From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 09:46:47 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:43:01 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Before ANYONE buys one of those dinky MP3 players to have music while you ride, listen up. Several companies are making portable CD players (like the discman) that play regular CDs, burned CD-R, burned CD-RW, and Mp3. This is fucking awesome. If you have a CD burner, you can have a ridiculous amount of music on one CD. While in regular CD-Audio format, a CD will hold 74 minutes worth of music. If you convert your music to Mp3 files (at a reasonable bit-rate), you can fit upwards of 8 hours onto a single CD!!! As you can tell, I'm practically aroused at the thought of this device. These are in production and will be available soon. If anyone is interested, I can get more info (and maybe we can get some wholesale pricing in advance). Lemme know... Not having to change the CD when you ride, or hell...not for several rides would be awesome. Kirt 99 F4 Annandale, Va 550+ Mp3s From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 10:07:31 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cost of riding, was: Who rode in today? Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:07:16 GMT I think for some people a bike will be cheaper than a car.. I know my bike insurance is a lot cheaper than car insurance.. I know my car needs work a lot more often than my bikes do.. and the milage is obvious.. On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:41:17 -0500, you wrote: |>Listed below is some information I sent to Jeannette last night because= she |>thought operating a bike was cheaper too. These are my observations = and |>this applies to Hugh's message about savings in gas. Also I think a = scooter |>isn't very equivalent to an econo-box. Most scooters can hardly = maintain |>the speed limit, which as we know the average speed on the Beltway is = about |>70. Even my crappy Corolla can maintain 80 pretty easily. I think a = good |>comparison might be something like my little 500 Magna or a 750 = Nighthawk. |> |>Here is the message: |> |>Tires for your average cage... 4 of them with a 75,000 mile warranty = for |>$200. Bikes, well $200 for a set that might last 10,000 (if your = lucky). |>We won't even get into mounting and balancing costs. Our bikes the = rear |>goes out every 5,000 or so, and the fronts around 8,000. Something = like a |>Honda Civic gets close to 40 MPG which isn't far off from a bike. Tune |>ups... my Magna needs new plugs every 4,000 miles, the VFR, 8,000 = miles. |>Those plugs are over $4 each mail order! The plugs for my Corolla? = $0.99 |>at the local dealer and they last 30,000 miles. Newer cars have plugs = that |>cost the same as bike plugs but they last 60,000 and 100,000 miles Oil |>filters. Bike filters mail order are still $7 or more. I get car = filters |>for $3 (OEM too). Then there is insurance, I'd bet the average price = for |>bike insurance is higher then car insurance. |> |>Glenn |> |> |>-----Original Message----- |>From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] |>Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 1:24 PM |>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX |>Subject: RE: Cost of riding, was: Who rode in today? |> |> |>Anybody have real numbers? I mean, what YOU paid per mile to operate = your |>motorcycle - purchase price (minus current value), insurance, taxes, |>inspection fees, gas & oil, maintenance, tires, parts, etc. |> |>It'd be interesting to add in the riding gear, but if you'd own that = anyway |>for fun, then it doesn't add into the commuting equation. |> |>I haven't collected those kind of numbers myself, but always figured = that my |>$1,000 bikes offset any increase in operating costs ($300 in tires = lasts |>10,000 mi. on a bike, 30,000+ mi. on a car). |> |>Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 10:07:36 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: when does riding season start Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:07:14 GMT ok when can i expect the weather to be warm enough to ride as if it were summer time.. I guess meaning 55+ degrees. =20 I figure i'd ask and let the old wise men speak the ones who know the area, and weather patterns... someone said it will be 55 degrees wednesday. I'm wondering when I can expect to be riding every day very comfortably... =20 Daniel global warming? GOOD!!!! : ) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 10:11:26 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 10:17:30 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Thanks to Everyone who came to our DC Cycles Superbowl Party. It was a small but fun crowd! We were especially surprised that Leon did not make it on his bike! ; ) (teasing, Leon...) If anyone would've ridden, it would've been him! Hopefully next year the weather will cooperate and everyone won't need to take life & limb in hand coming to the party! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Jeannette L. Zell From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 10:25:59 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Mid 50s This Weekend! Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:25:48 -0500 Check out http://www.weather.com/weather/cities/us_dc_washington.html. They're predicting mid to upper fifties for this weekend. That's warm enough even for me to ride. HOWEVER, the NYC moto show trip is on Saturday. Talk about mixed emotions. I guess I'll just have to ride all day long on Sunday. ;^) The SuperDuperHawk needs some action - maybe I'll head over to 211... Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 10:50:25 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:45:36 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Thanks to Everyone To: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Prior commitments prevented me from attending your party. However, you are correct, I probably wouldn't have ridden this year. Sunday was the 2d day this year that I didn't ride a bike. Obviously more attention needs to be paid to this, missing 2 days in the same month is unacceptable. Leon. --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > who came to our DC Cycles Superbowl Party. It was a > small but fun crowd! > We were especially surprised that Leon did not make > it on his bike! ; ) > (teasing, Leon...) If anyone would've ridden, it > would've been him! > > Hopefully next year the weather will cooperate and > everyone won't need to > take life & limb in hand coming to the party! : ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > Jeannette L. Zell > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 11:02:36 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:02:02 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Thanks to Everyone ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Jeannette Zell >We were especially surprised that Leon did not make it on his bike! Leon actually remembered how to drive a car? I'm impressed. :) HOrkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 13:00:10 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Suzuki SV750?? Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:59:55 -0500 I found the following piece on the MCN website. It might be of interest = to the SV freaks on the list. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 --- http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/news/news.asp?id=3D409 --- The GSX-R1000 is expected to debut in 2001, but may appear sooner. A = 750cc twin based around the SV650 engine is also being mooted - prompting UK = bike builder Tigcraft to pull the plug on a project to produce a 750cc kit.=20 Tigcraft's Dave Pearce admits the move has left him feeling frustrated, = but careful inspection of the stock engine made him suspect it had been = designed as a 750 - suggesting Suzuki wasn't going to leave it as a 650 for very long.=20 The key part of the Tigcraft conversion was boring out the cylinders = from 81mm to 87mm, with no increase in stroke. Pearce said: "The crankcases accepted the bigger new liners easily.=20 "It was almost as if Suzuki had built the bottom half of the engine = with a 750cc engine in mind. "Our first run on the dyno showed monster torque = - and this was without any fine- tuning. There could have been even more to = come." Peak power was up from a standard rear wheel figure of 68bhp at 9000rpm = to 80bhp at 9000rpm, with torque of 53.4ftlb at 6500rpm up from 45.5ftlb = at 9500rpm. That compares with a Ducati 748's 54ftlb at 9000rpm.=20 Pearce said: "I need to make a big investment in tooling to produce my = own cylinder liners and I can't take the risk that Suzuki will render my = kit redundant by building its own 750."=20 Tigcraft's big-bore SV was also treated to re-profiled camshafts and a = new exhaust. The total cost of fitting the full conversion would have been =A32500, or =A31200 for a big-bore only.=20 Other tuners agree an official 750cc SV has to be highly likely because = 750s have wider appeal and a production bike need not cost a lot more than = the current SV650's =A34499. A Suzuki spokesman denied plans for a 750 at = the moment. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 16:30:51 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 16:29:10 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: when does riding season start Lemme see ... ponder-ponder... I've washed my car on christmas day which was in the low 70s that year. This is VA - might be springlike next week, or we might be up to our ass in snow. You never can tell, so keep the scoot lubed, gassed, and charged and be ready to ride. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > ok when can i expect the weather to be warm enough to ride as if it > were summer time.. I guess meaning 55+ degrees. > > I figure i'd ask and let the old wise men speak the ones who know > the area, and weather patterns... someone said it will be 55 degrees > wednesday. > > I'm wondering when I can expect to be riding every day very > comfortably... > > Daniel > global warming? GOOD!!!! : ) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 18:37:39 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:36:58 EST Subject: Re: 2-smokes To: v4mofo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX When did you get a YSR80?? Oh my... and I just got the mental image of you on one of those.... Wasn't the RS125 lilyputen enough for you?? - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 18:45:30 2000 From: "Bruce Norton" To: Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:47:11 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Then plug that player into a pair of these: http://precisionweb.com/monitoring/monitor_earphones/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirt S." To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > Before ANYONE buys one of those dinky MP3 players to have music while you > ride, listen up. > > Several companies are making portable CD players (like the discman) that > play regular CDs, burned CD-R, burned CD-RW, and Mp3. This is fucking > awesome. If you have a CD burner, you can have a ridiculous amount of music > on one CD. While in regular CD-Audio format, a CD will hold 74 minutes > worth of music. If you convert your music to Mp3 files (at a reasonable > bit-rate), you can fit upwards of 8 hours onto a single CD!!! > > As you can tell, I'm practically aroused at the thought of this device. > These are in production and will be available soon. If anyone is > interested, I can get more info (and maybe we can get some wholesale pricing > in advance). Lemme know... Not having to change the CD when you ride, or > hell...not for several rides would be awesome. > > Kirt > 99 F4 > Annandale, Va > 550+ Mp3s From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 19:25:31 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:24:23 EST Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Several companies are making portable CD players (like the discman) that >play regular CDs, burned CD-R, burned CD-RW, and Mp3. Name one. Make & model. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 20:23:10 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:23:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: 2-smokes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Brian (R that is ;-)) The YSR may have a smaller motor, but it is a much bigger bike overall than that S&M beast of an RS that McCoy had..sheesh! even I felt cramped up on that thing, and I am by no means a big person. Sadly enough, my son fit the thing better than any of us.. and he had just turned two when he sat on it! hehehe I'm still sulking cause I never got to take a ride on that thing! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 21:34:51 2000 X-Originating-IP: [165.247.81.197] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:34:16 PST This SOUNDS :-) GREAT. But how many of you all have really been happy with the sound quality of a portable CD player on your bike? I've found that I couldn't find a really good place to put the thing without getting skiping and cut outs. Even tucked into my jacket was a problem. I tried it with two, one of which was supposedly build for automotive duty. I currently use a Sony water-resistant sports model walkman tape player. But even that has some problems. The tape player picks up interference from the ignition system. The radio does too, but FM is actualy better than the tape player. Headphone cord placement really plays a role here too. > >If you convert your music to Mp3 files (at a reasonable > > bit-rate), you can fit upwards of 8 hours onto a single CD!!! > > > > As you can tell, I'm practically aroused at the thought of this device. > > These are in production and will be available soon. If anyone is > > interested, I can get more info (and maybe we can get some wholesale >pricing > > in advance). Lemme know... Not having to change the CD when you ride, >or > > hell...not for several rides would be awesome. > >> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 21:58:16 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 21:57:30 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Last summer I carved the foam out behind the ears in my RF800. Stuck in headphones and bought a $40 40 second skip CD player. Goes in the map section of my tank bag. Only time it skips is when I tuck and bang the chin on the top of the player. The RF800 is a pretty loud helmet - but the mod didn't add any additional noise. Can hear music and traffic clearly. At 09:34 PM 2/1/2000 , Doug Allis wrote: >This SOUNDS :-) GREAT. > >But how many of you all have really been happy with the sound quality of a >portable CD player on your bike? I've found that I couldn't find a really >good place to put the thing without getting skiping and cut outs. Even >tucked into my jacket was a problem. I tried it with two, one of which was >supposedly build for automotive duty. I currently use a Sony >water-resistant sports model walkman tape player. But even that has some >problems. The tape player picks up interference from the ignition system. >The radio does too, but FM is actualy better than the tape player. >Headphone cord placement really plays a role here too. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 22:53:32 2000 X-Originating-IP: [63.24.102.9] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 22:52:57 EST I haven't posted in a while, and I know this may not be a popular opinion, BUT.....don't we have enough distractions on the road with out isolating ourselves from outside noise (car horns ect.) that may tip up off to a dangerous situation? Now don't get me wrong, music is my life. I play in a band ( www.conflictedinterest.com )( I'm so ashamed for this self promoting plug ) and use in-ear monitors, they sound fantastic! But just by hearing the sound of tires whining next to you (and you WON'T hear that with "In-ear" systems) might alert you to a possibly un-seen obstacle/danger. Just my opinion, Razz 99 ZX9-R 83 LTD440 77 KZ650 www.conflictedinterest.com damn! I did it again ;-) > >This SOUNDS :-) GREAT. > >But how many of you all have really been happy with the sound quality of a >portable CD player on your bike? I've found that I couldn't find a really >good place to put the thing without getting skiping and cut outs. Even >tucked into my jacket was a problem. I tried it with two, one of which was >supposedly build for automotive duty. I currently use a Sony >water-resistant sports model walkman tape player. But even that has some >problems. The tape player picks up interference from the ignition system. >The radio does too, but FM is actualy better than the tape player. >Headphone >cord placement really plays a role here too. >> >If you convert your music to Mp3 files (at a reasonable >> > bit-rate), you can fit upwards of 8 hours onto a single CD!!! >> > >> > As you can tell, I'm practically aroused at the thought of this device. >> > These are in production and will be available soon. If anyone is >> > interested, I can get more info (and maybe we can get some wholesale >>pricing >> > in advance). Lemme know... Not having to change the CD when you ride, >>or >> > hell...not for several rides would be awesome. >> >> > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 23:16:49 2000 From: BigDaddySeanBDS@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:16:13 EST Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thank god someone has some sense..... maybe we should all watch some tv while were at it.... (sorry, exagerating a little...) bds >>I haven't posted in a while, and I know this may not be a popular opinion, >>BUT.....don't we have enough distractions on the road with out isolating >>ourselves from outside noise (car horns ect.) that may tip up off to a >>dangerous situation? >>Now don't get me wrong, music is my life. I play in a band ( >>www.conflictedinterest.com )( I'm so ashamed for this self promoting plug ) >>and use in-ear monitors, they sound fantastic! But just by hearing the sound >>of tires whining next to you (and you WON'T hear that with "In-ear" systems) >>might alert you to a possibly un-seen obstacle/danger. >> >>Just my opinion, >> >>Razz From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 02:04:40 2000 From: KGray96057@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 02:03:44 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Hmmm... When I tried this, I used my trusty Panasonic 40 second anti skip CD player. Only time it ever skipped during my short test ride was when Xena and I hit a pothole so hard I thought we had fork damage. This same player has done yeoman service in my Geo Tracker, and that is _not_ the smoothest ride out there. Kendall From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 08:50:52 2000 From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Is it helmet law time yet? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:56:58 -0500 Forgive my rather slow reply, but others may be lead astray by the numbers cited in the e-mail as included below. >1. Passage of the helmet law in California resulted in a 500% increase in >spinal cord injuries. This is in spite of the fact that motorcycle >registrations dropped over 30% over the first two years of the helmet law, >and have not recovered. >4.....The death rate in California dropped from 2.8 deaths per >hundred accidents in 1991 to 2.4 deaths per hundred in 1992, primarily due >to a change in the way the CHP collects their data, a change which resulted >in many more minor accidents being added to the totals; accidents which did >not lead to deaths or serious injuries, and which, consequently, diluted >the totals. Last year the death rate had risen back to 2.6 and is still >increasing. So what? CORRELATION provides no necessary demonstration of CAUSATION, so again, we must rely on subjective interpretation to mathematical data. Only controlled experiments allow us to demonstrate cause (in a practical sense as I am sure you Hume fans will attest). I would be more interested in what statistics show as the correlation between the cost of premiums and the existence of helmet laws. Show me the money, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 09:18:02 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'Doug Allis'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:17:56 -0500 For those of you willing to pay some extra money, try a minidisc player. I have one that I use occasionally and I have never (and I mean *never*) had it skip, no matter what the vibration. It's better for a motorcycle application, IMO, since it's a) smaller, and b) the discs are much more durable and easy to insert. Not that I do this while moving, but when you have gloved hands it's no problem. The minidisc player that I have can fit in a jacket pocket too, so there's no need to bring a tank bag along just for the music. Not only that, but you can put together your own mixes - this is nice if you want a collection of high-adrenaline music, just smooth instrumentals etc. I have to admit, however, that I don't use it too often. I also agree with one of the other listers that it's not as safe as riding without it. Unlike the PC800 listers on this thread, I own a Honda VTR, and I often enjoy listening to the motor more than any prerecorded music I could find anyway. :^) I usually only use the player when I know that I have a long, boring interstate ride in front of me. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Allis [SMTP:dhallis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 9:34 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; pc800@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > This SOUNDS :-) GREAT. > > But how many of you all have really been happy with the sound quality of a > > portable CD player on your bike? I've found that I couldn't find a really > > good place to put the thing without getting skiping and cut outs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 09:28:37 2000 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:27:42 -0500 I disagree. the mindisc is going to be another one of the dying technologies and its expensive to boot. Find a good portable CD player that doesn't skip. There are some pretty good ones out there. Glenn -----Original Message----- For those of you willing to pay some extra money, try a minidisc player. I have one that I use occasionally and I have never (and I mean *never*) had it skip, no matter what the vibration. It's better for a motorcycle application, IMO, since it's a) smaller, and b) the discs are much more durable and easy to insert. Not that I do this while moving, but when you have gloved hands it's no problem. The minidisc player that I have can fit in a jacket pocket too, so there's no need to bring a tank bag along just for the music. Not only that, but you can put together your own mixes - this is nice if you want a collection of high-adrenaline music, just smooth instrumentals etc. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 09:30:29 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 06:30:22 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: DCCycles --- Razz Man wrote: > I haven't posted in a while, and I know this may not > be a popular opinion, > BUT.....don't we have enough distractions on the > road with out isolating ourselves from outside noise :-) On longer rides, music is much better than the voices. No matter how effective they say the aluminum foil is, after a few hours the voices return. Drowning them out with music does wonders toward mitigating the insantity caused by the voices. /:-) Nobody makes the same complaints about car stereos. There is no difference between having the stereo on in a car and listening to the music on a bike. Both vehicle operators would do better to listen for road hazards, and yes, some road hazard noises will be drowned out by the music. Attentive vehicle operators must make rational decisions (there go those voices again.) Music, heated clothing, comfortable seating positions, cruise control and other items that add to operator comfort prevent fatigue and allow the operator to remain alert for longer periods of time. In my opinion these items add to safey, rather than detract from it. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 09:45:21 2000 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:42:10 -0500 Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Agreed. But mostly because I'm too lazy to hook it all up and pick CDs for a short ride. However, when we road 2,000 miles or so to Bike week and back ... the system got ALOT of playing time. Believe it or not ... engine noise tends to get a bit boring after the first several hours. :-) --chris '94 RF900r To: 'Doug Allis' , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX cc: From: "Weaver, Chris" Date: 02/02/2000 02:17:56 PM GMT Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... --snip-- :^) I usually only use the player when I know that I have a long, boring interstate ride in front of me. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 10:00:46 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 06:45:56 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Is it helmet law time yet? To: Michael Jay , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" That's part of the problem. Look at this objectively, most motorcycle insurance doesn't include medical payments for the motorcycle operator. If medical payments are included, they are for passengers (optional coverage.) Liability coverage which is the mandatory part of insurance only covers the damage you do to others. Motorcyclists don't run over other motorcyclists very often; car drivers run over motorcyclists. If insurance costs drop as a result of helmet laws, most of the costs would be associated with the liability costs of automobile insurance. Do you suppose that's why the insurance companies support helmet laws? It would save them and their customers money without adversely affecting any of their choices. Leon. --- Michael Jay wrote: > Forgive my rather slow reply, but others may be lead > astray by > the numbers cited in the e-mail as included below. > > > >1. Passage of the helmet law in California resulted > in a 500% increase in > >spinal cord injuries. This is in spite of the fact > that motorcycle > >registrations dropped over 30% over the first two > years of the helmet law, > >and have not recovered. > > > > >4.....The death rate in California dropped from 2.8 > deaths per > >hundred accidents in 1991 to 2.4 deaths per hundred > in 1992, primarily due > >to a change in the way the CHP collects their data, > a change which resulted > > >in many more minor accidents being added to the > totals; accidents which did > > >not lead to deaths or serious injuries, and which, > consequently, diluted > >the totals. Last year the death rate had risen back > to 2.6 and is still > >increasing. > > > So what? CORRELATION provides no necessary > demonstration of CAUSATION, so > again, we must rely on subjective interpretation to > mathematical data. > > Only controlled experiments allow us to demonstrate > cause (in a practical > sense as I am sure you Hume fans will attest). > > I would be more interested in what statistics show > as the correlation > between the cost of premiums and the existence of > helmet laws. > > Show me the money, > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 10:00:32 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:58:56 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Leon Begeman CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... I'm with Razz man. When cruising in my trip-o-van I don't play the radio and it has no tape deck or CD player. Forget adding tunes to my bike. I prefer the noise of the machine and the wind. And I have a fertile imagination, so getting lost in my thoughts while scoping out road hazards is easy and fun. Besides, thye quit making good music somewhere around `64. Bill moldy oldie > > On longer rides, music is much better than the voices. > No matter how effective they say the aluminum foil > is, after a few hours the voices return. Drowning > them out with music does wonders toward mitigating the > insantity caused by the voices. > /:-) > > Nobody makes the same complaints about car stereos. > There is no difference between having the stereo on in > a car and listening to the music on a bike. Both > vehicle operators would do better to listen for road > hazards, and yes, some road hazard noises will be > drowned out by the music. > > Attentive vehicle operators must make rational > decisions (there go those voices again.) Music, > heated clothing, comfortable seating positions, cruise > control and other items that add to operator comfort > prevent fatigue and allow the operator to remain alert > for longer periods of time. In my opinion these items > add to safey, rather than detract from it. > > Leon. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 10:25:40 2000 X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.183] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:25:05 EST > >Nobody makes the same complaints about car stereos. >There is no difference between having the stereo on in >a car and listening to the music on a bike. Both >vehicle operators would do better to listen for road >hazards, and yes, some road hazard noises will be >drowned out by the music. > > >Leon. > I agree with your general statement. The main difference is that "in ear" systems isolate outside noise sources. While car stereos played at moderate levels, will still allow you hear traffic noise, moderate levels played on "in-ear" systems won't. And yes, I know that the "power stereos" will greatly reduce this, but I am talking average here. Razz 99 ZX9-R 83 LTD440 77 KZ650 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 10:48:12 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:47:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >I agree with your general statement. The main difference is that "in ear" >systems isolate outside noise sources. While car stereos played at >moderate levels, will still allow you hear traffic noise, moderate levels >played on "in-ear" systems won't. And yes, I know that the "power stereos" >will greatly reduce this, but I am talking average here. By in-ear do you mean all headphone systems, or just the ones that go inside the ear? If the latter, then I would agree. But headphones in general can be made to allow external noise in (such as the ones that I use). I love the sound of the bike, but on long touring rides it keeps me more entertained. Just have to concentrate a bit more. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 11:11:56 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:11:38 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: Razz Man , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Razz Man wrote: > I agree with your general statement. The main > difference is that "in ear" > systems isolate outside noise sources. While car > stereos played at moderate > levels, will still allow you hear traffic noise, > moderate levels played on > "in-ear" systems won't. And yes, I know that the > "power stereos" will > greatly reduce this, but I am talking average here. Ear plugs, which are a highly recommended item for motorcyclists reduce this noise as well. It is medically dangerous to ride for more than about 15 minutes without them. I use the best (in terms of noise reduction) in-ear foam ear plugs I can find, and run the stereo through helmet speakers over them at a high enough volume to understand the weather and traffic reports. Maryland law states that using more than one speaker is illegal. But in my experience, travelling at twice the posted speed limit is both more dangerous and more likely to get you a traffic ticket than having twice too many speakers in your helmet. I feel safer with foam earplugs and music. Yes, it blocks out many other road noises, your mileage may vary. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 11:56:46 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:56:07 EST Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think the "isolates you from noise" thing is a wash here in comparison to cars. Modern (cage) vehicles are now built with all sorts of noise deadening material to "keep road noise out of the cabin". Get in a new camry, turn on the stock radio at a fairly low level, and you won't hear a thing in the next lane over until the guy lays on the horn. Even my new truck (not exactly a quiet vehicle traditionally) exhibits this behavior. Get in one of these my-stereo-is-worth-more-than-my-car setups, and you're not hearing a damn thing outside that cabin (even after you get out of the car :) ). I haven't ridden with headphones for years (not for any particular reason... just haven't done it), but I don't think it's any more isolating than a car stereo. You can still hear when someone lays on the horn, and if you're paying attention and scanning the road and mirrors, you should see something coming WAY before you hear it. Just my $.02 - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 13:31:27 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:31:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Valid point here....but how do you expect to get going fast enough in the twisties on a m/c without the assistance of, for example, Tool, Korn or White Zombie? At some point safety must take a back seat to Satan. ;) --- Razz Man wrote: > I haven't posted in a while, and I know this may not > be a popular opinion, > BUT.....don't we have enough distractions on the > road with out isolating > ourselves from outside noise (car horns ect.) that > may tip up off to a > dangerous situation? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 13:35:55 2000 From: "Smith, Steven" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Jenspeed Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:37:03 -0500 Dearly Beloved, I would like to thank the lister who referred me to Jenspeed (http://www.Jenspeed.com/). Just received my Alpinestars GP Tech boots, which were of the correct size thanks to some unselfish phone time on Paul's part, and couldn't be happier with the price ($235US) or service (not as fast as some, but look at that price). For accessories and non-OEM parts I would recommend you give them your consideration. Crash (less cranky about the snow since getting my package last night) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 13:36:30 2000 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: cost of riding (more) and long this time Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:35:46 -0500 Purchase cost minus current value means nothing to me because I run a vehicle into the ground before I get rid of it. But I can tell you the two vehicles that I will compare are my Corolla and my Magna. Of course I don't use the Magna for commuting but both vehicles were about the same purchase price. I got them both used. Again I can't give you the numbers with as many miles for the Magna because I don't commute with it. What I can tell you is that for maintenance I have spent more money per mile on that vehicle then my Corolla. I don't see why this is so hard for some of you to figure out. Look at the maintenance requirements for just about ANY bike and you can they are much more frequent then just about any car. Also, its common sense that tires wear out faster on a bike regardless of tire compound because they do much more work then car tires. Mile per mile driving down the road its going to cost you more on two wheels then 4. As far as the tires on my car that lasted 65K miles are not "hard" they just happen to be very good quality Michelins that last. I think you can ask Mr. McCoy or Mr. Norton, or Mr. Peer how well those tires on that car stick. :-) I guess you haven't bought decent car tires in many years. Just about anything anyone offers now lasts 60K miles or more. And I'd like to see a motorcycle tire that lasts 35K miles and that you won't slip all over the road with in ALL conditions. So if you follow the book for maintenance here is what I have: Magna (purchased with 3300 miles, now has 32,000), Corolla (purchased with 100K miles, now has 173K miles) Tires: 6 rear and three fronts. Figure $90 each for the rear and $85 or so for the front. Lets not forget mounting costs. $28 each one with the rim off the bike. Oh, wait a minute we need to compare apples to apples here, let me put that rim back on and have the dealer do that since that's what I do with my car. $50 a rim. And these are bias ply and I put on Metzelers. Sure I could have put on Chang Shin and save $20 per tire but would it be worth it? Total cost for less then 30K miles? Lets see, 6 rears: $540. Three fronts: $255. Mounting for each: Nine times is $450 for a grand total of $1245. I'll even knock off $300 for using Chang Chin tires and its still almost $1000 just for tires!!!! My Corolla would still be working on its first set of tires @ 30K miles that I had mounted and balanced for less then $250. I've since mounted another set, of course if we project the bikes cost for tires for another 30K miles its going to be close to $2000. Spark plugs: figure the math. Book says 4K miles so that's when I'm going to replace them. So that's about 7 sets of plugs for the Magna. Even with Collin's no resistor cheapo spark plugs that's $28. I still like to use OEM. Dealer plugs though are $4 each which is $112. Total cost for Corolla??? A whopping $4 for the OEM plugs I got at the local dealer. And I only needed one set because the book says 30K miles for replacement. Chain: One Chain for the Magna or was that two? Anyhow, $90 for a decent chain. No chain for the Car. I did however replace the timing belt so that cost me about $50 in OEM parts. Wonder how much the OEM chain for the Magna would have cost??? Regulator: The bike regulator was $120 mail order, typical Honda problem. Although it still didn't fix the problem. I did put a new alternator on the Corolla for about $90 rebuilt. Batteries: Hey, looks like I've put a new one in the Magna almost every year since I've owned it and I've had it since 88. So lets just say 5 batteries to be fair even though I know its been closer to 10. So what are they, $30 each, $40 each??? That's $150 or $190. Still on the same battery on the Corolla after the 73K miles I've put on it. Brake Lines: When the Magna got about 8 years old I put on a new front because the line was swelling so much and the bike wouldn't stop. Didn't get the OEM, I put on braided. it cost me around $50. A few years later the clutch did the same thing. Another $50. Oh and I priced the OEM clutch line, $128. So that's about $200 or so for the bike of course the car hasn't needed ANY of this. Gas... bike beats me here. Its gets about 42-44. My car gets around 35 on a good day. I'll let you figure out if that beats the tires out and everything else the car has whipped up on the bike. Taxes: They are about the same which is pretty much nothing. Sticker price is $7 more for the car. Bike wins here. Can't think of anything else that I've had to do to either of them besides other routine maintenance (besides buying a bogus part for the car that I didn't need). They both have one problem. The bike eats batteries and the car has a hesitation with the carb that I know eats more gas then it should. I use the same oil and change them at the same amount of mileage. Only thing is the OEM bike filters cost twice as much. Brake pads seems to be about the same price although the bikes have to be replaced sooner then the car, about twice as much. There really are no other expenses that I can think of. The insurance on the bike is a little cheaper but I'm sure if I told the insurance company I use it for to and from work travel it would get hiked up. What other expenses are there??? Maybe if you've got a junker car like Daniel it might be cheaper for a bike but if you've got a good little reliable economy car and a nice little reliable bike the car is going to win out for expenses per mile. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 8:24 AM To: "'DC@XXXXXX Cycles'"; Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM Subject: RE: cost of riding (more) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" >Believe me my numbers are actual numbers. Your numbers are real, but not inclusive - if you want to compare numbers please include ALL of them - purchase cost (minus current value), insurance, taxes, etc. Just picking these replacement parts isn't enough. > But even >tires that last 15K miles, you are still losing money on the bike because >that's almost double the cost for tires alone. Like I said its nothing to >get a set of car tires to do 75K miles for only about $200. Those must be rock-hard tires! In my experience, 40-50,000 mi. is more typical of reasonable quality tires. And they sure don't cost only $200! The bike does require better tires, since they're so much more important. But if want cheap, go get a Cheng Shin from JC Whitney - they last 30-35,000 mi. on a motorcycle. Personally, though, I want more traction than that. >And agreed, I think we' all rather be on bikes, just wish parts were not so >expensive. Agreed. But lets consider ALL the costs. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 14:04:52 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:03:56 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cost of riding (more) and long this time Okay, that does it! I've got the stake who's got the gasoline? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 14:37:04 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:05:09 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: cost of riding To: DCCycles Nice analysis, Glenn. Bikes are more expensive, but don't you dare tell my wife that, I told her it's a lawn tractor, I could never justify owning a motorcycle. :-) > And I'd like to see a > motorcycle tire that lasts 35K miles and that you > won't slip all over the > road with in ALL conditions. The Metzelers on the lawn tractor come to mind. ME88 in back, ME33 up front. They go about that far. Although I couldn't keep up with the Magna, I wasn't too far behind and at least part of that was the fact that your V30 has a bunch more cc's. If I can ever get the new ME880s in the radial size, I'll let you know how they feel. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 14:55:47 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:52:16 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: cost of riding (more) and long this time To: "'DC Cycles'" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Glenns unique situation................ Magna Corolla Tires 0. $1245 $110.39 Plugs 1. 112 4.00 Chain 2. 180 50.00 Reg/Alt 3. 120 90.00 Batt 4. 170 0.00 Brakes 5. 100 0.00 Gas 6. 800.93 984.00 Oil 7. 100.38 129.06 Filter 7. 57.36 28.60 $2885.67 $1396.05 0. Corolla based on cost/mile for 28,700 miles 1. I think you're nuts to change plugs every 4k. My service manual for the CB750 and the ST1100 (and as I recall the VT500) says inspect every 8k and replace every 16. 2. This is sort of a bogus comparison since the Corolla isn't driven with a chain. I'll give it to you, though had your motorcycle NOT had so many miles, it would be a questionable expense. 3. I gave you the Regulator even though you didn't need it. 4. Battery! If it wasn't the regulator, there something very wrong with your charging system. I have yet to replace the battery in my CB750 (8 years old), and just recently did so on the ST1100 (9 years old). Bogus expense. 5. Another bogus expense. OEM on my bikes work just fine. 6. Both figures based on 28,700 miles and your mpg estimates 7. Based on guesstimate that the Corolla takes at least 1 more quart than the magna, and allowing for 9.56 changes in 28,700 miles. Filter cost is $6 and $3. Just looking at the numbers above, Glenns situation seems provable and plausible. It costs more to operate the Magna than it does the Corolla. Tires seem to be the biggest expense culprit. If you costed them equally, take away the bogus regulator/battery/brake line expenses, the costs of operation of these two vehicles are within $200, the Magna being more expensive. There are a few things missing though. First off, Glenn is one of the most fastidious people I know. He can't stand even a little dirt on his babies, so some of this won't apply. He didn't mention car wheel alignment. I don't care if you buy the best car tires in the world, if your car is mis-aligned then kiss those tires goodbye within 15k. The Corolla may be exceptional in keeping it's alignment, I don't know. Also, there was no mention of brake pads. Don't need em? Finally, someone mentioned this argument was like comparing apples and oranges. Isn't it? I mean couldn't we compare bicycle maintenance to car maintenance, mile/mile? How about busline commuters to car commuters. Who pays more, mile/mile. I just don't see the relevance of comparing the cost of maintaining two very different vehicles. If it costs less to drive a car, and that's all you care about, go drive a car. I personally have come to terms that motorcycles demand 110% of my income, and that's just fine. Because given the rational, pragmatic choice, I'd rather ride. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM [mailto:Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 1:36 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Cc: 'cnorloff@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: cost of riding (more) and long this time > > > Purchase cost minus current value means nothing to me because I run a > vehicle into the ground before I get rid of it. But I > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 15:32:45 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:31:57 EST Subject: Re: cost of riding (more) and long this time To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/2/00 3:01:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > Finally, someone mentioned this argument was like comparing apples > and oranges. Isn't it? I mean couldn't we compare bicycle maintenance > to car maintenance, mile/mile? How about busline commuters to > car commuters. Who pays more, mile/mile. There's a caveat to this as well - even the magna is far superior in performance to the corola in terms of acceleration, handling, etc. Comparing a sportbike to an econobox is even more severe - the better comparison is to look at something like a C5 corvette, BMW M3, or porsche. Trust me on this one - your tires do NOT last 35k miles, and they aren't that cheap :) The new rubber going on my vintage porsche is almost $250 a piece, and I *might* get 10k miles out of them. Gas milage is a joke ( ~ 20mpg), and let's not even talk about insurance, 'k? On top of that - comparable performace in a motorcycle costs a fraction of the purchase price for an equal (or less than equal) auto. A better comparison to the corolla would be something like a rebel 250 - the econobox of motorcycles (or any other 250 - 500cc bike for that matter - maybe even a dual sport). Tires are cheaper and last longer, it gets 60mpg, and requires very little in the way of maint. Insurance is also almost nothing. Purchase price... $3500 new, $1000 - $1500 mint used. Etc, etc, etc. You cannot get a new, warranteed corolla for $3500. I think if you look at it with comparable performace indexing, the bike IS cheaper. No offense to the corolla of course :) As always, my $.02 - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 16:31:24 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:30:21 -0500 Last year I asked about amps to pump up the volume on my Walkman so I could hear it through my ear plugs. My question prompted several good answers, most were co$tly. Two cheep solutions: 1) Koss "The Plug" Basically an audio tube through ear plugs. Folks on the SabMag list, who tried 'em, love 'em. $20 at Sears, etc. Some complained about the quality of the plug material so, they melted a hole through a pair of good ear plugs (Howard Leights). I've not tried "The Plug" because of 2) below and my right ear canal is pretty narrow. 2) Amplifier from computer speakers. I ripped the amp from a set of $10!! speakers at CVS. Cobbled together 9 volts worth of AA batteries in a RS holder. Amp went into a plastic bottle, battery holder in a plastic baggie. Total cost maybe $16. Carl in Bethesda - still wary about the sheets of ice across the roads in the mornings. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 17:21:20 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:20:54 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:04:50 EST Subject: BC 1100 Anybody notice problems with your BC 1100 during the cold weather? Mine won't register speed correctly until the temp get above ,say 35 or so. Bob From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 18:09:10 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:08:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:17:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: superbowl party LOL....What Brian said... someone video the kitchen talk, since my redheaded half won't be around to add fuel to the fire.. or whatever other good euphamism fits the talk in there ;-) Anyone else on the list going to the MARRC awards banquet next Saturday??? Brian R, Jeff??? I'll be in town late Friday, attending the banquet, then heading out sometime Sunday morning... Hope I'll see some of ya'll there... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 18:17:00 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:16:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:12:48 -0500 X-Accept-Language: en Subject: Dyno tuning Was wondering what a reasonable cost for dyno tuning a bike is? Just the actual tuning, all the stuff (e.g., exhaust, jet kit, etc.) is already installed. I was told $300 by the guys at Fast Lane in Chantilly, VA and wanted to know if that was about right. Thanx! Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 18:20:47 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:20:22 -0500 (EST) From: JEM Broga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:42:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Dyno tuning/prices X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Try calling Steve at SpeedWerks to get another price and see if Fast Lane is reasonable (302)697-7043. Not sure what they charge, but they are good guys. Jonathan Broga JEM Racing '99 SV650X - CCS#500 Sponsored by: http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.centurypool.com > Was wondering what a reasonable cost for dyno tuning a bike is? Just > the actual tuning, all the stuff (e.g., exhaust, jet kit, etc.) is > already installed. I was told $300 by the guys at Fast Lane in > Chantilly, VA and wanted to know if that was about right. Thanx! > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 18:39:27 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: when does riding season start Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:38:32 -0500 Daniel wondered, "ok when can i expect the weather to be warm enough to ride as if it were summer time.. I guess meaning 55+ degrees. I figure i'd ask and let the old wise men speak the ones who know the area, and weather patterns... someone said it will be 55 degrees wednesday. I'm wondering when I can expect to be riding every day very comfortably... Depends on your gear, willingness, and what La Nina, El Nino, or "La Mamma" are doing in the Pacific. We've had snowless winters and snow on the cherry blossoms in April. Distance from the Bay and altitude are important: It'll be nice an green here in April, but the trees may still be bare on Catoctin & South Mountains. Late last April, we ran into ice and sleet in WV (Macomber), snow in Deep Creek, and I planted tomatoes in Bethesda the next week end. Predictability is iffy. Long ago, when I lived in Texas, the weather changed faster but was way more predictable. Summate about the proximity of the mountains with the ocean . . . and whether there's a hot political debate going on. I predict in this election year, the hot air from pundits alone will warm the month of March to May-like temperatures. Carl in Bethesda (hoping & wishing) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 19:47:28 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: music while riding Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:45:52 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hey Gimer.. what about Prodigy while cruising back from a 33/250 run? *grin* I'm a strong advicate of earplugs, and love my tuens, especially while riding out of town on the twisties. I love the tunes so much, I wired the CD player to the bikes charging system so I never needed batteries, I bough a $20 headphone amp (that'll run both speakers for me and a passanger), I installed speakers in my Arai helmet, with a quick-disconnect plug at the helmet. My $60 40sec anti-skip CD player was downright near impossible to skip (Todd Peer took me down a road that skipped it though.. sheesh) - course, the anti-skip chip burnt out after 2 years of riding like that - but I can write it off as a consumable. I can still hear emergency vehicle sirens, horns, squeeling tires and dimly, tire noise. The things that are important to hear, are definatally there. Not to mention that (can't remember where I read it) there's a study showing that drivers are more alert WITH a radio/music playing at moderate levels. (Yea, yea.. don't throw the 'turning down the radio to search for a place' thing - that's short term concentration). Everyone's going to have an opinion... that's the nature of things. Personally, I'm interested in the CD w/MP3 capability players.. but only if it has some massive anti-skip (40 sec min). Guess I'll have to actually become interested in the MP3 fad though.. *sigh* and I wanted to avoid that chaos. Cheers, Brian McCoy P.S. Glenn dives like a madman - trying to slide the tires, and push their limits (car) all the time. Him getting 70k miles from those would be like Collin getting 10K from a set of 207GPs From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 21:18:07 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:17:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:47:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: dyno tuning Who did you talk to at Fast Lane?? Rick has one bonehead working the counter that always gets things wrong. Maybe he thought you needed a jet kit of some sort too.... In the past, I think their rate was $50/hour on the dyno....not sure if that includes the mechanic doing changes.. obviously some bikes are easier than others...A GSXR is designed for rapid carb/jetting changes, so you can do numberous changes in an hour, whereas a CBR is much mroe difficult. The best thing to do is to go down to their shop and talk with one of the mechanics, or Rick himself. Also, whoever you go to, be sure to take all the spare jets and such that came with your jet kit, otherwise you will end up paying for any jet changes.....(about $5-$8 per jet I believe) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 21:59:18 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:58:55 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:22:27 EST Subject: Several bikes for sale. (CHERRY GSXR!) GET YOURS NOW! Here's what I have up for grabs! Be the lucky buyer today! 1978 Honda Hawk II. 400cc air-cooled parallel twin. Blue. Great overall condition. Tires, chain and sprockets replaced recently. No rust, chrome is in good condition. Small Shoei fairing to acompany. Carbs will need cleaned/rebuilt, but nothing major. Excellent beginner bike for that loved one, or something cheap and fun. Front disc, rear drum. Comstar wheels.$450 obo. 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F 700cc ('84 tariff-beater motor) V4. Silver/grey custom paint. After market lower fairing. Rear tire near new, brand new front tire. New battery and chain. Dual Super-Trapps. Own a legendary sportbike! $1,000 obo. And my friend is selling.... 1996 Suzuki GSXR 3800 miles. New-ish tires. Properly broken in. Damn near mint condition...I have trouble believing the guy ever rode it at all!!! Two AGV helmets and a tank bag acompany. $7,000 negotiable. I believe it was the copper/brown colour-scheme. Any questions or comments, please e-mail me! If you know of anyone looking for a bike, pass this on. I'm trying to finance a race-bike (and my father wants his garage back). -Sean Jordan (703)-609-6147 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 22:21:33 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:21:09 -0500 (EST) From: Leon Begeman To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:50:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: BC 1100 Mine worked perfectly on Saturday. It was cold enough early in the morning that I got some ice in my drinking water, but the speedo stayed accurate. (BC1200, not 1100 but they're probably similar) Leon --- McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > Anybody notice problems with your BC 1100 during the > cold weather? Mine won't > register speed correctly until the temp get above > ,say 35 or so. > Bob > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 22:57:39 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 22:56:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Headers Anyone notice all the headers popping up in list mail recently? Whats with "ryan@XXXXXX" At 10:21 PM 2/2/2000 , Leon Begeman wrote: >Return-Path: >Received: from ns1.accn.org (ns1.accn.org [216.120.151.5]) > by tiberius.accn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08493 > for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:35:14 -0500 (EST) >Received: from tiberius.accn.org ([216.120.150.10]) > by ns1.accn.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08244 > for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:01:51 -0500 (EST) >Received: from meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) > by tiberius.accn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03126 > for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:59:55 -0500 (EST) >Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com >[128.11.23.76]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21012 for >; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:50:42 -0500 (EST) >Received: (qmail 27194 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2000 16:50:39 -0000 >Message-ID: <20000110165039.27193.qmail@XXXXXX> >Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 >08:50:39 PST >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:50:39 -0800 (PST) >Subject: Re: BC 1100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 23:03:53 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:03:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Jenspeed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Steven, That IS a good price on the Alpinestars.... I missed the original post, or I would have recommended a trip down to Fast Lane Cycles in Chantilly... Rick caries the Sidi Vertebrae boots at the same price you paid for the Alpinestars (in fact, I think they go for $225, but I may be mistaken.. haven't been in his shop in a while for obvious reasons). In my opinion, these are about the best boots you can buy right now. The Daytona Safety boot is arguably better, but at nearly $700 they better be!! The Vertebrae hold up very nicely through crashes...mine are still like new. Also, they have screw on toe sliders which are way more convenient to the glued or velcroed ones... Oh well... You still got a very good pair of boots at a very good price.. Collin Steven wrote: Just received my Alpinestars GP Tech boots, which were of the correct size thanks to some unselfish phone time on Paul's part, and couldn't be happier with the price ($235US) or service (not as fast as some, but look at that price). ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 23:18:40 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:18:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: car vs bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Glenn, The part of my argument is that for a pure commuter, mid 80's UJM bike, there is no need to be as anal as you are about your magna. It is a beautiful specimen for those that haven't seen it, looks like it should still be on the showroom floor... but don't be fooled, Glenn has ridden it many many miles. My point though, is that that is an exception to the rule.... The average econobox commuter doesn't get 3k mile oil changes.... they are lucky to get 10k mile oil changes... same for the bike .. push it back to say 5k or 6k... get oil filters by mail order at $4 a pop, use cheap $1/qt dino oil, use $40/tire cheng shin or IRC's that last 15k miles... a shaft drive will last the life of the bike with only a light greasing at tire change time...forget changing the oil in the shaft itself...spark plugs will last 10k miles or more easily, and only cost a buck apiece to replace etc. etc.... Glenn wrote: I don't see why this is so hard for some of you to figure out. Look at the maintenance requirements for just about ANY bike and you can they are much more frequent then just about any car. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 23:42:11 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:42:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: weird digest To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Anyone else notice weird things on the digest tonight?? Near the end, there were several posts that were originally sent several weeks ago... very weird. OK.. I'll concede to the gentleman from Gallows Road that the Corolla is a bit cheaper per mile in strict operating costs :) But I don't have to like it!! hehehe Like Todd said.. Aren't we required by law or something to spend 110% of our disposable income on motorcycles or motorcycle accessories?? (said in my best Hank Hill voice) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 04:26:29 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 04:25:21 EST Subject: Re: Headers To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I just checked. http://www.accn.org belongs to Copyright 1998 Allegan County Community Network (ACCN) ACCN - A business unit of the ACISD 2891 116th Ave. Allegan, MI 49010-9004 ACISD appears to be ALLEGAN COUNTY INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL DISTRICT http://www.accn.org/~acisd Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 07:56:24 2000 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: cost of riding (more) and long this time Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 07:55:40 -0500 >1. I think you're nuts to change plugs every 4k. My service >manual for the CB750 and the ST1100 (and as I recall the VT500) >says inspect every 8k and replace every 16. Maybe so but like I said I've replaced them @ 6K miles and they were in pretty bad shape. Of course they may last longer with commuting. Most of the time riding that bike is near redline since that is where peak HP is. Obviously commuting wouldn't be as brutal to the plugs. >2. This is sort of a bogus comparison since the Corolla isn't >driven with a chain. I'll give it to you, though had your >motorcycle NOT had so many miles, it would be a questionable >expense. Well your right but Mr. Norloff wanted ALL the expenses. I had to replace the chain on the bike and put a timing belt on the car. >3. I gave you the Regulator even though you didn't need it. Leave it out, I don't care. Its only about $150. I can recover that in bike tire mountings. >4. Battery! If it wasn't the regulator, there something very >wrong with your charging system. I have yet to replace the battery >in my CB750 (8 years old), and just recently did so on the ST1100 >(9 years old). Bogus expense. Good, I'm hoping I don't have the same problem with the VFR. Does anyone have any OTHER suggestions to what it might be? I've cleaned all the ground wires, replaced the regulator and it still boils the water right out of the battery. The part that really sux is that you can be riding down the road when the battery decides its had enough and then you have to limp the bike home. Worst time was when I was on 647 and it went out. >5. Another bogus expense. OEM on my bikes work just fine. Which expense? The things that I've replaced that were not OEM were the braided lines and they were half the cost of OEM. Other then something (like braided lines) which have an obvious advantage over OEM, I always use OEM. >6. Both figures based on 28,700 miles and your mpg estimates Looks about right, you might want to ass some cost for the brake pads for the car since they were not free and they usually last about 45K miles. >7. Based on guesstimate that the Corolla takes at least 1 more >quart than the magna, and allowing for 9.56 changes in 28,700 >miles. Filter cost is $6 and $3. Nope, believe it or not they take the same amount. Maybe the Magna only takes three quarts but I thought it was closer to 4. Anyhow, I know the Corolla takes 3.5 quarts with filter. The filter for the Corolla is actually smaller then the Magna filter. >Just looking at the numbers above, Glenns situation seems provable and >plausible. It costs more to operate the Magna than it does the >Corolla. >Tires seem to be the biggest expense culprit. If you costed them >equally, take away the bogus regulator/battery/brake line expenses, >the costs of operation of these two vehicles are within $200, the Magna >being more expensive. >There are a few things missing though. First off, Glenn is one of >the most fastidious people I know. He can't stand even a little >dirt on his babies, so some of this won't apply. He didn't mention >car wheel alignment. I don't care if you buy the best car tires in >the world, if your car is mis-aligned then kiss those tires goodbye >within 15k. The Corolla may be exceptional in keeping it's >alignment, I don't know. Yep, the car has been exceptional in its alignment. I try and not bounce off curbs. :-) When I replaced the tires @ 65K they wore pretty evenly so I didn't bother with an alignment. >Also, there was no mention of brake pads. Don't need em? Yeah, it was in there, towards the bottom. I mentioned that the bike wears them out about twice as fast as the car and they cost about the same. >Finally, someone mentioned this argument was like comparing apples >and oranges. Isn't it? I mean couldn't we compare bicycle maintenance >to car maintenance, mile/mile? How about busline commuters to >car commuters. Who pays more, mile/mile. It may be comparing apples to oranges but that wasn't the argument. The argument was that its cheaper to operate a car then a bike. Some people bring up the argument that the Magna should be compared to a more expensive car and a sportbike to something like a vette, 911, etc. My point is that people commuting (or at least me) are looking to save money and won't use a C5 vette as a commuter. I have no need to get to work 1 minute faster, I just want to get there and get there cheap. I've got an MR2 turbo but I wouldn't commute with it, it eats rear tires @ 14K and fronts @ 17K. Other parts and maintenance for that car will also be more expensive then my commuter car. >I just don't see the relevance of comparing the cost of maintaining >two very different vehicles. If it costs less to drive a car, and >that's all you care about, go drive a car. I personally have come >to terms that motorcycles demand 110% of my income, and that's just >fine. Because given the rational, pragmatic choice, I'd rather ride. Agreed we'd all rather be riding. For me I'd rather save the riding for times when I don't have to go to work. My commute is 99% straight and full of traffic. To me that's no fun. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 09:48:20 2000 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 06:48:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: To: "Charles V. Pena" , DC Cycles That's their going rate and I think it's a crock. How can you charge a $300 flat rate (minimum) for tuning that might take less than an hour? Even better is Battley cycles....they'll tell you that to have it running well will cost $300, but to have it REALLY running well will cost another couple hundred. I love the logic....but then again, they sell Harleys. Logic doesn't apply there. uhoh --- "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > ATTACHMENT part TEXT message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:12:48 -0500 > Subject: Dyno tuning > > Was wondering what a reasonable cost for dyno tuning > a bike is? Just > the actual tuning, all the stuff (e.g., exhaust, jet > kit, etc.) is > already installed. I was told $300 by the guys at > Fast Lane in > Chantilly, VA and wanted to know if that was about > right. Thanx! > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at > http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 10:05:00 2000 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 07:04:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: music while riding To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Brian McCoy wrote: > Hey Gimer.. what about Prodigy while cruising back > from a 33/250 run? > *grin* Prodigy works too....and apparently so does Crystal Method! Ask that freak Todd about that one! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 10:45:11 2000 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 10:41:54 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: music while riding To: Tom Gimer , Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Don't leave out The Chemical Brothers or Meat Beat Manifesto if you're interested in real jail-time ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 10:05 AM > To: Brian McCoy; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: music while riding > > > --- Brian McCoy wrote: > > Hey Gimer.. what about Prodigy while cruising back > > from a 33/250 run? > > *grin* > > Prodigy works too....and apparently so does Crystal > Method! Ask that freak Todd about that one! > > > -- > tg > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 11:01:47 2000 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:01:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: music while riding To: Todd Peer , Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Todd Peer wrote: > Don't leave out The Chemical Brothers or Meat Beat > Manifesto if you're interested in real jail-time ;-) I'm always interested in real jail-time Todd....you know that! But METAL is the way to get there quicker and stay longer. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 10:05 AM > > To: Brian McCoy; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: music while riding > > > > --- Brian McCoy wrote: > > > Hey Gimer.. what about Prodigy while cruising > > > back from a 33/250 run? > > > *grin* > > > > Prodigy works too....and apparently so does > > Crystal Method! Ask that freak Todd about that > > one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 15:28:31 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: , , Subject: message rule test Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:36:10 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 do what you please...delete or ignore From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 16:44:44 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 16:43:59 -0500 Tom Gimer asked, "...but how do you expect to get going fast enough in the twisties on a m/c without the assistance of, for example, Tool, Korn or White Zombie? At some point safety must take a back seat to Satan. ;)" Yeah, but I found listening to Kanda Bongo Man is a little too intense for this old fart in the twisties. I agree with Leon that music is a safety feature on long stretches. I get way more bored in my Volvo than on the Sabre -- but some music in the background helps keep me alert. Look at it this way, after umpity years of driving a motorcycle, your monkey does most of the driving. Your conscious brain is just along to enjoy the ride but, still needed for unusual stuff the monkey can't handle. So keep your conscious brain entertained and alert with scenery and twisties -- lacking that, Bob Wills, Ernest Tubbs, and Elton Britt sprinkled with some Tejano, Cajun, and Caribbean tunes keep me wiggling in the saddle. Carl in Bethesda. Jerry Gray and Dick Spotswood rule! From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 03:38:17 2000 Date: 4 Feb 2000 08:34:58 -0000 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:27:42 -0500 "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: >I disagree. the mindisc is going to be another one of the dying >technologies and its expensive to boot. Find a good portable CD player that >doesn't skip. There are some pretty good ones out there. Doubt that. MD's are real popular in Japan and picking up speed in Europe. I bought one to take on TDY's and love it. Much better than a CDR because you can swap tracks/edit/record on the fly with the portable unit. Battery life is also usually longer. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 03:47:04 2000 Date: 4 Feb 2000 08:43:47 -0000 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:Portable Motorcycle Audio... On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:43:01 -0500 "Kirt S." wrote: >Before ANYONE buys one of those dinky MP3 players to have music while you >ride, listen up. > >Several companies are making portable CD players (like the discman) that >play regular CDs, burned CD-R, burned CD-RW, and Mp3. If you really want long play time,check this out: http://www.pjbox.com/main.htm There's several of these coming out now. Instead of card memory they're using hard drives for huge amounts of storage. Only down side is the initial prices are still way up there. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 03:48:58 2000 Date: 4 Feb 2000 08:45:41 -0000 From: "Gil Nissley" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:31:21 -0800 (PST) Tom Gimer wrote: >Valid point here....but how do you expect to get going >fast enough in the twisties on a m/c without the >assistance of, for example, Tool, Korn or White >Zombie? At some point safety must take a back seat to >Satan. ;) Hey,don't forget to support the local folks. How about some godhead and Illuminati instead? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 04:41:16 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 04:40:37 EST Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dynaryder@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/4/00 3:53:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, dynaryder@XXXXXX writes: > Hey,don't forget to support the local folks. How about some godhead and > Illuminati instead? The band Gil mentions above (Godhead) are great if you want to hear something a little different that still has rock roots (read: Lots of guitar). The lead singer/creator of the band is a long time friend, and my old band used to open for them (back in my gothrock days...). You can pick up the CD at any tower records, and check out their website at http://www.godhead.com to hear some clips Small World :) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 06:40:17 2000 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Gil Nissley'" Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 06:39:39 -0500 Believe it. Sales here in the states have been sluggish to put it mildly. Their audio quality isn't on par with CD because of all the compression that's required to fit on such a small disc, etc. Of curse the benefits of a CD-R are obvious, make data backups, copy CD's, make compilations of you own music and they work anywhere you have a regular CD player. Glenn -----Original Message----- On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:27:42 -0500 "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: >I disagree. the mindisc is going to be another one of the dying >technologies and its expensive to boot. Find a good portable CD player that >doesn't skip. There are some pretty good ones out there. Doubt that. MD's are real popular in Japan and picking up speed in Europe. I bought one to take on TDY's and love it. Much better than a CDR because you can swap tracks/edit/record on the fly with the portable unit. Battery life is also usually longer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 07:43:33 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 04:43:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Capitol 1000 To: DC-Cycles A while back, someone asked about the status of the Capitol 1000. The web page is now up and running (http://www.cap1000.org). The dates will be June 9-11th. Louis ===== Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA 1999: Capitol 1000; New England 1000; FitE V http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 08:33:04 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 08:31:32 -0500 From: Jay Goddard X-Accept-Language: en To: dc-cycles Subject: Music while riding You want to be woken up, you want to move, you need SKA. I can't remember the last time I heard the Mighty Mighty Bosstones and kept it under 120 MPH. My riding buddy always knows when a good tune starts, he sees me tuck a little and move my foot to drop 2 gears. I can't wait to do it to him on my new ZX11. He is going to be sorry he agreed to do a 50CC with me in April. Hi I'm Jay, it been 2 weeks since I rode my bike. I passed someone over the double yellow in my truck today but it was not the same. I yelled stupid cager and everything. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:01:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: music while riding To: Todd Peer , Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Todd Peer wrote: > Don't leave out The Chemical Brothers or Meat Beat > Manifesto if you're interested in real jail-time ;-) I'm always interested in real jail-time Todd....you know that! But METAL is the way to get there quicker and stay longer. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 10:05 AM > > To: Brian McCoy; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: music while riding > > > > --- Brian McCoy wrote: > > > Hey Gimer.. what about Prodigy while cruising > > > back from a 33/250 run? > > > *grin* > > > > Prodigy works too....and apparently so does > > Crystal Method! Ask that freak Todd about that > > one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 08:54:42 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX'" Subject: cost of riding Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:54:06 -0500 >4. Battery! If it wasn't the regulator, there something very >wrong with your charging system. I have yet to replace the battery >in my CB750 (8 years old), and just recently did so on the ST1100 >(9 years old). Bogus expense. Glenn hoped, "Good, I'm hoping I don't have the same problem with the VFR. Does anyone have any OTHER suggestions to what it might be? I've cleaned all the ground wires, replaced the regulator and it still boils the water right out of the battery. The part that really sux is that you can be riding down the road when the battery decides its had enough and then you have to limp the bike home. Worst time was when I was on 647 and it went out." My Sabre ('85 700S) had a tendency to dry out the battery - before I installed the driving lights. Now, I run the lights (110Watts) most of the time and I've been surprised that I haven't had to add water for the past year or so. Maybe burning that extra wattage lets the regulator do it's job better. Might be a good $20 fix and increase your conspicuity. Oh, I've found that Sam's & Wally's battery hold up as well as Yuasa's in both the Sabre and Suzuki (GS450E) Colin suggested, ". . . get oil filters by mail order at $4 a pop" Cheapest I had found Honda OEM filters for the SabMags was $6.00 at Banzai (RIP) That's about the same as Fram MC filters for that series. Of course there're cage filter equivalents - but if Glenn runs mostly at high RPM, I'd guess the cage filter bypass valve would be open most of the time due to high oil pressure. FWIW, The Federales reimburse Motorcycles at $.26 per mile, cages at .$325 per mile, and aeroplanes at $.88 per mile. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 09:53:47 2000 From: Michael Jay To: "'Gil Nissley'" , t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:59:32 -0500 KJV Gospel of John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 10:30 I and my Father are one. Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: Gil Nissley [mailto:dynaryder@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 3:46 AM To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:31:21 -0800 (PST) Tom Gimer wrote: >Valid point here....but how do you expect to get going >fast enough in the twisties on a m/c without the >assistance of, for example, Tool, Korn or White >Zombie? At some point safety must take a back seat to >Satan. ;) Hey,don't forget to support the local folks. How about some godhead and Illuminati instead? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 10:20:10 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:19:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Michael Jay wrote: > KJV Gospel of John > > 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and > they follow me: Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are GLENN'S sheep! Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the language! > 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they > shall never perish, > neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. > 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than > all; and no man is able > to pluck them out of my Father's hand. > 10:30 I and my Father are one. > > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 10:51:51 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Tom Gimer" , Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:51:49 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 I just stepped into this thread, but if someone was sincerely refering to their own personal faith, there is no need for you to be so sarcastic and offensive. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:41 AM Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >--- Michael Jay wrote: >> KJV Gospel of John >> >> 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and >> they follow me: > >Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are >GLENN'S sheep! > >Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit >means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the >language! > > > >> 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they >> shall never perish, >> neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. >> 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than >> all; and no man is able >> to pluck them out of my Father's hand. >> 10:30 I and my Father are one. >> >> Mike Jay >> '82 XJ750RJ > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 10:52:26 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:52:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Thanks Louis. That was my and I am signing up today! Mark -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan To: DC-Cycles Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 7:54 AM Subject: Capitol 1000 >A while back, someone asked about the status of the Capitol 1000. The web page >is now up and running (http://www.cap1000.org). The dates will be June 9-11th. > >Louis > > >===== >Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours >Alexandria, VA >1999: Capitol 1000; New England 1000; FitE V >http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 11:38:42 2000 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:29:59 -0500 Organization: NCEA Book of John, but I'm no real expert, I had to look it up. I can handle pretty much any thread concerning guns, cagers, Harleys vs sportbikes, or heaven-forbid, the oil thread, but I have to speak up if I see anyone's faith getting a pounding here. I think the thread started because the discussion of musical choices on the road included mention of various speed/heavy metal music which brought up the link to Satan. Having been a serious fan of every musical form from Beethoven to Sid Vicious so I am aware of the many references to the occult in modern music, but this is usually the stupid ramblings of young male anti-social types who seize an opportunity to associate themselves with something that offends as many people as possible. Eventually, one ages to the point that their behavior is controlled by an organ more northward than their groin area and they realize how absolutely stupid associations with the dark side/anti-Christ/Devil are. To people of faith these references are like fingernails on chalkboards and they respond in defense of their beliefs. Making disparaging remarks on peoples' faith is similar to heaping upon others the same kind of abuse, discrimination, lack of understanding and outright hatred that much of the non-motorcycling world heaps on us motorcyclists. I am a motorcyclist because a key part of my soul enjoys it enough that I accept the risks and cost of participating in such an activity, but by no means is it the central part of my being; being a creature of God, a husband and family member are far more important. I believe that this is the same with many subscribers to this list, they just don't beat people over the head with it, that doesn't mean that they will sit by and let others disrespect their beliefs. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:20 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... --- Michael Jay wrote: > KJV Gospel of John > > 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and > they follow me: Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are GLENN'S sheep! Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the language! > 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they > shall never perish, > neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. > 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than > all; and no man is able > to pluck them out of my Father's hand. > 10:30 I and my Father are one. > > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:04:04 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:03:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... At 11:29 AM 2/4/00 , you wrote: >Book of John, but I'm no real expert, I had to look it up. I can handle >pretty much any thread concerning guns, cagers, Harleys vs sportbikes, or >heaven-forbid, the oil thread, but I have to speak up if I see anyone's >faith getting a pounding here. Not sure how the mention of thrasher bands resulted in scripture quoting. Especially with no explanation. Whats up Michael Jay? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:24:13 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:20:58 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: bernescut@XXXXXX, "'Tom Gimer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Gee Pontif, do you know Tom Gimer that well? Or were you simply being reactionary. He was making an inside joke that I actually laughed at (Usually I just laugh at Tom ;) Actually I'm glad he said something at all. Do people of faith merit some special place among us all? I can't help but cringe, when people feel they NEED to start quoting the bible at me. Oh, maybe I should have just bowed my head and whispered, "amen". NOT! As much as it may offend you that someone doesn't take anothers faith so seriously, it offends me equally to be sermonized without my permission. You can't dictate how people should adjust their attitude toward religious reactionaries, so take it to a religion list will you. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 11:30 AM > To: 'Tom Gimer'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > > Book of John, but I'm no real expert, I had to look it up. I can handle > pretty much any thread concerning guns, cagers, Harleys vs sportbikes, or > heaven-forbid, the oil thread, but I have to speak up if I see anyone's > faith getting a pounding here. I think the thread started because the > discussion of musical choices on the road included mention of various > speed/heavy metal music which brought up the link to Satan. Having been a > serious fan of every musical form from Beethoven to Sid Vicious so I am > aware of the many references to the occult in modern music, but this is > usually the stupid ramblings of young male anti-social types who seize an > opportunity to associate themselves with something that offends as many > people as possible. Eventually, one ages to the point that their > behavior > is controlled by an organ more northward than their groin area and they > realize how absolutely stupid associations with the dark > side/anti-Christ/Devil are. To people of faith these references are like > fingernails on chalkboards and they respond in defense of their beliefs. > Making disparaging remarks on peoples' faith is similar to heaping upon > others the same kind of abuse, discrimination, lack of understanding and > outright hatred that much of the non-motorcycling world heaps on us > motorcyclists. I am a motorcyclist because a key part of my soul > enjoys it > enough that I accept the risks and cost of participating in such an > activity, but by no means is it the central part of my being; being a > creature of God, a husband and family member are far more important. I > believe that this is the same with many subscribers to this list, > they just > don't beat people over the head with it, that doesn't mean that they will > sit by and let others disrespect their beliefs. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:20 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > --- Michael Jay wrote: > > KJV Gospel of John > > > > 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and > > they follow me: > > Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are > GLENN'S sheep! > > Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit > means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the > language! > > > > > 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they > > shall never perish, > > neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. > > 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than > > all; and no man is able > > to pluck them out of my Father's hand. > > 10:30 I and my Father are one. > > > > Mike Jay > > '82 XJ750RJ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:30:20 2000 From: Michael Jay To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: What's up (was RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio...) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:36:37 -0500 In response to your direct question: >Zombie? At some point safety must take a back seat to >Satan. ;) The above text was part of the message contained in my original reply. Hence the context for citing the Gospel of John 10:27-30 verses. Allllllllll righty then, I think we've covered all the bases this week: helmets, firearms, and religion. Anybody know a good salvage yard for UJMs? I need to get a brake handle for a Seca. Peace be with you, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:38:02 2000 From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:37:23 EST Subject: Motorcycle Hunting Again! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Greetings Fellow Bikers, I trust all is well with you and your winter riding. I am currently back in the market looking for good used sports bike to broaden my collection. If you or you know any one who is selling a good sports bike please e-mail me and let me know. Also, any of you guys and gals know a good website to find used motorcycles? Thanks, and have a wonderful day. B.Banks From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:39:34 2000 From: "Bruce Norton" To: Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:41:00 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Amen! Oh, guess I shouldn't have used that figure of speech. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Peer" > Gee Pontif, do you know Tom Gimer that well? Or were you simply being > reactionary. He was making an inside joke that I actually laughed at > (Usually I just laugh at Tom ;) Actually I'm glad he said something at all. > > Do people of faith merit some special place among us all? I can't help but > cringe, when people feel they NEED to start quoting the bible at me. Oh, > maybe I should have just bowed my head and whispered, "amen". NOT! As much > as it may offend you that someone doesn't take anothers faith so seriously, > it offends me equally to be sermonized without my permission. > > You can't dictate how people should adjust their attitude toward religious > reactionaries, so take it to a religion list will you. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] snip > > don't beat people over the head with it, that doesn't mean that they will > > sit by and let others disrespect their beliefs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:48:17 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Todd Peer" , , "'Tom Gimer'" , Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:47:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Todd: If it offends you or Tom so much, say so in a polite manner. But by being rude about it, he offended not only the poster, but many others on the list. Sorry, but dissing someone's faith is a lot more important than dissing their riding style or cycle-brand. So I believe it has no place here. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: bernescut@XXXXXX ; 'Tom Gimer' ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:41 PM Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >Gee Pontif, do you know Tom Gimer that well? Or were you simply being >reactionary. He was making an inside joke that I actually laughed at >(Usually I just laugh at Tom ;) Actually I'm glad he said something at all. > >Do people of faith merit some special place among us all? I can't help but >cringe, when people feel they NEED to start quoting the bible at me. Oh, >maybe I should have just bowed my head and whispered, "amen". NOT! As much >as it may offend you that someone doesn't take anothers faith so seriously, >it offends me equally to be sermonized without my permission. > >You can't dictate how people should adjust their attitude toward religious >reactionaries, so take it to a religion list will you. > >Todd > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 11:30 AM >> To: 'Tom Gimer'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >> >> >> Book of John, but I'm no real expert, I had to look it up. I can handle >> pretty much any thread concerning guns, cagers, Harleys vs sportbikes, or >> heaven-forbid, the oil thread, but I have to speak up if I see anyone's >> faith getting a pounding here. I think the thread started because the >> discussion of musical choices on the road included mention of various >> speed/heavy metal music which brought up the link to Satan. Having been a >> serious fan of every musical form from Beethoven to Sid Vicious so I am >> aware of the many references to the occult in modern music, but this is >> usually the stupid ramblings of young male anti-social types who seize an >> opportunity to associate themselves with something that offends as many >> people as possible. Eventually, one ages to the point that their >> behavior >> is controlled by an organ more northward than their groin area and they >> realize how absolutely stupid associations with the dark >> side/anti-Christ/Devil are. To people of faith these references are like >> fingernails on chalkboards and they respond in defense of their beliefs. >> Making disparaging remarks on peoples' faith is similar to heaping upon >> others the same kind of abuse, discrimination, lack of understanding and >> outright hatred that much of the non-motorcycling world heaps on us >> motorcyclists. I am a motorcyclist because a key part of my soul >> enjoys it >> enough that I accept the risks and cost of participating in such an >> activity, but by no means is it the central part of my being; being a >> creature of God, a husband and family member are far more important. I >> believe that this is the same with many subscribers to this list, >> they just >> don't beat people over the head with it, that doesn't mean that they will >> sit by and let others disrespect their beliefs. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Gimer [SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:20 AM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >> >> --- Michael Jay wrote: >> > KJV Gospel of John >> > >> > 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and >> > they follow me: >> >> Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are >> GLENN'S sheep! >> >> Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit >> means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the >> language! >> >> >> >> > 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they >> > shall never perish, >> > neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. >> > 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than >> > all; and no man is able >> > to pluck them out of my Father's hand. >> > 10:30 I and my Father are one. >> > >> > Mike Jay >> > '82 XJ750RJ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >> http://im.yahoo.com >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:54:44 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: , Subject: Re: Motorcycle Hunting Again! Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:54:38 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 There was a 1994 Honda F2 in the Post today for $3500. -----Original Message----- From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:53 PM Subject: Motorcycle Hunting Again! >Greetings Fellow Bikers, I trust all is well with you and your winter riding. > I am currently back in the market looking for good used sports bike to >broaden my collection. If you or you know any one who is selling a good >sports bike please e-mail me and let me know. Also, any of you guys and gals >know a good website to find used motorcycles? Thanks, and have a wonderful >day. > >B.Banks From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:09:28 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:06:16 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: Mark Kitchell , Todd Peer , bernescut@XXXXXX, "'Tom Gimer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal This whole conversation has no place here! But whether you believe it or not, it is here. Don't dictate to me the manner I present myself to this list. Who the hell are you to reprimand me? Does it even matter to you that maybe I was offended by someone quoting the fucking bible on a motorcycle discussion list? One other thing, nobody ever DISSED anybody elses faith. Go back and read the posts. T > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:mKitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:48 PM > To: Todd Peer; bernescut@XXXXXX; 'Tom Gimer'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > > Todd: > > If it offends you or Tom so much, say so in a polite manner. But by being > rude about it, he offended not only the poster, but many others > on the list. > Sorry, but dissing someone's faith is a lot more important than dissing > their riding style or cycle-brand. So I believe it has no place here. > > Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer > To: bernescut@XXXXXX ; 'Tom Gimer' > ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:41 PM > Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > > >Gee Pontif, do you know Tom Gimer that well? Or were you simply being > >reactionary. He was making an inside joke that I actually laughed at > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:10:02 2000 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Motorcycle Hunting Again! Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:01:24 -0500 Organization: NCEA http://www.2wheelsales.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/display.exe?partner=c2k&path=Auto~Motorcycle~Search http://www.cyclebytel.com/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/classifieds/rvs/front.htm http://www.traderonline.com/cycle/index.shtml I bought my last bike through this site. Hope these help Cedric Also, any of you guys and gals know a good website to find used motorcycles? Thanks, and have a wonderful day. B.Banks From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:14:28 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:20:50 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Accept-Language: en To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Hunting Again! I have an '89 zx-7 I'll sell you for $2000. It's a former racer and needs a little work. Here's a picture of it from last season. http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/rapids/1247 It doesn't look like that anymore (now it's all decked out in stock fairings) but the race fairings come with it, along with all the other stuff one collects in 11 years of ownership/racing. Needs about $400 worth of plastic and metal to repair some damage caused during an unfortunate incident, previously described on this list. Randy Moran EmergeOut wrote: > Greetings Fellow Bikers, I trust all is well with you and your winter riding. > I am currently back in the market looking for good used sports bike to > broaden my collection. If you or you know any one who is selling a good > sports bike please e-mail me and let me know. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:17:58 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Todd Peer" , , "'Tom Gimer'" , Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:17:43 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Obviously, the subtilties of being polite are lost on you. Go back to watching Jerry Springer mark -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: Mark Kitchell ; Todd Peer ; bernescut@XXXXXX ; 'Tom Gimer' ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 1:09 PM Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > >This whole conversation has no place here! But whether you believe it or >not, it is here. > >Don't dictate to me the manner I present myself to this list. Who the hell >are you to reprimand me? Does it even matter to you that maybe I was >offended by someone quoting the fucking bible on a motorcycle discussion >list? > >One other thing, nobody ever DISSED anybody elses faith. Go back and read >the posts. > >T > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:mKitchell@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:48 PM >> To: Todd Peer; bernescut@XXXXXX; 'Tom Gimer'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >> >> >> Todd: >> >> If it offends you or Tom so much, say so in a polite manner. But by being >> rude about it, he offended not only the poster, but many others >> on the list. >> Sorry, but dissing someone's faith is a lot more important than dissing >> their riding style or cycle-brand. So I believe it has no place here. >> >> Mark >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Todd Peer >> To: bernescut@XXXXXX ; 'Tom Gimer' >> ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:41 PM >> Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >> >> >> >Gee Pontif, do you know Tom Gimer that well? Or were you simply being >> >reactionary. He was making an inside joke that I actually laughed at >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:32:40 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:32:05 EST Subject: Ducs at Winchester Indian To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not sure if the word has gotten around yet, but Winchester Indian now sells Ducatis. Apparently they just took over another dealership's franchise a few months ago. I was there today and noted they had '99 Supersport 750 Full/Half-fairing for $7995/7295 and '99 Supersport 900 Full/Half-fairing for $9495/8795. They're very eager to cut a deal. I didn't get the prices, but they also had '99 leftover ST2 and ST4. Hope this helps any Duc hunters out there! Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:42:53 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:42:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Forgive me, Father Kitchell, for I have sinned. Let's drop it, I was only attempting to quickly bring an end to any bullshit discussion regarding religion on the cycles list. I should have included a smiley, I guess. BTW, as far as I know, neither Tool, Korn, nor White Zombie are affiliated with Satan....someone should have spotted that. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I just stepped into this thread, but if someone was > sincerely refering to > their own personal faith, there is no need for you > to be so sarcastic and > offensive. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer > > >--- Michael Jay wrote: > >> KJV Gospel of John > >> > >> 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, > >> and they follow me: > > > >Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are > >GLENN'S sheep! > > > >Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit > >means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the > >language! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:45:16 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Michael Jay Cc: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What's up (was RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio...) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 21:43:59 GMT On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:36:37 -0500 , you wrote: |>Anybody know a good salvage yard for UJMs? |> |>I need to get a brake handle for a Seca. motosalvage.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:45:20 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ducs at Winchester Indian Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:41:32 -0800 Also, for what it's worth... I met Triumph's Regional Director at the Cleveland show last week and he told me that Winchester Indian is (will be?) carrying Triumph. Sounds like Battley's is getting out of it, or greatly reducing their involvement. Perry -----Original Message----- From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [mailto:NJitzul@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 1:32 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ducs at Winchester Indian Not sure if the word has gotten around yet, but Winchester Indian now sells Ducatis. Apparently they just took over another dealership's franchise a few months ago. I was there today and noted they had '99 Supersport 750 Full/Half-fairing for $7995/7295 and '99 Supersport 900 Full/Half-fairing for $9495/8795. They're very eager to cut a deal. I didn't get the prices, but they also had '99 leftover ST2 and ST4. Hope this helps any Duc hunters out there! Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:49:22 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: What's up (was RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio...) To: Michael Jay , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Michael Jay wrote: > In response to your direct question: > > >Zombie? At some point safety must take a back seat > >to Satan. ;) > > The above text was part of the message > contained in my original reply. > > Hence the context for citing the > Gospel of John 10:27-30 verses. And my subsequent post was an absolute joke....I think everybody except Cedric and Mark picked up on that. If it offended anyone, I apologize....one can joke about religion and still practice it. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:58:44 2000 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:50:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: Mark Kitchell Cc: Todd Peer , bernescut@XXXXXX, "'Tom Gimer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Faith has no place here. --chris To: Todd Peer , bernescut@XXXXXX, 'Tom Gimer' , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Mark Kitchell Date: 02/04/2000 05:47:52 PM GMT Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Todd: If it offends you or Tom so much, say so in a polite manner. But by being rude about it, he offended not only the poster, but many others on the list. Sorry, but dissing someone's faith is a lot more important than dissing their riding style or cycle-brand. So I believe it has no place here. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 14:01:26 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:02:20 +0000 To: Tom Gimer , Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... They all ROCK, but I don't think any of them are "satan" worshippers...if you believe in that stuff... Oh, and another band to consider for tearing up the streets is Ministry...can't remember the name of the CD, but even when I was in the car I'd drive with a bit more "spirit," so to speak. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 10:42 AM 2/4/00 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >Forgive me, Father Kitchell, for I have sinned. > >Let's drop it, I was only attempting to quickly bring >an end to any bullshit discussion regarding religion >on the cycles list. I should have included a smiley, >I guess. > >BTW, as far as I know, neither Tool, Korn, nor White >Zombie are affiliated with Satan....someone should >have spotted that. > > >--- Mark Kitchell >wrote: >> I just stepped into this thread, but if someone was >> sincerely refering to >> their own personal faith, there is no need for you >> to be so sarcastic and >> offensive. >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Gimer >> >> >--- Michael Jay wrote: >> >> KJV Gospel of John >> >> >> >> 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, >> >> and they follow me: >> > >> >Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are >> >GLENN'S sheep! >> > >> >Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit >> >means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the >> >language! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com Jeannette L. Zell From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 14:15:24 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:11:33 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > > Faith has no place here. > > --chris Now THAT is funny! LOL. > > To: Todd Peer , bernescut@XXXXXX, > 'Tom Gimer' > , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: Mark Kitchell > Date: 02/04/2000 05:47:52 PM GMT > Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > > > Todd: > > If it offends you or Tom so much, say so in a polite manner. But by being > rude about it, he offended not only the poster, but many others > on the list. > Sorry, but dissing someone's faith is a lot more important than dissing > their riding style or cycle-brand. So I believe it has no place here. > > Mark > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 14:24:38 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:21:01 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: Jeannette Zell , Tom Gimer , Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Yes, but I've heard if you play Ministry backwards (can you play a CD backward ;-) your helmet visor melts and warps, the asphalt in front of you turns to crusty lava and the sky milks over with a pukey green. Don't EVEN look in your rearview, because the devil himself will be bearing down on you in a non-descript mommy-van, his huge shoulders and horns stuffing out of the windows and roof, and his one gold tooth glinting in a lunatic grin. I don't care if you own a Hayabusa, you shouldn't have played that CD backward, now you gonna getit. ;-) T > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 9:02 AM > To: Tom Gimer; Mark Kitchell; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > > They all ROCK, but I don't think any of them are "satan" worshippers...if > you believe in that stuff... > > Oh, and another band to consider for tearing up the streets is > Ministry...can't remember the name of the CD, but even when I was in the > car I'd drive with a bit more "spirit," so to speak. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 10:42 AM 2/4/00 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: > >Forgive me, Father Kitchell, for I have sinned. > > > >Let's drop it, I was only attempting to quickly bring > >an end to any bullshit discussion regarding religion > >on the cycles list. I should have included a smiley, > >I guess. > > > >BTW, as far as I know, neither Tool, Korn, nor White > >Zombie are affiliated with Satan....someone should > >have spotted that. > > > > > >--- Mark Kitchell > >wrote: > >> I just stepped into this thread, but if someone was > >> sincerely refering to > >> their own personal faith, there is no need for you > >> to be so sarcastic and > >> offensive. > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Tom Gimer > >> > >> >--- Michael Jay wrote: > >> >> KJV Gospel of John > >> >> > >> >> 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, > >> >> and they follow me: > >> > > >> >Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are > >> >GLENN'S sheep! > >> > > >> >Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit > >> >means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the > >> >language! > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com > > Jeannette L. Zell > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 14:26:41 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:25:58 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Faith has no place here. > > --chris Uhhhh, Faith No More! Hey, we're back on topic how bout dem apples. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 14:52:53 2000 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:43:45 -0500 Organization: NCEA We care a lot :) Cedric snip Uhhhh, Faith No More! Hey, we're back on topic how bout dem apples. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 15:01:39 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: religion, etc Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:01:36 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List: If I appeared too anal in these past threads, my apologizes. If you knew me well, you wouldn't consider me a bible-thumper. Its just that I think this list can use some more courtesy sometimes. The snow and crashed bike is getting to me. Sun, please come out. mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 15:37:04 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:35:36 EST Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: jzell@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, mKitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/4/00 2:06:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, jzell@XXXXXX writes: > Oh, and another band to consider for tearing up the streets is > Ministry...can't remember the name of the CD, but even when I was in the > car I'd drive with a bit more "spirit," so to speak. > If I were a betting man, I'd say you mean 'A Mind is a Terrible Thing', circa 1989. Great CD. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 15:39:00 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:37:48 EST Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, jzell@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, mKitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Remarkably enough, one of their recent hits is titled 'Jesus built my Hotrod'. - Bri In a message dated 2/4/00 2:29:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > Yes, but I've heard if you play Ministry backwards (can you play a CD > backward ;-) your helmet visor melts and warps, the asphalt in front of you > turns to crusty lava and the sky milks over with a pukey green. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 15:39:09 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 15:44:37 +0000 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, mKitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Ah, yes, that would be it. Thanks. : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 03:35 PM 2/4/00 -0500, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 2/4/00 2:06:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, jzell@XXXXXX >writes: > >> Oh, and another band to consider for tearing up the streets is >> Ministry...can't remember the name of the CD, but even when I was in the >> car I'd drive with a bit more "spirit," so to speak. >> > >If I were a betting man, I'd say you mean 'A Mind is a Terrible Thing', circa >1989. Great CD. > >- Bri Jeannette L. Zell From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 15:40:37 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:40:02 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: religion, etc On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > List: > > If I appeared too anal in these past threads, my apologizes. If you knew me > well, you wouldn't consider me a bible-thumper. Its just that I think this > list can use some more courtesy sometimes. > I think that most of the rudeness on this list is meant in jest. I've met a whole bunch of the folks on this list at various times and they've struck me as an easy going lot. You gotta expect a certain amount of rudeness from a bunch of filthy biker scum. After all this isn't a BMW ;-). ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 16:20:06 2000 From: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX Subject: important off topic petition To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:26:58 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN01.Spg.Va/RCN(Release 5.0.2 |November 4, 1999) at 02/04/2000 04:27:06 PM All, Sorry about the political off topic E-mailing but this is something that I think we should all be concerned with. Funding for the N.E.A. is one of the best ways that we can enrich our lives relatively easily. It doesn't raise our taxes significantly. The N.E.A. funds national public radio, museums, traveling museum exhibits, public art projects, free concerts, and individual artists. It gives many who don't have the privilege to collect art the chance to view and promote those artists that might not otherwise get widespread acceptance. And most importantly it doesn't hurt anybody or anything, like say some foreign policy decisions or questionable research. So please take the time to read the following petition, and take action that you deem appropriate. Thank-You James On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Totenberg reported > >> > that if the Supreme Court supports Congress to cut the > >> > budget of the National Endowment of the Arts, it is in > >> > effect the end of NEA. This situation creates great > >> > concerns about Congressional funding for creative arts > >> > in America, since NEA provides major support for NPR > >> > (National Public Radio), PBS (Public Broadcasting > >> > System), and numerous other creative and performing > >> > arts. If NEA is lost or weakened, our lives will be > >> > similarly diminished. > >> > In spite of the efforts of each station to reduce > >> > spending costs and streamline their services, some > >> > government officials believe that the funding > >> > currently going to these programs is too large a > >> > portion of funding for something which is seen as > >> > not worthwhile. > >> > > >> > Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS equal > >> > $1.12 per person per year, and the National Endowment > >> > for the Arts equals $.64 a year. A January 1995 > >> > CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll indicated that 76% of > >> > Americans wish to keep funding for PBS, third only to > >> > national defense and law enforcement as the most > >> > valuable programs for federal funding. > >> > > >> > Please add your name to this list and forward it to > >> > friends who you believe are in favor of what this > >> > stands for. The full list will be forwarded to the > >> > President of the United States, the Vice President, > >> > and the Speaker of the House, whose office has in the > >> > past been the instigator of the action to cut funding > >> > to these worthwhile programs. >This petition is being passed around the Internet. > >> > Please add your name to it so that funding can be > >> > maintained for the NEA, NPR, and PBS. THIS IS OUR > >> > CHANCE TO MAKE INTERNET TECHNOLOGY WORK AS A VOICE IN > >> > OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. IT'S EASIER THAN EVER TO MAKE > >> > OUR VOICES HEARD. > >> > > >> > Please keep the petition rolling. Do not reply to me. > >> > Sign your name and locale to the list and forward it > >> > to others to sign. If you prefer not to, please send > >> > the list to the email address given below. This is > >> > being forwarded to numerous people at once to add > >> > their names to the petition. > >> > > >> > It won't matter if many people receive the same list, > >> > as the names are being managed. This is for anyone who > >> > thinks NPR and PBS deserve $1.12/year of their taxes. > >> > > >> > If you sign, please forward the list to others. If > >> > not, please don't kill it. If you happen to be the > >> > 150th, 200th, 250th, etc., signer of this petition, > >> > please forward a copy to: > >> > wein2688@XXXXXX This way we can keep > >> > track of the lists and organize them. Forward this to > >> > everyone you know, and help us to keep these programs > >> > alive. Thank you. > >> > > >> > NOTE: It is preferable that you SELECT the entirety of > >> > this letter and then COPY it into a NEW outgoing > >> > message, rather than simply forwarding it. In > >> > your new outgoing message, add your name to the > >> > bottom of the list, then send it on. Or, if the option > >> > is available, do a > >> > SEND AGAIN. >278. James Hoofnagle Oakton, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 16:25:26 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:24:51 EST Subject: Re: Triumph at Winchester Indian To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/4/00 1:49:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: > told me that Winchester Indian is (will be?) carrying Triumph A friend bought a Triumph out there last May, so they've been there for some time. The last time I was out there the floor was jammed with bikes, maybe they'll have to keep the Ducs outside.;) And why are they still calling themselves Winchester Indian? Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 16:34:57 2000 From: DGlassJr@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:34:21 EST Subject: Re: important off topic petition To: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/4/00 4:25:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX writes: Kindly keep your politics to yourself. If the NEA would not promote pornography and tastelessness then maybe...just maybe they would have a place in my heart. As of now I think they deserve what they are getting...which I hope is nothing. By the way if every taxpayer would just send me 1 penny, I could pay cash for that new Duc that I want. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 16:36:13 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 16:35:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: non-important off topic petition Please keep it off list. It isn't something we should all be concerned with. It is something that you are concerned with, and has nothing to do with biking in the area. Personally - I'll be happy to see the NEA go away. Waste of tax money that could and should be gathered from private donations. Please don't reply to me on-list. Now - back to our religion discussions. ;-) At 04:26 PM 2/4/00 , James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX wrote: >All, > Sorry about the political off topic E-mailing but this is something >that I think we should all be concerned with. Funding for the N.E.A. is >one of the best ways that we can enrich our lives relatively easily. It >doesn't raise our taxes significantly. The N.E.A. funds national public >radio, museums, traveling museum exhibits, public art projects, free >concerts, and individual artists. It gives many who don't have the >privilege to collect art the chance to view and promote those artists that >might not otherwise get widespread acceptance. And most importantly it >doesn't hurt anybody or anything, like say some foreign policy decisions or >questionable research. So please take the time to read the following >petition, and take action that you deem appropriate. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 16:42:21 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:27:21 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: important off topic petition To: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I forget, which part of the Consitution authorizes my tax dollars to go to this? If the Constitution doesn't specifically authorize it, it is illegal. Not to mention that the NEA shouldn't exist anyway. (I feel the same way about NPR.) Leon. --- James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX wrote: > > All, > Sorry about the political off topic E-mailing > but this is something > that I think we should all be concerned with. > Funding for the N.E.A. is > one of the best ways that we can enrich our lives > relatively easily. It > doesn't raise our taxes significantly. The N.E.A. > funds national public > radio, museums, traveling museum exhibits, public > art projects, free > concerts, and individual artists. It gives many who > don't have the > privilege to collect art the chance to view and > promote those artists that > might not otherwise get widespread acceptance. And > most importantly it > doesn't hurt anybody or anything, like say some > foreign policy decisions or > questionable research. So please take the time to > read the following > petition, and take action that you deem appropriate. > Thank-You > James > > > On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Totenberg reported > > > >> > that if the Supreme Court supports Congress to > cut the > > > >> > budget of the National Endowment of the Arts, > it is in > > > >> > effect the end of NEA. This situation creates > great > > > >> > concerns about Congressional funding for > creative arts > > > >> > in America, since NEA provides major support > for NPR > > > >> > (National Public Radio), PBS (Public > Broadcasting > > > >> > System), and numerous other creative and > performing > > > >> > arts. If NEA is lost or weakened, our lives > will be > > > >> > similarly diminished. > > > >> > In spite of the efforts of each station to > reduce > > > >> > spending costs and streamline their services, > some > > > >> > government officials believe that the funding > > > >> > currently going to these programs is too large > a > > > >> > portion of funding for something which is seen > as > > > >> > not worthwhile. > > > >> > > > > >> > Currently, taxes from the general public for > PBS equal > > > >> > $1.12 per person per year, and the National > Endowment > > > >> > for the Arts equals $.64 a year. A January > 1995 > > > >> > CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll indicated that 76% > of > > > >> > Americans wish to keep funding for PBS, third > only to > > > >> > national defense and law enforcement as the > most > > > >> > valuable programs for federal funding. > > > >> > > > > >> > Please add your name to this list and forward > it to > > > >> > friends who you believe are in favor of what > this > > > >> > stands for. The full list will be forwarded to > the > > > >> > President of the United States, the Vice > President, > > > >> > and the Speaker of the House, whose office has > in the > > > >> > past been the instigator of the action to cut > funding > > > >> > to these worthwhile programs. > >This petition is being passed around the Internet. > > > >> > Please add your name to it so that funding can > be > > > >> > maintained for the NEA, NPR, and PBS. THIS IS > OUR > > > >> > CHANCE TO MAKE INTERNET TECHNOLOGY WORK AS A > VOICE IN > > > >> > OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. IT'S EASIER THAN EVER > TO MAKE > > > >> > OUR VOICES HEARD. > > > >> > > > > >> > Please keep the petition rolling. Do not reply > to me. > > > >> > Sign your name and locale to the list and > forward it > > > >> > to others to sign. If you prefer not to, > please send > > > >> > the list to the email address given below. > This is > > > >> > being forwarded to numerous people at once to > add > > > >> > their names to the petition. > > > >> > > > > >> > It won't matter if many people receive the > same list, > > > >> > as the names are being managed. This is for > anyone who > > > >> > thinks NPR and PBS deserve $1.12/year of their > taxes. > > > >> > > > > >> > If you sign, please forward the list to > others. If > > > >> > not, please don't kill it. If you happen to be > the > > > >> > 150th, 200th, 250th, etc., signer of this > petition, > > > >> > please forward a copy to: > > > >> > wein2688@XXXXXX This way we can > keep > > > >> > track of the lists and organize them. Forward > this to > > > >> > everyone you know, and help us to keep these > programs > > > >> > alive. Thank you. > > > >> > > > > >> > NOTE: It is preferable that you SELECT the > entirety of > > > >> > this letter and then COPY it into a NEW > outgoing > > > >> > message, rather than simply forwarding it. In > > > >> > your new outgoing message, add your name to > the > > > >> > bottom of the list, then send it on. Or, if > the option > > > >> > is available, do a > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 16:43:59 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: , Subject: Re: important off topic petition Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:43:43 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Oh boy, here comes another one! -----Original Message----- From: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: important off topic petition > >All, > Sorry about the political off topic E-mailing but this is something >that I think we should all be concerned with. Funding for the N.E.A. is >one of the best ways that we can enrich our lives relatively easily. It >doesn't raise our taxes significantly. The N.E.A. funds national public >radio, museums, traveling museum exhibits, public art projects, free >concerts, and individual artists. It gives many who don't have the >privilege to collect art the chance to view and promote those artists that >might not otherwise get widespread acceptance. And most importantly it >doesn't hurt anybody or anything, like say some foreign policy decisions or >questionable research. So please take the time to read the following >petition, and take action that you deem appropriate. >Thank-You >James > > > On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Totenberg reported >> >>> > that if the Supreme Court supports Congress to cut the >> >>> > budget of the National Endowment of the Arts, it is in >> >>> > effect the end of NEA. This situation creates great >> >>> > concerns about Congressional funding for creative arts >> >>> > in America, since NEA provides major support for NPR >> >>> > (National Public Radio), PBS (Public Broadcasting >> >>> > System), and numerous other creative and performing >> >>> > arts. If NEA is lost or weakened, our lives will be >> >>> > similarly diminished. >> >>> > In spite of the efforts of each station to reduce >> >>> > spending costs and streamline their services, some >> >>> > government officials believe that the funding >> >>> > currently going to these programs is too large a >> >>> > portion of funding for something which is seen as >> >>> > not worthwhile. >> >>> > >> >>> > Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS equal >> >>> > $1.12 per person per year, and the National Endowment >> >>> > for the Arts equals $.64 a year. A January 1995 >> >>> > CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll indicated that 76% of >> >>> > Americans wish to keep funding for PBS, third only to >> >>> > national defense and law enforcement as the most >> >>> > valuable programs for federal funding. >> >>> > >> >>> > Please add your name to this list and forward it to >> >>> > friends who you believe are in favor of what this >> >>> > stands for. The full list will be forwarded to the >> >>> > President of the United States, the Vice President, >> >>> > and the Speaker of the House, whose office has in the >> >>> > past been the instigator of the action to cut funding >> >>> > to these worthwhile programs. >>This petition is being passed around the Internet. >> >>> > Please add your name to it so that funding can be >> >>> > maintained for the NEA, NPR, and PBS. THIS IS OUR >> >>> > CHANCE TO MAKE INTERNET TECHNOLOGY WORK AS A VOICE IN >> >>> > OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. IT'S EASIER THAN EVER TO MAKE >> >>> > OUR VOICES HEARD. >> >>> > >> >>> > Please keep the petition rolling. Do not reply to me. >> >>> > Sign your name and locale to the list and forward it >> >>> > to others to sign. If you prefer not to, please send >> >>> > the list to the email address given below. This is >> >>> > being forwarded to numerous people at once to add >> >>> > their names to the petition. >> >>> > >> >>> > It won't matter if many people receive the same list, >> >>> > as the names are being managed. This is for anyone who >> >>> > thinks NPR and PBS deserve $1.12/year of their taxes. >> >>> > >> >>> > If you sign, please forward the list to others. If >> >>> > not, please don't kill it. If you happen to be the >> >>> > 150th, 200th, 250th, etc., signer of this petition, >> >>> > please forward a copy to: >> >>> > wein2688@XXXXXX This way we can keep >> >>> > track of the lists and organize them. Forward this to >> >>> > everyone you know, and help us to keep these programs >> >>> > alive. Thank you. >> >>> > >> >>> > NOTE: It is preferable that you SELECT the entirety of >> >>> > this letter and then COPY it into a NEW outgoing >> >>> > message, rather than simply forwarding it. In >> >>> > your new outgoing message, add your name to the >> >>> > bottom of the list, then send it on. Or, if the option >> >>> > is available, do a >> >>> > SEND AGAIN. > >>278. James Hoofnagle Oakton, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 16:47:40 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:47:30 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , CC: Subject: Re: important off topic petition >If the NEA would not promote pornography and tastelessness then >maybe...just maybe they would have a place in my heart. Agreed, and well said. Buzz off, art majors. Get real jobs. >By the way if every taxpayer would just send me 1 penny, I >could pay cash for that new Duc that I want. NOW we are talking art! Ducati's are beautiful! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 16:55:10 2000 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: important off topic petition Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:46:07 -0500 Organization: NCEA Would it be tax deductible? Cedric snip By the way if every taxpayer would just send me 1 penny, I could pay cash for that new Duc that I want. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 16:58:28 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 16:57:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Trim Replies Before you hit that reply key - take a second and trim the message you are replying to. Several people replied to the NEA petition and left the whole thing intact. I'm not on digest - but I feel bad for those that are! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 17:06:42 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: DGlassJr@XXXXXX Cc: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: important off topic petition Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 01:06:08 GMT On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:34:21 EST, you wrote: |>In a message dated 2/4/00 4:25:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 |>James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX writes: |> |>Kindly keep your politics to yourself. If the NEA would not promote=20 |>pornography and tastelessness then maybe...just maybe they would have a= place=20 |>in my heart. As of now I think they deserve what they are = getting...which I=20 |>hope is nothing. By the way if every taxpayer would just send me 1 = penny, I=20 |>could pay cash for that new Duc that I want. I would like to second that.. why should art be subsidized? When you get homeless people housed, Jobless people employed, criminals into lawful citizens, and children educated..... then maybe.. we should consider spending money on art and radio prograns and concerts.. until then, tax money should be spent on more important priorities. I feel the NEA shouldn't exist. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 17:09:12 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'horkster@XXXXXX'" , James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX, DGlassJr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: important off topic petition Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:09:35 -0500 Whoa there. Just chill out. Remember we have people of all walks of life on this list, including BFAs (Bachelor of Fine Arts) like myself. And I have a "real" job, by the way. Would you still like me to buzz off? Just as it was annoying to read that NEA posting, it's annoying to read postings pissing and moaning about the other side of the issue. It sure would also be nice if we could all stop insulting each other. There seems to have been a lot of that on the list lately. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 4:47 PM > To: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX; DGlassJr@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: important off topic petition > > > >If the NEA would not promote pornography and tastelessness then > >maybe...just maybe they would have a place in my heart. > > Agreed, and well said. Buzz off, art majors. Get real jobs. > > >By the way if every taxpayer would just send me 1 penny, I > >could pay cash for that new Duc that I want. > > NOW we are talking art! Ducati's are beautiful! > > Horkster > > > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > Horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 17:13:29 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:13:22 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: important off topic petition ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman > (I feel the same way about NPR.) WTF is NPR? :) I figure easily 50% of government is redundant and unnecessary. But we've still got the best government in the world. Damn shame. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 17:17:17 2000 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: important off topic petition Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:08:42 -0500 Organization: NCEA Remember, Public Television gave us this friendly guy: http://www.outofservice.com/barney/ Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Horkster [SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 4:48 PM To: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX; DGlassJr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: important off topic petition >If the NEA would not promote pornography and tastelessness then >maybe...just maybe they would have a place in my heart. Agreed, and well said. Buzz off, art majors. Get real jobs. >By the way if every taxpayer would just send me 1 penny, I >could pay cash for that new Duc that I want. NOW we are talking art! Ducati's are beautiful! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 17:20:52 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: NY trip 2/5/99 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:18:38 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Who is going tomorrow? Does anyone have the information that Anita sent out today? I left it at school. Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 17:33:26 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 17:38:24 +0000 To: "Weaver, Chris" , "'horkster@XXXXXX'" , James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX, DGlassJr@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: RE: important off topic petition Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I agree. Staying away from religion & politics is usually wise in large forums. I'm just lucky, it's very hard to offend me. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 05:09 PM 2/4/00 -0500, Weaver, Chris wrote: >Whoa there. Just chill out. Remember we have people of all walks of life on >this list, including BFAs (Bachelor of Fine Arts) like myself. And I have a >"real" job, by the way. Would you still like me to buzz off? Just as it was >annoying to read that NEA posting, it's annoying to read postings pissing >and moaning about the other side of the issue. > >It sure would also be nice if we could all stop insulting each other. There >seems to have been a lot of that on the list lately. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 > > >> Jeannette L. Zell From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 17:34:52 2000 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 17:36:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: digest please switch me to digest From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 17:41:57 2000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: PC800... Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:40:58 PST Whoever wrote: > >I HATE RAIN! complaining about rain in the SF Bay area should try the last two and a half weeks here in the DC suburbs and northern VA area... where it snows a bit, then a bit more, then it snows about a foot, then ice, then fluries a bit more. Each time it snows/ices the plow tries, but just can't quite clear it all off my street. It puts what it does clear in my driveway. WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE CHOP THE ALL THE ICE OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY !!!!!!?? There I feel much better... Despite it all I have missed only three days motorcycling to work. :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 17:43:29 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Re: important off topic petition Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:41:35 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is all a result of P.S.S.... "Pre Spring/Summer Syndrome" :) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Weaver, Chris To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 5:09 PM Subject: RE: important off topic petition > Whoa there. Just chill out. Remember snip....> > It sure would also be nice if we could all stop insulting each other. There > seems to have been a lot of that on the list lately. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 17:45:40 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Anita's e-mail addy Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:43:42 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone have her new address? Please forward it to me. Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 18:01:55 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:00:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Anita's email addy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: adl64@XXXXXX Danny, She uses a bigfoot redirector, so you can always reach her via: adl64@XXXXXX She also reads Morris' web thread of the list on occasion, so she's probably already replied to you since I told her about not one but two flame wars popping up today :) Thank you Morris for that page.. I've been able to thread through all the mish mash and read the normal posts so the digest is going straight to the trashola can tonight! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 18:01:30 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 17:59:04 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: mriderleon@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: important off topic petition NPR - National Public Radio, which tends to be on the flaming a-hole liberal side. Like NEA, which occassionaly features art that includes *OHMIGOD* bare breasts or the like, NPR is not a fav among the tight-ass right wankers. Bill a moderate who views all extremes with amusement Horkster wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Leon Begeman > > > (I feel the same way about NPR.) > > WTF is NPR? :) > > I figure easily 50% of government is redundant and unnecessary. > But we've still got the best government in the world. Damn shame. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > Horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 18:03:51 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:00:15 -0500 From: JEM Broga Subject: Photos from Roebling To: TSKent@XXXXXX, Susan_Hoyt@XXXXXX, holtr@XXXXXX, HoltKE@XXXXXX, Brian Healea , CBroga@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_SvYIzVgutMTnOftnVAkvYA) For those that might be interested, I posted a few new photos of my = reworked SV from the Roebling weekend in GA. Not high action, but I am = happy with how the bike turned out. I will try to catch SV and DC = listers at the track and post their bikes here too once the season = starts rolling. http://members2.clubphoto.com/jem217423/First_Album/ Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS#500 Sponsers: http://www.speed-werks.com/ http://www.centurypool.com/ --Boundary_(ID_SvYIzVgutMTnOftnVAkvYA)
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--Boundary_(ID_SvYIzVgutMTnOftnVAkvYA)-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 18:08:30 2000 From: "Swifty" To: "Weaver, Chris" , , , Cc: Subject: Re: important off topic petition Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:11:34 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 What ever happened to separation of church and politics and motorcycle mail lists???????????? From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 18:18:32 2000 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:17:02 EST Subject: Re: important off topic petition To: bhuson@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX CC: mriderleon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Anyone want to discuss rear brake usage??? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 18:26:59 2000 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:29:08 -0500 To: "Swifty" , "Weaver, Chris" , , , From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: important off topic petition Cc: quiet old man! At 06:11 PM 2/4/00 -0500, Swifty wrote: >What ever happened to separation of church and politics and motorcycle mail >lists???????????? > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 18:27:03 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:26:55 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: important off topic petition Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone want to discuss rear brake usage??? I moved the rear brake up to the front where is belongs... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 18:34:08 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:32:32 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: horkster@XXXXXX, mriderleon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: important off topic petition = rear brakes? Hmm... reckon I should take a peek at mine. Got about 18K on the pucks and I'm stopping a heavy sled. Bill Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone want to discuss rear brake usage??? > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 18:38:33 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:37:17 -0500 From: james myer X-Accept-Language: en To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: motorcycle hunting www.dcsportbike.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 18:48:33 2000 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:47:02 EST Subject: Re: important off topic petition = rear brakes? To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: horkster@XXXXXX, mriderleon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/4/00 6:34:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << Hmm... reckon I should take a peek at mine. Got about 18K on the pucks and I'm stopping a heavy sled. >> Please don't get "political" on me. This isn't the place for it. :-) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 19:21:51 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1972 19:24:50 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX cc: DGlassJr@XXXXXX, James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: important off topic petition It's cold tonight, and the flames on this thread seem to be dying down---perhaps some gasoline will help keep us warm 8-) " Does it sound outrageous to you that military spending for fiscal year 2000 will be almost $290 billion and all other domestic discretionary spending, such as education, job training, housing, Amtrak, medical research, environment, Head Start and many other worthwhile programs will total $246 billion, the biggest disparity in modern times ? " Dale Bumpers, former US Senator and present Director of the Center for Defense Information BTW, that's about $1,000 military spending for every US man/woman/child... --garcia On Sat, 5 Feb 2000 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:34:21 EST, you wrote: > > |>In a message dated 2/4/00 4:25:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, > |>James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX writes: > |> > |>Kindly keep your politics to yourself. If the NEA would not promote > |>pornography and tastelessness then maybe...just maybe they would have a place > |>in my heart. As of now I think they deserve what they are getting...which I > |>hope is nothing. By the way if every taxpayer would just send me 1 penny, I > |>could pay cash for that new Duc that I want. > > I would like to second that.. why should art be subsidized? When you > get homeless people housed, Jobless people employed, criminals into > lawful citizens, and children educated..... then maybe.. we should > consider spending money on art and radio prograns and concerts.. until > then, tax money should be spent on more important priorities. I feel > the NEA shouldn't exist. > > Daniel > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 20:23:28 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:22:47 EST Subject: Re: Ducs at Winchester Indian To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/4/00 1:49:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: << I met Triumph's Regional Director at the Cleveland show last week and he told me that Winchester Indian is (will be?) carrying Triumph. Sounds like Battley's is getting out of it, or greatly reducing their involvement. >> Winchester Indian has Triumph, Ducati, Moto Guzzi, and Victory motorcycles as well as Polaris ATVs. They also had several used bikes that were in great shape. Rob From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 22:16:02 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:15:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: re: more nontopic stuff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX It's disgusting, isn't it Garcia.... It would be one thing if some of that excessive amount of money was going to the military memebers, but unfortunately, it doesn't. It disgusts me to see the gross amounts of waste in the military because of the spending laws... I've seen the Navy literally dump hundreds of thousands of dollars in brand new stuff over the side of the boat!! In the CG, we get in the bind of having to save big chunks of money for pollution cases, resue operations, etc. etc. and skimp by on stuff we really need, and at the end of the fiscal year, we end up spending as much as we can as fast as we can... cause it's spend it or lose it. And unfortunately, if you lose it this year, OMB sees that as not needing the money at all so your budget shrinks the next year... then that ugly pollution case rears its head, and there is no money for the proper response :( very sad all around.... and usually in the last minute spending spree, we rarely get the stuff we really NEED because of long lead times, so a lot of the money gets spent on piddly stuff that isn't overly needed at the time... I could go on and on...My biggest bitch though is seeing the millions in wasted money, yet I had employees working for me that were eligible for food stamps and some welfare cases out there making more gross income than they did... pathetic...Hence we lose all our best people not too long after spending millions training them...For the officer corps its even worse in the middle ranks... we get paid decent (I make somewhere around $45-$50k) but when you compare the responsibilities and opportunities to a comparable outside job, my peers make considerably more and have better opportunities for advancement.... Ok.. I'll stop now... hehehe As for religion, I worship asphalt, gas and rubber in the house of internal combustion!!! hehehhehehehe I'm joking people.. relax!! :) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 22:45:10 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:43:33 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more nontopic stuff Yes, it is disgusting. But I'll put my opinion. I deal with Coasties at almsot every outboard boat race. Except for one who must have had boil on his butt that day, I've had nothing but good experiances with Coasties for almost two decades. The ones I deal with are usually young RIB pilots, but very professional. I ask about the equipment on thier boat and they proudly yammer on as they show me thier toys. Every yrear at out pig pickin' race I invite them to join us. They never do, probably because that might construed as a *perk* I suspect. I wish they would. I wish thier was a way we, the boat racers, could express our appreciation. Coasties are cool. Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > It's disgusting, isn't it Garcia.... It would be one thing if some of > that excessive amount of money was going to the military memebers, but > unfortunately, it doesn't. > It disgusts me to see the gross amounts of waste in the military > because of the spending laws... I've seen the Navy literally dump > hundreds of thousands of dollars in brand new stuff over the side of > the boat!! > In the CG, we get in the bind of having to save big chunks of money for > pollution cases, resue operations, etc. etc. and skimp by on stuff we > really need, and at the end of the fiscal year, we end up spending as > much as we can as fast as we can... cause it's spend it or lose it. > And unfortunately, if you lose it this year, OMB sees that as not > needing the money at all so your budget shrinks the next year... then > that ugly pollution case rears its head, and there is no money for the > proper response :( very sad all around.... and usually in the last > minute spending spree, we rarely get the stuff we really NEED because > of long lead times, so a lot of the money gets spent on piddly stuff > that isn't overly needed at the time... > I could go on and on...My biggest bitch though is seeing the millions > in wasted money, yet I had employees working for me that were eligible > for food stamps and some welfare cases out there making more gross > income than they did... pathetic...Hence we lose all our best people > not too long after spending millions training them...For the officer > corps its even worse in the middle ranks... we get paid decent (I make > somewhere around $45-$50k) but when you compare the responsibilities > and opportunities to a comparable outside job, my peers make > considerably more and have better opportunities for advancement.... > Ok.. I'll stop now... hehehe > > As for religion, I worship asphalt, gas and rubber in the house of > internal combustion!!! hehehhehehehe I'm joking people.. relax!! :) > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 5 02:26:14 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Flames.... Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 00:25:29 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Yikes - some of you need to go have some sex and chill out (if a partner isn't handy, try the other hand *grin*) Ahh.. the pleasure of having spring like days all winter long. I'm still riding with my partially vented jacket.. :) And running off to the Streets of Willow this weekend to race the YSR.. :) wheee - talk about grin per inch factor! Hey, don't know if anyone's really aware of this (it's interesting to me) - but you can buy a custom HD clone for about $1500~2000 brand new - it's a 'Some assembly required' project and not painted... but a BRAND NEW BIKE for $2000??? You can bet as soon as I have a garage again, I'll be ordering one. (I saw them in the 2000 Custom Chrome catalouge) Cheers, Brian McCoy - Phoenix lister - MMI Student From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 5 09:09:54 2000 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 09:07:54 -0500 From: Tim Morrow Organization: Flamin' Duc Racing X-Accept-Language: en To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: '91 Kawasaki EX500 LW Racer Folks: Please pardon the spam. This is my 1999 racebike, which I was going to keep as a backup to my new racebike this season, but the cost of racing now demands that it be sold. In Northern Virginia: 1991 Kawasaki EX500 Racebike Black/yellow/silver, smoke windscreen Clean title (not salvage), 21,000 street miles 52 dyno hp. ZX-9 5/8" brake master cylinder Russell braided steel front brake line EBC HH pads Super Brace fork brace Progressive Suspension fork springs Motul 15w fork oil Daytona steering damper (mounted inboard) Woodcraft CFMotorsports clip-ons Woodcraft CFMotorsports rear-sets K&N air filter in stock air box Muzzy 2-1 stainless steel exhaust Dunlop K-591S tires New battery Rear shock linkage rebuilt; all new OEM bushings & sleeves Engine case guards 16-tooth front sprocket 45-tooth rear sprocket Regina o-ring chain, riveted Number plates $1,700 delivered in the mid-Atlantic area. Tim Morrow -- Tim Morrow, CCS Expert #19 Flamin' Duc Racing: http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com 1992 Ducati 750SS; 1996 Kawasaki Ninja 500 2000 Sponsors: Mikmar Motor Service, Paxinos, PA Fast Lane Cycles, Chantilly, VA From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 5 10:06:45 2000 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 10:00:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Fw: PC800... To: Doug Allis Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL How about this ... would someone please chop all the pc800 posts off dc-cycles. Doug, it's great if you own a PC800 ( since I kinda like 'em), but please don't cross post all messages ... they are not all relevant to both lists. Thanks, --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX cc: From: Doug Allis Date: 02/04/2000 10:40:58 PM GMT Subject: Re: Fw: PC800... WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE CHOP THE ALL THE ICE OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY !!!!!!?? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 5 12:15:12 2000 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:15:04 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Doug Allis , CC: , Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Fw: PC800... Well, personally I like to hear about at least one other snow commuter here in the Washington DC area ... on a PC800. Like Doug, I have missed only TWO days of commuting due to the snow, ice, etc. Gotta love those bikes. :-) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 10:00:31 -0500 > > >How about this ... would someone please chop all the pc800 posts off dc-cycles. > >Doug, it's great if you own a PC800 ( since I kinda like 'em), but please don't >cross post all messages ... they are not all relevant to both lists. > >Thanks, >--chris > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX >cc: >From: Doug Allis >Date: 02/04/2000 10:40:58 PM GMT >Subject: Re: Fw: PC800... > > > > WOULD SOMEONE >PLEASE CHOP THE ALL THE ICE OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY !!!!!!?? > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which >it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any >review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action >in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the >intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@XXXXXX. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@XXXXXX. > From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 5 12:24:57 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 20:24:48 GMT On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:47:52 -0500, you wrote: |>Todd: |> |>Sorry, but dissing someone's faith is a lot more important than dissing |>their riding style or cycle-brand. So I believe it has no place here. |> |>Mark Quite the contrary!! Call me an aethist, devil worshipper, or poly-diest, but dammit don't insult my riding style!!!! =20 And don't insult my reliable kawasaki if you're not riding a honda!!!! especially not if you ride a hardly!!!!!! 100% joking of course : ) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 5 23:52:16 2000 Date: 6 Feb 2000 04:51:01 -0000 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 06:39:39 -0500 "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: >Believe it. Sales here in the states have been sluggish to put it mildly. >Their audio quality isn't on par with CD because of all the compression >that's required to fit on such a small disc, etc. Not a factor to me. Tinitis. CD,MD,casette,all sounds the same. Wear your ear plugs folks. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 5 23:54:11 2000 Date: 6 Feb 2000 04:52:57 -0000 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:02:20 +0000 Jeannette Zell wrote: >Oh, and another band to consider for tearing up the streets is >Ministry...can't remember the name of the CD, but even when I was in the >car I'd drive with a bit more "spirit," so to speak. Prolly Psalm 69. "NWO","Just one Fix","Jesus Built My Hotrod". The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 6 00:04:48 2000 Date: 6 Feb 2000 05:03:33 -0000 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:Flames.... On Sat, 5 Feb 2000 00:25:29 -0700 Brian McCoy wrote: >Hey, don't know if anyone's really aware of this (it's interesting to me) - >but you can buy a custom HD clone for about $1500~2000 brand new - it's a >'Some assembly required' project and not painted... but a BRAND NEW BIKE >for $2000??? You can bet as soon as I have a garage again, I'll be ordering >one. (I saw them in the 2000 Custom Chrome catalouge) Sorry,Brian,but the only Harley you'll get for $2k is a basket case. The kit you're referring to is a chassis kit. Frame,swingarm,tanks,fenders. You'll have to drop another $4k+ for a motor,another $2k for a primary/tranny ,plus suspension/wheels/brakes/tires/controls/lights/etc. Do all the work yourself and you'll wind up with at least $10-12k invested. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 6 15:04:06 2000 X-Originating-IP: [209.122.204.95] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Isle O Man Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 12:03:32 PST Has any one ever been to watch the races at Isle of Man? I am going to be there the first 3 days and was wondering if there was any inside info. i.e.= vantage points, places you must see etc. Thanks, Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 6 22:32:57 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05055 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-50.patriot.net [209.249.181.50]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA07312 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:32:52 -0500 Message-ID: <389E3C87.3B3220EF@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:31:19 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ATTN: Mr Gawthrop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe you have managed to keep your ABATE group on track, that is stick to motorcycle issues etc. But as I've said before, not all ABATE groups are of of the same mind. Following ia an email from my local VA chapter of ABATE. Motorcycles? Yeah, right. > Virginia Gunowners! > > Your help is urgently needed! > > Key gun votes are coming up in the General Assembly! > > The House Militia & Police Committee is meeting > Monday, February 7, 2000, 3:00 PM > > If you can not attend this hearing in Richmond please > support those of us who are attending by CALLING > the key members on the committee before they > meet Monday afternoon! > > Tell them to support HB 1479 and HB 1309! > > Tell them you oppose all gun control bills, especially Republican > gun control bills HB 350 and HB 351! *snip list of delegates to contact* > Summaries of key bills: > > Good bills! > > HB 1479 Where person may carry concealed handguns. > Patron-William P. Robinson, Jr. > > Removes the provision of the code that prohibits carrying a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant > or club for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises > consumption has been granted. > > HB 1309 Concealed weapon licenses issued out-of-state. > Patron-Watkins M. Abbitt, Jr. > > Concealed weapon licenses issued out-of-state. Reduces the restrictions on carrying > a concealed weapon as they apply to an out-of-state concealed weapon license. > The bill removes the requirement that a reciprocal agreement be in place in order for > Virginia to recognize such out-of-state concealed weapon licenses as valid. The bill > also requires that the State Police pursue a reciprocal agreement with each other > state that requires such an agreement prior to its recognition of a Virginia concealed > handgun permit as valid, and that the State Police maintain an easily accessible, > updated list of reciprocal states on the Virginia state website. > > Bad Bills! > At least 40 anti-gun bills have been introduced. These are two of the most dangerous > > B 350 Possession of weapon in public building. > Patron-Robert G. Marshall > > Summary as introduced: > Possession of weapon in public building. Makes the possession of a firearm in a public > building a Class 6 felony and possession of other weapons a Class 1 misdemeanor. > In addition, there is a mandatory, minimum term of three years if the > person intends to use, attempts to use or displays the firearm in a threatening manner. > > > HB 351 Possession of weapons in parks. > Patron-Robert G. Marshall > > Summary as introduced: > Possession of weapons in parks. Makes the possession of a firearm in a public park > a Class 6 felony and possession of other weapons a Class 1 misdemeanor. In addition, > there is a mandatory, minimum term of three years if the person intends to use, attempts > to use or displays the firearm in a threatening manner. From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 6 22:49:44 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05297 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (216-164-131-251.s251.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.131.251]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03070 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:49:10 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000206224842.00a51290@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:49:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: How was the NYC show? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Those of us that didn't go want to see PICTURES and hear all the gossip. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 6 23:22:24 2000 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mailrelay1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA05820 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:22:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10790 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2000 04:26:14 -0000 Received: from whitfield.chek.com (208.197.227.143) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2000 04:26:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 19046 invoked by uid 99); 7 Feb 2000 04:18:13 -0000 Date: 7 Feb 2000 04:18:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000207041813.19045.qmail@whitfield.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Check this out. The ultimate in small players: http://www.ita.sel.sony.com/products/vmc/ The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 7 07:30:23 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com (e24.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.230]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13998 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:30:21 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e24.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA37310 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:18:41 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id HAA47518 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:30:18 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525687E.0044AFD0 ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:30:14 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525687E.0044AE8C.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:30:09 -0500 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/05/00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Tim wrote... >Folks: > > Please pardon the spam. Yes, how dare you post stuff related to motorcycles here on dc-religion-audio-politics!? Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfiled Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 7 08:08:13 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14885 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:08:11 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA59724 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:00:42 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id IAA24564 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:08:08 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525687E.00482420 ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:07:58 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525687E.004822BB.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:07:52 -0500 Subject: FW: Grand opening of new moto shop in Richmond Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Got this from one of the Richmond rockers. There's no politics or religion in it, but I thought some of y'all might be interested in it anyway ;) Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfiled Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling, VA ------------------------------------------------------ Original Message ------------------------------------------------------ From: Syke Reply-To: Syke To: BRIT-IRON-L@XXXXXX Subject: Absolutely no Brit content, but an invitation . . . . Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 01:09:36 EST . . . . to the grand opening celebration of Moto Europa's new store. As Richmond, VA's sole Ducati dealership, and general hangout for anyone who rides either vintage or sportbike, we're throwing a party to celebrate finally having enough room to move around, organization in all departments (well, it is promised and I'm working on it) and a general, overall, nice new dealership to show off. WHEN: Friday and Saturday, 25-26 February. WHERE: The shop is located at 1200 Boulevard, downtown Richmond. Easiest way to get there is I-95 (the section where it runs combined with I-64), get off at exit #79 (Boulevard exit), and head south on Boulevard (past the ballpark) for about a mile. We're on the corner of Boulevard and Leigh - three lights and one block south of the interstate. WHAT'S PLANNED: Ben Bostrum, former AMA Superbike champion, and Foggy's second in World Superbike for the 2000 season will be there on Friday (only). Saturday will have the Ducati factory race team truck in attendance. TIME: Shop hours are 1000-1800 on Friday and 1000-1400 on Saturday. Further information, directions, etc., can be gotten by dropping me a note at this address. Syke '69 BSA A50R Royal Star cafe racer (Grinder) '69 Triumph T120R Bonneville cafe racer (Pidge) '72 Triumph T150V Trident (Kennedy) '95 Triumph T309 Trident (Banshee) '95 Triumph T309 Speed III cafe racer (Taxi) '69 Honda Super 90 (Lil One) '76 Yamaha XS500 cafe racer (Poseur) '86 BMW K75T (Kosh) '97 Kawasaki ZX-6R streetfighter (The Zed) Verily, there was the time The Lord appeared to me in the form of a burning bush and sayeth, "Boy, REAL motorcycles have their handgrips BELOW the level of the instruments." --Syke I'm gonna hit the highway like a battering ram on a silver- black phantom bike. When the metal is hot and the engine is hungry, and we're all about to see the light." --Meatloaf ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 7 10:07:51 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17578 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:07:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1HZW1GVT>; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:08:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Bike Show & Ice! :^( Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:08:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Well the Bike Show trip was great. The trip up was enjoyable and seeing the new RC51 in person was a treat. That bike looks even better in person than it does in the magazines. I was a little disappointed to find that most of the vendors weren't offering very enticing deals on their gear. I thought there would be deeper discounts. Special thanks go to Anita Lauro for setting up the trip. This is a largely thankless job entailing a big pain-in-the-ass factor, so I hope everyone went will also express their appreciation. On a related note, I went out to take the SuperDuperHawk for a ride yesterday only to find her wheels encased in six inches of ice. :^( After coming back from the motorcycle show, I was all fired up to go riding. I spent two hours trying to chip the bike loose and didn't even manage to free up the bottom of the bike cover. I really hate this season. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 7 16:05:14 2000 Return-Path: vfr800@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f199.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24035 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 16:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30570 invoked by uid 0); 7 Feb 2000 21:04:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000207210416.30569.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.17.238.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:04:16 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.17.238.73] From: "vfr 800" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hello From CA Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:04:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey all. I am in CA. (Actually I've been here since 01/11, I just got connected back to the Internet) I made it all 3,000+ miles pulling the VFR in a 5' x 8' U-Haul behind my 1983 Impala. If anyone is interested, I can supply you or the list with what my Dad(!!) came up with to use to tie down the VFR. BTW, it made it the entire way without incident. CA is nice for MC riding so far. (It's winter and in the Monterey area, that means rain, lots of it) I don't see too many differences yet between riding here and in VA. I have yet to see another MC lane split, and until I do, I am going to refrain from doing that. They do have specifc MC parking where I work. That's it for now. I hope the snow hasn't gotten you all down. John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 7 17:18:15 2000 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25446 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19849 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:24:37 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D12BA@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: NON-MOTO warm and fuzzy (RE: important off topic petition) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:24:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >" Does it sound outrageous to you that military spending for fiscal year >2000 will be almost $290 billion and all other domestic discretionary >spending, such as education, job training, housing, Amtrak, medical >research, environment, Head Start and many other worthwhile programs will >total $246 billion, the biggest disparity in modern times ? " Of course none of this "defense money" ever gets funnelled to non-combat readiness endeavors, like little colleges and pet research projects that one would consider "domestic spending." We can all feel safe that every penny goes to training members of the armed services in the latest tactics while procuring the best equipment. Psssst. Hey buddy, wanna to buy a bridge. Remember, just because a bill funds "defense" spending has no necesary relationship with what the money buys or who gets to spend it. Hey, maybe I can get someone to sponsor the "sensors for FREE moving targets the size of MOTORCYCLES during combat conditions FOR systems using DC-ac power with no more than a CYCLES requirement of amperage." Ya think? Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 11:13:05 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16099 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:13:03 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27840 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:57:37 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id LAA30692 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:12:58 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525687F.005912DF ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:12:55 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525687F.005864AB.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:05:27 -0500 Subject: Open Letter to the Soccer Moms of America Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Good stuff: http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/motorcycles/08cnews/000203a.html Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfiled Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 12:21:56 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f148.hotmail.com [209.185.131.211]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17351 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56186 invoked by uid 0); 8 Feb 2000 17:21:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000208172148.56185.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:21:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Non-moto: Salt is the solution? maybe... Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:21:48 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >The solution is salt, or any number of different de-icers sold at many >hardware and home improvement stores. Yes...but rock salt should be used only as the last resort. In the past we put rock salt on the concrete driveway. The salt melted the ice and then the concrete. Salt can make nice little holes in concrete. But Saturday we were desprate (we share this drive with three other houses) and my neighbors and I put 80 lbs of stinking rock salt on the iced area -- about 20 feet by 15 feet. Then we checked on it often to make sure it wouldn't melt through and damage the concrete. We shouldn't have bothered to check. We left it on there all day. It took about two inches off the top. After we scraped we were left with about 3 inches of solid blue ice. A nice (but tilted) hockey rink resulted. So we gave up and spread 50 lbs of sand. Well now at least my PC gets through. But my stupid Mustang still gets stuck and so does my neighbor's Honda Accord. Problems: the stupid drive is steep; in the shade all day and faces north. I hear its going to hit 50 tomorrow. That ought to solve the problem. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 13:57:28 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19057 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:57:10 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id i.73.ffc851 (3972); Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:56:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <73.ffc851.25d1c0d8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:56:24 EST Subject: Re: Non-moto: Salt is the solution? maybe... To: dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 20 What you want to find in a calcium-chloride based melter.... or.... fertilizer. Neither will damage the concrete and should do the trick. - B From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 14:15:38 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19388 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12IG6M-0003g4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 11:15:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:14:59 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rear brakes good, Fred bad. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I believe this comes from Sport Rider magazine. Brake Dancing ------------------ 1) While it's true that most of a motorcycle's stopping power is generated by the front brake, the rear binder can be used in subtle ways to make your riding smoother and safer. In certain situations, using the rear brake to scrub off speed -- rather than chopping the throttle or applying the front brake -- will have less of an effect on the chassis and keep you on-line in a turn rather than running wide. To use the rear brake properly, it must be adjusted correctly. The pedal should be a few millimeters below your foot when you're in a comfortable riding position; a misadjusted lever can force you to sit awkwardly or make it difficult to actuate the brake carefully. 2) When entering a turn, leave the rear brake applied until after the front brake has been released and the bike is leaned over. This will stop the front-end from rising the moment after the front brake is let off and before cornering forces act to keep the fork compressed. Once the throttle is cracked open, use the rear brake lightly to modulate your speed if you find yourself going a bit too fast. Closing the throttle will load the front-end excessively and cause you to run wide, whereas applying the rear binder will actually tighten your line and pull you to the inside of the corner. Try to avoid using lots of both the gas and brake; you want just enough throttle to pick the revs up and keep the weight off the front tire. 3) During slow speed maneuvering such as U-turns and lane splitting, the gyroscopic effect of your engine's spinning internals keeps your bike balanced. You can use this to your advantage by using the rear brake and slipping the clutch slightly to keep some revs going. Try U-turns using differnt combinations of clutch, rear brake, and throttle to find what works best for you and your bike. In general, just enough throttle and clutch slip is required to keep the chassis stable and moving, with speed modulated by the rear brake. Keep in mind that this technique results in more wear on brake pads and clutch plates, and they should be checked more frequently. 4) In downhill turns the rear brake can be used to avoid gaining too much speed once the throttle is open -- especially in longer sweepers. As in a flat corner, crack the throttle open as soon as possible to unweight the front tire, and carefully utilize the rear brake to keep speed in check. Downhill turns are notorious for loading the front-end and causing you to run wide, but keeping the throttle cracked open and carefully applying the rear brake will result in a more even weight distribution and keep you on line. With some practice and experimentation, using the rear brake techniques will become routine, and will give you more confidence, smoothness, and safety in previously worrisome situations. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 15:00:18 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20176 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id DZ25AFDM; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:00:09 -0500 Message-ID: <00cc01bf726f$201ef7e0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Vanson Armor question Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:00:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 I am thinking about getting armor for my Vanson Sportrider. The foam armor is on a used leathers site for $40. Is this good armor and is this a good deal? Also, should I go with a 'in-jacket' back protector, or a larger, stand-alone model? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 15:11:48 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20296 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id DZ25AFDW; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:11:41 -0500 Message-ID: <00ea01bf7270$bd0b4800$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" , "VFR List" Subject: Vanson PSTV/R Pants questions Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:11:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Does anyone own the Vanson PSTV or PSTR pants. If so, how do they fit? The pair I tried on were really lose in the butt and looked quite baggy. Is this normal? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 15:34:58 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20752 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:34:57 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id i.c4.12dfc26 (4329); Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:34:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:34:12 EST Subject: Re: Vanson Armor question To: mKitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 20 In a message dated 2/8/00 3:09:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, mKitchell@XXXXXX writes: > Also, should I go with a 'in-jacket' back protector, or a larger, > stand-alone model? Depends on how much you like your spine ;) A stand-alone protector will (in most cases) offer more protection. The exception is certain leathers come with a "stand-alone" style protector built inside... here there is (obviously) no difference. It comes down to the 'ol protection vs. preference thing. A full set of race leathers offers more protection than leather (or plain) jeans and a jacket, but you'll find me in the latter on my street bikes. - B From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 18:28:06 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23473 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-30.patriot.net [209.249.181.30]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA23323; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:27:50 -0500 Message-ID: <38A0A60C.4AC3E479@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 18:26:04 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rcrishoc@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Open Letter to the Soccer Moms of America References: <8525687F.005864AB.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good article, Rich, thanks. My pappy use to say "Teaching a kid how to drive at 16 is a waste of time. At 16 they *know* everything - and won't listen to a damn word you say. My training wasn't on a dirt bike but at boat - at age 11. "You can't walk away from a boat wreck, kid," sez me pappy. He was right. I went swimming a few times. My kid did t all - minibike as a wee pup, my leftover Yama 125 enduro well before he ahd to worry about shaving, and then - age 14 he got in an outboard race boat and had a wall full of trophies before driver's ed. He's an excellent car driver. But as the world *progresses* less and less opportunity is available. Less earth for dirt bikes to play, in the name of ... ecology??? Minimum age laws for boat operation in the name of ... safety??? One can still drop junior and junior miss in an outboard race boat at age 9, but that choice has been threatened many times in the past few years. I mourn the loss of these opportunities for the young. I can't imagine my youth without my boat. And when the time came to toss my boy the car keys, I knew he could do it. Bill rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: > Good stuff: > > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/motorcycles/08cnews/000203a.html > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfiled Bullet > http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ > Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 18:41:43 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (fb01.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23645 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-51.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.115]) by fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06561; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:41:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A0D48D.44AD82C9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 18:44:29 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Vanson Armor question References: <00cc01bf726f$201ef7e0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, Just FYI... My AGV Rage (2-piece) jacket back has built-in foam armor, but I supplement this with a Fieldsheer back protector. No fit problems (i.e., not too tight). I figure you can never have too much protection! :^) Cheers, Chuck Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I am thinking about getting armor for my Vanson Sportrider. The foam armor > is on a used leathers site for $40. Is this good armor and is this a good > deal? > > Also, should I go with a 'in-jacket' back protector, or a larger, > stand-alone model? > > Thanks > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 19:39:31 2000 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24658 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:39:30 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.17.185a1a5 (4248); Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:37:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17.185a1a5.25d210bd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:37:17 EST Subject: Re: Rear brakes good, Fred bad. To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Ok, if you can remember all of that use the rear brake to your hearts content. I prefer to listen to Keith Code, he says "rear brake bad". But hell, I'm an old guy. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 21:48:14 2000 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26636 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:48:13 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.3b.d269db (4407) for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:47:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3b.d269db.25d22f48@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:47:36 EST Subject: IT'S HERE!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Greetings Listers, I am now the proud owner of a brand new 2000 YZF-R6. Took a "mental health" day off at work today and went and picked it up. Only put about 30 miles on it but, they were an AWESOME 30 miles. :-D I am in LOVE with this bike. Now if only the weather would warm up a bit. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!! Cold ride home. ;-) Anyway, now I have a question. I was reading through the owners manual, yes I have read the manual for everything I own, and it mentioned that the battery was a "sealed-type" battery and not to use a regular charger on it. I have a Deltran Supersmart Battery Tender and was wondering if it was OK to use on the new battery? Are they talking about chargers for cars? Thoughts? Comments? Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 21:56:12 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26719 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:56:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:56:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200002082156.AA16384494@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Doug Allis" Subject: Re: Non-moto: Salt is the solution? maybe... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Doug Allis" > So we gave up and spread 50 lbs of sand. Well now at least my >PC gets through. But my stupid Mustang still gets stuck and so does my >neighbor's Honda Accord. Problems: the stupid drive is steep; in the shade >all day and faces north. > >I hear its going to hit 50 tomorrow. That ought to solve the problem. I've been slowly chipping away at my ice. Any place you can get down to the pavement will heat much faster and help melt the ice. Then the ice around the holes will chip out easier. Chip, chipping away ... Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 22:14:47 2000 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27213 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-60-84.s84.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.60.84] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12INZv-0001no-00 for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:14:08 -0500 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Rode Today Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:13:21 -0500 Message-ID: <00b301bf72ab$9e57ee00$d65aaccf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I finally got to ride today and it was wonderful. The hard part was getting out of and back into my parking lot/space. That was hell. Maybe tomorrow will have a salutary effect on the rest of the snow/ice. Hallelujah!!! LindaT. Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT name TBD 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 8 22:18:13 2000 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA27300 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11729 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2000 03:18:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000209031808.11728.qmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.111.54] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 19:18:08 PST Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:18:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Non-moto: Salt is the solution? maybe... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I got a sand/salt mixture from the City of Alexandria. I spread it around the ice that has been surrounding my bike since the big snow storm. (the people who plow the lot for my aparment pretty much surrounded it) After a day it drilled down deep enough that I was able to shovel the worse of it off. I spread some more salt/sand on what was left, since I slid around a little when taking it this afternoon for the first ride in over two weeks. (ahhhhhhhh.... I needed that) Unfortunately I still can't ride the bike to work. The County of Arlington did a pretty lousy plowing job around my office, and all the cars are parking on snow-packed ice. There isn't a spot yet that looks safe for the bike. Hopefully after the next few days enough will melt away so I'll be able to ride it in again. Louis --- Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Doug Allis" > > So we gave up and spread 50 lbs of sand. Well now at least my > >PC gets through. But my stupid Mustang still gets stuck and so does my > >neighbor's Honda Accord. Problems: the stupid drive is steep; in the shade > >all day and faces north. > > > >I hear its going to hit 50 tomorrow. That ought to solve the problem. > > > I've been slowly chipping away at my ice. Any place you can get down to the > pavement will heat much faster and help melt the ice. Then the ice around > the holes will chip out easier. > > Chip, chipping away ... > Chris Norloff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 05:49:59 2000 Return-Path: f4rider@XXXXXX Received: from 204.91.230.164 (mail.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.164]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA06370 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from icspgcc ([10.3.0.106]) by 204.91.230.164; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 05:49:13 -0500 From: "Brad Faas" To: Cc: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:49:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well, since I was at one time in the "Fred Bad" category, I might as well pipe up. I have to agree with Fred; if you've got all that stuff down, go for it. But making a habit of using the rear can get you in trouble when panic time comes. You hit the rear of out reflex, and run a much higher chance of locking up by stomping on it. After scaring myself silly one-too-many times (for no good reason), I've come to agree with Fred. I still use the rear occasionally for slow stuff/parking lot maneuvers, but using only the front at speed has certainly put a lot less strain on my sphincter. :) Only other time I can think to use that nasty rear at speed is during departures from the race track. It came in quite handy in South Carolina this past November. :) But hell, I'm just a young guy. Brad 99 CBR600 F4 88 FZR400 <<< Ok, if you can remember all of that use the rear brake to your hearts content. I prefer to listen to Keith Code, he says "rear brake bad". But hell, I'm an old guy. Ciao, fred >>> From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 07:22:36 2000 Return-Path: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07758 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:22:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000209120810.8647.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.227.153] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 04:08:10 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 04:08:10 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: IT'S HERE!! To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep, they are talking about big old car chargers rated for more then 1 amp. Your battery tender will do just fine. Glenn --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Greetings Listers, > > I am now the proud owner of a brand new 2000 YZF-R6. > Took a "mental health" > day off at work today and went and picked it up. > Only put about 30 miles on > it but, they were an AWESOME 30 miles. :-D I am in > LOVE with this bike. > Now if only the weather would warm up a bit. > Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!! Cold > ride home. ;-) Anyway, now I have a question. I > was reading through the > owners manual, yes I have read the manual for > everything I own, and it > mentioned that the battery was a > "sealed-type" battery and not to use a regular > charger on it. I have a > Deltran Supersmart Battery Tender and was wondering > if it was OK to use on > the new battery? Are they talking about chargers > for cars? Thoughts? > Comments? > > Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 08:13:36 2000 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08480 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA26691 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:13:26 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:04:19 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF72D4.4434AFC0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: IT'S HERE!! Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:04:18 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congrats on the new ride. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [SMTP:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 9:48 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: IT'S HERE!! Greetings Listers, I am now the proud owner of a brand new 2000 YZF-R6. Took a "mental health" day off at work today and went and picked it up. Only put about 30 miles on it but, they were an AWESOME 30 miles. :-D I am in LOVE with this bike. Now if only the weather would warm up a bit. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!! Cold ride home. ;-) Anyway, now I have a question. I was reading through the owners manual, yes I have read the manual for everything I own, and it mentioned that the battery was a "sealed-type" battery and not to use a regular charger on it. I have a Deltran Supersmart Battery Tender and was wondering if it was OK to use on the new battery? Are they talking about chargers for cars? Thoughts? Comments? Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 09:40:44 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09866 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1HZW1J26>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:41:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:41:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I find it very useful to know to apply the rear brake when I need to tighten up my corner line. It didn't take any effort to learn and I don't find myself using the rear brake when I shouldn't. One of the most common mistakes beginners make is going into a turn too hot, applying the front brake, standing the bike up (inevitable when using the front brake) and running off of the road or out of their lane. If they could be taught to use the rear in those situations, I think we'd see a lot fewer newbie accidents. That and the U-turn are the best uses for the rear brake, IMO, and they don't create bad habits (for me). YMMV, as always. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Faas [SMTP:f4rider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:49 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: boiade@XXXXXX > Subject: > > Well, since I was at one time in the "Fred Bad" category, I might as well > pipe up. I have to agree with Fred; if you've got all that stuff down, go > for it. But making a habit of using the rear can get you in trouble when > panic time comes. You hit the rear of out reflex, and run a much higher > chance of locking up by stomping on it. After scaring myself silly > one-too-many times (for no good reason), I've come to agree with Fred. I > still use the rear occasionally for slow stuff/parking lot maneuvers, but > using only the front at speed has certainly put a lot less strain on my > sphincter. :) > > Only other time I can think to use that nasty rear at speed is during > departures from the race track. It came in quite handy in South Carolina > this past November. :) > > But hell, I'm just a young guy. > > Brad > 99 CBR600 F4 > 88 FZR400 > > <<< > Ok, if you can remember all of that use the rear brake to your hearts > content. I prefer to listen to Keith Code, he says "rear brake bad". But > hell, I'm an old guy. > > Ciao, > > fred > >>> From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 11:15:30 2000 Return-Path: redbelly@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11521 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.49.200]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA3162817 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:15:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A1923C.A2FF6328@boo.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:13:48 -0500 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Tire manufacture date Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do you "read" the side of a tire to see when it was made. I know Colleen told us once but don't have the info anymore. Thanks, Jay Goddard From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 11:25:44 2000 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11650 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:25:42 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.7f.742888 (4320) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:25:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7f.742888.25d2eedd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:25:01 EST Subject: Re: Tire manufacture date To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 I'll tell you again! Look at the last three digits of the DOT number. They will usually be in a little raised oval, but not always. The first two numbers tell you the week, the last one tells you the year. For example, 276 means the tire was made during the 27th week of 1996. It could also mean the 27th week of 1986, but I hope none of you have tires that petrified. A tire made this week would have the number 060. Colleen >How do you "read" the side of a tire to see when it was made. I know >Colleen told us once but don't have the info anymore. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 11:58:49 2000 Return-Path: l_park@XXXXXX Received: from web110.yahoomail.com (web110.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.80]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12248 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29097 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2000 16:29:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000209162908.29096.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.203.217.57] by web110.yahoomail.com; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 08:29:08 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: Le Park Subject: Parking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I work at 19th and L (the same building as the passport office) and now that the it will be March soon I'm thinking about riding in. Anyone know a good place to park a motorcycle? Before I was working in Georgetown and there was a nice spot right under the WhiteHurst Freeway. Anything like that near Dupont Circle? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 12:21:57 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12704 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1TVYK1RG; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:21:59 -0500 Message-ID: <00f301bf7322$3443bcc0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Le Park" , Subject: Re: Parking Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:22:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 I used to work on 19th and K. There is a ton of metered moto spaces on (I think), 20th and I Streets. Its near some Indian Restaurants. MArk -----Original Message----- From: Le Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: Parking > I work at 19th and L (the same building as the >passport office) and now that the it will be March >soon I'm thinking about riding in. Anyone know a good >place to park a motorcycle? Before I was working in >Georgetown and there was a nice spot right under the >WhiteHurst Freeway. Anything like that near Dupont >Circle? Thanks. > >===== > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 12:35:25 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13035 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:35:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20775 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04028 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA3817378 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:35:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A1A54C.61E0EDB2@radix.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:35:08 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: F/S: FAST ZX 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is with a heavy heart that I even consider this For sale 1990 ZX 11 ; 150 rear wheel horsepower, 89 foot pounds of torque, 40 mpg. Very Good condition, Tank Bra, PM Cobra wheels, stainless brake lines, Race Tech cartridge fork emulators, race tech remote res. rear shock. Very good looking, very good sounding, fun, & EXTREMELY FAST. All work performed by Fast Lane Cycles, all maintenance up to date ; I have all paperwork since I've owned it. Ridden (commuted) to work regularly, sees mostly non-rain duty. Email me off list or call if interested. Motor - 41mm flatside carbs, (40mm stockers available), 5mm stroked & balanced crank from Falicon, 2mm overbore (Wiseco) - 1200cc's, Falicon 'Knife' con rods, Westech C model Airbox enhancer kit, Mr. Turbo '#3rod bypass oil kit', stock oil pump shimmed for higher pressure, Full Micron Exhaust (4-2-1) stock cams, degreed 105 degrees int/exh, milled & port matched cylinder head, recent valve job, w/ all kawasaki parts, V&H Powerpak, Dyna ignition coils, 5 degree ignition advancer (also have an adjustable), Trans Undercut by Orient Express, D207 street tires. Thanks ! -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ MVS Systems Programmer w(301) 496 - 3760 or 7086 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 15:48:21 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16799 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27850 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2000 19:54:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000209195407.27849.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:54:07 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:54:07 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Parking To: Le Park , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know anyplace close to where you are, what I did was walk around to the parking garages and ask. I asked about monthly rates for a motorcycle. I kept asking until I found one (Colonial, 11th and L) that said bikes park free. He showed me a place that cars can't get to, I park there. Leon. --- Le Park wrote: > I work at 19th and L (the same building as the > passport office) and now that the it will be March > soon I'm thinking about riding in. Anyone know a > good > place to park a motorcycle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 16:31:19 2000 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web508.mail.yahoo.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17635 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7803 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2000 21:31:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000209213115.7802.qmail@web508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [136.242.149.63] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 13:31:15 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:31:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Parking To: Le Park , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii M St. and Conn. Ave. (on M just east of Conn.) metered parking is pretty close to what you need. --- Leon Begeman wrote: > I don't know anyplace close to where you are > > --- Le Park wrote: > > I work at 19th and L (the same building as the > > passport office) and now that the it will be March > > soon I'm thinking about riding in. Anyone know a > > good > > place to park a motorcycle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 18:00:26 2000 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19332 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:00:25 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 8.34.13e0896 (4593); Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:59:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34.13e0896.25d34b54@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:59:32 EST Subject: Re: To: f4rider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Since we started riding with Brad we (a little more experienced riders here in Md.) thought he was going to do just fine in time. He has. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 18:05:12 2000 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19457 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:05:10 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.a7.18e4e1b (4593); Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:04:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:04:27 EST Subject: Re: To: CWeaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 << If they could be taught to use the rear in those situations, I think we'd see a lot fewer newbie accidents. >> Hmm, statistics say otherwise. In fact your scenario is the one described in the 'Hurt Report" as the leading cause of motorcycle single vehicle accidents. Find the report, it's on the web. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 19:29:53 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20886 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:29:52 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.6.1ee011f (3978) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:29:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6.1ee011f.25d36051@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:29:05 EST Subject: Re: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 The rear brake is great for low speed maneuvers and straight line braking (when expertly applied). Every race school I've attended has said one thing regarding the rear brake: It's handy if you go off the asphalt. Under heavy deceleration, weight is transferred forward (the same way under heavy acceleration it goes back). If you hit your rear brake a little too hard, it's going to lock because the friction between the rotor and the brake pad is greater than the friction between the tire and the road surface. First street bike, first (only) accident for me? You guessed it -> locked up the rear and fell down in a panic situation. Some racers (Collin, you lurking?) will *tap* the rear brake entering a turn to break the rear loose and slide it just a little, using weight and acceleration to regain traction at the rear wheel once in the turn. Usually these folks cut their teeth on dirt bikes and are used to controlling a bike in this manor. For myself... I like both wheels planted firmly, thanks :) I've had the rear slide under acceleration exiting a turn, and even that's a little spooky. The best way to not run wide in a turn is more lean, more throttle. If you're already at full lean, you've made a very serious error and the local agriculture (or armco) is probably going to be prominent in your life's near future :) Any deceleration (even lightly using the rear) transfers weight forward and *decreases* your turning ability (You have a limited amount of contact patch, and using some of it for deceleration takes away from the amount available for cornering). As Fred mentioned - Keith Code shares this wisdom at his school. He tells you that basically there are two choices: More lean, more throttle ... or stand the bike up and get on the brakes in a straight line -> you'll have a better chance of controlling the bike as it goes off the pavement that way. If you can't make the turn with more lean and throttle, there's no possible way you can make it on the brakes. (This isn't to say you won't make a turn on the brakes ... it just means you could have made it anyway and it would have been safer not to touch the pedal or lever.) As always, my $.02 - Brian In a message dated 2/9/00 6:09:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Boiade@XXXXXX writes: > << If they could be taught to use > the rear in those situations, I think we'd see a lot fewer newbie accidents. > > >> > Hmm, statistics say otherwise. In fact your scenario is the one described > in > the 'Hurt Report" as the leading cause of motorcycle single vehicle > accidents. Find the report, it's on the web. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 19:44:41 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA21160 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts005d03.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.207] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:44:14 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: brake stuff.. Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:44:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf735f$f5784310$cfec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 well.. yikes, here we go again on this crazy ride. first off, everyone has their opinions, and most opinions have valid points - lets not flame this to death.... Rear brakes do have a valid and usefull purpose (um.. AZ and CA only require 1 functioning brake on a motorcycle - I suspect that's the same in most states). Now, bikes are mfg. for the entire world, but eliminating the rear WOULD save them money - and that's what they're after anyway.. so it's there for a reason. Use of the rear exclusivly will likely get you in trouble as it doesn't stop the motorcycle anywhere near as well as the fronts (on sportbikes - cruisers are a different story with the weight bais). But in panic situations, if you're experienced with the rear, you CAN slow down the bike faster (I think Cycle World did a compairison of this about 2 years ago). The rear took the longest to slow the bike, front was signifcantally better, and use of both was the best. Now, you can't just mash the rear - it doesn't work that way.. but if you're trying to stop in a hurry, if you use more rear than front (like 90% rear, 10% front) then gradually let those percentages swap places - that's the most effective braking. Granted, I don't have enough attention myself to do that on the street in panic situations. But I do use it for U-turns, light trail braking into corners (reduces harshness on and off the throttle by keeping the chain tight), and slow-speed stuff. On the track, I use it mid-late corner to aid in rear-wheel steering, but that's limited in place of usefullness (kinda like rolling stoppies on the street). My rear on the VFR is adjusted in such a way that even if I mash it with full force, I can't lock up the rear. That's for my personal saftey incase of a dumb panic move - just piece of mind. But, by and far - training is the best way to deal with the rear brake - it's not a dangerous thing if you know what to do with it, and how to use it - if you don't, well.. trouble will surely be knocking down your door.... Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 21:58:41 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23556 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23883 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29946 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from gforeman (surf15-229.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.229]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id VAA08549 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:58:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point 2000 schedule now posted! Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:57:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal http://www.bsr-inc.com/bsr/summit/SCHEDSP.HTM Mark those dates! Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com WEB: http://www.tl1000.com '99-TL1000R | '85-FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 22:15:08 2000 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23874 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:15:06 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.27.195ad26 (3928); Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:14:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <27.195ad26.25d386fc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:14:04 EST Subject: Re: IT'S HERE!! To: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 In a message dated 2/9/2000 7:22:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: << Yep, they are talking about big old car chargers rated for more then 1 amp. Your battery tender will do just fine. Glenn >> Thanks. That's what I was hoping. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 9 22:22:20 2000 Return-Path: f4rider@XXXXXX Received: from 204.91.230.164 (mail.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.164]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA23974 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from icspgcc ([10.3.4.121]) by 204.91.230.164; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 22:21:48 -0500 From: "Brad Faas" To: Subject: Re: (no subject) Rear brake Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:21:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Oh, whoops, forgot we had some MSF instructors on the list. :-) Well, here's my last take on it before I return to Eternal Lurk Mode (until racing season): At Reg Pridmore's CLASS, I was told by 5 separate instructors that I could go park early during the braking exercise. All 5 commented that I had excellent control over both brakes, and I never locked up the rear. But this was at what 20, 30 mph tops? This is nothing compared to a panic maneuver at 75+ mph (yes, I speed too!!!!!!) or even faster on the track. Like I said, if you've managed to get a grasp on using the rear brake perfectly, and can use it to stop the bike more effectively, I say keep right on doing it. I can't, and probably won't be able to anytime soon. If anything, I'm with Brian McCoy -- adjust your rear brake lever so that it's damn near impossible to lock up. Only problem then is that you can get used to mashing a rear....be careful if ride someone else's. :) Ok, I've got a question: what type of oil should I run in my F4? Brad 99 CBR600 F4 88 FZR400 Note to humor impaired: The above email may contain light traces of sarcasm and/or satire. If the urge to flame me persists, please seek medical attention immediately. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 07:01:53 2000 Return-Path: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA03699 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:01:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000210120155.23402.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.227.153] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:01:55 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:01:55 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (no subject) Rear brake To: Brad Faas , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You know a question like this is going to get a million answers, all of them different, right? Anyhow, I run Mobil 1 15W-50 in both my Magna and my VFR and they work great. I say don't waste the money on MC specific oils. Glenn --- Brad Faas wrote: > > Ok, I've got a question: what type of oil should I > run in my F4? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 07:13:04 2000 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03873 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:13:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellu9wly) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12IsSP-0001Cg-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:12:25 -0500 Message-ID: <013001bf73bf$9b8fbee0$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Irony at it's finest (worst) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:08:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 So, I'm riding to work today... I get out of my neighborhood, travel the 3 miles down the highway, turn off the highway and onto the street that my building is on, pull into the parking lot, AND DROP THE FUCKING BIKE GOING 2 MPH!!!!!!!!! ON ICE THAT WASN"T THERE YESTERDAY!!! ICE THAT WAS IN *MY* PARKING SPOT!!! So, in an effort to remain calm, I pick myself up off the ground, pick up the bike (thankfully nothing serious was broken on me or the bike). The Shift lever end (the little rubber thingy) broke of, and I scratched the left side fairing, a teeny bit on the rear fairing, and partially broke the left side turn signal. The 'stich is hardly scratched at all. Here's the best (worst) part. I JUST FUCKING BOUGHT FRAME SLIDERS TWO DAYS AGO. Why? To protect my bike. I'm going to go out into the lot in a little while when the sun comes up and try and figure out why the ice is there. Why is it only when I'm being a responsible rider does shit like this happen to me? I should just wheelie all over the place. Nothing bad ever happens when I'm driving like an asshole. Kirt 99 F4 (wounded) "and I was gonna go riding today..." From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 07:15:24 2000 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03950 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:15:24 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 8.c5.1a26775 (4256); Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:14:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:14:45 EST Subject: Re: (no subject) Rear brake To: dysart@XXXXXX, f4rider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Brad, I use Mobil 1 in my ZX-9R, works fine. It did cause some clutch slippage when I used it in my 86 VFR-750 and went back to regular oil and the slippage went away. I don't use synthetic in the Norton, it would ooze out faster than the regular oil and it would get expensive. Racebike uses Yamalube 2-stroke oil, don't recommend it for you F4. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 07:20:05 2000 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04031 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellu9wly) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12IsZI-0001xZ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:19:32 -0500 Message-ID: <013701bf73c0$99ce9170$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: Irony at it's finest (worst) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:16:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Frame sliders which I haven't installed yet.....just to clarify... Kirt -----Original Message----- From: Kirt S. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 7:17 AM Subject: Irony at it's finest (worst) >So, I'm riding to work today... I get out of my neighborhood, travel the 3 >miles down the highway, turn off the highway and onto the street that my >building is on, pull into the parking lot, AND DROP THE FUCKING BIKE GOING 2 >MPH!!!!!!!!! ON ICE THAT WASN"T THERE YESTERDAY!!! ICE THAT WAS IN *MY* >PARKING SPOT!!! So, in an effort to remain calm, I pick myself up off the >ground, pick up the bike (thankfully nothing serious was broken on me or the >bike). The Shift lever end (the little rubber thingy) broke of, and I >scratched the left side fairing, a teeny bit on the rear fairing, and >partially broke the left side turn signal. The 'stich is hardly scratched >at all. Here's the best (worst) part. I JUST FUCKING BOUGHT FRAME SLIDERS >TWO DAYS AGO. Why? To protect my bike. I'm going to go out into the lot >in a little while when the sun comes up and try and figure out why the ice >is there. Why is it only when I'm being a responsible rider does shit like >this happen to me? I should just wheelie all over the place. Nothing bad >ever happens when I'm driving like an asshole. > >Kirt >99 F4 (wounded) >"and I was gonna go riding today..." > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 07:36:15 2000 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04294 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [152.119.40.21] by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:37:26 -0500 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1JG1N6C9>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:36:15 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'Kirt S.'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Irony at it's finest (worst) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:36:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Kirt - Sorry to hear about the drop, but be glad it was at 2 mph not something faster. The ice is there because the sun melts the snow and it runs onto the pavement then the temperature drops overnight and freezes the water. I face this problem every day in the parking lot at my townhouse. I can't wait for all the snow to melt and for the ice to go away so I can get back to riding to work. BTW - does anyone ride to DC on Beech Drive through Rock Creek Park? If so, how are the roads any icy spots? Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt S. [SMTP:ksenser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 7:09 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Irony at it's finest (worst) > > I'm going to go out into the lot in a little while when the sun comes up > and try and figure out why the ice > is there. > > Kirt > 99 F4 (wounded) > "and I was gonna go riding today..." From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 07:38:08 2000 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04304 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-84.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FPP00DDWSE8F0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:37:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:38:02 -0500 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: Irony at it's finest (worst) To: "Kirt S." Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <38A2B128.C9142D49@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf References: <013001bf73bf$9b8fbee0$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> That sucks, Kirt. Having grown up in this area, I have to say that this latest snowstorm has got to be the most sustained pain in the ass of all I have witnessed. The snow combined with the low temps has meant that pavement has not been truly ice free for weeks; every day a new batch of slicks just melt and refreeze into place. Usually, the snow is gone in 3 days or so... My condolences on your crash. Oh, and (your understandable frustrations aside) I don't recommend wheelies at this time. :) Randy "Kirt S." wrote: So, I'm riding to work today... I get out of my neighborhood, travel the 3 miles down the highway, turn off the highway and onto the street that my building is on, pull into the parking lot, AND DROP THE FUCKING BIKE GOING 2 MPH!!!!!!!!! ON ICE THAT WASN"T THERE YESTERDAY!!! ICE THAT WAS IN *MY* PARKING SPOT!!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 07:39:44 2000 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04322 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA4190150 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:39:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A2B18C.39C41662@radix.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:39:40 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Irony at it's finest (worst) References: <013001bf73bf$9b8fbee0$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirt, Glad you're ok. Glad you're bike is (relatively) ok. Look at it this way - You had sufficient 'karma' built up to prevent the get off on the slippery exit ramp, unplowed street etc... Just not enough to prevent the minor get off. Consider yourself lucky, brush yourself off, & set about 'repaying your karmic debt'. I'm not sure what that means, but maybe give a friendly wave to a minivan pilot or something... Hope you & your F4 get well soon. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ MVS Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 07:47:35 2000 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04482 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellu9wly) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12Iszt-0004xJ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:47:01 -0500 Message-ID: <017401bf73c4$711fd8c0$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." Cc: Subject: Re: Irony at it's finest (worst) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:43:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 So much for the Cell phone and tattoos I was going to buy with my bonus check... I'll be sinking it back into the bike... Kirt -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Irony at it's finest (worst) >Kirt, > Glad you're ok. Glad you're bike is (relatively) ok. Look at it this way - >You had sufficient 'karma' built up to prevent the get off on the slippery exit >ramp, unplowed street etc... Just not enough to prevent the minor get off. >Consider yourself lucky, brush yourself off, & set about 'repaying your karmic >debt'. >I'm not sure what that means, but maybe give a friendly wave to a minivan pilot >or something... > >Hope you & your F4 get well soon. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 07:55:40 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04573 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA04438 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:55:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003a01bf73c5$e9f71960$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <20000210120155.23402.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: re: oil in F4 was: Rear brake Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:54:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I use Mobil 1 15w50 Trisynth in my VFR and Mobil 1 15w50 synthetic in my SV. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Dysart To: Brad Faas ; Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 7:01 AM Subject: Re: (no subject) Rear brake > You know a question like this is going to get a > million answers, all of them different, right? > Anyhow, I run Mobil 1 15W-50 in both my Magna and my > VFR and they work great. I say don't waste the money > on MC specific oils. > > Glenn > > > > --- Brad Faas wrote: > > > > Ok, I've got a question: what type of oil should I > > run in my F4? > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 08:05:31 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04791 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA09218 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:05:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004c01bf73c7$4118e560$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <017401bf73c4$711fd8c0$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Subject: Re: Irony at it's finest (worst) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:03:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sorry to hear about your little incident. At least we have great toys to use, play with and spend that bonus (and most of the other) money on. If you want some help fixing the bike, let me know and we can get together and get it back as good as new. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirt S. Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Irony at it's finest (worst) > So much for the Cell phone and tattoos I was going to buy with my bonus > check... I'll be sinking it back into the bike... > > Kirt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 7:43 AM > Subject: Re: Irony at it's finest (worst) > > > >Kirt, > > Glad you're ok. Glad you're bike is (relatively) ok. Look at it this > way - > >You had sufficient 'karma' built up to prevent the get off on the slippery > exit > >ramp, unplowed street etc... Just not enough to prevent the minor get off. > >Consider yourself lucky, brush yourself off, & set about 'repaying your > karmic > >debt'. > >I'm not sure what that means, but maybe give a friendly wave to a minivan > pilot > >or something... > > > >Hope you & your F4 get well soon. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 08:20:24 2000 Return-Path: desc@XXXXXX Received: from fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (fb02.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05067 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from winnie (user-2ivel2g.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.84.80]) by fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA12782 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:20:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001f01bf73c9$969919e0$5054f7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Coleman Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:20:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hello folks, I need a spring tune-up and Coleman power sports is right up the street. I live in Rosslyn and can driv up Lee Highway to there shop. I know they are expensive, and I am ready to dish out the $$ but do they do a good job on bikes?? I need a tune-up, oil change and regular maintenance. Just curious what others think and if there is someone else closer that does a better job please let me know. On a second note, I have posted here regarding getting my bike painted black. I have a '95 Yamaha YZF and want to go all black with the crome frame and crome decals. Does anyone know any detail shops that do motorcycles in the area?? I want all teh skins painted black according to a picture I found. Thanks for any info I appreciate your help, Ryan From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 09:32:38 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06249 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30270 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:32:03 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000210092841.00c467b0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:31:58 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Coleman In-Reply-To: <001f01bf73c9$969919e0$5054f7a5@winnie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:20 AM 2/10/00 , Ryan Matteson wrote: >Hello folks, I need a spring tune-up and Coleman power sports is right up >the street. I live in Rosslyn and can driv up Lee Highway to there shop. >I know they are expensive, and I am ready to dish out the $$ but do they >do a good job on bikes?? I need a tune-up, oil change and regular >maintenance. Just curious what others think and if there is someone else >closer that does a better job please let me know. Colemans is typically VERY BAD and overpriced when it comes to anything. I remember two summers ago a guy picked up his bike from Colemans and came on a group ride down near the Shenandoah. He had to go home 1/3 of the way because Colemans over tightened his chain adjuster and broke it. His chain had like 2" of slack. Thanks Colemans.... A friend used to work for them and said they hire mechanics for the summer that have no experience...and they routinely screw up everything..... I go to Manassas Honda - but that is a lot closer to me than you.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Magazines only complaint: Too Perfect From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 09:36:04 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06382 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-26.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.90]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24501; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:35:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A2F7AB.3B634607@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:38:51 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Matteson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman References: <001f01bf73c9$969919e0$5054f7a5@winnie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryan, I live in Rosslyn also and you might also want to check Crossroads Cycles. It's a small shop in Bailey's Crossroads. Talk with Denny, the owner (703) 820-3711. I recently had them put new tires on and tune up my '93 GSXR 750. I'm happy with the work done. I don't know how much (if any) less expensive they are than Coleman, but I'm very comfortable that Denny knows his stuff. And while his shop isn't as "nice/clean" as Coleman, Denny is very friendly, inviting, and willing to answer any and all questions. Cheers, Chuck Ryan Matteson wrote: > > Hello folks, I need a spring tune-up and Coleman power sports is right up > the street. I live in Rosslyn and can driv up Lee Highway to there shop. > I know they are expensive, and I am ready to dish out the $$ but do they > do a good job on bikes?? I need a tune-up, oil change and regular > maintenance. Just curious what others think and if there is someone else > closer that does a better job please let me know. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 09:37:10 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06394 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30276; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:36:24 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000210093307.00c48890@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:36:23 -0500 To: "Kirt S." From: Troutman Subject: Re: Irony at it's finest (worst) Cc: In-Reply-To: <013001bf73bf$9b8fbee0$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn .net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:08 AM 2/10/00 , Kirt S. wrote: >So, I'm riding to work today... I get out of my neighborhood, travel the 3 >miles down the highway, turn off the highway and onto the street that my >building is on, pull into the parking lot, AND DROP THE FUCKING BIKE GOING >2 MPH!!!!!!!!! Ouch! Those hurt the pride more than anything. Last time (the only time I have dropped mine) I strained my wrist trying to keep it from falling at .5 MPH. Life certainly is a bitch. I STILL haven't put my D207s on the VFR. My tires are getting a little slick. That combined with sand and water/ice in the morning does not make for a secure feeling. Seems like the low speed 90 degree turns are the ones causing me to fishtail. I'll just ride like my grandma for a couple days and keep the shiny side up. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Magazines only complaint: Too Perfect From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 09:46:26 2000 Return-Path: stevied@XXXXXX Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06705 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27496 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:46:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A2CF69.B310972@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:47:05 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------62F4AB7CD6207C2ED8C8B677" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------62F4AB7CD6207C2ED8C8B677 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a response that was generated by an article that I forwarded from this list. My opinion is, safety first. Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org --------------62F4AB7CD6207C2ED8C8B677 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-POP3-Rcpt: stevied@gigue Return-Path: Received: from mcf.com (mail.mcf.com [204.141.213.21]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA06336 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from liststar.mcf.com (204.141.213.20) by mcf.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0b6); Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:00:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:02:16 -0500 Message-Id: <003301bf7362$7a229820$7880f7a5@badkiti> From: "gixette" Subject: RE: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-to: suzuki-l-request@XXXXXX X-No-Archive: Yes Restrict: no-external-archive X-URL: http://suzuki.mcf.com/ X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Dear Editor: I ride motorcycles and am also terribly frustrated with drivers who are poor drivers in general and by drivers who are completely unaware of any vehicles on the road except cars. I agree that learning to ride a motorcycle *can* make you a better driver (but it doesn't always). But of all of the bad drivers out there, I think Soccer Moms have something of an excuse. I really do object to the offensive, condescending attitude Mr. Despain displayed toward these Moms in his article. Especially the insinuations about how these Moms must glory over the control of their children, implying that their mothering is based on cruel and restrictive motivations. I've been a soccer mom...Every day I was filling up my Chevy Suburban with Cub Scouts, the baby, and the dog, or else Brownies (little girl scouts), the baby, and the dog. Otherwise, I was attending basketball games or chaufferring to music lessons. And all the time I'm driving, one of them is telling me the most important thing in his/her life for that moment, the baby is fussing, the dog is puking, I HAVE to pay attention to what the kid is saying because it is so important to him. I have to keep my eyes on traffic, I have to remember where I'm going and what activity I've planned for the cub scouts that day. I have supper to worry about, and I have to get a new undergarment to get ready for the damn company Xmas party that my husband has to attend. So, geez...of all the jerks on the road...please cut the Soccer Moms a little slack. If you (or your kids) had a life growing up, it's very likely because your soccer mom spent all her time making one for you. So EXCUSE me if her driving isn't exactly right on. Gixette/BadKiti ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I looked there; I went there. (aka Carla Merrill) --------------62F4AB7CD6207C2ED8C8B677-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 09:54:08 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07025 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:54:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-21.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.21]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA19854 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:52:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <015301bf73d6$56a7db20$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <001f01bf73c9$969919e0$5054f7a5@winnie> Subject: Re: Coleman Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:51:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Why pay anyone, especially the rip-off artists at Coleman's? If you want to buy the oil and filter and plugs, wires, etc. (whatever you want to change) and bring them to my house we can do it, make sure it is right and save you money. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Matteson To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 8:20 AM Subject: Coleman > Hello folks, I need a spring tune-up and Coleman power sports is right up > the street. I live in Rosslyn and can driv up Lee Highway to there shop. > I know they are expensive, and I am ready to dish out the $$ but do they > do a good job on bikes?? I need a tune-up, oil change and regular > maintenance. Just curious what others think and if there is someone else > closer that does a better job please let me know. > > On a second note, I have posted here regarding getting my bike painted > black. I have a '95 Yamaha YZF and want to go all black with the crome > frame and crome decals. Does anyone know any detail shops that do > motorcycles in the area?? I want all teh skins painted black according to > a picture I found. > > Thanks for any info I appreciate your help, > > Ryan > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 09:56:36 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07074 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1TVYK15P; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:56:20 -0500 Message-ID: <004f01bf73d7$0465b340$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Chuck Pena" , "Ryan Matteson" Cc: Subject: Re: Coleman Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:56:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 I second that. Denny is quite honest and cheaper than Coleman's. However, in my experienec, you have to 'ride' Denny a bit to get work done and done right. He has a way of missing dealines and his estimates can be off. But he is WAY better than Stoleman. mark -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena To: Ryan Matteson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:52 AM Subject: Re: Coleman >Ryan, > >I live in Rosslyn also and you might also want to check Crossroads >Cycles. It's a small shop in Bailey's Crossroads. Talk with Denny, the >owner (703) 820-3711. I recently had them put new tires on and tune up >my '93 GSXR 750. I'm happy with the work done. I don't know how much >(if any) less expensive they are than Coleman, but I'm very comfortable >that Denny knows his stuff. And while his shop isn't as "nice/clean" as >Coleman, Denny is very friendly, inviting, and willing to answer any and >all questions. > >Cheers, >Chuck > >Ryan Matteson wrote: >> >> Hello folks, I need a spring tune-up and Coleman power sports is right up >> the street. I live in Rosslyn and can driv up Lee Highway to there shop. >> I know they are expensive, and I am ready to dish out the $$ but do they >> do a good job on bikes?? I need a tune-up, oil change and regular >> maintenance. Just curious what others think and if there is someone else >> closer that does a better job please let me know. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 10:02:15 2000 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07358 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 10 Feb 2000 17:52:48 UT Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:00 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Coleman Message-ID: <2000021010020607-37599d26@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll second that! Dennis is a good friend of Jeannette as well... they have a good shop with knowledgeable folks working in it. It's not the cleanest place, but the guys do know what they're doing. If there was something that I could not do on any of my VFRs it would go there. Tom '86 VFR750 '86 VFR700 F2 (wife's rocket... more rocket-like this spring... hehe) ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Coleman Author: cvkgpena@XXXXXX (Chuck Pena) Date: 02/10/2000 12:38 PM Ryan, I live in Rosslyn also and you might also want to check Crossroads Cycles. It's a small shop in Bailey's Crossroads. Talk with Denny, the owner (703) 820-3711. I recently had them put new tires on and tune up my '93 GSXR 750. I'm happy with the work done. I don't know how much (if any) less expensive they are than Coleman, but I'm very comfortable that Denny knows his stuff. And while his shop isn't as "nice/clean" as Coleman, Denny is very friendly, inviting, and willing to answer any and all questions. Cheers, Chuck Ryan Matteson wrote: > > Hello folks, I need a spring tune-up and Coleman power sports is right up > the street. I live in Rosslyn and can driv up Lee Highway to there shop. > I know they are expensive, and I am ready to dish out the $$ but do they > do a good job on bikes?? I need a tune-up, oil change and regular > maintenance. Just curious what others think and if there is someone else > closer that does a better job please let me know. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 10:11:39 2000 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (host.intelsol.com [207.233.199.4] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07672 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:11:37 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256881.00536829 ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:11:01 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256881.00522651.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:10:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>But of all of the bad drivers out there, I think Soccer Moms have something of an excuse.<< SOMETHING OF AN EXCUSE? Now here is someone that might be better off not driving at all. I guess all those distractions she listed in her ranting letter "excuses" her from paying full attention to the road. What a nit wit. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 10:13:59 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07792 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30383 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:13:26 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000210095609.00c48980@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:13:25 -0500 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Soccer Mom article In-Reply-To: <38A2CF69.B310972@peabody.jhu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I thought about it this morning as I was pulling out of my street. I sat waiting for a minivan to get by. She was going about 10 in a 25...then stuck her head out the window to see. Apparently she felt that the sheet of ice covering her window should now be removed before continuing. Flash forward in time 15 minutes Sitting at a light about to turn right. Minivan stopped at opposite intersection blows light. She was watching the cross lights, saw them turn red, and assumed she was about to get a green light. Came close to hitting a left turner. I accelerated to give her a tsk-tsk head shake - she was going 70 is a 45. NJ plates made it more understandable. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Magazines only complaint: Too Perfect From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 10:17:16 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07879 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1HZW1KYA>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:17:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'Tom Zell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re[2]: Coleman Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:17:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I agree that he's very knowledgeable, but the one time I got work done there (tire change), one of the tires was balanced incorrectly. He also missed the deadline twice on that job which was pretty annoying. I wasn't too impressed, even though I have heard a lot of good things about that shop. The only shop with which I've had good results is Loudoun Motorsports. I highly recommend them, however they are in Leesburg - that's too far away for a lot of folks. The chief mechanic there has had the highest level of training that Honda offers, and he's always fast and accurate. The other mechanics there also seem to really know what they're doing. They also seem to be priced better than or comparable to other shops in the area. Chris Weaver > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [SMTP:TZell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 10:00 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re[2]: Coleman > > I'll second that! Dennis is a good friend of Jeannette as well... they > have a > good shop with knowledgeable folks working in it. It's not the cleanest > place, > but the guys do know what they're doing. If there was something that I > could > not do on any of my VFRs it would go there. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > '86 VFR700 F2 (wife's rocket... more rocket-like this spring... hehe) > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: Coleman > Author: cvkgpena@XXXXXX (Chuck Pena) > Date: 02/10/2000 12:38 PM > > Ryan, > > I live in Rosslyn also and you might also want to check Crossroads > Cycles. It's a small shop in Bailey's Crossroads. Talk with Denny, the > owner (703) 820-3711. I recently had them put new tires on and tune up > my '93 GSXR 750. I'm happy with the work done. I don't know how much > (if any) less expensive they are than Coleman, but I'm very comfortable > that Denny knows his stuff. And while his shop isn't as "nice/clean" as > Coleman, Denny is very friendly, inviting, and willing to answer any and > all questions. > > Cheers, > Chuck > > Ryan Matteson wrote: > > > > Hello folks, I need a spring tune-up and Coleman power sports is right > up > > the street. I live in Rosslyn and can driv up Lee Highway to there shop. > > I know they are expensive, and I am ready to dish out the $$ but do they > > do a good job on bikes?? I need a tune-up, oil change and regular > > maintenance. Just curious what others think and if there is someone else > > closer that does a better job please let me know. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 10:28:41 2000 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08040 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellu9wly) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12IvVe-0004eq-00; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:27:58 -0500 Message-ID: <02f401bf73da$ed76e4c0$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "gixette" Subject: Re: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:24:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 It seems to me that someone like you shouldn't be driving at all. Driving a car and/or riding a motorcycle is a PRIVELAGE and not a right. By taking advantage of the opprotunity to drive, you must also except responability for your actions. You not keeping your attention FULLY focused on the road is exactly why situations like this happen. You not keeping your children in check is the reason that your attention isn't always on the road. It's easy to explain to a child that you need to pay attention to what you are doing because not only is your own likfe in jeopardy by not paying attention, but so are the children in the car, the baby, the dog, and EVERYONE else on the road. You making excuses for anyone being a shitty driver, *especially* "soccer moms" is an effort by you to shirk your responsabilities as a licensed driver becuase you have things that are "more important" to devote your attention to than keeping your 2 ton suburban on the road. Undergarments, shopping list, crying babies, whining kids, puking dogs, it doesn't fucking matter. You can *easily* kill someone with your negligence. You are lucky you haven't done so already... Kirt -----Original Message----- From: gixette To: advertising@XXXXXX ; suzuki-l@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 8:06 PM Subject: RE: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article >Dear Editor: > >I ride motorcycles and am also terribly frustrated with drivers who are poor >drivers in general and by drivers who are completely unaware of any vehicles >on the road except cars. I agree that learning to ride a motorcycle *can* >make you a better driver (but it doesn't always). > >But of all of the bad drivers out there, I think Soccer Moms have something >of an excuse. I really do object to the offensive, condescending attitude >Mr. Despain displayed toward these Moms in his article. Especially the >insinuations about how these Moms must glory over the control of their >children, implying that their mothering is based on cruel and restrictive >motivations. > >I've been a soccer mom...Every day I was filling up my Chevy Suburban with >Cub Scouts, the baby, and the dog, or else Brownies (little girl scouts), >the baby, and the dog. Otherwise, I was attending basketball games or >chaufferring to music lessons. And all the time I'm driving, one of them is >telling me the most important thing in his/her life for that moment, the >baby is fussing, the dog is puking, I HAVE to pay attention to what the kid >is saying because it is so important to him. > >I have to keep my eyes on traffic, I have to remember where I'm going and >what activity I've planned for the cub scouts that day. I have supper to >worry about, and I have to get a new undergarment to get ready for the damn >company Xmas party that my husband has to attend. > >So, geez...of all the jerks on the road...please cut the Soccer Moms a >little slack. If you (or your kids) had a life growing up, it's very likely >because your soccer mom spent all her time making one for you. So EXCUSE me >if her driving isn't exactly right on. > >Gixette/BadKiti >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >I looked there; I went there. >(aka Carla Merrill) > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 10:34:30 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08122 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA19579 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:34:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <020d01bf73dc$1b0d0260$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coleman Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:32:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Chris W. wrote: snip... > > The only shop with which I've had good results is Loudoun Motorsports. snip... Well, isn't that special. So that's the appreciation I get. :) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 10:49:10 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08569 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1HZW1K5X>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:49:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Re[2]: Coleman Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:49:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain > Well, somebody dropped my bike last time I went to Thompson Motorsports! > :^) Oh wait, I guess that was me... > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 10:33 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coleman > > Chris W. wrote: > > snip... > > > > The only shop with which I've had good results is Loudoun Motorsports. > snip... > > > Well, isn't that special. So that's the appreciation I get. :) > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 10:57:22 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08797 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20880 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2000 15:55:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210155522.20879.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:55:22 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:55:22 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Irony at it's finest (worst) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Kirt S." wrote: > So much for the Cell phone and tattoos I was going > to buy with my bonus > check... I'll be sinking it back into the bike... We did that thread last week. Wasn't it Todd that said the bike costs 110% of your disposable income? Sorry to hear about the bike, glad it wasn't more damage. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 11:05:02 2000 Return-Path: pawilson@XXXXXX Received: from mail.digizen.net (mail.digizen.net [209.194.78.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08904 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:04:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002101604.LAA08904@meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 1870 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2000 16:07:23 -0000 Received: from ppp1-212.digizen.net (HELO palladio) (209.194.78.212) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2000 16:07:23 -0000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:59:48 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excerpt: "I've been a soccer mom...Every day I was filling up my Chevy Suburban with Cub Scouts, the baby, and the dog, or else Brownies (little girl scouts), the baby, and the dog. Otherwise, I was attending basketball games or chauffeuring to music lessons. And all the time I'm driving, one of them is telling me the most important thing in his/her life for that moment, the baby is fussing, the dog is puking, I HAVE to pay attention to what the kid is saying because it is so important to him." My response: Having legitimate reasons for being distracted while driving, such as puking dogs and insightful children telling you really important stuff, is no excuse for endangering yourself, your passengers, and other road users. Careless driving is careless driving whether it's caused by drunkenness, inattention, stupidity, cell phones, or puking dogs in the back of a minivan. I'm concerned about the results, not the causes; results like injury and death to the most vulnerable users of the roads: motorcyclists, bicyclists and pedestrians. Paul Wilson Washington DC ---------- > From: Steven C. Di Pietro > To: D.C.Cycles-L > Subject: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] > Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:47 AM > > Here's a response that was generated by an article that I forwarded from > this list. My opinion is, safety first. > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Maryland Coordinator > Suzuki Owners Club > http://www.soc-usa.org > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 11:22:23 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09249 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:22:22 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16222 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:14:50 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id LAA53826 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:21:03 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256881.0059CFE4 ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:20:59 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256881.005997A7.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:18:33 -0500 Subject: Torque Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone know if there is a chart somewhere on the web that lists torque, horsepower, E.T., etc. for current production bikes? I have searched, but to no avail. It seems like Motorcyclist or ?? used to have a printed roundup like this, but It's been awhile since I've seen it. Thanks in advance, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 11:39:19 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09547 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-47.patriot.net [209.249.181.47]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA08616; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:39:06 -0500 Message-ID: <38A2E941.3E6D5F42@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:37:22 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Paul A. Wilson" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] References: <200002101604.LAA08904@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah - shoot the dog, muzzle the rug rats, have a lexan security shield installed betwixt driver and bratty passangers - and PAY ATENTION, soccer moms. Bill Paul A. Wilson wrote: > My response: > > Having legitimate reasons for being distracted while driving, such as > puking dogs and insightful children telling you really important stuff, is > no excuse for endangering yourself, your passengers, and other road users. > > Careless driving is careless driving whether it's caused by drunkenness, > inattention, stupidity, cell phones, or puking dogs in the back of a > minivan. I'm concerned about the results, not the causes; results like > injury and death to the most vulnerable users of the roads: motorcyclists, > bicyclists and pedestrians. > > Paul Wilson > Washington DC > > ---------- > > From: Steven C. Di Pietro > > To: D.C.Cycles-L > > Subject: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] > > Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:47 AM > > > > Here's a response that was generated by an article that I forwarded from > > this list. My opinion is, safety first. > > > > Steven C. Di Pietro > > Maryland Coordinator > > Suzuki Owners Club > > http://www.soc-usa.org > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 11:41:19 2000 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09560 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:41:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA01547 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:41:04 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:31:46 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF73BA.6A083FA0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Irony at it's finest (worst) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:31:45 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No flames intended, but to quote our esteemed leader: "I feel your pain." I too, investigated the effects of depositing my CBR on the ground a few weeks ago. Not since I looked up to see three sets of police car lights flashing in my rear view has my sphincter tightened that bad. The day of the first snow I dumped my F3. I had just the weekend before put a new turn signal on it. I was considering replacing the one bad side body panel that came with the bike when I bought it, of course, the bike fell on its good side, so I have to buy two panels now. Yesterday I rode it for the first time and felt like crap because I was cold and nervous. I did spend Sunday shoveling out the parking space at home and my back has been feeling it all week (strange, didn't used to happen when I was younger). I'm trying to focus on the positive, I wasn't hurt and the bike still runs fine-but my ego is a little bent. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA So, I'm riding to work today... I get out of my neighborhood, travel the 3 miles down the highway, turn off the highway and onto the street that my building is on, pull into the parking lot, AND DROP THE FUCKING BIKE GOING 2 MPH!!!!!!!!! ON ICE THAT WASN"T THERE YESTERDAY!!! ICE THAT WAS IN *MY* PARKING SPOT!!! So, in an effort to remain calm, I pick myself up off the ground, pick up the bike (thankfully nothing serious was broken on me or the bike). The Shift lever end (the little rubber thingy) broke of, and I scratched the left side fairing, a teeny bit on the rear fairing, and partially broke the left side turn signal. The 'stich is hardly scratched at all. Here's the best (worst) part. I JUST FUCKING BOUGHT FRAME SLIDERS TWO DAYS AGO. Why? To protect my bike. I'm going to go out into the lot in a little while when the sun comes up and try and figure out why the ice is there. Why is it only when I'm being a responsible rider does shit like this happen to me? I should just wheelie all over the place. Nothing bad ever happens when I'm driving like an asshole. Kirt 99 F4 (wounded) "and I was gonna go riding today..." From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 11:42:12 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09637 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-47.patriot.net [209.249.181.47]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA09026; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:41:53 -0500 Message-ID: <38A2E9E8.C5A2E803@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:40:08 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rcrishoc@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Torque References: <85256881.005997A7.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm... Motorcycle Consumers Report has all the dirty details in thier reviews, but I don't recall seeing a compilation in the mag or on thier website. They do have a Top Ten list - fastest, quickest braking, etc... Bill rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a chart somewhere on the web that lists > torque, horsepower, E.T., etc. for current production bikes? I have > searched, but to no avail. It seems like Motorcyclist or ?? used to have a > printed roundup like this, but It's been awhile since I've seen it. > > Thanks in advance, > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ > Sterling From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 11:42:21 2000 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09646 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:42:20 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.8a.e09103 (7382) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:41:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8a.e09103.25d44447@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:41:43 EST Subject: Re: Torque To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Motorcyclist magazine has a somewhat outdated and limited performance index in it's latest issue. Motorcycle Consumer News has a much much better and up-to-date list in its latest issue. If you can't find a copy of MCN, I'd be willing to scan it and send it to you. Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" Looking at Moto Guzzi as a new ride :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 11:50:42 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09818 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6322 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2000 16:36:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210163631.6321.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:36:31 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:36:31 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , "D.C.Cycles-L" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think Gixette missed the point of the article. There isn't a lot of question about Soccer Mom's driving ability. There also isn't much that can be done about it. Let's keep this bad driving from being passed on to the next generation. Get the kid a dirt bike, let him/her learn that careful driving is both a civic responsibility and a personal goal. As the article states "Crashing sucks." Kids need to learn that, there's not a lot that can be done about Mom. Leon. --- "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > Here's a response that was generated by an article > that I forwarded from > this list. My opinion is, safety first. > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Maryland Coordinator > Suzuki Owners Club > http://www.soc-usa.org > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:02:16 -0500 > From: "gixette" > Subject: RE: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article > To: , > > > Dear Editor: > > I ride motorcycles and am also terribly frustrated > with drivers who are poor > drivers in general and by drivers who are completely > unaware of any vehicles > on the road except cars. I agree that learning to > ride a motorcycle *can* > make you a better driver (but it doesn't always). > > But of all of the bad drivers out there, I think > Soccer Moms have something > of an excuse. I really do object to the offensive, > condescending attitude > Mr. Despain displayed toward these Moms in his > article. Especially the > insinuations about how these Moms must glory over > the control of their > children, implying that their mothering is based on > cruel and restrictive > motivations. > > I've been a soccer mom...Every day I was filling up > my Chevy Suburban with > Cub Scouts, the baby, and the dog, or else Brownies > (little girl scouts), > the baby, and the dog. Otherwise, I was attending > basketball games or > chaufferring to music lessons. And all the time I'm > driving, one of them is > telling me the most important thing in his/her life > for that moment, the > baby is fussing, the dog is puking, I HAVE to pay > attention to what the kid > is saying because it is so important to him. > > I have to keep my eyes on traffic, I have to > remember where I'm going and > what activity I've planned for the cub scouts that > day. I have supper to > worry about, and I have to get a new undergarment to > get ready for the damn > company Xmas party that my husband has to attend. > > So, geez...of all the jerks on the road...please cut > the Soccer Moms a > little slack. If you (or your kids) had a life > growing up, it's very likely > because your soccer mom spent all her time making > one for you. So EXCUSE me > if her driving isn't exactly right on. > > Gixette/BadKiti > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I looked there; I went there. > (aka Carla Merrill) > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 12:26:00 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10457 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1HZW1LB7>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:25:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'rcrishoc@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Torque Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:25:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Get thee to a Borders or other upscale bookstore and look for the British magazine, "Bike". They have a very complete listing in the back of that magazine of all of the important stats. In fact, if there are a few bikes you'd like to compare, I have a few issues of Bike handy right now. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX [SMTP:rcrishoc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:19 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Torque > > > > Does anyone know if there is a chart somewhere on the web that lists > torque, horsepower, E.T., etc. for current production bikes? I have > searched, but to no avail. It seems like Motorcyclist or ?? used to have > a > printed roundup like this, but It's been awhile since I've seen it. > > Thanks in advance, > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ > Sterling > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 12:37:20 2000 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web507.mail.yahoo.com (web507.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10739 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23411 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2000 17:36:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210173651.23410.qmail@web507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.211] by web507.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:36:51 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:36:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: brake stuff.. To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian McCoy wrote: > well.. yikes, here we go again on this crazy ride. > first off, everyone has > their opinions, and most opinions have valid points > - lets not flame this to > death.... > > Rear brakes do have a valid and usefull purpose I used the rear brake once last year....it's highly overrated. I'm with Keith Code on this one...I mean, hey, that turd-burglar knows his shit!! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 12:38:31 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10759 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:38:30 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id d.92.14f8383 (7041); Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:37:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <92.14f8383.25d45170@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:37:52 EST Subject: Re: Coleman To: desc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Coleman will do something wrong to your bike (I think that's their guarantee). I would highly recommend CycleSport in Springfield (Just a little further from you than Coleman). They're a great shop, reasonable on price, and do great work. They're also a Yamaha shop. I've been dealing with them for years, and when I first started racing they were a great help for parts and minor work on my bike (Since then I picked up sponsorship, or I'd still be going there). For street gear, I still go there. They're right off 395 at the Springfield interchange on backlick rd (right by the mall). - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 13:01:29 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11190 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA05328 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:59:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <021b01bf73f0$6b6fd660$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coleman Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:58:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 That should have read, "Lovingly laid my superduperhawk on its side for rest". And I don't have any idea what Chris is talking about. Could it have something to do with the cheap LP front stand? I don't know... Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Weaver, Chris To: 'Danny Thompson' Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 10:47 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: Coleman > Well, somebody dropped my bike last time I went to Thompson Motorsports! :^) > Oh wait, I guess that was me... > > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 10:33 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coleman > > > > Chris W. wrote: > > > > snip... > > > > > > The only shop with which I've had good results is Loudoun Motorsports. > > snip... > > > > > > Well, isn't that special. So that's the appreciation I get. :) > > Danny > > '99 VFR > > '99 SV > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 13:08:31 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11287 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:08:30 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id n.1e.148ea16 (7041); Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:07:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e.148ea16.25d4584f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:07:11 EST Subject: Re: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] To: stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 In a message dated 2/10/00 9:51:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, stevied@XXXXXX writes: > Here's a response that was generated by an article that I forwarded from > this list. My opinion is, safety first. (This is not a flame - this is simply a statement of my opinion regarding these issues - if you think I'm a personal responsibility nazi, so be it. :) Also... this is not to say that ALL soccer moms are bad drivers... I'm sure there are some good ones out there... somewhere ... ) If your opinion is "safety first", why do you say you are paying attention to many more things than piloting a potentially lethal two-ton barge of metal at (being nice) 55mph? Why do "Soccer Moms" have "Something of an excuse" for being bad drivers and potentially causing a lethal hazard to motorcyclists and other motorists? I don't believe that the fact they chose to have children gives them a "get out of vehicular manslaughter free" card? What you HAVE to pay attention to is the road and other vehicles around you. Anything else is *secondary*. The child is not going to die if you ignore it until the next safe stopping point. The dog is not going to die if wait to clean up the mess until the next safe stopping point. You might have to put up with screaming, and yelling, and protesting, and horrible noises (from the dog), but *no one gets killed*. The cyclist you sideswipe because you were paying attention to these other things instead of driving just might die. Now... which of these things is more important? It seems that in the good 'ol US, no one is responsible for their actions anymore... it's always someone or something else's fault. The basic concept here is that yes, some people have children - that's a good thing because the human race kinda needs them to keep going. However, it doesn't mean they get special privileges and don't need to be as responsible and attentive as the rest of us non-breeders. It means they either need to work harder at being able to do many things at once, figure out some real important priorities, or get some help if they can't handle the tasks. Driving today, especially in crowded metropolitan areas, can have SEVERE consequences unless every bit of your attention is on the road. Those consequences, in my opinion, outweigh any of the slight inconveniences a "soccer mom" would need to endure by choosing to focus on driving instead of managing the interior of the family battle tank. Respectfully, Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 13:17:05 2000 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11454 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [152.119.40.21] by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:40:02 -0500 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1JG1N6V9>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:38:52 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:38:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) All of you self righteous people amaze me . There are far worse problems on the roads then soccer moms in minivans. I guess everyone should just stop having kids (or at least stop driving them anywhere) in order to make you happy and feel safe. Some people have kids and you know what, when the kids are in a car, or a truck or a minivan they can be distracting. What do you propose, putting the kids in the trunk? Oh, I forgot the kids should just sit there like good little statues and not bother mommy or daddy. Most can do this 90% of the time, but remember they are kids, and sometimes start to act like it. I agree, distracted drivers can be dangerous, but the main thing is to be responsible for your own safety and minimize the risks other drivers, not just the ones in the minivans, may cause you. Not a soccer mom, but a soccer/basketball/swimming dad who drives a minivan normally loaded with kids and has somehow managed not to kill anyone while driving. Putting on my flame resistant suit and getting down off my soapbox. Don B From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 13:25:38 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (fb01.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11598 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-18.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.146]) by fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05395 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:24:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A32D65.55F0DC13@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:28:05 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Coleman References: <004f01bf73d7$0465b340$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote : > > in my experienec, you have to 'ride' Denny a bit to get work done and done > right. He has a way of missing dealines and his estimates can be off. Chris Weaver wrote : > > He also missed the > deadline twice on that job which was pretty annoying. My own experience with Denny at Crossroads Cycles is that he delivered on time and on the money. Of course, YMMV. I talked to him about what I wanted done to my m/c before I ever brought it in and made an appointment so I don't know if that made any difference in his ability to get the job done on time and budget. Brian Roach wrote : > > I would highly recommend CycleSport in Springfield (Just a little further > from you than Coleman). I've also heard lots of good things about CycleSport and have friends who swear by their mechanics/service department. And since they're a Yamaha shop and the orginal poster rides a Yamaha, certainly a good match! Cheers, Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 13:27:33 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11692 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1HZW1LF7>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:27:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re[2]: Coleman Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:27:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain To Danny: That confused the hell out of me when it happened. Maybe someone on the list can explain it, since we brought it up. To Everyone: I went to Danny's house a while back to swap out brake discs on my front wheel. We put the bike on the stands (both front & rear), and I began to take the front wheel off while Danny attended to his VFR. When I pulled the axle halfway out, the bike all of a sudden collapsed onto one side and fell over. (No real damage, so no big deal, but scary nonetheless) Did I ignore some basic physics property of wheel removal? Why on earth would this happen? The stand, by the way, was one of those kinds that has pegs that insert into the holes in the bottom of each fork leg. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 12:58 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coleman > > That should have read, "Lovingly laid my superduperhawk on its side for > rest". And I don't have any idea what Chris is talking about. Could it > have > something to do with the cheap LP front stand? I don't know... > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Weaver, Chris > To: 'Danny Thompson' > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 10:47 AM > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Coleman > > > > Well, somebody dropped my bike last time I went to Thompson Motorsports! > :^) > > Oh wait, I guess that was me... > > > > Chris > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 10:33 AM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coleman > > > > > > Chris W. wrote: > > > > > > snip... > > > > > > > > The only shop with which I've had good results is Loudoun > Motorsports. > > > snip... > > > > > > > > > Well, isn't that special. So that's the appreciation I get. :) > > > Danny > > > '99 VFR > > > '99 SV > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 13:27:57 2000 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11702 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [152.119.40.21] by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:52:03 -0500 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1JG1N6XA>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:50:53 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Recall: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:50:51 -0500 Expiry-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 11:51:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Burger, Donald would like to recall the message, "[Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article]". From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 13:34:36 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11797 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:34:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:34:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200002101334.AA69468554@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Irony at it's finest (worst) X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Kirt S." >I'm going to go out into the lot >in a little while when the sun comes up and try and figure out why the ice >is there. There's a lot of magically-appearing ice because it melts during the day and spreads water over the road, which freezes up overnight. >Why is it only when I'm being a responsible rider does shit like >this happen to me? I should just wheelie all over the place. Nothing bad >ever happens when I'm driving like an asshole. You let your guard down because you thought it was safe? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 13:35:14 2000 Return-Path: jzell@XXXXXX Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11876 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA22437; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:34:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000210133922.00a0e8f0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:41:17 +0000 To: "Burger, Donald" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: RE: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I guess I better get ready for the flames, as well, but I'll tell you the WORST distraction I have personally seen is the damn cell phones! Whenever I see someone weaving during the day like they're drunk or going so far below the speed limit I can't figure out just what the hell they're doing, they're on a cell phone. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 11:38 AM 2/10/00 -0500, Burger, Donald wrote: >All of you self righteous people amaze me . There are far worse problems on >the roads then soccer moms in minivans. > >I guess everyone should just stop having kids (or at least stop driving them >anywhere) in order to make you happy and feel safe. Some people have kids >and you know what, when the kids are in a car, or a truck or a minivan they >can be distracting. What do you propose, putting the kids in the trunk? >Oh, I forgot the kids should just sit there like good little statues and not >bother mommy or daddy. Most can do this 90% of the time, but remember they >are kids, and sometimes start to act like it. > >I agree, distracted drivers can be dangerous, but the main thing is to be >responsible for your own safety and minimize the risks other drivers, not >just the ones in the minivans, may cause you. > >Not a soccer mom, but a soccer/basketball/swimming dad who drives a minivan >normally loaded with kids and has somehow managed not to kill anyone while >driving. > >Putting on my flame resistant suit and getting down off my soapbox. >Don B > > Jeannette L. Zell From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 13:38:14 2000 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11916 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA4116662; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:37:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A30586.743BEE55@radix.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:37:58 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Burger, Donald" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Burger, Donald" wrote: > All of you self righteous people amaze me . There are far worse problems on > the roads then soccer moms in minivans. Since all of us here can personally attest to having almost been killed by an ignorant, minivan toting, soccer mom/dad - it seems you're underestimating the problem. An inattentive driver is far more dangerous than an aggressive driver. The statement above about 'far more dangerous problems' is an insult to everyone's intelligence. > > Oh, I forgot the kids should just sit there like good little statues and not > bother mommy or daddy. Most can do this 90% of the time, but remember they > are kids, and sometimes start to act like it. This sounds particularly like a parenting failure, not a 'kid behavior problem'. Again, Brian was correct - another example of trying ot pass the buck. The kids will behave as they are conditioned to behave BY THEIR PARENTS. If the kids are misbehaving, it's up to the parents to correct it. Holding a conversation with your kid(s) is one thing, allowing them to distract you while driving is a danger to everyone on the road at the same time as you. It's also conditioning the kids negatively or allowing them to think it's ok to exhibit negative behavior... A parenting problem. If you can't control 'em, don't have 'em. > > I agree, distracted drivers can be dangerous, but the main thing is to be > responsible for your own safety and minimize the risks other drivers, not > just the ones in the minivans, may cause you. Statistically speaking, 2 demographics of drivers are responsible for 85 % of the 'stupid driver tricks', minivan pilots & BMW (cage) drivers. Clearly, legislation is necessary. What we need is a mandatory 5 day waiting period on these 'assault vehicles'. Also, a passenger/cargo capacity plug - no vehicle should be allowed to carry more than 2 passengers, for the sake of society. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ MVS Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 13:48:54 2000 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12105 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA4215621 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:48:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A30811.A7257F80@radix.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:48:49 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] References: <4.1.20000210133922.00a0e8f0@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > I guess I better get ready for the flames, as well, but I'll tell you the > WORST distraction I have personally seen is the damn cell phones! Whenever > I see someone weaving during the day like they're drunk or going so far > below the speed limit I can't figure out just what the hell they're doing, > they're on a cell phone. The proliferation of these sinister little 'techno-evils' is ridiculous. Looking outside my office, I can see people crossing Wisconsin Ave. in Bethesda while yakking away on their phones, as if they're surgically implanted. Totally oblivious to traffic signals, horns, threats, etc... I hear somebody in the Md. general Assy. has proposed making cell yakking & driving a traffic offense... Cops could enforce this already as inattentive driving, they simply choose not to. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ MVS Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 13:56:05 2000 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12207 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:56:04 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA16697; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:52:12 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002814; Thu, 10 Feb 00 13:39:49 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FPQ001L096BF9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256881.006690DA ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:40:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:38:19 -0500 Subject: RE: Torque To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256881.00666CC6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL However, be sure that the specs of the US and UK models are the same. --chris To: "'rcrishoc@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: From: "Weaver, Chris" Date: 02/10/2000 05:25:55 PM GMT Subject: RE: Torque Get thee to a Borders or other upscale bookstore and look for the British magazine, "Bike". They have a very complete listing in the back of that magazine of all of the important stats. In fact, if there are a few bikes you'd like to compare, I have a few issues of Bike handy right now. Chris Weaver '98 VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 13:56:28 2000 Return-Path: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12216 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:56:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000210144915.14224.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.227.153] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 06:49:15 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 06:49:15 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have to agree with the recommendation for Manassas Honda. The one time I've taken my bike in for the faulty speedometer cable :-) they did very good work and only charged me $29 for the parts and labor. Glenn --- Troutman wrote: > > I go to Manassas Honda - but that is a lot closer to > me than you.... > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 13:59:39 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12290 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:59:38 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id u.17.19a6eb2 (7041); Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:58:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17.19a6eb2.25d46470@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:58:56 EST Subject: Re: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 In a message dated 2/10/00 1:24:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX writes: Donald - you're absolutely right, not everyone who has kids or pets is a horrible driver. There are plenty that are not (otherwise we'd all be dead by now). However... > All of you self righteous people amaze me. There are far worse problems on > the roads then soccer moms in minivans. Yup - ANYONE paying attention to ANYTHING else other than driving are equally as dangerous. Please note that 'you' in this message is used in the collective sense, not directed at any one person. (getting back to usual self rather than courteous mode used in initial reply) I don't care if you've got nine kids in the back of your chevy subdivision, all of them SCREAMING at the top of their little lungs, with 4 dogs in the way way back of it each with some sort of digestive problem. NONE OF THAT IS AS IMPORTANT AS NOT KILLING SOMEONE DRIVING NEAR YOU. Furthermore, reading the paper, talking on the phone, daydreaming about what you're going to do when you get off work, setting the presets on your new stereo (which you're not quite sure how to do), or ANYTHING other than paying attention to your and others' cars around you traveling at 88 ft/sec (60mph) is irresponsible, and you should have your license ticketed, or pulled in the case of a serious accident. Period. If you ignore something in the car, you have a minor inconvenience (ok, unless it's on fire or something - that could be classified as a major inconvenience). If you ignore something on the road, you have a possible fatality. NOTHING can change this fact. Anyone who says that they HAVE to pay attention to something in the car, and that gives them an "excuse" should be tried for premeditated murder in the case of a fatal accident - they have *proactivly chosen* to cause that accident by being irresponsible behind the wheel and not paying attention to the task at hand. How anyone can say "Oh, I don't need to pay attention because I have X going on in my car, and I need to be thinking about what panties to wear later tonight" is beyond me. That is why people on this list are so riled up. They're not being self righteous, they're being outraged. Simply averting your eyes for *2 seconds* to change the radio station on your stereo puts you *176 feet* down the road at 60mph. A lot can happen in those 2 seconds. I take personal responsibility in my driving. If I'm in traffic, I listen to the same station until I can get to a point where I can change it and not hit the guy in front of me because *I wasn't paying attention when he hit his brakes*. I guarantee you that 99% of drivers in that accident would blame the guy in front for braking rather than say, "Well, I looked away for 2 seconds to change my station, and when I looked back up, traffic had slowed, he had hit his brakes, and I couldn't avoid him." I also don't answer my cell phone while driving, or place calls - that's what the caller ID and voicemail are for. If I know it's something important, I pull off at the next exit. Respectfully, - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 14:06:00 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12526 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:05:56 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.a.e697b7 (7041); Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:05:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:05:06 EST Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coleman To: CWeaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 In a message dated 2/10/00 1:33:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > The stand, by the way, was one of those kinds that has pegs that > insert into the holes in the bottom of each fork leg. And herein lies the problem. These stands can be problematic in that they allow the forks to turn and/or one side of the forks to become unsupported while you're pulling on the axle, and the whole bike can (as in your case) fall. At the track I use a pitbull front stand which supports the bike from the steering head, and have never had a problem after many many uses. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 14:27:04 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12923 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:27:02 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.10.ae1cc8 (7041) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:26:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10.ae1cc8.25d46ae2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:26:26 EST Subject: Experience To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 One thing I would like to note that relates to the original article written by Dave Dispain - he's absolutely right when it comes to experience. I thought I was a pretty decent rider/driver before I started racing motorcycles. I was wrong. The experience gained at the track has been invaluable in day-to-day riding and driving. When racing you are forced to learn insanely quick reactions and emergency maneuvers of all types (Not necessarilly due to other riders' actions mind you... ). This translates directly to public roads. Case in point - recently I had a guy cut me off approaching an intersection with a red light (One of these "If I cut over one lane I improve my position in line by 15 feet!" guys). I hit the brakes... on a big patch of asphalt sealer. The front end locks immediately and damn near went to full lock right. I was able to come off the brake, straighten the front, get back on the brake, modulate it, and come to a stop behind the guy who cut me off. A year ago I guarantee you I would have either been A) on the ground, or B) in his back seat. Anyway... just thought I'd share :) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 14:39:08 2000 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13122 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:39:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 10 Feb 2000 14:37:58 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coleman Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:40:52 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal >We put the bike on the stands (both front & rear), and I began to >take the front wheel off while Danny attended to his VFR. When I pulled the >axle halfway out, the bike all of a sudden collapsed onto one side and fell >over. You can't count on front stands to do squat for stability. Chances are it was the adjustment of the rear stand. Was the swingarm firmly in the rear stand (i.e. with very little side to side movement possible). I know my rear stand won't support my F2 very well because it doesn't adjust out enough on either side to hold it firmly. When you lever the front end up, you may have twisted the front of the bike a little causing the rear swingarm to move in the stand, then when yanking on the axle it slipped out. This has happened to my F2 numerous times, fortunately minus all the street stuff it is light enough that I could save it. The cheaper type stands can flex, and the little springs that push out the adjustable width can move out when you move the bike making them kind of unstable. When I borrowed Brian R's pitbull rear stand my F2 actually rolled rearward on the stand so the thinner section of the swingarm would be in the stand (also the bike would get low enough to the ground that I couldn't get the rear wheel back on). My LP rear stand pisses me off because it is too wide for my F2. My ZX9 on the other hand gets its swingarm scratched up because it is too tight. The bonus is the ZX9 aint going anywhere when I finally get it on the stand. I'm going with a spooled stand next time! Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 14:51:59 2000 Return-Path: cbxturbo@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13400 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-133-93.s93.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.133.93] helo=cbxturbo) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12Izcr-0001kt-00; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:51:42 -0500 Message-ID: <00d901bf7400$d7b441c0$5d85a4d8@cbxturbo> From: "Swifty" To: , , References: Subject: Great Bike Service and Repair Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:55:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Probably the best shop in town is Myers Cycle in Kensington MD Steve Silverman is probably the best wrench in town. They work on all brands. John Swift From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 16:02:07 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f175.hotmail.com [209.185.131.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14691 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72957 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 2000 21:01:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210210129.72956.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:01:29 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Coleman: No, Cycle Sport Sprgfld: Yes Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:01:29 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm another regular customer at CycleSport Springfield. Prices OK; workmanship excellent. I think they'll work on any make. Don't know about Harley. Small shop, you can easily talk directly to the mechanics. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 16:17:26 2000 Return-Path: jzell@XXXXXX Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14997 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA25409; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:17:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000210162301.00a18060@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:23:44 +0000 To: "Doug Allis" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Coleman: No, Cycle Sport Sprgfld: Yes In-Reply-To: <20000210210129.72956.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I agree, the couple of times I visited them they did really good work and didn't treat me like I was stupid. The actually know motorcycles, unlike Coleman. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 01:01 PM 2/10/00 -0800, Doug Allis wrote: >I'm another regular customer at CycleSport Springfield. > >Prices OK; workmanship excellent. I think they'll work on any make. Don't >know about Harley. > >Small shop, you can easily talk directly to the mechanics. >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Jeannette L. Zell From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 16:23:36 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f167.hotmail.com [209.185.131.230]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15085 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59933 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 2000 21:22:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210212245.59932.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:22:45 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Soccer Mom article] Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:22:45 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >What do you propose, putting the kids in the trunk? HMMMMM.....My wife and I have often discussed the installation of a soundproof plexiglass barrier between the back and front seats of our Jeep Cherokee. (as in limo-Jeep)!!! Why, We could just slam the brats in their seats and go in peace!!!! Not to mention the fact we could listen to our own music in peace!!!! I DO like the trunk idea but it just won't work in a SUV or minivan! Anyone else have any good ideas for the soccer mom and dads here? ;-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 17:02:16 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15860 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1WGP9MQB; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:01:35 -0500 Message-ID: <00d401bf7412$7b032420$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "VFR List" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Pants Recommendation needed Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:57:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 I am looking for a pair of leather pants with armor that can zip into my Vanson Jacket. I hate the Vanson pants, so they are out. Any other suggestions. I talked to Z Customer Leathers and they can make a pair for $500. Steep, but not that much more than the Vansons. Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 17:15:32 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16150 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1HZW1LRZ>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:15:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Pants Recommendation needed Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:15:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Keep an eye on the direction that the zipper pulls and how long it is. When I was looking last year, there didn't seem to be any standard in this area. I would make sure you get a chance to actually try zipping your jacket to the pants before you buy them. I hate to say this, but try the Coleman's down near Potomac Mills mall. They have a pretty large selection and you could at least figure out which ones match. Chris 98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [SMTP:mKitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 4:58 PM > To: VFR List; DC Cycles > Subject: Pants Recommendation needed > > I am looking for a pair of leather pants with armor that can zip into my > Vanson Jacket. I hate the Vanson pants, so they are out. Any other > suggestions. > > I talked to Z Customer Leathers and they can make a pair for $500. Steep, > but not that much more than the Vansons. > > Thanks > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 17:23:47 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16269 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0FPQ00EPBJH5J7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:22:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA13977; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:22:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.175]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000210222040.OPHG31786@toddnt>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:20:40 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:18:31 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Re[2]: Coleman In-reply-to: To: "Weaver, Chris" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000801bf7414$c368daa0$c9ac2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Not sure you did anything wrong. Maybe you shook the bike while removing the axle. Now, why were you removing the wheel to replace the pads? I simply remove the calipers, but I know you can do the job by simply removing the pins and swapping the pads w/o any other disassembly. Collin Fagen does it this way. I just like to get into the caliper to clean it up some. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Weaver, Chris [mailto:CWeaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 1:27 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Coleman > > > To Danny: > That confused the hell out of me when it happened. Maybe someone > on the list > can explain it, since we brought it up. > > To Everyone: > I went to Danny's house a while back to swap out brake discs on my front > wheel. We put the bike on the stands (both front & rear), and I began to > take the front wheel off while Danny attended to his VFR. When I > pulled the > axle halfway out, the bike all of a sudden collapsed onto one > side and fell > over. (No real damage, so no big deal, but scary nonetheless) Did I ignore > some basic physics property of wheel removal? Why on earth would this > happen? The stand, by the way, was one of those kinds that has pegs that > insert into the holes in the bottom of each fork leg. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 12:58 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coleman > > > > That should have read, "Lovingly laid my superduperhawk on its side for > > rest". And I don't have any idea what Chris is talking about. Could it > > have > > something to do with the cheap LP front stand? I don't know... > > Danny > > '99 VFR > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 17:32:30 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16451 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0FPQ00G86JWJ2G@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:31:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA19545; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:32:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.175]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000210223043.ORMP31786@toddnt>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:30:43 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:28:35 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] In-reply-to: To: "Burger, Donald" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000a01bf7416$2b26d150$c9ac2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Hey Don, I like you man, but you're thinking about this all wrong and it sounds like you are taking it personally. If someone is injured, killed or suffers property damage due to an inattentive driver, the judge won't care. Man if that were the case, people could get away with any old thing they wanted to. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger, Donald [mailto:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:39 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] > > > All of you self righteous people amaze me . There are far worse > problems on > the roads then soccer moms in minivans. > > I guess everyone should just stop having kids (or at least stop > driving them > anywhere) in order to make you happy and feel safe. Some people have kids > and you know what, when the kids are in a car, or a truck or a > minivan they > can be distracting. What do you propose, putting the kids in the trunk? > Oh, I forgot the kids should just sit there like good little > statues and not > bother mommy or daddy. Most can do this 90% of the time, but > remember they > are kids, and sometimes start to act like it. > > I agree, distracted drivers can be dangerous, but the main thing is to be > responsible for your own safety and minimize the risks other drivers, not > just the ones in the minivans, may cause you. > > Not a soccer mom, but a soccer/basketball/swimming dad who drives > a minivan > normally loaded with kids and has somehow managed not to kill anyone while > driving. > > Putting on my flame resistant suit and getting down off my soapbox. > Don B > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 17:32:42 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16454 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FPQ00E3OJWOP6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:31:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA16992 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:31:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.175]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000210223038.ORMK31786@toddnt> for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:30:38 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:28:29 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] In-reply-to: <4.1.20000210133922.00a0e8f0@intertv.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000901bf7416$27c2e5d0$c9ac2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I-witness...Me at stop sign waiting to turn left onto busy road. Dude across the street in white Van on Cell phone, no turn signals. There is an opportunity and I wave him across or right or left or something damnit, I don't want to sit here for 10 minutes while you blab on the phone. He sees me and bolts out straight, w/o looking to either side and nearly clips a Toyota coming down the hill.....please...get...off...the...PHONE! Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 8:41 AM > To: Burger, Donald; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] > > > I guess I better get ready for the flames, as well, but I'll tell you the > WORST distraction I have personally seen is the damn cell phones! > Whenever > I see someone weaving during the day like they're drunk or going so far > below the speed limit I can't figure out just what the hell they're doing, > they're on a cell phone. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > At 11:38 AM 2/10/00 -0500, Burger, Donald wrote: > >All of you self righteous people amaze me . There are far worse > problems on > >the roads then soccer moms in minivans. > > > >I guess everyone should just stop having kids (or at least stop > driving them > >anywhere) in order to make you happy and feel safe. Some people > have kids > >and you know what, when the kids are in a car, or a truck or a > minivan they > >can be distracting. What do you propose, putting the kids in the trunk? > >Oh, I forgot the kids should just sit there like good little > statues and not > >bother mommy or daddy. Most can do this 90% of the time, but > remember they > >are kids, and sometimes start to act like it. > > > >I agree, distracted drivers can be dangerous, but the main thing is to be > >responsible for your own safety and minimize the risks other drivers, not > >just the ones in the minivans, may cause you. > > > >Not a soccer mom, but a soccer/basketball/swimming dad who > drives a minivan > >normally loaded with kids and has somehow managed not to kill > anyone while > >driving. > > > >Putting on my flame resistant suit and getting down off my soapbox. > >Don B > > > > > > Jeannette L. Zell > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 17:33:03 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16470 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FPQ00EDKJXGHD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:32:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA26812; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:31:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.175]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000210223046.ORMW31786@toddnt>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:30:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:28:37 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Soccer Mom article] In-reply-to: <20000210212245.59932.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Doug Allis , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000b01bf7416$2cc05d10$c9ac2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Allis [mailto:dhallis@XXXXXX] > > Anyone else have any good ideas for the soccer mom and dads here? > ;-) Muzzles and morphine ;-) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 17:47:38 2000 Return-Path: mharrell@XXXXXX Received: from cj30520-a.manss1.va.home.com (65005@XXXXXX [24.7.169.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA16789 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 307 invoked by uid 48381); 10 Feb 2000 22:47:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:47:28 -0500 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Soccer Mom article] Message-ID: <20000210174728.A32766@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i : Anyone else have any good ideas for the soccer mom and dads here? : ;-) Roof rack and bungee cords? -- Matthew Harrell "Think of it as evolution in action" Bit Twiddlers, Inc. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 18:00:34 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17029 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA12257 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:00:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <02ec01bf741a$6ceff4a0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <000801bf7414$c368daa0$c9ac2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coleman Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:59:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 He was swapping rotors and replacing one of them. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Peer To: Weaver, Chris ; Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 5:18 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: Coleman > Not sure you did anything wrong. Maybe you shook the bike while removing > the axle. Now, why were you removing the wheel to replace the pads? I > simply remove the calipers, but I know you can do the job by simply removing > the pins and swapping the pads w/o any other disassembly. Collin Fagen does > it this way. I just like to get into the caliper to clean it up some. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Weaver, Chris [mailto:CWeaver@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 1:27 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Coleman > > > > > > To Danny: > > That confused the hell out of me when it happened. Maybe someone > > on the list > > can explain it, since we brought it up. > > > > To Everyone: > > I went to Danny's house a while back to swap out brake discs on my front > > wheel. We put the bike on the stands (both front & rear), and I began to > > take the front wheel off while Danny attended to his VFR. When I > > pulled the > > axle halfway out, the bike all of a sudden collapsed onto one > > side and fell > > over. (No real damage, so no big deal, but scary nonetheless) Did I ignore > > some basic physics property of wheel removal? Why on earth would this > > happen? The stand, by the way, was one of those kinds that has pegs that > > insert into the holes in the bottom of each fork leg. > > > > Chris Weaver > > '98 VTR > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 12:58 PM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coleman > > > > > > That should have read, "Lovingly laid my superduperhawk on its side for > > > rest". And I don't have any idea what Chris is talking about. Could it > > > have > > > something to do with the cheap LP front stand? I don't know... > > > Danny > > > '99 VFR > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 18:25:55 2000 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17469 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:25:54 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.11.100164d (3938) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:25:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11.100164d.25d4a2dd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:25:17 EST Subject: Aftermarket Clip-ons To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 It looks as if I might need to invest in some aftermarket clip-ons. Best place to find them? Best brands? What to look for in a clip-on? How much to spend? (One stock clip-on is close to $150!) Thanks for any and all help. Local shops? Online? Catalogues? -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F Bikeless for 3 weeks....ugh!!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 20:13:13 2000 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19230 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:13:12 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id i.36.1f6e611 (4510); Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:12:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36.1f6e611.25d4bbff@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:12:31 EST Subject: Re: Coleman: No, Cycle Sport Sprgfld: Yes To: dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 In a message dated 2/10/2000 4:09:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: << I'm another regular customer at CycleSport Springfield. Prices OK; workmanship excellent. I think they'll work on any make. Don't know about Harley. Small shop, you can easily talk directly to the mechanics. >> I recommend them also. After all, I just bought my new bike from them. They've been working on my bikes for the past couple years and always do a good job. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 21:22:49 2000 Return-Path: f4rider@XXXXXX Received: from 204.91.230.164 (mail.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.164]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA20440 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from bradspc (dialup-209.244.211.253.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.211.253]) by 204.91.230.164; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:21:25 -0500 Message-ID: <002801bf7437$bb708500$32d7a8c0@bradspc> Reply-To: "Brad Faas" From: "Brad Faas" To: , References: <20000210120155.23402.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Oil was: Rear brake Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:25:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Glenn Dysart wrote: > You know a question like this is going to get a > million answers, all of them different, right? Yep. :-) Just figured beating another dead horse would be more fun than the rear brake issue. :-) I was joking, but the replies were something of an eye-opener. FWIW, I've always used Mobil One15W-50 in my F4 and my previous EX500. And, surprisingly, all the folks who responded to my quasi-question have all used Mobil One15W and recommended it. That's gotta be some sort of DC-Cycles consensus record or something.... :-) Brad 99 CBR600 F4 88 FZR400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 21:46:14 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20909 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FPQ00FHVVO32M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 02:45:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id CAA08478; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 02:45:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.167.64]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000211024535.TKET23330@toddnt>; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 02:45:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:42:43 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Re[2]: Coleman In-reply-to: <02ec01bf741a$6ceff4a0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> To: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000c01bf7439$abdcb7b0$c9ac2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal D'oh! I read it, but 'ass'umed calipers. My bad. > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [mailto:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 5:59 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coleman > > > He was swapping rotors and replacing one of them. > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Todd Peer > To: Weaver, Chris ; > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 5:18 PM > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Coleman > > > > Not sure you did anything wrong. Maybe you shook the bike > while removing > > the axle. Now, why were you removing the wheel to replace the pads? I > > simply remove the calipers, but I know you can do the job by simply > removing > > the pins and swapping the pads w/o any other disassembly. Collin Fagen > does > > it this way. I just like to get into the caliper to clean it up some. > > > > Todd > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Weaver, Chris [mailto:CWeaver@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 1:27 PM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Coleman > > > > > > > > > To Danny: > > > That confused the hell out of me when it happened. Maybe someone > > > on the list > > > can explain it, since we brought it up. > > > > > > To Everyone: > > > I went to Danny's house a while back to swap out brake discs > on my front > > > wheel. We put the bike on the stands (both front & rear), and > I began to > > > take the front wheel off while Danny attended to his VFR. When I > > > pulled the > > > axle halfway out, the bike all of a sudden collapsed onto one > > > side and fell > > > over. (No real damage, so no big deal, but scary nonetheless) Did I > ignore > > > some basic physics property of wheel removal? Why on earth would this > > > happen? The stand, by the way, was one of those kinds that > has pegs that > > > insert into the holes in the bottom of each fork leg. > > > > > > Chris Weaver > > > '98 VTR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 12:58 PM > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Coleman > > > > > > > > That should have read, "Lovingly laid my superduperhawk on its side > for > > > > rest". And I don't have any idea what Chris is talking > about. Could it > > > > have > > > > something to do with the cheap LP front stand? I don't know... > > > > Danny > > > > '99 VFR > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 22:01:24 2000 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA21219 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29063 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2000 03:01:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000211030120.29062.qmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.111.78] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:01:20 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:01:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Coleman: No, Cycle Sport Sprgfld: Yes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As long as everyone else is chiming in on Cycle Sports Springfield... They have always finished my bike when promised. Sometimes even earlier! If I go to drop my bike off and they have a long lead time, rather than holding on to my bike for several days, they will put me in the "queue" and tell me what day to bring the bike in. This way it isn't sitting around just waiting for days. They usually go above the call of duty. For example, when I first got my old (used) Nighthawk, they corrected the aim of the light, tightened several things, and made sure everything else was all right, without charging me extra (I had only brought it in for an oil change). Later, when I got my Concours, they noticed I was getting some dirt in the carbs, so they put in an in-line fuel filter, and only charged me for the filter. They said as long as they had the tank off and were doing everything else, why tack on an extra charge for the labor? I know that if I talk to Robert or Ed and ask them something about my bike, that I will get a straight answer, with no inflated prices/services needed, no BS, and that they will take what I say seriously. Despite the fact that they are a Yamaha shop, when I told Ed I was thinking about getting a Concours, he gave me honest (and positive) feedback on the bike. The people behind the accessories counter have always tried to help me find what I needed, whether they sold it or not. In fact, when I looked for a Bagster tankbag system, Greg said he could do the paperwork to become a distributor, and make the sale, but it would be faster and cheaper if I just ordered direct from another place, since there probably wouldn't be too many other people interested in it. These people have earned my loyalty. Except for items like my Aerostich and the Bagster, I usually buy everything from them. And I haven't noticed any changes with the new management (except some new faces, and one person who left) Oh, one other advantage is that they are right on the bus line. For a quarter you can take the (201? 202?) Fairfax connector the Franconia-Springfield metro, or in the other direction to the Van Dorn Metro. Very convient for me, as it drops me off a block and a half away from my apartment. Louis --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 2/10/2000 4:09:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dhallis@XXXXXX writes: > > << I'm another regular customer at CycleSport Springfield. > > Prices OK; workmanship excellent. I think they'll work on any make. Don't > know about Harley. > > Small shop, you can easily talk directly to the mechanics. >> > > I recommend them also. After all, I just bought my new bike from them. > They've been working on my bikes for the past couple years and always do a > good job. > > Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) > ===== Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA 1999: Capitol 1000; New England 1000; FitE V http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 10 23:15:41 2000 Return-Path: desc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22558 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from winnie (user-2ivel9j.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.85.51]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA15853 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:15:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005201bf7446$a8c3cc00$3355f7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Paint Job Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:15:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Thanks for all the anti Coleman replies :) I am gonna take my bike in Sat. to the bike shop in Springfield. Does anyone know of any detailers who could paint my skins black?? I have me crome decals but want my bike painted and sticker'ed by a pro. Thanks for any info. - Ryan From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 03:32:24 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA27474 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts007d40.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.237.100] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:32:05 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: heh - lots of stuff, was a good Digest for once Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 01:31:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bf746a$67a20510$64ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Ok, first off... Pants that fit a Vanson jacket (zippers) THERE AREN'T ANY. Vanson is completely unlike any other zipper out there. Thank God there are talor/seamstress shops everywhere that can, and will, sew on matching zippers for about $30. Find pants you like, and take that avenue. Coleman / Shop recomendations.. Hell, brining your bike to ME, in Phoenix, AZ will be cheaper in the long run than going to Colemans (if you factor in the rethreading of stripped screws, replacment of broken lost bolts, replacement of damaged covers/cosmetic pieces and piece of mind). Go somewhere else. If it's a bike on warenty, you're stuck with hitting a shop.. if you're not, find someone who can do the work to YOUR satasfaction (there are enough of us out here.. heck, I was doing work for beer this summer out there.. *grin* for consumption AFTER I was done). As for the front stand thingy... I use Pit Bull stands - front and rear. The front holds the bike (like Brian R's) by the stearing stem - as long as the rear is on the stand, it's not going anywhere.. ever. The rear (like Jay St. Peter mentioned) has a tendency to 'slide' on the swingarm (I've tried all sorts of things to get this to stop - nothing sucessful so-far). I've had/seen 3 LP stands dump bikes - I think they're cheaply built, expensize to buy, and not worth the scrap metal they're made of. (heh, hows THAT for an opinion!!) Torque / HP ratings.. If you want to compair bike to bike, make sure you find specs from different bikes used on the SAME DYNO!!! Different dynos will spit out different numbers - about all they're really good for is seeing what effect the change you made will have (and that's best run on the same day even - weather plays an important roll in the production of power). After 3 months of MMI - I'm so completely turned off on Dynos is isn't even funny. The only thing they provide is an ability to compair your bike to itself on the same day and the same dyno (and to other bikes on that same day and dyno).. whee, that's a lot of fun. Aftermarket Clip-ons? There are several companies out there - all offering different things. What do you want from the clip-ons? Cheap price? Infinate adjustability? Higher risers? More angle? Look into 'Barkers Bars' for cheap, lifetime replacment bars. Vortex, Two-Brothers, and Woodcraft for adjustability options. Gen-Mar, Heli-bars for more rise.. and there are probably a hundred other brands out there that I'm overlooking. And Finally.. for the event of the day, 'Soccar Moms' I sent her a personal reply mentioning something about vehicular manslaughter and if an undergarment or dinner was more important than someones life/health. I fully agree with everyone (but Don - his I just kinda laughed at - it was funny.. no offense man) else and their points. It's not the fact that you're driving a mini-van, SUV or 'vette - the fact that you're NOT paying attention to your suroundings - and the simple fact that you can, indeed, kill or maim someone without suffering much physical damage yourself. Ahh.. but I've no need to preach to the chior on this one... We all (almost) agree anyway. Now.. anyone know where I can find a cell-phone jammer small enough to install on my motorcycle? No, wait.. then they'll all be looking down to try and see what's going on/redial and wander across lanes into me. Shit.. maybe I should just build myself a plexi-glass box to live in for the rest of my life.. have food delivered - nothing can harm me in there, right? Bah.. Cheers all... hope you're enjoy the beautiful riding weather... er, wait - I'm sorry, I'm the only one with 70~80 degree days here.. ;) Now, where's the fully vented Vanson.... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 03:40:14 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA27574 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:40:13 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-70-253.s253.tnt11.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.70.253]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12JBc4-0001eG-00; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:39:40 -0500 To: "Burger, Donald" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article] Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:40:08 GMT Message-ID: <38a3f3e2.41471858@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:38:49 -0500, you wrote: |>All of you self righteous people amaze me . There are far worse = problems on |>the roads then soccer moms in minivans. =20 |> |>I guess everyone should just stop having kids (or at least stop driving= them |>anywhere) in order to make you happy and feel safe. Some people have = kids |>and you know what, when the kids are in a car, or a truck or a minivan = they I'm pretty sure you enforce rules on your children, i'm sure "sit still and quiet while daddy is driving" couldn't be that hard. It always bewilders me when people have to "get away" from the kids.. you shouldn't have to get away from your kids, you should enforce the rules and teach them to behave, not run from, or even accept their innapropriate behaivor.=20 Daniel I am not without sin so kick my soapbox :)=09 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 08:30:23 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02796 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:30:21 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA50604 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:14:49 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id IAA44226 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:29:01 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256882.004A0E80 ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:28:53 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256882.004A0C7B.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:28:47 -0500 Subject: Torque; Tank bags; misc ramblings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for the suggestions, everybody! I think I will take Chris' advice and get myself a copy of "Bike." If anyone is wondering what I'm up to... I'm just trying to educate a coworker. I think he has some misconceptions about a certain American brand of motorcycle. Ride whatever you like, I say, but there's no excuse for ignorance in this age of information. And Guzzis! Mmmmmm... I talked to a guy at Cycle Sport in Herndon yesterday about such things. They had one Guzzi (that I saw) on the floor; a Quota? One of those big Paris Dakar things. BUT he said they had a V11 Sport coming soon. Now there's a sexy bike, IMHO. The reason I went to Cycle Sport in the first place (besides needing a destination for my first moto ride since The Snow) was to see if they could get straps for a used tank bag that I bought. No such luck. It's an Eclipse bag, and is complete except for the means of attachment. I bought it from a second hand shop in Gaithersburg (my wife spotted it amongst the purses). The CS parts man gave me the toll-free # for Eclipse, but what do y'all think? Is there some cheap way that I could rig up some straps meself? I've never had a tank bag before, so I really don't know how they're supposed to attach. There is one plastic female "buckle" at the back, and two at the front. Any ideas? Thanks [again] in advance, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling Rob wrote... Looking at Moto Guzzi as a new ride :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 08:41:15 2000 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from web115.yahoomail.com (web115.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.88]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03042 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28900 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2000 13:41:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000211134101.28899.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.8.1] by web115.yahoomail.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 05:41:01 PST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 05:41:01 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Please place me on Digest mode To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please place me on Digest mode. Thanks, Herb Nomad98@XXXXXX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 09:07:54 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03739 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1WGP9MTK; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:07:32 -0500 Message-ID: <003801bf7499$6aa3c800$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Ryan Matteson" , Subject: Re: Paint Job Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:07:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 According to Brian Roach, try www.speedwerks.com. They are about to paint my tank and side panels. mark -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Matteson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:26 PM Subject: Paint Job >Thanks for all the anti Coleman replies :) I am gonna take my bike >in Sat. to the bike shop in Springfield. Does anyone know of any >detailers who could paint my skins black?? I have me crome decals >but want my bike painted and sticker'ed by a pro. > >Thanks for any info. > >- Ryan From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 09:34:23 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04176 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-8.patriot.net [209.249.181.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08700; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:34:18 -0500 Message-ID: <38A41D80.9C819C0@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:32:32 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rcrishoc@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Torque; Tank bags; misc ramblings References: <85256882.004A0C7B.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Part A - *certain* `Murican motorsickle brands, as in H-D. Gobs of lo-end torque, but not many ponies. My 1350cc had a whopping 52 hp before I started messing with it. Even lacking torque, any 500cc UJM will blow a Hawg into the weeds in a drag race. Part B - straps for the bag. Appalacian Outfitters in Oakton VA. They have every plastic clip thinger I've ever seem, and strap webbing in several sizes. Cart in the bag (got one like- samo problem) find the clips that match, add a yard or so of webbing, and learn to sew. Dental floss is good if you're light on thread selection. Bill rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks for the suggestions, everybody! I think I will take Chris' advice > and get myself a copy of "Bike." > > If anyone is wondering what I'm up to... I'm just trying to educate a > coworker. I think he has some misconceptions about a certain American > brand of motorcycle. Ride whatever you like, I say, but there's no excuse > for ignorance in this age of information. > > And Guzzis! Mmmmmm... I talked to a guy at Cycle Sport in Herndon > yesterday about such things. They had one Guzzi (that I saw) on the floor; > a Quota? One of those big Paris Dakar things. BUT he said they had a V11 > Sport coming soon. Now there's a sexy bike, IMHO. > > The reason I went to Cycle Sport in the first place (besides needing a > destination for my first moto ride since The Snow) was to see if they could > get straps for a used tank bag that I bought. No such luck. It's an > Eclipse bag, and is complete except for the means of attachment. I bought > it from a second hand shop in Gaithersburg (my wife spotted it amongst the > purses). > > The CS parts man gave me the toll-free # for Eclipse, but what do y'all > think? Is there some cheap way that I could rig up some straps meself? > I've never had a tank bag before, so I really don't know how they're > supposed to attach. There is one plastic female "buckle" at the back, and > two at the front. Any ideas? > > Thanks [again] in advance, > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ > Sterling From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 09:43:54 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04358 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1HZW1L9R>; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:43:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'rcrishoc@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Torque; Tank bags; misc ramblings Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:43:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Rich, You should be able to find clips that will match the ones on the bag in a camping supply store such as REI in Bailey's Crossroads. You'll also find "webbing" or straps which you can cut to length.* You buy it by the foot. The buckle in the back of the bag attaches under your seat, I believe, while the one(s) up front attach to a strap that goes around the steering head (usually). Chris Weaver '98 VTR * When you cut these, you might want to do so near a flame (lighter) or a hot stove heating coil etc. You can melt and cauterize the ends of the webbing so that the weave doesnt unravel itself. REI will cut webbing to your desired length for you with a "hot knife" if you prefer. > -----Original Message----- > From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX [SMTP:rcrishoc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 8:29 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Torque; Tank bags; misc ramblings > > > [Weaver, Chris] (snip) > The CS parts man gave me the toll-free # for Eclipse, but what do y'all > think? Is there some cheap way that I could rig up some straps meself? > I've never had a tank bag before, so I really don't know how they're > supposed to attach. There is one plastic female "buckle" at the back, and > two at the front. Any ideas? > > > Thanks [again] in advance, > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ > Sterling > > > Rob wrote... > Looking at Moto Guzzi as a new ride :) > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 10:08:08 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04985 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:08:07 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-70-253.s253.tnt11.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.70.253]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12JHfO-0003QS-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:07:30 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Soccer Mom article] Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 18:08:02 GMT Message-ID: <38a44fe6.65031636@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000210174728.A32766@bittwiddlers.com> In-Reply-To: <20000210174728.A32766@bittwiddlers.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:47:28 -0500, you wrote: |>: Anyone else have any good ideas for the soccer mom and dads here? |>: ;-) bike trailer!!! From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 10:08:11 2000 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04987 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA15591 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:03:32 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:08:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Tire Pressure Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hey All, I finally heard something interesting on the subject of tire pressure while at the NYC show, and thought I would share it with you all (re: long lost thread). According to a Bridgestone tire rep, the correct way to set street tire pressure is to fill the tire somewhere within the recommended spec, (making careful note of what pressure you have in) probably at the setting suggested by the bike manufacturer. Ride the bike as you usually do for at least 1 hour (if you usually ride with a passenger, ride with a passenger. If you usually ride in the twisties, ride in the twisties, etc). Check the pressures again. Pressure should rise by 10% in a fully warm tire. If it rises more than 10%, the tire is not filled enough to start with. If it rises less than 10%, you had too much air to start with. I have a few questions about this- it seems conceivable that the temperature of the tire itself could be different while the pressure inside was the same, based on different initial pressures (low pressure = hot tire = high warm air pressure). I tried to question the rep on this point, however, he assured me that it "didn't work that way". Anyway- I thought this sounded like quasi-scientific advice, but what do I know? YMMV (: Ned Wearing Flame Proof Garmets. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 10:48:22 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05640 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22618 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2000 15:48:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000211154817.22617.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:48:17 PST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:48:17 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Tire Pressure To: Ned Suesse , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've heard Metzelers rule is 2 lbs of pressure rise using this method. Leon. --- Ned Suesse wrote: > Hey All, > > I finally heard something interesting on the subject > of tire pressure > while at the NYC show, and thought I would share it > with you all (re: > long lost thread). > > According to a Bridgestone tire rep, the correct way > to set street > tire pressure is to fill the tire somewhere within > the recommended > spec, (making careful note of what pressure you have > in) probably at > the setting suggested by the bike manufacturer. Ride > the bike as you > usually do for at least 1 hour (if you usually ride > with a passenger, > ride with a passenger. If you usually ride in the > twisties, ride in > the twisties, etc). Check the pressures again. > Pressure should rise > by 10% in a fully warm tire. If it rises more than > 10%, the tire is > not filled enough to start with. If it rises less > than 10%, you had > too much air to start with. > > I have a few questions about this- it seems > conceivable that the > temperature of the tire itself could be different > while the pressure > inside was the same, based on different initial > pressures (low > pressure = hot tire = high warm air pressure). I > tried to question > the rep on this point, however, he assured me that > it "didn't work > that way". > > Anyway- I thought this sounded like quasi-scientific > advice, but what > do I know? YMMV (: > > Ned > > Wearing Flame Proof Garmets. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 10:55:23 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05753 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:55:21 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13842; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:47:48 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id KAA31812; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:55:13 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256882.0057727D ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:55:09 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: Bill Huson cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256882.00576A8D.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:54:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Torque; Tank bags; misc ramblings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Bill wrote... >>>>Even lacking torque, any 500cc UJM will blow a Hawg into the weeds in a drag race.<<<<<< Exactly my point. But that's not why folks buy Harleys, which is what I hope to impart to my friend. And this too: >>>>>Part B - straps for the bag. Appalacian Outfitters in Oakton VA. <<<<< Thanks! Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 10:58:44 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05827 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1HZW1MD0>; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:58:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: 2wf.com Lists MARRC Banquet News Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:58:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain 2wf.com has info about the Jan 15th MARRC awards banquet. Our own Collin gets his nod in the list of awardees. http://www.2wf.com/html/news/20000211MARRCAwards.shtml Chris Weaver '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 11:05:55 2000 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from crcst351.netaddress.usa.net (crcst351.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.96]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06009 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10595 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2000 16:05:41 -0000 Received: from wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.17) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2000 16:05:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 14865 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2000 16:05:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000211160540.14864.qmail@wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.17 by wwcst272 for [162.70.131.75] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Fri Feb 11 16:05:39 GMT 2000 Date: 11 Feb 00 11:05:39 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Moto-painting X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone asked about shops who paint bikes. I had my CBR painted in May o= f 98 by Oscar's Body shop in Falls Church. I did all the prep work and delive= red all the pieces (all 12 of them) to him for painting. He did a pretty goo= d job. I did the final assembly and polishing as the parts had to be on th= e bike to polish effectively and the rest of the bike was in another shop. = = It looked sweet, but that was several drops ago. I'll be fixing the plas= tic yet again and carting the pieces over to Oscar's yet again this year. An= d this time I'll fill the gas tank filler hole with something. It will loo= k sweet again. Oscar Roldan OSCAR'S BODY SHOP 1115 W. BROAD ST. FALLS CHURCH, VA 22043 (703) 527-7673 Oh, yeah, it helps if you speak spanish. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT name tbd 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 11:17:54 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06181 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:17:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:17:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200002111117.AA28049824@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Tire Pressure X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ned Suesse >Pressure should rise >by 10% in a fully warm tire. If it rises more than 10%, the tire is >not filled enough to start with. If it rises less than 10%, you had >too much air to start with. > >I have a few questions about this- it seems conceivable that the >temperature of the tire itself could be different different from what? >while the pressure >inside was the same, based on different initial pressures (low >pressure = hot tire = high warm air pressure). I tried to question >the rep on this point, however, he assured me that it "didn't work >that way". The tire heats up with use, heating the air in it, thus increasing the pressure of the air. PV=nRT for you physics folks. If the tire is working too much, then it will generate more heat than it should, and that will be shown in the greater than expected rise in pressure. The reverse would be true for a tire inflated to too high a pressure - it wouldn't work enough, and the resultant pressure would be too low. 10% rise is a good starting point, one that I've heard a lot. Leon's report of Metzeler specifying a 2lb. rise would mean about 5% based on a 40psi initial pressure. Racers on this list (Collin?) said the % rise varies a lot with tires - they had some race tires that should rise only about 4% (as I recall). For street tires, you should be able to compare the motorcycle manufacturer's specifications (owner's manual and/or sticker on the bike) with the tire manufacturer's specifications and get a narrow range of tire pressures to experiment with. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 12:35:31 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07533 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA20610; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:34:14 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.186.230]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000211173402.DZFQ10975@toddnt>; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:34:02 +0000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Ned Suesse" , Subject: RE: Tire Pressure Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:31:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001101bf74b5$d380a7f0$c9ac2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal This is an ok theory, but it will only be reliable in a controlled setting. Say the tire-pump, hour later, back to the pump and hope the ambient temp and barometric pressure is the same. YMMV, but I am comfortable leaving about 2lbs shy in the front/back when the tires are cold. When I load the bike I add 2lbs to the rear. That's it, no more worries, GO RIDE. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Ned Suesse [mailto:nsuesse@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 10:08 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Tire Pressure > > > Hey All, > > I finally heard something interesting on the subject of tire pressure > while at the NYC show, and thought I would share it with you all (re: > long lost thread). > > According to a Bridgestone tire rep, the correct way to set street > tire pressure is to fill the tire somewhere within the recommended > spec, (making careful note of what pressure you have in) probably at > the setting suggested by the bike manufacturer. Ride the bike as you > usually do for at least 1 hour (if you usually ride with a passenger, > ride with a passenger. If you usually ride in the twisties, ride in > the twisties, etc). Check the pressures again. Pressure should rise > by 10% in a fully warm tire. If it rises more than 10%, the tire is > not filled enough to start with. If it rises less than 10%, you had > too much air to start with. > > I have a few questions about this- it seems conceivable that the > temperature of the tire itself could be different while the pressure > inside was the same, based on different initial pressures (low > pressure = hot tire = high warm air pressure). I tried to question > the rep on this point, however, he assured me that it "didn't work > that way". > > Anyway- I thought this sounded like quasi-scientific advice, but what > do I know? YMMV (: > > Ned > > Wearing Flame Proof Garmets. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 12:45:45 2000 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web502.mail.yahoo.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07707 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18112 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2000 17:45:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000211174541.18111.qmail@web502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [136.242.149.58] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:45:41 PST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: heh - lots of stuff, was a good Digest for once To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Firstgear pants zip into Vanson jackets. Ask Craig J. and Tom T. --- Brian McCoy wrote: > Ok, first off... Pants that fit a Vanson jacket > (zippers) > > THERE AREN'T ANY. Vanson is completely unlike any > other zipper out there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 14:16:21 2000 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09245 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27735 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <1V5VHALD>; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:16:47 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D12C7@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Coleman: No, Cycle Sport Sprgfld: Yes Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:16:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Cycle Sport in Herndon has done OK by me. When I was restoring my Seca so I could pass VA safety inspection, the mechanic helped me by getting the pistons out of the front brakes. When I asked how much I owed him he just kind of looked at me funny with that nevermind kind of look. I think that bike shops run by bike enthusiasts can easily be distinguished from those in it just for the money. My business goes to his parts deparment even if I can get it cheaper in a magazine--besides I like immediate gratification when it comes to my bike. Also, when I bought my battery, the parts guy and service folks worked it so I could swap out the dry one I just bought off of the shelf for one that was ready on the charger. I pulled the old one, put in the new one, gave them the old battery, and rode. Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 19:38:57 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14559 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts009d22.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.237.178] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:38:50 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Something to say about Shops.. Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:38:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf74f1$74015d10$b2ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 We've been bashing Colemans for a long time.. and typically you hear praise (if a little spotty) about the little independent shops - run by enthusiasts, not the money mongers. That's to be expected (or should be). But you should hear the 'goals' of 90% of the students here at MMI... from the 'I'm going to own my own chain of shops in 5 years and be a millionare', to the 'I'm just here because I want to make money' - there are a few of us (me included) who are of the opinion that just going through the school is enough. If I never work in a shop afterwards, that's fine by me. I'll always work on motorcycles, probably helping frinds and at the race tracks local to myself... it's NOT about the money (I can make money working on computer networks.. LOTS more than working on motorcycles). The point? Find the enthusiast - and support them. I didn't mind paying up to 10% more for anything from my local shop (The Dirt Shop in College Park, MD) because they were right around the corner from me, always had the information I was looking for when I needed it, and often had the parts I needed in an emergency. Besides, some day it may be ME in that local shop, turning wrenchs because I love it - and I'll need to support/money from you rich money mongers.. ;) Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 11 22:28:01 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f133.hotmail.com [209.185.131.196]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA17296 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59254 invoked by uid 0); 12 Feb 2000 03:27:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000212032725.59253.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 165.247.85.232 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:27:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [165.247.85.232] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Something to say about Shops.. Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:27:25 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >The point? Find the enthusiast - and support them. I think there is really something to Brian's comment here. The mechanics at Cyclesport Springfield obviously enjoy motorcycles. One of the two guys who've been there for years has buildt and restored some really hot looking bikes. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 12 18:45:17 2000 Return-Path: rfeldman@XXXXXX Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08421 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:45:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16924 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from his.com (pm2a-90.his.com [216.200.82.90]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08087 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:45:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A5F558.99F10DEC@his.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:05:45 -0500 From: Richard Feldman Reply-To: rfeldman@XXXXXX Organization: Seahorse Racing/ Blue Turtle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Maryland dealers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey- I'm a new rider in MD. Bought my 2000 Kaw ZR7 at Free Sate Cycle. Got a good deal and some straight advice. What's the info about their mechanics and accessory shop. Any suggestions? I don't want to have to travel to VA for service. Thanks- Rick F From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 12 18:50:11 2000 Return-Path: rfeldman@XXXXXX Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08500 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04514 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from his.com (pm7a-30.his.com [216.200.82.30]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08887 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:50:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A5F6A3.3331217C@his.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:11:16 -0500 From: Richard Feldman Reply-To: rfeldman@XXXXXX Organization: Seahorse Racing/ Blue Turtle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: [Fwd: Maryland dealers] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Maryland dealers Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:05:45 -0500 From: Richard Feldman Reply-To: rfeldman@XXXXXX Organization: Seahorse Racing/ Blue Turtle To: dc-cycles Hey- I'm a new rider in MD. Bought my 2000 Kaw ZR7 at Free Sate Cycle. Got a good deal and some straight advice. What's the info about their mechanics and accessory shop. Any suggestions? I don't want to have to travel to VA for service. Thanks- Rick F From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 12 19:59:30 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09484 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:59:29 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.65.19b5f82 (3966) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:58:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65.19b5f82.25d75bcd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:58:53 EST Subject: Re: Something to say about Shops.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 In a message dated 2/11/00 10:33:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: > I think there is really something to Brian's comment here. The mechanics at > Cyclesport Springfield obviously enjoy motorcycles. One of the two guys > who've been there for years has buildt and restored some really hot looking > bikes. And another of their guys (parts guy... can never remember name) is a trials rider (That thing where you go through hell and back without putting your feet down). I've also seen some of the sales guys at the track as spectators at Summit - basically the whole shop is full of enthusiasts, and I bet that's one of the reasons you don't see people ever having problems with them. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 12 20:52:02 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10272 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 20:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-223.s223.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.223] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12JoB9-0002Vu-00; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 20:50:27 -0500 Message-ID: <04df01bf75c4$8b411000$df6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , , , Subject: BB's leathers Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 20:49:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Tom, Thanks for directing me to Barnicle Bill's Racing Leathers late last year. I just received my suit and it is great! The qualty, cut, fit and features are top notch. For the same price as an off the shelf decent suit, I got a custom-made suit along the quality lines of Dainese, Syed, Vanson, etc. Anyone looking into a full leather suit for racing or great protection on the streets check him out. Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX I am in no way sponsored by him or receive any compensation, just a really happy customer. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 12 22:39:32 2000 Return-Path: celticracing@XXXXXX Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12021 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXC4Ue8qcCxNhRSKY8Y7YFpB6QoD58KL6+Q=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EYN7NTVJ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:39:06 EST To: dthompso1@XXXXXX Cc: vfr-digest@XXXXXX, SV650-L@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, celticracing@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:35:33 -0500 Subject: Re: BB's leathers Message-ID: <20000212.223804.-314937.5.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,7-8,10-15,17-18,21,23-25,27-49,51-52,55,57-58 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Danny, That's terrific. I have never heard of anyone who wasn't delighted with their BB's. Plus, he's a great guy - one of a kind for sure! Stop by my pit at Summit. I hope to have my BB's by the first race in April. I was hoping to lose some more weight first......but.....it looks like Bill is just going to have to find a really *plump* cow! If anyone would like to see some of his handiwork, I now have some jpegs. Just let me know and I'll send them your way. Take Care, Tom Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS #806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/http://www.fastlanecycles.co m; *Atop the Box Web Pages - dave@XXXXXX ;*Level 5 Fabrication - bigal@XXXXXX; *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 20:49:17 -0500 "Danny Thompson" writes: > Tom, > Thanks for directing me to Barnicle Bill's Racing Leathers late last > year. I > just received my suit and it is great! The qualty, cut, fit and > features are > top notch. For the same price as an off the shelf decent suit, I got > a > custom-made suit along the quality lines of Dainese, Syed, Vanson, > etc. > Anyone looking into a full leather suit for racing or great > protection on > the streets check him out. Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - > barnacle@XXXXXX > I am in no way sponsored by him or receive any compensation, just a > really > happy customer. > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > Warrenton, VA > Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS #806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/http://www.fastlanecycles.co m; *Atop the Box Web Pages - dave@XXXXXX ;*Level 5 Fabrication - bigal@XXXXXX; *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 13 00:09:44 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13364 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 00:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 867 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2000 05:09:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000213050937.866.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:09:37 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:09:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Aftermarket Clip-ons To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sean, Take a look at Michael Ragsdales *Superbike Accessory Discounters* webiste... his prices are GREAT and INCLUDE shipping. He has Vortex clipons (very good) for $135 a set!! I have a spare used set, but they have some scuffs and are probably too large a diameter for you... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 13 00:12:36 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13442 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 00:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26541 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2000 05:12:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000213051233.26540.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:12:33 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:12:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: VTR tipover... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Todd, I think they said he was changing out the rotor completely... Even if it was just the pads, if the VTR is anything like the F# models, he would still have to pull the calipers, as they aren't designed for quick change like the suzukis are! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 13 00:43:28 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13883 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 00:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10242 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2000 05:43:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000213054318.10241.qmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:43:18 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:43:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Brake Stuff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOl.. you know me Brian (R. that is)..... I can't lurk for more than few days without posting ;-) You're thinking is intuitive, but the physics are wrong ;-) It doesn't matter which brake you press, the overall shift in the center of gravity will move forward. It's just more rapid with the front brake. (do a quick free body diagram and you'll see which way the moments work) The reason a lot of folks lock up the rear is that they don't understand the weight shift and don't realize that you have to use progressively less rear brake. That's why using it requires practice, practice, practice!! As Brian mentioned, I grew up riding dirt bikes and anything else I could get my hands on, so using the rear brake is second nature to me and I can't imagine not using it... that said, I wouldn't recommend an adult new to riding to go out and use it daily....get out in the dirt and learn the skills! Also as Brian mentioned, I love to steer with the rear tire on the race track. It does a couple of things for me. The first one is intimidation.. yes, intimidation... sliding in the triple digits intimidates some folks... I had one regular competitor who could somewhat keep up, but I know he's scared of sliding, so on the exit of a couple of turns I would snap the throttle a tad to get an extra wiggle out of the bike... Amazingly, by the next time around, my pit board would show that this particular person had pretty much disappeared behind me ;-) The other and more important reason is more or less what both brians mentioned. Using the rear entering the turn slips the rear out to the side some, and I instantly get back on the throttle to keep the tire sliding. The rear braking keeps the transmission and chain under constant tension, making for a very smooth transition into the turn. It also narrows the turning radius some as well as increasing ground clearance (because I am back on the throttle entering the turn) and taking some of the load off the front tire... OK.. ya'll are evil!!!! Get me all talking about racing and such.... then it hits me that the race season isn't coming till late April :( :( Grrrrr.... Now just where *did* I put those guns ;-) hehehe just kidding (had to say that for the humor impaired) Take care ya'll...hopefully the weather will be nice over the first week of March so I can have a ride or two when I'm in town over my spring break. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 13 01:30:23 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14604 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1276 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2000 06:30:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000213063019.1275.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:30:19 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:30:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re Kids To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL... while I agree on the subject that you should be paying attention to what you're doing and not running over people... I just had to mention how much I am ROTFLMAO at all the people posting who obviously have no children, nor been around them much... I have yet to see too many.. no scratch that.. ANY two year olds that you can strap into the car seat and tell them to sit there and behave/be quiet...My tactic is a little colder than soccer mom gixette's.. if the wife is in the car, I tell her to deal with it.. if it's just me and the kiddo, I tell him to hold his tators and find a reasonable place to stop before turning my attention to his needs... LOL.. and Daniele, when people say that they need to get away from their kids, it isn't always because of bad behavior, etc. With small children you have to constantly deal with the nonstop what/why/where/who's this...not even to mention when they are really little, waking up at all hours of the night for feedings and diaper changes... with older kids, there is always conflict between teenagers and parents to some extent... whether it be their poor taste of crappy music ;-), new body piercings, or tattoos, can I have money, can I have the car this friday, etc etc etc, YES, SOMETIMES YOU NEED A BREAK FROM YOUR KIDS!!!! There is nothing wrong with wanting to go out on a date with your wife once or twice a year without having a third (or more) bodies present!! I know that is totally off from what the original thread was (I hate moron drivers too....but isn't it funny how if someone is going slower than us they are a freakin idiot, but if they are going faster they are a maniac!! lol).. but I had to post my observation...not all kids are bad.. and some of us that do haul them around day to day can still drive somewhat decent :) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 13 01:49:06 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14823 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2009 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2000 06:49:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000213064903.2008.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:49:03 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:49:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: sbaccess url for those clipons To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oops, sorry Sean.. forgot to post the url for superbike accessories in my earlier post... Owner's name is Mike Ragsdale and the url is: http://sbaccess.com Collin (no ties or affiliation.. just know he's a good guy with good prices.. former VA resident too) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 13 02:33:15 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA16263 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 02:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0FPU00C01YACH4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 07:32:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0FPU00B4WYABFF@XXXXXX>; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 07:32:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id HAA16552; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 07:33:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.139.90]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000213073234.DTDD22989@toddnt>; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 07:32:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 02:29:45 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: VTR tipover... In-reply-to: <20000213051233.26540.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001501bf75f4$19bf7130$c9ac2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Ok, Ok, OK! I got it already. I made the mistake of reading something I thought was there instead of what is there. BTW, the pads should be as easy as the Su-suckies(grin) since Honda uses the near same pin out. Problem comes if you need to replace the spring too. Brain says its beuuteeful in Pheonix (f-him anyway ). Howzit up there in AA? Roads here are clear butt suck ass for speeding...oops...I mean careful application of physics on two-wheels ;) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [mailto:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 12:13 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: VTR tipover... > > > Todd, I think they said he was changing out the rotor completely... > > Even if it was just the pads, if the VTR is anything like the F# > models, he would still have to pull the calipers, as they aren't > designed for quick change like the suzukis are! > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 13 02:59:42 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16623 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 02:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16826 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2000 07:59:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000213075939.16825.qmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 23:59:39 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 23:59:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: VTR tipover... To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL... I was two days behind in the digest... The F3 and ups must be different... I helped with two seperate F2's and to get the pads out, the calipers had to come off :( moderate PITA when it's hot out at the track and you have too many other things to deal with... Yeah.. F Brian and his damn warm weather!! lol although I hear he had bike problems the other day and had to do a motor swap...big bummer there. It's still cold as ever here.. the roads are clear enough to ride, but with school literally just around the corner, all my bikes are in the shed (although I did do a parts run on the bandit the other day when it got up to 45 or so).... I just did the taxes this evening along witht he e-file thing... race season is now well funded ;-) (I seriously overpaid the gov't this year..I know i know...interest free loan to the government and all... just call it forced savings ;-)) Definitely jonesing (where the hell did that expression originate anyhow) for April 22-23 and the start of race season!!! Planning on being in town by the morning of the 26th and heading down to Richmond for the open house at MotoEuropa... but if I can't make that, I'll definitely be there by Sunday and plan on riding as much as weather allows over that week (except for a B-day party at chucky cheeses for the rugrat ;-)) See ya'll soon! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 13 11:18:12 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24219 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:18:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:18:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200002131118.AA123142554@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Le Park Subject: Re: Parking X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Le Park > I work at 19th and L (the same building as the >passport office) and now that the it will be March >soon I'm thinking about riding in. Anyone know a good >place to park a motorcycle? Before I was working in >Georgetown and there was a nice spot right under the >WhiteHurst Freeway. Anything like that near Dupont >Circle? Thanks. I got this faxed to me from the DC Dept. of Public Works, Transportation Systems Administration, 14 January 1997. Not sure how current they all are. Chris Norloff ********************************************************************** Parking Tips: 1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with rear wheel to the curb. 2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours posted. 3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on islands or sidewalks. 4. Park one motorcycle per stall. 5. Most parking is metered for 12 hours, at 25 cents per hour. 6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel to the curb. 800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces 800 block C St. SW -- 10 600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 600 block G St. NW --6 200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9 600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces 2000 block T St NW -- 10 1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10 1700 block M St. NW -- 31 1400 block G St. NW -- 14 2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces 1800 block H St NW -- 16 2200 block E St NW -- 9 Unit block G St NW -- 8 1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10 1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces 1500 block 19th St NW -- 7 1700 block G St NW -- 11 2200 block F St NW -- 6 1400 block M St NW -- 6 300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces 600 block E St NW -- 6 900 block 15th St NW -- 12 1800 block Eye St NW -- 9 1300 block K St NW -- 9 1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces 2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10 300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10 1800 block M St NW -- 24 1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5 3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces 2500 block 6th St NW -- 10 From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 13 15:49:05 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28272 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 15:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28605 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2000 20:48:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000213204858.28604.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:48:57 PST Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:48:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Brake Stuff To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think Fred intended his reply to go to the list as well as me...hence I haven't snipped any of it. I will add that I forgot to mention in my first post, that I do use it coming into turn one to help me brake as late as possible and attempt to minimize rear wheel hop.. although if you watch the video that I took out of my tail section, you can see that I still make it bounce a bit down in T1 ;-) As mentioned in the original article, I also use the brake to scrub off some escess speed if I have entered a turn a little bit hotter than I intended... And dad gummit.. that article gave away my secret to Leon's Circles!!! To get my best times through the circle course, I would ride the rear brake (and the clutch to keep rpms up). Doing this keeps the chain from lashing making it much easier to be smooth through the tight little circles. And keeping the rpm's up adds a lot to the gyroscopic stability of the bike through the course. :) CT --- Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 2/13/00 12:45:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, > gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: > > << As Brian mentioned, I grew up riding dirt bikes and anything else > I > could get my hands on, so using the rear brake is second nature to > me > and I can't imagine not using it... that said, I wouldn't recommend > an > adult new to riding to go out and use it daily....get out in the > dirt > and learn the skills! >> > > Collin has made my point succinctly. If one is very talented and > uses the > rear brake for the reasons stated by Collin (notice he never > mentioned it as > a means to slow the bike down) i.e. "intimidation" ( Doug Chandler > mentions > that he is scared to death of rear brake users in a sidebar of Kieth > Code's > Twist II) and to set his bike up for cornering purposes, great. But > if you > are less than very, very talented it's a good idea to race MX a few > years > before making the rear brake a habit on the street. > > One point on locking the rear that is sometimes missed is that the > gyroscopic > effect of the spinning rear wheel provides quite a bit of stability > to the > bike from the steering head back (particularly at high speeds where > the > effect is the greatest). Once you lock the rear this effect goes > away > contributing to the factors which cause a bike to go down. > > Ciao, > > Fred > ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 13 22:10:07 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA04524 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts015d28.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.238.232] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:09:56 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 20:09:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bf7698$f3338650$e8ee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a wonderfully thought out reply to a private e-mail I sent (sic). Please, let us all join together, send mass e-mails to this terribly ignorant lady who seems to think that she has earned the right to drive poorly just because she can drop out a couple babies... Please drive responsibly, and if you can't do that - well, at least don't post your ignorance to the net. I mean, I'm not going to take the time to write a normal letter to bash you into the ground.. *grin* but e-mail's quick, easy and all to fun to flame with. Brian McCoy -----Original Message----- From: gixette [mailto:gixette@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 6:40 PM To: Brian McCoy Subject: Re: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article Hi Brian, in case you are interested in my response. It's kinda long. I think that Dave Despain's article had 2 things objectionable about it: 1. He implied quite strongly that mothers take pleasure in controlling and restricting the free choices of their sons. That mothers are inherently terrible drivers, and that they don't want to let their sons improve their driving.; How stupid and sexist is this? Of all of the crappy, inattentive drivers out there, why is he singling out soccer moms? He wants to make a point, in the snidest way possible, that if mothers encouraged their kids to ride motorcycles, then those kids would not drive as stupidly as their mothers do. First, the consequent of that clause (the then part) is false. Whether you become a reponsible motorcyclist has a lot to do with the way you are raised and the values you are given (typically, by your MOTHER). Throwing a kid on a motorcycle doesn't mean shit. Second, accusing mothers of being shitty drivers because they are mothers and blaming them for preventing their kids from being good drivers is really insulting (besides being false). If you think I've read too much into his article, then I recommend that you read it again. It is all there, under the covers. 2. The other thing objectionable about it is the idea that soccer moms who drive inattentively are in the same (or worse) category as the makeup ladies and the cell phone users. He purposely singled the moms out and villified them. I'm going to give you two examples of what I'm trying to say here that may help: Suppose there is a terrible war, and our young men (and some women) come home from having fought valiantly and hard for us, under the standard terrible conditions of war, in some cases incurring wounds physical and mental. And suppose that a group of them is out celebrating one night, drunk as skunks, driving around crazily. What do we say abou them? If they hurt someone, we say they are wrong and should be punished. But if they don't hurt us or anyone, just drive poorly and we have to avoid them carefully, we kind of shrug our shoulders and say, well, those guys have been through hell. Give em a break. And we don't call the cops on them (unless they run you down, of course). Similarly, if your college alma mater wins the NCAA and the team is out celebrating and gets a little drunk and drives around inattentively, well, as long as they don't hurt anyone, we give em a break. I would argue that Soccer Moms are in the combat soldier category. No excuse for hurting you, but our toleration of their inattentiveness compared to our toleration of the makeup bimbo and cell phone guy's inattentiveness is at a different level. Despain was wrong to lump them all together, and I think it was cruel to ignore the importance of what soccer moms are doing with their lives. Do you see what I'm getting at? If you'd like me to defend this, I could go on at length :-) > Sorry, but I suspect a Human Life is just a little more important than what > activity you have planned for cub scouts, or the article of clothing you > need for a X-mas party. Don't you agree? The running of a family is of the greatest importance and brings the highest good to society. The running of the family, in the most practical terms, comes down to these kind of thoughts while you are soccer momming through the day. Gixette/BadKiti ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I looked there; I went there. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 14 07:33:44 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14635 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:33:42 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA33866 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:18:04 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id HAA28878 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:32:22 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256885.0044DE60 ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:32:13 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256885.0044DC42.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:32:06 -0500 Subject: RE: Cycle Sport Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Michael Jay wrote... >>>Cycle Sport in Herndon has done OK by me.<<<< And I have to agree. They have treated me well. I bought a pair of progressive rear shocks from a place in Ohio that does olde British stuff. The problem was that the springs came in a seperate box, and I don't have a shock spring compressor. I took everything up to Cycle Sport, and got the same treatment as Mike. When asked, "how much?" the guy just gave me that "fuggedaboudit" look. I think someday I should buy something from them. :) Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 14 11:25:37 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19394 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12KOIK-0007AQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:24:16 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:24:52 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Automatic 4WD/RV destroyer (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Saw this on the KZ/GPz list and though it was pretty funny. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Back in the days of my youth, before everyone carried a friggin gun around in their cars and had road rage, I carried a small disposable air horn and when somebody cut me off, I'd catch up to them at the stop light, knock on their window or honk my horn, then point to their rear tire as if they had a flat, when they opened their window to look, I'd let a ear piercing blast out at them. Next time they would think twice about cutting off a motorcyclist. This all worked great until the horn button got stuck one day and it wouldn't turn off (with a full can of air), so I threw it in the guys back seat (he was the only one in the car) and took off, it was so neat to watch him alternately grab his ears and then try and reach back and find the air horn.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 14 13:32:07 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21750 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1XVJGTNA; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:31:18 -0500 Message-ID: <010e01bf7719$bc66ba80$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Request: Sport Touring Accessories Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:31:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Anyone have the www address? thx From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 14 13:52:26 2000 Return-Path: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22103 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:52:24 -0500 (EST) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.24.138a229 (4247) for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:51:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <24.138a229.25d9a8bd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:51:41 EST Subject: FBI AUCTIONS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Happy Valentine's Day all, I was wondering if anyone had any information on the FBI AUCTIONS or any other auctions were I could find good sports bikes? Where are they, when are they, what do I need to do to acquire information on them? Thanks. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 14 13:56:49 2000 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22116 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (user60.anent.com [208.195.115.60]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00804; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:56:04 -0500 Message-ID: <001301bf771d$14885860$3c73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" References: <010e01bf7719$bc66ba80$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Subject: Re: Request: Sport Touring Accessories Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:55:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 http://www.sporttouringusa.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:31 PM Subject: Request: Sport Touring Accessories > Anyone have the www address? thx From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 14 16:56:03 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25143 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-109-30.s30.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.30] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12KTRe-00018c-00; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:54:14 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01bf7735$da0b2a00$1e6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , , , Subject: AGV boot sizing Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:52:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Does anyone have any experience with AGV boot sizing? I wear an 11.5 U.S (46 European), but AGV 585's only come in 11's or 12's. Should I go up or down? Thanks in advance. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 14 16:58:34 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25237 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:58:32 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id o.9e.1264fb1 (4339); Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:57:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9e.1264fb1.25d9d446@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:57:26 EST Subject: Re: BB's leathers To: celticracing@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 In a message dated 2/12/00 10:41:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, celticracing@XXXXXX writes: > Stop by my pit at Summit. I hope to have my BB's by the first race in > April. I was hoping to lose some more weight first......but.....it looks > like Bill is just going to have to find a really *plump* cow! Look at the bright side Tom... it's easier to take leather away than it is to add it later... :) As an additional Note, I had BB put my name on the back of both sets of my racing leathers at Road Atlanta last year... he did an excellent job (even though they weren't his leathers) and the price was *very* reasonable. Overnight service to boot! - Bri From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 14 17:09:42 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25403 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1XVJGTRS; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:09:33 -0500 Message-ID: <021301bf7738$39aa4fc0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Dainese Leathers Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:09:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Does anyone have experience with Dainese leathers, specifically pants Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 14 18:53:04 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27115 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-11.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.75]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29336; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:52:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A894DE.D61D82C3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:50:54 -0500 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Thompson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AGV boot sizing References: <005f01bf7735$da0b2a00$1e6daccf@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Danny, My advice would be to get in touch with AGV and see which size corresponds to your European size. Since AGV is a European manufacturer, in all likelihood their primary sizing is European and they just convert to US sizing. I know that the inside of my Alpinestars boots are marked size 42 on the inside even though their sold/marketed using US sizing. I generally wear a size 9, but am all over the map size 8 to 9-1/2 with all my different shoes (athletic, dress, casual, loafers, etc.) and find that European sizing tends to be a lot more accurate than US sizing. I originally ordered size 9 for my Alpinestars and they were too big. End up getting size 8s. If I had known they were European sized to begin with, I would've ordered size 42! Cheers, Chuck Danny Thompson wrote: > > Does anyone have any experience with AGV boot sizing? I wear an 11.5 U.S (46 > European), but AGV 585's only come in 11's or 12's. Should I go up or down? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 14 19:48:27 2000 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA28021 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:48:26 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id n.db.1377d61 (7941); Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:46:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:46:28 EST Subject: Re: AGV boot sizing To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX, SV650-L@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX, ex500@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 In a message dated 2/14/2000 4:59:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: << Does anyone have any experience with AGV boot sizing? I wear an 11.5 U.S (46 European), but AGV 585's only come in 11's or 12's. Should I go up or down? Thanks in advance. Danny >> My limited experience is a size down fits better than a size up. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 14 20:52:19 2000 Return-Path: msalome@XXXXXX Received: from m3.boston.juno.com (m3.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.198]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA29083 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:52:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"5wUPyhhZU+qYa7mHaQXeLOxkDiIxTebK21b1rwULNkH3uYROOrdz2w=="> Received: (from msalome@XXXXXX) by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EYT58ME9; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:50:04 EST To: dthompso1@XXXXXX Cc: vfr-digest@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX, ex500@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:45:23 -0500 Subject: Re: AGV boot sizing Message-ID: <20000214.204812.3390.1.msalome@juno.com> References: <005f01bf7735$da0b2a00$1e6daccf@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4,6,8-10,12-25 From: Michael A Salome Go up to the 12 and get some Dr. Scholl's padded inserts. You can cut them to fit, and they make street boots _much_ more comfortable. Well worth the $5.00 & 5 minutes it takes to do it. -- Mike Salome DoD #7863 Raleigh, NC '93 VFR msalome@XXXXXX On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:52:53 -0500 "Danny Thompson" writes: >Does anyone have any experience with AGV boot sizing? I wear an 11.5 >U.S (46 >European), but AGV 585's only come in 11's or 12's. Should I go up or >down? >Thanks in advance. >Danny >'99 VFR >'99 SV >Warrenton, VA > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ >for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 02:08:40 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA04913 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts015d19.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.238.223] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 23:08:30 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Interesting oil info.. Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:08:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bf7783$794a5940$dfee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I got into a flame war about oils on a local AZ list - ended up sending a msg. to Mobil 1 about the differences between MC specific oils, and normal oils. The following is what was returned to me. (FYI: the argument was about Mobil 1 15w50 causing clutch slippage - from the info below, it appears as if there shouldn't be any friction difference between the two - just oil sheer strength). Cheers, Brian Mccoy -----Original Message----- From: mobil@XXXXXX [mailto:mobil@XXXXXX] Subject: Re: Contact Us - Lubes - Mobil Products - Mobil Technical Data Thank you for contacting Mobil. The full synthetic base stock technology we use in Mobil 1 products allows us to limit or eliminate (depending on the viscosity grade) the use of polymers known as viscosity index improvers. These polymers help conventional oils meet the requirements of multi-grade oils. So they are good for low temperature/high temperature performance balance for conventional oils. Unfortunately, they are also less shear stable than oil. So at high temperatures and/or high localized pressures, the polymers tend to break down, resulting in loss of viscosity of the oil. Since Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils use little or no viscosity index improvers, they are inherently more shear stable than oils with VI improvers. If you have any additional questions, you may contact us at our E-mail address: lubes@XXXXXX or by phone at 1-800-ASKMOBIL. Customer Relations E-mail wrote: > > Request/Comments: > I'd like to know the specific differences between your Mobil 1 15w50 car oils, > and your motorcycle specific oils. Is it a change in additives (more zinc for > better sheer strenght), different additives, or a lack of additives found in the > car oils. > > Thanks for your time. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 09:28:27 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03041 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07585 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com ([208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10374 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9]) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.0 Build 2119 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA00975 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:47:53 -0500 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <19LPHTZ9>; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:27:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Honda Hoot Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:27:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Has anyone ever been to the Honda Sport touring Association's, Honda Hoot? I got a brochure in the mail and it looks really cool but I'd like to get some real opinions. Richard Westbrook 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 09:47:33 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03409 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07697 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA11317 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1XVJGTVT; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:47:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01bf77c3$a9abcd40$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Westbrook, Richard" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Honda Hoot Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:47:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 I went 2 years ago, at the beginning of a cross country trip. It was ok, and only ok. I never made a demo ride, since you had to get there at 6AM or something. I missed the sportbike ride, which was great since there were a few accidents (100+ riders isn't my cuppa tea). The vendors were fine, but all that effort for a bunch of vendors? I did meet some great people, but the event is weighted towards the Goldwing crowd. The joy of that event is the drive there (via the Blue Ridge Parkway). Instead of going to the Hoot, perhaps some listers would like to take a 3-4 day ride in that part of the country. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Westbrook, Richard To: 'DC-Cycles' Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:41 AM Subject: Honda Hoot >Has anyone ever been to the Honda Sport touring Association's, Honda Hoot? > >I got a brochure in the mail and it looks really cool but I'd like to get >some real opinions. > >Richard Westbrook >95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 10:19:33 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03905 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07892 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from defender.fda.gov (defender.fda.gov [198.77.181.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA13609 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from CVAX3.CDRH.FDA.GOV by defender.fda.gov via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 15 Feb 2000 15:19:24 UT Received: from drm555.cdrh.fda.gov (EXCHANGE.CDRH.FDA.GOV [150.148.36.235]) by CVAX3.CDRH.FDA.GOV (PMDF V5.2-31 #35436) with ESMTP id <01JLXLMG2W1M9BVHF8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:19:19 EST Received: by EXCHANGE.CDRH.FDA.GOV with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1FQWX590>; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:19:55 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:17:28 -0500 From: "Monahan, John C." Subject: RE: Honda Hoot To: "'Westbrook, Richard'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain Richard, I just wanted to clarify that the Honda Sport Touring Association (HSTA) has nothing to do with the Honda Hoot. The Hoot is put on by Honda and from what I have heard Mark is correct. It is more for the Gold Wing crowd and there is very little of interest for those into sport bikes. The vendors are just that and can be found at any major gathering of bikes. On a separate note, the national HSTA Annual gathering will be in Avon, Colorado June 25 to 29 this year. If anyone is interested in the HSTA especially the Maryland group checkout www.solo.net/~HSTA. Jack Monahan Co-Director MD HSTA > -----Original Message----- > From: Westbrook, Richard [SMTP:RWestbrook@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:27 AM > To: 'DC-Cycles' > Subject: Honda Hoot > > Has anyone ever been to the Honda Sport touring Association's, Honda Hoot? > > > I got a brochure in the mail and it looks really cool but I'd like to get > some real opinions. > > Richard Westbrook > 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 10:48:26 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04347 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1XVJGTWW; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:48:20 -0500 Message-ID: <002501bf77cc$232934c0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: "Brian Walker" , "David Forbes" Subject: AIDs Ride Motorcyclist Volunteers Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:48:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Listers: I am in contact with the DC AIDs ride to serve as a motorcycle crew member. Essentially, we will clear the way for the bicylce riders, much like in the Tour De France. The ride is June 22-25. It starts in Raleigh, NC and you need to be there on Wed, June 21st. You must register as a crew member ($45) but you do not need to raise money like the riders do (although that would be great). I am taking names of persons interested, so please email me if you are. I won't know any more details for about a week. It would be great to have a contingent of DC Cycles there. Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 11:17:21 2000 Return-Path: redbelly@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04830 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.49.200]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA5107698; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:17:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A97BAB.96F7104F@boo.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:15:39 -0500 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gixette@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Subject: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I though you where kidding. Next thing you will be condoning is a MOTHER beating her child if she had a bad day. Where do you find the time to write these long E-mails when you are fighting the war to raise kids. I have been in the car with 8 soccer kids and a Mom (a great Mom)if traffic was getting busy she asked them to calm down for a minute, I doubt they will be ax murders now. If I had a dime for evey mini van or SUV that cut me of I could pay some one to teach you to pay attrntion to traffic around you. Jay I looked there; got cut off by you and went aroud you. PS, Please don't take out the anger you have for me on your children. From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 20:09:47 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a wonderfully thought out reply to a private e-mail I sent (sic). Please, let us all join together, send mass e-mails to this terribly ignorant lady who seems to think that she has earned the right to drive poorly just because she can drop out a couple babies... Please drive responsibly, and if you can't do that - well, at least don't post your ignorance to the net. I mean, I'm not going to take the time to write a normal letter to bash you into the ground.. *grin* but e-mail's quick, easy and all to fun to flame with. Brian McCoy -----Original Message----- From: gixette [mailto:gixette@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 6:40 PM To: Brian McCoy Subject: Re: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article Hi Brian, in case you are interested in my response. It's kinda long. I think that Dave Despain's article had 2 things objectionable about it: 1. He implied quite strongly that mothers take pleasure in controlling and restricting the free choices of their sons. That mothers are inherently terrible drivers, and that they don't want to let their sons improve their driving.; How stupid and sexist is this? Of all of the crappy, inattentive drivers out there, why is he singling out soccer moms? He wants to make a point, in the snidest way possible, that if mothers encouraged their kids to ride motorcycles, then those kids would not drive as stupidly as their mothers do. First, the consequent of that clause (the then part) is false. Whether you become a reponsible motorcyclist has a lot to do with the way you are raised and the values you are given (typically, by your MOTHER). Throwing a kid on a motorcycle doesn't mean shit. Second, accusing mothers of being shitty drivers because they are mothers and blaming them for preventing their kids from being good drivers is really insulting (besides being false). If you think I've read too much into his article, then I recommend that you read it again. It is all there, under the covers. 2. The other thing objectionable about it is the idea that soccer moms who drive inattentively are in the same (or worse) category as the makeup ladies and the cell phone users. He purposely singled the moms out and villified them. I'm going to give you two examples of what I'm trying to say here that may help: Suppose there is a terrible war, and our young men (and some women) come home from having fought valiantly and hard for us, under the standard terrible conditions of war, in some cases incurring wounds physical and mental. And suppose that a group of them is out celebrating one night, drunk as skunks, driving around crazily. What do we say abou them? If they hurt someone, we say they are wrong and should be punished. But if they don't hurt us or anyone, just drive poorly and we have to avoid them carefully, we kind of shrug our shoulders and say, well, those guys have been through hell. Give em a break. And we don't call the cops on them (unless they run you down, of course). Similarly, if your college alma mater wins the NCAA and the team is out celebrating and gets a little drunk and drives around inattentively, well, as long as they don't hurt anyone, we give em a break. I would argue that Soccer Moms are in the combat soldier category. No excuse for hurting you, but our toleration of their inattentiveness compared to our toleration of the makeup bimbo and cell phone guy's inattentiveness is at a different level. Despain was wrong to lump them all together, and I think it was cruel to ignore the importance of what soccer moms are doing with their lives. Do you see what I'm getting at? If you'd like me to defend this, I could go on at length :-) > Sorry, but I suspect a Human Life is just a little more important than what > activity you have planned for cub scouts, or the article of clothing you > need for a X-mas party. Don't you agree? The running of a family is of the greatest importance and brings the highest good to society. The running of the family, in the most practical terms, comes down to these kind of thoughts while you are soccer momming through the day. Gixette/BadKiti ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I looked there; I went there. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 14:19:15 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (fb01.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08061 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va26-26.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.154]) by fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09241; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:18:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A9C9D0.9DF67DA1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:49:04 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: AIDs Ride Motorcyclist Volunteers References: <002501bf77cc$232934c0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, This is a great cause and I'm sure it will be a lot of fun. I have a number of friends who have participated in previous AIDS Rides and will do so again this year. Unfortunately, I will be out of town on business so won't be available to help out. Cheers, Chuck Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Listers: > > I am in contact with the DC AIDs ride to serve as a motorcycle crew member. > Essentially, we will clear the way for the bicylce riders, much like in the > Tour De France. > > The ride is June 22-25. It starts in Raleigh, NC and you need to be there > on Wed, June 21st. > > You must register as a crew member ($45) but you do not need to raise money > like the riders do (although that would be great). > > I am taking names of persons interested, so please email me if you are. I > won't know any more details for about a week. It would be great to have a > contingent of DC Cycles there. > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 16:48:24 2000 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10570 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21943 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2000 21:48:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000215214819.21942.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.111.76] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:48:19 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:48:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: AIDs Ride Motorcyclist Volunteers To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Listers: > > I am in contact with the DC AIDs ride to serve as a motorcycle crew member. > Essentially, we will clear the way for the bicylce riders, much like in the > Tour De France. I've done the AIDS Ride as a MC Escort for the past three years. It is a great cause, and a lot of fun. Just a clarification... you don't clear the route like the Tour De France exactly... the roads are not closed down. The MC crew watches to protect the safety of the bicycles, and try to help control traffic, but legally we can't tell the cars what to do. (I had a talk with a police officer during the ride about this) We also carry first aid kits in case people get minor injuries (there are mobile medics for the stuff that more than a simple cut or bruise). If the road signs aren't clear we may direct the bikes to make sure they don't miss a turn, (I once chased after 2 guys who went 5 miles off the route... boy were they pissed!) and other things like that to try to help the ride to go more smoothly. I think the most important job though is providing support. Whenever I was stopped and directing traffic, or watching an intersection, I would always cheer on the bicyclists. At the closing events, they have come up and thanked the entire MC crew for being there and encouraging them on. It is a really great feeling. After doing this three years in a row, I think I will be taking a break this year. If anyone wants to know about what it's like doing the escort though, please feel free to ask. If you have done bicycle marshalling... this isn't exactly it. (it has caught some people by surprise before). > I am taking names of persons interested, so please email me if you are. I > won't know any more details for about a week. It would be great to have a > contingent of DC Cycles there. There have been several DC-Cycle riders who were involved in the past 4 years of the ride. I hope you get a bunch more. For all of you who will participate this year: Good luck and have fun!! Louis DC AIDS Ride '97 '98 '99 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 16:48:47 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10573 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22999 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2000 21:48:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000215214839.22998.qmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:48:39 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:48:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Aids ride escorts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all, the ride is for a good cause and all, but every year I post a reminder to check with your insurance company to make sure that you are covered in the off chance something happens. In the fine print of a lot of policies, they specifically exclude such events. I know the speeds are pretty slow for the most part, but Murphy is always hanging around, and shit happens... would hate for any of my DCC buds/budettes getting hurt, then finding out that their insurance is going to let them down... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 17:18:22 2000 Return-Path: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX Received: from indus.house.gov (indus.house.gov [143.231.86.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11125 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims01.HOUSE.GOV (hrmims01.house.gov [143.231.32.157]) by indus.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01904 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims01.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1V00D8GN>; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:17:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike check Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:17:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Does anybody here ride a Honda VFR or a Suzuki TL1000R out here? If so, let me know what year. I have one of each and I need to decide which one to keep -- it's a brutal game but it may be time to actually buy a car (ughh)... Also, can I get a head count on those folks who are professionals on Cap Hill (or K Street)? I have a friend in the Gov't Relations office at the AMA who's interested in organizing some activities. Seth From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 17:55:02 2000 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11742 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:55:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from michaeljackson ([63.80.246.6]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00684 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:54:17 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01bf7808$3b3d2e40$06f6503f@spectrumcomputers.com> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: Subject: Re: bike check Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:54:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I vote to keep the VFR! Bruce '98 VFR800 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haring, Seth" > Does anybody here ride a Honda VFR or a Suzuki TL1000R out here? If so, let > me know what year. I have one of each and I need to decide which one to > keep -- it's a brutal game but it may be time to actually buy a car > (ughh)... > > Also, can I get a head count on those folks who are professionals on Cap > Hill (or K Street)? I have a friend in the Gov't Relations office at the > AMA who's interested in organizing some activities. > > Seth From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 19:22:08 2000 Return-Path: blister55@XXXXXX Received: from web3203.mail.yahoo.com (web3203.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.200]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA13263 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:22:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000216002135.6378.qmail@web3203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.254.189.170] by web3203.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:21:35 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:21:35 -0800 (PST) From: JEM Racing Subject: Re: Interesting oil info/ car oil doesn't cut it To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: SV650@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A ahem . . . I know I might, with 20-20 hindsight, sound like a dufus for trying this, but I have been running Exxon 10w-40 in my SV, not only for putting round town, but for racing too. I figured all those techno-weenies with their techno babble were full of S. Ol is Ol, I said. I changed it after every race weekend, but it came out like water. When the motor was torn down this winter it showed the effects of 10,000 rpms on oil designed for half that. It was prematurly aged for a motor with only 700 or so miles on it, 450 of them very gentle break in miles. So my uh, cynical attitude towards the marketing hype was apparently wrong. Car oil cant hack it. I don't know how different Exxon SuperFlo is from Castrol GTX or Mobil, but the fact that they are all car oils will keep me from using them. No need for a oil thread here which will quickly degenerate into an oil war, but suffice it to say that high quality motorcycle oils are probably worth it, even if you change the cheap stuff often. I called ELF because of what I found in the motor. ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #500 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 19:23:19 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA13273 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts016d25.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.235.37] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:23:09 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: Bike Check Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:22:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bf7813$e21a9d50$62ee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal VFRs suck... can't even get out of their own way. But, I remember it was the VFR that towed the TL rider when the TL gave up the ghost 200+ miles from home. Brian McCoy - 86/87 VFR750/F2/RC30/custom special... :P From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 20:13:05 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA14158 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27032 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2000 01:12:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000216011259.27031.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:12:59 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:12:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: bike check To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL.. you would suggest a Hondapotamus Bruce!! hehehe Just kidding man.. Would be nice to keep both bikes I am sure, but if one must go, what you really need to do is sit down and think about what kind of riding you do the most and which bike will fit those needs. As much as it pains me to be praising a honda again, the VFR is definitely a very good "do everything" sort of bike. They are comfortable for the longer trips. And when you want to go fast, well, other than a bit soft suspension (compared to the TL) they are extremely capable at that too! I'm a suzuki rider (GSXR 750 and Bandit400) so I tend toward them.. hehehe but if you're looking at only having one bike...the VFR may be the way to go.. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 21:04:41 2000 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA14948 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4871 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2000 02:04:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000216020432.4870.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.111.19] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:04:32 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:04:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Aids ride escorts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I checked with Progressive, you are covered. If they say you are not, let me know, I have a quote from one of the top officials saying that they support activities such as this and that they will cover it. People with other companies may want to check with theirs. Good advice Collin! Louis --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > Hey all, the ride is for a good cause and all, but every year I post a > reminder to check with your insurance company to make sure that you are > covered in the off chance something happens. > In the fine print of a lot of policies, they specifically exclude such > events. > I know the speeds are pretty slow for the most part, but Murphy is > always hanging around, and shit happens... would hate for any of my DCC > buds/budettes getting hurt, then finding out that their insurance is > going to let them down... > > Collin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 22:27:20 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (fb02.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16247 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va22-33.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.161]) by fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19257 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:27:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38AA188F.9F461903@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:25:03 -0500 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: bike check References: <003b01bf7808$3b3d2e40$06f6503f@spectrumcomputers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Decisions, decisions. VFR or TLR? I admit to owning neither. But I think both are cool m/c's (for different reasons). I guess I'd vote for keeping the TLR just because (compared to the VFR) they aren't as common and a bit of a nutter. And I have to admit that I have a soft spot for V-twins and kinda like the quirky looks of the TLR. Chuck '93 GSXR 750 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Haring, Seth" > > > Does anybody here ride a Honda VFR or a Suzuki TL1000R out here? If so, > let > > me know what year. I have one of each and I need to decide which one to > > keep -- it's a brutal game but it may be time to actually buy a car > > (ughh)... -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 22:46:02 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16844 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va22-33.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.161]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03715 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:45:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38AA1CF5.770FEADE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:43:49 -0500 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: bike check References: <003b01bf7808$3b3d2e40$06f6503f@spectrumcomputers.com> <38AA188F.9F461903@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW, how much are you going to sell the TLR for??? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 15 22:50:24 2000 Return-Path: rfeldman@XXXXXX Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16929 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16223 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from his.com (pm7a-8.his.com [216.200.82.8]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15806 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:50:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38AA1C25.71CD56B0@his.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:40:22 -0500 From: Richard Feldman Reply-To: rfeldman@XXXXXX Organization: Seahorse Racing/ Blue Turtle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Rallies and things Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Two questions: Has anyone been to the Americade or Laconia rally? If so what is it like? Is it worth the trip? Also does anyone have experience with the service dept. at Free State Cycle in MD? I'm trying to decide if I'll go there for repairs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 08:18:36 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26991 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:18:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:18:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200002160818.AA254673456@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Fix my gravel drive? X-Mailer: Now that enough snow has melted that I can actually get a motorcycle down the driveway to the backyard garage, I've been riding on my new gravel driveway. Unfortunately, it seems that rather than bringing crusher-run gravel, the contractor brought larger, more uniform gravel. The result is an unstable surface for riding a 2-wheeler -- I can negotiate it but it's not comfortable, and I'm leaving 2-3 in. deep troughs from the wheels. This is mostly in the area right in front of the garage - the gravel closer to the original blacktop driveway is more firm. So, what to do now? 1. With time it will probably compress down. 2. I could rake a bunch of the gravel out to one side (where I want it eventually anyway) and see if the remaining thickness of gravel is more stable. 3. I could order more crusher-run and put it on top, if it might 'solidify' the driving-on-surface. 4. I could order very small gravel and put that down, thinking it will infiltrate the existing gravel and stabilize it. your thoughts? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 08:29:20 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27293 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05679; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:29:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:29:14 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Chris Norloff cc: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Fix my gravel drive? In-Reply-To: <200002160818.AA254673456@piglet.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Chris Norloff wrote: > 1. With time it will probably compress down. Nope. > 2. I could rake a bunch of the gravel out to one side (where I want it > eventually anyway) and see if the remaining thickness of gravel is > more stable. Eh, why? Just curious. > 3. I could order more crusher-run and put it on top, if it might > 'solidify' the driving-on-surface. Nope. That would be a REAL mess. > 4. I could order very small gravel and put that down, thinking it will > infiltrate the existing gravel and stabilize it. Right thinking, wrong material. The stuff you want is "flow-ash". How long is the driveway? -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 08:30:07 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27375 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:30:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:30:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200002160830.AA106955424@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: dc-cycles , Subject: Re: Rallies and things X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Richard Feldman >Two questions: Has anyone been to the Americade or Laconia rally? If so >what is it like? Is it worth the trip? I haven't been to Americade, but I've been to Loudon/Laconia once. I think they're very different rallies - Americade is more GoldWing oriented, Laconia is more 'biker' oriented. My goal was Loudon for the races, which I watched every day except one. But after that I'd head up to Laconia and Weirs Beach for the gathering. Much of it was ordinary biker vendors and the stereotypical bikers - everyone dressed alike and selling and buying the same things. The police kept everyone walking on the sidewalk and provided minimal traffic control to keep things congested and moving slowly (in my opinion). The high point was the 'Wall of Death' - they used a loud Harley on rollers to attract attention, then rode off-road bikes around the walls of a vertical wooden cylinder about 15 ft. in diameter. The spectator viewing area was on platforms at the top of the cylinder, looking over into the riding area. Very impressive. I'm glad I went, and really enjoyed the races. Laconia/Weirs Beach was like going to a zoo. It was interesting, but not something I'm hungering to go back to. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 08:34:02 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27523 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:34:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:33:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200002160833.AA157155882@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Ken Woods CC: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Fix my gravel drive? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ken Woods >The stuff you want is "flow-ash". > >How long is the driveway? Never heard of flow-ash. What is it and where do I get it? The driveway is about 30 ft. long, then it opens up into about 10 ft. x 32 ft. in front of the garage (which is 32 ft. wide). thanks, Chris From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 08:37:52 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27625 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-32.patriot.net [209.249.181.32]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA24816; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:37:44 -0500 Message-ID: <38AAA7B5.6F7A435@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:35:50 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Fix my gravel drive? References: <200002160818.AA254673456@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yikes! GRAVEL! Last year I pulled into a motel parking lot after dark and ... ACK! No pavement - chunky gravel - about 6" deep. That was fun. How about sand on top of it? Or sand mixed with pea gravel? Or you could lay out a m/c width path and dump sand mixed with portland cement on the gravel. Stir well and next day - zzooommm.... Bill Chris Norloff wrote: > Now that enough snow has melted that I can actually get a motorcycle down the driveway to the backyard garage, I've been riding on my new gravel driveway. > > Unfortunately, it seems that rather than bringing crusher-run gravel, the contractor brought larger, more uniform gravel. The result is an unstable surface for riding a 2-wheeler -- I can negotiate it but it's not comfortable, and I'm leaving 2-3 in. deep troughs from the wheels. This is mostly in the area right in front of the garage - the gravel closer to the original blacktop driveway is more firm. > > So, what to do now? > 1. With time it will probably compress down. > 2. I could rake a bunch of the gravel out to one side (where I want it eventually anyway) and see if the remaining thickness of gravel is more stable. > 3. I could order more crusher-run and put it on top, if it might 'solidify' the driving-on-surface. > 4. I could order very small gravel and put that down, thinking it will infiltrate the existing gravel and stabilize it. > > your thoughts? > > thanks, > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 08:40:28 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27650 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05824; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:40:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:40:06 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Chris Norloff cc: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Fix my gravel drive? In-Reply-To: <200002160833.AA157155882@piglet.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Chris Norloff wrote: > Never heard of flow-ash. What is it and where do I get it? It's an ash. It's meant to do exactly what you're trying to do. It "flows" down between the existing rocks. Once wet, it will take on more of a solid form. Get it from the same place you got the rock from. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 09:24:50 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28639 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1XVJG4CM; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: <003201bf7889$949971c0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , Subject: Re: Aids ride escorts Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:24:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Thanks Louis. I am Progressive too (insurance and politics). -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Aids ride escorts > >I checked with Progressive, you are covered. If they say you are not, let me >know, I have a quote from one of the top officials saying that they support >activities such as this and that they will cover it. > >People with other companies may want to check with theirs. Good advice Collin! > >Louis > > >--- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: >> Hey all, the ride is for a good cause and all, but every year I post a >> reminder to check with your insurance company to make sure that you are >> covered in the off chance something happens. >> In the fine print of a lot of policies, they specifically exclude such >> events. >> I know the speeds are pretty slow for the most part, but Murphy is >> always hanging around, and shit happens... would hate for any of my DCC >> buds/budettes getting hurt, then finding out that their insurance is >> going to let them down... >> >> Collin > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 10:00:38 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29245 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12787 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2000 14:58:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000216145832.12786.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:58:32 PST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:58:32 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Fix my gravel drive? To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Your suggestions sound reasonable. Here's another. Disclaimer - I haven't tried this. What about a few bags of Sakrete thrown over what you have? It would be cheaper than having something delivered and I would guess that 1/2" coverage might be enough to harden it up. Add a little water to mix it in and it might just work. Leon. --- Chris Norloff wrote: > Now that enough snow has melted that I can actually > get a motorcycle down the driveway to the backyard > garage, I've been riding on my new gravel driveway. > > > Unfortunately, it seems that rather than bringing > crusher-run gravel, the contractor brought larger, > more uniform gravel. The result is an unstable > surface for riding a 2-wheeler -- I can negotiate it > but it's not comfortable, and I'm leaving 2-3 in. > deep troughs from the wheels. This is mostly in the > area right in front of the garage - the gravel > closer to the original blacktop driveway is more > firm. > > So, what to do now? > 1. With time it will probably compress down. > 2. I could rake a bunch of the gravel out to one > side (where I want it eventually anyway) and see if > the remaining thickness of gravel is more stable. > 3. I could order more crusher-run and put it on top, > if it might 'solidify' the driving-on-surface. > 4. I could order very small gravel and put that > down, thinking it will infiltrate the existing > gravel and stabilize it. > > your thoughts? > > thanks, > Chris Norloff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 11:32:29 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00889 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08027; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:32:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:32:26 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Jay Goddard cc: gixette@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) In-Reply-To: <38A97BAB.96F7104F@boo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Did this stupid bitch /REALLY/ just compare being a parent to being in a war zone? 1. This shows lack of control for the children. 2. This show massive disrespect for those of us who serve (and have served) in the military. On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Jay Goddard wrote: > I though you where kidding. Next thing you will be condoning is a > MOTHER beating her child if she had a bad day. Where do you find the > time to write these long E-mails when you are fighting the war to raise > kids. I have been in the car with 8 soccer kids and a Mom (a great > Mom)if traffic was getting busy she asked them to calm down for a > minute, I doubt they will be ax murders now. If I had a dime for evey > mini van or SUV that cut me of I could pay some one to teach you to pay > attrntion to traffic around you. > > Jay > > I looked there; got cut off by you and went aroud you. > > PS, Please don't take out the anger you have for me on your children. > > > > From: "Brian McCoy" > To: > Subject: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) > Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 20:09:47 -0700 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > This is a wonderfully thought out reply to a private e-mail I sent > (sic). > Please, let us all join together, send mass e-mails to this terribly > ignorant lady who seems to think that she has earned the right to drive > poorly just because she can drop out a couple babies... > > Please drive responsibly, and if you can't do that - well, at least > don't > post your ignorance to the net. I mean, I'm not going to take the time > to > write a normal letter to bash you into the ground.. *grin* but e-mail's > quick, easy and all to fun to flame with. > > Brian McCoy > > -----Original Message----- > From: gixette [mailto:gixette@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 6:40 PM > To: Brian McCoy > Subject: Re: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article > > > Hi Brian, in case you are interested in my response. It's kinda long. > > I think that Dave Despain's article had 2 things objectionable about it: > > 1. He implied quite strongly that mothers take pleasure in controlling > and > restricting the free choices of their sons. That mothers are inherently > terrible drivers, and that they don't want to let their sons improve > their > driving.; How stupid and sexist is this? Of all of the crappy, > inattentive > drivers out there, why is he singling out soccer moms? He wants to make > a > point, in the snidest way possible, that if mothers encouraged their > kids to > ride motorcycles, then those kids would not drive as stupidly as their > mothers do. First, the consequent of that clause (the then part) is > false. > Whether you become a reponsible motorcyclist has a lot to do with the > way > you are raised and the values you are given (typically, by your MOTHER). > Throwing a kid on a motorcycle doesn't mean shit. Second, accusing > mothers > of being shitty drivers because they are mothers and blaming them for > preventing their kids from being good drivers is really insulting > (besides > being false). If you think I've read too much into his article, then I > recommend that you read it again. It is all there, under the covers. > > 2. The other thing objectionable about it is the idea that soccer moms > who > drive inattentively are in the same (or worse) category as the makeup > ladies > and the cell phone users. He purposely singled the moms out and > villified > them. I'm going to give you two examples of what I'm trying to say here > that > may help: > > Suppose there is a terrible war, and our young men (and some women) come > home from having fought valiantly and hard for us, under the standard > terrible conditions of war, in some cases incurring wounds physical and > mental. And suppose that a group of them is out celebrating one night, > drunk > as skunks, driving around crazily. What do we say abou them? If they > hurt > someone, we say they are wrong and should be punished. But if they don't > hurt us or anyone, just drive poorly and we have to avoid them > carefully, we > kind of shrug our shoulders and say, well, those guys have been through > hell. Give em a break. And we don't call the cops on them (unless they > run > you down, of course). > > Similarly, if your college alma mater wins the NCAA and the team is out > celebrating and gets a little drunk and drives around inattentively, > well, > as long as they don't hurt anyone, we give em a break. > > I would argue that Soccer Moms are in the combat soldier category. No > excuse > for hurting you, but our toleration of their inattentiveness compared to > our > toleration of the makeup bimbo and cell phone guy's inattentiveness is > at a > different level. Despain was wrong to lump them all together, and I > think it > was cruel to ignore the importance of what soccer moms are doing with > their > lives. > > Do you see what I'm getting at? If you'd like me to defend this, I could > go > on at length :-) > > > Sorry, but I suspect a Human Life is just a little more important than > what > > activity you have planned for cub scouts, or the article of clothing you > > need for a X-mas party. Don't you agree? > > The running of a family is of the greatest importance and brings the > highest > good to society. The running of the family, in the most practical terms, > comes down to these kind of thoughts while you are soccer momming > through > the day. > > Gixette/BadKiti > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I looked there; I went there. > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 11:57:59 2000 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (host.intelsol.com [207.233.199.4] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01321 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:57:57 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256887.005D2217 ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:57:15 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256887.005BB953.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:57:09 -0500 Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>Did this stupid bitch /REALLY/ just compare being a parent to being in a war zone? 1. This shows lack of control for the children. 2. This show massive disrespect for those of us who serve (and have served) in the military.<< Actually I believe that comment was made by one of our fellow riders explaining to the woman, (gixette), that it is indeed possible to have some control over children riding in a car. I think you attributed the comment to gixette mistakenly. And even if she had made the comment, I hardly think it's fair to equate the question "Where do you find the time to write these long E-mails when you are fighting the war to raise kids?" as an insult to veterans. Further down in the same paragraph that you took offense to, it reads "If I had a dime for evey > mini van or SUV that cut me of I could pay some one to teach you to pay > attrntion to traffic around you." That sounds like a riders response to the original post from Gixette. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 14:19:14 2000 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03651 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <19RH22CY>; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:18:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'RWestbrook@XXXXXX'" , "'mKitchell@XXXXXX'" Subject: Honda Hoot Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:18:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain I've not been to a Hoot, but know several that have. Comments: Fun, if you like lotsa riders. Shame to waste those roads on large groups. Mark commented, "I did meet some great people, but the event is weighted towards the Goldwing crowd. The joy of that event is the drive there (via the Blue Ridge Parkway). Instead of going to the Hoot, perhaps some listers would like to take a 3-4 day ride in that part of the country." Great idea. For those who have not been, the BRP gets more interesting the farther south you go. The highest point, 6000+feet, is just a few miles from the end. Oh, and the tunnels, if you like back-fires, can be fun. Do be prepared to peek over your sunglasses (or lift a dark shield) for some of the longer darker tunnels. Some of the roads off the BRP are real treats. Last summer when five of us went around the landslide detour, one guy from Maine said, "I thought I saw the back of my helmet a couple of times." Another from Boston thought about taking up smoking when we got back to the top. For an example, look up Cruso, NC (Blue Ridge Motorcycle Camp, AKA BRMC) on one of the web maps. Follow the road south to the BRP. :^) Then there's Deals Gap and the Cherahola Skyway. . . Camping: Three I know: 1) BRMC in Cruso (New management this year? ~ 80 miles from the Gap - but Rt 28 is nifty, ~15 miles to nearest beer store) 2) Pete's at the Gap (mingle with squids - bring cheap tequila) 3) Cherokee camp in Tellico Plains, Tenn (at the other end of the Skyway) Farther than Pete's but there's better food nearby (Cardin's Landing BBQ & Town Square Diner) and you get to (have to) cross the Skyway to get to the Gap. (Pu-leeze mistah wolf, don't make me drive across the Cherahola Skyway again ;^> ) FWIW, the SabMaggots http://www.sabmag.org/ (Notorious international motorsickle gang dealing in V4 wisdom and partz) are having an "event" in June: SME 5.0 - June 23 - 25 Located at the Cherokee Campground (423/253-3094) (chercamp@XXXXXX) in Tellico Plains, TN. No reservations are necessary; show up and we'll find you a place to throw your tent. Rooms and good food are available nearby for the camping-challenged. Rides will include the Cherohala Skyway and Deal's Gap, with a ~100 mile side trip available (if there's enough interest) to the Ocoee River, a scenic whitewater river bordered by a good twisty road. This was the site of the Olympic Whitewater competition. Here's a map of the Tellico Plains area. http://user.icx.net/~jhunt1/main/maps/areamap.htm Here's a map of the Skyway/Gap/Campground loop (about 135 miles). http://user.icx.net/~jhunt1/main/maps/Loop.jpg Carl in Bethesda (motorsickle gang member with patch to prove it) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 14:29:32 2000 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web507.mail.yahoo.com (web507.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA03805 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:29:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 264 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2000 19:23:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000216192347.263.qmail@web507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [136.242.149.125] by web507.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:23:47 PST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:23:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: bike check To: "Haring, Seth" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Seth....this is a no-brainer Keep the Honda. I ride regularly with 2 VFR800 owners and they love their bikes. Never a single mechanical problem. I've heard nothing but harsh comments about TLs....recalls, poor fit and finish, etc. --- "Haring, Seth" wrote: > > Does anybody here ride a Honda VFR or a Suzuki > TL1000R out here? If so, let > me know what year. I have one of each and I need to > decide which one to > keep -- it's a brutal game but it may be time to > actually buy a car > (ughh)... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 15:04:28 2000 Return-Path: tgallo@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04326 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:04:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from webserve0.corp.us.uu.net by wodc7mr1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: webserve0.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.203.155]) id QQicro08441; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:04:25 GMT Received: from gallot by webserve0.corp.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: og3pool109-157.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.109.157]) id QQicro17119; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:04:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000c01bf78b8$97bb18c0$9d6d2799@gallot> From: "Tom Gallo" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Haring, Seth" , References: <20000216192347.263.qmail@web507.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: bike check Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:01:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I have a 99 TLR and have had nothing but good times on it. No mechanical problems, runs like a champ, and as far as fit and finish, the only issue was the day I picked it up and the fuel tank had a chip, it was replaced under warranty. I have since put on a full Yoshimura exhaust and had the FI re-mapped. It runs like a champ!!! Tons and tons of torque!!!! I have owned quite a few bikes(VFR, FZR, GSXR) and this by far is the most fun bike I have ridden on the street. Tom 99 TL1000RX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: "Haring, Seth" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 2:23 PM Subject: Re: bike check > Seth....this is a no-brainer > > Keep the Honda. I ride regularly with 2 VFR800 owners > and they love their bikes. Never a single mechanical > problem. I've heard nothing but harsh comments about > TLs....recalls, poor fit and finish, etc. > > > --- "Haring, Seth" wrote: > > > > Does anybody here ride a Honda VFR or a Suzuki > > TL1000R out here? If so, let > > me know what year. I have one of each and I need to > > decide which one to > > keep -- it's a brutal game but it may be time to > > actually buy a car > > (ughh)... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 15:29:31 2000 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web506.mail.yahoo.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA04761 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16061 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2000 20:29:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000216202927.16060.qmail@web506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [136.242.149.72] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:29:27 PST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:29:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: bike check To: Tom Gallo , "Haring, Seth" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's a '99 eh? How many miles are on it? Tell us about the problems you've experienced after 20k please. --- Tom Gallo wrote: > I have a 99 TLR and have had nothing but good times > on it. No mechanical > problems, runs like a champ, and as far as fit and > finish, the only issue > was the day I picked it up and the fuel tank had a > chip, it was replaced > under warranty. I have since put on a full > Yoshimura exhaust and had the FI > re-mapped. It runs like a champ!!! Tons and tons > of torque!!!! I have > owned quite a few bikes(VFR, FZR, GSXR) and this by > far is the most fun bike > I have ridden on the street. > > > Tom > 99 TL1000RX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 15:31:53 2000 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web508.mail.yahoo.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA04845 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20469 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2000 20:31:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000216203146.20468.qmail@web508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [136.242.149.72] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:31:46 PST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:31:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Bike Check To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -- Brian McCoy wrote: > VFRs suck... can't even get out of their own way. > But, I remember it was > the VFR that towed the TL rider when the TL gave up > the ghost 200+ miles > from home. Nope....it was a ZX11. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 15:33:49 2000 Return-Path: tgallo@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04855 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from webserve0.corp.us.uu.net by wodc7mr1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: webserve0.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.203.155]) id QQicrq09633; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:33:46 GMT Received: from gallot by webserve0.corp.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: og3pool109-157.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.109.157]) id QQicrq20050; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:33:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000901bf78bc$b0c2bb80$9d6d2799@gallot> From: "Tom Gallo" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Haring, Seth" , References: <20000216202927.16060.qmail@web506.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: bike check Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:30:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Be more than happy to!!! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: "Tom Gallo" ; "Haring, Seth" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 3:29 PM Subject: Re: bike check > It's a '99 eh? How many miles are on it? Tell us > about the problems you've experienced after 20k > please. > > > > --- Tom Gallo wrote: > > I have a 99 TLR and have had nothing but good times > > on it. No mechanical > > problems, runs like a champ, and as far as fit and > > finish, the only issue > > was the day I picked it up and the fuel tank had a > > chip, it was replaced > > under warranty. I have since put on a full > > Yoshimura exhaust and had the FI > > re-mapped. It runs like a champ!!! Tons and tons > > of torque!!!! I have > > owned quite a few bikes(VFR, FZR, GSXR) and this by > > far is the most fun bike > > I have ridden on the street. > > > > > > Tom > > 99 TL1000RX > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 15:43:08 2000 Return-Path: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX Received: from Draco.house.gov (draco.house.gov [143.231.86.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05036 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:43:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims01.HOUSE.GOV (hrmims01.house.gov [143.231.32.157]) by Draco.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12311 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims01.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:42:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bike check Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:42:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) My '90 VFR has over 60K miles on it (I can claim almost half) -- it's only been to the shop once to replace a gasket and to have the timing adjusted. Other than that it's been my own reckless behavior damaging things. My '98 TLR has 15K, half of which I can claim, has had only one problem and it's not even shop worthy. The clutch is starting to slip in high gears. I guess this problem is typical for this particular bike although that doesn't make it justified. It's a quick fix that I plan on doing myself once I get a free weekend. Other than that it's a beefy, gut-wrenching machine... I took it to Sturgis last August (3K miles roundtrip) and it performed beautifully -- although I have to admit that I was getting a little sick of it after the 13th straight hour coming from Chicago. Truth be told, they're both quality bikes that appeal to different types of riders. > ---------- > From: Tom Gimer[SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 3:29 PM > To: Tom Gallo; Haring, Seth; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: bike check > > It's a '99 eh? How many miles are on it? Tell us > about the problems you've experienced after 20k > please. > > > > --- Tom Gallo wrote: > > I have a 99 TLR and have had nothing but good times > > on it. No mechanical > > problems, runs like a champ, and as far as fit and > > finish, the only issue > > was the day I picked it up and the fuel tank had a > > chip, it was replaced > > under warranty. I have since put on a full > > Yoshimura exhaust and had the FI > > re-mapped. It runs like a champ!!! Tons and tons > > of torque!!!! I have > > owned quite a few bikes(VFR, FZR, GSXR) and this by > > far is the most fun bike > > I have ridden on the street. > > > > > > Tom > > 99 TL1000RX > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 15:52:32 2000 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05198 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from michaeljackson ([63.80.246.6]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02678 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:51:37 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01bf78c0$46043cc0$06f6503f@spectrumcomputers.com> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <20000216203146.20468.qmail@web508.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Bike Check Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:56:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Nope, I think that was the OTHER time the TL broke down. When it died in Harrisonburg, he rode home on the back of my VFR. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > -- Brian McCoy wrote: > > VFRs suck... can't even get out of their own way. > > But, I remember it was > > the VFR that towed the TL rider when the TL gave up > > the ghost 200+ miles > > from home. > > Nope....it was a ZX11. > > > -- > tg From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 17:20:10 2000 Return-Path: jcmyer@XXXXXX Received: from ss.onepointcom.net (ss.onepointcom.net [209.8.136.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06555 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from onepointcom.net ([10.0.0.213]) by ss.onepointcom.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA16901 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:14:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38AB2265.6534AD19@onepointcom.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:19:17 -0500 From: james myer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: bike check Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody talking bad about the TLR proply has never riden one.The TLR is the best and the funnest bike I've ever rode. I have never rode a VFR so I will keep my mouth shut becouse I dont know if there good or bad. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 17:23:07 2000 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from ww156.netaddress.usa.net (ww156.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.56]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA06580 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15994 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2000 22:22:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000216222258.15993.qmail@ww156.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.56 by ww156 for [162.70.131.75] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Wed Feb 16 22:22:58 GMT 2000 Date: 16 Feb 00 17:22:58 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Bike for sale CC: halbo@XXXXXX X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First off, don't contact me, contact the seller if you're interested. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT name tbd 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Subject: Cycle for Sale I am selling my 1980 Honda 900 Custom. This bike runs perfectly and has 20,000 miles. My mechanic and I have kept this bike in great shape. I will take $2300 for this bike. This price is fair and firm. Please let me know asap if you or anyone you know is interested. Hal Singer halbo@XXXXXX 703-577-5999 ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 17:51:31 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07088 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:51:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:51:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200002161751.AA115212666@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: Bike for sale X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >I am selling my 1980 Honda 900 Custom. >I will take $2300 for this bike. This price is fair >and firm. Whew! At that price, I hope he's not holding his breath for a quick sale. :) Horkster From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 18:01:59 2000 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07272 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:01:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19076 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (pm7a-19.his.com [216.200.82.19]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19896 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:01:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000216175824.00929c00@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:58:24 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Stephen Harris Subject: TL vs VFR In-Reply-To: <38AB2265.6534AD19@onepointcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:19 PM 2/16/00 -0500, james myer wrote: >Anybody talking bad about the TLR proply has never riden one.The TLR is >the best >and the funnest bike I've ever rode. I race a '98 TL-R. Most of the problems (frames cracking, trans blowing, fit & finish issues) people hear on the TL mail list are relating to the "S" model not the "R". I quite agree that on the street it is a ~great~ bike even in stock form. However on the track, I have had to spend a lot of $ shit-canning the stock suspension just to get it to work well enough to go faster than my EX500 did....:-( Now at least it is in the ball park, but I was amazed how different the machine behaved on the track vs the street in stock form. Mine was not a atypical experience either, just ask Scooter Ball. Ask anyone who races at Summit Point. In stock form that bike is a handful on the track. I have more experience than most around 2 wheels and this machine really surprised me by how different it was from street to track. >I have never rode a VFR so I will keep my mouth shut becouse I dont know >if there >good or bad. I have. I used to work for honda. The VFR is a really ~great~ street bike as well. They are about equal on the street, possibly the honda more comfortible if you like that body posistion (I do not, but I perfer ergos that most do not like). The TL-R has more potential for the track if you spend the $. I have not raced a VFR, but it is not a popular racing machine. I think I have seen, like, 3 VFR's take the MARRC school over the years. Now of couse I would like to get my hands on a RC-51.... S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 18:10:15 2000 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07385 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06568; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (pm7a-19.his.com [216.200.82.19]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA23202; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:09:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000216180603.0090f820@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:06:03 -0500 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Bike for sale Cc: In-Reply-To: <200002161751.AA115212666@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:51 PM 2/16/00 -0500, Horkster wrote: >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > >>I am selling my 1980 Honda 900 Custom. >>I will take $2300 for this bike. This price is fair >>and firm. > >Whew! At that price, I hope he's not holding his >breath for a quick sale. :) > >Horkster As much as I love the "shim on top of bucket" honda fours of that era the only way he will get $2.3k for it is if there is at least $1.6k in $20's stuffed into the crankcase...:-) And I'm trying to sell a '87 FZR1000 for $1.9k....:-) S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 18:46:24 2000 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07980 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 16 Feb 2000 18:46:09 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Re: Bike for sale Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:48:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > >>I am selling my 1980 Honda 900 Custom. >>I will take $2300 for this bike. This price is fair >>and firm. > >Whew! At that price, I hope he's not holding his >breath for a quick sale. :) > >Horkster Maybe he fat-fingered an extra 0 on the price? From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 19:07:18 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA08334 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts002d35.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.95] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:07:02 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Tire Date readins.. Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:06:22 -0700 Message-ID: <000601bf78da$d2efd580$5fec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well, for those of you who like to know when your tire was made, it was well known that the last 3 numbers in the DOT numer were the week and year (first 2 numbers were the week, last was the year - so 069 would have been the 6th week in 99 or 89 (any year with a last number of 9)). I just found out that changed for 2000 though.. now it's the last 4! numbers, 2 for the week, 2 for the year.. so a tire mfg this week would be 0700 (it is the seventh week, right?) Just thought I'd pass on some info.. look what $15k bought me Ma!! Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 19:41:42 2000 Return-Path: gixette@XXXXXX Received: from fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (fb01.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08802 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from badkiti (user-2ivf219.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.136.41]) by fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA09355; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:41:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002101bf78e0$657902a0$2988f7a5@badkiti> From: "gixette" To: "Ken Woods" , "Jay Goddard" Cc: "dc-cycles" References: Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:46:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Did this stupid bitch /REALLY/ just compare being a parent to being in a > war zone? oh my, yes, she did. how dare she even think such incredibly politically incorrect thoughts > > 1. This shows lack of control for the children. Not at all. Have you never been a kid? Or, maybe General, your eminence, you always sat still in the car and never, under any circumstances whatever, were maybe a little exhuberant and showed it? And geez, I thought control was just what our hero Dave was implying mothers SHOULDN'T have so much of....so, which is it, huh? Control em or let em be free and wild? > 2. This show massive disrespect for those of us who serve (and have > served) in the military. > The honorable soldiers I have known have considered it a privilege to protect those most important to society. Guess who that is? duh...and although they do the death gig, they consider it worth it because moms do the life gig, which is just as hard in its own way and is so important that it is worthy of the horrors of war to preserve. What the hell else are you fighting for...the fun of it? But gosh, those soccer moms, doing the life gig, are a pita...get em off the road. And maybe school buses too, huh? They are REALLY annoying...and tend to have stupid bitches driving them, too... stupid stupid stupid...narrowminded...see ya in my mirrors... Gixette/BadKiti ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I looked there; I went there. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Woods To: Jay Goddard Cc: ; dc-cycles Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 11:32 AM Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) > > Did this stupid bitch /REALLY/ just compare being a parent to being in a > war zone? > > 1. This shows lack of control for the children. > 2. This show massive disrespect for those of us who serve (and have > served) in the military. > > > > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Jay Goddard wrote: > > > I though you where kidding. Next thing you will be condoning is a > > MOTHER beating her child if she had a bad day. Where do you find the > > time to write these long E-mails when you are fighting the war to raise > > kids. I have been in the car with 8 soccer kids and a Mom (a great > > Mom)if traffic was getting busy she asked them to calm down for a > > minute, I doubt they will be ax murders now. If I had a dime for evey > > mini van or SUV that cut me of I could pay some one to teach you to pay > > attrntion to traffic around you. > > > > Jay > > > > I looked there; got cut off by you and went aroud you. > > > > PS, Please don't take out the anger you have for me on your children. > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 22:07:41 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11392 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15823; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:07:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:07:41 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: gixette cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) In-Reply-To: <002101bf78e0$657902a0$2988f7a5@badkiti> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, gixette wrote: > oh my, yes, she did. how dare she even think such incredibly > politically incorrect thoughts You're a stupid bitch, and I honestly hope that you and your children die. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 22:43:14 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA12007 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2943 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2000 03:43:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000217034308.2942.qmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:43:08 PST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:43:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Bike Check To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Seth, 13 hours from Chicago??? Sounds like you should have made that left turn back there at Albequerqe(sp?)...(bugs bunny joke for those uncultured ones out there...) Seriously though, that's doggin it!! hehehe chitown is right at 3 from my house and I make it to DC usually in less than 8 hours...including kiddo stops and not exceeding the speed limit too very much (usually cruise around 70-75ish) I suppose on a bike, it's a bit different... more gas stops, more butt stops, etc etc. Your clutch slippage I doubt is from manufacturing flaws...Suzuki is known for having the best trannies of the big four... My guess is the slippage has come about from hard launching? Maybe even a little drag racing??? ;-) When you do go about replacing it, DO NOT GO WITH AN AFTERMARKET!!!! They suck! Nothing is better for your bike than the OEM plates. I've gone almost 2 race seasons and still no signs of slippage on my stock clutch, and talking to some pretty big time drag racers, they say they get twice as much life out of an OEM set of plates than something like Barnett.. plus it isn't grabby like a Barnett.. And I am with Steve........ I fall into that group of weirdos who actually prefer to be crumpled over in a tiny ball and sit inside my bike ;-) After getting to love my 93 GSXR, switching to the 97 GSXR race bike almost felt like riding a comfy couch :) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 16 23:51:27 2000 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13090 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:51:25 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id p.79.18675ed (3941); Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:50:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <79.18675ed.25dcd804@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:50:12 EST Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) To: kwoods@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 With all due respect Ken, you are way the hell out of line. First off, if you want to run your little pissing contest with Gixette offlist, that's your own buisness. But when you start slinging shit, don't coat DC-Cycles with collateral garbage. To quote 80's vernacular, "Take a chill pill, dude". -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 00:12:30 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13416 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:12:28 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id d.73.1271965 (4329); Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:11:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <73.1271965.25dcdd13@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:11:47 EST Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) To: gixette@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Although this topic is starting to get rather nasty... there's nothing much else going on sssssoooo.... In a message dated 2/16/00 7:43:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixette@XXXXXX writes: > Not at all. Have you never been a kid? Yes, and you know what? I *knew* that if I acted up, that car was going to *stop* (key word here - not in traffic), and there was going to be a little attitude correction in the near future. This is called having control of your children, and being responsible in traffic, both of which my parents seemed to be capable. They didn't put up with and crap from me, and I thank them for it. > .see ya in my mirrors... That's what we're all hoping for, yes. How this is going to occur with these so-called more important things going on inside the minivan, I don't know. The basic fact of the matter is that a large group of people, all with different riding styles and interests have had the same experience numerous times: Female driven, child toting minivans performing horrendous maneuvers in traffic. Statistically, this means that this particular combination of driver and vehicle is more likely to exhibit this type of behavior. For every one aggressive male in a corvette/mustang I come across, I'd say there are three of the aforementioned minitanks causing problems. The basis of ALL decision making and opinion forming is experience. In a perfect world, we should never form an opinion... everyone should have an equal chance to prove they aren't an idiot. Well, this ain't a perfect world and I do apologize to the small group of soccer moms who do realize that they need to watch traffic instead of the back seat. You, however, state that it's more important to cater to the whims of a 2 year old and worry about what you're wearing later that evening than to pay attention to traffic, showing a complete lack of understanding in regard to the seriousness of many vehicles traveling in close proximity at high speeds, and respect to others in those vehicles. PRESTO! Stereotype confirmed. And just how can anyone say that all soccer moms in minivans should be avoided? This doesn't make you an idiot... it makes you an ignorant, self-centered idiot, which is the worst type. I'm so glad that you think your children are the most important things on earth, and be damned anyone who you sideswipe or possibly kill while your head is cranked around telling junior such important things as "Yes, the color blue IS pretty!". In my perfect world, there would be police handing out tickets for this and other safety hazards, getting bad drivers off the roads. Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 06:06:55 2000 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20050 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA5149847 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:06:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38ABD64A.F7B2D997@radix.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:06:50 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) References: <002101bf78e0$657902a0$2988f7a5@badkiti> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit gixette wrote: > > 1. This shows lack of control for the children. > > Not at all. Have you never been a kid? Or, maybe General, your eminence, you > always sat still in the car and never, under any circumstances whatever, were > maybe a little exhuberant and showed it? ...... Control em or let em be free > and wild? I think the main topic was to pay attention while you're driving or riding & watch for those who don't. Some of those just happen to be represented by a certain - demographic disproportionately. And, it's not 'control 'em or let 'em be free & wild' It should be 'Control them or DON'T REPRODUCE !' > > ....... What the hell else are you fighting for...the fun of it? because the alternative was that stupid 'goose stepping march'. While a fringe benefit of that is that Mom doesn't have to goose step either, I'd just as soon not be the subject of a tyrant.... Disclaimer (I'm ex ARMY, & no I didn't take offense to the original remark ) > > But gosh, those soccer moms, doing the life gig, are a pita...get em off the > road. And maybe school buses too, huh? They are REALLY annoying Not a really good analogy - bus drivers are trained professionals, most of the cheese box drivers I've known had a pretty high tolerance for distraction. Additionally, most did not dawdle, put on makeup while driving or yak on a cell phone... > stupid stupid stupid...narrowminded...see ya in my mirrors... unlikely, but thanks for the sentiment. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 09:06:18 2000 Return-Path: jzell@XXXXXX Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23366 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA02417 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:06:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000217091236.00a117a0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:12:44 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Fwd: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:59:53 +0000 >To: Ken Woods >From: Jeannette Zell >Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) > >That was way out of line. > >> >> >>You're a stupid bitch, and I honestly hope that you and your children die. >> >> >>-- >> >> Jeannette L. Zell Technical Writer jzell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 09:11:44 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23391 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23355 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:11:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:11:39 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:55:05 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) And so was her comparison between bing a parent and being in the military. On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > That was way out of line. > > > > > > >You're a stupid bitch, and I honestly hope that you and your children die. > > > > > >-- > > > > > > - Jeannette L. Zell > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 09:16:49 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23556 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:16:48 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA52498 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:09:03 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id JAA64632 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:16:35 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256888.004E6941 ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:16:27 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256888.004E6578.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:16:12 -0500 Subject: Tank bag is on Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Thanks to the advice from Chris, Bill, and Linda, I now have a functioning Eclipse tank bag for a grand total of about $20. Bought some clips from Sunny's in Sterling, and viola! :) FYI - Sunny's (at that location, anyway) is going out of business. Lots of cheap stuff. 50% off boots, etc. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 09:28:13 2000 Return-Path: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23710 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:28:12 -0500 (EST) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.c5.1eef7bb (4599) for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:27:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:27:34 EST Subject: Motorcycle Auctions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Does any body know any thing about auctions in the DC metro area where you could buy motorcycles? If so please let me know, thanks. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 09:29:35 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23720 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1XVJG43R; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:29:34 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01bf7953$7387f680$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Ken Woods" , "gixette" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:29:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Get off the list you moron -----Original Message----- From: Ken Woods To: gixette Cc: dc-cycles Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 10:18 PM Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) >On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, gixette wrote: > >> oh my, yes, she did. how dare she even think such incredibly >> politically incorrect thoughts > > >You're a stupid bitch, and I honestly hope that you and your children die. > > >-- >Ken Woods >kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 09:30:02 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23730 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA26879 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:29:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:29:52 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Tank bag is on In-Reply-To: <85256888.004E6578.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: > FYI - Sunny's (at that location, anyway) is going out of > business. Lots of cheap stuff. 50% off boots, etc. Sunny's has gone chapter 11 and may be closing some stores. You should be able to get some good deals at any Sunny's right now. The shop in Laurel still had lots of stuff out. The problem is, stores only go out of business or have real clearance sales when I don't need stuff... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 09:32:40 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23814 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1XVJG43T; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:32:41 -0500 Message-ID: <005501bf7953$e38edb60$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Ken Woods" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) (fwd) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:32:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Yeah soccer Mom's vs the military # of innocents killed by soccer Mom is past 30 years: (est) 4,000 # of innocents killed by the military (est) >2,000,000 Those Soccer Mom's are dangerous Sargent. > >And so was her comparison between bing a parent and being in the military. > > >On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > >> That was way out of line. >> >> > >> > >> >You're a stupid bitch, and I honestly hope that you and your children die. >> > >> > >> >-- >> > >> > >> >> - Jeannette L. Zell >> '86 VFR 700 F2 >> http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >> > >-- >Ken Woods >kwoods@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 09:37:34 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23894 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1XVJG43Z; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:37:30 -0500 Message-ID: <007c01bf7954$8f351e20$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "VFR List" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Corbin for a 91 VFR on Ebay Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:37:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Item #: 261016784 Item: CORBIN SEAT FOR '90-'93 HONDA VFR Price: US $100.00 Bids: 1 Started: 02/14 11:49 URL: http://grass.ebay.com/go/101/11352891/1/261016784 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 09:42:27 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24005 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1XVJG430; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:42:24 -0500 Message-ID: <008901bf7955$3e8d6c60$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "Ken Woods" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) (fwd) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:42:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Before I get flamed by all the military people on the list, I respect what you do for me and this country. So thank you. mark -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell To: Ken Woods ; dc-cycles Date: Thursday, February 17, 2000 9:40 AM Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) (fwd) >Yeah soccer Mom's vs the military > ># of innocents killed by soccer Mom is past 30 years: (est) 4,000 ># of innocents killed by the military >(est) >2,000,000 > >Those Soccer Mom's are dangerous Sargent. > >> >>And so was her comparison between bing a parent and being in the military. >> >> >>On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: >> >>> That was way out of line. >>> >>> > >>> > >>> >You're a stupid bitch, and I honestly hope that you and your children >die. >>> > >>> > >>> >-- >>> > >>> > >>> >>> - Jeannette L. Zell >>> '86 VFR 700 F2 >>> http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >>> >> >>-- >>Ken Woods >>kwoods@XXXXXX >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 09:47:57 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24102 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-18.patriot.net [209.249.181.18]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA03772; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:47:50 -0500 Message-ID: <38AC09A1.529B225A@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:45:53 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rcrishoc@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tank bag is on References: <85256888.004E6578.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I liked the tank bag on my old Suzuki, but it doesn't sit on the Hawg tank that well. So I strap it on the back rack. The saddlebags hold enough junk for a week or more on the road, add a sleeping bag, mat, and tent to the pillion seat and off I go. For some strange reason the Harley boys of the Rich Urban Biker ilk make all sorts of yuck faces at my ride. Must be because I sorta look like the Grapes of Wrath rolling down the road. I'll probably get a nasty-gram from Willie G. for mucking up the bike. And about those bug spalts on the windscreen - I really should learn to clean them off every day. After they petrify for a couple weeks they're bugger-bears to get off. Bill `93 FLHS "Road Grime" rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks to the advice from Chris, Bill, and Linda, I now have a functioning > Eclipse tank bag for a grand total of about $20. Bought some clips from > Sunny's in Sterling, and viola! :) > > FYI - Sunny's (at that location, anyway) is going out of business. Lots of > cheap stuff. 50% off boots, etc. > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > Sterling From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 09:52:14 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24197 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FQ200BGBX9IZZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:51:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA29914; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:51:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.175.89]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000217145037.HHJE22989@toddnt>; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:50:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:47:42 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Motorcycle Auctions In-reply-to: To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000501bf7955$f1ab4e20$d7a62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Coleman Powersports if Falls Church usually holds one around late March. Typically around 30 or more bikes, few of them their own. Call them at 703.237.3400 Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX [mailto:EmergeOut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 9:28 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Motorcycle Auctions > > > Does any body know any thing about auctions in the DC metro area > where you > could buy motorcycles? If so please let me know, thanks. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 09:57:05 2000 Return-Path: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX Received: from indus.house.gov (indus.house.gov [143.231.86.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24284 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims01.HOUSE.GOV (hrmims01.house.gov [143.231.32.157]) by indus.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21485 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims01.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:56:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Check Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:56:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) I was waiting for a little ribbing from my "13 hours from Chicago comment." Truth be told, I took the toll roads all the way up and decided to do a little sight seeing on the way back. Sight seeing quickly became 25 mph roads through one stoplight towns where half of the general population was a cop with a radar pointed at me. And what's with all this animosity regarding soccer moms and military men? I think we need to step back, take a deep breath and count to 10. We're all friends here, yes? > ---------- > From: Collin T. Fagan[SMTP:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 10:43 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike Check > > Seth, > 13 hours from Chicago??? Sounds like you should have made that left > turn back there at Albequerqe(sp?)...(bugs bunny joke for those > uncultured ones out there...) > Seriously though, that's doggin it!! hehehe > chitown is right at 3 from my house and I make it to DC usually in less > than 8 hours...including kiddo stops and not exceeding the speed limit > too very much (usually cruise around 70-75ish) > I suppose on a bike, it's a bit different... more gas stops, more butt > stops, etc etc. > > Your clutch slippage I doubt is from manufacturing flaws...Suzuki is > known for having the best trannies of the big four... My guess is the > slippage has come about from hard launching? Maybe even a little drag > racing??? ;-) When you do go about replacing it, DO NOT GO WITH AN > AFTERMARKET!!!! They suck! Nothing is better for your bike than the OEM > plates. I've gone almost 2 race seasons and still no signs of slippage > on my stock clutch, and talking to some pretty big time drag racers, > they say they get twice as much life out of an OEM set of plates than > something like Barnett.. plus it isn't grabby like a Barnett.. > > And I am with Steve........ I fall into that group of weirdos who > actually prefer to be crumpled over in a tiny ball and sit inside my > bike ;-) After getting to love my 93 GSXR, switching to the 97 GSXR > race bike almost felt like riding a comfy couch :) > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 09:59:33 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24350 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17392 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:58:54 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000217095535.00bebec0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:58:53 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Kill the Soccer Mom thread In-Reply-To: <008901bf7955$3e8d6c60$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrateg ies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Save this crap for the newsgroups. It went downhill fast, and is only getting worse. Anyone that doesn't pay attention to the road is a hazard. Moms are no worse than cell phones or drunks or teens....or crazy sportbikers ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Magazines only complaint: Too Perfect From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 10:03:00 2000 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [208.36.117.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24545 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:02:47 -0500 (EST) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05840 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:06:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200002171506.KAA05840@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:02:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Motorcycle Auctions Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Subject: Re: Motorcycle Auctions Send reply to: jnewman@XXXXXX Date sent: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:58:59 -0500 Speaking of auctions and bikes, I would try going around to local towing lots to see if they have any unclaimed bikes in their possession. Any bike left after 45 days belongs to the towing co. and can be sold & titled with a mechanics lean. The reason I am bringing this up is that I spotted a Paggio vespa in a lot by my work and approached them about buying it. They have about 4 other bikes in the lot- a honda 750 that looks pretty good and some others which might be good for spares... The guy said they sell them for scrap if they arn't claimed. I think any one of the bikes could be bought for the price I am paying for the vespa... about $120. Not bad. The 750 I mentioned looks like it could use a tune, but other than that it looks great. If you are looking for a bike cheap, this might be a option. -John N. 88 FZR 400 87 Vespa PX125 From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Date sent: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:27:34 EST Subject: Motorcycle Auctions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Does any body know any thing about auctions in the DC metro area where you could buy motorcycles? If so please let me know, thanks. ------- End of forwarded message ------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 10:03:53 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24628 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17407 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:03:14 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000217095950.00bcce40@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:03:11 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Tire Mounting - Manassas Honda Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed A phone quote a little over a month ago left Manassas Honda the clear winner in tire mounting - $20 per tire on the bike. The story changed after I dropped the bike off last night. $87 for both on the bike - $57 if you bought the tires from them. I bitched for a while and at least got it for the $57. He was reluctant...which is funny, since I'm spending another $400 with him to do the service. NEVER trust the verbal quote you are given on the phone. Should get it back in time for the freezing rain Friday.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Magazines only complaint: Too Perfect From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 10:21:52 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from fb04.eng00.mindspring.net (fb04.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24939 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-45.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.173]) by fb04.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29630 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:21:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38AC3CF2.4604E606@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:24:50 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Mounting - Manassas Honda References: <4.2.0.58.20000217095950.00bcce40@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is probably a good rule of thumb with regard to everything. But I do have to say that my experience dealing with Denny at Crossroads Cycles is that for "basic" stuff (like mounting tires) -- i.e., stuff that is basically pretty straightforward with little or no chance of something being there that's more than meets the eye -- his quotes have been right on the money. WRT mounting tires, he may not be the cheapest guy in town (I think it was $70 for front and rear with me bringing the unmounted tires) but at least I paid what I was told it would cost. Cheers, Chuck Troutman wrote : > > NEVER trust the verbal quote you are given on the phone. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 10:33:13 2000 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25238 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:31:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Mounting - Manassas Honda Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:31:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Ya, but they _will_ drop their tire prices to very close to mail order if you talk to them about it. In fact, he offered it when I said I was mail ordering them. -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 10:03 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tire Mounting - Manassas Honda A phone quote a little over a month ago left Manassas Honda the clear winner in tire mounting - $20 per tire on the bike. The story changed after I dropped the bike off last night. $87 for both on the bike - $57 if you bought the tires from them. I bitched for a while and at least got it for the $57. He was reluctant...which is funny, since I'm spending another $400 with him to do the service. NEVER trust the verbal quote you are given on the phone. Should get it back in time for the freezing rain Friday.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Magazines only complaint: Too Perfect From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 10:37:50 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25345 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12LSyX-00006n-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:36:17 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:36:54 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) In-Reply-To: <002101bf78e0$657902a0$2988f7a5@badkiti> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Could someone pass me the marshmellows? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 11:29:17 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26125 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:29:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:28:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200002171128.AA281215230@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: RE: Tire Mounting - Manassas Honda X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Petty Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:31:21 -0500 >Ya, but they _will_ drop their tire prices to very close to mail >order if you talk to them about it. In fact, he offered it when I >said I was mail ordering them. Really?!? I tried that at Manassas Honda last time I bought tires for BugSlayer. A rear Dunlop 491 was almost $80 more at MH than the Dennis Kirk catalog I had in my hand. They wouldn't budge for me. So I mail ordered. And I'm about to mail order again. Their loss. Manassas Honda is my local shop of choice, but these inconsistent prices and practices just make me want to scream... Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 11:37:44 2000 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26302 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:35:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Mounting - Manassas Honda Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:35:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" In my _very_ limited experience, I've noticed that the guy in the parts department is more than happy to deal, and one of the guys in the service department seems to be really opposed to it. I've also had to fight to get my over-the-phone price acknowledged. Other people there fall in the middle, I guess. -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Horkster [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 11:29 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; mark.petty@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Mounting - Manassas Honda ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Petty Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:31:21 -0500 >Ya, but they _will_ drop their tire prices to very close to mail >order if you talk to them about it. In fact, he offered it when I >said I was mail ordering them. Really?!? I tried that at Manassas Honda last time I bought tires for BugSlayer. A rear Dunlop 491 was almost $80 more at MH than the Dennis Kirk catalog I had in my hand. They wouldn't budge for me. So I mail ordered. And I'm about to mail order again. Their loss. Manassas Honda is my local shop of choice, but these inconsistent prices and practices just make me want to scream... Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 11:55:32 2000 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26544 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:55:31 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id p.42.1cfd00e (4365); Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:54:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42.1cfd00e.25dd81b9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:54:17 EST Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) (fwd) To: kwoods@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 "And so was her comparison between bing a parent and being in the military." !?!? Do you really believe that your inflammatory and offensive comments are reasonable and even justified because someone uses a poorly constructed metaphor?! No! Several members of my family have served in the miliatary, and I last worked on a daily basis with close to several hundred retired high-ranking officers of all service branches. None have ever displayed such a complete lack of civility towards another person, for any reason. We are all entitled to our opinions, and our right to voice them, but your comments are inappropriate and are not subject the the freedoms of common speech. Grow up. -Sean Jordan "Tis better to keep one's mouth closed, and let others think him a fool, lest you open your mouth and prove it." From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 11:57:44 2000 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com (e22.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.228]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26641 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:57:42 -0500 (EST) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23758 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:40:40 -0600 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id LAA69404 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:57:34 -0500 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256888.005D27D0 ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:57:30 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256888.005D1307.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:56:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Words of wisdom.................... Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey: Sometimes when I reflect back on all the bikes I've owned and wanted I feel ashamed. Then I look into the garage and think about the workers in the factory and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't buy this Harley, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to myself, "It is better that I buy this bike and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about MY bank account." Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 11:59:02 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26661 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25875; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:59:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:59:00 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Eternity23@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) (fwd) In-Reply-To: <42.1cfd00e.25dd81b9@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So, basically, you're telling me that I'm out of line, and that I need to tone it down, right? Here's the thing though..... Free speech, to me, means that I can voice whatever FUCKING opinion that I want to, as long as it doesn't cause physical harm. (ie, the classic "FIRE" in a movie theather is bad....) So, if I want to tell the bitch that I think she's a bitch, then I'm going to do so. If you don't agree, well, tough shit. On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > "And so was her comparison between bing a parent and being in the military." > > !?!? Do you really believe that your inflammatory and offensive comments are > reasonable and even justified because someone uses a poorly constructed > metaphor?! No! Several members of my family have served in the miliatary, and > I last worked on a daily basis with close to several hundred retired > high-ranking officers of all service branches. None have ever displayed such > a complete lack of civility towards another person, for any reason. We are > all entitled to our opinions, and our right to voice them, but your comments > are inappropriate and are not subject the the freedoms of common speech. Grow > up. > > -Sean Jordan > > "Tis better to keep one's mouth closed, and let others think him a fool, lest > you open your mouth and prove it." > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 12:23:39 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27122 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26269; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:23:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:23:37 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Eternity23@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Also, there's a difference between an officer and a grunt. Now you know what it is. On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > So, basically, you're telling me that I'm out of line, and that I need to > tone it down, right? > > Here's the thing though..... > > Free speech, to me, means that I can voice whatever FUCKING opinion that I > want to, as long as it doesn't cause physical harm. (ie, the classic > "FIRE" in a movie theather is bad....) > > So, if I want to tell the bitch that I think she's a bitch, then I'm going > to do so. If you don't agree, well, tough shit. > > > > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > > "And so was her comparison between bing a parent and being in the military." > > > > !?!? Do you really believe that your inflammatory and offensive comments are > > reasonable and even justified because someone uses a poorly constructed > > metaphor?! No! Several members of my family have served in the miliatary, and > > I last worked on a daily basis with close to several hundred retired > > high-ranking officers of all service branches. None have ever displayed such > > a complete lack of civility towards another person, for any reason. We are > > all entitled to our opinions, and our right to voice them, but your comments > > are inappropriate and are not subject the the freedoms of common speech. Grow > > up. > > > > -Sean Jordan > > > > "Tis better to keep one's mouth closed, and let others think him a fool, lest > > you open your mouth and prove it." > > > > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 12:43:05 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27440 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1Z6F49P3>; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:42:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) (fwd) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:42:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, Ken, you have the right to say what you want, even if it is something as offensive and tasteless as your comment was. You might also want to have some respect for others and keep it to yourself. You probably won't convert anyone to your way of thinking by cursing and insulting them. It's up to you though. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > So, basically, you're telling me that I'm out of line, and that I need > to > > tone it down, right? > > > > Here's the thing though..... > > > > Free speech, to me, means that I can voice whatever FUCKING opinion that > I > > want to, as long as it doesn't cause physical harm. (ie, the classic > > "FIRE" in a movie theather is bad....) > > > > So, if I want to tell the bitch that I think she's a bitch, then I'm > going > > to do so. If you don't agree, well, tough shit. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 12:43:25 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27450 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA29398 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:43:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <012201bf796e$4dd177c0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000217095950.00bcce40@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Tire Mounting - Manassas Honda Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:42:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 My buddies at Blalocks will mount and balance my tires for $10.00 each if I bring them in. :). Of course they can't balance the rear. Fastlanes balanced my rear for $11.50. Can't gaurantee that price for anyone else... Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 10:03 AM Subject: Tire Mounting - Manassas Honda > A phone quote a little over a month ago left Manassas Honda the clear > winner in tire mounting - $20 per tire on the bike. The story changed > after I dropped the bike off last night. $87 for both on the bike - $57 if > you bought the tires from them. I bitched for a while and at least got it > for the $57. He was reluctant...which is funny, since I'm spending another > $400 with him to do the service. > > NEVER trust the verbal quote you are given on the phone. > > Should get it back in time for the freezing rain Friday.... > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Magazines only complaint: Too Perfect > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 13:00:55 2000 Return-Path: FGrefe@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27758 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:00:54 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id n.a0.1478719 (3945); Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:00:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:00:16 EST Subject: Re: Tire Mounting w/ single side swingarm To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 In a message dated 2/17/00 12:45:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: > Of course they can't balance the rear. Fastlanes balanced > my rear for $11.50. Can't gaurantee that price for anyone else... > Danny I get my front wheel balanced at Costco for $4. Mounting and balancing is either $8 or $10, I don't remember which. Price is the same for everyone, well everyone with a single side swingarm. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 13:01:34 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27768 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26811; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:01:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:01:32 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To all: At this point, I _really_ don't care any more. On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Weaver, Chris_(MD) wrote: > Yes, Ken, you have the right to say what you want, even if it is something > as offensive and tasteless as your comment was. You might also want to have > some respect for others and keep it to yourself. You probably won't convert > anyone to your way of thinking by cursing and insulting them. > > It's up to you though. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > > > > So, basically, you're telling me that I'm out of line, and that I need > > to > > > tone it down, right? > > > > > > Here's the thing though..... > > > > > > Free speech, to me, means that I can voice whatever FUCKING opinion that > > I > > > want to, as long as it doesn't cause physical harm. (ie, the classic > > > "FIRE" in a movie theather is bad....) > > > > > > So, if I want to tell the bitch that I think she's a bitch, then I'm > > going > > > to do so. If you don't agree, well, tough shit. > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 13:05:10 2000 Return-Path: FGrefe@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27856 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:05:08 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.e3.15921fa (3945) for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:04:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:04:55 EST Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Since you all have each others email addresses by now, how about keeping your flame wars to yourselves. Or better yet, exchange phone numbers. Then you can call each other and yell until you feel better. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 13:26:56 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28133 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12LVcW-0005yR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:25:44 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:26:21 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anyone going to Daytona Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone going to Speed Week at Daytona Beach? I've been toying with the idea of going down for the weekend to watch the superbike race if I can find a place to stay/camp. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 14:11:06 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28849 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17260 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2000 19:10:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000217191049.17259.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:10:49 PST Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Anyone going to Daytona To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm going to FL for a week, but I only get two days at SpeedWeek, Thursday the 9th, and one other day during the first weekend. I'll be staying at my bro-in-law's place in Orlando. I'll be riding down on the 29th (after voting in the VA Primary) and must be back NLT 5PM on the 10th. Leon. --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Anyone going to Speed Week at Daytona Beach? > I've been toying with the idea of going down for the > weekend > to watch the superbike race if I can find a place to > stay/camp. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 > VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 14:10:56 2000 Return-Path: blister55@XXXXXX Received: from web3203.mail.yahoo.com (web3203.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.200]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28846 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:10:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000217191021.22790.qmail@web3203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.254.189.170] by web3203.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:10:20 PST Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:10:20 -0800 (PST) From: JEM Racing Subject: Re: Anyone going to Daytona To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Anyone going to Speed Week at Daytona Beach? > I've been toying with the idea of going down for the > weekend > to watch the superbike race if I can find a place to > stay/camp. I am planning on going down for the CCS races, leaving Tuesday the 29th and staying until Sunday. I won't be catching the 200. I'll be trailering 2 bikes and making the run straight through, so I won't be much of a traveling partner, but if your down for the 2-6 and want to hang out with some myself and some other DC locals we'll be there. ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #500 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 14:19:53 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29008 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12LWQT-0000OO-00; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:17:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:17:58 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: Cedric Bernescut cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Anyone going to Daytona In-Reply-To: <01BF794F.33638280.bernescut@ncea.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would prefer to ride down. I would like to leave on Thursday afternoon and get ther Friday evening and leave Daytona on Sunday evening or Monday morning and getting back to DC on Monday night. Since you're the second person to ask the question I decided to respond to the list in case anyone else was curious. On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Hugh: > I'm toying with the idea too. I've never been and am curious about the distance. Are you riding/trailering/driving? > Cedric > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh Caldwell [SMTP:twg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 1:26 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Anyone going to Daytona > > > Anyone going to Speed Week at Daytona Beach? > I've been toying with the idea of going down for the weekend > to watch the superbike race if I can find a place to stay/camp. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 14:30:53 2000 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29236 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA19071 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:26:18 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012201bf796e$4dd177c0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> References: <4.2.0.58.20000217095950.00bcce40@mail.wheatintl.com> <012201bf796e$4dd177c0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:30:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hey All, Just got back from picking my bike up from CAD (Cycle Accessory Discounters) in Gaithersburg. $60.00 all said and done (15 each off the bike, 30 on it, quoted 2 months ago by phone). I planned to take them off and bring the wheels in, but one thing led to another, and I decided just to have it done. That said, WOW!! New BT-56 SS's are about 2000 times nicer riding than OEM BT-50's with 8600 miles and a flat spot. The bike turns in much easier, and is very confident in holding a line, in a way that the old tires never approached. The bike feels like a whole different animal- I knew that the tires would make a big difference, but I sort of did not believe it, until now. Ned 96 CBR 600F3 94 XR 600R From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 14:38:50 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29362 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA18826 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:38:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <015201bf797e$6d7222e0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Anyone going to Daytona Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:37:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Could anyone give the exact dates and races that will be held in Daytona. I am getting different and conflicting information. Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Caldwell To: Cedric Bernescut Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 2:17 PM Subject: RE: Anyone going to Daytona > > > I would prefer to ride down. I would like to leave > on Thursday afternoon and get ther Friday evening and leave > Daytona on Sunday evening or Monday morning and getting back > to DC on Monday night. Since you're the second person to ask > the question I decided to respond to the list in case anyone > else was curious. > > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > > Hugh: > > I'm toying with the idea too. I've never been and am curious about the distance. Are you riding/trailering/driving? > > Cedric > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hugh Caldwell [SMTP:twg@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 1:26 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Anyone going to Daytona > > > > > > Anyone going to Speed Week at Daytona Beach? > > I've been toying with the idea of going down for the weekend > > to watch the superbike race if I can find a place to stay/camp. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 14:41:33 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29375 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:41:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:41:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200002171441.AA59441792@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , CC: , "Leon Begeman" Subject: RE: Anyone going to Daytona X-Mailer: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hugh Caldwell [SMTP:twg@XXXXXX] >> Anyone going to Speed Week at Daytona Beach? >> I've been toying with the idea of going down for the weekend >> to watch the superbike race if I can find a place to stay/camp. Tracy and I will most likely be riding down, but we haven't finalized plans yet. It doesn't look like our original plan of snagging a condo is gonna work out, so we'll probably be camping out somewhere. We'll hit the IBA party on Friday, the COG breakfast on Saturday morning, and check out the vendors at the racetrack - but I don't know if we'll be catching any of the races (I'd love to, but I have to convince the wife...) We'll most likely leave Thursday March 9th after work and slab it down there. It's not quite 800 miles down to the racetrack from our place - a nice little day trip. :) I had a great time last year. Can't wait! Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 14:43:16 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (fb02.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29451 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-60.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.188]) by fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21580 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:43:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38AC7A36.633E9AEE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:46:14 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Mounting References: <4.2.0.58.20000217095950.00bcce40@mail.wheatintl.com> <012201bf796e$4dd177c0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ned, I have Bridgestone BT56SS's too (on my '93 GSXR 750) and feel the same way as you about them. Quicker turning in. But not twitchy or unstable. Makes you feel like you can turn and burn! %^) Chuck Ned Suesse wrote : > > That said, WOW!! New BT-56 SS's are about 2000 times nicer riding > than OEM BT-50's with 8600 miles and a flat spot. The bike turns in > much easier, and is very confident in holding a line, in a way that > the old tires never approached. The bike feels like a whole different > animal- I knew that the tires would make a big difference, but I sort > of did not believe it, until now. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 14:44:56 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29462 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06029 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:44:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:44:48 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Tire Mounting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Ned Suesse wrote: > Just got back from picking my bike up from CAD (Cycle Accessory > Discounters) in Gaithersburg. CAD's a good shop and Dave Y. is nothing but a straight up guy. He will treat you right. > That said, WOW!! New BT-56 SS's are about 2000 times nicer riding > than OEM BT-50's with 8600 miles and a flat spot. The BT50s were such crap that I'm afraid to try another Bridgestone. It sounds like the BT56SS may change my mind. Of course, so long as I have sources for used race tires the point is moot (got over 3k miles on a used 207GP that I paid $12.50 for + $6 to have The Dirt Shop mount it...). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 14:45:51 2000 Return-Path: SBave@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29539 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:45:50 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.3e.1160d64 (4591); Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:44:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3e.1160d64.25dda9a0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:44:32 EST Subject: Re: Anyone going to Daytona To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 In a message dated 2/17/00 1:28:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, twg@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone going to Speed Week at Daytona Beach? >> I'm going down on Tuesday...after the races on Sunday riding down to the Keys for a couple days. Lots of places to put a tent for the night...you can shower in the pits if you buy a pit pass. Steve Broadstreet Concours From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 14:55:37 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29640 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12LX0C-0001sn-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:54:16 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:54:54 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Anyone going to Daytona In-Reply-To: <200002171441.AA59441792@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Do you plan on riding all the way on Thursday or are you planning on stopping for the night along the way. As I posted earlier I also would like to leave on the 9th after work but I don't want to slab it all the way as that gets dull real quick like. If you're taking two days I might join you for the Thursday slabbing and try to find something more entertaining on Friday. On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Horkster wrote > > Tracy and I will most likely be riding down, but we haven't > finalized plans yet. It doesn't look like our original plan > of snagging a condo is gonna work out, so we'll probably be > camping out somewhere. We'll hit the IBA party on Friday, > the COG breakfast on Saturday morning, and check out the > vendors at the racetrack - but I don't know if we'll be catching > any of the races (I'd love to, but I have to convince the wife...) > > We'll most likely leave Thursday March 9th after work and slab > it down there. It's not quite 800 miles down to the racetrack > from our place - a nice little day trip. :) > > I had a great time last year. Can't wait! > > Dale > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 15:03:26 2000 Return-Path: SBave@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29793 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:03:25 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.9.243749a (4591); Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:01:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9.243749a.25ddadb3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:01:55 EST Subject: Re: Anyone going to Daytona To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 In a message dated 2/17/00 2:58:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, twg@XXXXXX writes: << Do you plan on riding all the way on Thursday or are you planning on stopping for the night along the way. >> Are you kidding me! Horkster stopping on the way to Florida???? HAHAHAHAHA No Way!! He thinks that is FUN!!! :) Steve Broadstreet Concours From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 15:11:18 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29876 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:11:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:11:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200002171511.AA194511382@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: RE: Anyone going to Daytona X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Hugh Caldwell Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:54:54 -0800 (PST) > Do you plan on riding all the way on Thursday or >are you planning on stopping for the night along the way. Hugh, We'll most likely stop somewhere along I-95 on the way down. Those $20 motel rooms start looking real good at 2 am when you are getting cold and tired. :) Leon and I did just that last year when we rode down together. I think I became a convert to electric riding gear shortly after that cold night ride. :) You are more than welcome to ride along with us for as long as you want to. We can split the costs of a room if you can handle my snoring. (Earplugs, anyone?) :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 15:16:13 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00135 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:16:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:15:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200002171515.AA236257520@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , , Subject: Re: Anyone going to Daytona X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:01:55 EST >Are you kidding me! Horkster stopping on the way to Florida???? >HAHAHAHAHA No Way!! He thinks that is FUN!!! :) Actually, in this case, since we'll be leaving after work, we probably won't be able to ride the whole night through. I'm not big on sleep deprivation. Actually, both times I've ridden to Florida (my BB1500 to St. Pete, and last year's Daytona run) I've stopped and caught a cheap motel on the way down. Both times I've left after work. D'oh! I'm starting to detect a pattern. :) This whole work thing is really getting in the way of my riding! :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 15:18:38 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00148 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA26204 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11786 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27063 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:18:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FQ300H01CD5ZA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:17:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FQ300AUVCD1NE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) id <161K0J5P>; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:18:45 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:17:20 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Anyone going to Daytona To: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020ACDFF@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >>Are you kidding me! Horkster stopping on the way to Florida???? HAHAHAHAHA >>No Way!! He thinks that is FUN!!! :) Ahh... but the wife will be with him - she's just a little more stable than he. Although 800 miles is really nothing, I wouldn't mind just taking a little more time and see some things instead of white dotted lines and the Horkster's backside. :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 15:33:30 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00395 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12LXb1-0003Qs-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:32:19 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:32:57 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone going to Daytona In-Reply-To: <3e.1160d64.25dda9a0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Are you saying you can camp at the track in Daytona? On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 2/17/00 1:28:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, > twg@XXXXXX writes: > > << Anyone going to Speed Week at Daytona Beach? >> > > I'm going down on Tuesday...after the races on Sunday riding down to the Keys > for a couple days. Lots of places to put a tent for the night...you can > shower in the pits if you buy a pit pass. > > Steve Broadstreet > Concours > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 15:49:47 2000 Return-Path: SBave@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00621 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:49:47 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.6f.1473ee3 (1839); Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:48:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6f.1473ee3.25ddb8a6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:48:38 EST Subject: Re: Anyone going to Daytona To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 In a message dated 2/17/00 3:35:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, twg@XXXXXX writes: << Are you saying you can camp at the track in Daytona? >> No...the guards run you off the premises around 6 or 7. I've camped on the grass beside the track (along the road to the airport in a parking lot)...as long as it only a night or two you can do it...just have to keep all your stuff with you. There are showers in the pit bathroom. Steve Broadstreet Concours From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 16:03:50 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00875 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1Z6F495D>; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:03:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: On-Bike Video Camera? Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:03:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Has anyone on the list done on-bike video footage? I'm wondering about the idea of buying a camcorder to record track days, group rides, etc. I suspect that there are video techies on the list who would know what to buy and what to stay away from. What mounting issues and options are there, and who sells helmet-cams? Thanks Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 16:34:11 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01315 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:34:09 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.26.203be41 (4328); Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:33:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <26.203be41.25ddc32d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:33:33 EST Subject: Re: On-Bike Video Camera? To: CWeaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 31 In a message dated 2/17/00 4:06:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > Has anyone on the list done on-bike video footage? I'm wondering about the > idea of buying a camcorder to record track days, group rides, etc. I suspect > that there are video techies on the list who would know what to buy and what > to stay away from. What mounting issues and options are there, and who sells > helmet-cams? Working on this myself... The only problem is that it's very easy to knock the heads out of alignment on the recorder. The solution I'm looking at requires a recorder unit from Sony mounted in the tail in some sort of shock-absorbant mount (trying to come up with a design), with a remote camera mounted in the front fairing. Not cheap. I've seen people simply rig a mount for their camcorders on the tank, and for limited use, it works fine... if you want to do a lot, you'll mangle the camera. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 16:50:17 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01613 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1Z6F497J>; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:50:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: On-Bike Video Camera? Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:50:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain In the Brit-mag videos I have, they often seem to put the camcorder in a fanny pack and have a remote camera usually mounted to the helmet. That should solve some of the vibration problems. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 4:34 PM > To: CWeaver@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: On-Bike Video Camera? > > In a message dated 2/17/00 4:06:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > > > Has anyone on the list done on-bike video footage? I'm wondering about > the > > idea of buying a camcorder to record track days, group rides, etc. I > suspect > > that there are video techies on the list who would know what to buy and > > what > > to stay away from. What mounting issues and options are there, and who > sells > > helmet-cams? > > > Working on this myself... The only problem is that it's very easy to knock > > the heads out of alignment on the recorder. The solution I'm looking at > requires a recorder unit from Sony mounted in the tail in some sort of > shock-absorbant mount (trying to come up with a design), with a remote > camera > mounted in the front fairing. > > Not cheap. I've seen people simply rig a mount for their camcorders on the > > tank, and for limited use, it works fine... if you want to do a lot, > you'll > mangle the camera. > > - Bri From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 17:05:37 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01857 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12LZ29-000763-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:04:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:05:02 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: On-Bike Video Camera? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I forget who the vendor was, but I saw this stuff for sale at the NYC bike show. It was a little camera that you could attach to your helmet or wherever with a cable that would run to the recording unit. I think it was about $200. Maybe someone else who was at the show will have more info. On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Weaver, Chris_(MD) wrote: > Has anyone on the list done on-bike video footage? I'm wondering about the > idea of buying a camcorder to record track days, group rides, etc. I suspect > that there are video techies on the list who would know what to buy and what > to stay away from. What mounting issues and options are there, and who sells > helmet-cams? > > Thanks > Chris Weaver > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 17:23:29 2000 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02105 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:23:27 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA01412; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:23:01 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029511; Thu, 17 Feb 00 17:21:22 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FQ3001P1I3MGD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256888.007AD63C ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:21:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:21:05 -0500 Subject: Re: On-Bike Video Camera? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256888.007AD067.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Perhaps try the Counter-Spy shop? Upside, micro cameras with good picture quality. Downside, probably expensive. Just a thought, --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Hugh Caldwell Date: 02/17/2000 10:05:02 PM GMT Subject: Re: On-Bike Video Camera? I forget who the vendor was, but I saw this stuff for sale at the NYC bike show. It was a little camera that you could attach to your helmet or wherever with a cable that would run to the recording unit. I think it was about $200. Maybe someone else who was at the show will have more info. On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Weaver, Chris_(MD) wrote: > Has anyone on the list done on-bike video footage? I'm wondering about the > idea of buying a camcorder to record track days, group rides, etc. I suspect > that there are video techies on the list who would know what to buy and what > to stay away from. What mounting issues and options are there, and who sells > helmet-cams? > > Thanks > Chris Weaver > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 17:50:22 2000 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02593 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-193-192.s446.tnt9.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.193.192] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12LZk1-0003fe-00 for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:49:45 -0500 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: FW: On-Bike Video Camera? Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:49:42 -0500 Message-ID: <004d01bf7999$478ad020$faf87ad1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I picked up this handy-dandy flyer from an outfit called www.helmetcamera.com which just happen to be located in Chantilly VA. Check out their website. Note: this is just the camera - it requires a recording device (like a camcorder, duh) with a video in socket. There is a fella on the CBR list who built his own lipstick-cam (shape not location). I also have friends in Canada who video rides using a camera mounted in a tankbag. www.X10.com also sells all sorts of cameras. I don't know if they would be suitable for moto use, though. All you gotta do is ask. LindaT. Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT name tbd 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Weaver, Chris_(MD) asked: Has anyone on the list done on-bike video footage? I'm wondering about the idea of buying a camcorder to record track days, group rides, etc. I suspect that there are video techies on the list who would know what to buy and what to stay away from. What mounting issues and options are there, and who sells helmet-cams? Thanks Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 18:06:25 2000 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02828 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from michaeljackson ([63.80.246.6]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01941 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:05:37 -0500 Message-ID: <006301bf799c$2aff59a0$06f6503f@spectrumcomputers.com> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: Subject: Re: more on (FW: Dave Despain's Soccer Mom article) (fwd) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:10:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Ken, you sure cared enough to wish death on this lady and her children. Hey everybody, can you imagine the road rage war between these two? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Woods" > To all: > > At this point, I _really_ don't care any more. > > >You're a stupid bitch, and I honestly hope that you and your children die. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 18:08:27 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02844 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-59.s59.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.59] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12La0F-0000CH-00; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:06:32 -0500 Message-ID: <002101bf799b$7405eb60$3b6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: Going to Daytona, anyone want to ride along? Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:05:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone want to ride down to Daytona for bike week? I will be leaving anytime after Friday the 3rd 3:00 and return Sunday the 12 after the 200 race or Monday morning. I will be taking a friends truck down with my bike or trailering if someone else wants to take thier bike. Let me know, at this point most everything is flexible except the return will be after the 200. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 18:42:40 2000 Return-Path: richquinlan@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03386 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from richspc ([12.77.67.149]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <20000217234156.EFTY26879@richspc>; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:41:56 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Rich Quinlan" To: "Danny Thompson" , , , Subject: RE: Going to Daytona, anyone want to ride along? Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:56:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <002101bf799b$7405eb60$3b6aaccf@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal Danny, looks like our little band of merry marauders will be coming back on the 13th in the AM as well. I'm not leaving until the Thursday or Friday before the 200 though. God I hate my boss :-P Rich Quinlan '98 Honda VFR800FI soon to be in '00 Canadian blue- Very Custom '97 Audi A4 1.8tqmsX in Pearl White - More mods than I can shake a wastegate rod at... "Forget world peace - Visualize using your TURN SIGNAL" http://home.att.net/~richquinlan - The Audi page http://home.att.net/~richquinlan/vfr/ - The lame (for now) VFR page -----Original Message----- From: owner-vfr@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-vfr@XXXXXX]On Behalf Of Danny Thompson Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 6:05 PM To: vfr-digest@XXXXXX; sv650@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Going to Daytona, anyone want to ride along? Anyone want to ride down to Daytona for bike week? I will be leaving anytime after Friday the 3rd 3:00 and return Sunday the 12 after the 200 race or Monday morning. I will be taking a friends truck down with my bike or trailering if someone else wants to take thier bike. Let me know, at this point most everything is flexible except the return will be after the 200. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 19:43:30 2000 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04335 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:43:29 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.a0.14ba58c (3961); Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:42:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:42:20 EST Subject: Re: On-Bike Video Camera? To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 In a message dated 2/17/2000 5:08:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, twg@XXXXXX writes: << I forget who the vendor was, but I saw this stuff for sale at the NYC bike show. It was a little camera that you could attach to your helmet or wherever with a cable that would run to the recording unit. I think it was about $200. Maybe someone else who was at the show will have more info. >> I'm coming up with the same blank. I remember the vendor and the cameras but, I can't remember the name. Sorry. The price sounds about right though. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 20:52:24 2000 Return-Path: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA05512 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:52:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000218015156.14632.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [134.11.119.136] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:51:56 PST Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:51:56 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike check To: Tom Gallo , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've ridden both and my opinion is stay with the VFR. Although the TL has tons more power, that's all it has. I found the TL very un-willing to lean. Glenn --- Tom Gallo wrote: > I have a 99 TLR and have had nothing but good times > on it. No mechanical > problems, runs like a champ, and as far as fit and > finish, the only issue > was the day I picked it up and the fuel tank had a > chip, it was replaced > under warranty. I have since put on a full > Yoshimura exhaust and had the FI > re-mapped. It runs like a champ!!! Tons and tons > of torque!!!! I have > owned quite a few bikes(VFR, FZR, GSXR) and this by > far is the most fun bike > I have ridden on the street. > > > Tom > 99 TL1000RX > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Gimer" > To: "Haring, Seth" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: bike check > > > > Seth....this is a no-brainer > > > > Keep the Honda. I ride regularly with 2 VFR800 > owners > > and they love their bikes. Never a single > mechanical > > problem. I've heard nothing but harsh comments > about > > TLs....recalls, poor fit and finish, etc. > > > > > > --- "Haring, Seth" > wrote: > > > > > > Does anybody here ride a Honda VFR or a Suzuki > > > TL1000R out here? If so, let > > > me know what year. I have one of each and I > need to > > > decide which one to > > > keep -- it's a brutal game but it may be time to > > > actually buy a car > > > (ughh)... > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 21:51:33 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06473 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:51:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:51:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200002172151.AA70517106@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Danny Thompson" Subject: Re: Anyone going to Daytona X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Danny Thompson" >Could anyone give the exact dates and races that will be held in Daytona. I >am getting different and conflicting information. http://www.ama-cycle.com/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 21:56:06 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06506 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:56:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:56:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200002172156.AA46072352@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Subject: Re: On-Bike Video Camera? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" >who sells helmet-cams? http://www.helmetcamera.com/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 17 22:07:37 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06767 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (216-164-131-90.s90.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.131.90]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18693 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:07:02 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000217220530.00ac3ca0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:06:56 -0500 To: "DC-CYCLES" From: Mike T Subject: Re: FW: On-Bike Video Camera? In-Reply-To: <004d01bf7999$478ad020$faf87ad1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Bought a small 8mm video camera this Christmas. Will strap to the tankbag and see how it goes. I plan on trying it when the weather is nicer. It has image stabilization - but I don't know how it will perform.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 "Women might be able to fake orgasms. But men can fake whole relationships." - Jimmy Shubert From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 03:25:49 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA12750 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 03:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts016d47.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.235.59] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:25:32 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Tire mounting and balancing.. Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:25:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bf79e9$a8e230c0$3beb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Ok, first off.. I'm in my 'clinic' (lab setting) dealing with tires, brakes suspension and frame geometry. Even the Worst mechanic, and slowest learner, after a couple tries, could change a tire in 10~5 minutes. Do the math, most local shops charge an hourly shop rate of near $50. Even having to PULL the wheels from the bike, change the tires, check for things that may Hurt you (brake rotrs, pad wear, leaks, chain tension, etc) - it's not going to take more than an hour.... so, why in Gods name, are you willing to pay more than an hour of shop rate? Esp. if you're bringing in your rims. As for Buying tires.. if a shop isn't willing to get within 10% of mail-order price+shipping.. walk away (fer Christs sake, they can order the tire YOU show them from the ad and make money.. how stupid are these shops?). If you're going to be pulling the tires, you can always mount them with the DC-Cycles Tire Changer (*ahem* I STILL have a flipping share, and it's for sale!). If you're REALLY worried about balancing your tires, you can pick up a truing stand for about $100 (or make one for a lot less) and true your tires yourself. E-mail me if you wanna know more on this.. *News Flash* - shops are in in the business to make money... they're typically willing to negotiate as long as they keep your business. Tires make up about 1/3!! of a shops income.. they don't want to loose that business. Cheers and happy consumerism. Brian McCoy P.S. for the guys that think new tires are a Huge improvment - try checking your pressure occasionally.. most people never do (we checked the STUDENTS bikes at MMI - and 3 of 28 were near what the should have been - the rest were more than 10psi off on the low side). As for the 'proper' inflation - don't follow the 10% increase in PSI when warm rule of thumb, it's bad. You should set the pressure depending on the Load Rating of the tire - add your weight to the bike weight, then split it up in your bikes weight ratio (if you don't know that, go 50/50). Drop 1 PSI for each 20lbs (I think, can't find that particular note - I'll get it tomrrow night) under max load rating. for a slightly firmer ride, increase the pressure, for a softer ride, use less (or change to spoked wheels). Anyway, just passing on some of the info from MMI.. if you don't want it, let me know. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 03:35:47 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA13001 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 03:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts016d47.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.235.59] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:35:43 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: clutch issues.. Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:35:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bf79eb$14aab330$3beb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Collin "I can't ride a couch without falling off" Fagan said: > Your clutch slippage I doubt is from manufacturing flaws...Suzuki is > known for having the best trannies of the big four... My guess is the > slippage has come about from hard launching? Maybe even a little drag > racing??? ;-) When you do go about replacing it, DO NOT GO WITH AN > AFTERMARKET!!!! They suck! Nothing is better for your bike than the OEM > plates. I've gone almost 2 race seasons and still no signs of slippage > on my stock clutch, and talking to some pretty big time drag racers, > they say they get twice as much life out of an OEM set of plates than > something like Barnett.. plus it isn't grabby like a Barnett.. I just caught this as a reply to a reply.. :P Anyway, if the clutch is slipping in the higher gears on your bike, it's just the signs that it's worn out and needs replaced. If you're going to do the work yourself, make sure to pay attention to disassembly so you can reassemble it correctly (d'oh, Collin picked me up one morning because I screwed up). On the steel plates, theres a sharp side, and a rounded side - put all the steels on in the same direction with the sharp side facing in. Make sure to PRE-soak all your plates for a couple 2~3 days in clean motor oil aswell for optimal performance right from the get-go. It's total preferance between OEM and aftermarkt. Barnett usually grabs more (better friction materials) and doesn't last quite as long (again, better friction materials - used for grab not longevity). Don't worry about replacing the springs unless they're worn out or you've dome something to get 20+ more HP out of your engine (and maybe not even then). and.. ummm... ummm.... don't reuse torn gaskets. You'll just slop goo on there, it'll squeeze inside the case, get picked up by the oil, clog oil passages somewhere and you'll fry an engine.. *grin* ok, that's worst case - but still not all that uncomon. Shit.. am I ready for the real world of motorcycle mechanics or what! Now, lets see how I adjust to 1/2 the salary I made working on computers. Cheers, Brian McCoy - MMI Student From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 10:10:57 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.prod.itd.earthlink.net (vulture.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20426 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:10:56 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip241.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip241.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.241]) by vulture.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA25131 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:10:47 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: boots Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:11:37 GMT Message-ID: <38ad8ac5.218315665@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A friend of mine wants some white/green motorcycle boots. Anyone know where some can be found? cheaper the better I think. Thanks daniel zx6r/ex250 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 10:23:43 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20659 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:23:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:23:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200002181023.AA444072174@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , "Brian McCoy" Subject: Re: clutch issues.. X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Brian McCoy" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:35:16 -0700 >Shit.. am I ready for the real world of motorcycle mechanics or >what! Now, lets see how I adjust to 1/2 the salary I made working >on computers. Is it just me, or is anyone else desperately hoping Brian gets a good job back here at a local shop so we'll all have a skilled mechanic around that we trust? :) You go, boy! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 10:50:46 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21173 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:50:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:50:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200002181050.AA57541270@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , "Brian McCoy" Subject: Re: Tire mounting and balancing.. X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Brian McCoy" >As for Buying tires.. if a shop isn't willing to get within 10% of >mail-order price+shipping.. walk away (fer Christs sake, they can >order the tire YOU show them from the ad and make money.. how stupid >are these shops?). Yeah, never thought about it that way... That is pretty stupid, isn't it? :) > If you're going to be pulling the tires, you can always mount them >with the DC-Cycles Tire Changer (*ahem* I STILL have a flipping share, >and it's for sale!). Now that is surprising - investing in the Tire Changer was the best $30 I've ever spent! It paid for itself the second time I used it. I can't believe no one here want's to buy your share. >If you're REALLY worried about balancing your tires, I like how you phrased that. I haven't balanced the last 3 or 4 tires I've mounted. I can't tell the difference. Why bother? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 11:07:24 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (fb02.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21446 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-04.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.68]) by fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12703 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:07:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38AD991F.DC69C249@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:10:23 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tire mounting and balancing.. References: <200002181050.AA57541270@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess I don't understand why I shouldn't worry about balancing my tires. I came to motorcycling from a background of riding and racing bicycles. Having true and round (i.e., balanced) wheels on a bicycle are extremely important. Why would this be any less important on a motorcycle? (Or on a car for that matter?) Especially if you're talking about traveling at high (i.e., extra legal) speeds or spending time on the track? Maybe I'm ignorant or just dense. But I'm willing to listen (and possibly be educated and enlightened) about why I shouldn't worry about balancing my wheels/tires on my motorcycle. Thanx! Chuck '93 GSXR 750 Horkster wrote : > > >If you're REALLY worried about balancing your tires, > > I like how you phrased that. I haven't balanced the last 3 or > 4 tires I've mounted. I can't tell the difference. Why bother? From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 11:31:35 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21844 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05929 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:31:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:31:24 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: clutch issues.. In-Reply-To: <200002181023.AA444072174@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Horkster wrote: > Is it just me, or is anyone else desperately hoping Brian gets > a good job back here at a local shop so we'll all have a skilled > mechanic around that we trust? :) Hmmm, that's not quite what I was thinking but that's ok... :) What you folks in VA have to realize is that the good local shops are small accessory/service shops in MD (CAD, The Dirt Shop, the shop in Kensington). Build a relationship with one or all of these shops and life is easy... The number of free services, free advice, discounted parts (Honda parts at cost :) ), borrowed tools, etc I've gotten from The Dirt Shop and CAD have almost outweighed the money I've spent with them (although they've made up their freebies in "free" marketing). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 11:54:14 2000 Return-Path: ghub@XXXXXX Received: from rmx02.mail.com (rmx02.mail.com [165.251.32.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22154 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from web09.pub01 (web09.pub01.mail.com [165.251.32.19]) by rmx02.mail.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA16008 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:54:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <383620519.950892848461.JavaMail.root@web09.pub01> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:54:08 -0500 (EST) From: G Hub To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday Rides Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 207.172.50.249 Any rides on tap for tomorrow? Weather reports says 58. That's well above my age and worth a trip out of the garage. Gerald Hubbard Ducati ST4 ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 12:13:05 2000 Return-Path: tgallo@XXXXXX Received: from blue.vais.net (root@XXXXXX [207.98.180.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22467 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from red.vais.net (red.vais.net [207.98.180.1]) by blue.vais.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03494; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:12:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:12:54 -0500 (EST) From: DIAL|MB|Tom Gallo To: dysart@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike check In-Reply-To: <20000218015156.14632.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What year and model TL did you ride? I definitely don't feel like I have a hard time leaning the TL, in fact I felt more comfotrable leaning the TL over the GSXR(95). It may take a little more effort to get the bike started into the lean, but from there it goes down quite easily.O I have also noticed the ability to go deeper into a corner before leaning it over. It seem to track fairly well once into the corner as well. That may also be due to fresh rubber, Dunlop d207s. :-) Tom On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > I've ridden both and my opinion is stay with the VFR. > Although the TL has tons more power, that's all it > has. I found the TL very un-willing to lean. > > Glenn > > --- Tom Gallo wrote: > > I have a 99 TLR and have had nothing but good times > > on it. No mechanical > > problems, runs like a champ, and as far as fit and > > finish, the only issue > > was the day I picked it up and the fuel tank had a > > chip, it was replaced > > under warranty. I have since put on a full > > Yoshimura exhaust and had the FI > > re-mapped. It runs like a champ!!! Tons and tons > > of torque!!!! I have > > owned quite a few bikes(VFR, FZR, GSXR) and this by > > far is the most fun bike > > I have ridden on the street. > > > > > > Tom > > 99 TL1000RX > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Gimer" > > To: "Haring, Seth" ; > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 2:23 PM > > Subject: Re: bike check > > > > > > > Seth....this is a no-brainer > > > > > > Keep the Honda. I ride regularly with 2 VFR800 > > owners > > > and they love their bikes. Never a single > > mechanical > > > problem. I've heard nothing but harsh comments > > about > > > TLs....recalls, poor fit and finish, etc. > > > > > > > > > --- "Haring, Seth" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anybody here ride a Honda VFR or a Suzuki > > > > TL1000R out here? If so, let > > > > me know what year. I have one of each and I > > need to > > > > decide which one to > > > > keep -- it's a brutal game but it may be time to > > > > actually buy a car > > > > (ughh)... > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 12:26:33 2000 Return-Path: cbxturbo@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22634 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-129-243.s497.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.243] helo=cbxturbo) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12Lr3d-0002il-00; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:19:10 -0500 Message-ID: <00c101bf7a34$ebd42460$f381a4d8@cbxturbo> From: "Swifty" To: , , "Brian McCoy" References: <200002181050.AA57541270@tidalwave.net> Subject: Re: Tire balancing.. Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:23:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 FYI I haven't balanced the last 100 tires I or friends have installed...never a problem. So...why balance?? Swifty From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 12:53:00 2000 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23115 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id MAA16870 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:54:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38AD8609.93A98EFD@pti.com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:48:57 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Mounting References: <4.2.0.58.20000217095950.00bcce40@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been getting my tires (or tyres for any brits out there) mounted at Stonewall Cycle in Front Royal. They charge $10 off the bike and $20 on, which includes high speed balancing. Its a mom and pop shop that does service and sells bikes on consignment, really nice people, and you can take 55 to get there so the ride goes fast (or really fast if that is your riding style). I've used them twice and am still happy with them. The owners name is Denny, tell him the guy with the FZR600 that is to stupid to come out of the rain sent you. Here is there web site: http://www.stonewallcycle.com/ Nelson 94 FZR 600 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 14:10:32 2000 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web504.mail.yahoo.com (web504.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24351 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10458 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2000 19:10:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000218191024.10457.qmail@web504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.209] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:10:24 PST Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:10:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire balancing.. To: Swifty , horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian McCoy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From what I've seen the worse a tire is balanced, the worse it performs at high speeds. Don't know what you and your friends are riding, but I think sportbike riders would prefer to have properly balanced tires for that very reason. --- Swifty wrote: > FYI > > I haven't balanced the last 100 tires I or friends > have installed...never a > problem. > > So...why balance?? > > Swifty __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 14:51:05 2000 Return-Path: cbxturbo@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25083 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-129-243.s497.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.243] helo=cbxturbo) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12LtPn-00007G-00; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:50:11 -0500 Message-ID: <013d01bf7a4a$053b3c80$f381a4d8@cbxturbo> From: "Swifty" To: "Tom Gimer" , , , "Brian McCoy" References: <20000218191024.10457.qmail@web504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Tire balancing.. Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:54:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Of course we never ride over the speed limit I repeat... we never had a problem. Swifty 94 ZX11 94 SB6 79 CBX From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 14:53:30 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25103 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts004d28.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.184] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:52:24 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: Tire balancing.. Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:52:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bf7a49$a0d3a750$b8ec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > From what I've seen the worse a tire is balanced, the > worse it performs at high speeds. Don't know what you > and your friends are riding, but I think sportbike > riders would prefer to have properly balanced tires > for that very reason. This is slightly true.. but people get to anal retentive about balancing. Check out what happens at the racetrack for balancing sometime. It's more or less just like a truing stand for truing spoked wheels - the heaviest side of the wheel goes to the bottom (al-la gravity), compensate with a little weight at the top, rotate the wheel 90degrees and check again. It's not to terribly hard to balance that way, and it works well enough for roadracers to be pulling 160 down the front straight of summit point without problems. Dirt-bike tires aren't much of a problem - you just don't balance those (some don't even have balance dots). A lot of people never balance tires (some shops don't even have a balancer - stupid IMHO, consumers know the catch phrase 'Mount and Balance' - and want to know it's being done) and never have problems. My personal thought is that I'm going to check for balance because sometimes they are grossly off - and it would be a terrible ride at over about 60~70mph. But, to each their own... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 15:05:30 2000 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web506.mail.yahoo.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25368 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17498 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2000 20:05:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20000218200526.17497.qmail@web506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.209] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:05:26 PST Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:05:26 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Tire balancing.. To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian McCoy wrote: > > My personal thought is that I'm going to check for > balance because sometimes they are grossly off - and > it would be a terrible ride at over about 60~70mph. I've had this happen 3 times....although the speed at which the ride gets terrible differs. These tires were all supposedly balanced....yeeeaaah sure Static balancing seems to be good enough when it's done right. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 15:13:56 2000 Return-Path: pawilson@XXXXXX Received: from mail.digizen.net (mail.digizen.net [209.194.78.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25447 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:13:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002182013.PAA25447@meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 19073 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2000 20:12:48 -0000 Received: from ppp2-56.digizen.net (HELO palladio) (209.194.78.56) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2000 20:12:48 -0000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Subject: Re: Tire balancing.. Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:04:10 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Tom Gimer > >From what I've seen the worse a tire is balanced, the > worse it performs at high speeds. Don't know what you > and your friends are riding, but I think sportbike > riders would prefer to have properly balanced tires > for that very reason. Not to mention the uneven tread wear that sends tires to an early grave on many a motorcycle and cage. (can be caused by alignment problems too) An unbalanced wheel "hops" and the faster you go that worse it gets. I would think that cast wheels on motorcycles have few balance problems, but I don't skimp on a routine procedure that could save hundreds of dollars on tires over the life of a bike. Motorcycle tires have short enough lives as it is. Paul Wilson Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 16:01:05 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26238 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:01:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:00:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200002181600.AA164233786@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Tire balancing.. X-Mailer: All I'm saying is, I ride lots of miles, my tires wear normally, they don't hop down the road, I get good tire life, I exceed the speed limit with gusto on occasion, my teeth are straight, and my hair is (mostly) not falling out. I don't see the need to balance motorcycle tires. :) That said, the next one I put on might be horribly out of kilter and cause me to remove it and have to balance it with a 5 pound brick. So life goes. It's just that I've met folks who got all concerned if their tire threw one of those stick on weights, or got alarmed if the rear tire spun a little bit on the rim after installation. I just kind of chuckle to myself and wonder why some folks are so anal. Kind of like the princess and the pea fable. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 16:44:06 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26861 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29019; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:44:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Horkster cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire balancing.. In-Reply-To: <200002181600.AA164233786@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Horkster wrote: > All I'm saying is, I ride lots of miles > 1998 Kawasaki Concours > 1999 Kawasaki Concours 'nuff said. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 19:26:19 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA29571 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts004d28.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.184] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:26:11 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: to balance or not to balance Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:25:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000801bf7a6f$e1f4d260$b8ec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal For the most part, modern tires and wheels are relitivly balanced from the word GO. (in stock form, if you polish your rims, toss this out). You're not likely to get much more than an oz or maybe 2 out of balance. It WILL cause problems, but most times it's going to be so small as to be easily overlooked. But if you come across a handling problem all of a sudden, and you don't balance your tires, you have one more thing to check. If you drop as little as $100 one time, you can always have balanced wheels (we're talking you can teach your 5y/o kid to do this - just add it to the chores.. *grin*). It's not absolutly esential to balance. I like to have it done. It's also not absolutly important to have the balance dot positioned right on the valve stem. I'm still going to try and keep it there. It's all personal preference, and someone who balabces their tires, but doesn't keep up on their chain will likely have more severa problems than the person who doesn't balance and takes care of the chain. You have to decide what's important to you and then just stick with it. Afterall, if it's working for you, and you're happy.. why change? Simple stuff.. well, off to *yawn* rebuild brake calipurs and take a test... cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 21:04:03 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01270 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-42.patriot.net [209.249.181.42]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA22734 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:03:57 -0500 Message-ID: <38ADF997.29C907DC@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:01:59 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Fwd: 2 smoke FS] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------8D848F737B796E4159CBF351" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8D848F737B796E4159CBF351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------8D848F737B796E4159CBF351 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f73.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.73]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA22117 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:56:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 62347 invoked by uid 0); 19 Feb 2000 01:56:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000219015625.62346.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.132.104 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:56:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.164.132.104] From: "Rich Crishock" To: bhuson@XXXXXX Subject: 2 smoke FS Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:56:25 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Bill, Would you please forward this to DC-Cycles? I am not subscribed from this address, and I don't want to drive all the way in to work just to post this. Thanks in advance. For sale: Yamaha RD250 Features: new expansion chambers [carbs jetted to match] less than 1 full season on tires approx 7,000 miles original brown metalic paint in excellent cond. Located near Frederick, MD $1000 firm. Some notes: The guy that owns this bike is a fanatic when it comes to tuning motorcycles. Maybe fanatic isn't a strong enough word. This bike is SORTED, and runs like a champ. He has another bike, and is selling the RD to finance the purchase of a 2-up bike. This is all the info I have on it. The owner does not have email. His name is Bob, and you can call him at (301) 824-6582. Feel free to mention that you heard it from me :) Thanks, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------8D848F737B796E4159CBF351-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 18 21:32:59 2000 Return-Path: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX Received: from pimout8-int.prodigy.net (pimout8-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.59.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01712 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from dawnjon (LAURB503-26.splitrock.net [209.156.42.72]) by pimout8-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA167504 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:32:39 -0500 Message-ID: <003601bf7a57$4d857ac0$482a9cd1@dawnjon> From: "Jon Schumer" To: References: <000201bf79eb$14aab330$3beb9bcf@tra> Subject: Re: clutch issues.. Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:29:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Shit.. am I ready for the real world of motorcycle mechanics or what! Now, > lets see how I adjust to 1/2 the salary I made working on computers. > Brian McCoy - MMI Student Eh, "simma down"(SNL) Reading and wrenching are VERY different. Let's see what happens when you're actually working on a customers bike. Not the same as working on the Lincoln Tech bikes, er, I mean MMI bikes....... 8^D Jon From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 19 02:11:04 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA06487 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 02:11:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts005d02.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.206] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:10:47 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Tire pressures.. Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:10:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf7aa8$68eed440$ceec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Ok, I said I'd get the info on proper tire presures today... it's drop 1 PSI for every 40lbs under the max load rating you are. Anyone want infor on brake systems? LOL... I spent 5 hours takign notes on that today... (borring as hell). oh, took a test too.. as usual, 100%.. :P Guess I'm a know it all, eh? Cheers, Brian McCoy - MMI Student From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 20 21:27:16 2000 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19697 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:27:15 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.42.1eb9db3 (4333) for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:26:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42.1eb9db3.25e1fc5d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:26:37 EST Subject: First real ride today To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Welp. I went for my first ride over 100 miles on the new bike today. Roughly 160 miles in 3 1/2 hours. Sightseeing the back roads of Virginia thanks to one of Collin's/Leon's ride sheets from Collin's site. And believe it or not, no butt ache. The R6 seat is WAY more comfy than the FZR. I didn't even realize 3 hours had gone by until I looked at the clock. Nice feature. ;-) The first 40 miles were great. The interesting part came when I was supposed to turn off, only to find the road closed due to a bridge out. =8-0 After a few minor detours, (read as no idea where the F$%K I was & hopelessly lost) I managed to pick back up on the directions. Finished out the ride and came home. MAN, that was FUN!!! I'm actually planning on taking Keith Code's school at Pocono in May to rid me of my lean impairment. Nice tax refund this year. ;-) Anyone else gonna take the two day camp on the 24th & 25th? I'm planning on taking the 23rd & 26th off for travel. Anyone want to join me? Scooter (2000 YZF R6) From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 20 23:22:18 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA21600 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:22:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9082 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2000 04:22:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000221042214.9081.qmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:22:14 PST Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: On bike cameras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chris, I know it won't be exactly applicable for what you want, but the last race weekend I mounted my camcorder in the tail section of my race bike pointing backwards...I have the stock tail on the bike, and the hole where the tail light used to be made a great shot for the camera.... Since it was kind of a last second lets throw it in there kind of thing, I didn't secure it overly well and it moved around some; however, I did get some decent laps around Summit Point in a practice round.... I am going to try and get them in Real Video soon so people can watch them..(they'd just be way too huge as mpg's or any regular vid format) Or if anyone is interested, I can bring my tape with me for copying next week... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 21 04:31:48 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA28057 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 04:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24083 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2000 09:31:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000221093144.24082.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 01:31:44 PST Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 01:31:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Summit Point on-bike clips To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all... I fiddled with the real video producer this evening and snapped off some clips that I took from the tail of my race bike during a practice session last season... Anyhow, I made several clips... the first is leaving the pit... A pit marshall had me stop, and teammate Jeff Ozmen was following but looking elsewhere and nearly ran me over...highest quality setting about 2 meg. Then there is 3 clips of a single lap around the track running froma 700K very low quality clip through a very high quality clip at 4.5 meg. And finally, there is a high quality clip of the entire practice session... but it's huge... 42 meg. I'd recommend not downloading that one except in the middle of the night.... My server is set up on a business class DSL line with decent outgoing speed. But just in case, I have it limited to 5 users at once and only 2 connections per IP at one time... Here's how to get to it: ftp://moto:moto@XXXXXX login and password are both "moto" Netscape sometimes hangs with my ftp server, so take it for what it's worth... the best access is via an ftp program like WS_Ftp. Hope you enjoy it Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 21 11:36:07 2000 Return-Path: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX Received: from ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net (ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net [207.172.5.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05525 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:36:05 -0500 (EST) From: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AIDs Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:43:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN01.Spg.Va/RCN(Release 5.0.2 |November 4, 1999) at 02/21/2000 11:43:47 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I saw someone wanted to get some riders together to marshall the aids ride. Please e-mail me off list Thanks. They can't hit ya', if they can't catch ya' James E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 21 12:55:10 2000 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06767 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:55:09 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id a.c4.17681d3 (4410); Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:54:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:54:29 EST Subject: Polar Bear Challange To: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Anyone planning to attend the Highland county event this coming week end? Bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 22 00:16:43 2000 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA18166 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 00:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA13040; Tue, 22 Feb 1972 00:15:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1972 00:15:22 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Do grooved rotors wear out brake pads? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone know whether grooved brake rotors wear pads significantly faster than smooth rotors; or do they merely not work well until the pads are worn in to match the rotor grooves? 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JAA27084 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA03632; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:26:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:26:34 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: Swifty cc: mailbox@XXXXXX, abuse@XXXXXX, abuse@XXXXXX Subject: Re: C:\CoolProgs\Pretty Park.exe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings -- It appears that you or one of your users is propagating an email worm called "Pretty Park". Please check your systems! Pete. On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, Swifty wrote: > Return-Path: > Received: from pine.eainet.com (pine.eainet.com [206.136.246.5]) > by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13149 > for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:03:47 -0500 > Received: from meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) > by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA03404 > for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:03:04 -0500 > Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP > id IAA26558 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:55:01 -0500 (EST) > Received: from 216-164-139-251.s505.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.139.251] helo=smtp.starpower.net) > by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) > id 12NFgj-00021C-00; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:49:17 -0500 > From: "Swifty" > To: > Subject: C:\CoolProgs\Pretty Park.exe > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > boundary="----=_NextPart_42016" > Message-Id: > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:49:17 -0500 > Parts/Attachments: > 1 Shown 3 lines Text (charset: ISO-8859-1) > 2 62 KB Application > > > Test: Pretty Park.exe :) > > Swifty > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 22 09:45:33 2000 Return-Path: cbxturbo@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27512 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-139-251.s505.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.139.251] helo=cbxturbo) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12NGQ7-0001sX-00; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:36:12 -0500 Message-ID: <00fb01bf7d42$da247880$fb8ba4d8@cbxturbo> From: "Swifty" To: , " Robert Barnett" , "Stephen Battisson" , "Denise Belanger" , "Laura Bobbitt" , "Harvey Boneparth" , "Boneparth, Harvey M." , "Harvey WORK Boneparth" , "Harvey,Sabina Boneparth" , "Debra WORK Brand" , "Mike Brown" , "Mike Brown" , "Joe Bullock" , , "Mike Cecchini" , "chasertango" , "Andy Cherner" , "Jon Cherner" , "Work Cherner" , "Colleen Coyne" , "DC Cycles" , "Home Dr Deb" , , " Tom Ellen Ward" , "William Fleitz" , " Jeff Forsyth" , " Tim Freese" , "Jay Goddard" , "Lisa Goddard" , "Bill Gorely" , "David WORK Griff" , "Hervey,Paul" , "Lucy Hughes" , "Mike Hughes" , , , , , , " Raffi Kavaldjian" , "John Klingler" , , "Phyllis Kohlmann" , "Ken Krohn" , "R. M. Lombard" , "David Silver Spares Ltd." , "Matt" , " Dave McCarthy" , , , , "Dave Napolitano" , " Jill Neuville" , , "Kevin O'Brien" , "Pairel, Pascal A." , , "Harold Redden" , " Jim Rives" , "Brian Rives" , "Mark Rowland" , "Scott" , , "Shahid & Lee" , "Richard Sheridan" , "Jennifer Staub" , "Jim Stewart" , " Eric Swift" , "Eric Swift" , "Gunilla Swift" , "John Swift" , "Kelly Swift" , "Swift, Kim J" , "Mike Swift" , "Tom Swift" , "Tom Swift,Jr" , "Syscom" , "Kathy Venaglia" , "ListBot Verifier" , " Ray Warren" , "Mike Wilbur" , "Williams, Susan (S.)" Subject: WARNING..DO NOT OPEN PRETTY PARK.EXE Virus I got that sent it to you also....no bull Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:40:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 WARNING!! DO NOT OPEN "PRETTY PARK.EXE"!!!!!! SOMEONE SENT IT TO ME AND IT SENT THE E-MAILS OUT FROM MY ADDRESS BOOK. I DID NOT SEND THEM OUT. I AM VERY SORRY SWIFTY From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 22 10:02:30 2000 Return-Path: cbxturbo@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28051 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-139-251.s505.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.139.251] helo=cbxturbo) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12NGn8-0006Bb-00; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:00:00 -0500 Message-ID: <016001bf7d46$2cf994c0$fb8ba4d8@cbxturbo> From: "Swifty" To: "Swifty" , , " Robert Barnett" , "Stephen Battisson" , "Denise Belanger" , "Laura Bobbitt" , "Harvey Boneparth" , "Boneparth, Harvey M." , "Harvey WORK Boneparth" , "Harvey,Sabina Boneparth" , "Debra WORK Brand" , "Mike Brown" , "Mike Brown" , "Joe Bullock" , , "Mike Cecchini" , "chasertango" , "Andy Cherner" , "Jon Cherner" , "Work Cherner" , "Colleen Coyne" , "DC Cycles" , "Home Dr Deb" , , " Tom Ellen Ward" , "William Fleitz" , " Jeff Forsyth" , " Tim Freese" , "Jay Goddard" , "Lisa Goddard" , "Bill Gorely" , "David WORK Griff" , "Hervey,Paul" , "Lucy Hughes" , "Mike Hughes" , , , , , , " Raffi Kavaldjian" , "John Klingler" , , "Phyllis Kohlmann" , "Ken Krohn" , "R. M. Lombard" , "David Silver Spares Ltd." , "Matt" , " Dave McCarthy" , , , , "Dave Napolitano" , " Jill Neuville" , , "Kevin O'Brien" , "Pairel, Pascal A." , , "Harold Redden" , " Jim Rives" , "Brian Rives" , "Mark Rowland" , "Scott" , , "Shahid & Lee" , "Richard Sheridan" , "Jennifer Staub" , "Jim Stewart" , " Eric Swift" , "Eric Swift" , "Gunilla Swift" , "Kelly Swift" , "Swift, Kim J" , "Mike Swift" , "Tom Swift" , "Tom Swift,Jr" , "Syscom" , "Kathy Venaglia" , "ListBot Verifier" , " Ray Warren" , "Mike Wilbur" , "Williams, Susan (S.)" Subject: Re: WARNING..DO NOT OPEN PRETTY PARK.EXE Virus I got that sent it to you also....no bull Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:04:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 For those that don't know what to do with Pretty Park.exe just delete it ....repeat...do not open it just delete it and no harm is done. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 22 10:55:24 2000 Return-Path: jzell@XXXXXX Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28995 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA13478 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:55:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000222105911.00a279d0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:01:51 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Bike & Puppies In-Reply-To: <200002221447.JAA27545@meretrix.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I decided to try to start my bike after work Friday - I know, I'm such a wuss, I rode through winter 2 years in a row & sat this one out... : ( Tom swore she wouldn't start. I cranked her up and voila! She started...after sitting a few weeks. God, I love my VFR. Now I just have to get on her & ride! LOL Puppy News: Some of you contacted me regarding purchasing one of our puppies. They'll be ready for viewing this weekend and we're having a sort of "open house" to see the pups on Sunday. Let me know if you're interested. It will probably be late morning-early afternoon. Oh, and feel free to just stop by & say hi if you want! : ) - Jeannette L. Zell '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 22 11:13:11 2000 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29461 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 22 Feb 2000 19:03:15 UT Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:10 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Jeannette Zell" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Bike & Puppies Message-ID: <20000222111241499-144f21a2@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A few weeks since it's been started?? Uh... try more like December! Needless to say.... I was VERY surprised! Folks! PLEASE!!! Come check out our puppies! We need to find good homes for them! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Bike & Puppies Author: jzell@XXXXXX (Jeannette Zell) Date: 02/22/2000 6:01 AM I decided to try to start my bike after work Friday - I know, I'm such a wuss, I rode through winter 2 years in a row & sat this one out... : ( Tom swore she wouldn't start. I cranked her up and voila! She started...after sitting a few weeks. God, I love my VFR. Now I just have to get on her & ride! LOL Puppy News: Some of you contacted me regarding purchasing one of our puppies. They'll be ready for viewing this weekend and we're having a sort of "open house" to see the pups on Sunday. Let me know if you're interested. It will probably be late morning-early afternoon. Oh, and feel free to just stop by & say hi if you want! : ) - Jeannette L. Zell '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 22 11:14:58 2000 Return-Path: jzell@XXXXXX Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29475 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA13786; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:14:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000222112039.00a22b10@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:21:25 +0000 To: "Tom Zell" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re:Bike & Puppies In-Reply-To: <20000222111241499-144f21a2@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok, ok, it's been more than a few weeks. I know, I'm a loser, no longer a die-hard. : ( Now, SHHH! Let me believe what I want to on the list! ; ) At 11:10 AM 2/22/00 -0500, Tom Zell wrote: >A few weeks since it's been started?? Uh... try more like December! Needless >to say.... I was VERY surprised! > >Folks! PLEASE!!! Come check out our puppies! We need to find good homes for >them! > >Tom >'86 VFR750 > - Jeannette L. Zell '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 22 13:56:33 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02226 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:56:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:56:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200002221356.AA124912142@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Was that Pretty Park.exe actually bad? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Harry Mantakos Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:47:19 -0500 >>Test: Pretty Park.exe :) >> >>Swifty > >Some idiot and/or hapless victim sent a windows binary to the >list this morning. I wouldn't recommend executing it, the name >'Pretty Park.exe' is associated with a well-known virus. Anybody know if that particular file was actually bad? I ask because neither Norton AntiVirus nor McAfee Netshield (all with the latest updates) flagged it as bad. That's no guarantee, of course, but I like to see if my antivirus software actually works! thanks, Chris I-never-run-an-executable-received-by-email Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 22 14:10:44 2000 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02487 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA24041 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:10:36 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:59:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF7D3D.06693B20.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: List-dc cycles Subject: RE: Was that Pretty Park.exe actually bad? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:59:23 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, My Norton didn't flag it either, but according to Symantec's virus encyclopedia, the file changes a registry entry which I found changed on my PC. The steps for fixing it are pretty simple, but I am somewhat concerned that Norton didn't catch it. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 1:56 PM To: List-dc cycles Subject: Was that Pretty Park.exe actually bad? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Harry Mantakos Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:47:19 -0500 >>Test: Pretty Park.exe :) >> >>Swifty > >Some idiot and/or hapless victim sent a windows binary to the >list this morning. I wouldn't recommend executing it, the name >'Pretty Park.exe' is associated with a well-known virus. Anybody know if that particular file was actually bad? I ask because neither Norton AntiVirus nor McAfee Netshield (all with the latest updates) flagged it as bad. That's no guarantee, of course, but I like to see if my antivirus software actually works! thanks, Chris I-never-run-an-executable-received-by-email Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 22 14:22:19 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02737 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:22:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1XVJGVV4; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:22:33 -0500 Message-ID: <008c01bf7d6a$2ca242a0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: , "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Was that Pretty Park.exe actually bad? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:22:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Can you please elaborate so I can check my registry? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Cedric Bernescut To: List-dc cycles Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: RE: Was that Pretty Park.exe actually bad? >Chris, >My Norton didn't flag it either, but according to Symantec's virus >encyclopedia, the file changes a registry entry which I found changed on my >PC. The steps for fixing it are pretty simple, but I am somewhat concerned >that Norton didn't catch it. >Cedric > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 1:56 PM >To: List-dc cycles >Subject: Was that Pretty Park.exe actually bad? > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Harry Mantakos >Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:47:19 -0500 > >>>Test: Pretty Park.exe :) >>> >>>Swifty >> >>Some idiot and/or hapless victim sent a windows binary to the >>list this morning. I wouldn't recommend executing it, the name >>'Pretty Park.exe' is associated with a well-known virus. > > >Anybody know if that particular file was actually bad? > >I ask because neither Norton AntiVirus nor McAfee Netshield (all with the >latest updates) flagged it as bad. That's no guarantee, of course, but I >like to see if my antivirus software actually works! > >thanks, >Chris I-never-run-an-executable-received-by-email Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 22 14:35:14 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03019 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1Z6FVCHL>; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:35:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , bernescut@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles Subject: RE: Was that Pretty Park.exe actually bad? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:35:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain You shouldn't have a problem unless you ran the .EXE file that was attached to the email. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [SMTP:mKitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 2:22 PM > To: bernescut@XXXXXX; List-dc cycles > Subject: Re: Was that Pretty Park.exe actually bad? > > Can you please elaborate so I can check my registry? Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut > To: List-dc cycles > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 2:20 PM > Subject: RE: Was that Pretty Park.exe actually bad? > > > >Chris, > >My Norton didn't flag it either, but according to Symantec's virus > >encyclopedia, the file changes a registry entry which I found changed on > my > >PC. The steps for fixing it are pretty simple, but I am somewhat > concerned > >that Norton didn't catch it. > >Cedric > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 1:56 PM > >To: List-dc cycles > >Subject: Was that Pretty Park.exe actually bad? > > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > >From: Harry Mantakos > >Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:47:19 -0500 > > > >>>Test: Pretty Park.exe :) > >>> > >>>Swifty > >> > >>Some idiot and/or hapless victim sent a windows binary to the > >>list this morning. I wouldn't recommend executing it, the name > >>'Pretty Park.exe' is associated with a well-known virus. > > > > > >Anybody know if that particular file was actually bad? > > > >I ask because neither Norton AntiVirus nor McAfee Netshield (all with the > >latest updates) flagged it as bad. That's no guarantee, of course, but I > >like to see if my antivirus software actually works! > > > >thanks, > >Chris I-never-run-an-executable-received-by-email Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 22 19:34:28 2000 Return-Path: robert@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07730 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:34:18 -0500 (EST) From: robert@XXXXXX Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQidok06604; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:34:03 GMT Message-ID: <38B32CEB.D89975AA@otaku.org> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:42:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Was that Pretty Park.exe actually bad? References: <200002221356.AA124912142@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most of the virus scanners out there are just signature scanners. That it, they have been programmed to recognize certain viruses by looking for a specific string of bytes at a particular offset in a file. But if they don't know about a virus/trojan/whatever they don't know what string of bytes to look for. Some virus scanners will attempt a more sophisticated technique where they'll sort of run the code in a protected virtual machine and watch to see what it does. If it does anything suspicous then it gets flagged. The problem with this is that it's hard to know what is suspicous and what is normal behaviour for that piece of code. Like you say, the best thing is to just not run executables that you receive via email, or executables that come from any other suspicous source. Chris Norloff wrote: > I ask because neither Norton AntiVirus nor McAfee Netshield (all with the latest updates) flagged it as bad. That's no guarantee, of course, but I like to see if my antivirus software actually works! > > thanks, > Chris I-never-run-an-executable-received-by-email Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 22 20:53:33 2000 Return-Path: peggrinder@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA09052 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:53:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from rr (user49.anent.com [208.195.115.49]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02713 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:52:31 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01bf7da1$7a358e00$3173c3d0@rr> From: "peggrinder" To: References: <002901bf613a$c4001380$df2fbccc@default> <00ba01bf6384$6cc2c580$b073c3d0@rr> Subject: Leathers and boots for sale... Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:58:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Ok...since no one bought these last go around....and it's getting close to riding season for most of you all..... How about $225... This decent stuff I no longer have a need for it, since I have a stitch a Vanson jacket and first gear pants..... and would like to see someone get some use of.. . ----- Original Message ----- From: peggrinder To: Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 3:24 PM Subject: Leathers and boots for sale... > AGV SPORT ...1 piece leathers with matching boots.... > suit is white/blue with black....size 54 > boots are blue and green...size 10-11 > > Suit and boots have never been down, right boot has scuffing on the ankle > slider.. > > $300......takes then both... > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 02:16:27 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA15065 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 02:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts005d35.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.239] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:16:06 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Brake rotors and Pups.. Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:16:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bf7dcd$d9bf3de0$efec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Brake rotors groove naturally.. it's just part of the life of the rotor. Though, typically by the time they're grooving noticeably, it's time for replacement. Mic the thinnest part to see if you're still within the factory specs. And Tom/J - can you ship one of those pups out to me air-mail? *grin* I want a little piece of Zeus and Hera... Cheers, Brian McCoy (sleeping through MMI classes now - suspension stuff) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 08:00:18 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20824 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:00:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:00:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200002230800.AA498467228@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Was that Pretty Park.exe actually bad? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: robert@XXXXXX >Most of the virus scanners out there are just signature scanners. That >it, they have been programmed to recognize certain viruses by looking >for a specific string of bytes at a particular offset in a file. Indeed. This means, of course, that they're always looking for yesterday's viruses while they reprogram for today's. Not that virus scanners aren't a good idea to use, only that there's more to 'safe computing' than just running the scanner. It seems that this version of Pretty Park, which apparently did change someone's registry settings, isn't recognized by current virus scanners (McAfee/Network Associates' Netshield, and Norton - both with the latest updates). >Like you say, the best thing is to just not run executables that you >receive via email, or executables that come from any other suspicous >source. Which is why Pretty Park (and other Melissa-type worms) are so successful - the message appears to come from someone you know and are more likely to trust. best, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 08:13:17 2000 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21120 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16086 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:13:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <1V5VHS3C>; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:14:22 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D12DF@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: distilled water for battery--sleepy bike Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:14:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hi folks, Time for me to sound like a big dummy, but where can I find water to top off my battery? Is distilled water the right additive, and if so, is it available commonly? Now I can finally work on my Seca since the cold snap hit and the wind blew over my ride. Thanks, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ (boy, will this bike be a bear to start) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 08:23:12 2000 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21459 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA6173490 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:23:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38B3DF3A.87FB6AB9@radix.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:23:06 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: distilled water for battery--sleepy bike References: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D12DF@tralfaz.treev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Jay wrote: > ...where can I find water to top off > my battery? > > Is distilled water the right additive, and if so, is it available commonly? I believe that distilled water is correct, you can get it at any supermarket, for about $ .70 /gallon . I think distilled is reccommended to help prevent corrosion on the battery plates or some such thing... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 08:47:29 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22076 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-24.patriot.net [209.249.181.24]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA13871; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:47:22 -0500 Message-ID: <38B3E469.9ABBC076@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:45:13 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Jay CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: distilled water for battery--sleepy bike References: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D12DF@tralfaz.treev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes - distilled water only, although I have used tap water. The chems and minerals in tap water *could* contaminate the battery fluid enough to cause problems. Any grocery store - "distilled" water, not spring water. A few items to keep your battery in tune: One of those super-duper always-on trickle chargers for motorsickle size batterys. A specific gravity checker - like a hypo with a float inside. Volt/amp meter to check starting draw etcetera. Sandpaper to clean connections. Conductive grease (see your friendly electricion) to keep the connections from corroding. Strong legs to push-start the bike when the *&%^$# battery takes a poop anyway. Michael Jay wrote: > Hi folks, > > Time for me to sound like a big dummy, but where can I find water to top off > my battery? > > Is distilled water the right additive, and if so, is it available commonly? > > Now I can finally work on my Seca since the cold snap hit and the wind blew > over my ride. > > Thanks, > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ (boy, will this bike be a bear to start) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 09:17:05 2000 Return-Path: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22553 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:17:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000223141627.29611.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:16:27 PST Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:16:27 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake rotors and Pups.. To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian, I think he means "slotted" rotors vs. the rotors getting grooved. Glenn --- Brian McCoy wrote: > Brake rotors groove naturally.. it's just part of > the life of the rotor. > Though, typically by the time they're grooving > noticeably, it's time for > replacement. Mic the thinnest part to see if you're > still within the > factory specs. > > And Tom/J - can you ship one of those pups out to me > air-mail? *grin* I > want a little piece of Zeus and Hera... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 09:43:09 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23000 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-24.patriot.net [209.249.181.24]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20440; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:43:02 -0500 Message-ID: <38B3F176.70B1CD85@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:40:54 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake rotors and Pups.. References: <20000223141627.29611.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah yes, slotted rotors! Methinks they're poseur rotors. Slotted to get rid of water? Lemme see, check out the psi of a puck squeezing down. Will water stay? No frigging way, and if a few drops do make it thru the big squeeze, instant vapor from the heat. The only advantage I can see with slots or holes is more surface area to dissapate heat, but then there's less surface area to scrub off speed. If OEM rotors are slotted, grooved, or drilled, than I assume the engineers compensated properly. As for wear and tear on the pucks? Driving style has more to do with that than rotor style. Hot doggies go thru tires and brakes. Old fart cruisers don't. Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > Brian, I think he means "slotted" rotors vs. the > rotors getting grooved. > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 09:54:54 2000 Return-Path: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23183 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:54:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000223145545.11779.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:55:45 PST Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:55:45 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake rotors and Pups.. To: Bill Huson Cc: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The theory is the slots or holes (for drilled rotors) vent the gases created from the friction of the pads against the rotors. Don't know if actually works or not but it sure does look cool. :-) Glenn --- Bill Huson wrote: > Ah yes, slotted rotors! Methinks they're poseur > rotors. Slotted to get > rid of water? Lemme see, check out the psi of a > puck squeezing down. > Will water stay? No frigging way, and if a few > drops do make it thru > the big squeeze, instant vapor from the heat. The > only advantage I can > see with slots or holes is more surface area to > dissapate heat, but then > there's less surface area to scrub off speed. If > OEM rotors are > slotted, grooved, or drilled, than I assume the > engineers compensated > properly. > > As for wear and tear on the pucks? Driving style > has more to do with > that than rotor style. Hot doggies go thru tires > and brakes. Old fart > cruisers don't. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 10:03:59 2000 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23375 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:03:58 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.43.14b3af5 (4444) for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:03:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43.14b3af5.25e550ba@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:03:22 EST Subject: Re: Brake rotors and Pups.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 In a message dated 2/23/00 9:44:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << Old fart cruisers don't. >> Neither do young fart cruisers. Unless you're Collin. ;) Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 10:06:40 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23466 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12121 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:06:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:06:26 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Brake rotors and Pups.. In-Reply-To: <38B3F176.70B1CD85@patriot.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > Ah yes, slotted rotors! Methinks they're poseur rotors. snip > The only advantage I can see with slots or holes is more surface area > to dissapate heat, but then there's less surface area to scrub off > speed. If OEM rotors are slotted, grooved, or drilled, than I assume > the engineers compensated properly. Heat's the problem. Most rotors nowadays have holes in them - cruisers, sport bikes, dirt bikes, cheap bikes, expensive bikes, etc come equipped with this type of rotor. The engineers must think something good about those holes cause they all use them... Aftermarket performance rotors are also vented. Swept area is easy to come by but heat dissipation is not. > As for wear and tear on the pucks? Driving style has more to do with > that than rotor style. Hot doggies go thru tires and brakes. Old fart > cruisers don't. The parts that come on bikes that "hot doggies" are likely to ride will be oriented towards performance while the parts that come on "old fart cruiser" bikes are not. Performance parts just don't generally last long. The funny thing is what a small percentage of the performance most "hot doggie" riders get out of their bikes. They'd be better off buying the less performance oriented machine and learning how to ride well instead... They'd go through a lot fewer brake pads, tires, plastic pieces, etc. :) On the other hand, all those "unnecessary" sport bikes fuel the R&D departments and lead to some really neat bikes (R1, R6, RC51, etc). Kirk (sitting at home bored avoiding whatever insanity occured on the beltway north of town this morning) 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 10:43:31 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24060 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12864 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:43:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:43:26 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Brake rotors and Pups.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Kirk Roy wrote: > Kirk (sitting at home bored avoiding whatever insanity occured on the > beltway north of town this morning) eh? What happened? -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 10:48:04 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24152 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15778 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:47:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:47:58 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Brake rotors and Pups.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Kirk Roy wrote: > > Kirk (sitting at home bored avoiding whatever insanity occured on the > > beltway north of town this morning) > > eh? > What happened? I went to get on the beltway at Rt 1 College Park and the beltway was backed up well past Rt 1. This generally means 1.5 hours or more to get to Rockville (including taking alternate routes). WTOP's web site reported "multiple accidents and fire department equipment" between 650 and 193. I turned around and went home... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 10:57:56 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24297 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13054; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:57:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:57:52 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Kirk Roy cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Brake rotors and Pups.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Kirk Roy wrote: > I went to get on the beltway at Rt 1 College Park and the beltway was > backed up well past Rt 1. This generally means 1.5 hours or more to > get to Rockville (including taking alternate routes). WTOP's web site > reported "multiple accidents and fire department equipment" between > 650 and 193. I turned around and went home... Blah, that's gotta suck. I take 95S to 495 over into Verginna, to 193W to Sterling. But, I normally leave home at 0430, and miss that mess. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 11:25:31 2000 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24733 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA06404; Wed, 23 Feb 1972 11:28:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1972 11:28:53 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Bill Huson cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: distilled water for battery--sleepy bike In-Reply-To: <38B3E469.9ABBC076@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Minor point, but sandpaper grit is non-conductive---may be better off using wire brush or knife blade. --garcia On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > Yes - distilled water only, although I have used tap water. The chems and > minerals in tap water *could* contaminate the battery fluid enough to cause > problems. Any grocery store - "distilled" water, not spring water. > > A few items to keep your battery in tune: One of those super-duper always-on > trickle chargers for motorsickle size batterys. A specific gravity checker - > like a hypo with a float inside. Volt/amp meter to check starting draw > etcetera. Sandpaper to clean connections. Conductive grease (see your friendly > electricion) to keep the connections from corroding. Strong legs to push-start > the bike when the *&%^$# battery takes a poop anyway. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 12:27:29 2000 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25836 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:27:28 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.79.1ac61da (4597) for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:26:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <79.1ac61da.25e57254@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:26:44 EST Subject: Brakes To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 With all this talk about brakes, it was interesting to read the latest issue of Motorcycle Consumer News. They explain why cruisers, with their lower center of gravity and longer wheelbase, often out-perform sportbikes in 60-0mph comparisons. Not to say that one type is better than the other. It's like comparing apples and oranges IMHO. BTW, if anyone's interesting in the article, I will try to figure out how to scan it and send it to you. Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 13:23:38 2000 Return-Path: t-a-w@XXXXXX Received: from web2901.mail.yahoo.com (web2901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.44]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26868 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7831 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2000 18:23:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000223182334.7830.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.231.153.231] by web2901.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:23:34 PST Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:23:34 -0800 (PST) From: taw Subject: RE: Chaps Recommendation needed To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does someone in the list have any suggestions for a good pair of chaps? Are custom made chaps the way to go or are there good retail Chaps available. I'd appreciate your feed-back on stores/styles. Thanks, Tom 99 Honda Shadow A.C.E __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 14:37:23 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28133 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.155.238.21 by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:37:16 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: Brake rotors Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:37:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf7e35$664e09a0$15ee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20000223145545.11779.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Oh.. oops. Well, since I just got 'taught' that too.. this is what MMI claims: Helps cooling slightly weight loss (in the MOST important area, unsprung weight) displaces water better And, yea.. they do look pretty cool too (everyone seems to agree with that). You do lose a small amount of surface area, but then again the engineers compensate by making the rotors larger in diameter. Look at it this way though - OEM rotors are typically holed/slotted. The aftermarket industry is shooting for something Better than OEM, and they're all slotted/holed... there must be something about them that works better than any other option currently available (at normal prices). Cheers, Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] > > The theory is the slots or holes (for drilled rotors) > vent the gases created from the friction of the pads > against the rotors. Don't know if actually works or > not but it sure does look cool. :-) > > Glenn > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > Ah yes, slotted rotors! Methinks they're poseur > > rotors. Slotted to get > > rid of water? From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 14:52:47 2000 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28376 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09055; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:52:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:52:37 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Brake rotors In-Reply-To: <000001bf7e35$664e09a0$15ee9bcf@tra> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you're trying to reduce weight by cross drilling the rotors, and you make them larger to increase surface area, haven't you just added back in the weight you just lost? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Brian McCoy wrote: > Oh.. oops. Well, since I just got 'taught' that too.. this is what MMI > claims: > > Helps cooling slightly > weight loss (in the MOST important area, unsprung weight) > displaces water better > > And, yea.. they do look pretty cool too (everyone seems to agree with that). > You do lose a small amount of surface area, but then again the engineers > compensate by making the rotors larger in diameter. > > Look at it this way though - OEM rotors are typically holed/slotted. The > aftermarket industry is shooting for something Better than OEM, and they're > all slotted/holed... there must be something about them that works better > than any other option currently available (at normal prices). > > Cheers, > > Brian McCoy > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] > > > > The theory is the slots or holes (for drilled rotors) > > vent the gases created from the friction of the pads > > against the rotors. Don't know if actually works or > > not but it sure does look cool. :-) > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > > Ah yes, slotted rotors! Methinks they're poseur > > > rotors. Slotted to get > > > rid of water? > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 15:03:18 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (fb00.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28554 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-54.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.182]) by fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29256 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:02:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38B467DB.314DA906@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:06:03 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Brakes References: <79.1ac61da.25e57254@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting... I believe the Jan 2000 issue of "Bike" (a Brit magazine, but not the zany guys like Fast Bikes, etc.) had a similar article about braking and made just the opposite claim. Hmmm... Chuck NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > With all this talk about brakes, it was interesting to read the latest issue > of Motorcycle Consumer News. They explain why cruisers, with their lower > center of gravity and longer wheelbase, often out-perform sportbikes in > 60-0mph comparisons. Not to say that one type is better than the other. It's > like comparing apples and oranges IMHO. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 15:07:08 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28644 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts014d40.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.238.196] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:06:04 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: Brake rotors Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:06:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bf7e39$6c2e42f0$15ee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Not really, because there's another factor involved here - cooling. You can drill a rotor to take off X ammount of weight, and increase the size Y (where X > Y ), and you'll achieve a small loss in weight, better cooling (which is where better breaking comes from with stock/street brake components). It's almost negigable... but they have shown that solid discs with solid pads CAN hydrolock and you lose a lot of your friction (and therefor braking). Ovbiously, I'm just reguritating info fed to me at MMI.. and that's about the best answers I can get. (apparently one of my instructors, Charlie Cavillo, designed some of the earliest disc brakes on british and japanese motorcycles.. or assisted with design, something along those lines. And judging by the 'creations' I've seen him ride to school, and the quality of information he delievered in class, I'm not about to doubt him or his word). Cheers all, Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Morris Berman [mailto:berman@XXXXXX] > > > If you're trying to reduce weight by cross drilling the rotors, and you > make them larger to increase surface area, haven't you just added back in > the weight you just lost? > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 15:22:20 2000 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28909 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:20:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Chaps Recommendation needed Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:20:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I picked up a pair of chaps at Rochester Custom Leather (sorry, no web address) years ago. Heavy leather, big zippers, four snaps at the boot level, apparently made in Pakistan ("Ultimate Creation by PLG" on the inside label). They kept my legs (mostly) warm as I rode in this morning. I'd think off the shelf is fine as long as you find a pair in the right length. I don't remember seeing any chaps at the bike dealerships, but maybe they have them at the HD shops? You can also try the Leather Rack at Dupont Circle, but you'd probably end up paying the fetish-usage mark-up. Not sure how that compares to the HD mark-up. (I'm carefully avoiding the urge to compare shopping at an S&M leather store with shopping at a Harley dealership. I've got friends that shop at both.) -Mark '83 V65 Magna > -----Original Message----- > From: taw [mailto:t-a-w@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 1:24 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Chaps Recommendation needed > > > Does someone in the list have any suggestions for a good pair > of chaps? > Are custom made chaps the way to go or are there good retail Chaps > available. I'd appreciate your feed-back on stores/styles. > Thanks, > Tom > 99 Honda Shadow A.C.E > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 15:52:43 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29382 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-167.patriot.net [209.249.180.167]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA10903; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:52:29 -0500 Message-ID: <38B4480C.2E53DA1A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:50:20 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garcia Oliver CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: distilled water for battery--sleepy bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ultra-minor point - use the sandpaper to scuff the corrosion off the terminals, not as a installed part of the terminal assembly. Bill Garcia Oliver wrote: > Minor point, but sandpaper grit is non-conductive---may be better off > using wire brush or knife blade. > > --garcia > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > > > Yes - distilled water only, although I have used tap water. The chems and > > minerals in tap water *could* contaminate the battery fluid enough to cause > > problems. Any grocery store - "distilled" water, not spring water. > > > > A few items to keep your battery in tune: One of those super-duper always-on > > trickle chargers for motorsickle size batterys. A specific gravity checker - > > like a hypo with a float inside. Volt/amp meter to check starting draw > > etcetera. Sandpaper to clean connections. Conductive grease (see your friendly > > electricion) to keep the connections from corroding. Strong legs to push-start > > the bike when the *&%^$# battery takes a poop anyway. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 16:06:36 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29624 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-167.patriot.net [209.249.180.167]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA13307; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:06:30 -0500 Message-ID: <38B44B55.A6D3112B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:04:21 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake rotors References: <000201bf7e39$6c2e42f0$15ee9bcf@tra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And there's other factors - stopping requires conversion of kinetic energy to heat energy. The bigger the rotor the more mass to absorb heat! I would certainly be willing to sacrfice a few ounces of unsprung weight to stop quicker. And then there's *style*. Slotting - drilling - grooving advantages are very incremental, but they sure do look cool! Back to the above heat deal - the front exposed rotors on my machine are an alloy which doesn't rust much so they will look shiny and *cool*. The rear rotor, buried behind bags and shocks, is iron. To save a few bucks? Nooooo, because iron absorbs more heat that the semi-stainless rotors. Ergo, more efficient. Solution - two bigass rotors on the front, which has to take most the brake load anyway. Bill Brian McCoy wrote: > Not really, because there's another factor involved here - cooling. You can > drill a rotor to take off X ammount of weight, and increase the size Y > (where X > Y ), and you'll achieve a small loss in weight, better cooling > (which is where better breaking comes from with stock/street brake > components). It's almost negigable... but they have shown that solid discs > with solid pads CAN hydrolock and you lose a lot of your friction (and > therefor braking). > > Ovbiously, I'm just reguritating info fed to me at MMI.. and that's about > the best answers I can get. (apparently one of my instructors, Charlie > Cavillo, designed some of the earliest disc brakes on british and japanese > motorcycles.. or assisted with design, something along those lines. And > judging by the 'creations' I've seen him ride to school, and the quality of > information he delievered in class, I'm not about to doubt him or his word). > > Cheers all, > > Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 16:09:11 2000 Return-Path: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Received: from bastion3.mail.sprint.com (bastion3.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29644 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion3.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:08:16 -0600 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:08:05 -0600 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01m [144.224.249.75]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17530 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:08:04 -0600 (CST) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA28949 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:08:03 -0500 (EST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:08:03 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Dead batteries TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-126cf9c6-00000001" --openmail-part-126cf9c6-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi there, You're lucky. I rode my bike back in late December during a short warm spell and it turned over just fine. Went to turn it on last week and nada. Battery died. And it wasn't even a cheap battery. It was a Yuasa (or however it's spelled.) I'm thinking of buying a battery from Walmart for something like $25 bucks. Do you guys thinks it's worth the trouble? My batteries last less than 2 years as it is. FYI: The bike sits outside all year around and only gets ridden during mild to warm months and even then, that's mostly on the weekends. - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD ***************************************** -Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:21:25 +0000 To: "Tom Zell" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re:Bike & Puppies Ok, ok, it's been more than a few weeks. I know, I'm a loser, no longer a die-hard. : ( Now, SHHH! Let me believe what I want to on the list! ; ) At 11:10 AM 2/22/00 -0500, Tom Zell wrote: >A few weeks since it's been started?? Uh... try more like December! Needless >to say.... I was VERY surprised! > >Folks! PLEASE!!! Come check out our puppies! We need to find good homes for >them! > >Tom >'86 VFR750 > - Jeannette L. Zell '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --openmail-part-126cf9c6-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 16:48:01 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00394 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts014d40.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.238.196] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:47:55 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: Brake rotors Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:48:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bf7e47$a73bdfc0$15ee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <38B44B55.A6D3112B@patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > And there's other factors - stopping requires conversion of > kinetic energy to > heat energy. The bigger the rotor the more mass to absorb heat! I would > certainly be willing to sacrfice a few ounces of unsprung weight to stop > quicker. hrm.. if I even try to use all the braking ability of my front rotors, I tend to lift the rear tire off the ground (or lock up the front wheel). Do we REALLY need better/more brakes when the limiting factor is the friction between the tire and the road anyway? > > And then there's *style*. Slotting - drilling - grooving > advantages are very > incremental, but they sure do look cool! > The rear rotor, buried behind bags > and shocks, is > iron. To save a few bucks? Nooooo, because iron absorbs more > heat that the > semi-stainless rotors. Ergo, more efficient. How many people buy motorcycles based on how the look? Ok, lets focus on longevity - how long do you think an iron rotor (that rusts constantally in humid areas) lasts compaired to stainless steel? And what do you think the racers put on their bikes when they upgrade rotors? I still maintain what I said above though - do you Really need more brakes when what you have can already break the traction between the tire and the road? Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 16:49:13 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00404 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15447 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:49:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:49:07 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Dead batteries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, ursulina viteri wrote: > I'm thinking of buying a battery from Walmart for something like $25 > bucks. Do you guys thinks it's worth the trouble? My batteries last > less than 2 years as it is. WalMart sells Yuasa batteries with their sticker on them. I'm not sure if this applies to all of their batteries but the sealed one I bought was a Yuasa. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 16:59:08 2000 Return-Path: stevied@XXXXXX Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00577 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11762; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:59:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38B45850.85BF2D66@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:59:44 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ursulina viteri , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Dead batteries References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ursulina, Go ahead and get the cheap battery. To make it last longer than a year or two check out, http://www.batterytender.com Hook one of those to your battery, and all you'll have to do is check it's water, for longer battery life. I just love mine. Year 3, same battery, and still going strong. Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org ursulina viteri wrote: > Hi there, > > You're lucky. I rode my bike back in late December during a short > warm spell and it turned over just fine. Went to turn it on last week > and nada. Battery died. And it wasn't even a cheap battery. It was a > Yuasa (or however it's spelled.) > > I'm thinking of buying a battery from Walmart for something like $25 > bucks. Do you guys thinks it's worth the trouble? My batteries last > less than 2 years as it is. > > FYI: The bike sits outside all year around and only gets ridden > during mild to warm months and even then, that's mostly on the weekends. > > - - Ursulina > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD > ***************************************** > -Sender: jzell@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:21:25 +0000 > To: "Tom Zell" , > "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > From: Jeannette Zell > Subject: Re:Bike & Puppies > > Ok, ok, it's been more than a few weeks. I know, I'm a loser, no longer > a > die-hard. : ( > Now, SHHH! Let me believe what I want to on the list! ; ) > > At 11:10 AM 2/22/00 -0500, Tom Zell wrote: > >A few weeks since it's been started?? Uh... try more like December! > Needless > >to say.... I was VERY surprised! > > > >Folks! PLEASE!!! Come check out our puppies! We need to find good > homes for > >them! > > > >Tom > >'86 VFR750 > > > > - Jeannette L. Zell > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 17:07:08 2000 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00779 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 24 Feb 2000 00:57:09 UT Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:03 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Dead batteries Message-ID: <2000022317064756-1ab9ac16@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Screw the Yuasa battery... they always die. I've had nothing but good luck with Walmart's batteries (even starts my 11.0 VFR motor when the temp is near 0 deg). The batteries that I got from them were from Exide. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Dead batteries Author: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) Date: 02/23/2000 4:49 PM On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, ursulina viteri wrote: > I'm thinking of buying a battery from Walmart for something like $25 > bucks. Do you guys thinks it's worth the trouble? My batteries last > less than 2 years as it is. WalMart sells Yuasa batteries with their sticker on them. I'm not sure if this applies to all of their batteries but the sealed one I bought was a Yuasa. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 17:11:21 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00795 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:11:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-167.patriot.net [209.249.180.167]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA24304; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:11:14 -0500 Message-ID: <38B45A81.38654B77@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:09:05 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake rotors References: <000401bf7e47$a73bdfc0$15ee9bcf@tra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A) Almot evryone buys a motorcycle for the *look*. At least a look they like. B) Tire traction v brakes. Yes, once the tire slides you be in trouble, but I'll bet - ask your pro, Brian - that *better* brakes are ones that convert kinetic energy to heat faster while not locking the wheels. Example: Yes, I can lock my wheels, but the Hawg has a rep for *soft* brakes. The usual aftermarket fix if one is bothered by that is more puck power. Bigger calipers. And maybe different rotors if one has the more buck power. Bottom line - I think every manufacturor designs brakes the best they know how, for the particular bike. They spend money and time doing this. I seriously doubt that they're far off base for average use. Therefore, whatever my steed has on it stays, save for routine maintenance. Bill Brian McCoy wrote: > > hrm.. if I even try to use all the braking ability of my front rotors, I > tend to lift the rear tire off the ground (or lock up the front wheel). Do > we REALLY need better/more brakes when the limiting factor is the friction > between the tire and the road anyway? > > >How many people buy motorcycles based on how the look? Ok, lets focus on > longevity - how long do you think an iron rotor (that rusts constantally in > humid areas) lasts compaired to stainless steel? And what do you think the > racers put on their bikes when they upgrade rotors? > > I still maintain what I said above though - do you Really need more brakes > when what you have can already break the traction between the tire and the > road? > > Cheers, > > Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 17:13:51 2000 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00871 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA23019 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:13:44 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:02:37 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF7E1F.C9652C00.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: RE: Dead batteries Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:02:36 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I too, recommend the Battery Tender. It may even help with your existing battery, I used it to resurrect my last one when I thought it was dead. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Steven C. Di Pietro [SMTP:stevied@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 5:00 PM To: ursulina viteri; D.C.Cycles-L Subject: Re: Dead batteries Ursulina, Go ahead and get the cheap battery. To make it last longer than a year or two check out, http://www.batterytender.com Hook one of those to your battery, and all you'll have to do is check it's water, for longer battery life. I just love mine. Year 3, same battery, and still going strong. Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 17:34:43 2000 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01194 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:34:34 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.19.1602bd4 (4557); Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:33:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19.1602bd4.25e5ba4c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:33:48 EST Subject: Re: Chaps Recommendation needed To: t-a-w@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 In a message dated 2/23/2000 1:25:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, t-a-w@XXXXXX writes: << Does someone in the list have any suggestions for a good pair of chaps? Are custom made chaps the way to go or are there good retail Chaps available. I'd appreciate your feed-back on stores/styles. Thanks, Tom 99 Honda Shadow A.C.E >> Check out Colleen's website. www.leatherexchange.com I believe she has some for sale. Couldn't recommend any particular brand though. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 18:16:50 2000 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01944 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id SAA02191; Wed, 23 Feb 1972 18:20:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1972 18:20:17 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Bill Huson cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pissing contest ;-) was: distilled water for battery--sleepy bike In-Reply-To: <38B4480C.2E53DA1A@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good idea not to install sandpaper; thanks for the heads-up. But abrasive comes off sandpaper and embeds in the soft lead. Does it make any practical difference? I doubt it, but why discover otherwise? Moving right along, what do you think about cleaning spark plugs with sandpaper? --garcia "It's less important to be right than to get in the last word." --garcia On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > Ultra-minor point - use the sandpaper to scuff the corrosion off the terminals, not > as a installed part of the terminal assembly. > > Bill > > Garcia Oliver wrote: > > > Minor point, but sandpaper grit is non-conductive---may be better off > > using wire brush or knife blade. > > > > --garcia > > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > > > > > Yes - distilled water only, although I have used tap water. The chems and > > > minerals in tap water *could* contaminate the battery fluid enough to cause > > > problems. Any grocery store - "distilled" water, not spring water. > > > > > > A few items to keep your battery in tune: One of those super-duper always-on > > > trickle chargers for motorsickle size batterys. A specific gravity checker - > > > like a hypo with a float inside. Volt/amp meter to check starting draw > > > etcetera. Sandpaper to clean connections. Conductive grease (see your friendly > > > electricion) to keep the connections from corroding. Strong legs to push-start > > > the bike when the *&%^$# battery takes a poop anyway. > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 18:39:07 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02233 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19793; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:38:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:38:48 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Garcia Oliver cc: Bill Huson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pissing contest ;-) was: distilled water for battery--sleepy bike In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As opposed to corrosion? Garcia: You've got lack of clue. Listen to those that do. On Wed, 23 Feb 1972, Garcia Oliver wrote: > Good idea not to install sandpaper; thanks for the heads-up. But abrasive > comes off sandpaper and embeds in the soft lead. Does it make any > practical difference? I doubt it, but why discover otherwise? > > Moving right along, what do you think about cleaning spark plugs with > sandpaper? > > > --garcia > > "It's less important to be right than to get in the last word." --garcia > > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > > > Ultra-minor point - use the sandpaper to scuff the corrosion off the terminals, not > > as a installed part of the terminal assembly. > > > > Bill > > > > Garcia Oliver wrote: > > > > > Minor point, but sandpaper grit is non-conductive---may be better off > > > using wire brush or knife blade. > > > > > > --garcia > > > > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > > > > > > > Yes - distilled water only, although I have used tap water. The chems and > > > > minerals in tap water *could* contaminate the battery fluid enough to cause > > > > problems. Any grocery store - "distilled" water, not spring water. > > > > > > > > A few items to keep your battery in tune: One of those super-duper always-on > > > > trickle chargers for motorsickle size batterys. A specific gravity checker - > > > > like a hypo with a float inside. Volt/amp meter to check starting draw > > > > etcetera. Sandpaper to clean connections. Conductive grease (see your friendly > > > > electricion) to keep the connections from corroding. Strong legs to push-start > > > > the bike when the *&%^$# battery takes a poop anyway. > > > > > > > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 19:02:56 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02662 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-167.patriot.net [209.249.180.167]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA05727; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:02:46 -0500 Message-ID: <38B474A6.428FBBE3@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:00:38 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garcia Oliver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pissing contest ;-) was: distilled water for battery--sleepy bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I'm stuck in East Bugsplat with a fouled plug I'll clean that with anything that has teeth. Sandpaper, nail file, pocket knife. If I have spares or can get them, I toss the plugs. They're cheap - not worth spending time to clean. As for abrasives on batterys - gee, been cleaning battery terminals for nigh onto 40 years now and I've never had a *bad* experinace with grit stuck in the lead. I must be one lucky dude. Bill Garcia Oliver wrote: > Good idea not to install sandpaper; thanks for the heads-up. But abrasive > comes off sandpaper and embeds in the soft lead. Does it make any > practical difference? I doubt it, but why discover otherwise? > > Moving right along, what do you think about cleaning spark plugs with > sandpaper? > > --garcia > > "It's less important to be right than to get in the last word." --garcia > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > > > Ultra-minor point - use the sandpaper to scuff the corrosion off the terminals, not > > as a installed part of the terminal assembly. > > > > Bill > > > > Garcia Oliver wrote: > > > > > Minor point, but sandpaper grit is non-conductive---may be better off > > > using wire brush or knife blade. > > > > > > --garcia > > > > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > > > > > > > Yes - distilled water only, although I have used tap water. The chems and > > > > minerals in tap water *could* contaminate the battery fluid enough to cause > > > > problems. Any grocery store - "distilled" water, not spring water. > > > > > > > > A few items to keep your battery in tune: One of those super-duper always-on > > > > trickle chargers for motorsickle size batterys. A specific gravity checker - > > > > like a hypo with a float inside. Volt/amp meter to check starting draw > > > > etcetera. Sandpaper to clean connections. Conductive grease (see your friendly > > > > electricion) to keep the connections from corroding. Strong legs to push-start > > > > the bike when the *&%^$# battery takes a poop anyway. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 19:17:48 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02931 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-167.patriot.net [209.249.180.167]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA07443 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:17:44 -0500 Message-ID: <38B47828.F3F84CA6@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:15:36 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hot Dang! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Temp was more than my age today, so I unhooked the battery tender and pushed the Hawg into the sun. Had to cahse the cat off the seat and brush the brush the spider webs off the bike, and than Varoommm! We be riding, yahooo! Chugged up Braddock and east on Duke to I-395. The spiders living in my air cleaner are hanging on. Down the onramp, check for traffic - clear - TWIST IT! eeeeeeeeeeee.... (spider screams) Yep, the EVO sucked those spiders up, snorted, backfired a couple times, and spit thier crispy-crittered bods out the pipes. Been running smooth ever since. Only prob is a really pissed off cat. I mean she like *claimed* the seat for a nap spot and I had the unmitigated gall to take it away. She's not speaking to me. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 19:43:23 2000 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web502.mail.yahoo.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03319 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21913 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2000 00:43:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000224004320.21912.qmail@web502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.210] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:43:20 PST Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:43:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: EBC Brake rotors To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anybody know where I can mail order some EBC rotors from? EBC's website doesn't allow for that or mention where I could find them. TIA. -- tg 900RR/TBR/APK __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 19:51:12 2000 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web503.mail.yahoo.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03481 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4497 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2000 00:51:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000224005105.4496.qmail@web503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.210] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:51:05 PST Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:51:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Chaps Recommendation needed To: taw , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- taw wrote: > Does someone in the list have any suggestions for a > good pair of chaps? Any pair that shows off a big hairy ass, of course!! ;) > Are custom made chaps the way to go or are there > good retail Chaps available. I'd appreciate your > feed-back on stores/styles. Battley Cycles in Gaithersburg, MD (off Airpark Road) has all kind of this stuff....and they carry high quality products. I'd check them out. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 19:57:14 2000 Return-Path: peggrinder@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03558 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from rr (user158.anent.com [208.195.115.158]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA00793 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:56:12 -0500 Message-ID: <001901bf7e62$c8bbaa20$9e73c3d0@rr> From: "peggrinder" To: Subject: Re: Leathers and boots for sale Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:02:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF7E38.DEB78260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF7E38.DEB78260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The suit fits a person in sizes from about 5' 6" - 5' 10" .. .. .. 140 - 170 lbs...or so .. .. Boots are like a 9 - = 10 size .. .. incase the european size exchange had you wondering. --- peggrinder wrote: > Ok...since no one bought these last go around....and > it's getting close to > riding season for most of you all..... > How about $225... > This decent stuff I no longer have a need for it, > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: peggrinder > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 3:24 PM > Subject: Leathers and boots for sale... >=20 >=20 > > AGV SPORT ...1 piece leathers with matching > boots.... > > suit is white/blue with black....size 54 > > boots are blue and green...size 10-11 > > > > Suit and boots have never been down, right boot > has scuffing on the ankle > > slider.. > > > > $300......takes then both... > > ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF7E38.DEB78260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF7E38.DEB78260-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 23 22:32:09 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA06006 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14247 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2000 03:32:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000224033205.14246.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:32:05 PST Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:32:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/23/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn.... 3Kb.... I think that is an all time record low size for a DCC digest!!! hehehehe ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 00:38:04 2000 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA07962 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 00:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA11701; Thu, 24 Feb 1972 00:41:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1972 00:41:33 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Bill Huson cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pissing contest ;-) was: distilled water for battery--sleepy bike In-Reply-To: <38B474A6.428FBBE3@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Who am I to argue with nigh onto 40 years of successful sanding? --garcia "Before arguing with a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets mad you're a mile away and he's barefoot." On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > [snip] > As for abrasives on batterys - gee, been cleaning battery terminals for nigh onto 40 > years now and I've never had a *bad* experinace with grit stuck in the lead. I must be > one lucky dude. > > Bill > > > > Garcia Oliver wrote: > > > Good idea not to install sandpaper; thanks for the heads-up. But abrasive > > comes off sandpaper and embeds in the soft lead. Does it make any > > practical difference? I doubt it, but why discover otherwise? > > > > Moving right along, what do you think about cleaning spark plugs with > > sandpaper? > > > > --garcia > > > > "It's less important to be right than to get in the last word." --garcia > > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > > > > > Ultra-minor point - use the sandpaper to scuff the corrosion off the terminals, not > > > as a installed part of the terminal assembly. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Garcia Oliver wrote: > > > > > > > Minor point, but sandpaper grit is non-conductive---may be better off > > > > using wire brush or knife blade. > > > > > > > > --garcia > > > > > > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes - distilled water only, although I have used tap water. The chems and > > > > > minerals in tap water *could* contaminate the battery fluid enough to cause > > > > > problems. Any grocery store - "distilled" water, not spring water. > > > > > > > > > > A few items to keep your battery in tune: One of those super-duper always-on > > > > > trickle chargers for motorsickle size batterys. A specific gravity checker - > > > > > like a hypo with a float inside. Volt/amp meter to check starting draw > > > > > etcetera. Sandpaper to clean connections. Conductive grease (see your friendly > > > > > electricion) to keep the connections from corroding. Strong legs to push-start > > > > > the bike when the *&%^$# battery takes a poop anyway. > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 08:55:17 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17039 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1Z6FVD0G>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:55:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: EBC Brake rotors Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:55:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Try http://www.ferodobraketech.com. They might not carry EBC, but they do carry PFM and their own stuff of course. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 7:43 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: EBC Brake rotors > > Anybody know where I can mail order some EBC rotors > from? EBC's website doesn't allow for that or mention > where I could find them. TIA. > > > -- > tg > 900RR/TBR/APK > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 09:41:18 2000 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [208.36.117.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17684 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:41:17 -0500 (EST) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28057 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:45:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200002241445.JAA28057@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:41:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Speaking of batterys... Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) I am also in the market for a new battery for both of my bikes. The FZR's battery seems to work fine, and then all of a sudden it loses all of it's power over what seems like a three hour period. It is ALWAYS due to the acid/water level in the battery being low. However, when I fill each of the little chambers up, it is back to full power ( for a while- about three weeks). The Vespa battery on the other hand, doesn't hold a charge for more than 6 hrs. I need to kick start it before any ride, but then if I ride it more than 30 min, it has charged itself up enough to power the electric starter from then on. I think it went bad while sitting out in the towing lot over the last 6 months. I've charges it for ~12 hrs. & checked the fluid level in it, but it just seems tired. My question is: Are there any advanteges over sealed batteries vs. the refillable kind? Any thoughts? Preferences? Thanks! -John From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 09:43:20 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17749 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05722 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28143 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04553 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:43:10 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000224094120.00be5870@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:42:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Theft Ring Alert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From the Newgroups: Subject: Attn: DC area riders!!! Theft ring alert. From: Inf DS Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike Hey guys and gals, I just got off the phone talking with the detective trying to find my bike. He said it was the second bike in two days. He told me that usually when this happens, 8-10 bikes disappear at a time. A group will go around and get as many as they can in a short period of time. Disc locks will not help a 600cc bike, two guys pick it up and put it in a van or pick-up. Then they can work on the lock at will. Unfortunately, he also said that the chances of finding it are almost nil. So the best I can do is warn the rest of you guys. I just saw a guy on a VFR at Giant, and I gave him this same warning. Like the man said on 'Hill Street Blues', "Let's be careful out there." For you Gen-Xers, that was a cop show before 'NYPD Blue'. Todd ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org There are three types of people in this world. Those who can count and those who can't. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 10:11:37 2000 Return-Path: cbxturbo@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18228 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-134-142.s396.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.134.142] helo=cbxturbo) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12NzuJ-0007DI-00; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:10:26 -0500 Message-ID: <009c01bf7ed9$fb2d0d60$8e86a4d8@cbxturbo> From: "Swifty" To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" , "'Tom Gimer'" , References: Subject: Re: EBC Brake rotors Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:15:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 For EBC stuff call John @ 301 897 0050 (Myers Cycle) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 10:13:45 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18293 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6177 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2000 15:13:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000224151341.6176.qmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:13:41 PST Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:13:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Hmmmmmmmm....... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmmm... No wonder yesterday's digest was so small....something was wrong with it...Just peering at Morris' archive I see that I missed more than one big thread ;-) oh well *sigh* I'll piece it all together ;-) Collin *groan* exam in a coupla hours... and it ain't gonna be pretty! ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 11:06:43 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19179 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06228 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26644 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04667 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:06:34 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000224110611.00be0220@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:06:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Glad I don't ride downtown.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Faulty Underground Wiring Sends Another D.C. Manhole Into the Air For the second time in less than a week, a blast has caused a manhole cover in the District to go hurling into the air. This latest incident occurred Wednesday night at the intersection of 10th and L Sts., NW. PEPCO officials say this incident was not related to Friday's Georgetown blasts that sent six manholes into the air. This episode, PEPCO said, was caused by a bad connection between two high voltage wires that caused a spark. DC Councilman Jack Evans questioned whether the city's underground infrastructure is getting too old. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org There are three types of people in this world. Those who can count and those who can't. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 11:52:53 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19819 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06495 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12021 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:52:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:52:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200002241152.AA137298588@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Troutman Subject: Re: Glad I don't ride downtown.... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman >Faulty Underground Wiring Sends Another D.C. Manhole Into the Air That's another reason not to ride over manhole covers. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 13:42:27 2000 Return-Path: alarix@XXXXXX Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21526 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [168.191.20.93] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP157.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.93]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26632 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:42:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200002241842.KAA26632@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:37:25 -0500 Subject: VROOOOOOM From: "Marcy" To: DC Cycles Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit :D I RODE TODAY! :D it's been almost three months! between my insane work schedule, the fact that I work at home, and the fact that I needed a new battery, the poor bike's been sitting there the last 2 1/2 months. :( but this morning I got the new battery finally, installed it, and took off (blowing off work for a little while) down 395S then the parkway into Old Town, quick u-turn and back home - short but oh so sweet. I did about 75-80 the whole way, my head screaming to me "GIVE ME A TICKET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" there was almost no traffic too ..... and lucky for me - no cops. I'm feelin' verrrrrry happy right about now. =========== Marcy CB-1 400F "You can sleep when you're dead." From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 16:50:23 2000 Return-Path: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.58.59]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24364 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dawnjon (LAURB303-08.splitrock.net [209.252.77.54]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA1209052; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:50:07 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01bf7ee6$ce00ccc0$364dfcd1@dawnjon> From: "Jon Schumer" To: , "DC Cycles" References: <200002241445.JAA28057@bmdo.mcri.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of batterys... Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:47:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > I am also in the market for a new battery for both of my bikes. The > FZR's battery seems to work fine, and then all of a sudden it loses > all of it's power over what seems like a three hour period. It is > ALWAYS due to the acid/water level in the battery being low. > However, when I fill each of the little chambers up, it is back to full > power ( for a while- about three weeks). > -John John, The FZR has a bad voltage regulator problem and those are signs of one going bad. It's overcharging the battery and boiling it. If you have a volt meter, I can tell you how to check it really quick. I think the part is about $60. Email me if you need any help. Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 19:08:59 2000 Return-Path: jmherman@XXXXXX Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (c004-h007.c004.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.63]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA26349 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 20321 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2000 16:08:08 -0800 Received: from 1Cust140.tnt2.washington.dc.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.10.42.140) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2000 16:08:08 -0800 X-Sent: 25 Feb 2000 00:08:08 GMT Message-ID: <003901bf7f24$65fea280$8c2a0a3f@oemcomputer> From: "John Herman" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Need info on a good local bike shop! Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:07:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01BF7EFA.71AAB580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BF7EFA.71AAB580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am new to the area and I need some parts to get my bike running = for the upcoming spring fever (which I have already caught). Could = someone kindly point me to a decent local bike shop that I could find = parts for an 83 Kawasaki KZ-750. Thanks! John M. 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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BF7EFA.71AAB580-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 19:46:33 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA26928 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9274 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2000 00:46:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000225004629.9273.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:46:29 PST Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:46:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: EBC brakes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom, Take a look at http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ Fred Renz is the primary US importer and distributor of PFM brake products.... from what I've seen about them, they are a bit better than the EBC pro-lights... but either way you go you'll be doing well... Neither are cheap though :( Talking to some other racers who were sponsered by him (offered it to me, I just couldn't use aftermarket brakes in my class last season), Fred is a real easy going guy to deal with and sells good stuff. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 22:12:55 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29098 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:12:54 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id p.4e.21fe72b (4333); Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:12:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4e.21fe72b.25e74d11@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:12:17 EST Subject: Re: Need info on a good local bike shop! To: jmherman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 2/24/00 7:18:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmherman@XXXXXX writes: > Hi, I am new to the area and I need some parts to get my bike running for > the upcoming spring fever (which I have already caught). Could someone > kindly point me to a decent local bike shop that I could find parts for an 83 > Kawasaki KZ-750. Thanks! I don't know too much about the remaining Kawasaki dealers in the area (Kawi pulled licenses due to their policy of not supporting publicly held companies from Coleman (who cares) and CycleSport (serious bummer)). There's one in Manasas according to Kawi's website, and a couple in MD. Look at http://www.kawasaki.com/locator/index.html to see what's near you. Anyone have any experience with any of these places? - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 22:17:41 2000 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29174 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:17:40 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.19.169be5b (3854) for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:16:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19.169be5b.25e74e26@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:16:54 EST Subject: Weekend rides!!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 C'mon guys!?! 71 degrees today and continuing through the weekend, and no post for rides?!?! GOOD GOD MAN, SHAKE OFF THE WINTER'S CHILL! It wasn't that bad. I'm up for leading a ride on Saturday or Sunday, from short to long. Pipe up and let me know which day is better. I've 'retired' so to speak, from the restaurant buisness, and gotten a 9-5'er. (Systems Analyst for UUNET. Yum!) Weekends are now free and I aim to put a few more miles under my belt during the prime season. C'mon on out. I'll post tomorrow afternoon as to the details of the ride, pending the results of this email. Email to the list, or to me privately. Yee-ha! -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F eternity23@XXXXXX -home sjordan@XXXXXX - work From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 22:28:07 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29338 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (216-164-137-36.s290.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.137.36]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05730 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:27:30 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000224222352.00af9100@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:24:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Weekend rides!!!! In-Reply-To: <19.169be5b.25e74e26@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:16 PM 2/24/2000 , Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >C'mon guys!?! 71 degrees today and continuing through the weekend, and no >post for rides?!?! GOOD GOD MAN, SHAKE OFF THE WINTER'S CHILL! Careful on those high speed back roads. Lots of loose sand and lost skills to contend with....for those of you that waited until it was warmer than your age to ride ;-) _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 23:15:12 2000 Return-Path: FGrefe@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00153 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:15:10 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.43.15ff63c (4400) for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:14:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43.15ff63c.25e75baa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:14:34 EST Subject: Re: Weekend rides!!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 I'm probably going to head down to the grand opening (relocation) party for MotoEuropa in Richmond on Sat. morning. It starts at 10am, but that's about the time I plan on waking up. If anyone's interested in going, I'll be leaving from Manassas around 10:30 - 11:00. No plans for Sunday yet. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 23:18:23 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00172 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:18:21 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.37.1cb6475 (4333); Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:17:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <37.1cb6475.25e75c65@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:17:41 EST Subject: Re: Weekend rides!!!! To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 I'm up for it... I took a rather long lunch today and that didn't even help :) Saturday is supposed to be better than Sunday, high near 60, whereas Sunday it's supposed to rain :( - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 24 23:20:44 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00245 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.16.1542f73 (4333) for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:20:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <16.1542f73.25e75cf9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:20:09 EST Subject: Re: Weekend rides!!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 2/24/00 10:30:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > ...for those of you that waited until it was warmer than > your age to ride ;-) Sorry Mike, some of us just can't use that temperature vs. IQ method. ::duck:: ;) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 02:26:21 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02905 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts015d41.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.238.245] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:26:14 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: batteries Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:26:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bf7f61$a4e50150$f5ee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Jon... Sounds like your reg/rec is going bad on the hawk (or whatever keeps losing water in the battery. You might want to run some simple diagnostics on the charging system to make sure all's in order (sucks to find out 100 miles from home.. Collin's not around to make emergency pick-ups anymore). As for the vespa - dude, those batteries are like $20, time to replace it. As for basic battery info: Regular type (cheapies found everywhere) - they do the job ok - but require a lot of maintence (water level, watch out for sulphate buildup) Low-maint. (the typical $50 replacement for MCs) - These have more cranking power, tend to last awhile longer and need less frequent water replacement. Maint. free (found on the newer high-performance bikes) - these have different electrolyte and plates, about the same cranking power as the low-maint batteries, but never need water replacement (due to recombiant technology) and are the way to go on ANY bike if you're planning on keeping it for awhile. Typically about $150 Then there are new technology batteries about the size of 3 D-cell batteries that can operate your MC for virtually forever (noone has info on longevity), but you're looking at $2500 for one of these babies... Cheers, Brian McCoy - MMI student with a 99% gpa (guess I'm retaining info) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 04:55:51 2000 Return-Path: jmherman@XXXXXX Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (c004-h007.c004.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.63]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA05044 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 25859 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2000 01:55:17 -0800 Received: from 1Cust59.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.20.240.59) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2000 01:55:17 -0800 X-Sent: 25 Feb 2000 09:55:17 GMT Message-ID: <002601bf7f76$6c451b40$3bf0143f@oemcomputer> From: "John Herman" To: , References: <4e.21fe72b.25e74d11@aol.com> Subject: Re: Need info on a good local bike shop! Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:55:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Thanks for the link, it appears that Free State Kawasaki in Capital Heights, MD is the closest for me. Thanks everyone who helped. Have a good ride this weekend. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Need info on a good local bike shop! > In a message dated 2/24/00 7:18:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jmherman@XXXXXX writes: > > > Hi, I am new to the area and I need some parts to get my bike running for > > the upcoming spring fever (which I have already caught). Could someone > > kindly point me to a decent local bike shop that I could find parts for an > 83 > > Kawasaki KZ-750. Thanks! > > I don't know too much about the remaining Kawasaki dealers in the area (Kawi > pulled licenses due to their policy of not supporting publicly held > companies from Coleman (who cares) and CycleSport (serious bummer)). There's > one in Manasas according to Kawi's website, and a couple in MD. Look at > http://www.kawasaki.com/locator/index.html > to see what's near you. Anyone have any experience with any of these places? > > - Brian > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 06:36:27 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA06395 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 06:36:25 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 25 Feb 2000 03:22:04 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 03:20:02 -0800 Received: from 209.122.254.67 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 25 Feb 2000 03:22:02 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: gas leaking out overflow tube - tank theory Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:19:14 GMT Message-ID: <38b68488.806631228@smtp.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On my 95 zx6r Symptoms: Bike drips gas out of the overflow tube. I always hear the light, tank whistle after I turn the bike off. Lately the bike acts flooded after I take it for a spin and let it sit a minute and try to restart. I've got a drip drip drip of gas leaking out from the over flow tube. My friend lifted the tank and all the lines are secure and he said the problem is in the tank. So after some thinking of theory, I presumed that the overflow line is ruptured inside the tank and gas is leaking into the line and thus dripping out. In a little while I plan on having a more indepth look at it. Anyone know if the overflow tube is also a vacuum tube? (ok more like a breather line). =20 =46or a quick fix my friend pinched the line by folding it. However after that, then my throttle got jerky like it would bog and sputter. So I undid the pinch to get home, but even though I undid the pinch, it still acted up. So now i'm thinking when the gas tank was put back down, it pinched a line somewhere underneath the tank. =20 I'm thinking if that over flow tube is only for over flow I can just seal it up and not over fill my tank. However if it's also a vacuum line then I can replace the tank with a spare.. or you tell me? anyone of you experienced mcgyvers have any ideas to share? Daniel 1992 ex250 1995 zx6r http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/mc/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 07:37:19 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com (e22.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.228]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07200 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:37:18 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17906 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:19:59 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id HAA20600 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:37:01 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256890.00454FB2 ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:37:03 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256890.00454D41.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:36:56 -0500 Subject: Fixing a hole where the rain gets in and stops my mind from wandering... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The headline: >Faulty Underground Wiring Sends Another D.C. Manhole Into the Air >PEPCO officials say this incident was not related to Friday's >Georgetown blasts that sent six manholes into the air. My question: while the Manholes are up in the air, are we to assume that there is not a hole in the street? And if there is a hole flying through the air, does that mean there is a vacuum there? Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 07:47:24 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07334 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA09822 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:47:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:47:19 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Need info on a good local bike shop! In-Reply-To: <002601bf7f76$6c451b40$3bf0143f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, John Herman wrote: > Thanks for the link, it appears that Free State Kawasaki in Capital > Heights, MD is the closest for me. Thanks everyone who helped. Have a > good ride this weekend. Don't be surprised if you don't really get the kind of service you'd like at Free State. They seem to have gone down hill since the move (or perhaps before). Heyser in Laurel and CyclesUSA in Silver Spring ain't that great either - at least if you want a creative parts guy and/or decent prices. It can take longer to get parts but the independent service/accessories stores (Dirt Shop in College Park, CAD in Gaithersburg, Myers in Kensington) will give you better service and are more knowledgeable than the shops that actually stock bikes... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 08:05:07 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07955 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:05:06 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA61910; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:49:03 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id IAA48290; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:04:51 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256890.0047DCAB ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:04:55 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256890.0047DB4B.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:04:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Weekend rides!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I would be interested in riding down to that too. Name the meeting point. I'm in Sterling, so Manassas is no problem. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling Fred wrote... >I'm probably going to head down to the grand opening (relocation) party for >MotoEuropa in Richmond on Sat. morning. It starts at 10am, but that's about >the time I plan on waking up. If anyone's interested in going, I'll be >leaving from Manassas around 10:30 - 11:00. No plans for Sunday yet. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 08:05:58 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08006 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:05:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:05:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200002250805.AA33620628@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Fixing a hole where the rain gets in and stops my mind from X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX >The headline: >>Faulty Underground Wiring Sends Another D.C. Manhole Into the Air > >>PEPCO officials say this incident was not related to Friday's >>Georgetown blasts that sent six manholes into the air. > > >My question: while the Manholes are up in the air, are we to assume that >there is not a hole in the street? And if there is a hole flying through >the air, does that mean there is a vacuum there? >Rich Good point ... these must be the kind of manholes like they have on the old Road Runner cartoons. Pick 'em up and move 'em whereever you need 'em! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 08:17:40 2000 Return-Path: mcronan@XXXXXX Received: from server.nlxcorp.com (machine02.intelx.com [12.32.8.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08254 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by machine02.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:17:45 -0500 Message-ID: <504397A7DEEED211AC9F00105AA34BEF1E4543@machine02.intelx.com> From: Marc Cronan To: "'Dc-Cycles'" Subject: Group riding info Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:17:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm hoping to organize some group riding events at work this season and was looking for some pointers from those of you more experienced at it. I'm looking for: 1) do's and don'ts of organizing and leading group rides 2) suggested lunch destinations within a reasonable distance of Sterling, VA 3) recommended routes for after work or longer rides 4) anything else you think would be helpful Looks like there will be a variety of bikes and riding skills. Thanks for the help, Marc '96 CBR 600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 08:43:05 2000 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (host.intelsol.com [207.233.199.4] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08846 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:43:03 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256890.004B401B ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:41:56 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256890.004A86A5.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:41:52 -0500 Subject: Re: gas leaking out overflow tube - tank theory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Your idea of a pinched line when the tank is put back down sounds like the culprit. I only say so because I experienced the same symptoms on my Concours a few years ago. It turned out to be the hose that pulls a vacuum on the fuel petcock. There was enough vacuum pressure to open the petcock, but when I would turn the bike off the pinched line would maintain the vacuum and allow the gas to keep flowing. To fix it I just cut the hose about an inch shorter which kept it from pinching when the tank was put in place. I hope it turns out to be something as simple. Good luck. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 08:52:30 2000 Return-Path: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX Received: from Draco.house.gov (draco.house.gov [143.231.86.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09032 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims04.house.gov (hrmims04.house.gov [143.231.32.160]) by Draco.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA21993 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims04.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:51:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weekend rides!!!! Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:51:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) I am sooooo sorry for this everybody but our office server is down today (if you haven't already seen the message). That means that all of you lucky people will get an "out of office" message everytime something is sent to me. If it is easier, please temporarily take me off the list (just through today). > ---------- > From: Mike T[SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 10:24 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Weekend rides!!!! > > At 10:16 PM 2/24/2000 , Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > >C'mon guys!?! 71 degrees today and continuing through the weekend, and no > >post for rides?!?! GOOD GOD MAN, SHAKE OFF THE WINTER'S CHILL! > > Careful on those high speed back roads. Lots of loose sand and lost > skills > to contend with....for those of you that waited until it was warmer than > your age to ride ;-) > > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > 20k miles + > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 09:24:00 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09427 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:23:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:23:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200002250923.AA483132058@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Turning Circle Diameters X-Mailer: Last night I was measuring the turning circle diameters of my bikes. A couple interesting observations - 1. I like that sidecar turning circle diameter of 4 ft. 5 in.! It leaves some interesting tire marks on the pavement. Of course, the rest of the rig scribes a bigger circle. 2. The PC's turning circle wasn't that much better than the ST's. 3. When riding I could get about the same improvement with the ST as the PC. I assumed that the ST's heavier weight and higher center of gravity would make it harder to get the improvement when riding, but it didn't. (Motorcycles turn tighter when leaned over. As the bike leans, the geometric center of the turn "moves down" into the ground - making the effective radius, on the surface, less than it was). I formatted this all with spaces, and fixed-pitch font, so hopefully it'll make it through the list. Chris Norloff Right Turn Left Turn walking riding walking riding Sidecar sidecar wheel 4 ft. 5 in. 10 ft. 5 in. rear wheel 12 ft. 3 in. 12 ft. 2 in. ST1100 front wheel 20 ft. 4 in. 1 ft. less 19 ft. 2 ft. less rear wheel 17 ft. 15 ft. 3 in. PC800 front wheel 19 ft. 6 in. 2 ft. less 18 ft. 1 ft. less rear wheel 16 ft. 3 in. 14 ft. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 09:52:12 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09849 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA19627 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:52:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:52:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'Dc-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Group riding info In-Reply-To: <504397A7DEEED211AC9F00105AA34BEF1E4543@machine02.intelx.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Marc Cronan wrote: > I'm hoping to organize some group riding events at work this season and > was looking for some pointers from those of you more experienced at it. State the obvious - tell everyone to ride at their own pace. Make it well known that the group will stop and wait leaving no one behind. Discourage crowding, particularly in corners (eh, Zbig? :) ). Try to get some idea of everyone's ability and get an experienced (but patient) rider to ride in the back (the group I ride with has the best sweep rider around). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 10:04:35 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10195 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20580 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:04:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:04:30 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Turning Circle Diameters In-Reply-To: <200002250923.AA483132058@piglet.toward.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Chris Norloff wrote: > Last night I was measuring the turning circle diameters of my bikes. You have some interesting passtimes, Chris! The turning circle diameter of sportbikes is absolutely horrendous. I haven't gone to the trouble of measuring this for my VTR but I would bet it's twice the highest of your figures. If another dc-cycles circles thing gets planned (Leon?) I will not be bringing the VTR. However, I bet I could do 4' circles on the KLX all day if I took some dramamine first. The KLX, plus my wife's KE100 will show up at any future circles events... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 10:07:45 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10282 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1Z6FVFN3>; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:07:34 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Dc-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Group riding info Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:07:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Another good idea is to distribute ride sheets listing all route names and numbers, turns, mileage, gas and food stops, etc. Make sure to stop at or near a gas station at least every 80 miles or so for those with pitifully small gas tanks. Rest stops and food stops should be at reasonable intervals to account for anyone riding a crippler like a Ducati or GSX-R. ;^) If the group is large, it's useful to divide up into two or more groups of varying ability and/or agression levels. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 9:52 AM > To: 'Dc-Cycles' > Subject: Re: Group riding info > > On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Marc Cronan wrote: > > I'm hoping to organize some group riding events at work this season and > > was looking for some pointers from those of you more experienced at it. > > State the obvious - tell everyone to ride at their own pace. Make it well > known that the group will stop and wait leaving no one behind. Discourage > crowding, particularly in corners (eh, Zbig? :) ). Try to get some idea of > everyone's ability and get an experienced (but patient) rider to ride in > the back (the group I ride with has the best sweep rider around). > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 10:10:36 2000 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10313 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:10:35 -0500 (EST) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.67.1d7d32d (4544) for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:09:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <67.1d7d32d.25e7f544@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:09:56 EST Subject: MotoEuropa G.O.& Ben Bostrom TODAY!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 47 Howdy folks, MotoEuropa's Grand Opening is both TODAY and Saturday. Ben Bostrom the 1998 AMA Superbike Champion will be there today ONLY though, so hurry down and meet him. Tomorrow will be fun also. MotoEuropa sponsored my racing effort in 1999 and without them I would not have been able to complete the season let alone be competitive. They will be sponsoring me again in the 2000 season and I look forward to a great season of racing with them. Don't miss this neat oppertunity to see the new location and meet the enthusiast's that makes this one of those rare shop's we're always trying to find. Thanks, jeff Jeff Ozmen WERA # 86 CCS # 268 MotoEuropa ELF Racing Lubricants From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 10:13:07 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10404 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:13:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:13:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200002251013.AA357826922@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: List-dc cycles , Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Turning Circle Diameters X-Mailer: >On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Chris Norloff wrote: >> Last night I was measuring the turning circle diameters of my bikes. > >From: Kirk Roy >You have some interesting passtimes, Chris! I'm helping Leon prepare for The Circles. Fortunately, no neighbors called the police despite a couple hours of circling on my garage. On, not in, because I have a foundation and have yet to build the structure. But once the garage is done I know I can ride no matter what the weather is. The circling was quite interesting, and taught me a lot about balancing these two (new) bikes of mine. Balancing a bike with throttle and clutch while the steering is against the stops is interesting. best, -- Chris Norloff, Virginia recovering BMW owner '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 10:20:00 2000 Return-Path: jzell@XXXXXX Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10480 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01784 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:19:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000225102142.00a1b850@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:26:21 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Nothing Like a Little Acceleration... In-Reply-To: References: <200002250923.AA483132058@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" first thing in the morning! : ) After reading all of the posts about riding, I just had to hop on myself! : ) Why had I let her sit for so long? I had almost forgotten how much I love to ride! : ) Who else rode in today? - Jeannette L. Zell '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 10:29:23 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10624 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27703; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:28:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:28:38 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Jeannette Zell cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nothing Like a Little Acceleration... In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000225102142.00a1b850@intertv.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Me. On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > first thing in the morning! : ) > After reading all of the posts about riding, I just had to hop on myself! : ) > Why had I let her sit for so long? I had almost forgotten how much I love > to ride! : ) > Who else rode in today? > > > - Jeannette L. Zell > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 10:31:56 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10708 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27772; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:31:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:31:12 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Kirk Roy cc: List-dc cycles , cbr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Turning Circle Diameters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Kirk Roy wrote: (snip, somebody measure the turning radius of a bike with a sidecar) > The turning circle diameter of sportbikes is absolutely horrendous. It is?? Squeeze front brake. 1st gear. (click) Rev to 5K. Dump clutch. Lean to one side. Bike turns. Pretty short turning radius, if ya ask me. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 10:35:07 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10783 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12OMl5-00016q-00; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:34:24 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:34:26 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: FGrefe@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend rides!!!! In-Reply-To: <43.15ff63c.25e75baa@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Do you have an interesting way to get there or are you taking the super slab? On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm probably going to head down to the grand opening (relocation) party for > MotoEuropa in Richmond on Sat. morning. It starts at 10am, but that's about > the time I plan on waking up. If anyone's interested in going, I'll be > leaving from Manassas around 10:30 - 11:00. No plans for Sunday yet. > > Fred Grefe > GTS1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 10:38:58 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10810 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1Z6FVFQJ>; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:38:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Jeannette Zell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Nothing Like a Little Acceleration... Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:38:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Ohhhhh yeahhh.... Nothing will wake you up like a wheelie first thing in the morning. I had some fun going to work today too. :^) I passed a few bikes on the way to the office, including a YZF750 (I think) and a few UJMs going south on the beltway. Looks like I'm not the only one to scratch the itch. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Zell [SMTP:jzell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 5:26 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Nothing Like a Little Acceleration... > > first thing in the morning! : ) > After reading all of the posts about riding, I just had to hop on myself! > : ) > Why had I let her sit for so long? I had almost forgotten how much I love > to ride! : ) > Who else rode in today? > > > - Jeannette L. Zell > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 10:45:37 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10944 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12433; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:44:46 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000225104201.00ce6220@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:43:27 -0500 To: Jeannette Zell From: Troutman Subject: Re: Nothing Like a Little Acceleration... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000225102142.00a1b850@intertv.com> References: <200002250923.AA483132058@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:26 AM 2/25/00 , Jeannette Zell wrote: >Who else rode in today? I LOVE this weather...and in February! I took the liner out of my jacket this morning, donned the summer gloves and headed in. I have to say that the D207s really make a difference on the VFR. It sticks like glue, and drops into corners with minimal effort. Can't wait for the lunchtime ride.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 New Tires....Spring here yet? From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 10:58:30 2000 Return-Path: FGrefe@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11113 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:58:29 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.9.28eadc3 (3318) for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:57:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9.28eadc3.25e80080@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:57:52 EST Subject: Sat.- MotoEuropa meeting point and route To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 > I would be interested in riding down to that too. Name the meeting point. > I'm in Sterling, so Manassas is no problem. >From 66 west take 234 north towards the battlefields. As soon as you exit the ramp there is a gas station (Exxon?) on the right and a Cracker Barrel restaurant. I'll be in the Cracker Barrel parking lot at about 10:45 and would like to leave by 11:15. > Do you have an interesting way to get there >or are you taking the super slab? I'm not a big fan of 95 so I'm going via Culpeper 29 to 522 south to 33 east into Richmond. These aren't hugely interesting roads, but I don't know any really good way to get there. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 11:32:28 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11629 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:32:27 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.3c.16e0fe8 (7042) for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:31:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3c.16e0fe8.25e8086c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:31:40 EST Subject: Re: Group riding info To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 31 In a message dated 2/25/00 10:10:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > Rest stops and food stops should be at reasonable intervals > to account for anyone riding a crippler like a Ducati or GSX-R. ;^) :^PPPppPppp It's not bad unless you're on super-slab... I rode the Duc to Mid-Ohio last year for the AMA races (with Danny and Hugh) and didn't have much of a problem. BTW, I think I could post the *largest* circle sizes no matter what ya bring... I only have 26 degrees from center to lock (Which explains why Ducati riders are often performing 27 point turns in parking lots...) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 11:55:32 2000 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11925 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Paraphernalia advice sought Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:53:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I've decided that I need some stuff for my bike, specifically some sort of luggage and a windshield. The bike in question is a '83 V65 Magna (vf1100c). My current thoughts are: Eclipse P-38 saddlebags ($110 from Dennis Kirk, the catalog I have at work), and either the SlipStreamer Spitfire windshield ($56) or the SS-28 Sport Fairing ($113) (talking minimulist, here. I haven't had one for two years, but dealing with highway speeds and my wide body does get fatiguing). Looking for a) thoughts on these products or alternatives, and b) cheap and/or good karma places to buy them. Also, does anybody have any local experience on getting their bike seats redone around here? -Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 12:17:20 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12325 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1Z6FVFV6>; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:17:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Mark Petty'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paraphernalia advice sought Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:17:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain You might want to reconsider the Eclipse saddlebags. The set I have (the "sport" bags with integrated tailpack) has serious durability problems. Several attachment straps have ripped from their seams, and the material isn't very durable. Instead, you might consider Tour Master saddlebags. I bought a set of these down in Daytona last year and they're a whole different level of quality over the Eclipse stuff, IMO. Lots of neoprene to protect the bodywork, stiff-sided, large capacity, and heat shields on the bottom, and what seems like a very durable material are all points in their favor. You'll likely spend a bit more, but you'll get a much better product. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Petty [SMTP:mark.petty@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 11:54 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Paraphernalia advice sought > > I've decided that I need some stuff for my bike, specifically some sort of > luggage and a windshield. The bike in question is a '83 V65 Magna > (vf1100c). > > My current thoughts are: > > Eclipse P-38 saddlebags ($110 from Dennis Kirk, the catalog I have at > work), > > and either the SlipStreamer Spitfire windshield ($56) or the SS-28 Sport > Fairing ($113) (talking minimulist, here. I haven't had one for two years, > but dealing with highway speeds and my wide body does get fatiguing). > > Looking for a) thoughts on these products or alternatives, and b) cheap > and/or good karma places to buy them. > > Also, does anybody have any local experience on getting their bike seats > redone around here? > > -Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 12:45:29 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12861 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:45:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:45:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200002251245.AA84804184@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Mark Petty CC: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Paraphernalia advice sought X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Petty >Also, does anybody have any local experience on getting their bike seats >redone around here? I had a guy at Fairfax Circle re-cover my BMW seat. Did a fine job for $100. I can't think of his name right now, but I can get it. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 13:33:47 2000 Return-Path: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13795 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:33:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000225183242.23672.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:32:42 PST Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:32:42 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nothing Like a Little Acceleration... To: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I did!!! Now that I can actually keep on eye on the bike where its parked I'll be riding in a lot more. Glenn --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > first thing in the morning! : ) > After reading all of the posts about riding, I just > had to hop on myself! : ) > Why had I let her sit for so long? I had almost > forgotten how much I love > to ride! : ) > Who else rode in today? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 13:35:19 2000 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from proxy.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13870 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by proxy.mailbank.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA10514 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:34:49 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000225132221.0107390c@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:22:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Nothing Like a Little Acceleration... In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000225102142.00a1b850@intertv.com> References: <200002250923.AA483132058@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:26 AM 2/25/00 +0000, Jeannette Zell wrote: >Who else rode in today? I did. Yesterday, too. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 13:35:22 2000 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from proxy.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13871 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by proxy.mailbank.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA10396 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:34:45 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000225131922.0106d05c@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:19:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Need info on a good local bike shop! In-Reply-To: <4e.21fe72b.25e74d11@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:12 PM 2/24/00 EST, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 2/24/00 7:18:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jmherman@XXXXXX writes: > >> Hi, I am new to the area and I need some parts to get my bike running for >> the upcoming spring fever (which I have already caught). Could someone >> kindly point me to a decent local bike shop that I could find parts for an >83 >> Kawasaki KZ-750. Thanks! I've used Manassas Honda - Kawasaki for Honda work and been very pleased. Apparently not very close to you, however. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 14:02:48 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14354 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10484 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:02:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:02:20 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Nothing Like a Little Acceleration... In-Reply-To: <20000225183242.23672.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > I did!!! Now that I can actually keep on eye on the > bike where its parked I'll be riding in a lot more. Ok, who's spoofing Glenn's address? Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 14:25:45 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14703 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12345 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:25:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:25:32 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Paraphernalia advice sought In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Mark Petty wrote: > Eclipse P-38 saddlebags ($110 from Dennis Kirk, the catalog I have at work), > Looking for a) thoughts on these products or alternatives I can only say that I prefer a seat/sissy bar bag to saddlebags. I've used the Ventura system (pretty much the only thing of this type available for the bikes I've had). Systems like this ought to be readily available for the Magna (e.g., T-Bags). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 14:36:55 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14933 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:36:54 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.d6.16b4a5f (3972) for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:36:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:36:18 EST Subject: Re: Nothing Like a Little Acceleration... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 31 Rode in... went to a meeting, then took off with a friend and had lunch at Payne's Biker Bar in Leesburg (took the long way getting there) Couldn't ask for a better Friday, really :) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 14:38:55 2000 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14952 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:37:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Paraphernalia advice sought Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:37:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > I can only say that I prefer a seat/sissy bar bag to > saddlebags. I've used > the Ventura system (pretty much the only thing of this type > available for > the bikes I've had). Systems like this ought to be readily > available for > the Magna (e.g., T-Bags). > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) Sadly, the sissy bar for the eighties Magna is in the "Unobtanium" category. Few, far between, and expensive. -Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 15:08:42 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15533 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:08:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12OR1u-0000k7-00; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:08:02 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:08:02 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nothing Like a Little Acceleration... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm, great minds think alike. I think you got there right as a M. Jay and I where leaving as I saw a yellow Duck zipping by. On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > Rode in... went to a meeting, then took off with a friend and had lunch at > Payne's Biker Bar in Leesburg (took the long way getting there) > > Couldn't ask for a better Friday, really :) > > - Brian > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 15:36:58 2000 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web507.mail.yahoo.com (web507.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16036 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16628 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2000 20:36:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000225203654.16627.qmail@web507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.45.18.20] by web507.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:36:54 PST Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:36:54 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Paraphernalia advice sought To: Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have the P-38 saddlebags. They hold a decent amount of stuff, they're pretty aerodynamic and they cost $110 from Coleman Powersports (so I'd try to talk Dennis Kirk down). However, the buckle on one of the retaining straps broke pretty quickly, which seems to conform to Chris Weaver's experience. The dry bag saddlebags from Rider Wearhouse look pretty good: more expensive, but they promise to be completely waterproof and more durable. Sean Sullivan --- Mark Petty wrote: > I've decided that I need some stuff for my bike, > specifically some sort of > luggage and a windshield. The bike in question is a > '83 V65 Magna (vf1100c). > > My current thoughts are: > > Eclipse P-38 saddlebags ($110 from Dennis Kirk, the > catalog I have at work) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 15:39:15 2000 Return-Path: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16056 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:39:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000225203849.28492.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:38:49 PST Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:38:49 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nothing Like a Little Acceleration... To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know its hard to believe but I really did ride in! Glenn --- Kirk Roy wrote: > On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > I did!!! Now that I can actually keep on eye on > the > > bike where its parked I'll be riding in a lot > more. > > Ok, who's spoofing Glenn's address? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 15:57:15 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16409 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id F47F7SRS; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:55:58 -0500 Message-ID: <015d01bf7fd2$d9713d00$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "VFR List" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Handlebar and other help Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:56:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 My bike: 1991 VFR Two question for the all-knowing ones: 1. Left handlebar may be bent. Should I go with a Honda replacement or aftermarket? 2. The starter button is broken but usable. Can that button only be replaced or does the entire black plastic need to be replaced? TIA Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 18:12:22 2000 Return-Path: Ujinmbcd@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18666 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:12:21 -0500 (EST) From: Ujinmbcd@XXXXXX Received: from Ujinmbcd@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id i.97.24b80ee (4264); Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:10:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <97.24b80ee.25e865ff@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:10:55 EST Subject: Re: Handlebar and other help To: mKitchell@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 In a message dated 2/25/00 3:58:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, mKitchell@XXXXXX writes: << My bike: 1991 VFR Two question for the all-knowing ones: 1. Left handlebar may be bent. Should I go with a Honda replacement or aftermarket? 2. The starter button is broken but usable. Can that button only be replaced or does the entire black plastic need to be replaced? >> 1. Are you comfy with the stock bars? If so, buy a Honda replacement bar, it will probably be cheaper than a pair of heli-bars or whatever. 2. I don't think you can buy the individual pieces of the switch from Honda, so if you buy it from the dealer you're going to have to buy the whole thing. A good alternative would be to check around for a junkyard deal. You may be able to find a broken one somewhere that has the pieces you need. You could probably fix it pretty cheaply. I've fixed several switches like that. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 18:55:30 2000 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19291 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:55:28 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA01200 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:55:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:55:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nothing Like a Little Acceleration... Message-ID: <20000225185521.A1196@kleks.org> References: <20000225183242.23672.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <20000225183242.23672.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> * Glenn Dysart (glenn_dysart@XXXXXX) [000225 18:51]: > I did!!! Now that I can actually keep on eye on the > bike where its parked I'll be riding in a lot more. > Well, I not only took it to work, but managet to get out earlier, and look at some roads between 50 and 7. 601 has lot of gravel... > Glenn > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 19:31:56 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA19942 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts017d44.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.235.104] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:31:28 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: riding and Tank issues.. Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:31:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bf7ff0$e3521830$68eb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Hell must be freezing over.. Glenn rode a motorcycle to work (oh my, he DARED to mess up his hair before work!!) lol As for the Kawi. ZX6 tank.. The tanks on the ZX series motorcycle have an internal vent tube. It runs from the gas cap down through a tube in the middle of the tank and out the bottom. These tubes are well known for having a problem with fatigue and breaking (A friend replaced 3 in one summer on his (then new) 1996 ZX7. All with the same problems you're describing about dripping fuel. Sorry.. but we couldn't find a way to fix it without mods. It took sealing up the bottom vent area, drilling a hold in the top of the tank and running the vent from there (al-la older GSXR's) G'luck.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 20:11:40 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20513 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:11:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-87.s87.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.87] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12OVlF-0001uF-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:11:09 -0500 Message-ID: <00ad01bf7ff6$29af4d20$576aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <97.24b80ee.25e865ff@aol.com> Subject: Re: Handlebar and other help Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:09:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: wrote > > 1. Are you comfy with the stock bars? If so, buy a Honda replacement bar, it > will probably be cheaper than a pair of heli-bars or whatever. > Actually, when I went to replace the buggered up clip-ons on my '96, Heli's were less than OEM snip... Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen-Valley Trailers (www.shen-valley.com), 888-743-6825 - Toll Free From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 21:49:54 2000 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21891 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:49:53 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.2d.1b8624d (3873); Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:49:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2d.1b8624d.25e89929@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:49:13 EST Subject: Saturday ride!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, ipeverywhere@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Ok kids, here it is. Sorry I didn't get this out sooner; work was a bit buisier than anticpated today. Meeting at the Burger King in Sterling, (Countryside, specifically). It's right off of Rt. 7, several hundred yards west of Cascades parkway, and around 1 1/2 miles east from the intersection of Rt. 28 and Rt.7. This is the same Burger King that Collin would depart from. Meet around 10 'o' clock, or 9'ish if you want breakfast. See you there guys! If you need to give me a buzz, hit me at (703)-609-6147. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 22:16:10 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA22314 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1392 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2000 03:16:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000226031605.1391.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.230.158] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:16:05 PST Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:16:05 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Official Circles Announcement To: List-dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There will be a DC Cycles Circles event on March 18 or 19 (or both) Not sure yet where, but probably near here again. There will be 4 events this time. 1) The circles 2) The testing cone weave from the MSF course. 3) A tighter cone weave that is the same size as the circles. 4) The braking exercise from the MSF course. Collin isn't planning on being around that weekend, so we should have a new winner on the circles. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 25 22:22:39 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22398 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-87.s87.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.87] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12OXmz-0007EO-00; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:21:05 -0500 Message-ID: <010901bf8008$511fde80$576aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: yzf600 f.s Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:19:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 My buddies at the local shop (Blalock's Honda / Yamaha) bought a wrecked '99 with ~650 miles on it. The front end is messed up, but other than that and some minor cosmetics it appears to be in good shape. Might make someone a decent starter race bike. They want ~$2000 for it. Contact me off list if your interested and I can get some specifics or get you in touch with Blalock's. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen-Valley Trailers (www.shen-valley.com), 888-743-6825 - Toll Free From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 26 10:52:43 2000 Return-Path: desc@XXXXXX Received: from fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (fb01.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05038 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from winnie (user-2ivelgk.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.86.20]) by fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29427 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:52:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00b201bf8071$5e1bc040$1456f7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Beinggers Bike Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:51:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I have a friend who wants to purchase a Sport Bike and asked me for recommendations for someone who just finished MSC training. I have not really seen a lot of bikes myself and am still new to riding ( 1 1/2 years ) so I am not the best source of bike recommendations. I learned on a YZF 600 but am not sure what to tell my friend. Wanted to throw this Q out there and see what some of you thought. Ryan From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 26 11:02:00 2000 Return-Path: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05216 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:01:59 -0500 (EST) From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from Bluice101@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.c1.136a0d3 (4326) for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:01:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:01:15 EST Subject: Re: Beinggers Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 In a message dated 2/26/00 10:55:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, desc@XXXXXX writes: << dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> If your friend has some experience under his/her belt I say just go shopping. The only way to get use to any bike is to ride it. If this person is excited about the purchase of what they choose the rest will follow Deb 98 Royal Star From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 26 11:04:41 2000 Return-Path: desc@XXXXXX Received: from fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (fb01.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05237 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from winnie (user-2ivelgk.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.86.20]) by fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16309 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:04:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <017201bf8073$0b67a740$1456f7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: MSC Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:03:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Where can you take the MSC in Virginia?? I am looking through the phone book and yahoo for links or info and can't seem to find anything. Thanks for any info, Ryan From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 26 11:08:59 2000 Return-Path: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05330 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:08:58 -0500 (EST) From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from Bluice101@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.14.139616b (4326) for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:08:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <14.139616b.25e95470@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:08:16 EST Subject: Re: MSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 In a message dated 2/26/00 11:06:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, desc@XXXXXX writes: << dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Loudon County and there is a small class in Falls Church area. From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 26 11:39:45 2000 Return-Path: pawilson@XXXXXX Received: from mail.digizen.net (mail.digizen.net [209.194.78.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05835 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3578 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2000 21:37:02 -0000 Received: from ppp3-120.digizen.net (HELO digizen.net) (209.194.78.120) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 26 Feb 2000 21:37:02 -0000 Message-ID: <38B7F396.CDAFA028@digizen.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:39:04 -0400 From: "Paul A. Wilson" Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Matteson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSC References: <017201bf8073$0b67a740$1456f7a5@winnie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out the web site http://www.learn2ride.com. It lists sites; individual course dates are available by contacting each training center. Sign up early unless you want to wait until mid-summer. Ryan Matteson wrote: > Where can you take the MSC in Virginia?? I am looking through the > phone book and yahoo for links or info and can't seem to find anything. > > Thanks for any info, > > Ryan -- Paul A. Wilson 323 C St. SE Washington DC 20003 pawilson@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 26 12:27:04 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06529 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-13.patriot.net [209.249.181.13]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA30075; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:26:59 -0500 Message-ID: <38B80C5D.7E08ECB9@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:24:45 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Matteson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSC References: <017201bf8073$0b67a740$1456f7a5@winnie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The RSS is offered at both Alexandria and Loudoun NOVA campuses. Phone number for Loudoun is (703) 450- 2551/2552. Sorry, don't have the Alex # handy. Both sites offer a Friday night/Sat/Sun classes and midweek classes on Wed night/Thurs/Fri. SIgn up NOW. Classes fill up quick. Bill MSF-RSS instructor. Ryan Matteson wrote: > Where can you take the MSC in Virginia?? I am looking through the > phone book and yahoo for links or info and can't seem to find anything. > > Thanks for any info, > > Ryan From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 26 16:29:37 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09779 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:29:34 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:31:11 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:29:09 -0800 Received: from 209.122.254.142 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:31:10 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re: riding and Tank issues.. Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:27:49 GMT Message-ID: <38b86ed4.932166161@eriss.com> References: <000101bf7ff0$e3521830$68eb9bcf@tra> In-Reply-To: <000101bf7ff0$e3521830$68eb9bcf@tra> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:31:57 -0700, you wrote: |>As for the Kawi. ZX6 tank.. The tanks on the ZX series motorcycle = have an |>internal vent tube. It runs from the gas cap down through a tube in = the |>middle of the tank and out the bottom. These tubes are well known for |>having a problem with fatigue and breaking (A friend replaced 3 in one |>summer on his (then new) 1996 ZX7. All with the same problems you're |>describing about dripping fuel. |> |>Sorry.. but we couldn't find a way to fix it without mods. It took = sealing |>up the bottom vent area, drilling a hold in the top of the tank and = running |>the vent from there (al-la older GSXR's) That's what I was thinking of doing, I had dirtbikes in mind : ) I put on the other tank and it works fine. I guess I'll alter the old tank.=20 I was thinking I could block the 2 fuel lines to the petcock and then fill the tank up with water and then if it leaks out the vent tube it sure has a problem with it being ruptured inside the tank. Then I=20 could make another vent. Thanks for the replies guys : ) daniel From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 26 19:28:55 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12216 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 19:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts011d43.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.238.55] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:28:43 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: beginners bikes? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:28:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bf80b9$95f3c830$37ee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Well.. It really all depends on your friends tastes. If they like cruisers more, then look at those, if sportbikes more, look at those.. etc. You can always pick a good UJM that's right in the middle and that'll do it all. They only really good recommendation is to find something cheap but reliable (cheap because it's old or looks like crap, or possibly even small in CCs). My First street-bike was a Honda CB1100F.. an ex-endurance roadracer.. and I'm supprised I didnt kill myself. I didn't learn a whole heck of a lot on that bike.. I was just a danger to myself. The next bike was a 86 Honda VF500F that I found for $600. It looked ok, only had some minor problems that I managed to work around for awhile. It had terrible suspension to boot... but, you know what, I rode it every day. I rode it everywhere, work, out for dinner, on the weekends having fun with my then-new friends from here. I ended up putting about 15,000 miles on her in little over a year. And I learned to ride.... I learned to handle the bike.. I learned what it's like to crash the bike (never did break any plastic either, just bent the handlebars a few times). Gas and tires were the most expensive part of that thing.. and when I destroyed the engine, I still sold the whole thing for $100 *laughing*. The perfect learners bike.. I then knew that I LOVED that style of riding, and went about picking up an 87 VFR700 that I've put Another 20,000 miles on and modified heavily to suit my tastes. A lot of people say to just buy your dream bike right off the bat... I still think that the minimal investment of an old bike to ride a year or so on off-sets the damage done by stupid things that you tend to learn the hard way (gas-stations are REALLY slick, you have to put your kick-stand down before getting off the bike and walking away, shoe-laces get caught in the pegs and you can't put a foot down at stop sometimes.. etc). Besides, you're not going to be spending more than $1000 on your first bike, and if it's still running a year later, you can likely get about the same money in return as you sell it to another newbie. Cheers, Brian McCoy - MC Enthusiast From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 27 17:39:19 2000 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01401 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:38:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Official Circles Announcement Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:38:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Leon Begeman generously offered, "There will be a DC Cycles Circles event on March 18 or 19 (or both) Sunday March 19, 2000, 10:00AM to 3:00PM Four Corners Recreation Center, Silver Spring, MD MARRC has been providing top-quality safety crews for motorcycle races for over 15 years. The Race Emergency School is our annual session designed to teach volunteers how to be of the one of the best cornerworking crews in the country. You will be trained on cornerworkers' roles and duties, flags and flagging, hand signals, personal safety, radio procedures, bike pickup and inspection, oil cleanup and other issues important to a cornerworker. Snacks will be provided as part of this no-cost training. We suggest you bring along something for lunch. Here's your chance to make motorcycle roadracing safer! FWIW, Last year it snowed that day; last year I had a conflict with every blessed race. Maybe this year. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 27 22:28:17 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA05386 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:28:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7214 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2000 03:28:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000228032811.7213.qmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.11.148] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:28:11 PST Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:28:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Handlebar and other stuff.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, Replace both bars with an aftermarket... More durable and half the cost. Vortex makes a really nice set, and you can get both DELIVERED from Superbike Accessories for $135 (you'll pay that or more for a single OEM which is a weaker part). Go to: http://sbaccess.com Mike Freda is the owner and a former NOVA area resident. :) Collin (Two days behind on the digest and slowly catching up!) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 27 22:41:44 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA05555 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1472 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2000 03:41:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000228034140.1471.qmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.11.148] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:41:40 PST Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:41:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Batteries To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian, Which batteries are you classifying as low main and the maint free?? Rick sell's the maintenance free Yuasa's (same as OEM on my gixer) for $55 retail (little cheaper to us racer types). And for other batteries... I'm not up to speed with all the latest and greatest tech, but the race list had discussion on those new fangled longlife ones like they are using in the emergency start things (like you get at sears.. tiny little suckers). A couple of folks had dealt with the companies and they didn't recommend using them without specific mods to the bike.... A few duc riders had switched to them successfully though. Apparently, these small lightweight batteries are great; however, they are super sensitive to charging voltage and current. If it's not perfect, they fry (and the window sounded pretty small) They do look like a neat concept though, and hope the technology develops more and works its way into OEM development. CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 27 22:49:27 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05748 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA05160 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA15821 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwf (surf15-155.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.155]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA09623 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:49:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Weekend ride? Was there one? Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:49:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Usually there are some posts. I couldn't make it Saturday, but did a solo ride Sunday that was incredible. Saturday's weather sure wasn't what they predicted! Glad I worked Saturday and took off Sunday! Gary Foreman fj1100@XXXXXX http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 27 23:28:27 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA06387 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 23:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27139 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2000 04:28:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000228042817.27138.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.11.148] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:28:17 PST Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:28:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Group riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Marc, I've done a LOT of group rides around the NOVA area, usually leaving from the area where you work... There are some great roads not too far from there and you can work out nice little loops from 80 miles to 400 miles and never get farther west than about 5 miles past purcelleville. More on routes in a bit, and more importantly FOOD STOPS!!... How to handle it first (some/a lot is rehash of what others said): 1: Speak with everyone before the ride starts and get a feel for the group. You really don't want a newbie getting stuck in the middle of a group of experienced riders who want to go fast. Make sure everyone knows that it is not a race, no penis measuring (or whatever the female equivalent is), etc. I stop at every turn and wait till the sweep rider catches up. That way you don't lose anyone (sometimes its hard and you still lose someone when you have groups in excess of 30 bikes.. Sorry Anita and Ursulina and unnamed beemer rider!!) 2: Large groups (greater than 10??) split up! Generally I've found that you have a group that likes to zip along at a fast clip and another group that likes a nice moderate pace. (amazingly, it's not uncommon fr the slower group to beat the fast group to the designated stopping areas! This is not some sort of warped twisted physics, or use of wormholes or anything.. it's just a matter of me not knowing my left from my right, north from south, and sometimes just getting so wrapped up enjoying a particular road that I blow right on by a different road we had planned on riding) It is very preferable having someone that knows the area and route in each group. 3: Designate rest stops in advance! Whether they be for gas or food, let the entire group know where you plan on stopping. The first concern with this is the gas situation. Some of the gas capacity challenged bikes (have to be politacally correct and all) can't go much more than 100 miles on a tank of gas... Most sport bikes make it about 120 or more...NEVER let a VFR or BMW lead!!! THey stop for gas like once a week!!! hehehe It's never been a problem with me leading though. On one bike I can get 100 miles tops, the other I make it about 115-120, but the stomach doesn't make it much further at all! The other reason is just in case someone does get separated or lost. Hopefully they can manage to take alternate roads and meet back up at one of the stops further in the route. 4: sweep riders really help identify the end of the pack and nurse along scragglers. 5: Set ground rules up front. I know its a free world and all that, but if a person shows up to ride with me in shorts and tanktop, I generally ask them to not join the group. I don't want someone's misery to be on my conscience if they end up planting it and get lots of excess rash. Jeans minimum and preferably jacket (even in summer). My personal preference is full leather coverage year round, but I know that that is not for everyone when the temps get up there. 5b: A more important rule though is NO PASSING OTHER RIDERS IN CORNERS. This is kind of an extension of the no crowding rule but warrants saying. It's one thing if it's a couple of buddies who ride together all the time and know each other and expect that sort of thing, but on larger group rides it just isn't a good idea. Someone who is not used to it stands a very good chance of being startled to all hell and doing something stupid when someone blows by them in a corner. Wait till a safe straight section, or if they are out horsepowering you in the straight, just get ahead of them at the next stop. No sense endangering yourself or others needlessly. 5c. Passing slow cages: Everyone has their preferences... I have nothing against a double yellow pass so long as it is safe. I *try* to give cages as wide a berth as possible, but I've buzzed a couple due to poor decisions on more than one occasion. Don't let folks pass on blind corners... If you can see through the next turn or two and you can pass safe, go for it... but don't do anything stupid...risks your neck (and others who may try to pass with you) and pisses of the cagers unecessarily (who all to often have cell phones handy with the local sherrif on speed dial! not to mention having to deal with a pissed of cager who is now an even more shitty driver cause they are on the cell phone!! hehe) 6: as a ride leader, try to maintain a resonable speed... especially in the straights! Remember that you get the slinky effect, and if you open it up too much at the corner exit, it makes it even harder for those behind you to catch back up and keep it close.. next thing you know, you have inexperienced folks pushing triple digit speeds thinking that they need to keep people in sight. I like to stay at about 70 mph tops in the straghts and for those that no me, I usually don't slow down much for the corners either (another good thing to tell followers... don't watch me for a brake marker!). Hopefully the ride leader will know the roads being travelled. Even though I don't necessarily plan on braking much for a corner, I often tap the brake lever enough to blink the light a few times if I know we are coming up on a corner that needs lots of slowing down. Routes: I have a few that I've collected, and I swear someday I will add some more that are in my head...Go to my home page and click on the ride sheets link: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (and yes, I know everything else on the page is hideously out of date...I sold that GSXR 2 years ago, my kid is now 3 , I'm in grad school in MI, my two newest bikes are the Maxim and Bandit, and much more ;-)) (oh yeah.. and Robert, I promise to add that one you sent me waaay back when now that I've found it again!... anyone else feel free to send me some, preferably ready to post!! hehehe) Craig Johnston also has a couple posted on the WSDYMFG page.. He can post the url if he so chooses... Now the good stuff!! FOOD!! Lovettesville: Good little pizza and sub shop just down the road from the 7-11 heading south. Purcelleville: Great italian restaurant called Marios a few buildings up from the intersection of 690 (where comes to the middle of town) and 7 business (west side of 690). Fairly friendly to large bike groups... The medium calzone with feed AT LEAST 2 normal humans... or one Brian McCoy! Front Royal: Castiglianos in the Big lots shopping center just off of 55. They have been very receptive to large groups of us biker scum. Middleburgh: Hucklebies on the main drag of 50.. Nice little deli and great ice cream shop across the road. Olnie: (a few miles east of middleburgh) BBQ shop on south side of road.. not sure on the name, but you can't miss it.. a must eat kind of place! Seneca Rocks: The main general store is not to bad for quick stops (great ice cream) But the building right behind it has a restaurant on the top floor that is very good! Middle of nowhere: Just off of route 7 very near where 601 (Mount weather road) intersects there is a little side road (can't remember the name of the road.. help Mike Jordan) is a place called the Horseshoe Cafe. Awesome greasy burger and fries. Be warned though, they have this HUGE walking furry thing with a monstrous tongue and mouth protruding from all the hair... He is very friendly, but expects your gratitude in payment of fries.... Not sure what it is called, but it's one of those dogs like in the bugs bunny roadrunner show... you know the one.. the sheepdog who always foils Wiley's attempts to steal the heard (Ralph I believe is his name!! hehe) WHEW!!! OK, so that is the email from hell.. hope you didn't mind my oklahoma talking disease and got something useful from all of that! Take care and enjoy the roads.. hopefully this heavy rain we had tonight cleaned a lot of salt, sand, and gravel off the roads... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 27 23:33:23 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA06478 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 23:33:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9425 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2000 04:33:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000228043319.9424.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.11.148] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:33:19 PST Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:33:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: WeekDAY riding... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry I missed any of ya'll riding this weekend, especially to MotoEuropa.. didn't get back to email quick enough once I got back to the area... Did make it down to Jeff Ozmen's house and hang out with him osme on saturday though..... Anyhow... I know several of you are off during the weekdays or do some lunchtime riding... I am in town for the entire week and hope to do as much riding as possible... so speak up!! Just keep in mind that I will be sleeping in some unless something is planned in advance...My number here is (703) 492-4042. Now hopefully it will be *decent* weather the rest of the week... Anyone out there with an FRS chatterbox?? I have a nifty little rig of my own that is capable of talking with them (or any FRS capable radio) and would love to do some more testing... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 28 08:25:41 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com (e22.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.228]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16257 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:25:39 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14108 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:08:09 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id IAA33808 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:25:14 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256893.0049BDE5 ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:25:27 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256893.0049BBA9.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:25:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Weekend rides!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I was in denial of the weather Saturday morning. It wasn't really cold. The weather man said it was going to be warm, therefore I was not going to bother with the warm jacket, or the warm gloves, or the neck gaiter. Besides, we were going South to Richmond. It's warmer in the South. And the mist would burn off at any moment. Weather men... grrrrrr. Thanks for leading us, Fred. And thanks for the use of the warm gloves, Mark. Did the rest of y'all ride out from the Sterling Burger King as planned? Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 28 08:37:40 2000 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16742 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:37:39 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.54.1a749b1 (4575) for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:37:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54.1a749b1.25ebd3fd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:37:01 EST Subject: Re: Weekend rides!!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 My father and I showed up, in the futile hope that the crap would burn off. It didn't. Ryan McClune showed up on his tasty little R6, and from there we back roaded it to 601. The backroading wasn't too bad, a little wet, but roads were good. 601, however....ahh.....it was the first time I'd ever done the speed limit or less for the duration of that road. Unfortunately, the clouds sat about 10 ft. up onto 601. The entire road had visibility of 75 ft. or less, and gravel in every corner. Yuck. Anywho, sunday was gorgeous but was too busy to ride. Damn. Although I did go to Blockbuster and the skies opened up while I was in the store. Great weekend. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 28 12:43:26 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20592 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:43:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08182 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA21354 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03470 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:42:29 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000228123949.00a23100@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:42:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Helmet Theft Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone out there ever have a problem with helmet theft? When I run into a store for a minute, I just leave my helmet slung over the grab rails using the chin strap to hang it. It looks like all the bikes that use helmet locks, but it isn't locked. Anyone ever had one stolen doing this? How about having the chin strap cut while using a helmet lock? Just curious... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 New Tires....Spring here yet? From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 28 13:15:55 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21137 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08317 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Draco.house.gov (draco.house.gov [143.231.86.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA23428 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims03.house.gov (hrmims03.house.gov [143.231.32.159]) by Draco.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28487 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims03.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:15:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: repair shop Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:15:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Where's a good place near DC to get an FI remap? I'm looking for a race shop or the like -- not some beefed up motorcycle superstore... Any place out there that you guys and gals trust? From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 28 13:34:32 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21400 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08380 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA24895 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:34:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000228183356.1908.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:33:56 PST Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:33:56 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Theft To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One of our former list members (Curtis) had his stolen off the bike one day when he didn't lock it down. Speaking of such I always seem to have dreams that involve riding with no helmet, somehow realizing later that i forgot to put it on. Anyone else have these or am I just weird? Glenn --- Troutman wrote: > Anyone out there ever have a problem with helmet > theft? When I run into a > store for a minute, I just leave my helmet slung > over the grab rails using > the chin strap to hang it. It looks like all the > bikes that use helmet > locks, but it isn't locked. Anyone ever had one > stolen doing this? How > about having the chin strap cut while using a helmet > lock? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 28 13:50:44 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21767 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:50:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id F47F7S92; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:50:22 -0500 Message-ID: <002901bf821c$c5a3ba40$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "VFR List" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Anyone use Vortex or other aftermarket clip-ons on a VFR? Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:50:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 If anyone has experience with Vortex or other clipons (not Heli or Genmar risers) for a 91 VFR, please let me know. I may need to replace stock but I do not want a much lower bar. Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 28 13:53:44 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21807 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08460 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25965 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:53:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Theft Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:53:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain You're just weird. Chris :^) > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Dysart [SMTP:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] > Anyone else have these or am I just weird? From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 28 13:54:18 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21817 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:54:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08466 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA25989 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 28 Feb 2000 21:43:59 UT Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:51 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dysart@XXXXXX" , "mike@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Helmet Theft Message-ID: <20000228135245461-4a87ce5@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've had dreams of running into the back of vehicles at full speed... I wake up... scared to death... heart racing... etc. right before impact. I hate those dreams! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Helmet Theft Author: dysart@XXXXXX Date: 02/28/2000 1:33 PM One of our former list members (Curtis) had his stolen off the bike one day when he didn't lock it down. Speaking of such I always seem to have dreams that involve riding with no helmet, somehow realizing later that i forgot to put it on. Anyone else have these or am I just weird? Glenn From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 28 13:57:12 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21907 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08474 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA26108 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:57:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03648; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:56:57 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000228135630.00cc47b0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:56:56 -0500 To: dysart@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Helmet Theft Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20000228183356.1908.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:33 PM 2/28/00 , Glenn Dysart wrote: >Speaking of such I always seem to have dreams that >involve riding with no helmet, somehow realizing later >that i forgot to put it on. Anyone else have these or >am I just weird? Are those two options mutually exclusive? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 New Tires....Spring here yet? From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 28 14:23:34 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from