From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 09:46:47 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:43:01 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Before ANYONE buys one of those dinky MP3 players to have music while you ride, listen up. Several companies are making portable CD players (like the discman) that play regular CDs, burned CD-R, burned CD-RW, and Mp3. This is fucking awesome. If you have a CD burner, you can have a ridiculous amount of music on one CD. While in regular CD-Audio format, a CD will hold 74 minutes worth of music. If you convert your music to Mp3 files (at a reasonable bit-rate), you can fit upwards of 8 hours onto a single CD!!! As you can tell, I'm practically aroused at the thought of this device. These are in production and will be available soon. If anyone is interested, I can get more info (and maybe we can get some wholesale pricing in advance). Lemme know... Not having to change the CD when you ride, or hell...not for several rides would be awesome. Kirt 99 F4 Annandale, Va 550+ Mp3s From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 10:07:31 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cost of riding, was: Who rode in today? Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:07:16 GMT I think for some people a bike will be cheaper than a car.. I know my bike insurance is a lot cheaper than car insurance.. I know my car needs work a lot more often than my bikes do.. and the milage is obvious.. On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:41:17 -0500, you wrote: |>Listed below is some information I sent to Jeannette last night because= she |>thought operating a bike was cheaper too. These are my observations = and |>this applies to Hugh's message about savings in gas. Also I think a = scooter |>isn't very equivalent to an econo-box. Most scooters can hardly = maintain |>the speed limit, which as we know the average speed on the Beltway is = about |>70. Even my crappy Corolla can maintain 80 pretty easily. I think a = good |>comparison might be something like my little 500 Magna or a 750 = Nighthawk. |> |>Here is the message: |> |>Tires for your average cage... 4 of them with a 75,000 mile warranty = for |>$200. Bikes, well $200 for a set that might last 10,000 (if your = lucky). |>We won't even get into mounting and balancing costs. Our bikes the = rear |>goes out every 5,000 or so, and the fronts around 8,000. Something = like a |>Honda Civic gets close to 40 MPG which isn't far off from a bike. Tune |>ups... my Magna needs new plugs every 4,000 miles, the VFR, 8,000 = miles. |>Those plugs are over $4 each mail order! The plugs for my Corolla? = $0.99 |>at the local dealer and they last 30,000 miles. Newer cars have plugs = that |>cost the same as bike plugs but they last 60,000 and 100,000 miles Oil |>filters. Bike filters mail order are still $7 or more. I get car = filters |>for $3 (OEM too). Then there is insurance, I'd bet the average price = for |>bike insurance is higher then car insurance. |> |>Glenn |> |> |>-----Original Message----- |>From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] |>Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 1:24 PM |>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX |>Subject: RE: Cost of riding, was: Who rode in today? |> |> |>Anybody have real numbers? I mean, what YOU paid per mile to operate = your |>motorcycle - purchase price (minus current value), insurance, taxes, |>inspection fees, gas & oil, maintenance, tires, parts, etc. |> |>It'd be interesting to add in the riding gear, but if you'd own that = anyway |>for fun, then it doesn't add into the commuting equation. |> |>I haven't collected those kind of numbers myself, but always figured = that my |>$1,000 bikes offset any increase in operating costs ($300 in tires = lasts |>10,000 mi. on a bike, 30,000+ mi. on a car). |> |>Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 10:07:36 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: when does riding season start Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:07:14 GMT ok when can i expect the weather to be warm enough to ride as if it were summer time.. I guess meaning 55+ degrees. =20 I figure i'd ask and let the old wise men speak the ones who know the area, and weather patterns... someone said it will be 55 degrees wednesday. I'm wondering when I can expect to be riding every day very comfortably... =20 Daniel global warming? GOOD!!!! : ) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 10:11:26 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 10:17:30 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Thanks to Everyone who came to our DC Cycles Superbowl Party. It was a small but fun crowd! We were especially surprised that Leon did not make it on his bike! ; ) (teasing, Leon...) If anyone would've ridden, it would've been him! Hopefully next year the weather will cooperate and everyone won't need to take life & limb in hand coming to the party! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Jeannette L. Zell From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 10:25:59 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Mid 50s This Weekend! Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:25:48 -0500 Check out http://www.weather.com/weather/cities/us_dc_washington.html. They're predicting mid to upper fifties for this weekend. That's warm enough even for me to ride. HOWEVER, the NYC moto show trip is on Saturday. Talk about mixed emotions. I guess I'll just have to ride all day long on Sunday. ;^) The SuperDuperHawk needs some action - maybe I'll head over to 211... Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 10:50:25 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:45:36 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Thanks to Everyone To: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Prior commitments prevented me from attending your party. However, you are correct, I probably wouldn't have ridden this year. Sunday was the 2d day this year that I didn't ride a bike. Obviously more attention needs to be paid to this, missing 2 days in the same month is unacceptable. Leon. --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > who came to our DC Cycles Superbowl Party. It was a > small but fun crowd! > We were especially surprised that Leon did not make > it on his bike! ; ) > (teasing, Leon...) If anyone would've ridden, it > would've been him! > > Hopefully next year the weather will cooperate and > everyone won't need to > take life & limb in hand coming to the party! : ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > Jeannette L. Zell > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 11:02:36 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:02:02 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Thanks to Everyone ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Jeannette Zell >We were especially surprised that Leon did not make it on his bike! Leon actually remembered how to drive a car? I'm impressed. :) HOrkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 13:00:10 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Suzuki SV750?? Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:59:55 -0500 I found the following piece on the MCN website. It might be of interest = to the SV freaks on the list. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 --- http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/news/news.asp?id=3D409 --- The GSX-R1000 is expected to debut in 2001, but may appear sooner. A = 750cc twin based around the SV650 engine is also being mooted - prompting UK = bike builder Tigcraft to pull the plug on a project to produce a 750cc kit.=20 Tigcraft's Dave Pearce admits the move has left him feeling frustrated, = but careful inspection of the stock engine made him suspect it had been = designed as a 750 - suggesting Suzuki wasn't going to leave it as a 650 for very long.=20 The key part of the Tigcraft conversion was boring out the cylinders = from 81mm to 87mm, with no increase in stroke. Pearce said: "The crankcases accepted the bigger new liners easily.=20 "It was almost as if Suzuki had built the bottom half of the engine = with a 750cc engine in mind. "Our first run on the dyno showed monster torque = - and this was without any fine- tuning. There could have been even more to = come." Peak power was up from a standard rear wheel figure of 68bhp at 9000rpm = to 80bhp at 9000rpm, with torque of 53.4ftlb at 6500rpm up from 45.5ftlb = at 9500rpm. That compares with a Ducati 748's 54ftlb at 9000rpm.=20 Pearce said: "I need to make a big investment in tooling to produce my = own cylinder liners and I can't take the risk that Suzuki will render my = kit redundant by building its own 750."=20 Tigcraft's big-bore SV was also treated to re-profiled camshafts and a = new exhaust. The total cost of fitting the full conversion would have been =A32500, or =A31200 for a big-bore only.=20 Other tuners agree an official 750cc SV has to be highly likely because = 750s have wider appeal and a production bike need not cost a lot more than = the current SV650's =A34499. A Suzuki spokesman denied plans for a 750 at = the moment. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 16:30:51 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 16:29:10 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: when does riding season start Lemme see ... ponder-ponder... I've washed my car on christmas day which was in the low 70s that year. This is VA - might be springlike next week, or we might be up to our ass in snow. You never can tell, so keep the scoot lubed, gassed, and charged and be ready to ride. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > ok when can i expect the weather to be warm enough to ride as if it > were summer time.. I guess meaning 55+ degrees. > > I figure i'd ask and let the old wise men speak the ones who know > the area, and weather patterns... someone said it will be 55 degrees > wednesday. > > I'm wondering when I can expect to be riding every day very > comfortably... > > Daniel > global warming? GOOD!!!! : ) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 18:37:39 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:36:58 EST Subject: Re: 2-smokes To: v4mofo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX When did you get a YSR80?? Oh my... and I just got the mental image of you on one of those.... Wasn't the RS125 lilyputen enough for you?? - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 18:45:30 2000 From: "Bruce Norton" To: Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:47:11 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Then plug that player into a pair of these: http://precisionweb.com/monitoring/monitor_earphones/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirt S." To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > Before ANYONE buys one of those dinky MP3 players to have music while you > ride, listen up. > > Several companies are making portable CD players (like the discman) that > play regular CDs, burned CD-R, burned CD-RW, and Mp3. This is fucking > awesome. If you have a CD burner, you can have a ridiculous amount of music > on one CD. While in regular CD-Audio format, a CD will hold 74 minutes > worth of music. If you convert your music to Mp3 files (at a reasonable > bit-rate), you can fit upwards of 8 hours onto a single CD!!! > > As you can tell, I'm practically aroused at the thought of this device. > These are in production and will be available soon. If anyone is > interested, I can get more info (and maybe we can get some wholesale pricing > in advance). Lemme know... Not having to change the CD when you ride, or > hell...not for several rides would be awesome. > > Kirt > 99 F4 > Annandale, Va > 550+ Mp3s From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 19:25:31 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:24:23 EST Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Several companies are making portable CD players (like the discman) that >play regular CDs, burned CD-R, burned CD-RW, and Mp3. Name one. Make & model. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 20:23:10 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:23:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: 2-smokes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Brian (R that is ;-)) The YSR may have a smaller motor, but it is a much bigger bike overall than that S&M beast of an RS that McCoy had..sheesh! even I felt cramped up on that thing, and I am by no means a big person. Sadly enough, my son fit the thing better than any of us.. and he had just turned two when he sat on it! hehehe I'm still sulking cause I never got to take a ride on that thing! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 21:34:51 2000 X-Originating-IP: [165.247.81.197] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:34:16 PST This SOUNDS :-) GREAT. But how many of you all have really been happy with the sound quality of a portable CD player on your bike? I've found that I couldn't find a really good place to put the thing without getting skiping and cut outs. Even tucked into my jacket was a problem. I tried it with two, one of which was supposedly build for automotive duty. I currently use a Sony water-resistant sports model walkman tape player. But even that has some problems. The tape player picks up interference from the ignition system. The radio does too, but FM is actualy better than the tape player. Headphone cord placement really plays a role here too. > >If you convert your music to Mp3 files (at a reasonable > > bit-rate), you can fit upwards of 8 hours onto a single CD!!! > > > > As you can tell, I'm practically aroused at the thought of this device. > > These are in production and will be available soon. If anyone is > > interested, I can get more info (and maybe we can get some wholesale >pricing > > in advance). Lemme know... Not having to change the CD when you ride, >or > > hell...not for several rides would be awesome. > >> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 21:58:16 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 21:57:30 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Last summer I carved the foam out behind the ears in my RF800. Stuck in headphones and bought a $40 40 second skip CD player. Goes in the map section of my tank bag. Only time it skips is when I tuck and bang the chin on the top of the player. The RF800 is a pretty loud helmet - but the mod didn't add any additional noise. Can hear music and traffic clearly. At 09:34 PM 2/1/2000 , Doug Allis wrote: >This SOUNDS :-) GREAT. > >But how many of you all have really been happy with the sound quality of a >portable CD player on your bike? I've found that I couldn't find a really >good place to put the thing without getting skiping and cut outs. Even >tucked into my jacket was a problem. I tried it with two, one of which was >supposedly build for automotive duty. I currently use a Sony >water-resistant sports model walkman tape player. But even that has some >problems. The tape player picks up interference from the ignition system. >The radio does too, but FM is actualy better than the tape player. >Headphone cord placement really plays a role here too. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 22:53:32 2000 X-Originating-IP: [63.24.102.9] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 22:52:57 EST I haven't posted in a while, and I know this may not be a popular opinion, BUT.....don't we have enough distractions on the road with out isolating ourselves from outside noise (car horns ect.) that may tip up off to a dangerous situation? Now don't get me wrong, music is my life. I play in a band ( www.conflictedinterest.com )( I'm so ashamed for this self promoting plug ) and use in-ear monitors, they sound fantastic! But just by hearing the sound of tires whining next to you (and you WON'T hear that with "In-ear" systems) might alert you to a possibly un-seen obstacle/danger. Just my opinion, Razz 99 ZX9-R 83 LTD440 77 KZ650 www.conflictedinterest.com damn! I did it again ;-) > >This SOUNDS :-) GREAT. > >But how many of you all have really been happy with the sound quality of a >portable CD player on your bike? I've found that I couldn't find a really >good place to put the thing without getting skiping and cut outs. Even >tucked into my jacket was a problem. I tried it with two, one of which was >supposedly build for automotive duty. I currently use a Sony >water-resistant sports model walkman tape player. But even that has some >problems. The tape player picks up interference from the ignition system. >The radio does too, but FM is actualy better than the tape player. >Headphone >cord placement really plays a role here too. >> >If you convert your music to Mp3 files (at a reasonable >> > bit-rate), you can fit upwards of 8 hours onto a single CD!!! >> > >> > As you can tell, I'm practically aroused at the thought of this device. >> > These are in production and will be available soon. If anyone is >> > interested, I can get more info (and maybe we can get some wholesale >>pricing >> > in advance). Lemme know... Not having to change the CD when you ride, >>or >> > hell...not for several rides would be awesome. >> >> > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 1 23:16:49 2000 From: BigDaddySeanBDS@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:16:13 EST Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thank god someone has some sense..... maybe we should all watch some tv while were at it.... (sorry, exagerating a little...) bds >>I haven't posted in a while, and I know this may not be a popular opinion, >>BUT.....don't we have enough distractions on the road with out isolating >>ourselves from outside noise (car horns ect.) that may tip up off to a >>dangerous situation? >>Now don't get me wrong, music is my life. I play in a band ( >>www.conflictedinterest.com )( I'm so ashamed for this self promoting plug ) >>and use in-ear monitors, they sound fantastic! But just by hearing the sound >>of tires whining next to you (and you WON'T hear that with "In-ear" systems) >>might alert you to a possibly un-seen obstacle/danger. >> >>Just my opinion, >> >>Razz From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 02:04:40 2000 From: KGray96057@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 02:03:44 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Hmmm... When I tried this, I used my trusty Panasonic 40 second anti skip CD player. Only time it ever skipped during my short test ride was when Xena and I hit a pothole so hard I thought we had fork damage. This same player has done yeoman service in my Geo Tracker, and that is _not_ the smoothest ride out there. Kendall From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 08:50:52 2000 From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Is it helmet law time yet? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:56:58 -0500 Forgive my rather slow reply, but others may be lead astray by the numbers cited in the e-mail as included below. >1. Passage of the helmet law in California resulted in a 500% increase in >spinal cord injuries. This is in spite of the fact that motorcycle >registrations dropped over 30% over the first two years of the helmet law, >and have not recovered. >4.....The death rate in California dropped from 2.8 deaths per >hundred accidents in 1991 to 2.4 deaths per hundred in 1992, primarily due >to a change in the way the CHP collects their data, a change which resulted >in many more minor accidents being added to the totals; accidents which did >not lead to deaths or serious injuries, and which, consequently, diluted >the totals. Last year the death rate had risen back to 2.6 and is still >increasing. So what? CORRELATION provides no necessary demonstration of CAUSATION, so again, we must rely on subjective interpretation to mathematical data. Only controlled experiments allow us to demonstrate cause (in a practical sense as I am sure you Hume fans will attest). I would be more interested in what statistics show as the correlation between the cost of premiums and the existence of helmet laws. Show me the money, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 09:18:02 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'Doug Allis'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:17:56 -0500 For those of you willing to pay some extra money, try a minidisc player. I have one that I use occasionally and I have never (and I mean *never*) had it skip, no matter what the vibration. It's better for a motorcycle application, IMO, since it's a) smaller, and b) the discs are much more durable and easy to insert. Not that I do this while moving, but when you have gloved hands it's no problem. The minidisc player that I have can fit in a jacket pocket too, so there's no need to bring a tank bag along just for the music. Not only that, but you can put together your own mixes - this is nice if you want a collection of high-adrenaline music, just smooth instrumentals etc. I have to admit, however, that I don't use it too often. I also agree with one of the other listers that it's not as safe as riding without it. Unlike the PC800 listers on this thread, I own a Honda VTR, and I often enjoy listening to the motor more than any prerecorded music I could find anyway. :^) I usually only use the player when I know that I have a long, boring interstate ride in front of me. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Allis [SMTP:dhallis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 9:34 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; pc800@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > This SOUNDS :-) GREAT. > > But how many of you all have really been happy with the sound quality of a > > portable CD player on your bike? I've found that I couldn't find a really > > good place to put the thing without getting skiping and cut outs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 09:28:37 2000 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:27:42 -0500 I disagree. the mindisc is going to be another one of the dying technologies and its expensive to boot. Find a good portable CD player that doesn't skip. There are some pretty good ones out there. Glenn -----Original Message----- For those of you willing to pay some extra money, try a minidisc player. I have one that I use occasionally and I have never (and I mean *never*) had it skip, no matter what the vibration. It's better for a motorcycle application, IMO, since it's a) smaller, and b) the discs are much more durable and easy to insert. Not that I do this while moving, but when you have gloved hands it's no problem. The minidisc player that I have can fit in a jacket pocket too, so there's no need to bring a tank bag along just for the music. Not only that, but you can put together your own mixes - this is nice if you want a collection of high-adrenaline music, just smooth instrumentals etc. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 09:30:29 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 06:30:22 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: DCCycles --- Razz Man wrote: > I haven't posted in a while, and I know this may not > be a popular opinion, > BUT.....don't we have enough distractions on the > road with out isolating ourselves from outside noise :-) On longer rides, music is much better than the voices. No matter how effective they say the aluminum foil is, after a few hours the voices return. Drowning them out with music does wonders toward mitigating the insantity caused by the voices. /:-) Nobody makes the same complaints about car stereos. There is no difference between having the stereo on in a car and listening to the music on a bike. Both vehicle operators would do better to listen for road hazards, and yes, some road hazard noises will be drowned out by the music. Attentive vehicle operators must make rational decisions (there go those voices again.) Music, heated clothing, comfortable seating positions, cruise control and other items that add to operator comfort prevent fatigue and allow the operator to remain alert for longer periods of time. In my opinion these items add to safey, rather than detract from it. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 09:45:21 2000 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:42:10 -0500 Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Agreed. But mostly because I'm too lazy to hook it all up and pick CDs for a short ride. However, when we road 2,000 miles or so to Bike week and back ... the system got ALOT of playing time. Believe it or not ... engine noise tends to get a bit boring after the first several hours. :-) --chris '94 RF900r To: 'Doug Allis' , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX cc: From: "Weaver, Chris" Date: 02/02/2000 02:17:56 PM GMT Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... --snip-- :^) I usually only use the player when I know that I have a long, boring interstate ride in front of me. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 10:00:46 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 06:45:56 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Is it helmet law time yet? To: Michael Jay , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" That's part of the problem. Look at this objectively, most motorcycle insurance doesn't include medical payments for the motorcycle operator. If medical payments are included, they are for passengers (optional coverage.) Liability coverage which is the mandatory part of insurance only covers the damage you do to others. Motorcyclists don't run over other motorcyclists very often; car drivers run over motorcyclists. If insurance costs drop as a result of helmet laws, most of the costs would be associated with the liability costs of automobile insurance. Do you suppose that's why the insurance companies support helmet laws? It would save them and their customers money without adversely affecting any of their choices. Leon. --- Michael Jay wrote: > Forgive my rather slow reply, but others may be lead > astray by > the numbers cited in the e-mail as included below. > > > >1. Passage of the helmet law in California resulted > in a 500% increase in > >spinal cord injuries. This is in spite of the fact > that motorcycle > >registrations dropped over 30% over the first two > years of the helmet law, > >and have not recovered. > > > > >4.....The death rate in California dropped from 2.8 > deaths per > >hundred accidents in 1991 to 2.4 deaths per hundred > in 1992, primarily due > >to a change in the way the CHP collects their data, > a change which resulted > > >in many more minor accidents being added to the > totals; accidents which did > > >not lead to deaths or serious injuries, and which, > consequently, diluted > >the totals. Last year the death rate had risen back > to 2.6 and is still > >increasing. > > > So what? CORRELATION provides no necessary > demonstration of CAUSATION, so > again, we must rely on subjective interpretation to > mathematical data. > > Only controlled experiments allow us to demonstrate > cause (in a practical > sense as I am sure you Hume fans will attest). > > I would be more interested in what statistics show > as the correlation > between the cost of premiums and the existence of > helmet laws. > > Show me the money, > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 10:00:32 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:58:56 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Leon Begeman CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... I'm with Razz man. When cruising in my trip-o-van I don't play the radio and it has no tape deck or CD player. Forget adding tunes to my bike. I prefer the noise of the machine and the wind. And I have a fertile imagination, so getting lost in my thoughts while scoping out road hazards is easy and fun. Besides, thye quit making good music somewhere around `64. Bill moldy oldie > > On longer rides, music is much better than the voices. > No matter how effective they say the aluminum foil > is, after a few hours the voices return. Drowning > them out with music does wonders toward mitigating the > insantity caused by the voices. > /:-) > > Nobody makes the same complaints about car stereos. > There is no difference between having the stereo on in > a car and listening to the music on a bike. Both > vehicle operators would do better to listen for road > hazards, and yes, some road hazard noises will be > drowned out by the music. > > Attentive vehicle operators must make rational > decisions (there go those voices again.) Music, > heated clothing, comfortable seating positions, cruise > control and other items that add to operator comfort > prevent fatigue and allow the operator to remain alert > for longer periods of time. In my opinion these items > add to safey, rather than detract from it. > > Leon. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 10:25:40 2000 X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.183] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:25:05 EST > >Nobody makes the same complaints about car stereos. >There is no difference between having the stereo on in >a car and listening to the music on a bike. Both >vehicle operators would do better to listen for road >hazards, and yes, some road hazard noises will be >drowned out by the music. > > >Leon. > I agree with your general statement. The main difference is that "in ear" systems isolate outside noise sources. While car stereos played at moderate levels, will still allow you hear traffic noise, moderate levels played on "in-ear" systems won't. And yes, I know that the "power stereos" will greatly reduce this, but I am talking average here. Razz 99 ZX9-R 83 LTD440 77 KZ650 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 10:48:12 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:47:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >I agree with your general statement. The main difference is that "in ear" >systems isolate outside noise sources. While car stereos played at >moderate levels, will still allow you hear traffic noise, moderate levels >played on "in-ear" systems won't. And yes, I know that the "power stereos" >will greatly reduce this, but I am talking average here. By in-ear do you mean all headphone systems, or just the ones that go inside the ear? If the latter, then I would agree. But headphones in general can be made to allow external noise in (such as the ones that I use). I love the sound of the bike, but on long touring rides it keeps me more entertained. Just have to concentrate a bit more. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 11:11:56 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:11:38 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: Razz Man , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Razz Man wrote: > I agree with your general statement. The main > difference is that "in ear" > systems isolate outside noise sources. While car > stereos played at moderate > levels, will still allow you hear traffic noise, > moderate levels played on > "in-ear" systems won't. And yes, I know that the > "power stereos" will > greatly reduce this, but I am talking average here. Ear plugs, which are a highly recommended item for motorcyclists reduce this noise as well. It is medically dangerous to ride for more than about 15 minutes without them. I use the best (in terms of noise reduction) in-ear foam ear plugs I can find, and run the stereo through helmet speakers over them at a high enough volume to understand the weather and traffic reports. Maryland law states that using more than one speaker is illegal. But in my experience, travelling at twice the posted speed limit is both more dangerous and more likely to get you a traffic ticket than having twice too many speakers in your helmet. I feel safer with foam earplugs and music. Yes, it blocks out many other road noises, your mileage may vary. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 11:56:46 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:56:07 EST Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think the "isolates you from noise" thing is a wash here in comparison to cars. Modern (cage) vehicles are now built with all sorts of noise deadening material to "keep road noise out of the cabin". Get in a new camry, turn on the stock radio at a fairly low level, and you won't hear a thing in the next lane over until the guy lays on the horn. Even my new truck (not exactly a quiet vehicle traditionally) exhibits this behavior. Get in one of these my-stereo-is-worth-more-than-my-car setups, and you're not hearing a damn thing outside that cabin (even after you get out of the car :) ). I haven't ridden with headphones for years (not for any particular reason... just haven't done it), but I don't think it's any more isolating than a car stereo. You can still hear when someone lays on the horn, and if you're paying attention and scanning the road and mirrors, you should see something coming WAY before you hear it. Just my $.02 - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 13:31:27 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:31:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Valid point here....but how do you expect to get going fast enough in the twisties on a m/c without the assistance of, for example, Tool, Korn or White Zombie? At some point safety must take a back seat to Satan. ;) --- Razz Man wrote: > I haven't posted in a while, and I know this may not > be a popular opinion, > BUT.....don't we have enough distractions on the > road with out isolating > ourselves from outside noise (car horns ect.) that > may tip up off to a > dangerous situation? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 13:35:55 2000 From: "Smith, Steven" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Jenspeed Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:37:03 -0500 Dearly Beloved, I would like to thank the lister who referred me to Jenspeed (http://www.Jenspeed.com/). Just received my Alpinestars GP Tech boots, which were of the correct size thanks to some unselfish phone time on Paul's part, and couldn't be happier with the price ($235US) or service (not as fast as some, but look at that price). For accessories and non-OEM parts I would recommend you give them your consideration. Crash (less cranky about the snow since getting my package last night) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 13:36:30 2000 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: cost of riding (more) and long this time Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:35:46 -0500 Purchase cost minus current value means nothing to me because I run a vehicle into the ground before I get rid of it. But I can tell you the two vehicles that I will compare are my Corolla and my Magna. Of course I don't use the Magna for commuting but both vehicles were about the same purchase price. I got them both used. Again I can't give you the numbers with as many miles for the Magna because I don't commute with it. What I can tell you is that for maintenance I have spent more money per mile on that vehicle then my Corolla. I don't see why this is so hard for some of you to figure out. Look at the maintenance requirements for just about ANY bike and you can they are much more frequent then just about any car. Also, its common sense that tires wear out faster on a bike regardless of tire compound because they do much more work then car tires. Mile per mile driving down the road its going to cost you more on two wheels then 4. As far as the tires on my car that lasted 65K miles are not "hard" they just happen to be very good quality Michelins that last. I think you can ask Mr. McCoy or Mr. Norton, or Mr. Peer how well those tires on that car stick. :-) I guess you haven't bought decent car tires in many years. Just about anything anyone offers now lasts 60K miles or more. And I'd like to see a motorcycle tire that lasts 35K miles and that you won't slip all over the road with in ALL conditions. So if you follow the book for maintenance here is what I have: Magna (purchased with 3300 miles, now has 32,000), Corolla (purchased with 100K miles, now has 173K miles) Tires: 6 rear and three fronts. Figure $90 each for the rear and $85 or so for the front. Lets not forget mounting costs. $28 each one with the rim off the bike. Oh, wait a minute we need to compare apples to apples here, let me put that rim back on and have the dealer do that since that's what I do with my car. $50 a rim. And these are bias ply and I put on Metzelers. Sure I could have put on Chang Shin and save $20 per tire but would it be worth it? Total cost for less then 30K miles? Lets see, 6 rears: $540. Three fronts: $255. Mounting for each: Nine times is $450 for a grand total of $1245. I'll even knock off $300 for using Chang Chin tires and its still almost $1000 just for tires!!!! My Corolla would still be working on its first set of tires @ 30K miles that I had mounted and balanced for less then $250. I've since mounted another set, of course if we project the bikes cost for tires for another 30K miles its going to be close to $2000. Spark plugs: figure the math. Book says 4K miles so that's when I'm going to replace them. So that's about 7 sets of plugs for the Magna. Even with Collin's no resistor cheapo spark plugs that's $28. I still like to use OEM. Dealer plugs though are $4 each which is $112. Total cost for Corolla??? A whopping $4 for the OEM plugs I got at the local dealer. And I only needed one set because the book says 30K miles for replacement. Chain: One Chain for the Magna or was that two? Anyhow, $90 for a decent chain. No chain for the Car. I did however replace the timing belt so that cost me about $50 in OEM parts. Wonder how much the OEM chain for the Magna would have cost??? Regulator: The bike regulator was $120 mail order, typical Honda problem. Although it still didn't fix the problem. I did put a new alternator on the Corolla for about $90 rebuilt. Batteries: Hey, looks like I've put a new one in the Magna almost every year since I've owned it and I've had it since 88. So lets just say 5 batteries to be fair even though I know its been closer to 10. So what are they, $30 each, $40 each??? That's $150 or $190. Still on the same battery on the Corolla after the 73K miles I've put on it. Brake Lines: When the Magna got about 8 years old I put on a new front because the line was swelling so much and the bike wouldn't stop. Didn't get the OEM, I put on braided. it cost me around $50. A few years later the clutch did the same thing. Another $50. Oh and I priced the OEM clutch line, $128. So that's about $200 or so for the bike of course the car hasn't needed ANY of this. Gas... bike beats me here. Its gets about 42-44. My car gets around 35 on a good day. I'll let you figure out if that beats the tires out and everything else the car has whipped up on the bike. Taxes: They are about the same which is pretty much nothing. Sticker price is $7 more for the car. Bike wins here. Can't think of anything else that I've had to do to either of them besides other routine maintenance (besides buying a bogus part for the car that I didn't need). They both have one problem. The bike eats batteries and the car has a hesitation with the carb that I know eats more gas then it should. I use the same oil and change them at the same amount of mileage. Only thing is the OEM bike filters cost twice as much. Brake pads seems to be about the same price although the bikes have to be replaced sooner then the car, about twice as much. There really are no other expenses that I can think of. The insurance on the bike is a little cheaper but I'm sure if I told the insurance company I use it for to and from work travel it would get hiked up. What other expenses are there??? Maybe if you've got a junker car like Daniel it might be cheaper for a bike but if you've got a good little reliable economy car and a nice little reliable bike the car is going to win out for expenses per mile. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 8:24 AM To: "'DC@XXXXXX Cycles'"; Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM Subject: RE: cost of riding (more) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" >Believe me my numbers are actual numbers. Your numbers are real, but not inclusive - if you want to compare numbers please include ALL of them - purchase cost (minus current value), insurance, taxes, etc. Just picking these replacement parts isn't enough. > But even >tires that last 15K miles, you are still losing money on the bike because >that's almost double the cost for tires alone. Like I said its nothing to >get a set of car tires to do 75K miles for only about $200. Those must be rock-hard tires! In my experience, 40-50,000 mi. is more typical of reasonable quality tires. And they sure don't cost only $200! The bike does require better tires, since they're so much more important. But if want cheap, go get a Cheng Shin from JC Whitney - they last 30-35,000 mi. on a motorcycle. Personally, though, I want more traction than that. >And agreed, I think we' all rather be on bikes, just wish parts were not so >expensive. Agreed. But lets consider ALL the costs. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 14:04:52 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:03:56 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cost of riding (more) and long this time Okay, that does it! I've got the stake who's got the gasoline? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 14:37:04 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:05:09 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: cost of riding To: DCCycles Nice analysis, Glenn. Bikes are more expensive, but don't you dare tell my wife that, I told her it's a lawn tractor, I could never justify owning a motorcycle. :-) > And I'd like to see a > motorcycle tire that lasts 35K miles and that you > won't slip all over the > road with in ALL conditions. The Metzelers on the lawn tractor come to mind. ME88 in back, ME33 up front. They go about that far. Although I couldn't keep up with the Magna, I wasn't too far behind and at least part of that was the fact that your V30 has a bunch more cc's. If I can ever get the new ME880s in the radial size, I'll let you know how they feel. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 14:55:47 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:52:16 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: cost of riding (more) and long this time To: "'DC Cycles'" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Glenns unique situation................ Magna Corolla Tires 0. $1245 $110.39 Plugs 1. 112 4.00 Chain 2. 180 50.00 Reg/Alt 3. 120 90.00 Batt 4. 170 0.00 Brakes 5. 100 0.00 Gas 6. 800.93 984.00 Oil 7. 100.38 129.06 Filter 7. 57.36 28.60 $2885.67 $1396.05 0. Corolla based on cost/mile for 28,700 miles 1. I think you're nuts to change plugs every 4k. My service manual for the CB750 and the ST1100 (and as I recall the VT500) says inspect every 8k and replace every 16. 2. This is sort of a bogus comparison since the Corolla isn't driven with a chain. I'll give it to you, though had your motorcycle NOT had so many miles, it would be a questionable expense. 3. I gave you the Regulator even though you didn't need it. 4. Battery! If it wasn't the regulator, there something very wrong with your charging system. I have yet to replace the battery in my CB750 (8 years old), and just recently did so on the ST1100 (9 years old). Bogus expense. 5. Another bogus expense. OEM on my bikes work just fine. 6. Both figures based on 28,700 miles and your mpg estimates 7. Based on guesstimate that the Corolla takes at least 1 more quart than the magna, and allowing for 9.56 changes in 28,700 miles. Filter cost is $6 and $3. Just looking at the numbers above, Glenns situation seems provable and plausible. It costs more to operate the Magna than it does the Corolla. Tires seem to be the biggest expense culprit. If you costed them equally, take away the bogus regulator/battery/brake line expenses, the costs of operation of these two vehicles are within $200, the Magna being more expensive. There are a few things missing though. First off, Glenn is one of the most fastidious people I know. He can't stand even a little dirt on his babies, so some of this won't apply. He didn't mention car wheel alignment. I don't care if you buy the best car tires in the world, if your car is mis-aligned then kiss those tires goodbye within 15k. The Corolla may be exceptional in keeping it's alignment, I don't know. Also, there was no mention of brake pads. Don't need em? Finally, someone mentioned this argument was like comparing apples and oranges. Isn't it? I mean couldn't we compare bicycle maintenance to car maintenance, mile/mile? How about busline commuters to car commuters. Who pays more, mile/mile. I just don't see the relevance of comparing the cost of maintaining two very different vehicles. If it costs less to drive a car, and that's all you care about, go drive a car. I personally have come to terms that motorcycles demand 110% of my income, and that's just fine. Because given the rational, pragmatic choice, I'd rather ride. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM [mailto:Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 1:36 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Cc: 'cnorloff@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: cost of riding (more) and long this time > > > Purchase cost minus current value means nothing to me because I run a > vehicle into the ground before I get rid of it. But I > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 15:32:45 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:31:57 EST Subject: Re: cost of riding (more) and long this time To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/2/00 3:01:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > Finally, someone mentioned this argument was like comparing apples > and oranges. Isn't it? I mean couldn't we compare bicycle maintenance > to car maintenance, mile/mile? How about busline commuters to > car commuters. Who pays more, mile/mile. There's a caveat to this as well - even the magna is far superior in performance to the corola in terms of acceleration, handling, etc. Comparing a sportbike to an econobox is even more severe - the better comparison is to look at something like a C5 corvette, BMW M3, or porsche. Trust me on this one - your tires do NOT last 35k miles, and they aren't that cheap :) The new rubber going on my vintage porsche is almost $250 a piece, and I *might* get 10k miles out of them. Gas milage is a joke ( ~ 20mpg), and let's not even talk about insurance, 'k? On top of that - comparable performace in a motorcycle costs a fraction of the purchase price for an equal (or less than equal) auto. A better comparison to the corolla would be something like a rebel 250 - the econobox of motorcycles (or any other 250 - 500cc bike for that matter - maybe even a dual sport). Tires are cheaper and last longer, it gets 60mpg, and requires very little in the way of maint. Insurance is also almost nothing. Purchase price... $3500 new, $1000 - $1500 mint used. Etc, etc, etc. You cannot get a new, warranteed corolla for $3500. I think if you look at it with comparable performace indexing, the bike IS cheaper. No offense to the corolla of course :) As always, my $.02 - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 16:31:24 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:30:21 -0500 Last year I asked about amps to pump up the volume on my Walkman so I could hear it through my ear plugs. My question prompted several good answers, most were co$tly. Two cheep solutions: 1) Koss "The Plug" Basically an audio tube through ear plugs. Folks on the SabMag list, who tried 'em, love 'em. $20 at Sears, etc. Some complained about the quality of the plug material so, they melted a hole through a pair of good ear plugs (Howard Leights). I've not tried "The Plug" because of 2) below and my right ear canal is pretty narrow. 2) Amplifier from computer speakers. I ripped the amp from a set of $10!! speakers at CVS. Cobbled together 9 volts worth of AA batteries in a RS holder. Amp went into a plastic bottle, battery holder in a plastic baggie. Total cost maybe $16. Carl in Bethesda - still wary about the sheets of ice across the roads in the mornings. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 17:21:20 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:20:54 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:04:50 EST Subject: BC 1100 Anybody notice problems with your BC 1100 during the cold weather? Mine won't register speed correctly until the temp get above ,say 35 or so. Bob From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 18:09:10 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:08:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:17:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: superbowl party LOL....What Brian said... someone video the kitchen talk, since my redheaded half won't be around to add fuel to the fire.. or whatever other good euphamism fits the talk in there ;-) Anyone else on the list going to the MARRC awards banquet next Saturday??? Brian R, Jeff??? I'll be in town late Friday, attending the banquet, then heading out sometime Sunday morning... Hope I'll see some of ya'll there... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 18:17:00 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:16:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:12:48 -0500 X-Accept-Language: en Subject: Dyno tuning Was wondering what a reasonable cost for dyno tuning a bike is? Just the actual tuning, all the stuff (e.g., exhaust, jet kit, etc.) is already installed. I was told $300 by the guys at Fast Lane in Chantilly, VA and wanted to know if that was about right. Thanx! Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 18:20:47 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:20:22 -0500 (EST) From: JEM Broga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:42:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Dyno tuning/prices X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Try calling Steve at SpeedWerks to get another price and see if Fast Lane is reasonable (302)697-7043. Not sure what they charge, but they are good guys. Jonathan Broga JEM Racing '99 SV650X - CCS#500 Sponsored by: http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.centurypool.com > Was wondering what a reasonable cost for dyno tuning a bike is? Just > the actual tuning, all the stuff (e.g., exhaust, jet kit, etc.) is > already installed. I was told $300 by the guys at Fast Lane in > Chantilly, VA and wanted to know if that was about right. Thanx! > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 18:39:27 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: when does riding season start Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:38:32 -0500 Daniel wondered, "ok when can i expect the weather to be warm enough to ride as if it were summer time.. I guess meaning 55+ degrees. I figure i'd ask and let the old wise men speak the ones who know the area, and weather patterns... someone said it will be 55 degrees wednesday. I'm wondering when I can expect to be riding every day very comfortably... Depends on your gear, willingness, and what La Nina, El Nino, or "La Mamma" are doing in the Pacific. We've had snowless winters and snow on the cherry blossoms in April. Distance from the Bay and altitude are important: It'll be nice an green here in April, but the trees may still be bare on Catoctin & South Mountains. Late last April, we ran into ice and sleet in WV (Macomber), snow in Deep Creek, and I planted tomatoes in Bethesda the next week end. Predictability is iffy. Long ago, when I lived in Texas, the weather changed faster but was way more predictable. Summate about the proximity of the mountains with the ocean . . . and whether there's a hot political debate going on. I predict in this election year, the hot air from pundits alone will warm the month of March to May-like temperatures. Carl in Bethesda (hoping & wishing) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 19:47:28 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: music while riding Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:45:52 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hey Gimer.. what about Prodigy while cruising back from a 33/250 run? *grin* I'm a strong advicate of earplugs, and love my tuens, especially while riding out of town on the twisties. I love the tunes so much, I wired the CD player to the bikes charging system so I never needed batteries, I bough a $20 headphone amp (that'll run both speakers for me and a passanger), I installed speakers in my Arai helmet, with a quick-disconnect plug at the helmet. My $60 40sec anti-skip CD player was downright near impossible to skip (Todd Peer took me down a road that skipped it though.. sheesh) - course, the anti-skip chip burnt out after 2 years of riding like that - but I can write it off as a consumable. I can still hear emergency vehicle sirens, horns, squeeling tires and dimly, tire noise. The things that are important to hear, are definatally there. Not to mention that (can't remember where I read it) there's a study showing that drivers are more alert WITH a radio/music playing at moderate levels. (Yea, yea.. don't throw the 'turning down the radio to search for a place' thing - that's short term concentration). Everyone's going to have an opinion... that's the nature of things. Personally, I'm interested in the CD w/MP3 capability players.. but only if it has some massive anti-skip (40 sec min). Guess I'll have to actually become interested in the MP3 fad though.. *sigh* and I wanted to avoid that chaos. Cheers, Brian McCoy P.S. Glenn dives like a madman - trying to slide the tires, and push their limits (car) all the time. Him getting 70k miles from those would be like Collin getting 10K from a set of 207GPs From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 21:18:07 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:17:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:47:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: dyno tuning Who did you talk to at Fast Lane?? Rick has one bonehead working the counter that always gets things wrong. Maybe he thought you needed a jet kit of some sort too.... In the past, I think their rate was $50/hour on the dyno....not sure if that includes the mechanic doing changes.. obviously some bikes are easier than others...A GSXR is designed for rapid carb/jetting changes, so you can do numberous changes in an hour, whereas a CBR is much mroe difficult. The best thing to do is to go down to their shop and talk with one of the mechanics, or Rick himself. Also, whoever you go to, be sure to take all the spare jets and such that came with your jet kit, otherwise you will end up paying for any jet changes.....(about $5-$8 per jet I believe) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 21:59:18 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:58:55 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:22:27 EST Subject: Several bikes for sale. (CHERRY GSXR!) GET YOURS NOW! Here's what I have up for grabs! Be the lucky buyer today! 1978 Honda Hawk II. 400cc air-cooled parallel twin. Blue. Great overall condition. Tires, chain and sprockets replaced recently. No rust, chrome is in good condition. Small Shoei fairing to acompany. Carbs will need cleaned/rebuilt, but nothing major. Excellent beginner bike for that loved one, or something cheap and fun. Front disc, rear drum. Comstar wheels.$450 obo. 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F 700cc ('84 tariff-beater motor) V4. Silver/grey custom paint. After market lower fairing. Rear tire near new, brand new front tire. New battery and chain. Dual Super-Trapps. Own a legendary sportbike! $1,000 obo. And my friend is selling.... 1996 Suzuki GSXR 3800 miles. New-ish tires. Properly broken in. Damn near mint condition...I have trouble believing the guy ever rode it at all!!! Two AGV helmets and a tank bag acompany. $7,000 negotiable. I believe it was the copper/brown colour-scheme. Any questions or comments, please e-mail me! If you know of anyone looking for a bike, pass this on. I'm trying to finance a race-bike (and my father wants his garage back). -Sean Jordan (703)-609-6147 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 22:21:33 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:21:09 -0500 (EST) From: Leon Begeman To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:50:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: BC 1100 Mine worked perfectly on Saturday. It was cold enough early in the morning that I got some ice in my drinking water, but the speedo stayed accurate. (BC1200, not 1100 but they're probably similar) Leon --- McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > Anybody notice problems with your BC 1100 during the > cold weather? Mine won't > register speed correctly until the temp get above > ,say 35 or so. > Bob > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 22:57:39 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 22:56:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Headers Anyone notice all the headers popping up in list mail recently? Whats with "ryan@XXXXXX" At 10:21 PM 2/2/2000 , Leon Begeman wrote: >Return-Path: >Received: from ns1.accn.org (ns1.accn.org [216.120.151.5]) > by tiberius.accn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08493 > for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:35:14 -0500 (EST) >Received: from tiberius.accn.org ([216.120.150.10]) > by ns1.accn.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08244 > for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:01:51 -0500 (EST) >Received: from meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) > by tiberius.accn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03126 > for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:59:55 -0500 (EST) >Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com >[128.11.23.76]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21012 for >; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:50:42 -0500 (EST) >Received: (qmail 27194 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2000 16:50:39 -0000 >Message-ID: <20000110165039.27193.qmail@XXXXXX> >Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 >08:50:39 PST >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:50:39 -0800 (PST) >Subject: Re: BC 1100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 23:03:53 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:03:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Jenspeed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Steven, That IS a good price on the Alpinestars.... I missed the original post, or I would have recommended a trip down to Fast Lane Cycles in Chantilly... Rick caries the Sidi Vertebrae boots at the same price you paid for the Alpinestars (in fact, I think they go for $225, but I may be mistaken.. haven't been in his shop in a while for obvious reasons). In my opinion, these are about the best boots you can buy right now. The Daytona Safety boot is arguably better, but at nearly $700 they better be!! The Vertebrae hold up very nicely through crashes...mine are still like new. Also, they have screw on toe sliders which are way more convenient to the glued or velcroed ones... Oh well... You still got a very good pair of boots at a very good price.. Collin Steven wrote: Just received my Alpinestars GP Tech boots, which were of the correct size thanks to some unselfish phone time on Paul's part, and couldn't be happier with the price ($235US) or service (not as fast as some, but look at that price). ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 23:18:40 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:18:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: car vs bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Glenn, The part of my argument is that for a pure commuter, mid 80's UJM bike, there is no need to be as anal as you are about your magna. It is a beautiful specimen for those that haven't seen it, looks like it should still be on the showroom floor... but don't be fooled, Glenn has ridden it many many miles. My point though, is that that is an exception to the rule.... The average econobox commuter doesn't get 3k mile oil changes.... they are lucky to get 10k mile oil changes... same for the bike .. push it back to say 5k or 6k... get oil filters by mail order at $4 a pop, use cheap $1/qt dino oil, use $40/tire cheng shin or IRC's that last 15k miles... a shaft drive will last the life of the bike with only a light greasing at tire change time...forget changing the oil in the shaft itself...spark plugs will last 10k miles or more easily, and only cost a buck apiece to replace etc. etc.... Glenn wrote: I don't see why this is so hard for some of you to figure out. Look at the maintenance requirements for just about ANY bike and you can they are much more frequent then just about any car. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 2 23:42:11 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:42:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: weird digest To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Anyone else notice weird things on the digest tonight?? Near the end, there were several posts that were originally sent several weeks ago... very weird. OK.. I'll concede to the gentleman from Gallows Road that the Corolla is a bit cheaper per mile in strict operating costs :) But I don't have to like it!! hehehe Like Todd said.. Aren't we required by law or something to spend 110% of our disposable income on motorcycles or motorcycle accessories?? (said in my best Hank Hill voice) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 04:26:29 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 04:25:21 EST Subject: Re: Headers To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I just checked. http://www.accn.org belongs to Copyright 1998 Allegan County Community Network (ACCN) ACCN - A business unit of the ACISD 2891 116th Ave. Allegan, MI 49010-9004 ACISD appears to be ALLEGAN COUNTY INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL DISTRICT http://www.accn.org/~acisd Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 07:56:24 2000 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: cost of riding (more) and long this time Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 07:55:40 -0500 >1. I think you're nuts to change plugs every 4k. My service >manual for the CB750 and the ST1100 (and as I recall the VT500) >says inspect every 8k and replace every 16. Maybe so but like I said I've replaced them @ 6K miles and they were in pretty bad shape. Of course they may last longer with commuting. Most of the time riding that bike is near redline since that is where peak HP is. Obviously commuting wouldn't be as brutal to the plugs. >2. This is sort of a bogus comparison since the Corolla isn't >driven with a chain. I'll give it to you, though had your >motorcycle NOT had so many miles, it would be a questionable >expense. Well your right but Mr. Norloff wanted ALL the expenses. I had to replace the chain on the bike and put a timing belt on the car. >3. I gave you the Regulator even though you didn't need it. Leave it out, I don't care. Its only about $150. I can recover that in bike tire mountings. >4. Battery! If it wasn't the regulator, there something very >wrong with your charging system. I have yet to replace the battery >in my CB750 (8 years old), and just recently did so on the ST1100 >(9 years old). Bogus expense. Good, I'm hoping I don't have the same problem with the VFR. Does anyone have any OTHER suggestions to what it might be? I've cleaned all the ground wires, replaced the regulator and it still boils the water right out of the battery. The part that really sux is that you can be riding down the road when the battery decides its had enough and then you have to limp the bike home. Worst time was when I was on 647 and it went out. >5. Another bogus expense. OEM on my bikes work just fine. Which expense? The things that I've replaced that were not OEM were the braided lines and they were half the cost of OEM. Other then something (like braided lines) which have an obvious advantage over OEM, I always use OEM. >6. Both figures based on 28,700 miles and your mpg estimates Looks about right, you might want to ass some cost for the brake pads for the car since they were not free and they usually last about 45K miles. >7. Based on guesstimate that the Corolla takes at least 1 more >quart than the magna, and allowing for 9.56 changes in 28,700 >miles. Filter cost is $6 and $3. Nope, believe it or not they take the same amount. Maybe the Magna only takes three quarts but I thought it was closer to 4. Anyhow, I know the Corolla takes 3.5 quarts with filter. The filter for the Corolla is actually smaller then the Magna filter. >Just looking at the numbers above, Glenns situation seems provable and >plausible. It costs more to operate the Magna than it does the >Corolla. >Tires seem to be the biggest expense culprit. If you costed them >equally, take away the bogus regulator/battery/brake line expenses, >the costs of operation of these two vehicles are within $200, the Magna >being more expensive. >There are a few things missing though. First off, Glenn is one of >the most fastidious people I know. He can't stand even a little >dirt on his babies, so some of this won't apply. He didn't mention >car wheel alignment. I don't care if you buy the best car tires in >the world, if your car is mis-aligned then kiss those tires goodbye >within 15k. The Corolla may be exceptional in keeping it's >alignment, I don't know. Yep, the car has been exceptional in its alignment. I try and not bounce off curbs. :-) When I replaced the tires @ 65K they wore pretty evenly so I didn't bother with an alignment. >Also, there was no mention of brake pads. Don't need em? Yeah, it was in there, towards the bottom. I mentioned that the bike wears them out about twice as fast as the car and they cost about the same. >Finally, someone mentioned this argument was like comparing apples >and oranges. Isn't it? I mean couldn't we compare bicycle maintenance >to car maintenance, mile/mile? How about busline commuters to >car commuters. Who pays more, mile/mile. It may be comparing apples to oranges but that wasn't the argument. The argument was that its cheaper to operate a car then a bike. Some people bring up the argument that the Magna should be compared to a more expensive car and a sportbike to something like a vette, 911, etc. My point is that people commuting (or at least me) are looking to save money and won't use a C5 vette as a commuter. I have no need to get to work 1 minute faster, I just want to get there and get there cheap. I've got an MR2 turbo but I wouldn't commute with it, it eats rear tires @ 14K and fronts @ 17K. Other parts and maintenance for that car will also be more expensive then my commuter car. >I just don't see the relevance of comparing the cost of maintaining >two very different vehicles. If it costs less to drive a car, and >that's all you care about, go drive a car. I personally have come >to terms that motorcycles demand 110% of my income, and that's just >fine. Because given the rational, pragmatic choice, I'd rather ride. Agreed we'd all rather be riding. For me I'd rather save the riding for times when I don't have to go to work. My commute is 99% straight and full of traffic. To me that's no fun. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 09:48:20 2000 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 06:48:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: To: "Charles V. Pena" , DC Cycles That's their going rate and I think it's a crock. How can you charge a $300 flat rate (minimum) for tuning that might take less than an hour? Even better is Battley cycles....they'll tell you that to have it running well will cost $300, but to have it REALLY running well will cost another couple hundred. I love the logic....but then again, they sell Harleys. Logic doesn't apply there. uhoh --- "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > ATTACHMENT part TEXT message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:12:48 -0500 > Subject: Dyno tuning > > Was wondering what a reasonable cost for dyno tuning > a bike is? Just > the actual tuning, all the stuff (e.g., exhaust, jet > kit, etc.) is > already installed. I was told $300 by the guys at > Fast Lane in > Chantilly, VA and wanted to know if that was about > right. Thanx! > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at > http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 10:05:00 2000 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 07:04:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: music while riding To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Brian McCoy wrote: > Hey Gimer.. what about Prodigy while cruising back > from a 33/250 run? > *grin* Prodigy works too....and apparently so does Crystal Method! Ask that freak Todd about that one! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 10:45:11 2000 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 10:41:54 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: music while riding To: Tom Gimer , Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Don't leave out The Chemical Brothers or Meat Beat Manifesto if you're interested in real jail-time ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 10:05 AM > To: Brian McCoy; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: music while riding > > > --- Brian McCoy wrote: > > Hey Gimer.. what about Prodigy while cruising back > > from a 33/250 run? > > *grin* > > Prodigy works too....and apparently so does Crystal > Method! Ask that freak Todd about that one! > > > -- > tg > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 11:01:47 2000 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:01:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: music while riding To: Todd Peer , Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Todd Peer wrote: > Don't leave out The Chemical Brothers or Meat Beat > Manifesto if you're interested in real jail-time ;-) I'm always interested in real jail-time Todd....you know that! But METAL is the way to get there quicker and stay longer. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 10:05 AM > > To: Brian McCoy; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: music while riding > > > > --- Brian McCoy wrote: > > > Hey Gimer.. what about Prodigy while cruising > > > back from a 33/250 run? > > > *grin* > > > > Prodigy works too....and apparently so does > > Crystal Method! Ask that freak Todd about that > > one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 15:28:31 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: , , Subject: message rule test Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:36:10 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 do what you please...delete or ignore From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 3 16:44:44 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 16:43:59 -0500 Tom Gimer asked, "...but how do you expect to get going fast enough in the twisties on a m/c without the assistance of, for example, Tool, Korn or White Zombie? At some point safety must take a back seat to Satan. ;)" Yeah, but I found listening to Kanda Bongo Man is a little too intense for this old fart in the twisties. I agree with Leon that music is a safety feature on long stretches. I get way more bored in my Volvo than on the Sabre -- but some music in the background helps keep me alert. Look at it this way, after umpity years of driving a motorcycle, your monkey does most of the driving. Your conscious brain is just along to enjoy the ride but, still needed for unusual stuff the monkey can't handle. So keep your conscious brain entertained and alert with scenery and twisties -- lacking that, Bob Wills, Ernest Tubbs, and Elton Britt sprinkled with some Tejano, Cajun, and Caribbean tunes keep me wiggling in the saddle. Carl in Bethesda. Jerry Gray and Dick Spotswood rule! From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 03:38:17 2000 Date: 4 Feb 2000 08:34:58 -0000 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:27:42 -0500 "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: >I disagree. the mindisc is going to be another one of the dying >technologies and its expensive to boot. Find a good portable CD player that >doesn't skip. There are some pretty good ones out there. Doubt that. MD's are real popular in Japan and picking up speed in Europe. I bought one to take on TDY's and love it. Much better than a CDR because you can swap tracks/edit/record on the fly with the portable unit. Battery life is also usually longer. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 03:47:04 2000 Date: 4 Feb 2000 08:43:47 -0000 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:Portable Motorcycle Audio... On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:43:01 -0500 "Kirt S." wrote: >Before ANYONE buys one of those dinky MP3 players to have music while you >ride, listen up. > >Several companies are making portable CD players (like the discman) that >play regular CDs, burned CD-R, burned CD-RW, and Mp3. If you really want long play time,check this out: http://www.pjbox.com/main.htm There's several of these coming out now. Instead of card memory they're using hard drives for huge amounts of storage. Only down side is the initial prices are still way up there. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 03:48:58 2000 Date: 4 Feb 2000 08:45:41 -0000 From: "Gil Nissley" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:31:21 -0800 (PST) Tom Gimer wrote: >Valid point here....but how do you expect to get going >fast enough in the twisties on a m/c without the >assistance of, for example, Tool, Korn or White >Zombie? At some point safety must take a back seat to >Satan. ;) Hey,don't forget to support the local folks. How about some godhead and Illuminati instead? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 04:41:16 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 04:40:37 EST Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dynaryder@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/4/00 3:53:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, dynaryder@XXXXXX writes: > Hey,don't forget to support the local folks. How about some godhead and > Illuminati instead? The band Gil mentions above (Godhead) are great if you want to hear something a little different that still has rock roots (read: Lots of guitar). The lead singer/creator of the band is a long time friend, and my old band used to open for them (back in my gothrock days...). You can pick up the CD at any tower records, and check out their website at http://www.godhead.com to hear some clips Small World :) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 06:40:17 2000 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Gil Nissley'" Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 06:39:39 -0500 Believe it. Sales here in the states have been sluggish to put it mildly. Their audio quality isn't on par with CD because of all the compression that's required to fit on such a small disc, etc. Of curse the benefits of a CD-R are obvious, make data backups, copy CD's, make compilations of you own music and they work anywhere you have a regular CD player. Glenn -----Original Message----- On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:27:42 -0500 "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: >I disagree. the mindisc is going to be another one of the dying >technologies and its expensive to boot. Find a good portable CD player that >doesn't skip. There are some pretty good ones out there. Doubt that. MD's are real popular in Japan and picking up speed in Europe. I bought one to take on TDY's and love it. Much better than a CDR because you can swap tracks/edit/record on the fly with the portable unit. Battery life is also usually longer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 07:43:33 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 04:43:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Capitol 1000 To: DC-Cycles A while back, someone asked about the status of the Capitol 1000. The web page is now up and running (http://www.cap1000.org). The dates will be June 9-11th. Louis ===== Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA 1999: Capitol 1000; New England 1000; FitE V http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 08:33:04 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 08:31:32 -0500 From: Jay Goddard X-Accept-Language: en To: dc-cycles Subject: Music while riding You want to be woken up, you want to move, you need SKA. I can't remember the last time I heard the Mighty Mighty Bosstones and kept it under 120 MPH. My riding buddy always knows when a good tune starts, he sees me tuck a little and move my foot to drop 2 gears. I can't wait to do it to him on my new ZX11. He is going to be sorry he agreed to do a 50CC with me in April. Hi I'm Jay, it been 2 weeks since I rode my bike. I passed someone over the double yellow in my truck today but it was not the same. I yelled stupid cager and everything. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:01:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: music while riding To: Todd Peer , Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Todd Peer wrote: > Don't leave out The Chemical Brothers or Meat Beat > Manifesto if you're interested in real jail-time ;-) I'm always interested in real jail-time Todd....you know that! But METAL is the way to get there quicker and stay longer. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 10:05 AM > > To: Brian McCoy; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: music while riding > > > > --- Brian McCoy wrote: > > > Hey Gimer.. what about Prodigy while cruising > > > back from a 33/250 run? > > > *grin* > > > > Prodigy works too....and apparently so does > > Crystal Method! Ask that freak Todd about that > > one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 08:54:42 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX'" Subject: cost of riding Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:54:06 -0500 >4. Battery! If it wasn't the regulator, there something very >wrong with your charging system. I have yet to replace the battery >in my CB750 (8 years old), and just recently did so on the ST1100 >(9 years old). Bogus expense. Glenn hoped, "Good, I'm hoping I don't have the same problem with the VFR. Does anyone have any OTHER suggestions to what it might be? I've cleaned all the ground wires, replaced the regulator and it still boils the water right out of the battery. The part that really sux is that you can be riding down the road when the battery decides its had enough and then you have to limp the bike home. Worst time was when I was on 647 and it went out." My Sabre ('85 700S) had a tendency to dry out the battery - before I installed the driving lights. Now, I run the lights (110Watts) most of the time and I've been surprised that I haven't had to add water for the past year or so. Maybe burning that extra wattage lets the regulator do it's job better. Might be a good $20 fix and increase your conspicuity. Oh, I've found that Sam's & Wally's battery hold up as well as Yuasa's in both the Sabre and Suzuki (GS450E) Colin suggested, ". . . get oil filters by mail order at $4 a pop" Cheapest I had found Honda OEM filters for the SabMags was $6.00 at Banzai (RIP) That's about the same as Fram MC filters for that series. Of course there're cage filter equivalents - but if Glenn runs mostly at high RPM, I'd guess the cage filter bypass valve would be open most of the time due to high oil pressure. FWIW, The Federales reimburse Motorcycles at $.26 per mile, cages at .$325 per mile, and aeroplanes at $.88 per mile. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 09:53:47 2000 From: Michael Jay To: "'Gil Nissley'" , t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:59:32 -0500 KJV Gospel of John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 10:30 I and my Father are one. Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: Gil Nissley [mailto:dynaryder@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 3:46 AM To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:31:21 -0800 (PST) Tom Gimer wrote: >Valid point here....but how do you expect to get going >fast enough in the twisties on a m/c without the >assistance of, for example, Tool, Korn or White >Zombie? At some point safety must take a back seat to >Satan. ;) Hey,don't forget to support the local folks. How about some godhead and Illuminati instead? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 10:20:10 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:19:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Michael Jay wrote: > KJV Gospel of John > > 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and > they follow me: Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are GLENN'S sheep! Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the language! > 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they > shall never perish, > neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. > 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than > all; and no man is able > to pluck them out of my Father's hand. > 10:30 I and my Father are one. > > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 10:51:51 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Tom Gimer" , Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:51:49 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 I just stepped into this thread, but if someone was sincerely refering to their own personal faith, there is no need for you to be so sarcastic and offensive. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:41 AM Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >--- Michael Jay wrote: >> KJV Gospel of John >> >> 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and >> they follow me: > >Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are >GLENN'S sheep! > >Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit >means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the >language! > > > >> 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they >> shall never perish, >> neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. >> 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than >> all; and no man is able >> to pluck them out of my Father's hand. >> 10:30 I and my Father are one. >> >> Mike Jay >> '82 XJ750RJ > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 10:52:26 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:52:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Thanks Louis. That was my and I am signing up today! Mark -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan To: DC-Cycles Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 7:54 AM Subject: Capitol 1000 >A while back, someone asked about the status of the Capitol 1000. The web page >is now up and running (http://www.cap1000.org). The dates will be June 9-11th. > >Louis > > >===== >Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours >Alexandria, VA >1999: Capitol 1000; New England 1000; FitE V >http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 11:38:42 2000 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:29:59 -0500 Organization: NCEA Book of John, but I'm no real expert, I had to look it up. I can handle pretty much any thread concerning guns, cagers, Harleys vs sportbikes, or heaven-forbid, the oil thread, but I have to speak up if I see anyone's faith getting a pounding here. I think the thread started because the discussion of musical choices on the road included mention of various speed/heavy metal music which brought up the link to Satan. Having been a serious fan of every musical form from Beethoven to Sid Vicious so I am aware of the many references to the occult in modern music, but this is usually the stupid ramblings of young male anti-social types who seize an opportunity to associate themselves with something that offends as many people as possible. Eventually, one ages to the point that their behavior is controlled by an organ more northward than their groin area and they realize how absolutely stupid associations with the dark side/anti-Christ/Devil are. To people of faith these references are like fingernails on chalkboards and they respond in defense of their beliefs. Making disparaging remarks on peoples' faith is similar to heaping upon others the same kind of abuse, discrimination, lack of understanding and outright hatred that much of the non-motorcycling world heaps on us motorcyclists. I am a motorcyclist because a key part of my soul enjoys it enough that I accept the risks and cost of participating in such an activity, but by no means is it the central part of my being; being a creature of God, a husband and family member are far more important. I believe that this is the same with many subscribers to this list, they just don't beat people over the head with it, that doesn't mean that they will sit by and let others disrespect their beliefs. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:20 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... --- Michael Jay wrote: > KJV Gospel of John > > 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and > they follow me: Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are GLENN'S sheep! Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the language! > 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they > shall never perish, > neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. > 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than > all; and no man is able > to pluck them out of my Father's hand. > 10:30 I and my Father are one. > > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:04:04 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:03:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... At 11:29 AM 2/4/00 , you wrote: >Book of John, but I'm no real expert, I had to look it up. I can handle >pretty much any thread concerning guns, cagers, Harleys vs sportbikes, or >heaven-forbid, the oil thread, but I have to speak up if I see anyone's >faith getting a pounding here. Not sure how the mention of thrasher bands resulted in scripture quoting. Especially with no explanation. Whats up Michael Jay? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:24:13 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:20:58 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: bernescut@XXXXXX, "'Tom Gimer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Gee Pontif, do you know Tom Gimer that well? Or were you simply being reactionary. He was making an inside joke that I actually laughed at (Usually I just laugh at Tom ;) Actually I'm glad he said something at all. Do people of faith merit some special place among us all? I can't help but cringe, when people feel they NEED to start quoting the bible at me. Oh, maybe I should have just bowed my head and whispered, "amen". NOT! As much as it may offend you that someone doesn't take anothers faith so seriously, it offends me equally to be sermonized without my permission. You can't dictate how people should adjust their attitude toward religious reactionaries, so take it to a religion list will you. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 11:30 AM > To: 'Tom Gimer'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > > Book of John, but I'm no real expert, I had to look it up. I can handle > pretty much any thread concerning guns, cagers, Harleys vs sportbikes, or > heaven-forbid, the oil thread, but I have to speak up if I see anyone's > faith getting a pounding here. I think the thread started because the > discussion of musical choices on the road included mention of various > speed/heavy metal music which brought up the link to Satan. Having been a > serious fan of every musical form from Beethoven to Sid Vicious so I am > aware of the many references to the occult in modern music, but this is > usually the stupid ramblings of young male anti-social types who seize an > opportunity to associate themselves with something that offends as many > people as possible. Eventually, one ages to the point that their > behavior > is controlled by an organ more northward than their groin area and they > realize how absolutely stupid associations with the dark > side/anti-Christ/Devil are. To people of faith these references are like > fingernails on chalkboards and they respond in defense of their beliefs. > Making disparaging remarks on peoples' faith is similar to heaping upon > others the same kind of abuse, discrimination, lack of understanding and > outright hatred that much of the non-motorcycling world heaps on us > motorcyclists. I am a motorcyclist because a key part of my soul > enjoys it > enough that I accept the risks and cost of participating in such an > activity, but by no means is it the central part of my being; being a > creature of God, a husband and family member are far more important. I > believe that this is the same with many subscribers to this list, > they just > don't beat people over the head with it, that doesn't mean that they will > sit by and let others disrespect their beliefs. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:20 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > --- Michael Jay wrote: > > KJV Gospel of John > > > > 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and > > they follow me: > > Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are > GLENN'S sheep! > > Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit > means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the > language! > > > > > 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they > > shall never perish, > > neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. > > 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than > > all; and no man is able > > to pluck them out of my Father's hand. > > 10:30 I and my Father are one. > > > > Mike Jay > > '82 XJ750RJ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:30:20 2000 From: Michael Jay To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: What's up (was RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio...) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:36:37 -0500 In response to your direct question: >Zombie? At some point safety must take a back seat to >Satan. ;) The above text was part of the message contained in my original reply. Hence the context for citing the Gospel of John 10:27-30 verses. Allllllllll righty then, I think we've covered all the bases this week: helmets, firearms, and religion. Anybody know a good salvage yard for UJMs? I need to get a brake handle for a Seca. Peace be with you, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:38:02 2000 From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:37:23 EST Subject: Motorcycle Hunting Again! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Greetings Fellow Bikers, I trust all is well with you and your winter riding. I am currently back in the market looking for good used sports bike to broaden my collection. If you or you know any one who is selling a good sports bike please e-mail me and let me know. Also, any of you guys and gals know a good website to find used motorcycles? Thanks, and have a wonderful day. B.Banks From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:39:34 2000 From: "Bruce Norton" To: Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:41:00 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Amen! Oh, guess I shouldn't have used that figure of speech. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Peer" > Gee Pontif, do you know Tom Gimer that well? Or were you simply being > reactionary. He was making an inside joke that I actually laughed at > (Usually I just laugh at Tom ;) Actually I'm glad he said something at all. > > Do people of faith merit some special place among us all? I can't help but > cringe, when people feel they NEED to start quoting the bible at me. Oh, > maybe I should have just bowed my head and whispered, "amen". NOT! As much > as it may offend you that someone doesn't take anothers faith so seriously, > it offends me equally to be sermonized without my permission. > > You can't dictate how people should adjust their attitude toward religious > reactionaries, so take it to a religion list will you. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] snip > > don't beat people over the head with it, that doesn't mean that they will > > sit by and let others disrespect their beliefs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:48:17 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Todd Peer" , , "'Tom Gimer'" , Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:47:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Todd: If it offends you or Tom so much, say so in a polite manner. But by being rude about it, he offended not only the poster, but many others on the list. Sorry, but dissing someone's faith is a lot more important than dissing their riding style or cycle-brand. So I believe it has no place here. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: bernescut@XXXXXX ; 'Tom Gimer' ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:41 PM Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >Gee Pontif, do you know Tom Gimer that well? Or were you simply being >reactionary. He was making an inside joke that I actually laughed at >(Usually I just laugh at Tom ;) Actually I'm glad he said something at all. > >Do people of faith merit some special place among us all? I can't help but >cringe, when people feel they NEED to start quoting the bible at me. Oh, >maybe I should have just bowed my head and whispered, "amen". NOT! As much >as it may offend you that someone doesn't take anothers faith so seriously, >it offends me equally to be sermonized without my permission. > >You can't dictate how people should adjust their attitude toward religious >reactionaries, so take it to a religion list will you. > >Todd > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 11:30 AM >> To: 'Tom Gimer'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >> >> >> Book of John, but I'm no real expert, I had to look it up. I can handle >> pretty much any thread concerning guns, cagers, Harleys vs sportbikes, or >> heaven-forbid, the oil thread, but I have to speak up if I see anyone's >> faith getting a pounding here. I think the thread started because the >> discussion of musical choices on the road included mention of various >> speed/heavy metal music which brought up the link to Satan. Having been a >> serious fan of every musical form from Beethoven to Sid Vicious so I am >> aware of the many references to the occult in modern music, but this is >> usually the stupid ramblings of young male anti-social types who seize an >> opportunity to associate themselves with something that offends as many >> people as possible. Eventually, one ages to the point that their >> behavior >> is controlled by an organ more northward than their groin area and they >> realize how absolutely stupid associations with the dark >> side/anti-Christ/Devil are. To people of faith these references are like >> fingernails on chalkboards and they respond in defense of their beliefs. >> Making disparaging remarks on peoples' faith is similar to heaping upon >> others the same kind of abuse, discrimination, lack of understanding and >> outright hatred that much of the non-motorcycling world heaps on us >> motorcyclists. I am a motorcyclist because a key part of my soul >> enjoys it >> enough that I accept the risks and cost of participating in such an >> activity, but by no means is it the central part of my being; being a >> creature of God, a husband and family member are far more important. I >> believe that this is the same with many subscribers to this list, >> they just >> don't beat people over the head with it, that doesn't mean that they will >> sit by and let others disrespect their beliefs. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Gimer [SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:20 AM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >> >> --- Michael Jay wrote: >> > KJV Gospel of John >> > >> > 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and >> > they follow me: >> >> Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are >> GLENN'S sheep! >> >> Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit >> means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the >> language! >> >> >> >> > 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they >> > shall never perish, >> > neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. >> > 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than >> > all; and no man is able >> > to pluck them out of my Father's hand. >> > 10:30 I and my Father are one. >> > >> > Mike Jay >> > '82 XJ750RJ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >> http://im.yahoo.com >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 12:54:44 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: , Subject: Re: Motorcycle Hunting Again! Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:54:38 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 There was a 1994 Honda F2 in the Post today for $3500. -----Original Message----- From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:53 PM Subject: Motorcycle Hunting Again! >Greetings Fellow Bikers, I trust all is well with you and your winter riding. > I am currently back in the market looking for good used sports bike to >broaden my collection. If you or you know any one who is selling a good >sports bike please e-mail me and let me know. Also, any of you guys and gals >know a good website to find used motorcycles? Thanks, and have a wonderful >day. > >B.Banks From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:09:28 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:06:16 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: Mark Kitchell , Todd Peer , bernescut@XXXXXX, "'Tom Gimer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal This whole conversation has no place here! But whether you believe it or not, it is here. Don't dictate to me the manner I present myself to this list. Who the hell are you to reprimand me? Does it even matter to you that maybe I was offended by someone quoting the fucking bible on a motorcycle discussion list? One other thing, nobody ever DISSED anybody elses faith. Go back and read the posts. T > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:mKitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:48 PM > To: Todd Peer; bernescut@XXXXXX; 'Tom Gimer'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > > Todd: > > If it offends you or Tom so much, say so in a polite manner. But by being > rude about it, he offended not only the poster, but many others > on the list. > Sorry, but dissing someone's faith is a lot more important than dissing > their riding style or cycle-brand. So I believe it has no place here. > > Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer > To: bernescut@XXXXXX ; 'Tom Gimer' > ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:41 PM > Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > > >Gee Pontif, do you know Tom Gimer that well? Or were you simply being > >reactionary. He was making an inside joke that I actually laughed at > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:10:02 2000 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Motorcycle Hunting Again! Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:01:24 -0500 Organization: NCEA http://www.2wheelsales.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/display.exe?partner=c2k&path=Auto~Motorcycle~Search http://www.cyclebytel.com/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/classifieds/rvs/front.htm http://www.traderonline.com/cycle/index.shtml I bought my last bike through this site. Hope these help Cedric Also, any of you guys and gals know a good website to find used motorcycles? Thanks, and have a wonderful day. B.Banks From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:14:28 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:20:50 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Accept-Language: en To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Hunting Again! I have an '89 zx-7 I'll sell you for $2000. It's a former racer and needs a little work. Here's a picture of it from last season. http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/rapids/1247 It doesn't look like that anymore (now it's all decked out in stock fairings) but the race fairings come with it, along with all the other stuff one collects in 11 years of ownership/racing. Needs about $400 worth of plastic and metal to repair some damage caused during an unfortunate incident, previously described on this list. Randy Moran EmergeOut wrote: > Greetings Fellow Bikers, I trust all is well with you and your winter riding. > I am currently back in the market looking for good used sports bike to > broaden my collection. If you or you know any one who is selling a good > sports bike please e-mail me and let me know. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:17:58 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Todd Peer" , , "'Tom Gimer'" , Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:17:43 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Obviously, the subtilties of being polite are lost on you. Go back to watching Jerry Springer mark -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: Mark Kitchell ; Todd Peer ; bernescut@XXXXXX ; 'Tom Gimer' ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 1:09 PM Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > >This whole conversation has no place here! But whether you believe it or >not, it is here. > >Don't dictate to me the manner I present myself to this list. Who the hell >are you to reprimand me? Does it even matter to you that maybe I was >offended by someone quoting the fucking bible on a motorcycle discussion >list? > >One other thing, nobody ever DISSED anybody elses faith. Go back and read >the posts. > >T > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:mKitchell@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:48 PM >> To: Todd Peer; bernescut@XXXXXX; 'Tom Gimer'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >> >> >> Todd: >> >> If it offends you or Tom so much, say so in a polite manner. But by being >> rude about it, he offended not only the poster, but many others >> on the list. >> Sorry, but dissing someone's faith is a lot more important than dissing >> their riding style or cycle-brand. So I believe it has no place here. >> >> Mark >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Todd Peer >> To: bernescut@XXXXXX ; 'Tom Gimer' >> ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:41 PM >> Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... >> >> >> >Gee Pontif, do you know Tom Gimer that well? Or were you simply being >> >reactionary. He was making an inside joke that I actually laughed at >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:32:40 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:32:05 EST Subject: Ducs at Winchester Indian To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not sure if the word has gotten around yet, but Winchester Indian now sells Ducatis. Apparently they just took over another dealership's franchise a few months ago. I was there today and noted they had '99 Supersport 750 Full/Half-fairing for $7995/7295 and '99 Supersport 900 Full/Half-fairing for $9495/8795. They're very eager to cut a deal. I didn't get the prices, but they also had '99 leftover ST2 and ST4. Hope this helps any Duc hunters out there! Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:42:53 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:42:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Forgive me, Father Kitchell, for I have sinned. Let's drop it, I was only attempting to quickly bring an end to any bullshit discussion regarding religion on the cycles list. I should have included a smiley, I guess. BTW, as far as I know, neither Tool, Korn, nor White Zombie are affiliated with Satan....someone should have spotted that. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I just stepped into this thread, but if someone was > sincerely refering to > their own personal faith, there is no need for you > to be so sarcastic and > offensive. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer > > >--- Michael Jay wrote: > >> KJV Gospel of John > >> > >> 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, > >> and they follow me: > > > >Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are > >GLENN'S sheep! > > > >Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit > >means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the > >language! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:45:16 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Michael Jay Cc: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What's up (was RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio...) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 21:43:59 GMT On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:36:37 -0500 , you wrote: |>Anybody know a good salvage yard for UJMs? |> |>I need to get a brake handle for a Seca. motosalvage.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:45:20 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ducs at Winchester Indian Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:41:32 -0800 Also, for what it's worth... I met Triumph's Regional Director at the Cleveland show last week and he told me that Winchester Indian is (will be?) carrying Triumph. Sounds like Battley's is getting out of it, or greatly reducing their involvement. Perry -----Original Message----- From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [mailto:NJitzul@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 1:32 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ducs at Winchester Indian Not sure if the word has gotten around yet, but Winchester Indian now sells Ducatis. Apparently they just took over another dealership's franchise a few months ago. I was there today and noted they had '99 Supersport 750 Full/Half-fairing for $7995/7295 and '99 Supersport 900 Full/Half-fairing for $9495/8795. They're very eager to cut a deal. I didn't get the prices, but they also had '99 leftover ST2 and ST4. Hope this helps any Duc hunters out there! Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:49:22 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: What's up (was RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio...) To: Michael Jay , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Michael Jay wrote: > In response to your direct question: > > >Zombie? At some point safety must take a back seat > >to Satan. ;) > > The above text was part of the message > contained in my original reply. > > Hence the context for citing the > Gospel of John 10:27-30 verses. And my subsequent post was an absolute joke....I think everybody except Cedric and Mark picked up on that. If it offended anyone, I apologize....one can joke about religion and still practice it. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 13:58:44 2000 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:50:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: Mark Kitchell Cc: Todd Peer , bernescut@XXXXXX, "'Tom Gimer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Faith has no place here. --chris To: Todd Peer , bernescut@XXXXXX, 'Tom Gimer' , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Mark Kitchell Date: 02/04/2000 05:47:52 PM GMT Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Todd: If it offends you or Tom so much, say so in a polite manner. But by being rude about it, he offended not only the poster, but many others on the list. Sorry, but dissing someone's faith is a lot more important than dissing their riding style or cycle-brand. So I believe it has no place here. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 14:01:26 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:02:20 +0000 To: Tom Gimer , Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... They all ROCK, but I don't think any of them are "satan" worshippers...if you believe in that stuff... Oh, and another band to consider for tearing up the streets is Ministry...can't remember the name of the CD, but even when I was in the car I'd drive with a bit more "spirit," so to speak. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 10:42 AM 2/4/00 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >Forgive me, Father Kitchell, for I have sinned. > >Let's drop it, I was only attempting to quickly bring >an end to any bullshit discussion regarding religion >on the cycles list. I should have included a smiley, >I guess. > >BTW, as far as I know, neither Tool, Korn, nor White >Zombie are affiliated with Satan....someone should >have spotted that. > > >--- Mark Kitchell >wrote: >> I just stepped into this thread, but if someone was >> sincerely refering to >> their own personal faith, there is no need for you >> to be so sarcastic and >> offensive. >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Gimer >> >> >--- Michael Jay wrote: >> >> KJV Gospel of John >> >> >> >> 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, >> >> and they follow me: >> > >> >Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are >> >GLENN'S sheep! >> > >> >Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit >> >means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the >> >language! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com Jeannette L. Zell From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 14:15:24 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:11:33 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > > Faith has no place here. > > --chris Now THAT is funny! LOL. > > To: Todd Peer , bernescut@XXXXXX, > 'Tom Gimer' > , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: Mark Kitchell > Date: 02/04/2000 05:47:52 PM GMT > Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > > > Todd: > > If it offends you or Tom so much, say so in a polite manner. But by being > rude about it, he offended not only the poster, but many others > on the list. > Sorry, but dissing someone's faith is a lot more important than dissing > their riding style or cycle-brand. So I believe it has no place here. > > Mark > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 14:24:38 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:21:01 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: Jeannette Zell , Tom Gimer , Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Yes, but I've heard if you play Ministry backwards (can you play a CD backward ;-) your helmet visor melts and warps, the asphalt in front of you turns to crusty lava and the sky milks over with a pukey green. Don't EVEN look in your rearview, because the devil himself will be bearing down on you in a non-descript mommy-van, his huge shoulders and horns stuffing out of the windows and roof, and his one gold tooth glinting in a lunatic grin. I don't care if you own a Hayabusa, you shouldn't have played that CD backward, now you gonna getit. ;-) T > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 9:02 AM > To: Tom Gimer; Mark Kitchell; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... > > > They all ROCK, but I don't think any of them are "satan" worshippers...if > you believe in that stuff... > > Oh, and another band to consider for tearing up the streets is > Ministry...can't remember the name of the CD, but even when I was in the > car I'd drive with a bit more "spirit," so to speak. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 10:42 AM 2/4/00 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: > >Forgive me, Father Kitchell, for I have sinned. > > > >Let's drop it, I was only attempting to quickly bring > >an end to any bullshit discussion regarding religion > >on the cycles list. I should have included a smiley, > >I guess. > > > >BTW, as far as I know, neither Tool, Korn, nor White > >Zombie are affiliated with Satan....someone should > >have spotted that. > > > > > >--- Mark Kitchell > >wrote: > >> I just stepped into this thread, but if someone was > >> sincerely refering to > >> their own personal faith, there is no need for you > >> to be so sarcastic and > >> offensive. > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Tom Gimer > >> > >> >--- Michael Jay wrote: > >> >> KJV Gospel of John > >> >> > >> >> 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, > >> >> and they follow me: > >> > > >> >Who is he kidding? Everybody know that those are > >> >GLENN'S sheep! > >> > > >> >Do you mind telling us what all this ancient shit > >> >means? I mean, Jesus, I just can't follow the > >> >language! > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com > > Jeannette L. Zell > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 14:26:41 2000 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:25:58 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Faith has no place here. > > --chris Uhhhh, Faith No More! Hey, we're back on topic how bout dem apples. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 14:52:53 2000 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Portable Motorcycle Audio... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:43:45 -0500 Organization: NCEA We care a lot :) Cedric snip Uhhhh, Faith No More! Hey, we're back on topic how bout dem apples. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 15:01:39 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: religion, etc Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:01:36 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List: If I appeared too anal in these past threads, my apologizes. If you knew me well, you wouldn't consider me a bible-thumper. Its just that I think this list can use some more courtesy sometimes. The snow and crashed bike is getting to me. Sun, please come out. mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 15:37:04 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:35:36 EST Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: jzell@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, mKitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/4/00 2:06:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, jzell@XXXXXX writes: > Oh, and another band to consider for tearing up the streets is > Ministry...can't remember the name of the CD, but even when I was in the > car I'd drive with a bit more "spirit," so to speak. > If I were a betting man, I'd say you mean 'A Mind is a Terrible Thing', circa 1989. Great CD. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 4 15:39:00 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:37:48 EST Subject: Re: Portable Motorcycle Audio... To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, jzell@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, mKitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Remarkably enough, one of their recent hits is titled 'Jesus built my Hotrod'. - Bri In a message dated 2/4/00 2:29:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > Yes, but I've heard if you play Ministry backwards (can you play a CD > backward ;-) your helmet visor melts and warps, the asph