From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 00:40:08 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:39:51 EST Subject: Re: Road rage incident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/31/2002 5:33:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, lantech.cwd@XXXXXX writes: > I agree with the one-finger salute 100%! > But I also don't think it is worth it to try and prove who's got the right > of way. It is also a good bet that the guy was higher then a kite. Never assume they are sober or sane. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 00:49:50 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:49:19 EST Subject: Re: Help me, please... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/31/2002 10:28:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX writes: > a patrol car coming at me, how the hell can > he tell how fast I was going? He was moving too! He bounced a microwave signal off of you, a computer measured the Doppler shift converted it to the speed the two vehicles were closing on each other, read the speedometer of the cop car, simple subtraction, voala! you are busted. If it was any harder then that do you think they could do it? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 01:38:00 2002 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:37:59 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: survey: how much for 5 years of Motorcycle Consumer News? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have almost all (if not all) issues of Motorcycle Consumer News since Jan 1995, IMO the best and most useful of MC magazines. I'm in the process of scanning them all in and creating cross references between them so as to get a complete break-down on subject matter along the lines of Columns/Editorial, Bike tests, Product tests, Techincal HOwTo's, and Riding Technique, etc. Navigation will be via HTML links and also Acrobat PDF bookmarks. All magazine content is at 300dpi PDF. It's a ton of work but I think I'll enjoy doing it and providing it on CDrom to MSF students, etc. I'm also trying to see if I can interest MCN magazine staff and MCReports on the venture. But even if they don't bite, I would like to guage the interest level in such a resource and roughly how much you'd be willing to pay for it (1995 to 2000). $50? $75, $100? Annual editions would probably be like $30 and include the previous year or two. A reference point (cost wise) is MCReports which is $6 an issue so my product is a major cost savings not to mention actually useful and won't get torn or otherwise destroyed over time. I'm not setting out to make a mint here but rather following in the footsteps of the SV/RC51/Katana etc. communities that sell microfishe/manual CD's and such to their fellow riders. I think MCN is a fabulous magazine but am frustrated to no end that their website is utterly useless and there is nearly no way to know what they published and when. Let alone read the articles themselves. There is so much useful and good information within these pages that I think it's an utter waste not to get it into more hands. I think a CD such as this (purhaps limited to say 2 or 3 years worth) would be an absolute SMASH hit at the trade-show booths. I look forward to your comments. If you would like to forward this message on to other lists or parties, please CONTACT ME FIRST! Thank you __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 07:20:09 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:19:51 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: matthew patton cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: survey: how much for 5 years of Motorcycle Consumer News? X-Loop-Detect: 1 How are you going to address the copyright issues? On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, matthew patton wrote in part: > I have almost all (if not all) issues of Motorcycle Consumer News since > Jan 1995 ... providing it on CDrom From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 08:22:53 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:22:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: survey: how much for 5 years of Motorcycle Consumer News? To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX just as a guess i'd say you'd get sued for ~$1m for copyright infringement. there may also be criminal liability.... perhaps that wasn't the answer you were looking for.... ;) --- matthew patton wrote: > I have almost all (if not all) issues of Motorcycle > Consumer News since > Jan 1995, IMO the best and most useful of MC magazines. > I'm in the > process of scanning them all in and creating cross > references between > them so as to get a complete break-down on subject matter > along the > lines of Columns/Editorial, Bike tests, Product tests, > Techincal > HOwTo's, and Riding Technique, etc. Navigation will be > via HTML links > and also Acrobat PDF bookmarks. All magazine content is > at 300dpi PDF. > > It's a ton of work but I think I'll enjoy doing it and > providing it on > CDrom to MSF students, etc. I'm also trying to see if I > can interest > MCN magazine staff and MCReports on the venture. But even > if they don't > bite, I would like to guage the interest level in such a > resource and > roughly how much you'd be willing to pay for it (1995 to > 2000). $50? > $75, $100? Annual editions would probably be like $30 and > include the > previous year or two. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 08:24:14 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:22:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: survey: how much for 5 years of Motorcycle Consumer News? Best retain a good lawyer, you'll need one when MCN sues your butt off for copyright infringement. Task number one for your lawyer should be an attempt to contracturally obtian permission from MCN along with a royalty agreement. Bill intellectual property rights tis my bizz... matthew patton wrote: > I have almost all (if not all) issues of Motorcycle Consumer News since > Jan 1995, IMO the best and most useful of MC magazines. I'm in the > process of scanning them all in and creating cross references between > them so as to get a complete break-down on subject matter along the > lines of Columns/Editorial, Bike tests, Product tests, Techincal > HOwTo's, and Riding Technique, etc. Navigation will be via HTML links > and also Acrobat PDF bookmarks. All magazine content is at 300dpi PDF. > > It's a ton of work but I think I'll enjoy doing it and providing it on > CDrom to MSF students, etc. I'm also trying to see if I can interest > MCN magazine staff and MCReports on the venture. But even if they don't > bite, I would like to guage the interest level in such a resource and > roughly how much you'd be willing to pay for it (1995 to 2000). $50? > $75, $100? Annual editions would probably be like $30 and include the > previous year or two. > > A reference point (cost wise) is MCReports which is $6 an issue so my > product is a major cost savings not to mention actually useful and > won't get torn or otherwise destroyed over time. I'm not setting out to > make a mint here but rather following in the footsteps of the > SV/RC51/Katana etc. communities that sell microfishe/manual CD's and > such to their fellow riders. I think MCN is a fabulous magazine but am > frustrated to no end that their website is utterly useless and there is > nearly no way to know what they published and when. Let alone read the > articles themselves. There is so much useful and good information > within these pages that I think it's an utter waste not to get it into > more hands. I think a CD such as this (purhaps limited to say 2 or 3 > years worth) would be an absolute SMASH hit at the trade-show booths. > > I look forward to your comments. If you would like to forward this > message on to other lists or parties, please CONTACT ME FIRST! > > Thank you > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 08:38:55 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:38:54 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: MCN copyright RE: [VRTP-Test] survey: how much for 5 years of Motorcycle Consum er News? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I don't want to have to write a million messages saying the same thing. Yes, I am QUITE familiar with the copy-right issues and will take them up *AGAIN* with MCN. I tried almost a year ago and they weren't the least bit interested in even talking to me about it. With some example CD's in hand I can hopefully get their blasted attention. If nothing else my cross reference is all mine and I can do with it what I wish. The reason I"m asking about possible pricing is simple. I need to know the marketability of and demand for the product and have some data points to argue with MCN if they decry the "sky would fall" in their revenue stream. I would like nothing more than for them to buy the product off of me or agree to a revenue-sharing setup. I'm not out to screw MCN out of revenue nor for that matter MCReports.com which makes it's money doing reprints. I also need to know that if MCN would give me license and they want a cut, how much I can expect to make, and how much they can expect to make. But MCN in particular needs a major kick in the hindquarters to get them to pay the 'net and the digital age some attention. Just because they didn't grow up on Pc's doesn't mean none of their readership couldn't spend $300 for a scanner, CD writers and some labels and do what I'm doing. For crying out loud they should have had a product like this YEARS ago. Now, can i have some answers to original question please? Thank you again. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 09:20:52 2002 From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Help me, please... Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:20:46 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB2B.A3DAE660 Insurance going up? What insurance do you have? You know, they only find out about your tickets if they by chance do a checkup on your DMV records. When I worked for State Farm, there were random spot checks on policy holders, but they were FEW and far between. Sometimes a policy holder would get busted when they went to add/subtract a car from their policy and SF did a check on their record. Otherwise, I know quite a few people that got tickets, rode out the 3 year time period and never received a surcharge from their insurance. I AM SURE that some insurance companies do this differently.. Perhaps they check every year? AFAIK, State Farm does NOT do this. I wouldn't put it past geico or progressive to do this though... Others on the list may know. Brian 99 VFR, 81 CB750F, clean record, no points (yikes im screwed now) -----Original Message----- From: Howard J. Koontz [mailto:HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:28 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help me, please... Hello - Well, it happened to me. For the first time in my storied driving career, I got stopped by John Law for speeding. Damn, he ruined my perfect streak. Well, anyway, I'm a newbie at this court trial thing, and need (a lot) some help. Can anyone recommend a person (preferably a lawyer, but not necessarily) who can answer some questions for me? BTW, it was in Howard County, MD. I was clocked (by a patrol car coming at me, how the hell can he tell how fast I was going? He was moving too! I digress...) by a county patrolman doing 62 in a 45. I'm so clueless I don't even know what more details to give or what questions to ask, but $70 seems like a lot to me, especially when it's going to result in my insurance rates going up this coming April!! Anyway, I'll be heading out of town (going to Cleveland to the IX Center to catch the C/W Int'l M/C Show with some friends) beginning Friday morning and will return late Sunday evening. Feel free to reply to me off-list. TIA. Howard J. Koontz hofojoko@XXXXXX 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB2B.A3DAE660 RE: Help me, please...

Insurance going up?  What insurance do you = have?  You know, they only find out about your tickets if they by = chance do a checkup on your DMV records.  When I worked for State = Farm, there were random spot checks on policy holders, but they were = FEW and far between.  Sometimes a policy holder would get busted = when they went to add/subtract a car from their policy and SF did a = check on their record.  Otherwise, I know quite a few people that = got tickets, rode out the 3 year time period and never received a = surcharge from their insurance.  I AM SURE that some insurance = companies do this differently.. Perhaps they check every year?  = AFAIK, State Farm does NOT do this.  I wouldn't put it past geico = or progressive to do this though... Others on the list may = know.

Brian
99 VFR, 81 CB750F, clean record, no points (yikes im = screwed now)

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard J. Koontz [mailto:HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:28 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Help me, please...


Hello - Well, it happened to me. For the first time = in my storied driving career, I got stopped by John Law for speeding. = Damn, he ruined my perfect streak. Well, anyway, I'm a newbie at this = court trial thing, and need (a

lot) some help. Can anyone recommend a person = (preferably a lawyer, but not
necessarily) who can answer some questions for me? = BTW, it was in Howard County,  MD. I was clocked (by a patrol car = coming at me, how the hell can he tell how fast I was going? He was = moving too! I digress...) by a county patrolman doing 62 in a = 45.

I'm so clueless I don't even know what more details = to give or what questions to ask, but $70 seems like a lot to me, = especially when it's going to result in my insurance rates going up = this coming April!!

Anyway, I'll be heading out of town (going to = Cleveland to the IX Center to catch the C/W Int'l M/C Show with some = friends) beginning Friday morning and will return late Sunday evening. = Feel free to reply to me off-list. TIA.


Howard J. Koontz
hofojoko@XXXXXX
2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide = Standard
1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB2B.A3DAE660-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 09:22:00 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:21:53 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Stinky cage sniffers coming ! I found this on Fox news - VA is going to use road side pipe sniffers with cameras to nab polluters. NOT to start a 'loud pipes' thread, but I wonder if an open pipe HD or piped & jetted sport bike would 'fail' ??? Dave
Supporters of the sensor call it a revolution in environmental safeguards, but opponents fear the radar equipment is reducing personal freedom from government surveillance. The laser sensor, which clocks cars' emissions to determine if they are in compliance with state standards, takes a photo image of violators' license plates, similar to the controversial cameras already used in some areas to bust speeders and traffic light violators. The state of Virginia is planning a pilot program at two remote stations along the roadways in the Washington area to test the technology and how it would be used. If the test, planned for 2003, is successful, a full program may be implemented in which the drivers of noxious cars would be notified by mail that their automobiles need to be fixed. "The least obtrusive way to maintain air quality, that's our focus," said Bill Hayden, a spokesperson for the Virginia Department of Environmental Quality. But opponents of the remote emissions tests say they are just another way for the government to spy on its citizens, this time using the environment to garner support for more cameras on the nation's roadways. "They're just expanding the same photo enforcement technology and they're going to keep expanding into more and more intrusive places," said Richard Diamond, a spokesman for House Majority Leader Dick Armey, who has been a vocal opponent of the red light cameras used in the D.C. suburbs of Virginia. True, the technology is not new. Developed by Donald Stedman and Gary Bishop of the University of Denver in the early 1990's, remote sensing has been tested and utilized in cities throughout North America, including California, which battles one of the worst air pollution problems in the U.S. Still the use of detection technology, including red light and speed cameras, is a source of apoplexy for civil libertarians, who are winning lawsuits against the cameras. At least three courts have ruled against the use of such cameras by municipalities in recent months. This week, a judge in Colorado shut down the use of photo radar cameras in Denver, saying the program violated both state and local laws. The judge dismissed the tickets of four defendants challenging the system and the city was forced to turn off the cameras. "The government should not be in the business of tracking its citizens unless they are committing a crime," Diamond said in support of the ruling. However, proponents of the cameras say traffic violators are committing crimes. "If you are doing something that is hurtful to others, then the government is supposed to track you and it's legitimate," said Arthur Green, chief scientist for the free-market Reason Public Policy Institute. "If you are driving a polluting vehicle than you are doing something wrong." Green said the remote sensor will only track cars that are not in compliance with the law, creating the possibility that laborious and expensive state inspections required of every driver could come to an end. That could be wishful thinking, however. Jim Harper, a privacy attorney and editor of Privacilla.org, said that adding the new sensors probably would not reduce government enforcement by other means. "One side of this may be that they will use this to replace the inspections M-^V you might reduce the burden for citizens. However, the chance that government would actually give up their inspections is slight and this could just be adding another layer of government." But Harper says if the government has probable cause M-^W like emissions violations M-^W to take a photo of one's license plate it is not a violation of privacy rights, as long as there is "a statutory and constitutional guarantee" that citizens' information would be used for nothing other keeping a statistical record of pollution in the area and to notify the driver of their car's violations. Diamond disagrees, and as a Virginia resident has had the personal experience to make his case. "I got a survey from the city of Alexandria, who said 'we know that you were traveling at this time of the day and we wanted to ask you some questions,' about an area construction project," he said. Diamond said the information was taken from a traffic photo camera, proving his point that the problem with the cameras is that they allow the government to track citizens' movements. The Texas American Civil Liberties Union concurs. That group called attention to a survey issued by the Texas Transportation Institute last summer based on the information gleaned by videotaped license plates at five spots along the Texas borders. ACLU activists say Americans should be protected from such intrusions. "One thing we have in this country is freedom of movement without being filmed and processed the entire time," Joann Bell, director of ACLU Oklahoma Foundation, said after the survey's release. -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 09:25:24 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help me, please... Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:24:47 -0500 Go to court. Don't pay for a lawyer. Ask for traffic school. It might land on a perfectly beautiful Saturday in April like mine did last year, but at least that offense never showed up on my record. "A Speeders Guide to Avoiding Tickets" is an easy read and talks a lot about what to do and say in court. I highly recommend the $6 for that over a lawyer fee. My parents made my spend $400 on one when I was 16, it was the only time I've been to traffic court and the offense wasn't at least lessened, yes I am still bitter. -----Original Message----- From: Howard J. Koontz [mailto:HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:28 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help me, please... Hello - Well, it happened to me. For the first time in my storied driving career, I got stopped by John Law for speeding. Damn, he ruined my perfect streak. Well, anyway, I'm a newbie at this court trial thing, and need (a lot) some help. Can anyone recommend a person (preferably a lawyer, but not necessarily) who can answer some questions for me? BTW, it was in Howard County, MD. I was clocked (by a patrol car coming at me, how the hell can he tell how fast I was going? He was moving too! I digress...) by a county patrolman doing 62 in a 45. I'm so clueless I don't even know what more details to give or what questions to ask, but $70 seems like a lot to me, especially when it's going to result in my insurance rates going up this coming April!! Anyway, I'll be heading out of town (going to Cleveland to the IX Center to catch the C/W Int'l M/C Show with some friends) beginning Friday morning and will return late Sunday evening. Feel free to reply to me off-list. TIA. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 09:30:11 2002 From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Stinky cage sniffers coming ! Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:28:10 -0500 Well, unless they're checking for Db, there's no problem as bikes don't have to pass an emissions test. Hallelujah, check some of those rolling smoke factories out there. I suppose they can ticket out of state vehicles, too. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner sdave@XXXXXX [said: I found this on Fox news - VA is going to use road side pipe sniffers with cameras to nab polluters. NOT to start a 'loud pipes' thread, but I wonder if an open pipe HD or piped & jetted sport bike would 'fail' ??? Dave **snippage** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 09:30:20 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Stinky cage sniffers coming ! Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:29:55 -0500 With VA emissions testing wouldn't this affect mostly out of state drivers that don't have to do emissions testing? -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:22 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stinky cage sniffers coming ! I found this on Fox news - VA is going to use road side pipe sniffers with cameras to nab polluters. NOT to start a 'loud pipes' thread, but I wonder if an open pipe HD or piped & jetted sport bike would 'fail' ??? Dave
Supporters of the sensor call it a revolution in environmental safeguards, but opponents fear the radar equipment is reducing personal freedom from government surveillance. The laser sensor, which clocks cars' emissions to determine if they are in compliance with state standards, takes a photo image of violators' license plates, similar to the controversial cameras already used in some areas to bust speeders and traffic light violators. The state of Virginia is planning a pilot program at two remote stations along the roadways in the Washington area to test the technology and how it would be used. If the test, planned for 2003, is successful, a full program may be implemented in which the drivers of noxious cars would be notified by mail that their automobiles need to be fixed. "The least obtrusive way to maintain air quality, that's our focus," said Bill Hayden, a spokesperson for the Virginia Department of Environmental Quality. But opponents of the remote emissions tests say they are just another way for the government to spy on its citizens, this time using the environment to garner support for more cameras on the nation's roadways. "They're just expanding the same photo enforcement technology and they're going to keep expanding into more and more intrusive places," said Richard Diamond, a spokesman for House Majority Leader Dick Armey, who has been a vocal opponent of the red light cameras used in the D.C. suburbs of Virginia. True, the technology is not new. Developed by Donald Stedman and Gary Bishop of the University of Denver in the early 1990's, remote sensing has been tested and utilized in cities throughout North America, including California, which battles one of the worst air pollution problems in the U.S. Still the use of detection technology, including red light and speed cameras, is a source of apoplexy for civil libertarians, who are winning lawsuits against the cameras. At least three courts have ruled against the use of such cameras by municipalities in recent months. This week, a judge in Colorado shut down the use of photo radar cameras in Denver, saying the program violated both state and local laws. The judge dismissed the tickets of four defendants challenging the system and the city was forced to turn off the cameras. "The government should not be in the business of tracking its citizens unless they are committing a crime," Diamond said in support of the ruling. However, proponents of the cameras say traffic violators are committing crimes. "If you are doing something that is hurtful to others, then the government is supposed to track you and it's legitimate," said Arthur Green, chief scientist for the free-market Reason Public Policy Institute. "If you are driving a polluting vehicle than you are doing something wrong." Green said the remote sensor will only track cars that are not in compliance with the law, creating the possibility that laborious and expensive state inspections required of every driver could come to an end. That could be wishful thinking, however. Jim Harper, a privacy attorney and editor of Privacilla.org, said that adding the new sensors probably would not reduce government enforcement by other means. "One side of this may be that they will use this to replace the inspections - you might reduce the burden for citizens. However, the chance that government would actually give up their inspections is slight and this could just be adding another layer of government." But Harper says if the government has probable cause - like emissions violations - to take a photo of one's license plate it is not a violation of privacy rights, as long as there is "a statutory and constitutional guarantee" that citizens' information would be used for nothing other keeping a statistical record of pollution in the area and to notify the driver of their car's violations. Diamond disagrees, and as a Virginia resident has had the personal experience to make his case. "I got a survey from the city of Alexandria, who said 'we know that you were traveling at this time of the day and we wanted to ask you some questions,' about an area construction project," he said. Diamond said the information was taken from a traffic photo camera, proving his point that the problem with the cameras is that they allow the government to track citizens' movements. The Texas American Civil Liberties Union concurs. That group called attention to a survey issued by the Texas Transportation Institute last summer based on the information gleaned by videotaped license plates at five spots along the Texas borders. ACLU activists say Americans should be protected from such intrusions. "One thing we have in this country is freedom of movement without being filmed and processed the entire time," Joann Bell, director of ACLU Oklahoma Foundation, said after the survey's release. -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 09:52:05 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:52:04 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Road rage incident ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Lantech (DCOP)" >But I'd rather be a little slow and paranoid than a little flat >and broken. I agree with the sentiment, but not always with the actions. I was deliberately run off the road last night while trying to enter I-270 in Rockville, and I should have accelerated out of harm's way. I was in the merge lane, accelerating, with my turn signal on. A lady pulled up next to me on the left, rear bumper about even with my leg, and moved over into the merge/exit lane pushing me out. She was also apparently deaf to the twin 110 decibel Fiamms. With big rear lights, a flashing turn signal, and wearing a new red Aerostich it's clear she saw me, and her choice was to run me off the road. So there are times when I think it pays to move fast. I should have gauged the approach speed of the car and moved out quicker than she could get at me. Sort of like that time-honored way of survival for mammals - be small, fast, and stay the hell out of the way. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 09:55:05 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:54:44 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: survey: how much for 5 years of Motorcycle Consumer News? It sounds like a good idea but I doubt MCN will let you get away with reprinting their magazine for profit. Hugh From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 09:57:48 2002 From: "Rob Keiser" To: broberso@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coolant Flush Procedure for VFR800 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 09:46:30 -0500 Hey Brian. I'm not sure on the procedure, since I had the shop do it with the valve check, but I can bring my manual over for you if you like. Let me know. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Coolant Flush Procedure for VFR800 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:15:57 -0500 I know, I know.. I should have the manual for this!! I have flushed radiators with cars so I know the gist of the procedure. I was not sure if the dual radiators called for some special procedures. Anyone having any input/advice, please let me know... Thanks! Brian _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 10:00:03 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , Subject: Re: Stinky cage sniffers coming ! Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:04:18 -0500 This was in the Washington Post a couple of weeks ago. It seems they want to go after the cars that actually contribute the most to the region's poor air quality instead of making everyone submit to bi-annual emissions testing, especially in cleaner late model vehicles. I think the argument could be made that nabbing the actual polluters rather than having everyone submit to testing is actually less intrusive to the average citizen. Bikes are not tested in DC, cars get it every two years. FWIW, when in lived in Chicago, they had a random emissions testing program. You got a notice from the DMV and you had to show up within 60 days. I suspect owners with older vehicles got pulled in more often. We don't have to ditch the aftermarket exhausts, the jet kits and the Power Commanders just yet, but it may only be a matter of time until bikes get snared by the emissions dragnet too. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: Stinky cage sniffers coming ! > I found this on Fox news - > VA is going to use road side pipe sniffers with cameras to nab > polluters. NOT to start a 'loud pipes' thread, but I wonder if an > open pipe HD or piped & jetted sport bike would 'fail' ??? > > Dave > >
> Supporters of the sensor call it a revolution in environmental > safeguards, but opponents fear the radar equipment is reducing > personal freedom from government surveillance. > > The laser sensor, which clocks cars' emissions to determine if they > are in compliance with state standards, takes a photo image of > violators' license plates, similar to the controversial cameras > already used in some areas to bust speeders and traffic light > violators. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 10:05:20 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:05:19 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Road Rage Documentation I carry disposable cameras in all my vehicles in case I need to document something, like a wreck. I figure the more evidence I have the better off I am. I wonder if this would help document a Road Rage incident for prosecution? It could show the other vehicle (and tag) and the driver - assuming you can get close enough afterwards to get a picture. In Garcia's case it might not be wise to get close to the assailant! While helmet video cams are intriguing, a cheap disposable camera would be more practical for most of us. Thoughts? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 10:11:29 2002 From: "C C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFR in DC WANTED Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:11:22 +0000 hello, please email me at pierfconsa to let me know if you have a HONDA VFR for sale available in DC. I am really looking at the 98 model, but please let me know. I also like triumph bikes, especially the ST and the tiger. Pierfrancesco _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 10:15:40 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Stinky cage sniffers coming ! Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:14:28 -0500 > Paul wrote: > It seems they want > to go after the cars that actually contribute the most to the > region's poor air quality instead of making everyone submit to bi-annual emissions > testing, especially in cleaner late model vehicles. I think the argument > could be made that nabbing the actual polluters rather than > having everyone submit to testing is actually less intrusive to the average citizen. Or is it: (a) a pretty nifty excuse to get more cameras up so The Government (aka Big Bro) can monitor your comings and goings (b) the announcement of a new government revenue stream disguised as "good for the environment" (c) a misdirection to conceal the true goal: contain poor people to their own neighborhoods (no $500 chevy is gonna be on the roads after this) (d) a brilliant Libertarian multimedia troll to show the true motives of Dems (and many Repubs) (e) another source of wealth for the environmental-government complex (the bastard child of the military-industrial complex that lived in many 70s and 80s movies) Any other ideas? I can't wait for the laser-sniffers that check my BAC whilst I drive down the road. That would be less intrusive than actually pulling me over and asking me to submit to a breathlyzer. And Think Of The Children it would save! --jon 01B12 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 10:16:34 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: Road Rage Documentation Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:15:22 -0500 This would only work if the camaras are made by Lockheed Martin and they get a kickback on every arrest made. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:05 AM > To: List-dc cycles > Subject: Road Rage Documentation > > > I carry disposable cameras in all my vehicles in case I need to > document something, like a wreck. I figure the more evidence I > have the better off I am. > > I wonder if this would help document a Road Rage incident for > prosecution? It could show the other vehicle (and tag) and the > driver - assuming you can get close enough afterwards to get a > picture. In Garcia's case it might not be wise to get close to > the assailant! > > While helmet video cams are intriguing, a cheap disposable camera > would be more practical for most of us. > > Thoughts? > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 10:17:44 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:18:33 -0500 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: MCN copyright RE: [VRTP-Test] survey: how much for 5 years of Motorcycle Consum er News? At 08:38 AM 2/1/2002, matthew patton wrote: >Yes, I am QUITE familiar with the copy-right issues and will take them >up *AGAIN* with MCN. I tried almost a year ago and they weren't the >least bit interested in even talking to me about it. But Matthew, it doesn't sound like you are "familiar with the issues." You are announcing plans to break the law. >With some example >CD's in hand I can hopefully get their blasted attention. If nothing >else my cross reference is all mine and I can do with it what I wish. That is incorrect. So long as your CD contains their registered copyright information, it is illegal. You have no right to create the usual software "single backup copy for personal purposes" of a print publication; you may make a facsimile copy of a particular article for *fair use*, but that's about it. A court can (and will, if MCN asks it to) take *all* copies of your CD from you. >I would like nothing more than for them to buy the >product off of me or agree to a revenue-sharing setup. There is nothing for them to buy off you. There is nothing new or nonobvious here -- many magazines, including Sys Admin and others, do this already. If they like it, they can simply take the idea and do with it what they wish. I'd recommend you talk to an intellectual property lawyer before proceeding. And to answer your most important question, I, for one, wouldn't pay anything for such a product. Regards, Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 10:21:55 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:20:11 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stinky cage sniffers coming ! sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > I found this on Fox news - > VA is going to use road side pipe sniffers with cameras to nab > polluters. NOT to start a 'loud pipes' thread, but I wonder if an > open pipe HD or piped & jetted sport bike would 'fail' ??? YES! Air cooled engines are exempt fom emmisions testing because they don't stand good chance of passing the routine car oriented test. The old air cooled VWs also slide by. California requires catylitic converters on M/C but very few out of CA bikes have them. Manufacturors have to jet and tune to meet a minimum EPA/DOT standard but the moment a wrench turns to chnage those factory settings the bike is done RE emmisions. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 10:23:12 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:23:09 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Road Rage Documentation I carry disposable cameras in all my vehicles in case I need to document something, like a wreck. I figure the more evidence I have the better off I am. I wonder if this would help document a Road Rage incident for prosecution? It could show the other vehicle (and tag) and the driver - assuming you can get close enough afterwards to get a picture. In Garcia's case it might not be wise to get close to the assailant! While helmet video cams are intriguing, a cheap disposable camera would be more practical for most of us. Thoughts? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 10:28:35 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:26:51 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: RichH@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stinky cage sniffers coming ! RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > With VA emissions testing wouldn't this affect mostly out of state drivers > that don't have to do emissions testing? > Nope. We have a right to travel without hinderance so I believe that negates all *local* laws which aren't related to safety = speed, headlights on, etc etc... VAs notorious anti-jackemup high law can't be enforced on out-of-state hi-riders. If we wanted to clean the air BUST THE TRUCKS! Diesals do NOT burn clean. Tons of soot are left behind every day, not to mention the nasty nitrogen oxides. The NO prob also comes from jet airplanes. The engineers are busting hump to clean turbines up. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 10:43:41 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Stinky cage sniffers coming ! Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:48:28 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" > > > Paul wrote: I think the argument > > could be made that nabbing the actual polluters rather than > > having everyone submit to testing is actually less intrusive to the > average citizen. > > Or is it: > (a) a pretty nifty excuse to get more cameras up so The Government (aka Big > Bro) can monitor your comings and goings > (b) the announcement of a new government revenue stream disguised as "good > for the environment" > (c) a misdirection to conceal the true goal: contain poor people to their > own neighborhoods (no $500 chevy is gonna be on the roads after this) > (d) a brilliant Libertarian multimedia troll to show the true motives of > Dems (and many Repubs) > (e) another source of wealth for the environmental-government complex (the > bastard child of the military-industrial complex that lived in many 70s and > 80s movies) > > > Any other ideas? > ! Or (f) the real issue here is that the region is habitually out of compliance with the Clean Air Act and if it can't comply or get the law changed, the hammer will come down on federal road funding. The jurisdictions are out of options since vehicle miles keep rising and they're getting a little desperate, hence the sniffers. So even as the vehicle fleet as an aggregate gets cleaner, the region's air quality isn't really improving. One might say the announcement of draconian measures is to stimulate a huge outcry in order to get the law changed. If your beef is with the Clean Air Act and its mandates--a perfectly legitimate viewpoint--then why not come out and say it? > > --jon > 01B12 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 10:43:47 2002 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help me, please... Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:43:41 -0500 My .02 worth: My wife and I have used Geico for years and accidentally forgot to tell them about her speeding ticket on I-95 (yes, it does happen occasionally) and they never noticed, so they must use random checks only. One nice thing I found out last night is that if you ride year round like I do and label your car as a pleasure vehicle (my wife gasped at this one, but this is a family list so I can't go into any details) the rates drop dramatically. Also, Geico has sponsorship agreements with many organizations that drop rates as well, including my employer. They did drop our rates dramatically after we got married, so much so that I feel that a polygamist might actually earn money, but my wife was not enthusiastic about that approach. Alas, I am one zip code too close to DC to get comprehensive coverage for my CBR under Geico's motorcycle division of Cycle Guard and they are unable to offer multiple vehicle discounts between Cycle Guard and Geico, so my bike is covered by State Farm which treated me quite well when the F3 was stolen, especially after the legal suppository I received from Progressive (yech!) Cedric I AM SURE that some insurance companies do this differently.. Perhaps they check every year? AFAIK, State Farm does NOT do this. I wouldn't put it past Geico or progressive to do this though... Others on the list may know. Brian 99 VFR, 81 CB750F, clean record, no points (yikes I'm screwed now) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 10:53:10 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 09:48:50 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Coolant Flush Procedure for VFR800 Brian, I did this twice on my VFR last year once to try Evans coolant (don't bother). In the end I used EngineIce and that worked better than std coolant mix. In addition to the coolant drain plug, there is a another drain type screw that need to be opened and drained on the right front cylinder (not sure why) The key thing for me at least was burping the new coolant to get all the bubbles out of the system. The manual states to snap the throttle a few times with the cap off to burp it. I found that tapping on the radiators and hoses was also necessary to get all the air out. Take your time. Regards, George 01 FZ1 >>> "ROBERSON, Brian" 01/31/02 04:15PM >>> I know, I know.. I should have the manual for this!! I have flushed radiators with cars so I know the gist of the procedure. I was not sure if the dual radiators called for some special procedures. Anyone having any input/advice, please let me know... Thanks! Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 11:01:18 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: RE: Stinky cage sniffers coming ! Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:00:06 -0500 Paul wrote: > Or (f) the real issue here is that the region is habitually out of > compliance with the Clean Air Act and if it can't comply or get the law > changed, the hammer will come down on federal road funding. The > jurisdictions are out of options since vehicle miles keep rising > and they're > getting a little desperate, hence the sniffers. So even as the vehicle > fleet as an aggregate gets cleaner, the region's air quality isn't really > improving. One might say the announcement of draconian measures is to > stimulate a huge outcry in order to get the law changed. > > If your beef is with the Clean Air Act and its mandates--a perfectly > legitimate viewpoint--then why not come out and say it? Nah, I was looking at my front fender vice up the trail or road. My beef was with the means, not the end. But now that you mention it.... --jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 11:04:25 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Road Rage Documentation Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:56:01 -0500 There's a piece in the latest Motorcycle Consumer News on a related topic. It was written by a crash reconstruction expert. The author recommends carrying chalk (to mark the tire position) and a camera at all times to document thoroughly the crash scene. A little extreme in my opinion but something to think about. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" > I carry disposable cameras in all my vehicles in case I need to document something, like a wreck. I figure the more evidence I have the better off I am. > > I wonder if this would help document a Road Rage incident for prosecution? It could show the other vehicle (and tag) and the driver - assuming you can get close enough afterwards to get a picture. In Garcia's case it might not be wise to get close to the assailant! > > While helmet video cams are intriguing, a cheap disposable camera would be more practical for most of us. > > Thoughts? > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 11:10:25 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 11:08:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: AMI vs. MMI To: Thomas Jordan Cc: DC Cycles Thomas Jordan wrote: > > I'm considering attending AMI or possibly MMI. Does anyone here have > any experiences with either of these schools? > -- Bob Higdon wrote up in sometimes painful detail his experiences at AMI (I think) down in Daytona. It used to be linked on the Ironbutt website....hang on... Scroll down to the bottom of the page linked here: http://www.ironbutt.com/higdon/higindx.html I think it would be a worthwhile (if long) read if you are interested in attending one of these schools. Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 11:52:12 2002 From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Coolant Flush Procedure for VFR800 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:52:03 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB40.C5F68A50 Thanks guys, I figured while I had the plastics off doing the oil change I might as well do a coolant flush. Rob, I may take you up on that offer! Brian -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:49 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; broberso@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coolant Flush Procedure for VFR800 Brian, I did this twice on my VFR last year once to try Evans coolant (don't bother). In the end I used EngineIce and that worked better than std coolant mix. In addition to the coolant drain plug, there is a another drain type screw that need to be opened and drained on the right front cylinder (not sure why) The key thing for me at least was burping the new coolant to get all the bubbles out of the system. The manual states to snap the throttle a few times with the cap off to burp it. I found that tapping on the radiators and hoses was also necessary to get all the air out. Take your time. Regards, George 01 FZ1 >>> "ROBERSON, Brian" 01/31/02 04:15PM >>> I know, I know.. I should have the manual for this!! I have flushed radiators with cars so I know the gist of the procedure. I was not sure if the dual radiators called for some special procedures. Anyone having any input/advice, please let me know... Thanks! Brian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB40.C5F68A50 RE: Coolant Flush Procedure for VFR800

Thanks guys, I figured while I had the plastics off = doing the oil change I might as well do a coolant flush.  Rob, I = may take you up on that offer!

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX= om]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:49 AM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; broberso@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Coolant Flush Procedure for = VFR800


Brian,

I did this twice on my VFR last year once to try = Evans coolant (don't bother). In the end I used EngineIce and that = worked better than std coolant mix.

In addition to the coolant drain plug, there is a = another drain type screw that need to be opened and drained on the = right front cylinder (not sure why)

The key thing for me at least was burping the new = coolant to get all the bubbles out of the system. The manual states to = snap the throttle a few times with the cap off to burp it. I found that = tapping on the radiators and hoses was also necessary to get all the = air out. Take your time.

Regards,

George
01 FZ1


>>> "ROBERSON, Brian" = <broberso@XXXXXX> 01/31/02 04:15PM >>>
I know, I know.. I should have the manual for this!! = I have flushed radiators with cars so I know the gist  of the = procedure.  I was not sure if the dual radiators called for some = special procedures.  Anyone having any input/advice, please let me = know... Thanks!

 
Brian
 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AB40.C5F68A50-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 12:56:51 2002 From: "Doug Allis" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, garicao@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road rage incident Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:56:36 It was actually fun. I wasted only about 3 hours on the whole incident. The look on her face when she was told she had to pay $50 in court costs in addition to the fine was priceless. Revenge is sweet. The fine was more like $100. >From: Tom Gimer >To: Doug Allis , garicao@XXXXXX, >dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Road rage incident >Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:11:38 -0800 (PST) > >improper driving??? if i remember correctly, that's a ~$70 >fine and it carries ~3 points on a va. license. that ranks >right up there with a 1-9 mph-over speeding ticket!! > >i remember the heated discussion on this list when the >incident first occurred. how much time did you invest, in >total? was it worth all of your trouble? more to the >point, do you believe it will it affect the driving habits >of the woman who was convicted? > > > > >--- Doug Allis wrote: > > I took a similar nut to Fairfax County traffic court. I > > was without a > > witness but the got driver convicted of improper driving > > and fined. I'd say > > you got a pretty good chance of exacting legal revenge, > > especially with a > > witness willing to testify in your favor. I'd say your > > first move is to > > insist that the Park Police file a charge against the > > owner. Tell the Park > > Police that you have a witness, give the person's name > > and phone number and > > insist that the police do their job, or insist that they > > tell you exactly > > how to formally file the complaint yourself (A.K.A. > > making a "citizen's > > arrest in some states). Be prepared to ID the driver in a > > line up. If you > > can't ID the driver and neither can your witness, then > > drop the matter now. > > In my case I was fairly sure that I could ID the driver. > > I picked her out > > the moment she walked into the courtroom (late). It was > > easy and she was > > stupid. > > > > Standard Disclamer: your results may not be the same. I > > have no idea how DC > > courts would handle this. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! >http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 13:52:32 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:52:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MCN copyright RE: [VRTP-Test] survey: how much for 5 years of Motorcycle Consum er News? To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- matthew patton wrote: > The reason I"m asking about possible pricing is simple. I > need to know > the marketability of and demand for the product and have > some data > points to argue with MCN if they decry the "sky would > fall" in their > revenue stream. I would like nothing more than for them > to buy the > product off of me or agree to a revenue-sharing setup. > I'm not out to > screw MCN out of revenue nor for that matter > MCReports.com which makes > it's money doing reprints. I also need to know that if > MCN would give > me license and they want a cut, how much I can expect to > make, and how > much they can expect to make. > > But MCN in particular needs a major kick in the > hindquarters to get > them to pay the 'net and the digital age some attention. > Just because > they didn't grow up on Pc's doesn't mean none of their > readership > couldn't spend $300 for a scanner, CD writers and some > labels and do > what I'm doing. For crying out loud they should have had > a product like > this YEARS ago. > > Now, can i have some answers to original question please? if i weren't violating the law, i'd pay $10-20 for something like you're talking about. mcn does provide an end-of-year article index, so i would basically be paying for (i) portability, (ii) the issues that i lost along the way, and (iii) the ability to link to another article within the file. while you may think otherwise, i'd be very surprised if mcn isn't in the process of dealing with the technology component. that will obviously only become apparent when it updates its presence on the net. good luck! (you'll definitely need it to succeed with this project) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 13:55:26 2002 From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: Subject: New U.S. Motorcycle manufacturer Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:58:06 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1AB28.793F07E0 At a press conference late Monday, the CEO of Johnson Marine, makers > of Johnson outboard marine engines and other recreational equipment,=20 > unveiled a > new line of heavyweight cruiser style motorcycles designed to compete > head to head with industry leader Harley-Davidson. Peter Long, Johnson > brands marketing manager said, "We have studied the market and > determined that Harley, while highly successful, has narrowly missed=20 > the mark when targeting > motorcycle buyers". Long added, "We, at Johnson, are convinced our > product hits the target dead center and promises to draw sales away=20 > from Harley-Davidson in a way no other motorcycle has been able to=20 > accomplish". > > The new line of bikes, marketed under the name 'Big Johnson > Motorcycles', will, according to Long, deliver what Harley has only=20 > promised. "Our research show that this, a Big Johnson, is what Harley=20 > buyers are really after". > > At the unveiling of the new line Monday, several current Harley owners > agreed. "When I bought my Harley, what I really needed was a Big > Johnson", said one Harley owner." But I see now that riding a Harley=20 > is no replacement > for having a Big Johnson." > > Manager Long also said that his company would follow the lead of > Harley-Davidson and cash in on a huge market for non-motorcycle=20 > related products. "We realize that not every guy can have a Big=20 > Johnson", said Long, > "But image is very important to people. If they don't have a Big > Johnson, they at least want to project the image of having one." > > Asked if he anticipated Big Johnsons showing up in the hands of Harley > owners, Long said it was unlikely. "I just don't see the need to have > a Harley if you have a Big Johnson", he said. "And I can't imagine=20 > someone who > spends all their resources to acquire a Harley having a Big Johnson. I think > it boils down to this - You either have a Harley, or you have a Big Johnson, > but you are not likely to have both. "Given the choice", said Long. " > I think most guys will opt for the Big Johnson". > > Another force driving sales for the company will come from women. A > survey of the wives and girlfriends of nearly 1,000 potential=20 > motorcycle buyers indicates less than 5% would approve of their=20 > partner spending $15,000 on a > Harley Davidson. But, when asked if they would be willing to pay the > same amount of money to get their partner a Big Johnson, nearly 4 out=20 > 5 thought that would be money well spent. > > One female present at the product unveiling was quoted as saying, > "There is > no way I will let Lonnie drop 15 grand on another one of those > Harleys, but > 15 grand to get him a Big Johnson? Well, that something we could both enjoy > and it's something he really needs." > > Carla Roundheel, manager of the dealership network now being > established, said her motto is simple. "I service what we sell." Big=20 > Johnson motorcycles > will be traded on the stock exchange under the abbreviation P-ENVY. > > ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1AB28.793F07E0
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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1AB28.793F07E0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 14:32:51 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:32:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Help me, please... To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX my opinion: either your lawyer was a bum, you got a hanging judge, or you came off as a real prick. re: your advice: going without a attorney is a risk, but of course it won't always hurt you. however, you're the first person i've ever heard hint that going WITH an attorney WILL hurt you. --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > Go to court. Don't pay for a lawyer. Ask for traffic > school. It might > land on a perfectly beautiful Saturday in April like mine > did last year, but > at least that offense never showed up on my record. > > "A Speeders Guide to Avoiding Tickets" is an easy read > and talks a lot about > what to do and say in court. I highly recommend the $6 > for that over a > lawyer fee. My parents made my spend $400 on one when I > was 16, it was the > only time I've been to traffic court and the offense > wasn't at least > lessened, yes I am still bitter. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 16:02:29 2002 From: "thomas jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 05:02:16 +0800 Subject: Re: MCN copyright RE: [VRTP-Test] survey: how much for 5 years of Motorcycle Consum er News? If I'm not mistaken, as long as you have hard-copies of the magazines, you can posess the info on the CD. And you'd actually be paying M.Patton for his time taken to compile the information, the CD, etc. So no copyright violations would apply. -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 16:28:21 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:29:05 -0500 To: "thomas jordan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: MCN copyright RE: [VRTP-Test] survey: how much for 5 years of Motorcycle Consum er News? At 04:02 PM 2/1/2002, thomas jordan wrote: >If I'm not mistaken, as long as you have hard-copies of the magazines, you >can posess the info on the CD. And you'd actually be paying M.Patton for >his time taken to compile the information, the CD, etc. So no copyright >violations would apply. Sorry, but you *are* mistaken. You can make copies of your own items for your own use or for "fair use" only. Whether or not a recipient or buyer also owns a copy of any or all the items you reproduce is immaterial. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 1 19:43:06 2002 From: MikeWHD@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:42:43 EST Subject: Re: [VRTP-Test] survey: how much for 5 years of Motorcycle Consumer News? To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_76.16b2da26.298c9003_boundary This should NOT be on the VRTP site! --part1_76.16b2da26.298c9003_boundary This should NOT be on the VRTP site! --part1_76.16b2da26.298c9003_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 2 01:20:02 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:20:00 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Re: your idea of scanning the MSF and selling on CD-ROM. Two words: copyright infringement. I wouldn't do it without an explicit release from MCN _AND_ the authors of the articles. (not legal advice, yada yada) -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 2 07:30:53 2002 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:30:52 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Help me, please... To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > He bounced a microwave signal off of you, a computer > measured the Doppler > shift converted it to the speed the two vehicles > were closing on each other, > read the speedometer of the cop car, simple > subtraction, voala! you are > busted. > > If it was any harder then that do you think they > could do it? > Close but no cigar. To compute the speed while moving, the radar unit bounces a second signal of the ground and computes it's own speed. It is not hooked up to the speedo. Thus you can use a handheld radar unit while moving. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 2 10:29:01 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:28:05 EST Subject: Re: Help me, please... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/2/2002 7:31:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > the radar unit bounces a second signal of the ground > and computes it's own speed. Sorry no can do as described. The signal MUST bounce from a relatively flat surface at right angles to the sending unit to get a _true_ speed of any kind. Microwaves follow the same physical laws as anything else, Think of a billiard ball, If it bounces from the sides at 90deg. it will come right back, but if it hits the sides at an angle it will bounce away. The road surface "seen" from a unit attached to or held outside of a car is at a very steep angle indeed. Also note there is an error factor in any angled reflection from a radar unit: An extreme example would be that if the reflection is from an object moving at 90deg. from the sending unit, (point the gun directly down at the road) there would be no Doppler shift at all, it would read _0mph._ Thats right 0mph! To get a absolutely true reading a radar (or laser) gun *must* be directly in your line of travel (No it will not work in court if the cop is to the side, the further out of line the unit is the *lower* the recorded speed will be, so if the gun says 65mph. it means you were going _at least_ 65 and the courts know that.) Also the gun has no way of knowing that it is bouncing a signal from an object that is not moving (the road) or one that is moving (another vehicle) so its reading of its own speed would be questionable. There may well be free standing radar units out there (I have never seen one they always seem to have a cable to the car) but I expect if you check it out you will find some kind of link to some sort of sending unit hooked to the car (I know that at least some of the early units used a magnetic pick up unit (much like the timing unit of your bike) attached to the drive shaft of the car (I worked in an auto shop back when radar was new.) OR the easy and cheapest way (and I shudder to think of many cops out there doing the math.) the cop could simply look at the his/her cars speedometer and do the simple subtraction (or addition) necessary to compute your speed. What the gun read (the total closing speed of your two vehicles) and subtract the cop cars speedometer reading = your speed. It is just too easy. Subject to correction. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 2 13:09:03 2002 From: "dannie davis" To: mtwithrow@XXXXXX, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help me, please... Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:08:23 oh man it just sounds like your busted :( crystal city dan davis >From: Todd Withrow >To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Help me, please... >Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:30:52 -0800 (PST) > > >--- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > He bounced a microwave signal off of you, a computer > > measured the Doppler > > shift converted it to the speed the two vehicles > > were closing on each other, > > read the speedometer of the cop car, simple > > subtraction, voala! you are > > busted. > > > > If it was any harder then that do you think they > > could do it? > > > >Close but no cigar. To compute the speed while moving, >the radar unit bounces a second signal of the ground >and computes it's own speed. It is not hooked up to >the speedo. Thus you can use a handheld radar unit >while moving. > > >===== >AIM: Inf DS > >http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to >childproof the world. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! >http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 2 13:20:07 2002 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: 2005 moto Xmas gift of the year! Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:53:51 -0500 This just came into view. The highend home market certainly next. Walking tools problems now solved (according to maker)! (Darn. No more blaming kids and neighbors for left-behinds). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Yes, yes. Put it in a sidecar. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ******begin San Diego is the first airport in the nation to utilize Vistant products for security purposes. A wholly-owned division of Cardinal Health, Inc (NYSE: CAH), Vistant's mission is to introduce automated dispensing technology that was originally developed for healthcare into new growth markets such as manufacturing and aviation security The Vistant system features a series of computerized cabinets Maintenance workers identify themselves at the cabinet with a biometric fingerprint scan. Once properly identified, the worker requests a specific tool on the system's touchscreen. The cabinet then opens a single drawer, enabling the worker to remove a screwdriver, wrench, carpet cutter or any other potentially dangerous instrument. The computer records each transaction and can send an electronic notification to a supervisor if the worker leaves their shift without returning the tool or part to the Vistant system "The safety and security of the traveling public is our topmost priority," said Thella Bowens, Senior Director, Aviation, for the Port of San Diego. "We are moving quickly to implement new technologies that will further safeguard our airport against individuals and processes that could compromise security in any way. We are impressed with the ability of the Vistant system to track and control access to tools and supplies that are necessary to the daily operations of our facilities, but which also need to be closely monitored for security purposes. This technology was developed here in San Diego and we envision broad application for it throughout the commercial aviation industry." ******end From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 2 21:10:45 2002 From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insurance in DC Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 01:59:11 +0000 Hello, I am seeking quotes on motorcycle insurance in DC. My current insurance company (Merkel) asked $1,450 to insure a VFR (which is what i would like to buy). However, i heard about people paying $350 for the same bike (although they are residents of the metro area in VA). Is there anyone who knows where i could go to get a cheaper rate? When i inquired with the major companies (state farm, progress, ..., other companies, i am not from the US, i don't remember all the names, but I inquired with all the major ones) they all told me that they don't insure motorcycles in DC. Hope someone can be of help to get me driving a wonderful VFR. Pierfrancesco Consalvo _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 2 21:43:29 2002 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 21:44:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/02/02 At 07:00 PM 2/2/2002, The dc-cycles list administrator wrote: >Walking tools problems now solved (according to maker)! (Darn. No more >blaming >kids and neighbors for left-behinds). Does this mean the end of the Dagwood comic strip? Please? Regards, Larry -- '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '02 Honda 919 (backup and commuter bike) '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '95 Miata R, modified '02 BMW 325i '72 Elden FF From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 2 21:44:32 2002 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 21:47:26 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Pierre C , Dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance in DC What vintage VFR are you looking at? I have a 95 and the old Interceptor and I'm paying a little less than half that for both bikes, through Markel. Other data points, 36 years old, safe rider discount (MSF training and MSF instructor), no tickets, (bike or cage), no claims or accident involvement in the past five years. I do have a high collision deductible on the VFR and no comp./collision on the rat bike. Insurance can be hard to get in DC, I'll grant you that. Some companies like GEICO Cycle Guard won't wite comprehensive policies in DC. Paul in DC 95 VFR / 86 VF500F Pierre C wrote: > Hello, > I am seeking quotes on motorcycle insurance in DC. My current insurance > company (Merkel) asked $1,450 to insure a VFR (which is what i would like to > buy). However, i heard about people paying $350 for the same bike (although > they are residents of the metro area in VA). Is there anyone who knows > where i could go to get a cheaper rate? When i inquired with the major > companies (state farm, progress, ..., other companies, i am not from the US, > i don't remember all the names, but I inquired with all the major ones) they > all told me that they don't insure motorcycles in DC. > > Hope someone can be of help to get me driving a wonderful VFR. > > Pierfrancesco Consalvo > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 2 22:35:08 2002 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 22:35:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: V65 Sabre? Forgot to ask before -- while at PowerRide in Falls Church last Saturday, I saw a guy on an V65 Sabre leaving the lot -- one sweet looking, like-new bike. A lister by any chance? Regards, -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '02 Honda 919 / Hornet 900 (backup and commuter bike) 84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 2 23:18:38 2002 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 23:18:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Harley dresser with training wheels? At 10:35 PM 2/2/2002, Larry Larson wrote: >Forgot to ask before -- while at PowerRide in Falls Church last Saturday, >I saw a guy on an V65 Sabre leaving the lot -- one sweet looking, like-new >bike. A lister by any chance? Since we're playing "spot the motorcycle"... I was on Route 4 South (caged) headed outbound from the Beltway, and I found myself opposite a single rider on a black Harley FLH Ultra Chassic. The bike had what appeared to be permanent outrigger wheels (about trailer-sized), with matching black fenders. The wheels seemed to make a (4-wheeled) "trike" out of the Harley, and I think I saw suspension components (leaf springs). Anyway, the bike turn off toward Chesapeake Beach (260?). Does anyone know anything about this beast? Just curious. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 3 02:05:31 2002 From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: F650ST for sale--Loaded--Cheap Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 07:05:23 +0000 F650ST Orange, 1997, perfect conditions, selling to buy a bigger bike and go out for a trip, BMW serviced, BMW hard bags, BMW tank bag, GIVI topcase (holds two helmets) hot grips, light buddies, front fairing, 14K miles, chain/sprokets 1,5k miles, brakes 1.5 k miles, front tire 2K miles, battery less than a year old and treated with battery tender. Price: 3,950 Location: Washington, DC Contact Pierfrancesco Consalvo at Telephone 202 285 5725 (cell) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 3 07:28:33 2002 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 04:28:32 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Help me, please... To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > correction, but I do understand the > physics of speed radar and do not expect any.> > I have no doubt that you understand the physics of it. But I don't think you understand the practical application of it. > In a message dated 2/2/2002 7:31:03 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > > > the radar unit bounces a second signal of the > ground > > and computes it's own speed. > > Sorry no can do as described. The signal MUST bounce > from a relatively flat > surface at right angles to the sending unit to get a > _true_ speed of any > kind. Microwaves follow the same physical laws as > anything else, Can you see the road? If light can bounce off the road and back to your optic nerves, then a microwave can also. The road surface is textured, so some of the surface is actually at or near a right angle to you. That is why the road is harder to see in the rain at night. The texture is filled in with rain water and less light from your headlights bounces back to you. > Subject to correction. > > > > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 3 09:26:17 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 09:25:54 EST Subject: Re: Help me, please... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/3/2002 7:29:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > Can you see the road? If light can bounce off the road > and back to your optic nerves, then a microwave can > also. _Back_ to my optic nerve? The light your refer to did not originate in my eyes but from an unfocussed source, the sun/sky, not from a (relatively) focused source, a radar gun (or in the case of laser an extremely focused source.) . And yes of course _some_ microwaves will bounce back, but only some, and that scattered. Also, even if enough of the original signal bounces back to read, the angle error will throw the speed reading off. And not just off but off depending on the angle of the sending unit in relation to the road which will change constantly with a hand held unit. In other words the speed reading would be completely unreliable and one would hope inadmissible in court. (Yea right.) The simple solution is a mechanical speed reading from a sending unit on the cop car, OR simple subtraction or addition as I stated in my post. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 3 12:12:12 2002 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 09:12:10 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Help me, please... To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 2/3/2002 7:29:03 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > > > Can you see the road? If light can bounce off the > road > > and back to your optic nerves, then a microwave > can > > also. > > _Back_ to my optic nerve? The light your refer to > did not originate in my > eyes At 7:30am I am still tired. I did not mean that the light originated from your eyes. Excuse my grammer. > Also, even if enough of the original > signal bounces back to > read, the angle error will throw the speed reading > off. The angle from the sending unit to the road is negligible. It is less than the angle from the sending unit to the target vehicle in most cases. The sending unit is mounted either on the B pillar, 5' off the roadway, or on the dash, 4' off the roadway. If the signal is bouncing back from 100' down the road, that is not much of an angle. Another thing to keep in mind, is that the microwaves are bouncing off everything, the mailboxes, road signs, trees, etc. Not just the road surface. > The simple solution is a mechanical speed reading > from a sending unit on the > cop car, OR simple subtraction or addition as I > stated in my post. > It is simple math, computed by the radar unit. One method of checking the calibration on a radar unit. Is to drive with the unit on, and compare the reading against the speedometer. As long as the speedo has been calibrated and certified, this verifies the radar in moving mode. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 3 12:31:20 2002 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 12:31:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Help me, please... So, neither of you, in fact, know what was installed in the patrol car that stopped this guy, nor can you help him in any way. Not only that, 13 messages ago (by my count), he very considerately asked for replies off-list in the first place, since he's not even in town. So enough already! /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 3 12:44:59 2002 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 12:43:14 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Rob Winters CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley dresser with training wheels? Rob Winters wrote: > Since we're playing "spot the motorcycle"... > > I was on Route 4 South (caged) headed outbound from the Beltway, and I > found myself opposite a single rider on a black Harley FLH Ultra Chassic. > The bike had what appeared to be permanent outrigger wheels (about > trailer-sized), with matching black fenders. The wheels seemed to make a > (4-wheeled) "trike" out of the Harley, and I think I saw suspension > components (leaf springs). > > Anyway, the bike turn off toward Chesapeake Beach (260?). Does anyone know > anything about this beast? Just curious. > Seen adverts for add-on wheels that deploy (touch down) when you roll to a stop. Also an advert for an axle/wheel combo that hasa suspension and uses the original M/C rear wheel for propulsion. Both are Butt-F-----g-Ugly! When and if I get that old and feeble I'm going with a sidecar. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 3 13:28:47 2002 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:28:45 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Help me, please... To: Rob Winters , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Rob Winters wrote: > So, neither of you, in fact, know what was installed > in the patrol car that > stopped this guy, nor can you help him in any way. > Not only that, 13 > messages ago (by my count), he very considerately > asked for replies > off-list in the first place, since he's not even in > town. So enough already! > > /// Rob > So what you are saying, is that you have no interest in physics or how a radar unit works. Fine, stop reading. Some people have an interest in such things. Particulary in how it may affect them. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 3 13:59:08 2002 From: "rdrdr" To: Subject: RE: Radar units (was: Help me, please...) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:58:41 -0500 The Withrow is on the money - enough signal bounces back and in fact, car mounted police units ARE built so that they read the police car's speed AND the oncoming vehicle's speed. I don't know if all of them or just some, but I know that is a popular method and is widely used in this area. Go to http://www.copradar.com/index.html for more information. Niv BMW F650ST PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 3 16:40:14 2002 From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help on paper work in DC Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 21:40:08 +0000 Hello, i am a resident of DC, and a VA resident would like to buy my bike. How shoudl I handle this? shall i just give him the title (and get a deposit) so he can get temp tags then give him the bike when his paperwork is done (and get the final check)? Regards, Pierfrancesco consalvo _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 3 16:59:22 2002 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 17:00:14 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena To: Pierre C CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC Pier, Get full payment for your m/c. When he gives you the cash, you give him the keys and title. It's his problem to get it tagged in VA, not your's. Chuck Pierre C wrote: > Hello, > i am a resident of DC, and a VA resident would like to buy my bike. How > shoudl I handle this? shall i just give him the title (and get a > deposit) so he can get temp tags then give him the bike when his > paperwork is done (and get the final check)? > Regards, > Pierfrancesco consalvo > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 06:41:49 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:41:40 EST Subject: Re: Help me, please... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/3/2002 12:12:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > The angle from the sending unit to the road is > negligible. > If the signal is bouncing back from 100' down the road, that > is not much of an angle. Sorry, but no it is not, it will throw the reading off just as it does with a car, only now the cop car will read slower then it is really traveling and THAT will result in an apparent _increase_ in the speed of the target car. We require (as you suggest later in your post) that speedometers in cop cars be calibrated and certified to remove any mechanical errors, how can we accept deliberately inputting an error that can so easily be avoided. > If the signal is bouncing back from 100' down the road, snip > the microwaves > are bouncing off everything, the mailboxes, road > signs, trees, etc. Not just the road surface. > Indeed! And the gun has NO way of determining if the echo it is getting back is from a stationary object or one that is moving which would throw the reading off. What you have done is to point out another problem with the "second signal" > It is simple math, computed by the radar unit. Yes the _math_ is simple. It is the reliability of the "second signal" that I am calling into question. I simply see no way for the gun to calculate its own speed with any accuracy. > As long as the speedo has > been calibrated and certified If the speedometer has been calibrated and certified then the cop can do the math, easy and cheap. Scan in a page from the operators manual (preferably one that explains how it works) or link me to a manufacturers website, or even a reliable magazine article and I will eat a large crow pie right here. But I just do not see a solution short of a sending unit on the car, or cop math. Having fun: John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 06:46:24 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:45:54 EST Subject: Re: Harley dresser with training wheels? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/3/2002 12:45:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Seen adverts for add-on wheels that deploy (touch down) when you roll to a > stop. Had one of these in an ERC once, the guy could not complete the first exercise with the wheels up. If you think about it the bike goes from counter steering with the "training" wheels up to steering with them down. The guy was clearly doing himself no favors by using that set up. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 07:02:49 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:02:31 EST Subject: Re: Radar units (was: Help me, please...) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/3/2002 2:02:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, rydin@XXXXXX writes: > Go to http://www.copradar.com/index.html Thanks for the goto. I checked it (quickly I was short on time) and saw nothing about a "second signal" or any other explanation of how they read cop speed. Could you tell me where to look? thanks John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 09:04:55 2002 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:04:53 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Harley dresser with training wheels? To: "William J. Huson" , Rob Winters Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think those things are marketed not toward the "old and feeble" but to the handicapped. The only real hurdle for those folks to overcome aside from moving the shifter and rear brake is the fact that the bike will fall over when one comes to a stop. Chris --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Seen adverts for add-on wheels that deploy (touch > down) when you roll to a > stop. Also an advert for an axle/wheel combo that > hasa suspension and uses the > original M/C rear wheel for propulsion. Both are > Butt-F-----g-Ugly! When and > if I get that old and feeble I'm going with a > sidecar. > > Bill > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 09:06:49 2002 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: SPAM: '98 SH for sale Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:08:38 -0500 I have to sell my Superhawk, now that I have it all setup--grrrr!, due to financial needs. Here are the details: '98 with 5500 miles, never down, excellent condition Extras: Sargants World Seat with color matched pillion, Two Brothers carbon cans with high and low mounts- full system, excellent jetting done by previous owner who was the service manager of a local shop, Penske Sport shock- sprung for 220lbs (installed less than 300 miles ago), Traxxion reworked front end; emulators, .95 springs, new oil (installed less than 200 miles ago), New BT56SS tires (less than 400 miles), Heli-bars, Two Brothers Lower, stock seat included (I sold the original exhaust). This is a sweet SuperHawk that I hate to sell, but I must. Asking $6500. Also have a 2001 Honda Shadow Ace Tourer for sale. E-mail me if you are interested in either. Danny '02 XR 250R '00 SV (racebike) '98 Superhawk '01 Shadow ACE Tourer www.onewayracing.org ...................................... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 09:14:46 2002 From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:17:46 -0500 I'm selling my VFR to Pierfrancesco. I live in VA, he lives in DC. How do we work this so he can get plates to ride the bike away from Va? I'm a trusting soul and Pier seems like a good guy. My plan was to take a deposit from him at which point I would go ahead and give him the title so he can get his loan from his bank and go to DC DMV and get plates. Then he comes to my house with the check from his bank and legal plates ready to ride. How else could we do this so he can legally ride the bike away? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck and Karen Pena" > Pier, > > Get full payment for your m/c. When he gives you the cash, you give him > the keys and title. It's his problem to get it tagged in VA, not your's. > > Chuck > > Pierre C wrote: > > > Hello, > > i am a resident of DC, and a VA resident would like to buy my bike. How > > shoudl I handle this? shall i just give him the title (and get a > > deposit) so he can get temp tags then give him the bike when his > > paperwork is done (and get the final check)? > > Regards, > > Pierfrancesco consalvo From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 10:09:33 2002 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:09:31 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX He gets the VIN#, goes to his bank, gets the loan, bank makes check out to you, he goes to DMV and gets tags, he brings check to you, you give him title, keys, and bike. Good guy or not, DO NOT let him ride away without money in your hand and the title signed over to him. Worst case scenario, he's in an accident and injures someone. If the title is in YOUR name then YOU are liable also. Just don't do it!! --- Bruce Norton wrote: > I'm selling my VFR to Pierfrancesco. I live in VA, > he lives in DC. How do we > work this so he can get plates to ride the bike away > from Va? > > I'm a trusting soul and Pier seems like a good guy. > My plan was to take a > deposit from him at which point I would go ahead and > give him the title so > he can get his loan from his bank and go to DC DMV > and get plates. Then he > comes to my house with the check from his bank and > legal plates ready to > ride. > > How else could we do this so he can legally ride the > bike away? > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck and Karen Pena" > > > > > Pier, > > > > Get full payment for your m/c. When he gives you > the cash, you give him > > the keys and title. It's his problem to get it > tagged in VA, not your's. > > > > Chuck > > > > Pierre C wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > i am a resident of DC, and a VA resident would > like to buy my bike. How > > > shoudl I handle this? shall i just give him the > title (and get a > > > deposit) so he can get temp tags then give him > the bike when his > > > paperwork is done (and get the final check)? > > > Regards, > > > Pierfrancesco consalvo > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 11:09:42 2002 Subject: RE: Re: Help on paper work in DC From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:09:37 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "bnorton@XXXXXX" Bruce/Pier, I will echo Stephen's comments about letting go of your title without full possession of the moolah plus a bill of sale to prove that you sold it. No dis' on Pier, just not a smart thing to do ... period. Having the model, year, and VIN should be good enough for the bank ... assuming the bank is willing to make a loan on a used m/c for a private party sale. A lot of banks won't do this. Unless Pier is just using a line of credit or some other financial instrument (i.e., not a specific motorcycle loan). And this is probably another good reason not to let go of your title before cash/certified check is exchanged. Pier needs to know that his bank will give him the loan he wants/needs. If that part of the transaction goes as planned, then: 1. You give Pier the title, keys, and bill of sale. He goes to the DMV to get the bike registered in his name and temp tags. He comes back to affix tags and ride the bike home. 2. If you don't need your m/c tags (at least right away), you let Pier ride it home and you get your tags back after he gets the bike registered and tagged. 3. You guys find someone with a trailer/pick-up truck who can haul the bike. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: stephen cutchins stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:09:31 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC He gets the VIN#, goes to his bank, gets the loan, bank makes check out to you, he goes to DMV and gets tags, he brings check to you, you give him title, keys, and bike. Good guy or not, DO NOT let him ride away without money in your hand and the title signed over to him. Worst case scenario, he's in an accident and injures someone. If the title is in YOUR name then YOU are liable also. Just don't do it!! --- Bruce Norton wrote: > I'm selling my VFR to Pierfrancesco. I live in VA, > he lives in DC. How do we > work this so he can get plates to ride the bike away > from Va? > > I'm a trusting soul and Pier seems like a good guy. > My plan was to take a > deposit from him at which point I would go ahead and > give him the title so > he can get his loan from his bank and go to DC DMV > and get plates. Then he > comes to my house with the check from his bank and > legal plates ready to > ride. > > How else could we do this so he can legally ride the > bike away? > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck and Karen Pena" > > > > > Pier, > > > > Get full payment for your m/c. When he gives you > the cash, you give him > > the keys and title. It's his problem to get it > tagged in VA, not your's. > > > > Chuck > > > > Pierre C wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > i am a resident of DC, and a VA resident would > like to buy my bike. How > > > shoudl I handle this? shall i just give him the > title (and get a > > > deposit) so he can get temp tags then give him > the bike when his > > > paperwork is done (and get the final check)? > > > Regards, > > > Pierfrancesco consalvo > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 11:42:17 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:47:03 -0500 This won't work because DC won't issue temp tags w/o title (and proof of insurance.) Furthermore, DC won't issue a new title and tags until the bike is inspected and you need temp tags to ride the thing legally to the testing station. I'm not sure how the bank's interest in the vehicle (the lien) gets recorded in the interim with all this rigmarole, so I don't know how the seller is going to get paid. Perhaps through some sort of escrow arrangement. With DC cages you just walk in with the title and get the new title and lien recorded. I'm not sure why DC insists on inspecting bikes before the fact when cages get 30-day grace period until they must be inspected. I've never financed a bike before so I can't give a definitive answer. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen cutchins" > He gets the VIN#, goes to his bank, gets the loan, > bank makes check out to you, he goes to DMV and gets > tags, he brings check to you, you give him title, > keys, and bike. Good guy or not, DO NOT let him ride > away without money in your hand and the title signed > over to him. > > Worst case scenario, he's in an accident and injures > someone. If the title is in YOUR name then YOU are > liable also. Just don't do it!! > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 11:52:16 2002 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:52:15 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX But the buyer lives in VA, right? Then why are you worrying about DC temp tags? If nothing else, he can get a friend with a pickup to get the bike for him. I have sold multiple bikes, each time either the buyer comes with a truck or with his own tags, pays in full, I sign the title, and off he goes. Don't let him leave with that bike unless it is totally signed over to him, because I will say I told ya so when someone sues the pants off of you because he injures someone while riding a bike that can still be legally determined to be "yours." I don't remember the particulars, but it has happened before, if I remember correctly the person lost a great deal of cash and a bike to boot. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > This won't work because DC won't issue temp tags w/o > title (and proof of > insurance.) Furthermore, DC won't issue a new title > and tags until the bike > is inspected and you need temp tags to ride the > thing legally to the testing > station. I'm not sure how the bank's interest in > the vehicle (the lien) > gets recorded in the interim with all this > rigmarole, so I don't know how > the seller is going to get paid. Perhaps through > some sort of escrow > arrangement. > > With DC cages you just walk in with the title and > get the new title and lien > recorded. I'm not sure why DC insists on inspecting > bikes before the fact > when cages get 30-day grace period until they must > be inspected. I've never > financed a bike before so I can't give a definitive > answer. > > Paul in DC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen cutchins" > > > > He gets the VIN#, goes to his bank, gets the loan, > > bank makes check out to you, he goes to DMV and > gets > > tags, he brings check to you, you give him title, > > keys, and bike. Good guy or not, DO NOT let him > ride > > away without money in your hand and the title > signed > > over to him. > > > > Worst case scenario, he's in an accident and > injures > > someone. If the title is in YOUR name then YOU > are > > liable also. Just don't do it!! > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 11:57:36 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: m/c rentals in area or WV Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:56:21 -0500 Hey, all; I've got two left coast relatives coming out in mid-July. I'd like to rent a couple of bikes for a 2 or 3 day excursion; can anyone out on the list make any recommendations, or anti-dations for that matter, on m/c rental companies in the DC Metro area or out in WV? As far as bike types, she's inseam challenged; she currently rides some Honda Davidson (1100 Sabre?) with a low seat height. He rides an ST1100...and his hockey-deflicted knees will probably be happiest with a distinctly non-sport riding position. --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 12:10:15 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "stephen cutchins" , Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:14:37 -0500 Buyer lives in DC and will be titling the bike there. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen cutchins" > But the buyer lives in VA, right? Then why are you > worrying about DC temp tags? If nothing else, he can > get a friend with a pickup to get the bike for him. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 12:16:07 2002 From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:15:36 -0500 Subject: RE: m/c rentals in area or WV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm not sure of details at all, but I do know that Patriot Harley in Fairfax rents their bikes out. The availability might not be so great, so I would look into it ASAP, same with any other place. any recommendations, or anti-dations for that matter, on m/c rental companies in the DC Metro area or out in WV? From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 12:19:51 2002 Subject: RE: Re: Help on paper work in DC From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:20:35 -0500 To: "pawilson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" This is beginning to sound like something out of Catch-22. DC won't issue temp tags without a title (and proof of insurance). But DC won't issue a new title until the m/c is inspected and you need the temp tags to ride it to the testing station! Then throw into the works the possibility of a lien on the title from the bank. Yikes! Assuming the bank is willing to do a loan on a private party transaction, seems like the way to do this is to exchange money for bike, keys, and title and then load the thing on a trailer/truck to transport it. Then deal with the bureaucratic mess that is the DC DMV. BTW, this is basically what I did when I bought my FZR from out-of-state (CO). Had it shipped to my then office in VA. Lister Chris Weaver was kind enough to come over and bring it back to my condo garage on his trailer. I went to the DMV with the title to get a new title and temp tags. I then got the bike inspected for VA. But the difference was that I didn't have to get it inspected first to get the new title and temp tags. Chuck (in VA, who likes DC but just wouldn't live there, in part because of the mess described by Paul!) Original Message: ----------------- From: Paul Wilson pawilson@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:47:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC This won't work because DC won't issue temp tags w/o title (and proof of insurance.) Furthermore, DC won't issue a new title and tags until the bike is inspected and you need temp tags to ride the thing legally to the testing station. I'm not sure how the bank's interest in the vehicle (the lien) gets recorded in the interim with all this rigmarole, so I don't know how the seller is going to get paid. Perhaps through some sort of escrow arrangement. With DC cages you just walk in with the title and get the new title and lien recorded. I'm not sure why DC insists on inspecting bikes before the fact when cages get 30-day grace period until they must be inspected. I've never financed a bike before so I can't give a definitive answer. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 13:35:49 2002 From: laura granato To: "dc cycles" Subject: Wanna lend a hand? Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:35:47 -0500 I am currently looking for a job in the DC Area...If anyone knows of a company that needs an editor/writer, can I pass my resume along to you? Thanks in advance! :-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 14:10:47 2002 From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Help on paper work in DC Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:07:39 -0500 The drill in DC is (or at least was in May when I brought a bike from PA to DC): bring title, bill of sale, proof of insurance and DC Driver's license to the DMV; they will NOT actually transfer the title yet, and you won't pay the sales tax yet, but they will give you temp tags. There is a fee, I think it is $15. It includes the inspection fee. They are the exact same temp tags as you get on a car (same size and all). Then take the paperwork they give you and the bike, get the inspection, get your stickers and another form. Then back to the DMV with the stickers and the inspection form. Make sure you take the stickers because they want to see them. Then you get your hard tags. You'll need the seller's title and your bill of sale, insurance, etc. both visits to the DMV. So I'd suggest the buyer pays for the bike, takes the title (and keys if they want) and does all the running around. You take your tags off the bike at that time. Then the buyer comes back with the paper tag, puts it on the bike and goes for the inspection. For the buyer, make sure you take a bill of sale to DMV because they frequently cannot locate the Kelley Blue Book and they are not really nice about just taking your word for it. Also FYI the main DMV at 301 C Street NW is closed for about a month, starting this week. There is a satellite office in Georgetown Park Mall and another one at 6th and H NE. They all keep kind of strange hours so you should check their web site: http://dmv.dc.gov/main.shtm. Also there is some discrepancy between what the web page says each location offers, and what their flyer about being closed says, so you may want to call first to make sure you are going to the right place. Good luck! -patti Patti the Lantech '95 Virago 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 14:31:47 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Lantech \(DCOP\)" , "'Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:36:32 -0500 Upon more mature reflection, this is how the transaction will go down, if it goes down at all dependent on finding an agreeable bank. This is based on my experience financing a cage via a bank through a private sale. Go to you bank/credit union. They will assess the value of the vehicle to see if the sale price is in line with the bike's value. You come to terms on the downpayment, etc. You will then fill out the forms, culminating in signing a promissory note for the amount of the sale less your downpayment, with vehicle of VIN such and such as collateral. They will issue a check payable to both you and the seller. Both seller and buyer endorse the check. Money changes hands, you get keys, signed title and bike. Either leave it at the sellers, go get your temp tags and ride away, or better, have the seller ride or trailer the bike to your place and complete the transaction. Activate the insurance and then follow Patti's outline below for the rest of the DC rigmarole. DC DMV will record the lien when they finally issue a title. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lantech (DCOP)" > > > The drill in DC is (or at least was in May when I brought a bike from PA to > DC): bring title, bill of sale, proof of insurance and DC Driver's license > to the DMV; they will NOT actually transfer the title yet, and you won't pay > the sales tax yet, but they will give you temp tags. There is a fee, I think > it is $15. It includes the inspection fee. They are the exact same temp > tags as you get on a car (same size and all). Then take the paperwork they > give you and the bike, get the inspection, get your stickers and another > form. Then back to the DMV with the stickers and the inspection form. Make > sure you take the stickers because they want to see them. Then you get your > hard tags. You'll need the seller's title and your bill of sale, insurance, > etc. both visits to the DMV. > > So I'd suggest the buyer pays for the bike, takes the title (and keys if > they want) and does all the running around. You take your tags off the bike > at that time. Then the buyer comes back with the paper tag, puts it on the > bike and goes for the inspection. > > For the buyer, make sure you take a bill of sale to DMV because they > frequently cannot locate the Kelley Blue Book and they are not really nice > about just taking your word for it. > > Also FYI the main DMV at 301 C Street NW is closed for about a month, > starting this week. There is a satellite office in Georgetown Park Mall and > another one at 6th and H NE. They all keep kind of strange hours so you > should check their web site: http://dmv.dc.gov/main.shtm. Also there is > some discrepancy between what the web page says each location offers, and > what their flyer about being closed says, so you may want to call first to > make sure you are going to the right place. > > Good luck! > > -patti > > Patti the Lantech > '95 Virago 750 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 15:08:55 2002 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:07:08 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: stephen cutchins CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC I concur, get cash, remove your m/c tag, hand him title, and wave goodbye. It's HIS problem how to get the bike home. He can push it, ride illegal as all hell, or borrow a truck. Cargo vans rent for $19.95 a day. Even then you're not totally safe. My tale - Two brothers pick up a Ymaha enduro my kid sold them. A week goes by *knock knock* the Fairfax County Poo-leece. Do I own a 125 Yamaha? Nope, sold that sucker. Seems younger bro "found" an m/c tag, hung it on the bike, and was haul assing thru the streets with his bud on the back. Car turns *KEEERUNCHHH* Young bro is bashed up good and bud is in a coma. Bike was never regeistered, bro had no permit, DMV still had me as owner. Had someone sued I'd be able to beat it, witnesses galore to the sale and pickup, but my lawyer would driving a new Mercedes and I'd be driving a fifteen year old Dodge Dart. Bill stephen cutchins wrote: > But the buyer lives in VA, right? Then why are you > worrying about DC temp tags? If nothing else, he can > get a friend with a pickup to get the bike for him. I > have sold multiple bikes, each time either the buyer > comes with a truck or with his own tags, pays in full, > I sign the title, and off he goes. Don't let him > leave with that bike unless it is totally signed over > to him, because I will say I told ya so when someone > sues the pants off of you because he injures someone > while riding a bike that can still be legally > determined to be "yours." I don't remember the > particulars, but it has happened before, if I remember > correctly the person lost a great deal of cash and a > bike to boot. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 15:29:29 2002 Subject: RE: RE: Help on paper work in DC From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:29:28 -0500 To: "lantech.cwd@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" All I have to say is ... What a PIT(F)A! It will probably be easier for Pier to move to VA! Original Message: ----------------- From: Lantech (DCOP) lantech.cwd@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:07:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help on paper work in DC The drill in DC is (or at least was in May when I brought a bike from PA to DC): bring title, bill of sale, proof of insurance and DC Driver's license to the DMV; they will NOT actually transfer the title yet, and you won't pay the sales tax yet, but they will give you temp tags. There is a fee, I think it is $15. It includes the inspection fee. They are the exact same temp tags as you get on a car (same size and all). Then take the paperwork they give you and the bike, get the inspection, get your stickers and another form. Then back to the DMV with the stickers and the inspection form. Make sure you take the stickers because they want to see them. Then you get your hard tags. You'll need the seller's title and your bill of sale, insurance, etc. both visits to the DMV. So I'd suggest the buyer pays for the bike, takes the title (and keys if they want) and does all the running around. You take your tags off the bike at that time. Then the buyer comes back with the paper tag, puts it on the bike and goes for the inspection. For the buyer, make sure you take a bill of sale to DMV because they frequently cannot locate the Kelley Blue Book and they are not really nice about just taking your word for it. Also FYI the main DMV at 301 C Street NW is closed for about a month, starting this week. There is a satellite office in Georgetown Park Mall and another one at 6th and H NE. They all keep kind of strange hours so you should check their web site: http://dmv.dc.gov/main.shtm. Also there is some discrepancy between what the web page says each location offers, and what their flyer about being closed says, so you may want to call first to make sure you are going to the right place. Good luck! -patti Patti the Lantech '95 Virago 750 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 17:08:42 2002 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:02:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC To: stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX writes: > I >have sold multiple bikes, each time either the buyer >comes with a truck or with his own tags, pays in full, >I sign the title, and off he goes. I have, on occasion, ridden the bike to the new owner's home and gotten a (car) ride back from him/her. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 17:53:52 2002 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:53:50 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX If the buyer is from Virginia, isn't this a Virginia paperwork question? I would think the proper way to do it is that all the money changes hands at the same time as the title and bike. Buyer shows up with a trailer to take the bike home. Once the buyer has the title signed over to him, the bike is his. If I have any suspicion of a problem, cash is used for the transaction and the name on the title is checked against some identification by the seller. Buyer's ID is irrelevant if cash is used. Leon. --- Pierre C wrote: > Hello, > i am a resident of DC, and a VA resident would like > to buy my bike. How > shoudl I handle this? shall i just give him the > title (and get a deposit) so > he can get temp tags then give him the bike when his > paperwork is done (and > get the final check)? > Regards, > Pierfrancesco consalvo > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 20:11:51 2002 From: "Ken Shephard" To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: m/c rentals in area or WV Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:00:04 -0500 jon... Try Mountain Thunder in downtown Charles Town. Its right on the Main Drag, on 340 through town, on your left if you were heading towards Summit Point as you drove through town. They frequently have a number of bikes sitting out front in the summer. I've never stopped there, although I have meant to. Maybe this summer. >any recommendations, or anti-dations for that matter, on m/c rental >companies in the DC Metro area or out in WV? > >--jon >01 Suz Bandit 1200 > Ken S........ Ride Safe and Forever Free Inwood WV HDKnight@XXXXXX AIM HDKnight1 ICQ #32289311 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 20:15:38 2002 From: "Ken Shephard" To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: m/c rentals in area or WV Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:03:48 -0500 Sorry forgot to paste the URL for Mountain Thunder http://www.wvbiker.com/ Ken S........ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 20:23:28 2002 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:23:35 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Gary Jaehne Subject: Euro/UK '94 FZR 600R question Anyone know what the differences are between a US-spec FZR600 and a Euro/UK-spec '94 FZR600R. I know that essentially from '93 onwards, the US FZR600 remained unchanged. But I don't know how the Euro/UK model evolved. I'm trying to figure out if rearsets for a '94 onwards Euro/UK FZR600R would fit my US-spec '93 FZR600. A nice set (Raask) are up for auction on eBay and I'm interested in them (if they are, in fact, racing rearsets that move the pegs up and back). Thanx! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1700182171 Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 20:44:58 2002 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:44:43 -0500 Subject: Moto Rental From: Bob McKeithen To: on 2/4/02 7:00 PM, The dc-cycles list administrator at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:41:40 EST > Subject: Re: Help me, please... > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 2/3/2002 12:12:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, > mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > >> The angle from the sending unit to the road is >> negligible. > >> If the signal is bouncing back from 100' down the road, that >> is not much of an angle. > > Sorry, but no it is not, it will throw the reading off just as it does with a > car, only now the cop car will read slower then it is really traveling and > THAT will result in an apparent _increase_ in the speed of the target car. We > require (as you suggest later in your post) that speedometers in cop cars be > calibrated and certified to remove any mechanical errors, how can we accept > deliberately inputting an error that can so easily be avoided. > >> If the signal is bouncing back from 100' down the road, > snip >> the microwaves >> are bouncing off everything, the mailboxes, road >> signs, trees, etc. Not just the road surface. >> > > Indeed! And the gun has NO way of determining if the echo it is getting back > is from a stationary object or one that is moving which would throw the > reading off. What you have done is to point out another problem with the > "second signal" > >> It is simple math, computed by the radar unit. > > Yes the _math_ is simple. It is the reliability of the "second signal" that I > am calling into question. I simply see no way for the gun to calculate its > own speed with any accuracy. > >> As long as the speedo has >> been calibrated and certified > > If the speedometer has been calibrated and certified then the cop can do the > math, easy and cheap. > > Scan in a page from the operators manual (preferably one that explains how it > works) or link me to a manufacturers website, or even a reliable magazine > article and I will eat a large crow pie right here. But I just do not see a > solution short of a sending unit on the car, or cop math. > > Having fun: > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:45:54 EST > Subject: Re: Harley dresser with training wheels? > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 2/3/2002 12:45:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > >> Seen adverts for add-on wheels that deploy (touch down) when you roll to a >> stop. > > Had one of these in an ERC once, the guy could not complete the first > exercise with the wheels up. If you think about it the bike goes from counter > steering with the "training" wheels up to steering with them down. The guy > was clearly doing himself no favors by using that set up. > > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European > is now necessary {and I still like it.}) > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:02:31 EST > Subject: Re: Radar units (was: Help me, please...) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 2/3/2002 2:02:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, rydin@XXXXXX > writes: > >> Go to http://www.copradar.com/index.html > > Thanks for the goto. I checked it (quickly I was short on time) and saw > nothing about a "second signal" or any other explanation of how they read cop > speed. Could you tell me where to look? > > thanks > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:04:53 -0800 (PST) > From: Chris Weaver > Subject: Re: Harley dresser with training wheels? > To: "William J. Huson" , Rob Winters > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I think those things are marketed not toward the "old > and feeble" but to the handicapped. The only real > hurdle for those folks to overcome aside from moving > the shifter and rear brake is the fact that the bike > will fall over when one comes to a stop. > > Chris > > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > >> Seen adverts for add-on wheels that deploy (touch >> down) when you roll to a >> stop. Also an advert for an axle/wheel combo that >> hasa suspension and uses the >> original M/C rear wheel for propulsion. Both are >> Butt-F-----g-Ugly! When and >> if I get that old and feeble I'm going with a >> sidecar. >> >> Bill >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Really-To: > From: "Danny Thompson" > To: , "D.C. Cycles" > Subject: SPAM: '98 SH for sale > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:08:38 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > I have to sell my Superhawk, now that I have it all setup--grrrr!, due to > financial needs. Here are the details: > '98 with 5500 miles, never down, excellent condition > Extras: Sargants World Seat with color matched pillion, Two Brothers carbon > cans with high and low mounts- full system, excellent jetting done by > previous owner who was the service manager of a local shop, Penske Sport > shock- sprung for 220lbs (installed less than 300 miles ago), Traxxion > reworked front end; emulators, .95 springs, new oil (installed less than 200 > miles ago), New BT56SS tires (less than 400 miles), Heli-bars, Two Brothers > Lower, stock seat included (I sold the original exhaust). > This is a sweet SuperHawk that I hate to sell, but I must. Asking $6500. > > Also have a 2001 Honda Shadow Ace Tourer for sale. > > E-mail me if you are interested in either. > > Danny > '02 XR 250R > '00 SV (racebike) > '98 Superhawk > '01 Shadow ACE Tourer > www.onewayracing.org > ...................................... > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Bruce Norton" > To: "DC Cycles" > Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:17:46 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 > > I'm selling my VFR to Pierfrancesco. I live in VA, he lives in DC. How do we > work this so he can get plates to ride the bike away from Va? > > I'm a trusting soul and Pier seems like a good guy. My plan was to take a > deposit from him at which point I would go ahead and give him the title so > he can get his loan from his bank and go to DC DMV and get plates. Then he > comes to my house with the check from his bank and legal plates ready to > ride. > > How else could we do this so he can legally ride the bike away? > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck and Karen Pena" > > >> Pier, >> >> Get full payment for your m/c. When he gives you the cash, you give him >> the keys and title. It's his problem to get it tagged in VA, not your's. >> >> Chuck >> >> Pierre C wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> i am a resident of DC, and a VA resident would like to buy my bike. How >>> shoudl I handle this? shall i just give him the title (and get a >>> deposit) so he can get temp tags then give him the bike when his >>> paperwork is done (and get the final check)? >>> Regards, >>> Pierfrancesco consalvo > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:09:31 -0800 (PST) > From: stephen cutchins > Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > He gets the VIN#, goes to his bank, gets the loan, > bank makes check out to you, he goes to DMV and gets > tags, he brings check to you, you give him title, > keys, and bike. Good guy or not, DO NOT let him ride > away without money in your hand and the title signed > over to him. > > Worst case scenario, he's in an accident and injures > someone. If the title is in YOUR name then YOU are > liable also. Just don't do it!! > > --- Bruce Norton wrote: >> I'm selling my VFR to Pierfrancesco. I live in VA, >> he lives in DC. How do we >> work this so he can get plates to ride the bike away >> from Va? >> >> I'm a trusting soul and Pier seems like a good guy. >> My plan was to take a >> deposit from him at which point I would go ahead and >> give him the title so >> he can get his loan from his bank and go to DC DMV >> and get plates. Then he >> comes to my house with the check from his bank and >> legal plates ready to >> ride. >> >> How else could we do this so he can legally ride the >> bike away? >> >> Bruce >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck and Karen Pena" >> >> >> >>> Pier, >>> >>> Get full payment for your m/c. When he gives you >> the cash, you give him >>> the keys and title. It's his problem to get it >> tagged in VA, not your's. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> Pierre C wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> i am a resident of DC, and a VA resident would >> like to buy my bike. How >>>> shoudl I handle this? shall i just give him the >> title (and get a >>>> deposit) so he can get temp tags then give him >> the bike when his >>>> paperwork is done (and get the final check)? >>>> Regards, >>>> Pierfrancesco consalvo >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 > X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ > Subject: RE: Re: Help on paper work in DC > Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:09:37 -0500 > To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , > "bnorton@XXXXXX" > Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2002 16:09:40.0358 (UTC) > FILETIME=[59A21A60:01C1AD96] > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id > g14GA9O14168 > > Bruce/Pier, > > I will echo Stephen's comments about letting go of your title without full > possession of the moolah plus a bill of sale to prove that you sold it. No > dis' on Pier, just not a smart thing to do ... period. Having the model, > year, and VIN should be good enough for the bank ... assuming the bank is > willing to make a loan on a used m/c for a private party sale. A lot of banks > won't do this. Unless Pier is just using a line of credit or some other > financial instrument (i.e., not a specific motorcycle loan). And this is > probably another good reason not to let go of your title before cash/certified > check is exchanged. Pier needs to know that his bank will give him the loan > he wants/needs. If that part of the transaction goes as planned, then: > > 1. You give Pier the title, keys, and bill of sale. He goes to the DMV to > get the bike registered in his name and temp tags. He comes back to affix > tags and ride the bike home. > > 2. If you don't need your m/c tags (at least right away), you let Pier ride > it home and you get your tags back after he gets the bike registered and > tagged. > > 3. You guys find someone with a trailer/pick-up truck who can haul the bike. > > Chuck > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: stephen cutchins stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:09:31 -0800 (PST) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC > > > He gets the VIN#, goes to his bank, gets the loan, > bank makes check out to you, he goes to DMV and gets > tags, he brings check to you, you give him title, > keys, and bike. Good guy or not, DO NOT let him ride > away without money in your hand and the title signed > over to him. > > Worst case scenario, he's in an accident and injures > someone. If the title is in YOUR name then YOU are > liable also. Just don't do it!! > > --- Bruce Norton wrote: >> I'm selling my VFR to Pierfrancesco. I live in VA, >> he lives in DC. How do we >> work this so he can get plates to ride the bike away >> from Va? >> >> I'm a trusting soul and Pier seems like a good guy. >> My plan was to take a >> deposit from him at which point I would go ahead and >> give him the title so >> he can get his loan from his bank and go to DC DMV >> and get plates. Then he >> comes to my house with the check from his bank and >> legal plates ready to >> ride. >> >> How else could we do this so he can legally ride the >> bike away? >> >> Bruce >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck and Karen Pena" >> >> >> >>> Pier, >>> >>> Get full payment for your m/c. When he gives you >> the cash, you give him >>> the keys and title. It's his problem to get it >> tagged in VA, not your's. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> Pierre C wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> i am a resident of DC, and a VA resident would >> like to buy my bike. How >>>> shoudl I handle this? shall i just give him the >> title (and get a >>>> deposit) so he can get temp tags then give him >> the bike when his >>>> paperwork is done (and get the final check)? >>>> Regards, >>>> Pierfrancesco consalvo >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "dc-cycles list" > Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:47:03 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > > This won't work because DC won't issue temp tags w/o title (and proof of > insurance.) Furthermore, DC won't issue a new title and tags until the bike > is inspected and you need temp tags to ride the thing legally to the testing > station. I'm not sure how the bank's interest in the vehicle (the lien) > gets recorded in the interim with all this rigmarole, so I don't know how > the seller is going to get paid. Perhaps through some sort of escrow > arrangement. > > With DC cages you just walk in with the title and get the new title and lien > recorded. I'm not sure why DC insists on inspecting bikes before the fact > when cages get 30-day grace period until they must be inspected. I've never > financed a bike before so I can't give a definitive answer. > > Paul in DC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen cutchins" > >> He gets the VIN#, goes to his bank, gets the loan, >> bank makes check out to you, he goes to DMV and gets >> tags, he brings check to you, you give him title, >> keys, and bike. Good guy or not, DO NOT let him ride >> away without money in your hand and the title signed >> over to him. >> >> Worst case scenario, he's in an accident and injures >> someone. If the title is in YOUR name then YOU are >> liable also. Just don't do it!! >> > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:52:15 -0800 (PST) > From: stephen cutchins > Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > But the buyer lives in VA, right? Then why are you > worrying about DC temp tags? If nothing else, he can > get a friend with a pickup to get the bike for him. I > have sold multiple bikes, each time either the buyer > comes with a truck or with his own tags, pays in full, > I sign the title, and off he goes. Don't let him > leave with that bike unless it is totally signed over > to him, because I will say I told ya so when someone > sues the pants off of you because he injures someone > while riding a bike that can still be legally > determined to be "yours." I don't remember the > particulars, but it has happened before, if I remember > correctly the person lost a great deal of cash and a > bike to boot. > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: >> This won't work because DC won't issue temp tags w/o >> title (and proof of >> insurance.) Furthermore, DC won't issue a new title >> and tags until the bike >> is inspected and you need temp tags to ride the >> thing legally to the testing >> station. I'm not sure how the bank's interest in >> the vehicle (the lien) >> gets recorded in the interim with all this >> rigmarole, so I don't know how >> the seller is going to get paid. Perhaps through >> some sort of escrow >> arrangement. >> >> With DC cages you just walk in with the title and >> get the new title and lien >> recorded. I'm not sure why DC insists on inspecting >> bikes before the fact >> when cages get 30-day grace period until they must >> be inspected. I've never >> financed a bike before so I can't give a definitive >> answer. >> >> Paul in DC >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "stephen cutchins" >> >> >>> He gets the VIN#, goes to his bank, gets the loan, >>> bank makes check out to you, he goes to DMV and >> gets >>> tags, he brings check to you, you give him title, >>> keys, and bike. Good guy or not, DO NOT let him >> ride >>> away without money in your hand and the title >> signed >>> over to him. >>> >>> Worst case scenario, he's in an accident and >> injures >>> someone. If the title is in YOUR name then YOU >> are >>> liable also. Just don't do it!! >>> >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by > smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication > X-Trace: > UmFuZG9tSVZ3Nr7ApxTI1EqXHD04eAhFwjoACNDyjWDR932/NZp4YbTE5rpQlfCfWKPVcHuC5Rs= > Reply-To: > From: "Jon Strang" > To: "dc-cycles list" > Subject: m/c rentals in area or WV > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:56:21 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 > > Hey, all; > > I've got two left coast relatives coming out in mid-July. I'd like to rent a > couple of bikes for a 2 or 3 day excursion; can anyone out on the list make > any recommendations, or anti-dations for that matter, on m/c rental > companies in the DC Metro area or out in WV? > > As far as bike types, she's inseam challenged; she currently rides some > Honda Davidson (1100 Sabre?) with a low seat height. He rides an > ST1100...and his hockey-deflicted knees will probably be happiest with a > distinctly non-sport riding position. > > --jon > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "stephen cutchins" , > Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:14:37 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > > Buyer lives in DC and will be titling the bike there. > Paul in DC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen cutchins" > >> But the buyer lives in VA, right? Then why are you >> worrying about DC temp tags? If nothing else, he can >> get a friend with a pickup to get the bike for him. > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX > Content-return: allowed > Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:15:36 -0500 > Subject: RE: m/c rentals in area or WV > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I'm not sure of details at all, but I do know that Patriot Harley in Fairfax > rents their bikes out. The availability might not be so great, so I would > look into it ASAP, same with any other place. > > > any recommendations, or anti-dations for that matter, on m/c rental > companies in the DC Metro area or out in WV? > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 > X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ > Subject: RE: Re: Help on paper work in DC > Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:20:35 -0500 > To: "pawilson@XXXXXX" , > "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2002 17:19:54.0548 (UTC) > FILETIME=[297C7740:01C1ADA0] > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id > g14HJpO15478 > > This is beginning to sound like something out of Catch-22. DC won't issue > temp tags without a title (and proof of insurance). But DC won't issue a new > title until the m/c is inspected and you need the temp tags to ride it to the > testing station! Then throw into the works the possibility of a lien on the > title from the bank. Yikes! > > Assuming the bank is willing to do a loan on a private party transaction, > seems like the way to do this is to exchange money for bike, keys, and title > and then load the thing on a trailer/truck to transport it. Then deal with > the bureaucratic mess that is the DC DMV. BTW, this is basically what I did > when I bought my FZR from out-of-state (CO). Had it shipped to my then office > in VA. Lister Chris Weaver was kind enough to come over and bring it back to > my condo garage on his trailer. I went to the DMV with the title to get a new > title and temp tags. I then got the bike inspected for VA. But the > difference was that I didn't have to get it inspected first to get the new > title and temp tags. > > Chuck (in VA, who likes DC but just wouldn't live there, in part because of > the mess described by Paul!) > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Paul Wilson pawilson@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:47:03 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC > > > This won't work because DC won't issue temp tags w/o title (and proof of > insurance.) Furthermore, DC won't issue a new title and tags until the bike > is inspected and you need temp tags to ride the thing legally to the testing > station. I'm not sure how the bank's interest in the vehicle (the lien) > gets recorded in the interim with all this rigmarole, so I don't know how > the seller is going to get paid. Perhaps through some sort of escrow > arrangement. > > With DC cages you just walk in with the title and get the new title and lien > recorded. I'm not sure why DC insists on inspecting bikes before the fact > when cages get 30-day grace period until they must be inspected. I've never > financed a bike before so I can't give a definitive answer. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: laura granato > To: "dc cycles" > Subject: Wanna lend a hand? > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:35:47 -0500 > > I am currently looking for a job in the DC Area...If anyone knows of a > company that needs an editor/writer, can I pass my resume along to you? > > Thanks in advance! :-) > Laura > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Lantech (DCOP)" > To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" > Subject: RE: Help on paper work in DC > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:07:39 -0500 > > > > The drill in DC is (or at least was in May when I brought a bike from PA to > DC): bring title, bill of sale, proof of insurance and DC Driver's license > to the DMV; they will NOT actually transfer the title yet, and you won't pay > the sales tax yet, but they will give you temp tags. There is a fee, I think > it is $15. It includes the inspection fee. They are the exact same temp > tags as you get on a car (same size and all). Then take the paperwork they > give you and the bike, get the inspection, get your stickers and another > form. Then back to the DMV with the stickers and the inspection form. Make > sure you take the stickers because they want to see them. Then you get your > hard tags. You'll need the seller's title and your bill of sale, insurance, > etc. both visits to the DMV. > > So I'd suggest the buyer pays for the bike, takes the title (and keys if > they want) and does all the running around. You take your tags off the bike > at that time. Then the buyer comes back with the paper tag, puts it on the > bike and goes for the inspection. > > For the buyer, make sure you take a bill of sale to DMV because they > frequently cannot locate the Kelley Blue Book and they are not really nice > about just taking your word for it. > > Also FYI the main DMV at 301 C Street NW is closed for about a month, > starting this week. There is a satellite office in Georgetown Park Mall and > another one at 6th and H NE. They all keep kind of strange hours so you > should check their web site: http://dmv.dc.gov/main.shtm. Also there is > some discrepancy between what the web page says each location offers, and > what their flyer about being closed says, so you may want to call first to > make sure you are going to the right place. > > Good luck! > > -patti > > Patti the Lantech > '95 Virago 750 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "Lantech \(DCOP\)" , > "'Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" > Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:36:32 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > > Upon more mature reflection, this is how the transaction will go down, if it > goes down at all dependent on finding an agreeable bank. This is based on > my experience financing a cage via a bank through a private sale. Go to you > bank/credit union. They will assess the value of the vehicle to see if the > sale price is in line with the bike's value. You come to terms on the > downpayment, etc. You will then fill out the forms, culminating in signing > a promissory note for the amount of the sale less your downpayment, with > vehicle of VIN such and such as collateral. They will issue a check payable > to both you and the seller. Both seller and buyer endorse the check. Money > changes hands, you get keys, signed title and bike. Either leave it at the > sellers, go get your temp tags and ride away, or better, have the seller > ride or trailer the bike to your place and complete the transaction. > Activate the insurance and then follow Patti's outline below for the rest of > the DC rigmarole. DC DMV will record the lien when they finally issue a > title. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lantech (DCOP)" > >> >> >> The drill in DC is (or at least was in May when I brought a bike from PA > to >> DC): bring title, bill of sale, proof of insurance and DC Driver's license >> to the DMV; they will NOT actually transfer the title yet, and you won't > pay >> the sales tax yet, but they will give you temp tags. There is a fee, I > think >> it is $15. It includes the inspection fee. They are the exact same temp >> tags as you get on a car (same size and all). Then take the paperwork > they >> give you and the bike, get the inspection, get your stickers and another >> form. Then back to the DMV with the stickers and the inspection form. > Make >> sure you take the stickers because they want to see them. Then you get > your >> hard tags. You'll need the seller's title and your bill of sale, > insurance, >> etc. both visits to the DMV. >> >> So I'd suggest the buyer pays for the bike, takes the title (and keys if >> they want) and does all the running around. You take your tags off the > bike >> at that time. Then the buyer comes back with the paper tag, puts it on > the >> bike and goes for the inspection. >> >> For the buyer, make sure you take a bill of sale to DMV because they >> frequently cannot locate the Kelley Blue Book and they are not really nice >> about just taking your word for it. >> >> Also FYI the main DMV at 301 C Street NW is closed for about a month, >> starting this week. There is a satellite office in Georgetown Park Mall > and >> another one at 6th and H NE. They all keep kind of strange hours so you >> should check their web site: http://dmv.dc.gov/main.shtm. Also there is >> some discrepancy between what the web page says each location offers, and >> what their flyer about being closed says, so you may want to call first to >> make sure you are going to the right place. >> >> Good luck! >> >> -patti >> >> Patti the Lantech >> '95 Virago 750 >> > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:07:08 -0500 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: stephen cutchins > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC > > I concur, get cash, remove your m/c tag, hand him title, and wave > goodbye. It's HIS problem how to get the bike home. He can push it, > ride illegal as all hell, or borrow a truck. Cargo vans rent for $19.95 > a day. Even then you're not totally safe. > > My tale - Two brothers pick up a Ymaha enduro my kid sold them. A week > goes by *knock knock* the Fairfax County Poo-leece. Do I own a 125 > Yamaha? Nope, sold that sucker. Seems younger bro "found" an m/c tag, > hung it on the bike, and was haul assing thru the streets with his bud > on the back. Car turns *KEEERUNCHHH* Young bro is bashed up good and > bud is in a coma. Bike was never regeistered, bro had no permit, DMV > still had me as owner. Had someone sued I'd be able to beat it, > witnesses galore to the sale and pickup, but my lawyer would driving a > new Mercedes and I'd be driving a fifteen year old Dodge Dart. > > Bill > > > > stephen cutchins wrote: > >> But the buyer lives in VA, right? Then why are you >> worrying about DC temp tags? If nothing else, he can >> get a friend with a pickup to get the bike for him. I >> have sold multiple bikes, each time either the buyer >> comes with a truck or with his own tags, pays in full, >> I sign the title, and off he goes. Don't let him >> leave with that bike unless it is totally signed over >> to him, because I will say I told ya so when someone >> sues the pants off of you because he injures someone >> while riding a bike that can still be legally >> determined to be "yours." I don't remember the >> particulars, but it has happened before, if I remember >> correctly the person lost a great deal of cash and a >> bike to boot. > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 > X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ > Subject: RE: RE: Help on paper work in DC > Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:29:28 -0500 > To: "lantech.cwd@XXXXXX" , > "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2002 20:29:34.0481 (UTC) > FILETIME=[A8747010:01C1ADBA] > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id > g14KTVO18474 > > All I have to say is ... What a PIT(F)A! It will probably be easier for Pier > to move to VA! > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Lantech (DCOP) lantech.cwd@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:07:39 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Help on paper work in DC > > > > > The drill in DC is (or at least was in May when I brought a bike from PA to > DC): bring title, bill of sale, proof of insurance and DC Driver's license > to the DMV; they will NOT actually transfer the title yet, and you won't pay > the sales tax yet, but they will give you temp tags. There is a fee, I think > it is $15. It includes the inspection fee. They are the exact same temp > tags as you get on a car (same size and all). Then take the paperwork they > give you and the bike, get the inspection, get your stickers and another > form. Then back to the DMV with the stickers and the inspection form. Make > sure you take the stickers because they want to see them. Then you get your > hard tags. You'll need the seller's title and your bill of sale, insurance, > etc. both visits to the DMV. > > So I'd suggest the buyer pays for the bike, takes the title (and keys if > they want) and does all the running around. You take your tags off the bike > at that time. Then the buyer comes back with the paper tag, puts it on the > bike and goes for the inspection. > > For the buyer, make sure you take a bill of sale to DMV because they > frequently cannot locate the Kelley Blue Book and they are not really nice > about just taking your word for it. > > Also FYI the main DMV at 301 C Street NW is closed for about a month, > starting this week. There is a satellite office in Georgetown Park Mall and > another one at 6th and H NE. They all keep kind of strange hours so you > should check their web site: http://dmv.dc.gov/main.shtm. Also there is > some discrepancy between what the web page says each location offers, and > what their flyer about being closed says, so you may want to call first to > make sure you are going to the right place. > > Good luck! > > -patti > > Patti the Lantech > '95 Virago 750 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:02:17 -0500 > Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC > To: stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: "garcia oliver" > > stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX writes: >> I >> have sold multiple bikes, each time either the buyer >> comes with a truck or with his own tags, pays in full, >> I sign the title, and off he goes. > > > I have, on occasion, ridden the bike to the new owner's home and gotten a > (car) ride back from him/her. > > --garcia > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:53:50 -0800 (PST) > From: Leon Begeman > Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC > To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > If the buyer is from Virginia, isn't this a Virginia > paperwork question? > > I would think the proper way to do it is that all the > money changes hands at the same time as the title and > bike. Buyer shows up with a trailer to take the bike > home. > > Once the buyer has the title signed over to him, the > bike is his. If I have any suspicion of a problem, > cash is used for the transaction and the name on the > title is checked against some identification by the > seller. Buyer's ID is irrelevant if cash is used. > > Leon. > > --- Pierre C wrote: >> Hello, >> i am a resident of DC, and a VA resident would like >> to buy my bike. How >> shoudl I handle this? shall i just give him the >> title (and get a deposit) so >> he can get temp tags then give him the bike when his >> paperwork is done (and >> get the final check)? >> Regards, >> Pierfrancesco consalvo >> >> >> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: >> http://messenger.msn.com >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > Check with Mountain Thunder in Charles Town WV at www.wvbiker.com Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 4 21:26:06 2002 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:22:52 -0500 Subject: Air Fence Fund - RRW Auctions New Barnacle Bill Road Racing Suit From: Tom Fitzpatrick All, Barnacle Bill, one of the nicest guys anywhere, has agreed to make and donate a suit in support of the RRW air fence fund. Bill (www.racingleather.com) got into making racing leathers when a serious motorcycle racing accident took him out of the construction industry, and he has built suits with that in mind every since. This is a chance to support the fund AND get a top quality, custom made suit. Bill is donating the entire suit, not the net after materials. Since Bill is a one man company, this is like one of us taking a few days off without pay to work on the fund. Remember, you aren't just buying a suit, you are buying air fence, so consider bidding accordingly. The suit can be found at: Title of item: Custom Barnacle Bill Motorcycle Leather Suit Seller: roadracedave Starts: Feb-01-02 11:37:19 PST Ends: Feb-08-02 11:37:19 PST Price: Currently $1,225.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1802522825 Item Description: Custom leather suit maker M-^SBarnacle BillM-^T Burns has donated a custom-made set of his motorcycle leathers (in road race, flat track, speedway, drag race or street style) to be auctioned off with the proceeds, minus the cost of the eBay service, going to the Roadracing World Air Fence Fund.Burns is offering to make a suit to the specifications of the winning bidder, as if they were a customer ordering one of his standard racer package deals, and Burns says, M-^SThe most important suit that I will ever make is the suit that I make for you.M-^TAll of Barnacle BillM-^Rs suits are custom-made from hand-selected 3.0-3.5-ounce leather, feature triple-stitched and glued seams from the inside of the garment to increase durability, come with plastic composite body armor, have optional venting, an optional aerodynamic hump, includes the riderM-^Rs name on the front and back and road race suits come with knee sliders. Additional lettering is available at an additional cost.Virtually any design, col! or or combination of colors is available to the winning bidder. And the suit can be made in either a one-piece or two-piece design.After their bid is received, the winning bidderM-^Rs name will be forwarded to Burns by Roadracing World. The bidder and Burns will then begin to work on the winning bidderM-^Rs new suit. Burns says that the suit will be ready to wear in approximately four weeks, if not earlier.M-^SHurt racers donM-^Rt come back as customers,M-^T said former racer Burns on why he is donating a suit to the Roadracing World Air Fence Fund. M-^SIM-^Rve hit something solid before, and it doesnM-^Rt feel good.M-^TCustom-made leather suits typically range in cost anywhere from $800 to well over $2000.Although leathers are the most effective safety clothing worn by motorcyclists on the street and the racetrack today, sometimes well-made leathers are not enough. As a result, the Roadracing World Air Fence Fund was established to raise money to purchase and deploy Air Fence* and Air Module soft bar! riers to protect crashed riders from hitting walls and other hard objects at racetracks.*Air Fence is a trademark of Airfence Safety Systems of Australia Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com) *Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 mike.watt@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 5 08:34:19 2002 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Bike Rentals Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:33:11 -0500 >I'd like to rent a couple of bikes for a 2 or 3 day excursion Yellow Pages or the Web. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 5 08:48:19 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Moto Rental Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:47:05 -0500 Thanks, everybody for your help. --jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 5 10:16:56 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Tom Fitzpatrick" Subject: Re: Air Fence Fund - RRW Auctions New Barnacle Bill Road Racing Suit Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:28:21 -0500 If I don't really want to bid on the suit, but would like to make a donation to the Air Fence Fund, how would I do that? Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fitzpatrick" To: Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:22 PM Subject: Air Fence Fund - RRW Auctions New Barnacle Bill Road Racing Suit > All, > > Barnacle Bill, one of the nicest guys anywhere, has agreed to make and > donate a suit in support of the RRW air fence fund. Bill > (www.racingleather.com) got into making racing leathers when a serious > motorcycle racing accident took him out of the construction industry, and > he has built suits with that in mind every since. > > This is a chance to support the fund AND get a top quality, custom made > suit. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 5 10:27:30 2002 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: Air Fence Fund - RRW Auctions New Barnacle Bill Road Racing Suit Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:29:14 -0500 Go here: http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/index.html You can actually donate online. Danny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: ; "Tom Fitzpatrick" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Air Fence Fund - RRW Auctions New Barnacle Bill Road Racing Suit > If I don't really want to bid on the suit, but would like to make a donation > to the Air Fence Fund, how would I do that? > > Paul in DC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Fitzpatrick" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:22 PM > Subject: Air Fence Fund - RRW Auctions New Barnacle Bill Road Racing Suit > > > > All, > > > > Barnacle Bill, one of the nicest guys anywhere, has agreed to make and > > donate a suit in support of the RRW air fence fund. Bill > > (www.racingleather.com) got into making racing leathers when a serious > > motorcycle racing accident took him out of the construction industry, and > > he has built suits with that in mind every since. > > > > This is a chance to support the fund AND get a top quality, custom made > > suit. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 5 13:45:32 2002 From: "Bruce Norton" To: Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:47:53 -0500 Thanks to everyone who responded to this thread. Pierfracesco and I seem to have worked everything out. All your help is appreciated! Bruce From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 5 16:58:25 2002 Subject: More possible govt regulation From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:57:41 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In case anyone else didn't see this either on the Speedvision or AMA websites. Just what we need ... more big brother legislation to regulate m/c's. http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/motorcycles/08cnews/020204a.html http://www.amadirectlink.com/legisltn/releases/2002/g02004.asp Chuck (who works for the libertarian Cato Institute think tank and hates hearing about this kind of sh-t!) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 5 17:15:31 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: More possible govt regulation Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:14:15 -0500 Joan Claybrook, your friend and mine.... > -----Original Message----- > From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:58 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: More possible govt regulation > > > In case anyone else didn't see this either on the Speedvision or > AMA websites. Just what we need ... more big brother legislation > to regulate m/c's. > > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/motorcycles/08cnews/020204a.html > > http://www.amadirectlink.com/legisltn/releases/2002/g02004.asp > > Chuck (who works for the libertarian Cato Institute think tank > and hates hearing about this kind of sh-t!) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 5 17:44:05 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:48:49 -0500 Yup, this just in from the "when you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail" desk.... >>Former NHTSA Administrator Joan Claybrook, now president of the public interest group Public Citizen, told the government that equipment manufacturers, including the makers of motorcycle jackets, should report defects to both vehicle manufacturers and the NHTSA "because reporting by the vehicle manufacturers (to the NHTSA) is the simplest and easiest way for NHTSA to maintain a usable database." Imre Szauter, AMA legislative affairs specialist, notes that creation of a database is usually the first step in setting up new regulations to regulate equipment. This notice of proposed rulemaking, he said, could be the first step for mandatory rider apparel certification and use.<< The latter, by the way is already a reality in Europe, at leas the certification part. A better solution is for the manufacturers to set up their own standards organization for leather thickness, armor, etc. You can buy "CE" armor now (Euro standard) but is it really better just because some Brussels bureaucrats say so? Right now is caveat emptor is terms of what is "competition weight" leather and whatnot. Some self-policing among apparel manufacturers might be a good thing. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: RE: More possible govt regulation > Joan Claybrook, your friend and mine.... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:58 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: More possible govt regulation > > > > > > In case anyone else didn't see this either on the Speedvision or > > AMA websites. Just what we need ... more big brother legislation > > to regulate m/c's. > > > > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/motorcycles/08cnews/020204a.html > > > > http://www.amadirectlink.com/legisltn/releases/2002/g02004.asp > > > > Chuck (who works for the libertarian Cato Institute think tank > > and hates hearing about this kind of sh-t!) > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 5 20:15:50 2002 From: Elie Rosenblum Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:15:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1974 CB750K parts bike for sale (or free) in Burke Sorry for the commercial(ish) posting, I have a 1974 CB-750K in Burke that I need to part with (no pun intended). After moving to a townhouse, I just don't have the room for a bike that needs as much done to it as this one does, and I have enough other projects taking up space and time...it would take me too long to get this guy purring happily again, and I would rather free up the space for a bike that won't require as much work. So, I'm selling it for parts - you could get it rolling again, but it's a big project, so I really recommend against it. I've decided he needs a better home, and I need the space if I want to buy a bike I can actually ride this year. It was never dropped when I owned it (don't know about before that, there are some dings but nothing big). The engine ran fine when it last ran, but currently there is no ignition system installed (all the parts go with it though), and the starter never worked. Kick started fine though. I have a new set of tires that also go with it that were never installed, and a complete engine rebuild kit that doesn't need to be used, but might make the purchase worthwhile for you. :) I'm located in Burke, VA. I'll sell it to whoever gives me a decent bid this week, including the full fairing, sissy bar, etc. If nobody voices economic interest, I'll sign the bike over to whoever is willing to come pick it up. Title is clear in my name. If you're interested, please email me at fnord@XXXXXX or call 703-569-1813. Thanks. -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necronomicon_ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 5 21:32:47 2002 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: neat shop Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:32:45 GMT I'm here in Colorado Springs, Co visiting my folks. We just went to dinner downtown (yeah, big downtown here) and walked past a shop called Bikers Dream of Colorado Springs. Neat stuff in the window including an Indian motorcycle with a sidecar. I hear they also do rentals. Hmm, next time I am in town I will have to check them out when they are open. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 5 21:55:46 2002 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:56:27 -0500 To: lisagoddard@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: neat shop At 09:32 PM 2/5/2002, lisagoddard@XXXXXX wrote: >I'm here in Colorado Springs, Co visiting my folks. We just went to dinner >downtown (yeah, big downtown here) and walked past a shop called Bikers Dream >of Colorado Springs. Lisa, Check out the Guzzis at Eurocity Cycles on South Chestnut, *all* the Japanese brands in one place at Apex Motorcycles on South Weber, and cruisers at Biker's Closet, 444 E Pikes Peak Ave. You could also call MAW in the Springs and ask if they have a retail location out there yet. They didn't as of last year. The more people who call, the sooner it might happen. It's really cool to ride a bike up Pike's Peak, but the road must still be closed. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 5 22:30:41 2002 From: Brian Roach To: "Paul Wilson" , Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:30:15 -0500 On Tuesday 05 February 2002 17:48, Paul Wilson wrote: > > The latter, by the way is already a reality in Europe, at leas the > certification part. A better solution is for the manufacturers to set up > their own standards organization for leather thickness, armor, etc. You > can buy "CE" armor now (Euro standard) but is it really better just because > some Brussels bureaucrats say so? Actually, Yes. Knox was the first motorcycle armor/protective wear company to seek and receive CE certification for their products. The standard states that armor must absorb 2/3 of a 50 joules inpact, as measured in a lab. This is a happy thing in my book, and you know exactly where you stand if something you buy has the CE certification label. A nifty Knox CE back protector probably saved me from being paralized, or possibly killed when I hit the wall at Road-Atlanta in '00. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 5 23:12:28 2002 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:02:16 -0500 Subject: *YOU* and *YOUR SPONSORS* in Road Racing World - Half Page for *FREE*!!!! X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,6-11,14-15,19-22,27-28,30-31,33-34 From: Tom Fitzpatrick *YOU* and *YOUR SPONSORS* in Road Racing World - Half Page for *FREE*!!!! Well, almost for free. You and your sponsors will be profiled in a half page Roadracing World article if you place the winning bid on the custom made Barnacle Bill Leathers donated by Bill in support of the Roadracing World (RRW) Air Fence Fund. The URL is: http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/index.html The text reads as follows: "As bidding in the Roadracing World Air Fence Fund benefit auction for a made-to-order set of Barnacle Bill leathers holds at $1,225, we've added an extra bonus to the auction. The winning bidder for the Barnacle Bill custom leathers will receive two columns (half a page) of coverage in an issue of Roadracing World, complete with a photo of themselves wearing the leathers along with a profile of their racing program and a complete list of their sponsors. The auction is due to end Friday, February 8, at 1:37 pm Central Time." The leathers are probably worth at least $1,500, and the exposure and good will for your sponsors would be very great. If you want to thank someone for their support of your program, get your fifteen minutes of fame, and help the next racer sliding towards a wall, please factor those considerations into your bids. This is a public relations BARGAIN! If you don't want to bid on the suit, but wish to make a donation, you can do so on-line at the RRW web site, above. When you are sliding towards a wall at 100 mph, it's too late to be thinking about a contribution. Tom From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 07:38:54 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:38:35 EST Subject: Re: neat shop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/5/2002 9:57:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: > It's really cool to ride a bike up Pike's Peak, but the road must still be > closed. That thing is COLD!!! even in August, I do not even want to think about it at this time of year. John: Who had left his cold gear in Denver the first time he rode up the Peak (in August.) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 07:45:46 2002 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:47:36 -0500 I can relate....I can't imagine what my back would have ended up looking like without my Knox back protector. I had 5 broken ribs and 2 others cracked about 2 inches from my spine. No Knox, no vertibrae I'm betting. If you ride and you have any sense you should wear a back protector. By the way, I don't even have the slightest clue what this thread is about. I just happened to read Brians account of hitting the wall. Danny '02 XR 250R '00 SV (racebike) '98 Superhawk "FOR SALE" '01 Shadow ACE Tourer "FOR SALE" www.onewayracing.org ...................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" SNIP..... > > A nifty Knox CE back protector probably saved me from being paralized, or > possibly killed when I hit the wall at Road-Atlanta in '00. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 09:09:56 2002 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:09:53 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro Looks like PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro is in a new incarnation. Might be worth a look. http://www.powersportspro.com/SneakPreview/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 09:12:13 2002 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:12:11 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: OOPS PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro Oops, looks like I just had a senior moment - PowerSportsPro is a totally different place. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Chris Norloff" Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:09:53 -0500 Looks like PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro is in a new incarnation. Might be worth a look. http://www.powersportspro.com/SneakPreview/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 09:36:50 2002 Subject: RE: Re: More possible govt regulation From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:37:22 -0500 To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Hey Mr. Clueless! We are trusting you teach impressionable young minds? This country is in a load of trouble! %^) BTW, the thread (which I started) was about possible govt regulation of motorcycle clothing/accessories. Get a clue! %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: Danny Thompson dthompso1@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:47:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation I can relate....I can't imagine what my back would have ended up looking like without my Knox back protector. I had 5 broken ribs and 2 others cracked about 2 inches from my spine. No Knox, no vertibrae I'm betting. If you ride and you have any sense you should wear a back protector. By the way, I don't even have the slightest clue what this thread is about. I just happened to read Brians account of hitting the wall. Danny '02 XR 250R '00 SV (racebike) '98 Superhawk "FOR SALE" '01 Shadow ACE Tourer "FOR SALE" www.onewayracing.org ..................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" SNIP..... > > A nifty Knox CE back protector probably saved me from being paralized, or > possibly killed when I hit the wall at Road-Atlanta in '00. > > - Roach -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 09:43:14 2002 Subject: RE: Re: More possible govt regulation From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:43:13 -0500 To: "roach@XXXXXX" , "pawilson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Brian, I have CE armor in my suit and one of the reasons I have it is because it's CE-approved. I don't doubt that it's "better" But do we really want to government regulating riding apparel? Especially the safety-crats who will end up mandating stuff like linked brakes, ABS, air bags, and all sorts of other "crap" that should be choices left to the consumer. If folks like you and me think the CE-approved stuff is better because it's been certified by some bureaucratic body, then we are free to decide to buy it. If others could give a rat's ass, they don't have to. I certainly don't want the government dictating what people have to buy and wear to ride a motorcycle. And I don't want another bureaucracy (at taxpayer expense) that adds cost to a product. Let the market sort it out. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Brian Roach roach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:30:15 -0500 To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation On Tuesday 05 February 2002 17:48, Paul Wilson wrote: > > The latter, by the way is already a reality in Europe, at leas the > certification part. A better solution is for the manufacturers to set up > their own standards organization for leather thickness, armor, etc. You > can buy "CE" armor now (Euro standard) but is it really better just because > some Brussels bureaucrats say so? Actually, Yes. Knox was the first motorcycle armor/protective wear company to seek and receive CE certification for their products. The standard states that armor must absorb 2/3 of a 50 joules inpact, as measured in a lab. This is a happy thing in my book, and you know exactly where you stand if something you buy has the CE certification label. A nifty Knox CE back protector probably saved me from being paralized, or possibly killed when I hit the wall at Road-Atlanta in '00. - Roach -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 09:49:43 2002 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 06:49:41 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: For Sale: 1980 BMW R100T To: DCC For Sale: 1980 R100T 24K miles..........See Jon Burnett 540-338-1951 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 09:52:13 2002 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 06:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Re: For Sale: 1980 BMW R100T To: DCC And that's all I know about it. :) Rich For Sale: 1980 R100T 24K miles Call Jon 540-338-1951 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 09:57:02 2002 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:55:13 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: "roach@XXXXXX" , "pawilson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation I agree. What's next? Approved clothing for cage drivers and passengers? Like they could all suit up in NASCAR fire suits, just in case... Bill cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Brian, > > I have CE armor in my suit and one of the reasons I have it is because it's CE-approved. I don't doubt that it's "better" But do we really want to government regulating riding apparel? Especially the safety-crats who will end up mandating stuff like linked brakes, ABS, air bags, and all sorts of other "crap" that should be choices left to the consumer. If folks like you and me think the CE-approved stuff is better because it's been certified by some bureaucratic body, then we are free to decide to buy it. If others could give a rat's ass, they don't have to. I certainly don't want the government dictating what people have to buy and wear to ride a motorcycle. And I don't want another bureaucracy (at taxpayer expense) that adds cost to a product. Let the market sort it out. > > Chuck > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Brian Roach roach@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:30:15 -0500 > To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation > > On Tuesday 05 February 2002 17:48, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > The latter, by the way is already a reality in Europe, at leas the > > certification part. A better solution is for the manufacturers to set up > > their own standards organization for leather thickness, armor, etc. You > > can buy "CE" armor now (Euro standard) but is it really better just because > > some Brussels bureaucrats say so? > > Actually, Yes. Knox was the first motorcycle armor/protective wear company to > seek and receive CE certification for their products. The standard states > that armor must absorb 2/3 of a 50 joules inpact, as measured in a lab. This > is a happy thing in my book, and you know exactly where you stand if > something you buy has the CE certification label. > > A nifty Knox CE back protector probably saved me from being paralized, or > possibly killed when I hit the wall at Road-Atlanta in '00. > > - Roach > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 10:00:45 2002 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:56:28 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , , , Subject: RE: Re: More possible govt regulation I have seen the CE label on all sorts of electronics also. Is that like the ISO-9000 stuff in the computer industry. Where basically you pay the ISO people for a certification? Anything like that will just add cost to the consumers. George Cole >>> "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" 02/06/02 09:43AM >>> Brian, I have CE armor in my suit and one of the reasons I have it is because it's CE-approved. I From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 10:06:41 2002 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:06:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX i like how there are separate sections of the site for "street" and "harley" i guess they could have put "garage" for the latter;) --- Chris Norloff wrote: > > Looks like PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro is in a > new incarnation. Might be worth a look. > > http://www.powersportspro.com/SneakPreview/ > > Chris Norloff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 10:10:47 2002 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:10:45 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think you guys may be missing the point. The proposal wasn't for dictating riding apparel to riders and forcing folks to wear certain stuff ala helmets. I took it to mean the reporting of defects and policing of the industry to make sure that effective gear gets recognized. I'm all for that, personally. There's far too little scientific evidence on the effectiveness of various motorcycle protective gear. There isn't even that much anecdotal evidence, for that matter. If this makes me a better-informed and safer rider, I support it. It's when they tell me what I *have to* wear that I find it a problem. A simple certification mark on "approved" clothing isn't threatening to me. I understand that some of you may see this as the thin end of the wedge, so to speak. I.e. the beginning of legislation that will result in mandated motorcycle clothing. I'm not that paranoid - there are many steps along the way where this can be averted. Chris Weaver --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > I agree. What's next? Approved clothing for cage > drivers and passengers? Like they could all suit > up in NASCAR fire suits, just in case... > > Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 10:14:10 2002 From: "Eric Silberg" To: Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:12:48 -0500 Personally, I think that the gvt. should fund development of the Nerf Ultimate Transportation Safety System (N.U.T.S.S.) All vehicles, after being occupied, fill with Nerf cubes that are stored in a large chamber built into the roof of the vehicle. This eliminates the need for those typical and useless devices like "seat belts" and "common sense". When the engine is shut off, a giant vacuum sucks all the Nerf back into it's storage chamber. Sure, seeing may be an issue, but with all that safety, you don't really have to be concerned if you hit anything. Of course, a roof would have to be retrofit on to all motorcycles to house the device, and I guess convertibles wouldn't really be that convertible anymore, but that's a small price to pay for all the added security that we'd get. > I agree. What's next? Approved clothing for cage drivers and passengers? Like they could all suit up in NASCAR > fire suits, just in case... From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 10:19:25 2002 From: Brian Roach To: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "roach@XXXXXX" , "pawilson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: More possible govt regulation Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:19:14 -0500 On Wednesday 06 February 2002 09:43, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Brian, > > I have CE armor in my suit and one of the reasons I have it is because it's > CE-approved. I don't doubt that it's "better" But do we really want to > government regulating riding apparel? Regulating as in setting standards and requiring the equipment to pass certain tests to recieve a label (like CE)? Yes. I buy CE rated gear for this reason - I know what I'm buying. No manufacturer in the US has done this on their own, and it's not exactly a new idea (Snell certification on helmets has been around for a long time). However, it appears the CE testing/rating is making progress toward becoming the international standard... maybe Vanson and other companies will just go that way. Of all things that SHOULD be regulated (in regard to meeting a certain standard), saftey equipment seems like a no-brainer to me. Regulating as in you must wear specific gear? No. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 10:26:38 2002 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:26:37 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Re: More possible govt regulation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not to mention adding quality to the product. Chris Weaver --- George Cole wrote: > I have seen the CE label on all sorts of electronics > also. Is that like the ISO-9000 stuff in the > computer industry. Where basically you pay the ISO > people for a certification? Anything like that will > just add cost to the consumers. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 10:35:46 2002 From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'jmstrang@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'hdknight@XXXXXX'" Subject: m/c rentals in area or WV Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:34:52 -0500 Jon, Here's further info on Mountain Thunder... 235 W. Washington Street Charles Town, WV 25414 Phone: 304-724-1253 Website: www.wvbiker.com Sally '01YZF600R From: "Ken Shephard" To: , Subject: Re: m/c rentals in area or WV Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:00:04 -0500 FILETIME=[72280730:01C1ADE0] jon... Try Mountain Thunder in downtown Charles Town. Its right on the Main Drag, on 340 through town, on your left if you were heading towards Summit Point as you drove through town. They frequently have a number of bikes sitting out front in the summer. I've never stopped there, although I have meant to. Maybe this summer. >any recommendations, or anti-dations for that matter, on m/c rental >companies in the DC Metro area or out in WV? > >--jon >01 Suz Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 10:35:51 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: More possible govt regulation Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:34:36 -0500 Do we really think that the federal government has the capability to develop a standard for apparel that works? Are we talking about the same federal government? And even if they could, what are the costs...and scarier, the implications? "I'm sorry about your injuries, sir, but we, as your gov't regulated HMO, we are not responsible for injuries incurred by you while not wearing government approved safety gear." The insurance and medical industries have repeatedly foisted the _Social Burden of the Motorcyclist_ concept on the public; it has become axiomatic in those communities that motorcyclists consume a disproportionate amount of health care. If you are blind to where this is leading, I can't help you. If you think this is paranoid...there are already employer-provided medical insurance plans that don't cover motorcyclists. The people affected usually find out after they are in the hospital. It's an easy step for the ones that do provide coverage to put a "use approved protective gear" clause, thus reducing the total dollar amount of claims payable. --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:11 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation > > > I think you guys may be missing the point. The > proposal wasn't for dictating riding apparel to riders > and forcing folks to wear certain stuff ala helmets. I > took it to mean the reporting of defects and policing > of the industry to make sure that effective gear gets > recognized. I'm all for that, personally. > > There's far too little scientific evidence on the > effectiveness of various motorcycle protective gear. > There isn't even that much anecdotal evidence, for > that matter. If this makes me a better-informed and > safer rider, I support it. > > It's when they tell me what I *have to* wear that I > find it a problem. A simple certification mark on > "approved" clothing isn't threatening to me. I > understand that some of you may see this as the thin > end of the wedge, so to speak. I.e. the beginning of > legislation that will result in mandated motorcycle > clothing. I'm not that paranoid - there are many steps > along the way where this can be averted. > > Chris Weaver > > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > I agree. What's next? Approved clothing for cage > > drivers and passengers? Like they could all suit > > up in NASCAR fire suits, just in case... > > > > Bill > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 10:40:30 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:44:12 -0500 This is probably lurching a bit off-topic. It seems to me the best rating and standards systems come from within the industry. Let's take what I know well: construction. Grading systems and QC standards for everything from 2x4s to concrete to wiring come from trade associations of manufacturers in consultation with other professionals, and the ANSI (American National Standards Institute), not from the government. If we had to wait on the gubmint to come up with a lumber grading standard for a 2x4 we'd have a long wait and they'd probably screw it up, make them more expensive and kill off a slew of mom and pop sawmills that couldn't afford to comply. The standards are not mandatory in a legal sense, but they are essentially universal because in our market-driven system standards benefit everyone from the materials suppliers, the manufacturers, contractors, architects, to the insurance underwriters and building owners. It levels the playing field because you know what you're getting. With the myriad of small suppliers, mom and pop shops, small companies that offer a dizzying array of goods, etc., in the American marketplace industry-driven standards are a good thing because it amounts to self-policing. It does the steel industry as a whole no credit, for example, when a bad actor turns out sub-standard materials. Europeans, by contrast, place much greater faith in general in bureaucrats than in self-interested people within the industry. The Knox back protector cited earlier is a good example. The company saw it in its best interest to adopt the standard because it represented something of value to them and their customer base, not because some government ministry said you must do so under pain of prosecution in order to sell them. Paul in DC > cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Brian, > > > > I have CE armor in my suit and one of the reasons I have it is because it's CE-approved. I don't doubt that it's "better" But do we really want to government regulating riding apparel? Especially the safety-crats who will end up mandating stuff like linked brakes, ABS, air bags, and all sorts of other "crap" that should be choices left to the consumer. If folks like you and me think the CE-approved stuff is better because it's been certified by some bureaucratic body, then we are free to decide to buy it. If others could give a rat's ass, they don't have to. I certainly don't want the government dictating what people have to buy and wear to ride a motorcycle. And I don't want another bureaucracy (at taxpayer expense) that adds cost to a product. Let the market sort it out. > > > > Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 10:46:49 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: "Wood, Sally" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: m/c rentals in area or WV Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:45:34 -0500 Thanks, Sally. For the list's reference, I've heard/found on web/etc the following: Mountain Thunder in WV, www.wvbiker.com HD in Frederick, MD Patriot HD in Fairfax, VA www.budgetharley.com Now, if we were in Phoenix, LA, Florida, etc., I would have a bunch of choices. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Wood, Sally [mailto:sally.wood@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:35 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'jmstrang@XXXXXX' > Cc: 'hdknight@XXXXXX' > Subject: m/c rentals in area or WV > > > Jon, > > Here's further info on Mountain Thunder... > > 235 W. Washington Street > Charles Town, WV 25414 > > Phone: 304-724-1253 > Website: www.wvbiker.com > > > Sally > '01YZF600R > > > X-Originating-IP: [67.208.122.156] > From: "Ken Shephard" > To: , > Subject: Re: m/c rentals in area or WV > Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:00:04 -0500 > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2002 01:00:04.0259 (UTC) > FILETIME=[72280730:01C1ADE0] > > > jon... > > Try Mountain Thunder in downtown Charles Town. Its right on the > Main Drag, > on 340 through town, on your left if you were heading towards Summit Point > as you drove through town. They frequently have a number of bikes sitting > out front in the summer. I've never stopped there, although I have meant > to. Maybe this summer. > > >any recommendations, or anti-dations for that matter, on m/c rental > >companies in the DC Metro area or out in WV? > > > > >--jon > >01 Suz Bandit 1200 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 10:55:07 2002 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:55:56 -0500 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: neat shop At 07:38 AM 2/6/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 2/5/2002 9:57:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, >pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: > > > It's really cool to ride a bike up Pike's Peak, but the road must still be > > closed. > >That thing is COLD!!! even in August, I do not even want to think about it at >this time of year. You never know with the mountains. We were out there for the Pikes Peak Hill Climb on July fourth a couple of years ago, at the mid-straight speed trap by the campground. Most of the day, it was over 90 degrees; at 3pm, the temperature dropped suddenly, and, within half an hour, it was 25 degrees in a major hailstorm. Beat the hell out of all the race cars trying to make it back down the mountain. I also remember my first visit to Albuquerque. It was a nice October day, in the sixties. I rode the tram up to High Finance restaurant on Sandia Crest, about five thousand feet above the city, and almost froze my butt off. At the top, the ground was covered with about six inches of ice, and I didn't even want to know what the temperature was. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 11:15:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16GFJO00165 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GR400F01D4W5Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:14:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GR400CM8D4V7G@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:14:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GR400701D4OFZ@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:14:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GR40062WD4JY5@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:14:44 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:14:29 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: List-dc cycles Message-id: <3C615665.D8405BFD@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200202060909.AA874905704@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote: > > Looks like PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro is in a new incarnation. Might be worth a look. > > http://www.powersportspro.com/SneakPreview/ > > Chris Norloff Figures, they finally decide to Not Suck after losing the Kawasaki (and Honda) franchise... :) Online OEM parts pricing... hmmm. Hork -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 11:39:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11105.mail.yahoo.com (web11105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g16GdbO00497 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:39:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020206163935.33849.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:39:35 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro To: List-dc cycles In-Reply-To: <3C615665.D8405BFD@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Are we sure that this is the same company that owns PoserRide? I didn't see any reference to it on their site. Chris Weaver --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > > Looks like PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro is > in a new incarnation. Might be worth a look. > > > > http://www.powersportspro.com/SneakPreview/ > > > > Chris Norloff > > Figures, they finally decide to Not Suck after > losing the > Kawasaki (and Honda) franchise... :) > > Online OEM parts pricing... hmmm. > > Hork > -- > MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 12:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13806.mail.yahoo.com (web13806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g16H7mO00988 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:07:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020206170747.60408.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:07:47 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:07:47 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <009101c1af25$5f853260$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, but there are many examples of when Industry-regulation does not work. The frist comes to mind is the accounting industry (doing consulting and auditing work for the same client...Andersen/Enron). How about the tobacco industry....etc. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > This is probably lurching a bit off-topic. It seems > to me the best rating > and standards systems come from within the industry. > Let's take what I know > well: construction. Grading systems and QC > standards for everything from > 2x4s to concrete to wiring come from trade > associations of manufacturers in > consultation with other professionals, and the ANSI > (American National > Standards Institute), not from the government. If > we had to wait on the > gubmint to come up with a lumber grading standard > for a 2x4 we'd have a long > wait and they'd probably screw it up, make them more > expensive and kill off > a slew of mom and pop sawmills that couldn't afford > to comply. The > standards are not mandatory in a legal sense, but > they are essentially > universal because in our market-driven system > standards benefit everyone > from the materials suppliers, the manufacturers, > contractors, architects, to > the insurance underwriters and building owners. It > levels the playing field > because you know what you're getting. With the > myriad of small suppliers, > mom and pop shops, small companies that offer a > dizzying array of goods, > etc., in the American marketplace industry-driven > standards are a good thing > because it amounts to self-policing. It does the > steel industry as a whole > no credit, for example, when a bad actor turns out > sub-standard materials. > > Europeans, by contrast, place much greater faith in > general in bureaucrats > than in self-interested people within the industry. > The Knox back protector > cited earlier is a good example. The company saw it > in its best interest to > adopt the standard because it represented something > of value to them and > their customer base, not because some government > ministry said you must do > so under pain of prosecution in order to sell them. > > Paul in DC > > > > > cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Brian, > > > > > > I have CE armor in my suit and one of the > reasons I have it is because > it's CE-approved. I don't doubt that it's "better" > But do we really want > to government regulating riding apparel? Especially > the safety-crats who > will end up mandating stuff like linked brakes, ABS, > air bags, and all sorts > of other "crap" that should be choices left to the > consumer. If folks like > you and me think the CE-approved stuff is better > because it's been certified > by some bureaucratic body, then we are free to > decide to buy it. If others > could give a rat's ass, they don't have to. I > certainly don't want the > government dictating what people have to buy and > wear to ride a motorcycle. > And I don't want another bureaucracy (at taxpayer > expense) that adds cost to > a product. Let the market sort it out. > > > > > > Chuck > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 12:07:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16H7rO00998 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:07:53 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E46C@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:07:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think they're totally unrelated. There was some mention the other day that the Coleman/Powerride dealership was undergoing changes again. When I went there the other day (OK, OK, I was desperate for a U-lock for newly acquired bike) I saw once again the accessories manager from the old Coleman days. He said the old owners were back and that he had just completed some much needed house cleaning among the staff. Since I had rarely seen the same person there twice it didn't seem to affect the business in my opinion. The stock looks the same, but I'm not sure if they will get back the Kawasaki dealership they lost earlier. So far though, the only advantage to their accessories is that they're close. My three beefs with them will have to be corrected before they ever become a serious success; decent pricing, carrying the products I see advertised in the magazines and integrating their departments into one business. Pricing pretty much sucks, although they do rehearse their list of excuses why they can't compete with online dealers (hello!? www.helmetshop.com is retail store in Florida why do they kick everyone's ass on helmet pricing?) The products tend to be what they can get the best markup on and the stupid shuffle you have to make between three departments for a price on a service job is right out of the Enron school of customer relations(go to service for a labor quote, go to parts for the parts quote and then to accessories for the consumables price [oil, lube, etc.]) Can you imagine a automotive service writer making you jump through those hoops? They are a classic example of a shop that wants to run according to their routine and comfort zone, not according to what's best for their customers. Cedric Are we sure that this is the same company that owns PoserRide? I didn't see any reference to it on their site. Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 12:23:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16HNGO01209 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:23:16 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY2MoMvs48iluxmO/2u3PrFp5rKLEDOBqQ/zECqFON/fJlA5itPj2Aa2eRU+uCCRmE= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16YVmt-0003AK-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:23:15 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: RE: More possible govt regulation (now completely moto free!) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020206170747.60408.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal How did self regulation not work in tobacco? What regulations are needed? What government regulation (other than banning tobacco) are you expecting? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 12:08 PM > To: Paul Wilson; dc-cycles list > Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation > > > Yes, but there are many examples of when > Industry-regulation does not work. The frist comes to > mind is the accounting industry (doing consulting and > auditing work for the same client...Andersen/Enron). > How about the tobacco industry....etc. > > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > This is probably lurching a bit off-topic. It seems > > to me the best rating > > and standards systems come from within the industry. > > Let's take what I know > > well: construction. Grading systems and QC > > standards for everything from > > 2x4s to concrete to wiring come from trade From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 12:24:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16HONO01229 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:23:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro / Cycle Sport Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:23:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cycle Sport in Herndon does the same deal when you want to get work done there, you talk to parts, then to service, never understood that. -----Original Message----- From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 12:08 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro I think they're totally unrelated. There was some mention the other day that the Coleman/Powerride dealership was undergoing changes again. When I went there the other day (OK, OK, I was desperate for a U-lock for newly acquired bike) I saw once again the accessories manager from the old Coleman days. He said the old owners were back and that he had just completed some much needed house cleaning among the staff. Since I had rarely seen the same person there twice it didn't seem to affect the business in my opinion. The stock looks the same, but I'm not sure if they will get back the Kawasaki dealership they lost earlier. So far though, the only advantage to their accessories is that they're close. My three beefs with them will have to be corrected before they ever become a serious success; decent pricing, carrying the products I see advertised in the magazines and integrating their departments into one business. Pricing pretty much sucks, although they do rehearse their list of excuses why they can't compete with online dealers (hello!? www.helmetshop.com is retail store in Florida why do they kick everyone's ass on helmet pricing?) The products tend to be what they can get the best markup on and the stupid shuffle you have to make between three departments for a price on a service job is right out of the Enron school of customer relations(go to service for a labor quote, go to parts for the parts quote and then to accessories for the consumables price [oil, lube, etc.]) Can you imagine a automotive service writer making you jump through those hoops? They are a classic example of a shop that wants to run according to their routine and comfort zone, not according to what's best for their customers. Cedric From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 12:32:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16HWwO01392 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:32:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:32:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200202061232.AA1391919206@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro X-Mailer: They're different. My *second* message noted that - I got them confused in my mind this morning. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Chris Weaver Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:39:35 -0800 (PST) >Are we sure that this is the same company that owns >PoserRide? I didn't see any reference to it on their >site. > >Chris Weaver > >--- Dale Horstman wrote: >> Chris Norloff wrote: >> > >> > Looks like PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro is >> in a new incarnation. Might be worth a look. >> > >> > http://www.powersportspro.com/SneakPreview/ >> > >> > Chris Norloff >> >> Figures, they finally decide to Not Suck after >> losing the >> Kawasaki (and Honda) franchise... :) >> >> Online OEM parts pricing... hmmm. >> >> Hork >> -- >> MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) >> >> Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX >> Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth >> >> AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! >> >> '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer >> '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi >> '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 12:34:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16HYGO01409 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g16HYFw07941 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:34:15 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro / Cycle Sport Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:34:15 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02020612341507.01271@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 06 February 2002 12:23, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > Pricing > pretty much sucks, although they do rehearse their list of excuses why they > can't compete with online dealers (hello!? www.helmetshop.com is retail > store in Florida why do they kick everyone's ass on helmet pricing?) Beats me... I just looked at their pricing, and we sell just about everything at the same or less price. I think it has to do with A) Coleman Sucks, and B) If you run a business in a low cost of living area, you can do better on pricing than somewhere paying 5 times your rent and taxes. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 12:50:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20110.mail.yahoo.com (web20110.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g16HodO01724 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:50:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020206175035.67304.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:50:35 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:50:35 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Meet the great Robert Higdon? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii of MCN/IBRA fame who did a stint at MMI and wrote an absolutely hilarious account of his travails in becoming a mech after being a lawyer for many years. He lives in DC and I floated him an idea of meeting with dc-cycles folk much like we got together for the Crystal City Riders at Shirlington. Anyone up for another round of the Crystal City Riders or similar gathering in that same general vicinity? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 13:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16IGlO02110 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-45-206.s1476.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.206] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16YWcf-000664-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:16:46 -0500 Message-ID: <01ee01c1af3b$324071a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020206170747.60408.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:17:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Yes, but there are many examples of when > Industry-regulation does not work. The frist comes to > mind is the accounting industry (doing consulting and > auditing work for the same client...Andersen/Enron). > How about the tobacco industry....etc. > > Certainly, no system is perfect, however, government regulators have been caught asleep at the switch plenty of times too. Care to consider the S&L debacle of the late 80s? Or the practitioners of price fixing that couldn't keep the juice flowing in CA last year? And, in the case of Arthur Andersen, you can bet there's lots of "self-policing" going on there right now if anyone is going to believe future audits performed by the company. The marketplace is much more stern disciplinarian than the government in many cases. Bottom line is the strength in our economy lies in its sheer complexity and diversity, something on which government regulation should tread very lightly and very carefully. Government regulation stifles economic diversity by raising the start up costs on the newcomers and innovators in any industry and in general stifling the creation of new products. No wonder central economic planning produces such miserable results. That's one of the many things the latter day Marxists that ran the command economies never could figure out. They perceived the fact that American companies produced 56 different kinds of refrigerators to be a weakness rather than a strength. To get this back to bikes, the EPA's moves to tighten emissions standards could have a devastating effect on the diversity of motorcycles available in the states. While doing diddly to improve air quality, I might add, since bikes account for less than 1% of vehicle miles. We already complain about how manufacturer X doesn't import motorcycle Y. Having to modify a bike to import it to the states, plus going through the testing and certification process, increases the "why bother" factor enormously if you're only going to sell a few thousand units. If you're a small shop building "boutique" street-legal bikes, potentially you're out of business. For an industry that doesn't sell the same model by the millions, raising the costs of complying with government edicts has a chilling effect. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 13:39:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f55.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.55]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16IdwO02541 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:28:15 -0800 Received: from 64.24.91.155 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:28:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.24.91.155] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSF info for DC peps Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:28:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2002 18:28:15.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AB817E0:01C1AF3C] DC isn't the friendliest place for motorcyclists. Even MSF of DC doesn't have a clue about insurance and other stuff for DC residents (the people there told me they were from VA, and didn't know stuff about DC!... I mean, my apologies if any of the DC MSF people is reading this). I have looked at taking an MSF course, but couldn't find a spot before like July!? anyone here knows where i can be more successful? Thanks , pierfrancesco _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 13:55:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16ItYO02819 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-43-179.s941.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.43.179] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16YXED-0005Vr-00; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:55:34 -0500 Message-ID: <03b801c1af40$9b4f0760$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Pierre C" , References: Subject: Re: MSF info for DC peps Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:00:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre C" > DC isn't the friendliest place for motorcyclists. Even MSF of DC doesn't > have a clue about insurance and other stuff for DC residents (the people > there told me they were from VA, and didn't know stuff about DC!... I mean, > my apologies if any of the DC MSF people is reading this). > > I have looked at taking an MSF course, but couldn't find a spot before like > July!? anyone here knows where i can be more successful? > > Thanks , > pierfrancesco > July, I'd say you're *very* lucky for getting a spot in July. As you by now know, DC does not have a "state" sponsored MSF training program. DC residents must rely on our neighboring jurisdictions. MSF training does not get you a road test bypass for a DC endorsement either, for that reason. It's still a good thing to do and you still get insurance discounts. You might try Maryland but I've heard they have similar problems with too much demand and not enough training spots. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 14:05:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (pcp732049pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net [68.49.160.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16J5lO03103 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (bonaire.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.12]) by bonaire.brauhausdc.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g16J5bj09388 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:05:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:05:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF info for DC peps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Pierre C wrote: > DC isn't the friendliest place for motorcyclists. Even MSF of DC doesn't > have a clue about insurance and other stuff for DC residents (the people > there told me they were from VA, and didn't know stuff about DC!... I mean, > my apologies if any of the DC MSF people is reading this). > > I have looked at taking an MSF course, but couldn't find a spot before like > July!? anyone here knows where i can be more successful? > Louden has spots open... in OCTOBER! Call Claire Wynn (right away!) at 703-450-2552. After trading a couple of emails with a lister who's a Virginia MSF instructor, I'm going to look into asking if they'd setup a private basic instruction class for DC-Cycles listers. I guess this has never been done before -- they normally only do it for their ERC classes, not the basic ones. I have real doubts that it will be possible (scheduling, finding instructors, getting bikes, finding a location, etc) but, if you or someone you know is serious about being interested in taking the class, please send contact information (name, phone number, email address, which state MD | VA | DC, etc) to: msfclass@XXXXXX Thanks. Dan. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 14:24:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13807.mail.yahoo.com (web13807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g16JOLO03365 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:24:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020206192420.98466.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:24:20 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:24:20 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: More possible govt regulation (now completely moto free!) To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not targeting minors, not adding nicotine articficially..... --- Jon Strang wrote: > How did self regulation not work in tobacco? What > regulations are needed? > What government regulation (other than banning > tobacco) are you expecting? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Kitchell > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 12:08 PM > > To: Paul Wilson; dc-cycles list > > Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation > > > > > > Yes, but there are many examples of when > > Industry-regulation does not work. The frist > comes to > > mind is the accounting industry (doing consulting > and > > auditing work for the same > client...Andersen/Enron). > > How about the tobacco industry....etc. > > > > > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > This is probably lurching a bit off-topic. It > seems > > > to me the best rating > > > and standards systems come from within the > industry. > > > Let's take what I know > > > well: construction. Grading systems and QC > > > standards for everything from > > > 2x4s to concrete to wiring come from trade > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 14:24:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16JOmO03375 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:24:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:24:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200202061424.AA912195688@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro / Cycle Sport X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Brian Roach >we sell just about everything >at the same or less price. Who's we? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 14:29:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web9708.mail.yahoo.com (web9708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g16JTLO03466 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:29:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020206192919.93824.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.164.223.53] by web9708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:29:19 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:29:19 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Re: Re: For Sale: 1980 BMW R100T To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Correction: For Sale: 1980 R100T 24K miles in really wonderful condition......... Call Jon at his *real* phone number: 540-338-5120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 14:52:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16Jq4O03885 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:52:04 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVau2F5mWjR8k1op46e7qj6ju1DDAl6fRpQ/uGq/mLxgzCg0lsSss5GMGjHH+AfY3KE= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16YY6t-0005Uo-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:52:03 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: RE: More possible govt regulation (now completely moto free!) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:50:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020206192420.98466.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Great examples. They illustrate two things: regulating the un-regulatable and working around the regulation. (1) Not targetting minors: Already regulated as much as possible. No cigarette ads during kids shows, then no tv ads at all. No ads in children's magazines. No ads near schools. What else can you do? "Targeting minors" is such a squishy term. You can't really objectively define what advertising targets minors vice adults. Any regulation or law would either be too vague to enforce or ban advertising nearly completely...which is where tobacco is anyway. Side effect: loss of sponsorship dollars in motorcycle racing (moto content -- w00t!). (2) Not adding nicotine artificially: This would be beaten like the egg whites in a lemon meringue pie. Think CAFE (fuel efficiency standards). The auto industry created a new SUV class...light truck, vice automobile. No more station wagons, lots of SUVs, even sh*ttier gas mileage. Just like the marijuana folks, they'd just grow stronger stuff. Speaking of marijauna, there's a smokin' example of Laws the Work. But hey, you just employeed a gazillion more beaurocrats and lawyers. Thanks for the stimulation of the local economy! Mark, I've loved this conversation, but we need to get on alt.talk.politics.misc or something. I look forward to riding with you. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:24 PM > To: jmstrang@XXXXXX; dc-cycles list > Subject: RE: More possible govt regulation (now completely moto free!) > > > Not targeting minors, not adding nicotine > articficially..... > > > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > How did self regulation not work in tobacco? What > > regulations are needed? > > What government regulation (other than banning > > tobacco) are you expecting? > > > http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 15:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16K0aO04068 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w036 ([168.144.108.36]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:00:40 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Re: More possible govt regulation Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:00:56 -0500 To: "george.cole@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "roach@XXXXXX" , "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "pawilson@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2002 20:00:41.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4127140:01C1AF48] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g16K0bO04069 It means your electronics are crashworthy! %^) But yes, it will add cost. And the consumer should be left to decide whether he/she is willing to pay the additional cost for the benefit (real or perceived). The government shouldn't be dictating to all manufacturers and forcing consumers to buy. Original Message: ----------------- From: George Cole George.Cole@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:56:28 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: More possible govt regulation I have seen the CE label on all sorts of electronics also. Is that like the ISO-9000 stuff in the computer industry. Where basically you pay the ISO people for a certification? Anything like that will just add cost to the consumers. George Cole >>> "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" 02/06/02 09:43AM >>> Brian, I have CE armor in my suit and one of the reasons I have it is because it's CE-approved. I -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 15:06:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16K6dO04198 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w069 ([168.144.108.69]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:06:45 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: More possible govt regulation Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:06:58 -0500 To: "chris_vtr@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2002 20:06:45.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD479B20:01C1AF49] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g16K6eO04199 Chris, You need to learn to be more paranoid and distrustful of your government. It's healthy! %^) Chuck P.S. It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you. Original Message : clothing. I'm not that paranoid - there are many steps along the way where this can be averted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 15:14:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16KEJO04322 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w039 ([168.144.108.39]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:14:25 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: More possible govt regulation Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:14:27 -0500 To: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "pawilson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2002 20:14:25.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF49F010:01C1AF4A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g16KEKO04323 Kitchell, You are just a communist and un-American! %^) And there is a difference between whether an industry can police itself given its vested interest to make money vs. an industry creating a standard that becomes accepted. I think Paul's analogy is a good one. Which rating do you trust more -- DOT or Snell? Most people would say Snell. But the Snell standard isn't government mandated (nor recognized as a substitute for the DOT standard, even though it's generally accepted to be better). I have confidence in CE-approved armor not because it's an imposed government standard, but because the criteria are articulated and I can make a judgement about whether I think that results in a better product. And I have to make a decision about whether it's worth paying (potentially) more money for a CE-approved product vs. a generic armor. Chuck (let the free market sort it out) Original Message: ----------------- From: Mark Kitchell markkitchell@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:07:47 -0800 (PST) To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation Yes, but there are many examples of when Industry-regulation does not work. The frist comes to mind is the accounting industry (doing consulting and auditing work for the same client...Andersen/Enron). How about the tobacco industry....etc. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 15:14:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14005.mail.yahoo.com (web14005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g16KEwO04332 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:14:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020206201457.77062.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.24] by web14005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:14:57 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:14:57 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Meet the great Robert Higdon? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020206175035.67304.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > of MCN/IBRA fame . . . > Anyone up for another round of the Crystal City > Riders or similar > gathering in that same general vicinity? > Now here's a get together with a great reason for being. Bob is the only guy I know who hates riding but rides more miles than I do in a year. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 15:15:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13806.mail.yahoo.com (web13806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g16KFNO04401 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:15:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020206201523.8153.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:15:23 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:15:23 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: More possible govt regulation (now completely moto free!) To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dude, you are way too into this. Is there nothing else to do. You make my point for me. When the cig. companies were self-regulating, they did target minors. Now that they are under the legal (legislative or court) gun, targeting of minors is significantly less (yes, I agree its a fine line to prove that). If moto racing can't survive without taking money from tobacco firms, forgitaboutit..... mark (i am back on the list friends...it seems like we are still talking about the same things as when I took a break before Christmas...powerride, the guviment, etc) (-: --- Jon Strang wrote: > Great examples. They illustrate two things: > regulating the un-regulatable > and working around the regulation. > > (1) Not targetting minors: Already regulated as > much as possible. No > cigarette ads during kids shows, then no tv ads at > all. No ads in > children's magazines. No ads near schools. What > else can you do? > "Targeting minors" is such a squishy term. You > can't really objectively > define what advertising targets minors vice adults. > Any regulation or law > would either be too vague to enforce or ban > advertising nearly > completely...which is where tobacco is anyway. Side > effect: loss of > sponsorship dollars in motorcycle racing (moto > content -- w00t!). > > (2) Not adding nicotine artificially: This would be > beaten like the egg > whites in a lemon meringue pie. Think CAFE (fuel > efficiency standards). > The auto industry created a new SUV class...light > truck, vice automobile. > No more station wagons, lots of SUVs, even sh*ttier > gas mileage. Just like > the marijuana folks, they'd just grow stronger > stuff. Speaking of > marijauna, there's a smokin' example of Laws the > Work. > > But hey, you just employeed a gazillion more > beaurocrats and lawyers. > Thanks for the stimulation of the local economy! > > Mark, I've loved this conversation, but we need to > get on > alt.talk.politics.misc or something. > > I look forward to riding with you. > > --jon > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Kitchell > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:24 PM > > To: jmstrang@XXXXXX; dc-cycles list > > Subject: RE: More possible govt regulation (now > completely moto free!) > > > > > > Not targeting minors, not adding nicotine > > articficially..... > > > > > > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > > How did self regulation not work in tobacco? > What > > > regulations are needed? > > > What government regulation (other than banning > > > tobacco) are you expecting? > > > > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 15:18:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16KIpO04425 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w028 ([168.144.108.28]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:18:55 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: More possible govt regulation (now completely moto free!) Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:19:11 -0500 To: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "jmstrang@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2002 20:18:55.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[80843300:01C1AF4B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g16KIqO04426 Mark, You need to chill and take a cigarette break! Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Mark Kitchell markkitchell@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:24:20 -0800 (PST) To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: More possible govt regulation (now completely moto free!) Not targeting minors, not adding nicotine articficially..... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 15:19:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14007.mail.yahoo.com (web14007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g16KJqO04443 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:19:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020206201951.2904.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.24] by web14007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:19:51 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:19:51 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: MSF info for DC peps To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maryland MSF begins taking applications on the 19th of February. Go to the MVA in Glen Burnie and sign up in person, if you get there early enough in the morning, you should get a decent date for a Maryland MSF course. I think Prince Georges Community College handles their own registration. In Virginia the Community Colleges also do independent registration, so it might be possible to get an earlier date at one site than at another. Alexandria and Loudoun campuses of Northern Virginia Community College and the Locust Grove campus of Germanna Community college hold courses. Leon. --- Pierre C wrote: > DC isn't the friendliest place for motorcyclists. > Even MSF of DC doesn't > have a clue about insurance and other stuff for DC > residents (the people > there told me they were from VA, and didn't know > stuff about DC!... I mean, > my apologies if any of the DC MSF people is reading > this). > > I have looked at taking an MSF course, but couldn't > find a spot before like > July!? anyone here knows where i can be more > successful? > > Thanks , > pierfrancesco > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 15:22:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16KMZO04530 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w025.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.25]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:22:39 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Re: More possible govt regulation Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:22:33 -0500 To: "roach@XXXXXX" , "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "pawilson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2002 20:22:39.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[06377E80:01C1AF4C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g16KMaO04531 Creating standards and specs is very different from regulation. The former is not a mandate or requiring enforcement (and subsequent punishment) by the government. Just helps schleps like you and me make a better and more informed decision. The latter is the government telling me what I can and can't do in what should be my personal choice. That said, we are basically in agreement. Original Message: ----------------- From: Brian Roach roach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:19:14 -0500 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: More possible govt regulation On Wednesday 06 February 2002 09:43, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Brian, > > I have CE armor in my suit and one of the reasons I have it is because it's > CE-approved. I don't doubt that it's "better" But do we really want to > government regulating riding apparel? Regulating as in setting standards and requiring the equipment to pass certain tests to recieve a label (like CE)? Yes. I buy CE rated gear for this reason - I know what I'm buying. No manufacturer in the US has done this on their own, and it's not exactly a new idea (Snell certification on helmets has been around for a long time). However, it appears the CE testing/rating is making progress toward becoming the international standard... maybe Vanson and other companies will just go that way. Of all things that SHOULD be regulated (in regard to meeting a certain standard), saftey equipment seems like a no-brainer to me. Regulating as in you must wear specific gear? No. - Roach -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 15:25:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13806.mail.yahoo.com (web13806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g16KPKO04557 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:25:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020206202520.10370.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:25:20 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:25:20 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: RE: More possible govt regulation (now completely moto free!) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "jmstrang@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ah.....that feels MUCH better. Its hard being a commie, you know! --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Mark, > > You need to chill and take a cigarette break! > > Chuck > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Mark Kitchell markkitchell@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:24:20 -0800 (PST) > To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: More possible govt regulation (now > completely moto free!) > > > Not targeting minors, not adding nicotine > articficially..... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 15:29:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16KTkO04688 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w066 ([168.144.108.66]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:29:52 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: More possible govt regulation (now completely moto free!) Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:29:47 -0500 To: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "jmstrang@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2002 20:29:52.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[0847F280:01C1AF4D] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g16KTlO04689 But dude ... why should the tobacco companies be banned from sponsoring motorsports? They pay their money just like any other sponsor but can't have their logos on cars and m/c's at "regulated" venues? Gimme a f--king break. I thought it was ridiculous to watch the Penske cars finish 1-2 at the Indy 500 sans their Marlboro logos. Like seeing a race car with a Marlboro logo is going to make anybody take up smoking or rush out to buy a pack of cigs? Ditto watching GP, WSB, MotoGP, etc. guys have to black/white out their sponsor logos at certain tracks. Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And which industry will be the next "hated industry" that the nanny state will ban? And who gets to make that decision? And by what criteria? I think we ought to ban peroxide because we don't need any more dumb blondes than we already have! %^) Original Message : ----------------- From: Mark Kitchell markkitchell@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:15:23 -0800 (PST) To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: More possible govt regulation (now completely moto free!) If moto racing can't survive without taking money from tobacco firms, forgitaboutit..... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 15:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16KWNO04757 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-112-197.s197.apx3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.112.197] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16YYjt-0007e4-00; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:32:22 -0500 Message-ID: <046b01c1af4e$1cc88de0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:34:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" > Do we really think that the federal government has the capability to develop > a standard for apparel that works? Are we talking about the same federal > government? > ... > > The insurance and medical industries have repeatedly foisted the _Social > Burden of the Motorcyclist_ concept on the public; it has become axiomatic > in those communities that motorcyclists consume a disproportionate amount of > health care. If you are blind to where this is leading, I can't help you. > > If you think this is paranoid...there are already employer-provided medical > insurance plans that don't cover motorcyclists. One small clarification. The Clinton Dept. of HHS promulgated a rule that said that while employer-sponsored plans had to _cover_ people who ride motorcycles (and engage other "dangerous" activities like horseback riding, rock climbing and what have you), they just don't have to pay a _claim_ for injuries sustained whilst participating in said activities. Utterly bizarre. This in direct contradiction of Congress's intent in passing the legislation. Despite intense lobbying, the Bush Administration let the rule go into effect. Now AMA, etc., must either go to court or persuade Congress to enact a tighter law. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 15:57:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from node1.fcps.k12.va.us (node1.fcps.k12.va.us [151.188.3.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16KvlO05161 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:57:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from there (falcon.fcps.edu [151.188.2.105]) by node1.fcps.k12.va.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09133 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:57:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202062057.PAA09133@node1.fcps.k12.va.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tom de Reply-To: tdeboeser@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Intro and Tires... Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 05:57:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I'm new to the list and I of course have a question. First an intro, I own a stock Red '98 Honda SuperHawk and I've been riding for a total of 7 years. I ride moderate to aggressive although I've never dragged a nee. And I live in Stafford Va. The question: I'm in need of new tires, and of course I've found better prices online/mail-order. I don't have the tools or equipment yet to do my own tire change or even remove the wheels. I know this is a stretch, but is there a dealer or MC shop that will install tires not purchased from them? I've been looking at Bridgestone 020 or 010, Avon II V35/36, Dunlop 207, and Metzeler Sportec M1. Opinions welcome. Thanks, Tom De Boeser '98 SuperHawk From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 15:58:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16KwPO05166 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-104-141.s649.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.104.141] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16YZ92-0002wF-00; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:58:20 -0500 Message-ID: <049f01c1af51$bbdcb520$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: Subject: Snell v. DOT, was Re: Re: More possible govt regulation Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:02:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kitchell, You are just a communist and un-American! %^) And there is a difference between whether an industry can police itself given its vested interest to make money vs. an industry creating a standard that becomes accepted. I think Paul's analogy is a good one. Which rating do you trust more -- DOT or Snell? Most people would say Snell. But the Snell standard isn't government mandated (nor recognized as a substitute for the DOT standard, even though it's generally accepted to be better). ------------------------------------------- Actually, this is a point of some debate and was a item of discussion with one of the local MSF nabobs. His contention was that Snell was not necessarily better for *street* riders, given that the average impact speed of a street MC crash, accordingly to good ole' Hurt Report, was in the neighborhood of 30-35 mph, IIRC. He says Snell has a higher standard for the deformation of the inner shell foam than DOT, therefore at a lower speed the helmet stays rigid and doesn't cushion the impact as well as a "softer" helmet meeting only DOT. His position was well argued to a point, but it doesn't wash with me. I do plenty of riding above 35 mph and I'm not planning on limiting myself to Hurt's *average* crash scenario. I'm wearing a Snell helmet. That argument aside, Chuck's point about Snell is a good one. It's the Snell *Memorial* Foundation after all. Why? Because an auto racer named Snell got himself killed in a crash due to a POS helmet that failed and some concerned people decided something must be done. This is the case of a private group taking the initiative and producing a standard based on scientific testing principles. Their standard is practically universal on full-face helmets sold in the USA (except the flip-up ones.) Snell can be found at www.smf.org Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 16:06:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16L6iO05327 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.a9.22808756 (16634) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:06:18 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:06:17 EST Subject: Re: More possible govt regulation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/6/2002 10:11:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > . I > understand that some of you may see this as the thin > end of the wedge, so to speak. I.e. the beginning of > legislation that will result in mandated motorcycle > clothing. I'm not that paranoid - there are many steps > along the way where this can be averted. > I remember the first helmet laws. One of the things I said in reaction to it was "Just let them try to pass a seatbelt law and see what happens." I truly expected people to raise hell if it ever happened. It did, they did not. As I see it the problem is that there are bureaucrats* out there who are being very well paid to find problems, and by god they are going to find problems. And there are bureaucrats out there who are equally well paid to propose solutions to those "problems" and by god they are to propose solutions for them, real or imagined. It is not paranoia if they really are out to get you. *Not aimed at any individuals who have the good sense to ride, and belong to this list. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 16:09:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nessie.crosslink.net (mail@XXXXXX [206.246.124.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16L9AO05361 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailserver1.crosslink.net (yeti.crosslink.net [206.246.124.17]) by nessie.crosslink.net (8.12.1/) with ESMTP id g16L9A8O010801; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:09:10 -0500 X-Really-To: Received: from [128.38.92.17] (account ) by mailserver1.crosslink.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 65026028; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:09:10 -0500 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: Intro and Tires... To: tdeboeser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:09:10 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202062057.PAA09133@node1.fcps.k12.va.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Welcome to the list. FMS will mount and balance for $30, off the bike. The Motorcycle Factory will get very close to mail order prices and charge $24 per tire. Andrew On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 05:57:43 -0500 Tom de wrote: > Hi, > I'm new to the list and I of course have a question. First an > intro, I own From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 16:14:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16LENO05439 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GR400301QYTGU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:13:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GR40030WQYTG0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:13:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GR400A01QYSDD@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:13:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GR400A0HQYC6Q@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:13:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:13:09 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Meet the great Robert Higdon? To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C619C65.C388D8A5@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020206201457.77062.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > > --- matthew patton wrote: > > of MCN/IBRA fame > . . . > > Anyone up for another round of the Crystal City > > Riders or similar > > gathering in that same general vicinity? > > > > Now here's a get together with a great reason for > being. Bob is the only guy I know who hates riding > but rides more miles than I do in a year. Yeah, Bob's terminal grumpiness is quite amusing in person. Count me in! :) Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 16:47:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11103.mail.yahoo.com (web11103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g16LlUO06057 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:47:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020206214729.88489.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:47:29 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:47:29 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: RE: More possible govt regulation (now completely moto free!) To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh c'mon Chuck! Why do you think they pay all that money to put their names on the cars in the first place?! It ain't for love of the sport, man! It's called advertising and if it didn't make people go out and buy things, Madison avenue wouldn't exist! :^P Chris --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Like seeing a race car > with a Marlboro logo is going to make anybody take > up smoking or rush out to buy a pack of cigs? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 16:57:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16LvlO06239 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:57:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w049 ([168.144.108.49]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:57:51 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: RE: More possible govt regulation (now completely moto free!) Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:57:45 -0500 To: "chris_vtr@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2002 21:57:52.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[52D93000:01C1AF59] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g16LvmO06240 And which products have you gone out and bought recently as a result of seeing some big name sponsor on motorcycle fairings or on a car??? I know seeing Jeff Gordon's car makes me want to run out and buy something, anything made by Dupont! %^) Yes, there are suckers born every minute. So what? It's a free country. Let 'em buy what they want to buy. Even if it means cigs and they end up shortening their lives or killing themselves. What the hell do I care? As long as they don't sue and hold someone else responsible for their decision (which is the real problem). You need to join Kitchell and take a cigarette break! %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: Chris Weaver chris_vtr@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:47:29 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: More possible govt regulation (now completely moto free!) Oh c'mon Chuck! Why do you think they pay all that money to put their names on the cars in the first place?! It ain't for love of the sport, man! It's called advertising and if it didn't make people go out and buy things, Madison avenue wouldn't exist! :^P Chris --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Like seeing a race car > with a Marlboro logo is going to make anybody take > up smoking or rush out to buy a pack of cigs? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 18:16:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16NGjO07400 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-136-112.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.136.112] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YbIx-0003YW-00; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:16:43 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020206181701.00b22230@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:17:42 -0500 To: Chris Weaver , List-dc cycles From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro In-Reply-To: <20020206163935.33849.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3C615665.D8405BFD@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:39 AM 2/6/2002, Chris Weaver wrote: >Are we sure that this is the same company that owns >PoserRide? I didn't see any reference to it on their >site. ...and they also infer that they're in the Central Time Zone, so I doubt that they're the same PowerSchmucks. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 18:23:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g16NNrO07499 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-136-112.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.136.112] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YbPr-00063Q-00; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:23:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020206182242.00b22230@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:24:50 -0500 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Meet the great Robert Higdon? In-Reply-To: <20020206175035.67304.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sure, on a half-decent day, maybe? We can probably dredge up our core four or five from Crystal Park 3. At least two of us still ride in every day (well, at least every dry day). -- Larry At 12:50 PM 2/6/2002, matthew patton wrote: >of MCN/IBRA fame who did a stint at MMI and wrote an absolutely >hilarious account of his travails in becoming a mech after being a >lawyer for many years. He lives in DC and I floated him an idea of >meeting with dc-cycles folk much like we got together for the Crystal >City Riders at Shirlington. > >Anyone up for another round of the Crystal City Riders or similar >gathering in that same general vicinity? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 19:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1705AO08314 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-65.patriot.net [209.249.181.65]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g17052e23314; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:05:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3C61C448.F5A6CD15@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:03:20 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Snell v. DOT, was Re: Re: More possible govt regulation References: <049f01c1af51$bbdcb520$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > Actually, this is a point of some debate and was a item of discussion with > one of the local MSF nabobs. His contention was that Snell was not > necessarily better for *street* riders, given that the average impact speed > of a street MC crash, accordingly to good ole' Hurt Report, was in the > neighborhood of 30-35 mph, IIRC. He says Snell has a higher standard for > the deformation of the inner shell foam than DOT, therefore at a lower speed > the helmet stays rigid and doesn't cushion the impact as well as a "softer" > helmet meeting only DOT. Huh? Was this impact speed discussion fueled by alcohol? Last time I checked, a DOT helmet was designed (?) to absorb a direct hit at 14 point sumpin MPH without binking the brain, and a Snell helmet could do 17 point sumpin MPH without a brain bink. Hardly worth choosing one over the other if you plan to splat at 35. But I wear a Snell, and I've done a header over a geezer-mobile (classic left turn in front of M/C crunch) and me head was the first thang that touched down - maybe 25/35 MPH. One trashed helmet, shell included, and no damage to my brain, altough some may question that :-) The main feature of a Snell RE car racing is to withstand repeated impacts - car rolls flips and your nogging is hammering the roll bar or some such solid object. Us boat racers went thru this topic many times, the naysayers wishing to remove the Snell rating requirement in lieu of cheaper helmets. It didn't fly. Like you'll spend a few thou having Mr Speed Secret warm up your *stock* engine but won't spend $300 on a helmet? Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 19:20:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14007.mail.yahoo.com (web14007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g170KXO08556 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:20:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020207002032.65148.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.188.7.21] by web14007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:20:32 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:20:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom De Subject: RE: Intro and Tires... To: Jason Picton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE96046FCDB8@wash58.acs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jason Picton wrote: > Tom, > > I can't help with any local dealer as far as > mounting goes, but I buy my > tires through Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse on the > web - Great prices and > they show up quick. I either take them to a local > dealer or to a friend in > Annapolis, Maryland who has the tools (and/or time > to help). That reminds me, what kinda shipping charges should I expect? > > I own also own a Honda Superhawk (along with a Hawk > GT) and have been Cool! I havn't seen too many Superhawks in the area, I knew they aren't very popular, but geez... > a turn faster with the SH (I love the SH, but it is > a slow turning bike to > begin with - Longer Wheel base and the tuned flex > etc...). The 205's are Well, compared to my '87 VFR the SH feels likes it turns too quick. > > Hope this helps. It will, thanks for the great insight on the tires. > > Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom de [mailto:tdeboeser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 5:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Intro and Tires... > > Hi, > I'm new to the list and I of course have a > question. First an intro, I > own > a stock Red '98 Honda SuperHawk and I've been riding > for a total of 7 years. > > I ride moderate to aggressive although I've never > dragged a nee. And I live > > in Stafford Va. > The question: I'm in need of new tires, and of > course I've found better > prices online/mail-order. I don't have the tools or > equipment yet to do my > own tire change or even remove the wheels. > I know this is a stretch, but is there a dealer or > MC shop that will > install tires not purchased from them? > > I've been looking at Bridgestone 020 or 010, Avon > II V35/36, Dunlop 207, > and Metzeler Sportec M1. Opinions welcome. > > Thanks, > > Tom De Boeser > '98 SuperHawk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 19:24:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14008.mail.yahoo.com (web14008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.124]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g170OIO08567 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:24:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020207002418.39142.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.188.7.21] by web14008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:24:18 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:24:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom De Subject: Re: Intro and Tires... To: Andrew Culpepper , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Andrew Culpepper wrote: > Welcome to the list. > > FMS will mount and balance for $30, off the bike. > > The Motorcycle Factory will get very close to mail > order prices and > charge $24 per tire. I stopped in to MCF the other day, I asked about tires and prices. But was only given a price for a 207 rear, with %20 off the $190 retail. I have to admit I couldn't stay very long and ask more questions... > > Andrew > > > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 05:57:43 -0500 > Tom de wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm new to the list and I of course have a > question. First an > > intro, I own __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 20:13:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g171D7O09347 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXPxK/ec5LQUUqcUTCTL7PZaEEeYZrY4BlQ=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GSZRENTN; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:12:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:09:26 -0500 Subject: Coleman's is owned by the Coleman Family Again Message-ID: <20020206.200926.-410969.1.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3,5,7,9 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Yes, Coleman's (most recently Powerride) has been taken over by the Coleman family once again. Both locations. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com) *Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 mike.watt@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 20:19:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlantech.net (staq1.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g171JAO09447 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [64.50.161.254] (account ) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.4.8) with HTTP id 14861812 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:19:04 -0500 From: "Stephen Dobson" Subject: Re: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:19:04 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202070000.g17007K08139@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit PowerSportsPro, and power(evil)ride / Co(slime)man Bros. are NOT the same company. PowerSportsPro's (in Nebraska) parts prices for OEM Honda, and Yamaha parts are terrific. Their customer service is great, and they've always delivered what I wanted. I had two problems with them, and here's how they resolved them: 1. They didn't put a part in the box that they identified they HAD put in the box. They took my word for it, and shipped me another one. End of story! 2. On a different order, they shipped me two of a replacement part (Honda substitution from the original). They only billed me for one, and offered to let me keep the duplicate. I was so happy with them, I said "forget it, give me a return shipping slip, and I'll send it back." I would rather they keep their prices low by having good customers than have them give away their stock from a mistake, besides, I didn't need the other brake shoes. Their shipping prices just went up, but I'll still order from them again. Parts usually show up in about seven days. Around here, that's a bloody miracle! When I lived in Toronto, Canada, I could get most Honda parts that didn't have to come from Japan next-day. Stuff that had to come from Japan took "seven to ten days" but I swear I NEVER waited more than a week for parts to appear. Honda USA plays by a whole different set of rules. Anyway, I love being able to look up all my parts on the parts-fish, and I love that the OEM prices are consistently better than any of the shops in the area even after shipping is included. I don't own stock in them, I just think they're Grrreat. And if it means I never have to see the inside of PowerRide again, I'll die a very happy man! Stephen > Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:17:42 -0500 > To: Chris Weaver , > List-dc cycles > From: Larry Larson > Subject: Re: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro > > At 11:39 AM 2/6/2002, Chris Weaver wrote: > >Are we sure that this is the same company that owns > >PoserRide? I didn't see any reference to it on their > >site. > > ...and they also infer that they're in the Central Time > Zone, so I doubt > that they're the same PowerSchmucks. > > -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 21:56:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web9606.mail.yahoo.com (web9606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g172uHO10886 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:56:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020207025616.32296.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [134.173.160.203] by web9606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:56:16 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:56:16 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020206181701.00b22230@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Larry Larson wrote: > At 11:39 AM 2/6/2002, Chris Weaver wrote: > >Are we sure that this is the same company that owns > >PoserRide? I didn't see any reference to it on > their > >site. > > ...and they also infer that they're in the Central > Time Zone, so I doubt > that they're the same PowerSchmucks. > > -- Larry > Actually, Powerride has or at least had locations in several states east of the Mississippi. I'm not sure what's happening to that company, although I know the (ex?)owner of all seven locations lives in the Bethesda/Potomac area. I'd be curious to know if the sales staff has been revamped as well. I worked there for a summer in bike set-up and I saw a lot of "interesting" things. Adam Reinhardt "old" CBR > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 22:05:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1735eO11125 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:05:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-67.patriot.net [209.249.181.67]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1735be30661; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:05:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3C61EE98.26EF29F7@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 22:03:53 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Meet the great Robert Higdon? References: <20020206175035.67304.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm up for it. Long as it's a decent day. I can bring the Hawg and show y`all what *quality* chrome looks like after exposure to the air. Bill Ol' Rusty `93 FLHS matthew patton wrote: > of MCN/IBRA fame who did a stint at MMI and wrote an absolutely > hilarious account of his travails in becoming a mech after being a > lawyer for many years. He lives in DC and I floated him an idea of > meeting with dc-cycles folk much like we got together for the Crystal > City Riders at Shirlington. > > Anyone up for another round of the Crystal City Riders or similar > gathering in that same general vicinity? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 22:06:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-1.cais.net (stmpy-1.cais.net [205.252.14.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1736jO11145 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (6.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.6]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g1736hv59444 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:06:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002701c1af83$fdc97720$0638e2cf@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Help on paper work in DC (a detailed story) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:03:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 This is a belated comment/war story on the subject bike sale of a couple of days ago. Risking being hohummed off the list, this might be of interest to those doing Va-DC transactions -- some points here not addressed elsewhere. In September I purchased a private-owner motorcycle from a policeman in the South Hill area (south of Richmond). It was a solo round-trip, bus down and bike back to DC. Would I have had to title in DC prior to driving the bike chances are the deal would not have been done. A Va "Trip Permit" solved the problem as revealed by phone calls to Va and DC DMVs. Here's how the the deal went down: o Pre-trip we arranged to meet in the proximity of a VaDMV and a Notary. It so happened that both were located within 100 yards of the South Hill bus station -- he knew the territory, and I made calls there (and a bunch of others also for due diligence). o I had blanks of standard auto BillofSale and an Odometer Disclosure Statement (from Internet) and also had copies of each roughed out so it was just a matter of filling in the right blanks from instant information (titlle, drivlic, etc.) o He trailered the bike there from his home closeby (probably could have ridden and taxied back). After extensive checkout in a small lot and mydrive of the minuscile mileage bike, we completed the BoS, ODS, and title (mileage also required) and walked to the notary (a legal office). A secretary (she knew him) notarized the BoS and ODS on our id. (There was a note regarding an initial lien on the title but he said it had been paid off and there was no later comment from either DMV. I took a chance. He was a lawman.) o We walked to the VaDMV to get a 3-day Trip Permit (cost $5?) which enabled me to operate on the BoS+insurance. There was some hassle about my DC license number not being my SS no., but the clerk was savvy enough to issue some kind of temp no. No ins ppwk required, but oral "insured" statement necessary. o After leaving the VaDMV, I pasted the trip permit over his plate for convenience (he could have kept the plate, leaving me to craft a support surface for the permit, but he graciously said I could mail the plate back). o I used his cellphone to call in the VIN for my prearranged insurance. o I paid him the money as we'd arranged earlier: All paperwork to be completed so I could make the trip up 95 that afternoon with all legal ends tied. Whole process there from off the bus to on the bike a couple of hours. o Nifty trip up 95 on a lovely day. o DC paperwork the next day: It went like several on the list have said. Temp tag, inspection, final tag. On a cell call I had insurance verification faxed to DCDMV while I waited in chair -- [best to have this done asap upon starting the DMV process]. DCDMV process midweek mid-am -- 2hrs. Notes -- No bank involved above. DC did not have its own trip permit for this purpose. Basically I was legal for 3 days after purchase of the Va bike. For a DC bike going to Va. or Md? I'd say the buyer is going to have to make a destination-DMV visit post-sale and prior-ride which can probably be worked out. The southern Alexandria DMV isn't far from Metro. Sellers: Seconding someone: *Make sure your bike plate stays with you* or make arrangements like I did. A comment or two were seen about paperwork and money but no plate note. I made many phone calls to DMV's. I recommend the same for future cross-border xtns. The rules were changing as the deal went down. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> You handle paperwork, boss. You know -- I go. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 22:08:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01e.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.235]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1738lO11155 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22232 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 03:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.200.1?) ([170.215.128.15]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Feb 2002 03:08:37 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 22:08:37 -0500 Subject: Great experience/Cruiserworks boots From: Bob McKeithen To: MGCL , DC Cycles , Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Last Spring I bought a pair of Cruiserworks boots. They have been comfortable and waterproof as advertised. In the past few weeks I noticed that the previously grippy soles had gotten very slippery when backing the bike out of the garage. I wrote Cruiserworks about the problem. They were puzzled,but suggested I send them in. I did so and they had them resoled at no charge. We never have figured out why, but the soles had gotten very hard, making them slippery. It is a real pleasure dealing with a company which stands behind its product. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 6 22:47:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20106.mail.yahoo.com (web20106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g173lBO11758 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:47:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020207034710.85125.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:47:10 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:47:10 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: PowerRide / Coleman / PowerSportsPro To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > parts prices for OEM Honda, and Yamaha parts are terrific. You guys aren't looking very hard if that's the case. I can't speak to Yam prices but Shenandoah HOnda in Winchester, VA (stright up Rt.7) handily beats EVERYBODY (mail order included) on Honda parts. Do some amount of business with them and simply ask for their 15% discount. The MSRP of their parts is significantly lower than all the dealers I've ever looked at (incl. those those out of state who pride themselves on giving a good deal) AND the 15% discount just blows everybody out of the water, AND their response time is quite excellent. For Kaw/Yam/Suz parts I would at least look at Valley Cycle (also Winchester) but I epect to get decent prices from the local race shops like Cycle Accessory Discounters (Gaithersburg, MD) or Brian's Speed-werks in Dover, DE. Catch FastLane Cycles at the right time and on the right thing and you can save some money too. Helps to be a MARRC member etc. The only source I haven't sorted out yet is Triumph. Cycle Sport is really slow about parts and expensive to boot. Clinton Cycles might be better but I'd like to give Millerbuilt in Lynchburg my business. But to some extent it boils down to how pressing it is to save a few bucks here and there. MOst of what I buy is off of ebay and MAW and Dennis Kirk anyways. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 00:37:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f56.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g175bZO13428 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 00:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:37:29 -0800 Received: from 64.24.90.220 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 05:37:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.24.90.220] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Jewels in the street: Theft? Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 05:37:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2002 05:37:29.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[887EC130:01C1AF99] I just got my VFR today. It's not a motorcycle, it's a true jewel. Beautiful and obvious, red, stunning. I mean, i apologyze to everyone here, but i can't think of anything more beautiful than a beautifully maintained 98 VFR. They should coniate the adjective 'red VFR'. Never seen that red... well, come to think about it, it's like the red that ferrari uses. I can't believe that so many people in the world live without knowing how beautiful it is to have ride a VFR. I got it tonight. The gentleman who sold it to me was so wonderful to bring it to my home in NW DC. I got it at 7PM, and i rode it in the night till 11PM. And i can't believe i am not riding it right now. Bla bla bla, i am sorry, so many of you guys have completely different cycles. and you all love your cycles, don't you? and you think it's the best, just like me. i thought the VFR is such a friendly machine. The only problem i have is a pain in the neck, and I wonder how these reviews i have been reading say that riders can drive them all day long. So, i guess i just need to get used to it. Just as well as i need to get used to the stiffness of the clutch. Sometimes, i can hear the plates cranking. I never rode anything like this. I am just owed. The question is: Anyone in this list can tell me how likely i am that someone is going to take away this beautiful motorcycle? i am from italy, and there i know where to park, where not to, and so on. I can smell it. But here, i know nothing. I don't know if VFRs are stolen a lot, if they steal the parts. Anyone wants to share their experience with this problem with me? i would love some comments, suggestions. Thank you, and, for those who actually did read this far, my apologies if i praised so long this motorcycle. Pierfrancesco _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 06:31:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20002.mail.yahoo.com (web20002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g17BUxO18919 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 06:31:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020207113058.99293.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.200.32.33] by web20002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 03:30:58 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 03:30:58 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Marhefsky Subject: Dealer Question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Three dealers have the bike I want. Pete's Cycle (Baltimore), Clinton Cycle and Winchester Motorsports. Any experience/opinions with any of these? I'm leaning toward Winchester Motorsports as they seemed most interested in my business. Thank you! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 06:37:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17BbtO19004 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 06:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([68.48.192.112]) by femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020207113749.SQJU6930.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 03:37:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3C626530.BFA67B64@home.com> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 06:29:52 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William J. Huson" CC: Paul Wilson , cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Snell v. DOT, was Re: Re: More possible govt regulation References: <049f01c1af51$bbdcb520$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3C61C448.F5A6CD15@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Last time I checked, > a DOT helmet was designed (?) to absorb a direct hit at 14 point sumpin MPH > without binking the brain, and a Snell helmet could do 17 point sumpin MPH > without a brain bink. Hardly worth choosing one over the other if you plan to > splat at 35. But I wear a Snell, and I've done a header over a geezer-mobile > (classic left turn in front of M/C crunch) and me head was the first thang that > touched down - maybe 25/35 MPH. Keep in mind the angles involved. If you fall sideways off your bike (the classic Laugh-In kinda dropsie) I think they calculated your melon to be doing about 14-17 mph or so towards the ground, so that's where the low number comes from. If you fall onto a 35 mph belt sander (or road, same difference), you'll head still hits at around 14-17 mph. It just hits and slides... Now if you hit a flat wall at 35, then you hit at 35, and it's gonna hurt a lot. But I'd still wear the helmet in this case, too. Prayer might help, as well. :) Crashing sucks, it's definitely not recommended.... Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT Rider #322 - Completed. All 99 done! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 07:05:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13001.mail.yahoo.com (web13001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g17C5SO19422 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:05:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020207120527.66618.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.122.12] by web13001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 04:05:27 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 04:05:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Great experience/Cruiserworks boots To: Bob McKeithen , DC Cycles , customerservice@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bob McKeithen wrote: > Last Spring I bought a pair of Cruiserworks boots. They have been > comfortable and waterproof as advertised. In the past few weeks I noticed > that the previously grippy soles had gotten very slippery when backing the > bike out of the garage. I wrote Cruiserworks about the problem. They were > puzzled,but suggested I send them in. I did so and they had them resoled at > no charge. We never have figured out why, but the soles had gotten very > hard, making them slippery. > > It is a real pleasure dealing with a company which stands behind its > product. > > Bob McKeithen Cruiserworks had a set up at the Philly International Motorcycle show a few weeks back. Since I have been looking for a set of waterproof boots I figured this would be the best chance to try them on and see how they work out. The salesman who helped me out was extremely patient and helpful. However, it appears that my feet are not quite the same size. They work fine in hiking boots and bowling shoes, but on the Cruiserworks boots, the left foot was happy in one size, the right in another. Rather than trying to sell me boots that would not have fit properly, the salesman honestly told me I would be better off getting a different kind of boot for my feet. I appreciated the honesty. Meanwhile, I'm looking for boots with "side entry" to accomodate my oddball feet. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 07:58:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17CwuO20113 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs724762 ([63.220.27.130]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay6 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GR5YPX00.3V7 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:58:45 -0500 Message-ID: <007301c1afd7$2d4e7330$1700a8c0@cs724762> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles List" References: <20020207113058.99293.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Dealer Question Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:58:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 While I haven't purchased a bike from them, I'm always treated nice, and go there for inspections, supplies, etc. all the time. Very happy with them. Gary F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Marhefsky" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 6:30 AM Subject: Dealer Question > Three dealers have the bike I want. Pete's Cycle > (Baltimore), Clinton Cycle and Winchester Motorsports. > Any experience/opinions with any of these? I'm > leaning toward Winchester Motorsports as they seemed > most interested in my business. Thank you! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 08:21:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu05.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu05.email.msn.com [207.46.181.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17DLYO20464 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:21:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer ([67.201.73.216]) by cpimssmtpu05.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Thu, 7 Feb 2002 05:20:19 -0800 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" , "Brian Marhefsky" Subject: RE: Dealer Question Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:22:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020207113058.99293.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2002 13:20:19.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[30B7FCA0:01C1AFDA] Ive shopped and had my triumph serviced at clinton cycles. They were pretty nice to me. The nicest shop i have been to. They make it a point to remember your name too. I have serviced my triumph tiger there, and they did a great job. They have a great service area, in which you can just check out what they do to your machine or others through a huge glass window, similar to what they have in Medical Operating rooms. The mechanics even take time out to chat with you abou the bike. There was a huge line of bikes awaiting to be fixed one day, and i wanted they to change a tire and adjust my carbs, they just did it as fast as i could ask. Highly recommend them Ricardo http://www.pileofgarbage.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Marhefsky [mailto:bmarhefsky@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 6:31 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dealer Question Three dealers have the bike I want. Pete's Cycle (Baltimore), Clinton Cycle and Winchester Motorsports. Any experience/opinions with any of these? I'm leaning toward Winchester Motorsports as they seemed most interested in my business. Thank you! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 08:31:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web9606.mail.yahoo.com (web9606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g17DVQO20617 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:31:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020207133125.27712.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 05:31:25 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 05:31:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: Jewels in the street: Theft? To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Red is a nice color, isn't it? :-) I'm sure others will have more experience & advice regarding safety, but it seems like no matter what you do, if someone REALLY wants your bike, they'll find a way to steal it. Garage it at night, if possible, and don't leave it parked in one place too long. Disk locks, NY chains, etc. *might* help, but like I said, if they REALLY want it...you know the drill. I had a friend unfortunately get his bike stolen twice in NW DC and it was inside a gate in his YARD. :-( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Pierre C wrote: > I just got my VFR today. It's not a motorcycle, it's > a true jewel. > Beautiful and obvious, red, stunning. I mean, i > apologyze to everyone here, > but i can't think of anything more beautiful than a > beautifully maintained > 98 VFR. Anyone in this > list can tell me how likely i am that someone is > going to take away this > beautiful motorcycle? i am from italy, and there i > know where to park, where > not to, and so on. I can smell it. But here, i know > nothing. I don't know > if VFRs are stolen a lot, if they steal the parts. > Anyone wants to share > their experience with this problem with me? i would > love some comments, > suggestions.> Pierfrancesco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 08:38:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11101.mail.yahoo.com (web11101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g17DcmO20706 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:38:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020207133847.32619.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 05:38:47 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 05:38:47 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Intro and Tires... To: tdeboeser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200202062057.PAA09133@node1.fcps.k12.va.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom, Welcome! I recommend you try Crossroads Cycle in Bailey's Crossroads in Alexandria if you don't mind the trip. They seem to have the best rates on tire changes, albeit not by much. I think most shops will mount the tires for you - they just charge a higher price if you didn't buy the tires from them. This is presumably in order to mitigate the loss of tire sales that online purchases have caused them and to encourage people to buy the tires there. I also have a '98 Superhawk and my bike's at Loudoun Motorsports right now getting new Bridgestone BT010s put on (among other things). Get back to me in a week or so and I can give you my impressions of them on the VTR. Chris Weaver --- Tom de wrote: > Hi, > I'm new to the list and I of course have a > question. First an intro, I own > a stock Red '98 Honda SuperHawk and I've been riding > for a total of 7 years. > I ride moderate to aggressive although I've never > dragged a nee. And I live > in Stafford Va. > The question: I'm in need of new tires, and of > course I've found better > prices online/mail-order. I don't have the tools or > equipment yet to do my > own tire change or even remove the wheels. > I know this is a stretch, but is there a dealer or > MC shop that will > install tires not purchased from them? > > I've been looking at Bridgestone 020 or 010, Avon > II V35/36, Dunlop 207, > and Metzeler Sportec M1. Opinions welcome. > > Thanks, > > Tom De Boeser > '98 SuperHawk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 08:47:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com [207.46.181.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17DlOO20857 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:47:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer ([67.201.73.216]) by cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Thu, 7 Feb 2002 05:46:09 -0800 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" , "Brian Marhefsky" Subject: RE: Dealer Question Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:48:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020207132756.75467.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2002 13:46:10.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCD2BA00:01C1AFDD] 1998 black manly tiger. Clinton cycles has 2 brand new tigers. A 1999 and a 2001 tiger. They have not sold the 1999 since 1999. I think you might get an AWESOME deal with them. They are desperate to sell the tigers. Its unfortunate people dont appreciate the quality of the tiger. Like the Brit article says, "its the brit bike nobody knows". personaly i would go with a nice black tiger. Id remove the tiger stripes thou, that would make the tiger much better looking, in my opinion anyway. If you ever catch the movie "Romeo Must die", there is a 99+ tiger there doing tricks and stuff. Unfortunatly a car destroys it. Pamela anderson rides a 98 tiger in "barbed wire" Ricardo http://www.pileofgarbage.com (1998 tiger info in there) Cheers -----Original Message----- From: Brian Marhefsky [mailto:bmarhefsky@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:28 AM To: Ricardo Pontes Subject: RE: Dealer Question Thanks! BTW, what year Tiger do you have? I'm looking to pick up either a 2000 or 2001. Winchester has a 2001 in green and a 2002 in black. Both have the 955 motor. Brian --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > Ive shopped and had my triumph serviced at clinton > cycles. They were pretty > nice to me. The nicest shop i have been to. They > make it a point to remember > your name too. I have serviced my triumph tiger > there, and they did a great > job. They have a great service area, in which you > can just check out what > they do to your machine or others through a huge > glass window, similar to > what they have in Medical Operating rooms. The > mechanics even take time out > to chat with you abou the bike. There was a huge > line of bikes awaiting to > be fixed one day, and i wanted they to change a tire > and adjust my carbs, > they just did it as fast as i could ask. Highly > recommend them > > Ricardo > http://www.pileofgarbage.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Marhefsky [mailto:bmarhefsky@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 6:31 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Dealer Question > > > Three dealers have the bike I want. Pete's Cycle > (Baltimore), Clinton Cycle and Winchester > Motorsports. > Any experience/opinions with any of these? I'm > leaning toward Winchester Motorsports as they seemed > most interested in my business. Thank you! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 08:55:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17DtwO20945 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:55:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:55:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200202070855.AA600506466@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Varsol parts cleaner? X-Mailer: I've always liked Varsol ("stoddard solvent") for cleaning parts because it's not flammable, it cleans well, and it washes off with water. But ... anybody know where you can buy it anymore? Last time I bought some it came from a paint store. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 09:27:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17ERcO21458 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-136-112.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.136.112] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YpWS-0007gC-00; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 06:27:37 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020207092205.00aff268@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:28:33 -0500 To: Brian Marhefsky , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Dealer Question In-Reply-To: <20020207113058.99293.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:30 AM 2/7/2002, Brian Marhefsky wrote: >Three dealers have the bike I want. Pete's Cycle >(Baltimore), Clinton Cycle and Winchester Motorsports. >Any experience/opinions with any of these? I'm >leaning toward Winchester Motorsports as they seemed >most interested in my business. Thank you! I like the people and treatment at Clinton Cycles. The general manager and the top sales guy are very up front, frank about their motivations and goals, and willing to gab about bikes for a long time without any sales pressure at all. The actually ride, and have raced extensively. They offer no-pressure test rides on all the brands they carry -- the only such place I know around here. Their service department is impressive as well. They gladly accept work on the brands they carry plus other Japanese bikes, don't care if they were bought there or elsewhere, make reminder calls, get the work done quickly on the day of your appointment, and haven't put a wrench wrong on either my Aprilia or my Suzuki. Seems to me to be a very professionally-run shop. I have no experience with the other two dealerships. Regards, Larry -- '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '02 Honda 919 (backup and commuter bike) '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 09:28:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17EScO21470 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2a.dc.gov ([10.128.7.14]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020207142837.DVJJ10373.dcmail0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:28:37 -0500 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2a.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020207142837.VOKV3348.dcmail2a@XXXXXX>; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:28:37 -0500 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1CYCJVD7>; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:28:33 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B795009027626986360090@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Pierre C'" , "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Jewels in the street: Theft? Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:25:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> The question is: Anyone in this >>list can tell me how likely i am that someone is going to take away this >>beautiful motorcycle? Having followed the DC/VA sale thread, I am a little confused about the bike; is it in DC or VA? Generally the rules are the same, but in DC you have to be more vigilant. Anything pretty and shiny is a theft-magnet, and even some raggedy stuff will "walk" if you are not watching. I had a friend a couple of years back who had a '80 Toyota Stationwagon (it was a woody, too!) stolen from her driveway in Falls Church. So it happens everywhere. Make sure you have theft (and vandalism) insurance! Keep good records of condition, accessories, etc. Take pictures. Cops use stuff like saddlebags, flags, etc as "distinguishing features" to help identify your bike if it wanders. A lot of common sense stuff: buy a lock, consider an alarm, secure off-street parking. You may need to rent a parking space from a neighbor if you don't already have one. Fortunately for a bike you need such a little space that this is pretty easy to do. Never ever leave your helmet with your bike. DC area cops WILL stop you if you are riding without a helmet; don't give the bad guy the last thing he needs to get away unnoticed. Mainly there are two kinds of theft in the DC area: one is when a chop-shop wants a specific bike or car, and sends someone with a list to pick that particular bike/car. The other is the "joyrider" who will steal a bike/car just because it's there and it's convenient. Either way, the best way to keep your bike from leaving you is to make it as inconvenient as possible for the bad guys. There are enough bikes in and around the city that a theif always has another option; don't let your bike be the one that looks easy to steal. Good luck! -patti From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 09:33:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17EXoO21558 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-106-241.s1257.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.106.241] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16YpcS-0004QU-00; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:33:49 -0500 Message-ID: <009401c1afe5$3ad39180$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Pierre C" , References: <20020207133125.27712.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Jewels in the street: Theft? Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:38:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 My bikes are on the street too, although sometimes I pull them into the front "yard" and chain them to the wrought iron fence. Anyway, a cover, disk lock and alarm helps. It increases the uncertainty and PITA factor for the potential thief. Get friendly with your neighbors so they know the bike is yours and they're more likely to keep an eye on it in case anyone messes with it. Try getting a spot where you can mount a secure tie-down and route the "New York Chain" or similar through the tie down. If the 98 VFR is like mine, it has a substantial hole in the frame designing for routing a chain or cable. Your goal is to deter the more casual thief. Jeannette is right; if someone is hell-bent on stealing your bike, it's theirs. It sounds like someone has been bitten hard by the VFR bug! :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeannette" To: "Pierre C" ; Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Jewels in the street: Theft? > Red is a nice color, isn't it? > :-) > > I'm sure others will have more experience & advice > regarding safety, but it seems like no matter what you > do, if someone REALLY wants your bike, they'll find a > way to steal it. Garage it at night, if possible, and > don't leave it parked in one place too long. Disk > locks, NY chains, etc. *might* help, but like I said, > if they REALLY want it...you know the drill. I had a > friend unfortunately get his bike stolen twice in NW > DC and it was inside a gate in his YARD. :-( > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > --- Pierre C wrote: > > I just got my VFR today. It's not a motorcycle, it's > > a true jewel. > > Beautiful and obvious, red, stunning. I mean, i > > apologyze to everyone here, > > but i can't think of anything more beautiful than a > > beautifully maintained > > 98 VFR. Anyone in this > > list can tell me how likely i am that someone is > > going to take away this > > beautiful motorcycle? i am from italy, and there i > > know where to park, where > > not to, and so on. I can smell it. But here, i know > > nothing. I don't know > > if VFRs are stolen a lot, if they steal the parts. > > Anyone wants to share > > their experience with this problem with me? i would > > love some comments, > > suggestions.> Pierfrancesco > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 10:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14603.mail.yahoo.com (web14603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g17FZIO22535 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:35:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020207153511.4505.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.157.49.31] by web14603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 07:35:11 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:35:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Knapik Subject: Re: Meet the great Robert Higdon? To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3C61EE98.26EF29F7@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So, where's this meeting gonna be? I'd like to join in on the fun......long as its a decent day, etc, etc --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > I'm up for it. Long as it's a decent day. I can > bring the Hawg and show > y`all what *quality* chrome looks like after > exposure to the air. > > Bill > Ol' Rusty `93 FLHS > > matthew patton wrote: > > > of MCN/IBRA fame who did a stint at MMI and wrote > an absolutely > > hilarious account of his travails in becoming a > mech after being a > > lawyer for many years. He lives in DC and I > floated him an idea of > > meeting with dc-cycles folk much like we got > together for the Crystal > > City Riders at Shirlington. > > > > Anyone up for another round of the Crystal City > Riders or similar > > gathering in that same general vicinity? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 12:35:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17HZkO24283 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:38:50 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B267@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'tdeboeser@XXXXXX'" , "'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX'" Subject: Intro and Tires... Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:38:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Tom de declared, "I'm in need of new tires, and of course I've found better prices online/mail-order. I don't have the tools or equipment yet to do my own tire change or even remove the wheels. I know this is a stretch, but is there a dealer or MC shop that will install tires not purchased from them?" Cycle Accessories Discounters in Gaithersburg doesn't flinch. In fact, I think many of their employees buy mail-order (I've been told MO is often cheaper than what the store can get them from their "wholesaler") $15 mount and balance off the bike. $5 to recycle your old tire -- or: take it and drop it off at Shady Grove, make sandals, planters . . . Long John observed, "As I see it the problem is that there are bureaucrats* out there who are being very well paid to find problems, and by god they are going to find problems. And there are bureaucrats out there who are equally well paid to propose solutions to those "problems" and by god they are to propose solutions for them, real or imagined." The view from inside isn't much different. We base our decisions and recommendations on science (or at worse, "best professional judgement") Then those decisions and recommendations go through political review. Sometimes the product ain't purty. =8^O %$#@ pointy headed spineless bureaucrats. "*Not aimed at any individuals who have the good sense to ride, and belong to this list." Awww, shucks Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 13:31:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f81.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17IVhO25125 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:20:12 -0800 Received: from 68.48.87.207 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:20:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.48.87.207] From: "Rob Keiser" To: piffiffi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jewels in the street: Theft? Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:20:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2002 18:20:12.0083 (UTC) FILETIME=[14F1C030:01C1B004] Wow, and I thought I loved My VFR! Congrats on the bike. There are a number of things you can do to help 'customize' your riding position. Drop me a line off-list and I'll be glad to provide some more info. With limited info, I'm not sure about the stiff clutch, though. As for security, do whatever you can to make it as unappealing as possible to steal. Cover, lock, garage, alarm, park in well lit areas, keep it in sight, etc. Looks like we have another VFR for Bike Nights!!! hehehe The dominance continues!!! Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Jewels in the street: Theft? Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 05:37:29 +0000 I just got my VFR today. It's not a motorcycle, it's a true jewel. Beautiful and obvious, red, stunning. I mean, i apologyze to everyone here, but i can't think of anything more beautiful than a beautifully maintained 98 VFR. They should coniate the adjective 'red VFR'. Never seen that red... well, come to think about it, it's like the red that ferrari uses. I can't believe that so many people in the world live without knowing how beautiful it is to have ride a VFR. I got it tonight. The gentleman who sold it to me was so wonderful to bring it to my home in NW DC. I got it at 7PM, and i rode it in the night till 11PM. And i can't believe i am not riding it right now. Bla bla bla, i am sorry, so many of you guys have completely different cycles. and you all love your cycles, don't you? and you think it's the best, just like me. i thought the VFR is such a friendly machine. The only problem i have is a pain in the neck, and I wonder how these reviews i have been reading say that riders can drive them all day long. So, i guess i just need to get used to it. Just as well as i need to get used to the stiffness of the clutch. Sometimes, i can hear the plates cranking. I never rode anything like this. I am just owed. The question is: Anyone in this list can tell me how likely i am that someone is going to take away this beautiful motorcycle? i am from italy, and there i know where to park, where not to, and so on. I can smell it. But here, i know nothing. I don't know if VFRs are stolen a lot, if they steal the parts. Anyone wants to share their experience with this problem with me? i would love some comments, suggestions. Thank you, and, for those who actually did read this far, my apologies if i praised so long this motorcycle. Pierfrancesco _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 15:09:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13008.mail.yahoo.com (web13008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g17K9QO26515 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:09:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020207200924.27320.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.101.4.236] by web13008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:09:24 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:09:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremy Purdy Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/06/02 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: roach@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200202070000.g17007K08139@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This would not necessarrily be at the taxpayer's expense. Take the Underwriter's Laboratory (the UL certification on just about everything you can buy). If I am not mistaken, just about any product, from lights, to toasters, to whatever has to pass UL certification to be in the stores. I believe that the retailers themselves are the ones you pay to have their product tested as well. Now, this may be a bad example. I don't know that much about UL, maybe this is an example of where the retailers decided to police themselves. It seems unlikely that this would have ever gotten off the ground without an across the board government mandate though. -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic Brian, I have CE armor in my suit and one of the reasons I have it is because it's CE-approved. I don't doubt that it's "better" But do we really want to government regulating riding apparel? Especially the safety-crats who will end up mandating stuff like linked brakes, ABS, air bags, and all sorts of other "crap" that should be choices left to the consumer. If folks like you and me think the CE-approved stuff is better because it's been certified by some bureaucratic body, then we are free to decide to buy it. If others could give a rat's ass, they don't have to. I certainly don't want the government dictating what people have to buy and wear to ride a motorcycle. And I don't want another bureaucracy (at taxpayer expense) that adds cost to a product. Let the market sort it out. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 15:47:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from node1.fcps.k12.va.us (node1.fcps.k12.va.us [151.188.3.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17KlcO27137 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from there (falcon.fcps.edu [151.188.2.105]) by node1.fcps.k12.va.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA22844; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:47:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202072047.PAA22844@node1.fcps.k12.va.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tom de Reply-To: tdeboeser@XXXXXX To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Intro and Tires... Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:47:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <20020207133847.32619.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020207133847.32619.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks, I see you recommend Crossroads Cycle, but you are buying from Loudoun. Did Louduon give you a better deal? And how much did you pay for the tires installed? And are you getting anything else interesting installed (pipes, upgrades)? I shoulda joined the list sooner, I'm finding more and more people with the Superhawks. thanks, Tom De. '98 VTR On Thursday 07 February 2002 08:38 am, Chris Weaver wrote: > Tom, > > Welcome! > > I recommend you try Crossroads Cycle in Bailey's > Crossroads in Alexandria if you don't mind the trip. > They seem to have the best rates on tire changes, > albeit not by much. I think most shops will mount the > tires for you - they just charge a higher price if you > didn't buy the tires from them. This is presumably in > order to mitigate the loss of tire sales that online > purchases have caused them and to encourage people to > buy the tires there. > > I also have a '98 Superhawk and my bike's at Loudoun > Motorsports right now getting new Bridgestone BT010s > put on (among other things). Get back to me in a week > or so and I can give you my impressions of them on the > VTR. > > Chris Weaver > > --- Tom de wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm new to the list and I of course have a > > question. First an intro, I own > > a stock Red '98 Honda SuperHawk and I've been riding > > for a total of 7 years. > > I ride moderate to aggressive although I've never > > dragged a nee. And I live > > in Stafford Va. > > The question: I'm in need of new tires, and of > > course I've found better > > prices online/mail-order. I don't have the tools or > > equipment yet to do my > > own tire change or even remove the wheels. > > I know this is a stretch, but is there a dealer or > > MC shop that will > > install tires not purchased from them? > > > > I've been looking at Bridgestone 020 or 010, Avon > > II V35/36, Dunlop 207, > > and Metzeler Sportec M1. Opinions welcome. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tom De Boeser > > '98 SuperHawk > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com -- Tom De Boeser tom.deboeser@XXXXXX Senior Systems Engineer Dimension Data US www.didata.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 16:13:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com (mail.mckissackdc.com [209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17LDuO27612 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:13:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: superhawk Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:13:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Speaking of Superhawks, why does it always seem like the Falls Church Coleman's Powersport has more of them than any other used sports bikes? -----Original Message----- From: Tom de [mailto:tdeboeser@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:48 PM To: Chris Weaver; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Intro and Tires... Thanks, I see you recommend Crossroads Cycle, but you are buying from Loudoun. Did Louduon give you a better deal? And how much did you pay for the tires installed? And are you getting anything else interesting installed (pipes, upgrades)? I shoulda joined the list sooner, I'm finding more and more people with the Superhawks. thanks, Tom De. '98 VTR On Thursday 07 February 2002 08:38 am, Chris Weaver wrote: > Tom, > > Welcome! > > I recommend you try Crossroads Cycle in Bailey's > Crossroads in Alexandria if you don't mind the trip. > They seem to have the best rates on tire changes, > albeit not by much. I think most shops will mount the > tires for you - they just charge a higher price if you > didn't buy the tires from them. This is presumably in > order to mitigate the loss of tire sales that online > purchases have caused them and to encourage people to > buy the tires there. > > I also have a '98 Superhawk and my bike's at Loudoun > Motorsports right now getting new Bridgestone BT010s > put on (among other things). Get back to me in a week > or so and I can give you my impressions of them on the > VTR. > > Chris Weaver > > --- Tom de wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm new to the list and I of course have a > > question. First an intro, I own > > a stock Red '98 Honda SuperHawk and I've been riding > > for a total of 7 years. > > I ride moderate to aggressive although I've never > > dragged a nee. And I live > > in Stafford Va. > > The question: I'm in need of new tires, and of > > course I've found better > > prices online/mail-order. I don't have the tools or > > equipment yet to do my > > own tire change or even remove the wheels. > > I know this is a stretch, but is there a dealer or > > MC shop that will > > install tires not purchased from them? > > > > I've been looking at Bridgestone 020 or 010, Avon > > II V35/36, Dunlop 207, > > and Metzeler Sportec M1. Opinions welcome. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tom De Boeser > > '98 SuperHawk > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com -- Tom De Boeser tom.deboeser@XXXXXX Senior Systems Engineer Dimension Data US www.didata.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 16:29:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17LTRO27893 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-139.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.139] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Yw6V-0001CX-00; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:29:15 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020207162951.00b05c00@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:30:15 -0500 To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: superhawk In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:13 PM 2/7/2002, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >Speaking of Superhawks, why does it always seem like the Falls Church >Coleman's Powersport has more of them than any other used sports bikes? So does the Woodbridge location. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 16:40:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g17LelO28050 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:40:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020207214046.31712.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:40:46 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:40:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: superhawk To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020207162951.00b05c00@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii imo, you'll find used superhawks EVERYWHERE (despite the fact that they're really great real-world sportbikes) because of the rc-51 --- Larry Larson wrote: > At 04:13 PM 2/7/2002, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > >Speaking of Superhawks, why does it always seem like the > Falls Church > >Coleman's Powersport has more of them than any other > used sports bikes? > > So does the Woodbridge location. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 16:57:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17LvPO28364 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-53.s53.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.53] helo=dtscomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16YwXj-0007Hh-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:57:24 -0500 Message-ID: <006901c1b022$759721a0$356aaccf@dtscomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <20020207214046.31712.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: superhawk now w/ Spam Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:57:37 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Speaking of great real world sport bikes, I have one for sale. '98 VTR Superhawk. TBR full system with CF exhaust cans, New Penske Sport Shock, Recently redone front end with emulators, springs and oil by Traxxion dynamics, Sargent World Sport Seat, Heli-bars, TBR lower, tank pad, new BT56ss's. Unfortunately I really need to sell it. <5500 miles, excellent condition. Never down. Asking $6500. Danny '98 VTR (For Sale) '01 Shadow Tourer (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) '02 XR250R. www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gimer To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:40 PM Subject: Re: superhawk > imo, you'll find used superhawks EVERYWHERE (despite the > fact that they're really great real-world sportbikes) > because of the rc-51 > > > > > --- Larry Larson wrote: > > At 04:13 PM 2/7/2002, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > >Speaking of Superhawks, why does it always seem like the > > Falls Church > > >Coleman's Powersport has more of them than any other > > used sports bikes? > > > > So does the Woodbridge location. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 1/30/02 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 18:40:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (root@XXXXXX [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17NeuO29895 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:40:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dial164.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.164.211]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id SAA01350; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:40:53 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020207183614.03bbff00@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:40:49 -0500 To: , "List-dc cycles" From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Varsol parts cleaner? In-Reply-To: <200202070855.AA600506466@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Non-Aerosol WD-40 (available in 1 gallon cans) is 70% Stoddard solvent. http://www.wd40.com/Brands/wd40_msds.html Andrew C. '90 EX500 '01 ZR-7S At 08:55 AM 2/7/02 , Chris Norloff wrote: >I've always liked Varsol ("stoddard solvent") for cleaning parts because >it's not flammable, it cleans well, and it washes off with water. > >But ... anybody know where you can buy it anymore? Last time I bought >some it came from a paint store. > >thanks, >Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 18:44:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f27.hotmail.com [216.32.181.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g17NijO29969 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:33:31 -0800 Received: from 67.201.148.64 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 23:33:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.201.148.64] From: "Ken Shephard" To: bmarhefsky@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dealer Question Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:33:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2002 23:33:31.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA61AB70:01C1B02F] >From: Brian Marhefsky >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Dealer Question >(Baltimore), Clinton Cycle and Winchester Motorsports. >Any experience/opinions with any of these? I'm >leaning toward Winchester Motorsports as they seemed >most interested in my business. Thank you! Winchester Motorsports would get my vote, I've gotten service and supplies there since they opened. They are always friendly, and its a great place to stop when you just want to drool over bikes and talk over them. Carl and Dana seem to run the shop like many of the old time shops, with a personal touch as opposed to the antiseptic car showroom feel of most modern shops. Maybe it's because of the eclectic assortment of bikes they sell, but its one of my favorite stops as I ride around. One of these days I'm going to finally replace the Guzzi V65 Lario I had back in college. ;) Ken S........ Ride Safe and Forever Free Inwood WV HDKnight@XXXXXX AIM HDKnight1 ICQ #32289311 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 20:05:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-3.cais.net (stmpy-3.cais.net [205.252.14.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1815ZO01754 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (240.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.240]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g1815Xw97615 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:05:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007101c1b03a$574647e0$0638e2cf@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Jewels in the street: Theft? Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:48:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 LoJack for bikes is coming in 2002 (Motorcyclist March 02). LoJack CusSvc (800) 698-8022. (Upon theft, a trackable signal on the bike is energized and is used by police to geographically locate the vehicle) Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Please don't burgle me in an "r"-less month Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 21:32:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g182WcO03067 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 2.38.22d48001 (4322) for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:32:19 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <38.22d48001.299492b2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:32:18 EST Subject: Daytona bike week To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Hey all, Is anyone planning on going to Daytona this March? Thought it would be neat to set up a meeting place down there for us to get together... Steve Broadstreet 01 ZX-9R P.S. And sorry Dale...I'm trailering my bike down. :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 21:47:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (root@XXXXXX [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g182ldO03298 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dial081.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.164.100]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id VAA00839; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:47:33 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020207214428.03b09ac0@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 21:47:12 -0500 To: SBave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Daytona bike week In-Reply-To: <38.22d48001.299492b2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:32 PM 2/7/02 , SBave@XXXXXX wrote: >Hey all, > Is anyone planning on going to Daytona this March? Thought it would be neat >to set up a meeting place down there for us to get together... I'll be there Sunday to Sunday. A nice place to meet is the Kawasaki GTOC hospitality tent :-) Andrew C. '90 EX500 '01 ZR-7S From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 22:32:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g183WIO04009 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA.meyerweb.net ([66.61.44.24]) by mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:31:30 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020207222837.02c91e00@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: rmeyer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:29:02 -0500 To: "Pierre C" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Jewels in the street: Theft? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Take a look at: http://www.lockitt.com/advise.htm for an excellent writeup on motorcycle security. Should you choose to buy anything, this is a good company to do business with, too. Bob At 05:37 AM 2/7/02 +0000, Pierre C wrote: >I just got my VFR today. It's not a motorcycle, it's a true jewel. >Beautiful and obvious, red, stunning. I mean, i apologyze to everyone >here, but i can't think of anything more beautiful than a beautifully >maintained 98 VFR. They should coniate the adjective 'red VFR'. Never >seen that red... well, come to think about it, it's like the red that >ferrari uses. I can't believe that so many people in the world live >without knowing how beautiful it is to have ride a VFR. I got it tonight. >The gentleman who sold it to me was so wonderful to bring it to my home in >NW DC. I got it at 7PM, and i rode it in the night till 11PM. And i can't >believe i am not riding it right now. Bla bla bla, i am sorry, so many of >you guys have completely different cycles. and you all love your cycles, >don't you? and you think it's the best, just like me. i thought the VFR is >such a friendly machine. The only problem i have is a pain in the neck, >and I wonder how these reviews i have been reading say that riders can >drive them all day long. So, i guess i just need to get used to it. Just >as well as i need to get used to the stiffness of the clutch. Sometimes, >i can hear the plates cranking. I never rode anything like this. I am >just owed. The question is: Anyone in this list can tell me how likely i >am that someone is going to take away this beautiful motorcycle? i am from >italy, and there i know where to park, where not to, and so on. I can >smell it. But here, i know nothing. I don't know if VFRs are stolen a >lot, if they steal the parts. Anyone wants to share their experience with >this problem with me? i would love some comments, suggestions. >Thank you, and, for those who actually did read this far, my apologies if >i praised so long this motorcycle. >Pierfrancesco > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 7 23:03:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1843hO04483 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28190 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 04:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.61.44.77) by motorcyclegearreview.com (63.151.113.84) with ESMTP; 08 Feb 2002 04:04:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:03:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Dealer Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: Brian Marhefsky From: Dave Cross In-Reply-To: <20020207113058.99293.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) While I have never as much as set foot in there store (always purchased used), every time I hear someone ask for dealer recommendations Winchester Motorsports' name is always mentioned. Take that for what its worth. Dave On Thursday, February 7, 2002, at 06:30 AM, Brian Marhefsky wrote: > Three dealers have the bike I want. Pete's Cycle > (Baltimore), Clinton Cycle and Winchester Motorsports. > Any experience/opinions with any of these? I'm > leaning toward Winchester Motorsports as they seemed > most interested in my business. Thank you! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 02:38:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g187cwO07788 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-109-77.s77.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.77] helo=dtscomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16Z5cX-0001E4-00; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 02:38:57 -0500 Message-ID: <009301c1b073$b5def520$4d6daccf@dtscomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "Suzuki SV 650" , , , Subject: '99 SV racebike for Sale: SPAM Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:39:14 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Unfortunately the race SV is back on the blocks. Here are the details: '99 SV 650. 8 Race weekends on it. Tank is dented and ugly but functional. TBR exhaust it scratched and ugly also. Has Penske rear, CFM rearsets and clip-ons, belly pan, recent 520 conversion, safety wired and ready to go. Runs strong and rides great. I have turned 26's at Summit on this bike so I know it is a good bike. In order to race it, I would recommend springs and emulators up front, but that is all it needs to be fully track ready. If you want to spend more $$ I would recommend full bodywork and front stainless lines but these are not necessary for taking this bike on the track on running well. This would make an excellent bike for getting into racing without spending a truckload of money, but still being able to be competitive. Asking $4100. Pictures available if interested. Danny '98 VTR (For Sale) '01 Shadow Tourer (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) '02 XR250R. www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 1/30/02 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 08:57:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18DvXO13409 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:00:45 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B275@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Arnold Schwarzenegger, expert motorcyclist Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:00:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, why doesn't MSF the teach this technique?** CMH-MOTO: Arnold Schwarzenegger, expert motorcyclist >From Salon.com: http://www.salon.com/people/col/reit/2002/02/05/nptues/?CP=RDF&DN=310 ---begin quote--- Just ask Arnold Schwarzenegger, who insists that he learned everything he needed to know about surviving his recent motorcycle crash from his rough roles in the "Terminator" flicks. Unable to change lanes when a car stopped directly in front of him while he was on his bike, Arnold says, he got right into character and "put the bike down" just the way he learned to do in the films. "You put the rear brake on, it slides out, you go down with the bike and you slide with both wheels into the car," he tells the Associated Press. Which is not to say action adventurers feel no pain. The six ribs he broke when his chest hit his motorcycle windshield, he says, were "very painful, much more painful than ... heart surgery. A rib breaking is, like, the worst." ---end quote--- **Cuz it ain't the Moronic Stupid Foundation. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 09:10:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18EAmO13608 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:10:48 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaMiSWdK6COq5Fi9kLZcFN0Tix2IGD7G88q50c+59PmZxTKuzA6MS9T8F/oBPJ/eJA= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ZBjj-0005Zx-00; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:10:47 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger, expert motorcyclist Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:09:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B275@DCHQCLEXHQ> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Too bad it wasn't Tom Cruise...we may have found out about the one handed stoppy and pirouette method of obstacle avoidance (automatic weapon optional). --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:01 AM > To: 'DCCycles' > Subject: Arnold Schwarzenegger, expert motorcyclist > > > Wow, why doesn't MSF the teach this technique?** > > CMH-MOTO: Arnold Schwarzenegger, expert motorcyclist > >From Salon.com: > http://www.salon.com/people/col/reit/2002/02/05/nptues/?CP=RDF&DN=310 > ---begin quote--- > Just ask Arnold Schwarzenegger, who insists that he learned everything he > needed to know about surviving his recent motorcycle crash from his rough > roles in the "Terminator" flicks. > Unable to change lanes when a car stopped directly in front of > him while he > was on his bike, Arnold says, he got right into character and > "put the bike > down" just the way he learned to do in the films. > "You put the rear brake on, it slides out, you go down with the > bike and you > slide with both wheels into the car," he tells the Associated Press. > Which is not to say action adventurers feel no pain. The six ribs he broke > when his chest hit his motorcycle windshield, he says, were "very painful, > much more painful than ... heart surgery. A rib breaking is, like, the > worst." > ---end quote--- > > **Cuz it ain't the Moronic Stupid Foundation. > Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 09:17:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18EHDO13779 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.f9.1711df43 (4241); Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:16:50 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:16:50 EST Subject: Re: Daytona bike week To: SBave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f9.1711df43.299537d2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_f9.1711df43.299537d2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/7/02 9:34:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, SBave@XXXXXX writes: > Is anyone planning on going to Daytona this March? Thought it would be neat > to set up a meeting place down there for us to get together... Yes. I'm going to be there racing from Feb 26th through Mar 10th. Look around in the pits. I'm planning on staying in one of the open air garages. Steve Keener --part1_f9.1711df43.299537d2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/7/02 9:34:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, SBave@XXXXXX writes:

Is anyone planning on going to Daytona this March? Thought it would be neat
to set up a meeting place down there for us to get together...


Yes.  I'm going to be there racing from Feb 26th through Mar 10th.  Look around in the pits.  I'm planning on staying in one of the open air garages.

Steve Keener --part1_f9.1711df43.299537d2_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 09:32:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18EWjO14023 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-124.s378.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.124] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ZC4y-0004bl-00; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:32:44 -0500 Message-ID: <007201c1b0ae$40043460$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B275@DCHQCLEXHQ> Subject: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger, expert motorcyclist Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:37:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yeah, too bad the average street rider doesn't have a closed movie set, safety teams standing by and stunt doubles in order to hone those "techniques." Just what we need, a celebrity pushing the "lay the bike down to avoid an accident" nonsense. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Custer, Carl" > Wow, why doesn't MSF the teach this technique?** > > CMH-MOTO: Arnold Schwarzenegger, expert motorcyclist > >From Salon.com: > http://www.salon.com/people/col/reit/2002/02/05/nptues/?CP=RDF&DN=310 > ---begin quote--- > Just ask Arnold Schwarzenegger, who insists that he learned everything he > needed to know about surviving his recent motorcycle crash from his rough > roles in the "Terminator" flicks. > Unable to change lanes when a car stopped directly in front of him while he > was on his bike, Arnold says, he got right into character and "put the bike > down" just the way he learned to do in the films. ... From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 09:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18EedO14145 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:40:39 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbI7QHgem5IuikKwHX9IO7ISfsNWC2YzvCZw7dSi8wSnBgM4hydKDdxFbhMkNHLuqQ= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ZCCc-0003kf-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:40:38 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: New KTM Streetbike Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:39:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 The new issue of motorcyclist has a sneak preview (for lack of better term) of a KTM street (not dual purpose nor paris-dakkar style) sportbike. And it looks like they're going GP1 racing with a 990cc V4 in 2004. --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 09:54:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18EslO14450 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:54:47 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ/lQyn7oVTZD5cw2YRvg34RABYBt2CaiLsrurbaYkxSBqSSHnfDSd+aj/xCNdQaCQ= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ZCQJ-0006Vq-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:54:47 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: more on New KTM Streetbike Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:53:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 http://www.motosport.ch/de/index.asp?mainsite=/de/artikel.asp?artikelID=903& rubrikID=2 (you may need to run in through http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn, unless you read german). > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:39 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: New KTM Streetbike > > > The new issue of motorcyclist has a sneak preview (for lack of > better term) > of a KTM street (not dual purpose nor paris-dakkar style) sportbike. > > And it looks like they're going GP1 racing with a 990cc V4 in 2004. > > --jon > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 10:36:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18Fa8O15252 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:36:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:36:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200202081036.AA270729668@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Dangerous Driver (Arlington) X-Mailer: Had a BDC almost run me into a barrier today - trying to pass when an entrance ramp was narrowing from 2 to 1 lanes. He locked up his wheels right behind me when it permeated his pea-sized brain that he wasn't going to make it. So I turned him into the Arlington Police as a dangerous driver. They say they'll send him a letter (with a blind copy to me). While this isn't punishment, it lets cretins like this know they're being watched, and if the driver wasn't the owner, the owner might like to know what's going on. Chrysler New Yorker, dark metallic silver with dark red top, VA license YWV-2769, drived by a white male with short dark hair, age about 25. Drove I-66 East from the Sycamore St. entrance ramp to the Fairfax/Glebe Rd. exit. If you happen to see him, let him know you've heard about him. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 10:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14310.mail.yahoo.com (web14310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g18FsTO15496 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:54:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020208155428.32300.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.63.9.23] by web14310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 07:54:28 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:54:28 -0800 (PST) From: Linda Tanner Subject: Re: Daytona bike week To: DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020207214428.03b09ac0@biga.pop.crosslink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll be there Thursday through Sunday or so. Gotta see the race, yaknow. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner --- Andrew Culpepper wrote: > At 09:32 PM 2/7/02 , SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > >Hey all, > > Is anyone planning on going to Daytona this > March? Thought it would be neat > >to set up a meeting place down there for us to get > together... > > I'll be there Sunday to Sunday. A nice place to > meet is the Kawasaki GTOC > hospitality tent :-) > > > Andrew C. > '90 EX500 > '01 ZR-7S > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 11:05:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18G5uO15767 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2a.dc.gov ([10.128.7.14]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020208160555.IILD10373.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:05:55 -0500 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2a.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020208160555.XMNT3348.dcmail2a@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:05:55 -0500 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1CYCJW6T>; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:05:43 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B7950090276269863600A2@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Dangerous Driver (Arlington) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:02:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>So I turned him into the Arlington Police as a dangerous driver. They say they'll send him a >>letter (with a blind copy to me). Were the cops there to witness this, or did you flag one down later or call? Just wondering, because if they will send a letter to someone you report without the cop actually having to witness the Bad Driver, that would definitely encourage me to narc on people more often. (But only when they truly deserve it!) -patti From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 11:37:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18GbLO16413 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:37:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.174.3426af7 (3314); Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:36:59 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <174.3426af7.299558ab@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:36:59 EST Subject: Re: Daytona bike week To: ljtanner@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_174.3426af7.299558ab_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_174.3426af7.299558ab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 10:55:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, ljtanner@XXXXXX writes: > I'll be there Thursday through Sunday or so. Gotta > see the race, yaknow. Nobody loves me I can see. Geeeez. Keener --part1_174.3426af7.299558ab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 10:55:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, ljtanner@XXXXXX writes:


I'll be there Thursday through Sunday or so.  Gotta
see the race, yaknow.


Nobody loves me I can see.  Geeeez. 

Keener
 --part1_174.3426af7.299558ab_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 11:51:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18GpBO16653 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:51:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:51:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200202081151.AA224068158@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Dangerous Driver (Arlington) X-Mailer: I just called. Both Arlington and Fairfax take calls to report dangerous drivers. Not sure how much good it really does, but I wouldn't want to get a letter like that and I wouldn't want to get a letter like that when a family member was driving our car. You have to be specific enough for them to do something about it - tag no, time of day, place, car description, and usually a driver description also. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Lantech (DCOP)" Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:02:33 -0500 > > >>>So I turned him into the Arlington Police as a dangerous driver. They say >they'll send him a >>letter (with a blind copy to me). > > >Were the cops there to witness this, or did you flag one down later or call? >Just wondering, because if they will send a letter to someone you report >without the cop actually having to witness the Bad Driver, that would >definitely encourage me to narc on people more often. (But only when they >truly deserve it!) > >-patti > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 12:02:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18H2bO16820 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:02:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id i.165.81bac4a (3314); Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:01:47 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <165.81bac4a.29955e7a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:01:46 EST Subject: Re: Daytona bike week To: pejmancbr600f3@XXXXXX, ljtanner@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_165.81bac4a.29955e7a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_165.81bac4a.29955e7a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 11:59:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, pejmancbr600f3@XXXXXX writes: > Will anyone be riding there bikes down to Daytona, is it even possible, I > mean on a sports bike...I am thinking about it, but I won't be doing it > alone. > Sorry. I don't think my SV700 would last for 800 miles straight. Something about being stranded in the middle of South Carolina just isn't appealing!!! Keener --part1_165.81bac4a.29955e7a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 11:59:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, pejmancbr600f3@XXXXXX writes:


Will anyone be riding there bikes down to Daytona, is it even possible, I
mean on a sports bike...I am thinking about it,  but I won't be doing it
alone.


Sorry.  I don't think my SV700 would last for 800 miles straight.  Something about being stranded in the middle of South Carolina just isn't appealing!!!

Keener --part1_165.81bac4a.29955e7a_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 12:11:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f25.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18HB9O16948 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:59:41 -0800 Received: from 63.75.33.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:59:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.75.33.2] From: "Pejman Taei" To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, ljtanner@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona bike week Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:59:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2002 16:59:41.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[0044AFD0:01C1B0C2] Will anyone be riding there bikes down to Daytona, is it even possible, I mean on a sports bike...I am thinking about it, but I won't be doing it alone. >From: SKeener2@XXXXXX >To: ljtanner@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Daytona bike week >Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:36:59 EST > >In a message dated 2/8/02 10:55:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, >ljtanner@XXXXXX writes: > > > > I'll be there Thursday through Sunday or so. Gotta > > see the race, yaknow. > >Nobody loves me I can see. Geeeez. > >Keener _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 15:17:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14602.mail.yahoo.com (web14602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g18KHKO20054 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:17:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020208201719.97814.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:17:19 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:17:19 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Daytona bike week To: Pejman Taei , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii is it possible? of course! done it (florida and back) more than once and would do it again. is it enjoyable? it depends on the weather for the ~first half of the trip..... --- Pejman Taei wrote: > Will anyone be riding there bikes down to Daytona, is it > even possible, I > mean on a sports bike...I am thinking about it, but I > won't be doing it > alone. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 15:22:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f140.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18KMcO20169 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:22:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:11:19 -0800 Received: from 63.75.33.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 20:11:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.75.33.2] From: "Pejman Taei" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Dealers that Sell Suzuki Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:11:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2002 20:11:19.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[C59478A0:01C1B0DC] Can you guys help me with a couple of good dealers for Suzuki. I know of CyclesUSA, what else is there. Tks. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 15:30:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18KUaO20322 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:30:36 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbCBST5iLOESEmeqphD3X8HMmU6/rutTYLeemF001REnZuPPnzN/sqn+VHvlGSb/eE= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ZHfG-0001AG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:30:35 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Daytona bike week Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:29:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020208201719.97814.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Tom, you are the only person I know that can Iron Butt on a Ducati and call it enjoyable. You are my hero. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:17 PM > To: Pejman Taei; DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Daytona bike week > > > is it possible? of course! done it (florida and back) > more than once and would do it again. > > is it enjoyable? it depends on the weather for the ~first > half of the trip..... > > > > --- Pejman Taei wrote: > > Will anyone be riding there bikes down to Daytona, is it > > even possible, I > > mean on a sports bike...I am thinking about it, but I > > won't be doing it > > alone. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 15:35:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18KZVO20400 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:35:31 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa9KfsUuV6Kt+pILArKDiORGMEjA2rVW3alDpX3pRZWAoP9n6VsrQumlcayYek94Dc= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ZHk2-00020l-00; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:35:30 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "Pejman Taei" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Dealers that Sell Suzuki Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:34:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 There's a Suzuki shop in Manassas...I bought my bike from them. They seemed to be ok. But the extent of my dealings was to walk in, haggle, write a check, and take delivery later that week. Oh, and they did *not* gouge me on the first service, and they *did* adjust the valves (or at least rubbed the paint off the inside of the valve cover allen heads). Whitt's Suzuki, about half way down the list (from www.suzuki.com). Coleman Powersport 435 s. Washington Street Falls Church VA 22046-4413 703/237-3400 Free State Cycle Corporation 8601 Central Avenue Capitol Heights MD 20743-3604 301/808-9500 Cycles, U.S.A. 14021 Georgia Ave Silver Spring MD 20906-2929 301/460-1600 Coleman Powersport 14015 Telegraph Road Woodbridge VA 22192-4613 703-497-1500 Cycle Sport Unlimited 632 Grant Street Herndon VA 20170 703/471-6990 Atlantic Cycle & Power 4580 Crain Highway White Plains MD 20695-3015 301/753-1171 Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas Inc. 8790 Commerce Court Manassas VA 20110 703/393-7181 Loudoun Motorsports & Power Equip, Inc. 17 Catoctin Circle SE Leesburg VA 20175 703/777-1652 Pete's Cycle Co., Inc. 800 Ritchie Hwy Severna Park MD 21146-4198 410/647-5880 Cycle World 5808 Richie Highway Baltimore MD 21225-3743 410/636-0600 JT Motorsports Suzuki 5848 Urbana Pike Frederick MD 21704-7222 301/846-4318 C & L Cycle Shop, Inc. 1526 Liberty Road Sykesville MD 21784-6512 410/795-3780 Cycle World Honda 7930 Pulaski Hwy Baltimore MD 21237-2714 410/574-6800 > -----Original Message----- > From: Pejman Taei [mailto:pejmancbr600f3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:11 PM > To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX > Subject: Dealers that Sell Suzuki > > > Can you guys help me with a couple of good dealers for Suzuki. > I know of CyclesUSA, what else is there. Tks. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 16:18:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18LIIO21225 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.4a.64403ed (17526) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:18:07 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4a.64403ed.29959a8e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:18:06 EST Subject: Re: Dangerous Driver (Arlington) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/8/2002 10:40:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > So I turned him into the Arlington Police as a dangerous driver. They say > they'll send him a letter (with a blind copy to me). While this isn't > punishment, it lets cretins like this know they're being watched _VERY_ nice. And good to know. Please forward us a copy when you get it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 16:24:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18LOmO21333 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.12d.c2c4c90 (17526) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:24:33 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12d.c2c4c90.29959c11@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:24:33 EST Subject: Re: Dangerous Driver (Arlington) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/8/2002 11:06:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, lantech.cwd@XXXXXX writes: > to narc on people Boy do I hate this misuse of a good word. To narc on someone is to turn them in for doing something that is illegal but not really wrong. Attempted auto homicide (even of a biker) is distinctly wrong IMHO. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 16:30:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18LUxO21493 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.41.18191210 (17526) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:30:32 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <41.18191210.29959d77@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:30:31 EST Subject: Re: Daytona bike week To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/8/2002 12:13:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, pejmancbr600f3@XXXXXX writes: > Will anyone be riding there bikes down to Daytona, is it even possible, I > mean on a sports bike. Damn straight you can! I once knew someone who rode a 100cc street trail _nonstop_ from central FL to MI. He made better time on the way up then he did coming back in a cage. NEVER TURN DOWN THE CHANCE TO TRAVEL ON A BIKE! One more word... Aspirin! It will cut ass pain just as well as head pain, never leave home without it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 18:15:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g18NFFO23142 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:15:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-139.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.139] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ZKEJ-0007FR-00; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:14:56 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020208180855.00afe098@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:15:57 -0500 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Dangerous Driver (Arlington) In-Reply-To: <12d.c2c4c90.29959c11@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:24 PM 2/8/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >... To narc on someone is to turn them >in for doing something that is illegal but not really wrong. "Illegal but not really wrong" -- what an interesting topic for a survey! Let's see. For me personally, that would be: 1. Illegal sexual conduct between consenting adults in private. 2. Smoking weed (in most places). 3. Speeding while otherwise driving in a safe manner. 4. Lane splitting safely (i.e., without >20 mph speed differential). 5. Filtering. 6. Lying, where lying is illegal, except under oath. Additions or subtractions? Anarchists? Strict constructionists? Libertarians? 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 19:50:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f19.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g190oPO24739 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:50:19 -0800 Received: from 68.48.0.66 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 00:50:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.48.0.66] From: "dannie davis" To: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: anyone going to do any riding on saturday?? Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 00:50:19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2002 00:50:19.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF50B400:01C1B103] just thought i'd ask around DC area??? dan _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 20:01:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f135.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.135]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1911sO24886 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:50:38 -0800 Received: from 64.24.81.156 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 00:50:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.24.81.156] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFR list poll Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 00:50:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2002 00:50:38.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAB2FAB0:01C1B103] Hello all, i was just wondering if there is anyone else on this list with a VFR w/ 20k miles on it, so as to compare maintenance notes. Thank you, pierfrancesco consalvo vfr '98 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 20:16:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g191G3O25117 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA10430 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA25753 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.7]) by smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay7 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GR8RIG00.HSM; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:15:52 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Cc: "'Pejman Taei'" Subject: RE: Dealers that Sell Suzuki Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:14:47 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c1b107$2b6548b0$1606030a@d478406837> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal You want a good Suzuki price? Call Kevin at Romney Cycle Center. Great people, and one hell of a price. Sure, Romney WV is maybe a ride for you (45 minute for me) but he beat my local dealer's price on a TLR by $600.00! (304) 822-3933 -----Original Message----- From: Pejman Taei [mailto:pejmancbr600f3@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:11 PM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Dealers that Sell Suzuki Can you guys help me with a couple of good dealers for Suzuki. I know of CyclesUSA, what else is there. Tks. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 21:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g192xHO26624 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-40-227.s227.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.227] helo=starpower.net) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ZNjJ-0000sS-00 for Dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 21:59:11 -0500 Message-ID: <3C649089.E89176C3@starpower.net> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:00:15 -0500 From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Doubts expressed about DC speed cams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g192xLO26625 February 8, 2002 Evans hints at radar camera repeal By Brian DeBose THE WASHINGTON TIMES M- M- M- M- M- D.C. Council member Jack Evans yesterday said he opposes the city's photo-radar program to catch speeders and questions the Metropolitan Police Department's oversight of the private company that operates the cameras. M- M- M- M- M- "I hate the program. I have been caught up in it myself, and I am getting nothing but complaints about it," said Mr. Evans, Ward 2 Democrat. M- M- M- M- M- "I think we might see some movement by the council or myself this year to draft legislation to repeal the program," he told editors and reporters at The Washington Times. M- M- M- M- M- Mr. Evans pointed out that legislation to repeal the automated traffic enforcement program would be passed on to the Public Works Committee, which would be required to hold public hearings on the matter. M- M- M- M- M- "It would be interesting to see M-^W in committee M-^W people coming forward to make their cases for and against the cameras," he said. M- M- M- M- M- The Washington Times has reported that the District has issued more than 160,000 automated speeding tickets and collected more than $5.3 million in fines since it began its photo-radar program in August. M- M- M- M- M- Some drivers who have been caught by the cameras have complained about tickets based on blurry photographs, erroneous car-owner information and incorrect speed limits. Others have complained that the cameras invade drivers' privacy and deny them the opportunity to face their accusers. M- M- M- M- M- Critics say the program is designed to generate revenue for the city. M- M- M- M- M- City officials have defended the photo-radar cameras, saying they calm traffic and save lives. M- M- M- M- M- "Every time they come up with the public safety angle, it leaves me scratching my head," Mr. Evans said yesterday. M- M- M- M- M- Mr. Evans said he paid his speeding tickets, but like many other critics of the photo-radar cameras, he said he does not believe the program slows drivers. He said he would favor other traffic calming devices M-^W increasing yellow light times and installing rumble strips M-^W that are more effective and less expensive. M- M- M- M- M- Mr. Evans was part of a unanimous voice vote in the council that approved the contract to begin the red-light camera enforcement in 1998. M- M- M- M- M- But the council never voted on the photo-radar program, which was first administered by Lockheed Martin and now is run by Affiliated Computer Services of Dallas, which receives $29 of every fine paid. A request for $800,000 to implement the program was placed in the 2001 budget and approved by Congress in July. M- M- M- M- M- The Times has reported that officials in the D.C. Bureau of Traffic Adjudication have complained that they do not have access to the speeding records, which have been maintained and processed by Affiliated Computer Services. M- M- M- M- M- In December, D.C. police Chief Charles H. Ramsey said a renegotiation of Affiliated's contract from its per-fine basis to a flat fee would be completed by last month. But the new contract has not been signed and is being reviewed by the D.C. Office of Contract Procurement. M- M- M- M- M- D.C. police said mistakes in the program account for only a small percentage of the total number of tickets issued. M- M- M- M- M- The Times last week reported that a Southwest resident received a ticket based on a photograph in which the license plate number was obstructed. The private company apparently guessed at the number. M- M- M- M- M- In November, the Metropolitan Police Department threw out several tickets issued along Malcolm X Avenue SE after The Times reported that the tickets displayed incorrect speed limits. M- M- M- M- M- With the photo-radar technology, if a vehicle enters the device's radar beam above the speed-limit threshold, it sets off a camera that photographs the rear of the vehicle. M- M- M- M- M- Affiliated Computer Services operates the photo-radar and red-light cameras. The company is responsible for processing the tickets for the District, reviewing the photos and mailing the tickets after obtaining information about the vehicle owner from the Department of Motor Vehicles. M- M- M- M- M- The company not only helps decide who gets ticketed but also is the first party to get its hands on the mailed-in appeals of drivers, who have 30 days to file their challenge. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 22:57:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g193vSO27493 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.25.22c2230e (3926) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:57:07 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <25.22c2230e.2995f81f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:57:19 EST Subject: Re: Daytona bike week To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_25.22c2230e.2995f81f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_25.22c2230e.2995f81f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > is it possible? of course! done it (florida and back) > more than once and would do it again. You're a sick pup... :) I don't even like driving in a car that long on 95...BORING! And on a sport bike there is the tire wear thing...hate to wear a big flat spot on the middle of the tire... Steve Broadstreet 01 ZX-9R --part1_25.22c2230e.2995f81f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:


is it possible?  of course!  done it (florida and back)
more than once and would do it again.


You're a sick pup...  :)
I don't even like driving in a car that long on 95...BORING!
And on a sport bike there is the tire wear thing...hate to wear a big flat spot on the middle of the tire...
Steve Broadstreet
01 ZX-9R --part1_25.22c2230e.2995f81f_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 23:01:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web9701.mail.yahoo.com (web9701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1941oO27574 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:01:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020209040149.48467.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.164.223.100] by web9701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 20:01:49 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:01:49 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: RE: Dealers that Sell Suzuki To: DCC Cc: pejmancbr600f3@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What about Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg? They sell Suzukis and seem like nice folks. I don't know any of the salesmen (they don't sell Triumphs), but you've got Dean in Service, and Russell in parts; both great guys, if you ever need them. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 23:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g19482O27660 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:08:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.133.919dd86 (3926) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:07:53 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <133.919dd86.2995fa98@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:07:52 EST Subject: Upgraded Joe Rocket Phoenix Jacket To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 In case anyone is interested I was in Valley Cycle of Winchester today and saw the new Phoenix jacket. Same venting and armor as the old one BUT with a leather-like material (can't remember the brand name) over the top of the shoulders and along the outsides of the sleeves. Looked like it would remove the concerns about the mesh holding up during a slide. They had the new ones at $199 and the old ones at $129... Steve Broadstreet 01 ZX-9R From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 23:11:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g194B9O27685 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA10824 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from web13904.mail.yahoo.com (web13904.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA28036 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:09:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020209040936.1132.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.48.0.98] by web13904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 20:09:36 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:09:36 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: RE: Dealers that Sell Suzuki To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Cc: "'Pejman Taei'" In-Reply-To: <001a01c1b107$2b6548b0$1606030a@d478406837> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bought my SV from Romney Cycle Center. Beat all the local store prices by several hundred dollars. Very friendly to deal with. Keith --- Gary Foreman wrote: > You want a good Suzuki price? > > Call Kevin at Romney Cycle Center. Great people, > and one hell of a > price. Sure, Romney WV is maybe a ride for you (45 > minute for me) but > he beat my local dealer's price on a TLR by $600.00! > > (304) 822-3933 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pejman Taei > [mailto:pejmancbr600f3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:11 PM > To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX > Subject: Dealers that Sell Suzuki > > > Can you guys help me with a couple of good dealers > for Suzuki. I know of > CyclesUSA, what else is there. Tks. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 23:12:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g194CTO27770 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-24.patriot.net [209.249.181.24]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g194CRe09909; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:12:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3C64A145.8D4B9931@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:10:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SBave@XXXXXX CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona bike week References: <25.22c2230e.2995f81f@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BC573D99BAFAF3B356A287E4" --------------BC573D99BAFAF3B356A287E4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > You're a sick pup... :) > I don't even like driving in a car that long on 95...BORING! > And on a sport bike there is the tire wear thing...hate to wear a big > flat spot on the middle of the tire... > Steve Broadstreet > 01 ZX-9R Pussy. In `82, or wuz it `83, I did the run to Daytona on a Suzuki GS550E. Okay, I did take the scenic route 17 for awhile. In the rain. And the hail - about a hours worth of ice pellets hammering my helmet north of the NC/SC border. FUN! Then rain, all the way into Daytona. It stopped while I was in a cheesy bar warming up. Slept on a picnic table at a rest stop outside of Daytona that night. Got et up with sand fleas. FUN! Bill rest stop motels are cheap and always open! --------------BC573D99BAFAF3B356A287E4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

SBave@XXXXXX wrote:

You're a sick pup...  :)
I don't even like driving in a car that long on 95...BORING!
And on a sport bike there is the tire wear thing...hate to wear a big flat spot on the middle of the tire...
Steve Broadstreet
01 ZX-9R
Pussy.  In `82, or wuz it `83, I did the run to Daytona on a Suzuki GS550E.  Okay, I did take the scenic route 17 for awhile.  In the rain.  And the hail - about a hours worth of ice pellets hammering my helmet north of the NC/SC border.  FUN!  Then rain, all the way into Daytona.  It stopped while I was in a cheesy bar warming up.  Slept on a picnic table at a rest stop outside of Daytona that night.  Got et up with sand fleas.  FUN!

Bill
rest stop motels are cheap and always open! --------------BC573D99BAFAF3B356A287E4-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 23:32:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g194WrO28068 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-139.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.139] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ZPBq-0002b8-00; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 20:32:42 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020208233140.00afa1a0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:33:44 -0500 To: SBave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Upgraded Joe Rocket Phoenix Jacket In-Reply-To: <133.919dd86.2995fa98@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:07 PM 2/8/2002, SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > In case anyone is interested I was in Valley Cycle of Winchester today and >saw the new Phoenix jacket. Same venting and armor as the old one BUT with a >leather-like material (can't remember the brand name) over the top of the >shoulders and along the outsides of the sleeves. Looked like it would remove >the concerns about the mesh holding up during a slide. They had the new ones >at $199 and the old ones at $129... Sounds like the Reactor, not the Phoenix. I saw them in Atlanta before Thanksgiving. List on the Reactor is $189, so Valley is starting the gouging early. See http://www.joerocket.com/reactor_jacket.htm The Phoenix is unchanged except for colors. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 23:34:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g194YSO28078 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 1.a4.20da0023 (3926); Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:34:09 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:34:09 EST Subject: Re: Daytona bike week To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a4.20da0023.299600c1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_a4.20da0023.299600c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Pussy. In `82, or wuz it `83, I did the run to Daytona on a Suzuki GS550E. > Okay, I did take the scenic route 17 for awhile. In the rain. And the > hail - about a hours worth of ice pellets hammering my helmet north of the > NC/SC border. FUN! Then rain, all the way into Daytona. It stopped while > I was in a cheesy bar warming up. Slept on a picnic table at a rest stop > outside of Daytona that night. Got et up with sand fleas. FUN! Yeah...did all that stuff when I was a teenager. Then 11 years in the Army pretty much cured me of thinking sleeping in the cold and rain was fun. And I rode some pretty crappy bikes when I was starting out so I didn't mind too much if they were rusty and dirty from riding in the rain and through the winter. Now I pretty much hate highways when on a bike. If I get caught in the rain while I'm out I don't mind too much but I'm a big puss in bad weather now. And I was glad I was trailering my bike a couple of years ago coming back from Daytona when there were snowstorms here. Steve Broadstreet 01 ZX-9R "pussy rider" --part1_a4.20da0023.299600c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bhuson@XXXXXX writes:

Pussy.  In `82, or wuz it `83, I did the run to Daytona on a Suzuki GS550E.  Okay, I did take the scenic route 17 for awhile.  In the rain.  And the hail - about a hours worth of ice pellets hammering my helmet north of the NC/SC border.  FUN!  Then rain, all the way into Daytona.  It stopped while I was in a cheesy bar warming up.  Slept on a picnic table at a rest stop outside of Daytona that night.  Got et up with sand fleas.  FUN!


Yeah...did all that stuff when I was a teenager. Then 11 years in the Army pretty much cured me of thinking sleeping in the cold and rain was fun. And I rode some pretty crappy bikes when I was starting out so I didn't mind too much if they were rusty and dirty from riding in the rain and through the winter. Now I pretty much hate highways when on a bike. If I get caught in the rain while I'm out I don't mind too much but I'm a big puss in bad weather now. And I was glad I was trailering my bike a couple of years ago coming back from Daytona when there were snowstorms here.

Steve Broadstreet
01 ZX-9R  "pussy rider" --part1_a4.20da0023.299600c1_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 23:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g194ZRO28156 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id m.9c.1ab1db65 (3926); Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:35:14 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9c.1ab1db65.29960101@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:35:13 EST Subject: Re: Upgraded Joe Rocket Phoenix Jacket To: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9c.1ab1db65.29960101_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_9c.1ab1db65.29960101_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: > Sounds like the Reactor, not the Phoenix Sorry...I stand corrected. Steve --part1_9c.1ab1db65.29960101_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes:


Sounds like the Reactor, not the Phoenix


Sorry...I stand corrected.
Steve --part1_9c.1ab1db65.29960101_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 8 23:41:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g194fLO28199 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA10961 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:41:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA28413 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:41:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.7]) by smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GR910800.82S for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:40:56 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Dealers that Sell Suzuki Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01c1b123$d1bcd630$1606030a@d478406837> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <20020209040149.48467.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal I spend a lot of money at Loudoun MS. Great people to deal with. I just got a new exhaust system from them this week. Bike prices are a little on the high side, but that's the market in that area. They are usually pretty good on price compared with other metro dealers. Depends on if someone wants price or convenience. -----Original Message----- From: Scratch [mailto:iefbr142000@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:02 PM To: DCC Cc: pejmancbr600f3@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dealers that Sell Suzuki What about Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg? They sell Suzukis and seem like nice folks. I don't know any of the salesmen (they don't sell Triumphs), but you've got Dean in Service, and Russell in parts; both great guys, if you ever need them. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 9 01:05:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.107]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g19651O29562 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([68.50.28.71]) by femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020209060500.LOIT23770.femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:05:00 -0800 Message-ID: <3C64E66A.4B960235@home.com> Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 01:05:46 -0800 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pejman Taei CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Dealers that Sell Suzuki References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pejman Taei wrote: > Can you guys help me with a couple of good dealers for Suzuki. > I know of CyclesUSA, what else is there. Tks. Pejman, Go to American Suzuki's web site at: http://www.suzukicycles.com/ Then click on Dealers, and you'll grt to: http://www.suzukicycles.com/deal/dealfs.htm Just type in your Zip code and they'll zap ya' with the dealers in your area. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 9 07:30:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20109.mail.yahoo.com (web20109.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g19CUwO07697 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:30:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020209123057.2589.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 04:30:57 PST Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 04:30:57 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: Dealers that Sell Suzuki To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002f01c1b123$d1bcd630$1606030a@d478406837> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They *are* friendly enough but a mech made an elementary mistake on a wheel bearing change (hmm, I wonder how often shops do that anyway) but they quickly bought the replacement parts and re-installed them and gave me a coupon for an oil change. It was a decent solution and it'll probably be the last time that mech forgets about certain spacers in cb750 wheels. But I have to agree about their prices - rather stiff and 'discounts' aren't exactly in their vocab when compared with outfits 50 miles west of here. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! 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Remember, if you buy a bike that's too big and/or powerful at first, you can always lower the suspension for better seat height and restrict the motor for more manageable/safer power. Then as junior gets older/bigger/better-skilled or whatever, remove the alterations and let the bike hum. But upgrading a bike that's too small is far too expensive and a PITA. Just a suggestion. YMMV. It's you child, after all. And if you find a good deal on used four-stroke off-road bikes, forward me the link. I'm in the market for a dirt-y type thing-y right now. Quad, three-wheeler, dual-sport minus the street legality, what ever... Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 10 22:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com ([65.107.195.197]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1B3CaO10761 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by gothic.answerlogic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1LKRC4QW>; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:08:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: Han Park To: DC-Cycles , "'cbr@XXXXXX'" Subject: Garage Floor Coating Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:08:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'll be moving into at new house with a 2 car garage at the end of this month. I'm going to coat the garage floor (concrete) to deal with oil spills and improve the appearance. Right now it looks like there are two options, garage floor paint or garage floor epoxy paint. Has anyone had any experience with garage flooring and does anyone recommend any particular brand? Thanks. han From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 10 22:38:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1B3cNO11121 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-211.patriot.net [209.249.180.211]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1B3cJe19738; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:38:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3C673C46.4F0CFE52@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:36:38 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han Park CC: DC-Cycles , "'cbr@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Garage Floor Coating References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Painted mine about 15 years ago. The stinky part is the muriatic acid wash, altough there might be another option in our new and improved safticrat world. I used an epoxy resin paint as aopposed to epoxy paint. A true epoxy has to have a catylist added. Two part paints may require special equipment, respirator masks, boio-hazard space suits, etc. I'd bypass those paints and just clean the concrete and paint it. Mine has flaked off in spots, thinking about a redo. Oh yeah, check paint for traction. Might want to add fine sand to prevent the slippies when wet (water wet). Bill Han Park wrote: > I'll be moving into at new house with a 2 car garage at the end of > this month. I'm going to coat the garage floor (concrete) to deal with oil > spills and improve the appearance. Right now it looks like there are two > options, garage floor paint or garage floor epoxy paint. Has anyone had any > experience with garage flooring and does anyone recommend any particular > brand? Thanks. > > han From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 07:58:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from node1.fcps.k12.va.us (node1.fcps.k12.va.us [151.188.3.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BCwFO19467 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:58:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from there (falcon.fcps.edu [151.188.2.105]) by node1.fcps.k12.va.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA26904 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:58:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202111258.HAA26904@node1.fcps.k12.va.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tom de Reply-To: tdeboeser@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Garage Floor Coating Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:58:15 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've just moved in to my new home and wanted to do the same, but more than one person (construction types) told me to let the floor cure for a few years first. I haven't researched it any further (and I'm not a pro or a good amateur) the advise made sense, concrete takes years and years to cure. Tom De '98 VTR. On Sunday 10 February 2002 10:08 pm, Han Park wrote: > I'll be moving into at new house with a 2 car garage at the end of > this month. I'm going to coat the garage floor (concrete) to deal with oil > spills and improve the appearance. Right now it looks like there are two > options, garage floor paint or garage floor epoxy paint. Has anyone had > any experience with garage flooring and does anyone recommend any > particular brand? Thanks. > > han -- Tom De Boeser tom.deboeser@XXXXXX Senior Systems Engineer Dimension Data US www.didata.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 08:14:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from athena.nswc.navy.mil (athena.nswc.navy.mil [198.91.70.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BDEBO19695 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (relay.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.41]) by athena.nswc.navy.mil (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1BDE7p16647 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02452 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.20]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02426 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1TFPNZF3; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:14:03 -0500 Received: from 128.38.204.28 by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:14:03 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Received: by nswcdlvaex01.nswc.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1TF37Z35>; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:14:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: Gaske David G DLVA To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Garage Floor Coating Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:13:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I too am getting ready to do up the garage. I am probably going with Behr's floor paint. Supposedly it is the best residential stuff (i.e. it doesn't require special tools or a respirator to apply). I've seen it a the big orange box (Home Depot). If I don't go that route I have found a few different interlocking mats that might worth. But I think the paint is they way to go. The largest downside is warm tires stick and damage the surface so I will probably still get some sort of mat to park on. My $.03 <-- Cost Of Living Increase David Gaske '00 Sprint RS (yellow) Fredericksburg, Va. USA -----Original Message----- From: Tom de [mailto:tdeboeser@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:58 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Garage Floor Coating I've just moved in to my new home and wanted to do the same, but more than one person (construction types) told me to let the floor cure for a few years first. I haven't researched it any further (and I'm not a pro or a good amateur) the advise made sense, concrete takes years and years to cure. Tom De '98 VTR. On Sunday 10 February 2002 10:08 pm, Han Park wrote: > I'll be moving into at new house with a 2 car garage at the end of > this month. I'm going to coat the garage floor (concrete) to deal with oil > spills and improve the appearance. Right now it looks like there are two > options, garage floor paint or garage floor epoxy paint. Has anyone had > any experience with garage flooring and does anyone recommend any > particular brand? Thanks. > > han -- Tom De Boeser tom.deboeser@XXXXXX Senior Systems Engineer Dimension Data US www.didata.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 09:07:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14006.mail.yahoo.com (web14006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1BE7WO20626 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:07:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020211140729.92689.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.24] by web14006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:07:29 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:07:29 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Daytona bike week To: SBave@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <25.22c2230e.2995f81f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > I don't even like driving in a car that long on > 95...BORING! Perhaps this is the problem. Prolly doesn't have anything to do with a sport bike. > And on a sport bike there is the tire wear > thing...hate to wear a big flat > spot on the middle of the tire... I'd offer to swap tires halfway through the wear cycle, but I suspect neither of us would be happy with that. Soft tires don't last very long and hard tires don't have as much grip. The boss just told me that my business trip for March is approved. The first week will be in Florida, I love getting paid to ride to bike week. There's a stop in Colorado on the way home. 3 weeks on perdiem, 6000 miles at .35/mile, and a pay check on top of that. Leon. ZX6 (D model - the big comfy touring bike.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 09:19:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BEJXO20852 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:19:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Joe Rocket Phoenix Jacket Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:19:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cycle Sport in Herndon has the Phoenix on sale for $100. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Larson [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:34 PM To: SBave@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Upgraded Joe Rocket Phoenix Jacket At 11:07 PM 2/8/2002, SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > In case anyone is interested I was in Valley Cycle of Winchester today and >saw the new Phoenix jacket. Same venting and armor as the old one BUT with a >leather-like material (can't remember the brand name) over the top of the >shoulders and along the outsides of the sleeves. Looked like it would remove >the concerns about the mesh holding up during a slide. They had the new ones >at $199 and the old ones at $129... Sounds like the Reactor, not the Phoenix. I saw them in Atlanta before Thanksgiving. List on the Reactor is $189, so Valley is starting the gouging early. See http://www.joerocket.com/reactor_jacket.htm The Phoenix is unchanged except for colors. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 09:20:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BEKKO20929 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-103.patriot.net [209.249.180.103]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BEKEe00771; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:20:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3C67D29D.6D3EEC04@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:18:05 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gaske David G DLVA CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Garage Floor Coating References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gaske David G DLVA wrote: > I too am getting ready to do up the garage. I am probably going with Behr's > floor paint. Supposedly it is the best residential stuff (i.e. it doesn't > require special tools or a respirator to apply). I've seen it a the big > orange box (Home Depot). If I don't go that route I have found a few > different interlocking mats that might worth. But I think the paint is they > way to go. The largest downside is warm tires stick and damage the surface > so I will probably still get some sort of mat to park on. Hmmm... I used Behrs and I never had the warm tire ssticking prob. Then again, I've got so many toys and tools in the garage I can't recall the last time I actually pulled a car in there. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 09:25:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BEPEO20968 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:25:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:25:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200202110925.AA195756618@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Garage Floor Coating X-Mailer: What is the purpose of painting a concrete garage floor? It seems like one more thing to do, and to have to maintain. With these concerns about dangerous paint fumes, low traction, paint peeling, and warm tires pulling up the paint -- it makes plain ol' concrete sound pretty good. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 09:41:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BEfSO21264 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:41:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:41:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200202110941.AA122159642@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: 22-yrs for killing biker X-Mailer: http://www.chieftain.com/saturday/news/index/article/16 Pueblo motorist sentenced to 22 years for hit-run death By TRACY HARMON The Pueblo Chieftain CANON CITY - A Pueblo man was sentenced Friday to 22 years in prison in connection with the hit-and-run accident that claimed the life of a motorcyclist on U.S. 50 near Penrose in May. Abel C. Acosta, 25, of Pueblo, pleaded guilty in November to vehicular homicide and leaving the scene of a fatal accident. Acosta hit and killed motorcyclist Steve Luther, 38, of Penrose when he rear-ended the motorcycle with his pickup truck as both were driving east on U.S. 50. Acosta was driving an estimated 80-90 mph and Luther, who was not wearing a helmet, was driving an estimated 60-65 mph when he was hit by the pickup and thrown off the motorcycle, suffering head and internal injuries. Acosta fled the scene of the accident, driving 14 miles with the cycle embedded in the truck's grille and leaving a "skid mark from the front tire of the motorcycle that weaved back and forth across both lanes of the highway," according to Colorado State Patrol Trooper Brian Lyons. Acosta abandoned the truck near Pueblo West and fled on foot. He was arrested the following day when he surrendered to authorities. Luther's widow Dawn Varian told the court that she had to tell their son Dakota, 8, about his father's death. She said the family's suffering is great and it angers her to see Acosta "sitting there alive and well, knowing what he has taken from us." Lyons also testified that Luther's body left an impact on the truck's hood. "How could you not see that?" argued Deputy District Attorney Marty Barta in response to Acosta's statement that he didn't know he had hit someone. Judge John Anderson said he found the "two offenses are aggravated beyond belief. The defendant has not been telling the truth when he recites he did not realize he hit anything. "If he had been blindfolded, he would have realized he hit something, and it is shocking to the court that (Acosta) would maintain this story," Anderson said From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 09:52:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BEqMO21518 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:53:07 -0500 Received: by hqex.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1D8ZG778>; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:52:19 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Traction Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:51:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just ask Arnold Schwarzenegger, who insists that he learned everything he needed to know about surviving his recent motorcycle crash from his rough roles in the "Terminator" flicks..... I was always under the impression that rubber has a lot more traction than plastic or metal From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 09:53:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13005.mail.yahoo.com (web13005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1BErLO21528 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:53:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020211145320.25196.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.122.13] by web13005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:53:20 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:53:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: 22-yrs for killing biker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200202110941.AA122159642@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Norloff wrote: > http://www.chieftain.com/saturday/news/index/article/16 > > Pueblo motorist sentenced to 22 years for hit-run death > By TRACY HARMON > The Pueblo Chieftain One thing we were talking about on the COG list... why did they feel the need to include "Luther, who was not wearing a helmet, was driving an estimated 60-65 mph." It's not like they reported whether or not the truck driver was wearing his seat belt or anything like that. Still, it's good to know the driver didn't get a slap on the wrist like in some other cases. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 10:03:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BF39O21737 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:04:01 -0500 Received: by hqex.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1D8ZG8G9>; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:03:13 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX'" Subject: Bike Friendly Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:02:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Something about being stranded in the middle >of South Carolina just isn't appealing!!! How about that for a profile! South Carolina is as bike friendly as any other state, it's just flat around the 95 thoroughfare. Stick around the speed limit and you'll be fine. Don't they assemble Goldwings down there? I travel down to Florida quite often and ALWAYS stop in S.C. right around Santee, there's a Best Western on the east side of 95 that is really nice. Single level, so you can park your bike right in front of your room. There's food and fuel right around the corner and a small outlet mall across the street. I highly recommend it. gb From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 10:03:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BF3WO21747 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.12.1a31353c (16933) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:03:02 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12.1a31353c.29993725@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:03:01 EST Subject: Re: Dirt bikes and such To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/10/2002 9:13:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, tfaigle@XXXXXX writes: > the Suzuki 50 The Suzuki (I think it was the suzi) comes (or did come) with little fork extenders and you could re-position the rear shocks to make the bike bigger. And do not expect the salesperson to know. Do not know if that helps. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 10:33:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BFXuO22268 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GRD00F01KHVA4@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:32:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GRD00DEVKHURL@XXXXXX>; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:32:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GRD00F01KHRN8@XXXXXX>; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:32:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GRD00E5RKHBO1@XXXXXX>; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:32:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:31:58 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Daytona bike week To: Leon Begeman Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C67E3EE.6989A92D@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020211140729.92689.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > The first week will be in Florida, I > love getting paid to ride to bike week. There's a > stop in Colorado on the way home. 3 weeks on perdiem, > 6000 miles at .35/mile, and a pay check on top of > that. Oh, how I hate you! Hork PS: Oh yeah, are you guys hiring? :) -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 10:47:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f85.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BFlsO22527 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:36:16 -0800 Received: from 64.241.20.131 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:36:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.241.20.131] From: "Razz Man" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Garage Floor Coating Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:36:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2002 15:36:16.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8138B60:01C1B311] I coated my new garage with urethane. It was done in 3 stages (primer,basecoat,topcoat). Guarenteed 10 yrs agains pealing and chipping. Resists solvents, added sand to final coat for wet traction. This is very expensive but beats other treatments hands down. A few listers have seen it, it looks very nice. Razz 99 ZX9R 89 LTD454 86 LTD454 References: > >Painted mine about 15 years ago. The stinky part is the muriatic acid >wash, >altough there might be another option in our new and improved safticrat >world. >I used an epoxy resin paint as aopposed to epoxy paint. A true epoxy has >to >have a catylist added. Two part paints may require special equipment, >respirator masks, boio-hazard space suits, etc. I'd bypass those paints >and >just clean the concrete and paint it. Mine has flaked off in spots, >thinking >about a redo. Oh yeah, check paint for traction. Might want to add fine >sand >to prevent the slippies when wet (water wet). > >Bill > > >Han Park wrote: > > > I'll be moving into at new house with a 2 car garage at the end >of > > this month. I'm going to coat the garage floor (concrete) to deal with >oil > > spills and improve the appearance. Right now it looks like there are >two > > options, garage floor paint or garage floor epoxy paint. Has anyone had >any > > experience with garage flooring and does anyone recommend any particular > > brand? Thanks. > > > > han > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 10:52:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BFqsO22631 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g1BFqpw25934; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:52:52 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 22-yrs for killing biker Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:52:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020211145320.25196.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020211145320.25196.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02021110525106.02942@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 11 February 2002 09:53, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > One thing we were talking about on the COG list... why did they feel the > need to include "Luther, who was not wearing a helmet, was driving an > estimated 60-65 mph." It's not like they reported whether or not the truck > driver was wearing his seat belt or anything like that. Hmm, I disagree. If I'm watching the news or reading the paper and there's a story about a car accident, they usually do mention if an injured person was not wearing their seatbelt. They usually don't say anything about the uninjured in regard to belt usage, as was the case in this story. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 11:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20102.mail.yahoo.com (web20102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1BGJSO23092 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:19:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020211161926.50039.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:19:26 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:19:26 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: big accident on 395 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <02021110525106.02942@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone have a story on the big (6-engine) accident last night on 395 northbound at around Duke Street? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 11:44:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BGiJO23494 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-40-130.s130.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.130] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16aJYs-0001yJ-00; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:44:14 -0500 Message-ID: <025501c1b31c$21d2bdc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <20020211145320.25196.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> <02021110525106.02942@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Subject: Re: 22-yrs for killing biker Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:46:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" To: "Louis F. Caplan" ; Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: Re: 22-yrs for killing biker > On Monday 11 February 2002 09:53, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > > One thing we were talking about on the COG list... why did they feel the > > need to include "Luther, who was not wearing a helmet, was driving an > > estimated 60-65 mph." It's not like they reported whether or not the truck > > driver was wearing his seat belt or anything like that. > > Hmm, I disagree. If I'm watching the news or reading the paper and there's a > story about a car accident, they usually do mention if an injured person was > not wearing their seatbelt. They usually don't say anything about the > uninjured in regard to belt usage, as was the case in this story. > > - Roach Absolutely. If someone is thrown from the vehicle in a crash of similar magnitude as this one you can bet the news reports would mention that. News organizations often get this stuff from the police. If I recall correctly, this was one of the NAMS (National Agenda for Motorcycle Safety) recommendations: a standardized police accident report format that will gather data consistently about the motorcyclist's safety gear. I find it useful when media reports mention whether riders were wearing helmets or not. It's an important part of the education process, it seems to me, if riders are expected to make informed choices about helmet use. Since the Commonwealth might be consigning its helmet law to the dustbin in this session this is not just an academic question anymore. That's not to say that this man would have survived with a helmet on, but those stories rarely get reported. You don't see "Helmeted rider escapes serious injury" stories on the newspaper. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 11:50:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BGoJO23657 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GRD00001O3MRT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:50:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GRD000A9O3L0R@XXXXXX>; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:50:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GRD00301O3GV4@XXXXXX>; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:50:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GRD00JLCO38VO@XXXXXX>; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:49:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:49:54 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: 22-yrs for killing biker To: Paul Wilson Cc: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C67F632.7FB923ED@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020211145320.25196.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> <02021110525106.02942@XXXXXX> <025501c1b31c$21d2bdc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > > You don't see "Helmeted rider escapes > serious injury" stories on the newspaper. That's because it doesn't get a chance to make the news. We just dust ourselves off, stop the bleeding noses, wait for the pulse to return to normal, wait for the hands to stop shaking, pick up our bikes and assorted bike parts that are lying around, toss them in the remaining saddlebag, and limp on home. DAMHIK,IJK,OK? :) Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 13:35:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f116.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.116]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BIZZO25356 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:23:32 -0800 Received: from 63.75.33.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:23:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.75.33.2] From: "Pejman Taei" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: '02 Suzuki GSX-R 750...Suggestions??? Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:23:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2002 18:23:32.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[3654C240:01C1B329] Hey guys, I have a 95 600 F3, I put about 7K on it, I am looking at getting a newer bike, preferably the GSX-R 750, what are some of your suggestions on this. I know there is going to be a tremendous amount of difference between the two bikes, but do you guys recommend this bike, I was also looking at the R6, but I think I want to take a step up from a 600, I want your suggestions to make sure that this bike is something I can handle...if I respect the throttle, what do you think? Thanks, PJ 1995 Honda CBR 600F3 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 14:14:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BJEbO26024 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g1BJHIt17793 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:17:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:09:14 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:10:30 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: '02 Suzuki GSX-R 750...Suggestions??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1BJEhO26025 PJ, A modern 600 will have at least 10 to 20 more HP than your F3, but if you are looking for more mid-range a 750 will certainly fit the need. Both the GSXR 750 and the R6 are more race focused and may not be as comfy as your Honda though. As to respecting the throttle? Can you? If I was going to pick either for street use, I would go for the 750. For street riding its nice to just use 1 or 2 gears when riding in the twisties and opposed to working the gear box on a 600. George Cole 01 FZ1 99 R6 >>> "Pejman Taei" 02/11/02 01:23PM >>> Hey guys, I have a 95 600 F3, I put about 7K on it, I am looking at getting a newer bike, preferably the GSX-R 750, what are some of your suggestions on this. I know there is going to be a tremendous amount of difference between the two bikes, but do you guys recommend this bike, I was also looking at the R6, but I think I want to take a step up from a 600, I want your suggestions to make sure that this bike is something I can handle...if I respect the throttle, what do you think? Thanks, PJ 1995 Honda CBR 600F3 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 15:04:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BK4hO26796 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:04:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from compaqcomputer ([67.208.73.22]) by cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:03:26 -0800 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: '02 Suzuki GSX-R 750...Suggestions??? Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:05:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2002 20:03:26.0996 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B0D7540:01C1B337] The gsxr750 is a legend. A very powerful bike. Between the r6 and the gsxr750, id pick the r6. I think its purdier. Of course you could always go liter bike.. Gsxr1000, r1, 954rr. If you dont want to work the gear box as much go for the bigger displacement. You dont have to ride the liter bikes faster than the 600's. I can ride my r1 as slow as i want, without any problems. Ive riden the r6 and the gsxr750, i liked the way the r6 handled, it seemed easier to ride faster. Ricardo http://www.pileofgarbage.com Hey guys, I have a 95 600 F3, I put about 7K on it, I am looking at getting a newer bike, preferably the GSX-R 750, what are some of your suggestions on this. I know there is going to be a tremendous amount of difference between the two bikes, but do you guys recommend this bike, I was also looking at the R6, but I think I want to take a step up from a 600, I want your suggestions to make sure that this bike is something I can handle...if I respect the throttle, what do you think? Thanks, PJ 1995 Honda CBR 600F3 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 15:10:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from fcps1.org (mail.fcps1.org [207.199.171.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BKAKO26895 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher [192.168.7.12] by fcps1.org (SMTPD32-7.05) id A4C022400E6; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:08:32 -0500 Message-ID: <019001c1b338$65815600$0c07a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: bodywork repair Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:12:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Does anyone know of a good place/person locally to get bodywork repaired? Thanks, Danny '02 XR 250R '00 SV (racebike) '98 Superhawk '01 Shadow ACE Tourer www.onewayracing.org ...................................... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 15:23:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20110.mail.yahoo.com (web20110.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1BKNuO27139 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:23:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020211202355.21248.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:23:55 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:23:55 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thursday the 14th. 11:45 at the California Pizza Kitchen across from the brewery (where we met last time) in Shirlington. That sound good to everyone? I'll make a reservation for about 10. Let me know (privately) if there is a major problem with the date or venue. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 15:27:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BKRrO27237 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w068 ([168.144.108.68]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:27:54 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: bodywork repair Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:27:47 -0500 To: "danthompson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2002 20:27:54.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[95C1B6A0:01C1B33A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1BKRtO27238 Danny, You might try Noah at Better Off Bodyworks (Triangle/Dumfries, VA). He does both m/c painting and bodywork repair. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Danny Thompson danthompson@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:12:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bodywork repair Does anyone know of a good place/person locally to get bodywork repaired? Thanks, Danny '02 XR 250R '00 SV (racebike) '98 Superhawk '01 Shadow ACE Tourer www.onewayracing.org ..................................... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 16:04:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13006.mail.yahoo.com (web13006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1BL4EO27792 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:04:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020211210413.98560.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.61.162.84] by web13006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:04:13 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:04:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020211202355.21248.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a 1 pm meeting in Falls Church, so may have to bail a little early, but it's better than Friday when I have to be in NYC. What's the parking like there (for bikes and/or cars?) Thanks for setting things up. Louis --- matthew patton wrote: > Thursday the 14th. 11:45 at the California Pizza Kitchen across from > the brewery (where we met last time) in Shirlington. That sound good to > everyone? I'll make a reservation for about 10. Let me know (privately) > if there is a major problem with the date or venue. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 16:08:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20107.mail.yahoo.com (web20107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1BL8GO27880 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:08:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020211210815.95711.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:08:15 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:08:15 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020211210413.98560.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > What's the parking like there (for bikes and/or cars?) Parking at lunch time in front of the various restaurants is often iffy. But behind the line of stores and behind the theator at the end of the block are HUGE parking lots. I've been informed by one lister that the Cali Pizza Kitchen is no longer. I'll check it out tonight and see what *IS* there. 2nd choice would be the brewery I think where we met last time. (yeah, yeah bikes and beer and all that) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 16:16:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14007.mail.yahoo.com (web14007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1BLGTO28043 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:16:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020211211627.35635.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.24] by web14007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:16:27 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:16:27 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: bodywork repair To: Danny Thompson , "D.C. Cycles" In-Reply-To: <019001c1b338$65815600$0c07a8c0@lhs149teacher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kevin O'Grince in Aden. Does good work, can't trust his estimates though. I'm having my nephew's Firebird repainted, it started out as just a fender replacement, but it's ending up being a very nice restoration. 703-594-2074 Yes, he does bikes, too. Leon. --- Danny Thompson wrote: > Does anyone know of a good place/person locally to > get bodywork repaired? > Thanks, > Danny > '02 XR 250R > '00 SV (racebike) > '98 Superhawk > '01 Shadow ACE Tourer > www.onewayracing.org > ...................................... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 16:19:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1BLJlO28053 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:19:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020211211946.59325.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:19:46 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:19:46 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: non-MC: legal question To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry about the non-MC post, but I have a legal question regarding reservations I made for an Inn for my wedding in June. We reserved an Inn with a large outdoor deck, on which the ceremony and pre-dinner cocktails would take place. It also has a "Great Room" where we would have dancing. Now the Inn is going to totally enclose the deck with a glass atrium, which in itself I am not happy about because my fiance and I wanted an outdoor wedding. The Inn now says that we either have to pay them an additional $850 or else we can't use the atrium, so our entire ceremony/cocktails/dinner reception would have to be in their Great Room. We signed a contract, I believe it specifically states that we have use of all of their facilities. I feel like I am being bullied into paying the $850 since they know we can't cram everything into one room. The fact that they are taking away my outdoor wedding really pissed me off, the $850 is an expensive additional slap in the face. My question is - what do you legal Eagles out there think? Can they make us pay the $850 for the new atrium rental, and more importantly, would there be a way that we could make them put off adding the atrium until after our wedding? We specifically rented this facility because of the outdoor deck, we don't want to be married inside. Thanks!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 17:58:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1BMwKO29595 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-107-234.s1504.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.107.234] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16aPOt-0002xC-00; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:58:19 -0500 Message-ID: <00cd01c1b350$38221d80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "matthew patton" , "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: References: <20020211210815.95711.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:01:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I had no problem wedging in between two cages (semi-legally)** the last time we lunched at the Brew pub at Shirlington. Their are no painted parking stalls along the island in the middle. If they paint the stalls they can nail for "double parking" I suppose. **Not sure if Arlington has that "must park parallel to the curb" nonsense. I got written up for that in Alexandria once. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" > --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > > What's the parking like there (for bikes and/or cars?) > > Parking at lunch time in front of the various restaurants is often > iffy. But behind the line of stores and behind the theator at the end > of the block are HUGE parking lots. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 18:02:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1BN1xO29667 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:01:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020211230158.1233.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:01:58 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:01:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: non-MC: legal question To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020211211946.59325.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i suggest you read the entire contract (as it will govern the relationship) and report back on what you find as it relates to the space you rented and the remedy provided to each party for a breach/default by the other.... some consider it risky and innappropriate to give you legal advice on this list; but it would be even more innappropriate to do so without knowing all of the relevant facts! --- stephen cutchins wrote: > Sorry about the non-MC post, but I have a legal > question regarding reservations I made for an Inn for > my wedding in June. > > We reserved an Inn with a large outdoor deck, on which > the ceremony and pre-dinner cocktails would take > place. It also has a "Great Room" where we would have > dancing. Now the Inn is going to totally enclose the > deck with a glass atrium, which in itself I am not > happy about because my fiance and I wanted an outdoor > wedding. The Inn now says that we either have to pay > them an additional $850 or else we can't use the > atrium, so our entire ceremony/cocktails/dinner > reception would have to be in their Great Room. > > We signed a contract, I believe it specifically states > that we have use of all of their facilities. > > I feel like I am being bullied into paying the $850 > since they know we can't cram everything into one > room. The fact that they are taking away my outdoor > wedding really pissed me off, the $850 is an expensive > additional slap in the face. > > My question is - what do you legal Eagles out there > think? Can they make us pay the $850 for the new > atrium rental, and more importantly, would there be a > way that we could make them put off adding the atrium > until after our wedding? We specifically rented this > facility because of the outdoor deck, we don't want to > be married inside. > > Thanks!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 19:56:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1C0uIO01472 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:56:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020212005617.86320.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.178.6] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:56:16 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:56:16 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: non-MC: legal question To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020211230158.1233.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks in advance for any help, Tom!! Btw if anyone wants me to take this discussion offline then let me know. The contract specifically states that "hereby lease and make arrangements at the Inn for the following function: wedding rehearsal dinner, ceremony, and reception." It also states that the "deck (including gazebos)" are some of the rooms to be used for the function. The only provision stated about breach relates to us: "If a renter is found to be in non compliance with any regulations as set forth herein, after reasonable warnings, the Inn staff member may immediately terminate the event and the Inn will retain the entire fee payment and damage deposit." and "The Inn reserves the right to terminate, at the renter's forfeiture of rental fees and damage deposit, any rental reservation at any time if the renter is found to be in non-compliance with the rental policy and procedures." I have two beefs with them. The biggest is that we paid for a wedding at their site BECAUSE we could have an outdoor wedding there. They knew that was our primary desire, in fact they even took pictures of my fiance and I, with my camera, outside on the deck so we could have a sense of scale for the deck. The second beef is that they now say that we have to pay an extra $850 or we can't use the new atrium that happens to be sitting on top of the deck that our contract specifically says we can use. And this atrium will be sitting on top of the deck, by the way, they are not removing the deck at all. Thanks a ton!! --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i suggest you read the entire contract (as it will > govern > the relationship) and report back on what you find > as it > relates to the space you rented and the remedy > provided to > each party for a breach/default by the other.... > > some consider it risky and innappropriate to give > you legal > advice on this list; but it would be even more > innappropriate to do so without knowing all of the > relevant > facts! > > > > > --- stephen cutchins > wrote: > > Sorry about the non-MC post, but I have a legal > > question regarding reservations I made for an Inn > for > > my wedding in June. > > > > We reserved an Inn with a large outdoor deck, on > which > > the ceremony and pre-dinner cocktails would take > > place. It also has a "Great Room" where we would > have > > dancing. Now the Inn is going to totally enclose > the > > deck with a glass atrium, which in itself I am not > > happy about because my fiance and I wanted an > outdoor > > wedding. The Inn now says that we either have to > pay > > them an additional $850 or else we can't use the > > atrium, so our entire ceremony/cocktails/dinner > > reception would have to be in their Great Room. > > > > We signed a contract, I believe it specifically > states > > that we have use of all of their facilities. > > > > I feel like I am being bullied into paying the > $850 > > since they know we can't cram everything into one > > room. The fact that they are taking away my > outdoor > > wedding really pissed me off, the $850 is an > expensive > > additional slap in the face. > > > > My question is - what do you legal Eagles out > there > > think? Can they make us pay the $850 for the new > > atrium rental, and more importantly, would there > be a > > way that we could make them put off adding the > atrium > > until after our wedding? We specifically rented > this > > facility because of the outdoor deck, we don't > want to > > be married inside. > > > > Thanks!! > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 21:14:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1C2EdO02737 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-64.157.48.50.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([64.157.48.50] helo=ix.netcom.com) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16aSSb-0006hW-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:14:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3C687A14.3000008@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:12:36 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Night reminder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a reminder that we're doing an "informal" Bike Night this Saturday (Feb 16th) at CarPool in Arlington, VA. Starts at 6pm and goes until whenever. No reserved m/c parking. More of an excuse for listers and other m/c riders to socialize rather than a motorcycle gathering. Details on the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. CarPool gets crowded on the weekends so come late at the risk of having to wait in line outside for a while. And don't forget CarPool's policy of 21 and older and a valid picture ID. Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 11 23:22:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from 2kemail.k-kdom.nishanet.com ([63.168.126.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1C4MoO05065 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from brownleeb.nishanet.com (unverified [204.94.239.173]) by 2kemail.k-kdom.nishanet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.194) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:20:08 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20020211192132.00a9c388@63.168.126.2> X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:26:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: Garage Floor Coating In-Reply-To: <200202120000.g1C001s00625@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed i put down one of the epoxy coats, Epoxitech Epoxy Shield, which I guess is a Rustoleum product, about 8 months ago. Its a great finish, and if you believe the advertising, it allows the floor to 'breathe' (unlike paints) and is as strong as urathane. i got coverage of about 4-500 ft-sq out of a package that cost about $60 at Lowes. Performance wise, its pretty good. It doesnt scratch easily (unlike urathane, it goes down in a very thin coat). Only problem i have had is it pulling up in places where i didnt get it clean enough (my fault) and where i tried to add a second coat (again, my fault, strictly against instructions).... It says it bonds well to clean concrete but not to itself. Places where i didnt get up all the old oil stains, or places where a sticky spill (like, uhhhh, for example, beer) have pulled up on my very smooth floor. Next time, i might spend the money and do urathane, but this went down easy and didnt require any special handling and cleaned up with water. Still, sure is nice to have a clean floor to work on and easy to clean up..... From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 08:35:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CDZxO13653 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.2f.223fc103 (4254) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:35:43 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <2f.223fc103.299a742e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:35:42 EST Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/11/2002 5:59:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > I had no problem wedging in between two cages (semi-legally)** the last time > we lunched at the Brew pub at Shirlington. Man I have watched people park there. It looks like a bumper car track, back till you hit something, pull forward till you hit, pull back.... The first floor and a half of the parking garage is free and available, I highly recommend it. John: who worked in Shirlington until last Friday. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 09:05:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13801.mail.yahoo.com (web13801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1CE55O14158 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:05:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020212140459.84901.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:04:59 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:04:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Honda Magna Rider in an accident this AM? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you are on this list, I hope everything is ok. This morning, I helped a nice guy pick up his Magna on Penn. Ave and about 21st Street. Sounds like it was a one-person affair and no one was hurt. Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 09:10:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13804.mail.yahoo.com (web13804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1CEAYO14194 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:10:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020212141033.78156.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:10:33 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:10:33 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Bike Night reminder To: the_penas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3C687A14.3000008@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chuck: Will a copy of your "Letter to the Editor" at the Washington Post substitute as a picture ID??? --- Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > Just a reminder that we're doing an "informal" Bike > Night this Saturday > (Feb 16th) at CarPool in Arlington, VA. Starts at > 6pm and goes until > whenever. No reserved m/c parking. More of an > excuse for listers and > other m/c riders to socialize rather than a > motorcycle gathering. > Details on the website > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. CarPool gets > crowded on the weekends so come late at the risk of > having to wait in > line outside for a while. And don't forget > CarPool's policy of 21 and > older and a valid picture ID. > > Chuck > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 09:35:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CEZ2O14771 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:35:02 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaVSoU7dZw2fQFH14PyVhJJiZPWVlWcV4z/53aEvdR+yM3qcHDu9ht1B/Hs29IAwCw= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ae1N-0002vC-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:35:01 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Bike Night reminder Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:33:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020212141033.78156.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Just in case anyone missed it (scroll down after open link). http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42684-2002Feb7.html --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:11 AM > To: the_penas@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike Night reminder > > > Chuck: > > Will a copy of your "Letter to the Editor" at the > Washington Post substitute as a picture ID??? > > > --- Chuck and Karen Pena > wrote: > > Just a reminder that we're doing an "informal" Bike > > Night this Saturday > > (Feb 16th) at CarPool in Arlington, VA. Starts at > > 6pm and goes until > > whenever. No reserved m/c parking. More of an > > excuse for listers and > > other m/c riders to socialize rather than a > > motorcycle gathering. > > Details on the website > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. CarPool gets > > crowded on the weekends so come late at the risk of > > having to wait in > > line outside for a while. And don't forget > > CarPool's policy of 21 and > > older and a valid picture ID. > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 09:54:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CEsvO15100 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-139.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.139] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16aeKP-0007Rw-00; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:54:41 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020212095339.00afaff8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:55:48 -0500 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Bike Night reminder In-Reply-To: References: <20020212141033.78156.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Will a copy of your "Letter to the Editor" at the > > Washington Post substitute as a picture ID??? But you'll notice we never see the FZR in his newspaper sig or mentioned as a credential on the tube. The man *is* modest. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 10:04:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CF4IO15334 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:04:18 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb7CKRIie19P6H+QO2av76L18rhXnpzG6ZblWarzKLtLDrSX+D5kj4dkxQid8gxlvs= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16aeTh-0002EQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:04:17 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Bike Night reminder Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:03:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020212095339.00afaff8@mail.9netave.com> Importance: Normal that's why I did a quick search--trying to embarrass the usually poised Mr. Pena. > But you'll notice we never see the FZR in his newspaper sig or > mentioned as > a credential on the tube. The man *is* modest. > > -- Larry > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 11:18:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1CGIPO16698 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:18:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020212161817.40390.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:18:17 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Motorcycles on Speedvision To: affiliate@XXXXXX, listings@XXXXXX, advertising@XXXXXX, bikeweek@XXXXXX Cc: CBR List , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I subscribe to premium cable for motorcycle racing on Speedvision. This is the ONLY reason I subscribe to cable. I contacted Speedvision some time ago regarding my concern that the channel was heading towards NASCARvision, but I was assured that Speedvision (now Speedchannel) "cares about it's motorcycle viewers" and will continue with its current motorcycle-related programming. Every Sunday night I used to watch motorcycle races on Speedvision. Every Tuesday night I used to watch motorcycle races on Speedvision as part of its "Two Wheeled Tuesday" coverage. >From your web page: "Watch Speedvision on Tuesday nights for awesome international motorcycle racing and historical documentaries! Check out "Two-Wheel Tuesday" 7 p.m.-11 p.m. ET." Today is Tuesday, and in place of Two Wheeled Tuesday tonight you are showing Nascar Preview 2002 for THREE HOURS. What about AMA Superbike Preview 2002? Or World Superbike Preview 2002? Or MotoGP Preview 2002? Is Two Wheeled Tuesday now NASCAR Tuesday? This coming Sunday night, instead of watching motorcycle racing as usual, I will have to watch NASCAR Tech and NASCAR Past Champions. It is obvious that Speedvision is abandoning motorcyclists. You informed me that you would keep your current motorcycle-related programming, but you have not. Have you lied? Stephen Cutchins __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 11:24:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CGOFO16841 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from nycmny1-ar1-4-3-094-058.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.94.58] helo=Emulator) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16afj2-0005It-00; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:24:12 -0800 From: "Dann" To: cbr@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:24:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [cbr] Motorcycles on Speedvision Reply-to: nospamwantedhere@XXXXXX CC: CBR List , DC Cycles Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020212161817.40390.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: Bloody hell... Even though I dont get Speed Vision I feel like cutting and pasting this off to them... > I subscribe to premium cable for motorcycle racing on > Speedvision. This is the ONLY reason I subscribe to > cable. I contacted Speedvision some time ago > regarding my concern that the channel was heading > towards NASCARvision, but I was assured that > Speedvision (now Speedchannel) "cares about it's > motorcycle viewers" and will continue with its current > motorcycle-related programming. > > Every Sunday night I used to watch motorcycle races on > Speedvision. Every Tuesday night I used to watch > motorcycle races on Speedvision as part of its "Two > Wheeled Tuesday" coverage. > > From your web page: "Watch Speedvision on Tuesday > nights for awesome international motorcycle racing and > historical documentaries! Check out "Two-Wheel > Tuesday" 7 p.m.-11 p.m. ET." > > Today is Tuesday, and in place of Two Wheeled Tuesday > tonight you are showing Nascar Preview 2002 for THREE > HOURS. What about AMA Superbike Preview 2002? Or > World Superbike Preview 2002? Or MotoGP Preview 2002? > Is Two Wheeled Tuesday now NASCAR Tuesday? > > > This coming Sunday night, instead of watching > motorcycle racing as usual, I will have to watch > NASCAR Tech and NASCAR Past Champions. > > It is obvious that Speedvision is abandoning > motorcyclists. You informed me that you would keep > your current motorcycle-related programming, but you > have not. Have you lied? > > Stephen Cutchins - Dann Soon to be back on the road 2000 CBR 600F4 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 11:41:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CGfMO17093 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:41:22 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZv4gCLm4UbEoB+PkCfJg/O22+if1vitz6hhQshXtL83msqKUDXrO4YyT/hUJ+HMmQ= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16afzd-0002cl-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:41:21 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Motorcycles on Speedvision Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:40:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020212161817.40390.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal I'm writing a similiar letter, cc:ing my cable company w/ an implicit threat to canx all cable. Thanks for the addressees, Stephen. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen cutchins [mailto:stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:18 AM > To: affiliate@XXXXXX; listings@XXXXXX; > advertising@XXXXXX; bikeweek@XXXXXX > Cc: CBR List; DC Cycles > Subject: Motorcycles on Speedvision > > > I subscribe to premium cable for motorcycle racing on > Speedvision. This is the ONLY reason I subscribe to > cable. I contacted Speedvision some time ago > regarding my concern that the channel was heading > towards NASCARvision, but I was assured that > Speedvision (now Speedchannel) "cares about it's > motorcycle viewers" and will continue with its current > motorcycle-related programming. > > Every Sunday night I used to watch motorcycle races on > Speedvision. Every Tuesday night I used to watch > motorcycle races on Speedvision as part of its "Two > Wheeled Tuesday" coverage. > > From your web page: "Watch Speedvision on Tuesday > nights for awesome international motorcycle racing and > historical documentaries! Check out "Two-Wheel > Tuesday" 7 p.m.-11 p.m. ET." > > Today is Tuesday, and in place of Two Wheeled Tuesday > tonight you are showing Nascar Preview 2002 for THREE > HOURS. What about AMA Superbike Preview 2002? Or > World Superbike Preview 2002? Or MotoGP Preview 2002? > Is Two Wheeled Tuesday now NASCAR Tuesday? > > > This coming Sunday night, instead of watching > motorcycle racing as usual, I will have to watch > NASCAR Tech and NASCAR Past Champions. > > It is obvious that Speedvision is abandoning > motorcyclists. You informed me that you would keep > your current motorcycle-related programming, but you > have not. Have you lied? > > Stephen Cutchins > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 11:51:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CGpEO17334 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-139.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.139] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ag96-0005e9-00; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:51:08 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020212114223.00b160f0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:52:15 -0500 To: affiliate@XXXXXX, listings@XXXXXX, advertising@XXXXXX, bikeweek@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Motorcycles on Speedvision In-Reply-To: <20020212161817.40390.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear Speed Channel, The below feelings are shared by many. My wife and I have both premium cable and DirectTV, for the primary purpose of watching GP/ WSB motorcycle racing, Formula 1 racing, WSC endurance racing, and World Rally, plus a handful of related shows, specifically BikeWeek. We are not interested in oval racing in any form, particularly NASCAR. We will watch no oval racing but the Indianapolis 500. Our friends share this attitude; indeed, we often watch racing events as a group, especially F1, SBK, WSC/ALS, and Moto GP. You seem to be abandoning your core viewers in a gamble to share a piece of the major networks' NASCAR pie. If NASCAR programming continues to dominate your evening schedule, I can assure you that Speed Channel will be deleted from our televisions programmed channel sequence. Please restore and expand your general racing coverage. Regards, Nancy Hughes and Larry Larson Alexandria, VA At 11:18 AM 2/12/2002, stephen cutchins wrote: >I subscribe to premium cable for motorcycle racing on >Speedvision. This is the ONLY reason I subscribe to >cable. I contacted Speedvision some time ago >regarding my concern that the channel was heading >towards NASCARvision, but I was assured that >Speedvision (now Speedchannel) "cares about it's >motorcycle viewers" and will continue with its current >motorcycle-related programming. > >Every Sunday night I used to watch motorcycle races on >Speedvision. Every Tuesday night I used to watch >motorcycle races on Speedvision as part of its "Two >Wheeled Tuesday" coverage. > > >From your web page: "Watch Speedvision on Tuesday >nights for awesome international motorcycle racing and >historical documentaries! Check out "Two-Wheel >Tuesday" 7 p.m.-11 p.m. ET." > >Today is Tuesday, and in place of Two Wheeled Tuesday >tonight you are showing Nascar Preview 2002 for THREE >HOURS. What about AMA Superbike Preview 2002? Or >World Superbike Preview 2002? Or MotoGP Preview 2002? > Is Two Wheeled Tuesday now NASCAR Tuesday? > > >This coming Sunday night, instead of watching >motorcycle racing as usual, I will have to watch >NASCAR Tech and NASCAR Past Champions. > >It is obvious that Speedvision is abandoning >motorcyclists. You informed me that you would keep >your current motorcycle-related programming, but you >have not. Have you lied? > >Stephen Cutchins > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 11:57:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CGv2O17432 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g1CGxit21192 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:59:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:51:43 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:52:55 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: RE: Motorcycles on Speedvision Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1CGv3O17433 Me too....er...wait Comcast in Mont Co doesn't offer the Speed Channel yet. I am sure once it becomes all NASCAR I will get it. >>> "Jon Strang" 02/12/02 11:40AM >>> >I'm writing a similiar letter, cc:ing my cable company w/ an implicit threat >o canx all cable. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 12:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CHA2O17671 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from M2W056 ([168.144.108.56]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:10:07 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Motorcycles on Speedvision Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:09:54 -0500 To: "stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX" , "affiliate@XXXXXX" , "listings@XXXXXX" , "advertising@XXXXXX" , "bikeweek@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2002 17:10:07.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EC58410:01C1B3E8] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1CHA3O17672 Dear Speedvision (soon to be Speed Channel), I would like to echo Mr. Crutchins concerns. I do not object to NASCAR being part of the Speed Channel line-up (even though I have no interest in NASCAR). But I strenuously object to NASCAR dominating the programming and pushing out other motorsports viewing. As viewers, we were assured by your management that you would maintain the current mix of motorsports programming to appeal to a broad range of enthusiasts. I subscribe to satellite TV and the only reason I have one of their expanded packages is so I can get Speedvision to watch WSB, MotoGP, and AMA motorcycle racing, Forumula 1, and endurance (Daytona, Sebring, Le Mans) racing. And during the off-season, I still want to be able to see this kind of programming (either last season's races or previews for this season). Contrary to popular belief, NASCAR is not the only racing that the American public wants to watch. If Speedvision/Speed Channel is essentially going to be the NASCAR channel, I just won't watch it anymore. Chuck Pena Arlington, VA Original Message: ----------------- From: stephen cutchins stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:18:17 -0800 (PST) To: affiliate@XXXXXX, listings@XXXXXX, advertising@XXXXXX, bikeweek@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycles on Speedvision I subscribe to premium cable for motorcycle racing on Speedvision. This is the ONLY reason I subscribe to cable. I contacted Speedvision some time ago regarding my concern that the channel was heading towards NASCARvision, but I was assured that Speedvision (now Speedchannel) "cares about it's motorcycle viewers" and will continue with its current motorcycle-related programming. Every Sunday night I used to watch motorcycle races on Speedvision. Every Tuesday night I used to watch motorcycle races on Speedvision as part of its "Two Wheeled Tuesday" coverage. >From your web page: "Watch Speedvision on Tuesday nights for awesome international motorcycle racing and historical documentaries! Check out "Two-Wheel Tuesday" 7 p.m.-11 p.m. ET." Today is Tuesday, and in place of Two Wheeled Tuesday tonight you are showing Nascar Preview 2002 for THREE HOURS. What about AMA Superbike Preview 2002? Or World Superbike Preview 2002? Or MotoGP Preview 2002? Is Two Wheeled Tuesday now NASCAR Tuesday? This coming Sunday night, instead of watching motorcycle racing as usual, I will have to watch NASCAR Tech and NASCAR Past Champions. It is obvious that Speedvision is abandoning motorcyclists. You informed me that you would keep your current motorcycle-related programming, but you have not. Have you lied? Stephen Cutchins __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 12:15:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from spaw1.hq.af.mil (spaw1.hq.af.mil [134.205.190.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CHFLO17824 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from atlantech.net (wlafpca-oax108.comm.hq.af.mil [134.205.80.60]) by spaw1.hq.af.mil (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA86764 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:13:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3C694DA1.8DA7AFF1@atlantech.net> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:15:14 -0500 From: Jim Shoemaker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycles on Speedvision References: <20020212161817.40390.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I don't see anything on the schedule for today when I click on "Today's Schedule". I also don't see any news updates since 11 Feb when they officially changed over to the SPEED Channel. Not even a link to the new (I assume there is one) site. Looks like that site has been abandoned. What url were you using. I was trying www.speedvision.com DirecTV lists Bike Week & Motorcyclist at 7:00 & 7:30 then 3 hours of NASCAR previews. How much can there be to talk about? Looks like this is the "new & improved" 2 wheel Tuesday :-( I'm pissed, but I'm not surprised. --Jim stephen cutchins wrote: > > > >From your web page: "Watch Speedvision on Tuesday > nights for awesome international motorcycle racing and > historical documentaries! Check out "Two-Wheel > Tuesday" 7 p.m.-11 p.m. ET." > > Today is Tuesday, and in place of Two Wheeled Tuesday > tonight you are showing Nascar Preview 2002 for THREE > HOURS. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 12:19:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CHJCO17855 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-43-19.s781.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.43.19] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16agaA-0001df-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:19:07 -0500 Message-ID: <00fa01c1b3ea$27352cc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <2f.223fc103.299a742e@aol.com> Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:21:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon > In a message dated 2/11/2002 5:59:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, > pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > > > I had no problem wedging in between two cages (semi-legally)** the last time > > we lunched at the Brew pub at Shirlington. > > Man I have watched people park there. It looks like a bumper car track, back > till you hit something, pull forward till you hit, pull back.... > The first floor and a half of the parking garage is free and available, I > highly recommend it. > > John: who worked in Shirlington until last Friday. Small wonder that my fugly P.O.S. ratbike VF500F with the blacked out front fairing (someone painted it with a brush) is my primary "around town" ride these days. In two months of ownership it's already been knocked over at the hardware store by a someone unfamiliar with the "look before backing" concept. He was a stand-up guy because he did come back in the store and have me paged. Either that or there were witnesses in abundance. He offered to pay for the damage, which has limited to a bent clutch lever and another ding in the tank (among many pre-existing dents) I told him $20 oughta take care of it. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 12:30:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CHUiO18127 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:30:44 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbI6FIy7fkiupFTBUeh+3bXs3lOqD/DOOWwa6g3wyBYYX2R0j15bxqDl8J5xIdQCuE= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16aglP-0006wa-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:30:43 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: FW: What happened to motorcycling on SpeedChannel/Speedvision? Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:29:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal ok, so I wrote it quick while multitasking.... -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:27 PM To: bikeweek@XXXXXX; advertising@XXXXXX; listings@XXXXXX; affiliate@XXXXXX Cc: tonya_hill@XXXXXX; Pamela_Baratta@XXXXXX; Dianne_Earley@XXXXXX Subject: What happened to motorcycling on SpeedChannel/Speedvision? What happened to Two-wheeled Tuesday? What happened to the regularly scheduled motorcycle racing on Sunday? Now I get even more hours of NASCAR to supplement the TBS, TNN, ESPN, and broadcast network coverage? The main reason I get cable is for SpeedChannel/Speedvision's and, to a lesser extent, ESPN2's motorcycle coverage. Loss of this coverage will remove the main reason cable enters my house. Comcast, my cable provider, prides itself on being able to target key audiences for advertising. I'm sure that they've identified Speedchannel as an extremely focused audience, consisting of enthusiasts who spend a very significant portion of their income on their lifestyle/hobby. NASCAR fans, however, are more diverse; you may have more viewers, but they will not be receptive to the same products as the automobile or motorcycle enthusiast. In other words, a NASCAR fan may be interested in Tide, Busch Beer, or lawn sprinklers, and perhaps spark plugs, the SAME AS THE OTHER 1000 CABLE CHANNELS. With motorcycle racing, you are assured that 100% of the audience is receptive to motorcycle-specific products. I'm sure that SCCA and World Rally attract a similarly focused audience. I have noticed that the only place I see motorcycle advertising is on motorcycle shows; you (and ESPN2 during Supercross) are probably the recipient of the vast majority of all motorcycle and motorcycle accessory TV advertising dollars, yet you are alienating this audience. I would suspect that, over time, the motorcycle advertising dollars will find other outlets. The changes in Speedchannel programming have been a frequent topic amongst various motorcycling communities. The amount of hate and discontent stirred by the loss of motorcycle programming is staggering. The amount of "SpeedChannel sucks" emails and bulletin board posts is increasing exponentially. Regards, Jon Strang From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 12:40:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1CHelO18250 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:40:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020212174046.21538.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:40:46 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:40:46 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: wedding problem update To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My fiance spoke with the Innkeepers, they told her that they ARE going to add the new glass atrium over the deck, and that we WILL have to pay an additional $850 for its use, or else they will give us our money back and we can go someplace else. Gee, that would give us a whopping four months to plan a wedding in the DC area, especially difficult when the caterer/officiant/DJ/guests have been told that the wedding is at this location. So what should I do? I strongly believe that the Inn is legally responsible for providing us with a suitable wedding location. We both signed a contract knowing that the wedding would take place outside for an agreed-upon amount. Now they say that we can't have an outdoors wedding and that we must pay additional money. The Innkeepers did say that, to help defray the additional $850 cost, they would cater our event, even though we already have a caterer. Is it me or are they trying to get more money out of us? Any thoughts? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 12:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CHkQO18385 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:46:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs724762 ([63.220.27.131]) by smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay7 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GRFLD200.REW; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:46:14 -0500 Message-ID: <00ea01c1b3ed$2c06d1b0$1700a8c0@cs724762> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "stephen cutchins" , "DC Cycles" References: <20020212174046.21538.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: wedding problem update Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:46:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 I hope your bride to be screws you this much :-) Sorry, couldn't resist. ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen cutchins" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:40 PM Subject: wedding problem update > My fiance spoke with the Innkeepers, they told her > that they ARE going to add the new glass atrium over > the deck, and that we WILL have to pay an additional > $850 for its use, or else they will give us our money > back and we can go someplace else. Gee, that would > give us a whopping four months to plan a wedding in > the DC area, especially difficult when the > caterer/officiant/DJ/guests have been told that the > wedding is at this location. > > So what should I do? I strongly believe that the Inn > is legally responsible for providing us with a > suitable wedding location. We both signed a contract > knowing that the wedding would take place outside for > an agreed-upon amount. Now they say that we can't > have an outdoors wedding and that we must pay > additional money. > > The Innkeepers did say that, to help defray the > additional $850 cost, they would cater our event, even > though we already have a caterer. Is it me or are > they trying to get more money out of us? > > Any thoughts? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 12:46:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CHktO18397 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (id250.megapipe.net [63.65.99.250]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA01094 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:44:03 -0500 Message-ID: <014201c1b3ed$b7e8e880$0249dad0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20020212174046.21538.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: wedding problem update Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:50:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 You still need to READ the specifics of your contract. That's all that matters. If you still STRONGLY believe they are wrong then you need to get a lawyer to read the contract. Period. Anything other than that is wasting time, of which you only have four months. ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen cutchins" > My fiance spoke with the Innkeepers, they told her > that they ARE going to add the new glass atrium over > the deck, and that we WILL have to pay an additional > $850 for its use, or else they will give us our money From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 12:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web9605.mail.yahoo.com (web9605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.184]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1CHw0O18603 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:58:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020212175759.64774.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:57:59 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:57:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: wedding problem update To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020212174046.21538.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Um, I DON'T THINK SO!!! You signed a CONTRACT. They don't have a leg to stand on! That's the beauty of contracts. Before Tom & I got married, the place we had signed with all of a sudden upped their prices. But we had a contract! wooohooo! :-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- stephen cutchins wrote: > My fiance spoke with the Innkeepers, they told her > that they ARE going to add the new glass atrium over > the deck, and that we WILL have to pay an additional > $850 for its use, or else they will give us our > money > back and we can go someplace else. Gee, that would > give us a whopping four months to plan a wedding in > the DC area, especially difficult when the > caterer/officiant/DJ/guests have been told that the > wedding is at this location. > > So what should I do? I strongly believe that the > Inn > is legally responsible for providing us with a > suitable wedding location. We both signed a > contract > knowing that the wedding would take place outside > for > an agreed-upon amount. Now they say that we can't > have an outdoors wedding and that we must pay > additional money. > > The Innkeepers did say that, to help defray the > additional $850 cost, they would cater our event, > even > though we already have a caterer. Is it me or are > they trying to get more money out of us? > > Any thoughts? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 13:03:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1CI34O18687 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:03:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020212180303.20070.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:03:03 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:03:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: wedding problem update To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020212174046.21538.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- stephen cutchins wrote: > My fiance spoke with the Innkeepers, they told her > that they ARE going to add the new glass atrium over > the deck, and that we WILL have to pay an additional > $850 for its use, or else they will give us our money > back and we can go someplace else. Gee, that would > give us a whopping four months to plan a wedding in > the DC area, especially difficult when the > caterer/officiant/DJ/guests have been told that the > wedding is at this location. > > So what should I do? I strongly believe that the Inn > is legally responsible for providing us with a > suitable wedding location. We both signed a contract > knowing that the wedding would take place outside for > an agreed-upon amount. Now they say that we can't > have an outdoors wedding and that we must pay > additional money. > > The Innkeepers did say that, to help defray the > additional $850 cost, they would cater our event, even > though we already have a caterer. Is it me or are > they trying to get more money out of us? > > Any thoughts? note: i don't know what jurisdiction the inn is located in. this may or may not affect my read on this.... but, if it were my wedding, i.e., THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE BUT MERELY A PERSONAL OPINION, i would consider voicing my intent to hold them to the original agreement. after all, [you claim] the agreement entitles you to use of the deck, and that use of the deck was a major issue and also something that was in the contemplation of BOTH parties at the time they entered into the agreement. since the agreement was drafted by teh inn, it will be construed against it....in other words, they could have indicated what would happen in the event this construction was to take place, but they didn't. thus, i doubt a court would find in favor of the inn that they are entitled to charge you $850 more for NO NEW RIGHTS.... why would i consider remaining silent? because, as you have told us, they intend to throw you out on your ass with 4 months to find a new place unless you agree to the increase. without requesting immediate assistance from a court (read: attorneys fees and lots of 'em), they could conceivably ruin your wedding plans by playing hardball. would I remain silent? no. and under no circumstances would i agree to modify the original agreement or execute another. but that is just me, and what do i know? very little.... accordingly, please consider your situation carefully, and please give serious thought to calling an attorney who is licensed in the jurisdiction as issue in order to talk about your options.... good luck -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 13:21:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CILAO19029 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g1CIL7w29045; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:21:08 -0500 From: laura granato To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles Subject: Re: wedding problem update Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:21:07 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020212174046.21538.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020212174046.21538.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0202121321070H.02806@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 12 February 2002 12:40, stephen cutchins wrote: > My fiance spoke with the Innkeepers, they told her > that they ARE going to add the new glass atrium over > the deck, and that we WILL have to pay an additional > $850 for its use, or else they will give us our money > back and we can go someplace else. did you sign a contract with them? LAG From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 14:03:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CJ30O19722 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w034 ([168.144.108.34]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:03:05 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: wedding problem update Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:04:09 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2002 19:03:05.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[E727BE00:01C1B3F7] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1CJ4MO19723 Occassionally, Gimer makes sense. This is one of those rare occassions. At this point, you need the help of a lawyer not this (well-intentioned) list. Read all the small print in your contract very carefully (i.e., is there some sort of escape clause for the inn?), but I am inclined to believe that if you push on this one you will ultimately win. I am guessing a single letter from an attorney's office will likely resolve the issue in your favor. Of course, the inn could decide to play hardball and call you on your bluff, in which case you could be screwed. And even if they relent, they could be nasty and spiteful and just make your whole experience difficult and exasperating while still honoring the contract. All of these are things to consider with the clock ticking. FWIW, I would simultaneously try to get the inn to honor the contract as signed by both parties while coming up with a plan B. This situation sucks and I hope it's resolved happily for you and your fiancee. P.S. You could always just fly to Vegas or drive up to Elkton, DE! %^) Original Message: ----------------- note: i don't know what jurisdiction the inn is located in. this may or may not affect my read on this.... but, if it were my wedding, i.e., THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE BUT MERELY A PERSONAL OPINION, i would consider voicing my intent to hold them to the original agreement. after all, [you claim] the agreement entitles you to use of the deck, and that use of the deck was a major issue and also something that was in the contemplation of BOTH parties at the time they entered into the agreement. since the agreement was drafted by teh inn, it will be construed against it....in other words, they could have indicated what would happen in the event this construction was to take place, but they didn't. thus, i doubt a court would find in favor of the inn that they are entitled to charge you $850 more for NO NEW RIGHTS.... why would i consider remaining silent? because, as you have told us, they intend to throw you out on your ass with 4 months to find a new place unless you agree to the increase. without requesting immediate assistance from a court (read: attorneys fees and lots of 'em), they could conceivably ruin your wedding plans by playing hardball. would I remain silent? no. and under no circumstances would i agree to modify the original agreement or execute another. but that is just me, and what do i know? very little.... accordingly, please consider your situation carefully, and please give serious thought to calling an attorney who is licensed in the jurisdiction as issue in order to talk about your options.... good luck -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 14:07:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1CJ7bO19825 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:07:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020212190736.76851.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:07:36 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:07:36 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: wedding problem update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0202121321070H.02806@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I signed a contract that stated that we have full use of the facilities, including "the deck with two gazebos." It did not state in the contract anything about the Inn being allowed to make upgrades to their facilities or being able to charge us more after they did so. The contract stated an open aired deck and that's what I want. Right now I am thinking that I am going to legally pursue preventing them from building the atrium over the deck until after our wedding. We wanted an open air wedding, we rented their facility and signed a contract and gave them money to have an open air wedding on their deck, and now it's more than likely too late to find another location so we're stuck with them. --- laura granato wrote: > On Tuesday 12 February 2002 12:40, stephen cutchins > wrote: > > My fiance spoke with the Innkeepers, they told her > > that they ARE going to add the new glass atrium > over > > the deck, and that we WILL have to pay an > additional > > $850 for its use, or else they will give us our > money > > back and we can go someplace else. > > did you sign a contract with them? > > LAG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 14:17:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CJHfO20014 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.9c.1ae39bd1 (16785); Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:17:25 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9c.1ae39bd1.299ac444@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:17:24 EST Subject: Re: wedding problem update To: stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9c.1ae39bd1.299ac444_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_9c.1ae39bd1.299ac444_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/02 2:09:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX writes: > Right now I am thinking that I am going to legally > pursue preventing them from building the atrium over > the deck until after our wedding. We wanted an open > air wedding, we rented their facility and signed a > contract and gave them money to have an open air > wedding on their deck, and now it's more than likely > too late to find another location so we're stuck with > them. > Think Friday night wedding. That should allow you to change your plans if necessary. That's what my wife and I opted for. It was cheaper and we were able to get the facilities we wanted. Keener --part1_9c.1ae39bd1.299ac444_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/02 2:09:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX writes:


Right now I am thinking that I am going to legally
pursue preventing them from building the atrium over
the deck until after our wedding.  We wanted an open
air wedding, we rented their facility and signed a
contract and gave them money to have an open air
wedding on their deck, and now it's more than likely
too late to find another location so we're stuck with
them.


Think Friday night wedding.  That should allow you to change your plans if necessary.  That's what my wife and I opted for.  It was cheaper and we were able to get the facilities we wanted.

Keener --part1_9c.1ae39bd1.299ac444_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 14:17:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CJHqO20017 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g1CJHKY11676 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:17:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:17:20 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: wedding problem update In-Reply-To: <20020212190736.76851.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Would somebody care to explain to me how radar guns work again? ;-P Hugh From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 14:29:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CJTPO20234 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g1CJTMw29246; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:29:22 -0500 From: laura granato To: stephen cutchins , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: wedding problem update Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:29:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020212190736.76851.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020212190736.76851.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0202121429210N.02806@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 12 February 2002 14:07, stephen cutchins wrote: > I signed a contract that stated that we have full use > We wanted an open > air wedding, we rented their facility and signed a > contract and gave them money to have an open air > wedding on their deck, and now it's more than likely > too late to find another location so we're stuck with > them. > FWIW, I know that this all sucks, and weddings are stressful enough...but I hope that you and your fiance can do your best to get through this and just enjoy the preparation of getting married. It's a wonderful thing, don't let this spoil it for you... Laura From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 14:30:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CJUlO20300 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g1CJUhw29257; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:30:44 -0500 From: laura granato To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: wedding problem update Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:30:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <9c.1ae39bd1.299ac444@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <9c.1ae39bd1.299ac444@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0202121430430Q.02806@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>That's what my wife and I opted for. Wow, Keener...it is so weird to hear *you* say wife. ;-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 14:37:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CJblO20427 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (user136.anent.com [208.195.115.136]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02386 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:34:55 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c1b3fd$34d42260$8873c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20020212161817.40390.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Motorcycles on Speedvision DON'T PANIC! Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:40:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 www.speedtv.com Go to the schedule and you can filter it by type. Next Tuesday evening is ALL MOTORCYCLE PROGRAMMING! And it looks like the Tuesday after that is too! From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 15:02:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CK2DO20924 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:02:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:02:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200202121502.AA239534706@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: OT: sick fun X-Mailer: http://killer.flaboratorium.org/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 15:15:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1CKExO21107 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:15:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020212201459.56830.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:14:59 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:14:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Re: wedding problem update To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Occassionally, Gimer makes sense. This is one of those > rare occassions. ahhh....to be so appreciated and respected. you can't beat the feeling! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 15:23:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.108]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CKN2O21277 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([68.48.192.112]) by femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020212202252.DWHN16300.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:22:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3C6979C2.1E1D086E@home.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:23:30 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: "stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX" , "affiliate@XXXXXX" , "listings@XXXXXX" , "advertising@XXXXXX" , "bikeweek@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Motorcycles on Speedvision References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To one of my favorite channels formerly known as Speedvision, I too, must express my extreme disappointment in your Network's decision to turn what was a wonderful alternative cable channel into All Things NASCAR. Truth be told, I actually am a NASCAR fan, been watching races for years. I even occasionally watch Inside NASCAR and other weekly programs about my favorite 4-wheeled motorsport. But I am a motorcyclist first and foremost, and your channel used to be the only one that would offer me my fix for watching motorcycle racing, and the great "Two Wheeled Tuesday" lineup. Sadly, I think I'm going to have to find other things to watch, NASCAR only needs a couple hours coverage per week outside of the actual races. I sure hope somebody in your organization comes to their senses before it is too late. Sincerely, A former Speedvision fan Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > > Dear Speedvision (soon to be Speed Channel), > > I would like to echo Mr. Crutchins concerns. I do not object to NASCAR being part of the Speed Channel line-up (even though I have no interest in NASCAR). But I strenuously object to NASCAR dominating the programming and pushing out other motorsports viewing. As viewers, we were assured by your management that you would maintain the current mix of motorsports programming to appeal to a broad range of enthusiasts. I subscribe to satellite TV and the only reason I have one of their expanded packages is so I can get Speedvision to watch WSB, MotoGP, and AMA motorcycle racing, Forumula 1, and endurance (Daytona, Sebring, Le Mans) racing. And during the off-season, I still want to be able to see this kind of programming (either last season's races or previews for this season). Contrary to popular belief, NASCAR is not the only racing that the American public wants to watch. If Speedvision/Speed Channel is essentially going to be the NASCAR channel, I just won't watch it anymore. > > Chuck Pena > Arlington, VA > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: stephen cutchins stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:18:17 -0800 (PST) > To: affiliate@XXXXXX, listings@XXXXXX, advertising@XXXXXX, bikeweek@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Motorcycles on Speedvision > > I subscribe to premium cable for motorcycle racing on > Speedvision. This is the ONLY reason I subscribe to > cable. I contacted Speedvision some time ago > regarding my concern that the channel was heading > towards NASCARvision, but I was assured that > Speedvision (now Speedchannel) "cares about it's > motorcycle viewers" and will continue with its current > motorcycle-related programming. > > Every Sunday night I used to watch motorcycle races on > Speedvision. Every Tuesday night I used to watch > motorcycle races on Speedvision as part of its "Two > Wheeled Tuesday" coverage. > > >From your web page: "Watch Speedvision on Tuesday > nights for awesome international motorcycle racing and > historical documentaries! Check out "Two-Wheel > Tuesday" 7 p.m.-11 p.m. ET." > > Today is Tuesday, and in place of Two Wheeled Tuesday > tonight you are showing Nascar Preview 2002 for THREE > HOURS. What about AMA Superbike Preview 2002? Or > World Superbike Preview 2002? Or MotoGP Preview 2002? > Is Two Wheeled Tuesday now NASCAR Tuesday? > > This coming Sunday night, instead of watching > motorcycle racing as usual, I will have to watch > NASCAR Tech and NASCAR Past Champions. > > It is obvious that Speedvision is abandoning > motorcyclists. You informed me that you would keep > your current motorcycle-related programming, but you > have not. Have you lied? > > Stephen Cutchins From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 15:35:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CKZ5O21516 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id p.d7.13170e45 (16785); Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:34:46 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:34:45 EST Subject: Re: wedding problem update To: lgranato@XXXXXX, stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d7.13170e45.299ad665_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_d7.13170e45.299ad665_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/02 2:31:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > >>That's what my wife and I opted for. > > Wow, Keener...it is so weird to hear *you* say wife. ;-) Yeah yeah yeah....go ahead...pick on me. I'm *ALMOST* respectable now. hehehe --part1_d7.13170e45.299ad665_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/02 2:31:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes:


>>That's what my wife and I opted for. 

Wow, Keener...it is so weird to hear *you* say wife. ;-)


Yeah yeah yeah....go ahead...pick on me.  I'm *ALMOST* respectable now.  hehehe --part1_d7.13170e45.299ad665_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 15:40:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CKeGO21557 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.11c.c426124 (16785); Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:37:36 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11c.c426124.299ad70f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:37:35 EST Subject: Re: wedding problem update To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11c.c426124.299ad70f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_11c.c426124.299ad70f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/02 3:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > ahhh....to be so appreciated and respected. you can't beat > the feeling! Now respected is a bit of a stretch... :) --part1_11c.c426124.299ad70f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/02 3:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:


ahhh....to be so appreciated and respected.  you can't beat
the feeling!


Now respected is a bit of a stretch...   :) --part1_11c.c426124.299ad70f_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 15:47:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CKlQO21754 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-48.patriot.net [209.249.181.48]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CKlMc09149; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:47:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3C697EF5.A52C1634@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:45:41 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stephen cutchins CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: wedding problem update References: <20020212174046.21538.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bummer. Any way itg goes, I'd write newspapers etc and put the evil spell on this Inn of Shysterism! Hmm, 4 months? My wedding took place about 4 months after I surprised the hell outta my girlfriend with a tiny diamond I'd rescued off a grinding wheel dressing tool and popped the ol' question. But weddings were simple in those days. No fancy reception. Dress in monkey suit, go to church, hear an 88 year ol preacher mumble the words - mumble back (Holy S--T! Am I really doing this!) Change into casual duds, jump in car and haul ass! So to speak :-) Good luck. To bad DC cycles isn't a nasty patch club, we could do a number on the inn... heyeh heyeh Bill stephen cutchins wrote: > My fiance spoke with the Innkeepers, they told her > that they ARE going to add the new glass atrium over > the deck, and that we WILL have to pay an additional > $850 for its use, or else they will give us our money > back and we can go someplace else. Gee, that would > give us a whopping four months to plan a wedding in > the DC area, especially difficult when the > caterer/officiant/DJ/guests have been told that the > wedding is at this location. > > So what should I do? I strongly believe that the Inn > is legally responsible for providing us with a > suitable wedding location. We both signed a contract > knowing that the wedding would take place outside for > an agreed-upon amount. Now they say that we can't > have an outdoors wedding and that we must pay > additional money. > > The Innkeepers did say that, to help defray the > additional $850 cost, they would cater our event, even > though we already have a caterer. Is it me or are > they trying to get more money out of us? > > Any thoughts? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 16:25:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CLPKO22387 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w087.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.87]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:25:28 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: wedding problem update Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:24:20 -0500 To: "hcaldwell@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2002 21:25:28.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAEE4F60:01C1B40B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1CLQbO22388 Point ... shoot ... you're busted! %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: hcaldwell hcaldwell@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:17:20 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: wedding problem update Would somebody care to explain to me how radar guns work again? ;-P Hugh -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 16:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CLVaO22579 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w026.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.26]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:31:41 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Re: wedding problem update Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:31:32 -0500 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2002 21:31:41.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9197670:01C1B40C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1CLWpO22580 Huh? I said you made sense. Just this one time. Since when does that mean you're appreciated and respected? You're still a horse's ass in my book! %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:14:59 -0800 (PST) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: wedding problem update --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Occassionally, Gimer makes sense. This is one of those > rare occassions. ahhh....to be so appreciated and respected. you can't beat the feeling! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 16:48:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CLmJO22869 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.3c.192ae07c (3952) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:47:47 -0500 (EST) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3c.192ae07c.299ae783@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:47:47 EST Subject: 748R To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3c.192ae07c.299ae783_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10551 --part1_3c.192ae07c.299ae783_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I picked up the new race bike at MotoEuropa about two weeks ago. With the titanium half system and power commander it makes 108 hp at the rear wheel. Not too shabby for a 748. The bike is unbelievable. Ohlins front and back with the race spec brembo calipers. The slipper clutch makes racing downshifts effortless and really settles the back end chatter. With the performance upgrades the power is suprising and seamless. The throttle response can only be described as unreal. This bike makes my '97 748/855 bike feel slow by comparison. My problems is this, the bike came with no headlight, tailight, turn signals or kickstand. I'd like to get it on the road for a couple of days to break it in before it goes on the track. What do I have to do to get it on the road in Maryland? Do I have to have all of the missing equipment? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, see ya out there. Jeff --part1_3c.192ae07c.299ae783_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I picked up the new race bike at MotoEuropa about two weeks ago.  With the
 titanium half system and power commander it makes 108 hp at the rear wheel.                                    Not too shabby for a 748.  The bike is unbelievable.  Ohlins front and back with the race spec brembo calipers.  The slipper clutch makes racing downshifts effortless
and really settles the back end chatter.  With the performance upgrades the power is
suprising and seamless.  The throttle response can only be described as unreal.
This bike makes my '97 748/855 bike feel slow by comparison.

My problems is this, the bike came with no headlight, tailight, turn signals
or kickstand.  I'd like to get it on the road for a couple of days to break it in before it
goes on the track.  What do I have to do to get it on the road in Maryland?  Do I have to have all of the missing equipment?

 Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, see ya out there.   Jeff


--part1_3c.192ae07c.299ae783_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 17:06:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CM6iO23174 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:06:40 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E4A5@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: kudos to Shoei / OT car spam Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:06:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just wanted to give a positive review to Shoei helmets. I got a helmet free with the purchase of my CBR last month but I wanted to verify it's safety before using it so I sent it off to Shoei. All of the information is on their web site; I just UPS'd it to Cali and they x-rayed it and shipped it back within a week and a half with assurances that the damage (one chip) was purely cosmetic. It cost me less than $6.50 to ship it out and the whole thing took about 2 weeks including shipping both ways. I have a coworker selling a 1993 Ford Taurus GL 4-Door Sedan if anyone is in need of a cage for grocery runs, parts runs, or relatively inexpensive housing :) Email me offlist if you're interested. bernescut@XXXXXX Color: White Miles: 136,000 Interior: Gray, excellent shape Exterior:New tires, new brakes (April '01) Amenities:Power windows, doors, tape deck, AM/FM radio Transmission:Automatic asking $550.00 Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 (R.I.P.) Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 17:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1CM6oO23177 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.151.8c88a79 (15892); Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID87-0212170627; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:06:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:06:27 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: wedding problem update To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <151.8c88a79.299aebe3@aol.com> They're trying to get more money out of you. If I were you, I'd start looking for another location FAST. Just my .02 Scooter In a message dated Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:42:58 AEST, stephen cutchins writes: > My fiance spoke with the Innkeepers, they told her > that they ARE going to add the new glass atrium over > the deck, and that we WILL have to pay an additional > $850 for its use, or else they will give us our money > back and we can go someplace else. Gee, that would > give us a whopping four months to plan a wedding in > the DC area, especially difficult when the > caterer/officiant/DJ/guests have been told that the > wedding is at this location. > > So what should I do? I strongly believe that the Inn > is legally responsible for providing us with a > suitable wedding location. We both signed a contract > knowing that the wedding would take place outside for > an agreed-upon amount. Now they say that we can't > have an outdoors wedding and that we must pay > additional money. > > The Innkeepers did say that, to help defray the > additional $850 cost, they would cater our event, even > though we already have a caterer. Is it me or are > they trying to get more money out of us? > > Any thoughts? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 18:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1CN6IO24137 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:06:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020212230614.39648.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:06:14 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:06:14 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: wedding problem update To: stephen cutchins , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020212190736.76851.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- stephen cutchins wrote: > I signed a contract that stated that we have full use > of the facilities, including "the deck with two > gazebos." It did not state in the contract anything > about the Inn being allowed to make upgrades to their > facilities or being able to charge us more after they > did so. The contract stated an open aired deck and > that's what I want. > > Right now I am thinking that I am going to legally > pursue preventing them from building the atrium over > the deck until after our wedding. We wanted an open > air wedding, we rented their facility and signed a > contract and gave them money to have an open air > wedding on their deck, and now it's more than likely > too late to find another location so we're stuck with > them. again, please contact an attorney! SOON! that being said, i think you'll find it very hard to FORCE the inn to refrain from remodeling until after your wedding. courts are reluctant to control parties' behavior when they can just award money damages for breach. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 19:36:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1D0aMO25744 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from vaio ([68.49.202.82]) by femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020213003621.NAJ13094.femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com@vaio> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:36:21 -0800 Reply-To: From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: RE: Re: wedding problem update Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:36:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Chuck, Elkton is the garden spot of Maryland and is in no way associated with Delaware. -James '00 SV650 P.S. You could always just fly to Vegas or drive up to Elkton, DE! %^) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 19:58:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1D0wFO26052 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:58:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020213005814.60171.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.178.92] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:58:14 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:58:14 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: wedding To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <131.8bfc137.299b0a88@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay, either this is a joke or somebody let a 10 year old subscribe to the DC Cycles list. They are "allowing me" to use their space? They make money from catering? They are charging me "you guess" less than $850? Boy, where do I start... I PAID for their facilities, and have a signed contract, that's why I have a legal right to them. They don't have a state license to do catering, so they cannot legally cater our event even though they offered to (after telling us that we "had" to pay additional money that was not in the contract.) I paid them about eight TIMES $850 for the Inn. --- Walkingpets@XXXXXX wrote: > mr. cutchins, > > as i see it, you are allowed to use other space, > just not the atrium unless > you are willing to pay for it. don't use the atrium > then. > > how are these people supposed to make money off of > you. i mean places make > money from the catering. you are not using their > catering. kinda like a > freebee. > > they are not idiots. they are pretty smart. i hope > they at least are > charging you something for using their inn. i guess > it is less than 850.00. > if you are cheap with them you won't have a very > enjoyable day. they won't > try for you with whatever chairs you have requested, > etc. > > i mean some people tip the major players at the inn > for helping with the > wedding the amount, 850.00 that you are debating. > > you are being cheap and you have no leg to stand on. > > cheap reaps cheap. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 23:06:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1D46HO28878 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-139.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.139] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16aqgJ-0004Fb-00; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:06:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020212230610.00b03dd0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:07:15 -0500 To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: wedding In-Reply-To: <20020213005814.60171.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <131.8bfc137.299b0a88@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:58 PM 2/12/2002, stephen cutchins wrote: >I paid them about eight TIMES $850 for the Inn. You can have it at our townhouse for *half* that, and I'll throw in my Interceptor... Regards, Larry -- '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '02 Honda 919 (backup and commuter bike) '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 23:18:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1D4IIO29051 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.c3.1ddcc530 (4013) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:18:09 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:18:08 EST Subject: Re: Garage Floor Coating To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c3.1ddcc530.299b4300_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_c3.1ddcc530.299b4300_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hpark@XXXXXX writes: > Has anyone had any > experience with garage flooring and does anyone recommend any particular > brand? Thanks. > Try this... http://www.ucoatit.com/ucoathome.html HTH, Steve Broadstreet 01 ZX-9R --part1_c3.1ddcc530.299b4300_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hpark@XXXXXX writes:

Has anyone had any
experience with garage flooring and does anyone recommend any particular
brand?  Thanks.


Try this...
http://www.ucoatit.com/ucoathome.html

HTH,
Steve Broadstreet
01 ZX-9R --part1_c3.1ddcc530.299b4300_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 12 23:24:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1D4OYO29164 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.d8.1357b706 (4013) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:24:23 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:24:22 EST Subject: Re: Daytona bike week To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d8.1357b706.299b4476_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_d8.1357b706.299b4476_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: > > I don't even like driving in a car that long on > > 95...BORING! > > anything to do with a sport bike> Absolutely. I actually find the ZX-9 more comfortable than my old Concours. The engine is very smooth, seating position is reasonable, and there is no buffeting at the helmet level from the windshield. Now if I can just keep it on 2 wheels... LOL <3 weeks on perdiem, 6000 miles at .35/mile, and a pay check on top of that.> That sounds awesome! I'm hoping to take a week long trip to New England this summer...but I haven't figured out how to get paid for it. :) Steve Broadstreet 01 ZX-9R --part1_d8.1357b706.299b4476_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mriderleon@XXXXXX writes:

> I don't even like driving in a car that long on
> 95...BORING!

<Perhaps this is the problem.  Prolly doesn't have
anything to do with a sport bike>


Absolutely. I actually find the ZX-9 more comfortable than my old Concours. The engine is very smooth, seating position is reasonable, and there is no buffeting at the helmet level from the windshield. Now if I can just keep it on 2 wheels...  LOL
<3 weeks on perdiem,
6000 miles at .35/mile, and a pay check on top of that.>
That sounds awesome! I'm hoping to take a week long trip to New England this summer...but I haven't figured out how to get paid for it.  :)

Steve Broadstreet
01 ZX-9R
 --part1_d8.1357b706.299b4476_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 13 12:36:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1DHaoO11965 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:36:50 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbiuze7Fr3cYooZSVbCBXhkrx2WTEYxJQTrBQsdBMIaCcQOorSgPh2F Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=ducman) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16b3Ko-0005iH-00; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:36:46 -0500 Message-ID: <006101c1b4b4$ff2089c0$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: , References: <3c.192ae07c.299ae783@aol.com> Subject: Re: 748R Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:36:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01C1B48B.15E41ED0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C1B48B.15E41ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You need to pass inspection... for that you need headlights, taillights, stop light, mirrors, working = SPEEDO/ODO ... and I'm pretty sure kickstand(or rather some stand, = center would work, but there is no place for it on the Duc). At the = very list you need the first 3 things not to be stopped by the first cop = that sees you. You also technically need bunch of other things like = reflectors...etc. BTW, in MD the headlight and taillight doesn't have = to be *on* during the day. As far as turn signals, I'm not sure, since you can legally drive/ride = without them. The best way is to talk to a bike shop that does inspections and = hopefully knows you. Many bike shops will let minor things go...as long = as they are sure that it's not gonna cost them license... Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MOTO748@XXXXXX=20 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: 748R I picked up the new race bike at MotoEuropa about two weeks ago. With = the=20 titanium half system and power commander it makes 108 hp at the rear = wheel. Not too shabby for a 748. The = bike is unbelievable. Ohlins front and back with the race spec brembo = calipers. The slipper clutch makes racing downshifts effortless=20 and really settles the back end chatter. With the performance = upgrades the power is=20 suprising and seamless. The throttle response can only be described = as unreal.=20 This bike makes my '97 748/855 bike feel slow by comparison.=20 My problems is this, the bike came with no headlight, tailight, turn = signals=20 or kickstand. I'd like to get it on the road for a couple of days to = break it in before it=20 goes on the track. What do I have to do to get it on the road in = Maryland? Do I have to have all of the missing equipment?=20 Any help would be greatly appreciated.=20 Thanks, see ya out there. Jeff=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C1B48B.15E41ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You need to pass = inspection...
 
for that you need headlights, = taillights, stop=20 light, mirrors, working SPEEDO/ODO ...  and I'm pretty = sure=20 kickstand(or rather some stand, center would work, but there is no place = for it=20 on the Duc).  At the very list you need the first 3 things not to = be=20 stopped by the first cop that sees you.  You also technically need = bunch of=20 other things like reflectors...etc.  BTW, in MD the headlight and=20 taillight doesn't have to be *on* during the day.
 
As far as turn signals, I'm not sure, = since you can=20 legally drive/ride without them.
 
The best way is to talk to a bike shop = that does=20 inspections and hopefully knows you.  Many bike shops will let = minor things=20 go...as long as they are sure that it's not gonna cost them=20 license...
 
 
Genna Melamed
genna@XXXXXX
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 MOTO748@XXXXXX=20
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, = 2002 4:47=20 PM
Subject: 748R

I picked up = the new=20 race bike at MotoEuropa about two weeks ago.  With the =
 titanium=20 half system and power commander it makes 108 hp at the rear wheel.=20 =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;          Not=20 too shabby for a 748.  The bike is unbelievable.  Ohlins = front and=20 back with the race spec brembo calipers.  The slipper clutch = makes racing=20 downshifts effortless
and really settles the back end chatter. =  With=20 the performance upgrades the power is
suprising and seamless. =  The=20 throttle response can only be described as unreal.
This bike makes = my '97=20 748/855 bike feel slow by comparison.

My problems is this, the = bike=20 came with no headlight, tailight, turn signals
or kickstand. =  I'd=20 like to get it on the road for a couple of days to break it in before = it=20
goes on the track.  What do I have to do to get it on the = road in=20 Maryland?  Do I have to have all of the missing equipment?=20

 Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, = see ya=20 out there.   Jeff=20


------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C1B48B.15E41ED0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 13 16:20:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14005.mail.yahoo.com (web14005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1DLK8O15674 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:20:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020213212007.33256.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.24] by web14005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:20:07 PST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020211202355.21248.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is this still on? Can you get me a street address? Leon. --- matthew patton wrote: > Thursday the 14th. 11:45 at the California Pizza > Kitchen across from > the brewery (where we met last time) in Shirlington. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 13 19:19:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1E0JpO18527 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-139.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.139] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16b9cf-0004PU-00; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:19:37 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020213191700.00b56580@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:20:46 -0500 To: Leon Begeman , matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon In-Reply-To: <20020213212007.33256.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020211202355.21248.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:20 PM 2/13/2002, Leon Begeman wrote: >Is this still on? Can you get me a street address? > >Leon. Leon, Haven't seen Matt respond yet, so I'll venture what I know. Last he said it was still on; California Pizza Kitchen is defunct, and his backup choice was the Capitol City Brewing Company, where we met last time. This is at the corner of 28thSt. and S. Quincy in Shirlington, just off 395. Since the whole place is only one block long, we can't go wrong meeting in front of the brewpub. Chris ('98 Superhawk) and I are planning to be there before 11:45. Regards, Larry -- '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '02 Honda 919 (backup and commuter bike) '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 13 19:25:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1E0PCO18644 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([68.48.192.112]) by femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020214002506.LKSG23450.femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:25:06 -0800 Message-ID: <3C6B0404.A73D89D0@home.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:25:40 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: Larry Larson , Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon References: <20020211202355.21248.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020213191700.00b56580@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > > Chris ('98 Superhawk) and I are planning to be there before 11:45. I'm regretfully gonna have to bail on this. I've been in and out of the office the past few weeks, burning sick leave like crazy. Latest adventure is my oldest daughter, out sick the past few days. She might make it to school tomorrow, it might only be for half a day. With the wife out of town, my sick leave total has been taking a beating. A long lunch break tomorrow would probably give my boss a conniption. :) Pass on my regards to Bob, and my congrats on his completion of the IBR. It was a heck of a ride, even if he bitched and hated every mile of it... :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 13 19:34:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20105.mail.yahoo.com (web20105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1E0YeO18836 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:34:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020214003439.74610.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:34:39 PST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:34:39 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020213191700.00b56580@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yes, we're a go. see Leon's post on exact address. It's very hard to miss. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 13 22:46:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-mx006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1E3k6O21749 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 1987 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 19:45:55 -0800 Received: from 63.153.249.183 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 19:45:55 -0800 X-Sent: 14 Feb 2002 03:45:55 GMT Message-ID: <002401c1b50b$65ea34c0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: OT: email program recommendation Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:55:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I'm working on fixing up my computer and would like to get rid of this crappy MSoutlook (too many security bugs). anyone out there use an email program they want to recommend? I've been looking for one on Tucows, but having not much luck...can I tell you how much I *hate* computers!!!???!!! TIA LAG From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 13 22:55:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1E3tcO21857 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-46.patriot.net [209.249.180.46]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1E3tac26429; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:55:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6B34C9.3EBDCA0B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:53:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Granato CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: email program recommendation References: <002401c1b50b$65ea34c0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use netscape email. Version antique, attempted to upgrade a few weeks ago but the new and improved netscape had two zillion popups and and a buncha trick junk I have no use for. KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid - my motto. Bill Laura Granato wrote: > I'm working on fixing up my computer and would like to get rid of this > crappy MSoutlook (too many security bugs). anyone out there use an email > program they want to recommend? I've been looking for one on Tucows, but > having not much luck...can I tell you how much I *hate* computers!!!???!!! > > TIA > LAG From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 13 23:44:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1E4iCO22622 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-139.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.139] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16bDkb-00016c-00; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:44:05 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020213234053.00b249d8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:45:15 -0500 To: "Laura Granato" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: OT: email program recommendation In-Reply-To: <002401c1b50b$65ea34c0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:55 PM 2/13/2002, you wrote: >I'm working on fixing up my computer and would like to get rid of this >crappy MSoutlook (too many security bugs). anyone out there use an email >program they want to recommend? I've been looking for one on Tucows, but >having not much luck...can I tell you how much I *hate* computers!!!???!!! I'd recommend getting rid of IE and Netscape as well, by using the Opera browser and its internal email client. Free (or not, as you choose), simple, works like a champ, and lets you control a lot more, like eliminating pop-up windows altogether. Eudora is just too aggravating, with periodic pop-up windows wanting to email the Eudora folks your machine configuration and usage statistics *even in the paid version.* -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 07:20:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [209.225.18.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1ECKAO29641 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [209.225.18.10]) by min.net (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ECLOQ13007; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:21:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from berman@XXXXXX) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:21:24 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Laura Granato cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: email program recommendation In-Reply-To: <002401c1b50b$65ea34c0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> Message-ID: <20020214071814.Q12665-100000@min.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I still use Pine. All mail/addressbook/configuration kept on the server so I can access it from anywhere and don't need to keep multiple copies. Absolutely no pop-ups, messages don't need to be downloaded, they are read one at a time. Multiple in-boxes can be checked for new mail with a single key. Multiple identities with differing sets of rules can be without exiting and restarting program. Choice of which identity can be based on rules defined for the currently read message. Arbitrary headers can be added. All free and openly licensed. The source code is even available if you'd like that. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Laura Granato wrote: > I'm working on fixing up my computer and would like to get rid of this > crappy MSoutlook (too many security bugs). anyone out there use an email > program they want to recommend? I've been looking for one on Tucows, but > having not much luck...can I tell you how much I *hate* computers!!!???!!! > > TIA > LAG > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 08:46:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1EDkCO01033 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.136.8fdb620 (4116) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:45:53 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <136.8fdb620.299d1991@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:45:53 EST Subject: Re: 748R To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/13/2002 12:38:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, genna@XXXXXX writes: > You need to pass inspection... You need to be registered before you can ride on the street and that may be the bug. If your title/manufacturers certificate of origin states "For off road use" it may be impossible. (I just saw a report on the news on dirt bikes being ridden on local streets and how awful it was (not my words) and how they are cracking down.) And frankly I wonder why you want to go to the trouble? I know you stated that you want to break in the bike pre-track but I think that may be unnecessary and in fact counter productive, a bike designed for racing is designed to break in very quickly and will go from broken in to wearing out within miles. Also these bikes are designed for racing stresses which are very different from street stresses, no sitting at lights for instance, so the stop and go of street use may in fact cause damage to them. How about our racing folk out there. What do you think? How would you break in a full race bike? John: who did make several competition dirt bikes street legal back in the old days, but they cracked down on that. (another state, another time.) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 09:07:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1EE7qO01423 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g1EE7ow00787 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:07:51 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 748R Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:07:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <136.8fdb620.299d1991@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <136.8fdb620.299d1991@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02021409075000.01350@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 14 February 2002 08:45, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >What do you think? How would you break > in a full race bike? We break in all our race motors on the Dyno, then take them to the track. Three - Four heat cycles, a couple low RPM runs through the gears, then several full pulls and they're ready to go. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 09:30:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13907.mail.yahoo.com (web13907.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1EEUdO01830 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:30:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020214143038.95788.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.76.2] by web13907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:30:38 PST Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:30:38 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: OT: email program recommendation To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002401c1b50b$65ea34c0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pegasus mail is a nice mail package that is freeware for non-commercial use. Keith --- Laura Granato wrote: > I'm working on fixing up my computer and would like > to get rid of this > crappy MSoutlook (too many security bugs). anyone > out there use an email > program they want to recommend? I've been looking > for one on Tucows, but > having not much luck...can I tell you how much I > *hate* computers!!!???!!! > > TIA > LAG > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 10:28:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1EFSuO02758 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:28:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:28:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202141028.AA237568642@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dale Horstman >Pass on my regards to Bob, and my congrats on his completion of the >IBR. It was a heck of a ride, even if he bitched and hated every >mile of it... :) Has Bob ever had a ride in which he DIDN'T have a bad time? Really, I can't think of any, but perhaps he writes only about the "extreme" ones. :-) I know Bob Higdon, I'm a friend of Bob Higdon, but I'm no Bob Higdon, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 10:47:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1EFlaO03069 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GRJ0040156ZUJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:47:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GRJ003JO56Y16@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:47:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GRJ00C0156PQB@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:47:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GRJ007Q856GP9@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:47:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:47:03 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C6BDBF7.813107B7@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200202141028.AA237568642@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote: > > Has Bob ever had a ride in which he DIDN'T have a bad time? Really, I can't think of any, but perhaps he writes only about the "extreme" ones. > I think Leon said something once along the lines of "he's never met a person who hates riding like Bob does, who rides so much..." :) Have fun teasing Bob, bummed I can't make it. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 11:38:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1EGcBO03778 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GRJ00M017DQWM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:34:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GRJ00KAD7DPMY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:34:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GRJ000017DNY0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:34:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GRJ0002C7D9FF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:34:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:34:19 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: FW: Ho hum, just another day on the river. [Non-Moto] To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <001e01c1b575$74148ef0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal For a "marine" illustration of the defensive driving technique advocated by Schwarzenegger... Dang! Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-live-aboard@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-live-aboard@XXXXXX]On Behalf Of Jim Lynch Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:44 AM To: Live Aboard Subject: lv-ab: Ho hum, just another day on the river. http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/r/a/rayf/Ramblers/towboat.html ___________________________________________________________________________ || The Live-Aboard List : send a "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" request || || in body of message to: live-aboard-request@XXXXXX || From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 14:48:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1EJmTO06750 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.c6.692879a (17529) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:48:02 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:48:02 EST Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/14/2002 10:31:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > I know Bob Higdon, Just came back from a lovely lunch with Bob Higdon, and some other folk. Thanks all, it was a great lunch. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 15:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mx-relay1.treas.gov (mx-relay1.treas.gov [199.196.144.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1EK0WO06974 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from tias4.treas.gov (tias-gw4.treas.gov [199.196.144.14]) by mx-relay1.treas.gov (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02070 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:00:30 -0500 (EST) From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Received: from no.name.available by tias4.treas.gov via smtpd (for mx-relay1.treas.gov [199.196.144.5]) with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 20:00:26 UT Received: from fw2.do.treas.gov. (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub-3.net.treas.gov (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id g1EJrd105540 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.20.75.25] by fw2.do.treas.gov. via smtpd (for mailhub.net.treas.gov [10.7.8.11]) with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 20:00:25 UT Received: from msbr02.do.treas.gov ([10.75.192.146]) by do.treas.gov (PMDF V6.0-24 #F4100) with ESMTP id <01KE9O66Y4AU8Y4XOV@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by msbr02.do.treas.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1HX82MXJ>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:59:48 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:59:47 -0500 Subject: Chilly To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C1B592.2770A170" X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1B592.2770A170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok, I first want to thank everyone for their e-mails concerning my tires, I got the Bridgestone BT-020's and they're great, and Crossroads did a good job with them, no hassels. But now that I'm riding again (finally) I am having trouble keeping warm, more specifically my hands. I have a pair of leather riding gloves, that are not winter gloves. I don't have much money and was looking for some advice or tips on how to keep the hands from going practically numb. I have ski gloves, but don't want to sacrifice the protection that riding gloves offer. 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Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 15:16:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1EKGaO07235 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <15BMLMBP>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:16:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Chilly Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:16:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I went to Powersport to look at some heavier gloves this fall. A salesman there actually helped me and told me about glove liners. They're basically a thin cloth glove made with Thinsulate that goes under your glove and sells for $5. I had never heard of them and was glad to learn that I could get something cheap, not bulky, and still have protection. In true Posersport fashion the 10 days I was told it would take to get them (they had to order them) was closer to 50. I saw some this weekend at CycleSport in Herndon. They do a decent job, nothing incredible, but you can feel a difference. I don't do too much riding once the temperature is in the 30s though. -----Original Message----- From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX [mailto:Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 3:00 PM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Chilly Ok, I first want to thank everyone for their e-mails concerning my tires, I got the Bridgestone BT-020's and they're great, and Crossroads did a good job with them, no hassels. But now that I'm riding again (finally) I am having trouble keeping warm, more specifically my hands. I have a pair of leather riding gloves, that are not winter gloves. I don't have much money and was looking for some advice or tips on how to keep the hands from going practically numb. I have ski gloves, but don't want to sacrifice the protection that riding gloves offer. Thanks, Mike From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 15:18:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (pcp732049pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net [68.49.160.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1EKIJO07245 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (bonaire.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.12]) by bonaire.brauhausdc.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g1EKIJj06702; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:18:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:18:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: Tom Gimer cc: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon In-Reply-To: <20020214200305.67989.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Use the Web Luke: First link froma google search: http://www.ironbutt.com/higdon/higindx.html On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:03:05 -0800 (PST) > From: Tom Gimer > To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon > > now that it's done it would be nice if someone clued the > rest of us in on WHO THE F bob higdon is.... > > > > --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 2/14/2002 10:31:18 AM Eastern Standard > > Time, > > cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > I know Bob Higdon, > > > > Just came back from a lovely lunch with Bob Higdon, and > > some other folk. > > Thanks all, it was a great lunch. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 15:22:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1EKMtO07354 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GRJ00001HXUUW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:22:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GRJ00MHEHXUOV@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:22:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GRJ00301HXGZU@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:22:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.65]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GRJ00MMNHXEHP@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:22:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:22:25 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon To: Tom Gimer Cc: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C6C1C81.86067F0B@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020214200305.67989.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > > now that it's done it would be nice if someone clued the > rest of us in on WHO THE F bob higdon is.... Seriously? You've never heard of one of the principal lawyers responsible for HOV in VA allowing motorcycles? That's one of his (many) accomplishments. World class curmudgeon and (attempted) world class motorcycle traveller, as well as recent IB Rally finisher are a few of others... Horkster PS: I suppose you could throw talented writer in there, too. At least I get a kick out of his posts and humor. -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 15:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h021.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1EKdVO07629 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 17292 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 12:39:23 -0800 Received: from 63.153.249.177 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.185) with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 12:39:23 -0800 X-Sent: 14 Feb 2002 20:39:23 GMT Message-ID: <006c01c1b598$fbb9d180$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Joann Baker" , "dean s smith" , "James Gaal" , "Brian Summers" , "Rosalie Lacorazza" , , "Sam Heim" , , "Tight Squeeze Racing" Subject: o/t: roommate wanted Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:48:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Well, I'm starting to get my life back in order and I'm thinking that I could possibly use a roommate. Here's the deal: * three-level townhouse in Centreville, starting sometime around april or may * I have a dog and two cats, so you have to like animals, but not bring any of your own :-) The cats are a special breed that don't bother those with allergies to cats. * Own bedroom with own bathroom * Reserved parking * I would prefer to live with a male (easier to live with) but will consider a female * No pigs, drug addicts, alcoholics, or weirdos * lease can be done in 6-month increments $500 + half of utilities If you know anyone who is interested, have them email me! Thanks. Laura From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 15:51:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from out019.verizon.net (out019pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1EKplO07901 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ltanner ([4.63.9.23]) by out019.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020214205140.SPAO379.out019.verizon.net@ltanner> for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:51:40 -0600 From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:44:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Bob Higdon asked to tell whoever he was talking to about orange helmets that he got the price wrong. It was somewhere in the $150-200 range instead. Lunch was fun, Higdon was his own curmudgeonly self, though highly entertaining. Thanks for setting it up Matt. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 16:11:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13005.mail.yahoo.com (web13005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1ELBDO08224 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:11:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020214211110.11074.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.61.162.84] by web13005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:11:10 PST Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:11:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Just came back from a lovely lunch with Bob Higdon, and some other folk. > Thanks all, it was a great lunch. > > John Walters (Long John) I was only able to catch about half to 3/4ths of what Bob said, but was still highly entertained by his stories. Are any of his articles on line? (he mentioned being a columnist in a magazine, I imagine a Beemer rag?) It was his chronicals about the Iron Butt that got me more interested in the organization in the first place. I almost laughed when he was talking about how painful it was for him to speak in public though. For the first Capitol 1000, he gave a very stern talk about keeping the speeds at a reasonable level, and he certainly wasn't shy about yelling at all of us before the fact! :-) [see http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/capitol/ for more info] Sorry I had to run out early though... I was supposed to be at a meeting at 1:00 pm, but wanted to hear more and more. Looked down at my watch, and oh crap, I gotta GO!!! Turns out they really didn't need me at the meeting anyway. Grrrr! Hope I left enough money, since I didn't see the check before I left!! Thanks for setting this up! If there are more lunch meets, I'd definitely be interested! For those of you who are familiar with the Iron Butt, after hearing Bob talk about how he was goaded into running by Mike Kneebone, it reminded me, wasn't Ed Otto supposed to organize the run one year so Lord Kneebone could be a competitor again? Would be great to see! Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 16:46:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1ELksO08812 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:46:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020214214651.3063.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:46:51 PST Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:46:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: o/t: roommate wanted To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006c01c1b598$fbb9d180$f14efea9@dccracing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Laura Granato wrote: > Well, I'm starting to get my life back in order and I'm > thinking that I > could possibly use a roommate. Here's the deal: > * No pigs, drug addicts, alcoholics, or weirdos now this sounds downright boring! ;) laura, i must have been asleep for a while..... what happened to your life that it needed "getting back in order"? seriously... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 17:13:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1EMDIO09308 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9k08d01 ([12.91.130.207]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020214221256.TMDK557.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@9k08d01> for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:12:56 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01c1b5a4$f1eba1e0$cf825b0c@9k08d01> From: "Patrick Caulfield" To: Subject: Mounting tires Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:14:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1B57B.0876E8E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1B57B.0876E8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know of a cheap way/place to get tires remounted? I'm = taking the Cornerspeed riding school and I'm going to put a fresh set on = before I go. Any tips would be appreciated! I don't feel like spending = $100 changing tires just for a day. I want to put my street tires back = on sooner afterward for the street and save the other ones for a few = more track days (if they are't torn to shreds). Changing frequently = won't damage the tires will it? Thanks, Chayne Caulfield ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1B57B.0876E8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone know of a cheap way/place = to get tires=20 remounted?  I'm taking the Cornerspeed riding school and I'm going = to put a=20 fresh set on before I go.  Any tips would be appreciated!  I = don't=20 feel like spending $100 changing tires just for a day.  I want to = put my=20 street tires back on sooner afterward for the street and save the other = ones for=20 a few more track days (if they are't torn to=20 shreds).  Changing frequently won't damage the tires = will=20 it?
 
Thanks,
Chayne = Caulfield
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1B57B.0876E8E0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 17:29:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-mx006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1EMTkO09566 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 10783 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 14:29:39 -0800 Received: from 63.157.119.35 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 14:29:39 -0800 X-Sent: 14 Feb 2002 22:29:39 GMT Message-ID: <004301c1b5a8$634cdf40$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Dave Paper" , "Tom Gimer" , References: Subject: Roach & Laura, was: Re: o/t: roommate wanted Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:38:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > I was going to ask the same thing, but didn't want to do it publically > (thanks for takin' the heat Tom :). > > -dave Unfortunately, things didn't work out as planned, but hey...they never do. That's good news for all of you guys, though, is I'm back in town. LOL (<--trying to make myself feel better). Brian and I are great buddies, and you may see us still racing together this season...that's yet to be determined. But, that's the short of it. Thanks to everyone who has sent me well wishes. I really appreciate the support, as I truly need it right now! Even you, Gimer. ;-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 17:34:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14005.mail.yahoo.com (web14005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1EMY9O09653 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:34:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020214223407.24183.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.24] by web14005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:34:07 PST Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:34:07 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Mounting tires To: Patrick Caulfield , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001c01c1b5a4$f1eba1e0$cf825b0c@9k08d01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii With a little practice and a couple of tools, you can change your own tires in less time than it takes to haul the wheels to someone else, wait for them to do the work and haul them back home. I replaced the rear tire on a BMW R1150GS in a city park in Omaha, Nebraska last summer in under an hour. Had to buy a C-clamp and pair of tire irons, but the dealer that had the tire wouldn't do the work that day, so there wasn't much of a choice. Balancing them takes some additional time if that's needed. Leon. --- Patrick Caulfield wrote: > Does anyone know of a cheap way/place to get tires > remounted? I'm taking the Cornerspeed riding school > and I'm going to put a fresh set on before I go. > Any tips would be appreciated! I don't feel like > spending $100 changing tires just for a day. I want > to put my street tires back on sooner afterward for > the street and save the other ones for a few more > track days (if they are't torn to shreds). Changing > frequently won't damage the tires will it? > > Thanks, > Chayne Caulfield > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 17:45:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1EMjfO09921 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.48.6992bf0 (15892); Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from web46.aolmail.aol.com (web46.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.7]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID87-0214174505; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:45:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:45:04 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: o/t: roommate wanted To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <48.6992bf0.299d97f1@aol.com> Same here. Didn't you move in with Roach somewhere? Scooter In a message dated Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:50:34 AEST, Tom Gimer writes: > --- Laura Granato wrote: > > Well, I'm starting to get my life back in order and I'm > > thinking that I > > could possibly use a roommate. Here's the deal: > > > > * No pigs, drug addicts, alcoholics, or weirdos > > now this sounds downright boring! ;) > > laura, i must have been asleep for a while..... what > happened to your life that it needed "getting back in > order"? seriously... > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 18:14:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f89.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1ENEqO10345 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:14:45 -0800 Received: from 68.48.87.207 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:14:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.48.87.207] From: "Rob Keiser" To: p.caulfield@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mounting tires Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:14:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2002 23:14:45.0949 (UTC) FILETIME=[6447EED0:01C1B5AD] Not sure where you are, but if you're in Montgomery Co. take the wheels and tires to Dave (and the gang) at CAD Cycles in Gaithersburg and it'll be just $15 per wheel to mount and balance. 301-977-7188 They did my last set on the VFR and I was quite pleased. YMMV, yadda yadda yadda Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Patrick Caulfield" To: Subject: Mounting tires Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:14:17 -0500 Does anyone know of a cheap way/place to get tires remounted? I'm taking the Cornerspeed riding school and I'm going to put a fresh set on before I go. Any tips would be appreciated! I don't feel like spending $100 changing tires just for a day. I want to put my street tires back on sooner afterward for the street and save the other ones for a few more track days (if they are't torn to shreds). Changing frequently won't damage the tires will it? Thanks, Chayne Caulfield _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 14 21:08:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-mx006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1F28aO12904 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 8327 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 18:08:26 -0800 Received: from 63.159.24.71 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 18:08:26 -0800 X-Sent: 15 Feb 2002 02:08:26 GMT Message-ID: <004001c1b5c6$f40b0700$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , , References: <48.6992bf0.299d97f1@aol.com> Subject: Re: o/t: roommate wanted Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:17:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > Same here. Didn't you move in with Roach somewhere? > > Scooter > Yes, we moved to Delaware, but now he's there and I'm here. Laura From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 15 10:37:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-4.cais.net (stmpy-4.cais.net [205.252.14.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1FFbSO25022 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dc13.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.209.13]) by stmpy-4.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g1FFbQF67275 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:37:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a901c1b632$30e94ae0$4a5908d1@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Announce: Lunch with Robert Higdon Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:05:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Matt -- A fine February interlude. Thanks for doing this -- enough notice, a convenient, tasty place, good company, and, of course, an interesting and engaging guest (and he autographed his record acknowledgement in my "Against the Wind", in which Leon Begeman and Louis Caplan are also mentioned ). Appreciated. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> I do lunch Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 15 12:28:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1FHSvO26794 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1Z7XQ729>; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:32:08 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B2DF@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Fred Fiske on helmet laws Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:32:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Kudos to Matthew Patton for arranging lunch with Bob Higdon. It was a rare treat tho I arrived last. This popped up last Saturday: Commentary: Fred Fiske on motorcycle helmet laws in Maryland http://www.wamu.org/ram/2002/mc020209-3.ram Rather than treat the list to yet another helmet thread, let's write our State and Federal legislators. AMA comment in the latest issue: "Greg Harrison Column Muddy waters Insurance institute makes like a hippo. It was up to the AMA to determine that the information being spewed out by the IIHS was, in fact, intestinal byproduct." Personally, I'm ticked that Maryland offers so few MSF courses; they're booked with a month of opening. Lack of instructors or lack of instructors who can commit to two weekends a month? Carl in Bethesda (Wears a helmet anyway for comfort . . . and safety. ) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 15 14:12:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1FJC5O28530 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:12:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020215191202.8598.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:12:02 PST Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:12:02 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV To: CBR List , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those of you who doubted Speedvision's, I mean Speed Channels, goal of becoming NASCAR TV, here is a link: http://www.nascar.com/2002/races/ontv/headlines/02/06/speed_channel/index.html Some of the more interesting quotes from this news release from February 6: ...the first channel-within-a-channel devoted to a single sport. NASCAR TV ... ...an unprecedented, dedicated block of NASCAR-related programming... and the big kicker.... NASCAR TV airs between 3:00 PM and Midnight ET on weekday afternoons and evenings. So let's see, during the week, when I work and am never home before 3pm, my ONLY OPTION is to watch NASCAR TV at night?? There will NEVER be anything on Speed Channel BUT NASCAR between 3pm and midnight during the week?? Please tell me I'm not the only person this pisses off. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 15 14:27:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1FJR2O28788 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g1FJQMs20474; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:26:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:26:22 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: stephen cutchins cc: CBR List , DC Cycles Subject: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV In-Reply-To: <20020215191202.8598.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well if you would check the SpeedChannel schedule you'll see that they're still going to show motorcycle racing on Tuesdays even after the launch of Nascar TV. Hugh From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 15 14:34:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1FJXxO28895 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:33:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020215193354.76686.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:33:54 PST Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:33:54 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV To: CBR List , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Do you really think that it stops here? I don't give a damn if they don't do away with ANY motorcycle programming, the fact that they are headed towards NASCAR TV in any way pisses me off as a consumer, as it should piss you off too. I don't want them taking away boats, rally cars, planes, hell even lawnmower races. FOX owns Speed Channel now, they have the money to make a real NASCAR channel without screwing with Speed Channel, my hope is that by expressing my dissatisfaction now I can put off 100% NASCAR TV. Get it? --- hcaldwell wrote: > > Well if you would check the SpeedChannel schedule > you'll see that they're still going to show > motorcycle racing > on Tuesdays even after the launch of Nascar TV. > > Hugh > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 15 14:49:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1FJnXO29164 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g1FJmrE20529; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:48:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:48:53 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: stephen cutchins cc: CBR List , DC Cycles Subject: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV In-Reply-To: <20020215193354.76686.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry I 'm afraid I don't share your prejudice against Nascar so it doesn't piss me off in the least. Hugh From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 15 15:21:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13808.mail.yahoo.com (web13808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1FKLtO29710 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:21:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020215202149.3355.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:21:49 PST Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:21:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV To: hcaldwell , stephen cutchins Cc: CBR List , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think he is against NASCAR as much as he is for variety. The great thing about Speedvision was the diversity...motorcycles, rally cars, F1, airplans, and on and on. By making it NASCAR-only (or almost) Fox has destroyed a great thing. I am not surprised. Look at the Olympics. The best American skiier can be 3 seconds behind the leader, but NBC makes it seem like he/she is the only competitor. If sports don't fit into our nice "Americanized" (NASCARized?) packages, forget it. Or that is at least what the big 4 think. mark --- hcaldwell wrote: > > Sorry I 'm afraid I don't share your > prejudice against Nascar so it doesn't piss me off > in > the least. > > Hugh > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 15 15:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1FKV5O29904 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from M2W056 ([168.144.108.56]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:31:05 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:30:29 -0500 To: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2002 20:31:05.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[B13A9780:01C1B65F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1FKV6O29905 Yet more evidence that Kitchell is un-American and a godless communist! %^) Original Message : I am not surprised. Look at the Olympics. The best American skiier can be 3 seconds behind the leader, but NBC makes it seem like he/she is the only competitor. If sports don't fit into our nice "Americanized" (NASCARized?) packages, forget it. Or that is at least what the big 4 think. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 15 17:16:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1FMGfO01651 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-185-128.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.185.128] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16bqeW-0002Ce-00; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:16:25 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020215170609.00b08888@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:17:36 -0500 To: stephen cutchins , CBR List , DC Cycles From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV In-Reply-To: <20020215193354.76686.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Stephen Quixote wrote: >.... I don't give >a damn if they don't do away with ANY motorcycle >programming, the fact that they are headed towards >NASCAR TV in any way pisses me off as a consumer, as >it should piss you off too. .... my hope is that by expressing my >dissatisfaction now I can put off 100% NASCAR TV. Get it? Stephen, I share your sentiments, but the vast (or half-vast) majority of Americans love: -- fast food, -- lite beer and lager, -- Krispy Kreme donuts, -- figure skating, -- USA Today, -- television news, -- Disney anything, -- TV and other frozen dinners, -- TV series, -- Wonder "Bread", -- Charbucks or dishwater coffee, usually in combination with milk, -- 3,000 lb + cars, automatic transmissions, power steering, and power brakes, to name just a few. Good luck with the windmills. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 15 17:44:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1FMiIO02020 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-6.patriot.net [209.249.181.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1FMi3E21243; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:44:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6D8ECB.59A696DF@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:42:19 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: stephen cutchins , CBR List , DC Cycles Subject: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020215170609.00b08888@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > Stephen, I share your sentiments, but the vast (or half-vast) majority of > Americans love: > > -- fast food, > -- lite beer and lager, > -- Krispy Kreme donuts, > -- figure skating, > -- USA Today, > -- television news, > -- Disney anything, > -- TV and other frozen dinners, > -- TV series, > -- Wonder "Bread", > -- Charbucks or dishwater coffee, usually in combination with milk, > -- 3,000 lb + cars, automatic transmissions, power steering, and power brakes, > > to name just a few. Good luck with the windmills. > > -- Larry Whoo, I'm outta the loop fer sure. I like *women* figure skating - nice butts! And I reckon my 4,000 lb trucks with tow packages are close to a 3,000 lb car. But the rest of the list is a wash - no cow in my coffee. No comment on NASCAR TV either - no speedvision on my cheap basic cable. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 15 19:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1G0qaO03995 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (user185.anent.com [208.195.115.185]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01567; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:49:38 -0500 Message-ID: <008d01c1b684$3ae355c0$b973c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" , "CBR List" References: <20020215191202.8598.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:52:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Have you actually looked at the Speed Shannel web site? http://www.speedtv.com/ Look at the huge banner that says "AMA Pro Racing Lives On Speed"! Or Have you actually read the program schedule? http://www.speedtv.com/programs/?lvl=1s&cat=3 Go to the schedule and use the pull down under "Search by Program" Select "Motorcycles" and click filter and look at the schedule for the next 2 Tuesdays. If you don't like what you see then send them some email. viewermail@XXXXXX Bitching about it here will do nothing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen cutchins" > For those of you who doubted Speedvision's, I mean > Speed Channels, goal of becoming NASCAR TV, here is a > link: > > http://www.nascar.com/2002/races/ontv/headlines/02/06/speed_channel/index.ht ml > > Some of the more interesting quotes from this news > release from February 6: > > ...the first channel-within-a-channel devoted to a > single sport. NASCAR TV ... > > ...an unprecedented, dedicated block of NASCAR-related > programming... > > and the big kicker.... > > NASCAR TV airs between 3:00 PM and Midnight ET on > weekday afternoons and evenings. > > So let's see, during the week, when I work and am > never home before 3pm, my ONLY OPTION is to watch > NASCAR TV at night?? There will NEVER be anything on > Speed Channel BUT NASCAR between 3pm and midnight > during the week?? > > Please tell me I'm not the only person this pisses off. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 15 21:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1G2RQO05354 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g1G2RPw05001 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:27:25 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:27:24 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020215191202.8598.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020215191202.8598.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0202152127240C.01350@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 15 February 2002 14:12, stephen cutchins wrote: > For those of you who doubted Speedvision's, I mean > Speed Channels, goal of becoming NASCAR TV, here is a > link: > > http://www.nascar.com/2002/races/ontv/headlines/02/06/speed_channel/index.h >tml Which is incorrrect. Whomever wrote the article obviously picked up the old (also incorrect) release from SpeedVision when they first announced "Speed Channel". Several days later they posted a correction, saying NASCAR TV was only going to be on a couple nights a week. > Please tell me I'm not the only person this pisses off. Possibly, because I actually looked at their programming schedule and found the information you posted to be incorrect. As they have stated numerous times in print as well as spots running on the network itself, they are not going to be an all NASCAR channel. They are running more NASCAR stuff than before, but in place of the boat and airplane shows which I wasn't watching anyway. If you actually go and look at the schedule for yourself, you'll find motorcycles, world rally, F1, etc as well as *NEW NON-NASCAR* stuff like FIA drag racing, AMA Supercross, etc. Their Daytona AMA coverage, for example, greatly exceeds what they did last year. ::sigh:: - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 15 22:54:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1G3sgO06558 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p52.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.52]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g1G3secd010991 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:54:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:54:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c1b69d$b4da2340$3481c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0202152127240C.01350@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Nascarvision... oye. > http://www.nascar.com/2002/races/ontv/headlines/02/06/speed_channel/inde x.h >tml NASCAR TV was only going to be on a couple nights a week. > Please tell me I'm not the only person this pisses off. ...they are not going to be an all NASCAR channel. They are running more NASCAR stuff than before, but in place of the boat and airplane shows which I wasn't watching anyway. That I can live with, I just hope that's not the only cage racing they get into - Hopefully they'll still be showing Trans Am, touring cars etc... If you actually go and look at the schedule for yourself, you'll find motorcycles, world rally, F1, etc as well as *NEW NON-NASCAR* stuff like FIA drag racing, AMA Supercross, etc. Their Daytona AMA coverage, for example, greatly exceeds what they did last year. I don't mind Nascar in moderation, but it's really gotten way too far away from it's roots. IF it will pave the way for more & better motorcycle coverage, great. If it's going to get in the way, that will suck huge. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 00:35:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1G5ZVO08052 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from vaio ([68.49.202.82]) by femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020216053525.MTNS28810.femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com@vaio> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:35:25 -0800 Reply-To: From: "James Reazor" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:35:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0202152127240C.01350@firewall.dcc-racing.org> >etc as well as *NEW NON-NASCAR* stuff like FIA drag racing, AMA Supercross, etc. >Their Daytona AMA coverage, for example, greatly exceeds what they did last >year. >::sigh:: >- Roach hooray... drags and Supercross. Personally, I'd rather watch boats and airplanes. As Mark mentioned, Speedvision's real strength was in it's variety. Where else could you see Motorcycle Trials, European Truck Racing, Jet Sprints or British Touring Cars? At least we've still got Motosport Mundial at 11:30 on Mondays... for now. Along with the wealth of new non-NASCAR stuff we get NASCAR Past Champions, NASCAR Classics, Inside Winston Cup, NASCAR Victory Lane and that's just part of Wednesday's line-up. The rest of the week we get to look forward to reruns of the above plus Totally NASCAR, NASCAR Tech, Qualifying and reruns of the races. I know speed week is somehow special but still, how can anyone think it's a good idea to let Dee Dub-yah and the good ol' boys prattle on for what? 3 hours a night? for a whole week? Bob Varsha's gotta be looking for a new job by now. The bottom line is that Fox didn't buy Speed Channel to not make money. Apparently they thought they could draw more revenue with more NASCAR. They're probably right. I will miss what Speedvision was but on the up side, I'll have more free time to finish some of those half done projects that are lying around the house. I echo the ::sigh:: but for entirely different reasons. -James From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 02:22:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1G7McO09787 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 02:22:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g1G7Mbw05540 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 02:22:37 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 02:22:37 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0202160222370G.01350@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Saturday 16 February 2002 00:35, you wrote: > hooray... drags and Supercross. Personally, I'd rather watch boats and > airplanes. As Mark mentioned, Speedvision's real strength was in it's > variety. Where else could you see Motorcycle Trials, European Truck Racing, > Jet Sprints or British Touring Cars? At least we've still got Motosport > Mundial at 11:30 on Mondays... for now. When did you ever see truck racing outside of Motorsport Mundial? As for the other things... they're all still there, just like before, nothing has changed. Ok... Jet Sprints... you got me on that one. I don't know if you mean planes or boats though. I encourage everyone to actually look at the programming schedule before posting to various lists that item X is no longer being shown. I ran through two months of the schedule and found nothing different than before, except for boats and planes. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 09:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1GELhO18017 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p50.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.50]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g1GELbcd003176; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:21:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: , Subject: RE: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:21:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c1b6f5$45486660$3281c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <0202160222370G.01350@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Importance: Normal Roach insolently suggests - I encourage everyone to actually look at the programming schedule before posting to various lists that item X is no longer being shown. WHAT?! If we did that, internet rumors wouldn't get started ! Suggesting people ACTUALLY DO something instead of having someone else do it for them ??? What's all this ? Quit trying to squash the rampant rumors, Roach... You'll give the internet a bad name ;-) I ran through two months of the schedule and found nothing different than before Whew. For a while there, I was thinking that I might have to look through the schedule... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 09:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1GEQkO18048 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p50.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.50]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g1GEQicd003630 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:26:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Helmet life Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:26:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c1b6f5$fc2042e0$3281c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal What is the life expectancy of a motorcycle helmet that is not impacted, suffering only normal wear & tear ? Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 09:36:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1GEaOO18266 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g1GEZjw06285; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:35:56 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Dave Yates" , "DC Cycles List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Re: Helmet life Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:35:42 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" References: <000c01c1b6f5$fc2042e0$3281c0cf@nih.gov> In-Reply-To: <000c01c1b6f5$fc2042e0$3281c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0202160935420H.01350@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Saturday 16 February 2002 09:26, Dave Yates wrote: > What is the life expectancy of a motorcycle helmet that is not impacted, > suffering only normal wear & tear ? 5 years, according to Snell. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 09:57:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1GEvpO18579 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-64.patriot.net [209.249.181.64]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1GEviE15436; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:57:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6E7301.A2256603@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:56:01 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Helmet life References: <000c01c1b6f5$fc2042e0$3281c0cf@nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > What is the life expectancy of a motorcycle helmet that is not impacted, > suffering only normal wear & tear ? > 5 years is conservative but reasonable. Worn practically every day, 5 years would take a wear toll on the comfort liner, not to mention the accumulated hair grease (poo-tinky!). The impact adsorbtion liner might be slightly comprimised, the styrene is subject to environmental deteriation. The shell would be fine. It's a fibreglass/kevlar maybe carbon fibre reenforced epoxy/polyester laminate. How long does a fibreglass boat last? Longer than the payments - har har har. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 12:04:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1GH4tO20317 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-13-186.s948.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.13.186] helo=electraglide) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16c8Gc-000132-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:04:54 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c1b70c$14f25180$1d00a8c0@cycles.local> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Equal Access Bill Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:05:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1B6E2.2ACE1EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1B6E2.2ACE1EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a bill (HB 1182) to prohibit discrimination based on 'mode of = transportation'. http://mlis.state.md.us/2002rs/billfile/hb1182.htm Just curious about how participants of this list feel about Maryland HB = 1182. k.loerich ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1B6E2.2ACE1EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is a bill (HB 1182) to prohibit=20 discrimination based on 'mode of transportation'.
 
http://mlis.s= tate.md.us/2002rs/billfile/hb1182.htm
 
Just curious about how = participants of this=20 list feel about Maryland HB 1182.
 
k.loerich
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1B6E2.2ACE1EA0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 13:45:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1GIjIO21794 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-64.patriot.net [209.249.181.64]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1GIjGE14947; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:45:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6EA856.AA0553F7@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:43:34 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathleen Loerich CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Equal Access Bill References: <001101c1b70c$14f25180$1d00a8c0@cycles.local> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2DC0B302AFE9F8807C557BED" --------------2DC0B302AFE9F8807C557BED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So the local patch club who's hobbies are carrying concealed and dealing drugs chooses your bar to hang out. The mainstream customers bail - you're going outta bizz. Although I see a need for non-discrimination, this bill tramples the rights of a private bizz owner to protect the rights of who? How many reasonably attired (no patchs) motorcyclists have been refused service because of a beard, leathers, or the bike parked out front? I ride a black Harley *eek* evil biker! But I have never been turned away, and after a week on the road I can be known to look a wee bit scruffy. ABATE needs to lighten up on the paranoia... Bill Kathleen Loerich wrote: > There is a bill (HB 1182) to prohibit discrimination based on 'mode of > transportation'. http://mlis.state.md.us/2002rs/billfile/hb1182.htm Just > curious about how participants of this list feel about Maryland HB > 1182. k.loerich --------------2DC0B302AFE9F8807C557BED Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So the local patch club who's hobbies are carrying concealed and dealing drugs chooses your bar to hang out.  The mainstream customers bail - you're going outta bizz.  Although I see a need for non-discrimination, this bill tramples the rights of a private bizz owner to protect the rights of who?

How many reasonably attired (no patchs) motorcyclists have been refused service because of a beard, leathers, or the bike parked out front?   I ride a black Harley *eek* evil biker!  But I have never been turned away, and after a week on the road I can be known to look a  wee bit scruffy.

ABATE needs to lighten up on the paranoia...

Bill

Kathleen Loerich wrote:

There is a bill (HB 1182) to prohibit discrimination based on 'mode of transportation'. http://mlis.state.md.us/2002rs/billfile/hb1182.htm Just curious about how participants of this list feel about Maryland HB 1182. k.loerich
--------------2DC0B302AFE9F8807C557BED-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 14:26:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1GJQOO22318 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p43.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.43]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g1GJQIcd002420 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:26:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: RE: Equal Access Bill Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:21:32 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c1b71f$29e7a280$2b84c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1B6F5.41119A80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C6EA856.AA0553F7@patriot.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1B6F5.41119A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It will never happen. Way too vague, and looks like you couldn't post a sign saying 'no shirt, no shoes, no service'... Does this also mean that they can't turn you away riding a bicycle to the 7 11 with no flip flops & shirt ? This bill seems to be a solution in search of a problem, there's no prohibition on suing a proprietor for refusing to serve you (that I know of) in MD... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 1:44 PM To: Kathleen Loerich Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Equal Access Bill So the local patch club who's hobbies are carrying concealed and dealing drugs chooses your bar to hang out. The mainstream customers bail - you're going outta bizz. Although I see a need for non-discrimination, this bill tramples the rights of a private bizz owner to protect the rights of who? How many reasonably attired (no patchs) motorcyclists have been refused service because of a beard, leathers, or the bike parked out front? I ride a black Harley *eek* evil biker! But I have never been turned away, and after a week on the road I can be known to look a wee bit scruffy. ABATE needs to lighten up on the paranoia... Bill Kathleen Loerich wrote: There is a bill (HB 1182) to prohibit discrimination based on 'mode of transportation'. http://mlis.state.md.us/2002rs/billfile/hb1182.htm Just curious about how participants of this list feel about Maryland HB 1182. k.loerich ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1B6F5.41119A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It=20 will never happen.  Way too vague, and looks like you couldn't post = a sign=20 saying 'no shirt, no shoes, no service'...  Does this also mean = that they=20 can't turn you away riding a bicycle to the 7 11 with no flip flops = & shirt=20 ?  This bill seems to be a solution in search of a problem, = there's no=20 prohibition on suing a proprietor for refusing to serve you (that I=20 know of) in MD...
 

Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT = customized=20 M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/

-----Original Message-----
From: William J. Huson=20 [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX]
Sent: Saturday, February 16, = 2002 1:44=20 PM
To: Kathleen Loerich
Cc:=20 dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Equal Access=20 Bill

So the local patch club who's hobbies are = carrying=20 concealed and dealing drugs chooses your bar to hang out.  The = mainstream=20 customers bail - you're going outta bizz.  Although I see a need = for=20 non-discrimination, this bill tramples the rights of a private bizz = owner to=20 protect the rights of who?=20

How many reasonably attired (no patchs) motorcyclists have been = refused=20 service because of a beard, leathers, or the bike parked out=20 front?   I ride a black Harley *eek* evil biker!  But I = have=20 never been turned away, and after a week on the road I can be known to = look=20 a  wee bit scruffy.=20

ABATE needs to lighten up on the paranoia...=20

Bill=20

Kathleen Loerich wrote:=20

There is a bill (HB 1182) to = prohibit=20 discrimination based on 'mode of = transportation'. http://mlis.s= tate.md.us/2002rs/billfile/hb1182.htm Just curious about how participants of = this list=20 feel about Maryland HB 1182. k.loerich
= ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1B6F5.41119A80-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 14:50:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1GJouO22776 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from vaio ([68.49.202.82]) by femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020216195053.MXGR3193.femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com@vaio> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:50:53 -0800 Reply-To: From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: RE: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:51:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0202160222370G.01350@firewall.dcc-racing.org> OK, so the trucks may be a bit of a stretch. It used to run occasionally late at night. In the slots labeled "TBA" in the program guide. In fact, it's quite possible that I'm the only one that cares about that one:) Jet Sprints are boat races, almost like Rally-Cross on water except that they run one at a time. Like I said, they made a business decision to fill lots of air time with guys turning left. I have in fact looked at the schedule. I don't like it, I won't watch it, I'll miss what was there. Just an opinion. -James -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 2:23 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV On Saturday 16 February 2002 00:35, you wrote: > hooray... drags and Supercross. Personally, I'd rather watch boats and > airplanes. As Mark mentioned, Speedvision's real strength was in it's > variety. Where else could you see Motorcycle Trials, European Truck Racing, > Jet Sprints or British Touring Cars? At least we've still got Motosport > Mundial at 11:30 on Mondays... for now. When did you ever see truck racing outside of Motorsport Mundial? As for the other things... they're all still there, just like before, nothing has changed. Ok... Jet Sprints... you got me on that one. I don't know if you mean planes or boats though. I encourage everyone to actually look at the programming schedule before posting to various lists that item X is no longer being shown. I ran through two months of the schedule and found nothing different than before, except for boats and planes. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 19:16:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.147]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1H0GUO26603 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([68.48.192.112]) by femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020217001624.JEAB22522.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:16:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3C6EF64F.A187C983@home.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:16:15 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: [Fwd: Reminiscing.... Origins of the Concours] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AE597AB6880F9E2A9996CB1B" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AE597AB6880F9E2A9996CB1B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarded, by permission of the author. Good writing like this just needs to be shared. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress --------------AE597AB6880F9E2A9996CB1B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from mx9-tx.mail.home.com ([65.10.73.153]) by femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020215030326.UDBX28728.femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:03:26 -0800 Received: from moto.micapeak.com (moto.micapeak.com [206.96.184.128]) by mx9-tx.mail.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1F33PL28010; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:03:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from moto.micapeak.com (IDENT:503@XXXXXX [127.0.0.1]) by moto.micapeak.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g1F2wOl17273; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:58:24 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:58:24 -0800 Message-Id: <155101c1b5cc$5cbc88a0$12cfae3f@oemcomputer> Errors-To: cog-owner@XXXXXX Reply-To: douggrosjean@XXXXXX Originator: cog@XXXXXX Sender: cog@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk From: "Doug Grosjean" To: Concours Owners Group Subject: Reminiscing.... Origins of the Concours X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Concours Owners Group X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Cog, Was doing some web work tonight, scanning and writing - anybody up for a trip down memory lane? The following are two photos I took of Kawasaki GPz's. Have a look: http://www.gr8designs.com/Motorcycles/GPz-Red.jpg http://www.gr8designs.com/Motorcycles/GPz-Silver.jpg The red is a 1983 GPz-750 in South Mountain Park, outside Phoenix Arizona. Ridden by my former boss, Tom Callahan, back when we worked together at Arizona Kawasaki in Tempe. The silver is my modified 1984 GPz-550 in my dad's backyard, circa 1990. The frame is painted, wheels are painted, Fox shock, Kerker header, transmission gears undercut.... A lot of little things that helped make that bike an absolute joy to ride. To this day, it remains my favorite bike ever. Smooth, fast, light, raucous.... riding it made me smile real big...! The memory lane stuff is due to the fact that in the early 1980's I graduated from Motorcycle Mechanics Institute in Phoenix, and then spent about 5 years in dealerships in parts and service. The bulk of those years were spent in Arizona, at Arizona Kawasaki in Tempe and then the sister store Kelly's Kawasaki in Mesa, Arizona. In 1981, Kawasaki came out with the first GPz's, the 550's and 1100's. Followed by the 750 in 1982. By 1984, all the GPz line had gained frame mounted fairings and rubber engine mounts. The rounded fins had been restyled with sharp square edges to suggest new technology inside, or to tart up the same old, same old - depending on your point of view. Why? Because in 1982 Honda brought out their V4 V45 Sabre. Suddenly, all the people coming into our shop wanted to know if water cooled was better than air, whether our air-cooled inline fours were as smooth as the new Honda V4's... the styling licks and sharper and sharper focus of the GPz series reflected Kawasaki trying to keep customers in the face of Honda's new technology. In 1983, Honda brought out the first Interceptor, the 750 Interceptor. Everyone raved about it, it really was a revelation. Fast, pleasant, excellent handling, state of the art 16 valve liquid cooled V4 motor.... In the Kawasaki dealer where I worked, we felt we were sunk. The 1983 GPz-750 was a very poor seller. In magazines there were rumors of all the Japanese companies coming out with V4 motors. Our factory rep told us to just sit tight, that good things were coming, that Kawasaki was about to bring out a new line of liquid cooled engines that would be state of the art. A poster showing the entire 1984 Kawasaki lineup had a silhouette / profile, rather than a photo, of the bike that would be the 900 Ninja. Bear in mind that in 1984, all the Japanese brought out new big-bore sportbikes. Kawasaki had the 750 Turbo and the GPz-1100, Yamaha the FJ-1100, Honda the VF-1000 Interceptor, and Suzuki had hopped-up the GS-1100 and given it a new frame and sporty bodywork. Against that competition, the GPz's were a refined and mature design. They were at the end their time, as good as air-cooled fours would ever get, we just hated to admit it. Dinosaurs on their last legs... fast dinosaurs, but still dinosaurs. And then we found out that into this fray, the new Kawasaki was going to be a liquid cooled 900cc inline four. Oh crap.... An inline four? Shoot - old tech!!!! And how in the world did Kawasaki expect us to sell a 900cc engine against everybody else's 1000-1100cc motors? Then we got our first 900 Ninjas, put them together and rode them. Fast, smooth, excellent handling. Magazines tested them, and came back raving about the handling, about the power, about how the 900 Ninja felt like a GPz-550 on steroids with it's 10,500 rpm redline and peaky engine and six-speed transmission. We sold all we could get. The 900 Ninja was all we could have hoped for, and more. But it was a huge departure from the air cooled 8-valve inline fours Kawasaki had been selling for the past 10 years. For instance.... Where the GPz's hung their air cooled motors out for people to view, the 900 Ninja hid most of the motor hidden behind plastic. There were just a few abbreviated fins on the head, as styling touches, so that the engine looked somewhat "normal". The sixteen valve motor was cool with it's narrowed cylinder block and straight intake ports, but the layout was strange - the cam chain up the LH side rather than the traditional center. DOHC, but with rocker arms so that the home mechanic could adjust their own valves if so inclined. A car-type alternator mounted behind the cylinder block on the LH side of the motor. And an electric fan... a fan??? Sigh. It was exciting, it was new-age, but it also seemed so very automotive to those of us selling and servicing bikes at that time. What's funny in retrospect is just how successful those 900 Ninjas were, against everybody. At a time when the entire Japanese motorcycle industry was abuzz with rumors that the inline fours were finished, the 900 Ninja squelched all talk of the inline four design being dated or finished. People roadraced the 900 Ninjas, they toured quickly on them, they commuted, they cruised Main St. The 900 Ninja was also smooth, even though the engine was solidly mounted in the frame, thanks to the gear driven counterbalance shaft. Not quite as smooth as a V4 Honda, but far smoother than the KZ-1000's that the new bike replaced. Rider magazine did a great article around 1985, where they hung soft saddlebags and a tankbag on a 900 Ninja and talked about what a great sport-tourer that bike and motor made, with it's moderate seating position and strong smooth engine and great handling. And then in 1986 came the Concours. A bike that appears to have been designed to be a BMW clone, much as the Japanese V-twins are meant to be Harley clones. Compared to the BMW's of 1986, the Concours was fantastic - smoother than the K100rs, far cheaper, equal or superior in just about every measure of performance. And stuffed in the engine bay was an engine that just two years prior had been considered state of the art in the sportbike world. And sold with a promise by Kawasaki to make no major changes for 5 years, to allow the aftermarket time to develop accessories for the Concours as they had done for the BMW sport-touring bikes. A 5 year life cycle at that time was a very strange concept for the Japanese - typically a Japanese model life would be 3-5 years, max. Sadly, the Concours hasn't exactly taken the world by storm. At one point production was halted in the early 1990's, I can only assume due to poor sales. Now in the 21st century, the Concours has become a budget sport-tourer with a long history and a buzzy motor. While the 900 Ninja was considered pretty smooth in it's day, other machines have improved and so now the 900 Ninja and 1000 Concours both seem just a tad rough at high-rpm. I suspect that the 'Net has been somewhat responsible for reviving the Concours by allowing folks to ask about the strange Japanese Euro bike online, like on this list. The ironic part of the above is that now, almost 20 years later, Honda makes only two models with V4 motors, as does Yamaha. The inline four, thought to be dead in the early 1980's by many due to the inherent advantages of the V4, is alive and well after all this time - and you'd have a hard time buying a V4 motorcycle at all if you don't like the Royal Star, VFR-800, or ST-1300. The other thing about measuring the success of the 900 Ninja motor is to look at all the motors in the Kawasaki line-up based on that engine. The Concours, the current Lawson Replica, the ZZR-1200, the ZX-10 and ZX-11, the Eliminator. Twenty years after it was first designed, that engine is still being updated and used in brand new Big K products. Amazing....! The little engine that could.... Hoping that I haven't rambled too much here, or gotten too far off-topic. Best, Doug Grosjean Pemberville, Ohio http://www.gr8designs.com Trip Reports: http://www.gr8designs.com/Trips/TripReports.html --------------AE597AB6880F9E2A9996CB1B-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 19:32:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f34.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1H0WLO26835 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:20:25 -0800 Received: from 24.164.151.39 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 00:20:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.164.151.39] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NYC parking Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 00:20:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2002 00:20:25.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[E54FDFF0:01C1B748] Hello, is there anyone who knows where I could find parking in NYC? i have a honda vfr 98, have called many parking garages, but couldn't find anything. thank you, pierfrancesco _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 21:41:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1H2f3O28599 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:41:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ltanner ([4.63.9.23]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020217024052.BJZG9330.out011.verizon.net@ltanner> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:40:52 -0600 From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: No front brake Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:39:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 The front brake on my CBR is not functioning. The fluid level is fine, there are no puddles of brake fluid on the ground, but my front level is limp. I've pumped and pumped but I'm not getting anywhere. Where should I start? LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 22:08:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1H38pO29049 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:08:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-64.patriot.net [209.249.181.64]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H38nE18667; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:08:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6F1E5D.CE8B1549@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:07:09 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LindaT." CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: No front brake References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yikes! I hope you didn't discover the lack of front brakes when you needed them. Major pucker factor. Lever moves, fluid in master cylinder... Blown master cylinder perhaps? Dirt could clog as port and render the cylinder lame. If the brake line was kinked you should have major resistance to lever movement. Although it could be a rubber/neoprene brake line that has gone south and is ballooning. But if that was the case you'd still get some brake action. I'd probably crack the line near the cylinder and see if it squirts. Or just drain and flush and bleed the system down if the lines appear to be good. Bill LindaT. wrote: > The front brake on my CBR is not functioning. The fluid level is fine, > there are no puddles of brake fluid on the ground, but my front level is > limp. I've pumped and pumped but I'm not getting anywhere. > > Where should I start? > > LindaT. > Custom TankBags > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 16 22:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1H3MUO29252 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (07-080.068.popsite.net [64.24.90.80]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 60FB01C75A2 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:22:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000d01c1b762$8d0249e0$505a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Equal access bill... Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:22:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I didn't even read the bill, never bothered to click the link, but I'm sure I'd enjoy reading it a hell of a lot more than trying to sift through the HTML in which the original post was sent. We digest-ally impaired have an awful time with that HTML stuff. If you could please post to the list in plain text it would be appreciated (by more than just me I suspect). TIA. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 17 08:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1HDr8O08504 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.ba.2163072a (4357) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:52:10 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:52:09 EST Subject: Re: No front brake To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/16/2002 9:41:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, linda.tanner3@XXXXXX writes: > Where should I start? It would seem to me that you have air in the line somewhere and that would require bleeding. But I would want to know how it got there. If you had plenty of fluid in the reservoir and have not been fiddling with anything then the problem could recur, and could cause real trouble. I think you need to let someone who really knows motorcycle brakes have a first hand look at it, I mean this is serious stuff, you could be hurt or worse if it is not fixed correctly. P.S. Do remember that brake fluid will _destroy_ paint! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 17 12:31:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1HHVOO11604 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-114.s1638.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.114] helo=D7XFG711) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16cV9n-0007kk-00; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:31:23 -0500 Message-ID: <018d01c1b7d7$ed965ab0$722e2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "LindaT." , "DC-CYCLES" References: Subject: Re: No front brake Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:24:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I've been out of town and not following this thread too closely, so my apologies in advance if anyone has mentioned this already. I've had air bubbles on the VFR before at the bango bolt at the master cylinder. This is actually a high point in the system where a phanton air bubble can set up shop. Keep a little pressure on the lever and slowly loosen the banjo bolt. You may even hear a little sizzle of air. Close it back down when fluid appears. Be sure to keep pressure on the lever at all times. Hope that helps. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 9:39 PM Subject: No front brake > The front brake on my CBR is not functioning. The fluid level is fine, > there are no puddles of brake fluid on the ground, but my front level is > limp. I've pumped and pumped but I'm not getting anywhere. > > Where should I start? > > LindaT. From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 17 15:08:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1HK89O13901 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:08:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([68.48.192.112]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020217200748.LAYW27328.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:07:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3C700D8B.E439EE58@home.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:07:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV References: <000701c1b69d$b4da2340$3481c0cf@nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > > Nascarvision... oye. You gotta admit, though, NASCAR has some entertaining moments - even their commercials are good. Cut to scene with George Thorogood in a pool hall, playing a guitar, singing, "Now Dale races the truck And fans all gather 'round. They gaze in wild wonder, 'Cause it's big and it's brown. B-b-b-b-b-brown. B-b-b-b-brown. Brown to the bone..." :) (Dale Jarrett races the *88 NASCAR Ford Taurus for UPS) It's hysterical... :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 17 15:13:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1HKDsO14006 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([68.48.192.112]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020217201343.LIYB27328.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:13:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3C700EEE.29248FD5@home.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:13:34 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV References: <000701c1b69d$b4da2340$3481c0cf@nih.gov> <3C700D8B.E439EE58@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > > Dave Yates wrote: > > > > Nascarvision... oye. > > You gotta admit, though, NASCAR has some entertaining > moments - even their commercials are good. The Terry Labonte-Kelloggs-Chevy Monte Carlo commercial is pretty good, too. "Oh, cupholders!" I'm laughing my ass off watching the Daytona 500 today. I know, I should be out riding... :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 17 20:39:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from fc2.capaccess.org (fc2.capaccess.org.199.200.151.in-addr.arpa [151.200.199.52] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1I1dCO18985 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:39:12 -0500 (EST) Message-id: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:37:22 -0500 Subject: Re: No front brake To: linda.tanner3@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit linda.tanner3@XXXXXX writes: >The front brake on my CBR is not functioning. The fluid level is fine, >there are no puddles of brake fluid on the ground, but my front level is >limp. I've pumped and pumped but I'm not getting anywhere. > >Where should I start? Hi, Linda. While it may be a simple problem (e.g. air bubble), brakes are probably not the best component for learn-as-you-go (learn-as-you-stop?) repairs. See if you can find a place that will let you watch, or get someone who knows what they're doing to help you. --garcia "It seemed like a good idea...at the time." From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 17 22:42:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1I3fxO20743 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p33.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.33]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g1I3fucd026448; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:41:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:20:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c1b82b$4ccb9740$2182c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <3C700EEE.29248FD5@home.com> Importance: Normal > You gotta admit, though, NASCAR has some entertaining > moments - even their commercials are good. Absolutely! And some of the racing is pretty good too, but I don't know if it's good enough for it's one 3 day a week lineup... The Terry Labonte-Kelloggs-Chevy Monte Carlo commercial is pretty good, too. "Oh, cupholders!" I'm laughing my ass off watching the Daytona 500 today. I know, I should be out riding... :) I haven't heard the B-b-b-b-brown ... commercial yet, but it sounds like I'd like to :-) Why can't motorcycle racing have good commercials ??? Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 18 01:36:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from wbln0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1I6aOO23254 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (unverified) by wbln0014.worldbank.org (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:10:38 -0500 Subject: Mark Walker is Out of the Office From: Mwalker3@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:04:03 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 02/18/2002 01:10:38 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will be out of the office starting 02/15/2002 and will not return until 02/20/2002. I will reply to your message following my return. Thank you. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 18 10:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1IFp4O01821 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([68.48.192.112]) by femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020218155057.CJWB19363.femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:50:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3C71228C.279EF214@home.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:49:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: for those of you who doubted NASCAR TV References: <001701c1b82b$4ccb9740$2182c0cf@nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > Absolutely! And some of the racing is pretty good too, but I > don't know if it's good enough for it's one 3 day a week lineup... I hear you there. I'll watch or tape the race, and I like to catch the "Inside Winston Cup" show where they interview the panel of 3 drivers (Ken, Mikey, and Johnny Benson) but I'm not sure if that show is still going on... But the rest of it is just overkill... Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 18 11:51:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14602.mail.yahoo.com (web14602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1IGpoO02776 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:51:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020218165143.20026.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:51:43 PST Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:51:43 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Roach & Laura, was: Re: o/t: roommate wanted To: Laura Granato , Dave Paper , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004301c1b5a8$634cdf40$f14efea9@dccracing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Laura Granato wrote: > > I was going to ask the same thing, but didn't want to > do it publically > > (thanks for takin' the heat Tom :). > > > > -dave > > Unfortunately, things didn't work out as planned, but > hey...they never do. > That's good news for all of you guys, though, is I'm back > in town. LOL > (<--trying to make myself feel better). > > Brian and I are great buddies, and you may see us still > racing together this > season...that's yet to be determined. But, that's the > short of it. > > Thanks to everyone who has sent me well wishes. I really > appreciate the > support, as I truly need it right now! Even you, Gimer. > ;-) sorry to hear this, laura. perhaps now you'll re-discover the joy of street riding..... glad you're back, though. this may also produce some some more enjoyable organized rides... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 18 15:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14606.mail.yahoo.com (web14606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1IKTAO06257 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:29:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020218202909.21371.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:29:09 PST Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:29:09 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: paging michael jordan (and others with gps knowledge) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020218165143.20026.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii mike: when i last saw you (enjoying a fine JANUARY afternoon near harpers ferry) you had a color gps unit mounted on your gsx. what model was it? and what model would the non-color unit be? does it have a thermometer as well? i assume it has a clock, correct? thanks for providing this info.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 18 16:45:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1ILj2O07516 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.a1.22cc98da (4012) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:44:46 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:44:46 EST Subject: Re: Roach & Laura, was: Re: o/t: roommate wanted To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a1.22cc98da.29a2cfce_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_a1.22cc98da.29a2cfce_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > sorry to hear this, laura. perhaps now you'll re-discover > the joy of street riding..... > > glad you're back, though. this may also produce some some > more enjoyable organized rides... My thoughts exactly, Tom. So how bout it Laura...any more street rides in your future? :) Steve Broadstreet 01 ZX-9R (Who will be busy trying to stay out of the ditch...) LOL --part1_a1.22cc98da.29a2cfce_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:

sorry to hear this, laura.  perhaps now you'll re-discover
the joy of street riding.....

glad you're back, though.  this may also produce some some
more enjoyable organized rides...


My thoughts exactly, Tom.
So how bout it Laura...any more street rides in your future?  :)

Steve Broadstreet
01 ZX-9R  (Who will be busy trying to stay out of the ditch...)  LOL
 --part1_a1.22cc98da.29a2cfce_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 18 17:11:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h010.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.174]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1IMBIO07878 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 25233 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 14:11:11 -0800 Date: 18 Feb 2002 14:11:11 -0800 Message-ID: <20020218221111.25232.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Feb 2002 22:11:11 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Feb 2002 14:11:11 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: SBave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: Roach & Laura, was: Re: o/t: roommate wanted X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Mon, 18 February 2002, SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > My thoughts exactly, Tom.
> So how bout it Laura...any more street rides in your future Thanks, guys. It remains to be seen at this point. Sad to say, I'm really hooked on racing...the problem with that is I will probably have to sell my street bike to afford the fees associated with racing...that is unless you guys want to start a fund up for my entry fees. :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 18 20:02:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1J124O10684 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p53.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.181]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g1J11pcd009149 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:01:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: RE: Roach & Laura, was: Re: o/t: roommate wanted Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:01:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c1b8e0$ee6b9ea0$b582c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020218221111.25232.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 LAG whines - Thanks, guys. It remains to be seen at this point. Sad to say, I'm really hooked on racing...the problem with that is I will probably have to sell my street bike to afford the fees associated with racing...that is unless you guys want to start a fund up for my entry fees. :-) Right away, I'm thinking you should incorporate... LAG behind racing maybe :-) ??? Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 18 20:39:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1J1cxO11193 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 4781 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 17:38:52 -0800 Received: from 63.159.25.198 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 17:38:52 -0800 X-Sent: 19 Feb 2002 01:38:52 GMT Message-ID: <000b01c1b8e7$806148e0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Dave Yates" Cc: References: <000901c1b8e0$ee6b9ea0$b582c0cf@nih.gov> Subject: Re: Roach & Laura, was: Re: o/t: roommate wanted Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:48:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > LAG whines me, whine....never! ;-) LAG behind > racing maybe :-) ??? > wouldn't that be the damn truth? LAG From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 18 20:55:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1J1tKO11468 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-209.244.85.36.dial1.washington2.level3.net ([209.244.85.36] helo=ix.netcom.com) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16czUo-0000kJ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:55:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3C71B01B.3060704@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:53:31 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Night - thanx! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all who showed up at CarPool on Saturday night for our informal winter bike night. We had a decent turnout, including more than a few who two-wheeled it. Also some nice folks from Sportbikes.net who showed up. Nice to meet them and hope they turn out for other DC-Cycles events. Next "unofficial" bike night will be at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda, MD next month. Lisa Goddard is working out the details -- will post here and on the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight as soon as it's a done deal. Plan on "official" (i.e., warm weather and reserved m/c parking) bike nights starting in May and running through the summer and into the early fall. Chuck FZR600 track bike with lights, currently with all the bodywork off for a DIY re-paint (it'll still look like a race/track bike so don't expect anything pretty!) From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 18 23:05:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1J45CO13549 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18846 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 04:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.61.44.77) by motorcyclegearreview.com (63.151.113.84) with ESMTP; 19 Feb 2002 04:05:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:05:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Roach & Laura, was: Re: o/t: roommate wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Cc: "Dave Yates" , To: "Laura Granato" From: Dave Cross In-Reply-To: <000b01c1b8e7$806148e0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Hmmm . . . Road Racing World thinks Laura already is a member of a race team. And an all female team at that. Is that still the case? dave On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 08:48 PM, Laura Granato wrote: > > >> LAG whines > > me, whine....never! ;-) > > LAG behind >> racing maybe :-) ??? >> > wouldn't that be the damn truth? > LAG > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 00:01:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h021.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1J519O14379 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 3638 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 21:01:02 -0800 Received: from 63.159.26.5 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.185) with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 21:01:02 -0800 X-Sent: 19 Feb 2002 05:01:02 GMT Message-ID: <001001c1b903$be1b86c0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Dave Cross" Cc: "Dave Yates" , References: Subject: Re: Roach & Laura, was: Re: o/t: roommate wanted Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:09:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > Hmmm . . . > > Road Racing World thinks Laura already is a member of a race team. And > an all female team at that. Is that still the case? > > dave yes, that is still the case. I probably will only be making it to summit and VIR for the sirens, but I'm going to try to get to some more. It's going to depend with having a new job and all...but for the most part, it's true. I hear it made the print version...can someone verify? I'll have to grab a copy if it did. Laura From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 08:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JDTBO21965 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.221.202]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1JDTAJ23996493; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:29:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C7253C1.6CBEAA0@boo.net> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:31:45 -0500 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , James Itabashi Subject: ATTN: Shigeru Honda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A mutual friend is looking for you. Please contact me or Jimmy( itabashi@XXXXXX ). Thanks!! Jay From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 08:39:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JDdsO22149 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:39:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1JDdrB15810 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:39:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1JDdrL25532 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:39:53 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:39:52 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF info for DC peps In-Reply-To: <20020206201951.2904.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Leon Begeman wrote: > Maryland MSF begins taking applications on the 19th of February. Go > to the MVA in Glen Burnie and sign up in person, if you get there > early enough in the morning, you should get a decent date for a > Maryland MSF course. Wow. I arrived at 0730, and my signup appointment is estimated around 1530! Should have arrived even earlier... Does anyone have a valid out-of-state phone number for the Maryland MVA MSF? The number they give on their website (410-508-2439) doesn't work; it refers you to 410-508-2000, which itself refers you to 410-508-2000. Catch-22. Thanks, Fish. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 08:56:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JDuUO22412 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:57:28 -0500 Received: by hqex.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <108B2FXJ>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:56:40 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: More Cable Crap Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:56:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -- fast food, -- lite beer and lager, -- Krispy Kreme donuts, -- figure skating, -- USA Today, -- television news, -- Disney anything, -- TV and other frozen dinners, -- TV series, -- Wonder "Bread", -- Charbucks or dishwater coffee, usually in combination with milk, -- 3,000 lb + cars, automatic transmissions, power steering, and power brakes, You for got the power locks, windows, mirrors and seat adjusters. Did you ever see the bumper sticker "Kill Your Television" is was a song by GodFodder. Dump cable if you don't like it or go out and buy a programmable VCR and tape. Oh yeah... we live in the digital age but 90 per cent of VCR owners still have 12:00 flashing on their VCR's. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 09:28:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JESaO23016 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay02.mac.com (smtp-relay02-qfe3 [10.13.10.225]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g1JESNFD008434 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:28:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GRSAVB00.CNQ for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:28:23 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GRSAVA00.GER for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:28:22 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:28:13 -0500 Subject: Re: More Cable Crap Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 08:56 , Bruhl, George LT wrote: > Did you ever see the bumper sticker "Kill Your Television" is was a > song > by GodFodder. Actually, the song was by a band called "Ned's Atomic Dustbin". The name of the album which featured the song is "GodFodder". Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing l From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 10:09:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JF9NO23632 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-0-101.s101.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.0.101] helo=electraglide) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16dBtR-0006WM-00; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:09:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c1b957$710f3580$0500a8c0@cycles> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Fish Flowers" , References: Subject: Re: MSF info for DC peps Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:09:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I was told by Phil Sause, the motorcycle safety program manager to try 410-508-2436. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8:39 AM Subject: Re: MSF info for DC peps > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Leon Begeman wrote: > > > Maryland MSF begins taking applications on the 19th of February. Go > > to the MVA in Glen Burnie and sign up in person, if you get there > > early enough in the morning, you should get a decent date for a > > Maryland MSF course. > > Wow. I arrived at 0730, and my signup appointment is estimated around > 1530! Should have arrived even earlier... > > Does anyone have a valid out-of-state phone number for the Maryland MVA > MSF? The number they give on their website (410-508-2439) doesn't work; it > refers you to 410-508-2000, which itself refers you to > 410-508-2000. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 13:59:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JIxQO27424 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w062 ([168.144.108.62]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:59:25 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: OT: rice boy taillight bulbs FS Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:01:25 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2002 18:59:25.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CA3B3F0:01C1B977] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1JIxYO27425 If you are or know someone who is into the rice boy car tuner scene, these may be of interest. I bought these hoping to be able to use them for the custom tail/brake light set-up on my FZR, but they're too big. For what they cost me, not worth the effort and expense of returning them. APC Xenon high output red 1157 dual filament tail/brake light bulbs. Just the ticket if you're tricking your car out with clear brake light lenses. Exact replacement for OEM bulbs, but supposedly 50% brighter. I have 2 pairs. Both in original packaging. Paid $6.99/pair mail order (plus shipping0. Will sell for $6 each of both pairs for $10. Chuck FZR600 (currently in streetfighter mode) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 14:10:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JJAUO27598 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g1JJDL016550 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:13:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:04:59 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:04:53 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: OT: rice boy taillight bulbs FS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1JJAVO27599 Chuck, We know you are secretly into the Rice Boy thing. I thought I noticed clear lenses on your SUV. >>> "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" 02/19/02 02:01PM >>> If you are or know someone who is into the rice boy car tuner scene, these may be of interest. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 14:24:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JJOwO27826 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GRS00M01OD7YS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:19:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GRS00LK2OD69B@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:19:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GRS00L01OCT04@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:19:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GRS00JAIOCLN8@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:19:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:19:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: OT: rice boy taillight bulbs FS To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-id: <3C72A544.2FE38F0F@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > > If you are or know someone who is into the rice boy car tuner scene, these may be of interest. > Just curious, but do rice boy car tuners ever touch the motor? Do they even know how to change oil? "All this car needs is a couple more 'Type-R' decals and it'll be sweeeeeeeet!!!" Oh well, it's worth a giggle every time I pass one on the road... Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 14:41:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JJfRO28098 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w038 ([168.144.108.38]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:41:30 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: OT: rice boy taillight bulbs FS Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:42:17 -0500 To: "the.horkster@XXXXXX" , "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2002 19:41:30.0635 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DBEB5B0:01C1B97D] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1JJfTO28099 Some of the more serious ones actually do tune their motors. But my impression is that a lot of stuff is done more for show than go. Original Message : ----------------- Just curious, but do rice boy car tuners ever touch the motor? Do they even know how to change oil? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 14:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from out020.verizon.net (out020pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JJq3O28336 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ltanner ([4.63.9.23]) by out020.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020219195151.MSVA22012.out020.verizon.net@ltanner> for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:51:51 -0600 From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: No front brake Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:44:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Well, I must have been hallucinating the other day, as I went outside and looked at the front brakes, tapped on them with my finger, started up the bike and everything is fine. I rode it around the parking lot a bit, tested the front brake, rode about some more and it's still fine. Thanks for all the suggestions. I really don't know what to say. Maybe the front brake fairy made a stop at my house lately? LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 14:58:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1JJwbO28433 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:58:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020219195835.71094.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:58:35 PST Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:58:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: No front brake To: "LindaT." , DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "LindaT." wrote: > Well, I must have been hallucinating the other day, as I > went outside and > looked at the front brakes, tapped on them with my > finger, started up the > bike and everything is fine. I rode it around the > parking lot a bit, tested > the front brake, rode about some more and it's still > fine. > > Thanks for all the suggestions. I really don't know what > to say. Maybe the > front brake fairy made a stop at my house lately? sorry linda. i forgot to tell you that i stopped by the other night and bled your brakes for you.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 14:59:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from athena.nswc.navy.mil (athena.nswc.navy.mil [198.91.70.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JJxMO28443 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (relay.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.41]) by athena.nswc.navy.mil (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1JJxLT24441 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06800 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.20]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06788 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1TFP9T4Z; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:59:19 -0500 Received: from 128.38.204.28 by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:59:16 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Received: by nswcdlvaex01.nswc.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <193XX31V>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:59:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: Gaske David G DLVA To: DC-CYCLES Subject: RE: No front brake Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:59:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Glad they decided to work but it sounds like water in line some where. When it heats up it goes gaseous (?sp) and will not compress enough to push the pistons out. When it cools off it returns to its liquid state and compress more so than a vapor. If you have already bled them, it must be trapped some where. Try reverse bleeding them (pushes the fluid in from the piston and up the line. If I am full of it, please some one tell me!! David G. Triumph SprintRS (Yellow <-- the faster color) Fredericksburg, Va. -----Original Message----- From: LindaT. [mailto:linda.tanner3@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:44 PM To: DC-CYCLES Subject: RE: No front brake Well, I must have been hallucinating the other day, as I went outside and looked at the front brakes, tapped on them with my finger, started up the bike and everything is fine. I rode it around the parking lot a bit, tested the front brake, rode about some more and it's still fine. Thanks for all the suggestions. I really don't know what to say. Maybe the front brake fairy made a stop at my house lately? LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 15:02:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JK2lO28554 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ltanner ([4.63.9.23]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020219200247.TGND29231.out007.verizon.net@ltanner> for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:02:47 -0600 From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: No front brake Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:54:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020219195835.71094.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Why thanks, Tom. What a nice young man. I never believed those nasty things said about you. Oh, wait. Does that mean that YOU'RE the front brake fairy? LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Tom Gimer said: sorry linda. i forgot to tell you that i stopped by the other night and bled your brakes for you.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 15:05:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JK5rO28640 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GRS00J01QGB5S@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:04:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GRS00IBEQGA80@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:04:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GRS00K01QFUPO@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:04:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GRS00JDTQFQAS@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:04:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:04:37 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: No front brake To: Tom Gimer Cc: "LindaT." , DC-CYCLES Message-id: <3C72AFD5.648A908F@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020219195835.71094.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- "LindaT." wrote: > > Maybe the > > front brake fairy made a stop at my house lately? > > sorry linda. i forgot to tell you that i stopped by the > other night and bled your brakes for you.... You heard it here first, folks. Gimer is the Front Brake Fairy. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 15:05:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JK5uO28649 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:09:09 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B2FA@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Origins of the Concours; warm breasts Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:09:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Origins of the Concours: Dale Horstman shared Doug Grosjean's article: "The ironic part of the above is that now, almost 20 years later, Honda makes only two models with V4 motors, as does Yamaha. The inline four, thought to be dead in the early 1980's by many due to the inherent advantages of the V4, is alive and well after all this time - and you'd have a hard time buying a V4 motorcycle at all if you don't like the Royal Star, VFR-800, or ST-1300." Hee hee, ask Doug how he spent Saturday: "Saturday morning we didn't get started as early as I might have liked. Over the course of the day at the shop, we were joined by and Doug Grosjean" Yep, reviving a 1984 V-4 Sabre in Ann Arbor, MI. warm breasts: FWIW, Doug is the designer and marketer of the heated vest made from Gorix fabric, a carbon-fibre electrically conductive fabric. It'll keep your back warm too. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 15:09:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1JK9bO28670 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:09:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020219200905.93138.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:09:05 PST Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:09:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: No front brake To: Dale Horstman Cc: "LindaT." , DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <3C72AFD5.648A908F@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > --- "LindaT." wrote: > > > Maybe the > > > front brake fairy made a stop at my house lately? > > > > sorry linda. i forgot to tell you that i stopped by > the > > other night and bled your brakes for you.... > > You heard it here first, folks. Gimer is the > Front Brake Fairy. :) while most believe the "fbf" on my bike stands for fast by ferraci, dale is on the money here.... -- fbf __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 15:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1JKA8O28705 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 17486 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 12:10:02 -0800 Date: 19 Feb 2002 12:10:02 -0800 Message-ID: <20020219201002.17485.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 19 Feb 2002 20:10:02 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 19 Feb 2002 12:10:01 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: linda.tanner3@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: RE: No front brake X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Tue, 19 February 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > sorry linda. i forgot to tell you that i stopped by the > other night and bled your brakes for you.... > and who says tg isn't a nice guy? ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 15:12:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14602.mail.yahoo.com (web14602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1JKC4O28786 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:12:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020219201203.85039.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:12:03 PST Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:12:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: No front brake To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <3C72AFD5.648A908F@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > --- "LindaT." wrote: > > > Maybe the > > > front brake fairy made a stop at my house lately? > > > > sorry linda. i forgot to tell you that i stopped by > the > > other night and bled your brakes for you.... > > You heard it here first, folks. Gimer is the > Front Brake Fairy. :) and, very slyly, dale has thrust us back into the rear brake usage thread -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 15:54:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JKs8O29471 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-31.patriot.net [209.249.181.31]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JKs0E31338; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:54:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3C72BB01.56B82502@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:52:17 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: "the.horkster@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: OT: rice boy taillight bulbs FS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, whatever happened to milling, grinding, porting, and all those tricks I used in my decadent youth? Oh, now I remember - the EPA! Bill cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Some of the more serious ones actually do tune their motors. But my impression is that a lot of stuff is done more for show than go. > > Original Message : > ----------------- > > Just curious, but do rice boy car tuners ever touch the > motor? Do they even know how to change oil? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 15:58:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JKw4O29564 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-31.patriot.net [209.249.181.31]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JKvqE32706; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:57:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3C72BBE9.D514F568@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:56:10 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gaske David G DLVA CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: No front brake References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or how about as slug of water that froze and rendered the hydraulic system null. Sorta like gas line freeze. Hey, it could happen! Or maybe not. Methinsk brake fluid absorbs water, which is why it should be cycled out and chnaged every couple years. Bill Gaske David G DLVA wrote: > Glad they decided to work but it sounds like water in line some where. When > it heats up it goes gaseous (?sp) and will not compress enough to push the > pistons out. When it cools off it returns to its liquid state and compress > more so than a vapor. If you have already bled them, it must be trapped > some where. Try reverse bleeding them (pushes the fluid in from the piston > and up the line. If I am full of it, please some one tell me!! > > David G. > Triumph SprintRS (Yellow <-- the faster color) > Fredericksburg, Va. > > -----Original Message----- > From: LindaT. [mailto:linda.tanner3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:44 PM > To: DC-CYCLES > Subject: RE: No front brake > > Well, I must have been hallucinating the other day, as I went outside and > looked at the front brakes, tapped on them with my finger, started up the > bike and everything is fine. I rode it around the parking lot a bit, tested > the front brake, rode about some more and it's still fine. > > Thanks for all the suggestions. I really don't know what to say. Maybe the > front brake fairy made a stop at my house lately? > > LindaT. > Custom TankBags > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 16:29:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JLTfO00168 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GRS00801UBKSF@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:28:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GRS007J5UBJPN@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:28:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GRS00K01UBDZ3@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:28:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.65]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GRS00IHDUB479@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:28:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:28:15 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: No front brake To: Tom Gimer Cc: DC-CYCLES Message-id: <3C72C36F.9E78D0BE@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020219200905.93138.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > > > You heard it here first, folks. Gimer is the > > Front Brake Fairy. :) > > while most believe the "fbf" on my bike stands for fast by > ferraci, dale is on the money here.... Oh my, I had no idea it had progressed that far... :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 16:29:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JLToO00179 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GRS00B01UCJE4@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:29:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GRS00A7JUCIPQ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:29:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GRS00L01UCBAD@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:29:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.65]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GRS00IJXUBZ79@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:28:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:28:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: No front brake To: Tom Gimer Cc: DC-CYCLES Message-id: <3C72C38F.4E8EF6A8@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020219201203.85039.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > and, very slyly, dale has thrust us back into the rear > brake usage thread You mean the non-usage thread, right? :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 18:04:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1JN4XO01622 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-181-227.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.181.227] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16dJJ3-0005m8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:04:17 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020219180402.00aff760@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:05:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:05 AM 2/19/2002, "Pejman Taei" wrote: >Hey guys, check this new site out that my brother just launched, he has >been in business now for 3 years, pass this on to your freinds and family, >it's a great deal. It's called PointAccess. Nothing like spamming through dc-cycles... -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 19:22:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.24]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1K0LxO02938 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc2111394a ([68.48.19.63]) by femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020220002155.IWMV2774.femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc2111394a>; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:21:55 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01c1b9a4$9a2781a0$3f133044@cc2111394a> From: "Richard L. Casale" To: "Pierre C" , References: Subject: Re: NYC parking Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:21:54 -0500 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I was just there this past weekend. There is a lot just on the edge of china town and little itally. Corner of Hest and Mott. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre C" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:20 PM Subject: NYC parking > Hello, > is there anyone who knows where I could find parking in NYC? i have a honda > vfr 98, have called many parking garages, but couldn't find anything. > thank you, > pierfrancesco > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 19:46:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1K0kFO03362 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXPxK/ec5LQUUkAGQ2RgUBo3bymmOkwsRGA=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GT263XF2; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:45:48 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:43:24 -0500 Subject: Selling LAG Behind to Go Racing? Message-ID: <20020219.194324.-554637.7.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3,5,7,9 From: Tom Fitzpatrick In order so the guys can get things *straight*, are you saying that to generate cash flow you are selling LAG behind to go racing? Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com) *Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 mike.watt@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 20:05:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1K15EO03701 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 25048 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 17:05:09 -0800 Received: from 63.159.27.21 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 17:05:09 -0800 X-Sent: 20 Feb 2002 01:05:09 GMT Message-ID: <001c01c1b9ab$f40810c0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Tom Fitzpatrick" References: <20020219.194324.-554637.7.CelticRacing@juno.com> Subject: Re: Selling LAG Behind to Go Racing? Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:14:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > In order so the guys can get things *straight*, are you saying that to > generate cash flow you are selling LAG behind to go racing? > 1. I am trying to sell my GS...someone please buy it!!! 2. I am racing two times this year on the sirens, but on a bike that I don't want to ride 3. I am accepting any donations for me to race CCS or WERA as a club racer, not an endurance racer :-) Seriously, though...I'm waiting to get a picture of my bike because I have a few people interested...but if you know anyone looking to buy an awesome GS, let me know ASAHP. :-) LAG (<--LAGs behind the fast guys, but still wants to race) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 20:09:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from fc2.capaccess.org (fc2.capaccess.org.199.200.151.in-addr.arpa [151.200.199.52] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1K19YO03711 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:09:34 -0500 (EST) Message-id: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:05:37 -0500 Subject: Re: RE: No front brake To: GaskeDG@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, linda.tanner3@XXXXXX] From: "garcia oliver" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good point. Otoh, you really have to use the brakes long and hard to get them above water b.p. (unless they're dragging badly). Also, I would expect that the brake would fade during use rather than suddenly, if water were the problem (i don't remember the details in the original post). Linda, were you playing road-racer again, just before the brake crapped out? And how old is your brake fluid? --garcia "If you're going to try cross-country skiing, start with a small country." GaskeDG@XXXXXX writes: >Glad they decided to work but it sounds like water in line some where. >When >it heats up it goes gaseous (?sp) and will not compress enough to push the >pistons out. When it cools off it returns to its liquid state and >compress >more so than a vapor. If you have already bled them, it must be trapped >some where. Try reverse bleeding them (pushes the fluid in from the >piston >and up the line. If I am full of it, please some one tell me!! > >David G. >Triumph SprintRS (Yellow <-- the faster color) >Fredericksburg, Va. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 19 20:39:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1K1dvO04227 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from JoseQuinones3@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.172.3d8aec4 (4422) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:39:30 -0500 (EST) From: JoseQuinones3@XXXXXX Message-ID: <172.3d8aec4.29a45851@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:39:29 EST Subject: Daytona 200 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Seeing as it will be Broadcast LIVE on SPEED Channel, Sunday March 10th at 12:30 pm, is anybody planning to go to the ESPNZone in DC to watch it? From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 20 07:55:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1KCtCO14182 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:56:16 -0500 Received: by hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <107V1D9L>; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:54:44 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'eternity23@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Ned's Atomic Dustbin Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:54:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't memorize 'em, I just listen to 'em.... but thanx, once I put my glasses on it was obvious. Sean Jordan wrote: Actually, the song was by a band called "Ned's Atomic Dustbin". The name of the album which featured the song is "GodFodder". Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > Did you ever see the bumper sticker "Kill Your Television" is was a > song > by GodFodder. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 20 08:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from resie03.ie.cw.net (resie03.ie.cw.net [204.71.40.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1KDdTO14833 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by RESIE03 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1SH03Q51>; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:39:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ledford, Calvin" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" Subject: Anyone have any experience with Fredrick Computrack? Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:47:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey All, I whacked the front end of my '00 VFR last summer, hard enough to bend the front rim. I ended up sending it out to the "Frame Man" in CA to be straightened. Basically I hit a transition where pavement was being milled - that stopped at a bridge over-pass. There was a significant corner that was all the way across the road and I hit it at a fairly high speed. Even since I got the wheel back on, and I can't really describe the problem exactly, but something just hasn't felt exactly right with the bike. It's not abnormal enough to have kept me off of it - but there is something just "different" enough that I can barely notice it - yet can't describe it. Anyhow, I'd heard about Computrack and decided to check out their web-site yesterday. Lo and behold these exact words were on their web page "...Your comment may be something just doesn't feel right." That convinced me to call Butch at the Fredrick Maryland Computrack to discuss dropping off my bike. I've decided to take it in for the $150 dollar assessment. I'm wondering if any listers on either the VFR or DC-Cycles lists have used the Fredrick Computrack, or less specifically one of the others. I'd like to hear about your experiences, and whether you recommend the service. I'm especially hoping to get feedback about the Fredrick location. Thanks for any help. Also, please CC my off-site email as I'm a digest subscriber, the address is: cledford@XXXXXX -Calvin Ledford From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 20 09:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1KE5oO15295 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 2264 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 06:05:44 -0800 Date: 20 Feb 2002 06:05:44 -0800 Message-ID: <20020220140544.2263.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 20 Feb 2002 14:05:44 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 20 Feb 2002 06:05:43 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cledford@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: Anyone have any experience with Fredrick Computrack? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Wed, 20 February 2002, "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > > Hey All, > > I whacked the front end of my '00 VFR last summer, hard enough to bend the > front rim. Hey Calvin! You might want to check with Roach because I think Speedwerks can help, and you can trust you'll get a great deal with them. I know many a racers that have bent their rims and they have helped out. You may want just want to call them and see...302.672.RACE. Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 20 09:16:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f144.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.144]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1KEGfO15456 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:05:26 -0800 Received: from 63.251.87.214 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:05:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: cledford@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone have any experience with Fredrick Computrack? Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:05:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2002 14:05:26.0224 (UTC) FILETIME=[A53B8500:01C1BA17] Calvin, I used the Frederick Computrack a few years ago and was very pleased with their performance. I had high-sided my Concours a few months earlier and had the body work, etc. repaired, but was concerned that there might have been some frame tweaking. Not really knowing what to expect, I rode the bike up for them to take a look. It turns out that we had to remove pretty much all of the lower and middle fairing, so that they could put the bike in the machine and setup the process. They were very good about it, but did charge me an extra $50 (or so) for the labor to remove and re-install the fairing panels. Considering that they spent well over an hour in additional labor with the fairing panels, I think it was pretty fair. Once everything was setup, they performed the procedure and did not find anything out of spec. Everything was pretty well lined up. So, it turned out that I didn't really need them, but I felt better knowing that everything was in alignment. Perry >From: "Ledford, Calvin" >To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , >"'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" >Subject: Anyone have any experience with Fredrick Computrack? >Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:47:25 -0500 > >Hey All, > >I whacked the front end of my '00 VFR last summer, hard enough to bend the >front rim. I ended up sending it out to the "Frame Man" in CA to be >straightened. Basically I hit a transition where pavement was being milled >- that stopped at a bridge over-pass. There was a significant corner that >was all the way across the road and I hit it at a fairly high speed. > >Even since I got the wheel back on, and I can't really describe the problem >exactly, but something just hasn't felt exactly right with the bike. It's >not abnormal enough to have kept me off of it - but there is something just >"different" enough that I can barely notice it - yet can't describe it. > >Anyhow, I'd heard about Computrack and decided to check out their web-site >yesterday. Lo and behold these exact words were on their web page "...Your >comment may be something just doesn't feel right." >That convinced me to call Butch at the Fredrick Maryland Computrack to >discuss dropping off my bike. I've decided to take it in for the $150 >dollar assessment. >I'm wondering if any listers on either the VFR or DC-Cycles lists have used >the Fredrick Computrack, or less specifically one of the others. I'd like >to hear about your experiences, and whether you recommend the service. I'm >especially hoping to get feedback about the Fredrick location. >Thanks for any help. Also, please CC my off-site email as I'm a digest >subscriber, the address is: cledford@XXXXXX >-Calvin Ledford > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 20 09:25:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1KEPGO15599 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-74.patriot.net [209.249.181.74]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KEPDO24673; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:25:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3C73B162.4E314EA@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:23:30 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ledford, Calvin" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Anyone have any experience with Fredrick Computrack? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds interesting, but I ride a Harley bagger, and there ain't no hi-tech computer system in the free world that can fix the handling quirks on my scoot. Bill wobbles an' weaves... Ledford, Calvin wrote: > Hey All, > > I whacked the front end of my '00 VFR last summer, hard enough to bend the > front rim. I ended up sending it out to the "Frame Man" in CA to be > straightened. Basically I hit a transition where pavement was being milled > - that stopped at a bridge over-pass. There was a significant corner that > was all the way across the road and I hit it at a fairly high speed. > > Even since I got the wheel back on, and I can't really describe the problem > exactly, but something just hasn't felt exactly right with the bike. It's > not abnormal enough to have kept me off of it - but there is something just > "different" enough that I can barely notice it - yet can't describe it. > > Anyhow, I'd heard about Computrack and decided to check out their web-site > yesterday. Lo and behold these exact words were on their web page "...Your > comment may be something just doesn't feel right." > That convinced me to call Butch at the Fredrick Maryland Computrack to > discuss dropping off my bike. I've decided to take it in for the $150 > dollar assessment. > I'm wondering if any listers on either the VFR or DC-Cycles lists have used > the Fredrick Computrack, or less specifically one of the others. I'd like > to hear about your experiences, and whether you recommend the service. I'm > especially hoping to get feedback about the Fredrick location. > Thanks for any help. Also, please CC my off-site email as I'm a digest > subscriber, the address is: cledford@XXXXXX > -Calvin Ledford From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 20 09:49:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from ext-ch1gw-2.online-age.net (ext-ch1gw-2.online-age.net [216.34.191.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1KEnlO16043 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from int-ch1gw-2.online-age.net (int-ch1gw-2 [3.159.232.66]) by ext-ch1gw-2.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id JAA19041; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:49:31 -0500 (EST) From: colby.teller@XXXXXX Received: from nyschx06psge.ps.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-ch1gw-2.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id JAA04535; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by nyschx06psge.ps.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:58:19 -0500 Message-ID: <71AA4AB07F8AD4118B6900508BE3A66D0614B10F@nyschx17psge.sch.ge.com> To: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Anyone have any experience with Fredrick Computrack? Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:01:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" At Glick's suggestion, I took my bike to the GMD Computrack in Bellingham, MA (on the RI border) to have the steering head straightened after my grassy-sinkhole-stoppie-episode at WDGAH5. Peter Kates took the bike (and all parts; the Progressive rep was going to do the estimate there), had it turned around in less than a week, and saved me quite a bit of hassle and worry. *Highly* recommended. Contact info: Peter Kates 11 Summer Street Bellingham, MA 02019 508-876-9407 gmdboston@XXXXXX Colby 00VFR > -----Original Message----- > From: Ledford, Calvin [mailto:cledford@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:47 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'vfr-digest@XXXXXX' > Subject: Anyone have any experience with Fredrick Computrack? > > > Hey All, > > I whacked the front end of my '00 VFR last summer, hard > enough to bend the > front rim. I ended up sending it out to the "Frame Man" in CA to be > straightened. Basically I hit a transition where pavement > was being milled > - that stopped at a bridge over-pass. There was a > significant corner that > was all the way across the road and I hit it at a fairly high speed. > > Even since I got the wheel back on, and I can't really > describe the problem > exactly, but something just hasn't felt exactly right with > the bike. It's > not abnormal enough to have kept me off of it - but there is > something just > "different" enough that I can barely notice it - yet can't > describe it. > > Anyhow, I'd heard about Computrack and decided to check out > their web-site > yesterday. Lo and behold these exact words were on their web > page "...Your > comment may be something just doesn't feel right." > That convinced me to call Butch at the Fredrick Maryland Computrack to > discuss dropping off my bike. I've decided to take it in for the $150 > dollar assessment. > I'm wondering if any listers on either the VFR or DC-Cycles > lists have used > the Fredrick Computrack, or less specifically one of the > others. I'd like > to hear about your experiences, and whether you recommend the > service. I'm > especially hoping to get feedback about the Fredrick location. > Thanks for any help. Also, please CC my off-site email as > I'm a digest > subscriber, the address is: cledford@XXXXXX > -Calvin Ledford From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 20 10:34:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1KFYVO16803 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (wayne@localhost) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01383 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:34:25 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:34:24 -0800 (PST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New to the list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just joined up to the list today, figured I'd throw out an intro. I live near Frederick, MD and work in Bethesda, MD. A few weeks ago I sold my 1985 Kaw ZL900 Eliminator and picked up a 2002 Suzuki GSX1300R. Only about 120 miles on the bike so far, but I'm loving it. I ordered a clear tank protector (www.thetankslapper.com), ZG double bubble windscreen and a Throttlemeister throttle lock for longer rides :-) I haven't had much time to snap pics, but I have a few on my website. Hopefully I'll have time to clean up the bike and get some glamour ;-) shots this weekend. Looking forward to getting together and riding with others in the area when the weather warms up a little! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 20 10:50:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13806.mail.yahoo.com (web13806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1KFo3O17176 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:50:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020220155002.38562.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:50:02 PST Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:50:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: New to the list To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Welcome aboard. You had a 900 Elim? My first bike was a 600ZL and I loved it. Never got to ride the 900. What has that bike like? I hear they held their resale value very well, was that true? Mark --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > Just joined up to the list today, figured I'd throw > out an intro. > > I live near Frederick, MD and work in Bethesda, MD. > A few weeks ago I > sold my 1985 Kaw ZL900 Eliminator and picked up a > 2002 Suzuki > GSX1300R. Only about 120 miles on the bike so far, > but I'm loving it. I > ordered a clear tank protector > (www.thetankslapper.com), ZG double bubble > windscreen and a Throttlemeister throttle lock for > longer rides :-) > > I haven't had much time to snap pics, but I have a > few on my > website. Hopefully I'll have time to clean up the > bike and get some > glamour ;-) shots this weekend. > > Looking forward to getting together and riding with > others in the area > when the weather warms up a little! > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 20 10:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1KFxAO17297 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (wayne@localhost) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01938 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:59:09 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:59:09 -0800 (PST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New to the list In-Reply-To: <20020220155002.38562.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Welcome aboard. You had a 900 Elim? My first bike > was a 600ZL and I loved it. Never got to ride the > 900. What has that bike like? I hear they held their > resale value very well, was that true? > > Mark I sold it for a little more than I paid for it :-) It was a fun bike to ride, definately had a lot of character. If I didn't have such a small garage and 4 cars, I would have kept it. As it is now, I barely have enough space for my 1 bike and cars :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 20 11:39:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1KGd7O18053 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g1KGd1u00462; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:39:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:39:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200202201639.g1KGd1u00462@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: New to the list Wayne jumped in the fray - selling his 900 Eliminator for a gsxr13 I sold it for a little more than I paid for it :-) It was a fun bike to ride, definately had a lot of character. If I didn't have such a small garage and 4 cars, I would have kept it. As it is now, I barely have enough space for my 1 bike and cars :-) judging by your collection of horsepower, you'll fit right in here :-) Welcome to the list... I traded my Cobra for an '01 Lightning, so at least I can tow my bike & haul stuff AND do 13 second 1/4 miles :-) I've only had it since November, and haven't begun the mods... My zx11 OTOH... I *think* the valves are still stock ;-) now... If I can just find a house with a big garage... Dave Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 20 13:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1KI4rO19415 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 18:04:52 UT Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:04:35 -0500 Received: from mclhub.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (NAVGW 2.5.1.19) with SMTP id M2002022013043512436 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:04:35 -0500 Received: from [10.58.96.80] by mclmx.mail.saic.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:04:35 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20020220130225.00a6ebf0@k-kdom.nishanet.com> X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:08:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Shameless sales post.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I wasnt going to put this in because I doubt there is much interest, but when a friend told me she was selling too, I figured, what the heck? '95 Harley FLHTC-UI, Anniv Ed, 1939/2000, 52K miles, clean, all stock look, Stage 1 kit, CD Changer, PowerCommander, Andrews Cam $16,500 '01 Triumph Bonneville, 400 mi, mint, $6200 Like I said, I dont expect there's much interest in the HD, but there sure may be someone out there would like the Bonnie.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 20 14:49:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1KJnbO21160 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g1KJqOS28901 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:52:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:44:00 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:38:24 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: New to the list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1KJnlO21161 >>> Wayne Edelen WROTE >Just joined up to the list today, figured I'd throw out an intro. >I live near Frederick, MD and work in Bethesda, MD. A few weeks ago I >sold my 1985 Kaw ZL900 Eliminator and picked up a 2002 Suzuki GSX1300R. Welcome to the list...Nice roads up there in Frederneck. I like 17 and 77 to name a few. >Looking forward to getting together and riding with others in the area You may need a faster bike though :o) George Cole 01 FZ1 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 21 08:37:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11305.mail.yahoo.com (web11305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.208]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1LDbfO07570 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:37:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020221133740.50922.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.95.69.30] by web11305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:37:40 PST Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:37:40 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Fwd: failure delivery To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1392454136-1014298660=:49782" --0-1392454136-1014298660=:49782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline (Since your email didn't cooperate . . . ) Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --0-1392454136-1014298660=:49782 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Apparently-To: jarvis22201@XXXXXX via web11307; 21 Feb 2002 05:36:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <> Received: from web11301 (HELO web11301.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.204) by mta516.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 05:36:29 -0800 (PST) Date: 21 Feb 2002 13:36:28 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@XXXXXX To: jarvis22201@XXXXXX Subject: failure delivery Content-Length: 635 Message from yahoo.com. Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). : 63.168.126.2 does not like recipient. Remote host said: 501 This system is not configured to relay mail from to for 216.136.131.204 Giving up on 63.168.126.2. --- Original message follows. Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020221133628.5843.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.95.69.30] by web11301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:36:27 PST Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:36:27 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: shameless sales pitch To: brownlee_b@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So, what's wrong with the Bonnie? Only 400 mi? Sheesh that's almost broken in. Seriously, I'm interested, since I'm looking at the Bonnie/W650 as an "around-the-town" bike. Thanks, Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --0-1392454136-1014298660=:49782-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 21 15:48:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1LKmWO14754 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g1LKlpQ05485 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:47:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:47:51 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Illuminated digit speedometer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm looking to replace the speedometer/odometer on my DR to make room for an accesories panel. I would like to replace it with a speedo/odo that is backlit. All the cyclocomputers I've seen require you to push a button to turn on the light. Anyone have a suggestion for a small speedo/odo that would stay lit all the time or with an on/off switch? Thanks, Hugh From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 21 17:00:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14002.mail.yahoo.com (web14002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.93]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1LM0NO15874 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:00:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020221220022.58502.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:00:22 PST Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:00:22 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Illuminated digit speedometer To: hcaldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Why not just wire in a single red or white LED and glue it to the face of the unit? One LED takes almost no power, is small enought to hot glue or epoxy into place and wouldn't leak much light and cause glare on other stuff. Leon. --- hcaldwell wrote: > > I'm looking to replace the speedometer/odometer on > my > DR to make room for an accesories panel. I would > like to replace > it with a speedo/odo that is backlit. All the > cyclocomputers I've > seen require you to push a button to turn on the > light. Anyone > have a suggestion for a small speedo/odo that would > stay lit all > the time or with an on/off switch? > > Thanks, > Hugh > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 21 19:20:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1M0KMO18025 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-209.244.213.214.dial1.washington2.level3.net ([209.244.213.214] helo=michael) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16e3RU-0002Co-00; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:20:05 -0800 Message-ID: <009301c1bb36$acedfab0$66defea9@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "Tom Gimer" , References: <20020218202909.21371.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: paging michael jordan (and others with gps knowledge) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:19:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Tom, Unit was (and still is) a Garmin GPSMAP 176C, the monochrome unit is the GPSMAP 176, and costs about $100 less. Unit has time display, but not temperatire (it does have tide charts, though) It also takes the Garmin memory modules (I have 128MB in mine for maps 'n stuff) If you get the mono unit, I'd like to compare it with the color unit sometime. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 15:29 Subject: paging michael jordan (and others with gps knowledge) > mike: > when i last saw you (enjoying a fine JANUARY afternoon near > harpers ferry) you had a color gps unit mounted on your > gsx. > > what model was it? and what model would the non-color unit > be? does it have a thermometer as well? i assume it has a > clock, correct? > > thanks for providing this info.... > > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 06:51:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MBpiO28079 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eEEp-0007gG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:51:43 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: was gone but now i'm back Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:51:59 -0500 Message-ID: <6rac7uc8aapai1g6quhghf0psqptji15r2@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1MBpsO28080 Well I didn't find it too productive to sit here and post F-U posts... So I moved on.... but... there is wealth of information here, so now I'm back. I'm thinking about getting a trailer or going in 1/3 with 2 of my buddies. So I have a question. As I recall a motorcycle length is about 6.x feet. What demension bed would I need? Or maybe we should get a 4 bike trailer.... hmm? what would you do? As far as my negligent driving ticket resulting from my stoppie... I went to court, I presented myself politely to the judge, as I did with the officer.. I entered my plea of not guilty. I answered the judges questions, with yes sir, no sir, - precisely and correctly, even when he tried to throw me a curve ball... and the judge found me not guilty. I have to say he seems to be a very decent person in my eyes. Not the "you're guilty no matter what" sort. The officer didn't give me a hard time, as he could have... So after court I thanked him for that. He congenially replied "hey I dont mind you doing stunts....it's just my job to write tickets for it" and I got a chuckle out of that, as I believe he intended. We bid each other favorable farewells. So to the listers who gave me a hard time, F-U. To the listers who felt my posts were borish, or saw no benefit, feel free to skip my posts, because I will never be stifled. You don't need to tell me you feel that way, because I don't care! Flamers - Passing judgment and flaming won't accomplish your goals, but quite the opposite. If you dont like what someone says, SKIP IT! To the listers who have responded with helpful advice for that matter, and previous matters, as well as personally helped me out, again I thank you! You make the list worthwhile, and set a postive example for me and others. And now ladies and gentlemen..... I'M BACK!!!!!! Danny 00 kaw zx6r 01 gsxr 750 and I want a zx9... or maybe 12.. for the highway mellow rides. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 07:33:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MCXqO28677 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:37:06 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B320@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'hcaldwell@XXXXXX'" , "'Leon Begeman'" Subject: Illuminated digit speedometer Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:37:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Hugh queried, "Anyone have a suggestion for a small speedo/odo that would stay lit all the time or with an on/off switch?" and Leon offered, "Why not just wire in a single red or white LED and glue it to the face of the unit? One LED takes almost no power, is small enough to hot glue or epoxy into place and wouldn't leak much light and cause glare on other stuff." FWIW, I tried a red 12 volt LED from RS on my Sigma but it burned out within an hour. Dunno if I got a bad LED or if MC electrical systems are hard on LEDs. These folks http://www.branfordbike.com/computer/comp4.html have: Computer Light - a small, bright LED light that easily mounts to your handlebar and allows you to read your computer at night. Posi-click on/off switch, soft, no glare light. Comes with a long life 30 hour, watch style battery. May be used with any bike computer. CY- 72 - 23 $9.88 Russell Stephan used one of these on last year's IBR: It didn't last the rally. Hmmm, 30 hour, watch style battery would only last 4 nights. They also have the hard-to-find: Optional cadence kit for the BC 1100 or 1200. Now works with a wireless kit. CY - 71 - 35 $5.88 Just what I've needed for my 1100. Carl in Bethesda (from the gummimint and here . . .) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 07:58:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.fbody.com ([64.19.176.212]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MCw8O29043 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by www.fbody.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1MD56Z57098 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:05:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wayne@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020222080714.01cb7058@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:07:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Great ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With the beautiful weather we had here yesterday, I just couldn't sit in my office and not enjoy it. I bugged out at 3pm and rushed home to get my bike. I logged about 80 miles of back roads, snaking from Frederick to Middletown to Myersville to Frederick to Point of Rocks and a bunch of roads in between. I can't believe it's Februrary :-) Met up with another Hayabusa in Frederick, we rapped for a few seconds at a light and he was off. Nice Yosh pipe. I've now got about 200 miles on my Hayabusa and I'm starting to open it up a little. WOW :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 08:17:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MDHaO29344 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-19.patriot.net [209.249.181.19]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1MDHTj19387; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:17:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3C764481.D9F86B8D@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:15:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: was gone but now i'm back References: <6rac7uc8aapai1g6quhghf0psqptji15r2@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Well I didn't find it too productive to sit here and post F-U posts... > So I moved on.... but... there is wealth of information here, so now > I'm back. I'm thinking about getting a trailer or going in 1/3 with 2 > of my buddies. So I have a question. > As I recall a motorcycle length is about 6.x feet. What demension > bed would I need? Or maybe we should get a 4 bike trailer.... > hmm? what would you do? > Your first choice - enclosed or open, may be a default choice. What are you going tow the trailer with? Most cars and compact/midsize trucks are limited to 2000 lbs, which would limit said trailer to an open style. Sizewise: Short trailers are difficult to back up. The usual multi-bike enclosed is a ten foot box 6 or 7 feet wide. Thats good for two bikes. Even an 8 foot wide would be limited to three naked bikes. If your going for four bikes look for a 14 foot bed/box. The cheapest conversion to a bike trailer would be an open garden trailer. They have a drop ramp and side rails - lots of places to attach tie downs. What would I do? I have a limited fun toy budget, sooo... Having a welder and having built a half dozen or more special use trailers for race boats and the like, I'd build an open trailer. Probably go for a ten foot bed with a 7 foot drop axle and 14" wheels. I figure that would hold two dressers and maybe a niaked bike squeezed in the middle. Box up front to haul assorted goodies - have Harley need toolbox! Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 09:18:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MEI4O00475 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g1MEHvh27698; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:17:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:17:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221417.g1MEHvh27698@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: re: was gone but now i'm back ... As far as my negligent driving ticket resulting from my stoppie... ...I entered my plea of not guilty. ... and the judge found me not guilty. The officer didn't give me a hard time, as he could have... So after court I thanked him for that. He congenially replied "hey I dont mind you doing stunts....it's just my job to write tickets for it" I hope you responded with 'hey, I don't mind you writing tickets that stink of bovine fecal matter, it's just my duty to see that you prove them beyond a reasonable doubt'... .. To the listers who have responded with helpful advice for that matter, and previous matters, as well as personally helped me out, again I thank you! You make the list worthwhile, and set a postive example for me and others. Aw shucks... yer bringin' a tear to my eye... and probably not even talking about me ;-) Glad you beat the rap. Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 09:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MEfWO00841 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g1MEeoZ07862 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:40:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:40:50 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Illuminated digit speedometer In-Reply-To: <20020221220022.58502.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good idea. Thanks, Hugh On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Leon Begeman wrote: > Why not just wire in a single red or white LED and > glue it to the face of the unit? One LED takes almost > no power, is small enought to hot glue or epoxy into > place and wouldn't leak much light and cause glare on > other stuff. > > Leon. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 09:55:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20108.mail.yahoo.com (web20108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1MEtEO01125 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:55:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020222145512.3238.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:55:12 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:55:12 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: was gone but now i'm back To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3C764481.D9F86B8D@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can put 2 bikes on my 8x4 fold-up trailer from Harbor Freight. $235 is their current price. Has 12" wheels and takes up 4x6x2 when folded up standing against a wall. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 09:55:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MEttO01144 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g1MEtEF07918 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:55:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:55:14 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: was gone but now i'm back In-Reply-To: <6rac7uc8aapai1g6quhghf0psqptji15r2@4ax.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Well I didn't find it too productive to sit here and post F-U posts... > So to the listers who gave me a hard time, F-U. ROTFLMAO Hugh From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 11:55:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MGt9O03204 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eIyS-0005lE-00; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:55:09 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: was gone but now i'm back Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:55:27 -0500 Message-ID: <3vtc7usq9vq9reeqo5jtmfohgb1g6f5bih@4ax.com> References: <3C764481.D9F86B8D@patriot.net> <20020222145512.3238.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020222145512.3238.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1MGtGO03205 How much was the shipping cost? |>I can put 2 bikes on my 8x4 fold-up trailer from Harbor Freight. $235 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 11:59:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MGxFO03311 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eJ2Q-0006Yp-00; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:59:15 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: was gone but now i'm back Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:59:34 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200202221417.g1MEHvh27698@atlanta.pop3now.com> In-Reply-To: <200202221417.g1MEHvh27698@atlanta.pop3now.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1MGxGO03312 |> I hope you responded with 'hey, I don't mind you writing |>tickets that stink of bovine fecal matter, it's just my duty to see |>that you prove them beyond a reasonable doubt'... That would have been halarious but he probably would have developed a vendetta against riders... and just passed it on to the next rider he pulled over... so I figure, play the good guy role, and set a good example.. maybe he'll be lienient on the next fellow rider. |> Aw shucks... yer bringin' a tear to my eye... and probably |>not even talking about me ;-) Of course I was! I cant' speak of the other stuff I said about you though not in a public forum! heh j/k From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 12:00:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MH0DO03383 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eJ3N-0006kP-00; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:00:13 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: hcaldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: was gone but now i'm back Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:00:32 -0500 Message-ID: <18uc7u45ok4v45vvp4lechp0kos6hdc83a@4ax.com> References: <6rac7uc8aapai1g6quhghf0psqptji15r2@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1MH0EO03384 |>> Well I didn't find it too productive to sit here and post F-U posts... |> |>> So to the listers who gave me a hard time, F-U. |>ROTFLMAO I knew someone would catch that Can't get anything past you From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 12:08:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MH8PO03496 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g1MH7hH08228 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:07:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:07:43 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Illuminated digit speedometer In-Reply-To: <20020221220022.58502.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After asking this question someone pointed to this site. It's overkill for my needs but it's pretty cool. http://www.stackinc.com/st700.html Hugh From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 12:11:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MHBhO03540 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eJEU-0002T6-00; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:11:42 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: trailers Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:12:01 -0500 Message-ID: References: <6rac7uc8aapai1g6quhghf0psqptji15r2@4ax.com> <3C764481.D9F86B8D@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3C764481.D9F86B8D@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1MHBiO03541 Yea I like the drop ramp of a garden type trailer... I definitely want something open.. it won't see much use, but when it does, it'll be surely needed. As far as towing, if it has more than 2 bikes, a tahoe, 2 bikes a cherokee, and if just 1 bike, maybe my maxima.. just for short slow local tows when someones bike goes splat or kaput. ok thanks to matt i know a 4x8 will hold 2 bikes (which i suspected) can anyone post the bed sizes of other trailers along with the amount of bikes they will hold? ( i.e what sizes will hold 3, 4, 5, and 6) bikes? also what differences do you get with different wheel sizes? I assume larger = smoother ride and it's that simple? tnx Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 12:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MHgKO04101 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eJi7-0002Id-00; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:42:20 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Leon Begeman Cc: Patrick Caulfield , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mounting tires Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:42:38 -0500 Message-ID: References: <001c01c1b5a4$f1eba1e0$cf825b0c@9k08d01> <20020214223407.24183.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020214223407.24183.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1MHgMO04102 While we're on the subject... I just remembered I have a couple of tires I need to change. My friend used to have a garange with a vice and a spare C clamp, and we worked wonders... but now it looks like i'm on my own.... Soooooo Should I build the old drop down wooden board bead breaker.... Or should I buy 2 C clamps.. ( new ones have this quick release button thank goodness!) I have a 180 size tire.. so what size C clamp would I need? Anyone have plans for the wooden bead breaker? my memory isn't all that adequate. tnx Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 13:15:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MIFgO04696 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g1MIIbQ11266 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:18:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:10:12 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:10:02 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: was gone but now i'm back Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1MIFmO04697 Hey Daniel, Welcome back, Good job on beating the ticket, imagine that? Oh, and one more thing F-U! George Cole 01 FZ1 >>> Well I didn't find it too productive to sit here and post F-U posts... And now ladies and gentlemen..... I'M BACK!!!!!! From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 13:28:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MISYO04913 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eKQr-0004SH-00; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:28:33 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Pejman Taei" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '02 Suzuki GSX-R 750...Suggestions??? Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:28:53 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1MISZO04914 I suspect you'd enjoy both the R6 and the gsxr 750. I think the R6 is a little more comfortable and closer to what you're used to. I guess I'd say go with the 750 though. (I did). I figure the 750 has more speed/power.. plus I thinkt he design will stay the same longer than the r6 design will. Also the 750 shares a lot of common parts with it's sibblings 600 and 1000, so that might mean parts are more readily available should you need them. If you shift a little on teh early side, you won't even have to worry too much about throttle control, because even if you did wack it, it would take time to get to the power band. If you're tight on funds you probably can find an R6 cheaper and the insurance might be slightly less... the gsxr would be more wanted by criminals though... so.. there's my input. oh by the way, the gsxr 750 has you leaning a little harder forward... so the r6 is more comfortable. Danny On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:23:32 -0500, you wrote: |>Hey guys, I have a 95 600 F3, I put about 7K on it, I am looking at getting |>a newer bike, preferably the GSX-R 750, what are some of your suggestions on |>this. I know there is going to be a tremendous amount of difference between |>the two bikes, but do you guys recommend this bike, I was also looking at |>the R6, but I think I want to take a step up from a 600, I want your |>suggestions to make sure that this bike is something I can handle...if I |>respect the throttle, what do you think? |> |>Thanks, |>PJ |>1995 Honda CBR 600F3 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 14:29:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MJT6O05922 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eLNQ-0000vA-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:29:05 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: DC Bike List Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:29:25 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20020117171640.2323.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020117171640.2323.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1MJTDO05923 On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:16:40 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>95mph in a 55mph zone gets you 5 days in jail. Fucking Judges! We need a legal system which values peoples freedoms, and opperates effeciently. How much does the state pay out to jail a man for 5 days? Why are they spending money to inconvienence/scare non violent "criminal" TRAFFIC offenders. Not only are you punishing the driver, you're punishing the tax payer. Then there is the issue of the value of a man's freedom. You can't tell me that there is a judge out there who hasn't done 95 mph. It seems to reason it's not right to sentence a person any differently than you would sentence yourself or family member for the same deed. I will always maintain, JAIL should be for violent offenders, and those offenders who refuse to execute their non jail punishment sentences. I mean.. if doing 95 is really "bad".. make the poor slob pay high fines or wash 100 police cars or something.. (therefor the punishment is equal among income brackets). I mean you can think of a million non jail, punishments. Some of which can be productive for the state, tax payer, and guilty party.. Any judge who would sentence a man to jail merely for driving 95 mph is in strong need of being jailed himself... for he is a far far greater threat to society. What if you don't show up to court? Do they suspend your liscense or do they issue a warrant? One might want to take the suspended liscense to get a new court date with a more understanding judge. It's a shame the legal system would have to work in that manner. And why is jail time even written into the law as an acceptible punishment for merely speeding? There are obviously a number of people who need to be voted out of office... if not sued/jailed. Is this not cruel and unusual? There need not be jail time for merely speeding. We have laws to sentence you to jail for causing an accident.. If you're commiting a victimless crime such as speeding, you dont need to be jailed as if you are a violent menance to society. They allow violent offenders to get out early for what? to make room for speeders? And who's to say these jailed men dont' have family to care for, or obligations in the community? You are punishing more than the driver. I'm glad I don't live in, nor have a need to drive in, virgina. If I were one of you virginia listers... I would start by writing some well thought out letters to very high up people. It's not about protecting speeders. It's about fair government, effecient government, and fighting unneccesary, unfair, psychopathic, punishments. You have to ask yourself, what's next if this isn't stopped here and now? Good luck! Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 14:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MJfWO06100 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eLZT-0003nH-00; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:41:31 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Kathleen Loerich" Cc: Subject: Re: Equal Access Bill Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:41:51 -0500 Message-ID: References: <001101c1b70c$14f25180$1d00a8c0@cycles.local> In-Reply-To: <001101c1b70c$14f25180$1d00a8c0@cycles.local> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1MJfXO06101 I'd like to sue the DMV.. for charging more for my rinky dink pick up truck, for tags... but not charging me less for tags for my motorcycle. (in comparision to "cars") On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:05:03 -0500, you wrote: |>There is a bill (HB 1182) to prohibit discrimination based on 'mode of transportation'. |> |>http://mlis.state.md.us/2002rs/billfile/hb1182.htm |> |>Just curious about how participants of this list feel about Maryland HB 1182. |> |>k.loerich From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 14:44:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13805.mail.yahoo.com (web13805.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1MJikO06197 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:44:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020222194445.48686.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:44:45 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:44:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: 95+55=5 To: DC Bike List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Were you stoned when you wrote this? Just wondering.......? --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:16:40 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > > |>95mph in a 55mph zone gets you 5 days in jail. > > Fucking Judges! > > We need a legal system which values peoples > freedoms, and opperates > effeciently. How much does the state pay out to jail > a man for 5 days? > > Why are they spending money to inconvienence/scare > non violent > "criminal" TRAFFIC offenders. Not only are you > punishing the driver, > you're punishing the tax payer. > > Then there is the issue of the value of a man's > freedom. You can't > tell me that there is a judge out there who hasn't > done 95 mph. It > seems to reason it's not right to sentence a person > any differently > than you would sentence yourself or family member > for the same deed. > > I will always maintain, JAIL should be for violent > offenders, and > those offenders who refuse to execute their non jail > punishment > sentences. > > I mean.. if doing 95 is really "bad".. make the > poor slob pay high > fines or wash 100 police cars or something.. > (therefor the punishment > is equal among income brackets). > > I mean you can think of a million non jail, > punishments. Some of > which can be productive for the state, tax payer, > and guilty party.. > > Any judge who would sentence a man to jail merely > for driving 95 mph > is in strong need of being jailed himself... for he > is a far far > greater threat to society. > > What if you don't show up to court? Do they suspend > your liscense or > do they issue a warrant? One might want to take the > suspended > liscense to get a new court date with a more > understanding judge. It's > a shame the legal system would have to work in that > manner. > > And why is jail time even written into the law as an > acceptible > punishment for merely speeding? There are obviously > a number of > people who need to be voted out of office... if not > sued/jailed. Is > this not cruel and unusual? > > There need not be jail time for merely speeding. We > have laws to > sentence you to jail for causing an accident.. If > you're commiting a > victimless crime such as speeding, you dont need to > be jailed as if > you are a violent menance to society. They allow > violent offenders to > get out early for what? to make room for speeders? > > And who's to say these jailed men dont' have family > to care for, or > obligations in the community? You are punishing > more than the driver. > > I'm glad I don't live in, nor have a need to drive > in, virgina. > > If I were one of you virginia listers... I would > start by writing > some well thought out letters to very high up > people. It's not about > protecting speeders. It's about fair government, > effecient > government, and fighting unneccesary, unfair, > psychopathic, > punishments. You have to ask yourself, what's next > if this isn't > stopped here and now? > > Good luck! > > Danny ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 14:52:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20105.mail.yahoo.com (web20105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1MJqjO06397 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:52:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020222195243.74350.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:52:43 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:52:43 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: 95+55=5 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm sorry, but what fucking moron goes 95 in a 55? 75 or 80 I can understand. Heck 70/75 is the min speed in the left 2 lanes of 495 sometimes. but anything over 80 is just pure lunacy. I really doubt 'judges' do 95 when driving even if they did have a checkered past. I'm sorry Dan, but you must like getting flamed. Or hang out with a bunch of bozo's. I however, *DO* agree with you that the state should charge the person for 5 days worth of jail if they are going to do that or put him/her to productive work for the county. Unfortunately you can't legislate wisdom, especially in the face of rabid stupidity. Go tell whoever got nicked being a class A fool, to get a moped (because clearly he doesn't have the first shred of common sense and can't control his own wrist) and spend his money on track time. Then again I'm not sure I would want said fool on the track with me... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 14:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20101.mail.yahoo.com (web20101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1MJrpO06407 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:53:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020222195350.78574.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:53:50 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:53:50 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: looking for a Vespa or other run-around moped To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii anyone want to dump theirs? I have a friend who's looking. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 14:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MJt4O06421 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:55:04 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaLr3EraqMmAuFY7lw45jXa2E6XaGujt7gYeWeEodZS3mv/QP9M8zXV/VXELZ72VRw= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eLmZ-0000Vn-00; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:55:03 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Bike List" Subject: RE: 95+55=5 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:53:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020222194445.48686.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> I guess this would be another F-U email? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:45 PM > To: DC Bike List > Subject: Re: 95+55=5 > > > Were you stoned when you wrote this? Just > wondering.......? > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:16:40 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > > > > |>95mph in a 55mph zone gets you 5 days in jail. > > > > Fucking Judges! > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 14:55:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MJtWO06431 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <15BMLRMM>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:55:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: DamonJ@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 95+55=5 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:55:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain You should be thrown in jail for writing this email! The purpose is to put high stakes on tickets to keep people from doing 40mph over the speed limit and helping keep others on the road alive. Not just to slap your hand with your ideas of washing police cars. -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:29 PM To: DC Bike List Subject: Re: 95+55=5 On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:16:40 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>95mph in a 55mph zone gets you 5 days in jail. Fucking Judges! We need a legal system which values peoples freedoms, and opperates effeciently. How much does the state pay out to jail a man for 5 days? Why are they spending money to inconvienence/scare non violent "criminal" TRAFFIC offenders. Not only are you punishing the driver, you're punishing the tax payer. Then there is the issue of the value of a man's freedom. You can't tell me that there is a judge out there who hasn't done 95 mph. It seems to reason it's not right to sentence a person any differently than you would sentence yourself or family member for the same deed. I will always maintain, JAIL should be for violent offenders, and those offenders who refuse to execute their non jail punishment sentences. I mean.. if doing 95 is really "bad".. make the poor slob pay high fines or wash 100 police cars or something.. (therefor the punishment is equal among income brackets). I mean you can think of a million non jail, punishments. Some of which can be productive for the state, tax payer, and guilty party.. Any judge who would sentence a man to jail merely for driving 95 mph is in strong need of being jailed himself... for he is a far far greater threat to society. What if you don't show up to court? Do they suspend your liscense or do they issue a warrant? One might want to take the suspended liscense to get a new court date with a more understanding judge. It's a shame the legal system would have to work in that manner. And why is jail time even written into the law as an acceptible punishment for merely speeding? There are obviously a number of people who need to be voted out of office... if not sued/jailed. Is this not cruel and unusual? There need not be jail time for merely speeding. We have laws to sentence you to jail for causing an accident.. If you're commiting a victimless crime such as speeding, you dont need to be jailed as if you are a violent menance to society. They allow violent offenders to get out early for what? to make room for speeders? And who's to say these jailed men dont' have family to care for, or obligations in the community? You are punishing more than the driver. I'm glad I don't live in, nor have a need to drive in, virgina. If I were one of you virginia listers... I would start by writing some well thought out letters to very high up people. It's not about protecting speeders. It's about fair government, effecient government, and fighting unneccesary, unfair, psychopathic, punishments. You have to ask yourself, what's next if this isn't stopped here and now? Good luck! Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 15:03:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MK3YO06618 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client102.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.102]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1MK3Nj08115 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:03:23 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222150127.02289498@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:03:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: 95+55=5 In-Reply-To: <20020222195243.74350.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:52 PM 2/22/2002, matthew patton wrote: >I'm sorry, but what fucking moron goes 95 in a 55? 75 or 80 I can >understand. Heck 70/75 is the min speed in the left 2 lanes of 495 >sometimes. but anything over 80 is just pure lunacy. ...so the question is.. Why is 81 lunacy, but 75 is ok? Where is the magical line in the sand, and who's judgement do we use to draw the line? 95 in a 55 zone is beyond reasonable, but many of us have done it. Sometimes daily. Jail time is an excellent deterrent. It doesn't necessarily fit the crime though. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 15:03:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MK3vO06628 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GRY00901A8BHL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:00:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GRY006K6A8AZ2@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:00:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GRY00001A86TQ@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:00:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GRY00024A7UKJ@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:59:54 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:59:49 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: was gone but now i'm back To: George Cole Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C76A335.9A915437@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: George Cole wrote: > Oh, and one more thing F-U! > > > >>> > Well I didn't find it too productive to sit here and post F-U posts... This is starting to sound like the Chatty Morons list. :) It's called a Standard Moron Greeting over there... :) Horkster, Chatty Moron #001 -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 15:08:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13807.mail.yahoo.com (web13807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1MK7xO06727 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:08:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020222200758.75878.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:07:58 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:07:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: looking for a Vespa or other run-around moped To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020222195350.78574.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would not say a Vespa is a run-around. The old ones earn a significant price premium if they are in good shape. There is a nice Korean machine out right now...People Mover. The guy at mopedland trick it out to do about 50mph --- matthew patton wrote: > anyone want to dump theirs? I have a friend who's > looking. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 15:12:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MKCfO06833 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay02.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g1MKCYJZ018350 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:12:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GRYASY00.5NI for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:12:34 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GRYASX00.Q8V for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:12:33 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:12:34 -0500 Subject: Re: was gone but now i'm back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <6rac7uc8aapai1g6quhghf0psqptji15r2@4ax.com> Message-Id: <824307A0-27D0-11D6-846B-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) > And now ladies and gentlemen..... I'M BACK!!!!!! What was it that made you leave the last time? Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 15:34:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1MKYcO07232 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 21234 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 12:34:27 -0800 Date: 22 Feb 2002 12:34:27 -0800 Message-ID: <20020222203427.21233.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 22 Feb 2002 20:34:27 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 22 Feb 2002 12:34:27 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mike@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: 95+55=5 X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Fri, 22 February 2002, Troutman wrote: > > 95 in a 55 zone is beyond reasonable, but many of us have done > it. Sometimes daily. Jail time is an excellent deterrent. It doesn't > necessarily fit the crime though. > I agree. When living in Delaware I rode Rt. 1 on a daily basis for about 40 miles, and it was a 65 mph speed limit the whole way. I've been guilty of 90 and 95 trying to get home after a long day...and I wasn't the only one out there driving that fast. Was it stupid? Yea, probably. Should I go to jail for it? Hell no. ;) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 15:49:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f44.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MKnwO07510 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:38:15 -0800 Received: from 63.75.33.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:38:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.75.33.2] From: "Pejman Taei" To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '02 Suzuki GSX-R 750...Suggestions??? Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:38:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2002 20:38:15.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA2857F0:01C1BBE0] Thanks for the great advice Daniel. I did actually end up buying a GSX-R 750. I found a 2000 GSX-R 750, with 5K on it, and I got it for $6000. Which is a great deal, the insurance is not too bad, and I have been riding it often in the past week, I keep calm with the throttle, but the difference is night and day, I can't say how much I enjoy having a newer bike, then riding my old F3, which was great, but had some minor problems, look forward to riding with everyone, Regards, PJ >From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX >To: "Pejman Taei" >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: '02 Suzuki GSX-R 750...Suggestions??? >Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:28:53 -0500 > >I suspect you'd enjoy both the R6 and the gsxr 750. I think the R6 is >a little more comfortable and closer to what you're used to. I guess >I'd say go with the 750 though. (I did). I figure the 750 has more >speed/power.. plus I thinkt he design will stay the same longer than >the r6 design will. Also the 750 shares a lot of common parts with >it's sibblings 600 and 1000, so that might mean parts are more readily >available should you need them. > >If you shift a little on teh early side, you won't even have to worry >too much about throttle control, because even if you did wack it, it >would take time to get to the power band. > >If you're tight on funds you probably can find an R6 cheaper and the >insurance might be slightly less... the gsxr would be more wanted by >criminals though... so.. there's my input. > >oh by the way, the gsxr 750 has you leaning a little harder forward... >so the r6 is more comfortable. > >Danny > >On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:23:32 -0500, you wrote: > >|>Hey guys, I have a 95 600 F3, I put about 7K on it, I am looking at >getting >|>a newer bike, preferably the GSX-R 750, what are some of your suggestions >on >|>this. I know there is going to be a tremendous amount of difference >between >|>the two bikes, but do you guys recommend this bike, I was also looking at >|>the R6, but I think I want to take a step up from a 600, I want your >|>suggestions to make sure that this bike is something I can handle...if I >|>respect the throttle, what do you think? >|> >|>Thanks, >|>PJ >|>1995 Honda CBR 600F3 > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 15:53:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MKr0O07588 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-3.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.243]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1MKnH879339 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:49:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222153526.03e8d150@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:51:15 -0500 To: From: Rob Winters Subject: Parking at Metro, was: Looking for a Moped In-Reply-To: <45CB5720CC54D311A2A70004ACE5255C022EB7C3@EXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:40 AM 11/1/2001, james.copeland@XXXXXX wrote: >I'm in the market for a used moped in the price range of $300-600. I'm ready >to but right now! I need a moped to commute to my metro stop (free >parking). I'd take the VFR, but will be storing it for the winter and would >rather put short distance commuting miles on another vehicle. If anyone has >any leads please respond to me off the list. On a somewhat related note, how many of the local Metro stations provide free cycle parking? I know that East Falls Church has free cycle parking on the kiss-n-ride side, and people also seem to get away with parking full-up licensed scooters (over 50cc) under cover in the bicycle racks. (The fact that one of the station employees parks his HD Electra Glide practically at the turnstyle might have something to do with this leniency. :-) Are there any Arlington or downtown stations closer than EFC that have cycle parking? My employer has upped reimbursement for Metro to $100/month, which is essentially unlimited rail, so it's worth looking into. Downtown meters suck. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 16:17:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MLHEO08009 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1MLHDc28359 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:17:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1MLHD722759 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:17:13 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:17:13 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Good beginner helmet? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm a total newbie, and just signed up for the MSF Basic course in May, but I'd like to bring my own helmet. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good helmet for a beginner? >From what I can tell from doing some research, it looks like full-face helmets are safer and more comfortable for highway riding, and my natural inclination is to go with a reputable maker and a Snell-certified helmet. Does this jibe with what experienced riders go with? I don't really want to shell out for a top-of-the-line Shoei or Arai helmet, since I don't even know if I can ride yet, but I'm not looking for an ultra-cheapo helmet, either. Any suggestions? Fish. the shoei tz-1 looks promising From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 16:17:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from eos.dns-solutions.net (eos.dns-solutions.net [209.66.124.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1MLHFO08012 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11819 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 21:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO R1100S) (209.124.21.60) by illuminedesigns.com - 209.124.21.60 with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 21:17:13 -0000 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: 95+55=5 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:15:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c1bbe6$372ea300$067ba8c0@R1100S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <20020222203427.21233.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Oh jeez, I just can't stay out of this one. November of 99...I got pulled over for doing 93 in a 55 on the Dulles Toll Road. He got me when I was trying to pull away from this lunatic that kept tailing my ass. In other words, I wasn't maintaining that speed just to get home faster. Anyways, as soon as the cop made his presence known, the guy behind me recklessly cut across 3 lanes off traffic to exit at Reston Parkway. I didn't know cars could move laterally like that! Since I'm the only one left, the cop jumped out of the airport lanes and busted me. He even admitted that, at first, he was after the other guy. So, I get a lawyer, go to court, get slapped a few hundred dollar fine and 6 month suspension. The lawyer said that usually if you're doing 90 in a 55, you're spending a weekend in jail. But, because I have a flawless record, the judge was "lenient". Well, I wasn't happy with my sentence so I appealed. At least let me go to work! I did appeal and got a restricted license. Next, my neighbor. 102 in a 65 (Dulles Greenway). He did it on purpose. Talk about having a lead foot. Since he hit the magic triple digits, he spent 48 hours in the pokey. The kicker was that all the guys busted for DUI/DWI got to serve their sentence in 9-to-5 shifts. I'm not kidding. They all got to go home to have a nice meal at home and sleep in a warm bed. The next morning, they all head on back. Not my neighbor. Obviously, our society feels that speeding is a much more heinous crime than DUI/DWI. God forbid the judge has to give up excessive consumption of alcohol before he goes home. I'm not saying that speeding shouldn't be punished. I did know the speed limit and I broke it, for whatever reason. I served my sentence. I don't like the speed limit set to 55 on the Dulles Toll Road when the cops let you drive 70-75 (which is reckless driving, by definition). And what I hate the most is that there are these third parties, called insurance companies, who are allowed to ream you for the next 5 years, even when they've never had to pay a penny for any claim in the past 8 years I've been with them. This just isn't right. Heh, sorry to rant... Wes > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:34 PM > To: mike@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: 95+55=5 > > > On Fri, 22 February 2002, Troutman wrote: > > > > > 95 in a 55 zone is beyond reasonable, but many of us have done > > it. Sometimes daily. Jail time is an excellent deterrent. > It doesn't > > necessarily fit the crime though. > > > > I agree. When living in Delaware I rode Rt. 1 on a daily > basis for about 40 miles, and it was a 65 mph speed limit the > whole way. I've been guilty of 90 and 95 trying to get home > after a long day...and I wasn't the only one out there > driving that fast. Was it stupid? Yea, probably. Should I > go to jail for it? Hell no. ;) > > Laura > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 16:27:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1MLRRO08225 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 22996 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 13:27:21 -0800 Date: 22 Feb 2002 13:27:21 -0800 Message-ID: <20020222212721.22995.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 22 Feb 2002 21:27:21 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 22 Feb 2002 13:27:21 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: fish@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: Good beginner helmet? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Fri, 22 February 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > > I'm a total newbie, and just signed up for the MSF Basic course in May, > but I'd like to bring my own helmet. Does anyone have any recommendations > for a good helmet for a beginner? > Most people go for a shoei or an arai, but what it comes down to is how your head is shaped. You need to go out and try on helmets. Don't skimp on a helmet, because your head is extremely important. You want the helmet to fit you snugly, but not put pressure on your head to where it leaves marks. When you put it on, rock it from front to back and make sure that it isn't too loose. I bought the wrong size helmet and didn't know it...thank god I found out before my head did. Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 16:35:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MLZlO08392 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <15BMLRRF>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:35:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good beginner helmet? Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:35:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have the HJC CL-12, sells around $150. It's pretty popular, gotten good reviews. The shields can be changed easily. It is a little noisy. It doesn't have a removable liner. I might get an Arai for my next helmet, those who have one rave about them. I'm not familiar w/ that Shoei model. Do we get to start the DOT vs Snell debate again now? -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 4:17 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Good beginner helmet? I'm a total newbie, and just signed up for the MSF Basic course in May, but I'd like to bring my own helmet. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good helmet for a beginner? >From what I can tell from doing some research, it looks like full-face helmets are safer and more comfortable for highway riding, and my natural inclination is to go with a reputable maker and a Snell-certified helmet. Does this jibe with what experienced riders go with? I don't really want to shell out for a top-of-the-line Shoei or Arai helmet, since I don't even know if I can ride yet, but I'm not looking for an ultra-cheapo helmet, either. Any suggestions? Fish. the shoei tz-1 looks promising From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 16:36:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MLa0O08402 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GRY00501ENNKD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:35:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GRY003N7ENMB1@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:35:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GRY00J01ENFKW@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:35:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GRY00EOGEN4LG@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:35:28 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:35:23 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: looking for a Vespa or other run-around moped To: Mark Kitchell Cc: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C76B99B.9F2E63DE@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020222200758.75878.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Mark Kitchell wrote: > There is a nice Korean machine out right now...People > Mover. The guy at mopedland trick it out to do about > 50mph Hmm, wonder if it can outrun Leon's moped? :) Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 16:36:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MLaRO08412 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <15BMLRR2>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:36:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: wes@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 95+55=5 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:36:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Did you fight at the next level with the same lawyer? -----Original Message----- From: Wesleyan Hsu [mailto:wes@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 4:16 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 95+55=5 Oh jeez, I just can't stay out of this one. November of 99...I got pulled over for doing 93 in a 55 on the Dulles Toll Road. He got me when I was trying to pull away from this lunatic that kept tailing my ass. In other words, I wasn't maintaining that speed just to get home faster. Anyways, as soon as the cop made his presence known, the guy behind me recklessly cut across 3 lanes off traffic to exit at Reston Parkway. I didn't know cars could move laterally like that! Since I'm the only one left, the cop jumped out of the airport lanes and busted me. He even admitted that, at first, he was after the other guy. So, I get a lawyer, go to court, get slapped a few hundred dollar fine and 6 month suspension. The lawyer said that usually if you're doing 90 in a 55, you're spending a weekend in jail. But, because I have a flawless record, the judge was "lenient". Well, I wasn't happy with my sentence so I appealed. At least let me go to work! I did appeal and got a restricted license. Next, my neighbor. 102 in a 65 (Dulles Greenway). He did it on purpose. Talk about having a lead foot. Since he hit the magic triple digits, he spent 48 hours in the pokey. The kicker was that all the guys busted for DUI/DWI got to serve their sentence in 9-to-5 shifts. I'm not kidding. They all got to go home to have a nice meal at home and sleep in a warm bed. The next morning, they all head on back. Not my neighbor. Obviously, our society feels that speeding is a much more heinous crime than DUI/DWI. God forbid the judge has to give up excessive consumption of alcohol before he goes home. I'm not saying that speeding shouldn't be punished. I did know the speed limit and I broke it, for whatever reason. I served my sentence. I don't like the speed limit set to 55 on the Dulles Toll Road when the cops let you drive 70-75 (which is reckless driving, by definition). And what I hate the most is that there are these third parties, called insurance companies, who are allowed to ream you for the next 5 years, even when they've never had to pay a penny for any claim in the past 8 years I've been with them. This just isn't right. Heh, sorry to rant... Wes > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:34 PM > To: mike@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: 95+55=5 > > > On Fri, 22 February 2002, Troutman wrote: > > > > > 95 in a 55 zone is beyond reasonable, but many of us have done > > it. Sometimes daily. Jail time is an excellent deterrent. > It doesn't > > necessarily fit the crime though. > > > > I agree. When living in Delaware I rode Rt. 1 on a daily > basis for about 40 miles, and it was a 65 mph speed limit the > whole way. I've been guilty of 90 and 95 trying to get home > after a long day...and I wasn't the only one out there > driving that fast. Was it stupid? Yea, probably. Should I > go to jail for it? Hell no. ;) > > Laura > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 16:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10505.mail.yahoo.com (web10505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.155]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1MLcKO08442 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:38:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020222213818.98967.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.201.226.171] by web10505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:38:18 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: 95+55=5 To: Wesleyan Hsu , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000601c1bbe6$372ea300$067ba8c0@R1100S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Had a guy a few weeks ago doing 105 in a 55. 180 days in jail, 160 suspended. So a 20 day sentence, but if he does a rolling stop at a stop sign, he goes back for 160. --- Wesleyan Hsu wrote: > Oh jeez, I just can't stay out of this one. > > November of 99...I got pulled over for doing 93 in a > 55 on the Dulles > Toll Road. He got me when I was trying to pull away > from this lunatic > that kept tailing my ass. In other words, I wasn't > maintaining that > speed just to get home faster. Anyways, as soon as > the cop made his > presence known, the guy behind me recklessly cut > across 3 lanes off > traffic to exit at Reston Parkway. I didn't know > cars could move > laterally like that! Since I'm the only one left, > the cop jumped out of > the airport lanes and busted me. He even admitted > that, at first, he was > after the other guy. > > So, I get a lawyer, go to court, get slapped a few > hundred dollar fine > and 6 month suspension. The lawyer said that usually > if you're doing 90 > in a 55, you're spending a weekend in jail. But, > because I have a > flawless record, the judge was "lenient". Well, I > wasn't happy with my > sentence so I appealed. At least let me go to work! > I did appeal and got > a restricted license. > > Next, my neighbor. 102 in a 65 (Dulles Greenway). He > did it on purpose. > Talk about having a lead foot. Since he hit the > magic triple digits, he > spent 48 hours in the pokey. The kicker was that all > the guys busted for > DUI/DWI got to serve their sentence in 9-to-5 > shifts. I'm not kidding. > They all got to go home to have a nice meal at home > and sleep in a warm > bed. The next morning, they all head on back. Not my > neighbor. > Obviously, our society feels that speeding is a much > more heinous crime > than DUI/DWI. God forbid the judge has to give up > excessive consumption > of alcohol before he goes home. > > I'm not saying that speeding shouldn't be punished. > I did know the speed > limit and I broke it, for whatever reason. I served > my sentence. I don't > like the speed limit set to 55 on the Dulles Toll > Road when the cops let > you drive 70-75 (which is reckless driving, by > definition). And what I > hate the most is that there are these third parties, > called insurance > companies, who are allowed to ream you for the next > 5 years, even when > they've never had to pay a penny for any claim in > the past 8 years I've > been with them. This just isn't right. > > Heh, sorry to rant... > > Wes > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:34 PM > > To: mike@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: 95+55=5 > > > > > > On Fri, 22 February 2002, Troutman wrote: > > > > > > > > 95 in a 55 zone is beyond reasonable, but many > of us have done > > > it. Sometimes daily. Jail time is an excellent > deterrent. > > It doesn't > > > necessarily fit the crime though. > > > > > > > I agree. When living in Delaware I rode Rt. 1 on > a daily > > basis for about 40 miles, and it was a 65 mph > speed limit the > > whole way. I've been guilty of 90 and 95 trying > to get home > > after a long day...and I wasn't the only one out > there > > driving that fast. Was it stupid? Yea, probably. > Should I > > go to jail for it? Hell no. ;) > > > > Laura > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > > > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 16:48:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (pcp732049pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net [68.49.160.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MLmeO08649 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (bonaire.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.12]) by bonaire.brauhausdc.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g1MLmsj05295 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:48:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:48:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good beginner helmet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:17:13 -0600 (CST) > From: Fish Flowers > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Good beginner helmet? > > I'm a total newbie, and just signed up for the MSF Basic course in May, > but I'd like to bring my own helmet. Does anyone have any recommendations > for a good helmet for a beginner? The best helmet is one that fits. Try on several, with help from a knowlegable person, find one that fits right and is comfortable. Having said that, different brands reportedly fit different heads in different ways. You'll want to get one which is snug, without being too tight, especially in ways that make you want to avoid wearing it. If Arai and Shoei don't have what you want, look at HJC, perhaps. They're sometimes less expensive. I personally don't think the quality and fit is as high as the others, but, I believe that they are, generally, certified by DOT, Snell, etc. YMMV. You may find that you need to try on several to find the right one for you -- and, you may find that, once you identify which one you want, mail order or an internet site will get it to you for less money. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 16:57:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MLv4O08834 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g1MLuwh07034; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:56:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:56:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200202222156.g1MLuwh07034@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Danny ranted - > |>95mph in a 55mph zone gets you 5 days in jail. > > Fucking Judges! > > We need a legal system which values peoples > freedoms, and opperates > effeciently. How much does the state pay out to jail > a man for 5 days? In a way, this is good, it's a strong deterrent for the state to put you in the pokey for stupid stuff... > > Why are they spending money to inconvienence/scare > non violent > "criminal" TRAFFIC offenders. Not only are you > punishing the driver, > you're punishing the tax payer. That's a good point, Danny, have you brought this up with your delegate ? > > Then there is the issue of the value of a man's > freedom. You can't > tell me that there is a judge out there who hasn't > done 95 mph. No, not quite... There are plenty out there that have not seen the high side of 75... But your point is valid - they DO speed... It > seems to reason it's not right to sentence a person > any differently > than you would sentence yourself or family member > for the same deed. OR write them a ticket... Danny's judgement seems to have been impeached here for advocating that 95 in a 55 is wrong. I wonder how many of the ones attacking his position are guilty of 95 in a 55 or 65 zones themselves... There's quite a bit of inequity involved in traffic enforcement, when 'DUI's get to go home after serving their sentence in the day, and a speeder is held like a rapist or murderer.... Then there's the whole mandatory insurance, minimal regulation... If you check VA's legislative site, I think there's only 1 pro motorist bill - a helmet bill (debateable as to whether or not that's pro motorist), the rest all increase penalties, make new crimes etc.... And, the NMA reps are silent, not a PEEP from them.. Write your delegates if you want change. In the time you took to read this, you could've penned a quick email to your delegate !!! just a few thoughts... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 17:18:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MMInO09173 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-180-164.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.180.164] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16eO1T-0002Jj-00; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:18:36 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020222171751.00b12318@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:19:35 -0500 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: 95+55=5 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222150127.02289498@mail.troutman.org> References: <20020222195243.74350.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:03 PM 2/22/2002, Troutman wrote: >Why is 81 lunacy, but 75 is ok? Where is the magical line in the sand, >and who's judgement do we use to draw the line? > >95 in a 55 zone is beyond reasonable, but many of us have done >it. Sometimes daily. Jail time is an excellent deterrent. It doesn't >necessarily fit the crime though. Now let's not go getting all rational around here -- kinda destroys the ambiance, no? ...and here I grew up thinking the "F-word" was "Ford". -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 17:22:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.fbody.com ([64.19.176.212]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MMMRO09250 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by www.fbody.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1MMTGZ86121 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:29:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wayne@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020222173114.041bc544@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:31:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Good beginner helmet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:17 PM 2/22/02 -0600, you wrote: >I'm a total newbie, and just signed up for the MSF Basic course in May, >but I'd like to bring my own helmet. Does anyone have any recommendations >for a good helmet for a beginner? > >>From what I can tell from doing some research, it looks like full-face >helmets are safer and more comfortable for highway riding, and my natural >inclination is to go with a reputable maker and a Snell-certified >helmet. Does this jibe with what experienced riders go with? I don't >really want to shell out for a top-of-the-line Shoei or Arai helmet, since >I don't even know if I can ride yet, but I'm not looking for an >ultra-cheapo helmet, either. > >Any suggestions? > >Fish. >the shoei tz-1 looks promising I'm using an HJC CL12 (snell M2000). It's great looking, reasonably quiet, very comfortable and has a nice tool less faceshield. I think most shops carry them for around $180 and you can get them online in the $150-160 range. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 17:26:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14006.mail.yahoo.com (web14006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1MMQlO09284 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:26:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020222222646.17373.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:26:46 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:26:46 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: looking for a Vespa or other run-around moped To: Dale Horstman , DCCycles In-Reply-To: <3C76B99B.9F2E63DE@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not at only 50 it won't. Leon. --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > There is a nice Korean machine out right > now...People > > Mover. The guy at mopedland trick it out to do > about > > 50mph > > Hmm, wonder if it can outrun Leon's moped? :) > > Hork > > -- > Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX > > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 17:32:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MMWoO09458 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-180-164.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.180.164] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16eOFF-0007M0-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:32:49 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020222173215.00af7ab0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:33:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Illuminated digit speedometer In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B320@DCHQCLEXHQ> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >FWIW, I tried a red 12 volt LED from RS on my Sigma but it burned out within >an hour. Dunno if I got a bad LED or if MC electrical systems are hard on >LEDs. Did you include a current-limiting resistor in series with the LED? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 17:35:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.fbody.com ([64.19.176.212]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MMZWO09547 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by www.fbody.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1MMgOZ86698 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:42:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wayne@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020222174434.010d394c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:44:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:34 PM 2/22/02 -0800, you wrote: >On Fri, 22 February 2002, Troutman wrote: > >> >> 95 in a 55 zone is beyond reasonable, but many of us have done >> it. Sometimes daily. Jail time is an excellent deterrent. It doesn't >> necessarily fit the crime though. >> > >I agree. When living in Delaware I rode Rt. 1 on a daily basis for about 40 miles, and it was a 65 mph speed limit the whole way. I've been guilty of 90 and 95 trying to get home after a long day...and I wasn't the only one out there driving that fast. Was it stupid? Yea, probably. Should I go to jail for it? Hell no. ;) > >Laura On our way to some races last year, 2 friends decided to 'hit it' on a highway in Tennesee. They crested a hill at 124mph side by side and were hit by radar. Cop stopped them and arrested both of them. They spent a few hours in jail, had to pay $1000/ea to bail themselves out and then had to return to face the charges. Being out of state-ers (one NY, one NC), they just hit them with a big fine and told them they couldn't drive in the state for a year. My wife is happy we tow to the races now. Keeps me out of trouble... my Suburban has a speed limiter at 98mph ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 17:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14004.mail.yahoo.com (web14004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1MMeJO09591 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:40:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020222224018.10055.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:40:17 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:40:17 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Mounting tires To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since I'm still here - instead of home trying to get tires changed, it looks like I'll be doing the same thing tonight. Personally, for breaking the bead I prefer a bumper jack. Put the tire on the ground then put the jack between the tire and the trailer hitch of a large vehicle. YMMV, it's probably dangerous doing it the way I do. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 17:49:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MMn4O09753 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1MMn3E00050 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:49:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1MMn3S22164 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:49:03 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:49:03 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good beginner helmet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > Do we get to start the DOT vs Snell debate again now? Ooh, yes please. I'd be interested to hear what people have to say. My impression was that just about any helmet on the market is DOT-rated, but only some smaller set of helmets are Snell-rated. The implication being, of course, that Snell=good. Is this really the case? Another question: How large, really, are the differences between, say, an Arai CLC shell and an Arai SFL shell? CLC is higher-end, obviously, but is it just a difference in weight and comfort? Would an SFL shell protect as well? Thanks for everyone's help, Fish. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 18:21:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1MNLfO10314 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:21:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020222232140.27129.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:21:40 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:21:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 95+55=5 To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020222174434.010d394c@noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On our way to some races last year, 2 friends decided to > 'hit it' on a > highway in Tennesee. They crested a hill at 124mph side > by side and were > hit by radar. Cop stopped them and arrested both of > them. pussies. both of em. how was ONE cop gonna stop TWO 125mph human lawn darts? ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 18:29:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.fbody.com ([64.19.176.212]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MNTSO10413 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by www.fbody.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1MNaMZ89693 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:36:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wayne@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020222183829.010d3b2c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:38:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:21 PM 2/22/02 -0800, you wrote: >--- Wayne Edelen wrote: >> On our way to some races last year, 2 friends decided to >> 'hit it' on a >> highway in Tennesee. They crested a hill at 124mph side >> by side and were >> hit by radar. Cop stopped them and arrested both of >> them. > >pussies. both of em. how was ONE cop gonna stop TWO >125mph human lawn darts? ;) hehe :-) I race my cage. These were cagers :-) They could have run and easily starred on "Best Police Chases", as one of them had a 430rwhp NA+150 shot '99 Trans Am that would probably run around 175 on the top end ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 18:30:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MNUPO10481 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-180-164.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.180.164] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16eP8r-00040S-00; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:30:17 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020222180321.00b224a8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:31:17 -0500 To: Fish Flowers , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Good beginner helmet? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:49 PM 2/22/2002, you wrote: >On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Do we get to start the DOT vs Snell debate again now? > >Ooh, yes please. I'd be interested to hear what people have to say. > >My impression was that just about any helmet on the market is DOT-rated, >but only some smaller set of helmets are Snell-rated. The implication >being, of course, that Snell=good. Is this really the case? Oh, joy! We haven't had the 2002 edition of the Great Oil Debate (GOD) [tm] yet, either! My two cents: 1. DOT standards are published; compliance is up to manufacturers, and there is no mandatory testing conducted by or on behalf of DOT. 2. Snell approval requires production helmets to pass testing performed by the Snell Memorial Foundation, http://www.smf.org/. 3. Every helmet-requiring US state I know of requires road helmets to be DOT-approved, and disregards Snell. 4. Every auto racing series I know of requires helmets of specific Snell approval, and disregards DOT. (I don't know about NASCAR, but since they allow dumb shits like Dale Earnhart to race and die in open-face helmets, who cares?) 5. In the UK, the Auto-Cycle Union (ACU), http://www.motorcyclinggb.com/, tests, provides approval based on British Standards Institute testing results, and issues Gold and Silver Type Approvals. These tests are generally considerably more stringent than the US DOT standards. ACU also accepts Snell M95 and M2000 certification in lieu of BSI testing. 6. While it is possible that a specific DOT requirement may exceed the corresponding Snell requirement, such an occurrence is very rare. Thus it is reasonable to conclude that the Snell requirements are generally more stringent, and that "Snell=good". 7. Only you can decide how much protection your head deserves above the legal requirements. Regards, Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 18:59:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1MNxhO10870 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-5-23.s1293.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.5.23] helo=electraglide) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ePbJ-0002Sa-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:59:42 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c1bbfd$071c4de0$0500a8c0@cycles> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Request for ideas to recruit MSF instructors Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:59:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1BBD3.1D860320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1BBD3.1D860320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Demand for Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program classes always exceeds the = supply. One of the reasons that this happens is because it is difficult = to recruit instructors. Do folks on this list have ideas that could = make instructor recruiting more attractive to potential candidates? Just Curious. Kathleen Loerich ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1BBD3.1D860320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Demand for Maryland Motorcycle Safety = Program=20 classes always exceeds the supply.  One of the reasons that this = happens is=20 because it is difficult to recruit instructors.  Do folks on this = list have=20 ideas that could make instructor recruiting more attractive to potential = candidates?
 
Just Curious.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1BBD3.1D860320-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 19:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from fc2.capaccess.org (fc2.capaccess.org.199.200.151.in-addr.arpa [151.200.199.52] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1N09eO11117 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:09:40 -0500 (EST) Message-id: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:06:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Request for ideas to recruit MSF instructors To: KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <001801c1bbfd$071c4de0$0500a8c0@cycles> In-Reply-To: <001801c1bbfd$071c4de0$0500a8c0@cycles> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX writes: >Demand for Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program classes always exceeds the >supply. One of the reasons that this happens is because it is difficult >to recruit instructors. Is this also the case elsewhere? > Do folks on this list have ideas that could make instructor recruiting >more attractive to potential candidates? What are the current attractions? Disincentives (distractions?)? --garcia From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 19:14:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1N0EmO11215 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id n.168.946db58 (3967); Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:14:30 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <168.946db58.29a838e5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:14:29 EST Subject: Re: Request for ideas to recruit MSF instructors To: KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_168.946db58.29a838e5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_168.946db58.29a838e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Demand for Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program classes always exceeds the > supply. One of the reasons that this happens is because it is difficult to > recruit instructors. Do folks on this list have ideas that could make > instructor recruiting more attractive to potential candidates? Time demands. I have a few friends who are instructors...and would probably be willing to give it a try. But there isn't a lot of information available....nor do I hear of it being that inviting. Aren't there a minimum # of weekends a month? For me that conflicts with motorcycle racing....you can see my dilemma. :) Keener --part1_168.946db58.29a838e5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Demand for Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program classes always exceeds the supply.  One of the reasons that this happens is because it is difficult to recruit instructors.  Do folks on this list have ideas that could make instructor recruiting more attractive to potential candidates?


Time demands.  I have a few friends who are instructors...and would probably be willing to give it a try.  But there isn't a lot of information available....nor do I hear of it being that inviting.  Aren't there a minimum # of weekends a month?  For me that conflicts with motorcycle racing....you can see my dilemma.  :)

Keener --part1_168.946db58.29a838e5_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 19:42:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1N0gxO11683 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-56.patriot.net [209.249.180.56]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1N0gu511365; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:42:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3C76E528.A48CD948@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:41:12 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathleen Loerich CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Request for ideas to recruit MSF instructors References: <001801c1bbfd$071c4de0$0500a8c0@cycles> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3609B51D5CBF996AFE6526AE" --------------3609B51D5CBF996AFE6526AE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathleen Loerich wrote: > Demand for Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program classes always exceeds > the supply. One of the reasons that this happens is because it is > difficult to recruit instructors. Do folks on this list have ideas > that could make instructor recruiting more attractive to potential > candidates? Just Curious. Kathleen Loerich Methinks one of the dc-cycles folks (Leon?) sucked in several candidates from the listserve one year. I was recruited via word of mouth. Posters in M/C shops maybe? But instructors aren't the only problem. A lack of ranges and equipment can cap the number of folks who can take the course. It would also be nice (lobbying hint!) if the various states would recognize other states completion cards. The MSF course is fairly universal, so what's the deal with MD ignoring VA cards and vice-versa? Bill Me be doing a few mid-week classes this season. --------------3609B51D5CBF996AFE6526AE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Kathleen Loerich wrote:

Demand for Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program classes always exceeds the supply.  One of the reasons that this happens is because it is difficult to recruit instructors.  Do folks on this list have ideas that could make instructor recruiting more attractive to potential candidates? Just Curious. Kathleen Loerich
Methinks one of the dc-cycles folks (Leon?) sucked in several candidates from the listserve one year.  I was recruited via word of mouth.  Posters in M/C shops maybe?

But instructors aren't the only problem.  A lack of ranges and equipment can cap the number of folks who can take the course.  It would also be nice (lobbying hint!) if the various states would recognize other states completion cards.  The MSF course is fairly universal, so what's the deal with MD ignoring VA cards and vice-versa?

Bill
Me be doing a few mid-week classes this season. --------------3609B51D5CBF996AFE6526AE-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 20:25:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1N1PlO12251 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12445 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:25:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020222203439.01057d9c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:34:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Riding today and my tank slapper (not what you think!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rode my Busa to work today. To and from work, plus some cruising around at lunch, now I'm right around 300 miles. Damn I love this weather we're having! Only had my bike 2 weeks! It was a little cold on the drive home. When I got to my house near Frederick, it was only 39. A little cold for my Joe Rocket Ballistic gear, but not that bad. Pulled the bike into the garage and installed my Tank Slapper clear tank protector. For $17 (shipped!), this thing rocks. It's 3 clear sheets of thick plastic, like a static window sticker. Wet the tank and slide the pieces on, then use a squeegee and water to work out the air bubbles. http://www.blueblackbusa.org/images/tank.jpg I didn't realize I had blue metallic in the black on my tank until today, either :-) Anyway, seems like a good product that works as advertised and is very inexpensive. http://www.thetankslapper.com/ for their website. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 20:51:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1N1pwO12703 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ljtanner (AUTH poptime) at washdc3-ar6-4-63-009-023.washdc3.vz.dsl.gtei.net (HELO ltanner) (4.63.9.23) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 01:51:56 -0000 From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Request for ideas to recruit MSF instructors Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:49:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <001801c1bbfd$071c4de0$0500a8c0@cycles> Importance: Normal I just sent in my app yesterday for Virginia, so we'll see how that goes. Everyone is right in that there is little information available as to what the time requirements are. I don't even know when the classes are scheduled, but I'm willing (while not having a real job) to give this a try this year. Time will tell. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Kathleen Loerich asked: Demand for Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program classes always exceeds the supply. One of the reasons that this happens is because it is difficult to recruit instructors. Do folks on this list have ideas that could make instructor recruiting more attractive to potential candidates? Just Curious. Kathleen Loerich _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 21:25:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1N2P4O13184 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-56.patriot.net [209.249.180.56]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1N2P0530122; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:25:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3C76FD0C.1FF5FA64@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:23:08 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LindaT." CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Request for ideas to recruit MSF instructors References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lots of time. The usual VA schedule is Friday nite, count on 6 -10 for you, and Sat/Sun riders on bikes at 7:30, instructors there to make ready at the cracka dawn. Alex has midweeks too, like the Mon night, Tues/Wed classes. I think the instructor course is four weekends, fourth one being your first class. Least it felt like four weeknds in March when we were freezing our butts off :-) Quit riding the exercises one day when the light rain turned to snowflakes! One thing for sure, you'll be whipped at the end of a class. But if you like teaching, like people, you'll be happy and whipped. It's a kick... Bill LindaT. wrote: > I just sent in my app yesterday for Virginia, so we'll see how that goes. > Everyone is right in that there is little information available as to what > the time requirements are. I don't even know when the classes are > scheduled, but I'm willing (while not having a real job) to give this a try > this year. > > Time will tell. > > LindaT. > Custom TankBags > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner > > Kathleen Loerich asked: > Demand for Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program classes always exceeds the > supply. One of the reasons that this happens is because it is difficult to > recruit instructors. Do folks on this list have ideas that could make > instructor recruiting more attractive to potential candidates? > > Just Curious. > > Kathleen Loerich > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 21:49:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1N2nYO13570 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 27195 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 18:49:27 -0800 Received: from 63.157.117.87 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.167) with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 18:49:27 -0800 X-Sent: 23 Feb 2002 02:49:27 GMT Message-ID: <003a01c1bc15$ef639320$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: For those... Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:58:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 who were interested in seeing my GS after I got it all modified, I finally have a picture of it. Let me know and I'll pop you and email with the pic...I remember a few of you wanted to see what she looks like...She looks much better with me on it, but you'll get the idea. :-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 22:34:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1N3YmO14227 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g1N3Yjw26879; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:34:46 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good beginner helmet? Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:34:45 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02022222344507.08470@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 22 February 2002 17:49, Fish Flowers wrote: > Another question: How large, really, are the differences between, say, > an Arai CLC shell and an Arai SFL shell? CLC is higher-end, obviously, but > is it just a difference in weight and comfort? Would an SFL shell protect > as well? Arai doesn't make different quality shells... just different shapes. The price difference between models is due to graphics, interior lining, and venelation. When buying an Arai (or any helmet) you need to try on the various models and get the right one for your head. I wear Arai Signet helmets for racing and street riding, and would never go back to wearing anything else. Quiet, light, comfortable, and they really do take a good whack while keeping your head intact. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 22:46:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1N3k8O14469 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer ([67.201.73.123]) by cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:44:48 -0800 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: 495 speed Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:45:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2002 03:44:49.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[71957150:01C1BC1C] Im wondering what speed most of you guys on bikes hit in 495. The speed limit for most of it is around 65 with a few 55 mile an hour zones. Usually i tend to get in the fast lane, and try for a steady 75-80 mph. It seems pretty slow since there are people blowing past you. I drove a car today on 495, and i was amazed that i could go 75, and most people didnt seem as agressive toward passing me. Must be a bike thang. Ricardo www.pileofgarbage.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 22 22:52:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13004.mail.yahoo.com (web13004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1N3qSO14558 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:52:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020223035223.76706.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.61.162.84] by web13004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:52:23 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:52:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Request for ideas to recruit MSF instructors To: "William J. Huson" , "LindaT." Cc: DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <3C76FD0C.1FF5FA64@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually, I think it's three weekends. First weekend you learn how to teach, second weekend you practice teaching each other, third weekend you teach real live students. Linda, if you haven't heard anything yet, let me know, and I'll give you the name/e-mail/phone number of one of the Chief Instructors who is running the class. I think they are running one in Loudoun in late March, early April. (Too many people whinning about it being during Bike Week). I usually put out a message in DC-Cycles to try to get some interested folks (snagged several list members). This year I heard the class was getting pretty full without the advertising, so haven't said anything. However, soon (I hope) we'll be opening up a third site, so may need some more instructors then. As for benefits/incentives for teaching... small paycheck that usually gets burned up with goodies for the bike. And that really good feeling at the end of a weekend when some students who had no clue where the front brake lever was on Friday night completes the course on Sunday and thanks you. Plus you get to work with a great bunch of folks [if I do say so myself ;-) ]. --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Lots of time. The usual VA schedule is Friday nite, count on 6 -10 for you, > and Sat/Sun riders on bikes at 7:30, instructors there to make ready at the > cracka dawn. Alex has midweeks too, like the Mon night, Tues/Wed classes. > I think the instructor course is four weekends, fourth one being your first > class. Least it felt like four weeknds in March when we were freezing our > butts off :-) Quit riding the exercises one day when the light rain turned > to snowflakes! > > One thing for sure, you'll be whipped at the end of a class. But if you like > teaching, like people, you'll be happy and whipped. It's a kick... > > Bill > > LindaT. wrote: > > > I just sent in my app yesterday for Virginia, so we'll see how that goes. > > Everyone is right in that there is little information available as to what > > the time requirements are. I don't even know when the classes are > > scheduled, but I'm willing (while not having a real job) to give this a try > > this year. > > > > Time will tell. > > > > LindaT. > > Custom TankBags > > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > > 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) > > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 01:29:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1N6TAO16734 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from rydin (AUTH poptime) at pcp813235pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net (HELO cp93425a) (68.49.65.85) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 06:29:08 -0000 From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Good beginner helmet? Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:29:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Remember weight is not just a comfort issue. In an accident you may experience many forces acting in various directions on your body, and in some cases even a small difference in the weight of the helmet (or your boot, etc.) can make a big difference. If your head experiences a force of 2G (easily achieved and exceeded in many accidents) the weight of the head and helmet is doubled. Those extra 10 oz. are now 20 oz. Much of this force ends up being absorbed by your neck. Remember, you only have one of those. Just my two sense ;) Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Fri, February 22, 2002 5:49 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good beginner helmet? >Another question: How large, really, are the differences between, say, >an Arai CLC shell and an Arai SFL shell? CLC is higher-end, obviously, but >is it just a difference in weight and comfort? Would an SFL shell protect >as well? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 07:26:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NCQ3O24347 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id n.cf.1331f453 (16337); Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:25:48 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:25:48 EST Subject: Recommendations for recruiting MSF instructors To: KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: rebel_rider69@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf.1331f453.29a8e44c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10034 --part1_cf.1331f453.29a8e44c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathleen, Recruiting MSF instructors is a thorny issue for the following reasons and by working through the reasons, we might be able to find the elements of a solution. a. First, it's weekend work which is a dis-incentive for volunteers. b. Second, the reason its weekend work is because the class invariably relies on available parking lots at various locations that are empty on the weekend. c. Because it is weekend work, full time instruction is not currently thought of as an option (because of the lack of available open space). d. The pay in proportion to: (1) the amount of time lost on the weekend (2) the amount of work for one person tends to be a little low. e. Low pay incentives can be off set by the use of "true believers", folks who are committed to the life style or the sport (depending on your perspective) but for those who love motorcycling as a sport, the loss of a weekend and low rewards is problematic. For the true believer who see riding as a life style, the peripheral (off duty) requirements that MVA places on potential instructors is a turn off. f. Active disincentives by the MVA, referred to in the last paragraph, actually turn people away from being instructors; the over control of your out of class room life. Based on these points (and their may be more), my recommendations would be the following (in reverse order). a. Remove MVA interest in out of class riding practices by its instructors. If an instructor wants to go lidless on his own time, let him. It's his inclass behavior and message that's being bought and paid for. b. Purchase and pave property for use on a daily basis for motorcycle training; like the movie "Field of Dreams", build it and they will come. c. Combine county police training facilities with Motorcycle training . Law Enforcment has to train their people vehicle pursuit and vehicle stop techniques; there are facilities that can be shared. d. With the God Awful fees being paid this year, instructors can be paid $35 an hour for a standard class. For $35.00 an hour, I'll teach. e. With higher pay, and less social control over the instructors private lives and political thinking, you could get a large cadre of instructors who then could be farmed out to use a lot of currently un-used highschool and college campus parking lots. Comments) end Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_cf.1331f453.29a8e44c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathleen,
   Recruiting MSF instructors is a thorny issue for the following reasons and by working through the reasons, we might be able to find the elements of a solution.
       a.  First, it's weekend work which is a dis-incentive for volunteers.
       b.  Second, the reason its weekend work is because the class invariably
             relies on available parking lots at various locations that are empty on the
             weekend.
       c.  Because it is weekend work, full time instruction is not currently thought of
             as an option (because of the lack of available open space).
       d.  The pay in proportion to:
             (1) the amount of time lost on the weekend
             (2) the amount of work for one person
             tends to be a little low.
       e.  Low pay incentives can be off set by the use of "true believers", folks who are
             committed to the life style or the sport (depending on your perspective)
             but for those who love motorcycling as a sport, the loss of a weekend and
             low rewards is problematic.  For the true believer who see riding as a life
             style, the peripheral (off duty) requirements that MVA places on potential
             instructors is a turn off.
       f.    Active disincentives by the MVA, referred to in the last paragraph, actually
             turn people away from being instructors; the over control of your out of class
             room life.

Based on these points (and their may be more), my recommendations would be the following (in reverse order).
       a.  Remove MVA interest in out of class riding practices by its instructors. If an
             instructor wants to go lidless on his own time, let him. It's his inclass
             behavior and message that's being bought and paid for.
       b.  Purchase and pave property for use on a daily basis for motorcycle training;
            like the movie "Field of Dreams", build it and they will come.
       c.  Combine county police training facilities with Motorcycle training .  Law
             Enforcment has to train their people vehicle pursuit and vehicle stop
             techniques; there are facilities that can be shared.
       d.  With the God Awful fees being paid this year, instructors can be paid $35 an
             hour for a standard class. For $35.00 an hour, I'll teach.
       e.   With higher pay, and less social control over the instructors private
             lives and political thinking, you could get a large cadre of instructors
             who then could be farmed out to use a lot of currently un-used
             highschool and college campus parking lots.

Comments)
            
      


end

Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)


--part1_cf.1331f453.29a8e44c_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 07:37:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20502.mail.yahoo.com (web20502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1NCbgO24558 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:37:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020223123741.98972.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.188.7.1] by web20502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 04:37:41 PST Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 04:37:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom De Subject: Re: 495 speed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I first moved to South of the beltway and started commuting in the HOVs (my speed is 70-75), I was passed quite often. (by minnivans, full sized vans, etc.). Now I often cruise at 75-80-85, because I'm keeping up. This is true if i'm in a cage , although my speed is lower so I get passed very often. Tom '98 VTR --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > Im wondering what speed most of you guys on bikes > hit in 495. The speed > limit for most of it is around 65 with a few 55 mile > an hour zones. Usually > i tend to get in the fast lane, and try for a steady > 75-80 mph. It seems > pretty slow since there are people blowing past you. > I drove a car today on > 495, and i was amazed that i could go 75, and most > people didnt seem as > agressive toward passing me. Must be a bike thang. > > Ricardo > www.pileofgarbage.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 08:25:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NDPUO25200 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g1NDSRQ20241 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:28:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:19:59 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:19:50 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Wanted 4 stroke dirt bike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NDPWO25201 Does anyone have, or know of someone selling a decent later model trail/enduro bike? I am looking to get a 200-400 enduro for trail riding. Budget is around 2K Thanks, George Cole From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 08:57:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10503.mail.yahoo.com (web10503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.153]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1NDvBO25714 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:57:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020223135710.58319.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.208.135.208] by web10503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 05:57:10 PST Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 05:57:10 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: 495 speed To: Ricardo Pontes , Dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Unless MD changed their limits, there are no parts of I-495 that are 65mph zones. I may be wrong about MD, I have not been there in awhile, but no where in Fairfax County is there a 65mph zone. That being said I believe the average speed on 495 is 70mph. I tend to ride just above the average speed. Todd W. --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > Im wondering what speed most of you guys on bikes > hit in 495. The speed > limit for most of it is around 65 with a few 55 mile > an hour zones. Usually > i tend to get in the fast lane, and try for a steady > 75-80 mph. It seems > pretty slow since there are people blowing past you. > I drove a car today on > 495, and i was amazed that i could go 75, and most > people didnt seem as > agressive toward passing me. Must be a bike thang. > > Ricardo > www.pileofgarbage.com > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 09:49:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NEnsO26409 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-243.his.com [216.32.85.243]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA28630 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:49:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020223094949.015bc1b8@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:49:52 -0800 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Request for ideas to recruit MSF instructors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I agree this is an issue, there is a need out there. I get phone calls not infrequently from complete strangers that are newish to street riding. They are looking for personalized motorcycle instruction, I assume they got my name & number off the MARRC web site because I'm one of the point dudes for the MARRC RRS. I always refer them to the MSF course because I do not have time (full plate syndrome). The common chorus I hear is that MSF course is either full, not offered soon enough, or perceived as too impersonal. Its too bad, because back when I worked for Honda in CT their MSF course was real cracker jack. We set-up the CM125's the course used, and the folks that ran it did a great job, but that was 15 years ago in another state, so I'm not sure what the relevance is, nor was I involved with MSF then or now. I suspect the shorter riding season up north had something to do with it. S At 06:59 PM 2/22/02 -0500, Kathleen Loerich wrote: >>>> Demand for Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program classes always exceeds the supply. One of the reasons that this happens is because it is difficult to recruit instructors. Do folks on this list have ideas that could make instructor recruiting more attractive to potential candidates? Just Curious. Kathleen Loerich Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 10:28:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NFSAO26973 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p34.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.34]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g1NFS8cd005031 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:28:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles List \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: 495 speed Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:28:33 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c1bc7e$c4275de0$2282c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020223135710.58319.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Unless MD changed their limits, there are no parts of I-495 that are 65mph zones. I may be wrong about MD, I have not been there in awhile, but no where in Fairfax County is there a 65mph zone. True, ALL of the Capital beltway is 55 but for construction zones (and there are NEVER any construction workers, hmm...) A few years ago, AAA reported that the average speed on the beltway as a whole was 77mph despite the 55 mph speed limit. On the bike, in light AM (zero dark hundred) traffic, 80 indicated was sufficient for 99% of the traffic up through last year anyway. In rush hours traffic, I was routinely passed at an indicated 80 by mommy vans, contractor vehicles, PG county cops - gotta be careful of these guy, their jetwash will put you in a flat spin), state troopers, Geo Metros - you name it. That being said I believe the average speed on 495 is 70mph. I tend to ride just above the average speed. If 80 indicated doesn't keep me ahead of most traffic, I keep right of the passing lane until there's a significant break, go left, cruise until approached. I usually cruise about 65-70 in the cages... I like to have more room between me & the other, less skilled drivers ;-) since I started open tracking... drivers around here really suck... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 10:29:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NFTdO26985 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ee7G-0005KG-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:29:38 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Bike List Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:30:09 -0500 Message-ID: <5adf7ukto487jnh95sfq5fl8oivqg7an9u@4ax.com> References: <20020222194445.48686.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020222194445.48686.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NFTeO26986 |>Were you stoned when you wrote this? Just |>wondering.......? I have never been under the influence of any illegal narcotic ever in my lifetime.. From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 10:43:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NFh9O27217 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eeKK-00073G-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:43:09 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:43:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3fdf7us7r583igpn4nj2850v2qio7ifthf@4ax.com> References: <20020222195243.74350.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020222195243.74350.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NFhBO27218 |>I'm sorry, but what fucking moron goes 95 in a 55? 75 or 80 I can A large portion of society maybe? police officers with immunities? People who know speed doens't kill? (loss of control does) |>understand. Heck 70/75 is the min speed in the left 2 lanes of 495 |>sometimes. but anything over 80 is just pure lunacy. Remember the roads are rated far below what they were built for. Why is the magical number 55? If you think 75 and 80 is okay, then maybe the speed limit should be raised to 80.. then would doing 95 in an 80 be so bad? I strongly suspect that most accidents aren't caused by people doing 95+ mph rather inantentive drivers or lane changing risky drivers. If speed kills we'd all be dead. |>I really doubt 'judges' do 95 when driving even if they did have a I am saying it's pretty effing likely a judge has done 95 mph at some point in his past... and a judge wouldn't sentence himself to jail for 5 days for it, he should sentence other citizens the same as he would sentence himself... for a fair punishment. |>checkered past. I'm sorry Dan, but you must like getting flamed. Or |>hang out with a bunch of bozo's. Are you calling people here a bunch of bozos? |>I however, *DO* agree with you that the state should charge the person |>for 5 days worth of jail if they are going to do that or put him/her to I'm all for public embarrassment... for some crimes.. however I dont' think speeding should be one of them. I'm under the no harm no foul principle. If you can speed and not endanger anyone... why be punished for it? The second you endanger someone else, THEN be punished. It's kind of like, swing your arms freely as you like.. just dont' punch anyone in the nose. WHen you do, then you get penalties. I guess we should outlaw shadow boxing... |>Then again I'm not sure I would want said fool on the track with me... Assuming the speeder was a poor driver/rider..... Why not? he wouldn't last long before he wadded up the bike, and you'd be way out front of him right? Better a poor rider out there on the track than on the street with the rest of the poor inattentive drivers. From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 10:44:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1NFihO27239 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:44:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020223154442.77779.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.197.53.144] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:44:42 PST Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:44:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Wanted 4 stroke dirt bike To: George Cole , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii george: go to cycle trader online and you'll be able to search and likely find a bunch of bikes meeting your criteria within a couple hundred miles --- George Cole wrote: > Does anyone have, or know of someone selling a decent > later model trail/enduro bike? > > I am looking to get a 200-400 enduro for trail riding. > > Budget is around 2K __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 10:57:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14602.mail.yahoo.com (web14602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1NFv5O27460 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:57:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020223155659.74794.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.197.53.144] by web14602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:56:59 PST Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:56:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 95+55=5 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Bike List In-Reply-To: <5adf7ukto487jnh95sfq5fl8oivqg7an9u@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii notice danny conveniently failed to mention his history with hallucinigens (sp) ;) danny, i'm with you to a certain extent (i used to get caught driving far too fast in maryland growing up, and thought "who am i hurting?" all the way to revoked status)... but i believe the thinking driving the system is: the likelihood that a ~95mph crash will result in death or serious bodily injury is high enough compared to a ~65 mph crash, so that it makes sense to consider driving that fast reckless, selfish, and (at least in virginia) serious enough to be punishable by jail time. it sucks, yes... but it's basically a decent viewpoint --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > |>Were you stoned when you wrote this? Just > |>wondering.......? > > I have never been under the influence of any illegal > narcotic ever in > my lifetime.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 10:58:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NFwdO27472 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eeZK-0001HK-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:58:38 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: DamonJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:59:09 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NFweO27473 On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:55:01 -0500, you wrote: |>You should be thrown in jail for writing this email! Gee that's an intelligent post.. I should be thrown in jail for voicing my oppinion, a right recognized by our government and our first amendment... If you don't have in mind the first amendment and a mans right to think and speak, lord knows you probably have no clue of the rest of the amendments. You remind me of the scary cops, enforcing laws they in which they dont understand the underlying spirit and theory of the law. . You ever worked in the justice system? |>The purpose is to put high stakes on tickets to keep people from doing 40mph |>over the speed limit and helping keep others on the road alive. Not just to |>slap your hand with your ideas of washing police cars. Ok how much over the speed limit is "okay"? and how fast do you drive in a 55? Tell me you drive 55 so I can laugh at you some more. Have you ever considered the fact that speed limits are ridiculously low? And if the speed limits were raised to 90, wouldn't 95 be so bad? So now it's only bad to do 95 because you were told to do a riculously low 55, and you yourself don't even do that 55. I think it's time you rethought your arguement... I have a strong feeling you're dancing on the line of hypocrisy. If speeding is so bad, why don't they have speed limits on the autoban? |>-----Original Message----- |>From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] |>Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:29 PM |>To: DC Bike List |>Subject: Re: 95+55=5 |> |>On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:16:40 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |> |>|>95mph in a 55mph zone gets you 5 days in jail. |> |> Fucking Judges! |> |>We need a legal system which values peoples freedoms, and opperates |>effeciently. How much does the state pay out to jail a man for 5 days? |> |>Why are they spending money to inconvienence/scare non violent |>"criminal" TRAFFIC offenders. Not only are you punishing the driver, |>you're punishing the tax payer. |> |>Then there is the issue of the value of a man's freedom. You can't |>tell me that there is a judge out there who hasn't done 95 mph. It |>seems to reason it's not right to sentence a person any differently |>than you would sentence yourself or family member for the same deed. |> |>I will always maintain, JAIL should be for violent offenders, and |>those offenders who refuse to execute their non jail punishment |>sentences. |> |>I mean.. if doing 95 is really "bad".. make the poor slob pay high |>fines or wash 100 police cars or something.. (therefor the punishment |>is equal among income brackets). |> |>I mean you can think of a million non jail, punishments. Some of |>which can be productive for the state, tax payer, and guilty party.. |> |>Any judge who would sentence a man to jail merely for driving 95 mph |>is in strong need of being jailed himself... for he is a far far |>greater threat to society. |> |>What if you don't show up to court? Do they suspend your liscense or |>do they issue a warrant? One might want to take the suspended |>liscense to get a new court date with a more understanding judge. It's |>a shame the legal system would have to work in that manner. |> |>And why is jail time even written into the law as an acceptible |>punishment for merely speeding? There are obviously a number of |>people who need to be voted out of office... if not sued/jailed. Is |>this not cruel and unusual? |> |>There need not be jail time for merely speeding. We have laws to |>sentence you to jail for causing an accident.. If you're commiting a |>victimless crime such as speeding, you dont need to be jailed as if |>you are a violent menance to society. They allow violent offenders to |>get out early for what? to make room for speeders? |> |>And who's to say these jailed men dont' have family to care for, or |>obligations in the community? You are punishing more than the driver. |> |>I'm glad I don't live in, nor have a need to drive in, virgina. |> |>If I were one of you virginia listers... I would start by writing |>some well thought out letters to very high up people. It's not about |>protecting speeders. It's about fair government, effecient |>government, and fighting unneccesary, unfair, psychopathic, |>punishments. You have to ask yourself, what's next if this isn't |>stopped here and now? |> |>Good luck! |> |>Danny From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 11:09:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NG93O27643 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eejO-0002hM-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:09:03 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:09:34 -0500 Message-ID: <96ff7uo0395v6ti42tud1d0pn94v5d0drn@4ax.com> References: <20020222203427.21233.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <000601c1bbe6$372ea300$067ba8c0@R1100S> In-Reply-To: <000601c1bbe6$372ea300$067ba8c0@R1100S> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NG95O27644 Wes, I welcome your rant :) A lot of people fail to understand that merely doing 95 mph is not in and of itself, DANGEROUS. You could be all alone on a 4 lane highway... They fail to understand that what I'm saying is speed limits are set too low. They fail to understand that i'm saying if a person is commiting a "crime" that doesn't endanger anyone, they shouldn't be jailed as if they are a danger. I would much rather a police officer ignore the guy blasting down an empty highway doing 95 mph, and wait for the guy that's doing unsafe lane changes at 65 mph... becuase that's where the real danger lies. Merely speeding is not dangerous. If it were, we'd all be dead. If a person is doing 95 and weaving in and out of lanes, OK, that person is dangerous, lock them up... NOT for speedign, but for the reckeless lange changes. I just can't understand how people equate speeding as dangerous WITHOUT the knowledge of spefic case surroundings. Sometimes it's dangerous, if you're speeding past slow moving or non moving objects... but if you've got the room.. speeding is OK!! (as long as the roads & vehicles are designed to handle that speed, and in most cases, they are). For anyone who would like to see people arrested doing 95 mph, I think they should volunteer to be the first to go to jail, unless they have never driven 95 mph. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Anyone who has ever drivin 95 mph and has the nerve to say people should be arrested for it, should not reply to my post, or admit they are a hypocrite. If you feel it's so wrong, go turn yourself in, and don't ask for leniency! From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 11:13:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NGDKO27731 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eenY-0003EY-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:13:20 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:13:51 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3.0.32.20020222174434.010d394c@noid.org> <20020222232140.27129.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020222232140.27129.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NGDLO27732 |>pussies. both of em. how was ONE cop gonna stop TWO |>125mph human lawn darts? ;) ROTFL! How is one cop going to stop one racer? From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 11:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NGGlO27811 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-180-164.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.180.164] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16eeql-0002bW-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:16:40 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020223111113.00b11a38@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:17:40 -0500 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, DamonJ@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:59 AM 2/23/2002, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >If speeding is so bad, why don't they have speed limits on the >autoban? Actually, it's "autobahn"; only Germany has them (they're called "A" roads in most other countries, with limits generally set at 130kph); and very few sections have unlimited speed any more. 8;( Most of the unlimited speed sections have so many construction zones (at 80-120kph) that it's very difficult to keep the speed way up. The fastest stretch we found this year was the A5 autobahn below Stuttgart, where the big boys really howled. Also, curiously enough -- or maybe not, because it's winter -- we never saw a single bike cruising at anywhere near 160kph, let alone over that speed. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 11:17:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NGHtO27821 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eery-0003ql-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:17:54 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mounting tires Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:18:26 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20020222224018.10055.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020222224018.10055.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NGHtO27822 Hmm.. makes me think.. I could that with a bumper.. I heard you used a bumper jack, but just didn't imagine in what manner. Now I see. Good idea. :) Tnx! |>Personally, for breaking the bead I prefer a bumper |>jack. Put the tire on the ground then put the jack |>between the tire and the trailer hitch of a large |>vehicle. YMMV, it's probably dangerous doing it the |>way I do. From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 11:19:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NGJmO27851 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eeto-0004AO-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:19:48 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: was gone but now i'm back Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: References: <6rac7uc8aapai1g6quhghf0psqptji15r2@4ax.com> <824307A0-27D0-11D6-846B-003065B452D2@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <824307A0-27D0-11D6-846B-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NGJoO27852 On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:12:34 -0500, you wrote: |>> And now ladies and gentlemen..... I'M BACK!!!!!! |> |>What was it that made you leave the last time? I don't remember. :) From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 11:44:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NGi3O28212 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16efHE-0007V0-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:44:01 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good beginner helmet? Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:44:27 -0500 Message-ID: <2ngf7ug5av4adq9stibvjson2rerghde4s@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NGi6O28213 Helmets have a tendency to go a rolling, when you rest them on the bike.. If you happen to know you're a clumbsy type of person, or careless and know you'll drop the helmet or that it will fall on the ground, you might just want to get a helmet that has a good reputation but isn't top of the line. . Just for a temporary time period.. of getting used to caring for a helmet. I'd venture a lot of us here cannot count the times our helmet has slipped off the bike and gave us terror as we watch it roll... So what I am saying, you might want to buy that lower priced good helmet, and learn good handling skills of it, then after you're used to it, demote that helmet to your random passenger (and back up) helmet and buy yourself a helmet that you'll fall in love with. People tell you to buy a snug helmet, not only so that it stays on your head properly, but also becuase the padding inside will compact with normal use. if you don't buy it snug enough, it will compact so much that the helmet will become loose! and then you'd discover that you have the wrong size helmet. So remember make sure it's good and snug.. not ear killer painfully tight, but definitely, definitely, snug, because it will loosen up. Aside from that, Go to your local store, try on all the models and sizes.. note the size, and model. Then go on ebay and find a store that sells them brand new at close out prices. oh and sizes and models change the fit of a helmet. You may try on 2 helmets from teh same maker, and the same size, and wear a large in one, and medium in the other.... so dont' assume two shoei helmets will fit the same. Try on that particular model before you order it. From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 11:56:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NGuFO28382 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16efT4-0001Kx-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:56:14 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Kathleen Loerich" Cc: Subject: Re: Request for ideas to recruit MSF instructors Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:56:46 -0500 Message-ID: <8thf7uoouuj7i43umg8q2scjtq9u4koo35@4ax.com> References: <001801c1bbfd$071c4de0$0500a8c0@cycles> In-Reply-To: <001801c1bbfd$071c4de0$0500a8c0@cycles> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NGuGO28383 1> increase pay 2> schedule in more flexible class periods... For instance, our local commuity college has classes on the mornings 9 to12 or some such... but they should also have afternoon classes... with more classes, the weekend classes wouldn't be taken up by those who could do the morning and after noon classes. (the young student population).. so that the weekends could be free for the working class. I would be willing to be a 9-12 morning instructor... but i have to keep my weekends and evenings free to go riding hell maybe i would do a 12 to 3 class too. Also paid training might be an incentive too.. instead of having to pay for the course.. you should be able to take the advanced class, and the training class free, with some kind of written contract that you will be an instructor (or pay the costs plus interest or some such). I personally, don't wnat ot pay to take the advanced class, nor training class.. I'd rather just go ride. Oh and since the MSF is in a partnership with leading manufacturers, it would be a nice incentive for instructers to get a nice percentage off the cost of ordering new parts.. (plastics sure do cost ) Danny On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:59:55 -0500, you wrote: |> |>Just Curious. |> |>Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 12:16:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NHGFO28755 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g1NHJBQ25602 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:19:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:10:44 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:05:01 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Wanted 4 stroke dirt bike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NHGHO28756 Thanks Tom, Been there done that, but I figured I would hit the list too. Cheers, George >>> Tom Gimer 02/23/02 10:44AM >>> george: go to cycle trader online and you'll be able to search and likely find a bunch of bikes meeting your criteria within a couple hundred miles --- George Cole wrote: > Does anyone have, or know of someone selling a decent > later model trail/enduro bike? > > I am looking to get a 200-400 enduro for trail riding. > > Budget is around 2K __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 12:17:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NHHwO28765 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16efo5-0004c4-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:17:58 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Ricardo Pontes" Cc: "Dccycles" Subject: Re: 495 speed Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:18:29 -0500 Message-ID: <7hif7uogk1e54fchkuc1dpmi3i62637k45@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NHHxO28766 Well on my bike, I'm riding and keeping space between me and other vehicles. I go well above the flow of traffic and don't have to worry about cars (and msyelf) changing into the same lane, from my blind spot, or cars coming up on me from behind. The traffic in front of me can then get a greater concentration.. and I can plan my next move, and escape route should something go wrong.. like a car indicating it wants to come over. If the traffic is scarce, I'll go even faster. Also note, I think this riding is safer in practice, than riding with cars constantly around you, and approaching you.. but on the flip side, it's also more illegal. I don't recommend riding in traffic period.. and I dont recommend riding faster than traffic if you are worried about John Q Lawman. I suppose if I were worried about John Law, I would find a nice gap in traffic, away from cars, and stay in that position, and go with that flow. I try not to pass police cars at all, as cops see that as disrespectful. When i'm driving my car... I just try to stay away from other cars, but I don't go nearly as fast... I don't want to stick out to a cop as being someone to stop... and I also realise a car is a lot more dangerous, in the concept of if things go out of control, uncontrolled bike weight vs uncontrolled car weight, the car is more deadly. People take for granted that a car is safe, when it's pretty effing deadly. Danny From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 12:27:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NHROO28928 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16efxD-0006mJ-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:27:24 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Cc: KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Recommendations for recruiting MSF instructors Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:27:55 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NHRPO28929 $35/hr i'd teach any time they want... 9-5 m-f, weekends.. whatever.. jus not 4 concurrent weekends.. maybe a weekend on, a weekend off.. gotta alot a social life too. I agree they could afford it, and should pay it... and hold those they pay to high standards, and student evaluations... which should be given before they take the liscensing tests. I think they just need to offer classes more frequently througout the day. Make use of the bikes that are sitting there. From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 12:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NHU9O29008 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16efzs-0007UB-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:30:08 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding today and my tank slapper (not what you think!) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:30:40 -0500 Message-ID: <7bkf7uk0bslbdsac3mlg7evtkr1bee74f7@4ax.com> References: <3.0.32.20020222203439.01057d9c@noid.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020222203439.01057d9c@noid.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NHU9O29009 I don't understand what it's used for? I wouldnt' use it, because I wear leathers and i want my knees to have traction the tank... and I can't concieve of anything doing damage to my tank.. where that film would protect it. From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 12:46:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20108.mail.yahoo.com (web20108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1NHk9O29237 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:46:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020223174607.65380.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:46:06 PST Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:46:06 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Recommendations for recruiting MSF instructors To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > a. Remove MVA interest in out of class riding practices by > its > instructors. If an > instructor wants to go lidless on his own time, let him. > It's > his inclass > behavior and message that's being bought and paid for. nope. You wouldn't believe how many ex-students I run into on a regular basis. If I were not practicing what I'm preaching my whole credibility is shot. MSF is just barely about technique. It's about attitude and maturity, and responsibility - something that is distinctly lacking in the wider MC community. I take it you've never served in the armed services. As an officer I was ON_DUTY 24hrs a day. That means my public persona had to reflect that role. Getting drunk and unruly or engaging in unsavory behavior is not allowed because EVERYBODY who sees me and knows that I am an officer may well develop a poor opinion of the entire service. If an instructor is behaving like a moron, then any ex or future student will say "Who TF does he think he is? Why should I give him any attention." > b. Purchase and pave property for use on a daily basis for > motorcycle > training; > like the movie "Field of Dreams", build it and they will > come. go ahead, raise my license and title fees then please. The problem is that the legislatures haven't mandated training as a prereq to getting a license. And since it's still voluntary, society is caught between the cost factor and the public good that 1/2way trained riders present. Humans, and especially those of the younger generation don't give a rats ass about safety or learning the PROPER technique to do anything. Training is inconvenient, it stifles their fun, you'd have to take responsibility to show up early in the morning, and sacrifice your precious weekend, too. It's a downer, man... > d. With the God Awful fees being paid this year, instructors > can be > paid $35 an > hour for a standard class. For $35.00 an hour, I'll > teach. I'd like to see your math. $35 is at least twice what UPS pays handlers. And I find it easier to argue that UPS/Fedex employees offer a vastly more important and beneficial service to society. $35 is professional grade pay. I'm sorry, $10/hr seems about right to me. Now, mind you I wouldn't mind $15 but I also would like students to keep coming. $300 before taxes for 2 days and one evening isn't really that bad. > e. With higher pay, and less social control over the > instructors > private > lives and political thinking, you could get a large > cadre of > instructors > who then could be farmed out to use a lot of currently > un-used > highschool and college campus parking lots. I guess you haven't looked at the typical college and HS parking lots. MANY, many of them simply won't work because they have islands everywhere and lamp posts in inconveient spots. Plus you quite conveniently overlooked the liability issue. Insurance ain't cheap and the school has to be willing to accept that risk. Fat chance for most of them. Not to mention, most of these parking lots are in use on the weekends, too you know. And classrooms? What about them? Is the campus police sucurity guard going to have to get paid overtime to be around and unlock/relock rooms and stuff? There's a LOT that goes on that you never really see. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 13:44:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NIiVO00159 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eh9q-0005nJ-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:44:31 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: Mark Kitchell , DC Bike List Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:45:03 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5adf7ukto487jnh95sfq5fl8oivqg7an9u@4ax.com> <20020223155659.74794.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020223155659.74794.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NIiYO00160 |>notice danny conveniently failed to mention his history |>with hallucinigens (sp) ;) hallucinigens included. Alcohol has been the only vice in which I have indulged. Besides that.. I'm naturally in an altered mental state : ) |>it sucks, yes... but it's basically a decent viewpoint I wonder.. either you agree with it or you don't? are we are doing the "it will save lives" vs "freedom" arguement now? I certainly feel that most people here can safely drive 95 mph in some designated areas, and that it should be legal for qualified individuals to do so. When was the last time the government or anyone did any studies showing if the public could drive at an 80 mph speed limit, and if the number of accidents went up.. Driving itself is an inherent risk of death everone takes on when they get in a car. Traffic already goes at 75 mph, and when you get on the beltway you already accept that risk.... what I'm saying is, if society lives that way, and it's not inherently evil... it should be the law. No one is protected by a law that isn't effective. If we are going to limit ourselves because of the chances of death in the event of an accidnet, then we should aslo ban airplanes.. how many people survive airplane crashes? (vs those that don't). By that thinking, we should also wear helmets when driving, how many people die because of a head injury while driving... even if they're doing the speed limit. We can think of a million scenarios to limit ourselves because "it makes things worse when things go wrong"... but then we woudln't have any freedom. From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 13:53:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NIrnO00313 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA.meyerweb.net ([66.61.44.24]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:52:36 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020223134348.00a78ec0@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: rmeyer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:47:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: 95+55=5 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:55 PM 2/22/02 -0500, DamonJ@XXXXXX wrote: >You should be thrown in jail for writing this email! >The purpose is to put high stakes on tickets to keep people from doing 40mph >over the speed limit and helping keep others on the road alive. Not just to >slap your hand with your ideas of washing police cars. Well, how outrageous 95 in a 55 is really depend on the conditions. I've done more than a ton on a stretch of I-70 in Northern MD. It was early on a Sunday morning, and I literally didn't see another car for a good 5 minutes before, and after, by short burst of speed. I was a danger to no one but myself (and not much of a danger at that, given the conditions). OTOH, if someone's doing 95 on I-66 in Fairfax County, I don't think there's any time of day or night when traffic is light enough to make that safe. Unfortunately, the law doesn't recognize the difference, and most judges are incapable of exercising that kind of judgement. Hell, show up in court with a ticket garnered on a bike and you're just about dead meat. Bob Meyer From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 13:56:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NIueO00348 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ehLb-0007Ac-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:56:40 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: new dc red light cameras Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:57:13 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1NIugO00349 As we know DC is now placing red light speed cameras on it's streets. If anyone exceeds the posted limit, it provides a red light that you have to stop at. (even with no cross street). So now we are limiting others freedom to travel, because someone else near them broke the law. That's ridiculous. The upside to these cameras is that it may in fact cause congestion, so that they can see where the speed limit is set too low, and force them to either raise the speed limit, or redesign the local roads to alleviate congestion. At such point that they can actually regulate speed to the posted limit, drivers can then stop playng the cat and mouse game of "going the right speed in excess of the limit" and not gettting caught. Then we could have a real speed limit in which everyone agrees, and abides. Of course who's to say idiots won't get a kick out of making everyone stop for a red light? Can't we just grow up, raise the speed limits as the consensus of drivers see fit, and just have stiff penalties for those who drive dangerously? Right now, our representatives arne't representing us too much, and I think just about everyone feels there are major highways that exist where the speed limit is too low. I happen to agree people should be travelling at slow speeds in communities... I just think we should grow up in making the speed limit, and enforcing the law... instead of playing cat and mouse, and trying to raise revenue in the disguise of safety. How do YOU feel about these new speed to a red light cameras? From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 18:00:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NN04O04096 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:00:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA05985 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:59:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020223180909.03e065d4@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:09:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Riding today and my tank slapper (not what you think!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:30 PM 2/23/02 -0500, you wrote: >I don't understand what it's used for? > >I wouldnt' use it, because I wear leathers and i want my knees to have >traction the tank... and I can't concieve of anything doing damage to >my tank.. where that film would protect it. Think of the dirt and dust that gets between your legs and the tank. That scratches the clear. These strips provide the same traction (possibly better?) as a painted surface and therefore there isn't any downside that I can see. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 18:06:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NN6uO04186 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-45.patriot.net [209.249.181.45]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1NN6r524868; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:06:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3C782026.66321E78@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:05:10 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding today and my tank slapper (not what you think!) References: <3.0.32.20020223180909.03e065d4@noid.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > Think of the dirt and dust that gets between your legs and the tank. That > scratches the clear. > Good grief. And I thought some of the Harley riders were anal about keeping the cherry on their rides. Bill FLHS - ol' rusty & dusty From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 18:29:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1NNTLO04496 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06676 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:29:19 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020223183833.04658ee4@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:38:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Riding today and my tank slapper (not what you think!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:05 PM 2/23/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >Wayne Edelen wrote: > >> Think of the dirt and dust that gets between your legs and the tank. That >> scratches the clear. > >Good grief. And I thought some of the Harley riders were anal about keeping >the cherry on their rides. Hrm, obviously you don't like having a clean ride. I do. As a matter of fact, I keep my house, cars and motorcycle all very clean. Must be something in my blood. :-) If I rode a Hardley, I'm sure I'd be even more anal, given their capabilities on the road. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 20:06:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1O16TO05976 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-45.patriot.net [209.249.181.45]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1O16L508359; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:06:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3C783C27.F8149B0@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:04:39 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Recommendations for recruiting MSF instructors References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4D8A03F478817A5C1F653F30" --------------4D8A03F478817A5C1F653F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > Kathleen, > Recruiting MSF instructors is a thorny issue for the following > reasons and by working through the reasons, we might be able to find > the elements of a solution. > a. First, it's weekend work which is a dis-incentive for > volunteers. > b. Second, the reason its weekend work is because the class > invariably > relies on available parking lots at various locations > that are empty on the > weekend. > c. Because it is weekend work, full time instruction is not > currently thought of > as an option (because of the lack of available open > space). > d. The pay in proportion to: > (1) the amount of time lost on the weekend > (2) the amount of work for one person > tends to be a little low. > e. Low pay incentives can be off set by the use of "true > believers", folks who are > committed to the life style or the sport (depending on > your perspective) > but for those who love motorcycling as a sport, the loss > of a weekend and > low rewards is problematic. For the true believer who > see riding as a life > style, the peripheral (off duty) requirements that MVA > places on potential > instructors is a turn off. > f. Active disincentives by the MVA, referred to in the last > paragraph, actually > turn people away from being instructors; the over control > of your out of class > room life. > > Based on these points (and their may be more), my recommendations > would be the following (in reverse order). > a. Remove MVA interest in out of class riding practices by its > instructors. If an > instructor wants to go lidless on his own time, let him. > It's his inclass > behavior and message that's being bought and paid for. > b. Purchase and pave property for use on a daily basis for > motorcycle training; > like the movie "Field of Dreams", build it and they will > come. > c. Combine county police training facilities with Motorcycle > training . Law > Enforcment has to train their people vehicle pursuit and > vehicle stop > techniques; there are facilities that can be shared. > d. With the God Awful fees being paid this year, instructors > can be paid $35 an > hour for a standard class. For $35.00 an hour, I'll > teach. > e. With higher pay, and less social control over the > instructors private > lives and political thinking, you could get a large cadre > of instructors > who then could be farmed out to use a lot of currently > un-used > highschool and college campus parking lots. > > Comments) > I assume MVA is the equivalent of VA's DMV. If so, than I'm not sure what "restrictions' you speak of. Other than kicking in $$$ to the program I haven't noticed any mandates to the instructors from the DMV. The MSF is the organazation that encourages instructors to set a good example in their everyday riding, and in VA, and MD I believe, going lidless isn't an option anyway. What is the "God Awful" MSF fee in MD? Here it's $90. Figure 24 students = $2160. $35/hr for 3 instructors would be a about $2100, add in a range aide and... oops, outta money and we haven't covered gas, M/C aquisition and maintenace, etc etc. I reckon we could raise the $7 *tax* for a motorcycle endorsement on the driver's permit to around $50 to cover the shortfall. Yes, I'd like to see a dedicated facility with a fleet of bikes and an on-site (close to range) classroom. And I wouldn't gripe if the paycheck was higher. But I have no sympathy for your plea for less "social control". The classes work, we need equipment, ranges, and more instructors who believe in the program and don't have a political axe to grind. Bill --------------4D8A03F478817A5C1F653F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote:

Kathleen,
   Recruiting MSF instructors is a thorny issue for the following reasons and by working through the reasons, we might be able to find the elements of a solution.
       a.  First, it's weekend work which is a dis-incentive for volunteers.
       b.  Second, the reason its weekend work is because the class invariably
             relies on available parking lots at various locations that are empty on the
             weekend.
       c.  Because it is weekend work, full time instruction is not currently thought of
             as an option (because of the lack of available open space).
       d.  The pay in proportion to:
             (1) the amount of time lost on the weekend
             (2) the amount of work for one person
             tends to be a little low.
       e.  Low pay incentives can be off set by the use of "true believers", folks who are
             committed to the life style or the sport (depending on your perspective)
             but for those who love motorcycling as a sport, the loss of a weekend and
             low rewards is problematic.  For the true believer who see riding as a life
             style, the peripheral (off duty) requirements that MVA places on potential
             instructors is a turn off.
       f.    Active disincentives by the MVA, referred to in the last paragraph, actually
             turn people away from being instructors; the over control of your out of class
             room life.

Based on these points (and their may be more), my recommendations would be the following (in reverse order).
       a.  Remove MVA interest in out of class riding practices by its instructors. If an
             instructor wants to go lidless on his own time, let him. It's his inclass
             behavior and message that's being bought and paid for.
       b.  Purchase and pave property for use on a daily basis for motorcycle training;
            like the movie "Field of Dreams", build it and they will come.
       c.  Combine county police training facilities with Motorcycle training .  Law
             Enforcment has to train their people vehicle pursuit and vehicle stop
             techniques; there are facilities that can be shared.
       d.  With the God Awful fees being paid this year, instructors can be paid $35 an
             hour for a standard class. For $35.00 an hour, I'll teach.
       e.   With higher pay, and less social control over the instructors private
             lives and political thinking, you could get a large cadre of instructors
             who then could be farmed out to use a lot of currently un-used
             highschool and college campus parking lots.

Comments)
 

I assume MVA is the equivalent of VA's DMV.  If so, than I'm not sure what "restrictions' you speak of.  Other than kicking in $$$ to the program I haven't noticed any mandates to the instructors from the DMV.  The MSF is the organazation that encourages instructors to set a good example in their everyday riding, and in VA, and MD I believe, going lidless isn't an option anyway.

What is the "God Awful" MSF fee in MD?  Here it's $90.  Figure 24 students = $2160.  $35/hr for 3 instructors  would be a about $2100, add in a range aide and... oops, outta money and we haven't covered gas, M/C aquisition and maintenace, etc etc.  I reckon we could raise the $7 *tax* for a motorcycle endorsement on the driver's permit to around $50 to cover the shortfall.

Yes, I'd like to see a dedicated facility with a fleet of bikes and an on-site (close to range) classroom.  And I wouldn't gripe if the paycheck was higher.  But I have no sympathy for your plea for less "social control".  The classes work, we need equipment, ranges, and more instructors who believe in the program and don't have a political axe to grind.  

Bill --------------4D8A03F478817A5C1F653F30-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 20:18:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1O1IeO06152 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2b.dc.gov ([10.128.7.15]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020224011839.XCQM17656.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:18:39 -0500 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2b.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020224011743.JABZ16757.dcmail2b@XXXXXX> for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:17:43 -0500 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:17:29 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B79500902762698636013E@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Recommendations for recruiting MSF instructors Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:19:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>$35 is at least twice what UPS pays >>handlers. And I find it easier to argue that UPS/Fedex employees offer >>a vastly more important and beneficial service to society. $35 is >>professional grade pay. I'm sorry, $10/hr seems about right to me. EZMethod pays driving instructors an average of $17/hour for car instruction. Most of that is in a classroom; when there is on-the-road experience, it's strictly one-on-one, which is easier than teaching a group. I got the salary info by checking a couple of different employment sections and then on to the salary calculators online. At any rate, I would think that a MSF instructor could expect to be paid at least as much as the EZMethod guy... from what I remember, those guys are not the cream of the crop. MSF seems to be more selective. I'd bet they'd get more instructors by making it more financially lucrative. I'd also think that the states would want to support that, because any training a person recieves makes them a better rider. My insurance company thinks so, and gives a discount for completing the MSF class (10% a year, adds up). I do technical training from time to time and can vouch for how hard it is; personally I think anyone who is showing anyone else how to do anything at all for only $10 an hour is a saint or a slacker. Sounds like the MSF is getting a lot of the saints, which is great. Maybe a few more dollars would make some of us mere mortals more interested! Just my little thoughts! -patti the lantech '95 virago 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 20:47:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-1.cais.net (stmpy-1.cais.net [205.252.14.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1O1l0O06613 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (148.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.148]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g1O1kwv55160 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:46:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01c1bcd5$108397c0$9438e2cf@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Good beginner helmet? Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:46:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Ten days ago at the Shirlington get-together Bob Higdon, noticing my orange Shoei 800, mentioned a sale he'd just been party to. Detailed info might be forthcoming again on an inquiry to higdon@XXXXXX. Which brings up -- color is a strong factor in my helmet decisions, along with all the other quality points. My orange has drawn many comments, and I've heard that silver and white rank high on the visibility lists. Dont neglect the flip up convertibles, either, though this more expensive style might wait, as mentioned, for experience. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Cover me in something black, waterproof, and flexible Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 21:11:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1O2B2O06925 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:11:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16eo7t-000598-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:10:57 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding today and my tank slapper (not what you think!) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:11:34 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3.0.32.20020223180909.03e065d4@noid.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020223180909.03e065d4@noid.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1O2BHO06926 Interesting.. I've seen a couple of meticulous type of riders who would go for that.. (easily spotted by the honda spray can they pop out at every stop) : ) I just checked out your website.. cool ! Are you trying to live up to the bumper sticker, of he who collects the most toys wins? :) Danny From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 21:20:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1O2K1O07146 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10222 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:19:59 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020223212913.010b46d8@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:29:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Riding today and my tank slapper (not what you think!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:11 PM 2/23/02 -0500, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > Interesting.. I've seen a couple of meticulous type of riders who >would go for that.. (easily spotted by the honda spray can they pop >out at every stop) : ) C'mon, I'm not *that* anal ;-) I've ridden 300 miles already and I haven't washed my bike! 8-) >I just checked out your website.. cool ! Are you trying to live up to >the bumper sticker, of he who collects the most toys wins? :) Thanks. Nah, just using the right tool for the right job, ya know? :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 21:44:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1O2iBO07432 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-45.patriot.net [209.249.181.45]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1O2i4520899; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:44:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3C78530F.AB9F47B1@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:42:23 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding today and my tank slapper (not what you think!) References: <3.0.32.20020223212913.010b46d8@noid.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > At 09:11 PM 2/23/02 -0500, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Interesting.. I've seen a couple of meticulous type of riders who > >would go for that.. (easily spotted by the honda spray can they pop > >out at every stop) : ) > > C'mon, I'm not *that* anal ;-) I've ridden 300 miles already and I > haven't washed my bike! > Mine got washed mid-September by a buncha Michigan high school kids raisng money for their sports team. After two days riding in the rain to MI it was kinda extra scruffy. Waste of soap, rained on me going down to TN too! Then after a week on the Outer Banks it had so much salt on it the deer were using it for lick. I'd wash it again but the deer got it pretty clean... Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 23 23:13:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.gdn.org (server.gdn.org [207.188.200.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1O4DgO08681 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.188.200.69] ([207.188.200.69]) by server.gdn.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1O4Pgm08868 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:25:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jsteele@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:13:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeff Steele Subject: Re: new dc red light cameras Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > >As we know DC is now placing red light speed cameras on it's streets. Actually, according to what I read in the Washington Post, its one light on one street. >The upside to these cameras is that it may in fact cause congestion, >so that they can see where the speed limit is set too low, and force >them to either raise the speed limit, or redesign the local roads to >alleviate congestion. You must not drive in DC much. First of all, there is no shortage of congestion. Second of all, almost all roads go through residential areas so it is unreasonable to increase speed limits. Third, redesigning roads in a manner to make higher speeds practical often means destroying communities which is a pretty high price to ask DC residents to pay for something that will primarily benefit non-residents. >At such point that they can actually regulate speed to the posted >limit, drivers can then stop playng the cat and mouse game of >"going the right speed in excess of the limit" and not gettting >caught. Actually, the most intelligent game to play in DC is going the speed at which the traffic lights are synchronized which is generally the speed limit (with a number of frustrating exceptions). >Right now, our representatives arne't representing us too much, and I >think just about everyone feels there are major highways that exist >where the speed limit is too low. Very few in DC (maybe Suitland Parkway and 295 during non-rush hours). >I happen to agree people should be travelling at slow speeds in communities... The lone camera of this sort is in a residential area. >How do YOU feel about these new speed to a red light cameras? > I'd like to have one on my street. I have a young son and cars drive well over the speed limit on both the street and in the alley behind the house. Nobody in my neighborhood complains about crime anymore. Now, high speed traffic is the biggest issue. Jeff -- From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 00:24:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20101.mail.yahoo.com (web20101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1O5OiO09693 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:24:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020224052443.81775.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:24:43 PST Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:24:43 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: new dc red light cameras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > As we know DC is now placing red light speed cameras on it's streets. > > If anyone exceeds the posted limit, it provides a red light that you > have to stop at. (even with no cross street). So now we are limiting > others freedom to travel, because someone else near them broke the > law. That's ridiculous. No, it might cause some of the morons to take a chill pill. We've got a few in N. VA (Herndon and Stirling) and they are there to protect the local residents from the fools who think the road is their little race track or by virtue of the road design don't realize (till late) it's a residential community and that slower speeds are prudent. If everybody bothered to behave sanely we wouldn't need to have these sort of things. Instead of bitching about big brother, why don't you go down to squid row or other cadres of irresponsible motor-vehicle operators and open a can of kong-fu whoop-ass, break a few knee caps, and read them the riot-act for ruining your riding fun? You want to make an improvement? Clean up the people you associate with. You know, Singapore has a couple of good ideas. I know you're against fines, and burning your precious tax money on incarceration, and drunks getting to serve their time at their 'leisure', and all that. How about we institute caning? Drop trou, my man, and in 10 minutes you're done. And tip the judge on your way out. automatic 10 swings for reckless, 1 swat for every 2mph over. You and Jet-Lee in a private room, as he warms your sorry ass so you can't sit down for a while. You don't get it, do you. Society has laid out "reasonable and proper" expectations of road-going behavior. It doesn't matter if you think they are lower than what you'd like, or even if you can (in your own mind) operate with acceptable risk at elevated speeds. 'Society' as a group has decided otherwise. So shut up and sit down. Or get the heck out of my town. I dare say Danny, you just love to argue and/or play the 'victim'. What was that about FU posts? I got a quarter. Take your bleating to someone who cares. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 01:24:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20109.mail.yahoo.com (web20109.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1O6OCO10531 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:24:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020224062411.3279.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:24:11 PST Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: 95+55=5 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3fdf7us7r583igpn4nj2850v2qio7ifthf@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I'm all for public embarrassment... for some crimes.. however I dont' > think speeding should be one of them. I'm under the no harm no foul > principle. If you can speed and not endanger anyone... why be > punished > for it? The second you endanger someone else, THEN be punished. kindly remove those rose-tinted eye-shades you're wearing. You go 95 or 80 or whatever is over the limit in any significant way, or drive too fast for conditions (regardless if it's under or over the limit), or do stoppies or (my favorite) ride in the guy's trunk, or whatever else comes to mind you *ARE* endangering other people. Just because you didn't happen to kill them or hit them, or scare the bejeepers out of them doesn't mean they weren't in danger! You and they were just lucky nobody traded paint. That time. > kind of like, swing your arms freely as you like.. just dont' punch > anyone in the nose. WHen you do, then you get penalties. I guess > we > should outlaw shadow boxing... We do. it's called disturbing the peace and being a public meanace. Go ahead, walk down downtown DC swinging your fist, or a baseball bat and see how far you get. > |>Then again I'm not sure I would want said fool on the track with > me... > > Assuming the speeder was a poor driver/rider..... > Why not? he wouldn't last long before he wadded up the bike, and > you'd > be way out front of him right? No, because the stupid sob could take *me* out or any of the other innocent people who are just there to practice in an appropriate environment. And if he does wad his bike, the ambulance has to be called out, the track shut down, debris and oil cleaned off the surface, and my money wasted as I sit on the side-lines fuming at said dork. And furthermore I don't wish upon said rider the ill-will of personal injury or possible death. I'd much rather he pull his head out of his ass, sell his bike, and stop being a meanace to society until such time as he grew up and demonstrated a modicum of responsibility and maturity. The first thing to go when drinking from the -OH group is judgement. I'm afraid the ownership of sportbikes by young persons or those lacking basic norms, is no different. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 01:43:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1O6h4O10839 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16esND-00037W-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:43:04 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tech tv Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:43:43 -0500 Message-ID: <7s2h7u84s9348l36g0nsleoeqltdc8p8v0@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1O6hBO10840 if you are up righ tnow 1:43 am.. turn on tech tv they are talking about new helmets to reduce brian damage in an accident. From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 01:48:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1O6mVO10929 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16esSV-0003TY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:48:31 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tech tv - helmet design Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:49:10 -0500 Message-ID: <8u2h7uodfmbvtittm5d0kdanp0uiv4lu2q@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1O6mWO10930 Well it just went off... basicly they said there is a type of injury, in which the head takes an impact and twists, and the brain inside doesn't twist at the same rate.. thus creating tears and severing tissue of the brain, causing brain damage. The showed a helmet with an extra layer of a different kind of padding to absorb the twisting effect.. and executed a test which showed the helme tto be helpful (in their theory).... it started off with a guy talking about how he was lane splitting ( i think?) and got lodged under the wheels of a large truck. The truck then rolled over his upper arm, shoulder and head. The guy woke upa month later and had a screw in his head ot releive brain swelling pressure... then they went into the segment described above. Currently the helmet design is not being manufactured.. whether the big boys have looked into it and found it credible or non, they didn't say. From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 02:13:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1O7D0O11536 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 02:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16esqB-0004sR-00; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 02:13:00 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Jeff Steele Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new dc red light cameras Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 02:13:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1h3h7u4hs3vktpkv14qo7dc6app36k9cdl@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1O7D2O11537 Actually I drive in D.C. more than I would like. It always starts as just one... but let lockhead martin get to thinking.. put a speed camera, a traffic light with no intersection, and red light camera at that light.. the effect.. you get a dumb ass speeder speeding and running a red light on camera... I'm not saying that's bad though.. I make a distinction between fast and dangerous. Catch a dangerous person. Of course a lot of cars in DC are with untraceable paper tags. Some counterfit, some stolen, some just illegally issued. So I guess it punishes the semi law abiding. I can think of a few streets where the traffic can get some speed up.. stretches of NY ave, and some roads around childrens hospital.. You live in dc jeff? From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 03:14:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1O8EPO12510 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16etnb-0001jO-00; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:14:23 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new dc red light cameras Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:15:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20020224052443.81775.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020224052443.81775.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1O8ETO12511 |>> If anyone exceeds the posted limit, it provides a red light that you |>> have to stop at. (even with no cross street). So now we are limiting |>> others freedom to travel, because someone else near them broke the |>> law. That's ridiculous. |> |>local residents from the fools who think the road is their little race |>track or by virtue of the road design don't realize (till late) it's a |>residential community and that slower speeds are prudent. If everybody |>bothered to behave sanely we wouldn't need to have these sort of If that's the case the police should be called, residence should video tape dangerous law breakers.. not just throw up a red light and let the dangerous people move the problem to a different area. |>things. Instead of bitching about big brother, why don't you go down to bitching? I was just proposing a topic of discussion. I will however rise issue when a persons rights are denied by the government. A right delayed is a right denied. |>squid row or other cadres of irresponsible motor-vehicle operators and |>open a can of kong-fu whoop-ass, break a few knee caps, and read them Yes, that sounds like good reasonable advice.. who needs judges and juries, due process, or fairiness in sentencing... hell what do we need police for? let's just have one big anarchic world. |>the riot-act for ruining your riding fun? You want to make an |>improvement? Clean up the people you associate with. Who ruines my fun? Who do I associate with? Are you the matt that I have met? And have associated with the same folks I have met? Have you operated vehicles on public streets in the same manner you condemn? Shouldn't you be punished for the same things? Are you allowed to make mistakes in which others should be punsihed for? |>You know, Singapore has a couple of good ideas. I know you're against |>fines, and burning your precious tax money on incarceration, I'm not neccesarily against fines.. I just think they should be equal and fair. Don't fine both a rich man and poor man $1000 and call it fair. |> and drunks getting to serve their time at their 'leisure', and all that. Yea.. unfortunately jail doens't stop repeat offenders either.. |> How about we institute caning? Drop trou, my man, and in 10 minutes you're done. |>And tip the judge on your way out. automatic 10 swings for reckless, 1 |>swat for every 2mph over. You and Jet-Lee in a private room, as he |>warms your sorry ass so you can't sit down for a while. Actually I don't mind public embarassment for SOME crimes. Speeding in residentials yea.. speeding on highways no. |>You don't get it, do you. Society has laid out "reasonable and proper" |>expectations of road-going behavior. It doesn't matter if you think Society has? Really? I was under the impression a government agency set the limit, and the vast majority of society breaks the set limits set.. but you're saying.. society set the limits.. and now.. society breaks them? that makes sense to you? I think I'll stick with my original hypothesis that the gov't set the limit too low on most roads (with the exception of residential).. and society does not adhere to the ridiculous limits except in the presence of an officer. Tell me, when did society vote these speed limits? Was it mulitple choice or fill in the blank? I musta skipped school that day. |>they are lower than what you'd like, or even if you can (in your own |>mind) operate with acceptable risk at elevated speeds. 'Society' as a |>group has decided otherwise. Ok so when does society have these meetings that I keep missing? |> So shut up and sit down. Or get the heck out of my town. I shall neither shut up, nor evacuate any area.. you sound as if you don't understand our first amendmentment... and as if you may need to speak with a psychiatrist to evaulate your chemical balances... I'm flattered that you want to run me out of town.. I mean, isn't that what they wanted to do to jesus.. plato.. gandi.. and all the other big names? I'm not worthy! really i'm not! |>I dare say Danny, you just love to argue and/or play the 'victim'. Alright alright you got me.. I do kind of enjoy intelligent arguments, however you are letting me down. As far as playing the victim, I am not the victim, society is the victim. Punish the guilty, not the law abiding. If there is any role i"ll play, it's devils advocate. |>What was that about FU posts? I got a quarter. Take your bleating to someone |>who cares. I'll see you're quarter and raise raise you two nickles.. Your two cents don't amount to very much. Now on the topic of "who cares" what makes you think I place any value in your repsonse,( public and private) other than laughing entertainment value? Now who cares? If you don't why reply? From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 03:38:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1O8cYO12873 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-160.s2192.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.160] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16euAy-00065i-00; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:38:33 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:39:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3a8h7uo7f4jfffk88vnn2e8kbf9oj9o2bf@4ax.com> References: <3fdf7us7r583igpn4nj2850v2qio7ifthf@4ax.com> <20020224062411.3279.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020224062411.3279.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1O8cZO12874 |>kindly remove those rose-tinted eye-shades you're wearing. You go 95 or |>80 or whatever is over the limit in any significant way, or drive too |>fast for conditions (regardless if it's under or over the limit), or do Who's to say doing 95 on an empty road is exceeding conditions? Certainly not the engineers who designed the roads! Forget what they say.. driving over 55 is wrong cuz YOU say so! right! yea right. |>stoppies or (my favorite) ride in the guy's trunk, or whatever else I'll continue to do stoppies..and what are you talking about riding in a guys trunk? |>comes to mind you *ARE* endangering other people. Just because you |>didn't happen to kill them or hit them, or scare the bejeepers out of |>them doesn't mean they weren't in danger! You and they were just lucky |>nobody traded paint. That time. What time? when I did my endo? Did you witness it? I'll have you know I have a clean, accident free driving record. Can you say the same? I've had my booboos but i've never caused any vehicle accidents... I highly suspect you've gone way faster than I ever have on back country roads with blind twists and curves.. Don't crank your pedalstall too high.. you may fall off. |>> kind of like, swing your arms freely as you like.. just dont' punch |>> anyone in the nose. WHen you do, then you get penalties. I guess |>> we should outlaw shadow boxing... |> |>We do. it's called disturbing the peace and being a public meanace. Go That's funny I see boxers running and jogging all the time.. Running and throwing punches oh my what a danger to society!!!! Someone call the police we've got felons running loose! disturbing the peace and public menance.. you autta take your act to the laugh factory in laurel. |>ahead, walk down downtown DC swinging your fist, or a baseball bat and |>see how far you get. If you don't swing at a person, I highly suspect you will not be bothered by anyone. |>> |>Then again I'm not sure I would want said fool on the track with |>> me... |>> Assuming the speeder was a poor driver/rider..... |>> Why not? he wouldn't last long before he wadded up the bike, and |>> you'd |>> be way out front of him right? |> |>No, because the stupid sob could take *me* out or any of the other So you arent' capable of leaving a fool behind and have about the same amount of riding skills? Well maybe you could learn some strategy.. keep him in front of you.. then you fail to hit him. Are you capable of doing that? |>innocent people who are just there to practice in an appropriate |>environment. And if he does wad his bike, the ambulance has to be |>called out, the track shut down, debris and oil cleaned off the isn't that the risk you take? |>surface, and my money wasted as I sit on the side-lines fuming at said |>dork. And furthermore I don't wish upon said rider the ill-will of So you are immune to crashing on the track... and if you do, then you are said dork right? |>personal injury or possible death. I'd much rather he pull his head out |>of his ass, sell his bike, and stop being a meanace to society until |>such time as he grew up and demonstrated a modicum of responsibility |>and maturity. By your standards right? And said person should follow in your holy and untained footsteps right? |>The first thing to go when drinking from the -OH group is judgement. |>I'm afraid the ownership of sportbikes by young persons or those |>lacking basic norms, is no different. whatever that means... how does that poem/saying go... wisdom is not aquire with age nor expereince, but instead ___________ ? or something to that effect... someone help me out.. From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 06:14:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01h.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.238]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1OBEqO15050 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 06:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21244 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 11:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.200.1?) ([170.215.128.196]) (envelope-sender ) by relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Feb 2002 11:14:41 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 06:14:41 -0500 Subject: MSF instructors--oops now coaches From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Over here in West-by-God we have similar problems. In addition, for the really dedicated instructors ,there is the burn -out factor. A buddy of mine did twenty couple classes last year and says that this year he his going to do only a few. Bill is correct after several hours on the range in July you are whipped. We have given a brief look at the private instruction route, but without State support it would simply be too expensive. The only real solution would be for the states to step up and make the program a full time professional set up with dedicated ranges etc. I just don't see that happening. Just look at the totally bogus system we use to teach youngsters to drive cages. Bob From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 09:58:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1OEwrO18128 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.152.96b2afb (4595) for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:58:25 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <152.96b2afb.29aa5990@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:58:24 EST Subject: Re: Parking at Metro, was: Looking for a Moped To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/22/2002 3:56:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > how many of the local Metro stations provide > free cycle parking? Lots of it a Van Dorn. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 14:14:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from out020.verizon.net (out020pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1OJEjO21712 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from cypher ([141.156.240.237]) by out020.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020224191432.JWBS22012.out020.verizon.net@cypher> for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:14:32 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: Subject: OT- FS one day old Sony Clie T-615c Palm PDA Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:14:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c1bd67$85566f40$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <152.96b2afb.29aa5990@aol.com> Sorry- but with all the GPS geekage and such I figured that someone on the list might be interested in buying a PDA. It is Sony's newest and smallest Color Palm based PDA. If you want info check out http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/clie/615_index.shtml I took it out of the box, fooled with it for a night and decided I didn't like it (I want Sony's slightly thinner monochrome version.) The software is still sealed. I got this for free, so the best offer over $315 takes it (I'll even ride over to your place and drop it off). These sell for $375 at Best Buy and the like or are available online for about $350 with shipping... Rob Curtis rmcurtis@XXXXXX www.robcurtis.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 18:43:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1ONhIO25505 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.195.2ca3236 (4587) for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:42:59 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <195.2ca3236.29aad482@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:42:58 EST Subject: Re: Riding today and my tank slapper (not what you think!) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_195.2ca3236.29aad482_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_195.2ca3236.29aad482_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wayne@XXXXXX writes: > haven't washed my bike!> > Hey...careful there! Don't let Dale hear you! Next thing ya know you'll be saying foolish things like chain-drive bikes are great and that you use synthetic oil... You might as well say that you love guns and do stoppies while your at it! LOL Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 --part1_195.2ca3236.29aad482_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wayne@XXXXXX writes:

<C'mon, I'm not *that* anal  ;-)  I've ridden 300 miles already and I
haven't washed my bike!>

    Hey...careful there! Don't let Dale hear you! Next thing ya know you'll be saying foolish things like chain-drive bikes are great and that you use synthetic oil...
    You might as well say that you love guns and do stoppies while your at it!   LOL

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9 --part1_195.2ca3236.29aad482_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 19:13:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11308.mail.yahoo.com (web11308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.211]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1P0DeO26014 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:13:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020225001339.33216.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.95.69.30] by web11308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:13:39 PST Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:13:39 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Re: 495 speed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200202240000.g1O001U04971@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just a friendly reminder: In Virginia, going 50 mph in a 30 mph zone, 60 in a 35, 60 in a 40, 75 in a 55, or over 80 anywhere (including 65 mph zones) is -- by itself -- considered "Reckless Driving," a class I criminal misdemeanor for which the possible penalties include up to one year in jail and a hefty fine. VA Gen'l Stats. section 46.2-862 At the very least, the charge is not a simple ticket, for which payment can be mailed in . . . it requires a court appearance (and thus probably a lawyer: $$$). VA takes speeding seriously. As for whether that's right or wrong , I'll let the list continue its flame-fest. I didn't enjoy my ticket (83 mph/65 mph zone), but I was going too fast, and knew it. Lesson learned: now I drive 79 mph or less (usually averaging 74-ish if conditions allow) in a 65. Aaron (not legal advice, consult an attorney licensed in your jurisdiction) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 21:48:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1P2m5O28314 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from comcast.net ([68.48.192.112]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GS200MVLIFYN8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:47:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:42:25 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Riding today and my tank slapper (not what you think!) To: SBave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C79A491.7ADBF46B@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <195.2ca3236.29aad482@aol.com> Steve wrote: > You might as well say that you love guns and do stoppies while your at it! LOL What's wrong with loving guns? Agree with all the other foolish/chains stuff... :) Horkster Glock 17 w/ 5 pre-ban hicaps :^D Taurus 94 Marlin Model 375 NEF Pardner 20 Gauge (for the kids) :) -- Same old Hork, but new email: horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 21:56:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1P2udO28408 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-80.patriot.net [209.249.181.80]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1P2ub531555; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:56:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3C79A77F.960EE861@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:54:55 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: SBave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding today and my tank slapper (not what you think!) References: <195.2ca3236.29aad482@aol.com> <3C79A491.7ADBF46B@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Steve wrote: > > > You might as well say that you love guns and do stoppies while your at it! LOL > > What's wrong with loving guns? Guns are lousy in bed... Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 24 22:22:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1P3MiO28829 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-63.208.165.2.dial1.washington2.level3.net ([63.208.165.2] helo=ix.netcom.com) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16fBih-00037C-00; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:22:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3C79ADA9.8050708@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:21:13 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William J. Huson" CC: Dale Horstman , SBave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding today and my tank slapper (not what you think!) References: <195.2ca3236.29aad482@aol.com> <3C79A491.7ADBF46B@comcast.net> <3C79A77F.960EE861@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, Maybe YOUR gun, but please don't speak for the rest of us. %^) Chuck William J. Huson wrote: > > Guns are lousy in bed... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 07:59:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from medusa.veiinternet.com ([207.244.8.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PCxjO07329 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 07:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from (unverified [207.244.8.40]) by medusa.veiinternet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.1.216) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 07:59:36 -0500 Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 7 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wanted 4 stroke dirt bike Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 07:59:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1PD02O07330 Check out the dcoffroad group at groups.yahoo.com. As the name suggests it is an offroad version of this list... Kirk ----- Original Message ----- From: George Cole Sent: 2/23/2002 8:19:50 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wanted 4 stroke dirt bike > Does anyone have, or know of someone selling a decent later model trail/enduro bike? > > I am looking to get a 200-400 enduro for trail riding. > > Budget is around 2K > > Thanks, > > George Cole From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 08:07:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PD7kO07574 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:07:46 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYtU8GRMHmE9g37mh1O0U5TcaCgv/YSuDH7n5vk1YNQh2Xk/h4Gk1XkFEspcf55R24= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16fKr3-0006iW-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:07:45 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: speaking of 4 stroke dirt bikes... Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:06:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: I saw a schweet looking Suzuki DRZ-400 in Georgetown Friday night; it was turned into a super-motard. Lister? --jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 08:58:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h009.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1PDweO08351 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 26868 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 05:58:33 -0800 Date: 25 Feb 2002 05:58:33 -0800 Message-ID: <20020225135833.26867.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 25 Feb 2002 13:58:33 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 25 Feb 2002 05:58:33 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Subject: paging Lori Lori: Send me an email when you get a chance. Thanks! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 09:13:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13003.mail.yahoo.com (web13003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1PEDhO08646 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:13:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020225141342.37575.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.95.237] by web13003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 06:13:42 PST Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 06:13:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Spring must be near... To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While going through DC for a meeting over the weekend, I saw a bunch of sport bikes waiting for a light, (intersection of NY Ave and Florida?) aggressively filtering their way to the front. The guy in the lead must have been really happy when he weaved his way through all of the cars, because when the light turned green, he did a wheelie for a half block down NY Ave to celebrate. Spring must be near! Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 09:21:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PELEO08829 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2a.dc.gov ([10.128.7.14]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020225142113.YZXX17656.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:21:13 -0500 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2a.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020225142113.LUUF3450.dcmail2a@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:21:13 -0500 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:19:56 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B79500902762698636013F@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Recommendations for recruiting MSF instructors Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:21:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>You keep forgetting a salient point. We're volunteers!! Except for the very rare example, none of us are trying to make a living off of doing this. Even though a lot of instructors do this for personal, non-financial reasons, I think it would be more attractive to potential instructors if there was more money involved. Most of us are grown-ups with real obligations, most of us work through the week and have the weekend to take care of the house, balance the checkbook, etc, all the trappings of being a grown-up and squeeze in a little or a lot of riding to boot. A larger salary would make more people more likely to give up that precious weekend time... and my comparison to EZ-Method salaries was just to show what similar kinds of work goes for. Of course the EZ-Method guy will, in the long run, make more money because there are more sessions for him(her) to teach. With all the other factors involved, it seems like the salary thing would be the easiest for the MSF to adjust. Far easier, in my opinion, than building dedicated training grounds (which would be very nice, but a paperwork and permit nightmare, and $$$) or the likes. Just my opinion, though; maybe there is no salary big enough to make enough people give up all those weekends in the spring/summer. Patti the Lantech '95 Virago 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 09:33:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PEXrO09013 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.144.a13a7b5 (30951) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:33:25 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <144.a13a7b5.29aba534@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:33:24 EST Subject: Re: Spring must be near... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_144.a13a7b5.29aba534_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_144.a13a7b5.29aba534_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes: > happy when he weaved his way through all of the cars, because when the > light > turned green, he did a wheelie for a half block down NY Ave to celebrate. > > Spring must be near!> Yes!!! Come on spring! :) Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 --part1_144.a13a7b5.29aba534_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes:

<The guy in the lead must have been really
happy when he weaved his way through all of the cars, because when the light
turned green, he did a wheelie for a half block down NY Ave to celebrate.

Spring must be near!>


   Yes!!!  Come on spring!  :)

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9 --part1_144.a13a7b5.29aba534_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 09:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PEZTO09091 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client102.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.102]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1PEZIj19272 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:35:18 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020225093416.021acdd0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:34:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: MCs in the news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed We need more events like this in DC : http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020224/ap_on_re_us/hellraiser_shooting_9 ...not.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 09:36:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PEaKO09101 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GS300601F857P@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:36:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GS3005DEF8556@XXXXXX>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:36:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GS300F01F84EL@XXXXXX>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:36:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GS300E3GF7QDS@XXXXXX>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:35:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:35:50 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Spring must be near... To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3C7A4BC6.70AC173D@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020225141342.37575.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > Spring must be near! Saw (or was it heard?) my first two loud-pipers out on their excessively chromed, too clean motorcycles yesterday. Probably the first time they've been started up since early October. Sigh. I'm gonna miss winter. :) Horkster -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 09:41:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PEfCO09180 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:41:12 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZV2dKVVexY+pqqkSQ461Zf8msgJWC5xyCkFkFFqnHgBlHWTg7BAr7D3JqjD7RmC3A= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16fMJT-0005hU-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:41:11 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: MCs in the news Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:39:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020225093416.021acdd0@mail.wheatintl.com> Note that: (1) No one did a stoppie or drove 95 (2) These were not shaft driven motorcycles (3) Only one gun, numerous knives and baseball bats (4) Many loud pipes were present, so only one death (5) Some of them most likely use synthetic oil --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:35 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: MCs in the news > > > We need more events like this in DC : > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020224/ap_on_r > e_us/hellraiser_shooting_9 > > ...not.... > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 09:47:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PEleO09403 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <15BMLSL7>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:47:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 495 speed Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:47:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I tend to drive at 19mph over the speed limit because of this, but the officer doesn't have to give you reckless, unless they've changed something, they can just give you speeding. I also won't go over 94mph now that I know the penalty for that. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron [mailto:jarvis22201@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:14 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 495 speed Just a friendly reminder: In Virginia, going 50 mph in a 30 mph zone, 60 in a 35, 60 in a 40, 75 in a 55, or over 80 anywhere (including 65 mph zones) is -- by itself -- considered "Reckless Driving," a class I criminal misdemeanor for which the possible penalties include up to one year in jail and a hefty fine. VA Gen'l Stats. section 46.2-862 At the very least, the charge is not a simple ticket, for which payment can be mailed in . . . it requires a court appearance (and thus probably a lawyer: $$$). VA takes speeding seriously. As for whether that's right or wrong , I'll let the list continue its flame-fest. I didn't enjoy my ticket (83 mph/65 mph zone), but I was going too fast, and knew it. Lesson learned: now I drive 79 mph or less (usually averaging 74-ish if conditions allow) in a 65. Aaron (not legal advice, consult an attorney licensed in your jurisdiction) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 09:48:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PEmiO09415 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <15BMLSL0>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:48:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: helmet droppings Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:48:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MSF instructors doesn't dropping your helmet basically make it worthless? -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:44 AM To: Fish Flowers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good beginner helmet? Helmets have a tendency to go a rolling, when you rest them on the bike.. If you happen to know you're a clumbsy type of person, or careless and know you'll drop the helmet or that it will fall on the ground, you might just want to get a helmet that has a good reputation but isn't top of the line. . Just for a temporary time period.. of getting used to caring for a helmet. I'd venture a lot of us here cannot count the times our helmet has slipped off the bike and gave us terror as we watch it roll... So what I am saying, you might want to buy that lower priced good helmet, and learn good handling skills of it, then after you're used to it, demote that helmet to your random passenger (and back up) helmet and buy yourself a helmet that you'll fall in love with. People tell you to buy a snug helmet, not only so that it stays on your head properly, but also becuase the padding inside will compact with normal use. if you don't buy it snug enough, it will compact so much that the helmet will become loose! and then you'd discover that you have the wrong size helmet. So remember make sure it's good and snug.. not ear killer painfully tight, but definitely, definitely, snug, because it will loosen up. Aside from that, Go to your local store, try on all the models and sizes.. note the size, and model. Then go on ebay and find a store that sells them brand new at close out prices. oh and sizes and models change the fit of a helmet. You may try on 2 helmets from teh same maker, and the same size, and wear a large in one, and medium in the other.... so dont' assume two shoei helmets will fit the same. Try on that particular model before you order it. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 10:06:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PF6qO09733 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-25.patriot.net [209.249.181.25]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1PF6o515007; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:06:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7A52A3.6436966A@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:05:07 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RichH@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet droppings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > MSF instructors doesn't dropping your helmet basically make it worthless? > Methinks that is a bit of overkill, but the shell can be negatively affected by a drop. Most shells are fibreglass/Kevler/carbonfibre reenforced resin construction. The chips from dropping are a no-call - the gel coat is for pretty not structural. If it dropped hard enough to crack the substrate then the helmet would be comprimised. I can't recall ever seeing a helmet dropped from seat hieght being damaged in a structural manner. But I will continue to voice the opinion of the MSF and urge folks to take care of the lid and secure it rather than subject it to drops and possible damage. Besides, bonking your lid off the pavement f---s up the pretty paint job sumpin awful! Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 10:09:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PF9SO09761 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.6a.1bb8ebc7 (4459) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:09:13 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6a.1bb8ebc7.29abad98@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:09:12 EST Subject: Re: helmet droppings To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/25/2002 9:50:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > MSF instructors doesn't dropping your helmet basically make it worthless? That is the official line, I think it originates with the helmet manufacturers and is due to the possibility of unseen damage to the shell. Just put your helmet on the ground, then it cannot fall. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 10:18:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PFIRO09950 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.27.235cd392 (4459) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:18:16 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <27.235cd392.29abafb7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:18:15 EST Subject: Re: helmet droppings To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/25/2002 10:08:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > I can't recall ever seeing a helmet dropped > from seat height being damaged in a structural manner. HOO HAW! Never saw one of the old polycarbonate lids did ya? When these first came out the salespeople used to demonstrate them by hurling them on the floor (I was there during one such demo.) They were damn near invulnerable. Unfortunately and unknown at the time once they were exposed to ultraviolet light they would get brittle. They would fall from seat height and _shatter_ like glass. I witnessed helmets shatter, and saw lots of them that had shattered. Scary! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 10:26:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1PFQiO10066 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 11597 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 07:26:16 -0800 Date: 25 Feb 2002 07:26:16 -0800 Message-ID: <20020225152616.11596.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 25 Feb 2002 15:26:16 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 25 Feb 2002 07:26:16 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RichH@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: helmet droppings X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Mon, 25 February 2002, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > MSF instructors doesn't dropping your helmet basically make it worthless? > Not necessarily. I have crashed in my helmet before and it is still fine. The basic recommendation is send it back to the manufacturer (which is typically free, you just pay shipping and handling) and have them inspect it. They will send you a letter saying whether it is good or not. Roach had a helmet that I thought was complete toast...we sent it back to Arai and it got a bill of clean health. Dropping or crashing in your helmet is not good, but don't take a chance with your noggin...send it back to the manufacturer. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 10:39:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PFdiO10319 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-109-52.s1830.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.109.52] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16fNE6-0003DW-00; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:39:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c1be13$7fcecd40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: helmet droppings Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:27:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 For this reason we like to see helmets on the ground, not on the seat, when not in use. When in doubt, through it out. (Or get it tested.) I'm sure your pillion/SO/spouse would appreciate not entrusting his or her life to a questionable helmet. I've never had a helmet "go rolling" BTW. Put it on the ground or use the helmet lock. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: > MSF instructors doesn't dropping your helmet basically make it worthless? > > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > > Helmets have a tendency to go a rolling, when you rest them on the > bike.. If you happen to know you're a clumbsy type of person, or > careless and know you'll drop the helmet or that it will fall on the > ground, you might just want to get a helmet that has a good reputation > but isn't top of the line. . Just for a temporary time period.. of > getting used to caring for a helmet. > > I'd venture a lot of us here cannot count the times our helmet has > slipped off the bike and gave us terror as we watch it roll... > > So what I am saying, you might want to buy that lower priced good > helmet, and learn good handling skills of it, then after you're used > to it, demote that helmet to your random passenger (and back up) > helmet and buy yourself a helmet that you'll fall in love with. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 10:44:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PFiEO10444 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GS300I01IDIOG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:44:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GS300HACIDIWE@XXXXXX>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:44:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GS300B01IDEV8@XXXXXX>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:44:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GS3006GSID8HN@XXXXXX>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:43:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:43:56 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: helmet droppings To: "William J. Huson" Cc: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C7A5BBC.29A2BB40@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3C7A52A3.6436966A@XXXXXX> "William J. Huson" wrote: > > RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > > MSF instructors doesn't dropping your helmet basically make it worthless? > > > > Methinks that is a bit of overkill, but the shell can be negatively affected > by a drop. Most shells are fibreglass/Kevler/carbonfibre reenforced resin > construction. The chips from dropping are a no-call - the gel coat is for > pretty not structural. Had to surrender the wife's old Shoei RF800 to the insurance company after a little get-off she had last year. Her head touched down on the pavement and the insurance co. agreed to compensate us for the helmet. Since it was going away anyhow, I took the opportunity to smack the hell out of it, swinging it hard by the chinstrap onto the corner of a concrete step on our front porch (neighbors must've thought I was a lunatic). Other than chipping the fancy paint, I don't think I hurt the shell. Even took a hammer to it for a couple of whacks. I came away much impressed with the integrity of the helmet. It was a whole lot tougher than I thought it would be. Other than the scuffed paint, I don't think a simple drop onto the pavement will hurt it much. Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 10:45:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PFjtO10522 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id KAA12601; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:42:30 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma011799; Mon, 25 Feb 02 10:41:59 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GS3001VOICLJL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:43:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:44:53 -0500 Subject: Re: helmet droppings To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.9 |November 16, 2001) at 02/25/2002 10:46:17 AM I spoke with an Arai rep at one of the MC shows and their statement was that a drop doesn't require replacement if the shell did not crack. The reason being that the foam inside would not crush from a drop, whereas if your head was in the helmet and took a blow, it would crush the foam and compromise the safety of the helmet. Also, they reiterated what Laura said below ... send it back free to have it checked out. --chris LAURA GRANATO on 02/25/2002 10:26:16 AM To: RichH@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet droppings On Mon, 25 February 2002, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > MSF instructors doesn't dropping your helmet basically make it worthless? > Not necessarily. I have crashed in my helmet before and it is still fine. The basic recommendation is send it back to the manufacturer (which is typically free, you just pay shipping and handling) and have them inspect it. They will send you a letter saying whether it is good or not. Roach had a helmet that I thought was complete toast...we sent it back to Arai and it got a bill of clean health. Dropping or crashing in your helmet is not good, but don't take a chance with your noggin...send it back to the manufacturer. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 10:47:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from athena.nswc.navy.mil (athena.nswc.navy.mil [198.91.70.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PFlpO10543 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (relay.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.41]) by athena.nswc.navy.mil (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1PFlol19131 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03841 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.20]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03835 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1TFQJK45; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:47:49 -0500 Received: from 128.38.204.28 by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:47:49 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Received: by nswcdlvaex01.nswc.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <193X5FMK>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:47:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: Gaske David G DLVA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: helmet droppings Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:47:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So is it better to crash while not in your helmet???? :) :) -- the above is purely a joke. No harm is intended. It is not meant to be taken seriously -- Dave -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:26 AM To: RichH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet droppings Dropping or crashing in your helmet is not good, but don't take a chance with your noggin...send it back to the manufacturer. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 10:49:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PFnpO10574 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GS300L01ILW2O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:49:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GS300JDHILWPN@XXXXXX>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:49:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GS300D01ILTPE@XXXXXX>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:49:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GS3007M5ILHWJ@XXXXXX>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:48:53 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:48:53 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: helmet droppings To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C7A5CE5.B7C11918@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <6a.1bb8ebc7.29abad98@aol.com> PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Just put your helmet on the ground, then it cannot fall. That's great until the fire ants find it... :) Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 11:29:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PGTNO11342 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.105.11ad228b (3861) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:29:08 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <105.11ad228b.29abc053@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:29:07 EST Subject: Re: helmet droppings To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 2/25/2002 10:49:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > That's great until the fire ants find it... :) Been there, done that. # :-( > John: Who started riding in FL where the little bastards are everywhere. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 11:40:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PGeYO11502 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.39.22f262be (3950) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:40:18 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39.22f262be.29abc2f2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:40:18 EST Subject: Re: helmet droppings To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_39.22f262be.29abc2f2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_39.22f262be.29abc2f2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit horkster@XXXXXX writes: > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Just put your helmet on the ground, then it cannot fall. > > That's great until the fire ants find it... :) Ouch!! Plus it might get dirty on the ground...LOL Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 --part1_39.22f262be.29abc2f2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit horkster@XXXXXX writes:

PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:

> Just put your helmet on the ground, then it cannot fall.

That's great until the fire ants find it... :)


  Ouch!!   Plus it might get dirty on the ground...LOL

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9

 --part1_39.22f262be.29abc2f2_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 11:48:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail01g.rapidsite.net (mail01g.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.232]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1PGmxO11673 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.hartzler.net (209.130.84.17) by mail01g.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.62s) with SMTP id 018859 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (zing.hartzler.home [127.0.0.1]) by zing.hartzler.home (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1PGDI901749 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:13:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:13:18 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: helmet droppings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 Better for the helmet, sure. I mean, have you seen those chrome lids they sell at the Harley shop? :-> On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Gaske David G DLVA wrote: > So is it better to crash while not in your helmet???? :) :) > > > -- the above is purely a joke. No harm is intended. It is not meant to be > taken seriously -- > Dave From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 12:19:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f14.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PHJZO12204 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:08:17 -0800 Received: from 63.75.33.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:08:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.75.33.2] From: "Pejman Taei" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FOR SALE: 1995 Honda CBR 600 F3 - $3500/obo Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:08:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2002 17:08:17.0899 (UTC) FILETIME=[04ED03B0:01C1BE1F] I am selling my '95 Honda CBR 600F3 if anyone is interested let me know. It has 15K, blue, purple and yellow, very good condition, I have all the service records. All stock, runs great, Selling for $3500/obo, I live in Gaithersburg, MD, feel free to email me for more details. Thanks, PJ. '00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 '95 Honda CBR 600F3 (for sale) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 13:03:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PI3jO13065 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-247.s1771.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.247] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16fPTU-0005Om-00; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:03:44 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Dale Horstman , SBave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: the beggining of hte gun thread Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:04:42 -0500 Message-ID: <2vuk7uoh2310snr17a0a6bkv8ugnijk5lt@4ax.com> References: <195.2ca3236.29aad482@aol.com> <3C79A491.7ADBF46B@comcast.net> <3C79A77F.960EE861@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3C79A77F.960EE861@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1PI41O13066 |>> What's wrong with loving guns? |> |>Guns are lousy in bed... Not if a woman is using one against a potential rapist.. Guns can't be too bad in bed, some people sleep with them under their pillow. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 13:03:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pcp748332pcs.manass01.va.comcast.net (pcp748332pcs.manass01.va.comcast.net [68.49.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PI3ZO13062 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23217 invoked by uid 48381); 25 Feb 2002 18:03:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:03:25 -0500 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: helmet droppings Message-ID: <20020225180325.GA23102@bittwiddlers.com> References: <3C7A52A3.6436966A@patriot.net> <3C7A5BBC.29A2BB40@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C7A5BBC.29A2BB40@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i From: "Matthew Harrell" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.47 (Python 2.1.2 on linux2) > Had to surrender the wife's old Shoei RF800 to the insurance company > after a little get-off she had last year. Her head touched down on > the pavement and the insurance co. agreed to compensate us for the > helmet. Since it was going away anyhow, I took the opportunity to > smack the hell out of it, swinging it hard by the chinstrap onto the > corner of a concrete step on our front porch (neighbors must've thought > I was a lunatic). Other than chipping the fancy paint, I don't think > I hurt the shell. Even took a hammer to it for a couple of whacks. > > I came away much impressed with the integrity of the helmet. It was > a whole lot tougher than I thought it would be. Other than the scuffed > paint, I don't think a simple drop onto the pavement will hurt it much. I had mine fall inside a closet from about head-height onto concrete. Being overly concerned about it's integrity I contact Shoei and they said they would check it out for free if I sent it back to them. I had pretty good shipping rates and a spare helmet so I grabbed a box from the local bike store and sent it to them. They said they did some kind of integrety test (X-ray I think) and that it was totally fine. -- Matthew Harrell I used to have a handle on life, Bit Twiddlers, Inc. then it broke. http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 13:16:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1PIGJO13355 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:16:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020225181618.45833.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.14] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:16:18 PST Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:16:18 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Anyone hear about this? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020224/ap_on_re_us/hellraiser_shooting_9 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 13:20:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PIKqO13491 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-247.s1771.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.247] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16fPk3-0000hn-00; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:20:52 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MCs in the news Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:21:50 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020225093416.021acdd0@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020225093416.021acdd0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1PIKrO13492 On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:34:48 -0500, you wrote: |>We need more events like this in DC : |> |>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020224/ap_on_re_us/hellraiser_shooting_9 |> |>...not.... Let's see if we can count the ways in which one person was a moron: 1> he was in a biker gang 2> he fueds with other biker gangs just because they are the same as him but of another name 3> his judgement allowed himself to bring an uzi 4> he decided to use that uzi 5> out of all those people he only manged to shoot 4 people and only managed to kill one of those. 6> he lost his uzi 7>he'll probably go to jail and why are the pagans going to an event sponsered by their rivals? That's like heterosapiens going to a KKK clan swap meet. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 13:26:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PIQpO13569 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.221.202]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1PIQoC25871113 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:26:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C7A827C.7F3A622B@boo.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:29:16 -0500 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Looking for an Italian connection Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am hoping to take a trip to Berlin in May. If I go I plan on renting a motorcycle and riding down to Milan and back. I will stay in Milan one night and somewhere in-between the second night on my way back. Does anybody know of a place I can stay? Is there any thing I must do, or someplace I must see? Thanks!! Jay From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 13:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PIRRO13642 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:27:27 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYenGZhKii6D2hiySyO1HJdFp3b3fF3TNfc1tRUv94bOCT6UgtreI8F3qquQdPU7Z8= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16fPqR-0001Rk-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:27:27 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: MCs in the news Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:26:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Pagans and Angels compete over business markets for product (crystal meth, etc). > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:22 PM > To: Troutman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: MCs in the news > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:34:48 -0500, you wrote: > |>We need more events like this in DC : > |> > |>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020224/ap_on > _re_us/hellraiser_shooting_9 > |> > |>...not.... > > Let's see if we can count the ways in which one person was a moron: > 1> he was in a biker gang > 2> he fueds with other biker gangs just because they are the same as > him but of another name > 3> his judgement allowed himself to bring an uzi > 4> he decided to use that uzi > 5> out of all those people he only manged to shoot 4 people and only > managed to kill one of those. > 6> he lost his uzi > 7>he'll probably go to jail > > and why are the pagans going to an event sponsered by their rivals? > That's like heterosapiens going to a KKK clan swap meet. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 13:47:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20108.mail.yahoo.com (web20108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1PIl1O14021 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:47:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020225184700.95160.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:47:00 PST Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:47:00 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: saw a FJ1200 for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In herndon, right off of Horseshoe drive (right off of rt 608 and RT 28) by my work. Blue and Silver. I'll go jot down the phone# and milage if anybody is interested. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 13:51:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PIp5O14109 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-247.s1771.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.247] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16fQDJ-0006tn-00; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:51:05 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: SBave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet droppings Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:52:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <39.22f262be.29abc2f2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <39.22f262be.29abc2f2@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1PIp6O14110 |>> That's great until the fire ants find it... :) |> |> Ouch!! Plus it might get dirty on the ground...LOL or it might get kicked... The lock is probably the best place for it.. also helps protects it against soemone just walking off with it. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 15:09:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PK9TO15371 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-108-84.s1608.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.108.84] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16fRR5-00057M-00; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:09:24 -0500 Message-ID: <007e01c1be39$2d15c7e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Lantech \(DCOP\)" , "'Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" References: <2344588A203AD311B79500902762698636013F@CWDEXCH0> Subject: Re: Recommendations for recruiting MSF instructors Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:14:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Patti- I think we need to figure out what problem we're trying to solve before we say "pay instructors more." Not that I would object to higher pay, mind you. Yet, I don't think that instructor pay is the source of the immediate problem in Virginia, which is that demand for classes far exceeds supply. The supply problem is caused by a lack of range facilities. A third No.Va. venue at Woodbridge will address this issue. I'll be teaching five times in a ten-month training schedule. I don't think that's a huge imposition on my time and there are many intangible rewards for teaching the classes. This applies to Virginia. I have no first-hand knowledge of the situation in Md. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: RE: Recommendations for recruiting MSF instructors > > > >>You keep forgetting a salient point. We're volunteers!! Except for the > very rare example, none of us are trying to make a living off of doing this. > > Even though a lot of instructors do this for personal, non-financial > reasons, I think it would be more attractive to potential instructors if > there was more money involved. Most of us are grown-ups with real > obligations, most of us work through the week and have the weekend to take > care of the house, balance the checkbook, etc, all the trappings of being a > grown-up and squeeze in a little or a lot of riding to boot. A larger > salary would make more people more likely to give up that precious weekend > time... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 15:40:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PKemO15857 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-90.patriot.net [209.249.181.90]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1PKek529566; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:40:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7AA0E5.87E0BBC4@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:39:01 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet droppings References: <27.235cd392.29abafb7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 2/25/2002 10:08:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > I can't recall ever seeing a helmet dropped > > from seat height being damaged in a structural manner. > > HOO HAW! Never saw one of the old polycarbonate lids did ya? When these first > came out the salespeople used to demonstrate them by hurling them on the > floor (I was there during one such demo.) They were damn near invulnerable. > Unfortunately and unknown at the time once they were exposed to ultraviolet > light they would get brittle. They would fall from seat height and _shatter_ > like glass. I witnessed helmets shatter, and saw lots of them that had > shattered. Scary! Yeah, I owned a few of those, until... A friend insisted on buying a Bell back in the days of the $10 head, buy a $10 helmet ads. He said his head was worth at least $15 and he wanted a Bell. Salesman sez, no way, Y`ALL WATCH THIS! (famous last words of many a redneck) He hammers the polycarb on the floor - KAZINGS - helmet piecy-parts all over the place. Salesman is sumbfounded - catching flies in his gaping maw. My friend sez, "That was cool, I'll take a Bell, please." Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 15:44:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PKidO15941 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-90.patriot.net [209.249.181.90]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1PKiX530871; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:44:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7AA1C9.B7E4BC07@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:42:49 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet droppings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > I spoke with an Arai rep at one of the MC shows and their statement was > that a drop doesn't require replacement if the shell did not crack. The > reason being that the foam inside would not crush from a drop, whereas if > your head was in the helmet and took a blow, it would crush the foam and > compromise the safety of the helmet. I dearly hope he/she Arai rep meant GEL coat cracks, not the shell which IS a designed component of the energy absorbtion. The laminate gives way under impact to a bsorb/dissapate impact. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 15:49:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1PKnZO16029 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-90.patriot.net [209.249.181.90]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1PKnX532587; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:49:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7AA2F5.A6DB6822@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:47:49 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet droppings References: <3C7A52A3.6436966A@XXXXXX> <3C7A5BBC.29A2BB40@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > > RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > MSF instructors doesn't dropping your helmet basically make it worthless? > > > > > > > Methinks that is a bit of overkill, but the shell can be negatively affected > > by a drop. Most shells are fibreglass/Kevler/carbonfibre reenforced resin > > construction. The chips from dropping are a no-call - the gel coat is for > > pretty not structural. > > Had to surrender the wife's old Shoei RF800 to the insurance company > after a little get-off she had last year. Her head touched down on > the pavement and the insurance co. agreed to compensate us for the > helmet. Since it was going away anyhow, I took the opportunity to > smack the hell out of it, swinging it hard by the chinstrap onto the > corner of a concrete step on our front porch (neighbors must've thought > I was a lunatic). Other than chipping the fancy paint, I don't think > I hurt the shell. Even took a hammer to it for a couple of whacks. > > I came away much impressed with the integrity of the helmet. It was > a whole lot tougher than I thought it would be. Other than the scuffed > paint, I don't think a simple drop onto the pavement will hurt it much. > I still have the 3/4 Shoei that saved my noggin in a crash. I *heard* the laminate cracking when my head touched down first - a true header, so to speak. The geezers insurance company wanted it and told them to kiss off and cough up. They did. Makes a good show-and-tell for those who think wearing a lid is silly. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 19:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1Q06ZO18998 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-64.157.50.35.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([64.157.50.35] helo=michael) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16fV8N-0000pC-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:06:19 -0800 Message-ID: <002601c1be59$6b18aab0$66defea9@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <3C7A827C.7F3A622B@boo.net> Subject: Re: Looking for an Italian connection Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:06:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > or someplace I must see? The Alps As much of them as possible Stay for a few weeks or so Michael From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 20:07:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1Q17KO19925 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12643 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:07:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020225201629.00683d24@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:16:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Good price for used bike? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A friend of mine wants to sell his '82 V45 Magna. It's got around 25k miles on it and has current tags on it. The only problem with it is the cooling fan recently decided it didn't want to turn on anymore :-) Another friend is thinking of buying it. Is $500 a reasonable price? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 20:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web9607.mail.yahoo.com (web9607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.186]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1Q1aiO20402 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:36:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020226013643.16982.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [134.173.160.30] by web9607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:36:43 PST Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:36:43 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Yoshimura Exhaust Question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I recently acquired a used Yoshimura slip-on under the guise that it would fit my bike. However, after trying to install it on my 89 CBR 600F, it is obvious that it doesn't fit. The pipe is too small for my stock header, and the curve of the slip-on does not allow it to be bolted onto my bike. Is there any way to figure out what bike the pipe fits? This way I could sell it on E-bay. I looked for a serial number but couldn't find it. Ideas? Thanks Adam Reinhardt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 20:54:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1Q1s8O20669 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (08-135.068.popsite.net [64.24.91.135]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 857AA1C75AA; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:53:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000f01c1be68$aefa4cc0$875b1840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: "William J. Huson" , , , Subject: Re: the beggining of hte gun thread Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:55:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 |>> What's wrong with loving guns? |> |>Guns are lousy in bed... Not if a woman is using one against a potential rapist.. Guns can't be too bad in bed, some people sleep with them under their pillow. I'm in that club. Well, under the mattress, actually. The pillow is too close, a little dangerous. The mattress is just as accessible, and safer as far as I can tell. Ideally, it'd be in a locked cabinet bolted to the underside of the bed, with one of those cool combination key pads. But combos are hard to remember when you're fumbling in the dark to go out and scare off the raccoons on the porch, which has been the most significant event in my "home invasion escapades" (knock on wood). MMC: I'd like to find some type of employment centered around the 2-wheeled world beginning around the 1st of April. Seems I'm either gonna remove myself or be removed from my current position (a mutual decision, I'm not a psycho or anything). Any ideas out there where to look or who to contact? Ping me off list if you please. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (For Sale for funds) "Counting the days to Daytona coverage on Speed Channel..." From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 21:37:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11508.mail.yahoo.com (web11508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1Q2brO21317 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:37:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020226023752.96738.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.14] by web11508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:37:52 PST Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:37:52 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Good price for used bike? To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020225201629.00683d24@noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd say that's a damn good price. Glenn --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > A friend of mine wants to sell his '82 V45 Magna. > It's got around 25k > miles on it and has current tags on it. The only > problem with it is the > cooling fan recently decided it didn't want to turn > on anymore :-) > > Another friend is thinking of buying it. Is $500 a > reasonable price? > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 22:01:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1Q31CO21691 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1Q2vbo89500; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:57:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020225210819.00afca10@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:59:14 -0500 To: Jay Goddard From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Looking for an Italian connection Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <3C7A827C.7F3A622B@boo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:29 PM 2/25/2002, Jay Goddard wrote: >I am hoping to take a trip to Berlin in May. If I go I plan on renting >a motorcycle and riding down to Milan and back. I will stay in Milan >one night and somewhere in-between the second night on my way back. >Does anybody know of a place I can stay? Is there any thing I must do, >or someplace I must see? We did this on Harleys, but we had three weeks! I think we lost a little time on the lower Riviera, but I digress. Allow more time if you can; you want to take the good roads. Go south on the east side through Bavaria, the Austrian Alps, and the Brenner Pass. Get off the Autobahn and take the two-lane roads, down through the Dolomites into Italy. The highways are too straight. We were blessed with an emergency freeway closing before we had a clue, and were dumped onto a rocking twisty two-laner. Never looked back. Come back north on the west side past Lake Como, through the Splugen Pass, through Switzerland and Liechtenstein. The Italian part is completely chaotic: rain in the tunnels, and goats keeping out of the sun. Then you cross over some amazing high country above the treeline. Then the Swiss side is amazingly organized. There's even a beer hall full of bikers at the bottom! What more could you ask for? If you do this first, you may want to trash the agenda and just do this a couple of times a day until you run out of time or money; fair warning. I might be able to scan in some photos. Here are some photos, courtesy of other people: Italian side of Splugen Pass: Swiss side of Splugen Pass: It will take a few seconds of looking at the fourth and fifth photos on that second page to process what you are looking at. Those are Splugen Pass switchbacks on the Swiss side. I took a loaded Electra Glide down that road! >8-O Milano is very urban. We avoided large cities for the most part. Bergamo is pretty, especially Bergamo Alta, the historic upper city. Lake Garda is very nice. Lake Como is a little trashier; campgrounds and weekend warriors. /// Rob P.S. The local sport bikers that know the road will absolutely freak you out. We decoded one sign that said not to ride any faster than your angel; good advice. So be safe. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 22:15:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlantech.net (staq1.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1Q3FnO21915 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:15:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.190.254.30] (account ) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.4.8) with HTTP id 15376781; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:15:44 -0500 From: "Stephen Dobson" Subject: RE: speaking of 4 stroke dirt bikes... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jmstrang@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:15:44 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202260000.g1Q002p18823@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The DRZ-400 in question belongs to one Jim Williams. Not a lister as far as I know, but he is a racer for the Army Of Darkness whom some of you may know. He works around Georgetown somewhere so the bike's down there occasionally if the weather's nice enough. I like to park my dented, and tattooed '85 XL600R beside it to make his look even better. :-) One day, I even noticed that a "hair dresser" with a particularly masculine name had even left his card on the tank. Jim sure is one stylin' guy. He likes to remain anonymous though, so don't tell a soul... Stephen > "Jon Strang" WROTE > > I saw a schweet looking Suzuki DRZ-400 in Georgetown > Friday night; it was > turned into a super-motard. Lister? > > --jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 25 22:51:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1Q3pPO22458 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-44.s44.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.44] helo=dtscomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16fYeC-00064b-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:51:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c1be78$bdad78e0$2c6aaccf@dtscomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: test Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:50:31 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Danny '98 VTR (For Sale) '01 Shadow Tourer (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) '02 XR250R. www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/02 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 08:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QDRvO01382 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id IAA09475; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:24:31 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma009102; Tue, 26 Feb 02 08:24:18 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GS500MCD6N33A@XXXXXX>; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:25:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:28:30 -0500 Subject: Re: helmet droppings To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.9 |November 16, 2001) at 02/26/2002 08:27:31 AM Yeah, probably ... I used shell as a generic term. Didn't mean to confuse. --chris "William J. Huson" on 02/25/2002 03:42:49 PM To: Christopher Meier/US/ABAS/PwC@AMERICAS-US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet droppings christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > I spoke with an Arai rep at one of the MC shows and their statement was > that a drop doesn't require replacement if the shell did not crack. The > reason being that the foam inside would not crush from a drop, whereas if > your head was in the helmet and took a blow, it would crush the foam and > compromise the safety of the helmet. I dearly hope he/she Arai rep meant GEL coat cracks, not the shell which IS a designed component of the energy absorbtion. The laminate gives way under impact to a bsorb/dissapate impact. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 09:10:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11101.mail.yahoo.com (web11101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1QEA6O02161 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:10:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020226141005.34728.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:10:05 PST Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone have any good ones? The best I've heard are PoserRide and PowerRape. (For new listers or the uninitiated, PowerRide Motorsports - formerly Coleman Powersports) has a well-earned reputation for chicanery, obfuscation, fraudulency and other fancy words like them there.) Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 09:50:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1QEoYO02965 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:50:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020226145032.98406.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:50:32 PST Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020226141005.34728.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about "the company that finally returned my money after I got the Better Business Bureau involved." --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Does anyone have any good ones? The best I've heard > are PoserRide and PowerRape. (For new listers or the > uninitiated, PowerRide Motorsports - formerly > Coleman > Powersports) has a well-earned reputation for > chicanery, obfuscation, fraudulency and other fancy > words like them there.) > > Chris Weaver > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 10:31:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QFVTO03716 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from 311homebase ([24.163.97.64]) by mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:31:19 -0500 Message-ID: <012b01c1beda$a49523f0$6601a8c0@311homebase> From: "DC Anderson III" To: "stephen cutchins" , "DC Cycles" References: <20020226145032.98406.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:31:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 FYI...I believe they changed back to Coleman PowerSports about at least a month ago. Hopefully their shitty customer service will change now. Daniel Anderson III 2000 YZF-R6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen cutchins" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2002 09:50 Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? > How about "the company that finally returned my money > after I got the Better Business Bureau involved." > > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > Does anyone have any good ones? The best I've heard > > are PoserRide and PowerRape. (For new listers or the > > uninitiated, PowerRide Motorsports - formerly > > Coleman > > Powersports) has a well-earned reputation for > > chicanery, obfuscation, fraudulency and other fancy > > words like them there.) > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 10:38:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from athena.nswc.navy.mil (athena.nswc.navy.mil [198.91.70.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QFcfO03845 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (relay.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.41]) by athena.nswc.navy.mil (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1QFcel08281 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:38:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23249 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.20]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23242 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1TFQMCV3; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:38:38 -0500 Received: from 128.38.204.28 by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:38:38 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Received: by nswcdlvaex01.nswc.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <193X57V1>; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:38:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: Gaske David G DLVA To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:38:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" But will it just change back to what it was before Poserride? Poserride sucked, no doubt, but Coleman wasn't much better. While it seems the customer will always go there, hopefully the manufactures will get a clue and take their lines' elsewhere. -----Original Message----- From: DC Anderson III [mailto:dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:31 AM To: stephen cutchins; DC Cycles Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? FYI...I believe they changed back to Coleman PowerSports about at least a month ago. Hopefully their shitty customer service will change now. Daniel Anderson III 2000 YZF-R6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen cutchins" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2002 09:50 Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? > How about "the company that finally returned my money > after I got the Better Business Bureau involved." > > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > Does anyone have any good ones? The best I've heard > > are PoserRide and PowerRape. (For new listers or the > > uninitiated, PowerRide Motorsports - formerly > > Coleman > > Powersports) has a well-earned reputation for > > chicanery, obfuscation, fraudulency and other fancy > > words like them there.) > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 13:15:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20104.mail.yahoo.com (web20104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1QIFiO06891 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:15:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020226181543.2401.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:15:43 PST Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:15:43 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: pulling a dent with magnets, bad coils? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a small dent in my gas tank and I think it could be pulled out with one of those super-strong, yet small (often round) magnets with a eye-loop attached to it. Does anybody have one I can borrow? Or where I should look? (I'll stop by a bodyshop or two, too) I'm in the process of resurrecting my heavily crashed triumph and the tach (with engine off but power on) reads 7k RPM. Do things like coils break or short if subjected to a really hard shock? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 13:24:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QIOJO07048 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client102.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.102]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1QIODj25844 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:24:13 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226132209.02282ea8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:24:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: pulling a dent with magnets, bad coils? In-Reply-To: <20020226181543.2401.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed 'Dentless Repair' guys use a small piece of shaped dry ice to pop door dings and small dents out. Give it a shot. I have a suction cup I bought for pulling raised floors - but it was advertised to pull dents out of doors. You are welcome to use that, but it is probably too big to help. At 01:15 PM 2/26/2002, matthew patton wrote: >I have a small dent in my gas tank and I think it could be pulled out >with one of those super-strong, yet small (often round) magnets with a >eye-loop attached to it. Does anybody have one I can borrow? Or where I >should look? (I'll stop by a bodyshop or two, too) > >I'm in the process of resurrecting my heavily crashed triumph and the >tach (with engine off but power on) reads 7k RPM. Do things like coils >break or short if subjected to a really hard shock? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games >http://sports.yahoo.com ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 13:33:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13806.mail.yahoo.com (web13806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1QIXUO07274 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:33:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020226183329.87180.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:33:29 PST Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:33:29 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: pulling a dent with magnets, bad coils? To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226132209.02282ea8@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What does the dry ice do?? Mark --- Troutman wrote: > 'Dentless Repair' guys use a small piece of shaped > dry ice to pop door > dings and small dents out. Give it a shot. I have > a suction cup I bought > for pulling raised floors - but it was advertised to > pull dents out of > doors. You are welcome to use that, but it is > probably too big to help. > > At 01:15 PM 2/26/2002, matthew patton wrote: > >I have a small dent in my gas tank and I think it > could be pulled out > >with one of those super-strong, yet small (often > round) magnets with a > >eye-loop attached to it. Does anybody have one I > can borrow? Or where I > >should look? (I'll stop by a bodyshop or two, too) > > > >I'm in the process of resurrecting my heavily > crashed triumph and the > >tach (with engine off but power on) reads 7k RPM. > Do things like coils > >break or short if subjected to a really hard shock? > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > >http://sports.yahoo.com > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 13:38:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from FW2.dt.navy.mil (FW2.dt.navy.mil [192.5.27.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QIcaO07398 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by FW2.dt.navy.mil; id NAA12912; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:43:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(130.46.225.16) by FW2.dt.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xma012463; Tue, 26 Feb 02 13:42:21 -0500 Received: from NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (navgate.dt.navy.mil [130.46.225.15]) by smtprelay.dt.navy.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07881 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:37:44 -0500 Received: (from silbergejw2k [130.46.162.39]) by NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (NAVGW 2.5.1.16) with SMTP id M2002022613374330610 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:37:43 -0500 Message-ID: <04bd01c1bef4$ad256010$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" From: "Eric Silberg" To: References: <20020226183329.87180.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: pulling a dent with magnets, bad coils? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:37:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > What does the dry ice do?? Generally, it makes things colder.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 13:51:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QIp6O07775 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:51:06 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbXj9qZz4uJzWGDtgZYZPUw2U4rdp6o6m+HpwUwUhTd5hgWx5gXzPVfuKKmOZ5RTK8= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16fmgr-0002jp-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:51:05 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: pulling a dent with magnets, bad coils? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:49:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020226183329.87180.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal I've used the same technique with regular ice...on a really hot summer day in Arizona. As long as the dent is small and not "creased"...leave the tank in the hot sun, then rub ice on the ding. It'll pull it out. What happens is that the metal at the dent-site cools and contracts, pulling it back in line with the still hot and expanded metal around it. It's like pulling on the ends of a loose string to bring it taut (and in line). Dry ice would prolly work without the help of the desert sun. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:33 PM > To: Troutman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: pulling a dent with magnets, bad coils? > > > What does the dry ice do?? > > Mark > > --- Troutman wrote: > > 'Dentless Repair' guys use a small piece of shaped > > dry ice to pop door > > dings and small dents out. Give it a shot. I have > > a suction cup I bought > > for pulling raised floors - but it was advertised to > > pull dents out of > > doors. You are welcome to use that, but it is > > probably too big to help. > > > > At 01:15 PM 2/26/2002, matthew patton wrote: > > >I have a small dent in my gas tank and I think it > > could be pulled out > > >with one of those super-strong, yet small (often > > round) magnets with a > > >eye-loop attached to it. Does anybody have one I > > can borrow? Or where I > > >should look? (I'll stop by a bodyshop or two, too) > > > > > >I'm in the process of resurrecting my heavily > > crashed triumph and the > > >tach (with engine off but power on) reads 7k RPM. > > Do things like coils > > >break or short if subjected to a really hard shock? > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > >http://sports.yahoo.com > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 14:03:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QJ3cO07994 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client102.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.102]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1QJ3Wj26093 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:03:32 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226140208.021b4198@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:03:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: pulling a dent with magnets, bad coils? In-Reply-To: <20020226183329.87180.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226132209.02282ea8@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:33 PM 2/26/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >What does the dry ice do?? The idea is that is super-cools the metal causing it to contract. The dent then pops out. You can shape the ice with a knife, helping to get into tight little dents. I have seen it used, but not done it myself. HTH. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 14:11:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f109.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QJBQO08108 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:59:26 -0800 Received: from 63.75.33.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:59:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.75.33.2] From: "Pejman Taei" To: GaskeDG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:59:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2002 18:59:26.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[B61ABE10:01C1BEF7] I definitly agree, there customer service, and sales suck, they have attitudes, but I have to say; I took my bike to service there and they did a very good job, the mechanics name was Pete, I think they got rid of some of the bad apples there. >From: Gaske David G DLVA >To: DC Cycles >Subject: RE: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:38:38 -0500 > >But will it just change back to what it was before Poserride? Poserride >sucked, no doubt, but Coleman wasn't much better. While it seems the >customer will always go there, hopefully the manufactures will get a clue >and take their lines' elsewhere. > >-----Original Message----- >From: DC Anderson III [mailto:dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:31 AM >To: stephen cutchins; DC Cycles >Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? > > >FYI...I believe they changed back to Coleman PowerSports about at least a >month ago. Hopefully their shitty customer service will change now. > >Daniel Anderson III >2000 YZF-R6 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "stephen cutchins" >To: "DC Cycles" >Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2002 09:50 >Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? > > > > How about "the company that finally returned my money > > after I got the Better Business Bureau involved." > > > > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > > Does anyone have any good ones? The best I've heard > > > are PoserRide and PowerRape. (For new listers or the > > > uninitiated, PowerRide Motorsports - formerly > > > Coleman > > > Powersports) has a well-earned reputation for > > > chicanery, obfuscation, fraudulency and other fancy > > > words like them there.) > > > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > http://sports.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 14:38:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QJcfO08646 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GS500H01NVO0H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:38:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GS500FG4NVN1T@XXXXXX>; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:38:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GS500A01NV138@XXXXXX>; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:38:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GS5007NFNUX5A@XXXXXX>; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:37:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:37:43 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? To: Gaske David G DLVA Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3C7BE407.FB45573D@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Gaske David G DLVA wrote: > > But will it just change back to what it was before Poserride? Poserride > sucked, no doubt, but Coleman wasn't much better. While it seems the > customer will always go there, hopefully the manufactures will get a clue > and take their lines' elsewhere. Honda and Kawasaki have done just that. The NEW dealer in Woodbridge is the Motorcycle Factory, Inc. 3820 Prince William Parkway. It's a nice shop, but a tricky location to find. Horkster -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 15:04:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QK4nO09108 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs724762 ([63.220.27.131]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay6 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GS5P3Q00.PVG for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:04:38 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c1bf00$d3314010$1700a8c0@cs724762> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles List" Subject: 2002 Summit Point Schedule Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:04:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 It's up people. Mark your calendars! http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/SCHEDSP.HTM Too bad it all ends in September this year! From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 15:17:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QKHdO09345 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g1QKKZQ21226 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:20:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:17:28 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:01:55 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: RE: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1QKHkO09346 I think for the most part, all retail outfits in this metro area suck. Whether is computers, appliances, cars or motorcycles. They don't pay well hence poorly trained bad attitude employees. I would think even a highly trained certified MC mechanic does not command a good salary compared to an average network engineer. Coleman/powerride must move products and that's probably more important than customer service in the manufacturers eyes. If they only knew how much bad press they have received from this list George Cole 01 FZ1 >>> "Pejman Taei" 02/26/02 01:59PM >>> I definitly agree, there customer service, and sales suck, they have attitudes, but I have to say; I took my bike to service there and they did a very good job, the mechanics name was Pete, I think they got rid of some of the bad apples there. >From: Gaske David G DLVA >To: DC Cycles >Subject: RE: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:38:38 -0500 > >But will it just change back to what it was before Poserride? Poserride >sucked, no doubt, but Coleman wasn't much better. While it seems the >customer will always go there, hopefully the manufactures will get a clue >and take their lines' elsewhere. > >-----Original Message----- >From: DC Anderson III [mailto:dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:31 AM >To: stephen cutchins; DC Cycles >Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? > > >FYI...I believe they changed back to Coleman PowerSports about at least a >month ago. Hopefully their shitty customer service will change now. > >Daniel Anderson III >2000 YZF-R6 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "stephen cutchins" >To: "DC Cycles" >Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2002 09:50 >Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? > > > > How about "the company that finally returned my money > > after I got the Better Business Bureau involved." > > > > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > > Does anyone have any good ones? The best I've heard > > > are PoserRide and PowerRape. (For new listers or the > > > uninitiated, PowerRide Motorsports - formerly > > > Coleman > > > Powersports) has a well-earned reputation for > > > chicanery, obfuscation, fraudulency and other fancy > > > words like them there.) > > > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > http://sports.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 15:52:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QKqRO09922 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:55:48 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B367@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'bmckeithen@XXXXXX'" , "'MSF-MD-Philip Sause'" , "'MSF:MDakrajewsk'" Subject: MSF instructors Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:55:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Bob McKeithen observed, "Over here in West-by-God we have similar problems. In addition, for the really dedicated instructors ,there is the burn -out factor. A buddy of mine did twenty couple classes last year and says that this year he his going to do only a few. Bill is correct after several hours on the range in July you are whipped. We have given a brief look at the private instruction route, but without State support it would simply be too expensive." and concluded, "The only real solution would be for the states to step up and make the program a full time professional set up with dedicated ranges etc. I just don't see that happening." That is (or was) Maryland's strategy. MSF instructors were to contract with the State for at least two sessions a month. That certainly stopped me from attempting to become a MSF instructor. I don't know if that policy is still in effect. So, I've cc'ed two Maryland DOT driving training representatives for comment. Because they're likely not subscribed to the newslist, their answers might bounce. But, I'll forward anything they send my way. Bob then baited with, "Just look at the totally bogus system we use to teach youngsters to drive cages." Uh oh, that's a sore spot with me. Paid good money for one daughter and one niece to take driver's training a year apart. They said most of the classroom time was spent watching "Speed" or afternoon soaps. Unlike the other daughter, another niece, and nephew who took drivers training in school (yes, at 61, I am an olde phart) the last two needed additional training. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 16:02:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QL2iO10097 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g1QL2cX20378; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:02:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:02:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200202262102.g1QL2cX20378@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman George laments - I think for the most part, all retail outfits in this metro area suck. Whether is computers, appliances, cars or motorcycles. They don't pay well hence poorly trained bad attitude employees. It's not just that they don't pay well, their not selective enough in their hiring. If their hiring managers picked supervisors that could motivate the staff, and if they actually allowed some room for advancement, maybe there would be better customer service. Of course, then we'd be sacked with higher costs, so it's a double edged sword. I would think even a highly trained certified MC mechanic does not command a good salary compared to an average network engineer. maybe... but how much is the average motorcycling public willing to pay for a tune up or tire change ? not a whole heckuva lot. OTOH, I'm willing to pay the extra money to have quality work done by someone (with more knowledge than me) qualified to do high performance work... As long as it's good work. Fast Lane has done excellent work for me over the years. Coleman/powerride must move products and that's probably more important than customer service in the manufacturers eyes. If they only knew how much bad press they have received from this list Really, this topic should go up on an FAQ section of the DCC website, since it comes up about every 6 - 8 months, and we're always rehashing the same material (although I thought the powerrape comment was pretty amusing... harsh, but amusing)... For a while, I devoted an entire page to the 'Talking Monkeys' at Springfield Manglesports, spammed it to as many email lists, web sites & the like that Mustang owners frequented... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 16:04:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f71.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QL4TO10117 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:52:41 -0800 Received: from 64.241.204.165 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:52:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.241.204.165] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:52:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2002 20:52:41.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[87FE70C0:01C1BF07] Interesting you should say that. Back when ownership changed hands and I had a HUGE problem with the service dept. in Woodbridge (I won't mention that the asshole's names are Bill and Marty) I started complaining up the ladder until I found a man named Harry Parsons who call me from his cell phone and we spoke for 2 hours on how they could improve customer service. And that, he said, was the #1 goal. I told him I would no longer use Woodbrige and I took my ZX9R to Falls Church (where even their people admit to the sucky service in Woodbridge). Falls Church discovered that they wired my alarm system wrong even tho "Marty" INSISTED that there must be a problem with the bike or the operator. Then they discovered that my BT56SS rear tire that was mounted in Woodbridge a few months prior, had been put on backwards! Harry seemed helpful until I got to Falls Church (where he was) and he seemed way to busy for me and just told the mechanic to fix it and get me out of there. I suggested he join and lurk on the list and see that it's not just me. I know he was on for a while but I'm sure he's not any longer. It's amazing to me that I told Paul (GM at Woodbridge or something, a genuine good guy) that it only took 2 in the service dept. to chase away a 15 year customer (4 new bikes, 1 used, 1 complete engine rebuild and thousands in gear and accessories). He agreed that Bill and Marty were "abrasive" and that help was hard to find and they had to settle for them. "It's too bad" I said upon exiting Paul's office "I'll not set foot in this store until they are both gone." He understood my position and was sad to see me go. So far I have nothing but good things to say about "Motorcycle Factory". Them boys seem to appreciate my business. Rant mode off Razz 99 ZX9R 89 LTD454 86 LTD454 > >I think for the most part, all retail outfits in this metro area suck. >Whether is computers, appliances, cars or motorcycles. They don't pay well >hence poorly trained bad attitude employees. > >I would think even a highly trained certified MC mechanic does not command >a good salary compared to an average network engineer. > >Coleman/powerride must move products and that's probably more important >than customer service in the manufacturers eyes. If they only knew how much >bad press they have received from this list > >George Cole >01 FZ1 > > > > > >>> "Pejman Taei" 02/26/02 01:59PM >>> >I definitly agree, there customer service, and sales suck, they have >attitudes, but I have to say; I took my bike to service there and they did >a >very good job, the mechanics name was Pete, I think they got rid of some of >the bad apples there. > > > >From: Gaske David G DLVA > >To: DC Cycles > >Subject: RE: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? > >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:38:38 -0500 > > > >But will it just change back to what it was before Poserride? Poserride > >sucked, no doubt, but Coleman wasn't much better. While it seems the > >customer will always go there, hopefully the manufactures will get a clue > >and take their lines' elsewhere. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: DC Anderson III [mailto:dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:31 AM > >To: stephen cutchins; DC Cycles > >Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? > > > > > >FYI...I believe they changed back to Coleman PowerSports about at least a > >month ago. Hopefully their shitty customer service will change now. > > > >Daniel Anderson III > >2000 YZF-R6 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "stephen cutchins" > >To: "DC Cycles" > >Sent: Tuesday, 26 February, 2002 09:50 > >Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? > > > > > > > How about "the company that finally returned my money > > > after I got the Better Business Bureau involved." > > > > > > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > > > Does anyone have any good ones? The best I've heard > > > > are PoserRide and PowerRape. (For new listers or the > > > > uninitiated, PowerRide Motorsports - formerly > > > > Coleman > > > > Powersports) has a well-earned reputation for > > > > chicanery, obfuscation, fraudulency and other fancy > > > > words like them there.) > > > > > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 16:24:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h012.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1QLODO10447 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 17480 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 13:24:05 -0800 Date: 26 Feb 2002 13:24:05 -0800 Message-ID: <20020226212405.17479.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 26 Feb 2002 21:24:05 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 26 Feb 2002 13:24:04 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: fj1100@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: 2002 Summit Point Schedule X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Tue, 26 February 2002, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > > It's up people. Mark your calendars! > > http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/SCHEDSP.HTM > > Too bad it all ends in September this year! Brian and I will be running the CCS events, and maybe some WERA events at summit, so you all had better get your buns out for some support. ;-) You should also plan a drive for a CCS VIR event if you haven't been to that track...it's well worth it! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 17:10:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1QM9xO11131 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.17b.4374048 (5715); Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID48-0226170943; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:09:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:09:43 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <17b.4374048.29ad61a7@aol.com> Actually, I think it's back to Coleman Powersports. I was there a couple weekends ago trying on helmets and that's what the sign out front and my receipt said. The Coleman family bought it back a little while ago. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 26 Feb 2002 9:11:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, Chris Weaver writes: > Does anyone have any good ones? The best I've heard > are PoserRide and PowerRape. (For new listers or the > uninitiated, PowerRide Motorsports - formerly Coleman > Powersports) has a well-earned reputation for > chicanery, obfuscation, fraudulency and other fancy > words like them there.) > > Chris Weaver > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 17:41:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1QMfEO11583 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3022 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 22:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dcpiii1000) (64.3.32.57) by motorcyclegearreview.com (63.151.113.84) with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 22:41:34 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c1bf16$b0ed6c20$39200340@blairdubilier.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: "Gary Foreman" , "DC-Cycles List" References: <002701c1bf00$d3314010$1700a8c0@cs724762> Subject: Re: 2002 Summit Point Schedule Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:41:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/SCHEDSP.HTM Looks like they now charge sensible adminsions fees, at least for the spectators: CCS and WERA Motorcycle Races $25.00 at the gate, $23.00 in advance ~ 6 pm Friday until 10 pm Saturday $15.00 at the gate, $13.00 in advance ~ 10 pm Saturday until 3 pm Sunday From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 19:40:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web9601.mail.yahoo.com (web9601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.180]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1R0emO13499 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:40:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020227004047.47998.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [134.173.160.30] by web9601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:40:47 PST Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:40:47 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: RE: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know Harry Parsons, who had been GM at the Falls Church location quit last July. While working at Powerride over the summer, I saw a bunch of people leave, mostly over pay dispute problems. I hope the return to Coleman ownership will ensure that the employees there are not shorted on overtime. This would definitely help morale and in so doing improve customer relations. Relatively low pay leads to high rates of turnover which is not conducive to quality customer service. Adam Reinhardt --- Razz Man wrote: .... I started complaining up the ladder until I > found a man named Harry > Parsons who call me from his cell phone and we spoke > for 2 hours on how they > could improve customer service. And that, he said, > was the #1 goal. I told > him I would no longer use Woodbrige and I took my > ZX9R to Falls Church > (where even their people admit to the sucky service > in Woodbridge). Falls > Church discovered that they wired my alarm system > wrong even tho "Marty" > INSISTED that there must be a problem with the bike > or the operator. Then > they discovered that my BT56SS rear tire that was > mounted in Woodbridge a > few months prior, had been put on backwards! > Harry seemed helpful until I got to Falls Church > (where he was) and he > seemed way to busy for me and just told the mechanic > to fix it and get me > out of there. I suggested he join and lurk on the > list and see that it's not > just me. I know he was on for a while but I'm sure > he's not any longer. > It's amazing to me that I told Paul (GM at > Woodbridge or something, a > genuine good guy) that it only took 2 in the service > dept. to chase away a > 15 year customer (4 new bikes, 1 used, 1 complete > engine rebuild and > thousands in gear and accessories). He agreed that > Bill and Marty were > "abrasive" and that help was hard to find and they > had to settle for them. > "It's too bad" I said upon exiting Paul's office > "I'll not set foot in this > store until they are both gone." He understood my > position and was sad to > see me go. > So far I have nothing but good things to say about > "Motorcycle Factory". > Them boys seem to appreciate my business. > > Rant mode off > > Razz > > 99 ZX9R > 89 LTD454 > 86 LTD454 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 20:31:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20109.mail.yahoo.com (web20109.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1R1VLO14330 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:31:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020227013120.20455.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:31:20 PST Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:31:20 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: quack, quack To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wow, our first thunderstorm of the year! Nothing like re-evaluating manufacturer's claims as to 'water-proofness' in 30 minutes of hard, driving rain. Such weather can only be properly enjoyed on an unfaired bike. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 21:03:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1R23IO14830 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from fredg7yxzzfv8e ([68.48.144.3]) by mtaout3.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GS600KQU3Z9CR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:25:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:27:23 -0500 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: What? To: rob@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal rob@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:59:14 -0500 To: Jay Goddard From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Looking for an Italian connection Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" At 01:29 PM 2/25/2002, Jay Goddard wrote: >I am hoping to take a trip to Berlin in May. If I go I plan on renting >a motorcycle and riding down to Milan and back. I will stay in Milan >one night and somewhere in-between the second night on my way back. >Does anybody know of a place I can stay? Is there any thing I must do, >or someplace I must see? We did this on Harleys, but we had three weeks! I think we lost a little time on the lower Riviera, but I digress. Allow more time if you can; you want to take the good roads. (snip) When were you planning on telling me and what's her name this time? Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 21:11:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1R2B3O14943 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1R27Wo92018 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:07:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226210538.047ba160@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:09:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: What? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:27 PM 2/26/2002, Lisa Goddard wrote: >When were you planning on telling me and what's her name this time? Uh oh. Somebody's in trouble! I hope it's not me, somehow. (?) /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 26 21:52:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11404.mail.yahoo.com (web11404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.234]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1R2qDO15627 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:52:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020227025212.74880.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.163.102.172] by web11404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:52:12 PST Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Do Yin Subject: MFI woodbridge To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii everyone i know that's taken their bike to MFI in woodbridge has nothing but good things to say about them. too bad they don't carry suzuki or i'd buy my next bike there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 00:36:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1R5aQO18112 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:36:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA25761 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA27793 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.105]) by smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay7 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GS6FK400.H9G for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:36:04 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Check out my Ducati! Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:34:46 -0500 Message-ID: <003501c1bf50$78083fe0$1606030a@d478406837> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Photos: http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/mc/ Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club mailto:gary@XXXXXX TL Owners Club: http://www.tl1000.com TL Owners Board: http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard TL Message Board: http://www.voy.com/14718/ Yahoo TL Pit: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/tl1000pit From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 03:58:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1R8wXO21409 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-99.s353.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.99] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16fzux-0003Hk-00; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:58:32 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Adam Reinhardt Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yoshimura Exhaust Question Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:59:48 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20020226013643.16982.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020226013643.16982.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1R8wbO21410 Take digital pictures and post them to yoshimura, and newsgroups.. take the header around to bike shops.. ask mechanics there.. take it to the race track and ask there... search ebay and compare it to all yosh pipes they have, and have had in their completed auctions section. I suspect the best place to take it would be a bike salvage yard... maybe GRD in white planes.. if you live in that area. Do more research of where it came from.. who it came from, what previous bikes they used to own.. and what their friends rode... compare at yoshimura's website. that's all i can think of for now. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 04:39:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1R9dlO22043 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-99.s353.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.99] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16g0Yr-0004rC-00; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:39:46 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCycles'" , "'bmckeithen@XXXXXX'" , "'MSF-MD-Philip Sause'" , "'MSF:MDakrajewsk'" Subject: Re: MSF instructors Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:41:02 -0500 Message-ID: References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B367@DCHQCLEXHQ> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B367@DCHQCLEXHQ> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1R9e1O22044 Another thing I thought about was.. the money shortage.. and the demand... So how do you pay the instructors more money, without raising the set cost of classes? Simple.. you offer an ALTERNATIVE class at a higher price. There are some people who can afford to pay more, and happy to pay more, in order not miss out on learning how to ride this season. Charge those students 300-500 ( or some figure on scale with learning how to drive a car). After all, this is a class that will teach you how to save your life. That is worth it. Last time I checked new york's rate was atleast 300 and i think nearing 400. It's simple, if you don't like it, dont' attend, take the cheaper class, stand in line for it. Right now, as far as I know, a person couldn't privately offer a riding school if they wanted to as a business venture. Anyway back to the MSF, by keeping the other normal classes low in cost, you still entice people to take the class instead of "having their friends teach them". to cut down on the bitch and gripe factor, MSF can rename it to "advanced beginners class" and maybe cover a few more topics, after one completes the learning and testing that the basic course would offer. Or it can include a free ticket to the advanced class in 6 months down the road... so charge $550. Remember, the higher rate would be optional, and I stress that the normal course price should stay low so people would be inclined to take it. Another thing is, MSF could sell helmets and other riding gear.. not make it mandatory.. but there are some people who would like to buy helmets from MSF, because they know they're getting a good helmet from a reliable source. Also since MSF is a non profit organization (right?) they are entitled to buy government repossessed land for $1. the buildings may be shabby, but then you could leave them shabby, and use the parking lot space... or do tax deductible fund raisers and get the buildings fixed. Also not a lot of peole realize that MSF will accept donated bikes.. well in other areas.. not sure about our area.. but maybe it should. Some people would love to right off their 250 cc bike on their taxes. start a program advertising accepting bike donations, and even the larger than 250cc bikes can be auctioned off for fund raisers. Also, MSF could offer a "riding school" in which the courts can order traffic law violating riders to attend.. and that would be fund raising and only classroom time, hence no costs associated with bike use. So once agian i've done some creative thinking.. it's a damn shame i'm not currently employed and let my mind go to waste. If anyone wants a creative thinker on their payroll let me know! (it would be nice to work for MSF and get these things done too). Oh yea i just thought of one more.. maybe an "learners permit class" for those students who have a learners permit, their own bike, and of course insurance.. then you avoid bike costs, mainenence costs, insurance costs.. atleast for that class. You might think that's a great oppertunity for students to wipe out each other and their bikes, but then remember, the class is geared towards people who already know how to ride, and are just there to get liscensed, or correct their bad habits.. Oh yea..one ore thing about job seeking.. i'm qualified, but not certified to be a pc tech. 14 years experience, and no cerfication.. i'm an idiot :-) Oh by the way.. for you techichies, I figured out a way to beat spam pop ups in internet explorer without any added software. I swear i'm a waste of genius. :) Anyway it turns big banners to little red x's, and makes pop up windows immediately close themselves. it's wonderful. Danny - creative genius for hire 01 gsxr 750 00 zx6r 95 zx6r - needs re-assembly 93 ex250 - in parts thirsting for a gsxr1000 and zx12 & busa From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 04:55:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1R9tVO22282 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-99.s353.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.99] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16g0o6-0005KY-00; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:55:31 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Howard J. Koontz" Cc: "William J. Huson" , , , Subject: Re: the beggining of hte gun thread - OT Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:56:47 -0500 Message-ID: References: <000f01c1be68$aefa4cc0$875b1840@apnHOFOJOKO> In-Reply-To: <000f01c1be68$aefa4cc0$875b1840@apnHOFOJOKO> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1R9tWO22283 I'd like to take this oppertunity to piss off a few people and rant about gun safety. (for those who have a problem with it, hey i put OT in the subject line.. don't blame me cuz you can't resist the urge to hit the delete button).. ok back to the rant. was it moron clinton who wanted to have all guns have trigger locks? trigger locks are false security. They can be defeated. They don't stop the firearm from leaving the home, to then fall into the hands of God knows who. They don't even stop children nor burglars from identifying it as a gun.. where areas of a lock box or safe, would atleast do that much.. and then there is a certain percentage of darwin award winners who will try to put the trigger lock ona loaded gun and hurt themselves (or others). I say if you own a firearm, secure it so it's not recognizable, and not removable from a locked container when you're not home, and when you are home, you can keep it in a easy accessible, unlocked place, for in-home self defense. Hmm do they give tax write off's for gun safes? they should! non movable safe = security trigger locks = trash & problem waiting to happen,slightly better than nothing. rant over! From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 05:34:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RAYFO22854 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-99.s353.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.99] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16g1Pa-0006Q8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:34:14 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ludacris or plausible? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:35:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1RAYIO22855 A local car auction occasionally has beat up boats on trailers.. no body bids on them and the bid starts at $200. I guess everyone thinks its probably a money trap. how plausible is it to buy one, find a way to get rid of the boat, and then modify the trailer to have a bed? The plus side of it would be a large trailer cheap... but is it worth the hassle? From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 05:39:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RAd3O22962 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:39:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-99.s353.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.99] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16g1UE-0006YC-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:39:02 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: trailer van or pick up? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:40:20 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1RAd4O22963 occasional bike tow.. occasional light furnature move... mostly... but once a year it would be nice if I had a trailer to trailer bikes out of town.. I figure i can get a van or pickup cheap if i bargain hunt... but if i get a trailer, i'm going to want as big an open trailer as i can get.. that is practical for large truck... any ideas? what's your line of thinking? pickup truck? van? trailer? From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 08:07:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RD7oO25149 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:07:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-49.patriot.net [209.249.181.49]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1RD7kt24410; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:07:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7CD9BA.20F9A80B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:06:02 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" , "'bmckeithen@XXXXXX'" , "'MSF-MD-Philip Sause'" , "'MSF":"MDakrajewsk'" Subject: Re: MSF instructors References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B367@DCHQCLEXHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Another thing I thought about was.. the money shortage.. and the > demand... > > So how do you pay the instructors more money, without raising the set > cost of classes? > > Simple.. you offer an ALTERNATIVE class at a higher price. There are > some people who can afford to pay more, and happy to pay more, in > order not miss out on learning how to ride this season. Charge those > students 300-500 ( or some figure on scale with learning how to drive > a car). After all, this is a class that will teach you how to save > your life. That is worth it. Last time I checked new york's rate was > atleast 300 and i think nearing 400. It's simple, if you don't like > it, dont' attend, take the cheaper class, stand in line for it. Right > now, as far as I know, a person couldn't privately offer a riding > school if they wanted to as a business venture. I believe Harley-Davidosn is doing that. I talked with aq pair of H-D "Rider's Edge" instructors from the chilly north and they claimed the fee for H-D's clone-MSF-class was $300, so I'm guessing the instructor/coachs are getting paid more. They use Blasts for trainer bikes. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 08:11:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RDBVO25180 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-49.patriot.net [209.249.181.49]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1RDBSt25096; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:11:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7CDA98.F4B4D0EA@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:09:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ludacris or plausible? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would check the load rating of the trailer. Fibreglass boats are heavy slugs, and a trailer with a 3000# rating would be kinda bouncy with a couple light bikes on it. Watch the ads - I'm sure you can latch on to a used garden trailer cheap. More suitable. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > A local car auction occasionally has beat up boats on trailers.. no > body bids on them and the bid starts at $200. I guess everyone thinks > its probably a money trap. > > how plausible is it to buy one, find a way to get rid of the boat, > and then modify the trailer to have a bed? > > The plus side of it would be a large trailer cheap... but is it worth > the hassle? From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 08:22:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from [207.239.97.193] (cerebus.mdot.state.md.us [207.239.97.193]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1RDMDO25415 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mdotmailsweeper.noc.mdot.mdstate by [207.239.97.193] via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 13:22:13 UT Received: from mdot.state.md.us (unverified) by mdotsmtpav.mdot.state.md.us (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:19:20 -0500 Received: from NOCPD-Message_Server by mdot.state.md.us with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:19:38 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:19:06 -0500 From: "Philip Sause" To: , Cc: , "Andrew Krajewski" Subject: Re: MSF instructors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1RDMEO25416 Carl, This sort of came out of the blue. I may have missed the first part of the discussion. Have you contacted me before? My brain gets full sometimes and I forget. Here in the "Free State" of Maryland we are experiencing many of the problems other states are. It is safe to say that any program that has tied completion of the basic course to licensing has more demand than supply. Instructors in Maryland are part-time contractual employees. We have a "performance" minimum requiring Instructors to teach three classes a year. There has to be a good reason they can't teach more. We want our Instructors to teach at least six to eight times a season. Due to the shortage of Instructors many do teach twice, or more a month. This is too much. The main problem with getting qualified Instructors is some candidates can't commit to the training. As palatable as we try to make the schedule, if you miss a session you're out. A few candidates get into it and then decide its not for them. Some even complete the course and then never teach. Our attrition rate is nearly 50%. We are constantly evaluating inovative ways to train Instructors. Phil Sause >>> "Custer, Carl" 02/26/02 03:55PM >>> Bob McKeithen observed, "Over here in West-by-God we have similar problems. In addition, for the really dedicated instructors ,there is the burn -out factor. A buddy of mine did twenty couple classes last year and says that this year he his going to do only a few. Bill is correct after several hours on the range in July you are whipped. We have given a brief look at the private instruction route, but without State support it would simply be too expensive." and concluded, "The only real solution would be for the states to step up and make the program a full time professional set up with dedicated ranges etc. I just don't see that happening." That is (or was) Maryland's strategy. MSF instructors were to contract with the State for at least two sessions a month. That certainly stopped me from attempting to become a MSF instructor. I don't know if that policy is still in effect. So, I've cc'ed two Maryland DOT driving training representatives for comment. Because they're likely not subscribed to the newslist, their answers might bounce. But, I'll forward anything they send my way. Bob then baited with, "Just look at the totally bogus system we use to teach youngsters to drive cages." Uh oh, that's a sore spot with me. Paid good money for one daughter and one niece to take driver's training a year apart. They said most of the classroom time was spent watching "Speed" or afternoon soaps. Unlike the other daughter, another niece, and nephew who took drivers training in school (yes, at 61, I am an olde phart) the last two needed additional training. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 08:23:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RDNtO25428 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-49.patriot.net [209.249.181.49]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1RDNqt27148; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:23:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7CDD81.BD644DEA@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:22:09 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: trailer van or pick up? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have both, 4WD Dakota PU, and a fulls size Dodge van. Both have 3.50 towing axles and the van has a BFE (Big F*****g Engine). The van wins the over the road advantage, cheap buggers like meself can sleep in it comfortably. But I'd downsize the trailer. Had a monster enclosed one time to haul my outboard race boats. It was a PITA, gas milage sucked so bad the United Arab Emirates were sending me Thank You cards. Dumped that slug and went back to the open trailer I'd built for the boats - 4 boats and 6 outboard engines and the rig was well under 2000#. Eazy-breezy tow. Keep it simple, keep it light. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > occasional bike tow.. > occasional light furnature move... > mostly... > > but once a year it would be nice if I had a trailer to trailer bikes > out of town.. > > I figure i can get a van or pickup cheap if i bargain hunt... > but if i get a trailer, i'm going to want as big an open trailer as i > can get.. that is practical for large truck... > > any ideas? what's your line of thinking? > > pickup truck? van? trailer? From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 08:34:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RDYBO25649 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:37:32 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B371@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Philip Sause'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: bmckeithen@XXXXXX, Andrew Krajewski Subject: RE: MSF instructors Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:37:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain > Carl, > This sort of came out of the blue. I may have missed the first part of > the discussion. Have you contacted me before? My brain gets full > sometimes and I forget. [Custer, Carl] It doesn't get any better. > Here in the "Free State" of Maryland we are experiencing many of the > problems other states are. It is safe to say that any program that has > tied completion of the basic course to licensing has more demand than > supply. > > Instructors in Maryland are part-time contractual employees. We have a > "performance" minimum requiring Instructors to teach three classes a year. > There has to be a good reason they can't teach more. We want our > Instructors to teach at least six to eight times a season. Due to the > shortage of Instructors many do teach twice, or more a month. This is too > much. [Custer, Carl] Likely, the lack of folks who can commit is the crux of the problem. Most of us have full time jobs and families. I volunteered with the County for bicycle rodeos but couldn't commit to more than one per month. Kids are now out of the house so, my home commitment is only to #1 wife & the yard -- but -- work travel now kills at least one weekend per month. > The main problem with getting qualified Instructors is some candidates > can't commit to the training. As palatable as we try to make the > schedule, if you miss a session you're out. A few candidates get into it > and then decide its not for them. Some even complete the course and then > never teach. Our attrition rate is nearly 50%. We are constantly > evaluating inovative ways to train Instructors. [Custer, Carl] Let's troll this newslist. When and where are the next instructor training sessions? > Phil Sause > [Custer, Carl] > Carl in Bethesda > Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over > snow, and around road ragers. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 08:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RDrGO25959 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA28123 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:53:10 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020227090234.0119bfd4@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:02:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: trailer van or pick up? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:22 AM 2/27/02 -0500, William J. Huson wrote: >I have both, 4WD Dakota PU, and a fulls size Dodge van. Both have 3.50 >towing axles and the van has a BFE (Big F*****g Engine). The van wins >the over the road advantage, cheap buggers like meself can sleep in it >comfortably. > >But I'd downsize the trailer. Had a monster enclosed one time to haul my >outboard race boats. It was a PITA, gas milage sucked so bad the United >Arab Emirates were sending me Thank You cards. Dumped that slug and went >back to the open trailer I'd built for the boats - 4 boats and 6 outboard >engines and the rig was well under 2000#. Eazy-breezy tow. Keep it >simple, keep it light. > >Bill I agree. Get a full size 1/2 ton pickup. I tow my '96 Firebird a few times a year with my 1/2 ton Suburban and it does great. If you were towing regularly, definately go with a 3/4 or 1 ton (depending on load). Stuff like weight distributing hitches and sway controls can help with a short wheelbase truck while towing, too. I see about 10mpg towing 6000lbs (car+trailer+racing stuff), about 15mpg unloaded. The Suburban is nice because it has a 42gallon fuel tank, which makes for bladder punishing distance. :-) Also, a pickup is a lot more useful than an SUV. I sold my F150 for the Suburban and plan to switch back to a pickup in the next few years. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 08:54:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from [207.239.97.193] (cerebus.mdot.state.md.us [207.239.97.193]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1RDsSO25969 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mdotmailsweeper.noc.mdot.mdstate by [207.239.97.193] via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 13:54:28 UT Received: from mdot.state.md.us (unverified) by mdotsmtpav.mdot.state.md.us (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:51:35 -0500 Received: from NOCPD-Message_Server by mdot.state.md.us with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:51:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:50:51 -0500 From: "Philip Sause" To: , Cc: , , "Andrew Krajewski" Subject: Re: MSF instructors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1RDsSO25970 In most states, Maryland included, the course fee(s) are set by law. You just can't charge a higher fee. We are exploring other ways to offer courses. You have though of nothing new. No offense intended. Phil >>> 02/27/02 04:41AM >>> Another thing I thought about was.. the money shortage.. and the demand... So how do you pay the instructors more money, without raising the set cost of classes? Simple.. you offer an ALTERNATIVE class at a higher price. There are some people who can afford to pay more, and happy to pay more, in order not miss out on learning how to ride this season. Charge those students 300-500 ( or some figure on scale with learning how to drive a car). After all, this is a class that will teach you how to save your life. That is worth it. Last time I checked new york's rate was atleast 300 and i think nearing 400. It's simple, if you don't like it, dont' attend, take the cheaper class, stand in line for it. Right now, as far as I know, a person couldn't privately offer a riding school if they wanted to as a business venture. Anyway back to the MSF, by keeping the other normal classes low in cost, you still entice people to take the class instead of "having their friends teach them". to cut down on the bitch and gripe factor, MSF can rename it to "advanced beginners class" and maybe cover a few more topics, after one completes the learning and testing that the basic course would offer. Or it can include a free ticket to the advanced class in 6 months down the road... so charge $550. Remember, the higher rate would be optional, and I stress that the normal course price should stay low so people would be inclined to take it. Another thing is, MSF could sell helmets and other riding gear.. not make it mandatory.. but there are some people who would like to buy helmets from MSF, because they know they're getting a good helmet from a reliable source. Also since MSF is a non profit organization (right?) they are entitled to buy government repossessed land for $1. the buildings may be shabby, but then you could leave them shabby, and use the parking lot space... or do tax deductible fund raisers and get the buildings fixed. Also not a lot of peole realize that MSF will accept donated bikes.. well in other areas.. not sure about our area.. but maybe it should. Some people would love to right off their 250 cc bike on their taxes. start a program advertising accepting bike donations, and even the larger than 250cc bikes can be auctioned off for fund raisers. Also, MSF could offer a "riding school" in which the courts can order traffic law violating riders to attend.. and that would be fund raising and only classroom time, hence no costs associated with bike use. So once agian i've done some creative thinking.. it's a damn shame i'm not currently employed and let my mind go to waste. If anyone wants a creative thinker on their payroll let me know! (it would be nice to work for MSF and get these things done too). Oh yea i just thought of one more.. maybe an "learners permit class" for those students who have a learners permit, their own bike, and of course insurance.. then you avoid bike costs, mainenence costs, insurance costs.. atleast for that class. You might think that's a great oppertunity for students to wipe out each other and their bikes, but then remember, the class is geared towards people who already know how to ride, and are just there to get liscensed, or correct their bad habits.. Oh yea..one ore thing about job seeking.. i'm qualified, but not certified to be a pc tech. 14 years experience, and no cerfication.. i'm an idiot :-) Oh by the way.. for you techichies, I figured out a way to beat spam pop ups in internet explorer without any added software. I swear i'm a waste of genius. :) Anyway it turns big banners to little red x's, and makes pop up windows immediately close themselves. it's wonderful. Danny - creative genius for hire 01 gsxr 750 00 zx6r 95 zx6r - needs re-assembly 93 ex250 - in parts thirsting for a gsxr1000 and zx12 & busa From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 08:57:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from [207.239.97.193] (cerebus.mdot.state.md.us [207.239.97.193]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1RDvgO26056 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mdotmailsweeper.noc.mdot.mdstate by [207.239.97.193] via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 13:57:42 UT Received: from mdot.state.md.us (unverified) by mdotsmtpav.mdot.state.md.us (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:54:50 -0500 Received: from NOCPD-Message_Server by mdot.state.md.us with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:55:07 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:54:13 -0500 From: "Philip Sause" To: , Cc: , "Andrew Krajewski" Subject: RE: MSF instructors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1RDvhO26057 We have four IP's in progress at this time. I may schedule another in the fall. Phil >>> "Custer, Carl" 02/27/02 08:37AM >>> > Carl, > This sort of came out of the blue. I may have missed the first part of > the discussion. Have you contacted me before? My brain gets full > sometimes and I forget. [Custer, Carl] It doesn't get any better. > Here in the "Free State" of Maryland we are experiencing many of the > problems other states are. It is safe to say that any program that has > tied completion of the basic course to licensing has more demand than > supply. > > Instructors in Maryland are part-time contractual employees. We have a > "performance" minimum requiring Instructors to teach three classes a year. > There has to be a good reason they can't teach more. We want our > Instructors to teach at least six to eight times a season. Due to the > shortage of Instructors many do teach twice, or more a month. This is too > much. [Custer, Carl] Likely, the lack of folks who can commit is the crux of the problem. Most of us have full time jobs and families. I volunteered with the County for bicycle rodeos but couldn't commit to more than one per month. Kids are now out of the house so, my home commitment is only to #1 wife & the yard -- but -- work travel now kills at least one weekend per month. > The main problem with getting qualified Instructors is some candidates > can't commit to the training. As palatable as we try to make the > schedule, if you miss a session you're out. A few candidates get into it > and then decide its not for them. Some even complete the course and then > never teach. Our attrition rate is nearly 50%. We are constantly > evaluating inovative ways to train Instructors. [Custer, Carl] Let's troll this newslist. When and where are the next instructor training sessions? > Phil Sause > [Custer, Carl] > Carl in Bethesda > Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over > snow, and around road ragers. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 09:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RE6tO26273 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:06:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:10:17 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B378@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DCCycles'" , "'MSF-MD-Philip Sause'" , "'stayinsafe@XXXXXX'" , "'trigger@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: MSF instructors Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:10:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Danny the (creative genius for hire) > So how do you pay the instructors more money, without raising the set > cost of classes? > Simple.. you offer an ALTERNATIVE class at a higher price. [Custer, Carl] Bingo! Grodsky and Ryder both offer on-the-road and parking lot training. I don't know what they charge but both offer one-on-one and group sessions. But IIRC, Grodsky once got nailed by Maryland because he was not an "official Maryland trainer" So, Grodsky only offers on-the-road training in the more enlightened States such as PA, OH, & W(BG)V. I know Ryder takes small groups down to Deals Gap. http://www.motorcycleacademy.com Oh here's Grodsky's http://www.stayinsafe.com/tips.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 09:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (root@XXXXXX [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RE9eO26283 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from DellJPCP414 (dial195.springfield.236.crosslink.net [209.147.81.232]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id JAA14029; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:09:33 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-ID: <003801c1bf98$67894c70$e85193d1@DellJPCP414> From: "Phil Childress" To: , Subject: Summit Point prices Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:09:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1BF6E.7DC9A7C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1BF6E.7DC9A7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave- I guess I'm confused as to their pricing. For us day-trippers, who just like to drive up and see the races for a few hours, then drive back say at 4pm, this means it's $25 for = Saturday and $15 for Sunday. I got stung by this last summer, when the Saturday = WERA race I paid $25 for turned out to be mostly a 6 hour marathon.=20 Phil '99 KLR650 >From: "Dave Cross" >To: "Gary Foreman" , > "DC-Cycles List" >Subject: Re: 2002 Summit Point Schedule >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:41:11 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/SCHEDSP.HTM >Looks like they now charge sensible adminsions fees, at least for the >spectators: >CCS and WERA Motorcycle Races >$25.00 at the gate, $23.00 in advance ~ 6 pm Friday until 10 pm = Saturday >$15.00 at the gate, $13.00 in advance ~ 10 pm Saturday until 3 pm = Sunday ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1BF6E.7DC9A7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I guess I'm confused as to their=20 pricing.
For us day-trippers, who just like to = drive up=20 and see the races for
a few hours, then drive back say at = 4pm, this means=20 it's $25 for Saturday
and $15 for Sunday.  I got stung = by this last=20 summer, when the Saturday WERA
race I paid $25 for turned out to be = mostly a 6=20 hour marathon. 
Phil
'99 KLR650
 
 
>From: "Dave Cross" <dave@XXXXXX>
>To: = "Gary=20 Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>,
>&= nbsp; =20 "DC-Cycles List" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>>Subject:=20 Re: 2002 Summit Point Schedule
>Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:41:11=20 -0500
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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>Looks=20 like they now charge sensible adminsions fees, at least for=20 the
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>CCS and WERA Motorcycle = Races
>$25.00 at=20 the gate, $23.00 in advance ~ 6 pm Friday until 10 pm = Saturday
>$15.00 at=20 the gate, $13.00 in advance ~ 10 pm Saturday until 3 pm=20 Sunday


------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1BF6E.7DC9A7C0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 09:10:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from [207.239.97.193] (cerebus.mdot.state.md.us [207.239.97.193]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1REAeO26296 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:10:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mdotmailsweeper.noc.mdot.mdstate by [207.239.97.193] via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 14:10:40 UT Received: from mdot.state.md.us (unverified) by mdotsmtpav.mdot.state.md.us (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:07:48 -0500 Received: from NOCPD-Message_Server by mdot.state.md.us with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:08:06 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:07:27 -0500 From: "Philip Sause" To: , Cc: , , Subject: RE: MSF instructors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1REAjO26297 Grodsky got nailed in Maryland because he was in violation of State Law. Enlightened or not, all educational activity in this area is regulated by the MVA. Kinda like letting an unlicensed doctor operate. >>> "Custer, Carl" 02/27/02 09:10AM >>> Danny the (creative genius for hire) > So how do you pay the instructors more money, without raising the set > cost of classes? > Simple.. you offer an ALTERNATIVE class at a higher price. [Custer, Carl] Bingo! Grodsky and Ryder both offer on-the-road and parking lot training. I don't know what they charge but both offer one-on-one and group sessions. But IIRC, Grodsky once got nailed by Maryland because he was not an "official Maryland trainer" So, Grodsky only offers on-the-road training in the more enlightened States such as PA, OH, & W(BG)V. I know Ryder takes small groups down to Deals Gap. http://www.motorcycleacademy.com Oh here's Grodsky's http://www.stayinsafe.com/tips.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 09:11:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1REBHO26316 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27493 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from web13802.mail.yahoo.com (web13802.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA07996 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:11:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020227141113.33662.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:11:13 PST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:11:13 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Check out my Ducati! To: Gary Foreman , "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" In-Reply-To: <003501c1bf50$78083fe0$1606030a@d478406837> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NICE BIKE. Do you push it around your dining room table? (-; --- Gary Foreman wrote: > Photos: > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/mc/ > > > Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club > mailto:gary@XXXXXX > TL Owners Club: http://www.tl1000.com > TL Owners Board: > http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard > TL Message Board: http://www.voy.com/14718/ > Yahoo TL Pit: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/tl1000pit > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 09:16:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1REGuO26513 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:20:18 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B379@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Philip Sause'" , daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: stayinsafe@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, trigger@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MSF instructors Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:20:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain > Grodsky got nailed in Maryland because he was in violation of State Law. > Enlightened or not, all educational activity in this area is regulated by > the MVA. Kinda like letting an unlicensed doctor operate. [Custer, Carl] No argument there. Can we (MD) accept instructors who are certified in other States? Just as we do some physicians and members of the bar? Is that a law, a regulation, or a policy? From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 09:58:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1REwNO27310 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g1REvaG23349 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:57:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:57:36 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: quack, quack In-Reply-To: <20020227013120.20455.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So what waterproof gear where you wearing and how did it do. Thanks, Hugh On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, matthew patton wrote: > wow, our first thunderstorm of the year! Nothing like re-evaluating > manufacturer's claims as to 'water-proofness' in 30 minutes of hard, > driving rain. Such weather can only be properly enjoyed on an unfaired bike. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 10:01:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RF1KO27403 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g1RF1E320092; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:01:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:01:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271501.g1RF1E320092@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX, SBave@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX Subject: re: beginning the gun thread OFF topic - minimal motorcycle content. I'd like to take this oppertunity to piss off a few people and rant about gun safety. 1st, it's opportunity, 2nd, rants are typically my schtick, and 3rd by what authority do you claim the gun safety soapbox ? was it moron clinton who wanted to have all guns have trigger locks? trigger locks are false security. They can be defeated. It was no more Clinton that was responsible for trigger locks, than it was Carter responsible for mandatory Helmet laws. There are many pols responsible for the 'mandatory trigger lock' issue, as there are many pols responsible for your legal requirement to wear a helmet. There are many nuances to both sides of my analogy, but they can easily be broken down as follows Helmets are required by states because (in part) the Feds hinge federal road money on it (or used to). Driving on public roads is a licensed privelege, not a right. The right to keep and bear arms is enumerated in the US Constitution, which for all other articles & amendments, is the "Supreme Law of the Land" and may NOT be superceded. However, the 2AUSC is the only portion of the USC that is NOT enforced on all states as the rest of the Constitution is. Therefore, the states can pretty much do what they want, so if a particular state, like MD, whose state Constitution contains no right to keep and bear arms, wants to prohibit firearms ownership, there's not a whole lot to stop them. Courts have routinely allowed 'gradual erosion' of almost all of the Constitution, and consider 'reasonable infringements' acceptable. They don't stop the firearm from leaving the home, to then fall into the hands of God knows who. They don't even stop children nor burglars from identifying it as a gun.. where areas of a lock box or safe, would atleast do that much.. and then there is a certain percentage of darwin award winners who will try to put the trigger lock ona loaded gun and hurt themselves (or others). This is a very good point, some loaded guns can be made to fire with a trigger lock attached. This is something I cover with all our students. But more so, it is 'keep it under your direct control, or securely stored'. I say if you own a firearm, secure it so it's not recognizable, and not removable from a locked container when you're not home, and when you are home, you can keep it in a easy accessible, unlocked place, for in-home self defense. Hmm do they give tax write off's for gun safes? they should! Are you also saying that there should be a criminal penalty for not securing a firearm in your own home ? I personally think that all Minivans & SUVs should contain a passenger capacity plug, because there's not legitimate need to carry more than 2 passengers. And, all potential SUV & minivan drivers should have to pass a criminal background check, so we can close the cage dealer loophole, and vehicles that carry more than 2 passengers AND have night operating instruments, trailer hitches etc shall be classed as 'assault vehicles' and subject to federal registration & taxation.... After all, we need to keep the roads safe for the children... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 10:03:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RF3DO27423 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:04:26 -0500 Received: by hqex.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <108BMCP8>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:03:39 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: The uninformed buyer is.... uninformed Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:02:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Money talks. As long as posers are buying... they'll keep supplying... but seriously... asks I, where else can one go to try on a model of apparel or such and then purchase is for less thru catalog sales or other resources? I very rarely go there but it is really close to my place. As far as bikes go the only new off the shelf bike I ever bought was in '72 and it was a 360 Yamaha enduro. I pick my bikes up from posers or impulse buyers. They're EVERYWHERE! >But will it just change back to what it was before Poserride? Poserride >sucked, no doubt, but Coleman wasn't much better. While it seems the >customer will always go there, hopefully the manufactures will get a clue >and take their lines' elsewhere. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 10:04:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RF4GO27433 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g1RF3UR23369 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:03:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:03:30 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Check out my Ducati! In-Reply-To: <003501c1bf50$78083fe0$1606030a@d478406837> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Did you build that? If so very nice job. Hugh On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Gary Foreman wrote: > Photos: > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/mc/ > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 10:09:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RF9VO27579 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g1RF9UFD013616 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GS763T00.U5P for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:09:29 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GS763T00.8MR for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:09:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:09:28 -0500 Subject: Re: quack, quack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020227013120.20455.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) On Tuesday, February 26, 2002, at 08:31 , matthew patton wrote: > wow, our first thunderstorm of the year! Nothing like re-evaluating > manufacturer's claims as to 'water-proofness' in 30 minutes of hard, > driving rain. Such weather can only be properly enjoyed on an unfaired > bike. Tell me about it! My Boss saw me watching the weather and wimpering, so she let me out of work at 3:30. I went and grabbed and friend and we rode to the zoo. (In my summer riding gear....it was 69 degrees and sunny out!) Well, we had a great time and went down to Georgetown for dinner. The skies are perfectly dry up to this point. We hunt around for a parking spot, and I say the hell with it and pull into the underground garage across from Wisconsin & M. By the time we park and walk out of the garage, it has begun *pouring* rain. So we spent a few quality hours and Mr. Smith's, and by the time it stopped raining, it was *COLD* outside. I haven't been that cold since I did my Saddle Sore 1000 in December of 1999. Ugh. It did feel good to get home and climb into some warm blankets! Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 10:20:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RFKhO27822 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pool-63.49.114.16.bltm.grid.net ([63.49.114.16] helo=cfoatty3) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16g5sX-0006SY-00; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:20:25 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c1bfa2$683b2bc0$1072313f@cfoatty3> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: , Cc: , , , , References: <200202271501.g1RF1E320092@atlanta.pop3now.com> Subject: Re: re: beginning the gun thread Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:21:17 -0500 Organization: CF&O MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 My opinion is let everyone own a gun. This week I settled a hunting accident case on behalf of my client for $400K. A hunter with 25 years of experience mistook my client for a deer and shot him in the leg. The injury was very serious. The accident occurred in the evening about 5 minutes before the end of the legal time to hunt. My client did not have any blaze orange on, as it is not required during muzzle loader season. I encourage everyone to go out and use firearms. Let the flaming begin. Roy D. Turner www.cfolaw.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:01 AM Subject: re: beginning the gun thread > OFF topic - minimal motorcycle content. > > > I'd like to take this oppertunity to piss off a few people and rant > about gun safety. > > 1st, it's opportunity, 2nd, rants are typically my schtick, > and 3rd by what authority do you claim the gun safety soapbox ? > > > > was it moron clinton who wanted to have all guns have trigger locks? > trigger locks are false security. They can be defeated. > > > It was no more Clinton that was responsible for trigger > locks, than it was Carter responsible for mandatory Helmet laws. > There are many pols responsible for the 'mandatory trigger lock' > issue, as there are many pols responsible for your legal requirement > to wear a helmet. There are many nuances to both sides of my > analogy, but they can easily be broken down as follows > > Helmets are required by states because (in part) the Feds hinge > federal road money on it (or used to). > Driving on public roads is a licensed privelege, not a right. > > > The right to keep and bear arms is enumerated in the US Constitution, > which for all other articles & amendments, is the "Supreme Law of the > Land" and may NOT be superceded. However, the 2AUSC is the only > portion of the USC that is NOT enforced on all states as the rest of > the Constitution is. Therefore, the states can pretty much do what > they want, so if a particular state, like MD, whose state > Constitution contains no right to keep and bear arms, wants to > prohibit firearms ownership, there's not a whole lot to stop them. > Courts have routinely allowed 'gradual erosion' of almost all of the > Constitution, and consider 'reasonable infringements' > acceptable. > > > > They don't > stop the firearm from leaving the home, to then fall into the hands of > God knows who. They don't even stop children nor burglars from > identifying it as a gun.. where areas of a lock box or safe, would > atleast do that much.. and then there is a certain percentage of > darwin award winners who will try to put the trigger lock ona loaded > gun and hurt themselves (or others). > > > This is a very good point, some loaded guns can be made to > fire with a trigger lock attached. This is something I cover with > all our students. But more so, it is 'keep it under your direct > control, or securely stored'. > > > I say if you own a firearm, secure it so it's not recognizable, and > not removable from a locked container when you're not home, and > when you are home, you can keep it in a easy accessible, unlocked > place, for in-home self defense. Hmm do they give tax write off's for > gun safes? they should! > > > Are you also saying that there should be a criminal penalty > for not securing a firearm in your own home ? > > I personally think that all Minivans & SUVs should contain a > passenger capacity plug, because there's not legitimate need to carry > more than 2 passengers. And, all potential SUV & minivan drivers > should have to pass a criminal background check, so we can close the > cage dealer loophole, and vehicles that carry more than 2 passengers > AND have night operating instruments, trailer hitches etc shall be > classed as 'assault vehicles' and subject to federal registration & > taxation.... After all, we need to keep the roads safe for the > children... > > > Dave > > > -- > Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! > Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 10:34:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RFYmO28033 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g1RFYhq02875; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:34:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:34:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271534.g1RFYhq02875@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: beginning the gun thread Roy Counseled - My opinion is let everyone own a gun. I think firearm safety & safe motorcycle operation should both be taught or at least made available as an elective in High school. This week I settled a hunting accident case on behalf of my client for $400K. A hunter with 25 years of experience mistook my client for a deer and shot him in the leg. The injury was very serious. I'll bet that hurt. Your client that is.... The accident occurred in the evening about 5 minutes before the end of the legal time to hunt. My client did not have any blaze orange on, as it is not required during muzzle loader season. I encourage everyone to go out and use firearms. Let the flaming begin. I'm an instructor, and even I don't go that far... There are some that just shouldn't drive, some that just shouldn't ride & some that just shouldn't shoot... I trust my wife with a gun, I don't trust her to ride my Ninja... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 10:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RFkGO28287 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-106-250.s1266.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.106.250] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16g6HX-0005Fd-00; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: <011c01c1bfa6$c0efc560$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B379@DCHQCLEXHQ> Subject: Re: MSF instructors Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:51:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Generally, you have to have a professional license in each jurisdiction. It's certainly the case with architects, although we have a national certification body that makes reciprocity easier, but by no means automatic, across state lines. MSF is a _national_ certifying body, but each state has additional training requirements before you can teach there. Same goes for MSF completion cards. There is very little reciprocity over state lines. MD won't accept VA and vice versa for purposes of licensing. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Philip Sause'" ; Cc: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:20 AM Subject: RE: MSF instructors > > Grodsky got nailed in Maryland because he was in violation of State Law. > > Enlightened or not, all educational activity in this area is regulated by > > the MVA. Kinda like letting an unlicensed doctor operate. > [Custer, Carl] > No argument there. > Can we (MD) accept instructors who are certified in other States? > Just as we do some physicians and members of the bar? > Is that a law, a regulation, or a policy? > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 10:55:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RFtLO28395 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:58:42 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B381@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Paul Wilson'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MSF instructors Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:58:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain > Generally, you have to have a professional license in each jurisdiction. > It's certainly the case with architects, although we have a national > certification body that makes reciprocity easier, but by no means > automatic, > across state lines. > > MSF is a _national_ certifying body, but each state has additional > training > requirements before you can teach there. Same goes for MSF completion > cards. There is very little reciprocity over state lines. MD won't > accept > VA and vice versa for purposes of licensing. [Custer, Carl] Oh, Paul Sause's next message didn't cc you all. in response to my, " Can we (MD) accept instructors who are certified in other States? Just as we do some physicians and members of the bar? Is that a law, a regulation, or a policy?" Paul replied, "Sure. After a quick update on the Approved Maryland Curriculum and an observation by our Quality Assurance Team an MSF certified Instructor can get a MD certification. How's that for enlightened? Grodsky was also using an unapproved curriculum." Maybe we're making progress? Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 10:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RFw0O28478 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs724762 ([63.220.27.131]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GS785D00.M2Y; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:53:37 -0500 Message-ID: <011a01c1bfa6$ebf6f030$1700a8c0@cs724762> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "hcaldwell" , References: Subject: Re: Check out my Ducati! Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:53:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 No, it comes that way. Die Cast, very heavy. Got it at www.speedzilla.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "hcaldwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: Re: Check out my Ducati! > > Did you build that? If so very nice job. > > Hugh > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Gary Foreman wrote: > > > Photos: > > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/mc/ > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 11:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RG0aO28562 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 8.119.d437255 (15911); Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:59:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from web29.aolmail.aol.com (web29.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.5]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID910-0227105935; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:59:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:59:35 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What? To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <119.d437255.29ae5c67@aol.com> Uh-oh. Looks like someone forgot their significant other was on the list. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 26 Feb 2002 9:06:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Lisa Goddard writes: > rob@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:59:14 -0500 > To: Jay Goddard > From: Rob Winters > Subject: Re: Looking for an Italian connection > Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > > At 01:29 PM 2/25/2002, Jay Goddard wrote: > >I am hoping to take a trip to Berlin in May. If I go I plan on renting > >a motorcycle and riding down to Milan and back. I will stay in Milan > >one night and somewhere in-between the second night on my way back. > >Does anybody know of a place I can stay? Is there any thing I must do, > >or someplace I must see? > > We did this on Harleys, but we had three weeks! I think we lost a little > time on the lower Riviera, but I digress. Allow more time if you can; you > want to take the good roads. (snip) > > When were you planning on telling me and what's her name this time? > > Lisa Goddard > '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 11:07:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RG7mO28712 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.14a.99d230e (5717); Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from web38.aolmail.aol.com (web38.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.14]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID410-0227110359; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:03:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:03:59 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Check out my Ducati! To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <14a.99d230e.29ae5d6f@aol.com> Cool. For a second there I thought you were just showing off a new bike. Then I got a glimpse of the fingers in the one shot. I've never seen a model so detailed. Looks good. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:37:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Gary Foreman" writes: > Photos: > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/mc/ > > > Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club > mailto:gary@XXXXXX > TL Owners Club: http://www.tl1000.com > TL Owners Board: http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard > TL Message Board: http://www.voy.com/14718/ > Yahoo TL Pit: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/tl1000pit From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 11:09:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14003.mail.yahoo.com (web14003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.94]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1RG9LO28733 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:09:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020227160915.47459.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:09:15 PST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:09:15 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: MSF instructors To: Philip Sause Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Andrew Krajewski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm a Virginia resident and have no affiliation with the course, but didn't the Maryland fees double for residents and increase from $100 to $150 about the same time that Maryland made it mandatory for 18 y/o to take the course? Perhaps it's time for a private instruction outfit to get involved. - - oh wait, that's illegal in Maryland they would need a business license that the state won't/can't issue. It appears to me that the Government of the State of Maryland has painted themselves into this corner. Leon Begeman ZX6 EX250 --- Philip Sause wrote: > In most states, Maryland included, the course fee(s) > are set by law. You just can't charge a higher fee. > > We are exploring other ways to offer courses. You > have though of nothing new. No offense intended. > > Phil > > >>> 02/27/02 04:41AM > >>> > Another thing I thought about was.. the money > shortage.. and the > demand... > > So how do you pay the instructors more money, > without raising the set > cost of classes? > > Simple.. you offer an ALTERNATIVE class at a higher > price. There are > some people who can afford to pay more, and happy to > pay more, in > order not miss out on learning how to ride this > season. Charge those > students 300-500 ( or some figure on scale with > learning how to drive > a car). After all, this is a class that will teach > you how to save > your life. That is worth it. Last time I checked > new york's rate was > atleast 300 and i think nearing 400. It's simple, if > you don't like > it, dont' attend, take the cheaper class, stand in > line for it. Right > now, as far as I know, a person couldn't privately > offer a riding > school if they wanted to as a business venture. > > Anyway back to the MSF, by keeping the other normal > classes low in > cost, you still entice people to take the class > instead of "having > their friends teach them". > > to cut down on the bitch and gripe factor, MSF can > rename it to > "advanced beginners class" and maybe cover a few > more topics, > after one completes the learning and testing that > the basic course > would offer. > > Or it can include a free ticket to the advanced > class in 6 months down > the road... so charge $550. > > Remember, the higher rate would be optional, and I > stress that the > normal course price should stay low so people would > be inclined to > take it. > > Another thing is, MSF could sell helmets and other > riding gear.. not > make it mandatory.. but there are some people who > would like to buy > helmets from MSF, because they know they're getting > a good helmet from > a reliable source. > > Also since MSF is a non profit organization (right?) > they are entitled > to buy government repossessed land for $1. the > buildings may be > shabby, but then you could leave them shabby, and > use the parking lot > space... or do tax deductible fund raisers and get > the buildings > fixed. > > Also not a lot of peole realize that MSF will accept > donated bikes.. > well in other areas.. not sure about our area.. but > maybe it should. > Some people would love to right off their 250 cc > bike on their taxes. > start a program advertising accepting bike > donations, and even the > larger than 250cc bikes can be auctioned off for > fund raisers. > > Also, MSF could offer a "riding school" in which the > courts can order > traffic law violating riders to attend.. and that > would be fund > raising and only classroom time, hence no costs > associated with bike > use. > > > So once agian i've done some creative thinking.. > it's a damn shame i'm > not currently employed and let my mind go to waste. > If anyone wants a > creative thinker on their payroll let me know! (it > would be nice to > work for MSF and get these things done too). > > Oh yea i just thought of one more.. maybe an > "learners permit class" > for those students who have a learners permit, their > own bike, and of > course insurance.. then you avoid bike costs, > mainenence costs, > insurance costs.. atleast for that class. You might > think that's a > great oppertunity for students to wipe out each > other and their bikes, > but then remember, the class is geared towards > people who already know > how to ride, and are just there to get liscensed, or > correct their bad > habits.. > > Oh yea..one ore thing about job seeking.. i'm > qualified, but not > certified to be a pc tech. 14 years experience, and > no cerfication.. > i'm an idiot :-) > > Oh by the way.. for you techichies, I figured out a > way to beat spam > pop ups in internet explorer without any added > software. I swear i'm > a waste of genius. :) Anyway it turns big banners > to little red x's, > and makes pop up windows immediately close > themselves. it's wonderful. > > Danny - creative genius for hire > 01 gsxr 750 > 00 zx6r > 95 zx6r - needs re-assembly > 93 ex250 - in parts > thirsting for a gsxr1000 and zx12 & busa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 11:18:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RGI9O28931 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.11f.c69dc2f (15879) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from web31.aolmail.aol.com (web31.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.7]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID76-0227111751; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:17:51 1900 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:17:51 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Position Available To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <11f.c69dc2f.29ae60af@aol.com> Anybody looking for a job? :-) I'd love it but, I don't want to go to a lower paying job. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 26 Feb 2002 7:21:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, CA Super Bike writes: > Keith Code's California Superbike School has a full time position available in > the Los Angeles area. We need someone who can handle a fast paced job, is > organized, willing to travel, has the desire and aptitude to learn quickly and > has great communication skills. > The available position is Course Control/Assistant Mechanic/Truck Driver. > Commercial Driver License is a plus but not required. Must be 21 years of age. > We are friendly and willing to train. No dopers. > Please contact me if you are interested or if you know someone who may be. > Sincerely, > Natalie Wattre > Director of Personnel From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 11:29:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13808.mail.yahoo.com (web13808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1RGTkO29132 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:29:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020227162940.64197.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:29:40 PST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:29:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Position Available To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <11f.c69dc2f.29ae60af@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What is a doper? They forgot to mention that adherence to DIANETICS is a plus (-; --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Anybody looking for a job? :-) I'd love it but, I > don't want to go to a lower paying job. ;-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated Tue, 26 Feb 2002 7:21:12 PM > Eastern Standard Time, CA Super Bike > writes: > > > Keith Code's California Superbike School has a > full time position available in > > the Los Angeles area. We need someone who can > handle a fast paced job, is > > organized, willing to travel, has the desire and > aptitude to learn quickly and > > has great communication skills. > > > The available position is Course Control/Assistant > Mechanic/Truck Driver. > > Commercial Driver License is a plus but not > required. Must be 21 years of age. > > We are friendly and willing to train. No dopers. > > > Please contact me if you are interested or if you > know someone who may be. > > > Sincerely, > > Natalie Wattre > > Director of Personnel > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 11:31:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RGVDO29213 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w092.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.92]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:31:10 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: Daytona 200 Bike Night Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:31:06 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2002 16:31:10.0902 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A5BBD60:01C1BFAC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1RGVEO29214 Actually a bike afternoon on Sunday, March 10th starting at 12:30 (pre-race show on Speed Channel) at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA. Race will be on Speed Vision 1-3pm. I'll hopefully put the info up on the website tonight http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Note that this is the same day as the ACC b-ball tournament final. Depending on who's playing (i.e., MD and/or Duke), Grevey's might be pretty packed. But Kevin said he's set aside room for us in 1 or 2 places to watch the Daytona 200 on Speed Channel. And if the weather is nice, the outside patio bar will be open and one of the TVs will have the race on. In addition to the regular menu, they'll also be serving an a la carte brunch. ALSO, we'll be doing another "informal" bike night at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda, MD on Sunday, April 6th, 6pm to whenever. Thanks to Lisa Goddard for organizing. Chuck -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 11:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1RGcsO29342 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 17147 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 08:38:47 -0800 Date: 27 Feb 2002 08:38:47 -0800 Message-ID: <20020227163847.17146.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 27 Feb 2002 16:38:47 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 27 Feb 2002 08:38:47 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Bike Night X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Wed, 27 February 2002, "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > > Actually a bike afternoon on Sunday, March 10th starting at 12:30 (pre-race show on Speed Channel) at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA. OK, question is...I don't have my streetbike here, so who is going to bring me on theirs? :) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 11:39:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1RGdoO29352 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 28844 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 08:39:44 -0800 Date: 27 Feb 2002 08:39:44 -0800 Message-ID: <20020227163944.28843.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 27 Feb 2002 16:39:44 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 27 Feb 2002 08:39:44 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: markkitchell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: Position Available X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Wed, 27 February 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > What is a doper? > You're kidding...right? :) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 11:48:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13804.mail.yahoo.com (web13804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1RGmNO29551 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:48:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020227164821.81538.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:48:21 PST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:48:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Position Available To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020227163944.28843.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah...but Keith is a strange guy so you never now. He is very strongly against any SSRI such as Prozac, Zoloft, etc. --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 27 February 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > > What is a doper? > > > You're kidding...right? :) > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 11:54:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RGsXO29688 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-106-238.s1254.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.106.238] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16g7Lc-0006lx-00; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:54:32 -0500 Message-ID: <01e201c1bfb0$4b0124c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: , References: <20020227163944.28843.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: Position Available Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:59:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I think "gofer" is probably a more accurate description of that position. :) Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAURA GRANATO" > On Wed, 27 February 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > > What is a doper? > > > You're kidding...right? :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 11:56:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RGuFO29718 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-106-238.s1254.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.106.238] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16g7NF-00076A-00; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:56:14 -0500 Message-ID: <01f901c1bfb0$87ab8a00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCycles'" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B367@DCHQCLEXHQ> Subject: Re: MSF instructors Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:00:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 New York's costs are much higher because the state doesn't subsidize the classes, not because the instructors are making more money. In New York State you either pay $300 or you go without. Virginia charges $90, the rest comes from a portion of motorcycle tag renewals. Yes, demand management of the class shortage through higher fees is a reasonable strategy, but only if you discount the larger public policy goals of training safer motorcyclists. In my view we should expand supply through more ranges and more classes in order to meet demand. In Va. about half the fees students pay go to cover instructor wages and employer paid taxes. The rest, plus the state subsidy, pays for bikes, supplies, classroom materials we have to purchase from MSF, community college overhead (quite substantial BTW) and management overhead. VRTP, through its non-profit arm the Motorcycle Safety League of Va., Inc., also gets cash and in kind donations from dealer sponsors and other contributors. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: Another thing I thought about was.. the money shortage.. and the demand... So how do you pay the instructors more money, without raising the set cost of classes? Simple.. you offer an ALTERNATIVE class at a higher price. There are some people who can afford to pay more, and happy to pay more, in order not miss out on learning how to ride this season. Charge those students 300-500 ( or some figure on scale with learning how to drive a car). After all, this is a class that will teach you how to save your life. That is worth it. Last time I checked new york's rate was atleast 300 and i think nearing 400. It's simple, if you don't like it, dont' attend, take the cheaper class, stand in line for it. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 12:12:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RHCOO00245 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQmeau21899; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:12:23 GMT Received: from usashexims02.corp.us.uu.net by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.UU.NET [153.39.84.14]) id QQmeau27333; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:12:18 GMT Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:10:07 -0500 Message-ID: <6432507883EBD51194E800508B6F213C127A80@usashexch05.corp.us.uu.net> From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:10:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "DC Anderson III" <> To: "stephen cutchins" , "DC Cycles" <> Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:31:20 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 FYI...I believe they changed back to Coleman PowerSports about at least a month ago. Hopefully their shitty customer service will change now. Daniel Anderson III 2000 YZF-R6 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! HEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!! HAW HAW!!! HOOOOOO!! I SERIOUSLY doubt it. ;) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 12:12:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RHClO00255 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GS700501BSXRB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:12:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GS7003LTBSWEQ@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:12:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GS700801BSWJT@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:12:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GS7005D6BSCC4@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:12:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:12:09 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: re: beginning the gun thread To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C7D1369.5BAFF3B4@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200202271501.g1RF1E320092@atlanta.pop3now.com> <001101c1bfa2$683b2bc0$1072313f@cfoatty3> "Roy D. Turner, Esq." wrote: > > My client did not have any blaze > orange on, as it is not required during muzzle loader season. Deer are colorblind. Your client should have been wearing orange anyway. Just my humble opinion. Not that wearing orange stops you from being shot at by an idiot who doesn't bother to verify the target in the first place. Oh well. I guess it took two to tango in this case. Horkster -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 12:24:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f106.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RHO7O00508 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:12:45 -0800 Received: from 66.44.4.243 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:12:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.44.4.243] From: "Wideglide Harley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSF instructors Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:12:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2002 17:12:45.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[F920FD90:01C1BFB1] What about the qualified instructors MD had before the Helmet Law was passed that refused to accept the party line on helmets or choose to fight the helmet law with tickets. They worked hard but werenM-^Rt acceptable after 91. I started to take the instructor course a few years back, but quit for the following reasons not in any particular order. . I had no objections to the $10 per hour IM-^Rve always enjoyed teaching and this looked more like performing a community service than work. 1.Required to wear long sleeve shirt during summer as well as to and from training. (Every one talks about how hot it gets on the course durning summer months. What I wear when I ride and what I wear when I stand in a parking lot in the summer are two different things.) 2.Had to speak the party line that said regardless of what any one says helmets save do save lives. (Sometimes they take lives also! New riders should be aware of all the facts not just what the State wants to give out.) 3.The bike I rode to and from class must be able to pass MD inspection. All my bikes are well maintained tires, brakes, etc. But one has a blue dot tail light, one has custom pipes (not straight pipes) and one has ape hanger handle bars 2inches over MD law. (I couldnM-^Rt ride any of my bikes to and from class.) 4.In general there were to many restrictions placed on me 24 hours a day 7 days a week that out weighed the satisfaction of teaching people how to safely ride a motorcycle. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 12:28:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RHSSO00672 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQmeav21436; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:28:28 GMT Received: from usashexims01.corp.us.uu.net by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.UU.NET [153.39.80.14]) id QQmeav11333; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:27:48 GMT Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <167LVJV7>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:25:36 -0500 Message-ID: <6432507883EBD51194E800508B6F213C127A81@usashexch05.corp.us.uu.net> From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'GaskeDG@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:25:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Gaske David G DLVA <>GaskeDG@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:38:38 -0500 But will it just change back to what it was before Poserride? Poserride sucked, no doubt, but Coleman wasn't much better. While it seems the customer will always go there, hopefully the manufactures will get a clue and take their lines' elsewhere. Apparently, some manufacturers have dropped Coleman (or whatever they happen to be at the moment) as a vendor. While querying Alpinestar about local dealers, they specifically named THAT horrid little place as one they ditched. Sally '01 YZF 600R From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 12:43:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from [207.239.97.193] (cerebus.mdot.state.md.us [207.239.97.193]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1RHhiO00968 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mdotmailsweeper.noc.mdot.mdstate by [207.239.97.193] via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 17:43:44 UT Received: from mdot.state.md.us (unverified) by mdotsmtpav.mdot.state.md.us (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:40:50 -0500 Received: from NOCPD-Message_Server by mdot.state.md.us with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:41:08 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:40:18 -0500 From: "Andrew Krajewski" To: "Philip Sause" , Cc: Subject: Re: MSF instructors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1RHhlO00969 Leon: As a former instructor in the Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program, your statements disappoint me. None of your statements are acturate about the Maryland Program. Also, weren't you and maybe still are a Virginia instructor? Maryland raised its course fee from $50 to $100 because we no longer have dedicated funding. We are required by law to cover the cost of the Program from the money collected through miscellaneous fees. The course fee is a miscellaneous fee. The under 18 requirement was passed in the late 80's. The fee was not increased until the late 90's. Our regulations allow private providers to become part of the motorcycle safety effort. Private providers (independent training centers) have been allowed since 1985 when the Program started training. In fact, we had a least four private providers in the first few years of operation. These private providers stopped training because the profit margin was to small. Anytime you increase fees for an educational service you must consider what it will do to the customers. As you increase the fees, more and more individuals elect not to participate in the courses. Currently, it is costing the State approximately $160 to train one individual. We are charging $100 for the basic course. If we raise the fee to $160, a percentage of the individuals will not seek training. Is that good customer service? The Maryland Motor Vehicle Administration has not painted itself into a corner. We will train approximately 5,000 individuals this year. Yes, the demand does exceed what we can deliver, but every state that has a program and waives any part of the licensing process has this problem. If we and the other states drop the licensing wavier, the demand will also drop. Is the Maryland Program the best in the country? Of course not. No one knows what makes the best Program. Every year during the first few weeks of registration everyone complains because they did not get the course and dates they wanted. Not everyone who wanted to go to the Super Bowl got tickets to the game. >>> Leon Begeman 02/27/02 11:09AM >>> I'm a Virginia resident and have no affiliation with the course, but didn't the Maryland fees double for residents and increase from $100 to $150 about the same time that Maryland made it mandatory for 18 y/o to take the course? Perhaps it's time for a private instruction outfit to get involved. - - oh wait, that's illegal in Maryland they would need a business license that the state won't/can't issue. It appears to me that the Government of the State of Maryland has painted themselves into this corner. Leon Begeman ZX6 EX250 --- Philip Sause wrote: > In most states, Maryland included, the course fee(s) > are set by law. You just can't charge a higher fee. > > We are exploring other ways to offer courses. You > have though of nothing new. No offense intended. > > Phil > > >>> 02/27/02 04:41AM > >>> > Another thing I thought about was.. the money > shortage.. and the > demand... > > So how do you pay the instructors more money, > without raising the set > cost of classes? > > Simple.. you offer an ALTERNATIVE class at a higher > price. There are > some people who can afford to pay more, and happy to > pay more, in > order not miss out on learning how to ride this > season. Charge those > students 300-500 ( or some figure on scale with > learning how to drive > a car). After all, this is a class that will teach > you how to save > your life. That is worth it. Last time I checked > new york's rate was > atleast 300 and i think nearing 400. It's simple, if > you don't like > it, dont' attend, take the cheaper class, stand in > line for it. Right > now, as far as I know, a person couldn't privately > offer a riding > school if they wanted to as a business venture. > > Anyway back to the MSF, by keeping the other normal > classes low in > cost, you still entice people to take the class > instead of "having > their friends teach them". > > to cut down on the bitch and gripe factor, MSF can > rename it to > "advanced beginners class" and maybe cover a few > more topics, > after one completes the learning and testing that > the basic course > would offer. > > Or it can include a free ticket to the advanced > class in 6 months down > the road... so charge $550. > > Remember, the higher rate would be optional, and I > stress that the > normal course price should stay low so people would > be inclined to > take it. > > Another thing is, MSF could sell helmets and other > riding gear.. not > make it mandatory.. but there are some people who > would like to buy > helmets from MSF, because they know they're getting > a good helmet from > a reliable source. > > Also since MSF is a non profit organization (right?) > they are entitled > to buy government repossessed land for $1. the > buildings may be > shabby, but then you could leave them shabby, and > use the parking lot > space... or do tax deductible fund raisers and get > the buildings > fixed. > > Also not a lot of peole realize that MSF will accept > donated bikes.. > well in other areas.. not sure about our area.. but > maybe it should. > Some people would love to right off their 250 cc > bike on their taxes. > start a program advertising accepting bike > donations, and even the > larger than 250cc bikes can be auctioned off for > fund raisers. > > Also, MSF could offer a "riding school" in which the > courts can order > traffic law violating riders to attend.. and that > would be fund > raising and only classroom time, hence no costs > associated with bike > use. > > > So once agian i've done some creative thinking.. > it's a damn shame i'm > not currently employed and let my mind go to waste. > If anyone wants a > creative thinker on their payroll let me know! (it > would be nice to > work for MSF and get these things done too). > > Oh yea i just thought of one more.. maybe an > "learners permit class" > for those students who have a learners permit, their > own bike, and of > course insurance.. then you avoid bike costs, > mainenence costs, > insurance costs.. atleast for that class. You might > think that's a > great oppertunity for students to wipe out each > other and their bikes, > but then remember, the class is geared towards > people who already know > how to ride, and are just there to get liscensed, or > correct their bad > habits.. > > Oh yea..one ore thing about job seeking.. i'm > qualified, but not > certified to be a pc tech. 14 years experience, and > no cerfication.. > i'm an idiot :-) > > Oh by the way.. for you techichies, I figured out a > way to beat spam > pop ups in internet explorer without any added > software. I swear i'm > a waste of genius. :) Anyway it turns big banners > to little red x's, > and makes pop up windows immediately close > themselves. it's wonderful. > > Danny - creative genius for hire > 01 gsxr 750 > 00 zx6r > 95 zx6r - needs re-assembly > 93 ex250 - in parts > thirsting for a gsxr1000 and zx12 & busa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 13:00:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RI0RO01295 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id MAA08291; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:56:52 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma007111; Wed, 27 Feb 02 12:56:21 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GS700IC7DWLQ5@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:57:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:00:23 -0500 Subject: Re: MSF instructors To: akrajewski@XXXXXX Cc: psause@XXXXXX, mriderleon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.9 |November 16, 2001) at 02/27/2002 12:59:35 PM Whew, that doesn't seem to be a very customer service oriented statement. Maybe therein lies part of the problem? --Chris "Graduate" of the VA Basic and ERC courses, now living in MD. Andrew Krajewski on 02/27/2002 12:40:18 PM To: Philip Sause mriderleon@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF instructors Not everyone who wanted to go to the Super Bowl got tickets to the game. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 13:04:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RI4dO01325 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g1RI4XQ06971; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:04:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:04:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271804.g1RI4XQ06971@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: continuing the gun thread > My client did not have any blaze > orange on, as it is not required during muzzle loader season. Deer are colorblind. Your client should have been wearing orange anyway. I don't know if it matters when you see them on a bike, but IIRC, a couple of state wildlife agencies have forwarded that deer are not totally colorblind. Nobody knows, plain and simple, because the Deer aren't talking, and the only indications we have are the states & the hunters. I think both are in agreement that they are harder to hunt in blaze orange. Whether or not he should've been wearing orange is debateable - the human eye looks for movement, and if you're still hunting, you're better off without blaze orange and remaining still. Although I do understand that blaze orange helps with BDC's :-) I wonder if the Camo Blaze orange works just as well with BDC's ??? Just my humble opinion. Not that wearing orange stops you from being shot at by an idiot who doesn't bother to verify the target in the first place. Not really. Wearing orange doesn't in any way increase the IQ, wisdom or sound judgement of others around you, it just draws attention to yourself by pretty much any form of life. I say mind your light & noise discipline, remain still and thin the deer herd whenever you get a chance, so that when riding season returns, there will be less deer to motorcycle collisions for us to worry about ! 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Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 13:20:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RIKuO01715 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-42-230.s738.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.42.230] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16g8hC-0000O1-00; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:20:55 -0500 Message-ID: <00e701c1bfbc$5aee2d40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: MSF instructors Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:26:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Statements of this type reveal all too typical bureaucratic attitudes about customer service. "We exist to perform favors for the taxpayer in a time and manner of our own choosing" rather than "the customer is doing us a favor patronizing our business." Quite a difference don't you think? Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Whew, that doesn't seem to be a very customer service oriented statement. > Maybe therein lies part of the problem? > > --Chris > "Graduate" of the VA Basic and ERC courses, now living in MD. > Andrew Krajewski on 02/27/2002 12:40:18 PM > > > Not everyone who wanted to go to the Super Bowl got tickets to the game. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 13:22:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RIMWO01735 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:22:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g1RIMVrC011242 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GS7F1I00.9HO for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:22:30 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GS7F1I00.O1P for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:22:30 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:22:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Bike Night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020227163847.17146.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) > OK, question is...I don't have my streetbike here, so who is going to > bring me on theirs? :) > > Laura You can borrow the Bandit if you want! Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 13:34:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RIYoO01915 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g1RIYnth026683 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:34:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GS7FM100.NHY for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:34:49 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GS7FM000.K2B for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:34:48 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:34:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Bike Night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) On Wednesday, February 27, 2002, at 01:26 , Jon Strang wrote: > What!!? > > > > --jon > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sean Jordan [mailto:eternity23@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:23 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Bike Night >> >> >>> OK, question is...I don't have my streetbike here, so who is going to >>> bring me on theirs? :) >>> >>> Laura What's so funny? Sean Jordan 93 Honda CBR1000F 90 Yamaha FZR400 (race) 89 Suzuki Bandit 400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 13:36:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RIalO02026 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from STAYINSAFE@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id e.3f.7407848 (25916); Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:36:26 -0500 (EST) From: STAYINSAFE@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3f.7407848.29ae8129@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:36:25 EST Subject: Re: MSF instructors To: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX, psause@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, trigger@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Gentlemen, Interesting dialogue. Please note, however, that I have never been "nailed" in Maryland or any other state for "practicing without a license." I was once served notice by Mr. Andrew Krajewski of the MD DMV that all driving and motorcycling schools in that state must be properly licensed through his office. He kindly offered to walk me through the paperwork if I ever chose to open a school there. Note that I encourage everyone interested in taking my instructor course for on-street trainers to first determine what their state regulations are. One instructor from a midwestern state recently had to withdraw because his state requires a 300 sq. ft. classroom and a flush toilet! Cheers, LG From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 13:44:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1RIi3O02164 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 20194 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 10:43:56 -0800 Date: 27 Feb 2002 10:43:56 -0800 Message-ID: <20020227184356.20193.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 27 Feb 2002 18:43:56 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 27 Feb 2002 10:43:56 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: STAYINSAFE@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX, psause@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, trigger@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: MSF instructors X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Wed, 27 February 2002, STAYINSAFE@XXXXXX wrote: > > Gentlemen, Ahem!..there are ladies on this list too... :-) > > Cheers, > > LG Please refrain from using the initials "LG" as they are too close to mine "LAG." Thank you! (just kidding, BTW) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 13:47:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RIlQO02244 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:47:26 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaqGtWdGUKZcL5YT2gYgaJ/eKKtbJEeRdjLeIrRuzwmcfuKygK8FHTxaD/Ut8Bynm8= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16g96r-0000im-00; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:47:25 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "Sean Jordan" , Subject: RE: Daytona 200 Bike Night Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:46:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Your response said that Laura could borrow the Bandit...the first thing that came to mind was my bike; hence the dumb joke that I sent *you*, not the entire list. You were supposed to read that I had a Bandit, and you were supposed to laugh. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Jordan [mailto:eternity23@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:35 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Bike Night > > > > On Wednesday, February 27, 2002, at 01:26 , Jon Strang wrote: > > > What!!? > > > > > > > > --jon > > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sean Jordan [mailto:eternity23@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:23 PM > >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Bike Night > >> > >> > >>> OK, question is...I don't have my streetbike here, so who is going to > >>> bring me on theirs? :) > >>> > >>> Laura > >You can borrow the Bandit if you want! > >Sean Jordan > >Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > > What's so funny? > > Sean Jordan > 93 Honda CBR1000F > 90 Yamaha FZR400 (race) > 89 Suzuki Bandit 400 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 13:56:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RIuHO02375 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g1RIuGth001024 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GS7GLR00.4HX for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:56:15 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GS7GLR00.50F for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:56:15 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:56:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Bike Night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) On Wednesday, February 27, 2002, at 01:46 , Jon Strang wrote: > Your response said that Laura could borrow the Bandit...the first thing > that > came to mind was my bike; Ah, gotcha. > hence the dumb joke that I sent *you*, not the > entire list. Oops! My fault; wasn't paying attention. My apologies for the inappropriate cross-post. > You were supposed to read that I had a Bandit, and you were supposed to > laugh. Didn't make the connection....I thought maybe it was because the fact that I am a Bandit owner has not been made public knowledge to the list. (Not for any particular reason, just never got around to announcing it.) Oh by the way everybody, I bought at Bandit 400. Fun bike! :P Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 14:17:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RJHXO02855 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:17:33 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYNq4mtyMkJk+649bukoYOleFRWIgQ2xjolbRBvLvSO+OgtVoOFQCwhZ+0wNHD3Okc= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16g9a0-0006h5-00; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:17:32 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "Sean Jordan" , Subject: RE: Daytona 200 Bike Night Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:16:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Sean, You'll find lots of Bandit knowledge at: www.maximum-suzuki.com several of the regulars ride/race the 400. --jon ------Sean wrote: > Didn't make the connection....I thought maybe it was because the fact > that I am a Bandit owner has not been made public knowledge to the list. > (Not for any particular reason, just never got around to announcing it.) > Oh by the way everybody, I bought at Bandit 400. Fun bike! :P > > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 14:19:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RJJUO02885 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <15BML4TV>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:19:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bandit Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:19:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What year is the 400? I've only heard of the 600, 1200 and neked 1200. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan [mailto:eternity23@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:56 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Bike Night Didn't make the connection....I thought maybe it was because the fact that I am a Bandit owner has not been made public knowledge to the list. (Not for any particular reason, just never got around to announcing it.) Oh by the way everybody, I bought at Bandit 400. Fun bike! :P Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 15:07:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001slb.verizon.net [206.46.170.13] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RK7jO03802 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:07:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ltanner ([4.63.9.23]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020227200737.KRSJ7202.out001.verizon.net@ltanner> for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:07:37 -0600 From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Calling Pete Wimer Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:03:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sorry for the bandwidth, but your email address keeps bouncing. Pete, your tankbag is ready. I'd like to get it delivered before I leave for Daytona next week. Please contact me. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 16:03:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RL2xO04811 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id q.13.7418fdf (18252); Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:02:29 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <13.7418fdf.29aea365@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:02:29 EST Subject: MSF instructors and State Costs. To: akrajewski@XXXXXX, psause@XXXXXX, mriderleon@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13.7418fdf.29aea365_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10034 --part1_13.7418fdf.29aea365_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/2002 12:44:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, akrajewski@XXXXXX writes: > Currently, it is costing the State approximately $160 to train one > individual. Please verify this statement with a detailed explanation of how this is calculated. end Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_13.7418fdf.29aea365_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/2002 12:44:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, akrajewski@XXXXXX writes:


Currently, it is costing the State approximately $160 to train one individual. 


Please verify this statement with a detailed explanation of how this is calculated.

end

Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)


--part1_13.7418fdf.29aea365_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 16:04:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RL4WO04831 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GS700601MJ9RD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:04:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GS7005B1MJ95H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:04:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GS700H01MJ7RL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:04:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GS700C9JMJ3IO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:04:15 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:04:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Nicknames for PowerRide/Coleman? To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <3C7D49CC.CA42B373@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <6432507883EBD51194E800508B6F213C127A80@usashexch05.corp.us.uu.net> > FYI...I believe they changed back to Coleman PowerSports about at least a > month ago. Hopefully their shitty customer service will change now. >From runny and gaseous to chunky and smelly? :) Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 16:10:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RLAKO04958 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GS700001MT0M5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:10:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GS700JNLMT0S7@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:10:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GS700J01MSZ18@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:10:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GS700CBUMSPII@XXXXXX>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:10:02 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:09:59 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: continuing the gun thread To: sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C7D4B27.4835F9CF@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200202271804.g1RI4XQ06971@atlanta.pop3now.com> sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > I say mind > your light & noise discipline, remain still and thin the deer herd > whenever you get a chance, so that when riding season returns, there > will be less deer to motorcycle collisions for us to worry about ! I did my best. There's one less Bambi terrorizing motorcyclists this year, at least. Hoped for more, had plenty of room in the deep freezer. Maybe next season I'll be more successful. :) Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 16:31:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RLVlO05385 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:31:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g1RLV0h24382 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:31:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:31:00 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NoVA Bars with moto races? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know of any bars in Northern Virginia that will be showing the motoraces regularly on Tuesday night or the weekends? Thanks, Hugh From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 16:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13808.mail.yahoo.com (web13808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1RLr7O05778 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:53:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020227215306.41101.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:53:06 PST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:53:06 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: NoVA Bars with moto races? To: hcaldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I highly doubt it. Summers is a great sportsbar...soccer, F1, etc. If there was demand, they would be the ones to ask. Mark --- hcaldwell wrote: > > Does anyone know of any bars in Northern Virginia > that will be showing the motoraces regularly on > Tuesday night > or the weekends? > > Thanks, > Hugh > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 16:59:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RLxXO05866 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.e4.236bc845 (3957) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:59:18 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:59:18 EST Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Bike Night To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e4.236bc845.29aeb0b6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_e4.236bc845.29aeb0b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > I don't have my streetbike here, so who is going to bring me on theirs? :) > Do ya like to do wheelies and stoppies? :) Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 --part1_e4.236bc845.29aeb0b6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lgranato@XXXXXX writes:

I don't have my streetbike here, so who is going to bring me on theirs? :)

  Do ya like to do wheelies and stoppies?  :)

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9
 --part1_e4.236bc845.29aeb0b6_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 17:37:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from libcom.com (libcomserver1.libcom.com [205.138.18.41] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RMbeO06681 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from a.user [205.138.20.247] by libcom.com (SMTPD32-7.04) id A0B63E250144; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:41:58 -0500 From: "David Ryder" To: "Philip Sause" Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:38:44 -0500 Subject: RE: MSF instructors Reply-to: trigger@XXXXXX CC: , Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: <200202271742574.SM01328@a.user> X-RBL-Warning: This E-mail has headers consistent with spam [4000020e]. X-RBL-Warning: This E-mail was sent from a mail server [No Reverse DNS] with no reverse DNS entry. X-Note: Declude On 27 Feb 02, at 9:07, Philip Sause wrote: > Grodsky got nailed in Maryland because he was in violation of State Law. > Enlightened or not, all educational activity in this area is regulated by > the MVA. In this case, "regulated" means "If we don't make any money off it, we don't allow it." Al Capone used a similar business plan in Chicago, I believe. > Kinda like letting an unlicensed doctor operate. If only doctors had the same safety record as we do. I can't speak for Larry, but we haven't lost a customer yet. -- David Ryder The Motorcycle Academy http://www.motorcycleacademy.com 412/881-9442 --- --- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 17:51:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from libcom.com (libcomserver1.libcom.com [205.138.18.41] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RMpgO06993 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from a.user [205.138.20.247] by libcom.com (SMTPD32-7.04) id A41F48EF0100; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:56:31 -0500 From: "David Ryder" To: "'DCCycles'" Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:53:17 -0500 Subject: RE: MSF instructors Reply-to: trigger@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B378@DCHQCLEXHQ> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: <200202271756444.SM01328@a.user> X-RBL-Warning: This E-mail has headers consistent with spam [4000020e]. X-RBL-Warning: This E-mail was sent from a mail server [No Reverse DNS] with no reverse DNS entry. X-Note: Declude On 27 Feb 02, at 9:10, Custer, Carl wrote: > I know Ryder takes small groups down to Deals Gap. > http://www.motorcycleacademy.com Rapidly becoming our most popular class. While many are surprised that we take students on such long classes, it offers an opportunity to teach long distance touring techniques. Lacking a class like this, these techniques are usually learned from undesirable experiences (Gee, next time I'll KNOW to bring a tire plug kit and air compressor, for instance). Our instructors provide tips on packing (what to, how to), choosing roads and motorcycle- friendly accomodations, dealing with fatigue, and a lot more. And of course, then there's The Dragon! -- David Ryder The Motorcycle Academy http://www.motorcycleacademy.com 412/881-9442 --- --- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 17:54:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20104.mail.yahoo.com (web20104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1RMs3O07003 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:54:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020227225401.89147.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:54:01 PST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:54:01 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: looking for a laythe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It looks like I'll need to fashion some slightly cutom bits in order to graft a GSXR frontend onto my GS500. Does anyone know of a laythe I can get a little bit of time on? It'll only be a matter of shaving little bits of material off the OD of a bit of steel pipe or boring out the ID. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 18:10:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RNANO07292 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-111-129.s2415.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.111.129] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16gDDK-0001kD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:10:22 -0500 Message-ID: <02a001c1bfe3$e8df1520$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "'DCCycles'" References: <200202271756444.SM01328@a.user> Subject: Re: MSF instructors Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:10:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ryder" > On 27 Feb 02, at 9:10, Custer, Carl wrote: > > > I know Ryder takes small groups down to Deals Gap. > > http://www.motorcycleacademy.com > > Rapidly becoming our most popular class. While many are > surprised that we take students on such long classes, it offers an > opportunity to teach long distance touring techniques. Lacking a > class like this, these techniques are usually learned from > undesirable experiences (Gee, next time I'll KNOW to bring a tire > plug kit and air compressor, for instance). Our instructors provide > tips on packing (what to, how to), choosing roads and motorcycle- > friendly accomodations, dealing with fatigue, and a lot more. And of > course, then there's The Dragon! > > Oh please. I need to be trained how to choose roads and to pick "motorcycle-friendly accommodations"? People actually pay good money for someone to teach them this common sense stuff? I see Barnum's Law is still in full effect. What ever happening to mentoring, taking a newbie under your wing, etc. That's how I learned and will continue to learn. Perhaps the Maryland authorities take a slightly jaundiced view of "training" like this for good reason. Sounds more like an all expense paid junket -- for the instructor that is. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 18:21:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f167.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RNLfO07556 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:09:59 -0800 Received: from 209.70.39.112 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:09:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.70.39.112] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: continuing the gun thread Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:09:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2002 23:09:59.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0B38F70:01C1BFE3] Well, all I know is that I wear head-to-toe blaze orange when hunting during rifle season and I have had deer walk right up to me. I even had a doe sniff my boot one time. I've had bucks come to within 10-15 yards and not see me until I moved. Perry >From: >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: continuing the gun thread >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:04:33 -0500 > > > My client did not have any blaze > > orange on, as it is not required during muzzle loader season. > >Deer are colorblind. Your client should have been wearing orange >anyway. > > > I don't know if it matters when you see them on a bike, but >IIRC, a couple of state wildlife agencies have forwarded that deer >are not totally colorblind. Nobody knows, plain and simple, because >the Deer aren't talking, and the only indications we have are the >states & the hunters. I think both are in agreement that they are >harder to hunt in blaze orange. > >Whether or not he should've been wearing orange is debateable - the >human eye looks for movement, and if you're still hunting, you're >better off without blaze orange and remaining still. > >Although I do understand that blaze orange helps with BDC's :-) I >wonder if the Camo Blaze orange works just as well with BDC's ??? > > >Just my humble opinion. Not that wearing orange stops you from being >shot at by an idiot who doesn't bother to verify the target in the >first place. > > Not really. Wearing orange doesn't in any way increase the >IQ, wisdom or sound judgement of others around you, it just draws >attention to yourself by pretty much any form of life. I say mind >your light & noise discipline, remain still and thin the deer herd >whenever you get a chance, so that when riding season returns, there >will be less deer to motorcycle collisions for us to worry about ! > > >Dave > > >-- >Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! >Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 18:31:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1RNVKO07777 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:31:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25852 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 23:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dcpiii1000) (64.3.32.57) by motorcyclegearreview.com (63.151.113.84) with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 23:31:36 -0000 Message-ID: <00ce01c1bfe6$d851d730$39200340@blairdubilier.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: "Phil Childress" , References: <003801c1bf98$67894c70$e85193d1@DellJPCP414> Subject: Re: Summit Point prices Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:31:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C1BFBC.EF0F51C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C1BFBC.EF0F51C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I take it to mean that if you enter after 10pm on Saturday and pay your = $15, you get in for the rest of the weekend including Sunday. Racers and = crew who arrive either Friday evening or early Saturday morning pay $25 = for the entire weekend. Dave ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Phil Childress=20 To: dave@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: Summit Point prices Dave- I guess I'm confused as to their pricing. For us day-trippers, who just like to drive up and see the races for a few hours, then drive back say at 4pm, this means it's $25 for = Saturday and $15 for Sunday. I got stung by this last summer, when the = Saturday WERA race I paid $25 for turned out to be mostly a 6 hour marathon.=20 Phil '99 KLR650 =20 =20 >From: "Dave Cross" >To: "Gary Foreman" , > "DC-Cycles List" >Subject: Re: 2002 Summit Point Schedule >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:41:11 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/SCHEDSP.HTM >Looks like they now charge sensible adminsions fees, at least for the >spectators: >CCS and WERA Motorcycle Races >$25.00 at the gate, $23.00 in advance ~ 6 pm Friday until 10 pm = Saturday >$15.00 at the gate, $13.00 in advance ~ 10 pm Saturday until 3 pm = Sunday ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C1BFBC.EF0F51C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I take it to mean that if you enter = after 10pm on=20 Saturday and pay your $15, you get in for the rest of the weekend = including=20 Sunday. Racers and crew who arrive either Friday evening or early = Saturday=20 morning pay $25 for the entire weekend.
 
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Phil=20 Childress
To: dave@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, = 2002 9:09=20 AM
Subject: Summit Point = prices

Dave-
I guess I'm confused as to their=20 pricing.
For us day-trippers, who just like to = drive up and see the races for
a few hours, then drive back say at = 4pm, this=20 means it's $25 for = Saturday
and $15 for Sunday.  I got stung = by this=20 last summer, when the Saturday WERA
race I paid $25 for turned out to be = mostly a 6=20 hour marathon. 
Phil
'99 KLR650
 
 
>From: "Dave Cross" <dave@XXXXXX>
>To: = "Gary=20 Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>,
>&= nbsp; =20 "DC-Cycles List" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>>Subject:=20 Re: 2002 Summit Point Schedule
>Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:41:11=20 -0500
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By = Microsoft=20 MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200

> http://www.summit= point-raceway.com/SCHEDSP.HTM

>Looks=20 like they now charge sensible adminsions fees, at least for=20 the
>spectators:

>CCS and WERA Motorcycle = Races
>$25.00=20 at the gate, $23.00 in advance ~ 6 pm Friday until 10 pm=20 Saturday
>$15.00 at the gate, $13.00 in advance ~ 10 pm Saturday = until 3=20 pm Sunday


------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C1BFBC.EF0F51C0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 18:44:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RNikO08005 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09555 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:44:45 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020227185408.01113ea8@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:54:10 -0500 To: "'DCCycles'" From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: MSF instructors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:10 PM 2/27/02 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: >Oh please. I need to be trained how to choose roads and to pick >"motorcycle-friendly accommodations"? > >People actually pay good money for someone to teach them this common sense >stuff? I see Barnum's Law is still in full effect. What ever happening to >mentoring, taking a newbie under your wing, etc. That's how I learned and >will continue to learn. Perhaps the >Maryland authorities take a slightly jaundiced view of "training" like this >for good reason. Sounds more like an all expense paid junket -- for the >instructor that is. > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F Wow, Paul, you really get worked up about this stuff. :-) Anyway, I know some friends of mine who live in other parts of the country who are interested in starting out in motorcycling. They don't know any other riders they can trust, so I can see where a class like this could come in handy. Some people aren't born with an innate knowledge of all things motorcycle related (as you must have been - congrats!) or they don't know anyone else that they can have mentor them. Last time I checked in the local classifieds, nobody was advertising in there to devote their free time to teaching strangers the ins and outs of motorcycling. Just my .02 :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 18:51:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1RNpqO08177 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max3h-80.his.com [64.14.96.80]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA05939 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:51:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020227185147.015abb08@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:51:50 -0800 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Summit Point prices Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:09 AM 2/27/02 -0500, Phil Childress wrote: >>>> Dave- I guess I'm confused as to their pricing. For us day-trippers, who just like to drive up and see the races for a few hours, then drive back say at 4pm, this means it's $25 for Saturday and $15 for Sunday. I got stung by Going to Summit Point for a motorcycle event this sounds like your getting hose, but it is a lot better than for a car race. For these events you do not get access to the pits. In fact to cross over bridge into the "infield" requires creditals. But if you want to get in for free, and have the best seat in the house for the racing, consider cornerworking. The MARRC folks will feed you and pay your gate fee in exchange for the pleasure of standing in the crash zone waiting to address the next racer that biffs it. For info; http://marrc.nova.org/ S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 20:04:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1S14iO09404 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from fredg7yxzzfv8e ([68.48.144.3]) by mtaout45-01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with SMTP id <0GS70056EXNNKR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:04:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:06:00 -0500 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: trailer van or pick up? >But I'd downsize the trailer. Had a monster enclosed one time to haul my I agree. Get a full size 1/2 ton pickup. I tow my '96 Firebird a few times a year with my 1/2 ton Suburban and it does great. If you were towing regularly, definately go with a 3/4 or 1 ton (depending on load). Stuff like weight distributing hitches and sway controls can help with a short wheelbase truck while towing, too. :-) Also, a pickup is a lot more useful than an SUV. I sold my F150 for the Suburban and plan to switch back to a pickup in the next few years. I agree with you that the 1/2 ton Suburban has been more than sufficient to tow two large bikes (ZX-11's and the like) on our 5 X 8 flatbed open trailer. Truck and trailer full of gear, luggage, two large dogs, bicycle and maybe a kitchen sink or two. No problems setting the cruise control at 80 and holding steady up steep hills (no our trailer doesn't have those tiny little wheels to limit speed). I would have to disagree with you on the pickup truck versus SUV issue. We will actually sleep comfortably in the Suburban with the dogs. I have never been one to enjoy sleeping in a tent but I don't mind the Suburban. The Suburban has also been working better to accomodate our luggage that we want access to during the drive and leaves space for the dogs. I can't imagine a pickup truck would allow me the access to the back that I have grown used to even with a cap. I guess to each his own. Holler before you sell your Suburban, I always know of people who are looking for used ones! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 20:39:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1S1dgO10041 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12334 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:39:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020227204900.01115094@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:49:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Suburbans and hauling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:06 PM 2/27/02 -0500, you wrote: [...] >but I don't mind the Suburban. The Suburban has also been working better to >accomodate our luggage that we want access to during the drive and leaves >space for the dogs. I can't imagine a pickup truck would allow me the >access to the back that I have grown used to even with a cap. True, Lisa. When I'm driving my Suburban, I'm going to a race. So the things I'm carrying are tools, tires, canopy, etc. All of those items are a bit easier to load into a pickup truck. As it is now, I put a tarp and some old sheets in the back of the Suburban so I don't get the inside dirty (hi BillH) :-) The 'burb is a great truck, very durable, decent power, great utility and an awesome people mover with the third row of seats installed :-) >I guess to each his own. Holler before you sell your Suburban, I always >know of people who are looking for used ones! Will do! -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 27 21:24:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1S2OmO10707 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-53.patriot.net [209.249.181.53]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1S2Oj527626; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:24:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7D9486.17F91F4E@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:23:02 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suburbans and hauling References: <3.0.32.20020227204900.01115094@noid.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > True, Lisa. When I'm driving my Suburban, I'm going to a race. So the > things I'm carrying are tools, tires, canopy, etc. All of those items are > a bit easier to load into a pickup truck. As it is now, I put a tarp and > some old sheets in the back of the Suburban so I don't get the inside dirty > (hi BillH) :-) > HEY! My Dodge van wuz spicky-span clean until my woman decided *I* should loan it to my kid for a few months since he was short a car. Now the interior has that baby barf odor and there's all sorts of strange substances ground into the carpets. Came back with a dented front fender and a busted locked-the-keys-inside vent window too! Dang kids... Oh yeah, and it's a `90 Dodge so forget the paint, fell off in patches several years ago. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 10:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SFx3O23322 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-99.s353.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.99] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16gSxR-00049o-00; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:59:02 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX, SBave@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX Subject: Re: re: beginning the gun thread Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:00:33 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200202271501.g1RF1E320092@atlanta.pop3now.com> In-Reply-To: <200202271501.g1RF1E320092@atlanta.pop3now.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1SFxBO23323 |> 1st, it's opportunity, 2nd, rants are typically my schtick, |>and 3rd by what authority do you claim the gun safety soapbox ? I have a problem with authority so I claim none, I'm just a person who supports our freedoms. |> |>Helmets are required by states because (in part) the Feds hinge |>federal road money on it (or used to). |>Driving on public roads is a licensed privelege, not a right. I believe some have argued that since tax money goes into the roads, and one has a freedom of travel, one has a right and not a privledge, to use the roads. One could also argue the right to use it includes at any speed so long as they're not cutting anyone off, running them off the road, or nearly colliding with anyone. However i'm not ready to make that arguement at that time, although I would vote for that if it came up in a referendum. |>I say if you own a firearm, secure it so it's not recognizable, and |>not removable from a locked container when you're not home, and |>when you are home, you can keep it in a easy accessible, unlocked |>place, for in-home self defense. Hmm do they give tax write off's for |>gun safes? they should! |> Are you also saying that there should be a criminal penalty |>for not securing a firearm in your own home ? Nope. Just offering good advice. You should be able to leave your keys in your car too. Someone could be hurt or killed from the theft of either, but i'm not about to blame owner/victims for the crimes of theives and killers. |>I personally think that all Minivans & SUVs should contain a |>passenger capacity plug, because there's not legitimate need to carry |>more than 2 passengers. And, all potential SUV & minivan drivers |>should have to pass a criminal background check, so we can close the |>cage dealer loophole, and vehicles that carry more than 2 passengers |>AND have night operating instruments, trailer hitches etc shall be |>classed as 'assault vehicles' and subject to federal registration & |>taxation.... After all, we need to keep the roads safe for the |>children... And let's not forget they are now making sales over the internet and have these evil car shows! And straw man car dealers, there are some guys who will go buy..3 or 4 cars at a time, just to sell them to anyone walking on the street! |>Dave From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 12:01:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SH1sO24412 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-99.s353.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.99] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16gTwH-000230-00; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:01:53 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ludacris or plausible? Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3C7CDA98.F4B4D0EA@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3C7CDA98.F4B4D0EA@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1SH3LO24416 Good advice. thanks. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 12:41:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1SHfhO25117 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:41:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020228174142.35152.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:41:42 PST Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:41:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Website To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii chris w. and laura g.: fyi i just checked the website to determine if any updates had been made.... i noticed something a bit odd: both michael jordan and i have IDENTICAL favorite parts about riding. i imagine this is either the result of a new and incorrect update, or an old error -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 12:55:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SHtGO25391 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ABAOF40-MTA by mail.aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:54:52 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:54:30 -0500 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Bike Quality Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA" --=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser. He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of an opinion on Harleys. Can you please send your responses? I told him that most get off on the name and that I've heard that they lack in quality. --=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: HTML
I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser. He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of an opinion on Harleys. Can you please send your responses?
 
I told him that most get off on the name and that I've heard that they lack in quality.
--=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 13:17:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (pcp732049pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net [68.49.160.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SIHmO25802 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (bonaire.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.12]) by bonaire.brauhausdc.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g1SII9j22443; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:18:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:18:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: Robert Beatty cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Quality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA" Content-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@XXXXXX for more info. --=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Robert Beatty wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:54:30 -0500 > From: Robert Beatty > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike Quality > > I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser. > He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of an opinion > on Harleys. Can you please send your responses? Not what I'd buy for a first bike -- I'd probably consider a Honda Rebel, if he likes cruisers, for a first bike. The rebel 250 is actually a fun, if diminutive, bike to ride. A large Harley will not only cost a lot of money to purchase, but will also cause a lot of heartache (or a heart attack, outright) when it hits the ground the first time. Regarding quality -- you'll get a mixed bag of reviews on any make, depending who you ask. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX --=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Content-Description: HTML =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D
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=0D --=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 13:23:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SIN8O25901 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:23:08 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVarKTANJ2mpkwpNlcsnKIUbOuE+ijD+XXZcD7OycSkbOyALRWa6RdEJ305jtzXvs7U= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16gVCt-0000Ce-00; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:23:07 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" , "Robert Beatty" Subject: RE: Bike Quality Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:21:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal I rented one (1200 sporty) along with a BMW R1100 or 1150 (the "new" boxer twin) for a vacation ride in Arizona with my brother a few years back. It was very slow. The Beemer would run away from it, no problem, and the Beemer is no speed demon. It wasn't just anemic acceleration and top speed; it was slow to turn and to stop. It didn't handle poorly, all things considered, but you had to set up for a corner several seconds before you would on a jap or euro bike. I mean, start countersteering now, hard. Wait as it ssslllloooooowwwwllllyyyyy fell into the corner, and so on. Brakes sucked, too. The gearbox wasn't as bad as I expected. On the good side, it was a unique experience for me. The slight chassis felt very light and bicycle-like and the mechanical noises were addicting. I mean, I really had fun on it and enjoyed myself. You never forgot you were riding a motorcycle, that's for sure. The Beemer (like most modern jap bikes) would allow you to become one with the road; you'd think "turn left", and it would turn. The Harley took constant rider attention and planning. Also, it pretty much ran at WFO for about 1,000 miles (nearly all in excess of 90mph) in the Arizona mountains and summer heat without a hint of a complaint; and since it was a rental with about 18K or 20K miles on it, I imagine it was ridden hard quite a bit. Oh, an interesting note: the plain-Jane BMW boxer got much more attention at gas and food stops. --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Beatty [mailto:Rbeatty@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:55 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Quality I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser. He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of an opinion on Harleys. Can you please send your responses? I told him that most get off on the name and that I've heard that they lack in quality. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 13:27:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail01g.rapidsite.net (mail01g.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.232]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1SIRNO26000 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.hartzler.net (209.130.84.17) by mail01g.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.62s) with SMTP id 024096 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (zing.hartzler.home [127.0.0.1]) by zing.hartzler.home (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1SIQo906527; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:27:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:26:50 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: Robert Beatty cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Quality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 Well, if love is involved then other people's opinions won't mean much. I'd suggest shopping around -- it's worth savoring something like buying one's first bike. The idea here is to see what else is out there, and to be more clear on the final decision. That way the purchase is less likely to be the result of blind ignorance. Another issue is that perhaps a first bike might best be, well, a bit rattier. Many people drop their first bike at some point, and it's less painful to drop beater. Then there's the question of size. Some people find smaller/lighter bikes to be easier to handle while one is first putting all the pieces of street riding together. As for whether your friend is in fact getting off on the name, or the look, or the whatever, hopefully that doesn't matter to anyone but your friend. The key is to ride your own ride, and that process starts now. It doesn't really matter (hopefully) what most do or don't get off on, it only matters what your friend gets off on. Is it just me or is "get off" an unfortunate turn of phrase in this topic? -ph On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Robert "Who Let the Trolls Out" Beatty wrote: > I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser. > He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of an opinion > on Harleys. Can you please send your responses? > > I told him that most get off on the name and that I've heard that they > lack in quality. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 13:32:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h012.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1SIWVO26091 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 24824 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 10:32:24 -0800 Date: 28 Feb 2002 10:32:24 -0800 Message-ID: <20020228183224.24823.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 28 Feb 2002 18:32:24 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 28 Feb 2002 10:32:24 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: Website X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Thu, 28 February 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > chris w. and laura g.: fyi > i just checked the website to determine if any updates had > been made.... no updates yet...I believe chris is heading for a vacation next week and probably doesn't want to deal with it till he gets back...but they will be coming soon. 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And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 13:39:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SIdJO26191 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2a.dc.gov ([10.128.7.14]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020228183918.IYCB17656.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:39:18 -0500 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2a.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020228183918.QCHM3450.dcmail2a@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:39:18 -0500 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:37:48 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B795009027626986360185@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Bike Quality Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:39:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C087.51450400" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C087.51450400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser. He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. Personally I think a 1200 CC Harley would be too big for a beginner, and too expensive to repair. No matter how on-the-ball you are, there's going to be a lot of wear-and-tear on the clutch and starter, plus the chance of dropping it, parking it in a place where someone backs into it, etc. I'd recommend your friend buy a less powerful, less beautiful bike to start with, then move up to the Harley after having some experience. Just my opinion, though! Patti the Lantech '95 Virago 750 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C087.51450400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser. He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200.
 
Personally I think a 1200 CC Harley would be too big for a beginner, and too expensive to repair.  No matter how on-the-ball you are,  there's going to be a lot of wear-and-tear on the clutch and starter, plus the chance of dropping it, parking it in a place where someone backs into it, etc.  I'd recommend your friend buy a less powerful, less beautiful bike to start with, then move up to the Harley after having some experience.
 
Just my opinion, though!
 

Patti the Lantech
'95 Virago 750

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C087.51450400-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 13:43:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SIhaO26307 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g1SIhTO13979; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:43:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:43:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200202281843.g1SIhTO13979@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Bike Quality I had a friend & former coworker with a 1200 HD, and it fouled plugs mercilessly from day one. It got worse when he got drag pipes... He had to carry 4 spare plugs to make a day ride... OTOH, my v45 Magna, which I bought for 600 smackers 10 years ago never once fouled a plug... As always, ymmv HTH Dave Yates -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 14:11:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SJBQO26780 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-3.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.243]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1SJ7vo96732; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:07:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020228133648.03f89f78@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:09:10 -0500 To: "Robert Beatty" From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Bike Quality Cc: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:54 PM 2/28/2002, Robert Beatty wrote: >I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser. >He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of an opinion >on Harleys. Can you please send your responses? This is a religious matter, but I'll throw in my opinions anyway, since you asked: The Sportster 1200 is sort of a strange compromise. At $9,155 for an XL1200C, it's a pretty darned expensive starter bike. If you can afford to "learn on" (i.e. potentially drop) such a bike, then you can probably afford a Dyna Super Glide for $11,895. :-) Get the big twin, baby! Thank me later. ;-) If, OTOH, you come to your senses and see $9K as a lot for a student bike, get a used Japanese cruiser. They're a dime a dozen. I bought and sold a very nice 1500cc Kawasaki for under $4K in 2001. I used to own a 750 Virago, too; taught me a lot about riding cruisers. When you're done learning, you're not likely to lose a lot on re-sale, and you can go for that 2003 "100th Anniversary" hog. By the way, you might hate it, too, and your next bike might be a Ducati. >I told him that most get off on the name If your goal is to hang with the HD "culture", then be prepared to have your Sportster called a "half-a-Harley", a "Ladies' Harley", etc. Big Twins are Harleys, Sportsters are Sportsters, no kidding. (I don't feel this way, BTW, ... I'm just speaking from my experience.) >and that I've heard that they lack in quality. HD is an excellent product these days, IMO. That said, it's not as low-maintenance as a rice burner, either mechanically or cosmetically. HD's are all about evolution; either you get the appeal, or you don't. "Acquired taste" is as good a term as any to describe it. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 14:21:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14006.mail.yahoo.com (web14006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1SJLbO27039 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:21:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020228192135.13543.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:21:35 PST Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:21:35 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: MSF instructors To: Andrew Krajewski , Philip Sause Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mr. Krajewski is correct. None of my statements about the Maryland Motorcycle Program were correct. I stated that the fees increased and the requirement for minors to take the course came at about the same time. Mr. Krajewski pointed out that this statement is false, the two events did happen, but occurred approximately 10 years apart. I stated that the state of Maryland can't or won't issue a license for private motorcycle instruction, Mr Krajewski pointed out the the procedure for licensing first a school and approving a curriculum and second training and licensing instructors for the school are listed in the Maryland code and further clarified in COMAR. As Mr Grodsky and Mr Ryder pointed out in different messages it is possible (although no one has done it recently) to become licensed in Maryland for private motorcycle instruction. I also stated that the state of Maryland has painted itself into this corner. Neither paint nor corners are involved. I retract my statements. Leon Begeman. --- Andrew Krajewski wrote: > Leon: > > As a former instructor in the Maryland Motorcycle > Safety Program, your statements disappoint me. > None of your statements are acturate about the > Maryland Program. Also, weren't you and maybe still > are a Virginia instructor? > Maryland raised its course fee from $50 to $100 > because we no longer have dedicated funding. We are > required by law to cover the cost of the Program > from the money collected through miscellaneous fees. > The course fee is a miscellaneous fee. The under > 18 requirement was passed in the late 80's. The fee > was not increased until the late 90's. > > Our regulations allow private providers to become > part of the motorcycle safety effort. Private > providers (independent training centers) have been > allowed since 1985 when the Program started > training. In fact, we had a least four private > providers in the first few years of operation. > These private providers stopped training because the > profit margin was to small. > > Anytime you increase fees for an educational service > you must consider what it will do to the customers. > As you increase the fees, more and more individuals > elect not to participate in the courses. Currently, > it is costing the State approximately $160 to train > one individual. We are charging $100 for the basic > course. If we raise the fee to $160, a percentage > of the individuals will not seek training. Is that > good customer service? > > The Maryland Motor Vehicle Administration has not > painted itself into a corner. We will train > approximately 5,000 individuals this year. Yes, the > demand does exceed what we can deliver, but every > state that has a program and waives any part of the > licensing process has this problem. If we and the > other states drop the licensing wavier, the demand > will also drop. > > Is the Maryland Program the best in the country? Of > course not. No one knows what makes the best > Program. Every year during the first few weeks of > registration everyone complains because they did not > get the course and dates they wanted. Not everyone > who wanted to go to the Super Bowl got tickets to > the game. > > >>> Leon Begeman 02/27/02 > 11:09AM >>> > I'm a Virginia resident and have no affiliation with > the course, but didn't the Maryland fees double for > residents and increase from $100 to $150 about the > same time that Maryland made it mandatory for 18 y/o > to take the course? > > Perhaps it's time for a private instruction outfit > to > get involved. - - oh wait, that's illegal in > Maryland > they would need a business license that the state > won't/can't issue. > > It appears to me that the Government of the State of > Maryland has painted themselves into this corner. > > Leon Begeman > ZX6 > EX250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 14:36:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from grissom.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SJaWO27365 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by grissom.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g1SJcR713077 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:38:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:34:28 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:33:52 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Bike Quality Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1SJaXO27366 >>> Rob Winters "If your goal is to hang with the HD "culture", then be prepared to have your Sportster called a "half-a-Harley", a "Ladies' Harley", etc. Big Twins are Harleys, Sportsters are Sportsters, no kidding" You gotta love the Harley culture, Do they not wave to Sportsters also? One day when I am older, maybe I would consider a cruiser. Call me a commie but for my money something like a Honda VTX would get my vote. George Cole 01 FZ1 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 14:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SJkXO27577 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:46:29 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E51F@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Quality Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:46:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My .02 worth: Harleys are great bikes, I've never owned one but would definitely like to someday. It's just that virtually every performance factor that is important to me can be met by less expensive alternative which will also be cheaper to insure and maintain. The reliability question is generally anecdotal as I have met several riders who have had little or no maintenance problems with Harleys. Some of them don't even care about the different maintenance factors, considering it to be part of the experience. Your friend would definitely be buying into a culture as well as getting a bike. One thing to consider is does your friend have a garage? There's a reason you don't see Harley's just parked at the curb for very long, they are hot theft targets. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser. He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of an opinion on Harleys. Can you please send your responses? I told him that most get off on the name and that I've heard that they lack in quality. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 15:23:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SKNVO28316 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-14.patriot.net [209.249.181.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1SKNM522177; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:23:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7E9151.9B290461@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:21:37 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Beatty CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Quality References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8D57726ADE941EC45806E413" --------------8D57726ADE941EC45806E413 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Beatty wrote: > I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a > cruiser. He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of > an opinion on Harleys. Can you please send your responses? I told him > that most get off on the name and that I've heard that they lack in > quality. It's a crapshoot. I've heard many horror stories of jap bikes coughing guts, and the latest BMW probs with "surging" compounded by BMW's refusal to admit there's a problem is kind of a turn-off. My Harley, a big twin, coughed out the cam bearing at around 17K, an expensive cleanup and fix. But I'm keeping it. Have tools, will travel :-) I'm not sure I'd wanna take the Sportster on a long trip. Sportys do shake a lot. But he could buy an 883 Sporty brand new for around 6K. Same frame, and when he decides he needs more horseys he can upgrade to 1200cc for under a thousand. If he wants a decent cruiser - get a super glide. A lot smoother. My friend who is over 60 put more'n 30K on his in under two years, a pair of coast to coast trips and a few side trips. Tires and gas, and a new front wheel which was under warrenty - something about a faulty seal seat. Harley's strong resale is a plus. Bill --------------8D57726ADE941EC45806E413 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Robert Beatty wrote:

 I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser. He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of an opinion on Harleys. Can you please send your responses? I told him that most get off on the name and that I've heard that they lack in quality.


It's a crapshoot.  I've heard many horror stories of jap bikes coughing guts, and the latest BMW probs with "surging" compounded by BMW's refusal to admit there's a problem is kind of a turn-off.  My Harley, a big twin, coughed out the cam bearing at around 17K, an expensive cleanup and fix.  But I'm keeping it.  Have tools, will travel :-)

I'm not sure I'd wanna take the Sportster on a long trip.  Sportys do shake a lot.  But he could buy an 883 Sporty brand new for around 6K.  Same frame, and when he decides he needs more horseys he can upgrade to 1200cc for under a thousand.  If he wants a decent cruiser - get a super glide.  A lot smoother.  My friend who is over 60 put more'n 30K on his in under two years, a pair of coast to coast trips and a few side trips.   Tires and gas, and a new front wheel which was under warrenty - something about a faulty seal seat.  Harley's strong resale is a plus.

Bill
 
  --------------8D57726ADE941EC45806E413-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 15:39:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SKdnO28603 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g1SKdho29546; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:39:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:39:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200202282039.g1SKdho29546@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Bike Quality It's a crapshoot. I've heard many horror stories of jap bikes coughing guts, and the latest BMW probs with "surging" compounded by BMW's refusal to admit there's a problem is kind of a turn-off. ok, the BMW thing's been around for a while, but I'd like to hear the 'many horror stories of jap bikes coughing guts'... Maybe he should get a bike with 'panache'.... Gimer? ;-) Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 16:10:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11102.mail.yahoo.com (web11102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.149]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1SLACO29193 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:10:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020228211007.30506.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:10:07 PST Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:10:07 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Bike Quality To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200202282039.g1SKdho29546@atlanta.pop3now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, my Honda VTR1000 just coughed up its guts at around 28k despite regular maintenance. Is that specific enough? Having another motor put in shortly. So much for Honda reliability. No satisfaction through Honda USA either despite their vaunted customer service - too many miles they say. 28k is too many miles for a Honda?! F*** em all. Buy a Jawa. Chris Weaver --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > > It's a crapshoot. I've heard many horror stories of > jap bikes > coughing guts, and the latest BMW probs with > "surging" compounded by > BMW's refusal to admit there's a problem is kind of > a turn-off. > > ok, the BMW thing's been around for a > while, but I'd like to > hear the 'many horror stories of jap bikes coughing > guts'... > > Maybe he should get a bike with 'panache'.... > Gimer? ;-) > > Dave > > > > -- > Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your > email accounts! > Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 16:36:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1SLaBO29657 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:36:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020228213609.49807.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:36:09 PST Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:36:09 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bike Quality To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200202282039.g1SKdho29546@atlanta.pop3now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > > It's a crapshoot. I've heard many horror stories of jap > bikes > coughing guts, and the latest BMW probs with "surging" > compounded by > BMW's refusal to admit there's a problem is kind of a > turn-off. > > ok, the BMW thing's been around for a while, but > I'd like to > hear the 'many horror stories of jap bikes coughing > guts'... > > Maybe he should get a bike with 'panache'.... Gimer? > ;-) ahhh....panache! the x factor in bike purchasing.... i recommend buying a ducati for short trips--let's say 1-2 mile loops FROM the garage i recommend buying a harley for shorter trips--let's say 10-20 yard loops from the living room couch TO the garage and back -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 16:39:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from lmimailg.lmi.org ([198.3.128.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SLdxO29698 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by lmimailg.lmi.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <16ZJW39S>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:39:42 -0500 Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD6E7FAA@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cheap bike for sale - 81 CB750F Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:39:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C0A0.7336DC00" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C0A0.7336DC00 Content-Type: text/plain I've got a 81 CB750F with roughly 23K on the odometer. It has been sitting very lonely since I bought the 99 VFR. It needs new tires and a battery (heck, i'll buy go out and buy one).. The bike has had some maintenace, plugs and wires, frequent oil changes. It does burn a little oil, and probably needs some tlc. I've felt bad for hanging onto it all this time.. I think Chris Weaver has seen the bike for a reference (was a ways back, not sure if he even remembers!!) $500 includes new battery. Brian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C0A0.7336DC00 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cheap bike for sale - 81 CB750F

I've got a 81 CB750F with roughly 23K on the = odometer.  It has been sitting very lonely since I bought the 99 = VFR.  It needs new tires and a battery (heck, i'll buy go out and = buy one).. The bike has had some maintenace, plugs and wires, frequent = oil changes.  It does burn a little oil, and probably needs some = tlc.  I've felt bad for hanging onto it all this time.. I think = Chris Weaver has seen the bike for a reference (was a ways back, not = sure if he even remembers!!)  $500 includes new = battery.

Brian

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C0A0.7336DC00-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 16:45:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SLjYO29850 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:45:30 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E525@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Quality Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:45:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" LMAO! i recommend buying a ducati for short trips--let's say 1-2 mile loops FROM the garage i recommend buying a harley for shorter trips--let's say 10-20 yard loops from the living room couch TO the garage and back tg But long enough to get around the oil spill. :) Cedric From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 16:51:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SLpKO29982 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:51:20 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZcTmbJeKTop9cMFIwVde/V/UQee9EpE5kSOraJLtChN7AEypdweymPFJIcCpfQdRs= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16gYSN-0000o7-00; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:51:19 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" , Subject: RE: Bike Quality Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:49:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E525@NCEAEXCHANGE> Importance: Normal ah, but remember: Harley's don't *leak* oil, they just mark their territory. Cedric wrote: > > > > i recommend buying a harley for shorter trips--let's say > > 10-20 yard loops from the living room couch TO the garage > > and back > > tg > > But long enough to get around the oil spill. :) > Cedric > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 17:45:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net (mail-gw.ie.cw.net [204.70.128.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SMjmO01078 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ledford, Calvin" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" Subject: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:44:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All, I'd like to replace my current stock wind screen with one that provides a little more wind protection, while maintaining a "sporty" look. I did a search through the archive and found what appears to be 3 different vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa. I was wondering if listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about these different options. I saw some posts that the Secdems had problems fitting. I also don't care for how they show the different types on different model bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling for how each would look on my bike. Suggestions of where to purchase would be helpful too. Please CC my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest member. Thanks, -Calvin Ledford From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 17:51:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from libcom.com (libcomserver1.libcom.com [205.138.18.41] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SMpBO01188 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from a.user [205.138.22.103] by libcom.com (SMTPD32-7.04) id A57F502E0144; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:55:59 -0500 From: "David Ryder" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:52:44 -0500 Subject: Re: touring classes Reply-to: trigger@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B3AA@DCHQCLEXHQ> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: <200202281756261.SM01328@a.user> X-RBL-Warning: This E-mail has headers consistent with spam [4000020e]. X-RBL-Warning: This E-mail was sent from a mail server [No Reverse DNS] with no reverse DNS entry. X-Note: Declude On 28 Feb 02, at 15:52, Custer, Carl wrote: > Some people aren't born with an innate knowledge of all things motorcycle > related (as you must have been - congrats!) or they don't know anyone else > that they can have mentor them. Last time I checked in the local > classifieds, nobody was advertising in there to devote their free time to > teaching strangers the ins and outs of motorcycling. Thanks, Wayne. You're correct...there really isn't any place where one can learn the "facts of life" as they pertain to motorcycles, except either through experience (which takes time and can cost considerable money) or through a mentor. What Paul may not realize, being part of a motorcycle-specific community such as this, is that most motorcyclists learn, and then later ride, alone. People who congregate together in forums such as this, or ride in groups, are definitely the exception. We tend to take for granted that there's always someone around to whom we can direct questions. I can understand the way Paul feels...when I read the often (to me) inane questions asked in national motomagazine "Letters" sections, I find myself saying, "Gawd...how *can* this guy not KNOW this??" Then I remember, he probably doesn't subscribe to half a dozen email mailing lists and surround himself constantly with other riders, as I do. I live, eat, breathe, and sleep motorcycles, and so does my family. Hell, my KIDS can identify the make and model of a motorcycle better than most adults who ride. But I recognize that I'm an exception in our hobby. Most riders are casual hobbyists, riding less than 5K per year. And they usually do their learning alone. Believe it or not (and isn't this just horrifying?) most riders use their local dealerships as places of information. You know, the guys who work 6 days a week and don't have time to ride at ALL, if they even OWN a motorcycle. Those are the "experts" most riders rely on. Which is why the "Shafties can't countersteer" bait will almost always snag a few. The amount of misinformation available at most dealerships is scary. We feel that our classes provide information and training unavailable in any other venue...we designed TMA's curriculum to address what we felt was an obvious hole in the vast majority of riders' education process: that place between the advanced parking lot safety classes and the track-based performance courses. If this information was so readily available and "obvious", I would assume our phones would stay pretty quiet, but so far that hasn't been the case. (I'm not subscribed to this list...a friend who is keeps forwarding me your comments. If any of you would like to have a longer discussion, feel free to email me directly.) -- David Ryder The Motorcycle Academy http://www.motorcycleacademy.com 412/881-9442 --- --- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 18:05:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SN57O01449 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09164 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:05:06 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020228181427.0418d5b8@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:14:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Bike Quality Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:33 PM 2/28/02 -0600, you wrote: >You gotta love the Harley culture, Do they not wave to Sportsters also? You gotta love it when people generalize :-) I ride with a few Harley guys. 1 older Shovelhead and a couple of newer Evos. They all wave, they all like motorcycling and none of them 'look down' on any bike or biker. As a matter of fact, my one buddy who built the Shovelhead also has an older ZX10 Ninja he's had since it was new and he sold me my Eliminator. His wife rides an EX500. I've found that in this area, I receive about the same number of waves from both cruiser-types and non-cruiser types. It's rare when I'm certain someone has seen my wave that they will not wave back. I guess I'm just a 'glass half full' kind of person ;-) YMMV! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 18:07:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SN7TO01460 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09268 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:07:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020228181649.0418a41c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:16:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Bike Quality Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:39 PM 2/28/02 -0500, you wrote: > ok, the BMW thing's been around for a while, but I'd like to >hear the 'many horror stories of jap bikes coughing guts'... > >Maybe he should get a bike with 'panache'.... Gimer? ;-) > >Dave I know the early batch of ZX12s had problems, although not certain of the exact problem. Hayabusas had problems with the cam chain tensioner and cracking subframes. Just 2 right off the top of my head :-) Oh yeah, what about the rotary damper issue with the TL* Suzukis? -- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 18:07:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1SN7fO01470 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:07:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020228230740.87254.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:07:40 PST Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:07:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... To: "Ledford, Calvin" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii don't know about the screens....but i have an opinion as to one of the vendors: targa blows. went through a weeklong ordeal just to return a tank bra that didn't fit properly. they were kind enough to make me pay for shipping--twice! it seems they also didn't believe me about the fit problem. fuck 'em. --- "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > All, I'd like to replace my current stock wind screen > with one that > provides a little more wind protection, while maintaining > a "sporty" look. > > I did a search through the archive and found what > appears to be 3 > different vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa. I was > wondering if > listers would send me their comments - favorable or > otherwise about these > different options. I saw some posts that the Secdems had > problems fitting. > I also don't care for how they show the different types > on different model > bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling for how > each would look on my > bike. Suggestions of where to purchase would be helpful > too. > > Please CC my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a > digest > member. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 18:24:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g1SNOkO01773 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g1SNRmQ11435 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:27:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:22:43 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:22:11 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Bike Quality Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g1SNOmO01774 >>> Wayne Edelen 02/28/02 06:14PM >>> You gotta love it when people generalize :-) Well, I never wave to Hayabusas :o) My Point was that the Harley Purests don't even acccept their own kind sometimes. I heard that many won't accept the V-Rod. I think it's funny From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 18:31:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail-2.zoominternet.net (mail-2.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g1SNV3O01928 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27996 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 23:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zbzoom.net) ([24.154.83.183]) (envelope-sender ) by mail-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 28 Feb 2002 23:30:57 -0000 Message-ID: <3C7EBED0.3D0CCAB4@zbzoom.net> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:35:44 -0500 From: Terry Onufer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ledford, Calvin" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cal, for what it's worth, the guy I am buying the 99VFR from had a Givi, but changed back to the stock. He was 5'9, and said the wind hit him square in the head, and the stock was better. I can not speak from personal experience, but it is worth mentioning because this guy is bike nut. TJ "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > All, I'd like to replace my current stock wind screen with one that > provides a little more wind protection, while maintaining a "sporty" look. > > I did a search through the archive and found what appears to be 3 > different vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa. I was wondering if > listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about these > different options. I saw some posts that the Secdems had problems fitting. > I also don't care for how they show the different types on different model > bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling for how each would look on my > bike. Suggestions of where to purchase would be helpful too. > > Please CC my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest > member. > > Thanks, > > -Calvin Ledford > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 19:08:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.aopa2.org (mail.aopa2.org [208.27.40.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2108sO02612 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:08:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1140FCAD8F8E9A41B5234D738B6398B7661AC0@AOPAMAIL> From: System Attendant To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: ScanMail Message: To Recipient Match eManager setting and take ac tion. Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:08:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain **************** eManager Notification ***************** The following mail was blocked since it contains sensitive content. Source mailbox: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX(Thedc-cycleslistadministrator) Destination mailbox(es): dc-cycles@XXXXXX Rule/Policy: Profanity Action: Quarantine to C:\Program Files\Trend\SMCF\Quarantine\2002-02-28\19-08-27.63847 Content filter has detected a sensitive e-mail. ******************* End of message ********************* From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 19:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11502.mail.yahoo.com (web11502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g210NdO02869 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:23:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020301002338.32749.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.14] by web11502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:23:38 PST Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:23:38 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: ScanMail Message: To Recipient Match eManager setting and take ac tion. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1140FCAD8F8E9A41B5234D738B6398B7661AC0@AOPAMAIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, who has the Big Brother e-mail system at work? Glenn --- System Attendant wrote: > **************** eManager Notification > ***************** > > The following mail was blocked since it contains > sensitive content. > > Source mailbox: > dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX(Thedc-cycleslistadministrator) > Destination mailbox(es): dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Rule/Policy: Profanity > Action: Quarantine to C:\Program > Files\Trend\SMCF\Quarantine\2002-02-28\19-08-27.63847 > > Content filter has detected a sensitive e-mail. > > ******************* End of message ********************* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 19:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org ([66.160.20.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g210g3O03245 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:41:55 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E528@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: ScanMail Message: To Recipient Match eManager setting and tak e ac tion. Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:41:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" LOL! When this showed up on the CBR list about a year ago it ended up like a listserv version of Mailstorm with all the posts containing at least 4 instances of the F word in each sentence. Some of them grammatically correct :) Cedric -- OK, who has the Big Brother e-mail system at work? Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 19:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (kiri.meretrix.com [216.27.137.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g210rqO03459 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:53:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (harry@localhost) by kiri.meretrix.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g210lrl03617 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:47:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200203010047.g210lrl03617@kiri.meretrix.com> To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: ScanMail Message: To Recipient Match eManager setting and take ac tion. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:08:28 EST." <1140FCAD8F8E9A41B5234D738B6398B7661AC0@AOPAMAIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3615.1014943673.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:47:53 -0500 From: harry@XXXXXX >**************** eManager Notification ***************** > >The following mail was blocked since it contains sensitive content. > >Source mailbox: >dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX(Thedc-cycleslistadministrator) >Destination mailbox(es): dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Rule/Policy: Profanity ... Kudos to Tom Gimer for triggering the profanity filter at aopa.org with the phrase "fuck 'em". I suppose we can either try to clean up our language, or else unsubscribe the listers whose mail server is generating these messages. Fuck 'em. Problem solved. -harry From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 20:31:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.gdn.org (server.gdn.org [207.188.200.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g211VDO04096 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.188.200.69] ([207.188.200.69]) by server.gdn.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g211hum26826; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:43:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jsteele@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:31:08 -0500 To: From: Jeff Steele Subject: Re: Bike Quality Cc: "Robert Beatty" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" "Robert Beatty" wrote: > >I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser. >He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of an opinion >on Harleys. Can you please send your responses? > Since I'm in digest mode, I'm a little late weighing in on this. But, since I ride a Sportster, I feel compelled to offer an opinion. I agree with much that has been said. It is easier to learn on a smaller, lighter bike than a Sportster. It hurts less (emotionally) to drop a rat bike that doesn't cost much. At even entry level, Harley's are kind of expensive. All that said, if you want a Harley, you have to have a Harley. There is really no point in arguing about that unless you want to dwarf the helmet and oil threads combined (and make those look like civilized bastions of tolerance). While not the best starter bike, the Sportster is adequate for a beginner and certainly many people have started on one. As someone mentioned, a 883 can be punched out to a 1200 cheaper than the price difference between the two new. If money is an issue, your friend might want to go that route. You should point your friend to http://www.sportster.org/ . There is a ton of information about Sportsters and a "swap meet" section on which several Sportsters are for sale. Your friend can probably find a 883 for less than $6000 which wouldn't be a bad starter bike and would still be a Harley. Sportster.org also has a great mailing list. I have to say that I love my Sportster. Its great fun to ride, though maybe not as smooth as some other options. The Sportster has a great history, going back to 1957 and is the longest continually produced bike in existence. The fact that the Sportster is a true classic is part of its appeal (at least to me). The bike is easy to work on and required maintenance is on par with other bikes (and better than those with chains). A great number of Sportster owners do have problems with oil leaks, especially from the rocker boxes. Others never have a problem. The guy who had to change plugs four times in a single ride had a carb problem which probably could have been an easy fix. That's certainly not an inherent problem. Jeff '99 XLH Sportster 883 Hugger -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 20:39:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g211d6O04214 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-14.patriot.net [209.249.181.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g211b2512861; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:37:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7EDAD6.2C753A49@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:35:18 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bernescut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Quality References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E525@NCEAEXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > LMAO! > > i recommend buying a ducati for short trips--let's say 1-2 > mile loops FROM the garage > > i recommend buying a harley for shorter trips--let's say > 10-20 yard loops from the living room couch TO the garage > and back > tg > > But long enough to get around the oil spill. :) > Cedric There you guys go with the Harley tales. I wish my Hawg would leak oil, might keep the cheesy single p;ate crome from rusting! Outside of commuting, my loops are like RT to Baton Rouge LA, and last falls trek to the Outer Banks via MI and TN, a small 2700 miler before returning to port. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 20:43:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g211hYO04292 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-14.patriot.net [209.249.181.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g211hT514235; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:43:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7EDC5A.FAE65722@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:41:46 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Cole CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, wayne@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Quality References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Cole wrote: > >>> Wayne Edelen 02/28/02 06:14PM >>> > You gotta love it when people generalize :-) > > Well, I never wave to Hayabusas :o) > > My Point was that the Harley Purests don't even acccept their own kind sometimes. I heard that many won't accept the V-Rod. > > I think it's funny Somewhat true. I know a few H-D types who call the 883 a "Harley Lite" and consider it a girly bike. Like what in hell's wrong with GIRLZ! Bring `em on! I never wave to Hayabusas either - damn thangs go by to fast! Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 20:44:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g211irO04312 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12978 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:44:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020228205413.01064c10@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:54:19 -0500 To: From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Bike Quality Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:22 PM 2/28/02 -0600, George Cole wrote: > >>>> Wayne Edelen 02/28/02 06:14PM >>> >You gotta love it when people generalize :-) > > >Well, I never wave to Hayabusas :o) Ouch ;-) >My Point was that the Harley Purests don't even acccept their own kind sometimes. I heard that many won't accept the V-Rod. > >I think it's funny I know, just giving you a hard time, George. My point was that we shouldn't pigeon-hole Harley riders as these elitist bungholes who only care about big cubic inch V Twins. Oh yeah, fuck 'em (for the profanity filter) :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 21:01:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.147]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2121qO04650 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from vaio ([68.49.202.82]) by femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020301020145.BUDR23554.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@vaio> for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:01:45 -0800 Reply-To: From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: RE: Bike Quality Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:01:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C7E9151.9B290461@patriot.net> If reliability and build quality are the main concerns, check out the latest MCN. The Triumph owners survey showed some very solid numbers. -James -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:22 PM To: Robert Beatty Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Quality Robert Beatty wrote: I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser. He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of an opinion on Harleys. Can you please send your responses? I told him that most get off on the name and that I've heard that they lack in quality. It's a crapshoot. I've heard many horror stories of jap bikes coughing guts, and the latest BMW probs with "surging" compounded by BMW's refusal to admit there's a problem is kind of a turn-off. My Harley, a big twin, coughed out the cam bearing at around 17K, an expensive cleanup and fix. But I'm keeping it. Have tools, will travel :-) I'm not sure I'd wanna take the Sportster on a long trip. Sportys do shake a lot. But he could buy an 883 Sporty brand new for around 6K. Same frame, and when he decides he needs more horseys he can upgrade to 1200cc for under a thousand. If he wants a decent cruiser - get a super glide. A lot smoother. My friend who is over 60 put more'n 30K on his in under two years, a pair of coast to coast trips and a few side trips. Tires and gas, and a new front wheel which was under warrenty - something about a faulty seal seat. Harley's strong resale is a plus. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 21:41:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g212fFO05215 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p52.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.52]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g212fDcd017002 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:41:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: ScanMail Message: To Recipient Match eManager setting and take ac tion. Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:40:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c1c0ca$977a8380$3481c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <200203010047.g210lrl03617@kiri.meretrix.com> Importance: Normal Kudos to Tom Gimer for triggering the profanity filter at aopa.org with the phrase "fuck 'em". OF COURSE ;-) it was Gimer... He has panache :-0 I suppose we can either try to clean up our language, SHYEAH! or else unsubscribe the listers whose mail server is generating these messages. wonder who's address it is ??? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 21:59:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g212xkO05501 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (01-084.068.popsite.net [64.24.81.84]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 51CD61C75BB; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:59:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002301c1c0cd$64c5d540$54511840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Subject: new wind screen Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:01:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, A cheaper and temporary but totally effective alternative to a whole new screen is a Rifle brand wind deflector. It's like a bug deflector for a bike's wind screen. It attaches to the top of the screen, and deflects air above the rider's head. I see them a lot on dual-sport type bikes, which are crap for wind deflection. Or, if you want to change the thing bad enough, there are wind screens with a lip on the edge that points up, deflecting air like a Rifle deflector, or try a Double bubble screen maybe? I can only say stay away from Competition Accessories. They suck. They charged my credit card for a tail trunk bag that was back ordered for over 2 months. Customer service reps on the phone were completely worthless, feeding me BS constantly about "just wait a little longer" type comments, when it was totally obvious after the fact that they were clueless when or even if I would ever get my bag. I can't say enough bad things about how my business was handled. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 22:04:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2134YO05607 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.86.173327a4 (4587) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:04:26 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <86.173327a4.29b049b9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:04:25 EST Subject: Re: Bike Quality To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_86.173327a4.29b049b9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_86.173327a4.29b049b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George.Cole@XXXXXX writes: > Well, I never wave to Hayabusas :o) > > My Point was that the Harley Purests don't even acccept their own kind > sometimes. I heard that many won't accept the V-Rod. > > I think it's funny But George, Aren't you the same guy who said a Concours could never pass a VFR? :) And Eye Abuser rides don't wave because they are too scared to let go of that missile...LOL Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 (ex Connie rider...RIP) --part1_86.173327a4.29b049b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George.Cole@XXXXXX writes:

Well, I never wave to Hayabusas :o)

My Point was that the Harley Purests don't even acccept their own kind sometimes. I heard that many won't accept the V-Rod.

I think it's funny


  But George, Aren't you the same guy who said a Concours could never pass a VFR?  :)
And Eye Abuser rides don't wave because they are too scared to let go of that missile...LOL

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9  (ex Connie rider...RIP)

 --part1_86.173327a4.29b049b9_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 23:26:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f65.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g214QoO06805 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:14:54 -0800 Received: from 68.48.87.207 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 04:14:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.48.87.207] From: "Rob Keiser" To: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:14:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 04:14:54.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3CFF0E0:01C1C0D7] Calvin, Don't know about the Targa's, but I've seen a Secdem and it looks like crap (rough cut lower edge and shit brown color tint) and with the Givi flip up at the top, you just killed your sporty edge (IMHO). I tried hard to get a tinted OEM one from overseas, but didn't have any luck, and also didn't want to pay the obscene amount to have one imported from Japan. I ended up going for a Zero Gravity Double Bubble tinted one. The fit and finish was first rate and it installed in just a few minutes. Best place I've seen to get it, Arizona Motorsports with the VFR list discount: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/zergravdoubb.html As always: YMMV, no affiliation, yadda yadda yadda Let me know if you'd like to see it. Rob '98 Red From: "Ledford, Calvin" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" Subject: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:44:52 -0500 All, I'd like to replace my current stock wind screen with one that provides a little more wind protection, while maintaining a "sporty" look. I did a search through the archive and found what appears to be 3 different vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa. I was wondering if listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about these different options. I saw some posts that the Secdems had problems fitting. I also don't care for how they show the different types on different model bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling for how each would look on my bike. Suggestions of where to purchase would be helpful too. Please CC my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest member. Thanks, -Calvin Ledford _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 28 23:37:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g214bCO07027 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:37:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.6f.234eb231 (4587) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:36:36 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6f.234eb231.29b05f53@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:36:35 EST Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6f.234eb231.29b05f53_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_6f.234eb231.29b05f53_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit robkeiser@XXXXXX writes: > I ended up going for a Zero Gravity Double Bubble tinted one. > The fit and finish was first rate and it installed in just a few minutes. > I'll second Rob's opinion On the Double Bubble. I'm currently using the V2 Speedscreen from Lockhart on my ZX-9. I think both are excellent choices IMHO... Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 --part1_6f.234eb231.29b05f53_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit robkeiser@XXXXXX writes:

I ended up going for a Zero Gravity Double Bubble tinted one. 
The fit and finish was first rate and it installed in just a few minutes.

    I'll second Rob's opinion On the Double Bubble. I'm currently using the V2 Speedscreen from Lockhart on my ZX-9. I think both are excellent choices IMHO...

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9
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