From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 08:11:11 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 08:12:20 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: New Harley Racing Effort At 10:32 PM 1/30/01 -0500, Bruce Brownlee wrote: >Ahh, the great american past-time.... Harley Bashing... :-) No Harley bashing here, they are a great business success story. >HDI, for the latest quarter (ended sep 2000), recorded net sales of >$538mil on motorcycles vs. $176mil on parts and accessories, general >merchandise and 'other'. for the 9 months ending the same period, >they had $1.7bil in motorcycle sales and $462mil in P&A, Merch and >Cost of goods sold was $474mil and $1.4bil for the whole company >(respectively) but i cant really tell you how much 'they made' off >of each. Your figures are, of course, quite correct. What your figues do not show is the profit margins. Yes, gross sales on bikes is way more than merchandize, but the net profits on merchandize is greater on the other stuff. And, of course, all other motorcylce makers market clothing, and there is nothing wrong with that. I have a nice Honda sweatshirt. >i was at daytona about 6 years ago when the VR1000 premiered. The VR1000 actually premiered nine years ago at Daytona in '91, I was racing at Daytona then, and there was a lot of interest in the machine, as well their should have been. The VR has physically existed since '88 in various test models & assemblies. For those of us intimately involved in following racing equipment development is has always struck us odd how long it has taken Harley to develop the machine. This time lag, compared to the other makers, clearly indicates a lack of will on the part of the company. They have the money, the techical ability, and the interest on the part of the fans. It just is not a priority with them. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 08:37:23 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: tightsqueezeracing@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 08:37:13 -0500 I think this sounds like fun. I'm in! Rob '98 VFR800 >Second, I've been thinking about doing a bike night at the Go-Kart >track near Walney and Rt 28 in VA. (Near LG's house.) It would be a >ride your bike, bring your kid/SO, drive some go-karts kind of affair. >All proceed would go to the I.R.F. > >Would the DC Cycles members be interested in something like this? I >don't know when it would be, especially with the season getting ready >to start. > >Thanks, >===== >Steve Clark >'99 Suz SV 650 - WERA #16, CCS #239, MARRC #2352 >Sponsors: http://www.FastLaneCycles.com > http://www.RamMC.net <- Carbon Fiber Bodywork > >*** Win $5000 and help an injured rider *** >http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/Raffle.htm _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 09:57:18 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:57:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video floating around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three guys with video setups on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video online. Anyone have a link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 10:22:23 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:22:19 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Little Fairing FS To: DCC Cc: eruschei@XXXXXX One of those lightly tinted plastic windscreens that attaches to the handle bars. Similar to a Slipstreamer. 17 inches from headlight to top of screen, ~15" wide. $50 o.b.o. contact eruschei@XXXXXX (not me) if interested. Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:06:26 2001 From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: DCC Subject: FS: '96 Triumph T-Bird Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:01:45 -0500 For Sale: 1996 Triumph Thunderbird 900cc Triple Black, Less than 9K miles, Garage kept, only 1 owner Accessories: Center Stand, Tank Pads, Grab Rail, Luggage Rack, Chrome Radiator Cover $4,500/neg. Pics available on request Locale: Annapolis, MD Reason: Want a new 1200 Bandit; She-who-must-be-obeyed says somethin's gotta go first. Call (202)942-3376 days/(410)280-2310 evenings or email gmyles@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:10:26 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 11:09:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Today's post - DC tickets http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10455-2001Jan31.html Typical of the DC DMV/Parking/Traffic Court The story is about an old woman that received parking tickets for two cars she does not own. She has been wandering the DMV halls in search of a fix. "Finally, after I spent about five days there, they told me I should just pay the tickets and get it over with," Edens said. =========== Having tried to fight three bad parking tickets in the district - I found a solution. I stay the hell out of DC. =========== ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:16:44 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: "'Troutman'" Cc: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:16:07 -0500 http://207.250.219.128/ The full length one is awesome. I use it as my screen saver; my coworkers want to know why I keep leaning over in my chair. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video floating around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three guys with video setups on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video online. Anyone have a link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:23:31 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 11:22:32 -0500 To: Cedric Bernescut From: Troutman Subject: RE: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? Cc: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" At 11:16 AM 2/1/01, Cedric Bernescut wrote: >http://207.250.219.128/ >The full length one is awesome. I use it as my screen saver; my coworkers >want to know why I keep leaning over in my chair. >Cedric That is the Deal's Gap One - no one have a Thornton's Gap? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:23:43 2001 From: "Han Park" To: Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:18:04 -0500 Anyone try the Red Bull energy drink (the guys that sponsor all the European bike teams?). I found some in the drink frig today and now I'm bouncing off the walls. Anyways, this link, http://www.motorcycle-dk.com/ will take you to this German R-1 rider's site where he has some awesome videos of him zooming around various towns and tracks in Europe (including Nurberring ). Very cool, but not for the bandwidth challenged. Download it at work in the background, burn it on a cd and watch it on your home PC. han ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:57 AM Subject: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? > The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video floating > around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three guys with video setups > on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video online. Anyone have a > link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to > do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and > the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:37:07 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 11:36:02 -0500 Mike, Try this: http://www.dealsgap.com/misc.html Rob '98 VFR 800 >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? >Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:57:05 -0500 > >The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video floating >around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three guys with video setups >on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video online. Anyone have a >link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > >There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to >do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and >the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:39:27 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:38:39 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Today's post - DC tickets On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Troutman wrote: > =========== > Having tried to fight three bad parking tickets in the district - I found a > solution. I stay the hell out of DC. > =========== > Don't stay out of DC just rack up a few parking tickets then get some new license plates and do it again. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 12:48:09 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Today's post - DC tickets Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:47:59 -0500 Hmmm...I wonder what would happen to someone who got a parking ticket, oh say 17-18 years ago, but still has the same tag on a different bike? Perry >From: Hugh Caldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Today's post - DC tickets >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:38:39 -0800 (PST) > snip > Don't stay out of DC just rack up a few parking tickets >then get some new license plates and do it again. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 13:06:38 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 13:06:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Today's post - DC tickets At 12:47 PM 2/1/01, Perry Coleman wrote: >Hmmm...I wonder what would happen to someone who got a parking ticket, oh >say 17-18 years ago, but still has the same tag on a different bike? My father received a collections notice 12 years after committing a parking offense in SW DC. At the time, he was still active duty Coast Guard and had Tennessee plates. He had long since sold the car and changed plates. He never paid it. Eventually they quit writing him. I was in a deli in NE once. Parked 10 feet from the corner and 20 feet from the metro bus stop in the one legal spot near the deli. Ran in, picked up a to-go order that was called ahead, ran back out to find a ticket already under the windshield and no parking man in sight. Must have been a record - easily under 60 seconds. Tried to fight that one. Ever see Goodfellas? F**k you - pay me. (censored to suit list nannies) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 13:55:29 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 13:54:36 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: Cc: I downloaded it. HUGE file but, pretty good video. I downloaded it from www.dealsgap.com. Go to Other and Videos. It's the 62mb file at the top. I could e-mail it to you but, it would probably take forever for you to get. Enjoy. BTW, you really should change the web addy you have for posting to the list. We haven't been dc-cycles@XXXXXX for a while now. It's dc-cycles@XXXXXX. I don't know hoiw much longer your e-mails will make it through using the old one. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 1 Feb 2001 9:59:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, Troutman writes: << The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video floating around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three guys with video setups on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video online. Anyone have a link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 14:06:05 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:01:10 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: Subject: Lunch Rides If anyone from the list works around the Georgetown/DuPont/GW triangle and wants to do some lunch time rides, please contact me off list. Also getting off work @ 3pm and would like to ride until sunset. Those interested in either ride please contact me off list. Onur Bethesda, MD '84 Magna V30 "Rocky" From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 14:17:20 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:12:38 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: "Onur Topac" , Subject: Re: Lunch Rides >Also getting off work @ 3pm and would like to ride until sunset. Tomorrow that is...... Onur Bethesda, MD '84 Magna V30 "Rocky" From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 14:34:10 2001 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:33:58 EST Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: << pretty good video >> Anyone interested in making our own 211/hooligan video's? :) Steve Broadstreet From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 14:53:22 2001 From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'SBave@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:51:31 -0500 I'll pass, thanks. The last fast group ride I took on 211 got rerouted onto 911 after the guy in front of me lost it on a curve. Y'all have fun. Greg "Scratch" Myles Forum Host, Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Riders Forum http://www.delphi.com/mmrf/start -----Original Message----- From: SBave@XXXXXX [mailto:SBave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:34 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: << pretty good video >> Anyone interested in making our own 211/hooligan video's? :) Steve Broadstreet From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 14:59:59 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:59:53 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX hey, does anyone know what the codec for this video is. i can hear it, it sure sounds like fun! --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I downloaded it. HUGE file but, pretty good video. > I downloaded it from www.dealsgap.com. Go to Other > and Videos. It's the 62mb file at the top. I could > e-mail it to you but, it would probably take forever > for you to get. Enjoy. BTW, you really should > change the web addy you have for posting to the > list. We haven't been dc-cycles@XXXXXX for a > while now. It's dc-cycles@XXXXXX. I don't > know hoiw much longer your e-mails will make it > through using the old one. > > Scooter > > In a message dated Thu, 1 Feb 2001 9:59:57 AM > Eastern Standard Time, Troutman > writes: > > << The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's > Gap video floating > around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three > guys with video setups > on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video > online. Anyone have a > link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > There is an evil tendency underlying all our > technology - the tendency to > do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - > Robert Pirsig, Zen and > the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance > > > >> > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 15:09:50 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 15:09:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? At 09:57 AM 2/1/01, Troutman wrote: >The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video floating >around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three guys with video setups >on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video online. Anyone have a >link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) Re-reading my post, I now realize that it looks like I was requesting any on-like MC videos. In fact, I have the DG video (and many other cool ones). What I am looking for is on-bike video of the 211 Thornton's Gap / Skyline interchange. Last time I was up there, two guys with helmet cams on an RC51 and GSXR went hauling by. I do believe that video would put the Deal's Gap video to shame :-o Kept meaning to make my own this year. Doubt it would be as exciting, but the camera can play funny tricks on your eyes when it comes to speed! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 16:42:38 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: front end stand needed Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:42:39 -0500 Looking for a front end stand to hold up my CBR600F3 while I take off the front wheel. If anyone has a used one for sale or a recommendation for an inexpensive new one let me know. Thanks in advance. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA > " Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 17:00:34 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:00:26 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: Cedric Bernescut , "'Troutman'" Cc: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > http://207.250.219.128/ > The full length one is awesome. I use it as my screen > saver; my coworkers want to know why I keep leaning over > in my chair. one word: goosebumps i haven't done any spirited cornering since late nov./early dec. and this video was quite enjoyable > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:57 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? > > > The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video > floating around. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 17:07:14 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:07:14 -0500 You can download this freeware and turn it (as well as others) into a screen saver. Cedric http://downloads.mediadna.zdnet.com/info/com.zdnet_downloads_000G6T_000G6T.h tml?se=ink one word: goosebumps i haven't done any spirited cornering since late nov./early dec. and this video was quite enjoyable From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 18:16:02 2001 To: Cedric Bernescut CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: front end stand needed Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:15:46 -0500 In your message dated: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:42:39 EST, your pithy ruminations on were: => Looking for a front end stand to hold up my CBR600F3 while I take off the => front wheel. If anyone has a used one for sale or a recommendation for an => inexpensive new one let me know. Thanks in advance. I don't have a front end stand...in fact, I don't think there's one for my bike! Whenever I need to remove the front wheel, I do the following: secure an "eye bolt" (or pair) at ground level. These can be screwed into the base framing of a garage. If you don't have a garage, but have a car (or similar heavy weight :), you can screw the bolts (3"x3/8") into a 6' 2x6, placing them about 3' apart. Put the board on the ground, park the car on top, so that both bolts are accessible. Aternatively, the towing "eyes" found under the bumper of a car could be used directly. back the bike up to the bolts put the bike on the center stand (you have a center stand, rightr? :) attach tie-downs from the passenger grab rail to the eyebolts put weight (youself, your SO) on the seat of the bike, lowering the rear wheel to the ground and elevating the front wheel tighten the tie downs if the bike isn't high enough to remove the front wheel, put some boards (~1" high) under the center stand If you want to "borrow" my driveway--with the 6"x5/8" eyebolt sunk into the concrete...just ask! Mark "I wish I had a real garage again" Bergman => Cedric => 1996 CBR600F3 => Annandale, VA => => > " Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." => > -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 18:37:49 2001 From: Brian Roach To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: front end stand needed Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:40:27 -0500 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Thu, 01 Feb 2001, bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > I don't have a front end stand...in fact, I don't think there's one for my > bike! While I know your bike doesn't have downtubes/forks, does it not have a steering head that a pitbull front stand can pin into and lift the bike? - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 19:09:55 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Brian Roach Cc: Dale Horstman , Mark Kitchell , eschelzig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Va. House May Rescind Helmet Law Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 19:11:41 -0800 The insurance carriers probably decided to throw some money around to the policitians... no helmet laws = 1> cheaper pay out and 2>smoke and mirors reason to raise rates. Probably financial issue and they don't care about lives in the least. .......... is the root of all evil? From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 20:18:12 2001 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 20:17:50 EST Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_f.f5839cf.27ab64be_boundary In a message dated 2/1/2001 11:30:15 Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > That is the Deal's Gap One - no one have a Thornton's Gap? > Not yet - I will have one this summer (as soon as I get the sound to record without gobs of wind noise) Michael J. --part1_f.f5839cf.27ab64be_boundary In a message dated 2/1/2001 11:30:15 Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX
writes:

That is the Deal's Gap One - no one have a Thornton's Gap?

Not yet - I will have one this summer (as soon as I get the sound to record
without gobs of wind noise)

Michael J.

--part1_f.f5839cf.27ab64be_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 21:12:12 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:10:03 -0500 Subject: Front Stands X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,8-10,12,14,16 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Check out the Pit Bull stands at Fast Lane Cycles. You can't (or shouldn't) use a front stand without first using a rear stand. If you do, it will almost certainly fall over. You put it up on the rear, then the front. If you get some, get the front with the mechanical linkage adapter. It is much easier to use than the other, and it can be used two different ways. Ask for Rick and tell him you saw it on DC Cycles. He might give you a bigger discount. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 21:59:21 2001 From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: Moto-Clothes Alterations? Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:53:59 -0500 I have a friend who is among the inseam-challenged. He has a Courda suit that fits perfectly except that the legs are about 4 inches too long. The suit has a full lining and zippers at the cuffs. He's looking for a place to have it altered but would like recommendations before putting his gear at risk. So if anyone has had this kind of thing done, let me know where. -James From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 07:27:43 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Dccycles2" Subject: Kill the Groundhog! Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:28:25 -0500 6 more weeks of winter? I say we kill the little bastard! Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 08:40:44 2001 From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'Gary Foreman'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List , Dccycles2 Subject: RE: Kill the Groundhog! Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:39:17 -0500 Yeah, but let's do it AFTER this rather good-looking weekend riding weather we're expecting. Greg "Scratch" Myles Forum Host, Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Riders Forum http://www.delphi.com/mmrf/start -----Original Message----- From: Gary Foreman [mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:28 AM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List; Dccycles2 Subject: Kill the Groundhog! 6 more weeks of winter? I say we kill the little bastard! Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 09:26:40 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:26:30 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Today's post - DC tickets To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX The magic number here is three. After three tickets they put you on their "hot list". Even if your car is parked legally they sometimes grab people that have more then three unpaid tickets. So change those license plates!!! Glenn --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Troutman wrote: > > > =========== > > Having tried to fight three bad parking tickets in > the district - I found a > > solution. I stay the hell out of DC. > > =========== > > > Don't stay out of DC just rack up a few parking > tickets > then get some new license plates and do it again. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 09:28:02 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Moto-Clothes Alterations? Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:27:45 -0500 If it's an Aerostich, they do alterations. Prices do not seem unreasonable given the work involved. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: James Reazor To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:53 PM Subject: Moto-Clothes Alterations? > I have a friend who is among the inseam-challenged. He has a Courda suit > that fits perfectly except that the legs are about 4 inches too long. The > suit has a full lining and zippers at the cuffs. He's looking for a place to > have it altered but would like recommendations before putting his gear at > risk. So if anyone has had this kind of thing done, let me know where. > > -James > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 09:46:41 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:46:27 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Moto-Clothes Alterations? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX maybe we could get a few v-twins together and help your friend with his inseam problem --- James Reazor wrote: > I have a friend who is among the > inseam-challenged. He has a Courda suit > that fits perfectly except that the legs are about 4 > inches too long. The > suit has a full lining and zippers at the cuffs. > He's looking for a place to > have it altered but would like recommendations > before putting his gear at > risk. So if anyone has had this kind of thing done, > let me know where. > > -James > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 10:07:36 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:07:29 -0800 (PST) From: e w Subject: Route 211 Moto Video? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'll have to pass on the 211 video as well. The last fast ride on the mountain left my friend in the hospital and me in church the next day. -Ed __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 10:11:22 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:10:57 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: Cc: OK, I downloaded the program but, it doesn't seem to work on RealMedia files, which is what the Deals Gap video is. Anyone got a way to convert a RealMedia file to an MPEG or other format? Anyone find a similar program that will work with RealMedia files? Scooter In a message dated Thu, 1 Feb 2001 5:08:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, Cedric Bernescut writes: << You can download this freeware and turn it (as well as others) into a screen saver. Cedric http://downloads.mediadna.zdnet.com/info/com.zdnet_downloads_000G6T_000G6T.h tml?se=ink one word: goosebumps i haven't done any spirited cornering since late nov./early dec. and this video was quite enjoyable >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 10:22:20 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:16:32 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: dccycles2@XXXXXX CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Apologies... Things to remember - when guests visit for a long weekend, NEVER let amatuers dink with your computor. Obviously, the buggers didn't practice the net version of safe-sex and my poor computer caught an STD - one of those cute ones that keeps on *giving* by attaching to my emails and screwing over my addy book. Sorry for the distress caused, thanx to Mike Troutman for giving me a heads up that I had a bug. Damn thing is dead now - had to format the C drive and start from scratch to get rid of the fucker. That wuz a Royal Pain In The Ass (RPITA) Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 10:59:04 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:58:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! To: dccycles2@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Mailing List --- Gary Foreman wrote: > 6 more weeks of winter? I say we kill the little > bastard! When Chekov saw the long winter, he saw a winter bleak and dark and bereft of hope. Yet, we know that winter is just another step in the cycle of life. But standing here amongst the people of Punxsutawney and basking in the warmth of their hearths and hearts, I couldn't imagine a better fate than a long .. and lustrous winter. -- tg __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 11:21:05 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:21:00 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > When Chekov saw the long winter, he saw a winter bleak and > dark and bereft of hope. Yet, we know that winter is just > ... You're weird! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 11:22:50 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Apologies... Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:22:37 -0500 Bill, Did rebuilding your system include installing a good anti-virus scanner? Of course, you also need to keep the signature files up to date. Most AV vendors post updates weekly. If you don't want to hassle with installations and updates, check out MCAFEE.COM. They have a service for home users to keep you protected for something like $30-40 per year. When you consider how much time and hassle is involved in cleaning up after a virus infection, it's not that much money to spend. Perry p.s. No, I don't work for McAfee, but I am familiar with their products. >From: "William J. Huson" >To: dccycles2@XXXXXX >CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List >Subject: Apologies... >Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:16:32 -0500 > >Things to remember - when guests visit for a long weekend, NEVER let >amatuers dink with your computor. Obviously, the buggers didn't practice >the net version of safe-sex and my poor computer caught an STD - one of >those cute ones that keeps on *giving* by attaching to my emails and >screwing over my addy book. > >Sorry for the distress caused, thanx to Mike Troutman for giving me a heads >up that I had a bug. Damn thing is dead now - had to format the C drive >and start from scratch to get rid of the fucker. That wuz a Royal Pain In >The Ass (RPITA) > >Bill > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 11:44:45 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:44:31 -0500 He plagiarized "Groundhog Day" with Bill Murray... ;^) Perry >From: Hugh Caldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:21:00 -0800 (PST) > >On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > When Chekov saw the long winter, he saw a winter bleak and > > dark and bereft of hope. Yet, we know that winter is just > > ... > > You're weird! >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 11:47:07 2001 From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:45:53 -0500 That's a riff from "Groundhog Day" if I'm not mistaken, Hugh. My favorite line: "Don't drive angry!" -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell [mailto:twg@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 11:21 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > When Chekov saw the long winter, he saw a winter bleak and > dark and bereft of hope. Yet, we know that winter is just > ... You're weird! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 11:49:12 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:43:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Perry Coleman CC: dccycles2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Apologies... Yeppers. My non-updated Norton missed the bug and I loaded McAfee and found the bug but it couldn't be "cleaned" so I bagged the whole system and loaded McAfee in as part of the restocking. Probably update the *new* McAfee this evening. Bill Perry Coleman wrote: > Bill, > > Did rebuilding your system include installing a good anti-virus scanner? Of > course, you also need to keep the signature files up to date. Most AV > vendors post updates weekly. > > If you don't want to hassle with installations and updates, check out > MCAFEE.COM. They have a service for home users to keep you protected for > something like $30-40 per year. > > When you consider how much time and hassle is involved in cleaning up after > a virus infection, it's not that much money to spend. > > Perry > > p.s. No, I don't work for McAfee, but I am familiar with their products. > > >From: "William J. Huson" > >To: dccycles2@XXXXXX > >CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List > >Subject: Apologies... > >Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:16:32 -0500 > > > >Things to remember - when guests visit for a long weekend, NEVER let > >amatuers dink with your computor. Obviously, the buggers didn't practice > >the net version of safe-sex and my poor computer caught an STD - one of > >those cute ones that keeps on *giving* by attaching to my emails and > >screwing over my addy book. > > > >Sorry for the distress caused, thanx to Mike Troutman for giving me a heads > >up that I had a bug. Damn thing is dead now - had to format the C drive > >and start from scratch to get rid of the fucker. That wuz a Royal Pain In > >The Ass (RPITA) > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 12:04:30 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:04:26 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! I stand by my previous statement. On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Perry Coleman wrote: > He plagiarized "Groundhog Day" with Bill Murray... ;^) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 12:35:01 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:34:57 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: The Groundhog Froze To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Having spent the majority of my winter here St. Paul, Minnesota, I can think of thousands of better alternatives to a "long .. and lustrous winter." Don't get me started. Current temp = -10 "bitter with some sun" Adam Reinhardt The snow loses its luster when it never goes away __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 12:53:13 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 12:54:23 -0500 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles , DCCycles2 Subject: Renthal sprockets FYI... Just thought y'all might want to know that it is now going to be much more difficult to get Renthal sprockets at discounted prices. Apparently, Renthal has struck some sort of new distribution deal (with Parts Unlimited, I think). A lot of places that used to carry Renthal sprockets (e.g., Chaparral, Dennis Kirk) are phasing them out (or at least a significant part of the Renthal line). For example, I ordered a 15t front and 44t rear from Chaparral for my GSXR750 in mid-January. I talked to Chaparral today and the front is never going to materialize because they've been discontinued by Chaparral (shades of the Garmin GPS III+ at Office Depot!) The rear is (was, I actually cancelled my order) on terminal backorder (and would also probably never materialize). Dennis Kirk (who I know has a policy of price matching) isn't carrying Renthal anymore. Pricing at Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse is actually more expensive than buying them at a local shop (in this case, Crossroads Cycles). I guess Renthal didn't like the fact that I used to be able to buy both the front and rear sprockets from Chaparral for not much more than what everyone else is now selling just the rear sprocket for! BTW, anyone have any other sources for buying Renthal sprockets at a discount??? If not, I guess I'll just get them from Denny at Crossroads. Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 12:57:04 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 12:56:54 -0500 Hugh, I didn't disagree with you... ;^) Perry p.s. Just kidding, TG! Really!! >From: Hugh Caldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:04:26 -0800 (PST) > > > I stand by my previous statement. > >On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > He plagiarized "Groundhog Day" with Bill Murray... ;^) > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 13:12:44 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:12:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Apologies... On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Perry Coleman wrote: > Did rebuilding your system include installing a good anti-virus > scanner? Of course, you also need to keep the signature files up to > date. Most AV vendors post updates weekly. Shoot, you can do better than that. Read your mail with UNIX! :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 13:35:36 2001 From: "Jeannette_Zell" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: OH...MY...GOD Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:46:59 -0500 I just took Big Red out for a spin. WHY haven't I done for about two months!!?? OMG, I forgot how much I love riding. Somebody slap me! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 13:41:08 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:40:59 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: OH...MY...GOD To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX if I don't get the thunder lizard rolling by sunday, y'all are going to read about me in the paper, cuz im gonna go POSTAL unless I can start riding again congratulations, Jeannette, on re-balancing your priorities. I don't understand people who quit riding for good. Are they just a hoax, or do they really exist? --- Jeannette_Zell wrote: > I just took Big Red out for a spin. > WHY haven't I done for about two months!!?? > OMG, I forgot how much I love riding. > Somebody slap me! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 14:12:00 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:11:51 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Kirk Roy cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Apologies... Why would I want to read my mail with a bunch of castrated men when I can read it from among the trees using Pine? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Kirk Roy wrote: > On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Perry Coleman wrote: > > Did rebuilding your system include installing a good anti-virus > > scanner? Of course, you also need to keep the signature files up to > > date. Most AV vendors post updates weekly. > > Shoot, you can do better than that. Read your mail with UNIX! :) > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 14:29:10 2001 From: "Jeannette_Zell" To: "Justin Stefanon" , Subject: Re: OH...MY...GOD Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:57:27 -0500 LOL, well, the husband keeps telling me when I get pregnant that we're going to take my bike apart and put it up!!! : ( NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Somebody, please, set him straight! ; ) - Jeannette http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Stefanon" To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: OH...MY...GOD > if I don't get the thunder lizard rolling by sunday, > y'all are going to read about me in the paper, cuz im > gonna go POSTAL unless I can start riding again > > congratulations, Jeannette, on re-balancing your > priorities. I don't understand people who quit riding > for good. Are they just a hoax, or do they really > exist? > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 14:33:06 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:33:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: AMA finally makes a release To: DC-Cycles The AMA finally made a public comment about the conditions behind former President Thornton's retirement / removal. http://www.ama-cycle.org/releases/a01007.html They point out that they do not publicly comment on personnel matters. But since this had to do with their president, someone who represents the whole association, they should have come clean sooner (IMHO). However, I am glad that once they learned of the problem, they did something about it, and not tried to cover it up like with their previous problems. Screw-ups do happen. Mistakes do happen. It's how those situations are handled that shows how good/bad the organization itself is. This time I'd give them a "Fair." They got rid of him, but kept quiet. Louis __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 14:52:23 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 13:48:10 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? For those of you that are not Bandwidth challenged ( I am ) Here is a site with lots o' MC videos. http://www.bikepics.com/bikemovies/ Cheers, George Cole 00 VFR 99 R6 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 15:27:19 2001 Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:07:03 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 02/02/2001 03:06:40 PM Yeah that is a friend of mine's site. I am sure he would like it if you joined and uploaded photos of you bikes. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX "George Cole" .bcop.com> cc: Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? 02/02/2001 02:48 PM For those of you that are not Bandwidth challenged ( I am ) Here is a site with lots o' MC videos. http://www.bikepics.com/bikemovies/ Cheers, George Cole 00 VFR 99 R6 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 15:43:33 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:43:26 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Apologies... On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Morris Berman wrote: > Why would I want to read my mail with a bunch of castrated men when I > can read it from among the trees using Pine? You want those guys around because they've got nothing better to do than to make sure you don't pick up a virus. This message was penned in the PINE. I try to stay away from elm, I think I'm allergic... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 16:19:27 2001 From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:19:11 EST Subject: Re: OH...MY...GOD To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_39.1021e071.27ac7e4f_boundary Simple solution.....DON'T get pregnant. It's worked for me so far. lol Now if I could just AFFORD a motorcycle. :o( Onur, you still got that 750? --part1_39.1021e071.27ac7e4f_boundary Simple solution.....DON'T get pregnant.  It's worked for me so far.  lol  Now
if I could just AFFORD a motorcycle.  :o(  Onur, you still got that 750? --part1_39.1021e071.27ac7e4f_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 16:40:46 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:40:41 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: OH...MY...GOD To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX didn't you know that motorcycles cause pregnancy? actually,it's an indirect relationship. empirically observed by me, that i get more when my bike is running. merely reiterating the correct choice of wife, I suppose. --- RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote: > Simple solution.....DON'T get pregnant. It's worked > for me so far. lol Now > if I could just AFFORD a motorcycle. :o( Onur, you > still got that 750? > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 16:59:43 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:59:38 -0500 Subject: more groundhog Freeverse from unknown.... It is winter The groundhog sees a shadow It is the front tire of my truck There will be six more weeks of winter But not for the groundhog -- "Civilization can nly begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 17:20:20 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:14:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Matthew Patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more groundhog Matthew Patton wrote: > > "Civilization can nly begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud > Oh, dear me, Sigmond Freud was into bondage? Hey, learm sumpin new every day... Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 19:04:51 2001 From: "deus exMachina" To: , Subject: DC Ride Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:05:04 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C08D4B.0D17C8A0 Hey people.. I've been on the list for a few months, thanks to Corbin who I met through some friends.. I went on a couple of good rides too and met Brian, Laura and a few other folks.. I remember a little while back some talk of a bike night in dc.. I've been living here for a couple of years and ride all around town. I've had my bike knocked over once myself and re-ended a taxi.. I know alot of riders who never enter the city cause of various reasons, but for any off season riders who would venture into dc I can suggest a few places where parking and traffic wouldn't be a problem. Depending on how much space you're looking for there are a few places that would accomodate a group of almost any size.. I like to ride so I could meet pretty much anywhere but if people are interested I'll throw a couple maps on a response mail and plan a short route, on good road, around dc for those who would like to ride too. So.. If I get 1 or 38 responses I can make it a go. Washington really is a pretty town to ride in if you're willing to get yourself in.. I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and depending on how the response goes maybe we won't need that much space and we could talk about another location downtown.. The weather's not looking so great for the next bit, but maybe next weekend we could make something happen. Respond private or public.. all riders welcome.. Trevor K1 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C08D4B.0D17C8A0
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I've=20 been on the list for a few months, thanks to Corbin who I met through = some=20 friends..  I went on a couple of good rides too and met Brian, = Laura and a=20 few other folks..  I remember a little while back some talk of a = bike night=20 in dc..  I've been living here for a couple of years and ride all = around=20 town.  I've had my bike knocked over once myself and re-ended a=20 taxi..  I know alot of riders who never enter the city cause of = various=20 reasons, but for any off season riders who would venture into dc I can = suggest a=20 few places where parking and traffic wouldn't be a = problem.
 
Depending on how much space you're looking for there are a few = places=20 that would accomodate a group of almost any size..  I like to ride = so I=20 could meet pretty much anywhere but if people are interested I'll throw = a couple=20 maps on a response mail and plan a short route, on good road, around dc = for=20 those who would like to ride too.  So..  If I get 1 or 38 = responses I=20 can make it a go.  Washington really is a pretty town to ride in if = you're=20 willing to get yourself in..
 
I'll=20 suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and depending on how the = response=20 goes maybe we won't need that much space and we could talk about another = location downtown..  The weather's not looking so great for the = next bit,=20 but maybe next weekend we could make something = happen.
 
Respond private or public..  all riders=20 welcome..
 
Trevor
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C08D4B.0D17C8A0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 19:40:27 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:40:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Aaron S. Ward" To: deus exMachina cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Ride Yeah I'm up for a ride no matter what (new to area and only for about 1 month) Aaron __________________________________________________________________________ Aaron S. Ward ward@XXXXXX Whatever happens, remember it's the journey, not the destination From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 19:47:57 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:47:37 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: Matthew Patton cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more groundhog Hmm... http://ushotstuff.com//wg/GroundhogSmp.htm *burp* ObMoto: I'm thinking of buying one of those pre-fab sheds to make a small shop/garage out of, to make simple bike maintenance easier, and maybe to house a second bike... Has anyone gone this route, and if so (or not), any advice would be welcome... TIA, Pete. On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Matthew Patton wrote: > Freeverse from unknown.... > > It is winter > The groundhog sees a shadow > It is the front tire of my truck > There will be six more weeks of winter > But not for the groundhog > -- > > > "Civilization can nly begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud > > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > Powered by Outblaze > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 20:13:31 2001 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:13:04 EST Subject: Re: more groundhog To: pete@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX pete@XXXXXX writes: << I'm thinking of buying one of those pre-fab sheds to make a small shop/garage out of, to make simple bike maintenance easier, and maybe to house a second bike >> Hey Pete, I have a 2 car garage and one of those sheds. The shed is great, just get a good floor and foundation. I have my boy's quad and dirtbike in the shed...this spring I'm going to run power out there for lights and such. I guess what I'm saying after all this rambling is I think the shed would work great! :) Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 21:09:07 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:03:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: SBave@XXXXXX CC: pete@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more groundhog SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > pete@XXXXXX writes: > > << I'm thinking of buying one of those pre-fab sheds to make a small > shop/garage out of, to make simple bike maintenance easier, and maybe to > house a second bike >> Check your local zoning codes and those annoying "covenents". Methinks a shed less than 100 square feet is a no-call in fairfax co. And remember the law - "Junk acumulates to fill the space available." If you don't believe it, I have a 650 sq ft garage and a two car carport, all my cars & trucks sleep outside. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 3 12:02:38 2001 Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:58:32 -0800 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX From: Gerry McMahon Subject: Fw: Attention Motorcycle Riders and Owners Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --=====================_4862950==_.ALT Hi Guys, Thought I would pass this along in case you are interested ... if not press the delete key. Gerry EPA Pushes California Emission Standards Nationwide In November 2000, the Environmental Protection Agency signaled its intention to adopt California's emissions standards -- the strictest in the country -- and apply them nationwide to all motorcycles -- street and off-road. Among the new controls on the drawing board ways to stop motorcyclists from customizing the look, sound and performance of their machines. Combating new, questionable emission controls on street bikes may emerge as the leading federal issue to be tackled in Washington by the Motorcycle Riders Foundation and its co-partners, State Motorcyclists' Rights Organizations (SMROs) nationwide. "Given that California has recently put in place technologically challenging standards for [large displacement street] motorcycles in a time frame that we would likely consider for a possible federal program, we are likely to look very closely at the pros and cons of harmonizing the federal program and whether the California standards are appropriate for a nationwide federal program," the agency wrote in its November Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (ANPR) which appeared again in the Federal Register December 7th. The move follows two years of technical talks between EPA and industry. In those talks, however, the topic never strayed from bikes in the woods to bikes on the highway. According to several industry sources close to the off-road technical talks with EPA, street bikes were added as a bargaining chip. The Sierra Club had filed suit against EPA, seeking new restrictions on off-road vehicle emissions sooner rather than later. Having exceeded the deadline for action set in the legal wrangling, EPA returned to the negotiating table to seek more time to achieve new off-road emission standards. Sierra Club acquiesced to the agency's bid for more time when the hope of tighter controls on highway motorcycles were tossed in to sweeten the deal. The first step to new, tougher emission standards, EPA's ANPR reads like a regulator's wish list catalytic converters, new controls on the smallest of motorcycle makers and ways to prevent or prohibit motorcyclists from customizing their rides. Wary of motorcyclists' desire to improve the look, sound and performance of our bikes through improvements to exhaust and other systems -- a practice it terms "tampering" -- EPA is researching strategies to "mitigate this problem." EPA is concerned that "standards which result in the widespread use of catalytic converters will achieve less benefits than projected due to consumer tampering with the exhaust systems. The agency will solicit comment on "the magnitude of these consumer practices" and ways to stop it -- either by device, prohibitions or both. EPA also seeks to control the smallest of motorcycle makers. With small-volume American motorcycle manufacturers spreading, to our delight, like micro-breweries, EPA questions the appropriateness of the current federal definition of small business as applied to small-volume bike makers. The agency's interest here is hardly academic it wishes to impose the same, California-style controls on all motorcycles, period, regardless of the small number of bikes produced. Meanwhile, the European Union has pressed for a two-tier reduction in motorcycle emissions in 2002 and 2006. Citing new developments in injection technology, MRF's European ally, the Federation of European Motorcycle Associations (FEMA), reports that many of the motorcycles sold in Europe may meet the new requirements without a closed-loop catalytic converter (or "cat"). In this country, however, with its advance notice littered with mentions of the device, it's clear that EPA is a cat lover. MRF and FEMA share profound concerns about cats on motorcycles, among them More Cats, More Pollution? In Europe, the average journey length for an automobile is 20 kilometers. At that point, a cat is up to operating temperature (a nominal 800 degrees Fahrenheit). The average journey length for a bike in Europe is far less. With a cat operating at colder temperatures, the result is more harmful emissions, not less. All This...For a Fraction of a Percent? MRF advances motorcycling as a safe, sound and exhilarating transportation alternative to cars, and Americans are responding by buying and using motorcycles like never before. Nevertheless, our bikes cover a tiny fraction of the miles racked up by passenger cars, making the contribution to pollution by highway motorcycles a tiny fraction of a percent. In 1997, cars, light trucks and SUVs accumulated 2.4 trillion vehicle miles traveled. Of the 5.1 million highway motorcycles operating in 1998, the Motorcycle Industry Council estimates, the average bike clocked just 2,613 miles that year. In short, we rode just .55% of the miles driven by cars, light trucks and SUVs. During the regulatory proceedings that led to California's stricter emission standards, the California Air Resources Board estimated that the average emission level generated by in-use highway motorcycles was .96 grams of hydrocarbons per mile. Expressed as a function of the number of motorcycles registered at the time of that debate, street bikes emitted six one-thousandths of one percent of the emissions generated by all on-road motor vehicles -- hardly justification for costly devices that strangle American motorcycles, hike prices for consumers, threaten small business, chill the burgeoning motorcycle after-market and limit if not eliminate riders' freedom to customize our rides. Important Things to Keep in Mind. Public comments must be received by EPA not later than February 5, 2001. If you, as an individual and as an SMRO, submit your comments, you will be part of the debate that will stretch through the Summer of 2001. Public comments should contain sound technical arguments. Rhetoric and name-calling will not move the debate in the direction you want it to go. According to the court decree, the EPA Administrator must sign the new standards not later than September 14, 2001. Keep in mind that the court decree requires new standards on off-road vehicles only. Technical talks between EPA and makers have focused solely on off-road vehicles for two years. Street riders have not been given that period of time for involvement, much less study and consultation. Federal highway motorcycle emissions haven't changed in 23 years, but if it's time to consider a change, it's time to give our community the time to study it. Study the advanced notice. The summary is attached below. You can obtain HTML or PDF versions at the Federal Register on-line by pointing your browser to the following site, http//www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html and then, using the search function there, find the December 7, 2000, document titled "Control of Emissions From Non-road Large Spark Ignition Engines, Recreational Engines (Marine and Land-Based), and Highway Motorcycles." Know the other chess player EPA's mandate is not to obtain a new standard that many might agree is "reasonable." EPA's mandate is to obtain the maximum gain possible considering technology and cost. BREAK THE CHOKE-HOLD! 1. FIRST, ASK CONGRESS FOR HELP. Write a letter to your Congressman and two U.S. Senators immediately to inform them of this situation and to ask for their help. Let them know you are concerned that a choke-hold on highway motorcycles is being rushed into place, and you need their support to help break the choke-hold. Use your own words or borrow as much as you'd like from this alert, but send the letters now. 2. SECOND, SEND YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS TO EPA. In all correspondence, refer to Docket A-2000-01, the "Control of Emissions From Non-road Large Spark Ignition Engines, Recreational Engines (Marine and Land-Based), and Highway Motorcycles." a. BY MAIL. Send paper copies of written comments (in duplicate if possible) to Margaret Borushko, U.S. EPA, National Vehicle and Fuels Emission Laboratory, 2000 Traverwood, Ann Arbor, MI 48105; Telephone: (734) 214-4334, Fax: (734) 214-4050, e-mail: borushko.margaret@XXXXXX b. VIA E-MAIL. E-mail comments to nranprm@XXXXXX'' In your correspondence, refer to Docket A-2000-01 . 3. THIRD, TRIPLE YOUR VOICE. Send this alert to 3 other riders you know. Urge them to send their comments AND join MRF by calling 202-546-0983. We will need all the help we can get to break the choke-hold. -- **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http//www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml] [Federal Register: December 7, 2000 (Volume 65, Number 236)] [Proposed Rules] [Page 76797-76829] From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov] [DOCID:fr07de00-20] [[Page 76797]] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY 40 CFR Parts 86, 94, 1048 and 1051 [FRL-6907-6] Control of Emissions From Nonroad Large Spark Ignition Engines, Recreational Engines (Marine and Land-Based), and Highway Motorcycles AGENCY: Environmental Protection Agency. ACTION: Advance notice of proposed rulemaking. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMARY: With this advance notice of proposed rulemaking (ANPRM), we are continuing with our process of establishing standards for nonroad engines and vehicles that cause or contribute to air pollution. The ANPRM addresses nonroad engines and vehicles that have yet to be regulated by EPA, including: Large spark ignition (SI) engines such as those used in forklifts and airport tugs; Recreational vehicles using spark ignition engines such as off-highway motorcycles, all-terrain vehicles, and snowmobiles; and Recreational marine diesel engines and marine spark ignition sterndrive and inboard engines. These engines and vehicles contribute to ozone, carbon monoxide (CO), and particulate matter (PM) nonattainment. We are also concerned in some cases about personal exposure to high levels on CO, air toxics, and PM to persons operating or close to this equipment. With this ANPRM, we invite early input to the process to establishing standards and programs for these nonroad sources. We are also seeking comment on whether EPA should pursue rulemaking to establish more stringent emissions standards for highway motorcycles. While standards are in place for highway motorcycles, the current standards were established more than twenty years ago. Since off-highway motorcycles are included this ANPRM as part of nonroad recreational vehicles, we believe it may be appropriate to consider standards for both types of motorcycles together. --=====================_4862950==_.ALT Hi Guys,

Thought I would pass this along in case you are interested ... if not press the delete key.

Gerry


EPA Pushes California Emission Standards Nationwide

In November 2000, the Environmental Protection Agency signaled its
intention to adopt California's emissions standards -- the strictest in the country
-- and apply them nationwide to all motorcycles -- street and off-road.
Among the new controls on the drawing board ways to stop motorcyclists from
customizing the look, sound and performance of their machines.

Combating new, questionable emission controls on street bikes may emerge
as the leading federal issue to be tackled in Washington by the Motorcycle
Riders Foundation and its co-partners, State Motorcyclists' Rights
Organizations (SMROs) nationwide.

"Given that California has recently put in place technologically challenging
standards for [large displacement street] motorcycles in a time frame that
we would likely consider for a possible federal program, we are likely to
look very closely at the pros and cons of harmonizing the federal program and
whether the California standards are appropriate for a nationwide federal
program," the agency wrote in its November Advance Notice of Proposed
Rulemaking (ANPR) which appeared again in the Federal Register December 7th.

The move follows two years of technical talks between EPA and industry.
In those talks, however, the topic never strayed from bikes in the woods to bikes on the highway. According to several industry sources close to the off-road technical talks with EPA, street bikes were added as a bargaining chip. The Sierra Club had filed suit against EPA, seeking new restrictions on off-road vehicle emissions sooner rather than later. Having exceeded the deadline for action set in the legal wrangling, EPA returned to the negotiating table to seek more time to achieve new off-road emission standards. Sierra Club acquiesced to the agency's bid for more time when the hope of tighter controls on highway motorcycles were tossed in to sweeten the deal.

The first step to new, tougher emission standards, EPA's ANPR reads like a regulator's wish list catalytic converters, new controls on the smallest of motorcycle makers and ways to prevent or prohibit motorcyclists from customizing their rides.

Wary of motorcyclists' desire to improve the look, sound and performance of
our bikes through improvements to exhaust and other systems -- a practice
it terms "tampering" -- EPA is researching strategies to "mitigate this
problem." EPA is concerned that "standards which result in the widespread
use of catalytic converters will achieve less benefits than projected due to
consumer tampering with the exhaust systems. The agency will solicit
comment on "the magnitude of these consumer practices" and ways to stop it --
either by device, prohibitions or both.

EPA also seeks to control the smallest of motorcycle makers. With
small-volume American motorcycle manufacturers spreading, to our
delight, like micro-breweries, EPA questions the appropriateness of the current
federal definition of small business as applied to small-volume bike makers.

The agency's interest here is hardly academic it wishes to impose the same,
California-style controls on all motorcycles, period, regardless of the small
number of bikes produced.

Meanwhile, the European Union has pressed for a two-tier reduction in
motorcycle emissions in 2002 and 2006. Citing new developments in injection
technology, MRF's European ally, the Federation of European Motorcycle
Associations (FEMA), reports that many of the motorcycles sold in Europe
may meet the new requirements without a closed-loop catalytic converter (or
"cat").

In this country, however, with its advance notice littered with mentions of the device, it's clear that EPA is a cat lover. MRF and FEMA share profound concerns about cats on motorcycles, among them More Cats, More Pollution?

In Europe, the average journey length for an automobile is 20 kilometers. At
that point, a cat is up to operating temperature (a nominal 800 degrees Fahrenheit). The average journey length for a bike in Europe is far less.
With a cat operating at colder temperatures, the result is more harmful
emissions, not less.

All This...For a Fraction of a Percent?

MRF advances motorcycling as a safe, sound and exhilarating transportation
alternative to cars, and Americans are responding by buying and using
motorcycles like never before. Nevertheless, our bikes cover a tiny fraction
of the miles racked up by passenger cars, making the contribution to
pollution by highway motorcycles a tiny fraction of a percent. In 1997, cars, light trucks and SUVs accumulated 2.4 trillion vehicle miles traveled. Of the 5.1 million highway motorcycles operating in 1998, the Motorcycle Industry Council estimates, the average bike clocked just 2,613 miles that year. In short, we rode just .55% of the miles driven by cars, light trucks and SUVs.

During the regulatory proceedings that led to California's stricter emission standards, the California Air Resources Board estimated that the average emission level generated by in-use highway motorcycles was .96 grams of hydrocarbons per mile. Expressed as a function of the number of motorcycles
registered at the time of that debate, street bikes emitted six one-thousandths of one percent of the emissions generated by all on-road motor vehicles -- hardly justification for costly devices that strangle American motorcycles, hike prices for consumers, threaten small business, chill the burgeoning motorcycle after-market and limit if not eliminate riders' freedom to customize our rides.

Important Things to Keep in Mind.
Public comments must be received by EPA not later than February 5, 2001.
If you, as an individual and as an SMRO, submit your comments, you will be
part of the debate that will stretch through the Summer of 2001. Public comments should contain sound technical arguments. Rhetoric and name-calling will not move the debate in the direction you want it to go.

According to the court decree, the EPA Administrator must sign the new
standards not later than September 14, 2001.

Keep in mind that the court decree requires new standards on off-road vehicles only. Technical talks between EPA and makers have focused solely on off-road vehicles for two years. Street riders have not been given that period of time for involvement, much less study and consultation. Federal highway motorcycle emissions haven't changed in 23 years, but if it's time to consider a change, it's time to give our community the time to study it.

Study the advanced notice.

The summary is attached below.

You can obtain HTML or PDF versions at the
Federal Register on-line by pointing your browser to the following site,
http//www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html and then, using the
search function there, find the December 7, 2000, document titled
"Control of Emissions From Non-road Large Spark Ignition Engines, Recreational Engines (Marine and Land-Based), and Highway Motorcycles."

Know the other chess player
EPA's mandate is not to obtain a new standard that many might agree is "reasonable." EPA's mandate is to obtain the maximum gain possible considering technology and cost.

 BREAK THE CHOKE-HOLD!
 1. FIRST, ASK CONGRESS FOR HELP. Write a letter to your Congressman and two U.S. Senators immediately to inform them of this situation and to ask for their help. Let them know you are concerned that a choke-hold on highway motorcycles is being rushed into place, and you need their support to help
break the choke-hold. Use your own words or borrow as much as you'd like from this alert, but send the letters now.

 2. SECOND, SEND YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS TO EPA. In all correspondence, refer to Docket A-2000-01, the "Control of Emissions From Non-road Large Spark Ignition Engines, Recreational Engines (Marine and Land-Based), and Highway Motorcycles."

 a. BY MAIL. Send paper copies of written comments (in duplicate if possible) to
 Margaret Borushko, U.S. EPA, National Vehicle and Fuels Emission Laboratory,
 2000 Traverwood, Ann Arbor, MI 48105; Telephone: (734) 214-4334, Fax: (734) 214-4050,
 e-mail: borushko.margaret@XXXXXX

 b. VIA E-MAIL. E-mail comments to nranprm@XXXXXX''
 In your correspondence, refer to
 Docket A-2000-01
 .
 3. THIRD, TRIPLE YOUR VOICE. Send this alert to 3 other riders you know.

 Urge them to send their comments AND join MRF by calling 202-546-0983. We
 will need all the help we can get to break the choke-hold.
 --
 **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107,
 any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use
 without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest
 in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and
 educational purposes only.[Ref. http//www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml]

[Federal Register: December 7, 2000 (Volume 65, Number 236)]
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ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY

40 CFR Parts 86, 94, 1048 and 1051

[FRL-6907-6]

 
Control of Emissions From Nonroad Large Spark Ignition Engines,
Recreational Engines (Marine and Land-Based), and Highway Motorcycles

AGENCY: Environmental Protection Agency.

ACTION: Advance notice of proposed rulemaking.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

SUMMARY: With this advance notice of proposed rulemaking (ANPRM), we
are continuing with our process of establishing standards for nonroad
engines and vehicles that cause or contribute to air pollution. The
ANPRM addresses nonroad engines and vehicles that have yet to be
regulated by EPA, including: Large spark ignition (SI) engines such as
those used in forklifts and airport tugs; Recreational vehicles using
spark ignition engines such as off-highway motorcycles, all-terrain
vehicles, and snowmobiles; and Recreational marine diesel engines and
marine spark ignition sterndrive and inboard engines.
    These engines and vehicles contribute to ozone, carbon monoxide
(CO), and particulate matter (PM) nonattainment. We are also concerned
in some cases about personal exposure to high levels on CO, air toxics,
and PM to persons operating or close to this equipment. With this
ANPRM, we invite early input to the process to establishing standards
and programs for these nonroad sources.
    We are also seeking comment on whether EPA should pursue rulemaking
to establish more stringent emissions standards for highway
motorcycles. While standards are in place for highway motorcycles, the
current standards were established more than twenty years ago. Since
off-highway motorcycles are included this ANPRM as part of nonroad
recreational vehicles, we believe it may be appropriate to consider
standards for both types of motorcycles together.


 --=====================_4862950==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 3 14:31:48 2001 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:31:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! To: Perry Coleman , twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX ahhhh, WINTER, slumbering in the open air, carries on its breath a dream ... of spring. ciao! --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Hugh, > > I didn't disagree with you... ;^) > > Perry > > p.s. Just kidding, TG! Really!! > > > >From: Hugh Caldwell > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! > >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:04:26 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > I stand by my previous statement. > > > >On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > > > He plagiarized "Groundhog Day" with Bill Murray... > ;^) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 3 17:36:21 2001 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:35:13 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitri Pappa Subject: Re: Apologies... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Did rebuilding your system include installing a good anti-virus scanner? Of >course, you also need to keep the signature files up to date. Most AV >vendors post updates weekly. False sense of security. The updates are posted *after* x virus has run amuck for a few days. Besides, it feels like I'm giving the bulley my lunch money.. When you buy a computer, install the software yourself. Keep a copy of your important stuff on floppy, or buy a cd burner ($150). If something does happen, you'll be back in action in a day or less. I haven't been hit with a virus for the past 4 years with no protection. It's mostly from common sense. Sorry for the OT. Pet peeve of mine.. Dmitri __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 4 19:38:47 2001 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: A Guinness Record? Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:38:32 -0500 Have to share a smile -- *Somehow* got involved with de-linting the hook patches of the velcro on the 'Stitch and boots -- and came up with a pile that would have done Rapunzel proud. (Just ran a small, skinny nail around the hooks and picked off what came up -- black fuzz and threads lurked in abundance.) Popping flaps no more? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> bolted, not hooked Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 4 23:03:05 2001 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:02:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: More VA bike/car tax news http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26312-2001Feb4.html RICHMOND, Feb. 4 M-^V The General Assembly's confrontation with Gov. James S. Gilmore III (R) over car-tax relief intensified today as the Senate Finance Committee voted to freeze the tax cut in midstream, propelling the entire legislature along a collision course with the executive. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 4 23:35:02 2001 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:34:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: American Motorcyclist WVA Article For those of you fellow AMA members - have you read the Ride Guide to West Virginia in the February American Motorcyclist? I have ridden several of the roads mentioned, and they do a great job of describing how fun the state can be. They have some info on the website : http://www.amadirectlink.com/magazine/2001/rideguide/wvguide.htm I will see if I can scan the article in and post it for those that didn't see a copy. I'd love to plan a weekend ride through the state this Spring. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 4 23:36:21 2001 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:35:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Article is online already.... On the WV article - I didn't notice this link the first time through. The complete article : http://www.amadirectlink.com/magazine/2001/story2feb.html _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 06:45:06 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 06:39:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: mobacc CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: A Guinness Record? Wow! You must be... erm... so proud :-) Bill mobacc wrote: > Have to share a smile -- *Somehow* got involved with de-linting the hook > patches of the velcro on the 'Stitch and boots -- and came up with a pile > that would have done Rapunzel proud. (Just ran a small, skinny nail around > the hooks and picked off what came up -- black fuzz and threads lurked in > abundance.) Popping flaps no more? > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> bolted, not hooked > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 08:02:15 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: The poetic meanderings of Gimer Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:01:56 -0500 What are you SMOKING....wait, never mind. I already know... > From: Tom Gimer > > ahhhh, WINTER, slumbering in the open air, carries on its > breath a dream ... of spring. ciao! From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 08:06:44 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: My Bros Place As Venue Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:06:26 -0500 This is a good suggestion for intown meeting. My Brothers Place is located near CapHill and another mainstay, Murphys Irish Pub. It's a dive but....it's easy to find in D.C.. I think they even serve Sam Adams, so Glenn Dysart can show up too ;-) T > From: "deus exMachina" > > Hey people.. > > I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and depending on how the response > goes maybe we won't need that much space and we could talk about another > location downtown.. The weather's not looking so great for the next bit, > but maybe next weekend we could make something happen. > > Respond private or public.. all riders welcome.. > > Trevor From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 08:46:05 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 05:45:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DC Ride To: deus exMachina , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX Hi Deus: That is a great idea...a ride/bike night in DC with those of us who are comfortable (or actually LOVE) riding in DC. DC at night on a warm summer night can be a really wonderful ride. My favorites section are cruising by the monuments and the Kennedy Center on Rock Creek, bombing through the tunnel under the capital, and jetting up 18th Street through Adams Morgan. Another bar idea (I think we should mix it up) is Asylum. Asylum is DC's only real biker bar, with little bit of parking on 18th Street and even a video camera to watch your bike while you are at the bar. WARNING: Asylum is a dive! Punk/goth atmosphere but very friendly and relatively cheap for Adams Morgan. Chuck and I are organizing a Bike Night for DC later this year but I like the idea of a smaller group doing something like this. Let me know if you need any help. Mark --- deus exMachina wrote: > Hey people.. > > I've been on the list for a few months, thanks to > Corbin who I met through > some friends.. I went on a couple of good rides too > and met Brian, Laura > and a few other folks.. I remember a little while > back some talk of a bike > night in dc.. I've been living here for a couple of > years and ride all > around town. I've had my bike knocked over once > myself and re-ended a > taxi.. I know alot of riders who never enter the > city cause of various > reasons, but for any off season riders who would > venture into dc I can > suggest a few places where parking and traffic > wouldn't be a problem. > > Depending on how much space you're looking for there > are a few places that > would accomodate a group of almost any size.. I > like to ride so I could > meet pretty much anywhere but if people are > interested I'll throw a couple > maps on a response mail and plan a short route, on > good road, around dc for > those who would like to ride too. So.. If I get 1 > or 38 responses I can > make it a go. Washington really is a pretty town to > ride in if you're > willing to get yourself in.. > > I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and > depending on how the response > goes maybe we won't need that much space and we > could talk about another > location downtown.. The weather's not looking so > great for the next bit, > but maybe next weekend we could make something > happen. > > Respond private or public.. all riders welcome.. > > Trevor > > K1 > > > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 09:05:27 2001 From: Danny Thompson To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: DC Ride Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:07:31 -0500 Encoding: 97 TEXT I agree a ride and a bike night is a great idea, I am not sure a ride together with a bike night is such a good idea. I don't know how good of an idea it is to ride to a bar, imbibe and then ride home. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Monday, February 05, 2001 8:46 AM, Mark Kitchell [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] wrote: > Hi Deus: > > That is a great idea...a ride/bike night in DC with > those of us who are comfortable (or actually LOVE) > riding in DC. DC at night on a warm summer night can > be a really wonderful ride. My favorites section are > cruising by the monuments and the Kennedy Center on > Rock Creek, bombing through the tunnel under the > capital, and jetting up 18th Street through Adams > Morgan. > > Another bar idea (I think we should mix it up) is > Asylum. Asylum is DC's only real biker bar, with > little bit of parking on 18th Street and even a video > camera to watch your bike while you are at the bar. > WARNING: Asylum is a dive! Punk/goth atmosphere but > very friendly and relatively cheap for Adams Morgan. > > Chuck and I are organizing a Bike Night for DC later > this year but I like the idea of a smaller group doing > something like this. Let me know if you need any > help. > > Mark > --- deus exMachina wrote: > > Hey people.. > > > > I've been on the list for a few months, thanks to > > Corbin who I met through > > some friends.. I went on a couple of good rides too > > and met Brian, Laura > > and a few other folks.. I remember a little while > > back some talk of a bike > > night in dc.. I've been living here for a couple of > > years and ride all > > around town. I've had my bike knocked over once > > myself and re-ended a > > taxi.. I know alot of riders who never enter the > > city cause of various > > reasons, but for any off season riders who would > > venture into dc I can > > suggest a few places where parking and traffic > > wouldn't be a problem. > > > > Depending on how much space you're looking for there > > are a few places that > > would accomodate a group of almost any size.. I > > like to ride so I could > > meet pretty much anywhere but if people are > > interested I'll throw a couple > > maps on a response mail and plan a short route, on > > good road, around dc for > > those who would like to ride too. So.. If I get 1 > > or 38 responses I can > > make it a go. Washington really is a pretty town to > > ride in if you're > > willing to get yourself in.. > > > > I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and > > depending on how the response > > goes maybe we won't need that much space and we > > could talk about another > > location downtown.. The weather's not looking so > > great for the next bit, > > but maybe next weekend we could make something > > happen. > > > > Respond private or public.. all riders welcome.. > > > > Trevor > > > > K1 > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 09:08:39 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 06:08:34 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DC Ride To: Mark Kitchell , deus exMachina , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX PS: All the mistakes in this email are due to a lack of coffee and two late nights this weekend (-: --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Hi Deus: > > That is a great idea...a ride/bike night in DC with > those of us who are comfortable (or actually LOVE) > riding in DC. DC at night on a warm summer night > can > be a really wonderful ride. My favorites section > are > cruising by the monuments and the Kennedy Center on > Rock Creek, bombing through the tunnel under the > capital, and jetting up 18th Street through Adams > Morgan. > > Another bar idea (I think we should mix it up) is > Asylum. Asylum is DC's only real biker bar, with > little bit of parking on 18th Street and even a > video > camera to watch your bike while you are at the bar. > WARNING: Asylum is a dive! Punk/goth atmosphere but > very friendly and relatively cheap for Adams Morgan. > > Chuck and I are organizing a Bike Night for DC later > this year but I like the idea of a smaller group > doing > something like this. Let me know if you need any > help. > > Mark > --- deus exMachina wrote: > > Hey people.. > > > > I've been on the list for a few months, thanks to > > Corbin who I met through > > some friends.. I went on a couple of good rides > too > > and met Brian, Laura > > and a few other folks.. I remember a little while > > back some talk of a bike > > night in dc.. I've been living here for a couple > of > > years and ride all > > around town. I've had my bike knocked over once > > myself and re-ended a > > taxi.. I know alot of riders who never enter the > > city cause of various > > reasons, but for any off season riders who would > > venture into dc I can > > suggest a few places where parking and traffic > > wouldn't be a problem. > > > > Depending on how much space you're looking for > there > > are a few places that > > would accomodate a group of almost any size.. I > > like to ride so I could > > meet pretty much anywhere but if people are > > interested I'll throw a couple > > maps on a response mail and plan a short route, on > > good road, around dc for > > those who would like to ride too. So.. If I get > 1 > > or 38 responses I can > > make it a go. Washington really is a pretty town > to > > ride in if you're > > willing to get yourself in.. > > > > I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and > > depending on how the response > > goes maybe we won't need that much space and we > > could talk about another > > location downtown.. The weather's not looking so > > great for the next bit, > > but maybe next weekend we could make something > > happen. > > > > Respond private or public.. all riders welcome.. > > > > Trevor > > > > K1 > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - > only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 09:15:22 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 06:15:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: DC Ride To: Danny Thompson , "Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" Danny: That is a great point. CHuck and I have discussed this before, as everyone rides to our Bike Nights as well. We hold them at bars because those places will provide us with parking, food, etc. I do think that in the end, each of us is personally responsible for what we do, and should plan accordingly. There is nothing to prevent someone from riding to a bar, drinking water or one beer (as I do) and leaving 100% sober. Additionally, and more importantly, is the 'group's' responsibility towards their fellow riders, friends, general public, etc. On any ride, Bike Night, etc. I am on, if someone is impaired, I will take their keys. Chuck and I would do that at Bike Night (he actually took my keys one night...but just to be safe as I was NOT going to ride). Riding to a bar does not have to mean getting wasted. All these places serve food, etc. But thanks Danny for raising a GREAT point. Mark --- Danny Thompson wrote: > I agree a ride and a bike night is a great idea, I > am not sure a ride together > with a bike night is such a good idea. I don't know > how good of an idea it is > to ride to a bar, imbibe and then ride home. > > Danny > #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) > '98 VTR > '00 SV (For SALE) > www.onewayracing.org > > Proudly Sponsored by: > Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley > Trailers > www.shenvalleywarrenton.com > > On Monday, February 05, 2001 8:46 AM, Mark Kitchell > [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Hi Deus: > > > > That is a great idea...a ride/bike night in DC > with > > those of us who are comfortable (or actually LOVE) > > riding in DC. DC at night on a warm summer night > can > > be a really wonderful ride. My favorites section > are > > cruising by the monuments and the Kennedy Center > on > > Rock Creek, bombing through the tunnel under the > > capital, and jetting up 18th Street through Adams > > Morgan. > > > > Another bar idea (I think we should mix it up) is > > Asylum. Asylum is DC's only real biker bar, with > > little bit of parking on 18th Street and even a > video > > camera to watch your bike while you are at the > bar. > > WARNING: Asylum is a dive! Punk/goth atmosphere > but > > very friendly and relatively cheap for Adams > Morgan. > > > > Chuck and I are organizing a Bike Night for DC > later > > this year but I like the idea of a smaller group > doing > > something like this. Let me know if you need any > > help. > > > > Mark > > --- deus exMachina wrote: > > > Hey people.. > > > > > > I've been on the list for a few months, thanks > to > > > Corbin who I met through > > > some friends.. I went on a couple of good rides > too > > > and met Brian, Laura > > > and a few other folks.. I remember a little > while > > > back some talk of a bike > > > night in dc.. I've been living here for a > couple of > > > years and ride all > > > around town. I've had my bike knocked over once > > > myself and re-ended a > > > taxi.. I know alot of riders who never enter > the > > > city cause of various > > > reasons, but for any off season riders who would > > > venture into dc I can > > > suggest a few places where parking and traffic > > > wouldn't be a problem. > > > > > > Depending on how much space you're looking for > there > > > are a few places that > > > would accomodate a group of almost any size.. I > > > like to ride so I could > > > meet pretty much anywhere but if people are > > > interested I'll throw a couple > > > maps on a response mail and plan a short route, > on > > > good road, around dc for > > > those who would like to ride too. So.. If I > get 1 > > > or 38 responses I can > > > make it a go. Washington really is a pretty > town to > > > ride in if you're > > > willing to get yourself in.. > > > > > > I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and > > > depending on how the response > > > goes maybe we won't need that much space and we > > > could talk about another > > > location downtown.. The weather's not looking > so > > > great for the next bit, > > > but maybe next weekend we could make something > > > happen. > > > > > > Respond private or public.. all riders > welcome.. > > > > > > Trevor > > > > > > K1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > - only $35 > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 09:39:17 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:33:40 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mark Kitchell CC: Danny Thompson , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: DC Ride And there is an *image* problem. Cagers and other citizens see a buncha bikers gathered at a bar and shake their heads, never surprised when they pick up a newspaper and read about a motorcyclist splatting on the highway. But I can't think of a cool, dry place to gather as an alternative. Maybe Matthew could arrange a bike night at his church, but that would be risky. If I showed up, lightening may strike, not to mention the expected roof caving in etc etc... :-) So for now, Mark's advice works. Be responsible, and be involved. Temper your own intake, and don't let a bro/sis blast off with a load on. Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > Danny: > > That is a great point. CHuck and I have discussed > this before, as everyone rides to our Bike Nights as > well. We hold them at bars because those places will > provide us with parking, food, etc. > > I do think that in the end, each of us is personally > responsible for what we do, and should plan > accordingly. There is nothing to prevent someone from > riding to a bar, drinking water or one beer (as I do) > and leaving 100% sober. > > Additionally, and more importantly, is the 'group's' > responsibility towards their fellow riders, friends, > general public, etc. On any ride, Bike Night, etc. I > am on, if someone is impaired, I will take their keys. > Chuck and I would do that at Bike Night (he actually > took my keys one night...but just to be safe as I was > NOT going to ride). > > Riding to a bar does not have to mean getting wasted. > All these places serve food, etc. But thanks Danny > for raising a GREAT point. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 09:42:18 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:35:45 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: , Subject: Re: OH...MY...GOD Actually the CB750's gone but I do have an 84 Magna V30 (500cc) for sale. New tires, seat, tune up, solid brakes, 24K on the clock, windshield, bags, $750. Any that are interested please contact me off-list. Also looking for a clean Interceptor 750. Onur '84 Magna V30 "Rocky" >>> 02/02/01 04:19PM >>> Simple solution.....DON'T get pregnant. It's worked for me so far. lol Now if I could just AFFORD a motorcycle. :o( Onur, you still got that 750? From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:01:55 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:01:49 -0500 Subject: How a tow-truck saves my skin On Sunday I had an interesting afternoon after leaving church. I was stopped on a 4 lane road (no divider) waiting to make a left hand turn. The road (Backlick in Springfield) curves gently left but it's enough of a curve that you can only see about 40 yards. If you're driving the speed limit (35) then it's absolutely no problem to react to traffic like me. The tow truck behind me came to a stop. But a SUV'er wasn't bothering to pay attention and plowed into the tow truck which in turn grew larger in my mirrors. The tow truck driver thankfully jerked his wheel right so he only gave me a glancing blow. Somehow in the fracus I hit the kill switch and had the presense of mind to stop the oncoming traffic and push my bike across onto the side-street. I stayed upright through it all and only thing I have to show for the incident is some scrapped paint on the side bodywork and a bent licent plate holder and tag. The SUV wasn't so fortunate: his engine, radiator and grill took the truck's tow-bar head-on. Mercifully that bar exists or else the nice little knife edge of the bed would have sliced into the car but good. You know, I'm no fan of excessive legislation but by some means we have to come up with a better profile for those flat-bed tow trucks. The rear should hinge up or something so an impacting car should not suffer the guillotine manuver. And for bikes it's worse. I don't think any of us would appreciate it's effect on our necks which is where it's positioned. If the AMA/Abate wants to beat their drum about something it should be things like this. I am very thankful that God put that tow-truck behind me. If the SUV had tagged me, I might not be typing this. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:15:51 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 07:15:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: The poetic meanderings of Gimer To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Todd Peer wrote: > What are you SMOKING....wait, never mind. I already > know... a. i have no idea what you're referring to; b. i've seen groundhog day enough times that i know the script by heart (even though i did foul up the last quote a little bit); c. what are you doing out of your whiskey bottle? get back in there! > > From: Tom Gimer > > > > ahhhh, WINTER, slumbering in the open air, carries on > > its breath a dream ... of spring. ciao! the correct line is "smiling face" rather "breath" __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:18:29 2001 From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: AMA finally makes a release Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:18:03 -0500 As you stated, Admiral, wish that they had cleaned up this mess sooner. Still they showed better faith than when they circled the wagons for the Roger Edmondson fiasco. It's hard to lay complete fault at their feet. What made Thornton think he could get away with such an easily contradicted lie? Then again, I look forward to Rolling Thunder every year and the statistically anomalous number of Viet Nam vets in that crowd. What a joke. One jackass sneering at my "rice burner" couldn't tell me the eligibility period for combat stripes or the duties of a Vector Control Officer. MC Happy (It's a "kidney pie burner", you pathologically inadequate moron!) Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message----- > > The AMA finally made a public comment about the conditions behind former > President Thornton's retirement / removal. > > http://www.ama-cycle.org/releases/a01007.html > > They point out that they do not publicly comment on personnel matters. But > since this had to do with their president, someone who represents the whole > association, they should have come clean sooner (IMHO). However, I am glad > that once they learned of the problem, they did something about it, and not > tried to cover it up like with their previous problems. Screw-ups do happen. > Mistakes do happen. It's how those situations are handled that shows how > good/bad the organization itself is. > > This time I'd give them a "Fair." They got rid of him, but kept quiet. > > Louis From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:20:25 2001 From: "deus exMachina" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: DC Ride Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:20:20 -0500 I was thinking a bar/restaurant is a good meeting place because of parking and food for those are hungry. We can meet sit down and talk as we wait for other riders to show up.. On another note I know the owners of both "My Brothers Place" and "Emerald Isle" next door and I've already talked to them about getting some bikes in there and both places said I should definately do it. My brothers place is good cause you can look out the patio windows and watch the bikes. It looks like we have 5 or 6 people interested in riding already, so I'll get a route map set up. Riders can mail me suggestions and I'll build a ride around them.. All we need now is a nice warm day.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:15 AM > To: Danny Thompson; Dc-Cycles (E-mail) > Subject: RE: DC Ride > > > Danny: > > That is a great point. CHuck and I have discussed > this before, as everyone rides to our Bike Nights as > well. We hold them at bars because those places will > provide us with parking, food, etc. > > I do think that in the end, each of us is personally > responsible for what we do, and should plan > accordingly. There is nothing to prevent someone from > riding to a bar, drinking water or one beer (as I do) > and leaving 100% sober. > > Additionally, and more importantly, is the 'group's' > responsibility towards their fellow riders, friends, > general public, etc. On any ride, Bike Night, etc. I > am on, if someone is impaired, I will take their keys. > Chuck and I would do that at Bike Night (he actually > took my keys one night...but just to be safe as I was > NOT going to ride). > > Riding to a bar does not have to mean getting wasted. > All these places serve food, etc. But thanks Danny > for raising a GREAT point. > > Mark > --- Danny Thompson wrote: > > I agree a ride and a bike night is a great idea, I > > am not sure a ride together > > with a bike night is such a good idea. I don't know > > how good of an idea it is > > to ride to a bar, imbibe and then ride home. > > > > Danny > > #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) > > '98 VTR > > '00 SV (For SALE) > > www.onewayracing.org > > > > Proudly Sponsored by: > > Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley > > Trailers > > www.shenvalleywarrenton.com > > > > On Monday, February 05, 2001 8:46 AM, Mark Kitchell > > [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > Hi Deus: > > > > > > That is a great idea...a ride/bike night in DC > > with > > > those of us who are comfortable (or actually LOVE) > > > riding in DC. DC at night on a warm summer night > > can > > > be a really wonderful ride. My favorites section > > are > > > cruising by the monuments and the Kennedy Center > > on > > > Rock Creek, bombing through the tunnel under the > > > capital, and jetting up 18th Street through Adams > > > Morgan. > > > > > > Another bar idea (I think we should mix it up) is > > > Asylum. Asylum is DC's only real biker bar, with > > > little bit of parking on 18th Street and even a > > video > > > camera to watch your bike while you are at the > > bar. > > > WARNING: Asylum is a dive! Punk/goth atmosphere > > but > > > very friendly and relatively cheap for Adams > > Morgan. > > > > > > Chuck and I are organizing a Bike Night for DC > > later > > > this year but I like the idea of a smaller group > > doing > > > something like this. Let me know if you need any > > > help. > > > > > > Mark > > > --- deus exMachina wrote: > > > > Hey people.. > > > > > > > > I've been on the list for a few months, thanks > > to > > > > Corbin who I met through > > > > some friends.. I went on a couple of good rides > > too > > > > and met Brian, Laura > > > > and a few other folks.. I remember a little > > while > > > > back some talk of a bike > > > > night in dc.. I've been living here for a > > couple of > > > > years and ride all > > > > around town. I've had my bike knocked over once > > > > myself and re-ended a > > > > taxi.. I know alot of riders who never enter > > the > > > > city cause of various > > > > reasons, but for any off season riders who would > > > > venture into dc I can > > > > suggest a few places where parking and traffic > > > > wouldn't be a problem. > > > > > > > > Depending on how much space you're looking for > > there > > > > are a few places that > > > > would accomodate a group of almost any size.. I > > > > like to ride so I could > > > > meet pretty much anywhere but if people are > > > > interested I'll throw a couple > > > > maps on a response mail and plan a short route, > > on > > > > good road, around dc for > > > > those who would like to ride too. So.. If I > > get 1 > > > > or 38 responses I can > > > > make it a go. Washington really is a pretty > > town to > > > > ride in if you're > > > > willing to get yourself in.. > > > > > > > > I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and > > > > depending on how the response > > > > goes maybe we won't need that much space and we > > > > could talk about another > > > > location downtown.. The weather's not looking > > so > > > > great for the next bit, > > > > but maybe next weekend we could make something > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > Respond private or public.. all riders > > welcome.. > > > > > > > > Trevor > > > > > > > > K1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > - only $35 > > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:21:29 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:15:47 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Matthew Patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How a tow-truck saves my skin Actually, bump bars on the ass end of trucks is legsilated. Note that all tractor trailers have a drop bar to prevent cars from submarining under the trailer. Of course, that oes nothing for bikes except provide a handy piece of steel bar to closeline oneself on. Room for improvement. And side impacts aren't protected either. I've seen a few de-roofed cars that ran into a the side of a truck. You were fortunate. After seeing my nieghbors girl's crunched car arrive on a flatbed that morning, and then having you show up with your tale of terror, I hibernated in the house all day. Now I have to go play in the snow with all those careless jerks - what fun. Bill Matthew Patton wrote: > On Sunday I had an interesting afternoon after leaving church. I was stopped on a 4 lane road (no divider) waiting to make a left hand turn. The road (Backlick in Springfield) curves gently left but it's enough of a curve that you can only see about 40 yards. If you're driving the speed limit (35) then it's absolutely no problem to react to traffic like me. The tow truck behind me came to a stop. But a SUV'er wasn't bothering to pay attention and plowed into the tow truck which in turn grew larger in my mirrors. The tow truck driver thankfully jerked his wheel right so he only gave me a glancing blow. Somehow in the fracus I hit the kill switch and had the presense of mind to stop the oncoming traffic and push my bike across onto the side-street. I stayed upright through it all and only thing I have to show for the incident is some scrapped paint on the side bodywork and a bent licent plate holder and tag. > > The SUV wasn't so fortunate: his engine, radiator and grill took the truck's tow-bar head-on. Mercifully that bar exists or else the nice little knife edge of the bed would have sliced into the car but good. You know, I'm no fan of excessive legislation but by some means we have to come up with a better profile for those flat-bed tow trucks. The rear should hinge up or something so an impacting car should not suffer the guillotine manuver. And for bikes it's worse. I don't think any of us would appreciate it's effect on our necks which is where it's positioned. If the AMA/Abate wants to beat their drum about something it should be things like this. > > I am very thankful that God put that tow-truck behind me. If the SUV had tagged me, I might not be typing this. > -- > > "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:34:59 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:34:53 -0500 Subject: Re: How a tow-truck saves my skin > Actually, bump bars on the ass end of trucks is legsilated. Note that all tractor trailers have a drop bar to prevent cars from submarining under Right, but these flat-bed tow trucks have no such thing. They have (optionally) an arm that lifts the one end of their victim but it's just barely long enough to be the initial contact point before that knife-like flatbed starts. What wouldn't be so hard to do is to have the last foot or so of the bed hinge upward so the profile is flat intead of pointed right at one's neck. You could make them a whole lot safer still by lengthening the truck frame and putting on the 'crash bars' so there would be nearly zero possibility of impacting the ramp. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:38:52 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "cb-750 list" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: How a tow-truck saves my skin Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:36:43 -0500 Matt, Glad you're OK, but man your machine in getting quite a few battle scars. Sounds similar to a wreck I had several years back in a VW Golf. I was a VW sandwich between a wood chipper being towed behind a dump truck and a diesel pickup. I was sitting waiting for a light to change (fiddling with the radio or something and never saw it coming) and said pickup, speeding no doubt, lost control in an adjacent lane and slammed into my rear, sandwiching the now totaled VW between the jagged edges of the wood chipper and the errant pickup. The guy driving the dump truck in front barely felt the impact. I walked away but the VW was thoroughly crumpled in the front and rear crush zones. Hate to think about a similar situation on a bike. That's why I now leave plenty of room and watch my mirrors (both on the bike and in the cage) while stopped in traffic. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Patton > On Sunday I had an interesting afternoon after leaving church. I was stopped on a 4 lane road (no divider) waiting to make a left hand turn. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 11:05:04 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:05:00 -0500 Subject: Re: DC Ride > But I can't think of a cool, dry place to gather as an alternative. > Maybe Matthew could arrange a bike night at his church, but that would > be risky. If I showed up, lightening may strike, not to mention the > expected roof caving in etc etc... :-) naw, that was the next church down the block that had the roof cave in due to snowfall. But we have a nice full gym. I'm sure I could organize some hoops, or volleyball if you want. There are several fine eating establishments across the street. And you can go over there and rag on the true rice-burning crowd of youthful punks with their purple-lit civics makig vroom, vroom noises... Or if you like fine dining that includes lots of red meat, Ribsters at Backlick and Little River has VERY FINE ribs and steaks - probably better than Pig and Steak and a whole lot closer. Wednesday night is all you can eat night. I'll be there before going to choir. And speaking of choir, we have at least 6 bikers in our midst: 2 cb-750's, 1 cb-1000, and 2 cruisers and a handful more who used to own/ride bikes. One of these days I'll try to organize a IBC bike ride. That would be a blast. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 11:33:45 2001 From: "Ahalan" To: "'deus exMachina'" , "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: DC Ride Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:32:08 -0800 I'm interested. Keep us up to date. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: deus exMachina [mailto:deusman@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 7:20 AM To: Dc-Cycles (E-mail) Subject: RE: DC Ride I was thinking a bar/restaurant is a good meeting place because of parking and food for those are hungry. We can meet sit down and talk as we wait for other riders to show up.. On another note I know the owners of both "My Brothers Place" and "Emerald Isle" next door and I've already talked to them about getting some bikes in there and both places said I should definately do it. My brothers place is good cause you can look out the patio windows and watch the bikes. It looks like we have 5 or 6 people interested in riding already, so I'll get a route map set up. Riders can mail me suggestions and I'll build a ride around them.. All we need now is a nice warm day.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:15 AM > To: Danny Thompson; Dc-Cycles (E-mail) > Subject: RE: DC Ride > > > Danny: > > That is a great point. CHuck and I have discussed > this before, as everyone rides to our Bike Nights as > well. We hold them at bars because those places will > provide us with parking, food, etc. > > I do think that in the end, each of us is personally > responsible for what we do, and should plan > accordingly. There is nothing to prevent someone from > riding to a bar, drinking water or one beer (as I do) > and leaving 100% sober. > > Additionally, and more importantly, is the 'group's' > responsibility towards their fellow riders, friends, > general public, etc. On any ride, Bike Night, etc. I > am on, if someone is impaired, I will take their keys. > Chuck and I would do that at Bike Night (he actually > took my keys one night...but just to be safe as I was > NOT going to ride). > > Riding to a bar does not have to mean getting wasted. > All these places serve food, etc. But thanks Danny > for raising a GREAT point. > > Mark > --- Danny Thompson wrote: > > I agree a ride and a bike night is a great idea, I > > am not sure a ride together > > with a bike night is such a good idea. I don't know > > how good of an idea it is > > to ride to a bar, imbibe and then ride home. > > > > Danny > > #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) > > '98 VTR > > '00 SV (For SALE) > > www.onewayracing.org > > > > Proudly Sponsored by: > > Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley > > Trailers > > www.shenvalleywarrenton.com > > > > On Monday, February 05, 2001 8:46 AM, Mark Kitchell > > [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > Hi Deus: > > > > > > That is a great idea...a ride/bike night in DC > > with > > > those of us who are comfortable (or actually LOVE) > > > riding in DC. DC at night on a warm summer night > > can > > > be a really wonderful ride. My favorites section > > are > > > cruising by the monuments and the Kennedy Center > > on > > > Rock Creek, bombing through the tunnel under the > > > capital, and jetting up 18th Street through Adams > > > Morgan. > > > > > > Another bar idea (I think we should mix it up) is > > > Asylum. Asylum is DC's only real biker bar, with > > > little bit of parking on 18th Street and even a > > video > > > camera to watch your bike while you are at the > > bar. > > > WARNING: Asylum is a dive! Punk/goth atmosphere > > but > > > very friendly and relatively cheap for Adams > > Morgan. > > > > > > Chuck and I are organizing a Bike Night for DC > > later > > > this year but