I will be damned if I > > can figure out what to do about it. I mean it was truly ridiculous. To have > > been going the speed limit I would have to have been going at least 10 to 15 > > mph. _below_ traffic_ and anyone reading this knows that to do so on a bike > > is nothing less then suicidal, I cannot imagine a real cop giving anyone a > > ticket under the circumstances. What are the odds of fighting this? > > > > Advice? > > > > Anyhow I have now vowed not to enter the District unless I need to. > > I will not spend a dime in the District even if I am there working until > > those damn cameras are removed. > > That means > > No eating at restaurants. > > No souvenirs. > > No gas. > > No nothing. > > I will see to it that the district loses more in _tax_ revenue then it nailed > > me for in that damn fine and that means costing the businesses in the > > district way, way more then $50.00. > > > > It is the only "revenge" I can think of that is legal. > > > > What I would really love to see is a general boycott of District business > > until these damn things are removed. Wonder how you get one started? > > > > Advice? > > > > John Walters (Long John) > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > Up near DC > > > > The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. > > Take the hint. > > > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 17:02:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MM2fXo007625; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:02:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MM2eWk007617; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:02:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001601c2dabe$25146450$56702c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <12e.23b25cb7.2b8931ff@aol.com> <000701c2dab3$6da694f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:02:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" To: Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Pissed at DC > John Lamented: > > > Well I got bit by one of the damn speeding cameras and I will be damned if > I > > can figure out what to do about it. ...What are the odds of fighting this? > > > > Advice? > > [Dave] Check out www.motorists.org (NMA) for advice or lawyer referral . > Whatever you do, DON'T do nothing. I have heard that reading the back of > the ticket by asserting that ticket was issued in error you affirm that it > might have been someone else & that is enough to not charge you ( it was on > Channel 4 news, I've never gotten one ). I'd definitely consult a lawyer > who specializes in traffic. I've heard it was practically impossible to > challenge due process, evidenciary rules, discovery process what have you > for these revenue generators. > > > > Anyhow I have now vowed not to enter the District unless I need to. > > [Dave] Why would you need to ? > > > I will not spend a dime in the District even if I am there working until > > those damn cameras are removed. > > That means > > No eating at restaurants. > > No souvenirs. > > No gas. > > No nothing. > > [Dave] BTDTGTTS. Excluding my trip to the spy museum this past year, I > hadn't been in DC in years, and won't. > > > > I will see to it that the district loses more in _tax_ revenue then it > nailed > > me for in that damn fine and that means costing the businesses in the > > district way, way more then $50.00. > > > > It is the only "revenge" I can think of that is legal. > > > > What I would really love to see is a general boycott of District business > > until these damn things are removed. Wonder how you get one started? > > [Dave] Start by writing your congresscritters. They're about the only hope > that the DC government greed can be checked. Even that is a long shot. > Another thing you might consider doing is something a gun dealer friend of > mine has done. When large numbers of us go to a restaurant, before heading > out, he asks that people get cash so we can have one check. After ponying > up, he keeps a copy of the receipts & sends them with nasty grams to > restaurants belinging to the VA Restaurant association, like Outback etc... > You could try that with, ride to work day, Daytona 200 events, etc... post > at the various local bike shops.. I think the Virginia plates still have > "IH8DC" and "H8DC" available... Check for MD. That should be enough to get > started. > > Oh please...this is really over the top. I'd not a big fan of automated enforcement, but, the man *admitted* to driving 10-15 mph over the limit, didn't claim it was someone else, equipment malfunction, etc. Would there be similar spleen venting if a DC LEO had pulled him resulting in a higher fine, points, and insurance increase? We've been over this before and I suggest there are few places in the District where it is either safe or prudent to drive 10-15 over the limit. And, if it *really* toasts your bagel so much, please stay away, or drive the speed limit. There are too many hot-shoes driving around here already, like the a-hole cabbie honking at me last night on D St. because I wasn't going fast enough on a wet slush-covered street for his taste. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 17:51:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MMpbXo010887; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:51:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MMpaVo010877; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:51:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000701c2dac4$e4f371c0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <12e.23b25cb7.2b8931ff@aol.com> <000701c2dab3$6da694f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> <001601c2dabe$25146450$56702c42@D7XFG711> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:51:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c68c079c57213983f6f915133a522e96350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Paul complained: > Oh please...this is really over the top. > > I'd not a big fan of automated enforcement, but, the man *admitted* to > driving 10-15 mph over the limit, didn't claim it was someone else, > equipment malfunction, etc. Would there be similar spleen venting if a DC > LEO had pulled him resulting in a higher fine, points, and insurance > increase? We've been over this before and I suggest there are few places in > the District where it is either safe or prudent to drive 10-15 over the > limit. [Dave] C'mon Paul ! DC is the only jurisdiction in America that has publicly admitted they subsist on the radar cameras and red light cameras and without them, their government wouldn't be able to operate (with the DC Council, Mayor, staff and Grand Poohbah of the DC MPD raking in 6 figure salaries and be able to maintain their double digit percentage yearly raises, limo service, armed detail, box seats at the MCI center and various other perks). DC is the subject of news reports on the corrupt traffic adjudication bureau every 6-9 months, be it for traffic tickets, or some automated enforcement BS. This has been covered in the past year and 1/2 by NBC, FOX and CBS (if it's been on ABC, I haven't seen it yet). They're crooks, using the color of "Authoritii" to rob from the out of town rich and give to they po selves... Over the top. SHYEAH > And, if it *really* toasts your bagel so much, please stay away [Dave] So far, it looks like many of us have chosen this path in life... >, or drive > the speed limit. There are too many hot-shoes driving around here already, > like the a-hole cabbie honking at me last night on D St. because I wasn't > going fast enough on a wet slush-covered street for his taste. [Dave] As a true connoiseur of 'cabbie mayhem', DC cabbies are Junior varsity... Philly cabbies would take their lunch ! Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 18:11:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MNBqXo013043; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:11:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MNBpIn013033; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:11:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030222231149.85102.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:11:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001601c2dabe$25146450$56702c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Paul is too nice to say what we think here in DC. Why don't you fucking rednecks stay in Va or MD and leave the only slightly intersting place within 200 miles (make that more like 800 miles if you are heading south or west) to us who love it. DC is growing, suceeding and property values will probably continue to appreciate here, even when the tract houses 'out there' take a dive. DC has better restaurants, clubs, museums and fun things to do they suburbia. The only thing missing from DC is good motorcycle roads, but we can get there pretty quick. Also, speed cameras suck. So do red light cameras. But you know what? Lots of areas have them. Not only DC. Are you planning to boycott Alexandria next? They have plenty of red light cameras there. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Yates" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 3:46 PM > Subject: Re: Pissed at DC > > > > John Lamented: > > > > > Well I got bit by one of the damn speeding > cameras and I will be damned > if > > I > > > can figure out what to do about it. ...What are > the odds of fighting > this? > > > > > > Advice? > > > > [Dave] Check out www.motorists.org (NMA) for > advice or lawyer referral . > > Whatever you do, DON'T do nothing. I have heard > that reading the back of > > the ticket by asserting that ticket was issued in > error you affirm that it > > might have been someone else & that is enough to > not charge you ( it was > on > > Channel 4 news, I've never gotten one ). I'd > definitely consult a lawyer > > who specializes in traffic. I've heard it was > practically impossible to > > challenge due process, evidenciary rules, > discovery process what have you > > for these revenue generators. > > > > > > > Anyhow I have now vowed not to enter the > District unless I need to. > > > > [Dave] Why would you need to ? > > > > > I will not spend a dime in the District even if > I am there working until > > > those damn cameras are removed. > > > That means > > > No eating at restaurants. > > > No souvenirs. > > > No gas. > > > No nothing. > > > > [Dave] BTDTGTTS. Excluding my trip to the spy > museum this past year, I > > hadn't been in DC in years, and won't. > > > > > > > I will see to it that the district loses more in > _tax_ revenue then it > > nailed > > > me for in that damn fine and that means costing > the businesses in the > > > district way, way more then $50.00. > > > > > > It is the only "revenge" I can think of that is > legal. > > > > > > What I would really love to see is a general > boycott of District > business > > > until these damn things are removed. Wonder how > you get one started? > > > > [Dave] Start by writing your congresscritters. > They're about the only > hope > > that the DC government greed can be checked. Even > that is a long shot. > > Another thing you might consider doing is > something a gun dealer friend of > > mine has done. When large numbers of us go to a > restaurant, before > heading > > out, he asks that people get cash so we can have > one check. After ponying > > up, he keeps a copy of the receipts & sends them > with nasty grams to > > restaurants belinging to the VA Restaurant > association, like Outback > etc... > > You could try that with, ride to work day, Daytona > 200 events, etc... > post > > at the various local bike shops.. I think the > Virginia plates still have > > "IH8DC" and "H8DC" available... Check for MD. > That should be enough to > get > > started. > > > > > > Oh please...this is really over the top. > > I'd not a big fan of automated enforcement, but, the > man *admitted* to > driving 10-15 mph over the limit, didn't claim it > was someone else, > equipment malfunction, etc. Would there be similar > spleen venting if a DC > LEO had pulled him resulting in a higher fine, > points, and insurance > increase? We've been over this before and I suggest > there are few places in > the District where it is either safe or prudent to > drive 10-15 over the > limit. > > And, if it *really* toasts your bagel so much, > please stay away, or drive > the speed limit. There are too many hot-shoes > driving around here already, > like the a-hole cabbie honking at me last night on D > St. because I wasn't > going fast enough on a wet slush-covered street for > his taste. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 18:13:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MNDuXo014109; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:13:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MNDt8O014097; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:13:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030222231338.8774.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:13:38 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000701c2dab3$6da694f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Outback? Tell me you are kidding. Thank god there is not one of them in DC. ANother reason to live here. --- > [Dave] Start by writing your congresscritters. > They're about the only hope > that the DC government greed can be checked. Even > that is a long shot. > Another thing you might consider doing is something > a gun dealer friend of > mine has done. When large numbers of us go to a > restaurant, before heading > out, he asks that people get cash so we can have one > check. After ponying > up, he keeps a copy of the receipts & sends them > with nasty grams to > restaurants belinging to the VA Restaurant > association, like Outback etc... > You could try that with, ride to work day, Daytona > 200 events, etc... post > at the various local bike shops.. I think the > Virginia plates still have > "IH8DC" and "H8DC" available... Check for MD. That > should be enough to get > started. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 18:14:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MNEIXo014161; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:14:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MNEHGe014156; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:14:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001301c2dac8$26cf7640$f5312c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , References: <12e.23b25cb7.2b8931ff@aol.com> <000701c2dab3$6da694f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> <001601c2dabe$25146450$56702c42@D7XFG711> <000701c2dac4$e4f371c0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:14:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Like I said, I'm no big fan of the problem, I just think in the catalog of all that ills the world, this is pretty far down the list. If you get caught misbehaving in traffic, you take your lumps and move on. And, as Bill said, there's nothing in DC that's not in NoVa, so you might as well stay home. Nothing besides art, culture, architecture, fine dining, music of all types, the zoo, world-class museums, professional sports, national monuments, the orchestra, ballet, opera, live theater out the wazoo.... Yep, no reason to cross that river at all. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" To: Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Pissed at DC > Paul complained: > > > Oh please...this is really over the top. > > > > I'd not a big fan of automated enforcement, but, the man *admitted* to > > driving 10-15 mph over the limit, didn't claim it was someone else, > > equipment malfunction, etc. Would there be similar spleen venting if a DC > > LEO had pulled him resulting in a higher fine, points, and insurance > > increase? We've been over this before and I suggest there are few places > in > > the District where it is either safe or prudent to drive 10-15 over the > > limit. > > [Dave] C'mon Paul ! DC is the only jurisdiction in America that has > publicly admitted they subsist on the radar cameras and red light cameras > and without them, their government wouldn't be able to operate (with the DC > Council, Mayor, staff and Grand Poohbah of the DC MPD raking in 6 figure > salaries and be able to maintain their double digit percentage yearly > raises, limo service, armed detail, box seats at the MCI center and various > other perks). DC is the subject of news reports on the corrupt traffic > adjudication bureau every 6-9 months, be it for traffic tickets, or some > automated enforcement BS. This has been covered in the past year and 1/2 > by NBC, FOX and CBS (if it's been on ABC, I haven't seen it yet). > > They're crooks, using the color of "Authoritii" Cartman> to rob from the out of town rich and give to they po selves... > > Over the top. SHYEAH > > > > And, if it *really* toasts your bagel so much, please stay away > > [Dave] So far, it looks like many of us have chosen this path in life... > > >, or drive > > the speed limit. There are too many hot-shoes driving around here > already, > > like the a-hole cabbie honking at me last night on D St. because I wasn't > > going fast enough on a wet slush-covered street for his taste. > > [Dave] As a true connoiseur of 'cabbie mayhem', DC cabbies are Junior > varsity... Philly cabbies would take their lunch ! > > Dave > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 18:15:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MNFFXo014224; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:15:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MNFEOH014214; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:15:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <03f901c2dac8$50adb170$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <12e.23b25cb7.2b8931ff@aol.com> <000701c2dab3$6da694f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> <001601c2dabe$25146450$56702c42@D7XFG711> <000701c2dac4$e4f371c0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:15:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:15:04 -0600 You've GOT to be kidding. There's not enough people speeding in DC. The town is LOADED with slow pokes. Unlike NYC, where people at least drive like they have somewhere to go, DC drivers act like they have nowhere to go. Teach people how to drive, not parallel park. Set standards of driving proficiency Test annually. Flunk those who don't pass with 80% or better. And stop giving idiots drivers licenses. MC in Md. ******************************************************** > Paul complained: > There are too many hot-shoes driving around here > already......... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 18:18:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MNIuXo020264; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:18:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MNIt6i020254; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:18:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <040701c2dac8$d4674fd0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <12e.23b25cb7.2b8931ff@aol.com> <000701c2dab3$6da694f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> <001601c2dabe$25146450$56702c42@D7XFG711> <000701c2dac4$e4f371c0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> <001301c2dac8$26cf7640$f5312c42@D7XFG711> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:19:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:18:45 -0600 Always have.............always will. I run 50 in any 30 I can. 70 in a 50 and 90 in a 70 ...............right along with traffic. If everyone went the stupid, artificial low speed limit..............we'd never get anywhere. Teach people how to drive, not parallel park. Set standards of driving proficiency Test annually. Flunk those who don't pass with 80% or better. And stop giving idiots drivers licenses. MC in Md. ****************************************************** > From: "Paul Wilson" > If you get > caught misbehaving in traffic, you take your lumps and move on. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 18:20:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1MNKFXo021302; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:20:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1MNKFrS021297; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:20:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030222232013.15181.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:20:13 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: Paul Wilson , Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001301c2dac8$26cf7640$f5312c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please, do stay home. And while you are at it, avoid New York City, Boston, Chicago, SF, London, Paris, Munich, Tokyo........they all have speed cameras. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Like I said, I'm no big fan of the problem, I just > think in the catalog of > all that ills the world, this is pretty far down the > list. If you get > caught misbehaving in traffic, you take your lumps > and move on. > > And, as Bill said, there's nothing in DC that's not > in NoVa, so you might as > well stay home. Nothing besides art, culture, > architecture, fine dining, > music of all types, the zoo, world-class museums, > professional sports, > national monuments, the orchestra, ballet, opera, > live theater out the > wazoo.... Yep, no reason to cross that river at > all. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Yates" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:51 PM > Subject: Re: Pissed at DC > > > > Paul complained: > > > > > Oh please...this is really over the top. > > > > > > I'd not a big fan of automated enforcement, but, > the man *admitted* to > > > driving 10-15 mph over the limit, didn't claim > it was someone else, > > > equipment malfunction, etc. Would there be > similar spleen venting if a > DC > > > LEO had pulled him resulting in a higher fine, > points, and insurance > > > increase? We've been over this before and I > suggest there are few > places > > in > > > the District where it is either safe or prudent > to drive 10-15 over the > > > limit. > > > > [Dave] C'mon Paul ! DC is the only jurisdiction > in America that has > > publicly admitted they subsist on the radar > cameras and red light cameras > > and without them, their government wouldn't be > able to operate (with the > DC > > Council, Mayor, staff and Grand Poohbah of the DC > MPD raking in 6 figure > > salaries and be able to maintain their double > digit percentage yearly > > raises, limo service, armed detail, box seats at > the MCI center and > various > > other perks). DC is the subject of news reports > on the corrupt traffic > > adjudication bureau every 6-9 months, be it for > traffic tickets, or some > > automated enforcement BS. This has been covered > in the past year and 1/2 > > by NBC, FOX and CBS (if it's been on ABC, I > haven't seen it yet). > > > > They're crooks, using the color of > "Authoritii" > Cartman> to rob from the out of town rich and give > to they po selves... > > > > Over the top. SHYEAH > > > > > > > And, if it *really* toasts your bagel so much, > please stay away > > > > [Dave] So far, it looks like many of us have > chosen this path in life... > > > > >, or drive > > > the speed limit. There are too many hot-shoes > driving around here > > already, > > > like the a-hole cabbie honking at me last night > on D St. because I > wasn't > > > going fast enough on a wet slush-covered street > for his taste. > > > > [Dave] As a true connoiseur of 'cabbie mayhem', DC > cabbies are Junior > > varsity... Philly cabbies would take their lunch > ! > > > > Dave > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 19:32:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1N0WWXo030291; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:32:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1N0WVkL030281; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:32:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <042f01c2dad3$1e7146d0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030222231149.85102.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:32:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:32:24 -0600 Lighten up Mark. Vulgarity and bigotry will get you no where. And quite frankly......... only about 20% of your fair city is worth more than a nickel. If I see a white flash from the south in the near future, I'll know that there's been a clean-up long overdue. Cheers.....................Mike in Md. ***************************************************** >From: "Mark Kitchell" > Paul is too nice to say what we think here in DC. Why > don't you fucking rednecks stay in Va or MD and leave > the only slightly intersting place within 200 miles > to us who love it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 19:35:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1N0Z2Xo031355; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:35:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1N0Z2Z7031345; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:35:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <045301c2dad3$76dfd390$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Pissed at DC Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:35:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:34:52 -0600 > Where at ?? > > MC in Md. > ************************************* > >From: > > Well I got bit by one of the damn speeding cameras From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 19:36:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1N0aJXo001027; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:36:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1N0aImo001017; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:36:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030222193531.021671b8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:36:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Pissed at DC In-Reply-To: <20030222231149.85102.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <001601c2dabe$25146450$56702c42@D7XFG711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Most of us on this list fall into that group asswad. Another Kitchell gem. At 06:11 PM 2/22/2003, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Why don't you fucking rednecks stay in Va or MD and leave >the only slightly intersting place within 200 miles >(make that more like 800 miles if you are heading >south or west) to us who love it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 19:42:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1N0ghXo004150; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:42:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1N0ggB4004140; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:42:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:42:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: Mark Kitchell Cc: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E5818F8.D51F613E@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20030222231149.85102.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Mark Kitchell wrote: > Why > don't you fucking rednecks stay in Va or MD and leave > the only slightly intersting place within 200 miles > (make that more like 800 miles if you are heading > south or west) to us who love it. It's yours. Enjoy. :) Hork, heading to an interesting place 800 miles south next month (Daytona) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 19:44:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1N0iBXo006170; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:44:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1N0iBWn006166; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:44:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <046401c2dad4$bdee2ce0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <001601c2dabe$25146450$56702c42@D7XFG711> <5.2.0.9.0.20030222193531.021671b8@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:44:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:44:01 -0600 Love it. ****************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Pissed at DC > Most of us on this list fall into that group asswad. Another Kitchell gem. > > At 06:11 PM 2/22/2003, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Why don't you fucking rednecks stay in Va or MD and leave > >the only slightly intersting place within 200 miles > >(make that more like 800 miles if you are heading > >south or west) to us who love it. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 20:53:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1N1rBXo009509; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 20:53:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1N1rAYN009499; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 20:53:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E58294E.BF27206B@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 20:52:15 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pissed at DC References: <12e.23b25cb7.2b8931ff@aol.com> <000701c2dab3$6da694f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> <001601c2dabe$25146450$56702c42@D7XFG711> <000701c2dac4$e4f371c0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> <001301c2dac8$26cf7640$f5312c42@D7XFG711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > And, as Bill said, there's nothing in DC that's not in NoVa, so you might as > well stay home. Nothing besides art, culture, architecture, fine dining, > music of all types, the zoo, world-class museums, professional sports, > national monuments, the orchestra, ballet, opera, live theater out the > wazoo.... Yep, no reason to cross that river at all. Lemme see here... Art? Plenty of art everywhere. My grandkiddies keep my refrigerator decorated. Culture? hee hee hee... Architecture? Interesting architecture avaialble in practically any small burg on the East Coast. Unless your talking abandoned row houses (what they were called before those with *cultcha* renamed them townhouses) Fine dining? Hmm, never been overly impressed with chow in DC. You can't eat fine silverware and china. Music of all types? Lawsy, like we *never* have any music in the burbs. Sheesh, even that rathole bar in downtown Annandale has music. The zoo!!! Score one point for Paul. Been there, fortunately not on they day the gang bangers mowed down a buncha patrons. World class Museums? Yeah, they're not bad. Professional sports? Really, like I give a rats ass, nor can I afford the tickets. Although reading about te various players doing dirty deeds is a hoot. National monuments? Seen `em a few times while herding my junior high schools kids thru the obligatory field trip. (7th & 8th graders - herding cats is easier) The orchestra? Hmm, like damn near every village in the burbs has one of those, and they're pretty damn good to. Sometimes free concerts! Ballet? Yes! We have ballet troupes, or whatever they're called. I invited Milady to a ballet event late fall. By the time she recovered from shock the show was over. Maybe next time... Opera? Whatever. A root canal spounds like more fun. Live theatre? Plenty of those. Of course they're not professional shows with budget creaming ticket prices, but a play is a play, and I kind of like a pack of gutsy amatuers making it work. But then I'm a strange ranger - a redneck, according to Mark 25:17, and a flaming librul, according to a majority of the dc-cycles denizons. According to me, cities sucketh. Yep, raised in the swamps, prefer the swamps. At least the snakes are easily indentified. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 22 21:57:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1N2vDXo011851; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 21:57:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1N2vCgQ011841; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 21:57:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005501c2dae7$34a00cc0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <12e.23b25cb7.2b8931ff@aol.com> <000701c2dab3$6da694f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> <001601c2dabe$25146450$56702c42@D7XFG711> <000701c2dac4$e4f371c0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> <001301c2dac8$26cf7640$f5312c42@D7XFG711> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 21:56:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79dcc86d2eec901102e83e9e482b12c0c8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Paul backpedals: > Like I said, I'm no big fan of the problem, I just think in the catalog of > all that ills the world, this is pretty far down the list. If you get > caught misbehaving in traffic, you take your lumps and move on. [Dave] No, you don't "take your lumps" any more than when the IRS calls & says they want to review your taxes for the last 3 years. You make the government PROVE you were misbehaving. If you "take your lumps" without so much as complaining, you end up getting the government you opted for by doing nothing. So, if the "problem" is so far down on the list, how come there's always cops available to man the speed traps, but the depressed neighborhoods can't get a beat cop on patrol more than once a week ? .... well? DC could have 4 beat cops for the price of Chief Ramsey... And they would probably solve more crimes too. > And, as Bill said, there's nothing in DC that's not in NoVa, so you might as > well stay home. Nothing besides art, culture, architecture, fine dining, > music of all types, the zoo, world-class museums, professional sports, > national monuments, the orchestra, ballet, opera, live theater out the > wazoo.... Yep, no reason to cross that river at all. [Dave] I'm just a country boy from Accokeek where [Mark don't read this section] they make guns [ok to resume reading Mark] but even *I* and my redneck family know that graffiti does not count as "art or culture". If a restaurant doesn't serve sweet tea & hog jowls, it isn't fine dining by any stretch, either. I'll give you the national monuments, and there's always my bank on Capitol hill... Mark piled on with: Paul is too nice to say what we think here in DC. Why don't you fucking rednecks stay in Va or MD and leave the only slightly intersting place within 200 miles (make that more like 800 miles if you are heading south or west) to us who love it. [Dave] Why did you have to deliberately try to escalate this into a flame fest? It was a civil discussion between some disagreeing parties until you dumped this on the list - as evidenced by the follow up messages. Also note that while Alexandria & Fairfax have red light cameras, which I do not like on principle, but I dislike red light runners worse, DC is the only area around which uses speed cameras, and they do it for nothing more than to make money, period. Your mayor testified to that effect in front of the DC council - it was on the news, WTOP, channels 4, 5, 7 & 9... It was in the Post & Times too. THAT is why we don't boycott Alexandria. Further, Alexandria steps up by posting street cops in Old Town during afternoon rush, suspending the 1 or 2 red light cameras during the period the officer directs traffic... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 08:57:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NDvPXo029880; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:57:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NDvOVN029873; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:57:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <151.1c38df68.2b8a2d38@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:57:12 EST Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/22/2003 3:15:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, SBave writes: > Advice? > >> > > > Don't speed??? Oh yea there is a brilliant idea. I just love traveling far slower then traffic on a motorcycle, it is almost as much fun as Russian Roulette but you do not need a gun permit. What is needed is not blind acceptance of bullshit laws, but efforts to change them. When virtually _no one_ obeys the speed limit the cure is not more enforcement but a more reasonable speed limit. In addition these cameras are not about safety but profit. Local government and (This is the obscene part) _private industry_ are in it for profit. Period! I think we should all get in out cages (it would be very unsafe on a bike) and drive the speed limit one day just to tie up traffic. Hell if I had been going the speed limit I could have gotten a ticket for impeding traffic. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 09:04:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NE4hXo029975; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:04:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NE4hbC029965; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:04:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <25.34b77c14.2b8a2eef@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:04:31 EST Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/22/2003 3:19:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrc.engr@XXXXXX writes: > Where at ?? I-295N by exit 2. White car on the side of the road with the camera on the dash. A typical speed trap, absurdly low limit, high volume, a real money machine. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 09:14:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NEEgXo032030; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:14:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NEEgvC032020; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:14:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:14:25 EST Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/22/2003 5:03:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > There are too many hot-shoes driving around here already, I WAS NOT "HOT SHOEING!" If I had been I would have no complaint. I was riding with and at the flow of traffic, to do less is dangerous. As for the cabbie in the slush, he was OK as long as he was below the limit, even if it was insane for conditions, the camera would never have taken his picture. That is another problem a camera has no judgment, I do not believe a cop would have given me a ticket because a human is capable of realizing that I was in fact riding in a safe manner. And I would hope he would have nailed the cabbie. But we do not need as many cops on the road because we have cameras. Bullshit! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 09:27:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NERcXo000651; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:27:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NERcs9000640; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:27:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8.349d04a7.2b8a344e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:27:26 EST Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/22/2003 6:12:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > Also, speed cameras suck. So do red light cameras. Did I say anything about red light cameras? Yes they are bullshit and are causing far more accidents then they prevent and are about profit. But I was talking about a speed trap plain and simple. > Lots of areas have them. Not really, around here yes, nationwide no. They need to be stopped _before_ they become pervasive. Redneck? Now that is funny. Do you even know the meaning of the word? Your credibility goes right out the window when you resort to insult. Redneck, Hee Hee. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 09:30:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NEUDXo000712; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:30:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NEUD7a000706; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:30:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e6.2ce1874.2b8a34ea@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:30:02 EST Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/22/2003 6:14:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > If you get > caught misbehaving in traffic, you take your lumps and move on. OK I will say it again. _I_was_not_misbehaving_in traffic_!!!!! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 09:31:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NEVtXo001816; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:31:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NEVsDN001808; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:31:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1ac.1120425e.2b8a354f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:31:43 EST Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/22/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrc.engr@XXXXXX writes: > Teach people how to drive, not parallel park. > Set standards of driving proficiency > Test annually. > Flunk those who don't pass with 80% or better. > And stop giving idiots drivers licenses. > Here, here! I second that one. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 10:11:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NFBkXo004130; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:11:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NFBiTY004115; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:11:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002101c2db4d$f1a45a40$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <151.1c38df68.2b8a2d38@aol.com> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:10:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:11:34 -0600 For sure John.... about riding slower than traffic. Dead meat. But getting speed limits back to the original 80th percentile of actual traffic speeds ? Those days are gone because we don't have trained drivers in this country. What a joke. That's where it all starts if you stop and think about it. 90% of our drivers don't do what they are suppose to. When was the last time you had someone pull over so that you could get by ??? Anyone notice a slight difference between driving say..........Germany, Italy or Europe in general ?? Just a slight difference. Since all of us have been clearly told that driving is not a right..........but a privilege.........I suggest the following be implemented immediately. 1. Mandatory training every driver every 2 yrs. 2. Mandatory driving test on roads and highways (not parking lots) 3. Test all functions and phases of driving. City and highway. 4. Fail those who cannot demonstrate (90 % or better) the ability to proficiently DRIVE. And................let the drivers fees pay for the whole testing system. No new taxes for those who do not drive. That'll straighten things up in one hell-of-a hurry. 70% of today's drivers could not pass the above. Traffic would not only be reduced by at least 50%, but those driving would drive in such a manner (European) that I doubt if there ever would be another traffic jam news worthy. Mike Cecchini *************************************************** > John Walters PenguinBiker@XXXXXX> > Oh yea there is a brilliant idea. > I just love traveling far slower then traffic on a motorcycle, it is almost > as much fun as Russian Roulette but you do not need a gun permit. > > What is needed is not blind acceptance of bullshit laws, but efforts to > change them. When virtually _no one_ obeys the speed limit the cure is not > more enforcement but a more reasonable speed limit. In addition these cameras > are not about safety but profit. Local government and (This is the obscene > part) _private industry_ are in it for profit. Period! ************************************************************************************* > > From: SBave > > Advice? > > Don't speed??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 10:21:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NFLkXo004235; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:21:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NFLjpS004220; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:21:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002201c2db4f$599c9ad0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "MAD Email List" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: SafeLight Camera Locations Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:19:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:21:38 -0600 Charlotte advertises it's photo radar and red light cameras. http://www.charmeck.org/Departments/transportation/special+programs/camera+locations. asp MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 10:26:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NFQmXo006387; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:26:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NFQm7J006378; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:26:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002301c2db50$0e09b8e0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "MAD Email List" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Products Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:23:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:26:40 -0600 For those of you interested in the technical aspects. http://www.photocop.com/products.htm#MegaPixel MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 10:31:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NFVpXo008580; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:31:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NFVpR2008572; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:31:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003701c2db50$c2caea60$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: "MAD Email List" Subject: Photo Radar Test Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:31:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:31:44 -0600 http://www.phantomplate.com/fox_news_test.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 10:40:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NFeAXo011758; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:40:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NFeAdn011748; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:40:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006501c2db51$c697b460$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" References: <151.1c38df68.2b8a2d38@aol.com> <002101c2db4d$f1a45a40$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:39:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79cb3ca6028401efdb499bed46a09369e4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Mike C added: > But getting speed limits back to the original 80th percentile of actual traffic > speeds ? Those days are gone because we don't have trained drivers in this country. > What a joke. [Dave] Those days are gone because the insurance lobbies won't let any 'percentile' formula pass anywhere. ...I suggest the following be implemented immediately. > > 1. Mandatory training every driver every 2 yrs. > 2. Mandatory driving test on roads and highways (not parking lots) > 3. Test all functions and phases of driving. City and highway. > 4. Fail those who cannot demonstrate (90 % or better) the ability to proficiently > DRIVE. > > And................let the drivers fees pay for the whole testing system. No new > taxes for those who do not drive. [Dave] How about doing a little more 'driver conditioning' by targetting the REAL offenders. Instead of smooth operator, we need operation target violator. Implement a ZERO tolerance enforcement campaign for : tailgating, left lane turtling, red light running and driving while cell phone yakking - full reckless, no BS baby charges. Nail the Pedestrian and bicyclists too for not using the crosswalks and not obeying rules of the road respectively. That would accomplish some of what we want, it would retask the traffic bimbos with finding people that make everyone's commute more stressful, they're already paid for and we'd all feel a little better about our tax money being spent on traffic enforcement ;-) > That'll straighten things up in one hell-of-a hurry. 70% of today's drivers could > not pass the above. [Dave] No, it wouldn't. It would take years to pass a compromise of what you suggest, and would have economic impact because deliveries would cost more in every aspect. All forms of shipping would be impacted. Maybe if initial training were stiffened substantially, and the prospect of a traffic conviction having to renew certification might do it, but even that is a pipe dream... AARP would fight any form of this tooth < real or false ;-) > and nail. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 11:06:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NG6eXo013906; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:06:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NG6d7S013898; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:06:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007201c2db55$9f73e170$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Dave Yates" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <151.1c38df68.2b8a2d38@aol.com> <002101c2db4d$f1a45a40$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> <006501c2db51$c697b460$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:07:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:06:32 -0600 > [Dave] How about doing a little more 'driver conditioning' by targetting > the REAL offenders. First things first Dave. First we need decent drivers...........THEN penalize the offenders. To do it other way round is what is happening now and joke. All it does is raises revenues. > > That'll straighten things up in one hell-of-a hurry. 70% of today's > drivers could not pass the above. > > [Dave] No, it wouldn't. It would take years to pass a compromise of what > you suggest............. No Dave...............it can be done in 6 months or less........"IF"......we wanted to . > AARP would fight any form of this tooth < real or false ;-) > and nail. > Dave Whoopty ding Dave.........nobody pays attention to them anyway..........why bother now ?? 1. Mandatory training every driver every 2 yrs. 2. Mandatory driving test on roads and highways (not parking lots) 3. Test all functions and phases of driving. City and highway. 4. Fail those who cannot demonstrate (90 % or better) the ability to proficiently DRIVE. See Dave.............the diff between you and I is that I'm not afraid of hurting peoples feelings when it come to driving in America. Your attitude is to tell me the 10,000 ways I cannot do something. I'm here to tell you how it CAN be done. Frankly my dear.........I don't care about being politically correct in this clusterf%$k society. Lets get the job done and move on to REALLY more important matters..............like surviving the next 10-20 yrs. of American hatred that's growing worldwide because of our governments overseas policies. Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 11:10:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NGAHXo015963; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:10:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NGAHRD015956; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:10:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030223160902.843.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:09:02 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: Mark Kitchell , Paul Wilson , Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030222232013.15181.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Many people smoke crack in DC also, that does not make it right. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Please, do stay home. And while you are at it, > avoid > New York City, Boston, Chicago, SF, London, Paris, > Munich, Tokyo........they all have speed cameras. > > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > Like I said, I'm no big fan of the problem, I just > > think in the catalog of > > all that ills the world, this is pretty far down > the > > list. If you get > > caught misbehaving in traffic, you take your lumps > > and move on. > > > > And, as Bill said, there's nothing in DC that's > not > > in NoVa, so you might as > > well stay home. Nothing besides art, culture, > > architecture, fine dining, > > music of all types, the zoo, world-class museums, > > professional sports, > > national monuments, the orchestra, ballet, opera, > > live theater out the > > wazoo.... Yep, no reason to cross that river at > > all. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave Yates" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:51 PM > > Subject: Re: Pissed at DC > > > > > > > Paul complained: > > > > > > > Oh please...this is really over the top. > > > > > > > > I'd not a big fan of automated enforcement, > but, > > the man *admitted* to > > > > driving 10-15 mph over the limit, didn't claim > > it was someone else, > > > > equipment malfunction, etc. Would there be > > similar spleen venting if a > > DC > > > > LEO had pulled him resulting in a higher fine, > > points, and insurance > > > > increase? We've been over this before and I > > suggest there are few > > places > > > in > > > > the District where it is either safe or > prudent > > to drive 10-15 over the > > > > limit. > > > > > > [Dave] C'mon Paul ! DC is the only > jurisdiction > > in America that has > > > publicly admitted they subsist on the radar > > cameras and red light cameras > > > and without them, their government wouldn't be > > able to operate (with the > > DC > > > Council, Mayor, staff and Grand Poohbah of the > DC > > MPD raking in 6 figure > > > salaries and be able to maintain their double > > digit percentage yearly > > > raises, limo service, armed detail, box seats at > > the MCI center and > > various > > > other perks). DC is the subject of news reports > > on the corrupt traffic > > > adjudication bureau every 6-9 months, be it for > > traffic tickets, or some > > > automated enforcement BS. This has been > covered > > in the past year and 1/2 > > > by NBC, FOX and CBS (if it's been on ABC, I > > haven't seen it yet). > > > > > > They're crooks, using the color of Cartman> > > "Authoritii" > > Cartman> to rob from the out of town rich and > give > > to they po selves... > > > > > > Over the top. SHYEAH > > > > > > > > > > And, if it *really* toasts your bagel so much, > > please stay away > > > > > > [Dave] So far, it looks like many of us have > > chosen this path in life... > > > > > > >, or drive > > > > the speed limit. There are too many hot-shoes > > driving around here > > > already, > > > > like the a-hole cabbie honking at me last > night > > on D St. because I > > wasn't > > > > going fast enough on a wet slush-covered > street > > for his taste. > > > > > > [Dave] As a true connoiseur of 'cabbie mayhem', > DC > > cabbies are Junior > > > varsity... Philly cabbies would take their > lunch > > ! > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. 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Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 11:30:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NGUPXo018109; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:30:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NGUO0v018099; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:30:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009101c2db58$caee1200$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <20030223160902.843.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:29:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ed08ebac6ec693ce5ce9a86a915651e0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Withrow reminded us: > Many people smoke crack in DC also, that does not make > it right. [Dave] I *saw* the tape, Marion Barry was SET_UP ! :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 11:38:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NGcxXo019183; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:38:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NGcxsO019175; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:38:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a401c2db59$fd9248b0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:38:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b756788a3ce803274d05947d53dacd02350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Mike C > > To do it other way round is what is happening now and joke. All it does > is raises > > revenues. > > [Dave] No, the targeted violators now are speeders, around 75%. > Tailgaters, left lane hogs, cell phone yakkers, and people who can't stand > waiting in line, cutting over at the last minute for an exit or turn, are > easy prey, and are neither targeted, nor paid attention to. > > > Whoopty ding Dave.........nobody pays attention to them > anyway..........why bother > > now ?? > > [Dave] Mike, that's the political reality, not fantasy. If you feel so > strongly, you compose your suggestions, and send them off to your delegate & > senator. While I don't agree with *ALL* of your suggestions, you form a > petition for it's passage, and I'll sign it. Not only that, I'll lobby to > have it signed. I'm telling you that you are tilting at windmills with this > approach, and not only will it make the driving public afraid they will lose > their "right to drive" (yeah, it's a privilege, bet people view it as a > right, correct or not), and the general assembly would be similarly > offended. If you want some improvement, you have to be willing to institute > changes gradually, and target the most eggregious aspects of the problem > 1st. > > > > > 1. Mandatory training every driver every 2 yrs. > > 2. Mandatory driving test on roads and highways (not parking lots) > > 3. Test all functions and phases of driving. City and highway. > > 4. Fail those who cannot demonstrate (90 % or better) the ability to > proficiently > > DRIVE. > > > > > > See Dave.............the diff between you and I is that I'm not afraid of > hurting > > peoples feelings when it come to driving in America. Your attitude is to > tell me the > > 10,000 ways I cannot do something. I'm here to tell you how it CAN be > done. > > > > Frankly my dear.........I don't care about being politically correct in > this > > clusterf%$k society. Lets get the job done and move on to REALLY more > important > > matters..............like surviving the next 10-20 yrs. of American > hatred that's > > growing worldwide because of our governments overseas policies. > > [Dave] hey... what's that dangling on that hook up there... Looks like... > bait?! Nah... not this time... > > Let me know when you've gotten responses from your delegate & senator, I'd > like to see them... > > Dave > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 11:46:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NGklXo022267; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:46:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NGkkFZ022247; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:46:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a701c2db5b$3a67e730$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <151.1c38df68.2b8a2d38@aol.com> <002101c2db4d$f1a45a40$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> <006501c2db51$c697b460$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> <007201c2db55$9f73e170$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> <008b01c2db58$883cdbd0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:45:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:46:39 -0600 > From: "Dave Yates" > [Dave] No, the targeted violators now are speeders, around 75%. > Tailgaters, left lane hogs, cell phone yakkers, and people who can't stand > waiting in line, cutting over at the last minute for an exit or turn, are > easy prey, and are neither targeted, nor paid attention to. THAT'S because these people were not trained in the FIRST place Dave. AND..............cops won't pull these people over for such bs. I repeat.............set the rules, instruct and (most important part) enforce them ALL the time........everywhere. Humans are the same everywhere, they will push the envelope all the time if they are allowed. Riding up 270 at 75-80mph with 2 Md. state troopers and 4 Montgomery Co. cops last week (yes 6 fully marked police cars) in a 55mph zone tought me that it's "OK" to break the law. DOH !!! > > Whoopty ding Dave.........nobody pays attention to them > > anyway..........why bother now ?? > > [Dave] Mike, that's the political reality, not fantasy. Sure Dave..............you just keep on believing that. I'll be over here dealing with the real issue........where it ALL starts: Ignorant and Incompetant American Drivers. 1. Mandatory training every driver every 2 yrs. 2. Mandatory driving test on roads and highways (not parking lots) 3. Test all functions and phases of driving. City and highway. 4. Fail those who cannot demonstrate (90 % or better) the ability to proficiently DRIVE. Mike Cecchini From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 11:46:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NGkmXo022282; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:46:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NGkmYD022278; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:46:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a801c2db5b$3b32ff60$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030223160902.843.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> <009101c2db58$caee1200$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:47:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:46:39 -0600 DOH !!! But it's because he was "dirty" in the first place. He was an idiot to get "set-up". MC **************************************** >From: "Dave Yates" > I *saw* the tape, Marion Barry was SET-UP ! :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 11:56:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NGuVXo026387; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:56:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NGuU8o026372; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:56:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ce01c2db5c$965bfbc0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <151.1c38df68.2b8a2d38@aol.com> <002101c2db4d$f1a45a40$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> <006501c2db51$c697b460$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> <007201c2db55$9f73e170$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> <008b01c2db58$883cdbd0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> <00a701c2db5b$3a67e730$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Subject: Pissed at DC-------Now Incompetant American Drivers Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:56:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:56:22 -0600 By the way...........DMV or MVA can initiate changes in the rules of testing for the "safety and well being of the public" at anytime they see fit. A sliding rule change that will not alarm or disturb the public (we wouldn't want to do that........would we) will start the elimination of incompetent drivers in America. It could easily be phased in over a 3-5 yr. period and have incredible results on our highways. Paying for all of this is easy. When you went for your test and the tester asked you for your $15-----$100 fee, what did you do ?? Did you stand there and argue the costs ?? Hell no............you paid up or got out of line. It's that easy. There were 5--100 people behind you ready willing and able to pay what ever it took to get their bs licenses. Again............don't tell me about how not to do this, tell me how to make it happen. 1. Mandatory training every driver every 2 yrs. 2. Mandatory driving test on roads and highways (not parking lots) 3. Test all functions and phases of driving. City and highway. 4. Fail those who cannot demonstrate (90 % or better) the ability to proficiently DRIVE. Mike Cecchini From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 15:43:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NKhSXo030579; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:43:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NKhRfh030569; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:43:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030223204325.57623.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:43:25 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <005501c2dae7$34a00cc0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Frist of all, its only a matter of time until those other jurisdictions use speed cameras. Please do not think Alexandria does not WANT them, they are just waiting for the right time. All govs want more money. And yeah, I know all about the guns made in your home town. I have one made there, and other of the same brand made in Itay. --- Dave Yates wrote: > Paul backpedals: > > > Like I said, I'm no big fan of the problem, I just > think in the catalog of > > all that ills the world, this is pretty far down > the list. If you get > > caught misbehaving in traffic, you take your lumps > and move on. > > [Dave] No, you don't "take your lumps" any more > than when the IRS calls & > says they want to review your taxes for the last 3 > years. You make the > government PROVE you were misbehaving. If you "take > your lumps" without so > much as complaining, you end up getting the > government you opted for by > doing nothing. So, if the "problem" is so far down > on the list, how come > there's always cops available to man the speed > traps, but the depressed > neighborhoods can't get a beat cop on patrol more > than once a week ? > .... well? DC could have 4 beat cops for > the price of Chief > Ramsey... And they would probably solve more > crimes too. > > > And, as Bill said, there's nothing in DC that's > not in NoVa, so you might > as > > well stay home. Nothing besides art, culture, > architecture, fine dining, > > music of all types, the zoo, world-class museums, > professional sports, > > national monuments, the orchestra, ballet, opera, > live theater out the > > wazoo.... Yep, no reason to cross that river at > all. > > [Dave] I'm just a country boy from Accokeek where > [Mark don't read this > section] they make guns [ok to resume > reading Mark] but even *I* > and my redneck family know that graffiti does not > count as "art or culture". > If a restaurant doesn't serve sweet tea & hog jowls, > it isn't fine dining by > any stretch, either. I'll give you the national > monuments, and there's > always my bank on Capitol hill... > > > Mark piled on with: > > Paul is too nice to say what we think here in DC. > Why > don't you fucking rednecks stay in Va or MD and > leave > the only slightly intersting place within 200 miles > (make that more like 800 miles if you are heading > south or west) to us who love it. > > [Dave] Why did you have to deliberately try to > escalate this into a flame > fest? It was a civil discussion between some > disagreeing parties until > you dumped this on the list - as evidenced by the > follow up messages. > > Also note that while Alexandria & Fairfax have red > light cameras, which I do > not like on principle, but I dislike red light > runners worse, DC is the only > area around which uses speed cameras, and they do it > for nothing more than > to make money, period. Your mayor testified to that > effect in front of the > DC council - it was on the news, WTOP, channels 4, > 5, 7 & 9... It was in the > Post & Times too. THAT is why we don't boycott > Alexandria. Further, > Alexandria steps up by posting street cops in Old > Town during afternoon > rush, suspending the 1 or 2 red light cameras during > the period the officer > directs traffic... > > Dave > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 15:48:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NKm0Xo032641; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:48:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NKm0lM032634; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:48:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030223204757.17849.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:47:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <002101c2db4d$f1a45a40$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You have pretty much described the European style of driver training, with the exception of 2 year updates. My financee had to take a very expensive and time consuming series of road and class room work. Behind the wheel training was serious. When it snowed, that was the time they purposely went out and practiced. Imagine that here. There are fast drivers in Europe, even bad ones. But most people have a minimum of training and experience driving in all conditions before they get a liscene. And the liscese is expensive, so there is a tremendous value there. --- "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > For sure John.... about riding slower than traffic. > Dead meat. > > But getting speed limits back to the original 80th > percentile of actual traffic > speeds ? Those days are gone because we don't have > trained drivers in this country. > What a joke. > > That's where it all starts if you stop and think > about it. 90% of our drivers don't > do what they are suppose to. When was the last time > you had someone pull over so > that you could get by ??? Anyone notice a slight > difference between driving > say..........Germany, Italy or Europe in general ?? > Just a slight difference. > > Since all of us have been clearly told that driving > is not a right..........but a > privilege.........I suggest the following be > implemented immediately. > > 1. Mandatory training every driver every 2 yrs. > 2. Mandatory driving test on roads and highways (not > parking lots) > 3. Test all functions and phases of driving. City > and highway. > 4. Fail those who cannot demonstrate (90 % or > better) the ability to proficiently > DRIVE. > > And................let the drivers fees pay for the > whole testing system. No new > taxes for those who do not drive. > > > That'll straighten things up in one hell-of-a hurry. > 70% of today's drivers could > not pass the above. > Traffic would not only be reduced by at least 50%, > but those driving would drive in > such a manner (European) that I doubt if there ever > would be another traffic jam news > worthy. > > > > Mike Cecchini > *************************************************** > > John Walters PenguinBiker@XXXXXX> > > Oh yea there is a brilliant idea. > > I just love traveling far slower then traffic on a > motorcycle, it is almost > > as much fun as Russian Roulette but you do not > need a gun permit. > > > > What is needed is not blind acceptance of bullshit > laws, but efforts to > > change them. When virtually _no one_ obeys the > speed limit the cure is not > > more enforcement but a more reasonable speed > limit. In addition these cameras > > are not about safety but profit. Local government > and (This is the obscene > > part) _private industry_ are in it for profit. > Period! > > ************************************************************************************* > > > From: SBave > > > Advice? > > > Don't speed??? > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 16:24:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NLOSXo002492; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:24:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NLOPE6002477; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:24:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00de01c2db81$dc477590$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <20030223204325.57623.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:23:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79273f1ca9d3bfa435ef6902805a4b2373350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Frist of all, its only a matter of time until those > other jurisdictions use speed cameras. Please do not > think Alexandria does not WANT them, they are just > waiting for the right time. All govs want more money. [Dave] Sure they want the cameras, be each year they're requested, for a new program or expansion, they're shot down in the G.A. by a wider & wider margin. And, for at least the last 2 years, they use DC as a warning for all to see in committee hearings. > > And yeah, I know all about the guns made in your home > town. I have one made there, and other of the same > brand made in Itay. [Dave] in DC ? > > > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Paul backpedals: > > > > > Like I said, I'm no big fan of the problem, I just > > think in the catalog of > > > all that ills the world, this is pretty far down > > the list. If you get > > > caught misbehaving in traffic, you take your lumps > > and move on. > > > > [Dave] No, you don't "take your lumps" any more > > than when the IRS calls & > > says they want to review your taxes for the last 3 > > years. You make the > > government PROVE you were misbehaving. If you "take > > your lumps" without so > > much as complaining, you end up getting the > > government you opted for by > > doing nothing. So, if the "problem" is so far down > > on the list, how come > > there's always cops available to man the speed > > traps, but the depressed > > neighborhoods can't get a beat cop on patrol more > > than once a week ? > > .... well? DC could have 4 beat cops for > > the price of Chief > > Ramsey... And they would probably solve more > > crimes too. > > > > > And, as Bill said, there's nothing in DC that's > > not in NoVa, so you might > > as > > > well stay home. Nothing besides art, culture, > > architecture, fine dining, > > > music of all types, the zoo, world-class museums, > > professional sports, > > > national monuments, the orchestra, ballet, opera, > > live theater out the > > > wazoo.... Yep, no reason to cross that river at > > all. > > > > [Dave] I'm just a country boy from Accokeek where > > [Mark don't read this > > section] they make guns [ok to resume > > reading Mark] but even *I* > > and my redneck family know that graffiti does not > > count as "art or culture". > > If a restaurant doesn't serve sweet tea & hog jowls, > > it isn't fine dining by > > any stretch, either. I'll give you the national > > monuments, and there's > > always my bank on Capitol hill... > > > > > > Mark piled on with: > > > > Paul is too nice to say what we think here in DC. > > Why > > don't you fucking rednecks stay in Va or MD and > > leave > > the only slightly intersting place within 200 miles > > (make that more like 800 miles if you are heading > > south or west) to us who love it. > > > > [Dave] Why did you have to deliberately try to > > escalate this into a flame > > fest? It was a civil discussion between some > > disagreeing parties until > > you dumped this on the list - as evidenced by the > > follow up messages. > > > > Also note that while Alexandria & Fairfax have red > > light cameras, which I do > > not like on principle, but I dislike red light > > runners worse, DC is the only > > area around which uses speed cameras, and they do it > > for nothing more than > > to make money, period. Your mayor testified to that > > effect in front of the > > DC council - it was on the news, WTOP, channels 4, > > 5, 7 & 9... It was in the > > Post & Times too. THAT is why we don't boycott > > Alexandria. Further, > > Alexandria steps up by posting street cops in Old > > Town during afternoon > > rush, suspending the 1 or 2 red light cameras during > > the period the officer > > directs traffic... > > > > Dave > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 17:19:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NMJ7Xo005915; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:19:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NMJ62s005905; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:19:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016701c2db89$a7eced40$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Mark Kitchell" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <20030223204757.17849.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:17:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:18:59 -0600 Sure it's a pain in the ass, expensive and time consuming. But it's called "saving lives". That's what it's really all about. So, it's dam well worth it. And guess what.............it works !!! Mike ********************************************************* From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Michael R. Cecchini" > You have pretty much described the European style of > driver training, with the exception of 2 year updates. > My financee had to take a very expensive and time > consuming series of road and class room work. Behind > the wheel training was serious. When it snowed, that > was the time they purposely went out and practiced. > Imagine that here. > > There are fast drivers in Europe, even bad ones. But > most people have a minimum of training and experience > driving in all conditions before they get a liscene. > And the liscese is expensive, so there is a tremendous > value there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 18:01:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NN17Xo008207; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:01:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NN16Re008197; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:01:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003301c2db8f$7b428b00$32662c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "Dave Yates" , References: <20030223204325.57623.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:01:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Frist, first. ;-) I shouldn't have put the Majority Leader's name in my spell check dictionary. Anyhoo, there's hardly a government large or small that hasn't done something objectionable (to me) at one time or another. Virginia, Land of the Overly Broad Reckless Driving Statute, and jail time for same, comes to mind. This is the Commonwealth that also steadfastly refuses to repeal its "crimes against nature" statute whenever it comes up for a vote. But would I not ride there, visit there, spend money there just because of few things like that? No. Smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face. BTW, if you hate speed cams, you'd better not ride in the UK. They're all over the place on the motorways. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Dave Yates" ; Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Pissed at DC > Frist of all, its only a matter of time until those > other jurisdictions use speed cameras. Please do not > think Alexandria does not WANT them, they are just > waiting for the right time. All govs want more money. > > And yeah, I know all about the guns made in your home > town. I have one made there, and other of the same > brand made in Itay. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 18:46:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1NNkrXo010427; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:46:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1NNkq5l010417; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:46:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00f601c2db95$c215bdd0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <20030223204325.57623.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> <003301c2db8f$7b428b00$32662c42@D7XFG711> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:46:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec796844214a23c652b50e4dfc94d8ca21c7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Elephant fingers Paul Pounded the keyboard: > Frist, first. ;-) I shouldn't have put the Majority Leader's name in my > spell check dictionary. Anyhoo, there's hardly a government large or small > that hasn't done something objectionable (to me) at one time or another. > Virginia, Land of the Overly Broad Reckless Driving Statute, and jail time > for same, comes to mind. This is the Commonwealth that also steadfastly > refuses to repeal its "crimes against nature" statute whenever it comes up > for a vote. [Dave] Too bad our Reckless statute doesn't affirmatively include talking on an electronic communication device... And very few people end up doing time for reckless or speeding excessively here in the O.D. ; I know personally a guy who was written his 3rd reckless ticket for 90 coming on to the beltway off 50. That time they actually DID ask for jail time, but his bottom fee^H er.. Lawyer got it pleaded down to a 10 day administrative suspension by the (Fairfax) court, and driving probation for 6 months. I think they asked for 2 weeks or a month in the grey bar hotel... And what's the big deal for crimes against nature? Who wants to come home and bust their neighbor boffing "Fluffy" ? > BTW, if you hate speed cams, you'd better not ride in the UK. They're all > over the place on the motorways. [Dave] *JUST* out of curiosity, what would happen were an American travel to the UK, flaunt the traffic law, and go home? Sans paying for their crimes ? Mr. Wilson, this is Interpol... You're wanted for wanton disregard of our traffic laws ! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 20:00:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1O10VXo016837; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:00:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1O10RuT016827; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:00:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E596E77.D13628AF@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:59:35 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pissed at DC References: <20030223204325.57623.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> <003301c2db8f$7b428b00$32662c42@D7XFG711> <00f601c2db95$c215bdd0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > > And what's the big deal for crimes against nature? Who wants to come home and > bust > their neighbor boffing "Fluffy" ? The big deal? Oral sex is included in Virginia's law, and being married does not excuse one from arrest and prosecution for engaging in same with one's spouse. A class 6 felony - up to a $5,000 fine and/or 5 years in the slammer. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 20:57:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1O1vHXo019162; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:57:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1O1vHKk019152; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:57:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:57:12 -0500 From: Randy Moran Subject: Got a new bike, so an old one's for sale To: DC Cycles Message-id: <4A4CD2D4-479B-11D7-AB77-000393ADC3E6@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Well, not that old, really. I signed the papers on an '03 RC51 over the weekend. Unfortunately for me, this means the beloved SV has to go. It's a bone-stock, blue 2000 Suzuki SV650 with 12,700 miles on the odometer. It runs perfectly, and is in perfect shape cosmetically. It has never been dropped, crashed, scuffed or scraped in any way. It has always been garaged. The tires are good, the oil is fresh and it's for sale for $4000, or best offer. I live close to Aldie, Va, at the foot of Bull Run Mountain. I have clear title and all of the documentation the came with the bike (Manuals, etc.). Email me if you're interested, or call 703.754.7974. Thanks for your time, and now back to your regular programming. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 22:52:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1O3q1Xo022931; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:52:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1O3q0jW022919; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:52:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "stephen" To: Subject: Multiple digests Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:55:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200302240000.h1O001cZ012523@dirty.meretrix.com> Hi: I've tried emailing this to the supposedly 'human read' dc-cycle-request and dc-cycle-digest-request list several times, but to no avail, so I'm now, very apologeticly, posting this to the list... I'm receiving two digest messages every time one goes out. They come in between two and ten minutes apart. I've tried unsubscribing, and then resubscribing to both the undigested and the digested list a few times to see if that would get it to go away without human intervention. Now, I'm getting a wee bit frustrated with it after more than a month, and the lack of human-intervention from my postings to the dc-cycle-request list with subject headings like "HUMAN INTERVENTION REQUESTED" etc.. So that we don't go through this again on the list, is there another (administrative) email address that we can post somewhere that is REALLY read by a human? Thanks, Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 23 22:52:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1O3q6Xo022973; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:52:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1O3q6Hq022958; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:52:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E599827.70F14370@carlparker.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:57:27 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weather PMSing, was Re: Pissed at DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Getting a ticket by an some fookin' automated machine sucks, esp. if we all know it's just for money. How someone reacts to that is a personal thing. Looks like a good ol' mud' tossin' match. Betchya it'll get nice and friendly soon'z we get some better weather. Give it a couple more weeks fellas. No need to bash each other cuzza' cabin fever. Sorry about the ticket, I hate these things too. Do what you feel is necessary, but don't let it drag your ass when you're awake, or asleep for that matter. Ther'r so many other things to do and appreciate! I think Benjamin Franklin once said something like, "Time is what your life is made up of, so don't waste time!" Paz, Carl Parker ------------------------- 82' Mag v45 - "Mystery Ship" 82' Mag v45 - "Parts Biaatch" ------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 05:46:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OAk1Xo031971; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 05:46:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OAk0en031959; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 05:46:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:34:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2003 10:34:38.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[55403360:01C2DBF0] >Mark Kitchell wrote: >Why >don't you fucking rednecks stay in Va or MD and leave >the only slightly intersting place within 200 miles >(make that more like 800 miles if you are heading >south or west) to us who love it. If you really feel that strongly about this area... leave, we could use the parking space. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 05:52:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OAq4Xo001798; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 05:52:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OAq4EV001783; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 05:52:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:51:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2003 10:51:56.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFEC7AF0:01C2DBF2] >But getting speed limits back to the original 80th percentile of >actual >traffic >speeds ? Those days are gone because we don't have trained drivers in > >this country. What a joke. I have a theory... those who do the speed limit are... 1)enjoying themselves behind the wheel of their merry automobile. 2) law abiding people who actually believe that by observing code they are preventing accidents. 3) Illegal aliens who do not want to get caught and sent packing to their country of origin 4) Parole violaters 5) Blueheads 6) Unlicensed and/or uninsured motorists 7) Drunks making their way back from the taproom _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 05:58:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OAwuXo004007; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 05:58:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OAwuuo003998; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 05:58:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:46:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2003 10:46:58.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DEF9990:01C2DBF2] >Redneck? Now that is funny. Do you even know the meaning of the word? >Your credibility goes right out the window when you resort to insult. >Redneck, Hee Hee. Test time... Commonly held belief: Sunburned neck of a farmer (plowboy to you "northerners." (most idiot talking heads (of ALL ethnic groups) refer to this as the "factual" basis for the slang, however... Historical reference: Coined during a West Virginia miners strike, whereby the strikers wore red bandannas around there necks as a sort of uniform item. The miners held off the U.S. Army for several days, protesting low wages, terrible conditions etc... Anyone remember the President who ordered them in... I'm guessing Cooledge but it might have been Hoover. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 09:24:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OEOCXo007765; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:24:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OEO9Hw007755; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:24:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ba01c2dc10$a15847e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Parker" , "dc-cycles list" References: <3E599827.70F14370@carlparker.com> Subject: Re: Weather PMSing, was Re: Pissed at DC Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:25:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yep, Carl, well said. Let's focus on what's important and not life's little vexations. Important - riding to Florida on Saturday Unimportant, but vexing - going to DMV to get the other bike inspected before I leave. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Parker" .... > > Sorry about the ticket, I hate these things too. Do what you feel is > necessary, but don't let it drag your ass when you're awake, or asleep > for that matter. Ther'r so many other things to do and appreciate! I > think Benjamin Franklin once said something like, "Time is what your > life is made up of, so don't waste time!" > > Paz, > Carl Parker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 09:32:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OEWjXo008859; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:32:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OEWiY4008849; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:32:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <61.2e052dfd.2b8b86fe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:32:30 EST Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/23/2003 10:11:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, mrc.engr@XXXXXX writes: > That'll straighten things up in one hell-of-a hurry. 70% of today's drivers > could > not pass the above. I have been recommending for longer then many reading this have been alive (OK only 1/3 to 1/2 failure rate.) Let me point out another HUGE advantage to this. Thousands would need to use public transportation making it, for the first time, practical and cost effective. And like New York City many of those who could drive would not feel the need, preferring to use public transportation, further reducing the load on out highways. BTW I remember when the speed limit on _rural_ 2 lane (and I mean 2 lane, one going one way one going the other.) _undivided_ highways was _70_! 140mph closing speed, and no one thought anything of it. Is it any wonder I think 50 on a multi lane divided expressway is utterly ridiculous. Oh yea the cars themselves were no were near as safe as they are now much less the bikes. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 09:35:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OEZPXo009934; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:35:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OEZOew009924; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:35:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e7.2e80b13.2b8b87a0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:35:12 EST Subject: Re: SafeLight Camera Locations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/23/2003 10:21:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, mrc.engr@XXXXXX writes: > Charlotte advertises it's photo radar and red light cameras. Oh great! How to "tax" out of towners without pissing off the locals. It is such bullshit. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 09:46:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OEkrXo012077; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:46:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OEkrkM012067; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:46:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005f01c2dc13$a4764960$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <1e7.2e80b13.2b8b87a0@aol.com> Subject: Re: SafeLight Camera Locations Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:47:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.156.141.219] at Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:46:40 -0600 doh !!! Mike ********************************************* > From: > Oh great! How to "tax" out of towners without pissing off the locals. > It is such bullshit. ***************************************************************** > mrc.engr@XXXXXX writes: > Charlotte advertises it's photo radar and red light cameras. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 09:51:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OEpxXo014207; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:51:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OEpw3s014197; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:51:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224145156.77563.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 06:51:56 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <61.2e052dfd.2b8b86fe@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just to play devil's advocate: How do you propose that, until the nation gets a more comprehensive public transportation infrastructure built, these 70% of drivers actually get to work once their licenses are revoked? How do you propose to fight the inevitable economic collapse caused by a 70% unemployment rate? Even if this were spread out over the course of a decade, you're still talking a huge economic impact. What we need is a president (no one else would have enough clout) who is committed to make public transportation better, driver licensing tougher, traffic laws less ridiculous, and frivolous lawsuits illegal*. Odds of this EVER happening? Minute. So what CAN we realistically do? Complain uselessly, and that's what we're doing. :^) Chris Weaver * This last item is simply a "rider" I'm throwing into this hypothetical bill before congress. Everyone else will throw them in, why can't I? :^P --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Thousands would need to use public > transportation making it, for the > first time, practical and cost effective. And like > New York City many of > those who could drive would not feel the need, > preferring to use public > transportation, further reducing the load on out > highways. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 09:55:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OEtgXo016439; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:55:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OEtfq8016431; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:55:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007601c2dc14$e2a165c0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <61.2e052dfd.2b8b86fe@aol.com> Subject: Re: Pissed at DC Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:55:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.156.138.223] at Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:55:34 -0600 Well...............that's all well and good, but I'm one of these guys that deals with the issue at hand directly. I believe that if you do the right thing in the first place........ all the undesirable 100,000,000 impacts will take care of themselves, no matter what they are. I've seen the "ban-aid" approach long enough to know that it's not what should be done and mostly it's an excuse not to do what should have been done in the first place. Kinda like our Governments. The bottom line: If people die because I choose to help the poor, feed the animals and raise a good family then those people are just gonna die. It's just that simple. So........... 1. Mandatory training every driver every 2 yrs. 2. Mandatory driving test on roads and highways (not parking lots) 3. Test all functions and phases of driving. City and highway. 4. Fail those who cannot demonstrate (90 % or better) the ability to proficiently DRIVE. Mike Cecchini ******************************************************* >From: > > I have been recommending for longer then many reading this have been alive > (OK only 1/3 to 1/2 failure rate.) Let me point out another HUGE advantage to > this. Thousands would need to use public transportation making it, for the > first time, practical and cost effective. And like New York City many of > those who could drive would not feel the need, preferring to use public > transportation, further reducing the load on out highways. > > BTW I remember when the speed limit on _rural_ 2 lane (and I mean 2 lane, one > going one way one going the other.) _undivided_ highways was _70_! 140mph > closing speed, and no one thought anything of it. Is it any wonder I think 50 > on a multi lane divided expressway is utterly ridiculous. > Oh yea the cars themselves were no were near as safe as they are now much > less the bikes. > John Walters From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 09:58:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OEwTXo018550; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:58:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OEwT3O018540; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:58:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224145827.55896.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 06:58:27 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030222231149.85102.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is priceless. Glenn --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Paul is too nice to say what we think here in DC. > Why > don't you fucking rednecks stay in Va or MD and > leave > the only slightly intersting place within 200 miles > (make that more like 800 miles if you are heading > south or west) to us who love it. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 09:59:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OExKXo018604; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:59:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OExJPJ018599; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:59:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <78.391e203c.2b8b8d40@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:59:12 EST Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/23/2003 10:22:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, SBave writes: > But if I get caught I don't plan on making such a fuss over something I knew > I was doing wrong whether I agree with it or not. I fully understand what you are saying BUT! The key phrase here is "I knew I was doing _wrong_" What I was doing was _not_ wrong! It was arguably illegal, but illegal and wrong are two _very_ different things. I was riding in a safe manner, in fact riding at the "speed limit" would have placed me in mortal danger, literally risking my life. To ticket me for protecting myself was/is wrong! As I stated I truly do not believe an honest informed police officer would have even thought about giving me a ticket in that situation. I am truly frightened by the number of Americans who cannot understand the difference between illegal, immoral, unethical. Or for that matter legal and safe. It is quite possible for something to be perfectly legal and utterly immoral, slavery comes to mind. Speed traps are legal, but they are utterly unethical. Lets not even start to talk about how many things are illegal but safe, or dangerous but legal. (Years ago the Governor of Georgia had billboards put up on the roads going into a small town that stated that the town was a speed trap "dont get caught in a speed trap, dont get caught in a clip joint." He had to post armed highway patrolmen under the signs to prevent the locals from tearing them down. The trap was technically legal, the Governor could do nothing about it, except post a warning.) There was actually an anti drug (I think drug, it was anti something) that said "Such and such is addictive _because_ it is illegal" It said it! On TV! Following that advice one could remove the addictive properties by simply legalizing it. Morons. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 10:02:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OF2EXo022784; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:02:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OF2E94022778; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:02:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200302241502.QDV22690@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:02:22 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris further chummed the waters with: >Just to play devil's advocate: > >How do you propose that, until the nation gets a more >comprehensive public transportation infrastructure >built, these 70% of drivers actually get to work once >their licenses are revoked? How do you propose to >fight the inevitable economic collapse caused by a 70% >unemployment rate? Even if this were spread out over >the course of a decade, you're still talking a huge >economic impact. > >What we need is a president (no one else would have >enough clout) who is committed to make public >transportation better, driver licensing tougher, >traffic laws less ridiculous, and frivolous lawsuits >illegal*. Odds of this EVER happening? Minute. [Dave] You're just telling John ( and Mike ) "10,000 ways it can't be done" ;-) I'm hoping Mike will put that letter together for all those who are in favor to sign so we can get those tough new "common sense car control laws" enacted ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 10:05:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OF5lXo024892; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:05:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OF5l3c024882; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:05:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009001c2dc16$4b95b990$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030224145156.77563.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:04:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [141.156.138.223] at Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:05:39 -0600 >From: "Chris Weaver" > Just to play devil's advocate: > > How do you propose that, until the nation gets a more > comprehensive public transportation infrastructure > built, these 70% of drivers actually get to work once > their licenses are revoked? How do you propose to > fight the inevitable economic collapse caused by a 70% > unemployment rate? Even if this were spread out over > the course of a decade, you're still talking a huge > economic impact. The same way my father did..............he walked. I'm sorry..............no actually I'm not..............if your brother or my mother cannot drive a vehicle. Get with the program or get a bicycle. It's just that simple. Driving is not that hard, especially if you STAY in the right lane (which is 50% of our problem). > What we need is a president (no one else would have > enough clout) who is committed to make public > transportation better, driver licensing tougher, > traffic laws less ridiculous, and frivolous lawsuits > illegal*. Odds of this EVER happening? Minute. "WE" the people need to make this happen..........and not look to someone else to sove OUR problems. We just don't care enough. > So what CAN we realistically do? Complain uselessly, > and that's what we're doing. :^) Chris Weaver Nope................get off your butt and DO something about it. Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 10:10:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OFAYXo027063; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:10:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OFAYX9027053; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:10:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <33.348415bb.2b8b8fe2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:10:26 EST Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/23/2003 11:47:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, mrc.engr@XXXXXX writes: > Riding up 270 at 75-80mph with 2 Md. > state troopers and 4 Montgomery Co. cops last week (yes 6 fully marked > police cars) > in a 55mph zone tought me that it's "OK" to break the law. DOH !!! I have seen a lot of cops where I got my ticket, not one of them was going anywhere near the limit. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 10:11:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OFBaXo027117; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:11:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OFBZZk027107; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:11:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224151133.12991.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:11:33 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030224145827.55896.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you! --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > This is priceless. > > Glenn > > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Paul is too nice to say what we think here in DC. > > Why > > don't you fucking rednecks stay in Va or MD and > > leave > > the only slightly intersting place within 200 > miles > > (make that more like 800 miles if you are heading > > south or west) to us who love it. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 10:15:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OFFkXo030242; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:15:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OFFkIX030232; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:15:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200302241515.QDV24332@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:15:49 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John adds: >I fully understand what you are saying BUT! The key phrase here is "I knew I >was doing _wrong_" >What I was doing was _not_ wrong! It was arguably illegal [Dave] You make a good point; If the average speed on the roadway is more than a certain percentage higher than the posted speed limit, and I don't know the exact number, you may be able to make a claim that the most recent engineering study - if they've even bothered - doesn't support the artificially low limit, thereby rendering the speed limits in violation of the "MUTCD" ( manual of uniform traffic control devices ). NMA puts out stories of member court victories in every news letter, & I've read member reports in which they've been successful or gotten the prosecutor to drop charges. The main issue with this approach is your dedication to winning. You'll have to obtain the latest engineering study, have it gone over, etc... Also, this is photo _ radar _ right ? this was on a Motorcycle right ? What was the proximity of traffic relative to the bike, and the approximate distance for the camera / radar from the vehicle? If it was far enough, the angle of the beam should've been reflective of the largest mass in the swath of the beam, meaning if there was _any_other vehicle close, the speed reading should belong to the other, larger mass vehicle... Even if the vehicle is ahead of you... You mentioned it wasn't safe to go slower... For a prepared citizen, radar tickets are very beatable in court, for the unprepared (95%), they're not so beatable... HTH Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 10:20:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OFKhXo032361; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:20:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OFKgNS032351; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:20:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224152040.31649.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:20:40 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030224151133.12991.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please don't take it as a compliment. It just shows your ignorance. Glenn --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Thank you! > > > --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > This is priceless. > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Paul is too nice to say what we think here in > DC. > > > Why > > > don't you fucking rednecks stay in Va or MD and > > > leave > > > the only slightly intersting place within 200 > > miles > > > (make that more like 800 miles if you are > heading > > > south or west) to us who love it. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 10:22:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OFMBXo003049; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:22:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OFMAcg003039; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:22:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5A386D.AFA439F8@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:21:17 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pissed at DC References: <61.2e052dfd.2b8b86fe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > BTW I remember when the speed limit on _rural_ 2 lane (and I mean 2 lane, one > going one way one going the other.) _undivided_ highways was _70_! 140mph > closing speed, and no one thought anything of it. Is it any wonder I think 50 > on a multi lane divided expressway is utterly ridiculous. > Oh yea the cars themselves were no were near as safe as they are now much > less the bikes. Yep. I was in MI when I got my permit - two-lane roads, 65 day, 55 at night. The signs were cute flip-flops that read 55 when blasted with headlights and 65 in daylight. And one could get a "scooter" permit at age 14! Sounded rather tame until you saw *tweaked* Cushman Silver Eagle blast down the road at 70 MPH, knowing they had POS brakes that were less effective than wet bicycle brakes. Oh yeah, no helmets. Riding gear was shorts, t-shirt, and Chuck Taylors. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 10:37:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OFbeXo006246; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:37:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OFbdAA006236; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:37:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <38.3613c4ae.2b8b9634@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:37:24 EST Subject: Re: Weather PMSing, was Re: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/23/2003 10:52:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, carl@XXXXXX writes: > Betchya it'll get nice and > friendly soon'z we get some better weather. Give it a couple more > weeks fellas. No need to bash each other cuzza' cabin fever. Cabin fever? If I was not riding, I would not have gotten a ticket. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 10:47:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OFljXo008401; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:47:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OFlixp008394; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:47:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <149.b4b240b.2b8b988f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:47:27 EST Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/24/2003 10:22:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > two-lane roads, 65 day, 55 at night. > The signs were cute flip-flops that read 55 when blasted with headlights They were cute signs, and I remember them. Actually 70 day 65 night (FL.) _And_ the truck speed limit was 55! even when the car limit was 70. So to "compensate" the trucking firms for the "loss" of speed the federales required the states to allow for higher load limits and at least limited use of double bottoms. Of course the trucks never paid any attention to the limits anyhow. So now the speed limits have gone up. Did the load limits come down? No. Are they still using double bottoms? Yes. Did the trucking industry get one hell of a windfall? Hell yes. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 11:08:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OG8cXo010604; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:08:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OG8bF3010594; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:08:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224160831.95848.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:08:31 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <009001c2dc16$4b95b990$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What do you suggest I do about inadequate public transportation, bad licensing rules and poor traffic laws and enforcement? Please don't offer protest marches or letter writing. Those will be laughed at by "public service officials" who: A: receive millions from oil companies, unions and numerous other groups with a stake in keeping the status quo. B: are also listening to other individual citizens who might have a problem with you wanting to take their licenses away and make them jam themselves into a sardine can with thousands of other stinking humans for two hours each day. Do you think politicians want to alienate 70% of their constituency? C: rely on the money they get from perpetuating poor traffic laws and enforcement. I am NOT going to try commuting from Ashburn to Arlington via bicycle. Nor are the other thousands of 1+ hour commuters in this area. I've tried buses and they're more expensive than driving myself. Metro doesn't come out to Dulles and if it did, it too would be more expensive than driving. Chris Weaver --- "Michael R. Cecchini" > Nope................get off your butt and DO > something about it. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 11:17:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OGHDXo012751; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:17:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OGHCeh012736; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:17:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002101c2dc20$5dc5bf20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Chris Weaver" , , "dc-cycles list" References: <20030224145156.77563.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Better Licensing Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:14:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" > > What we need is a president (no one else would have > enough clout) who is committed to make public > transportation better, driver licensing tougher, > traffic laws less ridiculous, and frivolous lawsuits > illegal*. Odds of this EVER happening? Minute. > > So what CAN we realistically do? Complain uselessly, > and that's what we're doing. :^) > > Chris Weaver > This seems to me is the nub of the issue. For far too long the "safety advocates" have approached highway safety as a product and infrastructure design problem. Granted vehicle and highway design are part of a holistic approach, but our licensing system is woefully out of step with the progress made in these areas. We by and large still view driver licensing as a teenage rite of passage. Let's just say when I head for the airport I'm glad we don't train pilots this way. The Joan Claybrooks and Ralph Naders of the world have misled the public into believing that "defective" products are the primary cause of death and maiming on the highways. Example, the media circus surrounding the Ford Explorer. So the focus is how to make vehicles better rolling fortresses, instead of delving into improved driver training and tougher licensing. For example, how many of the deaths and injuries from Explorer "tire failures" could have been prevented through better driver training and attention to simple vehicle maintenance tasks like maintaining correct tire pressure? Added to that, we engage in very spotty and ineffective attempts to regulate driver behavior in a punitive, reactive fashion. Don't do this, don't do that, but if you do get caught thank you very much for your "contribution" to the treasury. Now the latest fad being pushed by the highway lobby is smart highway design and intelligent vehicles, to be generously underwritten with oodles of taxpayer boodle, naturally, and increased vehicle purchase price. I submit a vehicle will only ever be as "smart" as the pilot and that highway safety will always be governed by the worst driver on the road unless we go to a completely automated system. Product design and "smart" vehicles kind of leave the motorcyclist out in the cold as well. For us the "rolling fortress" has never been a realistic solution. We have to rely on skill and judgment. I'm all for tougher licensing, better training and mandatory periodic updates (real behind-the-wheel training, not "charm schools.") Unfortunately I just don't see it happening for a motoring public that doesn't view itself as part of the problem. It's always the "other guy" that's making the highways dangerous. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 12:16:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OHGPXo016171; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:16:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OHGOhW016161; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:16:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224171617.99333.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:16:17 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: To: Adam Wah , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Adam Wah wrote: > >But getting speed limits back to the original 80th > percentile of >actual > >traffic > >speeds ? Those days are gone because we don't have > trained drivers in > > >this country. What a joke. > > > > I have a theory... those who do the speed limit > are... 1)enjoying themselves > behind the wheel of their merry automobile. Yes, but they fail to remain in their lane. >2) law abiding people who actually believe that by >observing code they are preventing accidents. Correct. >3)Illegal aliens who do not want to get caught and > sent packing to their country of origin Nope, they speed too. >4) Parole violaters Nope, them too. >5) Blueheads Generally correct. > 6) Unlicensed and/or uninsured motorists Nope, how do you think they lost their license in the first place? >7) Drunks making their way back from the taproom They are usually below the speed limit, weaving, stopping way before the light or past it or oblivious to it. etc., etc. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 12:36:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OHa4Xo022401; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:36:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OHa3Lc022391; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:36:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224173555.53546.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:35:55 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) To: Chris Weaver , "Michael R. Cecchini" , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030224160831.95848.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: >> I am NOT going to try commuting from Ashburn to > Arlington via bicycle. Nor are the other thousands > of > 1+ hour commuters in this area. Going down the W&OD trail by bicycle would probably get you there in less than an hour. :) ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 12:39:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OHdiXo024519; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:39:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OHdiwv024513; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:39:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224173936.33096.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:39:36 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030224173555.53546.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ever tried it? The distance in the car about 30 miles (I think I'm being conservative here too). Think I can maintain 30mph on a bicycle? I'd guess more like two to three hours AT LEAST. Chris --- Todd Withrow wrote: > Going down the W&OD trail by bicycle would probably > get you there in less than an hour. :) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 12:59:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OHxYXo026798; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:59:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OHxXd9026788; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:59:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224175926.94581.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:59:26 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) To: Chris Weaver , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030224173936.33096.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, it IS downhill to Arlington, two hours getting home maybe. :^) Todd --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Ever tried it? The distance in the car about 30 > miles > (I think I'm being conservative here too). Think I > can > maintain 30mph on a bicycle? I'd guess more like two > to three hours AT LEAST. > > Chris > > --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > Going down the W&OD trail by bicycle would > probably > > get you there in less than an hour. :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 13:04:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OI4CXo028955; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:04:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OI4BXZ028946; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:04:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016e01c2dc2f$50dc8c80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Chris Weaver" , "DC Cycles" References: <20030224173936.33096.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:05:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Ashburn is about MP 27 on the W&OD. Never tried to commute on it, but maintaining 15mph average is tough to impossible on a weekend. I've bicycled to work here in Old Town Alex. from Capitol Hill (about 8-9 miles) and it took me about 40 minutes door-to-door. I had city streets slowing me down during the first three miles and toward the end, but it moved along at a good clip once you hit the Mt. Vernon trail, which is mercifully free of dog walkers, skaters and whatnot during morning commute hours. The trail became much better after they built the flyovers at the airport. In nice weather, evening commute is a different story with all the daisy-pickers out and it could be slow going. What part of "keep right" do these people not understand? Bicycle-wise I've pretty much given up on Va. for pleasure rides out of the city. Md. is much better, esp. Macarthur Blvd., but I pretty much avoid bike trails as they are unsuitable for all but the slowest recreational riders. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) > Ever tried it? The distance in the car about 30 miles > (I think I'm being conservative here too). Think I can > maintain 30mph on a bicycle? I'd guess more like two > to three hours AT LEAST. > > Chris > > --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > Going down the W&OD trail by bicycle would probably > > get you there in less than an hour. :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 13:11:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OIBOXo031115; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:11:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OIBONo031105; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:11:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: best place to find used bikes? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:00:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2003 18:00:08.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[918E65B0:01C2DC2E] Where's the best place to find used bikes? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 13:11:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OIBgXo032317; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:11:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OIBgrd032312; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:11:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:11:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) In-Reply-To: <20030224175926.94581.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Todd Withrow wrote: > > Well, it IS downhill to Arlington, two hours getting > home maybe. :^) http://www.wodfriends.org/mileage.html There's the milage chart. Arlington to Ashburn is around 25 miles. If you hauled ass, and didn't get stuck behind any strollers, dog walkers and the like, had a tail wind and your first name was Lance, you could easily make it in an hour. I do note that Arlington to Reston, which is my daily commute, is a fairly reasonable hour long ride. Too bad I can't (legally) take the VFR on the trail. I'm only about a block away from the trail at both ends of the commute. I still maintain that the W&OD is /the/ perfect place for a rail based public transport system. Or, rather... was. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 13:13:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OID1Xo002800; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:13:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OID0KS002793; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:13:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: paging Rob Curtis Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:01:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2003 18:01:26.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFCAF1F0:01C2DC2E] Rob if you're still on the list could you email me? I was wondering how the SV650S compares to the Seca II? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 13:18:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OIIHXo007430; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:18:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OIIHJB007416; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:18:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224181809.10608.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:18:09 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Bicycle travel time from Assburn to Arlington (was Re: Better Licensing) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030224173936.33096.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii data point. From Springfield, VA (Braddoc and Backlick road just inside the beltway) to Herndon old town was 80 minutes each way. The route was not precisely direct but go north up Annandale Road from Braddock, to Graham. I picked up the WO&D at the point just shy of where it crosses from S to N over I-66 (when west bound) and where the trail crosses a road off of US29 at a bizare angle where all sorts of warnings and stops signs are posted lest the bikers ignore them and get hit by cars with poor visibility coming around the corners. Basically somewhere near GreatFalls St. I wasn't in the best of shape and might have been able to shave 10 minutes off the leg but even so, he's looking at a min 90 min ride each way. It makes FAR better sense to ride the bus and train from out there if caging or mc's are out of the question. My commute by MC was about 45 minutes on a typical day and I took some fun roads instead trying to slog my way thru 495 and 66. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 13:23:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OINrXo013687; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:23:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OINrVJ013677; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:23:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000201c2dc32$0eb4ca40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "rich hall" , "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:22:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I've bought three used bikes in the past four years and they came from the following sources: Cycletrader.com, Washington Post classifieds, eBay. If you're interested in a particular model, lurk on a model specific email list. Used VFRs (usually lovingly maintained) come up all the time on the VFR lists. HTH, Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich hall" To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:00 PM Subject: best place to find used bikes? > Where's the best place to find used bikes? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 13:30:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OIU1Xo015918; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:30:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OIU05O015894; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:30:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224182922.31599.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:29:22 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <016e01c2dc2f$50dc8c80$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii for 4 years I rode from 3.2 miles south of Huntington Metro to Crystal Gateway (northern most end of Crystal City) and the distance was 12.5 miles and took 40 to 45 minutes. Max observed average speed (which included waiting for stop lights) was 19.2mph and I was a flaming lunatic when riding like that. Most days I was very happy with myself if I got 18.1 mph average and that's when pedestrians cooperated. > a good clip once you hit the Mt. Vernon trail, which is mercifully > free of > dog walkers, skaters and whatnot during morning commute hours. up yon north it might be. Down south of the airport and between old town traffic is rather worse. There were a number of days I seriously played with the notion of getting on the GWPKY and hammering for all I was worth. > became much better after they built the flyovers at the airport. Aw shucks. It was great trying to time your approach to miss the flying cabbies... > and it could be slow going. What part of "keep right" do these > people not > understand? I think I developed my MSF range-voice largely due to my "on your left! damn it RIGHT!!" The trail regulars were good about it even when conditions forced a pass with mere inches to spare. Here in chicagoland there are lots of bike trails apparently (the rails to trails thing started here) but I haven't found one that is paved as yet. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 13:31:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OIVxXo018050; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:31:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OIVxIL018042; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:31:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013901c2dc33$1a502ce0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030224171617.99333.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:31:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.156.138.223] at Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:31:51 -0600 Which is at least 50% of the problem !!! Mike *************************************************** >From: "Todd Withrow" > --- Adam Wah wrote: > > I have a theory... those who do the speed limit > > are... 1)enjoying themselves > > behind the wheel of their merry automobile. > > Yes, but they fail to remain in their lane. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 13:34:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OIY9Xo020190; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:34:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OIY9fo020182; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:34:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: richallmc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:22:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2003 18:22:57.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[C159A0E0:01C2DC31] Don't know if they are the best, but these two are a start: 1. Friday's Washington Post Sports section, near the back. 2. Call Dave or Ryan at CAD Cycles in Gaithersburg, they usually have a decent selection. 301-977-7188 YMMV Rob '98 VFR800 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: best place to find used bikes? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:00:08 -0500 Where's the best place to find used bikes? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 13:36:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OIatXo022347; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:36:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OIasFY022335; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:36:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:48:01 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <013901c2dc33$1a502ce0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > Which is at least 50% of the problem !!! > > Mike Mike, you stated earlier that people not staying in the right lane was 50% of our problem. Now you've found the other 50%. Who knew it was so simple? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 13:45:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OIjDXo024535; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:45:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OIjCJ5024523; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:45:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001501c2dc35$08b740c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "matthew patton" , References: <20030224182922.31599.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:46:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" > > > a good clip once you hit the Mt. Vernon trail, which is mercifully > > free of > > dog walkers, skaters and whatnot during morning commute hours. > > up yon north it might be. Down south of the airport and between old > town traffic is rather worse. There were a number of days I seriously > played with the notion of getting on the GWPKY and hammering for all I > was worth. > You're right, there's no prohibition on bikes on the main road! I have ridden the Parkway itself between Mt. Vernon and Old Town and have seen a pace line or two on the Pkwy. Apparently the bike trail designers at the Park Service seem to think bicyclists prefer traveling at 5 mph, around sharp blind turns, etc. Me, the one and only time I ventured down there on two human powered wheels, I couldn't take it anymore, said fug it, pulled onto the Pkway and hauled ass. I'm not sure I'd do that north of Old Town where the posted limit is 40, but the prevailing speed is 60+ with no shoulder unless the Park Police is out doing their thing. I'll make sure to wear the fluorescent orange jersey for that one. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 13:59:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OIxJXo026793; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:59:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OIxIsc026773; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:59:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224185916.32635.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:59:16 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Bicycle travel time from Assburn to Arlington (was Re: Better Licensing) To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030224181809.10608.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not to mention the fact that I'm commuting to Rosslyn in Arlington from Broadlands in Ashburn. Those are the far ends of each area. I'd guess at least two hours each way even if I were in shape (which I'm not). It's just not practical. Chris Weaver --- matthew patton wrote: > I wasn't in the best of shape and might have been > able to shave 10 > minutes off the leg but even so, he's looking at a > min 90 min ride each > way. It makes FAR better sense to ride the bus and > train from out there > if caging or mc's are out of the question. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 13:59:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OIxJXo026794; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:59:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OIxI6G026779; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:59:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007101c2dc36$cb7ce5a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rob Keiser" , , References: Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:58:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Washington Post -- You can search a couple weeks worth on-line as well. It's a little odd they have the bike ads not with the car ads, but with the boats and RVs in the sports section. It took me a little while to catch on to that the bike ads are not in the main classifieds. Duh. The usual "bike ad" run is a Friday-Sat.-Sun., so the first day they appear is on Friday is you want to get a jump on the competition. Once in a while you'll see bikes in the City Paper, so that's worth a look. If you don't mind traveling a bit, hit the web sites for the Balmer, Phila., Norfolk and Richmond papers while you're at it. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Keiser" To: ; Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? > Don't know if they are the best, but these two are a start: > > 1. Friday's Washington Post Sports section, near the back. > > 2. Call Dave or Ryan at CAD Cycles in Gaithersburg, they usually have a > decent selection. 301-977-7188 > > YMMV > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > > > > > > From: "rich hall" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: best place to find used bikes? > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:00:08 -0500 > > Where's the best place to find used bikes? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 14:05:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OJ56Xo031105; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:05:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OJ56V8031093; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:05:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224190446.99927.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:04:46 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: paging Rob Curtis To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rich, If Rob doesn't answer, I can provide some insight. I've owned a Seca II and I currently own an SV650 (unfaired). The SV is superior in every way I can think of off the top of my head. It's more fun, handles better, is faster, looks better, has more aftermarket parts available, is just as easy to work on, is lighter, wheelies easier, brakes better, etc. etc. etc... The Seca II's only real redeeming factor is that you can buy one for about $1000-1200 and sell it for the same when you're done with it. They are also nearly bulletproof too. Chris Weaver --- rich hall wrote: > Rob if you're still on the list could you email me? > I was wondering how the SV650S compares to the Seca > II? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 14:06:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OJ6XXo000769; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:06:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OJ6XWq000762; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:06:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224190626.43553.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:06:26 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can't remember his name right now but buried in the back of the Lorton tank farm is a small-time bike shop. He typically has a very decent (if small) selection. Just follow the fuel trucks down the road and keep going straight to the end. It's on the right in the last row of buildings. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 14:12:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OJCWXo004125; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:12:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OJCVsv004113; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:12:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224191224.25448.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:12:24 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: paging Rob Curtis To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030224190446.99927.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ol' Rob is probably pointing and clicking in some forsaken wasteland in central Asia right about now but... Having worked on Rob's bike and a Seca (reattaching the airbox on a sidewalk in the middle of DC) the SV engine space is cramped but livable. The Seca might be easier overall (aircooled and all that) but I would like to beat the snot out of the engineer who designed that airbox. It took bloody forever to get the boots to go over the carbs. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 14:29:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OJT9Xo006340; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:29:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OJT8Lh006329; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:29:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224192906.7806.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:29:06 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? To: Paul Wilson , Rob Keiser , richallmc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <007101c2dc36$cb7ce5a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah that threw me too when I first started looking for a used bike. Sunday's Wash Post typically has the most listings. jib --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Washington Post -- You can search a couple weeks > worth on-line as well. > It's a little odd they have the bike ads not with > the car ads, but with the > boats and RVs in the sports section. It took me a > little while to catch on > to that the bike ads are not in the main > classifieds. Duh. The usual "bike > ad" run is a Friday-Sat.-Sun., so the first day they > appear is on Friday is > you want to get a jump on the competition. Once in > a while you'll see bikes > in the City Paper, so that's worth a look. If you > don't mind traveling a > bit, hit the web sites for the Balmer, Phila., > Norfolk and Richmond papers > while you're at it. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Keiser" > To: ; > > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? > > > > Don't know if they are the best, but these two are > a start: > > > > 1. Friday's Washington Post Sports section, near > the back. > > > > 2. Call Dave or Ryan at CAD Cycles in > Gaithersburg, they usually have a > > decent selection. 301-977-7188 > > > > YMMV > > > > Rob > > '98 VFR800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "rich hall" > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: best place to find used bikes? > > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:00:08 -0500 > > > > Where's the best place to find used bikes? > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 > months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 > months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 14:53:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OJrdXo008621; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:53:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OJrcWT008611; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:53:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030224195336.57438.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:53:36 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: On Speeding. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <151.1c38df68.2b8a2d38@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Advice? > > > > Don't speed??? > > Oh yea there is a brilliant idea. > I just love traveling far slower then traffic on a > motorcycle, it is almost > as much fun as Russian Roulette but you do not need > a gun permit. > My 3 1/2 years at the speed limit on the I95/395 HOV lanes indicates otherwise. I get on a Dale City and stay in the HOV lanes all the way to DC. Back when the speed limit was 55, most days then I rode 47 mph. I calculate that I've been passed by cars splitting lanes approximately 3000 times. Those are the cars that don't get out of the right lane while they pass my motorcycle in the right lane. Many of those passes had us 3 vehicles wide in the HOV lanes. Many were observed by the various versions of police officers who commute/patrol/travel the HOV lanes. Some of the passes were done by police officers. None of the lane splitters were ever ticketed. Now the speed limit is 65 and when I travel at 60 mph, I get passed quite a bit, but there is much less lane splitting. One the inbound lanes, the construction speed limit for the Springfield interchange is 50 mph from the Parkway all the way to Duke St. I get passed when I'm going 45 between Edsall Rd and Duke St quite a bit. I've been stopped 4 times in the years I've been doing this. 3 of them warned me about moving left and right within my lane too quickly - I move left to avoid stopped cars on the shoulder, then back to the right shoulder to continue. The cops seem to think I'm too aggressive during these manuevers. The 4th time was for an expired inspection sticker. To avoid that, I no longer allow anyone to linger alongside me - pass or don't pass, but no one paces me from alongside. You asked people to do something. I'm doing it. I'm doing my best to get a ticket for impeding traffic. If you're going faster than 10 mph below the speed limit, it won't happen. If it does, it's easy to beat, the law states that it isn't illegal to impede traffic if you're doing it to avoid breaking the law. (It's in the Virginia code section that discusses impeding traffic) I also think the speed limits are low in a lot of places. I'll be happy to go slow on my way to or from work to try to change the law. So far, I probably haven't made much of a dent doing it. Leon. slow guy. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 15:00:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OK07Xo011959; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:00:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OK068U011948; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:00:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Brad Faas" To: "'rich hall'" , Subject: RE: best place to find used bikes? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:01:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2dc3f$7bb205b0$c801a8c0@BRADS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Try Cycle Pros in Lorton, VA. Please tell him (owner Sebastian) that Brad ("Foz" ) sent you if you do visit the shop. Mostly sport bikes, but occasional standards/cruisers come through there... (703)-339-5699 - Cycle Pros Brad -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:00 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: best place to find used bikes? Where's the best place to find used bikes? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 15:11:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OKBCXo014165; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:11:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OKBCw7014155; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:11:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [166.94.9.204] From: "Jeff Wisecarver" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: best place to find used bikes? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:10:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2003 20:11:00.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[D940DE80:01C2DC40] I'll second that. He's a good guy and I've dealt with him a couple of times. He deals a lot in crashed bikes and also has some racing SV's there too that he sponsors (rides?) ----------- Jeffrey C. Wisecarver jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX Home (703)780-5421 Cell (703)786-4723 Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 '89 RED i' ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Brad Faas" To: "'rich hall'" , Subject: RE: best place to find used bikes? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:01:11 -0500 Try Cycle Pros in Lorton, VA. Please tell him (owner Sebastian) that Brad ("Foz" ) sent you if you do visit the shop. Mostly sport bikes, but occasional standards/cruisers come through there... (703)-339-5699 - Cycle Pros Brad -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:00 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: best place to find used bikes? Where's the best place to find used bikes? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junk _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 15:26:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OKQRXo016376; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:26:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OKQRum016366; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:26:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004a01c2dc43$31494480$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20030224195336.57438.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: On Speeding. Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:27:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- "Leon Begeman" described the 95/395 HOV lane splitorama by cagers thusly: >I get on a Dale City and > stay in the HOV lanes all the way to DC. Back when > the speed limit was 55, most days then I rode 47 mph. > I calculate that I've been passed by cars splitting > lanes approximately 3000 times. I guess Virginians being polite Southern gentry let their vehicles do the talking. In DC and MD words usually change hands. Since bicycles are a topic today, you should try riding a pedal bike on some roads around here, especially in the springtime, when you can engage your fellow road users in polite conversation. Lots of comments about my parents, as in I'm a "son of a Rich." That's strange, my Dad's name is not Rich. And also had my mother described as being in a motorized profession. Something about her being a "mother-trucker." Hmmm. Paul, Confused in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 16:03:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OL38Xo018872; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:03:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OL34ZS018862; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:03:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <08b101c2dc3f$bf826780$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "rich hall" , "dc-cycles list" References: <000201c2dc32$0eb4ca40$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:02:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 What kind of used bike are you looking for? I know there was an SV650 advertised on here last week, and if the price is right, my CB700SC might be too. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "rich hall" ; "dc-cycles list" Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? > I've bought three used bikes in the past four years and they came from the > following sources: > > Cycletrader.com, Washington Post classifieds, eBay. > > If you're interested in a particular model, lurk on a model specific > email list. Used VFRs (usually lovingly maintained) come up all the time on > the VFR lists. > > HTH, > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rich hall" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:00 PM > Subject: best place to find used bikes? > > > > Where's the best place to find used bikes? > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 16:06:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OL6VXo021023; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:06:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OL6V3g021017; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:06:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:05:48 -0500 From: julie moran Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <32027931d93d.31d93d320279@icomcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.09 (built Jan 7 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en I know I just posted this, but what the heck--at least it's "on topic"... For Sale: A bone-stock, blue 2000 Suzuki SV650 with 12,700 miles on the odometer. It runs perfectly, and is in perfect shape cosmetically. It has never been dropped, crashed, scuffed or scraped in any way. It has always been garaged. The tires are good, the oil is fresh and it's for sale for $4000, or best offer. Purchase of new bike forces sale. Email or call Randy Moran @ 703.754.7974 ----- Original Message ----- From: rich hall Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:00 pm Subject: best place to find used bikes? > Where's the best place to find used bikes? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 16:44:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OLi8Xo025394; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:44:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OLi7IL025384; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:44:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3b.33fff4f4.2b8bec1f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:43:59 EST Subject: Re: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/24/2003 9:52:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > Odds of this EVER happening? Minute. _THE_ bottom line, and I know it. As for the 70% unemployment rate that is really out of line. You would have to phase in stricter and stricter drivers tests until you reach the 1/3 to 1/2 failure rate I proposed. Remember we are talking primarily about making the roads safer, the public transportation issue is secondary at best. As for the president having any control over it, no way in hell, this is a state issue. The only way it could happen is from the bottom up. and as you say it will _never_ happen. But we can dream can we not? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 16:51:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OLpGXo027617; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:51:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OLpFXP027604; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:51:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:51:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2003 21:51:08.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[D68F4AB0:01C2DC4E] SV650S Blue I did notice the SV650 non S advertised. >From: "S. Russell" >Reply-To: "S. Russell" >To: "rich hall" ,"dc-cycles list" > >Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:02:58 -0500 > >What kind of used bike are you looking for? > >I know there was an SV650 advertised on here last week, and if the price is >right, my CB700SC might be too. > >Scott > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Wilson" >To: "rich hall" ; "dc-cycles list" > >Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:22 PM >Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? > > > > I've bought three used bikes in the past four years and they came from >the > > following sources: > > > > Cycletrader.com, Washington Post classifieds, eBay. > > > > If you're interested in a particular model, lurk on a model specific > > email list. Used VFRs (usually lovingly maintained) come up all the >time >on > > the VFR lists. > > > > HTH, > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "rich hall" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:00 PM > > Subject: best place to find used bikes? > > > > > > > Where's the best place to find used bikes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 16:55:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OLtWXo029781; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:55:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OLtWgm029771; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:55:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6e.2ae3a023.2b8beebc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:55:08 EST Subject: Re: Better Licensing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/24/2003 11:17:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > how many of the deaths and injuries from Explorer "tire failures" > could have been prevented through better driver training and attention to > simple vehicle maintenance tasks like maintaining correct tire pressure? 100% (Rounded off from the very small % that could not have been helped.) As for the rest. Well stated. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 16:57:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1OLvlXo030882; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:57:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1OLvl6S030871; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:57:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e7.2f20881.2b8bef4b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:57:31 EST Subject: Re: Better Licensing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/24/2003 11:21:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Now the latest fad being pushed by the highway lobby is smart highway design > and intelligent vehicles, OOOH OOOH OOOH! Lets not forget lots and lots of _highly_ explosive devices pointed right at the drivers! (airbags) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 19:21:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1P0L0Xo007784; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:21:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1P0KxEb007769; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:20:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030225002057.92344.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:20:56 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? To: richallmc@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aw, heck, if everyone else is jumping in . . . 1998 Triumph Speed Triple. Just shy of 12K miles. New-ish tires, oil, battery, pristine bodywork, garaged, etc. $5200. (If nothing else, maybe this will help quench the flames . . . ) Aaron 202-309-1894 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 20:07:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1P17jXo010135; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:07:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1P17iSo010125; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:07:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:08:06 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Pissed at DC To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E599AA6.29257813@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20030223204325.57623.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> <003301c2db8f$7b428b00$32662c42@D7XFG711> <00f601c2db95$c215bdd0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> <3E596E77.D13628AF@XXXXXX> "William J. Huson" wrote: > The big deal? Oral sex is included in Virginia's law, and being married does > not excuse one from arrest and prosecution for engaging in same with one's > spouse. A class 6 felony - up to a $5,000 fine and/or 5 years in the slammer. And yet, Virginia is for Lovers. Lol! :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 22:22:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1P3MVXo012895; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:22:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1P3MUdB012891; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:22:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Rob Curtis" To: "'rich hall'" , Subject: RE: paging Rob Curtis Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:22:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c2dc7d$1b881100$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.156.189.53] at Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:22:20 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1P3MSXo012874 I ain't gone to Iraq, yet! Waiting for the damned Turks to relent... Anyway- SVS vs. XJ600... The short and sweet way to compare the two would be like comparing a VW GTI VR6 to a Ford Taurus (maybe even a Taurus SHO.) Both get going well, though one is exceptionally more fun to drive. The Seca is a heavy bike that inspires confidence. It feels planted all the time and that nice wide seat (I had a Corbin) is like Archie Bunker's chair. Riding position is upright and comfy. The fairing is great at reducing 40-70% of the turbulence. The engine makes it's power quite smoothly, it never feels like it's gonna buck you off. Stopping power is incredibly good considering you have only the one caliper up front. Now, the SVS. The SVS feels altogether different. It might as well be a supersport by comparison. The riding position is much more aggressive, though it is still comfortable. It just feels like you are somehow more a part of the bike than you would just sitting on the Seca II. It vibrates a lot more than the smooth IL4, but it also makes power like an Apollo rocket coming of the pad. You can feel the vibes in the bars mostly, but you get used to it. Handling - waaaaaaaaaaaaay more fun to be had here, too. The bike might not be an R6, but you just kinda point your head where you want to go -no matter how tight the turn- and the bike just sorta turns in and leaves you wondering how long before you start needing knee sliders... Brakes- very good, the feel is not so great, but they can stoppie you if you squeeze 'em hard enough. The first time I rode Steve Millers SV, I was giggling (literally) every time I cracked the throttle. Even in turns I had ridden as fast as I dared on my Seca, the SV felt like -it- was driving and -it- new the fastest way through the turn. Other points: The SV has only got two cylinders, making it pretty easy to mess with the carbs. The hinged gas tank also makes wrenching less arduous. The build quality is a little bit of an issue when compared to the Yamaha. I've broken a couple of bolts on the SV, and I notice that most parts line up well, but not as nicely on the Seca. Aftermarket support: No comparison, here. The Yamaha is a great standard. The SV is a chameleon. You can see SVs out on the road decked out as very competent tourers just as easily as you see them on the track with an M4 and race wiring. The SV is like a goddam LEGO set. So much aftermarket support you could easily turn your $6000 bike into a $10,0000, never once wondering where the money went. In all, the SV is the perfect "next" bike coming from a Seca II. Robby C. -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 13:01 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: paging Rob Curtis Rob if you're still on the list could you email me? I was wondering how the SV650S compares to the Seca II? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 22:32:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1P3WuXo015110; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:32:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1P3Wui2015103; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:32:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009801c2dc79$561893c0$b6785c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: London (was Re: Pissed at DC) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:55:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Last reports seen said the new London City Traffic Toll has been spanked and is breathing with 25% decreases, albeit with discomfort. Professional tracking on the list? Odds as to U.S./DC uptake? http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,6007024%255E27 03,00.html Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > call me toll-free Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 24 23:24:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1P4OlXo017500; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:24:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1P4OiIL017485; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:24:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:24:41 -0500 Subject: Re: paging Rob Curtis From: Stephen Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c2dc7d$1b881100$6401a8c0@cypher> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 2/24/03 10:22 PM, Rob Curtis at rmcurtis@XXXXXX wrote: > The first time I rode Steve Millers SV, I was giggling (literally) every > time I cracked the throttle. Even in turns I had ridden as fast as I dared > on my Seca, the SV felt like -it- was driving and -it- new the fastest way > through the turn. I just remember trying to keep up on that slow-ass Seca. ;-) The best I can say about the Seca II is that it's a well-made, reliable bike. But a Bandit 400 gives many more grins per mile. Sorry if I've offended the Seca fans. As a caveat I should mention that Rob had his Seca II perfectly tuned so that there was a big flat spot between zero rpm and redline. I kid, I kid. Really it was very nice... for me to poop on. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 00:02:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1P52SXo019887; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:02:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1P52S6X019879; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:02:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5AFA34.DC07FEC0@carlparker.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:08:04 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just looking at the forecast for Sunday and it looks to be "47* and mostly sunny." While I'm not going to put any money on it till Saturday or so I was wonderin' if some people would like to meet up for a ride around wherever that day. I've changed alot of things on my bike since all this snow and stuff happened and I'd love to feel the new beast. MUHAHAHAHAHA! ;) But no seriously folks I'm a very average rider...I like to cruise easy but open it up sometimes when it's not too technical and I have a good idea about the roads. VROOM! VROOM! Carl Parker 703.587.4135 if you rather voc. ------------------------- 82' Mag v45 - "Mystery Ship" 98' Bandit 1200S - ------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 01:10:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1P6AfXo023478; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:10:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1P6AfnC023468; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:10:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <015e01c2dc94$b54b80d0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Wayne Edelen" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Simple ?? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:10:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [141.156.138.223] at Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:10:30 -0600 Ha !! Thanks for paying attention. :)) Mike **************************************************** From: "Wayne Edelen" > On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > > Which is at least 50% of the problem !!! > > Mike > > Mike, you stated earlier that people not staying in the right lane was 50% > of our problem. Now you've found the other 50%. Who knew it was so > simple? :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 07:29:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PCT5Xo027821; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:29:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PCT46q027811; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:29:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Carl Parker'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday ride anyone? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:28:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I wouldn't mind a short ride but my bike is still snowed in. I keep it in a large shed and there is still about 8 inches of snow in the back yard. It'll probably be about April before I get it out again. :( I hope the weather men are wrong about this snow. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parker [mailto:carl@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:08 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride anyone? Just looking at the forecast for Sunday and it looks to be "47* and mostly sunny." While I'm not going to put any money on it till Saturday or so I was wonderin' if some people would like to meet up for a ride around wherever that day. I've changed alot of things on my bike since all this snow and stuff happened and I'd love to feel the new beast. MUHAHAHAHAHA! ;) But no seriously folks I'm a very average rider...I like to cruise easy but open it up sometimes when it's not too technical and I have a good idea about the roads. VROOM! VROOM! Carl Parker 703.587.4135 if you rather voc. ------------------------- 82' Mag v45 - "Mystery Ship" 98' Bandit 1200S - ------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 07:46:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PCkbXo029034; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:46:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PCkb9Y029024; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:46:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <09bc01c2dccb$dafed200$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Carl Parker" , References: <3E5AFA34.DC07FEC0@carlparker.com> Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:45:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I could use a good ride to see how it is running. I luckily didn't put it in the shed because the shed is now M shaped. It seemed the old shed didn't like 28" of snow. The other day the wind decided to knock it down but luckily no damage so far. Scott 84 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Parker" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:08 AM Subject: Sunday ride anyone? > Just looking at the forecast for Sunday and it looks to be "47* and > mostly sunny." > While I'm not going to put any money on it till Saturday or so I was > wonderin' if some people would like to meet up for a ride around > wherever that day. > > I've changed alot of things on my bike since all this snow and stuff > happened and I'd love to feel the new beast. MUHAHAHAHAHA! ;) > > But no seriously folks I'm a very average rider...I like to cruise easy > but open it up sometimes when it's not too technical and I have a good > idea about the roads. > > VROOM! VROOM! > Carl Parker > 703.587.4135 if you rather voc. > > ------------------------- > 82' Mag v45 - "Mystery Ship" > 98' Bandit 1200S - > ------------------------- > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 07:56:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PCuTXo030190; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:56:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PCuTQD030175; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:56:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Carl Parker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:56:37 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3E5AFA34.DC07FEC0@carlparker.com> In-Reply-To: <3E5AFA34.DC07FEC0@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0302250756370P.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I wouldn't mind a Sunday ride. Fortunately I'm not snowed in and have been riding in since Friday (that right turn on Independance yesterday was better than coffee :-) D'ya mind a cruiser or are just sports allowed? Putt Putt Evil Overlord Carl On Tuesday 25 February 2003 00:08, Carl Parker wrote: > Just looking at the forecast for Sunday and it looks to be "47* and > mostly sunny." > While I'm not going to put any money on it till Saturday or so I was > wonderin' if some people would like to meet up for a ride around > wherever that day. > > I've changed alot of things on my bike since all this snow and stuff > happened and I'd love to feel the new beast. MUHAHAHAHAHA! ;) > > But no seriously folks I'm a very average rider...I like to cruise easy > but open it up sometimes when it's not too technical and I have a good > idea about the roads. > > VROOM! VROOM! > Carl Parker > 703.587.4135 if you rather voc. > > ------------------------- > 82' Mag v45 - "Mystery Ship" > 98' Bandit 1200S - > ------------------------- -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 08:05:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PD5xXo031378; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:05:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PD5wNt031368; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:05:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Carl Schelin'" , Carl Parker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday ride anyone? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:05:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I saw some folks riding today one guy on one of those sweet enduro type bmw's I think I'll get me one of those for a second bike. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:57 AM To: Carl Parker; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? I wouldn't mind a Sunday ride. Fortunately I'm not snowed in and have been riding in since Friday (that right turn on Independance yesterday was better than coffee :-) D'ya mind a cruiser or are just sports allowed? Putt Putt Evil Overlord Carl On Tuesday 25 February 2003 00:08, Carl Parker wrote: > Just looking at the forecast for Sunday and it looks to be "47* and > mostly sunny." > While I'm not going to put any money on it till Saturday or so I was > wonderin' if some people would like to meet up for a ride around > wherever that day. > > I've changed alot of things on my bike since all this snow and stuff > happened and I'd love to feel the new beast. MUHAHAHAHAHA! ;) > > But no seriously folks I'm a very average rider...I like to cruise easy > but open it up sometimes when it's not too technical and I have a good > idea about the roads. > > VROOM! VROOM! > Carl Parker > 703.587.4135 if you rather voc. > > ------------------------- > 82' Mag v45 - "Mystery Ship" > 98' Bandit 1200S - > ------------------------- -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 08:14:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PDEIXo032583; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:14:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PDEHLs032569; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:14:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:14:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0302250814310S.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Before Sunday? Carl On Tuesday 25 February 2003 08:05, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > I saw some folks riding today one guy on one of those sweet enduro type > bmw's I think I'll get me one of those for a second bike. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:57 AM > To: Carl Parker; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? > > I wouldn't mind a Sunday ride. Fortunately I'm not snowed in and have been > riding in since Friday (that right turn on Independance yesterday was > better > > than coffee :-) > > D'ya mind a cruiser or are just sports allowed? > > Putt Putt > Evil Overlord Carl > > On Tuesday 25 February 2003 00:08, Carl Parker wrote: > > Just looking at the forecast for Sunday and it looks to be "47* and > > mostly sunny." > > While I'm not going to put any money on it till Saturday or so I was > > wonderin' if some people would like to meet up for a ride around > > wherever that day. > > > > I've changed alot of things on my bike since all this snow and stuff > > happened and I'd love to feel the new beast. MUHAHAHAHAHA! ;) > > > > But no seriously folks I'm a very average rider...I like to cruise easy > > but open it up sometimes when it's not too technical and I have a good > > idea about the roads. > > > > VROOM! VROOM! > > Carl Parker > > 703.587.4135 if you rather voc. > > > > ------------------------- > > 82' Mag v45 - "Mystery Ship" > > 98' Bandit 1200S - > > ------------------------- -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 08:18:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PDI1Xo001287; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:18:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PDI1jE001272; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:18:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVah/HpqKRNlGGi2Oisxt05Of0WL6tm81kZyrPwAUtXmsDA2oDkxfr4VATe9yAYvpOI= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:17:59 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010EEB@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830C0EB4@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 It's only 23 miles from Ashburn to Arlington (Wilson Blvd). So, an hour and a half at a nice leisurely pace; and just a smidgen over one hour if you're an animal (b/c of the stops, you'd have to be *flying* to keep a > 20 mph average). --jon -----Original Message----- From: Todd Withrow [mailto:mtwithrow@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:59 PM To: Chris Weaver; DC Cycles Subject: Re: Better Licensing (was Re: Pissed at DC) Well, it IS downhill to Arlington, two hours getting home maybe. :^) Todd --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Ever tried it? The distance in the car about 30 > miles > (I think I'm being conservative here too). Think I > can > maintain 30mph on a bicycle? I'd guess more like two > to three hours AT LEAST. > > Chris > > --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > Going down the W&OD trail by bicycle would > probably > > get you there in less than an hour. :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 08:34:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PDYvXo002535; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:34:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PDYtid002525; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:34:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005d01c2dcd3$677905f0$de340a0a@MSIACdrobinson> Reply-To: "David Robinson" From: "David Robinson" To: Subject: 2001 Suzuki SV650 For Sale Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:40:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 I hope it's okay to post this to the list, so here goes. 2001 Blue Suzuki SV650 for sale: 12,300 miles, garage kept, never down, adult ridden, meticulously maintained. Targa 1/4 fairing; RaceTech fork springs; Napoleon mirrors; carbon fiber footpeg plates, chain guard, instrument and top crown trim, and gas cap cover; swingarm spools; Suzuki tank cover; Wolfman Hi-Pipe saddlebags; Givi "Traffic-II" top box with mounting hardware (never installed); new OEM rear tire; Back-Off LED license plate frame; Suzuki shop manual; extra OEM tool kit. $4,700 I bought an FZ1 last year, and I'm not riding the SV enough to justify keeping it. Dave Robinson Lorton, VA 703-339-9781 (home) 703-402-6945 (cell) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 08:45:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PDjfXo005031; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:45:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PDjecU005021; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:45:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5B734E.4539A1DB@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:44:46 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" CC: "'Carl Schelin'" , Carl Parker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > I saw some folks riding today one guy on one of those sweet enduro type > bmw's I think I'll get me one of those for a second bike. I rode into Crystal City yesterday, worst spot was the bike parking at 20th and Crystal Drive - ICE! Once again, I was the only bike there. It's not that bad on the roads if you go on red alert status fo icy spots and potholes, and take it easy. But taking it easy is easy on my Harley. Twist the throttle on the bagger and it goes, "Shee, you wanna haul-ass? Get a UJM!" :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 09:04:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PE4rXo006205; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:04:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PE4r8N006194; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:04:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:05:05 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3E5B734E.4539A1DB@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E5B734E.4539A1DB@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0302250905050T.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 25 February 2003 08:44, William J. Huson wrote: > "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > > I saw some folks riding today one guy on one of those sweet enduro type > > bmw's I think I'll get me one of those for a second bike. > > I rode into Crystal City yesterday, worst spot was the bike parking at 20th > and Crystal Drive - ICE! Once again, I was the only bike there. It's not > that bad on the roads if you go on red alert status fo icy spots and > potholes, and take it easy. But taking it easy is easy on my Harley. > Twist the throttle on the bagger and it goes, "Shee, you wanna haul-ass? > Get a UJM!" :-) > Today was lots more fun. Lots of lovely dark spots on the road. I pulled the stupid annoying windshield off and enjoyed the ride more. The entire right lane of Independance up to 7th where I turn is a sheet of ice. I saw that after I made the turn and immediately hitched over to the middle lane. The right turn onto 7th in the large patch of ice was just as exciting as yesterday. > Bill Carl -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 09:11:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PEBCXo008386; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:11:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PEBBTj008376; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:11:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SV's on the web Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:11:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2003 14:11:04.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBC53C60:01C2DCD7] Is www.SVRider.com the main list/webpage or is there another place on the web I should lurk to see what comes up for sale? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 09:11:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PEBiXo009617; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:11:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PEBiFB009610; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:11:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5B796B.1ED7C214@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:10:51 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Joining the Spring bike sale fray... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a gem in my carport. 1998 Harley Dyna SuperGlide - blue, 31K miles. Has a sissybar rack, saddlebags, clipon windscreen, and highway pegs. Owned and operated by a man older than myself. Hard to believe, eh? Dealer maintained, even down to oil changes. I'd probably treat it to a new battery. The one in it works but it's a few years old. He's asking 10,500 for it. Offers entertained. Bike is in Annandale, VA. Ph (703) 256-3115 cell (703) 624-9648. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 09:26:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PEQGXo015206; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:26:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PEQDjA015191; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:26:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Carl Schelin'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday ride anyone? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:26:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain No the wife would kill me if I bought another bike. ;) -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? Before Sunday? Carl On Tuesday 25 February 2003 08:05, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > I saw some folks riding today one guy on one of those sweet enduro type > bmw's I think I'll get me one of those for a second bike. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:57 AM > To: Carl Parker; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? > > I wouldn't mind a Sunday ride. Fortunately I'm not snowed in and have been > riding in since Friday (that right turn on Independance yesterday was > better > > than coffee :-) > > D'ya mind a cruiser or are just sports allowed? > > Putt Putt > Evil Overlord Carl > > On Tuesday 25 February 2003 00:08, Carl Parker wrote: > > Just looking at the forecast for Sunday and it looks to be "47* and > > mostly sunny." > > While I'm not going to put any money on it till Saturday or so I was > > wonderin' if some people would like to meet up for a ride around > > wherever that day. > > > > I've changed alot of things on my bike since all this snow and stuff > > happened and I'd love to feel the new beast. MUHAHAHAHAHA! ;) > > > > But no seriously folks I'm a very average rider...I like to cruise easy > > but open it up sometimes when it's not too technical and I have a good > > idea about the roads. > > > > VROOM! VROOM! > > Carl Parker > > 703.587.4135 if you rather voc. > > > > ------------------------- > > 82' Mag v45 - "Mystery Ship" > > 98' Bandit 1200S - > > ------------------------- -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 10:41:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PFfhXo018743; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:41:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PFffPu018733; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:41:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:39:02 -0500 From: sbrand@XXXXXX Subject: re: Got a new bike, so an old one's for sale Sender: Shawn Brand To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: shawn.brand@XXXXXX Message-id: <000e01c2dce4$060ee990$9865fea9@sallt10001> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Congrats on the purchase of an RC51! I have a 2001. My mods include Erion pipes, a PowerCommander III, and a Corbin seat. I highly suggest you replace the stock seat with a Corbin or Sargent. It made a huge difference for me.... Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:57:12 -0500 From: Randy Moran Subject: Got a new bike, so an old one's for sale To: DC Cycles Well, not that old, really. I signed the papers on an '03 RC51 over the weekend. Unfortunately for me, this means the beloved SV has to go. It's a bone-stock, blue 2000 Suzuki SV650 with 12,700 miles on the odometer. It runs perfectly, and is in perfect shape cosmetically. It has never been dropped, crashed, scuffed or scraped in any way. It has always been garaged. The tires are good, the oil is fresh and it's for sale for $4000, or best offer. I live close to Aldie, Va, at the foot of Bull Run Mountain. I have clear title and all of the documentation the came with the bike (Manuals, etc.). Email me if you're interested, or call 703.754.7974. Thanks for your time, and now back to your regular programming. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 11:21:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PGLLXo021153; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:21:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PGLKqi021143; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:21:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145155FC@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'richallmc@XXXXXX'" , "'pattonme@XXXXXX'" Subject: best place to find used bikes? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:22:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Rich Hall succinctly asked, "Where's the best place to find used bikes?" In addition to the already good recommendations: Clinton Cycles. Bulletin boards of local shops. aaa--nd Our own: Garcia Oliver Carl in Bethesda Matthew Patton pugnaciously muttered, "I would like to beat the snot out of the engineer who designed that airbox. It took bloody forever to get the boots to go over the carbs." Heh, try the carbs on a 750-700 cc mid 80's Honda V-4. Blasphemies, obscenities, garden tools, hot water, Astro-lube, and ratcheting tie-down straps are among the recommended tools. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 11:21:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PGLOXo021183; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:21:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PGLOmc021175; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:21:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003201c2dce8$4cadb0d0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: References: Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? - More Snow? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:09:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 I rode to work yesterday and today. Traffic sucked and lane splitting was little scary with bunch of ice on the side of the streets. I heard on the news last nigh that more snow (more than 6 inches) may be coming this Thursday. might need that Yamaha's 2WD bike to go on a ride on Sunday. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 11:28:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PGSIXo026519; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:28:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PGSHTq026513; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:28:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5B996B.CF44A459@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:27:23 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shigeru Honda CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? - More Snow? References: <003201c2dce8$4cadb0d0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shigeru Honda wrote: > I rode to work yesterday and today. Traffic sucked and lane splitting was > little scary with bunch of ice on the side of the streets. > > I heard on the news last nigh that more snow (more than 6 inches) may be > coming this Thursday. > > might need that Yamaha's 2WD bike to go on a ride on Sunday. Good grief! I'd suggest that those who actually riding to Trailer Week in Daytona take a few extra days off and get outta town while the gittin's good. The time I rode down I had 45 minutes of hail in North Carolina. That stuff is NOISY on a helmet! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 11:35:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PGZgXo028729; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:35:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PGZf47028714; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:35:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001e01c2dcec$1f5434c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , "Shigeru Honda" Cc: References: <003201c2dce8$4cadb0d0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> <3E5B996B.CF44A459@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? - More Snow? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:36:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Or cheat and hop the Auto-Train with your scoot. Hopefully the weather-guesser fear-mongering is for naught this time Paul with VFR pointed south ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > > Good grief! I'd suggest that those who actually riding to Trailer Week in > Daytona take a few extra days off and get outta town while the gittin's > good. The time I rode down I had 45 minutes of hail in North Carolina. That > stuff is NOISY on a helmet! > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 11:35:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PGZwXo028772; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:35:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PGZw03028766; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:35:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5B9B38.44E2C9DE@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:35:05 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Custer, Carl" CC: "'DCCycles'" , "'richallmc@XXXXXX'" , "'pattonme@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145155FC@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Custer, Carl" wrote: > Carl in Bethesda > > Matthew Patton pugnaciously muttered, "I would like to beat the snot out of > the engineer who designed that airbox. It took bloody forever to get the > boots to go over the carbs." > Heh, try the carbs on a 750-700 cc mid 80's Honda V-4. > Blasphemies, obscenities, garden tools, hot water, Astro-lube, and > ratcheting tie-down straps are among the recommended tools. Kawasucky Eliminator, same deal. I gave up and sold the POS in a box. I should have smelled trouble when step one to install new plugs was "Remove the fuel tank." Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 11:42:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PGggXo000643; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:42:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PGgfPw000628; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:42:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5B9CCA.E02C12F2@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:41:46 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: Shigeru Honda , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? - More Snow? References: <003201c2dce8$4cadb0d0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> <3E5B996B.CF44A459@patriot.net> <001e01c2dcec$1f5434c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > Or cheat and hop the Auto-Train with your scoot. Hopefully the > weather-guesser fear-mongering is for naught this time I can't recall if the Auto-Train was in bizz in `83, my one and only visit to the poser/flash your rack show. The most hilarious event was watching busloads of midwestern college spring break girls jump off the bus and go into shock when they realized they were in the middle of Bike Week. Yeah, babee, we're the ones your pappy warned you about :-> Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 11:43:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PGh3Xo000693; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:43:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PGh270000687; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:43:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030225164255.47187.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:42:55 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: London (was Re: Pissed at DC) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <009801c2dc79$561893c0$b6785c0c@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I bet the lorry companies just *love* this. Seems to me OUTbound traffic should not be charged. And at least by using big brother(tm) cameras they don't snarl traffic up with damn toll booths. Along 294 and 94/90 here in Chicago the city MAKES traffic jams because of the stupid tolls. So, do those plate masking devices work? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 11:43:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PGhbXo000747; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:43:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PGhbpx000739; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:43:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145155FD@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'William J. Huson'" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Demonic Engineers -wuz used bikes? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:45:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain > > Matthew Patton pugnaciously muttered, "I would like to beat the snot out > of > > the engineer who designed that airbox. It took bloody forever to get the > > boots to go over the carbs." > > Heh, try the carbs on a 750-700 cc mid 80's Honda V-4. > > Blasphemies, obscenities, garden tools, hot water, Astro-lube, and > > ratcheting tie-down straps are among the recommended tools. > > Kawasucky Eliminator, same deal. I gave up and sold the POS in a box. I > should have smelled trouble when step one to install new plugs was "Remove > the > fuel tank." > Bill [Custer, Carl] Maybe Kwaka-saki hired GM engineers. Remember the early 60's Old's & Pontiac where you had to lift the engine to replace the oil filter? And fugabout replacing the right rear spark plug. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 11:47:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PGl1Xo008441; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:47:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PGl1Je008435; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:47:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030225164647.83172.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:46:47 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Riding to New Orleans tomorrow To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030225164255.47187.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii leaving Wed afternoon; arriving Fri mid-day; I'm taking 66w to 81 south, eventually to 59 south; i've done a search of the weather along the route, and so far it looks like the only place where i'll have snow is around the Roanoke area; weather.com says "light snow," but it's supposed to start this evening; anyone know if it's supposed to accumulate in the Roanoke area? I've got rain gear, but am wondering how crazy this whole trip is (after Mardi Gras, I'm going to Daytona for Bike Week) ... jib __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 12:03:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PH3nXo011937; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:03:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PH3nm8011929; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:03:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030225170344.78294.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:03:44 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Sunday ride anyone? To: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)" , "'Carl Schelin'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > No the wife would kill me if I bought another bike. > ;) So you obviously need to find a way to acquire one without buying it. Leon "How many bikes does one man need anyway?" "Just one more" - Greg Harrison, AMA staff __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 12:11:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PHBeXo014166; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:11:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PHBe9I014154; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:11:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5BA397.F899498D@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:10:47 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Isaac Blanck CC: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding to New Orleans tomorrow References: <20030225164647.83172.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isaac Blanck wrote: > leaving Wed afternoon; arriving Fri mid-day; I'm > taking 66w to 81 south, eventually to 59 south; i've > done a search of the weather along the route, and so > far it looks like the only place where i'll have snow > is around the Roanoke area; weather.com says "light > snow," but it's supposed to start this evening; anyone > know if it's supposed to accumulate in the Roanoke > area? I've got rain gear, but am wondering how crazy > this whole trip is (after Mardi Gras, I'm going to > Daytona for Bike Week) ... jib Nice trip! Off 81 you'll pick up 40 to 75 and have to do some jiggling around Chattanooga to pick up 59. The speed limit will be 70! You could stop in Cleveland TN, just north of Chattanooga, and have my darling daughter fix your hair up with Mardi Gras colors. She owns a beauty salon, the Renaissance. Watch out for fog on 75 north of Chattanooga. They'll be signs, site of the worst ever fog pileup involving more'n a hundred vehicles. In Alabama and Miss watch out for those dang log trucks. Inspection? Make me laugh, they're junkers and they spit off bark and wood chunks like crazy. Highway is rain groved in spots, no prob, just go with the squiggles. Oh yeah, rest areas, save for the border welcome ones, are just pulloffs. Find a tree and water it, watch out for snakes :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 12:39:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PHdGXo017521; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:39:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PHdGwR017511; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:39:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "William J. Huson" , Shigeru Honda Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday ride anyone? - More Snow? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:39:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Auto train sounds like a good idea. I hope the weather guessers are wrong. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:37 AM To: William J. Huson; Shigeru Honda Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride anyone? - More Snow? Or cheat and hop the Auto-Train with your scoot. Hopefully the weather-guesser fear-mongering is for naught this time Paul with VFR pointed south ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > > Good grief! I'd suggest that those who actually riding to Trailer Week in > Daytona take a few extra days off and get outta town while the gittin's > good. The time I rode down I had 45 minutes of hail in North Carolina. That > stuff is NOISY on a helmet! > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 13:26:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PIQpXo019969; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:26:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PIQerL019934; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:26:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:26:03 -0500 From: julie moran Subject: Re: re: Got a new bike, so an old one's for sale Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <438f27439750.439750438f27@icomcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.09 (built Jan 7 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Thanks. Yeah, I'll prolly have to keep it close to stock for a while. The bank account is hurtin' for certain. It's basically a doubling of the HP I'm used to, so I'm fairly sure I won't mess with the power. The seat is probably a good idea though, huh? ----- Original Message ----- From: sbrand@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:39 am Subject: re: Got a new bike, so an old one's for sale > Congrats on the purchase of an RC51! I have a 2001. My mods > include Erion > pipes, a PowerCommander III, and a Corbin seat. I highly suggest > you replace > the stock seat with a Corbin or Sargent. It made a huge difference for > me.... > > Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:57:12 -0500 > From: Randy Moran > Subject: Got a new bike, so an old one's for sale > To: DC Cycles > > Well, not that old, really. I signed the papers on an '03 RC51 > over the > weekend. Unfortunately for me, this means the beloved SV has to go. > > It's a bone-stock, blue 2000 Suzuki SV650 with 12,700 miles on the > odometer. It runs perfectly, and is in perfect shape cosmetically. > It > has never been dropped, crashed, scuffed or scraped in any way. It has > always been garaged. The tires are good, the oil is fresh and it's for > sale for $4000, or best offer. > > I live close to Aldie, Va, at the foot of Bull Run Mountain. I have > clear title and all of the documentation the came with the bike > (Manuals, etc.). Email me if you're interested, or call 703.754.7974. > > Thanks for your time, and now back to your regular programming. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 13:37:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PIb7Xo022180; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:37:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PIb1BU022145; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:37:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <0a4901c2dcfc$cca04500$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Isaac Blanck" , "matthew patton" , References: <20030225164647.83172.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Riding to New Orleans tomorrow Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:35:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 One weather forecaster was calling for ice and sleet in Southern part of Virginia tomorrow. Don't know if that would be in the parts you are heading. I am exchanging a cage for a dealer tomorrow in Chesapeake, VA tomorrow. Nice long ride to get out of the Washington Ghetro area. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac Blanck" To: "matthew patton" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: Riding to New Orleans tomorrow > leaving Wed afternoon; arriving Fri mid-day; I'm > taking 66w to 81 south, eventually to 59 south; i've > done a search of the weather along the route, and so > far it looks like the only place where i'll have snow > is around the Roanoke area; weather.com says "light > snow," but it's supposed to start this evening; anyone > know if it's supposed to accumulate in the Roanoke > area? I've got rain gear, but am wondering how crazy > this whole trip is (after Mardi Gras, I'm going to > Daytona for Bike Week) ... jib > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 13:39:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PIdbXo024341; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:39:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PIdZMh024326; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:39:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5BB6CF.EE86CAFA@carlparker.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:32:48 -0500 From: Carl Parker Reply-To: carl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: March 1st (Sunday) ride anyone? References: <3E5AFA34.DC07FEC0@carlparker.com> <0302250756370P.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do I mind a cruiser? Hell no man! Cruiser, Goldwing, 1970's CB, whatever. Hop along! I only know a limited amount of roads south of Front Royal so if anyone's got any nice little nooks and crannies I'd love to see em. Maybe pull over and chill out for a bit somewhere where it's nice and relaxing. I'm not trying to work testosterone out of my system, I just wanna ride a bit. Maybe we can meet at the Manassas rest stop on I 66 sometime in the morning, then head out to Rt.55. If others are already further out, we can meet more people at the Apple House or someplace convenient. Dude, plus with two Carl's we'd be Carl squared. If we get three it'd be cubed. With one more we should have enough to open up a Carl Etheral Vortex into the Carl dimension. ;) Buzz! Buzz! The Carl that is also Carl Carl Schelin wrote: > I wouldn't mind a Sunday ride. Fortunately I'm not snowed in and have been > riding in since Friday (that right turn on Independance yesterday was better > than coffee :-) > > D'ya mind a cruiser or are just sports allowed? > > Putt Putt > Evil Overlord Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 14:36:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PJaSXo027951; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:36:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PJaRgh027941; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:36:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: carl@XXXXXX, Carl Parker Subject: Re: March 1st (Sunday) ride anyone? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:35:33 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <3E5AFA34.DC07FEC0@carlparker.com> <0302250756370P.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E5BB6CF.EE86CAFA@carlparker.com> In-Reply-To: <3E5BB6CF.EE86CAFA@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03022514353313.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Works for me. Let me know times etc and I'll make arrangements. Gotta wash the bike before Sunday, get the chrome polished and all ;-) Evil Overlord Carl On Tuesday 25 February 2003 13:32, Carl Parker wrote: > Do I mind a cruiser? Hell no man! Cruiser, Goldwing, 1970's CB, whatever. > Hop along! I only know a limited amount of roads south of Front Royal so > if anyone's got any nice little nooks and crannies I'd love to see em. > Maybe pull over and chill out for a bit somewhere where it's nice and > relaxing. I'm not trying to work testosterone out of my system, I just > wanna ride a bit. > > Maybe we can meet at the Manassas rest stop on I 66 sometime in the > morning, then head out to Rt.55. If others are already further out, we can > meet more people at the Apple House or someplace convenient. > > Dude, plus with two Carl's we'd be Carl squared. If we get three it'd be > cubed. With one more we should have enough to open up a Carl Etheral > Vortex into the Carl dimension. ;) > > Buzz! Buzz! > The Carl that is also Carl > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > I wouldn't mind a Sunday ride. Fortunately I'm not snowed in and have > > been riding in since Friday (that right turn on Independance yesterday > > was better than coffee :-) > > > > D'ya mind a cruiser or are just sports allowed? > > > > Putt Putt > > Evil Overlord Carl -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 15:58:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1PKwbXo030573; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:58:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1PKwa7p030563; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:58:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5BD766.3CD7FAAA@carlparker.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:51:50 -0500 From: Carl Parker Reply-To: carl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: March 1st (Sunday) ride anyone? References: <3E5AFA34.DC07FEC0@carlparker.com> <0302250756370P.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E5BB6CF.EE86CAFA@carlparker.com> <03022514353313.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well seeing as how I don't know the road conditions out there and will assume they'll be a little wet from snow pile melt off, I'd argue for starting a little bit later than usual to let the sun come up and evap. anything that may be standing on the road...plus I like a little extra sleep. ;) How about 10am at the Manassas rest stop? If we're hungry or need gas or whatever, we'll decide next step stuff from there. If it's a rediculously nice time we can stay out longer. If it's not so hot then we can call it a short ride just to get our chops broken in again. If it's anywhere near decent weather I'd bet we'll see a fair amount of bikes out there w/ lots of pent up waving going on. Ya'll should dig out yur' bikes! Can't you just hear them talking to you in the middle of the night from their cold and wintery tombs: "Diiig me oooout.....DIIIIG ME OOOUTTT! I'm getting flaaat spots! FLAAAT SPOTS! AND THE FUEL IN THE CARBS IS STARTING TO VAAARNIIISH! VAARNISHHH! WOoooOOOooooH!" ;^I And now for something completely different, The Carl that is also Carl Carl Schelin wrote: > Works for me. Let me know times etc and I'll make arrangements. Gotta wash > the bike before Sunday, get the chrome polished and all ;-) > > Evil Overlord Carl > > On Tuesday 25 February 2003 13:32, Carl Parker wrote: > > Do I mind a cruiser? Hell no man! Cruiser, Goldwing, 1970's CB, whatever. > > Hop along! I only know a limited amount of roads south of Front Royal so > > if anyone's got any nice little nooks and crannies I'd love to see em. > > Maybe pull over and chill out for a bit somewhere where it's nice and > > relaxing. I'm not trying to work testosterone out of my system, I just > > wanna ride a bit. > > > > Maybe we can meet at the Manassas rest stop on I 66 sometime in the > > morning, then head out to Rt.55. If others are already further out, we can > > meet more people at the Apple House or someplace convenient. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 19:43:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1Q0hiXo007339; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:43:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1Q0hhWj007329; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:43:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Michael H. Moore" To: Subject: MD insurance Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <03022514353313.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Importance: Normal Hey everyone. I need to switch my insurance policy to Maryland from South Carolina. Allstate in MD is nearly triple the premium I paid in SC. Who around here gives more reasonable coverage? Thanks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 19:49:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1Q0mxXo010741; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:48:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1Q0mxBV010726; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:48:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:48:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2003 00:48:52.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[D51FE080:01C2DD30] >Or cheat and hop the Auto-Train with your scoot. Hopefully the >weather-guesser fear-mongering is for naught this time Get off in Waldo, FL and it's a breeze getting to Daytona... I've never done the auto train but I pass the stop everytime I hit Florida... which reminds me... I'm working towers in the Keys all next week... last time I was down there is was mid-summer... I worked in and around New Orleans one summer too... that REALLY sucked. seeya _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 19:58:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1Q0wOXo014193; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:58:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1Q0wO5h014182; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:58:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a001c2dd32$2b32fba0$c3702c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Adam Wah" , References: Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:58:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Data point - Auto-Train runs Lorton, Va. to Sanford, just north of Orlando. There are no intermediate stops. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Wah" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:48 PM > >Or cheat and hop the Auto-Train with your scoot. Hopefully the > >weather-guesser fear-mongering is for naught this time > > > > Get off in Waldo, FL and it's a breeze getting to Daytona... I've never done > the auto train but I pass the stop everytime I hit Florida... > > which reminds me... I'm working towers in the Keys all next week... last > time I was down there is was mid-summer... I worked in and around New > Orleans one summer too... that REALLY sucked. > > seeya > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 20:56:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1Q1u2Xo016692; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:56:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1Q1u1W4016682; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:56:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: mhmoore@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD insurance Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:44:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2003 01:44:26.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[98A25E00:01C2DD38] Try State Farm. Even better with car, bike, and home insurance. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Michael H. Moore" Reply-To: To: Subject: MD insurance Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:02:31 -0500 Hey everyone. I need to switch my insurance policy to Maryland from South Carolina. Allstate in MD is nearly triple the premium I paid in SC. Who around here gives more reasonable coverage? Thanks _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 21:00:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1Q20fXo018894; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:00:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1Q20fTn018887; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:00:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:11:35 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: MD insurance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Michael H. Moore wrote: > Hey everyone. I need to switch my insurance policy to Maryland from South > Carolina. Allstate in MD is nearly triple the premium I paid in SC. Who > around here gives more reasonable coverage? I'm using Motorcycle Services for my Hayabusa. I can give you the name/number of the broker that I used in Baltimore if you're interested. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 21:03:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1Q23NXo020045; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:03:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1Q23Nh3020030; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:03:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:02:57 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: March 1st (Sunday) ride anyone? To: carl@XXXXXX Cc: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E5C2051.279B58B3@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <3E5AFA34.DC07FEC0@carlparker.com> <0302250756370P.01066@XXXXXX> <3E5BB6CF.EE86CAFA@XXXXXX> <03022514353313.01066@XXXXXX> <3E5BD766.3CD7FAAA@XXXXXX> Carl Parker wrote: > > Ya'll should dig out yur' bikes! Can't you just hear them talking to you in the > middle of the night from their cold and wintery tombs: "Diiig me > oooout.....DIIIIG ME OOOUTTT! I'm getting flaaat spots! FLAAAT SPOTS! AND THE > FUEL IN THE CARBS IS STARTING TO VAAARNIIISH! VAARNISHHH! WOoooOOOooooH!" ;^I I literally did this just today. Had the bike on the back patio doing some maintenance, and it got snowed in - badly. Took quite a bit of digging to clear a path to "ride/walk alongside while feathering the clutch/push for dear life" to get it back out front. But I made it. Whew. A nice Sunday ride might be just what the doctor ordered. This winter has sucked. Maybe I'll be there. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 21:20:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1Q2KBXo023392; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:20:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1Q2KBL7023382; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:20:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5C245F.6000404@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:20:15 -0500 From: Bob Rapp Reply-To: bikn.bob@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pptc-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: '01 Volvo V70 T5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [138.88.115.71] at Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:20:00 -0600 Hi all, We need to sell our family car (see below) within the next 2 weeks (mini-van on order). I will repost this message each week until sold for those who are either digest readers or check email infrequently (others: please disregard). If not sold when the van is delivered (expected Mar. 10), we'll be forced to trade-in at the dealer or CARMAX. If seriously interested, please contact me directly via the phone or email listed below. Photos are available. Thanks, Bob Rapp +++++++++++++++++++ Specs: '01 Volvo V70 T5 (front-wheel drive, wagon): Classic Red; 247hp 5cyl. turbo motor; Auto. trans with manual mode; Navigation system with 2 CD set covering the East Coast; Leather seating with front power (3 driver memory) and heat; 56k miles with MileOne 100k Service Contract (transferable, $100 deductible); 17" sport wheels w/ new Dunlops; Integrated Child Booster Seats; Child third row seat (rear-facing); All-weather mats throughout; Cargo area net and cover; 52.k service completed at Herb Gordon Volvo (Silver Springs); Roof rails; CD/Cassette.; Dual climate control; Excellent Condition Asking $23000k Contact: Bob Rapp 301 717 0095 Email: bikn.bob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 21:33:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1Q2XBXo026902; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:33:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1Q2XBhV026892; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:33:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030225212857.009ffaa0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:30:30 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crystal City Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >At 07:00 PM 2/25/03, "William J. Huson" wrote: > >>I rode into Crystal City yesterday, worst spot was the bike parking at >>20th and >>Crystal Drive - ICE! Once again, I was the only bike there. It's not >>that bad >>on the roads if you go on red alert status fo icy spots and potholes, and >>take >>it easy.... > >Well, you could always come park under CP3 with us warm guys. 8;) Chris >and I've been there daily since last Thursday. > >The only ice I found was going home at 6:15, the delivery road around back >of the Crystal Park buildings. Not fun when it's just getting full dark. > >-- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 21:53:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1Q2rjXo029183; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:53:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1Q2rhhR029173; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:53:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5C2BF6.FE3056DE@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:52:38 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llarson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crystal City References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030225212857.009ffaa0@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > >At 07:00 PM 2/25/03, "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > >>I rode into Crystal City yesterday, worst spot was the bike parking at > >>20th and > >>Crystal Drive - ICE! Once again, I was the only bike there. It's not > >>that bad > >>on the roads if you go on red alert status fo icy spots and potholes, and > >>take > >>it easy.... > > > >Well, you could always come park under CP3 with us warm guys. 8;) Chris > >and I've been there daily since last Thursday. > > > >The only ice I found was going home at 6:15, the delivery road around back > >of the Crystal Park buildings. Not fun when it's just getting full dark. > > > >-- Larry I no longer have a parking permit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 22:21:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1Q3LZXo031526; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:21:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1Q3LU7A031496; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:21:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004f01c2dd46$1c38d110$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: Subject: Re: MD insurance Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:21:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79989dba7ef64915450dc87a4a9943ed4d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Hey everyone. I need to switch my insurance policy to Maryland from South > Carolina. Allstate in MD is nearly triple the premium I paid in SC. > > Thanks [Dave] You're not going to like this... Some MD residents may also not like it (please remember, I grew up there...) MD is the 'not so free' state, particularly as regards auto (or bike) insurance. Higher theft rates, higher vandalism, insurance fraud... Except for DC. OTOH, Virginia was supposed to be "Loads cheaper to insure" BAH! some pathetic amount like $30/year cheaper... Big whoop. Others have said - shop around, it pays... Also, don't just accept 1 quote from allstate, get more than 1... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 25 22:51:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1Q3pMXo002476; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:51:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1Q3pLne002466; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:51:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5C397E.29E67298@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:50:22 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD insurance References: <004f01c2dd46$1c38d110$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > > Hey everyone. I need to switch my insurance policy to Maryland from South > > Carolina. Allstate in MD is nearly triple the premium I paid in SC. > > > > Thanks > > [Dave] You're not going to like this... Some MD residents may also not > like it (please remember, I grew up there...) MD is the 'not so free' > state, particularly as regards auto (or bike) insurance. Higher theft > rates, higher vandalism, insurance fraud... Except for DC. OTOH, Virginia > was supposed to be "Loads cheaper to insure" BAH! some pathetic amount > like $30/year cheaper... Big whoop. > > Others have said - shop around, it pays... Also, don't just accept 1 quote > from allstate, get more than 1... > > Dave Virginia is okay. I pay about $350/yr for full coverage on the Hawg, but I'm older than dirt and the last time I got a ticket the trooper wrote it with a quill pen. Plus, I own a home with a garage, a plus for insurance rates that include theft and comp insurance. My other venue, North Carolina, is cheaper, but in NC one MUST have insurance to get a tag. Truth is, insurance companys seem to be better at vetting crappy drivers than states. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 07:11:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QCB5Xo007296; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:11:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QCB3eQ007284; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:11:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: March 2nd (Sunday) ride anyone? Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:11:17 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3E5AFA34.DC07FEC0@carlparker.com> <3E5BD766.3CD7FAAA@carlparker.com> <3E5C2051.279B58B3@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <3E5C2051.279B58B3@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03022607111718.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit By the way, Sunday is the second. Saturday is the first. According to the weather report, Saturday will be rain free and highs around 47. Sunday will be rainy. That's per the weather channel this morning. Carl On Tuesday 25 February 2003 21:02, Dale Horstman wrote: > Carl Parker wrote: > > Ya'll should dig out yur' bikes! Can't you just hear them talking to you > > in the middle of the night from their cold and wintery tombs: "Diiig me > > oooout.....DIIIIG ME OOOUTTT! I'm getting flaaat spots! FLAAAT SPOTS! > > AND THE FUEL IN THE CARBS IS STARTING TO VAAARNIIISH! VAARNISHHH! > > WOoooOOOooooH!" ;^I > > I literally did this just today. Had the bike on the back patio doing > some maintenance, and it got snowed in - badly. Took quite a bit of > digging > to clear a path to "ride/walk alongside while feathering the clutch/push > for dear life" > to get it back out front. But I made it. Whew. A nice Sunday ride > might be just > what the doctor ordered. This winter has sucked. > > Maybe I'll be there. > Horkster -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 07:28:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QCSiXo009566; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:28:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QCShKI009555; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:28:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:39:44 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: MD insurance In-Reply-To: <3E5C397E.29E67298@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > Virginia is okay. I pay about $350/yr for full coverage on the Hawg, but I'm > older than dirt and the last time I got a ticket the trooper wrote it with a > quill pen. Plus, I own a home with a garage, a plus for insurance rates that > include theft and comp insurance. I found that even with a clean driving record, there weren't any companies in MD that wanted to insure me for a reasonable amount of money. I am a homeowner and insure 8 vehicles (6 cars, 1 car trailer and my MC). FWIW, I'm very happy with my Allstate homeowners and auto coverage. Allstate was charging me ~$1200/yr when I first purchased my 'Busa. This wasn't even full coverage, just liability and comprehensive. At renewal, just a few months after I got my new bike, they wanted close to $4k/yr for full coverage. I called Progressive, State Farm (multiple agents), other Allstate agents, Geico, Erie and at least one other company. My Allstate agent ended up finding me a good broker and I got reasonable ($796/yr full coverage) rates. I kept my other insurance with Allstate, since my other rates are very reasonable. I thought about carrying only liability, but I worried about someone/something knocking the bike over and theft. Good luck, it's getting more and more difficult to get good inexpensive sportbike insurance in this area. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 08:12:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QDCuXo012021; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:12:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QDCtg9012010; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:12:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5CBD1C.DD1DFC2C@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:11:56 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD insurance References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > I found that even with a clean driving record, there weren't any companies > in MD that wanted to insure me for a reasonable amount of money. I am a > homeowner and insure 8 vehicles (6 cars, 1 car trailer and my MC). FWIW, > I'm very happy with my Allstate homeowners and auto coverage. > > Allstate was charging me ~$1200/yr when I first purchased my 'Busa. This > wasn't even full coverage, just liability and comprehensive. At renewal, > just a few months after I got my new bike, they wanted close to $4k/yr for > full coverage. > > I called Progressive, State Farm (multiple agents), other Allstate agents, > Geico, Erie and at least one other company. My Allstate agent ended up > finding me a good broker and I got reasonable ($796/yr full coverage) > rates. I kept my other insurance with Allstate, since my other rates are > very reasonable. > > I thought about carrying only liability, but I worried about > someone/something knocking the bike over and theft. > > Good luck, it's getting more and more difficult to get good inexpensive > sportbike insurance in this area. Keywords - sportbike and Busa. The only way the Hawg would break 100 is with a strong tailwind. Well, she might do 105, but not with my frightened ass on it. Sportbikes have a bad insurance rap. I'm not sure if the insurance actuaries have stats to back up their distaste for sportbikes, but from the stunt riding I've seen they probably do. I wonder if the insurance squibs have IGR numbers for bikes? Insurance Group Ratings. These reflect the ratio of accidents to number of vehicles of a particular model. Like a wimpy Dodge Omni gets a #1, lotsa cars, who in hell would steal one? But your average hot rod car would rank 11 or higher, with a Lambroghini scoring #164. State Farm has my insurance. Downside, they don't do "multiple bike" policys. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 08:53:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QDrmXo013663; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:53:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QDrmwl013653; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:53:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5CC64D.3935CA12@tasam.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:51:09 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sabmag , DC Cycles Subject: Bike for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit posting for a friend. I have pics if you want them. 1999 Honda Shadow Aero 1100 cc 1800 orginial miles Garage kept since brand new and never driven in the rain. Custom paint, chin guards, pipes, and light bar added. Custom Corbin seat, very comfortable. $6500.00 or best offer!!! Email or call me if interested of foward to anyone you think might be interested. Thanks, Jeff Jeff Miller CMC TIRE & SERVICE INC. Valdosta GA. 31602 (229)242-1117 (229)242-1113 fax From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 09:27:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QERxXo016174; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:27:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QERvZ3016164; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:27:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:27:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: oh what fun it is to drive... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Something to NOT do in your front wheel car... Do not find an unplowed and untreated, cleared out parking lot or similar obstruction free area. Do not as you're approaching a corner or place you'd like to make a turn, in said parking lot, pick up a tiny bit of speed. Futher, do NOT, as you go into said turn, snap your steering wheel in the direction you're intending to turn, and certainly do not even consider gently engaging the hand brake. If you avoid all of these things, your car will NOT break loose in the back and therefore, you will NOT find yourself gracefully sliding around the corner. Of course, You will also NOT be putting a grin on your face and fear of death and dismemberment into your passengers and random passers by. :-) Hell no I didn't ride in today. Nor did I do any brake slides around corners. Nope, not a one. Wouldn't think of it. Not me. Nope. Must have been someone else that looks like me. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 10:04:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QF4nXo018835; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:04:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QF4n0D018825; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:04:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15b.1c6e0870.2b8e3180@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:04:32 EST Subject: Re: best place to find used bikes? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/25/2003 11:39:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > I > should have smelled trouble when step one to install new plugs was "Remove > the > fuel tank." If you think that is bad (it is common) you should see the instructions for replacing the _rear_ and I mean _REAR_ brake cable on a Honda Helix. I begins, I swear, "Remove _front_ fender! And you in fact have to remove it to do the job. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 10:05:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QF5AXo018893; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:05:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QF5Aag018883; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:05:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030226150500.86660.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:05:00 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: who rode today To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I did, and went into skids 3 times at very low speeds on a 4.5 mile trip. I will not be riding home. jib __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 10:09:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QF9JXo022326; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:09:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QF9IJH022317; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:09:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <16e.1b3b4bec.2b8e3296@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:09:10 EST Subject: Re: Riding to New Orleans tomorrow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/25/2003 12:12:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Off 81 you'll pick up 40 to 75 Just remember that the road tends to stay clear far longer then the exit ramps. Got myself into a really interesting situation by forgetting that once. (Back when the ST was brand friggin new.) #:-0 > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 10:19:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QFJ6Xo023519; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:19:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QFJ6As023509; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:19:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <163.1c67d5c9.2b8e34df@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:18:55 EST Subject: Re: Bike train To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/25/2003 7:49:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, hotrivet@XXXXXX writes: > Get off in Waldo, FL and it's a breeze getting to Daytona... I've never done > the auto train I have, it was lovely*. The only suggestion I would make is if you have a bike with a wide fairing that prevents putting ties onto your handlebars you bring your own (ah hell I forget what they are called, the straps that go from one grip to the other to allow straps to hook to the ends of your bars.) They will allow you to tie your own bike in, just asking you to sign a paper saying you did it yourself with your own equipment. *My wife and I went the private cabin route, very nice, but the seats in coach looked like they would be _very_ comfy. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 10:24:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QFOJXo024684; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:24:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QFOJkt024674; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:24:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5CDBEE.227B2F91@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:23:26 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike train References: <163.1c67d5c9.2b8e34df@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > I have, it was lovely*. The only suggestion I would make is if you have a > bike with a wide fairing that prevents putting ties onto your handlebars you > bring your own (ah hell I forget what they are called, the straps that go > from one grip to the other to allow straps to hook to the ends of your bars.) > They will allow you to tie your own bike in, just asking you to sign a paper > saying you did it yourself with your own equipment. > > *My wife and I went the private cabin route, very nice, but the seats in > coach looked like they would be _very_ comfy. So how much do they charge for a bike and passenger? Sarasota bound end of March... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 10:26:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QFQlXo025823; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:26:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QFQlcD025816; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:26:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: For Sale Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:23:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'll give it a shot too. Don't let the year shock you, these are quality rides. FOR SALE 1978 BMW R80/7s - (798cc, BMW series 7 ) Classic Black with blue pin stripes, turn key, runs great, 52mpg, 32k miles . Garage kept, Dyna electronic ignition, new shocks, new gel battery, tank bag, Corbin seat, original seat and rail plus a Reynolds passenger backrest, J.C. Whitney wind screen and other goodies. Haynes manual, small original BMW tool kit. Photos available upon request, can email. Contact 703.330.3620 It's in good shape, runs great... asking $3000* *can work trades into the deal. I'm partial to quality handguns, but will take shotguns too. Reason for selling: I'm moving and it looks like a bike won't be an option. So rather than having sit around in storage for 3 years.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 10:32:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QFWLXo028222; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:32:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QFWKEx028207; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:32:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who rode today Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:32:28 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030226150500.86660.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030226150500.86660.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0302261032281E.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 26 February 2003 10:05, Isaac Blanck wrote: > I did, and went into skids 3 times at very low speeds > on a 4.5 mile trip. I will not be riding home. jib > I thought about it since they were only calling for a dusting today with the big storm for later and tomorrow last night. This morning they said light snow but apparently TOP was calling for 6 inches. Carl -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 10:53:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QFrdXo029557; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:53:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QFrcpN029547; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:53:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000c01c2ddaf$6add52a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , Cc: References: <163.1c67d5c9.2b8e34df@aol.com> <3E5CDBEE.227B2F91@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Bike train Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:54:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I just checked yesterday -- covering all bases dontchaknow. The Auto-Train quoted one-way fare (800+ miles of I-95 in one sitting is not my idea of a good time) Sanford-Lorton was about $220, including 25% discount for booking on-line on the rail fare portion only. That's for a coach seat + scoot. Motorcycle carriage was $109. Sleeper will set you back more. Meals are included, even in coach, which is not the case on other Amtrak trains. The Florida terminal is in Sanford, just north of Orlando and not far from Daytona. Fares vary according to time of year and the direction you're going. If you're in full snow-bird season, the fares are higher. I'm considering taking the train back this year, which effectively gives me another day of fun in the sun in lieu of slogging up 95, but the IronButt folks might revoke my membership for such dalliances. Bill might be eligible for an AARP discount. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Bike train > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I have, it was lovely*. The only suggestion I would make is if you have a > > bike with a wide fairing that prevents putting ties onto your handlebars you > > bring your own (ah hell I forget what they are called, the straps that go > > from one grip to the other to allow straps to hook to the ends of your bars.) > > They will allow you to tie your own bike in, just asking you to sign a paper > > saying you did it yourself with your own equipment. > > > > *My wife and I went the private cabin route, very nice, but the seats in > > coach looked like they would be _very_ comfy. > > So how much do they charge for a bike and passenger? > > Sarasota bound end of March... > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 11:10:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QGAcXo031880; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:10:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QGAZWR031870; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:10:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:10:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200302261110.AA820249216@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: who rode today X-Mailer: I did, but skids in a sidecar rig are not a really big deal - kind of like in a car. Definitely something icy/slippery under that snow. Perhaps the first layer fell wet, or melted or something. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Isaac Blanck Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:05:00 -0800 (PST) >I did, and went into skids 3 times at very low speeds >on a 4.5 mile trip. I will not be riding home. jib > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 11:51:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QGpbXo000804; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:51:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QGpaJP000794; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:51:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5CF05F.79625962@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:50:40 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike train References: <163.1c67d5c9.2b8e34df@aol.com> <3E5CDBEE.227B2F91@patriot.net> <000c01c2ddaf$6add52a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > I just checked yesterday -- covering all bases dontchaknow. The Auto-Train > quoted one-way fare (800+ miles of I-95 in one sitting is not my idea of a > good time) Sanford-Lorton was about $220, including 25% discount for booking > on-line on the rail fare portion only. That's for a coach seat + scoot. > Motorcycle carriage was $109. Sleeper will set you back more. Meals are > included, even in coach, which is not the case on other Amtrak trains. The > Florida terminal is in Sanford, just north of Orlando and not far from > Daytona. Fares vary according to time of year and the direction you're > going. If you're in full snow-bird season, the fares are higher. > > I'm considering taking the train back this year, which effectively gives me > another day of fun in the sun in lieu of slogging up 95, but the IronButt > folks might revoke my membership for such dalliances. > > Bill might be eligible for an AARP discount. :) > > Paul in DC Har har har. But I haven't joined the AARP! I thought about it but Milady screamed "You're not *that* old!" Well, yes I am, but admitting I am would mean that she's ... nonono, I ain't gonna say it. So I'm figuring about $300+ for one-way Auto-Train. Reckon I'll just ride. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 12:19:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QHJ1Xo003238; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:19:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QHJ1jD003228; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:19:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5CF6D0.1BBEC46@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:18:08 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Travel tips? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When chugging across the country one needs a few heads up on local laws and customs. Several websites and motorcycle organizations offer compilations of motorcycle specific laws which can be handy. And I have a chart which gives me average temps and rainfall for states. There's even sites that list scenic highways. And for those of you who like to party with the babes, there's a website that lists age of consent by states. Don't forget to ask for ID :-) But I haven't found the list I'd like to have. Alcohol laws. This would have to be by state, county, and city, since local law can supercede state law. Nothing worse than getting tied down in Fundieburg after a long day on the highway and discover you can't even buy, beg, or borrow a frigging drink! The obvious solution is to carry my own booze. But it would be my crappy luck to be stopped by a fatwad Sheriff in Cuzinfug County who has painful hemorrhoids and just discovered his wife has been banging a biker. Legal or not, the discovery of my jugga Glenlivit or K-Bar knife would be trouble in a land where good ol' boy justice rules. So does anyone know a website that covers booze laws? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 13:01:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QI10Xo006878; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:01:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QI0vAR006868; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:00:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030226180048.56108.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:00:48 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: For Sale To: "Bruhl, George LT" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a buddy who would love that bike. Unfortunately, he is in Kuwait right now strutting around in a funny green hat trying to impress the local women in burkas. He might have a hard time getting the money to you. :^) Todd --- "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > I'll give it a shot too. > Don't let the year shock you, these are quality > rides. > FOR SALE > > 1978 BMW R80/7s - (798cc, BMW series 7 ) Classic > Black with blue pin > stripes, turn key, runs great, 52mpg, 32k miles . > Garage kept, Dyna > electronic ignition, new shocks, new gel battery, > tank bag, Corbin seat, > original seat and rail plus a Reynolds passenger > backrest, J.C. Whitney wind > screen and other goodies. Haynes manual, small > original BMW tool kit. Photos > available upon request, can email. Contact > 703.330.3620 It's in good shape, > runs great... asking $3000* > *can work trades into the deal. I'm partial to > quality handguns, but will > take shotguns too. > Reason for selling: I'm moving and it looks like a > bike won't be an option. > So rather than having sit around in storage for 3 > years.... > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 13:24:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QIOpXo009195; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:24:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QIOobO009185; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:24:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030226182423.10157.qmail@web40910.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:24:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Friend looking at some used bikes To: Mrsvaleriemartin@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A friend of mine was recently looking at used bikes at Coleman's. She passed the MSF course last year and is looking for a good beater bike to improve her skills with before getting on to her "real" bike. Here's what she sent me: - - - - - Hey, by the way I saw a Yamaha Virago for $2600 the bike has 4500 miles and is a 2001 is this a good deal? What about a Suzuki Katana 600 with 4000 miles and it is a 2001 selling for $2400? These bikes are at Coleman Power in Falls Church and I wanted to put a deposit on them before (according to the SALES PERSON) they are scooped up by another buyer - he is giving me 24 hrs to put the deposit on them (one for me (Virgao- I love this one and the other one is for my husband - you can see that the Katana has been dropped - both sides - cracked frame) but we just want good used bikes - - - - - - I never actually bought a bike from the Falls Church store, so while I told her a little about their rep (some people on the list seem to have some strong feelings about them) I couldn't give her first hand experience, except for "Be Careful!" Also, I don't have the lastest used bike value guide. What do you people think? I've included Valerie in on this message, please copy her in with your replies. Louis __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 13:37:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QIb2Xo012711; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:37:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QIb2Gu012701; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:37:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030226183659.98711.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:36:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Friend looking at some used bikes To: "Louis F. Caplan" , Mrsvaleriemartin@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030226182423.10157.qmail@web40910.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii PLEASE do not be pressured by salesmens BS. Even if these bikes are great, good used bikes are around ALL THE TIME. THere is no need to feel pressure. Coleman has a horrbile repuation in this area. From sales, to service and accessories, those in the know hate them. Mark --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > A friend of mine was recently looking at used bikes > at Coleman's. She passed > the MSF course last year and is looking for a good > beater bike to improve her > skills with before getting on to her "real" bike. > > Here's what she sent me: > > - - - - - > Hey, by the way I saw a Yamaha Virago for $2600 the > bike has 4500 miles and is > a 2001 is this a good deal? What about a Suzuki > Katana 600 with 4000 miles and > it is a 2001 selling for $2400? > > These bikes are at Coleman Power in Falls Church and > I wanted to put a deposit > on them before (according to the SALES PERSON) they > are scooped up by another > buyer - he is giving me 24 hrs to put the deposit on > them (one for me (Virgao- > I love this one and the other one is for my husband > - you can see that the > Katana has been dropped - both sides - cracked > frame) but we just want good > used bikes > - - - - - - > > I never actually bought a bike from the Falls Church > store, so while I told her > a little about their rep (some people on the list > seem to have some strong > feelings about them) I couldn't give her first hand > experience, except for "Be > Careful!" Also, I don't have the lastest used bike > value guide. What do you > people think? I've included Valerie in on this > message, please copy her in > with your replies. > > Louis > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 14:04:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QJ4AXo015060; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:04:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QJ49rL015048; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:04:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: To: "Louis F. Caplan" , Mrsvaleriemartin@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Friend looking at some used bikes Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:04:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030226190403.RLBC22825.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> > > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > Date: 2003/02/26 Wed PM 01:24:23 EST > To: Mrsvaleriemartin@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles > Subject: Friend looking at some used bikes > > A friend of mine was recently looking at used bikes at Coleman's. She passed > the MSF course last year and is looking for a good beater bike to improve her > skills with before getting on to her "real" bike. > > Here's what she sent me: > > - - - - - > Hey, by the way I saw a Yamaha Virago for $2600 the bike has 4500 miles and is > a 2001 is this a good deal? What about a Suzuki Katana 600 with 4000 miles and > it is a 2001 selling for $2400? > > These bikes are at Coleman Power in Falls Church and I wanted to put a deposit > on them before (according to the SALES PERSON) they are scooped up by another > buyer - he is giving me 24 hrs to put the deposit on them (one for me (Virgao- > I love this one and the other one is for my husband - you can see that the > Katana has been dropped - both sides - cracked frame) but we just want good > used bikes ...ye GAD! I *hope* you don't actually mean a cracked FRAME! If it's got a cracked frame,the bike isn't worth half that price. ...personally, I wouldn't buy a pair of gloves from them much less a bike. They're thieves and if they're selling those bikes for that much, you can rest assured they're overpriced. Don't let the dealer push you into buying a bike..especially right now. I'm mean..for gods sake..*it's snowing outside*. How long can the lines be to buy a bike? Right now is a great time to negotiate prices/bikes. This dealer sounds like some of those timeshare salesdroids, "you MUST buy it now! I can't hold it long! Going fast!" sheesh...Coleman...now I feel like I have to take a shower. ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 14:04:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QJ4eXo015111; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:04:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QJ4e27015106; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:04:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZrHJx3rgmbkTd+Ij1Lmta0kkGOodZphLpcfJOLeeK6O+yT28UCraku29zStgziTcc= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Friend looking at some used bikes Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:04:37 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010EF7@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830C1079@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Importance: Normal Go to www.cycletrader.com and do a search on the model and year for a quick price check. Don't limit yourself to this geographical area, because there might not be any of that model/year for sale. I don't know Viragos, but Katanas haven't changed in *years*. So any low mileage 600 Katana is essentially identical (with the exception of BNG, of course). Personally, any sales guy who does the "put a deposit on NOW" tactic on me loses the sale on principle. If I just had to have that bike after I did my research, I would use another salesman. That said, I don't like Coleman for a variety of reasons; any "good deal" would have to be scrutinized. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:24 PM To: Mrsvaleriemartin@XXXXXX; DC-Cycles Subject: Friend looking at some used bikes A friend of mine was recently looking at used bikes at Coleman's. She passed the MSF course last year and is looking for a good beater bike to improve her skills with before getting on to her "real" bike. Here's what she sent me: - - - - - Hey, by the way I saw a Yamaha Virago for $2600 the bike has 4500 miles and is a 2001 is this a good deal? What about a Suzuki Katana 600 with 4000 miles and it is a 2001 selling for $2400? These bikes are at Coleman Power in Falls Church and I wanted to put a deposit on them before (according to the SALES PERSON) they are scooped up by another buyer - he is giving me 24 hrs to put the deposit on them (one for me (Virgao- I love this one and the other one is for my husband - you can see that the Katana has been dropped - both sides - cracked frame) but we just want good used bikes - - - - - - I never actually bought a bike from the Falls Church store, so while I told her a little about their rep (some people on the list seem to have some strong feelings about them) I couldn't give her first hand experience, except for "Be Careful!" Also, I don't have the lastest used bike value guide. What do you people think? I've included Valerie in on this message, please copy her in with your replies. Louis __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 14:11:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QJBKXo018464; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:11:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QJBKDM018448; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:11:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbgnDPtyxmzplW/Md7DlFImCz3Wzl88ru2MLt1J870/Devns9Pe33jRDsN95zq+LQY= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Friend looking at some used bikes Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:11:17 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E2179@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830C108A@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Importance: Normal I missed that part. I assume the frame isn't cracked. Hmmm...a crashed bike at Coleman's...what a deal. ---------aki wrote: ...ye GAD! I *hope* you don't actually mean a cracked FRAME! If it's got a cracked frame,the bike isn't worth half that price. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 14:22:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QJMBXo021832; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:22:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QJMBkx021822; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:22:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Mrsvaleriemartin@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking at some used bikes Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:22:23 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030226182423.10157.qmail@web40910.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030226182423.10157.qmail@web40910.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0302261422231I.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I doubt it's a cracked frame. You're probably talking about the plastic being dinged up based on the rest of the statements. A cracked frame is pretty serious. >From a quick scan of ebay, the prices seem to be about right. A good condition Katana is going for about double that price. High pressure motorcycle salemen during a snowstorm is grounds for a walk out, but that's me. There are a couple of used motorcycle magazines at the 7/11 as well as several on-line. That it's Coleman's and with the salesman, I'd give it two thumbs down and hunt around a bit more. There appear to be several used bike shops in the area from the recent list activity. Carl On Wednesday 26 February 2003 13:24, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > A friend of mine was recently looking at used bikes at Coleman's. She > passed the MSF course last year and is looking for a good beater bike to > improve her skills with before getting on to her "real" bike. > > Here's what she sent me: > > - - - - - > Hey, by the way I saw a Yamaha Virago for $2600 the bike has 4500 miles and > is a 2001 is this a good deal? What about a Suzuki Katana 600 with 4000 > miles and it is a 2001 selling for $2400? > > These bikes are at Coleman Power in Falls Church and I wanted to put a > deposit on them before (according to the SALES PERSON) they are scooped up > by another buyer - he is giving me 24 hrs to put the deposit on them (one > for me (Virgao- I love this one and the other one is for my husband - you > can see that the Katana has been dropped - both sides - cracked frame) but > we just want good used bikes > - - - - - - > > I never actually bought a bike from the Falls Church store, so while I told > her a little about their rep (some people on the list seem to have some > strong feelings about them) I couldn't give her first hand experience, > except for "Be Careful!" Also, I don't have the lastest used bike value > guide. What do you people think? I've included Valerie in on this > message, please copy her in with your replies. > > Louis > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 14:37:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QJbYXo024138; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:37:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QJbXKt024123; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:37:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <6265357.1046288250197.JavaMail.freecat@mac.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:37:30 -0500 From: Stephen Miller To: Jon Strang Subject: RE: Friend looking at some used bikes Cc: "'" , DC Cycles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hate to admit it, but I actually bought my bike from Coleman. And they did indeed try the deposit BS on me. The solution was simple. I refused to make a deposit and said I'd just go to another dealer. It took approximately 5 minutes for them to call me back and offer to waive the "mandatory" deposit. They tried other nonsense as well, but all you have to do is explain to them that you don't NEED a bike right away, and you'd rather shop around than put up with deposits, other fees, working around THEIR schedule, etc. On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 02:04PM, Jon Strang wrote: >Personally, any sales guy who does the "put a deposit on NOW" tactic on >me loses the sale on principle. If I just had to have that bike after I >did my research, I would use another salesman. > >That said, I don't like Coleman for a variety of reasons; any "good >deal" would have to be scrutinized. > >--jon > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 14:44:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QJiCXo026384; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:44:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QJiCo0026374; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:44:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:55:06 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: who rode today In-Reply-To: <20030226150500.86660.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Isaac Blanck wrote: > I did, and went into skids 3 times at very low speeds > on a 4.5 mile trip. I will not be riding home. jib Why would you ride in on a day like today? Making a statement only goes so far. At some point the brain has to kick in and tell you that this is not a good idea. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 14:45:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QJjOXo026438; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:45:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QJjNCU026432; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:45:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:44:52 -0500 From: Jpr2586@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: sv seca talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <58F9EB00.7D5278EA.00183101@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hey all, long time reader first time writer here. i wanted to get in on the sv and seca II talk. that is the exact move i took. i went from a seca II to a 2001 svs. the sv is great, it is fun light fast nimble and very buildable. i believe that the seca was a grea bike to begin riding on. it has enough power to wake you up and is comfortable and easily controlled. the sv is like its logical next step. it has all of the good qualities of the yamaha just add more power, handling,and like i read earlier stacks of parts to add to make it your own! the lack of buildability is the only real reason i sold the seca. oh and that i flat fell in love with the first svs i saw! have fun!! shane From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 14:49:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QJngXo030990; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:49:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QJng9g030979; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:49:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030226194939.7059.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:49:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: sv seca talk To: Jpr2586@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <58F9EB00.7D5278EA.00183101@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii welcome --- Jpr2586@XXXXXX wrote: > hey all, > long time reader first time writer here. i wanted > to get in on the sv and seca II talk. that is the > exact move i took. i went from a seca II to a 2001 > svs. the sv is great, it is fun light fast nimble > and very buildable. i believe that the seca was a > grea bike to begin riding on. it has enough power > to wake you up and is comfortable and easily > controlled. the sv is like its logical next step. > it has all of the good qualities of the yamaha just > add more power, handling,and like i read earlier > stacks of parts to add to make it your own! the > lack of buildability is the only real reason i sold > the seca. oh and that i flat fell in love with the > first svs i saw! > have fun!! > shane > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 15:24:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QKO8Xo002068; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:24:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QKO6W5002058; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:24:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008601c2ddd5$34a07a20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Wayne Edelen" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: who rode today Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:24:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yeah, I decided discretion was the better part of valor (or pusillanimity, take your pick) and drove the tin lizzy this morning. After the rear of the car wiggled on me making a couple of turns in the 'hood, I was glad I opted for two extra tires and some VW tin for protection. Still, it took 30 minutes just to get to the 14th St. bridge as all the cagers went into full panic mode. Definitely the commute from hell this morning. The snow looked relatively harmless at first, but in untreated areas it formed an icy glaze. Not a good environment for a bike. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: Re: who rode today > On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Isaac Blanck wrote: > > > I did, and went into skids 3 times at very low speeds > > on a 4.5 mile trip. I will not be riding home. jib > > Why would you ride in on a day like today? Making a statement only goes > so far. At some point the brain has to kick in and tell you that this is > not a good idea. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 15:28:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QKSrXo003223; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:28:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QKSrlK003216; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:28:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D31@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: who rode today Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:28:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As someone who's entertained scores of evening rush hour Georgetown commuters by sliding my F3 down Wisconsin avenue (alternating each side) and spending the next six months perusing Ebay ads for replacement bodywork, I concur with Wayne. Unless of course you are curious about the quantity of wet snow a Metro bus can spew upon a prone rider. :) Cedric Bernescut Network Administrator Why would you ride in on a day like today? Making a statement only goes so far. At some point the brain has to kick in and tell you that this is not a good idea. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 16:04:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QL4EXo006735; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:04:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QL4DMO006725; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:04:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <0b8b01c2ddda$84d006f0$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , , "DC-Cycles" References: <20030226182423.10157.qmail@web40910.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Friend looking at some used bikes Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:58:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 If she wants a Katana or a Virago, Cycles USA has both those and I believe cheaper. Have her call Steve and tell them Scott sent you. (301) 460-1600. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: ; "DC-Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Friend looking at some used bikes > A friend of mine was recently looking at used bikes at Coleman's. She passed > the MSF course last year and is looking for a good beater bike to improve her > skills with before getting on to her "real" bike. > > Here's what she sent me: > > - - - - - > Hey, by the way I saw a Yamaha Virago for $2600 the bike has 4500 miles and is > a 2001 is this a good deal? What about a Suzuki Katana 600 with 4000 miles and > it is a 2001 selling for $2400? > > These bikes are at Coleman Power in Falls Church and I wanted to put a deposit > on them before (according to the SALES PERSON) they are scooped up by another > buyer - he is giving me 24 hrs to put the deposit on them (one for me (Virgao- > I love this one and the other one is for my husband - you can see that the > Katana has been dropped - both sides - cracked frame) but we just want good > used bikes > - - - - - - > > I never actually bought a bike from the Falls Church store, so while I told her > a little about their rep (some people on the list seem to have some strong > feelings about them) I couldn't give her first hand experience, except for "Be > Careful!" Also, I don't have the lastest used bike value guide. What do you > people think? I've included Valerie in on this message, please copy her in > with your replies. > > Louis > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 16:12:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QLCvXo009007; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:12:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QLCtWQ008992; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:12:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: "'Mrsvaleriemartin@XXXXXX '" , "'DC-Cycles '" X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: lholland@XXXXXX X-MESINK_MailFor: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Laurie Holland subject: RE: Friend looking at some used bikes Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:11:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" x-receiver: dc-cycles@XXXXXX x-sender: lholland@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1QLCsXo008975 Like the others, I would stay away from Coleman's. Definitely check out the Post for bike ads (there's been more and more lately), w/ most ads being posted on the weekend. Cycletrader is a good start as well. Also, a GREAT shop to deal with is MFI off of PWP in Woodbridge. Sometimes they have a few used bikes sitting outside. You could even give them a call and see what they might have instead of going there. http://www.motorcyclefactoryinc.com/ 703.583.9600 I just looked at their site and they have a section for used bikes, but pro'ly nothing she might want. Never hurts to keep checking though. Laurie -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan A friend of mine was recently looking at used bikes at Coleman's. She passed the MSF course last year and is looking for a good beater bike to improve her skills with before getting on to her "real" bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 16:42:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QLgoXo011411; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:42:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QLgnOK011401; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:42:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030226213937.2288.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:39:37 -0800 (PST) From: patti rodgers Subject: RE: Friend looking at some used bikes To: Jon Strang , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010EF7@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Don't limit yourself to this geographical area, because there might not be any of that model/year for sale. \ FWIW and I am surprised not to have seen it mentioned here, I'm partial to eBay for buying bikes. I've bought 3 that way (most recently the world's most rusty broke-down Triumph) and always had good experiences. You have to know what you are bidding on, though, and either factor in the shipping, which can be a lot on a bike, or your time spent going to get it. But I've gotten really great deals, saved a lot of money, and found a better selection than sticking to the DC area. Now... if I only had a sandblaster for the Triumph! I'm *sure* there's a bike under all that rust, somewhere... -patti __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 17:04:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QM4WXo013820; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:04:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QM4V8v013810; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:04:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Friend looking at some used bikes Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:04:24 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409304@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Friend looking at some used bikes Thread-Index: AcLd4C7iRPwhYZGTQMSILzgL/kayaQAAiagh From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "patti rodgers" , "Jon Strang" , "DC Cycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1QM4UXo013798 When using Ebay, don't rely solely on your bid to "win" Ebay auctions. Sometimes people put up poor descriptions, no pictures, and a high reserve price so no one wins the auction. It's worthwhile contacting the sellers of the bikes you are interested in and making an offer. That's how I got my bike: after initial rejection of the offer, the seller contacted me a week or two later. I left it up to him to ride it up from Richmond for my inspection and after I made sure everything looks sound, we exchanged paperwork/money. Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 FWIW and I am surprised not to have seen it mentioned here, I'm partial to eBay for buying bikes. I've bought 3 that way (most recently the world's most rusty broke-down Triumph) and always had good experiences. You have to know what you are bidding on, though, and either factor in the shipping, which can be a lot on a bike, or your time spent going to get it. But I've gotten really great deals, saved a lot of money, and found a better selection than sticking to the DC area. -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 17:17:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QMHlXo016152; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:17:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QMHlWR016142; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:17:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:35:36 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Friend looking at some used bikes In-Reply-To: <20030226213937.2288.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, patti rodgers wrote: > FWIW and I am surprised not to have seen it mentioned > here, I'm partial to eBay for buying bikes. I've IMO, unless someone was located near the bike I was bidding on, I'd skip Ebay. There have been several guys on suzukihayabusa.org that have seen pictures from their websites put up on Ebay and listing their bikes for sale. Ebay takes weeks to respond to complaints and then all they do is close the auction. There is a lot of fraud on Ebay due to the nature of the online auction. I'd rather get touchy-feely with something that I'm going to spend thousands of dollars purchasing. Just my .02. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 17:19:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QMJUXo017321; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:19:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QMJUgX017310; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:19:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030226221927.7866.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:19:27 -0800 (PST) From: patti rodgers Subject: RE: Friend looking at some used bikes To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409304@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>When using Ebay, don't rely solely on your bid >>to "win" Ebay auctions. >>Sometimes people put up poor descriptions, no >>pictures, and a high >>reserve price so no one wins the auction. It's >>worthwhile contacting the >>sellers of the bikes you are interested in and >>making an offer. I agree. It's also a good idea to not believe everything you see; ask a *lot* of questions before you bid. If you can get a chance to see the bike before the end of the auction, do it. I know this might not always be feasible, especially if the bike is not local. But in that case, make some sort of deal with the seller that if you are not satisfied, you don't complete the sale. Ebay has some really great stuff but it is definitely Buyer Beware! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 17:48:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1QMmNXo020833; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:48:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1QMmM8a020823; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:48:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <024401c2dde9$5c5b4900$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , "patti rodgers" , "Jon Strang" , "DC Cycles" References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409304@rnc1.rnchq.org> Subject: Re: Friend looking at some used bikes Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:45:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 That's sorta how I got the VF; except the eBay seller made me the offer. I was high bid on it, but it didn't make reserve, so the seller agreed to bring it up to DC and offer it to me for what I bid on it, subject to my inspection. He drove it up in his truck, I took it for a spin, I liked what I saw, Ben Franklins and a title changed hands. The seller lived on the Eastern Shore and was willing to bring the bike to me. So I got a much better deal than if I had bid to "win" the auction. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" > > When using Ebay, don't rely solely on your bid to "win" Ebay auctions. Sometimes people put up poor descriptions, no pictures, and a high reserve price so no one wins the auction. It's worthwhile contacting the sellers of the bikes you are interested in and making an offer. That's how I got my bike: after initial rejection of the offer, the seller contacted me a week or two later. I left it up to him to ride it up from Richmond for my inspection and after I made sure everything looks sound, we exchanged paperwork/money. > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 19:41:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1R0f3Xo029262; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:41:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1R0f0P3029250; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:41:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030226193033.028ee730@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:31:53 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Friend looking at some used bikes In-Reply-To: <20030226213937.2288.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010EF7@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:39 PM 2/26/03 -0800, patti rodgers wrote: >FWIW and I am surprised not to have seen it mentioned >here, I'm partial to eBay for buying bikes. Well, I _did_ mention that I had scanned e-bay to verify prices. But no, I didn't actually say to use e-bay. An experienced rider would find a good deal but someone buying their first bike may not. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 20:29:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1R1TkXo031731; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:29:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1R1Tjgj031721; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:29:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030227012941.65530.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:29:41 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Friend looking at some used bikes To: patti rodgers , Jon Strang , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030226213937.2288.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This person might also want to check out: http://www.cyclecity1.com/ I bought my bike from them, even though they're in Pennsylvania. They were easy to work with long-distance and they were very honest and straightforward. They brought the bike by truck and the driver did all the paperwork. Very easy. I got a smokin' deal too, as George Cole or Chuck Pena can tell you. They have all their used bikes on their web page with photos. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 20:58:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1R1woXo001739; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:58:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1R1whde001703; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:58:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030227015826.51453.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: patti rodgers Subject: Re: Friend looking at some used bikes To: Paul Wilson , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <024401c2dde9$5c5b4900$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>I got a much >>better deal than if I had bid to "win" the auction. Yep, you have to avoid getting too emotionally attached to the auctions. I can't believe some of the prices people pay for stuff simply because someone else is trying to get it too! But there are some very good deals to be had if you look around. Carl makes a very good point that a less experienced rider will need some guidance. True of buying any used bike, to be sure. But eBay does require a little extra caution. I guess what it comes down to is know what you want, how much you want to pay for it, and how far you want to go to get it. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 21:28:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1R2SLXo004093; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:28:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1R2SKN3004083; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:28:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5D7765.4000903@erols.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:26:45 -0500 From: Steve Price User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Friend looking at some used bikes References: <20030227015826.51453.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got a real nice 87 VFR700 I'd like to sell. If your interested contact me off the list Thanks Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 26 23:37:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1R4baXo006928; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:37:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1R4bZ4K006918; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:37:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767AA207@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: who rode today Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:30:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain I did too. Wasn't bad. Fun and games stopped when I came out and the ignition was frozen. :-/ Hoofed it to CVS, bought a 2 pack of adjustable lighters, flame broiled the key, stuck it in, and eventually it warmed the guts enough to turn. Not before I froze my fingers and got snow in my helmet, though. Ah well. Made it home. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: who rode today I did, but skids in a sidecar rig are not a really big deal - kind of like in a car. Definitely something icy/slippery under that snow. Perhaps the first layer fell wet, or melted or something. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message From: Isaac Blanck >I did, and went into skids 3 times at very low speeds From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 01:07:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1R67IXo009568; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 01:07:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1R67HoE009556; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 01:07:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD insurance Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 01:06:28 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3E5CBD1C.DD1DFC2C@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E5CBD1C.DD1DFC2C@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1R67GXo009544 I would double check that. I've had mulitple bikes with state farm. >State Farm has my insurance. Downside, they don't do "multiple bike" policys. > >Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 01:08:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1R68QXo009618; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 01:08:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1R68Qm4009610; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 01:08:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Daniel H. Brown" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: oh what fun it is to drive... Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 01:07:37 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1R68PXo009598 Damn now you tell me not too!!!! Parking like that looks cool too. (of curse without cars around) On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:27:49 -0500 (EST), "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > > >Something to NOT do in your front wheel car... > >Do not find an unplowed and untreated, cleared out parking lot or similar >obstruction free area. > >Do not as you're approaching a corner or place you'd like to make a turn, >in said parking lot, pick up a tiny bit of speed. Futher, do NOT, as you >go into said turn, snap your steering wheel in the direction you're >intending to turn, and certainly do not even consider gently engaging the >hand brake. If you avoid all of these things, your car will NOT break >loose in the back and therefore, you will NOT find yourself gracefully >sliding around the corner. Of course, You will also NOT be putting a grin >on your face and fear of death and dismemberment into your passengers and >random passers by. > >:-) > >Hell no I didn't ride in today. Nor did I do any brake slides around >corners. Nope, not a one. Wouldn't think of it. Not me. Nope. Must >have been someone else that looks like me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 06:56:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RBuTXo016100; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:56:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RBuR0v016090; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:56:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD insurance Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:56:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3E5CBD1C.DD1DFC2C@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0302270656411M.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have three bikes on my state farm insurance now with no problems (must have missed the comment while on vacation). Carl On Thursday 27 February 2003 01:06, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > I would double check that. I've had mulitple bikes with state farm. > > >State Farm has my insurance. Downside, they don't do "multiple bike" > > policys. > > > >Bill -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 07:02:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RC21Xo017285; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:02:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RC21iF017270; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:02:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <54E17D8E554DD5118224001083FDBAD91032171C@hqbmdomsg01.bmdo.osd.mil> From: Dusty.Schilling@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Crysatl City Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:03:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" --- snip --- > >At 07:00 PM 2/25/03, "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > >>I rode into Crystal City yesterday, worst spot was the bike parking at > >>20th and > >>Crystal Drive - ICE! Once again, I was the only bike there. -------- snip ---- > >Well, you could always come park under CP3 with us warm guys. 8;) Chris > >and I've been there daily since last Thursday. > >-- Larry Although I primarly work in the Navy Annex in Arlington, about once a week I visit offices in Crystal City (CM4) and park in the 20th and Crystal Drive for a few hours .... there was indeed only one other bike while I parked in CC on Monday ... and none all in the Annex either Monday or Tuesday. After that .... I gave up and drove the car! S.L. "Dusty" Schilling Blacksburg & Alexandria, VA Silver 2002 Concours COG 4899/99A From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 07:54:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RCsRXo022074; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:54:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RCsQlg022064; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:54:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD insurance Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:54:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2003 12:54:19.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[5781D0E0:01C2DE5F] Maybe not a specific discount for just multiple bikes, but I know they have a multiple policy discount. That's why they have my bike, home and cage. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "William J. Huson" CC: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD insurance Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 01:06:28 -0500 I would double check that. I've had mulitple bikes with state farm. >State Farm has my insurance. Downside, they don't do "multiple bike" policys. > >Bill _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 08:35:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RDZnXo024631; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:35:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RDZmrj024619; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:35:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5E13FA.7E549C4A@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:34:50 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Keiser CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD insurance References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Keiser wrote: > Maybe not a specific discount for just multiple bikes, but I know they have > a multiple policy discount. That's why they have my bike, home and cage. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 Well, I have term life, homeowners, boat, 1 car, 2 trucks, and my bike insured with State Farm. Yes, I can insure more than one bike, but each would have seperate policy and no multi-bike discount. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 08:49:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RDnBXo026933; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:49:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RDnBQ8026922; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:49:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 27 Feb 2003 13:49:02 GMT Message-ID: <001d01c2de66$80bcea10$5302a8c0@jcaldwell> From: "Jim Caldwell" To: Cc: References: <200302270000.h1R001TO023483@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance in MD Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:45:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 I use Maryland Cycle Direct, they have the best rates I have found 410 358-5440. I pay less than $600/year for my '99 Valkyrie AND my wife's '01 HD Deuce. I have no claims experience with them. They are a division of Interstate Auto Insurance Co. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 09:29:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RETTXo029398; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:29:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RETSdK029388; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:29:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030227142925.69157.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:29:25 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: who rode today To: Isaac Blanck , "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030226150500.86660.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wimped out and did not ride in yesterday morning. I did however, ride today (Thursday.) Getting home might be interesting. Leon. --- Isaac Blanck wrote: > I did, and went into skids 3 times at very low > speeds > on a 4.5 mile trip. I will not be riding home. jib > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 09:40:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1REexXo031731; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:40:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1REewsc031719; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:40:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030227144021.23593.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:40:21 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: spring price list To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It just came in the March MCN. I have it scanned in if anybody can't find a local paper mag to consult... It's 1.2mb of PDF __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 09:43:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1REh9Xo003930; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:43:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1REh9TH003924; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:43:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009801c2de6e$bdb01e80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Lynch" , "dc-cycles list" References: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767AA207@SERVER2> Subject: Re: who rode today Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:44:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I carry a paper cup on the VF for such contingencies. Pour in hot water. Also, a little WD40 in the key hole wards off the moisture that causes it to freeze in the first place. At the MSF update, I used hot coffee to thaw the ignition out and thaw the throttle tube. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lynch" > I did too. Wasn't bad. Fun and games stopped when I came out and the > ignition was frozen. :-/ Hoofed it to CVS, bought a 2 pack of adjustable > lighters, flame broiled the key, stuck it in, and eventually it warmed the > guts enough to turn. Not before I froze my fingers and got snow in my > helmet, though. Ah well. Made it home. > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > > From: "Chris Norloff" > Reply-To: > To: > Subject: Re: who rode today > > I did, but skids in a sidecar rig are not a really big deal - kind of like > in a car. > > Definitely something icy/slippery under that snow. Perhaps the first layer > fell wet, or melted or something. > > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message > From: Isaac Blanck > > >I did, and went into skids 3 times at very low speeds > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 09:46:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1REktXo006193; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:46:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1REktsG006178; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:46:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c801c2de6f$444e1820$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20030227142925.69157.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: who rode today Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:47:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yep, same here. Did not ride yesterday, but rode this morning and may be Metro'ing tonight. I really hope this next wave doesn't pan out as the weather folks think. My Daytona trip may be in jeopardy as well if we get dumped on again. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" To: "Isaac Blanck" ; "Daniel H. Brown" ; Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:29 AM Subject: Re: who rode today > I wimped out and did not ride in yesterday morning. > > I did however, ride today (Thursday.) Getting home > might be interesting. > > Leon. > --- Isaac Blanck wrote: > > I did, and went into skids 3 times at very low > > speeds > > on a 4.5 mile trip. I will not be riding home. jib > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 09:48:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1REmfXo007336; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:48:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1REmeXG007329; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:48:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5E2510.89EEBD4E@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:47:44 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: Michael Lynch , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: who rode today References: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767AA207@SERVER2> <009801c2de6e$bdb01e80$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > I carry a paper cup on the VF for such contingencies. Pour in hot water. > Also, a > little WD40 in the key hole wards off the moisture that causes it to freeze > in the first place. At the MSF update, I used hot coffee to thaw the > ignition out and thaw the throttle tube. > > Paul in DC Never had a key problem, but many moons ago I ambled out of a NOVA class around 10 PM and discovered freezing rain! Had to bust a layer of ice off the saddle and crack the levers and controls loose. Slipped and slid outta the parking lot but the main roads were just wet. *whew* Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 09:58:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1REwIXo010787; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:58:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1REwIe1010775; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:58:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:58:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200302270958.AA28770602@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: who rode today X-Mailer: What forecast have you heard? I've been on the sidecar rig all week. :-) I'm surprised if there's still snow coming. I ordered a snow blower yesterday, so I figured that'd be the end of the snow! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:29:25 -0800 (PST) >I wimped out and did not ride in yesterday morning. > >I did however, ride today (Thursday.) Getting home >might be interesting. > >Leon. >--- Isaac Blanck wrote: >> I did, and went into skids 3 times at very low >> speeds >> on a 4.5 mile trip. I will not be riding home. jib >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >> http://taxes.yahoo.com/ >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 10:06:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RF6KXo013060; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:06:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RF6Jd2013052; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:06:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016601c2de71$fa49b380$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <200302270958.AA28770602@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: who rode today Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:07:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 It's supposed to start snowing in earnest, just in time for evening rush. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" > What forecast have you heard? > > I've been on the sidecar rig all week. :-) > > I'm surprised if there's still snow coming. I ordered a snow blower yesterday, so I figured that'd be the end of the snow! > > Chris Norloff > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Leon Begeman > Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:29:25 -0800 (PST) > > >I wimped out and did not ride in yesterday morning. > > > >I did however, ride today (Thursday.) Getting home > >might be interesting. > > > >Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 10:06:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RF6WXo013096; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:06:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RF6WJr013090; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:06:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030227101937.023cab30@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:20:24 -0500 To: From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: who rode today In-Reply-To: <200302270958.AA28770602@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:58 AM 2/27/03 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >What forecast have you heard? > >I've been on the sidecar rig all week. :-) > >I'm surprised if there's still snow coming. I ordered a snow blower >yesterday, so I figured that'd be the end of the snow! > >Chris Norloff Working from home today, the last forecast I saw on channel 4 (NBC) was 6-8" N/NW of the city, 2-4 in the city. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 10:20:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RFK0Xo017604; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:20:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RFJxc2017593; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:19:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: who rode today Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:20:12 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <200302270958.AA28770602@mail.toward.com> <016601c2de71$fa49b380$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <016601c2de71$fa49b380$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0302271020121X.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 27 February 2003 10:07, Paul Wilson wrote: > It's supposed to start snowing in earnest, just in time for evening rush. > Is that Ernest Maryland or Ernest West Virginia? Evil Overlord Carl Who Rode The VRE Today And Slept Until My Stop -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 10:38:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RFcsXo019991; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:38:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RFcrWg019976; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:38:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: 4000 mile service Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:38:46 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409307@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MD insurance Thread-Index: AcLdmN5Du5BRn7bESUmQG+48cHbtfAA3QQWg From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h1RFcqXo019964 As some of you know, I'm a new rider. The other day, the 4000 mile marker passed on the odometer, so it's time for me to do the 4000 mile service. I would like to do this myself; first, because I think i will find it interesting and rewarding, and second, because I would rather not pay Colemans $70 for a simple oil change. (and god knows how much for the full 4000 mile service) That said, can you guys recommend either a tool set or specific torque wrench/oil filter wrench I should get? I need to get some tools but I'm pretty clueless as to what differentiates a $30 torque wrench from a $200 torque wrench. Also, where do you guys shop for oil, oil filters, and other fluids? From looking at Coleman's selection, I got the impression that they have a pretty big markup on these things. Alternatively, if anyone wants to give me a hand with this stuff in exchange for beer/dinner, that would be excellent as well. I have an R6. Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 These are the places I was checking out for tools/fluids: http://www.homier.com http://www.sears.com http://catalog.kiernanracing.com/browseGroup.cfm?item_group_id=67388 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 11:00:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RG02Xo023615; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:00:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RG002x023591; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:00:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767AA208@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'Paul Wilson'" , dc-cycles list Subject: RE: who rode today Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:09:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Ya, I figured more water would only exacerbate the situation. After I got it home, I pointed the propane blast heater at the bike all evening to melt, then evaporate any remaining moisture. Then last night before bed I filled the ignition with WD. This morning it worked like butta. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [SMTP:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:44 AM > To: Michael Lynch; dc-cycles list > Subject: Re: who rode today > > I carry a paper cup on the VF for such contingencies. Pour in hot water. > Also, a > little WD40 in the key hole wards off the moisture that causes it to > freeze > in the first place. At the MSF update, I used hot coffee to thaw the > ignition out and thaw the throttle tube. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Lynch" > > > > I did too. Wasn't bad. Fun and games stopped when I came out and the > > ignition was frozen. :-/ Hoofed it to CVS, bought a 2 pack of adjustable > > lighters, flame broiled the key, stuck it in, and eventually it warmed > the > > guts enough to turn. Not before I froze my fingers and got snow in my > > helmet, though. Ah well. Made it home. > > > > Mike > > 96 VFR > > 88 Hawk > > 76 CB400F > > > > > > From: "Chris Norloff" > > Reply-To: > > To: > > Subject: Re: who rode today > > > > I did, but skids in a sidecar rig are not a really big deal - kind of > like > > in a car. > > > > Definitely something icy/slippery under that snow. Perhaps the first > layer > > fell wet, or melted or something. > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > ---------- Original Message > > From: Isaac Blanck > > > > >I did, and went into skids 3 times at very low speeds > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 11:08:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RG8uXo025927; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:08:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RG8upI025919; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:08:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:08:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200302271108.AA7602458@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: who rode today X-Mailer: I'm in Ballston, how far away is Earnest? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paul Wilson" Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:07:33 -0500 >It's supposed to start snowing in earnest, just in time for evening rush. > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Norloff" > > >> What forecast have you heard? >> >> I've been on the sidecar rig all week. :-) >> >> I'm surprised if there's still snow coming. I ordered a snow blower >yesterday, so I figured that'd be the end of the snow! >> >> Chris Norloff > >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: Leon Begeman >> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:29:25 -0800 (PST) >> >> >I wimped out and did not ride in yesterday morning. >> > >> >I did however, ride today (Thursday.) Getting home >> >might be interesting. >> > >> >Leon. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 11:13:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RGDfXo028195; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:13:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RGDfcl028189; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:13:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227110849.02196600@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:13:38 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: 4000 mile service In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409307@rnc1.rnchq.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I bought a $12 click-type torque wrench on eBay. Works great - couldn't be happier. All depends on how much torque you want to put on a nut. Picked up a number of used air tools and a few woodworking tools as well. Paid $8 for a used jigsaw. Buyer beware, but at least consider it. At 10:38 AM 2/27/2003, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: >That said, can you guys recommend either a tool set or specific torque >wrench/oil filter wrench I should get? I need to get some tools but I'm >pretty clueless as to what differentiates a $30 torque wrench from a $200 >torque wrench. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 11:22:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RGMtXo030517; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:22:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RGMsBD030506; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:22:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: 4000 mile service Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:23:08 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227110849.02196600@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227110849.02196600@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0302271123081Z.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm looking for an inlb torque wrench. Putting 50 ftlb on a bolg just twists it off :-/ (yea, BTDTGTB) Personally I'd like one where I can set the final value and then just tighten it down having it release when it reaches the value. Seems like it'd be a lot easier than having a mirror under the bike watching the reverse value on the wrench while you're torquing the oil nut. Carl On Thursday 27 February 2003 11:13, Troutman wrote: > I bought a $12 click-type torque wrench on eBay. Works great - couldn't be > happier. All depends on how much torque you want to put on a nut. Picked > up a number of used air tools and a few woodworking tools as well. Paid $8 > for a used jigsaw. Buyer beware, but at least consider it. > > At 10:38 AM 2/27/2003, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > >That said, can you guys recommend either a tool set or specific torque > >wrench/oil filter wrench I should get? I need to get some tools but I'm > >pretty clueless as to what differentiates a $30 torque wrench from a $200 > >torque wrench. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 11:41:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RGfgXo001553; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:41:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RGfghO001543; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:41:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5E3F91.185D48F3@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:40:49 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 4000 mile service References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227110849.02196600@mail.troutman.org> <0302271123081Z.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > I'm looking for an inlb torque wrench. Putting 50 ftlb on a bolg just twists > it off :-/ (yea, BTDTGTB) > > Personally I'd like one where I can set the final value and then just tighten > it down having it release when it reaches the value. Seems like it'd be a lot > easier than having a mirror under the bike watching the reverse value on the > wrench while you're torquing the oil nut. > > Carl Got one of them, a very fine and expensive torque wrench. I have never used it to tighten a drain plug. Confession - I was working on aluminum case outboard motors before my voice cracked down a few octaves and I grew hair in the usual places, so I may have a wrench up, so to speak, when setting a bolt into aluminum. I use the torque wrench for stuff that needs it, like head bolts etc etc... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 11:54:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RGsUXo003896; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:54:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RGsUme003884; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:54:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "William J. Huson" Subject: Re: 4000 mile service Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:54:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227110849.02196600@mail.troutman.org> <0302271123081Z.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E5E3F91.185D48F3@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E5E3F91.185D48F3@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03022711544021.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 27 February 2003 11:40, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > I'm looking for an inlb torque wrench. Putting 50 ftlb on a bolg just > > twists it off :-/ (yea, BTDTGTB) > > > > Personally I'd like one where I can set the final value and then just > > tighten it down having it release when it reaches the value. Seems like > > it'd be a lot easier than having a mirror under the bike watching the > > reverse value on the wrench while you're torquing the oil nut. > > > > Carl > > Got one of them, a very fine and expensive torque wrench. I have never used > it to tighten a drain plug. Confession - I was working on aluminum case > outboard motors before my voice cracked down a few octaves and I grew hair > in the usual places, so I may have a wrench up, so to speak, when setting a > bolt into aluminum. I use the torque wrench for stuff that needs it, like > head bolts etc etc... > Actually I twisted off the rearmost bolt on the exhaust pipes by misreading 50 inlb as 50 ftlb. It was very tight to remove. It got to about 25 ftlb when it got real loose. The exhaust nuts at the head are something like 110 inlb which I thought was "nuts" as ftlb. As a result, when I put the bolts on the next time, they were too loose. Three of them were gone and the rear exhaust hanging by the head bolts when I discovered it. I replaced them and used some blue loctite and haven't had a problem since then. The hawg does sound great with no pipes though ;-) > Bill Carl -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 12:06:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RH6OXo006274; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:06:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RH6MQr006259; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:06:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pipes Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:06:37 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03022712063722.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This question is probably more appropriate to the few hawg riders on the list but here goes anyway. >From the various articles I've read, the standard hawg comes a bit toned down due to the EPA and with a few minor adjustments, you can increase the performance (make it go faster rather than more fuel efficient). An article in one of the Harley bike rags said that just changing the slip on mufflers with SE II's will increase performance quite a bit. Unfortunately I can't find the article again. Basically I don't want to spend $600 for slip-ons, air cleaner and an EFI touch to get performance x 2, when for $250 I can get performance x 1.8. I'm really not looking for a fast bike, just one that is a bit faster and sounds better in tunnels. 90 MPH on a bike is just about as fast as I want to go. I much prefer the 70-75 range (i.e., keeping up with traffic). And I've read the stories about guys who've paid $2000 to increase performance only to get a bike that runs worse. Of course, the end of these stories is when they find someone with a good dyno to get an appropriate setup. Thanks, Carl -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 12:14:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RHE1Xo009815; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:14:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RHE1AA009806; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:14:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5E46B8.8873237C@tasam.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:11:20 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: 4000 mile service References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227110849.02196600@mail.troutman.org> <0302271123081Z.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E5E3F91.185D48F3@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > I'm looking for an inlb torque wrench. Putting 50 ftlb on a bolg just twists > > it off :-/ (yea, BTDTGTB) > > > > Personally I'd like one where I can set the final value and then just tighten > > it down having it release when it reaches the value. Seems like it'd be a lot > > easier than having a mirror under the bike watching the reverse value on the > > wrench while you're torquing the oil nut. > > > > Carl > > Got one of them, a very fine and expensive torque wrench. I have never used it to > tighten a drain plug. Confession - I was working on aluminum case outboard > motors before my voice cracked down a few octaves and I grew hair in the usual > places, so I may have a wrench up, so to speak, when setting a bolt into > aluminum. I use the torque wrench for stuff that needs it, like head bolts etc > etc... > > Bill generally i've found that "good and snug is good enough" on 99% of bolts. ymmv Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 12:21:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RHLOXo012139; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:21:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RHLOgq012129; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:21:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227121754.021b33f0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:21:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: 4000 mile service In-Reply-To: <3E5E46B8.8873237C@tasam.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227110849.02196600@mail.troutman.org> <0302271123081Z.01066@XXXXXX> <3E5E3F91.185D48F3@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I never have to adjust my chain - except a few hundred miles after it is new. That is because Danny Thompson forced me to torque the rear wheel adjustment to factory specs (I think it was 45 pounds). It gave him an excuse to buy a K-Mart torque wrench - a few years ago, before I had a garage and he helped me strip down the VFR. There is a reason manufacturers give torque ratings for certain bolts and nuts. At 12:11 PM 2/27/2003, Skip wrote: >generally i've found that "good and snug is good enough" on 99% of >bolts. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 12:29:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RHT7Xo016699; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:29:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RHT5R2016684; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:29:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030227172903.7341.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:29:03 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: OT: Need a plumber To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can anyone recommend a plumber for a simple stopped up toilet? I have snaked it to no avail. I guess its all my left-wing crap (-; Does $75 for the call, plus $21 for each quarter hour sound fair? ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 12:34:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RHYBXo020258; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:34:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RHYAtt020247; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:34:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008a01c2de86$a24044a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rob Keiser" , "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: MD insurance Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:34:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Packaging all your insurance under one company can be a mixed blessing. I jumped through all of State Farm's hoops to get my bikes insured with them (they needed photos taken by the agent himself, for example), only to find out they would flatly refuse to write the bike policies unless I transferred our cage insurance to them as well. The kicker: any savings on the bike insurance would have been wiped out by much higher rates on the cage. Grrrr. Kinda strange because folks that don't own cars can get bike only policies from SF, but if you own a cage, in DC at least, it must be insured with SF before they will write policies on bikes. Dumb. They lost a sale from me and to be truthful kinda pissed me off due to the time investment on my part. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Keiser" > > Maybe not a specific discount for just multiple bikes, but I know they have > a multiple policy discount. That's why they have my bike, home and cage. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 12:42:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RHg4Xo022604; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:42:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RHg4VE022592; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:42:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030227174200.64949.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:42:00 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: who rode today To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200302271108.AA7602458@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I like Map 'N Go. Map 'N Go says that Earnest Corner is in ME. Perhaps he meant Ernest. Weather Channel says it will start snowing in Ernest, PA at around 9PM tonight. Leon. --- Chris Norloff wrote: > I'm in Ballston, how far away is Earnest? > > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: "Paul Wilson" > Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:07:33 -0500 > > >It's supposed to start snowing in earnest, just in > time for evening rush. > > > >Paul in DC > >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chris Norloff" > > > > > >> What forecast have you heard? > >> > >> I've been on the sidecar rig all week. :-) > >> > >> I'm surprised if there's still snow coming. I > ordered a snow blower > >yesterday, so I figured that'd be the end of the > snow! > >> > >> Chris Norloff > > > >> ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > >> From: Leon Begeman > >> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:29:25 -0800 (PST) > >> > >> >I wimped out and did not ride in yesterday > morning. > >> > > >> >I did however, ride today (Thursday.) Getting > home > >> >might be interesting. > >> > > >> >Leon. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 12:51:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RHpJXo024937; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:51:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RHpId4024927; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:51:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:55:01 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 4000 mile service In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409307@rnc1.rnchq.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > That said, can you guys recommend either a tool set or specific torque > wrench/oil filter wrench I should get? I need to get some tools but I'm > pretty clueless as to what differentiates a $30 torque wrench from a > $200 torque wrench. A craftsman torque wrench should be fine for tinkering with the bike, about $50ish? > > Also, where do you guys shop for oil, oil filters, and other fluids? > From looking at Coleman's selection, I got the impression that they have > a pretty big markup on these things. > > Alternatively, if anyone wants to give me a hand with this stuff in > exchange for beer/dinner, that would be excellent as well. I have an > R6. A popular oil is Mobil 1 15w-50, works great in most bikes (use it in my VFR and YZF), $4qt at most Walmarts. The filter for the R6 is $12 from the dealer, I think you can find a PureOne or Mobil 1 car specific filter that will work well. Check the R6 specific boards. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 12:56:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RHubXo026142; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:56:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RHuaCf026129; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:56:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:00:08 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Carl Schelin cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pipes In-Reply-To: <03022712063722.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Basically I don't want to spend $600 for slip-ons, air cleaner and an EFI > touch to get performance x 2, when for $250 I can get performance x 1.8. > Since you mentioned you have EFI, that makes it a bit trickier to not spend $600. You are looking at $200 for slip ons (Chicago HD is great for OEM stuff, 20% off). Just adding the pipes will probably make it run a bit lean, I know it did on my carbed FLHR. You either need a programmer/tuner black box, $200ish or a remap from the dealer, around $150ish?. Getting a new air cleaner will help, the stock fooball assembly is pretty resrtictive. I think the ignition upgrades that are recommened for stage 1 are a big waste of money. My Road King seems to pull away quite well from my neighbors stocker, and all I have is pipe, Ness Big Sucker and a #48 jet. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 13:11:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RIBYXo028534; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:11:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RIBX1T028524; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:11:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pipes Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:11:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03022713114726.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 27 February 2003 14:00, dan wrote: > > Basically I don't want to spend $600 for slip-ons, air cleaner and an EFI > > touch to get performance x 2, when for $250 I can get performance x 1.8. > > Since you mentioned you have EFI, that makes it a bit trickier to not > spend $600. You are looking at $200 for slip ons (Chicago HD is great for > OEM stuff, 20% off). Just adding the pipes will probably make it run a > bit lean, I know it did on my carbed FLHR. You either need a > programmer/tuner black box, $200ish or a remap from the dealer, around > $150ish?. Getting a new air cleaner will help, the stock fooball assembly > is pretty resrtictive. I think the ignition upgrades that are recommened > for stage 1 are a big waste of money. My Road King seems to pull away > quite well from my neighbors stocker, and all I have is pipe, Ness Big > Sucker and a #48 jet. > Cool. I was looking at a Power Commander II which is running about $200 new. I figure that's about the same as the EFI adjustment East Coast would make and I'd make it up the third time I had to adjust. I'll check the Chicago HD site as well as the others that were recommended. > Dan Thanks, Carl -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 13:28:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RIStXo032008; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:28:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RIStig031998; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:28:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030227182143.17790.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:21:43 -0800 (PST) From: patti rodgers Subject: Re: MD insurance To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E5E13FA.7E549C4A@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, I can insure more than one > bike, but each would have > seperate policy and no multi-bike discount. > > Bill > I think with State Farm it has a lot to do with your agent; I think a lot of the "rules" have some bend in them, depending on who is writing your policy. My State Farm guy has my truck and 2 bikes (third is yet to be insured) on the same policy and I get a multi-vehicle discount. My homeowner's policy is separate but I get a multi-policy discount too. Also I got a Lojack discount on my truck insurance even though State Farm normally doesn't do that. Both the lender and Lojack said that State Farm would not discount for Lojack but I asked my agent and he said, sure, no problem. You might just have to ask the agent more forcefully. I think it helps, though, that I have had the same agent for about 15 years and referred a lot of business to him. Or maybe I just have the cool agent. -patti __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 13:50:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RIobXo002149; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:50:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RIoaZj002139; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:50:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5256000.1046371825018.JavaMail.nobody@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: Chris Weaver , patti rodgers , Jon Strang , DC Cycles Subject: Re: RE: Friend looking at some used bikes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Excuse me, but I don't ever remember giving you permission to use my name in vain! %^) -------Original Message------- From: Chris Weaver Sent: 02/26/03 08:29 PM To: patti rodgers , Jon Strang , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Friend looking at some used bikes > > This person might also want to check out: http://www.cyclecity1.com/ I bought my bike from them, even though they're in Pennsylvania. They were easy to work with long-distance and they were very honest and straightforward. They brought the bike by truck and the driver did all the paperwork. Very easy. I got a smokin' deal too, as George Cole or Chuck Pena can tell you. They have all their used bikes on their web page with photos. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 13:53:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RIrCXo003353; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:53:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RIrC6E003347; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:53:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:53:01 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: who rode today To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Paul Wilson , Michael Lynch , dc-cycles list Message-id: <3E5E5E8D.201B7480@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767AA207@SERVER2> <009801c2de6e$bdb01e80$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3E5E2510.89EEBD4E@XXXXXX> "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > I carry a paper cup on the VF for such contingencies. Pour in hot water. > > Also, a > > little WD40 in the key hole wards off the moisture that causes it to freeze > > in the first place. At the MSF update, I used hot coffee to thaw the > > ignition out and thaw the throttle tube. > > > > Paul in DC > > Never had a key problem, but many moons ago I ambled out of a NOVA class around > 10 PM and discovered freezing rain! Had to bust a layer of ice off the saddle > and crack the levers and controls loose. Slipped and slid outta the parking lot > but the main roads were just wet. *whew* A couple years ago I continued riding to work even though the weather was completely crappy. The only thing that stopped me was when I found out my gas cap's lock had frozen shut. D'0h! Limped home on fumes, and had to take the car for a few days until the weather warmed up. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 14:00:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RJ0xXo006787; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:00:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RJ0x4W006777; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:00:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D3E@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MD insurance Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:00:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You might just have to ask the agent more forcefully. I think it helps, though, that I have had the same agent for about 15 years and referred a lot of business to him. Or maybe I just have the cool agent. -patti I concur with Patti. I went through a SNAFU when I signed up with my State Farm agent in Annandale. They got me a policy and then cancelled it when they found my cars weren't with them even though I specified that up front. They simply wrote me a new policy with slightly higher rates and I was back on the road without interruption. You just have to ask them the right questions up front. State Farm easily smoked any other company I contacted and in my neighborhood ended up being the only carrier who would touch a bike that wasn't garaged. State Farm, however, did recently impose an area wide price hike that makes them less competitive so do check around. Be careful to read your coverage statement to make sure there aren't any exclusions in coverage (i.e. no garage, etc.) and that you are getting comp coverage if you want it. That last detail led to a problem between myself and Progressive ( as in "What the @^%& do you mean I'm not *%(&^$) covered?") Luckily the coolest cop in the world found my hit and run driver and coaxed a confression out of her. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 14:10:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RJAfXo009135; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:10:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RJAfKe009123; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:10:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:10:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200302271410.AA23986458@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: who rode today X-Mailer: Too bad you couldn't just have applied a stream of warm liquid to the gas cap. That might have thawed it! :-) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dale Horstman Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:53:01 -0500 >"William J. Huson" wrote: >> >> Paul Wilson wrote: >> >> > I carry a paper cup on the VF for such contingencies. Pour in hot water. >> > Also, a >> > little WD40 in the key hole wards off the moisture that causes it to freeze >> > in the first place. At the MSF update, I used hot coffee to thaw the >> > ignition out and thaw the throttle tube. >> > >> > Paul in DC >> >> Never had a key problem, but many moons ago I ambled out of a NOVA class around >> 10 PM and discovered freezing rain! Had to bust a layer of ice off the saddle >> and crack the levers and controls loose. Slipped and slid outta the parking lot >> but the main roads were just wet. *whew* > >A couple years ago I continued riding to work even though the weather >was completely crappy. The only thing that stopped me was when I found >out my gas cap's lock had frozen shut. D'0h! Limped home on fumes, and >had to take the car for a few days until the weather warmed up. :) > >Hork > > >-- >Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > >Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer >'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi >'82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 14:22:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RJMJXo009257; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:22:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RJMIE3009247; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:22:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:22:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: March 1st/2nd (Sunday) ride anyone? To: carl@XXXXXX Cc: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E5E655C.FFFC8E50@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <3E5AFA34.DC07FEC0@carlparker.com> <0302250756370P.01066@XXXXXX> <3E5BB6CF.EE86CAFA@XXXXXX> Well, since the weather is doing it's best Hoover impersonation (ie: it sucks) I'm catching a lift down to the Palmetto Ramble, an 11-hour endurance riding event in South Carolina this weekend. I won't be riding, but I'll be hanging around folks who will be riding, and I'll be able to kick some (hopefully) non-snow encrusted tires, so it'll be a cool weekend. Take care, stay warm, keep it upright. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 14:34:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RJY2Xo011640; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:34:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RJY2Wh011630; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:34:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5E67F5.19F53879@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:33:09 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pipes References: <03022712063722.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My friend's Dyna, sitting in my garage and for sale, is factory stock. It runs just fine. My purcahsed used (5 years old and 4K miles) FLHS (Daddy of the Road King) was messed with. It had really loud pipes and a K&N air filter but hadn't been rejetted. We're talking white spark plugs. I rejetted, ran fine, but way too loud for me. Next change, Screaming Eagle pipes. The fiberglass packing is history, but it isn't loud. Problem is I've been too lazy to rejet and now it runs rich. We're talking black plugs and crappy milage. Of course, the FLH is an aerodynamically dirty beast so at road speed (70+) it's gonna suck fuel anyhoo. Unless you have delusional thoughts that loud pipes saves lives, or just wanna be a LOUD Harley poser, I'd forget it and leave it be. Swapping out an EFI to compensate for free flow pipes requires serious $$$. My slop feeder requires a $20 jet kit, which I have from the last rejetting, and a few diagnostics to get it close, when I get off my butt and do it. And even after all that fiddle-dicking around I doubt any horsepower increase is noticeably measurable. But if H-D can you show you a pleaseing dyno curve on the SE IIs alone with no other mods, then you might want to consider it. My pipes are SEs and they aren't window shattering loud. In fact, they're quite a relief from the poser honkers it came with. Bill Carl Schelin wrote: > This question is probably more appropriate to the few hawg riders on the list > but here goes anyway. > > >From the various articles I've read, the standard hawg comes a bit toned down > due to the EPA and with a few minor adjustments, you can increase the > performance (make it go faster rather than more fuel efficient). > > An article in one of the Harley bike rags said that just changing the slip on > mufflers with SE II's will increase performance quite a bit. Unfortunately I > can't find the article again. > > Basically I don't want to spend $600 for slip-ons, air cleaner and an EFI > touch to get performance x 2, when for $250 I can get performance x 1.8. > > I'm really not looking for a fast bike, just one that is a bit faster and > sounds better in tunnels. 90 MPH on a bike is just about as fast as I want to > go. I much prefer the 70-75 range (i.e., keeping up with traffic). > > And I've read the stories about guys who've paid $2000 to increase > performance only to get a bike that runs worse. Of course, the end of these > stories is when they find someone with a good dyno to get an appropriate > setup. > > Thanks, > > Carl > -- > There is no patch for stupidity. > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 14:36:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RJasXo012828; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:36:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RJart7012821; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:36:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5E68A1.5DD4407B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:36:01 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dan CC: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pipes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dan wrote: > > Basically I don't want to spend $600 for slip-ons, air cleaner and an EFI > > touch to get performance x 2, when for $250 I can get performance x 1.8. > > > > Since you mentioned you have EFI, that makes it a bit trickier to not > spend $600. You are looking at $200 for slip ons (Chicago HD is great for > OEM stuff, 20% off). Just adding the pipes will probably make it run a > bit lean, I know it did on my carbed FLHR. You either need a > programmer/tuner black box, $200ish or a remap from the dealer, around > $150ish?. Getting a new air cleaner will help, the stock fooball assembly > is pretty resrtictive. I think the ignition upgrades that are recommened > for stage 1 are a big waste of money. My Road King seems to pull away > quite well from my neighbors stocker, and all I have is pipe, Ness Big > Sucker and a #48 jet. > > Dan A #48 jet??? Do tell, how does a lo-speed jet affect WOT preformance? Your hi-speed jet should be in the #160 to #180 range, and don't forget the needle adjustment for the mid-range. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 14:45:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RJjAXo016241; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:45:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RJj94S016230; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:45:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5E6A91.D59CA2E9@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:44:17 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dan CC: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 4000 mile service References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dan wrote: > > That said, can you guys recommend either a tool set or specific torque > > wrench/oil filter wrench I should get? I need to get some tools but I'm > > pretty clueless as to what differentiates a $30 torque wrench from a > > $200 torque wrench. > > A craftsman torque wrench should be fine for tinkering with the bike, > about $50ish? Heh heh. My pal bought a Sears torque wrench to put highway pegs on his scoot. Then he decided the basic wrench wasn't good enough and returned it for Craftmans BEST model, at like $150 I think. To put on highway pegs? I was speechless for a spell. Like dude, forget the torque wrench, tighten the bitch up and send it out! Sheesh... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 14:46:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RJkvXo017390; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:46:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RJkvJv017381; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:46:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pipes Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:47:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <03022712063722.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E5E67F5.19F53879@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E5E67F5.19F53879@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0302271447042A.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 27 February 2003 14:33, William J. Huson wrote: > Unless you have delusional thoughts that loud pipes saves lives, or just > wanna be a LOUD Harley poser, I'd forget it and leave it be. Swapping out > an EFI to compensate for free flow pipes requires serious $$$. My slop > feeder requires a $20 jet kit, which I have from the last rejetting, and a > few diagnostics to get it close, when I get off my butt and do it. And > even after all that fiddle-dicking around I doubt any horsepower increase > is noticeably measurable. > That's just it. I'm not trying to be poser loud. Just a little louder. I don't think loud pipes save lives unless you're trying to scare the folks behind you. Changing out the EFI module doesn't seem to be any more expensive than having the local dealer make the adjustment themselves. I don't think I'm replacing the whole EFI, just the electronic part. Maybe I'm delusional. > But if H-D can you show you a pleaseing dyno curve on the SE IIs alone with > no other mods, then you might want to consider it. My pipes are SEs and > they aren't window shattering loud. In fact, they're quite a relief from > the poser honkers it came with. > It was the article that showed a good bang for the buck in buying just the pipes. If it's 200-300 bucks for the dealer to make the adjustment and the same for a replacement where _I_ can make the changes to compensate for high mountain air or replacement pipes or whatever without incuring the additional cost then it seems worth the cost. Again, maybe too much cold air or I really hurt something when I was skiing two weeks ago :-) > Bill > Thanks for the advice though. Carl -- There is no patch for stupidity. Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 14:55:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RJtNXo019770; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:55:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RJtMAn019760; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:55:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5E6CF6.BF9B2A75@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:54:30 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: who rode today References: <200302271410.AA23986458@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > Too bad you couldn't just have applied a stream of warm liquid to the gas cap. That might have thawed it! > > :-) > Chris Norloff Nonono! Hork lives in Virginia! Whapping the ice loose with a Bible is fine, but the minute exposure of a certain body part to hose the lock with warm liquid is a hanging crime in Fundieland Virginia. And you don't wanna know what they hang you from. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 14:59:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RJxWXo022058; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:59:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RJxWlY022051; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:59:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200302271959.QDZ98674@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:59:42 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: who rode today To: "William J. Huson" Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Chris Norloff wrote: > >> Too bad you couldn't just have applied a stream of warm liquid to the gas cap. That might have thawed it! >> >> :-) >> Chris Norloff > >Nonono! Hork lives in Virginia! Whapping the ice loose with a Bible is fine, but the minute exposure of a >certain body part to hose the lock with warm liquid is a hanging crime in Fundieland Virginia. And you don't >wanna know what they hang you from. [Dave] And WELL it should be... Motorcycle Abuse with Intent to DEFILE... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 15:06:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RK6gXo025474; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:06:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RK6gRe025464; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:06:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:06:30 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: who rode today To: "William J. Huson" Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles Message-id: <3E5E6FC6.BFBEAAAC@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200302271410.AA23986458@mail.toward.com> <3E5E6CF6.BF9B2A75@XXXXXX> "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > Too bad you couldn't just have applied a stream of warm liquid to the gas cap. That might have thawed it! > > > > :-) > > Chris Norloff > > Nonono! Hork lives in Virginia! Whapping the ice loose with a Bible is fine, but the minute exposure of a > certain body part to hose the lock with warm liquid is a hanging crime in Fundieland Virginia. And you don't > wanna know what they hang you from. Just imagine getting *that* stuck to the metal tank...no thanks... :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 15:27:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RKRsXo030082; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:27:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RKRrQk030071; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:27:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:31:38 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pipes In-Reply-To: <3E5E68A1.5DD4407B@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > A #48 jet??? Do tell, how does a lo-speed jet affect WOT preformance? Your > hi-speed jet should be in the #160 to #180 range, and don't forget the needle > adjustment for the mid-range. > The TC88's come with #45 low speed jets from the factory and 195 mains. According to the TC88 mailing list guru's all that is required for a filter and exhuast swap is a #48 and some tuning of the idle mix. Seems to work in my case, the final test will be once I get it on a dyno with a exhuast meter. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 16:01:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RL1cXo032566; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:01:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RL1b3w032556; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:01:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5E7C7D.BC33280A@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:00:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pipes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dan wrote: > > A #48 jet??? Do tell, how does a lo-speed jet affect WOT preformance? Your > > hi-speed jet should be in the #160 to #180 range, and don't forget the needle > > adjustment for the mid-range. > > > > The TC88's come with #45 low speed jets from the factory and 195 mains. > According to the TC88 mailing list guru's all that is required for a > filter and exhuast swap is a #48 and some tuning of the idle mix. Seems > to work in my case, the final test will be once I get it on a dyno with a > exhuast meter. > > Dan Ah, a TC88. Weirdness, the old EVO likes to have the main jet changed and a needle adustment along with a lo-speed jet change and air bleed adustment, which requires popping out the lead plug that sez don't mess with this (EPA). Pre-dyno, just whack the throttle and blow down the highway for a buncha miles and dive off into a rest area, cutting off the engine and letting it coast to a stop. Let `er cool and pull the plugs for a read. If they look tanish, screw spending $$$ on a dyno. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 16:01:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RL1gXo032602; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:01:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RL1g7j032595; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:01:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5E7B1F.F0B05592@carlparker.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:54:55 -0500 From: Carl Parker Reply-To: carl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: March 1st ride... :( Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DAGFRAGGIT!!! Looking at the weather report it seems that I put oo much faith in early forecasts. Looks like this weekend in going to blow nards as far as weather is concerned. As of now it's supposed to be mostly cloudy with a little rain on Sunday so I might go out in the morning and ride around locally. Maybe some people would like to meet for lunch' er' sumtin. I dunno...sorry about my premature enthusiasm. Soon...there will be a day above 45* and sunny...and when that day comes...I will be riding. If anyone else goes out and could use some company, lemme know! In the meantime, if it clears up this weekend I'll contact those who expressed interest in going. Shiney side up yo'z! Carl who is also Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 16:30:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RLUCXo006175; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:30:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RLUBWL006165; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:30:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030227164328.05668ac0@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:44:08 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: 4000 mile service In-Reply-To: <0302271123081Z.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030227110849.02196600@mail.troutman.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030227110849.02196600@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:23 AM 2/27/03 -0500, you wrote: >I'm looking for an inlb torque wrench. Putting 50 ftlb on a bolg just twists >it off :-/ (yea, BTDTGTB) > >Personally I'd like one where I can set the final value and then just tighten >it down having it release when it reaches the value. Seems like it'd be a lot >easier than having a mirror under the bike watching the reverse value on the >wrench while you're torquing the oil nut. Just get a 'click-type'. No need to look at the scale when using it. Set it and when it clicks, you're done. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 16:34:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RLYtXo007363; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:34:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RLYtOa007359; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:34:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030227164658.056699d0@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:48:51 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Pipes In-Reply-To: References: <03022712063722.01066@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:00 PM 2/27/03 -0500, you wrote: > > Basically I don't want to spend $600 for slip-ons, air cleaner and an EFI > > touch to get performance x 2, when for $250 I can get performance x 1.8. > > > >Since you mentioned you have EFI, that makes it a bit trickier to not >spend $600. You are looking at $200 for slip ons (Chicago HD is great for >OEM stuff, 20% off). Just adding the pipes will probably make it run a >bit lean, I know it did on my carbed FLHR. You either need a >programmer/tuner black box, $200ish or a remap from the dealer, around >$150ish?. Getting a new air cleaner will help, the stock fooball assembly >is pretty resrtictive. I think the ignition upgrades that are recommened >for stage 1 are a big waste of money. My Road King seems to pull away >quite well from my neighbors stocker, and all I have is pipe, Ness Big >Sucker and a #48 jet. > >Dan Don't forget that you'll need a 'map' for the PCII/III/whatever box you buy if you need to adjust the computer. Some pipe manufacturers include it, but you'll see the best gain (and driveability) from a wideband dyno session and a custom map. I have a friend with a handful of Harleys, I'll ask him about slip ons/computer work tonight. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 17:29:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RMTTXo011252; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:29:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RMTSUg011242; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:29:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:29:19 -0500 Subject: Re: 4000 mile service From: Robert Easton To: DC Cycles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Mobil-1 Full Synth. won all kinds of oil tests done my Cycle Mag a few years back, since then it's all I ever use. You can buy it at most auto parts store, as well as the below mentioned Wally's Mart and other stores that end in -mart >> Alternatively, if anyone wants to give me a hand with this stuff in >> exchange for beer/dinner, that would be excellent as well. I have an >> R6. > > A popular oil is Mobil 1 15w-50, works great in most bikes (use it in my > VFR and YZF), $4qt at most Walmarts. The filter for the R6 is $12 from > the dealer, I think you can find a PureOne or Mobil 1 car specific filter > that will work well. Check the R6 specific boards. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 18:32:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1RNWkXo014084; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:32:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1RNWjJo014073; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:32:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:33:41 -0500 Subject: Re: 4000 mile service To: witold@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <3E5E6A91.D59CA2E9@XXXXXX> In-Reply-To: <3E5E6A91.D59CA2E9@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You *need* a torque wrench only for head bolts (for common stuff). You might want one if you have no experience/judgement with wrenches in order to check your intuition. However: (1) torques specs refer to new, clean fasteners. Add corrosion and/or used threads and published values are increasingly unreliable. (2) if there are previously damaged threads, you have a good chance of stripping them by using a t-r while (you are) on auto-pilot. --garcia "America wants to export democracy to other, less enlightened, parts of the world. This from a country where two candidates can run for President---and the one who gets the fewer votes wins." witold >wrote: > >> > That said, can you guys recommend either a tool set or specific torque >> > wrench/oil filter wrench I should get? I need to get some tools but >I'm >> > pretty clueless as to what differentiates a $30 torque wrench from a >> > $200 torque wrench. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 19:34:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1S0YcXo022088; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:34:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1S0Yb9Q022077; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:34:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007601c2dec0$f4846680$a689bc3f@de3bw> Reply-To: "cplvfr" From: "cplvfr" To: Subject: Signing off and shipping out Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:33:02 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I've been called back to active duty for at least a year. I don't know what's in store for me, but I probably won't have computer access for a few weeks at best beginning Sunday. If I go overseas I won't have any computer access at all. No Daytona Bike Week and no CCS racing at Summit Point this year. :-( That's what bums me out the most. My SV was coming together nicely too. Now it's disassembled and in my basement. I actually felt kind of left out when my former unit shipped out at the beginning of Feb. I just hope I'm going back to use my skills and not just fill in. Travis Sgt USMC '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 19:35:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1S0ZUXo023401; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:35:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1S0ZT39023397; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:35:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Michael H. Moore" To: Subject: MD insurance (conclusion) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:54:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6D3E@NCEAEXCHANGE> Importance: Normal Everyone, thanks for all the advice. I ended up signing with "Erie" insurance, as recommended to me by my sister. (I think they may be owned by State Farm) One advantage Erie does is they give a discount for age 24, instead of age 25, so it's attractive for younger riders like myself. They also gave a $100 discount for picking up an $85 renters insurance policy. Thanks again! mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 20:39:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1S1dQXo029478; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:39:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1S1dP5w029468; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:39:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11a.1f0db109.2b9017c9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:39:21 EST Subject: Re: 4000 mile service To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/27/2003 12:21:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > I never have to adjust my chain - except a few hundred miles after it is > new. That is because Danny Thompson forced me to torque the rear wheel > adjustment to factory specs Escuse me? That makes no sense, the chain needs adjustment because of wear on the link pins not because the axel slips, and it has nothing to do with how tight the adjusters themselves are. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 21:27:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1S2RqXo032028; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:27:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1S2RqGp032018; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:27:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: cplvfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signing off and shipping out Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:27:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2003 02:27:44.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA135510:01C2DED0] Thank you, Travis. And God speed! Rob '98 VFR800 From: "cplvfr" Reply-To: "cplvfr" To: Subject: Signing off and shipping out Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:33:02 -0500 I've been called back to active duty for at least a year. I don't know what's in store for me, but I probably won't have computer access for a few weeks at best beginning Sunday. If I go overseas I won't have any computer access at all. No Daytona Bike Week and no CCS racing at Summit Point this year. :-( That's what bums me out the most. My SV was coming together nicely too. Now it's disassembled and in my basement. I actually felt kind of left out when my former unit shipped out at the beginning of Feb. I just hope I'm going back to use my skills and not just fill in. Travis Sgt USMC '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500F _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 27 21:57:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1S2vrXo004255; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:57:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1S2vqgA004243; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:57:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:57:30 -0500 From: Randy Moran Subject: Re: Signing off and shipping out In-reply-to: <007601c2dec0$f4846680$a689bc3f@de3bw> To: cplvfr Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <60D8367F-4AC8-11D7-B861-000393ADC3E6@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Good luck, Travis. Be careful and come home safe. Randy Moran On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 07:33 PM, cplvfr wrote: > I've been called back to active duty for at least a year. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 07:22:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SCM2Xo009621; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:22:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SCM1Tr009611; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:22:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <4468142.1046434915961.JavaMail.nobody@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 04:20:54 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Jordan To: cplvfr , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signing off and shipping out Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Keep your butt covered and come home safely Michael J. TSgt USAF (Ret) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 09:30:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SEUYXo011657; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:30:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SEUW4M011650; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:30:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030228143030.96459.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:30:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Signing off and shipping out To: cplvfr , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <007601c2dec0$f4846680$a689bc3f@de3bw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Be careful, do you job and come back alive. And remember the other guy doesn't want to die either. mark --- cplvfr wrote: > I've been called back to active duty for at least a > year. I don't know > what's in store for me, but I probably won't have > computer access for a few > weeks at best beginning Sunday. If I go overseas I > won't have any computer > access at all. No Daytona Bike Week and no CCS > racing at Summit Point this > year. :-( That's what bums me out the most. My SV > was coming together > nicely too. Now it's disassembled and in my > basement. I actually felt > kind of left out when my former unit shipped out at > the beginning of Feb. I > just hope I'm going back to use my skills and not > just fill in. > > Travis Sgt USMC > '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500F > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 09:41:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SEflXo012888; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:41:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SEfkY9012879; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:41:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbmoaC0ZDKW2ZlGV6af95LbfsQ59HLQF2PeybQE6T85NXZoX/+kxiBDBSe4L8+1I20= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'cplvfr'" , Subject: RE: Signing off and shipping out Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:41:44 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E21A4@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830C12CC@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Importance: Normal > And remember the other guy doesn't want to die either. Irrelevant. Kill the other son of a bitch before he tries to do the same to you. Kick ass, and bring yourself and all your friends back home in one piece. Semper Fi. --jon (ex-squid) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 09:48:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SEmjXo014097; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:48:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SEmjPN014088; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:48:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002e01c2df38$b063fa60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Who rode? Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:49:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 OK, the usual question - who rode today? The main roads were wet for my trip, although it was a little dicey getting going on our side street. The rat bike has gotten a workout this winter. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 09:50:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SEoMXo016539; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:50:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SEoMH0016531; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:50:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030228145019.20214.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:50:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Who rode? To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <002e01c2df38$b063fa60$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am 'working from home' today. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > OK, the usual question - who rode today? The main > roads were wet for my > trip, although it was a little dicey getting going > on our side street. The > rat bike has gotten a workout this winter. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:00:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SF08Xo017797; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:00:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SF07NN017786; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:00:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5F78D0.100CD527@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:57:20 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cplvfr CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signing off and shipping out References: <007601c2dec0$f4846680$a689bc3f@de3bw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit good luck, god bless, godspeed. Say, "hi" to 2lt Lay if you run into him. yeah yeah yeah, I know what're the odds... but you just never know. cplvfr wrote: > > I've been called back to active duty for at least a year. I don't know > what's in store for me, but I probably won't have computer access for a few > weeks at best beginning Sunday. If I go overseas I won't have any computer > access at all. No Daytona Bike Week and no CCS racing at Summit Point this > year. :-( That's what bums me out the most. My SV was coming together > nicely too. Now it's disassembled and in my basement. I actually felt > kind of left out when my former unit shipped out at the beginning of Feb. I > just hope I'm going back to use my skills and not just fill in. > > Travis Sgt USMC > '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:06:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SF6CXo019017; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:06:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SF6C7g019010; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:06:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5F7AAB.6E1C608C@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:05:15 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Who rode? References: <20030228145019.20214.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am 'working from home' today. > I'm still shoveling. Wore out one shovel, working on number two. The price one pays for having two driveways, one of which is a doublewide at least 50' long. Another day of this and I'll need a stepladder to see of the side piles! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:07:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SF7TXo019073; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:07:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SF7Tg9019066; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:07:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <027301c2df3b$0690c290$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20030228145019.20214.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Who rode? Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:06:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a8963621979ac66175962234818cee08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Ditto. Did you get the plumbing situation resolved? > I am 'working from home' today. > > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > OK, the usual question - who rode today? The main > > roads were wet for my > > trip, although it was a little dicey getting going > > on our side street. The > > rat bike has gotten a workout this winter. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:11:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFBIXo022497; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:11:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFBI1K022486; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:11:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: Witold@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tools etc... Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:11:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2003 15:11:11.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0B7A690:01C2DF3B] Sears. Heck Home Depot has wrenches.... a torque wrench is essential, I have an old beam I like because it displays Nm's and Ftlbs... Nm's are a finer measurment and the scale brings it down to a closer setting. Remember... MC engines are aluminum and bolt are steel.... overtorque and you will crack the alum... then it's welding time. In some cases overtorqueing "just a little" will split the case. And, hand tight is just that... you can always check for leaks later... Listers: is retorquing necessary after engine heat up? while warm? or cold? aw _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:16:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFGRXo024970; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:16:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFGQ50024962; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:16:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: bhuson@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:16:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2003 15:16:19.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[589EF740:01C2DF3C] >Too bad you couldn't just have applied a stream of warm liquid to the gas >cap. That might have thawed it! > >:-) >Chris Norloff Nonono! Hork lives in Virginia! Whapping the ice loose with a Bible is fine, but the minute exposure of a certain body part to hose the lock with warm liquid is a hanging crime in Fundieland Virginia. And you don't wanna know what they hang you from.========================== But it's okay in Maryland?. in D.C? Depends on the alley, in Gtown? Depends on the Bar. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:22:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFM4Xo027455; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:22:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFM30C027448; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:22:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5F7DF9.4704F892@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:19:21 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Who rode? References: <002e01c2df38$b063fa60$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > > OK, the usual question - who rode today? The main roads were wet for my > trip, although it was a little dicey getting going on our side street. The > rat bike has gotten a workout this winter. I caged. I had a guy in a black audi TT in front of me. he wanted to get in my lane, and we were both going about the same speed. so, being the nice guy, I backed off and let him in. he then proceeded to slow down by 10 mph. so I moved into the right lane to pass him, since there was ample traction and miminal snow/slush. he moved into the middle of the road to block me. I'm not ordinarily given to road rage. this morning was a notable exception. we came up to a light where the right lane is right turn only, left lane to go straight. I had to go straight, so i got back behind him, and he got back into the left lane. I was REALLY trying not to let this guy get to me, but I wasn't really succeeding; however, I was NOT going to let him know. we cross through the light, and the right lane is solid snow pack. no good footing, so I don't blast around him...yet. I byde me tyme... right lane clears, I move over to the right he gets in my lane. I move to the left, he straddles the middle. at this point, it's gotten nearly comical. I had been ready to start shooting, but now I'm laughing. I back off a bit, and he gets into the right lane. my turn is approaching, I can just wait. He gets into the right turn lane for the road before mine, but is straddling the right lane and the right turn lane. I've got a small car. an 84 CRX. you can damn near fit two in a lane, so I'm just going to hold my lane, albeit, cheated over to the left. he rolls his window down, and is motioning for me to move over to the left, to give him more room. heh. we'll fit, and I know it. and that is when fate, fortune, whatever, smiled upon me. as I passed him, I was running through some fairly deep slush. I saw it shooting into his car. he *had* been wearing a white shirt. felling fully vindicated, I pulled into the office parking lot and did a few handbrake donuts, just for laughs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:23:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFNOXo027510; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:23:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFNORB027502; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:23:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030228152312.64387.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:23:12 -0800 (PST) From: patti rodgers Subject: Interesting State Farm policy addendum To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030226/ap_on_bi_ge/state_farm_1 State Farm will no longer cover any vehicle or property damage sustained as a result of a nuclear explosion or fallout. Now, I know that other insurance companies are going to follow State Farm's lead (some small companies already have this rule and pretty much all of the big companies are ruling out damage as a result of terrorism), and I know they are in business to make money and understand the business aspects of this new decision. And I also know that, quite frankly, in event of nuclear explosion, the *last* thing I am going to be worring about is my State Farm policy! But it still makes me feel a little funny... opinions? -patti __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:24:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFOCXo028847; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:24:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFOC4e028840; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:24:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: carl@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:24:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2003 15:24:05.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E409300:01C2DF3D] as long as the runways are clear on Sunday.... cuz I'm going to Key West.. it's for work but.... heck KEY WEST for a week!!! Respite is just 2 days away.... aw _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:27:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFRuXo001124; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:27:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFRuQb001109; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:27:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5F7FC5.9CBFFC25@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:27:01 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Wah CC: Witold@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tools etc... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Wah wrote: > Listers: is retorquing necessary after engine heat up? > while warm? > or cold? Read the factory mamual. Retorquing when done as required is done after a cool down from hot. But some heads are not to be retorqued, or even torqued the first time. Example - stretch head bolts. Those have to be replaced along with the head gasket every time you pull the head because they *stretch*. You torque them down in a specific pattern to say 90 ft/lbs, then you take one last crank on the bolt for like 90 to 180 degrees of rotation, according to factory specs. No final torque, the bolt stretchs and can't be reused. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:28:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFSVXo001178; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:28:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFSULh001163; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:28:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:46:17 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Who rode? In-Reply-To: <3E5F7AAB.6E1C608C@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > I'm still shoveling. Wore out one shovel, working on number two. The > price one pays for having two driveways, one of which is a doublewide > at least 50' long. Another day of this and I'll need a stepladder to > see of the side piles! Screw that. I fired up my snowblower and did my driveway and walk in about 10 minutes. :-) Now I'm heading off to the gym :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:29:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFTmXo002395; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:29:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFTlue002386; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:29:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:29:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Who rode? In-reply-to: <3E5F7AAB.6E1C608C@patriot.net> To: dc-cycles list Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > I'm still shoveling. Wore out one shovel, working on number two. The > price one pays for having two driveways, one of which is a doublewide > at least 50' long. Another day of this and I'll need a stepladder to > see of the side piles! > You need a blade for the front and some chains for the rear tire on that Hawg of yours... -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:33:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFXLXo004743; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:33:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFXLQZ004733; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:33:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Whapping in Virginia Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:33:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2003 15:33:14.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[B535E610:01C2DF3E] >Nonono! Hork lives in Virginia! Whapping the ice loose with a Bible >is >fine, but the minute exposure of a certain body part to hose the >lock with >warm liquid is a hanging crime in Fundieland Virginia. And >you don't >wanna know what they hang you from. =================================================== It is obvious you haven't been to Virginia lately, thing are whapped with $500 big bertha drivers located in $600 gawf bags... we're talking yuppie-land... unless you live in Manassas, which is blue collar hold-out until every spare inch of land is built on and it looks like Arlington, then it will go through the yuppie transition. At which point something around Culpeper will become a bluecollar stronghold...perhaps Earnest Virginia will come to pass as Reston and even Columbia MD did. aw _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:33:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFXvXo006077; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:33:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFXv5X006070; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:33:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5F8130.5226ED98@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:33:04 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Who rode? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > > I'm still shoveling. Wore out one shovel, working on number two. The > > price one pays for having two driveways, one of which is a doublewide > > at least 50' long. Another day of this and I'll need a stepladder to > > see of the side piles! > > Screw that. I fired up my snowblower and did my driveway and walk in > about 10 minutes. :-) Now I'm heading off to the gym :-) After my workout, I'm skipping the gym today! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:34:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFYOXo006131; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:34:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFYO1n006124; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:34:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767AA21B@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'Adam Wah'" , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:43:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Damn, I knew I shoulda just gone into Old Ebbitt like I really wanted to. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Wah [SMTP:hotrivet@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:01 AM > To: MLynch@XXXXXX; DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: > > > Alcohol will unfreeze a lock just as well. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:36:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFaNXo007313; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:36:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFaN9H007309; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:36:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030228153620.62120.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:36:20 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Who rode? To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <027301c2df3b$0690c290$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am resolving it by bending over and having the plumber visit today. Renting another snake is not an option as its been out of service for one month and the better half is pissed --- Dave Yates wrote: > Ditto. Did you get the plumbing situation resolved? > > > > I am 'working from home' today. > > > > > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > OK, the usual question - who rode today? The > main > > > roads were wet for my > > > trip, although it was a little dicey getting > going > > > on our side street. The > > > rat bike has gotten a workout this winter. > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:37:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFbSXo008508; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:37:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFbRHg008498; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:37:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ/QhSM2aMmL2sOqqdgFetABL1z5mpEEApJXJcNj47N4i/93qFUmqMlQwRYLSiloZ8= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Interesting State Farm policy addendum Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:37:24 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010F01@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830C12F1@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Importance: Normal I couldn't quite figure out if they would still cover if the vehicle/property was damaged/unusable due to radioactive contamination...i.e. not a result from a nuclear explosion, but from some idiot with some damn Cesium or Cobalt isotope...spread by plain old gunpowder-boom explosion or otherwise. Don't rub a banana on your motorcycle, you'll contaminate it with a Potassium isotope (K-40) with a half life of 1.3*10^9 years! Eek, run away! --jon -----Patti wrote: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030226/ap_on_bi_ge/s tate_farm_1 State Farm will no longer cover any vehicle or property damage sustained as a result of a nuclear explosion or fallout. Now, I know that other insurance companies are going to follow State Farm's lead (some small companies already have this rule and pretty much all of the big companies are ruling out damage as a result of terrorism), and I know they are in business to make money and understand the business aspects of this new decision. And I also know that, quite frankly, in event of nuclear explosion, the *last* thing I am going to be worring about is my State Farm policy! But it still makes me feel a little funny... opinions? -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:38:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFcAXo009682; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:38:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFcAe7009676; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:38:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02af01c2df3f$4fcbb880$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030228152312.64387.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Interesting State Farm policy addendum Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:37:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7943872ce17193813d1ff8c9545008f571350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Patti Noticed: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030226/ap_on_bi_ge/state _farm_1 > > State Farm will no longer cover any vehicle or > property damage sustained as a result of a nuclear > explosion or fallout. [Dave] Every insurance policy I've seen has an "act of war" exclusion... I do suppose that an unannounced terrorist initiated sub nuclear detonation *could* legally skirt through as legally not an act of war, so it looks to me like they're further indemnifying themselves. Like you pointed out, that wouldn't be a prime concern... OTOH, what about a terrorist initiated conventional bomb, or fertilizer/nitro bomb? or, what if your vehicle or property is damaged as a result of the ensuing panic, not the explosion itself??? Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:39:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFdGXo010892; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:39:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFdFo1010877; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:39:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: Witold@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tools etc... Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:39:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2003 15:39:08.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[886E5120:01C2DF3F] I had an oil sump (BMW airhead) which I could never stop weeping oil... turned out over the years the surface becomes uneven due to the bolts pulling the aluminum out into little rises around the holes... solution... milling (on the bike) with a special tool developed for just that problem. Witold... although the click torque wrenches add a degree of easiness to the process... beams are less expensive however... you can't read them upside down easily when working a kickstand level... I use a mirror. The actual torquing of a bolt is the finishing touch and it "happens" in around a half a turn during the finality of putting the bolt at spec. >From: "William J. Huson" >To: Adam Wah >CC: Witold@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Tools etc... >Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:27:01 -0500 > >Adam Wah wrote: > > > Listers: is retorquing necessary after engine heat up? > > while warm? > > or cold? > >Read the factory mamual. Retorquing when done as required is done after a >cool >down from hot. But some heads are not to be retorqued, or even torqued the >first time. Example - stretch head bolts. Those have to be replaced along >with the head gasket every time you pull the head because they *stretch*. >You >torque them down in a specific pattern to say 90 ft/lbs, then you take one >last >crank on the bolt for like 90 to 180 degrees of rotation, according to >factory >specs. No final torque, the bolt stretchs and can't be reused. > >Bill > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:39:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFdWXo010933; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:39:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFdWDZ010929; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:39:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'William J. Huson'" , Mark Kitchell Cc: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Subject: RE: Who rode? Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:39:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I am hoping my shovels hold out too. I am tired of being at home so I went to work for some quiet. I have a three year old and a ten month old and it can get rather chaotic at times. -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:05 AM To: Mark Kitchell Cc: Paul Wilson; dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Who rode? Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am 'working from home' today. > I'm still shoveling. Wore out one shovel, working on number two. The price one pays for having two driveways, one of which is a doublewide at least 50' long. Another day of this and I'll need a stepladder to see of the side piles! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:39:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFdYXo010967; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:39:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFdYZW010961; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:39:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Interesting State Farm policy addendum Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:38:32 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <008401c2df3f$74b6b5a0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20030228152312.64387.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Kind of bothers me. I pay for insurance to cover my ass for things I can't control. So now if a dirty bomb goes off and some radioactivity goes over your house (you there or not) your house could be condemed but state farm goes sorry, no money for you. Heck, if a dirty bomb goes off in DC everyhouse in NoVA and MD will be worthless even if its not affected. Who wants to live there... Now you have a $xxxx mortgage, car payments, etc... and no house or cars... Or even better, some terrorist blows up a little plane and it lands on your house. So they destroy your house, 2 cars and your MC (on topic now) and nothing else. Sorry we don't cover that. There is a cardboard box over there on the street corner. Nice. Unlikely, but what the hell do I pay insurance for... -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: patti rodgers [mailto:dcpatti@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:23 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Interesting State Farm policy addendum > > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030226/ap_ > on_bi_ge/state_farm_1 > > State Farm will no longer cover any vehicle or > property damage sustained as a result of a nuclear > explosion or fallout. > > Now, I know that other insurance companies are going > to follow State Farm's lead (some small companies > already have this rule and pretty much all of the big > companies are ruling out damage as a result of > terrorism), and I know they are in business to make > money and understand the business aspects of this new > decision. And I also know that, quite frankly, in > event of nuclear explosion, the *last* thing I am > going to be worring about is my State Farm policy! > > But it still makes me feel a little funny... opinions? > > -patti > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 10:41:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SFfYXo013313; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:41:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SFfXhJ013298; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:41:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.218] From: "Adam Wah" To: MLynch@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:41:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2003 15:41:26.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA970820:01C2DF3F] You didn't even have to hit a CVS, ABC or local ol' likker locker would have been just fine... maybe better! >From: Michael Lynch >To: 'Adam Wah' , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:43:44 -0500 > >Damn, I knew I shoulda just gone into Old Ebbitt like I really wanted to. > >Mike >96 VFR >88 Hawk >76 CB400F > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adam Wah [SMTP:hotrivet@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:01 AM > > To: MLynch@XXXXXX; DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: > > > > > > Alcohol will unfreeze a lock just as well. > > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 11:04:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SG4IXo021458; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:04:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SG4IJk021448; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:04:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E5F87DB.AC6E26C@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:01:31 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Interesting State Farm policy addendum References: <008401c2df3f$74b6b5a0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim McGonigle wrote: > > Kind of bothers me. I pay for insurance to cover my ass for things I > can't control. So now if a dirty bomb goes off and some radioactivity > goes over your house (you there or not) your house could be condemed but > state farm goes sorry, no money for you. Heck, if a dirty bomb goes off > in DC everyhouse in NoVA and MD will be worthless even if its not > affected. Who wants to live there... Now you have a $xxxx mortgage, car > payments, etc... and no house or cars... > > Or even better, some terrorist blows up a little plane and it lands on > your house. So they destroy your house, 2 cars and your MC (on topic > now) and nothing else. Sorry we don't cover that. There is a cardboard > box over there on the street corner. > > Nice. > > Unlikely, but what the hell do I pay insurance for... > > -Jim I think that if your insurance co refused and it was only your house, some calls to the media would straighten them right out. I have State Farm, and my house flooded due to a ruptured washer hose. I had 2 week old hardwood floors and carpet. they refused to pay for it. I read my policy and those things were covered. so i sent them a letter with a copy of my policy, and copied it to the State insurance commissioner. they came by two days later, and walked around saying "we'll replace it". they are SO far behind on my house, it's not even funny. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 11:40:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SGebXo024166; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:40:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SGeaTT024156; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:40:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002401c2df48$52239c20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Adam Wah" , , References: Subject: Re: RE: Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:36:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Thanks for the tip. And, ya know, liquor stores are just sooo hard to find in DC. One of those little bottles of the cheapest vodka they have should work. Gordon's Good Ole Down Home Made in Virginny vodka, not one of those yuppie brands. Then mix yourself up a nice drink with the leftovers when you get home. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Wah" > You didn't even have to hit a CVS, ABC or local ol' likker locker would > have been just fine... maybe better! > > >From: Michael Lynch > >To: 'Adam Wah' , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:43:44 -0500 > > > >Damn, I knew I shoulda just gone into Old Ebbitt like I really wanted to. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Adam Wah [SMTP:hotrivet@XXXXXX] > > > > > > Alcohol will unfreeze a lock just as well. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 11:41:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SGfXXo024228; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:41:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SGfXK0024218; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:41:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030228113403.0114c130@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:41:49 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Whapping in Virginia In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:33 AM 2/28/2003, Adam Wah wrote: >It is obvious you haven't been to Virginia lately, thing are whapped with >$500 big bertha drivers located in $600 gawf bags... we're talking >yuppie-land... unless you live in Manassas, which is blue collar hold-out >until every spare inch of land is built on and it looks like Arlington, >then it will go through the yuppie transition. At which point something >around Culpeper will become a bluecollar stronghold...perhaps Earnest >Virginia will come to pass as Reston and even Columbia MD did. Its funny - for some reason Manassas refers to most of Prince William County, even though the city is relatively small. We recently moved to PWC from Centreville (not a big move) just far enough outside of Manassas Park to see only farms. My wife is from the area halfway between Dumfries and Manassas - I affectionately refer to it as 'Dumbass'. Most of that area is a mix of rural and suburban - as is my area. But Manassas City proper is Sim City zoning gone mad. Commerical piled on Industrial and high density residential. Bizzare. Oh - I bought Sim City 4 last night - very realistic. I was hooked on the original in '89. Anyway - Manassas is already quite suburban - with a heavy dose of blue collar industry thrown in. It is the last big city for quite a ways out 66W - it will probably remain stuck in split personality mode for many years. MC Content : Consider PWC as gateway to the great motorcycle rides of NoVA. I think my battery is dead. I haven't ridden since early January. Between a trip to Cali, surgery and the snow, I probably won't be on it again until the end of March. Sigh. PS - The real whapping occurs in and around Lynchburg. Weird little area. Still very racially divided, extremely poor and fun/scary at night. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 11:46:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SGkEXo027736; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:46:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SGkETG027726; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:46:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:46:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200302281146.AA123142416@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Interesting State Farm policy addendum X-Mailer: I wonder if "fallout" means radioactive particulate matter only from a nuclear explosion, or radioactive particulate matter from *any* source ... such as a "dirty bomb". Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: patti rodgers Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:23:12 -0800 (PST) >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030226/ap_on_bi_ge/state_farm_1 > >State Farm will no longer cover any vehicle or >property damage sustained as a result of a nuclear >explosion or fallout. > >Now, I know that other insurance companies are going >to follow State Farm's lead (some small companies >already have this rule and pretty much all of the big >companies are ruling out damage as a result of >terrorism), and I know they are in business to make >money and understand the business aspects of this new >decision. And I also know that, quite frankly, in >event of nuclear explosion, the *last* thing I am >going to be worring about is my State Farm policy! > >But it still makes me feel a little funny... opinions? > >-patti > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 17:30:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1SMU2Xo001140; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:30:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1SMU1ss001130; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:30:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 28 Feb 2003 22:29:56 GMT Message-ID: <00b801c2df7b$87371260$6401a8c0@nv.cox.net> From: "Laura Granato" To: "cplvfr" , References: <007601c2dec0$f4846680$a689bc3f@de3bw> Subject: Re: Signing off and shipping out Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:48:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Keep safe over there Travis. I have to say, until my brother-in-law went over to Kuwait...he left about five months ago, I never really stopped to think of the affect that takes toll on families and friends when our troops leave. After watching my sister and her two kids going through this trying time, my eyes have opened wide to the seriousness of what is going on in the world. Please keep safe and make it back home so we can all head out to do some racing and have some fun! Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 28 19:44:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h210imXo010591; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:44:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h210ilKm010581; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:44:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030301004440.7555.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:44:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: two things.... To: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <002e01c2df38$b063fa60$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii just checking in. been a while since i last posted, but i have been keeping loose track of some of the threads. i have two observations to make as a result of the recent list activity: 1. i couldn't possibly care less who rode today, yesterday, or the day before. there appear to be 3 people that actually give a shit. 2. fuck kitchell. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/