From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 01:15:16 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:14:28 EST Subject: Re: Racing classes To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 11/30/99 11:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: > Along the reasoning given so far, why wouldn't we change the rules for > middle weight bikes so that FZR 600s are competitive?? It's a change > in technology. Let's move on. The SV has raised the bar, so lets hope > the other manufacturers take note and start building something of their > own!! GGGARARRRRHHGHHH!!! Why does everyone miss the point here? The SV shouldn't BE in Lightweight in WERA. The *only* reason its in lightweight is because a rule was changed to allow the underpowered, lightweight twin, Honda Hawk into the class. The Displacement was bumped up to a whopping 67% over water cooled 4 cyl. You analogy using the FZR600 doesn't work here Fagan (BTW, I'm still waiting for those two kidneys you owe me from Sat). The Analogy is "Why wouldn't we change the rules so that a Ducati 996 is allowed to race in the middleweight class?". The answer is: "It would destroy everything else in the class due to its 67% displacement advantage". > Another personal observation.... I disagree with some of the arguments > about lightweight classes... from everything that I have seen, the > people winning in that class are on super heavily modified lightweight > bikes... that means $$$$$$. $3000 bucks bought me that 70+ hp championship winning fzr with a ton of spares. SpeedWerks does a year-end refresh for < $1000. I changed the oil a few times over the summer... well, and that unfortunate T1 incident at summit, but that doesn't count :) Now the FZR400RR.... ok, that's another story, but it was so shiny and sparkly.... > The horsepower difference in the > lightweight classes are extreme! ranging from 90+ hp FZR565's down to > stock EX's and hawks putting out around 50hp or so...It's a scary > class. Especially because it is combined with experts... I've seen > closing speeds down towards turn one in excess of 40 mph or so! > A newbie entering that class will NOT be competitive unless they are on > a well built machine...ask Brian Roach how nice his FZR's 70+ is :) Only CCS allows FZR560's, and those will be competitive with SV SuperBikes. Unfortunately, everyone in CCS seems to bump up from Lightweight SuperSport into lightweight Superbike, even though there's a 30hp diff and they have no feasible chance of running up front. Also, while CCS might combine experts and novices, WERA doesn't except for the Solo20 races on Sat, and even then you don't have the insane HP diff because (except for the SV) everyone has comparable horsepower because WERA doesn't run a lightweight SuperSport class. (Can ya count the reasons not to race CCS on one hand? I usually can't :) ) > Not to toot my own horn too much, but my GSXR750 was/is bone stock... > right down to the paper air filter. (and I didn't have ram air ducts > all season). It put out a very average (for GSXR's) 108 hp on the > dyno. I had a good season... I won most of the races I entered, and > never finished farther back than 7th all year (all but one were top > 4!!) and that's against other bikes with in excess of 120hp. But > that's still only 12 hp difference... not 30 or more... And I agree here... for the *novice class*, even with a hp advantage the big difference is the rider. I had a monster fzr400 but for the first 3/4 of the season I prob wasn't even using it to 75% of it's capabilities (Now I'm prob up near 90%, but not nearly 100%). However, give me a 20% horsepower edge instead of a 5% one, and I bet I make up some time on the straights... that'll be the diff at 90hp vs. 70hp. On top of that, the SV chassis alone is worth 2 seconds at Summit (Ask Randy or John). However, equal riders... the guy on the SV wins. Same thing with your class... if you had more HP, I bet you could go faster. If you had Ernie's bike, you'd have to park at the end and wait for everyone to show up. > ick I ramble!! The point I am attempting to make, is that a > manufacturer put up the R&D money to build a better bike. Why punish > them by changing the rules for some very good bikes that aer just > getting outdated??? Let them go to vintage!! Otherwise, the > manufacturers might as well jsut stop building new bikes all together.. > I mean, cmon, an R1 has what?? 140 or so hp stock!!! 5 years ago, only > factory superbikes had that kind of power... Back to the displacement thing. The R1 is a natural progression, getting more hp every year out of the same displacement. Same with the 600cc bikes. Same size motor, better performance. This is a fluke where a rule was changed a while ago to allow a underperforming bike in, and now there's an excellent performing bike that has the same displacement and falls under the same rule. The Rule, allowing a 67% displacement advantage, is wrong. If it wasn't, then every class would have the same adjustment, instead of the 25% - 33% allowance they do have. They don't, because the twins would have a huge advantage. I have yet to have one person tell me that indeed, a 996 should be allowed into middleweight. After all, Ducati spent all that R&D money to produce a better bike, right? ;) The SV has a class tailor made for it - lightweight twins. FZRs cannot run in that class, and would not be competitive. I'm all for advancements in technology - I love my 400RR, and *wish* it, and the CBR400RR, and the NC-30, and ZXR, etc would be imported into the States. Everyone seems to be jumping on the twins bandwagon, so maybe Honda will come out with an updated Hawk next year to go up against the SV... they'll both fit right into lightweight twins and the class will be chock full. If the SV were a 550cc machine, you wouldn't see me arguing - that's 33% over the 420cc allowed the FZR, and is in line with the allowance in WERA C and B classes (800cc vs 600cc and 1000cc vs 750cc). To say that the SV is being punished if the rules change is incorrect - it's being given special privilege under the current WERA D-Super Rules. As always, my $.02 - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 01:28:20 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:27:43 EST Subject: Re: racing classes To: jmoran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 11/30/99 8:31:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmoran@XXXXXX writes: > I still feel that the SV will win in a contest of evenly skilled riders, > simply because the SV is so easy to ride. It really has to be > experienced to be believed. I would be happy to let you take a practice > or two on mine next year. Of course, that would mean that your little > "gray market" sweetie would be all alone in the pits...It would be a > shame to waste a practice... I think the SV is easier to ride as well... even against my little RR. The RR you still have to wind up like a top and keep it up there (or else). As added fun, I discovered in SC that it will indeed spin up the rear in a tight corner at about 13.5k RPM in second gear (turn one... it was a real eye opener, let me tell you). I think the RR has a stiffer chassis and I'm building a real Superbike out of it (It's got a penski rear shock and emulators up front, and the engine is about to be turned over to Jon at SpeedWerks), but I *have* to do that to run against the SVs... I'll get stomped coming out of corners and on the straights otherwise. And I'm still going to have to be a better rider to get everything out of the bike. Going into turn nine at summit at 13k is kinda scary... at least for me, but you have to do it on a fizzer. Same with turn 10. ::Shrug:: I was planning on getting an SV, but I really didn't want to race a twin and the RR was kinda cool. I'm hoping it'll all turn out ok once the season gets rolling :) I'm also going to downtune the US fzr and make it a rain bike.... that SV's torque may be a disadvantage in the wet! - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 06:16:25 1999 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 06:15:42 EST Subject: Re: Racing classes To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 11/30/99 11:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << The FZR has been around for over 10 years, it's had its hayday, now its time to move on. Both are eligible for vintage now anyhow. >> Collin, If they were built before 1990, they would only be eligible for WERA Vintage 6 where they would have to race against the likes of GSXR 1100s, Yamaha 5-Valve 1000ccs, Factory RR bikes up to 750 cc (i.e. ex factory racers) etc. In AHRMA Vintage they would be too new. Maybe the EX would be eligible for AHRMA BOT (Battle of the Twins) but I think (not sure) the cut-off date is earlier than 1990. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 08:50:14 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: reply to re: Racing Classes (a little long) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:51:01 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Thanks for all the responses, I didn't mean to start anything that would get people riled up. :) It looks like I will be going back to the stock pipe and will probably have to play with the jetting as a result so that I can run production class. I really am looking forward to racing this coming season and know it will be a blast. As I continue to get ready, I am starting to see just how costly this "fun" is. I am putting in my order to Barnicle Bill for leathers, and got some good gloves at Fast Lanes last night. Rick, at Fast Lanes, was a great help in providing suggestions and advice. They also give people who are trying to get into racing a good discount on stuff to help out because it is so expensive to get into. (and looks like it might cost some $ to stay in also). I found out that 'DOT' tires come in 2 catagories, ones you can race and ones you shouldn't race so it looks like I will be spending more on tires than I expected, D207 gp's I guess. I also found out I will need to get a steering dampener even though the SV doesn't need it at my level. There goes another chunk of change. Anyone have a steering dampener they want to sell? There is more but I won't get into at this time. Suffice it to say I will be looking for a lot of stuff soon. Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 09:36:33 1999 From: "Brad Faas" To: Subject: Paging Brian LeSalle Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:36:10 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Uh, don't know if I spelled the last name right, but you know you are. :-) Rides a yellow Nighthawk 750, lives down Croom Rd somewhere. If anyone has his email addy, could you please send it to me? Or Brian, if you see this, give me a shout. Thanks, Brad 99 CBR600 F4 88 FZR400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 10:02:29 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:51:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Racing classes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Brian Roach wrote: I have yet to have one person tell me that indeed, a 996 should be allowed into middleweight. --- Well, a VTR makes about 100-105 hp, and would fit right in with the 600cc bikes! How 'bout THEM apples?! :^) Chris Weaver '98 Guess What ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 10:02:51 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: beginning racing costs Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:03:40 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Danny, > > For those of us thinking about racing, it would be instructive to get > a feel for what it costs you to get into it. You are riding the bike > I would most seriously consider to start out on, and are riding in > the same place I would be, so I would be very interested in finding > out what it really costs you. snip..... Ned, (et al) OK. I didn't want to bore those who have already been through it (didn't want to scare anyone away either :) ), but... To date: $4800 for the SV, used with 3k miles, full TBR exhuast, stage 1 jet kit, Buell bug screen, and upgraded fork oil The exhaust will be replaced with the stocker for now. The bug screen is a must in my opinion, and the forks will probably be re-valved. $950 plus shipping for custom leathers from Barnicle Bill (could have spent less but I know crashing is part of racing and learning and would rather minmize the medical expenses and pain expenses) $150 for clip-ons $150 for race gloves (see leathers) Still to buy: Penske rear shock ($700) after a lot of research and considering of a gsxr shock with rework (~$350) I have decided to go this route. This is area where $$ could be saved but I think you would eventually do the aftermarket route and that would be wasted $$ on the gsxr shock. Tires (D 207 gp's) ~$340 / set mounted new. After this 1st set I will probably use race take-offs, unless I can find some race take-offs before this season that will pass for race school. Race-tech gold valves ~$200 belly catch pan (new rule) ~$? rear sets ~$175 steering dampener ~$200 race boots ~$200 (see leathers) extra levers, foot pegs, handle bars, etc. ~$100(?) AAAUUGGGHH! This makes me cringe as I write it all down. To those who have already been there / done that, have I missed anything? Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 10:18:22 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:59:59 -0500 Subject: Re: racing classes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Since I'm feeling talkative, I'll throw my two cents in even though I don't race... Brian wrote: I think the SV is easier to ride as well... even against my little RR. I had a chance to ride Danny's SV not long ago. I'm sure Brian and the others are right here - the SV certainly dumped into turns like a champ. Its one failing, it seemed to me, was that it took a lot of attention to keep it on its line in a corner. That quick steering has a price, I guess. The RR will probably feel a lot more planted while railing around those corners, and may make up for the torque advantage of the SV in the same places. I'm no expert, but it seems logical. Chris Weaver '98 VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 10:31:43 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 10:31:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Cold Fingers My fingers have thawed out enough to type. I am using a thin pair of fleece gloves inserted into my leather gauntlets. The rest of my body (besides my toes and a quarter sized spot on my neck) stayed toasty today. My toes - I can warm up by dipping them below the brake and shift levers on the VFR. Once the bike has warmed up, it churns out good heat in that area. The balaclava blocks all but a little tiny spot on my neck. Now the fingers.....two glove sets don't work. What is next - heated grips? Someone suggested battery powered hunting gloves - anyone try this? Any other ideas, besides hippopotamus gloves? I think it was in the mid 20s this AM. I don't plan on riding in anything below 20 degrees. Too much black ice around here (DC-Metro Area). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 10:39:41 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Fingers My Hein Gericke gloves come with rain mittens that help a lot when the weather is cold. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 10:41:40 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:41:04 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Fingers Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Troutman wrote: > Now the fingers.....two glove sets don't work. What is next - heated > grips? Someone suggested battery powered hunting gloves - anyone try > this? Any other ideas, besides hippopotamus gloves? What's wrong with "hippopotamus" gloves? I love the fact that I can wear my summer gloves and still have warm hands. Without the bar covers ("hippopotamus" gloves) this would not be possible, even with heated grips. There are also heated gloves... Another option is mittens. Let your fingers stay together and keep each other warm. With equivalent insulation a mitten will be warmer than a glove. I've got some mittens that I can hardly wear they're so warm (and this is on a naked bike with no hand protection whatsoever). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 10:50:51 1999 From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:44:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Cold Fingers Content-Disposition: inline Electric gloves with wires down the fingers have worked for me. It's the only thing that keeps my hands toasty. I'm not sure if you're trying to stay away from electrics or not, but if not, try: http://www.gerbing.com The coldest I've ridden in was the Polar Bear ride one New Year's. It was 28 degrees, I think, and I'm not sure what the wind chill was. It was COLD. When the temps dip below 28 I don't think I'll be out. LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Troutman on 12/01/99 10:31:20 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Cold Fingers My fingers have thawed out enough to type. I am using a thin pair of fleece gloves inserted into my leather gauntlets. The rest of my body (besides my toes and a quarter sized spot on my neck) stayed toasty today. My toes - I can warm up by dipping them below the brake and shift levers on the VFR. Once the bike has warmed up, it churns out good heat in that area. The balaclava blocks all but a little tiny spot on my neck. Now the fingers.....two glove sets don't work. What is next - heated grips? Someone suggested battery powered hunting gloves - anyone try this? Any other ideas, besides hippopotamus gloves? I think it was in the mid 20s this AM. I don't plan on riding in anything below 20 degrees. Too much black ice around here (DC-Metro Area). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 10:54:28 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Re: racing classes Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:55:18 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well... not any more Chris. I put the Woodcraft clip-ons on and it now has to be turned a little more aggressively, but holds its line really well. :) Still fairly flickable but much smoother and tracks much better. New tires will help this also. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 9:59 AM Subject: Re: racing classes > Since I'm feeling talkative, I'll throw my two cents in even though I don't > race... > > Brian wrote: > I think the SV is easier to ride as well... even against my little RR. > > I had a chance to ride Danny's SV not long ago. I'm sure Brian and the > others are right here - the SV certainly dumped into turns like a champ. > Its one failing, it seemed to me, was that it took a lot of attention to > keep it on its line in a corner. That quick steering has a price, I guess. > The RR will probably feel a lot more planted while railing around those > corners, and may make up for the torque advantage of the SV in the same > places. I'm no expert, but it seems logical. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 11:06:29 1999 From: "Brad Faas" To: "Danny Thompson" , Subject: RE: beginning racing costs Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:06:16 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 -----Original Message----- From: Danny Thompson [mailto:dthompso1@XXXXXX] >AAAUUGGGHH! This makes me cringe as I write it all down. To those who have >already been there / done that, have I missed anything? - Back protector. Wouldn't catch me on a track without one. ~ $150. I don't know how good the "built-in" back protectors in some leathers are, since my leathers don't have one. - Race school. ~ $130, unless you corner work two weekends, in which case you get a discount. If you put down an advance $60 deposit, you save even more. I took my school for $90. - Fairing? U.S. SVs come naked, right? I know you mentioned the belly pan, so I'm assuming you'll need some fairing to attach the belly pan to. I could be wrong here; I don't know how the SVs are being setup for this. ~$400 - Not really required, but stuff I know I bought the first race weekend: Good tire gauge, stopwatch, numbers, and a couple colors of duct tape: ~$90. Brad 99 CBR600 F4 88 FZR400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 11:10:55 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: Troutman Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:11:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Cold Fingers CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've got a pair of expedition gloves from Eastern Mountain Sports that I use for everything. The gloves come in two parts, the outer 3 ply gortex shell, and the inner "windblock" fleece glove. Usually the windblock fleece is sufficient for riding in temps down to about 40deg. Anything below that, & I shove the gloves in their gortex shell. When used as a set, I have yet to suffer from cold fingers... -John N. 88 FZR 400 Date sent: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 10:31:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Cold Fingers > My fingers have thawed out enough to type. > > I am using a thin pair of fleece gloves inserted into my leather > gauntlets. The rest of my body (besides my toes and a quarter sized spot > on my neck) stayed toasty today. > > My toes - I can warm up by dipping them below the brake and shift levers on > the VFR. Once the bike has warmed up, it churns out good heat in that > area. The balaclava blocks all but a little tiny spot on my neck. > > Now the fingers.....two glove sets don't work. What is next - heated > grips? Someone suggested battery powered hunting gloves - anyone try > this? Any other ideas, besides hippopotamus gloves? > > I think it was in the mid 20s this AM. I don't plan on riding in anything > below 20 degrees. Too much black ice around here (DC-Metro Area). > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 11:16:54 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:22:42 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Accept-Language: en CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: beginning racing costs Yes, Danny, you are forgetting the frontal lobotomy. A very expensive initial outlay, but the result is well worth it. Helps all the rest of it go down like a spoonful of sugar. You're welcome. Randy Moran > > Danny wrote, Along list of expensive parts, then: > AAAUUGGGHH! This makes me cringe as I write it all down. To those who have > already been there / done that, have I missed anything? > > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 11:17:43 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Re: beginning racing costs Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:18:30 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Thanks for filling in some of the gaps Brad. Yep, back protector for sure. I have signed up for race school already, but there is only one weekend to cornerwork beforehand this year, hopefully they will credit me for one from last year. I have the Buell fairing (bug shield) and I am going to call that enough, I'll find a way to attach the belly pan. I will need the number plate also. Still adding.... Danny '99 VFR '99 SV > - Back protector. snip.... > > - Race school snip > > - Fairing? snip > > - Not really required, but stuff I know I bought the first race weekend: > Good tire gauge, stopwatch, numbers, and a couple colors of duct tape: ~$90. > > > Brad From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 11:26:18 1999 From: "Nassif, Joe" To: , , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Cold Fingers Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:25:10 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Mike Troutman asked; > Any other ideas, besides hippopotamus gloves? Yeah, Widder electric gloves. They work wonders (as I've mentioned before.....;-) Joe Nassif SFNM From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 11:29:28 1999 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:26:47 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Cold Fingers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There's something to be said about those hippo gloves - my hands were great today. I have these gloves although they say they are thin - they seem thick to me and the gauntlet goes way up my arm. With my electric liner from Gerbing under my Kilimanjaro, there's enough heat that escapes out my sleeves to warm up my hands in those gloves. I wear only my jeans under my rain pants, 1 pair of socks and my hikers. Could have rode all day. Can't wait for it to actually get cold. :) Tracy Horstman '99 Kawasaki Concours GPNEHI COG #3104A FiTE '99 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 11:38:31 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:20:05 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Fingers To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX I recently bought a pair of trigger-finger mittens at Manassas Honda for about $40. They have a thumb, index finger and mitten for the other three fingers. Quite warm; I wore them yesterday. This morning I wore Widder electric gloves (about $100). Toasty. Leon. --- Troutman wrote: > My fingers have thawed out enough to type. > > I am using a thin pair of fleece gloves inserted > into my leather > gauntlets. The rest of my body (besides my toes and > a quarter sized spot > on my neck) stayed toasty today. > > My toes - I can warm up by dipping them below the > brake and shift levers on > the VFR. Once the bike has warmed up, it churns out > good heat in that > area. The balaclava blocks all but a little tiny > spot on my neck. > > Now the fingers.....two glove sets don't work. What > is next - heated > grips? Someone suggested battery powered hunting > gloves - anyone try > this? Any other ideas, besides hippopotamus gloves? > > I think it was in the mid 20s this AM. I don't plan > on riding in anything > below 20 degrees. Too much black ice around here > (DC-Metro Area). > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 11:39:40 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Re: beginning racing costs Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:40:32 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 10:22 AM Subject: Re: beginning racing costs > Yes, Danny, you are forgetting the frontal lobotomy. A very expensive initial > outlay, but the result is well worth it. Helps all the rest of it go down like > a spoonful of sugar. snip... Ohhh, maybe I should have done that to begin with. Maybe that explains a lot about some of the other racers I've met. :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 12:38:15 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:37:49 EST Subject: cracks in tires To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ok - I've asked this before about the little cracks appearing on my at least two-year-old tires-that-were-on-the-bike-when-I-bought-it ...... and quite a few people suggested I wait until AFTER winter to get new tires (something about excessive wear int he winter) ... BUT yesterday I took a look at the back tire and there is a good inch-wide strip now that is filled with tiny little cracks. It's not going to pop or wnything is it??? ;D but seriously. how "cracked" can they get before I'm endangering myself? Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 12:40:13 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:39:17 EST Subject: Re: Cold Fingers To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX if you're worried about ice you shouldn't ride below 32 degrees (freezing point) :D I've3 heard nothing but good things about heated grips...may have to get some myself. Marcy In a message dated 12/1/99 10:38:16 AM, mike@XXXXXX writes: << I think it was in the mid 20s this AM. I don't plan on riding in anything below 20 degrees. Too much black ice around here (DC-Metro Area). >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 12:40:54 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:40:11 EST Subject: Re: Cold Fingers To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX ski mittens in particular will keep you NICE and warm In a message dated 12/1/99 10:48:11 AM, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << Another option is mittens. >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 12:53:40 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:53:04 EST Subject: Re: beginning racing costs To: dthompso1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 12/1/99 10:09:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: > belly catch pan (new rule) ~$? You'll want to get the SharkSkinz SV full bodywork set. Yes, WERA and CCS both will be requiring catch pans next year. http://www.sharkskinz.com/Suzuki/suzprod.html#l I hate to type this but... 3061 1-PC. UPPER 305.00 3062 1-PC. LOWER 215.00 3063 TAIL 195.00 3064 FRONT FENDER 95.00 3065 BRACKET KIT FOR ABOVE 105.00 You could use the stock tail though and save a few bucks. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 13:01:12 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Re: cracks in tires Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:00:46 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Marcy, Do the smart thing and get yourself a new tire(s). It is not worth the risk of a blowout mid-turn. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV snip... >...BUT yesterday I took a look at the > back tire and there is a good inch-wide strip now that is filled with tiny > little cracks. It's not going to pop or wnything is it??? > ;D > but seriously. how "cracked" can they get before I'm endangering myself? > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 13:27:09 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:28:43 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Troutman Subject: Re: Cold Fingers ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 10:31:20 -0500 > The rest of my body (besides my toes and a quarter sized spot >on my neck) stayed toasty today. Ditto that. Hands got a little cold for me, everything else a-ok. I haven't even put in the electric pants liners into my Gerbing Ultimate Suit yet, running with just the jacket liner. If it gets much colder than this morning (28 degrees) then I'll consider it. I only ran the jacket thermostat on half power today. Sweet. >My toes - I can warm up by dipping them below the brake and shift > levers on the VFR. The Connie is also pretty good at keeping the feet nice and warm. No complaints here. :) >Now the fingers.....two glove sets don't work. Polypropylene glove liners are the best I've found - even better than those white metallic things Todd will probably tell you about. They look like blue wool. I've gotta go find my pair, they are AWOL at home somewhere. > What is next - heated grips? I've heard these work well. > Someone suggested battery powered hunting gloves? I've heard that these don't. > Any other ideas, besides hippopotamus gloves? MX-type hand guards, to keep the wind off? I've been toying with making a set out of some empty plastic jugs we've got at home here. At this point of the year, warmth wins out over style. > I think it was in the mid 20s this AM. I don't plan on riding in > anything below 20 degrees. Too much black ice around here > (DC-Metro Area). For me, it all depends on road conditions. The Connie is too expensive to drop, so I won't be riding if there's any ice. Cold days and clear roads are not a problem. I can do cold. :) Ride warm, ride safe! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 13:39:04 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:41:11 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Cold Fingers ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:39:17 EST >if you're worried about ice you shouldn't ride below 32 degrees (freezing >point) :D Respectfully disagree here. I'm worried about ice - but I don't care what the temperature is. If it hasn't rained/snowed in a few days, then the roads will generally be clear enough to ride. There may be small patches of ice here and there (water mains breaking, people farting around washing cars, etc. etc. but you can generally see these & avoid them beforehand. If the roads are clear, I'm riding. Period! :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 13:47:35 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:45:49 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cracks in tires To: DCCycles I've ridden bikes with pretty terrible looking tires. I've never had a motorcycle tire come apart while riding it. I did have a trailer tire come apart due to old age once. First the tread came off, then the road wore through the cords and the tire went flat. The biggest problem I notice with old tires is that they don't have much traction. As the tire gets old it gets harder, hard rubber doesn't stick to the road as well as fresh new soft rubber. Ride more, then the tires wear out before the cracks appear. Leon. --- JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > ok - I've asked this before about the little cracks > appearing on my at least > two-year-old > tires-that-were-on-the-bike-when-I-bought-it ...... > and quite a > few people suggested I wait until AFTER winter to > get new tires (something > about excessive wear int he winter) ... BUT > yesterday I took a look at the > back tire and there is a good inch-wide strip now > that is filled with tiny > little cracks. It's not going to pop or wnything is > it??? > ;D > but seriously. how "cracked" can they get before I'm > endangering myself? > > Marcy > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 13:48:10 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:49:54 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Cold Fingers ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman >I recently bought a pair of trigger-finger mittens at >Manassas Honda for about $40. They have a thumb, >index finger and mitten for the other three fingers. >Quite warm; I wore them yesterday. Leon, Olympia waterproofs, right? I've had a pair of these for a couple of years now. They hold up well, are still pretty warm. Got a little bit overwhelmed this morning, so I've gotta find those polyprop liners! They are a little on the bulky side, so it's harder to manipulate the small controls (turn signal/headlight, etc. etc.) They are too warm to wear if the temps are 40+ degrees, though! :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 14:21:00 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Re: beginning racing costs Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:30:11 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I think my racing costs were less than anyone elses. I think I had a total of about $3700 into everything after my first weekend. Bike ('93 F2 that has been race thrashed its whole life) $2500 Tires $320 Used rashed leathers (nice Vansons with a really nice built in back protector) $300 Misc parts/wire/tools (borrowed some stuff for the first couple of weekends) $200 Cheap Boots $25 Race School $120 First Weekend Race Fees $100 License $100 Of course, $400/weekend after that * 8 weekends/year is another $3200. Plus a couple of non-recurring parts costs (I needed a new battery and clutch throughout the year). The $400/weekend includes recurring parts like brakes (I bought some take-offs 90% good for $5/pair), oil etc. My maintenance: Tuned up the bike before the season Changed the oil every 2-3 weekends Rode smooth (or slow) and got a season out of a set of tires. Many weekends I would come only for Saturday. I would run the middlewieght and heavyweight GT/Solo 20 races and leave. This is $100 for 40 laps + practice. Sunday sprint races cost the same per race but are 8 laps each. So, if I ran 2 middleweight and 1 heavyweight on Sunday cost would be @$130 for 24 laps. My one budgetary mistake was the endurance race. That was very expensive, and the entire strategy used was flawed. I had to get new bodywork (which Brian M. crashed after 7 laps), new tires (split by the racers). The mistake was getting 4 riders. I essentially rode 2 stints during the race. I was hoping for serious track-time, but wound up just like riding 2 Solo 20s on a saturday. I still think endurance racing can be the best bang-for-the-buck racing around, you just have to use the right strategy: Get in shape, ride very long stints, minimize number of riders to maximize track time. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 15:12:45 1999 From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:12:00 EST Subject: Re: beginning racing costs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ""AAAUUGGGHH! This makes me cringe as I write it all down. To those who have already been there / done that, have I missed anything?"" I didnt see anything about front and rear stands (no kickstands on racers) at about $250 per set. Also I didnt see anything about fresh fluids ($50 including filter, oil, brake fluid, coolant). Hmm, what else? You havent even touched the stuff that comes a little later. ~$100 for the race school and another $100 for the license. Then yur talkin $35-$50 PER race during the season. Oh yeah, what about your replacement tires? You covered replacement clutch and brake levers but what about cracked and broken plastics, bent wheels, destroyed gas tanks, etc. You get the picture. I spent nearly $7500 and I only ran in 6 races all season (in Florida). From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 15:21:23 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: beginning racing costs Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:30:45 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Brian Wrote: You'll want to get the SharkSkinz SV full bodywork set. Yes, WERA and CCS both will be requiring catch pans next year. Actually on the endurance weekend (where catch pans were already required), I saw a bunch of people who had made pans out of sheet metal. They bent it up and pop-riveted it together. Of course they mostly attached it to their old style lowers on the inside. I suspect most of the vintage racers will have to take this route though. I'm sure someone will make a catch pan lower for the SV w/brackets. I would recommend sharkskinz if you get full bodywork though. I have 2 sets of multi-tech and they are pretty crappy (even before Brian M. crashes them). The Sharkskinz I've seen are real nice (but twice the $). Jay From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 15:59:19 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:58:55 EST Subject: Re: cracks in tires To: motofranz@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX oooo baby - show me the money! LOL anybody riding on cracked tires? :D just email me some cyber cash... Marcy In a message dated 12/1/99 3:26:04 PM, motofranz@XXXXXX writes: << I Wouldn't even THINK about riding a bike with tires that have cracks in them.A car maybe. Tell you what you worry me.....I'll give you the money for new tires !!!!! >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 16:09:20 1999 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:08:08 EST Subject: Re: Cold Fingers To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I rode from Charles Town WV to Harrisburg Pa today with a pair of polartec gloves inside Army surplus mittens. My hands stayed toasty warm. I find that when the temps drop down much below the forties, only mittens of some type will do the job. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 16:18:11 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:17:25 EST Subject: Re: beginning racing costs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 12/1/99 3:22:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX writes: > Then yur talkin $35-$50 PER race during > the season. $180 buys a Solo20 and 3 races on Sun (The FZR races D-Super, F2, and Vintage6) > Oh yeah, what about your replacement tires? Lightweight bikes don't eat tires like the big bikes (no wheel spin). I ran a whole season and only had to replace my tires once. This is running slicks, but the DOTs should be about the same in terms of wear and tear. The faster you get, the more tire you'll use... I'll prob go three sets next year at least... $290 a set from JB. > You covered > replacement clutch and brake levers but what about cracked and broken > plastics, bent wheels, destroyed gas tanks, etc. You get the picture. > I spent nearly $7500 and I only ran in 6 races all season (in Florida). And the lesson here is: Don't crash :) Finishing top-10 every week during the second half of the season, no crashes... except during *practice*. ::sigh:: I need to stop that. Anyway, even with that the repair bill wasn't horrible, 60mph lowside at summit, T1. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 16:18:28 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:18:24 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: beginning racing costs Egads! And to think I was actually considering it. I think I'll just pick up a heroin habit, I hear it's less addictive and cheaper. I'll even save on the cost of the frontal lobotomy. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 16:54:54 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:06:08 -0500 Subject: Re: beginning racing costs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Danny wrote: ""AAAUUGGGHH! This makes me cringe as I write it all down. To those who have already been there / done that, have I missed anything?"" -- Are YSR and Pocketbike racing starting to look good yet? ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 17:49:19 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: beginning racing costs Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:42:21 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Are YSR and Pocketbike racing starting to look good yet? ;^) I'd like to try that sometime. If I could get 1/2 the thrills on one of those I'd go for it. I just have a feeling it will be like hopping on a 5HP go-cart after driving a Ferrari :). I think it'll just feed the addiction. Jay St. Peter have taken to playing the lottery for the 1 in a million chance I will be able to afford more racing next year. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 18:08:54 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Re: beginning racing costs Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:09:49 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Can you say soapbox derby? :) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 4:06 PM Subject: Re: beginning racing costs > Danny wrote: > ""AAAUUGGGHH! This makes me cringe as I write it all down. To those who > have > already been there / done that, have I missed anything?"" > -- > > Are YSR and Pocketbike racing starting to look good yet? ;^) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 18:16:08 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:11:10 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Fingers To: horkster@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Yes, those are the ones. They do seem to be useful only in a very narrow temperature range. They're too hot above 45 or so, and not warm enough below 35. They aren't much more bulky than the Widder gloves. I got them because I want the Widders to last longer. Different subject. Would you be interested in building a couple of pair of the cheap Walmart Projector lights as described on the LDRider list this morning? I'm thinking about getting a set for the ZX6. At that price, I might even put one of those on the new moped, the low beam on it only lasted 15 miles. Enhanced alternator output has it's downsides as well as advantages. --- Horkster wrote: > Olympia waterproofs, right? I've had a pair of > these > for a couple of years now. They hold up well, are > still > pretty warm. Got a little bit overwhelmed this > morning, > so I've gotta find those polyprop liners! > > They are a little on the bulky side, so it's harder > to > manipulate the small controls (turn > signal/headlight, etc. > etc.) They are too warm to wear if the temps are > 40+ > degrees, though! :) > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: > BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel > the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love > leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 19:53:52 1999 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:52:58 EST Subject: Re: cheap Walmart projector lights To: mriderleon@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 12/1/99 6:23:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: > > Different subject. Would you be interested in > building a couple of pair of the cheap Walmart > Projector lights as described on the LDRider list this > morning? Could you post this info to the list. I tried getting on the LDRider list once, but it didn't work. Is it a restricted list? Thanks, Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 21:33:05 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:32:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RAcing stuff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For the SV and other naked bikes, there was discussion of using a one piece lower only with brackets... works well for Buell riders, and looks pretty decent. Not mentioned, but the BEST investment in my opinion is ZIP TIES and DUCT TAPE!!! Of course the spending can be what you want it to be... Personally, I could care less how ugly the bike is (and mine was really ugly!!) A lot of crash damage can be repaied with zip ties, safety wire, duct tape, and cardboard!! YES, Cardboard!! lol Unless of course you're Jeff Ozman and freak at the first smudge of dirt ;-) if you buy a decent fiberglass bodywork (like the sharkskinz), wonders can be performed with fiberglass repair kits...again, don't expect pretty, but in my opinion I'd rather spend my money on entry fees and tires ... You can pick up a decent race bike for 3-5K ... I got my 97 GSXR for $3500, $400 for a top of the line rotary steering damper, and $50 on a set of take offs, and I was racing...of course, I rapidly got faster, and takeoffs were no longer cutting it, so I started going to one set of tires per weekend. (750's are hard on tires, and I am even worse with my dirt bike background...I slide the back end around a lot...) After the first couple of weekends, I went to an aftermarket shock, but mostly because I got a deal on it rather than absolutely needing it...Luckily, the valving in the GSXR forks is very nearly identical to gold valves by racetech, so I bypassed that... All said and done, this season I was running about $700 or so per weekend... but $340 of it or more was tires...next season will be o Bridgestones at $290/set... Did I mention ZIP TIES AND DUCT TAPE!! lol Collin PS: GoingRiding... glad to hear you got some racing in down in FL.. you'll have to tell us more.... ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 22:07:53 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 22:07:22 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: mrider@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cold Fingers Leon Begeman wrote: > > Different subject. Would you be interested in > building a couple of pair of the cheap Walmart > Projector lights as described on the LDRider list this > morning? I'm thinking about getting a set for the > ZX6. Dunno yet, I'd have to see them first. Sounded too good to be true. Any rules in VA about mounting aux lights? I've been toying with mounting them to the Rifle windshield base (above the stock headlamp) - Don't know if it's legal or not, but it sure would be effective... Dale From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 22:15:21 1999 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Cold Fingers Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:15:03 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > My fingers have thawed out enough to type. > Now the fingers.....two glove sets don't work. What is next - heated > grips? Someone suggested battery powered hunting gloves - anyone try > this? Any other ideas, besides hippopotamus gloves? I've been very pleased with Widder 'lectrics, and have heard good things about Gerbings, too. No regular glove is going to keep you as warm as heated gloves. If you're fingers start to get cold in a regular glove, there's nothing you can do. But Widder gloves ADD heat, and can warm up your fingers even after they've gotten cold. FWIW, I find a pair of thin glove liners under the Widders helps distribute the heat more evenly. I've also tried heated grip covers and Widders. I prefer the gloves. The grip covers are very warm, but concentrate their heat on the palms of your hands, while the backs of your hands and fingers are more exposed to the wind. Widder gloves apply the heat to the backs of the hand and fingers. Also, if you're covering the brake with one or two fingers, heated grips don't help those fingers at all. In The Wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 22:17:51 1999 From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:17:09 EST Subject: Racing stuff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey, Collin I heard that. You really can't say a whole lot about me since by the end of the season my bike was more tape than plastic. p.s. I think SV's should be thrown in with Heavy Weight twins, I'm tired of being the guy with a knife in a gunfight. Jeff Ozmen DUC 748 W.E.R.A. # 86 CCS # 268 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 22:21:02 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 22:19:12 -0800 From: JEM Broga Subject: Head Count For Racers, Looking for Jeff Ozmen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lately the list has been talking a lot about racing and it got me wondering how many listers are going to race this year, what bikes they are on and what series they plan to run. Seems like the momentum continues to build - Also, Jeff O. are you out there still? Are you racing in 2000, or are you selling your stock in yellow duct tape and taking a break? :^) Jonathan From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 1 22:42:25 1999 From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:41:49 EST Subject: Head count To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Jonathan, Here. Present, and Yes I am racing in the next millinium. I'll be in the area until around June. Ducati? Absolutely, it wouldn't be racing if I wasn't throwing away large amounts of money. I'll also be racing the YZF. Jeff Ozmen rolling mass of duct tape(yellow) # 86 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 01:21:20 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "vfr 800" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: Share of Tire Changer Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 09:24:00 GMT I'm interested in this, could you give me all the details? Thanks -Daniel On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:53:19 PST, you wrote: |>Due to me leaving the DC area for the land west, (Kalifornia), I am = selling=20 |>my share of the DC cycles tire changer collective. |> |>$30 obo. |> |>Thanks!! (Yes, you will ALL be missed) |> |>John |> |> |>______________________________________________________ |>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 01:28:36 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:27:50 EST Subject: Re: Head Count For Racers, Looking for Jeff Ozmen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 12/1/99 10:27:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbroga@XXXXXX writes: > Lately the list has been talking a lot about racing and it got me wondering > how many listers are going to race this year, what bikes they are on and > what series they plan to run WERA, every race, FZR400RR with a FZR400 backup/rain bike... If I can beat Randy I might win a couple this year :) To anyone going racing next season: I have a decent sized truck and trailer (Prob upgrading both for next year, actually). Brad has first dibs as a traveling partner, but as he's been bitten by the bug and bought a truck... I might have room on any given weekend. I do not like to travel without a partner, so there's a good chance there will be space (Even with Brad going... I'm going to get a big truck and a 6x10 trailer for next year, we can prob haul 4 bikes and 3 people). Traveling alone is generally a bad idea as you end up with Murphy as a partner... driving home with a broken ankle or collarbone REALLY bites. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 06:53:33 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 03:53:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Cold Fingers -> Aux lights To: DC Cycles Guy Young (COG guru) and I did some investigation into the Virginia inspection code. He was originally told that you could not have auxillary lights above the main headlight. But I was told it was okay. What we found was for cars, it specifies that the aux lamps have to be under the headlights, but is silent on the issue for motorcycles. Thus we assumed silence = acceptance in this case. Louis --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > > Different subject. Would you be interested in > > building a couple of pair of the cheap Walmart > > Projector lights as described on the LDRider list this > > morning? I'm thinking about getting a set for the > > ZX6. > > Dunno yet, I'd have to see them first. Sounded too > good to be true. > > Any rules in VA about mounting aux lights? I've been > toying with mounting them to the Rifle windshield base > (above the stock headlamp) - Don't know if it's legal > or not, but it sure would be effective... > > Dale > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 07:28:16 1999 From: "Brad Faas" To: "JEM Broga" , Subject: RE: Head Count For Racers, Looking for Jeff Ozmen Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:28:13 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 FZR 400, Every WERA race I can sneak it into. :-) Thinking about heading to one of the CCS events in Daytona just to say "I raced there". Brad -----Original Message----- From: JEM Broga [mailto:jbroga@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 1:19 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Head Count For Racers, Looking for Jeff Ozmen Lately the list has been talking a lot about racing and it got me wondering how many listers are going to race this year, what bikes they are on and what series they plan to run. Seems like the momentum continues to build - Also, Jeff O. are you out there still? Are you racing in 2000, or are you selling your stock in yellow duct tape and taking a break? :^) Jonathan From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 07:44:40 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 07:36:26 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cold Fingers -> Aux lights I seem to recall the maximum number of lights on front is six. I also note that H-D sells quartz aux lamps to be mounted on the nerf bar which would raise the total frontal lights on a dresser/bagger to eight. In the US the "passing lamps" on an H-D only work on low beam (???) This is a DOT stunt that I plan to override as soon as I can figure out the wiring system, which apparently was designed by Lucas Electrics. Bill Louis F. Caplan wrote: > Guy Young (COG guru) and I did some investigation into the Virginia inspection > code. He was originally told that you could not have auxillary lights above > the main headlight. But I was told it was okay. What we found was for cars, > it specifies that the aux lamps have to be under the headlights, but is silent > on the issue for motorcycles. Thus we assumed silence = acceptance in this > case. > > Louis > > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > > > > Different subject. Would you be interested in > > > building a couple of pair of the cheap Walmart > > > Projector lights as described on the LDRider list this > > > morning? I'm thinking about getting a set for the > > > ZX6. > > > > Dunno yet, I'd have to see them first. Sounded too > > good to be true. > > > > Any rules in VA about mounting aux lights? I've been > > toying with mounting them to the Rifle windshield base > > (above the stock headlamp) - Don't know if it's legal > > or not, but it sure would be effective... > > > > Dale > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 09:52:27 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:52:53 -0500 Subject: Proposed WERA rules 2000 Regarding the race classes discussion, here are the proposed rules for the WERA lightweight class. It doesn't look like there are any special rules regarding the SV. Anyway, it looks like the rules are going to pan out like this: D Super - FZR's to 430cc, Twins to 700cc, SV's performance indexed to SS rules with slicks. F2 - FZR's to 565cc, all twins (including the SV) to 700cc LW Twins - no change so that does allow the SV to 750cc if anyone wants to go for it :-) At this point this is the fairest to all concerned that we could come up with. It won't please everyone and is not cast in stone for another few days so feel free to pick away at it and point out any problems. As noted above this is not cast in stone so pick apart if necessary :-) Sean P. Clarke WERA Motorcycle Roadracing From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 10:34:15 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:34:03 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dec 4 & 5 Washington DC Area Ride - It's a Go! (fwd) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:08:22 -0500 From: David M2 Thompson To: vfr@XXXXXX Cc: Hugh Caldwell , Brad Hogue , Ned Suesse , steve Price , mike Troutman Subject: Dec 4 & 5 Washington DC Area Ride - It's a Go! I just checked the Washington DC area forecast - Highs in the low 60s & no threat of rain. Definitely rideable weather! The Route sheet is loaded, the map is printed & the bike goes on the trailer in the morning (after sweeping ~ 6" snow off). So far, the riders are: Steve Price ('87 VFR) Hugh Caldwell (VFR 800) Brad Hogue (F4) Ned Suesse (F3) As stated earlier, the start point is at the entrance to the Montgomery County Fairgrounds, just off Chestnut St. in Gaithersburg. Meet ~ 9:30 Leave @ 10:00 after greetings & earplug insertion ceremony. The Route is mostly backroads - Northwest to Catoctin Mtn, South to Harpers Ferry, South then Northeast to Point of Rocks, East to Lily Ponds/Thurston Rd, then return to Gaithersburg. ~180 miles. Routing Ad libs are welcome. If any other listers are interested, just show up! David "RoutemeiSTer" Thompson AMA# 504560 STOC# 840 Current STable 90 Suzuki DR350S 91 Honda ST1100 94 Honda VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 11:42:01 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:41:20 -0500 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dec 4 & 5 Washington DC Area Ride - It's a Go! (fwd) Greetings, Nice route. Since the subject says Dec 4th & 5th, does this mean the same ride will happen both days? Thanks, -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 12:42:43 1999 From: "Dave Cross" To: Subject: Re: Head Count For Racers Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:51:20 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 The doctor says my collar bone will be very susceptible to a re-break for the next year due to the way in which the pieces are coming together, but . . . . . . if I do make it back onto the track next season I will be running by 53hp, stock pipe and jetting, FZR400 in the expert class, trying very hard to avoid finishing last. I had a best finish of 4th in the amatuers at Summit Last season, I think I ride pretty well (by this I mean smooth, not neccesarily fast), and will be very glad to get out of the amatuer ranks and avoid the hazards riding amoungst such varying skill levels. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 12:42:24 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:40:57 EST Subject: Re: Proposed WERA rules 2000 To: jnewman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Huh? What do you mean? The first line you posted lists the special rule for the SV. It's restricted to SuperSport Rules - that means you can't bore it (not even 1mm) and you can't modify internal engine parts. They also raised us FZR guys to 430cc, which allows 2mm pistons (was 1mm this year). It puts everything at about even footing. My FZR400RR is being seriously built, and should have like 75hp at the rear when I'm done with it - a SuperSport SV will have about 73hp (but more torque). - Brian In a message dated 12/2/99 9:59:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, jnewman@XXXXXX writes: > Regarding the race classes discussion, here are the > proposed rules for the WERA lightweight class. It > doesn't look like there are any special rules regarding the > SV. > > > Anyway, it looks like the rules are going to pan out like this: > > D Super - FZR's to 430cc, Twins to 700cc, SV's performance indexed to SS > rules with slicks. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 13:35:31 1999 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'mriderleon@XXXXXX'" Subject: LDRider: Cheap, tiny, aux lights you can afford Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:34:53 -0500 Leon Begeman asked: Different subject. Would you be interested in building a couple of pair of the cheap Walmart Projector lights as described on the LDRider list this morning? I'm thinking about getting a set for the ZX6. At that price, I might even put one of those on the new moped, the low beam on it only lasted 15 miles. Enhanced alternator output has it's downsides as well as advantages." FWIW: Picture at: http://members.aol.com/sabmagpatch/fog.jpg Downside is the cost ~$20 for the pair I bought a set of "driving lights" at Wally Mart on sale last summer for $17. Plus these use the H-3 bulbs, ~$4.00; cheaper than the $9.00 ones Gaget Dan is cobbling up. The cheap chrome will rust before Dan's heavy duty galvanized holders but the kit included a switch and wire. For those commuting through the winter, I recommend a set of driving-fog lights. Not so much for lighting up the road but for making yourself more conspicuous. There's no question about you "not being seen" when the BDC starts to cut you off. That's when the big honking tooters convince them to keep in their place. http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg (Those are not the $17 driving lights) Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 13:56:53 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:55 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Custer; Carl" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Cc: "mriderleon@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:LDRider: was... Aux lights now... Headlights Hey... now that we're on the subject of lighting... I'm going to convert my old VFR from a single headlight to a dual headlight configuration and was planning on either trying to locate a stock GSXR setup (probably less hassle) or make my own (more fun). Question is though... if I go the completely fabricated route what can I use for the lights? I believe that they have to be DOT approved to be used on the highway but I've seen guys get away with using projector beam type setups. I can always get my VFR through inspection... that's no big deal. However, I don't want to run into any problems with "the law" if I happen to get stuck riding it in the dark (I usually try to ride during daylight hours). Any ideas? Thanks, Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 14:08:12 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:01:14 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: LDRider: Cheap, tiny, aux lights you can afford To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" Cc: mriderleon@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Those look like the tenzo auxilliories. My freind John Kozyn used these on his 86VFR750. What I'd like to find out is how to get a couple of strings of Christmas lights on, converting over from a 12v system. Now THAT couldn't be missed by a BDC. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > > Leon Begeman asked: Different subject. Would you be interested > in building > a couple of pair of the cheap Walmart Projector lights as described on the > LDRider list this morning? > > > That's when the big honking tooters > convince them to > keep in their place. > http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg > (Those are not the $17 driving lights) > > Carl in Bethesda > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 14:28:25 1999 From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:25:40 -0500 Subject: RE: LDRider: Cheap, tiny, aux lights you can afford Content-Disposition: inline The easiest way to do that would be to use a 12V to 120V inverter and just plug them right into the inverter. Or you could rewire the string for 12 volts. For example if the string had 50 lights wired in series to work off of 120 volts then you could simply rewire it so that each set of 5 bulbs receives 12 volts. Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 14:37:26 1999 From: Mark Petty To: "'DCCy'" Subject: RE: LDRider: Cheap, tiny, aux lights you can afford Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:36:31 -0500 Years ago, a friend of mine rigged up two strings of christmas lights on his vw wagon (what the hell where they called, anyway?) and strung them through his roof rack. They went on and off with his turn signals. He also had christmas lights in every room of his apartment that blinked whenever the phone rang. Year round. -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:01 PM To: Custer, Carl; 'DCCy' Cc: mriderleon@XXXXXX Subject: RE: LDRider: Cheap, tiny, aux lights you can afford Those look like the tenzo auxilliories. My freind John Kozyn used these on his 86VFR750. What I'd like to find out is how to get a couple of strings of Christmas lights on, converting over from a 12v system. Now THAT couldn't be missed by a BDC. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > > Leon Begeman asked: Different subject. Would you be interested > in building > a couple of pair of the cheap Walmart Projector lights as described on the > LDRider list this morning? > > > That's when the big honking tooters > convince them to > keep in their place. > http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg > (Those are not the $17 driving lights) > > Carl in Bethesda > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 14:43:29 1999 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: modulators ?, was RE: aux lights Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:38:13 -0500 Organization: NCEA Interesting idea, maybe one of those little singing Christmas trees? Seriously, has anyone out there used one of the headlight modulators? I understand that it gives good visibility without breaking the law (the light is never completely off, so it doesn't count as "flashing") I read at one point that one of the manufacturers had terrible quality control and the units failed regularly, but others are supposedly good. Any thoughts? Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "I am having an out of money experience." What I'd like to find out is how to get a couple of strings of Christmas lights on, converting over from a 12v system. Now THAT couldn't be missed by a BDC. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 15:51:03 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:50:38 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: modulators ?, was RE: aux lights Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Seriously, has anyone out there used one of the headlight modulators? I wouldn't have it working if you come out on a group ride though, very irritating! Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 16:41:05 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:40:58 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dec 4 & 5 Routes - No! There's a second one (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:26:49 -0500 From: David M2 Thompson To: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: Dec 4 & 5 Routes - No! There's a second one Hugh, I waited 'til the weather outlook was confirmed & did a Port Royal Loop last night for the second run. I don't care which we do first. Regards, Dave Thompson ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:41:20 -0500 From: Dave Paper To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dec 4 & 5 Washington DC Area Ride - It's a Go! (fwd) Greetings, Nice route. Since the subject says Dec 4th & 5th, does this mean the same ride will happen both days? Thanks, -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 16:52:59 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:46:47 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: LDRider: Cheap, tiny, aux lights you can afford To: "'DCCy'" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Vanagan(sp) or Westfalia, or mini-Bus. Cool cages, as far as cages go, IMHO only! T > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Petty [mailto:mark.petty@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:37 PM > To: 'DCCy' > Subject: RE: LDRider: Cheap, tiny, aux lights you can afford > > > Years ago, a friend of mine rigged up two strings of christmas > lights on his > vw wagon (what the hell where they called, anyway?) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 17:14:22 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:07:05 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Dec 4 & 5 Routes - No! There's a second one (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay > HAHAHAHA, I like it! Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 17:19:30 1999 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Crashing Bodywork.. & racing startup.. Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:12:53 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 LOL Jay.. Man.. that bodywork made it more than 7 laps into the race.. *grin* 2 people rode the bike before I ever go on it.. :P And I thought it held up REALLY well in the 2 crashes I put it through.. well, ok, the 2nd high-side in T1~T2 kinda tore it up a bit. Other associated racing costs.. $10 for Motrin (buy the Economy size!) Spare gloves/helmet (for when Collin.. er, I mean a friend crashes theirs and still wants to race). TOOLS! you don't need enough to tear apart the engine at the track, but a good set is a must at the track. You'll need to see to personal comfort aswell.. an EZ-up for shade, chairs, coolers, food and drinks for each weekend.. and when you become addicted, travel costs to other tracks, hotels. Don't forget the insurance premium (if your current carrier doesn't cover.. there are 'racing' insurance places that cover for like $250/year). ppssstt... I've got an RS125 FS.. who wants to start racing.. ;) LOL Brian McCoy (displaced DC-Cycles Racing team co-founder, and current MMI student.. yeeehaw!) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 17:27:51 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:05:10 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: RE: LDRider: Cheap, tiny, aux lights you can afford To: Todd Peer , DCCycles --- Todd Peer wrote: > > What I'd like to find out is how to get a couple of > strings of Christmas > lights on, converting over from a 12v system. Now > THAT couldn't be missed > by a BDC. > The little ones are usually wired in series. I think the bulbs are about 6 volts each. Wire two or three in series, and put strings of them in parallel. You ought to be able to put up as many lights as needed. Perhaps the local GWRRA chapter can also help with this project. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 17:29:49 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:29:12 -0500 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dec 4 & 5 Routes - No! There's a second one (fwd) On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > > > > MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay > > > > HAHAHAHA, I like it! Yeah, well I've been around a few, and that's all I ever hear them say "let me check the MS knowledge base, I don't know how to fix this" "ummm if you have to do that, then how did you manage to get your MCSE certification?" "......." Looks like I may make the ride on Sunday. Thanks for the info! -dave 84 shadow 700 -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 17:40:54 1999 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Off subject: VW Bus; was Cheap, tiny, aux lights you can afford Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:40:18 PST Hey folks... I'm not that old (37) but if memory serves and you are talking about the 1960s van like thing it was a "VW Micro-Bus". It WAS cheap, but it seldom had airconditioning and its air cooled engine was not really that reliable. The Vanagon came in the late 70s, so it could have been that too. Westfalia builds fiberglass pop-up tops for lots of vans. Back to motorcycles (sort of) : I remember getting one Harley in the back of a Vanagon. The bike was a real piece of sh... err... work; made in Italy it was always breaking down. The chain oiler leaked all over the van. >From: Todd Peer >To: "'DCCy'" >Subject: RE: LDRider: Cheap, tiny, aux lights you can afford >Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:46:47 -0500 > >Vanagan(sp) or Westfalia, or mini-Bus. Cool cages, as far as cages go, >IMHO >only! > >T > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Petty [mailto:mark.petty@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:37 PM > > To: 'DCCy' > > Subject: RE: LDRider: Cheap, tiny, aux lights you can afford > > > > > > Years ago, a friend of mine rigged up two strings of christmas > > lights on his > > vw wagon (what the hell where they called, anyway?) > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 18:15:22 1999 From: "Jon Schumer" To: Subject: Re: Head Count For Racers Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:14:20 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'll be racing part time next year. Looking forward to passing a few SV's on my outdated Hawk. 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 18:43:47 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Re: passing SV's, was Head Count For Racers Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:43:30 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Is this where we SV racers (OK, want-to-be SV racers) chime in about wake up, your dreaming or something to that extent? :) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Schumer To: Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Head Count For Racers > I'll be racing part time next year. Looking forward to passing a few SV's > on my outdated Hawk. 8^) > > Jon > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 21:14:56 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:14:53 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: passing SV's, was Head Count For Racers To: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Trash talking already. Looks like 2000 will be a good year for the spectators! Sean Sullivan --- Danny Thompson wrote: > Is this where we SV racers (OK, want-to-be SV > racers) chime in about wake > up, your dreaming or something to that extent? :) > Danny > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jon Schumer > > I'll be racing part time next year. Looking > forward to passing a few SV's > > on my outdated Hawk. 8^) > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 21:24:19 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Re: passing SV's, was Head Count For Racers Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:22:01 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 That was not trash talking...I asked a simple question. :) '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Sullivan To: Danny Thompson ; Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:14 PM Subject: Re: passing SV's, was Head Count For Racers > Trash talking already. Looks like 2000 will be a > good year for the spectators! > Sean Sullivan > > --- Danny Thompson wrote: > > Is this where we SV racers (OK, want-to-be SV > > racers) chime in about wake > > up, your dreaming or something to that extent? :) > > Danny > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jon Schumer > > > I'll be racing part time next year. Looking > > forward to passing a few SV's > > > on my outdated Hawk. 8^) > > > > > > Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 21:33:13 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 21:29:32 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: passing SV's, was Head Count For Racers To: Sean Sullivan , Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal What are you talking about? You're playing deep in turn #1. T > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Sullivan [mailto:redsullivan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:15 PM > To: Danny Thompson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: passing SV's, was Head Count For Racers > > > Trash talking already. Looks like 2000 will be a > good year for the spectators! > Sean Sullivan > > --- Danny Thompson wrote: > > Is this where we SV racers (OK, want-to-be SV > > racers) chime in about wake > > up, your dreaming or something to that extent? :) > > Danny > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jon Schumer > > > I'll be racing part time next year. Looking > > forward to passing a few SV's > > > on my outdated Hawk. 8^) > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 2 22:26:17 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 22:28:21 -0500 From: Tim Morrow X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Race Survey and Virginia Driving Lights Race Survey: George Vensko and I will be contesting all 16 Mid-Atlantic CCS events this year. Flamin' Duc Racing will be fielding two old, antiquated, vintage, 2-valve, air-cooled, steel- framed, straight-rate shock linkage, DOT-tired Ducati 750SS's in most of the Lightweight classes. We intend to get our skinny old-guy butts seriously whipped by the fast kids on the blocks on their SV650's and have fun doing it. I'll also be racing LW Sportsman on my new(!) 1996 Kawi Ninja 500 bought from Ted Johnson (#855 last year). Oh yeah, we'll both be on white plates this year. Virginia Driving Lights: Had PIAA 910's on my ST1100; no Va inspection problems. VRTP: Teaching the last two weekends of the Loudon Campus MRC:RSS classes this weekend and next. If you're riding west on Route 7, drop by and say "hello"! Tim -- MSF #21769 1997 Triumph T509 Speed Triple - Street Flamin' Duc Racing: CCS #432 WERA #430 1992 Ducati 750SS 1996 Kawasaki Ninja 500 -- A member of the Morrow family in Herndon, Virginia E-mail respondants: change the number ‘2’ in the reply-to address to the word “to”. The correct reply-to address should read ‘tomorrow erols.com’. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 00:40:34 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:40:01 -0500 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Cold Fingers -> Aux lights On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 07:36:26 -0500 Bill Huson wrote: In the US the "passing lamps" >on an H-D only work on low beam (???) This is a DOT stunt that I plan to override >as soon as I can figure out the wiring system, which apparently was designed by >Lucas Electrics. Rewiring them was discussed alot on re.moto.harley. Check out the site www.world-wide-glide.com and search around. They used to have info on this. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 00:50:22 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:50:55 -0500 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:LDRider: was... Aux lights now... Headlights On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:55 -0500 Tom Zell wrote: >I'm going to convert my old VFR from a single headlight to a dual headlight >configuration and was planning on either trying to locate a stock GSXR setup >(probably less hassle) or make my own (more fun). Question is though... if I go >the completely fabricated route what can I use for the lights? Check that streetfighters site that was posted a few months ago. Also,I've seen several dual-light conversions advertised in the back of _Superbike_ and _Performance Bikes_ and seem to recall seeing one for older VFR's. You could also fit racing bodywork and cut it for lights from another bike. I'd recommend CBR900RR's. Best set of headlights I've ever used. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 01:28:30 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:27:56 EST Subject: Re: passing SV's, was Head Count For Racers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 12/2/99 6:48:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: > Is this where we SV racers (OK, want-to-be SV racers) chime in about wake > up, your dreaming or something to that extent? :) I figure a SuperStock SV, well tuned, is looking at 74hp. I *will* have a 400 putting out that much power next year. It's gonna cost me, but I'm going to do it. I am not going to get motored by any Stinkin' SVs. Muhahahahahahahaha ::ahem:: Sorry, got carried away. :) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 06:13:04 1999 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:12:11 EST Subject: Re: Head Count For Racers To: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hi Jon: After sorting out this season's minor reliability problem, the RD may be back on the track next year. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 08:21:48 1999 From: "Brad Faas" To: , Subject: RE: Head Count For Racers Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:21:19 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] >After sorting out this season's minor reliability problem, the RD may be back >on the track next year. Geez, I guess all those things that went wrong with my bike the first weekend weren't really problems - if one defines showering the front straight with pieces of one's engine as "minor reliability problems". :-) BTW, I just realized this is the most the list has talked about racing since I've been on it. AND IT'S WINTER!! Acck, I can't wait for next season. :-) Brad From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 09:32:09 1999 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:31:21 EST Subject: Re: Head Count For Racers To: f4rider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 12/3/99 8:21:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, f4rider@XXXXXX writes: << if one defines showering the front straight with pieces of one's engine as "minor reliability problems". :-) >> Well, maybe not so minor.:-) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 09:54:32 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:54:01 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Head Count For Racers Well I've signed up for the MARRC school, But I don't have a race bike yet and the costs are starting to frighten me. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 10:34:52 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Head Count For Racers Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:44:28 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 -- Hugh Wrote: Well I've signed up for the MARRC school, But I don't have a race bike yet and the costs are starting to frighten me. Might be a good time for me to mention my F2 for sale. Ready to go (except that it is now winterized) and extremely reliable. $2K. Just e-mail me for more details if you're interested. New house and new baby are forcing me into poverty (racing is chump change compared to daycare). Don't think I'll be able to race next year. Hopefully I'll be able to swing a few track days. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 10:49:15 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:48:05 EST Subject: Re: Head Count For Racers To: twg@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 12/3/99 10:03:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, twg@XXXXXX writes: > Well I've signed up for the MARRC school, But I don't > have a race bike yet and the costs are starting to frighten me. Hugh - If you don't get a racebike by then, or are still deciding, you're more than welcome to use my FZR400 for the school. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 10:53:11 1999 From: Jon Broga To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Getting started/money/the bug Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:54:16 -0500 I can't speak for your financial position, and I'm not trying to be some patron saint of roadracing, but it really doesn't have to be that bad. Ya know how women can never remember the pain of childbirth, else they would never do it again? Maybe I've got a similair type of memory problem, but this past summer doesn't seem like it was that bad. I think what happens is your priorities shift. I ended up giving up stuff to finance my racing, specifically my street bike, a beautifully set up Superhawk. But I didn't notice or care because I was having so much fun. Simply going out for pizza made me think twice about cash, but it was so worth it because the weekends were adding a whole new demension to life, one that street riding or eating out would never bring. You'll never ever look back and tell your grandkids, or whoever, about the steak you once had, or how cable TV really made life great. And there aren't any trophy's waiting at the end of street rides. It will change your attitude towards money, and you'll value things in terms of racing. If you are like a lot of guys, once you get the hang of it you'll have trouble picturing a life without it. Its just that fun. Jonathan Broga Century Pool Management 703.923.7946 x112 -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, December 03, 1999 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Head Count For Racers > > Well I've signed up for the MARRC school, But I don't >have a race bike yet and the costs are starting to frighten me. > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 10:55:57 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:55:48 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Head Count For Racers Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Jay St. Peter wrote: > New house and new baby are forcing me into poverty That sucks, ask me how I know! :) > (racing is chump change compared to daycare). Indeed, let's see, we were paying over $900/mo for 2 kids (not infants) in non-commercial (home) day care. Ouch! A single infant in commercial day care is even more than that... All these $$$s for racing has confirmed my decision not to do the road racing thing. Enduros are a lot cheaper... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 11:32:32 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Re: Getting started/money/the bug Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:33:46 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hugh wrote: > > Well I've signed up for the MARRC school, But I don't > >have a race bike yet and the costs are starting to frighten me. and Jon responded: > snip... I think what happens is > your priorities shift. I ended up giving up stuff to finance my racing, > specifically my street bike, a beautifully set up Superhawk. But I didn't > notice or care because I was having so much fun. Simply going out for pizza > made me think twice about cash, but it was so worth it because the weekends > were adding a whole new demension to life, one that street riding or eating > out would never bring... snip I haven't even been on a track before (well, Mid-Ohio parade laps don't count) and I already understand what Jon is saying. I could spend less money to get started (I am for some things except protective gear / safety) and you could also. I didn't have to have the clip-ons, rearsets, suspension upgrades (which I have decided to go cheap on for now) or new tires, it was a choice. I figure I would do it about halfway extra's wise for now. Next year may be different. Technically all you NEED is: gloves, boots, helmet, leathers, a prepped motorcycle, good enough tires for race school, $$ to pay for race school, license, entry fees, and gas. Everything else (that I can think of off the top of my head) you could get by without. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 12:00:37 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:59:58 EST Subject: Re: Getting started/money/the bug To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I couldn't have said it better myself :) While my financial position makes it a bit easier for me, I have no regrets about any of the money I spent this year racing. I've met some of the greatest people, had some of the best times, and that's something that can never be taken away. I also will not be the 40 year old guy who has some sort of mental collapse because he never did any of the things he wanted to when he was younger (Ok, So I'll be the 40 year old guy who's psyched because he now qualifies for CCS Formula40... but that's WAY better). Realistically, you can get by spending a little less money - here's a basic rundown of what you *need* to go racing next year: Bike: $2 - $3k, fully prepped racebike with spares. Stand: $130 (If the bike didn't come with one) Leathers: $500 - $1000 Boots: $150 - $250 Gloves: $100 Race School: $100 (I think?) Someone who already races to give you a hand: Free That's all I had at the beginning of this year. The last one is the key, but as everyone on the list has seen, there are quite a few of us willing to help out. Beyond that, you will spend $200 a weekend, and need to buy oil, gas, and occasionally tires. You might invest in some tools ($100 - ??), extra spares ($200), a canopy ($179), etc.. but those are not *needed* to start racing. Between CCS and WERA, you can race 8 times at Summit a year - for many people, that's plenty. If you don't own a truck and for some reason can't hitch a ride for your bike to the track, U-Haul will rent you a pickup for $20 a day. You can buy a $400 utility trailer at Home Depot that a honda civic could pull, and will get you to Summit every time without problems. If you *really* get hooked, THEN you're going to spend some money. But to just get your feet wet, it's not cheap, but it's not undoable. - Brian In a message dated 12/3/99 11:01:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, JON@XXXXXX writes: > You'll never ever look back and tell your grandkids, > or whoever, about the steak you once had, or how cable TV really made life > great. And there aren't any trophy's waiting at the end of street rides. It > will change your attitude towards money, and you'll value things in terms of > racing. If you are like a lot of guys, once you get the hang of it you'll > have trouble picturing a life without it. Its just that fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 12:35:20 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: racing licenses Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:36:20 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Can you race CCS with a WERA license (or vise-versa)? Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 12:43:57 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , Subject: bt 58's vs D207 gp's Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:45:06 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 How do these two tires compare on the track? Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 12:56:52 1999 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:56:14 EST Subject: Sunday Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thinking about a Sunday ride in Maryland. Would like to start out at the Borders in Bowie. (Intersection of route 50 and 301) From DC take 50 East from Beltway, exit on 301 South and turn right at the first light (there is an Exxon Station). Borders is in the shopping area. Would like to leave at about 1:30- 2:00 and end up in Annapolis at about 4. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 13:02:38 1999 From: "Brad Faas" To: "Danny Thompson" , Subject: RE: racing licenses Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:02:17 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Nope. They want your money. :-) But having one license does qualify you for the right to *purchase* the other's license. (I.e., you don't have to take seperate race schools) Brad -----Original Message----- From: Danny Thompson [mailto:dthompso1@XXXXXX] Can you race CCS with a WERA license (or vise-versa)? Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 13:15:36 1999 X-Originating-IP: [208.197.3.43] From: "Donnie Biser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dec. 4th and 5th ride. Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:14:48 PST Hey guys I might be a little slow with this, but what are the ride plans again? I live right off rt.77 in catoctin mt. so this is definitely in my neck o' the woods so to speak. Thanks in advance. Donnie 95 rf600 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 13:37:10 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:36:30 EST Subject: Re: racing licenses To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 12/3/99 12:42:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: > Can you race CCS with a WERA license (or vise-versa)? No, you have to buy both each year. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 13:53:05 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , Subject: re-springing a shock Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:54:16 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I have a heavier spring to put on a GSXR shock. Can anyone tell me how to do this. Is it very difficult? TIA Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 14:08:50 1999 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 14:05 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Danny Thompson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:re-springing a shock Have no idea about the GSXR's setup but my FOX requires a hydraulic press to remove the spring. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: re-springing a shock Author: dthompso1@XXXXXX (Danny Thompson) Date: 12/03/1999 1:54 PM I have a heavier spring to put on a GSXR shock. Can anyone tell me how to do this. Is it very difficult? TIA Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 14:09:06 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:08:58 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: Donnie Biser cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dec. 4th and 5th ride. This is a ride being setup by David Thompson of the VFR list who is gonna be in town over the weekend and is bringing his bike. The basic plan is to meet at the entrance of the Montgomery County Fairgrounds at 9:30 am on Saturday and/or Sunday and go riding. Dave has apparently setup routes for both days. On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Donnie Biser wrote: > > > Hey guys I might be a little slow with this, but what are the ride plans > again? > I live right off rt.77 in catoctin mt. so this is definitely in my neck o' > the woods so to speak. > > Thanks in advance. > > Donnie > 95 rf600 > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 14:34:03 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:33:27 EST Subject: Re: re-springing a shock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 12/3/99 2:15:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, TZell@XXXXXX writes: > Have no idea about the GSXR's setup but my FOX requires a hydraulic press to > remove the spring. You can avoid this by getting one of the "spring compressor" things from sears... it's this thing that attaches to the spring in 4 places, then you ratchet it down to hold the spring in a compressed state for insertion/removal. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 14:41:04 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: Subject: Re:re-springing a shock Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:50:38 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I think they make spring compressors for motorcycle shock springs similar to those use on cages. I'd personally send it somewhere and get it done. I have seen a pickup spring come free of the compressor and it is pretty scary. Kinda made me paranoid of springs I guess. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 15:31:13 1999 From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:30:30 EST Subject: Re: Off subject: VW Bus; was Cheap, tiny, aux lights you can afford To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Back to motorcycles (sort of) : I remember getting one Harley in the back of >a Vanagon. The bike was a real piece of sh... err... work; made in Italy it >was always breaking down. The chain oiler leaked all over the van. Now THAT sure triggered a moto memory....About 15 years ago, I and my then-boyfriend drove 380 miles from Berkeley to Pasadena (CA) to pick up a Norton Commando and a BSA Lightening. We took his '72 VW bus, which had a bench that turned into a bed and a little sink with some cupboards already taking up space inside. We did manage to get both bikes in by taking off the front wheels and fenders, but part of the BSA stuck out so that we couldn't quite close the side door and had to tie it shut with rope. The van had had a little trouble going over the hills on Interstate 5 that separate the central valley from the LA basin, so we decided to take Highway 101 instead, which is nearly 100 miles longer, but more flat. In Santa Barbara we picked up a hitchhiker who happened to want to go back to Berkeley. Not too far north from Santa Barbara there are some hills, which had never seemed big to me before, but in that van with three people and the bikes, our top speed was 15 mph. We probably wouldn't have made it at all if we had gone the shorter route. The hitchhiker even had the nerve to complain, and that was after we bought some food for him, the ungrateful deadhead! The weird thing is that if someone offered to sell me an old WV bus, I would probably want it. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 16:14:09 1999 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:11:36 -0500 Subject: new tire From: "Charles L. Rosen" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Picked up a big shard of metal in my pirelli dragon. Still had about half it life left too. Any recs where locally to get a new one? I used to go to Art's place. -charles ---------- >From: "Jay St. Peter" >To: , >Cc: >Subject: Re:re-springing a shock >Date: Fri, Dec 3, 1999, 5:50 PM > > > I think they make spring compressors for motorcycle shock springs similar to > those use on cages. I'd personally send it somewhere and get it done. I > have seen a pickup spring come free of the compressor and it is pretty > scary. Kinda made me paranoid of springs I guess. > > Jay St. Peter > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 16:52:38 1999 From: "Jon Schumer" To: Subject: Re: passing SV's, was Head Count For Racers Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:51:46 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Is this where we SV racers (OK, want-to-be SV racers) chime in about wake > up, your dreaming or something to that extent? :) > Danny Don't let those words come back to haunt you. 8^P Sounds like we're gonna have a fun racing season in the lightweight class. Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 17:13:59 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:15:41 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Beemer sighting last night Caught up to and rode with somebody on a Beemer oil-head through Clifton, VA after work last night. Big hard bags. Rider wore a FirstGear Kilimanjaro jacket. We talked briefly at the light, I said "I was glad I wasn't the only nut out here tonight!" Anyone on the list? Just curious. That's a fun way to ride home. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 19:55:13 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:55:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: head count, racing stuff, and tires.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 20:10:15 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:10:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: head count, racing stuff, tires, and some parts FS..... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX oops.. sorry bout the blank message prior to this one..... I'll be racing a full schedule next year... jsut not sure what that schedule will be. Most likely I will run all GLRRA events (a good excuse for you LD types to get out an about :-)) and some of the Fasttrax endurance races at Nelson Ledges (But I have to find a kidney donor first!!). I do plan to run one or two Summit Rounds so I can see all my friends too!! And currently, the plan is to attempt qualifying for the AMA 750 SS race at Mid-Ohio...may not even make it to the grid, but I'll have a grand ole time trying (assuming money doesn't become an issue) Danny, I don't know about that particular model of Bridgestone, but I have seen nothing but good results from the BT-56 SS's (I think that's what the race tire was called this year.. the new one whatever its name is...) every bit the same grip as 207's, longer life, and $50 cheaper! I honestly would have switched to them this season had I not been in a points battle... I didn't want to waste a weekend figuring out new suspension settings for the tires... As for the GSXR Spring, give Fast Lane a call or your local shop out there if you're in good with them.. they can probably swap the spring over about 50 times faster than you can with much less frustration.. and I really couldn't imagine it costing more thand $15 or $20 if that much even... Also, I wish I had known you were getting a set of clipons as well... I have a spare set of Woodcrafts in the shed.. although they may be too big of a diameter... I would rather have gotten the Vortex ones myself, but the woodcraft that Rick got me weren't too bad... Also, Mike Frye(??) of Superbike Accessories has them at an awesome price: $135 delivered!! www.sbaccess.com he's got great prices on lots of stuff and free shipping... (I'm not sponsored by him or anything.. just like him and his business) Also, I have about 20 sprockets, about half of which are new, between 41 and 47 teeth... they were for a 93-97 GSXR-11 which tells me they will most likely also fit a 93-05 GSXR 750... not sure what the setup is on the SV's, but we can measure bolt patterns if you're interested... I'm sure I could be talked out of them at a much cheaper than new rate :) I also have some miscellaneous parts for said gixers in the shed.. I don't have one, so I wouldn't mind seeing them go! some clutch parts, stock rearsets, linkage rods, 3 pistons (no idea where the 4th went :)), an ignition advancer still in plastic wrap (fits RF900s and 93-95 GSXR750, 93-97 GSXR1100, and a fwe others I believe)... If anyone's interested, let me know... just taking up valuable shelf space! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 3 22:05:21 1999 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:05:04 EST Subject: Sunday ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Due to the nice weather this weekend I've decided to have an informal ride this Sunday around the Winchester, VA and surrounding area of W.VA. Meet at 10:00 am at the McDonald's at the intersection of Rt. 50 and 340 (VA)...from the DC area continue west on Rt. 50 past Middleburg..it is about 8-10 miles east of Winchester on the right. Length to be determined by group and weather (approx. 120-160 mi). Have 4 interested so far so it's a go...let me know if you have any questions.. Steve Broadstreet SBave@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 4 05:50:18 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Re: passing SV's, was Head Count For Racers Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 05:49:46 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: Re: passing SV's, was Head Count For Racers > > Is this where we SV racers (OK, want-to-be SV racers) chime in about wake > > up, your dreaming or something to that extent? :) > > Danny > > Don't let those words come back to haunt you. 8^P > Sounds like we're gonna have a fun racing season in the lightweight class. > > Jon (In best innocent tone...)I don't know what your talking about? What words? Haunt? I never said anything....:) If racing is half as fun as I think it will be, it will definately be a fun season! Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 4 07:41:20 1999 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:40:43 EST Subject: Kawasaki Zephyr 500 for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: frank@XXXXXX Thought you folks might be interested in this: Frank Gwozdz in Crofton, MD, is selling his 1990 Kawasaki Zephyr - 550. It has about 25,000 miles, maintained well and looks good. He can be contacted at: frank@XXXXXX Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 4 19:54:17 1999 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 19:52:21 -0800 From: JEM Broga Subject: VIR To: DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone have any info on VIR? Check out this aerial view http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.asp?S=12&T=1&X=300&Y=4727&Z=17&W=2- it is of the whole track, which can be run as a big track, but has now been broken down to offer a North or South track option, see http://www.virclub.com/files/newmap.htm. Can you imagine running the whole track? Just look at that straight! (170+ for Hvywieghts?) I'm wondering if anyone on list knows how track will be run. Jonathan From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 4 20:20:10 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 20:19:52 EST Subject: Re: VIR To: jbroga@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX There's an open house next weekend (12/11 and 12) that a bunch of people from the FZR400 list are planning on going to... you get to walk the track, check the place out,etc. It should be a pretty cool place. A couple guys made the first open house, and say it looks like it will be a great place to race. I'm probably going to go... my company X-mas party is on the eve of the 11th, so I'll be heading down on Sun the 12th. Also, Keith Code is holding his California Superbike School there in May. Myself, Brad, and possibly a couple other people are planning on going - great school, and we'll get to learn the track before WERA runs it in Jul and Aug ::grin:: - Brian In a message dated 12/4/99 7:58:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbroga@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone have any info on VIR? Check out this aerial view > http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.asp?S=12&T=1&X=300&Y=4727&Z=17&W=2- > it is of the whole track, which can be run as a big track, but has now been > broken down to offer a North or South track option, see > http://www.virclub.com/files/newmap.htm. Can you imagine running the whole > track? Just look at that straight! (170+ for Hvywieghts?) I'm wondering if > anyone on list knows how track will be run. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 5 05:15:11 1999 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 05:14:33 EST Subject: Where to rent??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Anybody know where I rent a bike for Sunday. Had I ride planned, but picked up a screw in the rear tire and can"t get a replacement til Tuesday. Bob From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 5 11:27:42 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Kaw getting scarce locally Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:27:08 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Is this news? (I've missed a few posts recently.) I was told by a Coleman's manager today that they and Cycle Sports are no longer Kawasaki dealers, apparently fallout from the recent changes in ownership to structures not in line with Kaw's policies. He said C'n no longer can get Kaw parts or deal with Kaw officially (warranties, etc.). He referred to Manassas Honda and Cycles USA. Kind of a shock. I figured Kaw would be with C'n 'til global warming seared the paint. (This just in. Someone else said Honda is likewise no longer at C'n.] Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 5 12:07:13 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "mobacc" , "Dc Cycles" Subject: RE: Kaw getting scarce locally Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:54:50 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Perhaps Kawasaki doesn't like Coleman any more than the rest of us? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 5 15:30:02 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 15:27:56 -0500 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VIR Bryan et al, I'm signed up for CSS Level One at VIR on May 19th (Friday). Looking forward to a great learning experience from Obi-Keith Code-obi! :^) Another friend of mine is also signed up for Level One and another friend is doing Level Two. Chuck '93 GSXR 750 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Also, Keith Code is holding his California Superbike School there in May. > Myself, Brad, and possibly a couple other people are planning on going - > great school, and we'll get to learn the track before WERA runs it in Jul and > Aug ::grin:: -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 5 16:21:26 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 16:19:47 -0800 From: JEM Broga Subject: Re: Kaw getting scarce locally To: Dc Cycles X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Nothing I would love more than to see Coleman reduced to Puch mopeds. Except maybe seeing its sales managers homeless and begging on the streets. Jonathan > Perhaps Kawasaki doesn't like Coleman any more than the rest of us? From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 5 18:02:58 1999 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:02:16 EST Subject: Re: Kaw getting scarce locally To: mobacc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 12/5/99 11:31:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > Is this news? (I've missed a few posts recently.) Its news to me. > I was told by a Coleman's manager today that they and Cycle Sports are no > longer Kawasaki dealers, What a shame. > (This just in. Someone else said Honda is likewise no longer at C'n.] But they still have Whizzers! I went by the Falls church store on Friday and they had new Kawasakis on display (Hondas too I think). Selling out the remaining stock at low prices? Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 5 22:51:02 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:49:11 -0800 From: JEM Broga Subject: VIR - North Course in 2000 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 On the WERA BBS Sean wrote back and let me know that they will run the North Course in 00, perhaps both in 01. For those who haven't been there yet the WERA BSS is pretty useful for racers with questions. Sean Clarke seems to respond to people pretty quick. Jonathan From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 5 23:45:59 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: RE: Kaw getting scarce locally Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:45:23 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 >-George Howell said: >Perhaps Kawasaki doesn't like Coleman any more than the rest of us? ---------- The word I got from the C'n manager was that K.. doesn't like chain dealerships, which apparently the new owners of both C'n and Cycle Sport are. Hmmm. >Fred Grefe said: >But they still have Whizzers! >I went by the Falls church store on Friday and they had new Kawasakis on >display (Hondas too I think). Selling out the remaining stock at low >prices? My bet. But if someone runs across conflicting relationship info, would love to see it. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> changing shopping centers (health, basics, accessories) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 6 02:06:22 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:05:45 EST Subject: Re: VIR To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm going to call tomorrow and sign up for level two and three over both days... Looks like we should have a good group going down! Also ... looks like I'm taking both my race bikes down with me as a friend from work wants to take level one. He's 99% sure he's only going for the first day, so if someone else was interesting in taking a class on the second day, my US FZR400 will be available (if you promise not to hurt her!) - Brian In a message dated 12/5/99 3:34:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > I'm signed up for CSS Level One at VIR on May 19th (Friday). Looking > forward to a great learning experience from Obi-Keith Code-obi! :^) > Another friend of mine is also signed up for Level One and another > friend is doing Level Two. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 6 09:55:20 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 09:52:23 -0500 Subject: RE: Kaw getting scarce locally To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL I believe I heard about this a little while ago in reference to Cycle Sport. It doesn't suprise me that the same is happening to Coleman, given Kawasaki's apparent reasoning. It seems a bit strange to me that Kawasaki would do this (limit themselves to one-off dealerships). It's probably supposed to be a shot in the arm to local Mom & Pop dealers, but it seems like instead they're shooting themselves in the foot in terms of sales. The big chain dealers do the lion's share of the business, evidenced by the fact that they were prosperous enough to become chains in the first place. Given their large number of new and highly-updated (and hideous, IMO*) bikes for 2000, it seems doubly dangerous to big K's future sales. I hadn't heard anything about Honda doing the same thing, FWIW. On the other hand, like many of us here on the list, I'm certainly happy to hear that Coleman is suffering to some degree. Perhaps this will make them a little more humble. I suspect, though, that it will cause them to price-gouge and cheat their customers to an even greater degree to make up for their losses. This doesn't bother me too much, since it might alienate even more potential Coleman customers and I don't shop there much anyway. Good riddance, I say. BTW, what on earth's a "whizzer"? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: Dc Cycles cc: From: mobacc The word I got from the C'n manager was that K.. doesn't like chain dealerships, which apparently the new owners of both C'n and Cycle Sport are. Hmmm. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 6 10:07:00 1999 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kaw getting scarce locally Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:06:19 -0800 >BTW, what on earth's a "whizzer"? Oooh - you ARE a youngster. Basically a production motorized bicycle - late '40s to late '50s. Belt drive to rear wheel (V belt, that is) Had an old one briefly when I was in High School Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 6 10:12:54 1999 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:12:20 EST Subject: Re: Kaw getting scarce and Whizzers To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 12/6/99 10:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX writes: > BTW, what on earth's a "whizzer"? I might have spelled it wrong, but its a modern version of what looks like a 100 year old motorized bicycle. They have one on the showroom floor and a sign on the door advertising that they sell Whizzers. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 6 11:38:25 1999 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Kaw getting scarce locally Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:37:43 -0500 Organization: NCEA My guess is that the chain dealers are probably trying to negotiate better pricing from Kawasaki corporate and the company is basically telling them where they can stick their price book :0 . The same thing has been happening big time in the automotive dealership industry over the last couple of years as most of the independent dealers are getting bought up by chains who are squeezing the manufacturers for lower prices exclusive to their dealership group. I too, was told by the sales manager at Cycle Sport in Herndon that they will no longer carry Kawasaki. I am not sure about Coleman's and Honda as they were taking deposits on RC-51's a few days ago when I was there. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "I am having an out of money experience." -----Original Message----- From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 9:52 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kaw getting scarce locally I believe I heard about this a little while ago in reference to Cycle Sport. It doesn't suprise me that the same is happening to Coleman, given snip From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 6 13:34:44 1999 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:36:39 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: Kaw getting scarce locally As far as Coleman's dropping (or getting dropped by) Kawasaki, I say good deal. It's not like I trusted them to touch my bike anymore, anyway. Good riddance. I can always mail order parts. And Manassas Honda/Kawi seems to be ok. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 6 16:02:51 1999 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 16:03:31 -0500 From: "Robb N. Wong" Organization: Small Business Assistance Group, LLC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Kimpex Grip heaters. Mike: I am a VFR list lurker and am waiting to purchase a VFR800 (just remodeled my house - basement, kitchen and upstairs....many many VFRs worth!). Came across your posting and thought I'd offer my 2 cents. Kimpex Grip Heaters are cheap cheap cheap and they work very well. Maybe not as well as Widders, but for a typical commute in the DC area they are fine (I live in Rockville). I have these installed on my Suzuki VX800 (34,000+ miles). For the price you can't beat them. I got mine last year from Al's Snowmobile at 802-334-7239. Including overnight shipping they're less than $30. Takes about an hour to install and very little current draw. They also allow you to keep wearing your favorite gloves. I wear Bates Deerskin gloves and with the heated grips I can ride numbless at 30 degrees (ambient air temp)for several hours no problem. Usually it's my body or my legs that get cold before my hands. Sorry to horn in. Robb Robb@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 6 18:54:00 1999 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:53:11 EST Subject: Here's the story on Coleman, Cyclesport, Kawasaki, & Honda To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I went by Manassas Honda/Kawasaki this evening and talked to the older salesman who sits just inside the door. This is what he says happened: Coleman's of Falls Church lost Kawasaki. Coleman's of Woodbridge lost BOTH Kawasaki and Honda. Cyclesport lost Kawasaki. Some franchise rule regarding one owner of multiple dealerships. This didn't previously apply to Coleman's because the Falls Chuch store was owned by Coleman and the Woodbridge store by his daughter. The new owners never checked with Kawasaki and Honda to make sure that they still qualified under the franchise rules. He didn't know the whole story with regard to Cyclesport. He also believes that Mr. Coleman may buy back the Falls Church location. This is from Winding Roads Motorcycle Times: "Interesting happenings at northern Virginia's Cycle Sport Unlimited. Last spring the two stores were acquired by a publicly owned company, V-Twin Acquisitions (VTWN on the New York Stock Exchange). Since Kawasaki Motor Corporation wants its dealerships to be privately held, the two sides' lawyers are now doing their thing to determine whether Cycle Sport will continue displaying Kawasakis next to their Suzukis, Triumphs, and Yamahas... Oh yeah, and that's the other interesting happening: Cycle Sport recently added Polaris and Moto Guzzi to their showroom lineup." >From what the guy at Manassas said it sounds like Kawasaki's lawyers won that battle. There's also a note in the magazine that JT Motorsports of Frederick, MD is opening a Yamaha dealership this month in Leesburg at 9A Fort Evans Rd SE 703 779-9940 Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 6 19:24:47 1999 From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Work Needed done Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:23:54 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone know of any place around the Rosslyn area to get my bike winterized?? I need to get it tuned up, and have my oil changed, my chain tightened and the regular BS I don't want to do myself. Also, I want to get my bike painted black anyone have any local folks who do a good job?? I want to leave it over the winter to get done. Thanks for any info, Ryan From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 6 19:41:35 1999 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:44:38 -0500 From: Matthew Harrell To: desc@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Work Needed done : Anyone know of any place around the Rosslyn area to get my : bike winterized?? I need to get it tuned up, and have my oil : changed, my chain tightened and the regular BS I don't want : to do myself. Also, I want to get my bike painted black anyone : have any local folks who do a good job?? I want to leave it over : the winter to get done. Rosslyn - you might try CycleSport in Herndon. Manassas Honda where I am is a little far out for you but the flier for them says they have a winterization special for $49.95 plus oil and filter. Tune ups and other things run at 15% off and 10% off. I'm not sure if you need this flier for the specials or not but you can always drop by and borrow mine as long as you return it. Painting - don't know. -- Matthew Harrell Nondeterminism means never Bit Twiddlers, Inc. having to say you are wrong. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 6 23:18:26 1999 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:14:19 -0500 (EST) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kaw getting scarce locally First, a whizzer is a moped of sorts. Second, I doubt Kawasaki worries a whole lot about motorcycles in the States. After all, selling one super tanker makes a hell of a lot more money than a few ZX9R's. -George ghowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 7 06:56:12 1999 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 06:47:02 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: George Howell CC: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kaw getting scarce locally Yes, Kawasaki Heavy Industries builds a buncha non-moto stuff. Warplanes during WWII. Yamaha is diversified also - pianos, guitars, outboards, etc... Not to mention Kawi & Yami PWCs (Personal Water Crafts). The Japs are forceful bizz folks. In a former life I was a general sales manager at a marina and we sold Yamaha outboards. Factory squib shows and and TELLS us what we ar going to buy. Must keep one outboard of every model in stock. ??? What use did we have with a 225 HP? The Bass boys had allready set a 150 HP tourney limit to hold down the liability and accidents. (Rdenecks fueled by beer doing close to 100 MPH in a squirrely bass boat) Then he sez we have do the same with generators! Oh yeah, sign this - an order for 50 PWCs! Within weeks Yamaha outboards lost more'n half thier dealerships. Inland marinas that served reserviors with an HP limit were triple screwed and bailed out. Well, at least we didn't have to wear Yamaha uniforms and meet up in the AM for Factory required exercises and chant loyalty pledges. Bill George Howell wrote: > First, a whizzer is a moped of sorts. > > Second, I doubt Kawasaki worries a whole lot about motorcycles in the > States. After all, selling one super tanker makes a hell of a lot more > money than a few ZX9R's. > > -George > ghowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 7 08:24:17 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'horkster@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kaw getting scarce locally Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:23:42 -0500 Yeah but you trusted them enough to buy how many bikes from them??? I wouldn't have even bought one! Glenn -----Original Message----- >As far as Coleman's dropping (or getting dropped by) >Kawasaki, I say good deal. It's not like I trusted >them to touch my bike anymore, anyway. Good riddance. >I can always mail order parts. And Manassas Honda/Kawi >seems to be ok. >Horkster From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 7 12:13:30 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:12:38 EST Subject: Re: Work Needed done To: desc@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 12/6/99 7:46:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, mharrell@XXXXXX writes: > Rosslyn - you might try CycleSport in Herndon. Or CycleSport in Springfield, which is WAY closer. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 7 16:36:00 1999 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "Chris Weaver" Subject: Bad news Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:34:14 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I e-mailed Natalie at Cal. Superbike about the May 18,19 VIR race school. This was her response.... "Dear Danny, No, I am sorry both school days are full. Thank you, Natalie" MAJOR BUMMER!!! :(:(:( > Subject: Re: Registration Form Results > > > Is there an opening for the 18th of May? If so, could I make a reservation > for that date? > > Thank you, '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 7 20:19:56 1999 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 20:19:23 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kaw getting scarce locally Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > > Yeah but you trusted them enough to buy how many bikes from them??? Two. The second one was a fluke. I stopped by there first, figuring I'd be walking out shaking my head. :) It turned out I ended up working a pretty good deal for Nehi. But you should have seen me pointing out all the things they screwed up in the prep. Missing fairing bolts, missing battery hold down tray, missing toolkit, air scoops on backwards, etc. Good thing I knew what to look for. I kept them there an hour or so after closing that day getting it right. The bike hasn't been back there since. :) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - BugSlayer II - BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) - GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 7 21:39:49 1999 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:42:43 -0500 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Work Needed done : In a message dated 12/6/99 7:46:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, : mharrell@XXXXXX writes: :> Rosslyn - you might try CycleSport in Herndon. : Or CycleSport in Springfield, which is WAY closer. You're right. I was thinking Reston and not Rosslyn. Big difference... -- Matthew Harrell Smile, it's the second best thing Bit Twiddlers, Inc. you can do with your lips mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 8 06:43:21 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kaw getting scarce locally Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 06:43:18 -0500 That's two more then I would have bought from them. I understand getting a good deal an all but their business practices are so bad that I only go there when a part is needed IMEADITATLY. When I bought the VFR I didn't even consider them after my last bad attempt to buy a used bike from them back in the late 80's. At least in your case bikes are mostly assembled from the factory so it doesn't sound like they could screw up much else! Glenn -----Original Message----- >Two. The second one was a fluke. I stopped by there first, >figuring I'd be walking out shaking my head. :) It turned out >I ended up working a pretty good deal for Nehi. >But you should have seen me pointing out all the things they >screwed up in the prep. Missing fairing bolts, missing battery >hold down tray, missing toolkit, air scoops on backwards, etc. >Good thing I knew what to look for. I kept them there an hour or so after >closing that day getting it right. The bike hasn't been back there since. :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 8 07:46:55 1999 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 07:38:27 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles noon ride Yesterday me'n Charlie, my harley bud (not a dc lister), `got up for lunch' (OSE - Official Southern Expression) with Nelson. We went for a ride in the underground food court. Nice twisties while weaving our trays thru the mob, and *nice* scenery. Do babes really have to dress that neat for work? Or is it still Stud-Muffin Season? Anyway, with chow on the tray and sweet thangs whirling around us, we talked about BIKES! What else. Nelson, being young and tough, rides his his into Crystal City from Gainseville every day. Charlie never rides his H-D Dyna in, but at age 62 he racked up well over 20K this year on a pair coast to coast rides on a naked bike. Windshield? I don't no frigging windshield! A busy summer kept me away from the LD tours but I managed to collect another 8K on the bagger this year. The dc-cycles mini-lunch ride was fun! Anyone else around Crystal City? Maybe next time we can all get up. Oh my god - a motorsickle gang! Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 8 09:05:20 1999 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 09:01:18 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Kaw getting scarce locally To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "'Dale Horstman'" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal The only brand new bike I bought, a CB750, was from Coleman. As some of you know, I used to sell motorcycles so I was prepared for all the BS involved. With my wad of CA$H I walked in and walked away with exactly the price I was willing to pay. I was in and out almost IMEADITATLY :) If I ever buy a new bike again, I will go to a mom&pop shop first. I've never felt comfortable at CPS. T > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM [mailto:Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 6:43 AM > To: 'Dale Horstman' > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Kaw getting scarce locally > > > That's two more then I would have bought from them. I understand > getting a > good deal an all but their business practices are so bad that I only go > there when a part is needed IMEADITATLY. When I bought the VFR I didn't > even consider them after my last bad attempt to buy a used bike from them > back in the late 80's. At least in your case bikes are mostly assembled > from the factory so it doesn't sound like they could screw up much else! > > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > > >Two. The second one was a fluke. I stopped by there first, > >figuring I'd be walking out shaking my head. :) It turned out > >I ended up working a pretty good deal for Nehi. > > >But you should have seen me pointing out all the things they > >screwed up in the prep. Missing fairing bolts, missing battery > >hold down tray, missing toolkit, air scoops on backwards, etc. > > >Good thing I knew what to look for. I kept them there an hour > or so after > >closing that day getting it right. The bike hasn't been back > there since. > :) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 8 10:58:11 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00203 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14696 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 1999 15:58:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19991208155803.14695.qmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 07:58:03 PST Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 07:58:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Motorcycle Toy Run To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's time for my annual plug: Cycle Sport will be having their 5th Annual MoTOYcycle Run this Saturday, December 11th. Please bring unwrapped gifts only. They will ride from both locations to the Salvation Army at 1025 F. Street NW DC. Leaving Cycle Sport Herndon at 10:30 am Leaving Cycle Sport Springfield at 11:30 am The past several years, News Channnel 4 has been there (at least at the Springfield location) to cover the event. They are always very thrilled to see us at the Salvation Army. In the past we have received a tour of their toy distribution facility, and coffee and donuts to warm us on the trip home. If you have questions, you can call: Rick Hughes (Springfield Store) Jon Booth (Herndon Store) Cycle Sport Herndon 632 Grand Street Herndon, VA 20170 703-471-6990 Cycle Sport Springfield 6603 Backlick Road Spingfield, VA 22150 703-451-9330 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 9 01:17:31 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14804 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 01:17:29 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.0.c5e27e05 (3897) for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 01:16:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.c5e27e05.2580a357@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 01:16:55 EST Subject: Fwd: 94' RS 125 Honda FOR SALE To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_0.c5e27e05.2580a357_boundary" X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 --part1_0.c5e27e05.2580a357_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since many people are looking at racing next year... this is forwarded from the race list. - Brian --part1_0.c5e27e05.2580a357_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (rly-zc04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.4]) by air-zc02.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Dec 1999 11:05:52 -0500 Received: from moto.micapeak.com (moto.micapeak.com [207.53.128.12]) by rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Dec 1999 11:05:31 -0500 Received: from moto.micapeak.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moto.micapeak.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA17922; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:02:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:02:26 -0800 Message-Id: <0.999022f7.257e8962@aol.com> Errors-To: race-owner@XXXXXX Reply-To: BADBOYRR@XXXXXX Originator: race@XXXXXX Sender: race@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk From: BADBOYRR@XXXXXX To: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Subject: 94' RS 125 Honda FOR SALE X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_0.999022f7.257e8962_boundary" --part1_0.999022f7.257e8962_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Posting for my room mate, you can either contact me or tha owner Todd at RS125RR@XXXXXX I know this bike to be in very good condition with many upgrades, new parts and extras. The bike has been in the top three in every race entered as well as winning overall in the last CCS Midwest GP/Singles event of this past season at Black Hawk. Located near Madison WI and priced to sell! If any of you multi-listers out there would be good enough to post this to the 125 list, or any other applicable list, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks and sorry for the SPAM Don Allen 94' RS 125 Honda Marvic wheels with Michelin slicks, Full floating rotor, Brembo brake caliper, 96' tail section, spare wheels HRC with rotors and rains mounted. New crank kit still in the box including rod, piston, bearing and all gaskets and seals. Many, many race spares also included. All gearing, chains, pistons, brake pads, jets, new clutch with springs and much more go with it. Bike comes with two stands, all manuals and some race notes. This bike is very competitive and fun to race. Asking price: $2950.00 O.B.O Todd Milanowski 608-877-0847 evenings CST RS125RR@XXXXXX --part1_0.999022f7.257e8962_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: RS125RR@XXXXXX From: RS125RR@XXXXXX Full-name: RS125RR Message-ID: <0.497a51f2.257de1fd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:07:25 EST Subject: rs list To: BADBOYRR@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 94' RS 125 Honda Marvic wheels with Michelin slicks, Full floating rotor, Brembo brake caliper, 96' tail section, spare wheels HRC with rotors and rains mounted. New crank kit still in the box including rod, piston, bearing and all gaskets and seals. Many race spares also included all gearing, chains, pistons, brake pads, jets, new clutch with springs and much more. Bike also comes with two stands and all manuals with some race notes, bike very competitive and fun to race. Asking price: $2950.00 O.B.O --part1_0.999022f7.257e8962_boundary-- --part1_0.c5e27e05.2580a357_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 9 07:40:40 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21800 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA17881 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:38:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003001bf4242$a62e7340$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Fw: SV racebike for sale Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:40:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 11:29 PM Subject: SV racebike for sale > I am selling my racebike. It has re-valved forks, braided lines, TL-S race > upper fairing, > clip-ons, rear-sets, 916 tail section and seat pad, Two-brothers full high > system with a Micron carbon canister. Jetted and dynoed at 71HP at the rear. > $4500 firm. > Reed Herman MN > > To unsubscribe: SV650-request@XXXXXX > with: unsubscribe - in message body > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 9 09:26:00 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24102 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:25:58 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip113.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip113.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.113]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA26732 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 06:25:55 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: polished rims Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 17:26:15 GMT Message-ID: <384fe44e.681227481@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yesterday was a slow day on the list huh :) well in case I forgot to post, my brake problem was due to a bent plunger and maybe a partially siezed? rear brake mastercylinder. ( I think I posted about it) and anyway I'm ordering one from a place called motorcycle madness for $40.00.=20 So anyway.. the spray paint job seems to be holding up better than I thought it would, I guess it needed more time to cure being laquer based.=20 Anyway so now i've got a black bike with green wheels, but my riding suit is black and red.. so now i'm trying to find a way to get the green off the lips of my rims atleast.. I'm hoping I don't even have to remove the wheels :) I have heard that there is some type of chemical/polish that will remove the factory paint. Is it plausible that I can just put this stuff on my wheel on the bike and pull the paint off the wheel, yet it wouldn't harm the tire? Or would I just have to be careful? or is the word of mouth wrong?=20 I figure if I can just get the green off the rim portion of the wheel, heck I can leave the hub and spokes green, to represent team green kawasaki :) hehe. Oh and my bike would always be available to me :) Daniel zx6r/ex250 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 9 09:33:24 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24249 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:33:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14843 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:33:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:33:14 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: polished rims In-Reply-To: <384fe44e.681227481@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I have heard that there is some type of chemical/polish that will > remove the factory paint. Is it plausible that I can just put this > stuff on my wheel on the bike and pull the paint off the wheel, yet it > wouldn't harm the tire? Or would I just have to be careful? or is the > word of mouth wrong? I wouldn't put paint removal chemicals on your tires. The stuff I've used (Aircraft Coating Remover - will actually remove entire aircraft if left on there long enough) will make your tires disappear... :) Do it right and pull the wheels and remove the tires. Or, stop worrying about such sissy stuff altogether... ;) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 9 09:47:01 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24490 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00421 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:45:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007501bf4254$4c56b460$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <384fe44e.681227481@mail.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: polished rims Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:47:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I heard on another list that chemical removal of paint can cause the metal (aluminum?) to degrade and become brittle. I don't know this, just what I heard.Can anyone confirm this? Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 12:26 PM Subject: polished rims Yesterday was a slow day on the list huh :) well in case I forgot to post, my brake problem was due to a bent plunger and maybe a partially siezed? rear brake mastercylinder. ( I think I posted about it) and anyway I'm ordering one from a place called motorcycle madness for $40.00. So anyway.. the spray paint job seems to be holding up better than I thought it would, I guess it needed more time to cure being laquer based. Anyway so now i've got a black bike with green wheels, but my riding suit is black and red.. so now i'm trying to find a way to get the green off the lips of my rims atleast.. I'm hoping I don't even have to remove the wheels :) I have heard that there is some type of chemical/polish that will remove the factory paint. Is it plausible that I can just put this stuff on my wheel on the bike and pull the paint off the wheel, yet it wouldn't harm the tire? Or would I just have to be careful? or is the word of mouth wrong? I figure if I can just get the green off the rim portion of the wheel, heck I can leave the hub and spokes green, to represent team green kawasaki :) hehe. Oh and my bike would always be available to me :) Daniel zx6r/ex250 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 9 10:28:11 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25131 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:28:10 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip113.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip113.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.113]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA29116; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:27:55 -0800 (PST) To: Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: polished rims Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:28:12 GMT Message-ID: <3850f1d8.684693710@mail.earthlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wouldn't put it (or any chemical) on my tires either :) =20 I knew it was too good to be true.. maybe if I apply it very lightly to the lip portion.. or apply it to the inner rim portion and just sand the outter lip portion. Or I could wait till I need new tires and do it.. and I have a spare front rim anyway, I could do that one first. That reminds me, anyone know of a place that straightens rims out a little faster than ye old wheel shop? I heard they take atleast 4 weeks. (backlog) hmm I wonder if a straightened wheel would be discolored and unpolishable? I need to just send that sucker off and get it straightened and maybe just paint it black or something. Thanks :) Daniel On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:33:14 -0500 (EST), you wrote: |>I wouldn't put paint removal chemicals on your tires. The stuff I've = used |>(Aircraft Coating Remover - will actually remove entire aircraft if = left |>on there long enough) will make your tires disappear... :) Do it right = and |>pull the wheels and remove the tires. Or, stop worrying about such = sissy |>stuff altogether... ;) |> |>Kirk |>2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) |>1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 9 10:54:31 1999 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25585 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-07.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.71]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20607; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:54:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <384FFB3A.BD21A423@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:55:54 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: polished rims References: <384fe44e.681227481@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel, As an alternative, you might want to think about just putting rimstripe tape on your wheels to cover up the green. Go to http://www.tapeworks.com and click on "rimstripes". They come in both neon and "stealth" colors. Gotta be cheaper/easier than trying to remove paint or polish rims. Don't even have to take your wheels off to do it! Chuck daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yesterday was a slow day on the list huh :) > > well in case I forgot to post, my brake problem was due to a bent > plunger and maybe a partially siezed? rear brake mastercylinder. ( I > think I posted about it) and anyway I'm ordering one from a place > called motorcycle madness for $40.00. > > So anyway.. the spray paint job seems to be holding up better than I > thought it would, I guess it needed more time to cure being laquer > based. > > Anyway so now i've got a black bike with green wheels, but my riding > suit is black and red.. so now i'm trying to find a way to get the > green off the lips of my rims atleast.. I'm hoping I don't even have > to remove the wheels :) > > I have heard that there is some type of chemical/polish that will > remove the factory paint. Is it plausible that I can just put this > stuff on my wheel on the bike and pull the paint off the wheel, yet it > wouldn't harm the tire? Or would I just have to be careful? or is the > word of mouth wrong? > > I figure if I can just get the green off the rim portion of the wheel, > heck I can leave the hub and spokes green, to represent team green > kawasaki :) hehe. Oh and my bike would always be available to me :) > > Daniel > zx6r/ex250 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 9 21:39:44 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06366 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:39:43 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip113.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip113.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.113]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA12878 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:39:40 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: url needed of the biker who hit a deer Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 05:39:38 GMT Message-ID: <3850913d.725505685@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone have the url to the webpage where a rider who usually carries a camera has a couple of his biking stories.. one was that he totaled a bike going through a country curve thinking he was going to go through a puddle and then it turned out to be lots of oil and he wrecked, and his other story was that he hit a deer, he saw it, and didnt' think he could avoid it, so he aimed for the dead center mass and gunned it and ended up wrapping the deer around his bike and pulling over.=20 And since he always carried a camera, he had pics of both. I'd like to show the story/web page to a friend. I figure someone here must have it, I think that's how I found out about it ; ) I don't know why I don't have it bookmarked : | Thanks :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 10 09:55:08 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19417 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:54:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Fun Propaganda Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:54:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain For those with Brother-in-laws http://www.narma.org/euro/safety/poster1.htm Carl in Bethesda (apologizing in advance if this has already been posted) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 10 10:24:51 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19891 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41714) id <0FMJ00H016PBIY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:22:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41714) with ESMTP id <0FMJ00CCY6PB0C@XXXXXX>; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:22:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA19753; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:17:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991210152222.ISJC91@toddnt>; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:22:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:19:15 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Fun Propaganda In-reply-to: To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" Message-id: <000301bf4321$eb74b7e0$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal That is hillarious! > -----Original Message----- > From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 9:54 AM > To: 'DCCy' > Subject: Fun Propaganda > > > For those with Brother-in-laws > http://www.narma.org/euro/safety/poster1.htm > > Carl in Bethesda (apologizing in advance if this has already been posted) > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 10 13:21:31 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22919 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A4A276901B0; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:21:22 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:21:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fun Propaganda Message-Id: <19991210132174.SM00265@piglet.toward.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] >> http://www.narma.org/euro/safety/poster1.htm Well, if that doesn't get the message across, nothing will! :-) -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <-- FOR SALE -- http://www.toward.com/BMW.html '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 10 17:40:25 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27225 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04042 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:44:11 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D1251@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: relay mania for you Maxim/Seca folks Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:44:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain http://pweb.netcom.com/~peisenb1/xjrelay/xjrelay.htm From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 12 09:37:16 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07930 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:37:14 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id v.0.536b6225 (2618); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:36:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.536b6225.25850ced@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:36:29 EST Subject: **BTMC's 1999 FINAL ACTIVITIES** To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Wishn4him@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, nobr8nr@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX, rwgrim@XXXXXX CC: Speedmade@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 We're closing out the year in biker style... Well, minus a tattoo & obscene piercing I'm still going! My bike remains in Hagerstown until it thaws, so no laughing! But I am a bit sad that I've missed a few beautiful days :o( Will make that up soon enough! Hope to see you before the end of '99. If I don't see you before the New Year, please work, play and ride safely into Y2K, lbb TUESDAY, DECEMBER 14 RAMADA INN -- 6:30 p.m. Rts. 295 & 100W ALL YOU CAN EAT KING CRAB LEGS UNDER $20/PERSON LIVE BAND * * * * * * Win has invited us to his favorite wing place for $.10 wing night. We're hooking up at 6:30 and staying until the wings are gone. Since my bike is in Hagerstown :o( I'll be in my car... THURSDAY, DECEMBER 30 THE EMERALD TAVERN -- 6:30 p.m. 8300 Harford Road, 410-661-2299 Beltway to exit 31 South on Harford, aka Rt 147 South Its no more than about a mile inside the beltway on the right hand side going south on Harford Rd toward Balto City The Tavern is on the corner of Harford Rd and Emerald Rds * * * * * * DEEP CREEK BTMC DISCOUNT Fran "Cricket" has offered a discount to BTMC riders for her place in Deep Creek. If interested in learning more about Cricket's place or the cost, please contact her directly at fbowles@XXXXXX * * * * * * SPORTS BIKES FOR SALE GAWTHROP@XXXXXX HAD INFO ON A BIKE FOR SALE, BUT I ACCIDENTALLY DELETED HIS NOTE. PLEASE CONTACT HIM DIRECTLY FOR THE DETAILS BIKE 1 -- '94 RS 125 HONDA Marvic wheels with Michelin slicks, Full floating rotor, Brembo brake caliper, 96' tail section, spare wheels HRC with rotors and rains mounted. New crank kit still in the box including rod, piston, bearing and all gaskets and seals. Many, many race spares also included. All gearing, chains, pistons, brake pads, jets, new clutch with springs and much more go with it. Bike comes with two stands, all manuals and some race notes. This bike is very competitive and fun to race. Asking price: $2950.00 O.B.O Todd Milanowski 608-877-0847 evenings CST RS125RR@XXXXXX BIKE 2 -- SV Racebike From: Speedmade@XXXXXX Subject: SV racebike for sale I am selling my racebike. It has re-valved forks, braided lines, TL-S race upper fairing, clip-ons, rear-sets, 916 tail section and seat pad, Two-brothers full high system with a Micron carbon canister. Jetted and dynoed at 71HP at the rear. $4500 firm. Reed Herman MN From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 12 19:29:18 1999 Return-Path: frank@XXXXXX Received: from wgserv.ccconline.net (www.ccconline.net [209.125.245.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA20139 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:29:17 -0500 (EST) X-ROUTED: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:34:20 -0500 Received: from ccconline.net [209.125.113.183] by wgserv.ccconline.net with smtp id 13573084 ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:33:48 -0500 Message-ID: <38543BFF.2E526D4C@ccconline.net> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:21:20 -0500 From: frank gwozdz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to subscribe to your newletter. thanks, frank gwozdz From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 12 19:55:20 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA20522 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29307 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 1999 00:55:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19991213005517.29306.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:55:16 PST Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:55:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Race bikes for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii With regard to the RS125 for sale at the end of lilbikrbabe's email, I've met the guy and his pit partner and they both are pretty good guys. I would expect the bike to be everything it's advertised to be... and that was a pretty sweet price! If by chance anyone is interested in buying it, I'd be happy to haul it back to the DC area since I'm within several hours driving of the bike... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 12 23:49:34 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24040 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:49:32 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip8.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip8.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.8]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27318 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:49:28 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: crashing does suck :) but everything is okay Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 07:43:29 GMT Message-ID: <38559a11.989949403@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well the front end of hte zx6r washed out but relatively, all is well. injury:=20 to me - minor soreness =20 (right upper thigh bone bruise, left thumb felt jammed, and i had a 3 second headache)=20 to tez - none (both wearing full leather) Bike damage:=20 95% cosmetic mine - fairing and pipe scraped, slight fork misalignment. tez - fairing and pipe scraped cause of accident: loss of front wheel traction due to road surface in an exit ramp curve. Oil buildup (not an oil spot) in center/middle lane position that I attemped to cross over trying to go from the right lane position to left lane position because I was approaching the bike in front of mine. Front wheel just lost traction and down the bike and I went, quickly. No braking was involved, and I don't think I rolled off the throttle either.. This is as far as my perspective in my accident, tez was the guy behind me, who I just met today. what a way to get to know someone huh? He was just telling us today "yeah i've owned 6 bikes and never went down" what a jinx huh :) I kind of wish he had a greater following distance in case of such a thing happening, but I felt bad that my accident caused his. Anyway he was pretty cool about it, and we will just let the insurance companies handle everything, and are still new found friends and will ride together again. We were riding in a group of four. Me, Tez, a short young lady on a tall F2, and my friend named Tony. All day I was playing trail man with the young lady riding in front of me. I gave her PLENTY of space when we were riding so she could know we were riding at our own pace, and not have to try to keep up when the 2 front guys tez and tony who wanted to have a little fun on some curves. That's because she mentioned she was a relatively new rider, since sept and isnt' all that confident on curves. But when we got to that 295 north to 50 west exit ramp, Tez was in the back and I was third. And I didn't have that huge following distance that I had before. Tony and the young lady (shawn) went into the turn at wise speeds. I went into the turn at a legal speed, but I was going faster than the rider in front of me, and decided i wanted to switch to the outter lane position so I wouldn't come up on her bike and have a need to apply brakes. So when i attempted to cross over that middle lane position where the road is slick, the front end washed out. No breaking was involved, as I thought I didn't need to, and I just attempted to move to a better position, and instantly I was down. I should have had a greater following distance and I should have entered the turn slower. If I had done either of those I wouldn't have had to switch lane positions. Even though the road was slick, I should have been riding more conservatively, it's not like I knew that exit ramp all that well.=20 on the good side, no parts were broken and the damage was cosmetic scratches. I'm sure glad I didn't spend $200+ on a paint job :) So now I'll do a little more spray painting :) I feel like i have a race bike now :) And Tez and I are going to let the insurance companies deal with his bike, and we will ride together again. He lives in VA so I'll let him know about this group, as that's where most of the rides in the list take place.=20 Oh and after my first front brake dumping accident, I always made sure I took curves turns as if I hated my brakes and wouldn't touch them. I would lean a little harder because I know like leon says "you may not think it but the bike can lean more", and I didn't apply brakes as I didn't think I needed to.. but anyway what happened, happened, and I think I'm a better rider now who will ride safer. Fortunately I already have experience with straightening forks twisted in the tripple clamps :) The weather was pretty nice out today too, for the most part :) And I know I could have straighted up and braked, but i didn't feel there was a need to slow down, rather than change lane positions. Oops :) Well anyway thought i'd post my crash report. :) I know this was a learnng experience for me :) Daniel=20 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 11:11:39 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06292 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [171.210.247.106] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA01916 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:07:05 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:11:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Looking for a small trailer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello All, I am wondering if anyone has a lead on a light-duty trailer. I am working on buying a dirtbike, and I need a way to move it around behind the old volvo. Hopefully, it would hold 2 dirtbikes, but no need for any more capacity than that. My price range is pretty minimal because I will build one myself if I can't buy one for similiar cost- I am thinking around a few hundred dollars here. I am also open to fixing trailers that have seen better days- I have just gotten my welder and so forth down here, so I can make just about anything work. Thanks In Advance, Ned From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 11:45:34 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06947 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11xYbA-0004p2-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:45:20 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:45:19 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Elbow sliders Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://members.home.net/vfrboy/vfr/elbowonfloor.jpg ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 13:10:16 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (web120.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08393 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24616 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 1999 17:43:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19991213174356.24614.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.8.1] by web120.yahoomail.com; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:43:56 PST Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:43:56 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Moto wisdom To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The following are thoughts as quoted from "Sit Down, Shut Up & Hang On, A Biker's Guide to Life, by Penny Powers and Chuck Hays. Only Bikers understand why dogs love to stick their heads out car windows. You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze. Midnight Bugs taste Best Saddlebags can never hold everything you want, but they CAN hold everything you will ever need. Never try to race an old Geezer, he may have one more gear than you. Home is where your bike sits still long enough to leave a few drops of oil on the ground. You'll get farther down the road if you learn to use more than two fingers on the front brake. Routine maintenance should never be neglected. It takes more love to share the saddle than it does to share the bed. The only good view of a thunderstorm is in your rearview mirror. Never be afraid to slow down. Only Bikers understand why dogs love to stick their heads out car windows. Bikes don't leak oil, they mark their territory. Never ask a biker for directions if you're in a hurry to get there. Don't ride so late into the night that you sleep through the sunrise. Pie and Coffee are as important as gasoline. Sometimes it takes a whole tankful of gas before you can think straight. If you want to get a job, you may have to compromise your principals. You may even have to shave. Riding faster than everyone else only guarantees you'll ride alone. Never hesitate to ride past the last street light at the edge of town. Never mistake Horsepower for staying power. A good rider has balance, judgment, and good timing. So does a good lover. A cold hamburger can be reheated quite nicely by strapping it to an exhaust pipe and riding forty miles. Never do less then Forty miles before breakfast. If you don't ride in the rain-you don't ride. A bike on the road is worth 2 in the shop. Respect the person who has seen the Dark side of motorcycling and lived. Young riders pick a destination and go... Old riders pick a direction and go. A good wrench will let you watch without charging you for it. Sometimes the fastest way to get there is to stop for the night. Always back your scoot into the curb-and sit where you can see it. Work to ride-Ride to work. Whatever it is, it's better in the wind. Two lane blacktop isn't a highway-it's an attitude. When you look down the road, it seems to never end-but you better believe it does. A biker can smell a party 5,000 miles away. Winter is Natures way of telling you to polish. A motorcycle can't sing on the streets of a city. Keep your bike in good repair: motorcycle boots are NOT comfortable for walking. People are like Motorcycles: each is customized a bit differently. If the bike ain't braking properly, you don't start by rebuilding the engine. Remember to pay as much attention to your partner as you do your carburetor. Sometimes the best communication happens when you're on separate bikes. Well-trained reflexes are quicker than luck. Good coffee should be indistinguishable from 50 weight motor oil. The best alarm clock is sunshine on Chrome. Learn to do counterintuitive things that may someday save your butt. The twisties - not the superslabs - separate the bikers from the squids. When you're riding lead--don't spit. If you really want to know what's going on, watch what's happening at least 5 cars ahead. Don't make a reputation you'll have to live down or run away from later. If the person in the next lane at the stoplight rolls up the window and locks the door, support their view of life by snarling at them. A friend is someone who'll get out of bed at 2am to drive his pickup to the middle of nowhere to get you when you're broken down. If she changes her oil more than she changes her mind--follow her. Catchin' a June bug @ 70 mph can double your vocabulary. If you want to get somewhere before sundown, you can't stop at every tavern. There's something ugly about a NEW bike on a trailer. Hunger can make even roadkill taste good. You gotta be smart enough to understand the rules of motorcycling, and dumb enough to think the games important. Don't lead the pack if you don't know where you're goin'. Sleep with one arm thru the spokes and keep your pants on. Practice wrenching on your own bike. Everyone crashes. Some get back on. Some don't. Some can't. Beware the biker who says the bike never breaks down. Some bikes run on 99-octane ego. Owning 2 bikes is useful because at least one can be raided for parts at any given time. You'll know she loves you if she offers to let you ride her bike. Don't do it and she'll love you even more. Don't argue with an 18-wheeler. Never be ashamed to unlearn an old habit. Maintenance is as much art as it is science. A good long ride can clear your mind, restore your faith, and use up a lot of gasoline. If the countryside seems boring, stop, get off your bike, and go sit in the ditch long enough to appreciate what was here before the asphalt came. If you can't get it goin' with bungee cords and electricians tape-it's serious. If you ride like there's no tomorrow-there won't be. Bikes parked out front means good chicken-fried steak inside. If you want to complain about the pace being set by the road captain, you better be prepared to lead the group yourself. Gray-haired bikers don't get that way from pure luck. There are drunk bikers. There are old bikers. There are NO old, drunk bikers. Thin leather looks good in the bar, but it won't save you from "road rash" if you go down. The best modifications cannot be seen from the outside. Always replace the cheapest parts first. No matter what marque you ride, it's all the same wind. It takes both pistons and cylinders to make a bike run. One is not more important than the other. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 13:27:17 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08765 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14542 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 1999 17:52:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19991213175216.14541.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:52:16 PST Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:52:16 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: crashing does suck :) but everything is okay To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry to hear about your accident, glad you weren't hurt, glad it's only minor damage to the bike. > lean a little harder because I know like leon > says "you may not > think it but the bike can lean more", :-( it appears that there may be a couple of exceptions to this rule. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 13:57:52 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09356 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:57:51 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id o.0.efdec824 (4228); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:55:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.efdec824.25869b36@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:55:50 EST Subject: Re: Looking for a small trailer To: nsuesse@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Home Depot sells a 4 x 8 utility trailer for $399 that would prob fit the bill for what you're looking to do. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 15:30:42 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10974 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:30:40 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA18972; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:30:45 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmawi4247; Mon, 13 Dec 99 15:03:23 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FMP0004V21MCV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256846.006AC4CE ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:26:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:27:34 -0500 Subject: Brake Caliper Cleaning Process? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256846.006AF50B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Since the list is pretty slow lately, I thought I'd pose a question that's been nagging at me. What is the proper procedure for cleaning the brake calipers on a bike? What are the dos and don'ts of this process? My calipers are extremely dirty, and I suspect it's causing some problems I've encountered lately with the front brakes. It's possible that one or more of the pistons is seizing intermittently and I want to eliminate that possibility by giving them a thorough cleaning. My problem, for those who are curious, is a rapid pulsing under moderate to hard braking. I know, your first thought is "make sure the rotors aren't warped, dummy", but I don't think that's the problem. I've already swapped out one suspect rotor whose carrier had suffered some damage from my disc lock - this did not fix the pulsing. The other rotor has no apparent damage or warpage, though I know it's possible I wouldn't be able to see it. I'm currently seeking a replacement for that one in case it's the source of the pulsing. In the meantime, I figured I should eliminate filthy calipers as a possible cause. Also, does anyone have any ingenious solutions for raising the front of the bike without the aid of roof rafters or a front end stand? Thanks for any enlightening information. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 15:40:41 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11077 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id MAA05901 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:40:36 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:40:36 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Brake Caliper Cleaning Process? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:40:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Also, does anyone have any ingenious solutions for raising the front of the >bike without the aid of roof rafters or a front end stand? Ayuh, put her up on the centah stand and put some weight on the pillion seat until the front rises. Michael J. What's that you say - NO CENTER STAND?!?!?!? Write the manufacturer a nasty letter. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 16:47:02 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12249 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41714) id <0FMP00I018DZPH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:44:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41714) with ESMTP id <0FMP00DF38DYY0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:44:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA19100 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:44:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991213214415.JVCJ692@toddnt> for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:44:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:41:03 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Brake Caliper Cleaning Process? In-reply-to: <85256846.006AF50B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001901bf45b2$c11afd90$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 2:28 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Brake Caliper Cleaning Process? > > > Since the list is pretty slow lately, I thought I'd pose a question that's > been nagging at me. > > What is the proper procedure for cleaning the brake calipers on a bike? > What are the dos and don'ts of this process? My calipers are extremely > dirty, and I suspect it's causing some problems I've encountered lately > with the front brakes. It's possible that one or more of the pistons is > seizing intermittently and I want to eliminate that possibility by giving > them a thorough cleaning. Possible, but not likely. You haven't had the bike that long Chris. Butt, to answer your questions, remove the calipers away from all painted services. Remove the pads and springs. Get out your trusty little tooth brush and some clean break fluid. Crank down on your lever to extend the pistons, but DON'T overdo it or they'll come popping out and you will have a mess. You're gonna have one anway :) Get some of those nifty latex gloves and start scrubbing with the fluid. Get 'em clean as possible and wipe everything down good. Push the pistons back in and rebuild everything. > > My problem, for those who are curious, is a rapid pulsing under > moderate to > hard braking. I know, your first thought is "make sure the rotors aren't > warped, dummy", but I don't think that's the problem. I've already swapped > out one suspect rotor whose carrier had suffered some damage from my disc > lock - this did not fix the pulsing. The other rotor has no > apparent damage > or warpage, though I know it's possible I wouldn't be able to see it. I'm > currently seeking a replacement for that one in case it's the > source of the > pulsing. In the meantime, I figured I should eliminate filthy > calipers as a > possible cause. After you're done cleaning things up, get the rotors turned on a run-out. Make *sure* they aren't warped (which is what it sounds like they are) > > Also, does anyone have any ingenious solutions for raising the > front of the > bike without the aid of roof rafters or a front end stand? I use a floor jack under the motor. CAn be done with just a side-stand, but not advisable. Would help if you have a center-stand. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 17:38:47 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout1-ext.email.verio.net [129.250.36.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13103 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net ([129.250.38.64]) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with ESMTP id FMP9FV00.5TQ for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:07:07 +0000 Received: from curley.ravinc.com ([168.143.30.5]) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with ESMTP id FMP85M00.TOR; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:39:22 +0000 Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 13 Dec 1999 16:33:01 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Raising Bike Front End (Was Brake Caliper Cleaning Process?) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:44:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Chris Wrote: Also, does anyone have any ingenious solutions for raising the front of the bike without the aid of roof rafters or a front end stand? I saw Steve Harris (maybe he will chime in) at the track use a pipe and two jack stands. He raised the rear of the bike, stuck a pipe somewhere and lifted the bike. He then put both ends of the pipe onto some jack stands so the front end was up. Essentially the pipe was between the jack stands and under some part of the bike. He was checking alignment on the TLR at the time. Maybe he can shed some light as to where the pipe went, but seems like a good way to have the front end completely free. It also seemed to be a 2-man job hoisting the bike up onto the stands. I have used a rear stand and a floor jack under the motor before. It was pretty unstable though. That bike also had center stand mounting brackets that happened to fit right into my floor jack. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 17:51:58 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13363 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-8.patriot.net [209.249.180.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA27805; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:51:45 -0500 Message-ID: <38557680.AE6F1775@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:43:12 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Caliper Cleaning Process? References: <001901bf45b2$c11afd90$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Easing the pistons out as Toddd suggests sounds mighty risky. I'd check the rotors first. Possible prob - rotor warp while hot, which is damn hard to catch. I've had one or two do that over the many years. No prob until the rotor heats and then *pulse-o-city* If you're near Annandale I have a bike lift. Mandatory garage equipment for us Hawg riders. Bill > > -----Original Message----- > > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > > [mailto:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 2:28 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Brake Caliper Cleaning Process? > > > . From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 18:50:09 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14435 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:50:07 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id v.0.b8f1b447 (4235); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:49:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b8f1b447.2586e00b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:49:31 EST Subject: **Fellow BTMC Rider Looking For Son's Gift** To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Wishn4him@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, nobr8nr@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX, rwgrim@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_0.b8f1b447.2586e00b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 --part1_0.b8f1b447.2586e00b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IF YOU PLAN TO ATTEND THE RAMADA FEAST TOMORROW, ASK FOR THE BTMC GROUP OR LILBIKRBABE'S TABLE... SAME THING FOR THE EMERALD TAVERN, THURSDAY, 12/30... Special request by fellow rider: If you can help Karen out, I'm sure she'd appreciate it! Thanks all and See you either Tuesday, 12/14 or Thursday, 12/30. lbb From: klowens@XXXXXX (Karen Owens) PLEASE CONTACT KAREN DIRECTLY Hi- I haven't made any rides with you yet (schedule conflicts etc) but I will. In the meantime I appreciate the emails. I'm looking for a dirtbike/minibike for my 10 year old son. I was going to buy brand new...the Yamaha 80 seems a good size, but before I do new I wondered if you know anyone with a used bike in good condition. thanks. Have a Blessed Holiday Karen Owens klowens@XXXXXX >> --part1_0.b8f1b447.2586e00b_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:17:13 1900 Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207-172-4-60.in-addr.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:17:00 -0500 Received: from 209-122-205-48.s48.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.205.48] helo=cbgwl9252771) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11xZ5n-0007Xo-00 for LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:16:59 -0500 From: "Karen Owens" To: Subject: Re: **BTMC's 1999 FINAL ACTIVITIES** Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:19:25 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Hi- I haven't made any rides with you yet (schedule conflicts etc) but I will. In the meantime I appreciate the emails. I'm looking for a dirtbike/minibike for my 10 year old son. I was going to buy brand new...the Yamaha 80 seems a good size, but before I do new I wondered if you know anyone with a used bike in good condition. thanks. Have a Blessed Holiday Karen Owens klowens@XXXXXX ---------- > From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX > To: Spike574@XXXXXX; ZX6RKAW@XXXXXX; Gcfnb@XXXXXX; JMille5592@XXXXXX; BOOKEMinDC@XXXXXX; Carolbiker@XXXXXX; MOTOCYCLER@XXXXXX; true@XXXXXX; BBtintop@XXXXXX; ERICARCHER@XXXXXX; KAT88888@XXXXXX; LBKIII@XXXXXX; HarleyDew@XXXXXX; Wizzette32@XXXXXX; Hdavbabe@XXXXXX; JTEE007@XXXXXX; peter@XXXXXX; leggo@XXXXXX; Tommyd42@XXXXXX; EODyna@XXXXXX; GUFEAR@XXXXXX; LaceWheels@XXXXXX; Ruffinmug@XXXXXX; pgerhardt@XXXXXX; Chuckbiker@XXXXXX; Onebil2mny@XXXXXX; Dadnhisboy@XXXXXX; chydro@XXXXXX; jim.disney@XXXXXX; RBeemanP@XXXXXX; paulnovy@XXXXXX; Postman53@XXXXXX; Geeshaw@XXXXXX; EZRyder421@XXXXXX; Ladytaz47@XXXXXX; Ndmny@XXXXXX; gen.patton@XXXXXX; BOBSFATBOY@XXXXXX; L80BOSS@XXXXXX; SWAMPHAGG@XXXXXX; Amemom@XXXXXX; klowens@XXXXXX; SMITHCAR69@XXXXXX; Bob.Patchett@XXXXXX; Lisadeserv@XXXXXX; MURMUR1@XXXXXX > Subject: **BTMC's 1999 FINAL ACTIVITIES** > Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 9:37 AM > > We're closing out the year in biker style... Well, minus a tattoo & obscene > piercing I'm still going! My bike remains in Hagerstown until it thaws, so no > laughing! But I am a bit sad that I've missed a few beautiful days :o( > Will make that up soon enough! Hope to see you before the end of '99. > If I don't see you before the New Year, please work, play and ride safely > into Y2K, lbb > > TUESDAY, DECEMBER 14 > RAMADA INN -- 6:30 p.m. > Rts. 295 & 100W > ALL YOU CAN EAT KING CRAB LEGS > UNDER $20/PERSON > LIVE BAND > * * * * * * > Win has invited us to his favorite wing place for $.10 wing night. We're > hooking up at 6:30 and staying until the wings are gone. Since my bike is in > Hagerstown :o( I'll be in my car... > THURSDAY, DECEMBER 30 > THE EMERALD TAVERN -- 6:30 p.m. > 8300 Harford Road, 410-661-2299 > Beltway to exit 31 South on Harford, aka Rt 147 South > Its no more than about a mile inside the beltway on the right hand side > going south on Harford Rd toward Balto City > The Tavern is on the corner of Harford Rd and Emerald Rds > * * * * * * > DEEP CREEK BTMC DISCOUNT > Fran "Cricket" has offered a discount to BTMC riders for her place in Deep > Creek. If interested in learning more about Cricket's place or the cost, > please contact her directly at fbowles@XXXXXX > * * * * * * > SPORTS BIKES FOR SALE > GAWTHROP@XXXXXX HAD INFO ON A BIKE FOR SALE, BUT I ACCIDENTALLY DELETED HIS > NOTE. PLEASE CONTACT HIM DIRECTLY FOR THE DETAILS > > BIKE 1 -- '94 RS 125 HONDA > Marvic wheels with Michelin slicks, Full floating rotor, Brembo brake > caliper, 96' tail section, spare wheels HRC with rotors and rains mounted. > New crank kit still in the box including rod, piston, bearing and all gaskets > and seals. Many, many race spares also included. All gearing, chains, > pistons, brake pads, jets, new clutch with springs and much more go with it. > Bike comes with two stands, all manuals and some race notes. This bike is > very competitive and fun to race. > Asking price: $2950.00 O.B.O > Todd Milanowski > 608-877-0847 evenings CST > RS125RR@XXXXXX > > BIKE 2 -- SV Racebike > From: Speedmade@XXXXXX > Subject: SV racebike for sale > I am selling my racebike. It has re-valved forks, braided lines, TL-S race > upper fairing, clip-ons, rear-sets, 916 tail section and seat pad, > Two-brothers full high system with a Micron carbon canister. 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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF45A8.9A2C9AE0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 21:00:50 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16628 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:00:49 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 9.0.cacfdc7c (4558); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:59:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.cacfdc7c.2586fe93@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:59:47 EST Subject: Re: subscribe To: frank@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Newletter? When did we become a NEWSLETTER? Scooter In a message dated 12/12/1999 7:34:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, frank@XXXXXX writes: << I would like to subscribe to your newletter. thanks, frank gwozdz >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 22:26:18 1999 Return-Path: robert@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17832 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:26:17 -0500 (EST) From: robert@XXXXXX Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQhtmr29879 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:24:05 GMT Message-ID: <3855B993.B9717E2A@otaku.org> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:29:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: My Motorcycle STOLEN! (REWARD BEING OFFERED) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My yellow 1999 CBR600F4 was stolen from the parking lot of my apartment complex in Centreville, VA (Northern Virginia, DC metro area) on Thursday or Friday of last week (12/9 - 12/10). Unfortunately I didn't notice it until Saturday because it was parked away from my apartment. 1999 Honda CBR600F4X Color: Yellow Virginia Tag # 163171 VIN# JH2PC3502XM006649 Picture of this model: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/mcphotos/600f4-6.jpg Stock bike, no modifications. Large crack on the left side of the rear fender, near the signal light (glued back together with epoxy.) I allowed the triple clamp to get scratched up by my keychain, so the paint/powdercoat is scratched there. I don't want the bike back because there's no telling what's shape it will be in, but I will pay a $500 reward for any information leading to the arrest and conviction of the thieves who stole it. If anyone has any tips for me (information to provide, organizations to report it to, etc.) please let me know. Robert From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 23:21:18 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA18762 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (216-164-138-199.s199.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.138.199]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07903; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:20:37 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991213231622.020ee180@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:18:18 -0500 To: robert@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: My Motorcycle STOLEN! (REWARD BEING OFFERED) Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <3855B993.B9717E2A@otaku.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:29 PM 12/13/1999 , robert@XXXXXX wrote: >My yellow 1999 CBR600F4 was stolen from the parking lot of my apartment >complex in Centreville, VA (Northern Virginia, DC metro area) on >Thursday or Friday of last week (12/9 - 12/10). Unfortunately I didn't >notice it until Saturday because it was parked away from my apartment. > >1999 Honda CBR600F4X >Color: Yellow >Virginia Tag # 163171 >VIN# JH2PC3502XM006649 I'm sure we will all keep an eye out. I live in Centreville as well....hope it is not a ring of thieves! Was it chained or disc locked? Also - the VA tag you gave must be wrong...MC tags only support 5 letters (or so I was told by the DMV) Hope it comes back to you in one piece, or at least the insurance at full retail value. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 23:41:20 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mailrelay1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA19007 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:41:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8015 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1999 04:44:27 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 1999 04:44:27 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA32330; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:41:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:41:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199912140441.XAA32330@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Stick a Fork in 'em.... Hey folks, Found this link about Excelsior-Henderson on Moto Online. Looks like they've just about had it. Anyone hit the Powerball the other day? You could own your own moto company. Cheap. http://www.startribune.com/stOnLine/cgi-bin/article?thisSlug=BIGX12&date=12-Dec-1999&word=excelsior (BTW,if this link doesn't work,just hit the Star Tribune and do a search on 'Excelsior') The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 13 23:46:58 1999 Return-Path: robert@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19152 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:46:56 -0500 (EST) From: robert@XXXXXX Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQhtmw23822; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 04:44:44 GMT Message-ID: <3855CC7A.851719B0@otaku.org> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:50:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike T CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: My Motorcycle STOLEN! (REWARD BEING OFFERED) References: <4.2.0.58.19991213231622.020ee180@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike T wrote: > >Virginia Tag # 163171 > >VIN# JH2PC3502XM006649 > > I'm sure we will all keep an eye out. I live in Centreville as > well....hope it is not a ring of thieves! Was it chained or disc locked? It was just disc locked unfortunately. It was covered and I'm betting that someone in my apartment complex knows the people who stole it. > Also - the VA tag you gave must be wrong...MC tags only support 5 letters > (or so I was told by the DMV) Perhaps thats for personalized plates? I know it was 6 and my registration says 163171. In any case the plate is probably gone since the thieves are prob not dumb enough to leave it on the bike. > Hope it comes back to you in one piece, or at least the insurance at full > retail value. Thanks. At this point I'm hoping for full retail coverage :) not betting on getting it back and not sure if I want it back after it's been manhandled. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 07:17:21 1999 Return-Path: fj1100@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27033 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FMQ007QHCRS7H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:16:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:20:22 -0500 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: My Motorcycle STOLEN! (REWARD BEING OFFERED) In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19991213231622.020ee180@mail.troutman.org> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001301bf462d$97bd4720$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) I have a combo of 6 on my plates, 1BADTL and 1BADFJ. Seven for cars, Six for bikes is what I was told by DMV. Really sorry about your stolen bike. At least it wasn't in the middle of Summer! If your only mode of transportation, and fully covered, Insurance should be providing you with some kind of loaner. I for one would be interested in how the Insurance Co. handles this for you and what Co. it is. How long before they pay off on a Stolen vehicle? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike T [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 11:18 PM > To: robert@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: My Motorcycle STOLEN! (REWARD BEING OFFERED) > > > At 10:29 PM 12/13/1999 , robert@XXXXXX wrote: > > >My yellow 1999 CBR600F4 was stolen from the parking lot of my apartment > >complex in Centreville, VA (Northern Virginia, DC metro area) on > >Thursday or Friday of last week (12/9 - 12/10). Unfortunately I didn't > >notice it until Saturday because it was parked away from my apartment. > > > >1999 Honda CBR600F4X > >Color: Yellow > >Virginia Tag # 163171 > >VIN# JH2PC3502XM006649 > > I'm sure we will all keep an eye out. I live in Centreville as > well....hope it is not a ring of thieves! Was it chained or disc locked? > Also - the VA tag you gave must be wrong...MC tags only support 5 letters > (or so I was told by the DMV) > > Hope it comes back to you in one piece, or at least the insurance at full > retail value. > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 09:14:15 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29307 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (user83.anent.com [208.195.115.83]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA15528 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:15:31 -0500 Message-ID: <004a01bf463d$a3219660$5373c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <4.2.0.58.19991213231622.020ee180@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: My Motorcycle STOLEN! (REWARD BEING OFFERED) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:14:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Six letters on my personalized plate. Bruce '98 VFR800 'Tronix' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike T" > Also - the VA tag you gave must be wrong...MC tags only support 5 letters > (or so I was told by the DMV) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 09:52:59 1999 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com (e22.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.228]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00407 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:52:58 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA33456 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:41:03 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id JAA25592 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:52:55 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256847.0051BDD2 ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:52:50 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256847.0051BA81.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:52:38 -0500 Subject: The Dark Side Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline This guy is scary. http://www.sgc.edu/alumni/Br_Kevin_feature.htm Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 10:05:03 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00662 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id AC9A1910234; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:04:58 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 99 10:04:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Dark Side Message-Id: <199912141004505.SM00124@piglet.toward.com> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX >This guy is scary. > >http://www.sgc.edu/alumni/Br_Kevin_feature.htm Neat! I think the good Brother sounds like a real interesting person. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 12:18:17 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com (e24.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.230]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02758 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:18:16 -0500 (EST) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e24.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12922 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:07:00 -0600 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id MAA39984 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:18:12 -0500 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256847.005F0B0D ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:18:07 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256847.005F0A68.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:18:03 -0500 Subject: The Dark Side Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sounds like a fun person. Richard Crishock wrote: >>This guy is scary. >>http://www.sgc.edu/alumni/Br_Kevin_feature.htm Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 12:31:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03008 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:31:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:31:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199912141231.AA50397742@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Road Rage comments X-Mailer: Let's see what ol' Dr. Gridlock makes of this one! ********************************************************* Dear Dr. Gridlock, I'm writing in response to your Road Rage article, December 13, 1999. As the victim of road rage provocateurs, I'd like to comment. First, the December 13 letter by the enraged driver told of a driver who cut off two cars and a truck. The three drivers of these vehicles somehow managed to avoid wrecking. Why did the driver cut off these vehicles? The stated reason was she 'didn't see' two cars and a truck. There are only three reasons for this: 1. The driver has a physical disability that prevents her from seeing objects the sizes of cars and trucks. 2. The driver did not competently check if the road was clear before pulling out. 3. The driver saw oncoming traffic but assumed the other drivers would avoid her to avoid wrecking. I was a victim of this third class of driver just this afternoon. As I was traveling in the left lane of I-66 in Arlington, a driver started moving into me. I sounded my horns and braked, and the driver moved back into the right lane. As I attempted to continue down the road, the driver then moved back into my lane just inches in front of me, ignoring my 130 decibel horns, as I braked to avoid the wreck. I think this driver knew exactly what he/she was doing, and correctly figured I would brake to avoid a wreck, and was able to do so. How about some attention to these Road Rage Provocateurs? How about some roving officers in civilian vehicles with videotape - it shouldn't take long to catch one of these dangerous drivers in the act. Let's see how the Provocateur explains this one to a judge! sincerely, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 14:03:41 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04456 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:03:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:04:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199912141404.AA30147084@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: subscribe X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:59:47 EST >Newletter? When did we become a NEWSLETTER? > What, people actually post real news here? It could have fooled me! :) Horkster From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 14:15:30 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04716 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:15:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:16:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199912141416.AA27984348@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Mike T CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: My Motorcycle STOLEN! (REWARD BEING OFFERED) X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mike T Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:18:18 -0500 >Also - the VA tag you gave must be wrong...MC tags only support 5 letters >(or so I was told by the DMV) There are 6 letters on my personalized VA motorcycle plate. Guess you talked to the slow guy at the DMV. (Aren't they all?) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 14:22:12 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04820 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from administrator (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA01527 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:20:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01bf4668$91863ca0$5207a8c0@administrator> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: steering dampener Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:22:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I need to get one for racing to be legal. Any suggestions? Anyone have a used one for sale? I got this message back off one list, can anyone tell me anything about the unit? Will it fit my SV? Is the price right? >"I have an almost new damper that I saved off my vtr1000, the fork clamps are >the same. I was told it would not be a problem as a side mount, but haven't >tried. I'm getting a top mount from RAM so I will part with this other one >cheap. It's a Toby with 12 position adjustability new it was $380 but I'll >sell it for $150" TIA, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 15:42:51 1999 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06171 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id PAA28508; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:44:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3856AB9B.E12B5777@pti.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:42:03 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List , Fizzer Squad Subject: Did Chaparral close down? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all I have been trying for the past week to hit there site or get them to pick up the phone with no success. Have they gone out of business, and if so who am I going to get a rear tire from??? -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 15:51:00 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from web122.yahoomail.com (web122.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.57]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06319 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15958 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 1999 20:50:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19991214205048.15957.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.8.1] by web122.yahoomail.com; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:50:48 PST Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:50:48 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re: Did Chaparral close down? To: Nelson Fernandez , DC-Cycles Mailing List , Fizzer Squad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nelson, Try http://www.tiresunlimited.com/. I recently had a good experience with them(reasonable prices and quick service). My .02 worth. Herb '94 Magna --- Nelson Fernandez wrote: > Hello all > I have been trying for the past week to hit there > site or get them to pick up the phone with no > success. Have they gone out of business, and if > so who am I going to get a rear tire from??? > > -- > Nelson Fernandez > Network Administrator > Production Technology, Inc. > 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 > Arlington, VA 22202 > Phone 703.271.9055 > Fax 703.271.9059 > www. http://www.pti.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 16:06:27 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.nai.com (relay2.nai.com [161.69.3.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06576 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by relay2.nai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06042 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:05:03 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Tue Dec 14 13:10:11 1999 -0800 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:05:56 -0800 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2A0C@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Nelson Fernandez'" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Did Chaparral close down? Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:03:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What about local places like CAD, in Gaithersburg or The Dirt Shop, in College Park? I'm sure there are also local places in VA that offer good prices as well. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Nelson Fernandez [mailto:nelson@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 3:42 PM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List; Fizzer Squad Subject: Did Chaparral close down? Hello all I have been trying for the past week to hit there site or get them to pick up the phone with no success. Have they gone out of business, and if so who am I going to get a rear tire from??? -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 16:16:45 1999 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06747 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id QAA07359; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:18:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3856B38F.9D85FC8@pti.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:15:59 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List , Fizzer Squad Subject: Re: Did Chaparral close down? References: <3856AB9B.E12B5777@pti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O.K. I'm an idiot. No sooner than I make this post I realize the link I was using was bad and got to the site with another one. I decided since I was wrong with the first half I better double check and tried to get a hold of them over the phone again. I figured I had gotten at least that part right but after about twelve rings as I was just about to hang up some one answered. It seems they are swamped and are about a week behind in the warehouse. So please disregard my post and I'm sorry to have wasted your time. Nelson Nelson Fernandez wrote: > Hello all > I have been trying for the past week to hit there > site or get them to pick up the phone with no > success. Have they gone out of business, and if > so who am I going to get a rear tire from??? > > -- > Nelson Fernandez > Network Administrator > Production Technology, Inc. > 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 > Arlington, VA 22202 > Phone 703.271.9055 > Fax 703.271.9059 > www. http://www.pti.com -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 21:07:11 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA11284 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-50-250.s504.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.50.250] helo=gt350pii) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11y3pt-0000JB-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:06:38 -0500 Message-ID: <007c01bf46a0$dd1de9a0$fa32accf@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: 91 VFR 750 Parts for sale Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:05:29 -0500 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 My buddy Kevin has the following 91 VFR 750 parts for sale: 1. Red right side upper, middle and lower fairings (slightly scratched) $200 for all. 2. Right and left rear turn signals, stalks and reflectors $25.00 for all. 3. Brake pedal (new) $30.00. 4. Left side heel plate $5.00. 5. Front brake lever (slightly bent) $10.00. 6. Stock bar end (new) $5.00. 7. Stop/Tail light assembly (all 3 sections) $50.00. 8. Factory service manual $30.00. You can reach him at (H) 540-657-0536 or (P) 202-991-5118. P.S. He also has two boats to sell (really cheap). Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 14 23:03:21 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13046 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:03:20 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id p.0.362c8c85 (4402); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:02:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.362c8c85.25886cd7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:02:31 EST Subject: Re: Did Chaparral close down? To: nelson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, fizzer-squad@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 N o. As punishment, you must allow every member of DC-Cycles to ride your bike and you must write I'm sorry 10 million times on paper and forward to every member to verify authenticity. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 12/14/1999 4:30:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, nelson@XXXXXX writes: << So please disregard my post and I'm sorry to have wasted your time. Nelson >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 04:27:01 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mailrelay1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA19075 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 04:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16709 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1999 09:30:21 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1999 09:30:21 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA19714; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 04:27:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 04:27:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199912150927.EAA19714@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Cool Tunes for Motorheads Found this CD at cdnow.com. It's called 'Moteurs de Legende'. Nothing but the sweet sounds of motors being caned around tracks for all their worth. It's got several Ducs,old Brit iron,a Harley XR,a Yosh Kawi,and even an Egli Vincent. Perfect X-mas gift for those who consider twisting the throttle as making music. You could even crank it through the speakers of a 'Wing to make it sound like a real bike. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 08:48:36 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23526 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00615 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:52:37 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D125D@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Dark Side Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:52:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >This guy is scary. > >http://www.sgc.edu/alumni/Br_Kevin_feature.htm Must admit, I am rather envious, computers just have no HP. Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 10:06:36 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24960 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:06:17 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip87.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip87.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.87]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA18335 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 07:05:55 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: curves Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:09:13 GMT Message-ID: <3857d89f.35198795@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last night when I was trying to fall asleep but=20 before I actually did I was thinking about curves.. like... why did I go down in one curve, yet in another curve I can lean hard.. so I was thinking about the differences.. The sweet exit ramp (495N to 50W) is 2 lanes, and designed to be taken at higher speeds, it's longer with a wider radius. It's also clean asphalt and it's up hill.. you're weight is constantly shifted to the back even if you did roll off the throttle. I realized I was off the throttle in the 295 exit, and for two reasons. One, the pace of the bikes in front of me were slower, and two, I mistakenly thought going into a curve at a good speed would be the same as throttling through the curve. WRONG. (oops I rememebered feeling the weight shift when I rolled off the throttle for a second in the route 50 S curve). For those of you who may not be riding yet, or new to it, if you stay on the throttle the weight will stay on the (wider) rear tire. If you roll off the throttle you will feel the weight shift to your front wheel. This weight (shift) combined with centrifugal force, can overload the front wheel and the traction for it that is avaiable.=20 Especially since it's a smaller/narrower tire than the rear. (but if you smoothly accellerate through the curve, you can lean harder comfortably). =46or those of you not familiar with the exit I went down on, it's a small ramp, and the curve is down hill, and is often backed up during rush hour, so the center portion is grimey (on a tar surface road).. So anyway, all my weight was shifted to the front, so no wonder it slipped out when I went over the center portion where there was not enough traction for the weight and speed. That exit ramp is small anyway, I'll take that one slow from now on. the 495N/50W is sweet,i'll have my fun on that.. the rest of the curves i'll evaulate... slow down before the turn...slow in... enough room to accellerate through? yes? execute. No? then continue slow and steady on the throttle and smooth through the turn. Oops and I did take the safety course. oh sure NOW it's in ingrained in my brian :) nothing like an accident to correct your mistakes :) =46or those of you who haven't taken the course, I think some of the most important lessons are: 1. Slow down before the turn. 2. don't brake while leaning 3. smoothly accellerate through the curve and don't let off. (lean more if you need to) If you go against those ideas, the probability of you going down will go up :) I know from experience.. the first time I think #2 got me. The second time I didn't do #1 enough and #3 got me. (if you feel like you're going too fast for a curve, you may run out of distance to brake if you straighten up and brake, so lean harder and stay on the gas and go through the curve, i've seen someone go down like that, trying to straighten up and brake, yet the road curved so they ran out fo braking room. I've also had someone in front of me go down from braking while leaning) Anyone else have similiar stories? want to make corrections? Or expound? :) Daniel Some curves are better than others. :)=20 =20 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 15:35:55 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [208.36.117.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00493 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:35:49 -0500 (EST) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA04170 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:40:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199912152040.PAA04170@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:31:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: VA DMV Articles Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Where do people look up the DMV regulations and articles on the web when they post them to the list? I am looking for some information on the the procedures associated with mechanics/ storage liens... I saw a bike in a Tow lot and asked what they do with it if the owner never shows up... The said they can sell it, but they would give me a mechanics lien, and I could go and apply for a title with that document. I just want to check the regulations and make sure this is possible. Thanks, -John Possibly purchasing a... nah, I don't want to jinx it... From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 15:53:48 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.nai.com (relay2.nai.com [161.69.3.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00712 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by relay2.nai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14428 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Wed Dec 15 12:57:35 1999 -0800 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:53:18 -0800 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2A13@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'jnewman@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VA DMV Articles Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:51:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John, Try http://www.dmv.state.va.us/ Perry -----Original Message----- From: jnewman@XXXXXX [mailto:jnewman@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 3:32 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VA DMV Articles Where do people look up the DMV regulations and articles on the web when they post them to the list? I am looking for some information on the the procedures associated with mechanics/ storage liens... I saw a bike in a Tow lot and asked what they do with it if the owner never shows up... The said they can sell it, but they would give me a mechanics lien, and I could go and apply for a title with that document. I just want to check the regulations and make sure this is possible. Thanks, -John Possibly purchasing a... nah, I don't want to jinx it... From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 17:21:54 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02064 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:21:53 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id l.0.60c33392 (4462); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:21:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.60c33392.25896e5a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:21:14 EST Subject: Re: curves To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 if you've taken the MSF course, all you really needed to say was "slow, look, lean and roll" :D (or should it be "slow, look mean, and roll???" ;D ) Marcy In a message dated 12/15/99 10:12:50 AM, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone else have similiar stories? want to make corrections? Or expound? :) >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 17:56:04 1999 Return-Path: f4rider@XXXXXX Received: from 204.91.230.164 (mail.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.164]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02595 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from icspgcc (ICSPGCC.pg.cc.md.us [10.3.4.121]) by 204.91.230.164; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:56:16 -0500 From: "Brad Faas" To: , , Subject: RE: curves Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:51:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0.60c33392.25896e5a@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Actually, I think Daniel has analyzed this rather well. I often wish the MSF would explain the _why_ behind what they are teaching. For example, they tell you to "push left to go left, push right to go right", instead of explaining counter-steering. I guess "counter-steering" would confuse the heck outta new riders. Once I understood what countersteering was, the relationship of wheel traction/body position/throttle control, my riding enjoyment improved ten-fold, because my ability to more correctly control the motorcycle improved. I know everyone has probably heard this before, but go buy "Twist of the Wrist" (parts one and two, preferably, but part two is more street-oriented). I gained a *lot* of insights that helped improve my riding. If you don't believe me, go ask Fred or Jon or Brian LaSalle about my riding last summer versus my riding this summer. I'm no Collin Fagin by any means, but my smoothness and overall confidence have skyrocketed (enough, apparently, to throw myself out onto the racetrack...:-) ) Thanks go to Collin for recommending these books to me... Brad 99 CBR600 F4 88 FZR400 -----Original Message----- From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 5:21 PM To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: curves if you've taken the MSF course, all you really needed to say was "slow, look, lean and roll" :D (or should it be "slow, look mean, and roll???" ;D ) Marcy In a message dated 12/15/99 10:12:50 AM, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone else have similiar stories? want to make corrections? Or expound? :) >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 18:19:16 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02994 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-13.patriot.net [209.249.180.13]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA21476; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:19:07 -0500 Message-ID: <38581FE4.ADEC7D0D@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:10:28 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Faas CC: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: curves References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I attempt to explain the *why* in short form of course. One could spend a week or more on the physics of motorcycle direcion control. Rake, trail, tire patch geometry, blah blah blah. All of which is *nice* to know, but not *neccessary* to know. As for understanding - the first time one presses left and the bike goes left and they go "Damn! It works!" they understand. Bill Brad Faas wrote: > Actually, I think Daniel has analyzed this rather well. I often wish the MSF > would explain the _why_ behind what they are teaching. For example, they > tell you to "push left to go left, push right to go right", instead of > explaining counter-steering. I guess "counter-steering" would confuse the > heck outta new riders. > > Once I understood what countersteering was, the relationship of wheel > traction/body position/throttle control, my riding enjoyment improved > ten-fold, because my ability to more correctly control the motorcycle > improved. > > I know everyone has probably heard this before, but go buy "Twist of the > Wrist" (parts one and two, preferably, but part two is more > street-oriented). I gained a *lot* of insights that helped improve my > riding. If you don't believe me, go ask Fred or Jon or Brian LaSalle about > my riding last summer versus my riding this summer. I'm no Collin Fagin > by any means, but my smoothness and overall confidence have > skyrocketed (enough, apparently, to throw myself out onto the > racetrack...:-) ) Thanks go to Collin for recommending these books to me... > > Brad > 99 CBR600 F4 > 88 FZR400 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 20:06:08 1999 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04823 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:06:07 -0500 (EST) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.0.145a0e56 (3314) for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:05:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.145a0e56.258994de@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:05:34 EST Subject: slow list....time for a gun thread? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Howdy folks, Just couldn't help but notice that the list/ News letter seems kind of slow of late. So I thought I pose these two questions: 1. Ducati 996 SPS or Ducati 748R and..... 2. H&K PDW or H&k MP5SD2 I have a good reason for asking...........I'm Thinking about Class III Jeff Ozmen Duc 748 Duc 900SP Yam TZR 250 Yam YZF 600 H&K ??????? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 20:34:02 1999 Return-Path: f4rider@XXXXXX Received: from 204.91.230.164 (mail.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.164]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA05264 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from icspgcc (ICSPGCC.pg.cc.md.us [10.3.4.121]) by 204.91.230.164; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:34:35 -0500 From: "Brad Faas" To: , Subject: RE: slow list....time for a gun thread? Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:29:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0.145a0e56.258994de@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 996 SPS! It's a beauty... I saw one in person at Bately's... They had to kick me out because of the drool puddle... :-) Ummm, that and I wouldn't mind hopping on it for a few minutes... uhhh, just around the pits, yeah, that's it. :-) Having a gun might help win a few races, eh? (cowering) Brad 99 CBR600 F4 88 FZR400 -----Original Message----- From: MOTO748@XXXXXX [mailto:MOTO748@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 8:06 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: slow list....time for a gun thread? 1. Ducati 996 SPS or Ducati 748R From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 22:11:45 1999 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06748 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:11:44 -0500 (EST) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.0.35b7087c (4597) for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:11:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.35b7087c.2589b249@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:11:05 EST Subject: PDW vs. MP5SD To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 I like the MP10 but it is very difficult to suppress effectively:) Jeff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 22:36:09 1999 Return-Path: biga@XXXXXX Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07194 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dyn51.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.168.116]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id WAA21400 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:35:58 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.19991215223220.00b14c10@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:35:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: PDW vs. MP5SD In-Reply-To: <0.35b7087c.2589b249@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'd suggest the Steyr TMP. At 10:11 PM 12/15/99 , you wrote: >I like the MP10 but it is very difficult to suppress effectively:) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 23:00:29 1999 Return-Path: rosenc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07619 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-135-248.s629.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.135.248]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11yS4y-0003U5-00; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:59:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:58:10 -0500 Subject: Re: PDW vs. MP5SD From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: Andrew Culpepper , "dc-cycles" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: how 'bout a galeal, kinda big, but effective ---------------------------------- Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD George Washington University Department of Neurological Surgery ---------- >From: Andrew Culpepper >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: PDW vs. MP5SD >Date: Wed, Dec 15, 1999, 10:35 PM > > I'd suggest the Steyr TMP. > > At 10:11 PM 12/15/99 , you wrote: >>I like the MP10 but it is very difficult to suppress effectively:) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 15 23:07:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07699 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA22964 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.dsport.com (puff.dsport.com [204.245.170.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA27425 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from local (a0p8 [204.245.170.208]) by puff.dsport.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA06724 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:07:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01c101bf477b$0b3d9d00$ee29fea9@dsport.com> From: "Mike Muth" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: For Sale Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:07:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 1998 Harley Davidson FLHT, King Tour Pak, pipes, carb, black "D"rings in rockers, saddlebag/Tour-Pak/Lid guards, Luggage rack, Kuryakin Floor-Board extenders, soft lowers, two windscreens, light kit, lots of chrome, factory warranty(2 years left), garage kept and covered. 5500 miles. Call Mike 301-934-1129 after 6pm or e-mail. $15,700 firm From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 00:13:49 1999 Return-Path: robert@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08733 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:13:47 -0500 (EST) From: robert@XXXXXX Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQhtui21323 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 05:11:33 GMT Message-ID: <385875CD.6FE85AAB@otaku.org> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:17:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Update: Stolen CBR600F4 and additional stolen bikes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I talked to the police again today and they sound pretty serious about going after the bike thieves, but it may depend on getting the right tip. Turns out that there have been like 20 or so bike thefts in my area all very close to one another in terms of location and time. It's probably the same group of people and it's certainly not just my bike. Your bike could easily be next. They have been successful in busting people and the slightest piece of info could be the key. >From talking to people it sounds like a lot of these bikes end up at the racetrack in one form or another. I would especially ask anyone who hangs out at the track to be on the lookout for anything suspicous. I've included the engine number off of the engine block in case it is of any use (see below). I am more concerned about getting the thieves than getting my bike (or any parts of it) back. If you have information on any motorcycle thefts in the area and want to remain anonymous you can leave voicemail at the following number: (703) 234-3951 x1513 (Call from a payphone if you seriously want to remain anonymous because this does log caller ID information.) Also, the State of Virginia runs a program called HEAT that offers rewards up to $10,000 for tips on vehicle theft. See www.hetreward.com. To contact them with information call: 1-800-947-HEAT They claim that you can remain anonymous and still collect a reward. 1999 Honda CBR600F4X Color: Yellow Virginia Tag # 163171 VIN# JH2PC3502XM006649 ENGINE NUMBER: PC35E-2025336 Picture of this model: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/mcphotos/600f4-6.jpg Stock bike, no modifications. Large crack on the left side of the rear fender, near the signal light (glued back together with epoxy.) I allowed the triple clamp to get scratched up by my keychain, so the paint/powdercoat is scratched there. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 05:30:08 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-mailhub.techops.verio.net (dfw-mailhub.techops.verio.net [129.250.35.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA14792 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 05:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-mailhub.techops.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #6) id 11yYAe-0003eP-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:30:04 +0000 Received: from curley.ravinc.com ([168.143.30.5]) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with ESMTP id FMTX4X00.O1G; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:29:21 +0000 Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 15 Dec 1999 11:01:44 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:curves Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:13:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Read some of Keith Codes Twist of the Wrist series. Your normal panic reactions to something are usually wrong. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 05:56:35 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA15121 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 05:56:34 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id u.0.3635b5fa (4409); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 05:51:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.3635b5fa.258a1e47@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 05:51:51 EST Subject: **12/19 RIDE PLANNED** To: Wishn4him@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, nobr8nr@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX, rwgrim@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Phil Lung has become an active member of the USMVMC--assuming that means U. S. Marine Veterans MC -- Feel free to join him for what typically has been very nice rides! Thanks Phil! lbb . SATURDAY, DECEMBER 19 ??TIME?? If interested contact Phil at phil@XXXXXX Meeting at the Bagel joint behind The Amoco station at the intersection of rts.. 424 & 3 in Crofton, MD 1000 In case of rain .... coffee & bagels are STILL on! From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 06:32:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15759 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA24769 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA09510 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA1694715 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:32:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3858CDCD.333FB360@radix.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:32:29 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: slow list....time for a gun thread? References: <0.145a0e56.258994de@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 1. Ducati 996 SPS or Ducati 748R Well, I vote for the MV Agusta (sp?) but given your choices - 996. > > and..... > 2. H&K PDW or H&k MP5SD2 MP5 - proven reliability. but I have to ask, why a sub gun? If you're going to go full auto, why not get an auto rifle - I'm partial to the AK 47. accurate, reliable, concealable(relatively) & good muzzle energy. If you're going to pay the transfer tax, go whole hog. Ammo is kind of 'disposable' with the AK, but with the MP5, you could reload. Once setup, you could reload sub gun rounds for about $0.075 / round. Another consideration - both Beretta & Glock make 3 shot burst pistols, Beretta's m93 has a fold up small hand grip, 20 round clip. very cool. > I have a good reason for asking...........I'm Thinking about Class III Is your church BATF approved? Good thing your last name isn't Koresh... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 08:26:36 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17978 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) id <0FMU00O015AMRI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:25:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FMU003KA5ALUD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:25:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA21126 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:23:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991216132533.EVZK692@toddnt> for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:25:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:22:31 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Update: Stolen CBR600F4 and additional stolen bikes In-reply-to: <385875CD.6FE85AAB@otaku.org> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000001bf47c8$9b449e60$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Robert, What area are the thefts occurring? Maybe some listers here can take extra precautions. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: robert@XXXXXX [mailto:robert@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 12:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Update: Stolen CBR600F4 and additional stolen bikes > > > I talked to the police again today and they sound pretty serious about > going after the bike thieves, but it may depend on getting the right > tip. Turns out that there have been like 20 or so bike thefts in my > area all very close to one another in terms of location and time. (703) 234-3951 x1513 State of Virginia rewards up to $10,000 for tips on vehicle theft. 1-800-947-HEAT 1999 Honda CBR600F4X Color: Yellow Virginia Tag # 163171 VIN# JH2PC3502XM006649 ENGINE NUMBER: PC35E-2025336 Picture of this model: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/mcphotos/600f4-6.jpg Stock bike, no modifications. Large crack on the left side of the rear fender, near the signal light (glued back together with epoxy.) I allowed the triple clamp to get scratched up by my keychain, so the paint/powdercoat is scratched there. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 09:03:40 1999 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18723 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:03:38 -0500 (EST) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.0.3828f98e (6110) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:03:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.3828f98e.258a4b18@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:03:04 EST Subject: re:Duc vs. MV vs. MP vs. AK vs. Steyr To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I appreciate all the good feedback. The reason I've gone with the Ducs over the MV is thatDucati's have always been my first love. As much as Ilike the MV it doesn't have a V-Twin. There is still something almost sexual in the appeal of it. Now, I prefer a Sub gun not only because of cost and ease of reloading but because a lot of ranges will let you shoot it in their facility as long as it is fmj. I like all the other weapons mentioned so far but it is hard to beat the reliablity and modular adaptability of the MP family. However, I still am open to suggestions so please don't be shy. Thanks, Jeff Jeff Ozmen HK 93 HK SP89 HK M1 HK M3 HK USP Tactical Duc 748 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 09:23:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19123 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A5F519B028C; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:23:49 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 99 09:23:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: curves Message-Id: <199912160923707.SM00124@piglet.toward.com> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson >Well, I attempt to explain the *why* in short form of course. One could spend a >week or more on the physics of motorcycle direcion control. Rake, trail, tire >patch geometry, blah blah blah. All of which is *nice* to know, but not >*neccessary* to know. Agreed, but the explanation is quite simple. You push the handlebar in the 'wrong' direction (push left to go left) just to make the bike lean. In this example (push left to go left), the front wheel steers right because you pushed the left grip. The bike leans to the left because it's unbalanced. As the bike leans, the front end geometry brings the front wheel back to the left. Two easy ways to see this -- 1. Stand in front of a bike and watch it countersteer. Have a friend ride toward you, then countersteer. You'll see the front end move the 'wrong' way then the 'right' way. This is especially evident on bikes with fork-mounted headlights because you can see the light move. 2. On your own, in a parking lot - if there's a puddle and the rest of the lot is dry, ride straight through the puddle then countersteer (remember your tires are now wet so you have a little less traction). The tires' path of travel will be shown by the wet tracks - and you can see how the front wheel steered the 'wrong' way then steered the 'right' way. best, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 09:27:25 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19210 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A6B21B2028C; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:26:58 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 99 09:26:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jnewman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA DMV Articles Message-Id: <199912160926338.SM00124@piglet.toward.com> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: jnewman@XXXXXX >Where do people look up the DMV regulations and >articles on the web when they post them to the list? VA state laws are online at http://leg1.state.va.us/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 09:31:01 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19312 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:31:00 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256849.00501131 ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:34:32 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Brad Faas" cc: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256849.00500F67.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:24:30 -0500 Subject: RE: curves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline LOL, I know what you mean, Brad! I think Linda Tanner can tell I've improved, after riding behind me on one ride when I first started, or Todd Peer for that matter. ; ) "She looks so stiff on that thing!" - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Brad Faas" on 12/15/99 05:51:16 PM To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: curves If you don't believe me, go ask Fred or Jon or Brian LaSalle about my riding last summer versus my riding this summer. I'm no Collin Fagin by any means, but my smoothness and overall confidence have skyrocketed (enough, apparently, to throw myself out onto the racetrack...:-) ) Thanks go to Collin for recommending these books to me... Brad 99 CBR600 F4 88 FZR400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 10:21:43 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20161 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:21:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A37D281028C; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:21:33 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 99 10:21:34 -0500 To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Commute - Falls Church to Bethesda? Message-Id: <199912161021212.SM00124@piglet.toward.com> Hi, all. I may be doing a Falls Church City-to-Bethesda commute, and was wondering if anyone else is doing that sort of commute? I figure I'd take back road to Chain Bridge, and work my way over to Wisconsin Ave. that way. Any advice on roads and times of day for the commute? How long does your commute take you? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 10:22:55 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20171 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A3CC1730280; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:22:52 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 99 10:22:52 -0500 To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Falls Church City-to-Reston commute? Message-Id: <199912161022925.SM00124@piglet.toward.com> Hi, all. I may be doing a Falls Church City-to-Reston commute, and was wondering if anyone else is doing that sort of commute? (Yes, this is another commuting possibility for me - Falls Church to Bethesda is the other one). Any advice on roads and times of day for the commute? How long does your commute take you? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 10:55:24 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA20694 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 Dec 1999 18:48:15 UT Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:52 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING Message-ID: <19991216105458275-fb6059c@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just in case there are any bike thieves on this list... Let it be known to all that my bikes as well as any friends' bikes on my property become the sole protected property of one EXTREMELY INTRUDER AGGRESSIVE PIT BULL TERRIER named Zeus and I have no problem letting him have his way with someone trying to rip me and my friends/family off. Just a word of advice to the possible thieving bastards hanging out on the list. :-) Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 11:20:39 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21211 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from administrator (client-209-158-138-23.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.23]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA24889 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:18:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01f001bf47e1$76359520$5207a8c0@administrator> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <19991216105458275-fb6059c@fanniemaefoundation.org> Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:20:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 That's funny Tom, I was thinking similar type thoughts about my 100# overly protective German Shephard. :) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Zell To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 10:52 AM Subject: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING > Just in case there are any bike thieves on this list... > > Let it be known to all that my bikes as well as any friends' bikes on my > property become the sole protected property of one EXTREMELY INTRUDER AGGRESSIVE > PIT BULL TERRIER named Zeus and I have no problem letting him have his way with > someone trying to rip me and my friends/family off. > > Just a word of advice to the possible thieving bastards hanging out on the list. > :-) > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 11:25:17 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21238 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00311 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:25:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:25:05 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING In-Reply-To: <19991216105458275-fb6059c@fanniemaefoundation.org> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Tom Zell wrote: > Let it be known to all that my bikes as well as any friends' bikes on > my property become the sole protected property of one EXTREMELY > INTRUDER AGGRESSIVE PIT BULL TERRIER named Zeus and I have no problem > letting him have his way with someone trying to rip me and my > friends/family off. It seems a bit off to me to use your pet as protection and put the animal into a position of being hurt. A thief is not going to care about the well being of your dog and untrained security dogs (even trained) are easy to work around/injure/kill. If someone wants your bike and knows you've got a dog to "protect" it the likelihood of you losing the dog is very high. Is your motorcycle worth losing a loved one for? Check this out for more info: http://www.batw.com/netpet/articles/protection.html In other words, you should worry more about protecting the dog than the other way around. Yeah, the list is slow so... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 11:37:44 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21522 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22634 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:37:10 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991216113415.00c7a6c0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:37:08 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING In-Reply-To: <01f001bf47e1$76359520$5207a8c0@administrator> References: <19991216105458275-fb6059c@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:20 AM 12/16/99 , Danny Thompson wrote: >That's funny Tom, I was thinking similar type thoughts about my 100# overly >protective German Shephard. :) Now come on Danny. You and I both know that dog is all bark and no bite! Be careful about actually using your dogs as weapons. If you are serious - they could be destroyed - and you get sued. And Tom - you aren't helping the already vicious pit bull image! I haven't ridden in over a week. Just got back from Hawaii - and a ton of errands with big boxes is keeping me caged :-( ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 11:44:26 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21613 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from administrator (client-209-158-138-23.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.23]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA08152 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:42:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <021001bf47e4$d8655b60$5207a8c0@administrator> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:44:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hey Kirk, before you jump on me about protecting my dog also, I use him as an alarm more than anything. There is almost always someone at my house and no regular schedules, so more often than not when the dog barks someone is there to respond. :) But, he IS a good deterant for a more casual thief. I don't want you thinking any less of me about not careing about my dog, especially after selling my DR :) (which I have missed a few times). Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirk Roy To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING > On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Tom Zell wrote: > > Let it be known to all that my bikes as well as any friends' bikes on > > my property become the sole protected property of one EXTREMELY > > INTRUDER AGGRESSIVE PIT BULL TERRIER named Zeus and I have no problem > > letting him have his way with someone trying to rip me and my > > friends/family off. > > It seems a bit off to me to use your pet as protection and put the animal > into a position of being hurt. A thief is not going to care about the well > being of your dog and untrained security dogs (even trained) are easy to > work around/injure/kill. If someone wants your bike and knows you've got a > dog to "protect" it the likelihood of you losing the dog is very high. Is > your motorcycle worth losing a loved one for? > > Check this out for more info: > http://www.batw.com/netpet/articles/protection.html > > In other words, you should worry more about protecting the dog than the > other way around. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 11:44:42 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21622 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id ZA486P2R; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:40:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001901bf47e4$2fec63c0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Danny Thompson" , Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:39:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Theives on the list: Please take my VFR, which is still in peices on the garage floor. I will take the insurance money and get a new bike. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Danny Thompson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:38 AM Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING >That's funny Tom, I was thinking similar type thoughts about my 100# overly >protective German Shephard. :) > >Danny >'99 VFR >'99 SV >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tom Zell >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 10:52 AM >Subject: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING > > >> Just in case there are any bike thieves on this list... >> >> Let it be known to all that my bikes as well as any friends' bikes on my >> property become the sole protected property of one EXTREMELY INTRUDER >AGGRESSIVE >> PIT BULL TERRIER named Zeus and I have no problem letting him have his way >with >> someone trying to rip me and my friends/family off. >> >> Just a word of advice to the possible thieving bastards hanging out on the >list. >> :-) >> >> Tom >> '86 VFR750 >> >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 11:59:21 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21907 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from administrator (client-209-158-138-23.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.23]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA24260 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:05:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <021c01bf47e6$edd3e3c0$5207a8c0@administrator> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <19991216105458275-fb6059c@fanniemaefoundation.org> <4.2.0.58.19991216113415.00c7a6c0@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:59:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Shhhh, don't tell everyone! :) I bet if you were to put me in a that threatening situation, he might get a little agitated. Welcome back. So sorry you had to go to Hawaii, sounds terrible. I ride everyday. :) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING > At 11:20 AM 12/16/99 , Danny Thompson wrote: > >That's funny Tom, I was thinking similar type thoughts about my 100# overly > >protective German Shephard. :) > > Now come on Danny. You and I both know that dog is all bark and no bite! > > Be careful about actually using your dogs as weapons. If you are serious - > they could be destroyed - and you get sued. And Tom - you aren't helping > the already vicious pit bull image! > > I haven't ridden in over a week. Just got back from Hawaii - and a ton of > errands with big boxes is keeping me caged From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 12:11:49 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22131 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-149.patriot.net [209.249.180.149]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09138; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:11:41 -0500 Message-ID: <38591B46.B3EF64DB@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:03:02 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Zell CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING References: <19991216105458275-fb6059c@fanniemaefoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an attack cat. Her fav nap spot is on the leather pillion seat, and y`all must know how territorial cats are. She's so nasty the mailman does drive-by delivarys - just flips the mail out the window as he roars past the house with his St Christopher medal in hand. My insurance company made me post an "Attack Cat on Premises" sign to forestall possible lawsuits. Bill Tom Zell wrote: > Just in case there are any bike thieves on this list... > > Let it be known to all that my bikes as well as any friends' bikes on my > property become the sole protected property of one EXTREMELY INTRUDER AGGRESSIVE > PIT BULL TERRIER named Zeus and I have no problem letting him have his way with > someone trying to rip me and my friends/family off. > > Just a word of advice to the possible thieving bastards hanging out on the list. > :-) > > Tom > '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 12:24:39 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-mailhub.techops.verio.net (dfw-mailhub.techops.verio.net [129.250.35.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22425 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-mailhub.techops.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #6) id 11yedo-0002RI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:24:36 +0000 Received: from curley.ravinc.com ([168.143.30.5]) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with ESMTP id FMUGC700.2DG; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:24:07 +0000 Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 16 Dec 1999 11:48:44 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Commute - Falls Church to Bethesda? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:00:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Chris, I used to do Falls Church to Silver Spring until I moved to Silver Spring in August. I actually found it fastest to take the Beltway (my office is at Ga. and the Beltway). In the morning it would be about 20-25 minutes. Seemed like a significant portion of the morning commute was getting out of FC w/the Lee Hwy-66 mess. In the afternoon, I used all the web traffic cams to determine if I should take the beltway or Chain Bridge. Taking Chain Bridge was nice to feel like your moving all the time, but usually took longer (took me about 50 minutes that way). But the beltway could take between 35 minutes and 2 hours in the afternoon. >From Bethesda, you won't have to fight as much to get toward CB. Still, CB through arlington to FC is kinda time consuming. The big backup on the way home is where 270 dumps onto the beltway. If you just take River Rd. to the beltway, it'll probably be faster than CB. It's still backed up to 236, but at least moves and is much faster than CB. I usually bailed onto 123 and took little falls into FC because of the backup at 236/66. Fastest times are before 7:00 am and after 7:00 pm. I used to go at 8:30 am and 7 pm. I suspect I would've used CB more if I commuted earlier in the afternoon. Just do what I did, move to Bethesda :) Jay St. Peter now with sweet 15 minute commute :) have to drop kid a daycare though, so using cage :( From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 12:28:03 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA22507 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:28:02 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256849.00604606 ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:31:33 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Bill Huson cc: Tom Zell , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-ID: <85256849.006043FB.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:21:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Speaking of cats, I was reading a dog bite report about which dogs have the most severe bites. Cats came in first. Yes, cats. Zeus and Hera know very well to stay the hell away from Silver and Mooschka. LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Bill Huson on 12/16/99 12:03:02 PM To: Tom Zell cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING I have an attack cat. Her fav nap spot is on the leather pillion seat, and y`all must know how territorial cats are. She's so nasty the mailman does drive-by delivarys - just flips the mail out the window as he roars past the house with his St Christopher medal in hand. My insurance company made me post an "Attack Cat on Premises" sign to forestall possible lawsuits. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 12:44:02 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22809 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from administrator (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA09679 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:42:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <027401bf47ed$2c44f080$5207a8c0@administrator> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: wrenching on Saturday Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:44:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In case anyone is interested in joining me, I will be working on my bikes this Saturday a.m. Your welcome to bring your bike or parts and we can work on them together. I have most tools that you would need. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 13:24:45 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23518 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13575 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:28:49 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D1260@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:28:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >work around/injure/kill. If someone wants your bike and knows you've got a >dog to "protect" it the likelihood of you losing the dog is very high. Is >your motorcycle worth losing a loved one for? Puke. Animals are livestock. So have your shotgun at the ready, the scummy thief may get the dog, but if he is armed to get the dog, well you have a "weapons-free" situation anyhow. Forget the dog and the bike at that point, you have hostile armed criminals in which defending the family takes precedence over "fido." Mike '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 14:13:43 1999 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24445 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:13:42 -0500 (EST) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.0.d1550d01 (15546) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:13:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d1550d01.258a93c0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:13:04 EST Subject: re: theft protection To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I just leave the garage open and the key in all my bikes with a full tank of gas and quick detachable plates. This way no one gets hurt and all my pets get to live long happy lives. I wouldn't want to offend anybody or infringe on some criminals right to prosper at my expense. I may even leave a cookie. p.s. just ignor those 147 gr. moskitos:) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 14:43:06 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-mailhub.techops.verio.net (dfw-mailhub.techops.verio.net [129.250.35.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24948 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-mailhub.techops.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #6) id 11ygnn-0005TS-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:43:03 +0000 Received: from curley.ravinc.com ([168.143.30.5]) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with ESMTP id FMUMV100.D6S for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:45:01 +0000 Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 16 Dec 1999 13:51:00 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: RE: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:02:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal If you come to my house, steal the dogs and leave the bikes :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 14:53:49 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25117 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 Dec 1999 22:46:39 UT Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:50 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Michael Jay" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING Message-ID: <19991216145324166-10904fff@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii WTF? Guess I missed some posts because I have no idea where all this came from... e-mail was down for a while and I think we lost some things. Repost the original replies to my e-mail so that I can fight fairly here! :-) Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING Author: mjay@XXXXXX (Michael Jay) Date: 12/16/1999 1:33 PM >work around/injure/kill. If someone wants your bike and knows you've got a >dog to "protect" it the likelihood of you losing the dog is very high. Is >your motorcycle worth losing a loved one for? Puke. Animals are livestock. So have your shotgun at the ready, the scummy thief may get the dog, but if he is armed to get the dog, well you have a "weapons-free" situation anyhow. Forget the dog and the bike at that point, you have hostile armed criminals in which defending the family takes precedence over "fido." Mike '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 15:16:48 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25509 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA08605; Thu, 16 Dec 1971 15:19:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1971 15:19:25 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: handgrip heaters for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've got a couple of handgrip heaters for sale, $20/set. They take about 10 minutes to put out noticeable heat, and are not as warm as electric gloves, but are fine for this climate and have no wires to connect/disconnect/flex/break. They go inside tubular handlebars and require drilling 1 or 2 holes in the bars for the wires. Installation takes about an hour if you know what you're doing. The plastic switch is cheesy; mine broke after a year, but is easy to replace (standard size mounting hole and connectors). This is my third winter using it. --garcia 202-234-9229, 11 am--11 pm "It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them." --Beaumarchais From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 15:53:27 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26171 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06780 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:53:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:53:22 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Off road riding threatened Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Millions of acres of public lands may be closed if we don't do something about it. This not only threatens off road motorcyclists in the west (the area currently being looked at for closures) but PUBLIC access to PUBLIC lands throughout the country in the future (give them an inch...). The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) now has a "click-and-send" prewritten letter to US Forest Chief Mike Dombeck concerning the US Forest Service Roadless Initiative. It can be found on the AMA website at the address below. Deadline for comment is December 20th, visit the website, send the letter and spread the word. http://www.ama-cycle.org/legisltn/closures/ Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 16:15:49 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26598 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10603 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 1999 21:13:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19991216211359.10602.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:13:59 PST Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:13:59 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Commute - Falls Church to Bethesda? To: Chris Norloff , List-dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I was commuting to NIH, the best route from 495 was to cross the Cabin John Bridge, take River Road, left on Burdette Rd then right on Greentree Rd which led right in to NIH. Taking the Key Bridge the quickest route was Foxhall Rd to Nebraska to Wisconsin. If you are going to one of the Hospitals, (NIH, Suburban or Naval) I would guess that 495 would be your best choice. Leon --- Chris Norloff wrote: > Hi, all. I may be doing a Falls Church > City-to-Bethesda commute, and was wondering if > anyone else is doing that sort of commute? > > I figure I'd take back road to Chain Bridge, and > work my way over to Wisconsin Ave. that way. > > Any advice on roads and times of day for the > commute? How long does your commute take you? > > thanks, > Chris Norloff > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 16:19:33 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26608 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11856 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 1999 21:19:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19991216211906.11855.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:19:06 PST Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:19:06 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING To: Kirk Roy , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Perhaps the idea is to loose the dog to allow time to get the ammo down from wherever it is stored so that kids and guests don't come across it by accident. At least that would be the way I would do it. (Of course to my way of thinking, the dog is just as expendable as the bike, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot the crook because either the bike or the dog is in the line of fire.) Leon. --- Kirk Roy wrote: > On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Tom Zell wrote: > > Let it be known to all that my bikes as well as > any friends' bikes on > > my property become the sole protected property of > one EXTREMELY > > INTRUDER AGGRESSIVE PIT BULL TERRIER named Zeus > and I have no problem > > letting him have his way with someone trying to > rip me and my > > friends/family off. > > It seems a bit off to me to use your pet as > protection and put the animal > into a position of being hurt. A thief is not going > to care about the well > being of your dog and untrained security dogs (even > trained) are easy to > work around/injure/kill. If someone wants your bike > and knows you've got a > dog to "protect" it the likelihood of you losing the > dog is very high. Is > your motorcycle worth losing a loved one for? > > Check this out for more info: > http://www.batw.com/netpet/articles/protection.html > > In other words, you should worry more about > protecting the dog than the > other way around. > > Yeah, the list is slow so... :) > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 > (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 > (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 18:54:21 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29171 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA16175; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:52:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01bf4821$6280ebc0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , "Troutman" References: <19991216105458275-fb6059c@fanniemaefoundation.org> <4.2.0.58.19991216113415.00c7a6c0@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:57:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I wasn't trying to say that he's vicious... he's protective AND according to the Code of Virginia (don't remember the statute).... he's allowed to be. In Virginia, if a dog bites, mames, kills, etc an intruder (be it man or animal) on the owner's property then it is the intruder who is at fault. Granted... signs must be posted stating "Beware of Dog." Other than that... once an intruder crosses over the property line, he's fair game. Anyone who knows Zeus knows that he is not vicious... he's even friends with the Arlington Animal Warden! Dogs can sense the bad people... and he is perfectly good at identifying them. I have proof! :-) Later, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Was... Update: Stolen CBR600F4 Now... WARNING > At 11:20 AM 12/16/99 , Danny Thompson wrote: > >That's funny Tom, I was thinking similar type thoughts about my 100# overly > >protective German Shephard. :) > > Now come on Danny. You and I both know that dog is all bark and no bite! > > Be careful about actually using your dogs as weapons. If you are serious - > they could be destroyed - and you get sued. And Tom - you aren't helping > the already vicious pit bull image! > > I haven't ridden in over a week. Just got back from Hawaii - and a ton of > errands with big boxes is keeping me caged :-( > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 21:58:14 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02312 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:58:13 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.0.d45239af (4537) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:57:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d45239af.258b00a1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:57:37 EST Subject: Who dat? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 I was in front of the Foggy Bottom metro about 8:30 and a guy on a nice looking r/w/b Yamaha YZF stopped at the light. I hollered to him that it was a nice bike. He looked and nodded. Anyone on the list? Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 16 22:14:40 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02564 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-109-50.s50.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.50] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11ynqJ-0005pv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:14:08 -0500 Message-ID: <00c901bf483c$bdd8c180$326daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: gsxr front end Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:13:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone know where I can get a decent front end for a '96 or later gsxr 600 or 750? (triples & forks) TIA, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 08:53:59 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA13235 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4322 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 1999 13:53:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19991217135354.4321.qmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.46.78] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:53:54 PST Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:53:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: stolen CBR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Robert, don't know who you've been talking too, but I wouldn't rely on them...Some parts may end up at the track, but not full bikes or full motors (then again, any time you buy a used part, especially off the net, you never know where it came from). CCS is a bit lax, but WERA checks VIN numbers EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND on EVERY bike. And tlking with tech, they do random motor number checks. If you get Roadracing World, you'll remember reading the article last summer about the dallas police raiding a CMRA race down at Texas World Speedway. It was a fiasco, cause the cops were literally idiots when it came to vehicle information, but the end result that there was a single stolen motor out of the 200+ racers there...they did get several bikes from spectators though... That raid was a fiasco. They confiscated all two smokes such as TZ's and RS125's "cause they don't have VIN numbers". Screwed up several classes of racing, since it took everyone about two days to explain to the morons that those are GP racebikes inported for closed course use only and NEVER have VIN numbers issued....the stories go on and on with regards to that weekend... All said though, we'll keep an eye out for pieces of your ride out at the track and give you and the police a buzz if something pops up... Collin Robert wrote: >From talking to people it sounds like a lot of these bikes end up at the racetrack in one form or another. I would especially ask anyone who hangs out at the track to be on the lookout for anything suspicous. I've included the engine number off of the engine block in case it is of any use (see below). I am more concerned about getting the thieves than getting my bike (or any parts of it) back. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 08:58:54 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA13424 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11175 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 1999 13:58:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19991217135839.11174.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.46.78] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:58:39 PST Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:58:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re 996 vs 748 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Stay with the 748 Jeff.. save the difference in cash, and have those pro folks up in CT fiddle with it and get you the monster power you deserve at the rear wheel!!! Just be sure to mark those good forks of yours so you know they don't pull a switcharoo on you ;-) As for the guns.... buy both!!!! lol... I gotta get out of the coast guard and into the navy... they're paying you guys too much ;-) Or are you pimping yourself out again?!?!? hehehe Collin (who shouldn't be making fun of someone who ownd more and bigger guns than him!!! hehehe) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 09:54:09 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (web109.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.76]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14659 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20059 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 1999 14:54:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19991217145400.20058.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.8.1] by web109.yahoomail.com; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:54:00 PST Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:54:00 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Deals Gap Topo Map To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ran across the following web site. Thought it might be of interest. http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=35.4739&lon=-83.9211 Herb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 10:13:36 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15001 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from administrator (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA22487 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:11:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00ad01bf48a1$58d8c900$5207a8c0@administrator> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <027401bf47ed$2c44f080$5207a8c0@administrator> Subject: Re: wrenching on Saturday Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:13:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Any of you who are coming over on Saturday, the earlier we get started the better. I plan to wrench until 2:00 at the latest. After that I am going to the Salvation Army in downtown D.C. where they had the toy run to help put together bicycles. Any and all are invited to both the wrenching and / or the bike put together "party". The Salvation Army will have ~$5000.00 worth of bikes to put together for children for Christmas and they say they need all he help they can get. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Danny Thompson To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 12:44 PM Subject: wrenching on Saturday > In case anyone is interested in joining me, I will be working on my bikes > this Saturday a.m. Your welcome to bring your bike or parts and we can work > on them together. I have most tools that you would need. > > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 10:54:54 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15580 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA08010 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:00:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01bf48a7$98905f80$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: Subject: PCs for sale Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:58:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF487D.AF4E0120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF487D.AF4E0120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm back with PCs for sale again... Digital Pentium 133 64 MB RAM 17" Trinitron Monitor Built in SCSI Built in NIC CD ROM 850 MB HD (these were network PCs) Y2K Compliant DEC has always been a leader in workstation and server technology. = These are a few years old but they are very well built and fast despite = the processor speed. Looking to get $500 per set. Well sell separately = as well. I have four systems to go. I need the cash so prices are not = set in stone. Thanks, Tom '86 VFR750 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF487D.AF4E0120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm back with PCs for sale again...
 
Digital Pentium 133
64 MB RAM
17" Trinitron Monitor
Built in SCSI
Built in NIC
CD ROM
850 MB HD (these were network PCs)
Y2K Compliant
 
DEC has always been a leader in workstation and = server=20 technology.  These are a few years old but they are very well built = and=20 fast despite the processor speed.  Looking to get $500 per = set.  Well=20 sell separately as well.  I have four systems to go.  I need = the cash=20 so prices are not set in stone.
 
Thanks,
Tom
'86 VFR750  
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF487D.AF4E0120-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 11:24:26 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16090 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from administrator (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA03438 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:22:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00d001bf48ab$3e6b7360$5207a8c0@administrator> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <000e01bf48a7$98905f80$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: PCs for sale Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:24:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hey Tom, don't forget that you could always donate to a school (mine) and get a full tax write-off, plus help some kids. Just a thought. :) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas and Jeannette To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 10:58 AM Subject: PCs for sale I'm back with PCs for sale again... Digital Pentium 133 64 MB RAM 17" Trinitron Monitor Built in SCSI Built in NIC CD ROM 850 MB HD (these were network PCs) Y2K Compliant DEC has always been a leader in workstation and server technology. These are a few years old but they are very well built and fast despite the processor speed. Looking to get $500 per set. Well sell separately as well. I have four systems to go. I need the cash so prices are not set in stone. Thanks, Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 12:13:14 1999 Return-Path: mharrell@XXXXXX Received: from cj30520-a.manss1.va.home.com (65005@XXXXXX [24.7.169.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16932 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21545 invoked by uid 48381); 17 Dec 1999 17:12:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:12:44 -0500 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Deals Gap Topo Map Message-ID: <19991217121243.A21527@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i : Ran across the following web site. Thought it might be of interest. : http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=35.4739&lon=-83.9211 Yep, that's similiar to the one I grabbed from the VFR list. You can check it out at http://www.bittwiddlers.com/motorcycles/gapmap.jpg -- Matthew Harrell I never take work home with me; Bit Twiddlers, Inc. I always leave it in some bar mharrell@XXXXXX along the way. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 12:15:00 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f18.hotmail.com [209.185.131.81]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16942 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33902 invoked by uid 0); 17 Dec 1999 17:14:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19991217171425.33901.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:14:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PCs for sale Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:14:25 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ummmmm... May I politely ask... why this was posted to a motorcycle list serve? >From: "Danny Thompson" >To: >Subject: Re: PCs for sale >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:24:48 -0500 > >Hey Tom, don't forget that you could always donate to a school (mine) and >get a full tax write-off, plus help some kids. Just a thought. :) > >Danny >'99 VFR >'99 SV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas and Jeannette > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 10:58 AM > Subject: PCs for sale > > > I'm back with PCs for sale again... > > Digital Pentium 133 > 64 MB RAM > 17" Trinitron Monitor > Built in SCSI > Built in NIC > CD ROM > 850 MB HD (these were network PCs) > Y2K Compliant > > DEC has always been a leader in workstation and server technology. >These >are a few years old but they are very well built and fast despite the >processor speed. Looking to get $500 per set. Well sell separately as >well. I have four systems to go. I need the cash so prices are not set in >stone. > > Thanks, > Tom > '86 VFR750 > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 12:32:52 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17289 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from administrator (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA04534 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:38:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001201bf48b4$cec6a020$5207a8c0@administrator> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <19991217171425.33901.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: PCs for sale Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:33:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This all has to do with our ability to afford to buy and maintain motorcycles. :) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Allis To: Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 12:14 PM Subject: Re: PCs for sale > Ummmmm... May I politely ask... why this was posted to a motorcycle list > serve? > > >From: "Danny Thompson" > >To: > >Subject: Re: PCs for sale > >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:24:48 -0500 > > > >Hey Tom, don't forget that you could always donate to a school (mine) and > >get a full tax write-off, plus help some kids. Just a thought. :) > > > >Danny > >'99 VFR > >'99 SV > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Thomas and Jeannette > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 10:58 AM > > Subject: PCs for sale > > > > > > I'm back with PCs for sale again... > > > > Digital Pentium 133 > > 64 MB RAM > > 17" Trinitron Monitor > > Built in SCSI > > Built in NIC > > CD ROM > > 850 MB HD (these were network PCs) > > Y2K Compliant > > > > DEC has always been a leader in workstation and server technology. > >These > >are a few years old but they are very well built and fast despite the > >processor speed. Looking to get $500 per set. Well sell separately as > >well. I have four systems to go. I need the cash so prices are not set in > >stone. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom > > '86 VFR750 > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 12:40:44 1999 Return-Path: stevied@XXXXXX Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17395 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05912; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:40:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <385A75A7.31AA0B09@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:40:55 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robert@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Update: Stolen CBR600F4 and additional stolen bikes References: <385875CD.6FE85AAB@otaku.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert, Someone from the Suzuki-L said their Suzuki Katana was stolen last Tuesday in Gaithersburg and believes the suspects are among a group of people who work for Appalachian Tree Service. And a white Pick up truck was used. Anybody in your neighborhood have any tree work done lately? Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Representative Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org robert@XXXXXX wrote: > I talked to the police again today and they sound pretty serious about > going after the bike thieves, but it may depend on getting the right > tip. Turns out that there have been like 20 or so bike thefts in my > area all very close to one another in terms of location and time. It's > probably the same group of people and it's certainly not just my bike. > Your bike could easily be next. They have been successful in busting > people and the slightest piece of info could be the key. > > >From talking to people it sounds like a lot of these bikes end up at the > racetrack in one form or another. I would especially ask anyone who > hangs out at the track to be on the lookout for anything suspicous. > I've included the engine number off of the engine block in case it is of > any use (see below). I am more concerned about getting the thieves than > getting my bike (or any parts of it) back. > > If you have information on any motorcycle thefts in the area and want to > remain anonymous you can leave voicemail at the following number: > > (703) 234-3951 x1513 > (Call from a payphone if you seriously want to remain anonymous because > this does log caller ID information.) > > Also, the State of Virginia runs a program called HEAT that offers > rewards up to $10,000 for tips on vehicle theft. See > www.hetreward.com. To contact them with information call: > > 1-800-947-HEAT > > They claim that you can remain anonymous and still collect a reward. > > 1999 Honda CBR600F4X > Color: Yellow > Virginia Tag # 163171 > VIN# JH2PC3502XM006649 > ENGINE NUMBER: PC35E-2025336 > Picture of this model: > http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/mcphotos/600f4-6.jpg > Stock bike, no modifications. > Large crack on the left side of the rear fender, near the signal light > (glued back together with epoxy.) I allowed the triple clamp to get > scratched up by my keychain, so the paint/powdercoat is scratched there. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 12:44:47 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17517 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 17 Dec 1999 20:37:35 UT Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:43 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Doug Allis" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: PCs for sale Message-ID: <19991217124427979-1540a083@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Because I'm friends with folks on this list and sometimes computer related issues come up. Most folks are somehow computer field related and may know of someone in need of something. Funny how this has never come up before in the almost three years that I've been on here. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: PCs for sale Author: dhallis@XXXXXX (Doug Allis) Date: 12/17/1999 9:14 AM Ummmmm... May I politely ask... why this was posted to a motorcycle list serve? >From: "Danny Thompson" >To: >Subject: Re: PCs for sale >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:24:48 -0500 > >Hey Tom, don't forget that you could always donate to a school (mine) and >get a full tax write-off, plus help some kids. Just a thought. :) > >Danny >'99 VFR >'99 SV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas and Jeannette > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 10:58 AM > Subject: PCs for sale > > > I'm back with PCs for sale again... > > Digital Pentium 133 > 64 MB RAM > 17" Trinitron Monitor > Built in SCSI > Built in NIC > CD ROM > 850 MB HD (these were network PCs) > Y2K Compliant > > DEC has always been a leader in workstation and server technology. >These >are a few years old but they are very well built and fast despite the >processor speed. Looking to get $500 per set. Well sell separately as >well. I have four systems to go. I need the cash so prices are not set in >stone. > > Thanks, > Tom > '86 VFR750 > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 13:27:39 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18278 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A0E161801F0; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:28:49 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Fri, 17 Dec 99 13:28:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Doug Allis" Subject: Re: PCs for sale Message-Id: <199912171328937.SM00206@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Doug Allis" Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:14:25 PST >Ummmmm... May I politely ask... why this was posted to a motorcycle >list serve? Doesn't Honda make PC's? $500 sounds like a good deal for one. :p Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 13:41:07 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18465 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:41:06 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525684A.0066FC8A ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:44:53 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Tom Zell" cc: "Doug Allis" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-ID: <8525684A.0066FB4F.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:33:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: PCs for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Must be the holidays, people gettin' bitchy. ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Tom Zell" on 12/17/99 12:43:00 PM To: "Doug Allis" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re[2]: PCs for sale Because I'm friends with folks on this list and sometimes computer related issues come up. Most folks are somehow computer field related and may know of someone in need of something. Funny how this has never come up before in the almost three years that I've been on here. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: PCs for sale Author: dhallis@XXXXXX (Doug Allis) Date: 12/17/1999 9:14 AM Ummmmm... May I politely ask... why this was posted to a motorcycle list serve? >From: "Danny Thompson" >To: >Subject: Re: PCs for sale >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:24:48 -0500 > >Hey Tom, don't forget that you could always donate to a school (mine) and >get a full tax write-off, plus help some kids. Just a thought. :) > >Danny >'99 VFR >'99 SV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas and Jeannette > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 10:58 AM > Subject: PCs for sale > > > I'm back with PCs for sale again... > > Digital Pentium 133 > 64 MB RAM > 17" Trinitron Monitor > Built in SCSI > Built in NIC > CD ROM > 850 MB HD (these were network PCs) > Y2K Compliant > > DEC has always been a leader in workstation and server technology. >These >are a few years old but they are very well built and fast despite the >processor speed. Looking to get $500 per set. Well sell separately as >well. I have four systems to go. I need the cash so prices are not set in >stone. > > Thanks, > Tom > '86 VFR750 > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 13:54:18 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18736 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from administrator (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA24282 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:52:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006d01bf48c0$2de27600$5207a8c0@administrator> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <8525684A.0066FB4F.00@172.16.2.37> Subject: Re: Re[2]: PCs for sale Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:54:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Not so Jeannette, he said "... May I politely ask... ". He just wanted to know I think. Danny :) '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Tom Zell Cc: Doug Allis ; Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: PCs for sale > > > Must be the holidays, people gettin' bitchy. ; ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > "Tom Zell" on 12/17/99 12:43:00 PM > > > To: "Doug Allis" , > "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: Re[2]: PCs for sale > > > > > Because I'm friends with folks on this list and sometimes computer related > issues come up. Most folks are somehow computer field related and may know of > someone in need of something. > > Funny how this has never come up before in the almost three years that I've been > on here. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: PCs for sale > Author: dhallis@XXXXXX (Doug Allis) > Date: 12/17/1999 9:14 AM > > Ummmmm... May I politely ask... why this was posted to a motorcycle list > serve? > > >From: "Danny Thompson" > >To: > >Subject: Re: PCs for sale > >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:24:48 -0500 > > > >Hey Tom, don't forget that you could always donate to a school (mine) and > >get a full tax write-off, plus help some kids. Just a thought. :) > > > >Danny > >'99 VFR > >'99 SV > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Thomas and Jeannette > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 10:58 AM > > Subject: PCs for sale > > > > > > I'm back with PCs for sale again... > > > > Digital Pentium 133 > > 64 MB RAM > > 17" Trinitron Monitor > > Built in SCSI > > Built in NIC > > CD ROM > > 850 MB HD (these were network PCs) > > Y2K Compliant > > > > DEC has always been a leader in workstation and server technology. > >These > >are a few years old but they are very well built and fast despite the > >processor speed. Looking to get $500 per set. Well sell separately as > >well. I have four systems to go. I need the cash so prices are not set in > >stone. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom > > '86 VFR750 > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 15:45:55 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20574 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:45:54 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id q.0.1070f14d (4190); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:43:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.1070f14d.258bfa88@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:43:52 EST Subject: Re: Re[2]: PCs for sale To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, TZell@XXXXXX CC: dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 doesn't look very bitchy to me ... and I particularly like THIS response.... << This all has to do with our ability to afford to buy and maintain motorcycles. :) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV >> Marcy In a message dated 12/17/99 1:48:07 PM, Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX writes: << Must be the holidays, people gettin' bitchy. ; ) >> In a message dated 12/17/99 12:19:09 PM, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: << Ummmmm... May I politely ask... why this was posted to a motorcycle list serve? >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 15:55:35 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f241.hotmail.com [209.185.130.206]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20665 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 69401 invoked by uid 0); 17 Dec 1999 20:54:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19991217205451.69400.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:54:51 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: PCs for sale Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:54:51 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Must be the holidays, people gettin' bitchy. ; ) > >- Jeannette Nope -- just curious. Hope someone buys em. I once got flamed on another list for being a bit off subject, so I know how it feels. Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 15:56:48 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20676 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:56:47 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525684A.00736850 ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:00:33 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, TZell@XXXXXX, dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525684A.00736702.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:50:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: PCs for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I guess no one noticed the wink at the end of my sentence. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 JinnSinn@XXXXXX on 12/17/99 03:43:52 PM To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, TZell@XXXXXX cc: dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: Re[2]: PCs for sale doesn't look very bitchy to me ... and I particularly like THIS response.... << This all has to do with our ability to afford to buy and maintain motorcycles. :) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV >> Marcy In a message dated 12/17/99 1:48:07 PM, Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX writes: << Must be the holidays, people gettin' bitchy. ; ) >> In a message dated 12/17/99 12:19:09 PM, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: << Ummmmm... May I politely ask... why this was posted to a motorcycle list serve? >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 15:56:59 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20685 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:56:57 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA03341; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:57:07 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002522; Fri, 17 Dec 99 15:56:22 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FMW00G8TKSHWR@XXXXXX>; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525684A.00730BFF ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:56:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:55:49 -0500 Subject: Re: PCs for sale To: Horkster Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Doug Allis Message-id: <8525684A.0072ECF0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL That's right - they do. Just like with IMacs, the screen's included and they come in different colors. Not to mention they're more powerful than IBM clones, but not by much. Chris Weaver 98 VTR From: Horkster Doesn't Honda make PC's? $500 sounds like a good deal for one. :p ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 16:01:15 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f281.hotmail.com [209.185.130.220]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20836 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53580 invoked by uid 0); 17 Dec 1999 21:00:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19991217210041.53579.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:00:41 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PCs for sale Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:00:41 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sure do, I've got one. Yes -- it cost much more than $500! I'm also on the Honda PC listserve -- I thought the message was from listserve until I read it. Its kind of funny, now that I think about it, seems to me that the Honda PC list sometimes gets "Personal Computer" related sales spam. >From: "Horkster" >Reply-To: "Horkster" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Doug Allis" >Subject: Re: PCs for sale >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 99 13:28:50 -0500 > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Doug Allis" >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:14:25 PST > > >Ummmmm... May I politely ask... why this was posted to a motorcycle > >list serve? > >Doesn't Honda make PC's? $500 sounds like a good deal for one. :p > >Horkster > > >-- >Dale Horstman (The Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > >1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR >1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI > >"I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet >sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" >-- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 16:07:58 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f151.hotmail.com [209.185.131.214]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20921 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58511 invoked by uid 0); 17 Dec 1999 21:07:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19991217210723.58510.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:07:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: PCs for sale Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:07:23 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I noticed. No offense was taken by me but I guess I livened up this list this afternoon! Everyone must be in office parties. That is where I'm going!!!! bye now > >I guess no one noticed the wink at the end of my sentence. > > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 16:35:28 1999 Return-Path: razzsounds@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f114.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21485 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74425 invoked by uid 0); 17 Dec 1999 21:35:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19991217213519.74424.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.217.89.232 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:35:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.232] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Chatter Box Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:35:18 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed On the last group ride a guy in an Orange helmet, I think his name was Mike, was talking to me about a Chatter Box. If you would be so kind as to e-mail me off-list, I'd like to talk to you about it. Thanks, Razz 99 ZX9R 83 LTD440 77 KZ650 (MINT & for sale) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 18:22:41 1999 Return-Path: nobr8nr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23104 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from homepdc (client196-127-171.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.171]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA15274; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:26:43 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "JC" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: RE: **12/19 RIDE PLANNED** Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:09:53 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01bf48e5$3df17c10$0a646464@homepdc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0.3635b5fa.258a1e47@aol.com> Slight correction on the typo...That would be U.S. Military Vets MC. The club has members from all the services. :-) I couldn't help it, I'm a Navy vet! JC -----Original Message----- From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX [mailto:LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 5:52 AM To: Wishn4him@XXXXXX; Needlsnpin@XXXXXX; Crowbar446@XXXXXX; TOWISH@XXXXXX; LittleWW@XXXXXX; Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX; rosie@XXXXXX; vitaman@XXXXXX; Chopprdq@XXXXXX; Bbmargie@XXXXXX; ARMOR1955@XXXXXX; Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX; rwickman@XXXXXX; ADonne2346@XXXXXX; bob.graham@XXXXXX; nobr8nr@XXXXXX; HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX; randy@XXXXXX; daultman@XXXXXX; DynaHog@XXXXXX; HarleymanJ@XXXXXX; ADONSNY@XXXXXX; CherEcoke1@XXXXXX; Waltrich1@XXXXXX; A65Shari@XXXXXX; AdjusterR@XXXXXX; RRumbleBee@XXXXXX; Jay4dee@XXXXXX; DCMartin@XXXXXX; DMITCH7979@XXXXXX; HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX; Chopprluvr@XXXXXX; Gawthrop@XXXXXX; phil@XXXXXX; pkingley@XXXXXX; sandra.smith@XXXXXX; Fallingnow@XXXXXX; MDrey1998@XXXXXX; Dmrdms@XXXXXX; rwgrim@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: **12/19 RIDE PLANNED** Phil Lung has become an active member of the USMVMC--assuming that means U. S. Marine Veterans MC -- Feel free to join him for what typically has been very nice rides! Thanks Phil! lbb . SATURDAY, DECEMBER 19 ??TIME?? If interested contact Phil at phil@XXXXXX Meeting at the Bagel joint behind The Amoco station at the intersection of rts.. 424 & 3 in Crofton, MD 1000 In case of rain .... coffee & bagels are STILL on! From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 18:56:21 1999 Return-Path: arandolph@XXXXXX Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23589 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from aaronran ([24.28.219.129]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:56:12 -0500 From: "Aaron Randolph" To: "DC Cycles List" , Subject: RE: My Motorcycle STOLEN! (REWARD BEING OFFERED) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:57:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3855B993.B9717E2A@otaku.org> Kinda late on this, but I haven't checked my mail in awhile. Which complex was it sitting in? I live in Lakeside, and if there's a rash of thefts going on, maybe I should move it somewhere else. Currently it sits out front of my building with a disc lock. Aaron 99 Katana PS If you live in Lakeside, and it's the yellow CBR I've seen near the dumpsters, thats a pretty nice bike and sorry it got stolen. :( > -----Original Message----- > From: robert@XXXXXX [mailto:robert@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 10:29 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: My Motorcycle STOLEN! (REWARD BEING OFFERED) > > > > My yellow 1999 CBR600F4 was stolen from the parking lot of my apartment > complex in Centreville, VA (Northern Virginia, DC metro area) on > Thursday or Friday of last week (12/9 - 12/10). Unfortunately I didn't > notice it until Saturday because it was parked away from my apartment. > > 1999 Honda CBR600F4X > Color: Yellow > Virginia Tag # 163171 > VIN# JH2PC3502XM006649 > Picture of this model: > http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/mcphotos/600f4-6.jpg > Stock bike, no modifications. > Large crack on the left side of the rear fender, near the signal light > (glued back together with epoxy.) I allowed the triple clamp to get > scratched up by my keychain, so the paint/powdercoat is scratched there. > > I don't want the bike back because there's no telling what's shape it > will be in, but I will pay a $500 reward for any information leading to > the arrest and conviction of the thieves who stole it. > > If anyone has any tips for me (information to provide, organizations to > report it to, etc.) please let me know. > > Robert From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 21:06:53 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25681 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) id <0FMW00401Z60WX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:06:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FMW0015PZ5UPF@XXXXXX>; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:06:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id CAA23978; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:04:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.137.13]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991218020516.HLYI11611@toddnt>; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:05:16 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:02:53 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Re[2]: PCs for sale In-reply-to: <006d01bf48c0$2de27600$5207a8c0@administrator> To: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000a01bf48fb$feaf8490$e68a2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Pipe down bitch! -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [mailto:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 1:55 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re[2]: PCs for sale > > > Not so Jeannette, he said "... May I politely ask... ". He just wanted to > know I think. > > Danny :) > '99 VFR > '99 SV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: Tom Zell > Cc: Doug Allis ; > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: Re[2]: PCs for sale > > > > > > > > Must be the holidays, people gettin' bitchy. ; ) > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Zell" on 12/17/99 12:43:00 PM > > > > > > To: "Doug Allis" , > > "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > > Subject: Re[2]: PCs for sale > > > > > > > > > > Because I'm friends with folks on this list and sometimes > computer related > > issues come up. Most folks are somehow computer field related and may > know of > > someone in need of something. > > > > Funny how this has never come up before in the almost three years that > I've been > > on here. > > > > Tom > > '86 VFR750 > > > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > Subject: Re: PCs for sale > > Author: dhallis@XXXXXX (Doug Allis) > > Date: 12/17/1999 9:14 AM > > > > Ummmmm... May I politely ask... why this was posted to a motorcycle list > > serve? > > > > >From: "Danny Thompson" > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: PCs for sale > > >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:24:48 -0500 > > > > > >Hey Tom, don't forget that you could always donate to a school > (mine) and > > >get a full tax write-off, plus help some kids. Just a thought. :) > > > > > >Danny > > >'99 VFR > > >'99 SV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Thomas and Jeannette > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 10:58 AM > > > Subject: PCs for sale > > > > > > > > > I'm back with PCs for sale again... > > > > > > Digital Pentium 133 > > > 64 MB RAM > > > 17" Trinitron Monitor > > > Built in SCSI > > > Built in NIC > > > CD ROM > > > 850 MB HD (these were network PCs) > > > Y2K Compliant > > > > > > DEC has always been a leader in workstation and server technology. > > >These > > >are a few years old but they are very well built and fast despite the > > >processor speed. Looking to get $500 per set. Well sell separately as > > >well. I have four systems to go. I need the cash so prices > are not set > in > > >stone. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Tom > > > '86 VFR750 > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 21:17:52 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25838 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) id <0FMW00C01ZOJXP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:17:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FMW00B4RZOJGV@XXXXXX>; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:17:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id CAA25882; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:15:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.137.13]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991218021851.JRC24369@toddnt>; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:18:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:14:04 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Re[2]: PCs for sale In-reply-to: <8525684A.00736702.00@172.16.2.37> To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: TZell@XXXXXX, dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000f01bf48fd$8ec2cc80$e68a2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I just assume that every post you make is full of winks J :P T > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX > [mailto:Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 3:50 PM > To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > Cc: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX; TZell@XXXXXX; > dhallis@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re[2]: PCs for sale > > > > > I guess no one noticed the wink at the end of my sentence. > > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > JinnSinn@XXXXXX on 12/17/99 03:43:52 PM > > > To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, TZell@XXXXXX > cc: dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: > Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: Re: Re[2]: PCs for sale > > > > > doesn't look very bitchy to me ... and I particularly like THIS > response.... > > << This all has to do with our ability to afford to buy and maintain > > motorcycles. :) > > Danny > > '99 VFR > > '99 SV >> > > Marcy > > In a message dated 12/17/99 1:48:07 PM, > Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX writes: > > << Must be the holidays, people gettin' bitchy. ; ) >> > > In a message dated 12/17/99 12:19:09 PM, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: > > << Ummmmm... May I politely ask... why this was posted to a > motorcycle list > serve? >> > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 21:25:01 1999 Return-Path: phil@XXXXXX Received: from europe.annapolis.net (europe.annapolis.net [206.24.4.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA25930 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from gci-ts-02p48.goodspeed.net (gci-ts-02p48.goodspeed.net [208.130.51.48]) by europe.annapolis.net (NTMail 3.03.0014/7.abfo) with ESMTP id qa564580 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:25:16 -0500 Message-ID: <385AEFDC.80B3673D@annapolis.net> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:22:20 -0500 From: Phil Lung Organization: USMilitaryVetsMC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nobr8nr@XXXXXX CC: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, Wishn4him@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX, rwgrim@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: **12/19 RIDE PLANNED** References: <000e01bf48e5$3df17c10$0a646464@homepdc> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5979E01B06AF2C2641B03347" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5979E01B06AF2C2641B03347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right on !!! But, I'll bet Tramp, Lady, & Freak wouldn't mind the misunderstanding !!! l-D { US Military Vets MC ( Motorcycle Club ) } How's that ?? :-) JC wrote: > Slight correction on the typo...That would be U.S. Military Vets MC. The > club has members from all the services. :-) I couldn't help it, I'm a Navy > vet! > > JC > > -----Original Message----- > From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX [mailto:LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 5:52 AM > To: Wishn4him@XXXXXX; Needlsnpin@XXXXXX; Crowbar446@XXXXXX; > TOWISH@XXXXXX; LittleWW@XXXXXX; Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX; > rosie@XXXXXX; vitaman@XXXXXX; Chopprdq@XXXXXX; > Bbmargie@XXXXXX; ARMOR1955@XXXXXX; Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX; > rwickman@XXXXXX; ADonne2346@XXXXXX; bob.graham@XXXXXX; > nobr8nr@XXXXXX; HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX; randy@XXXXXX; > daultman@XXXXXX; DynaHog@XXXXXX; HarleymanJ@XXXXXX; > ADONSNY@XXXXXX; CherEcoke1@XXXXXX; Waltrich1@XXXXXX; > A65Shari@XXXXXX; AdjusterR@XXXXXX; RRumbleBee@XXXXXX; > Jay4dee@XXXXXX; DCMartin@XXXXXX; DMITCH7979@XXXXXX; > HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX; Chopprluvr@XXXXXX; Gawthrop@XXXXXX; > phil@XXXXXX; pkingley@XXXXXX; sandra.smith@XXXXXX; > Fallingnow@XXXXXX; MDrey1998@XXXXXX; Dmrdms@XXXXXX; > rwgrim@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: **12/19 RIDE PLANNED** > > Phil Lung has become an active member of the USMVMC--assuming that means U. > S. Marine Veterans MC -- Feel free to join him for what typically has been > very nice rides! Thanks Phil! lbb > . > SATURDAY, DECEMBER 19 > ??TIME?? > If interested contact Phil at phil@XXXXXX > Meeting at the Bagel joint behind > The Amoco station at the intersection of > rts.. 424 & 3 in Crofton, MD 1000 > In case of rain .... coffee & bagels are STILL on! --------------5979E01B06AF2C2641B03347 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="phil.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Phil Lung Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="phil.vcf" begin:vcard n:Lung;Phil tel;cell:410 760 7223 tel;fax:410 923 2968 tel;home:410 923 6996 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:USMilitaryVetsMC;Fun adr:;;633EchoCove;Crownsville;MD;21032 1060;USA version:2.1 email;internet:phil@XXXXXX title:President fn:Phil Lung end:vcard --------------5979E01B06AF2C2641B03347-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 21:26:42 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25953 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) id <0FMX00A0103KBA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:26:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FMX006A103K2N@XXXXXX>; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:26:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id CAA20709; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:21:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.137.13]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991218022754.JXP24369@toddnt>; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:27:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:23:08 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Deals Gap Topo Map In-reply-to: <19991217145400.20058.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> To: Nomad , DC-Cycles Message-id: <001101bf48fe$d2841db0$e68a2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal BOGUS! Man, you had me thinking there was a 3d elevation depiction. But it do bring back fond summer memories though. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Nomad [mailto:nomad98@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 9:54 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Deals Gap Topo Map > > > Ran across the following web site. Thought it might be of interest. > http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=35.4739&lon=-83.9211 > Herb > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 21:52:13 1999 Return-Path: culimerc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26404 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from field-ops1 (user-2ivegcm.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.65.150]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA04131 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:52:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991217183532.006903c4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: culimerc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:35:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: James Hoofnagle Subject: RE:PC's for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Tom! I like the idea of donating them to a school! Let's face it, 133's for $500? Even with the monitor, Erol's is selling 366 celerons for that. There are plenty of less privleged school systems that would look 4 slightly out of date machines that could run windows (or even better linux, right?) and aquaint poor kids to the wonders of the internet. Fight the Power! Educate the poor! Santa rocks! Oh, sorry I got carried away. But seriously, give bikers a good name and take a bunch of money on your taxes. And education does rock. They can't hit you if they can't catch you, James E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 17 23:44:46 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA28042 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:44:45 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id d.0.56999387 (4444); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:43:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.56999387.258c6b03@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:43:47 EST Subject: Re: RE:PC's for sale To: culimerc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 There's an organization called College Bound in which mentor/tutors work with DC public school kids to try to get their skills up to par so they can get into college ... I KNOW they could use the computers ... you can check them out (or contact them) at www.collegebound.org they are also always looking for more tutors! :D Marcy In a message dated 12/17/99 9:56:36 PM, culimerc@XXXXXX writes: << Hey Tom! I like the idea of donating them to a school! >> From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 18 08:59:43 1999 Return-Path: tomorrow@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09538 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-112-91.s91.tnt4.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.112.91] helo=erols.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11zKO6-00009R-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:59:10 -0500 Message-ID: <385B93C0.2843BE55@erols.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:01:36 -0500 From: Tim Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Donate Your Used Helmet(s) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Folks: if you acquire a new helmet this winter and would like to donate your old helmet to a worthy cause (and get a tax writeoff in the process) please consider contributing it to Northern Virginia Community College. I teach the Motorcycle Rider Course at the Loudoun campus, and we are in dire need of newer helmets for our students who take the class prior to purchasing their own helmet. We need all sizes, and can use any full-face or 3/4 helmet as long as it is a genuine DOT-approved helmet with no crash damage. Please respond to me off-list at tomorrow@XXXXXX if you would like to donate a helmet to the training program, and I will arrange things. I am willing to pick up helmets on my own time and at my own expense in the metro DC area in order to save contributers from packing and shipping costs, if that will help spur donations. Thanks for your consideration, Tim Morrow -- MSF#21769 -- A member of the Morrow family in Herndon, Virginia E-mail respondants: change the number ‘2’ in the reply-to address to the word “to”. The correct reply-to address should read ‘tomorrow erols.com’. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 18 13:16:19 1999 Return-Path: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX Received: from indus.house.gov (indus.house.gov [143.231.86.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14260 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims02.house.gov (hrmims02.house.gov [143.231.32.158]) by indus.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20005 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims02.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:15:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 91 VFR 750 Parts for sale Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:15:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) I'm relatively new to the list but I could use a little help. I have two bikes, a '98 Suzuki TLR and a '90 Honda VFR. Due to monetary restrictions I am thinking about selling the TLR so if you know anybody who would be interested in such a bike please let me know. My VFR, on the other hand, is a little under the weather right now -- I dumped it a little while back and am now just getting the time to do the repairs. I am basically looking for these parts: * Aftermarket Bodywork -- all of it (or left side stock replacements) * some replacement parts for a set of 900RR front forks (from a '94) * a compatible instrument cluster * aftermarket rear shock * motor If anybody knows where I can find these parts (new or used) please let me know. I made some connections in Phoenix but I have none in DC. Otherwise, I'm glad to be a part of this gnarly organization. Cheers! Seth From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 18 13:57:34 1999 Return-Path: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14818 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:57:30 -0500 (EST) From: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Received: from TZimm2450@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id x.0.b790d4ac (4005); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:56:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b790d4ac.258d32d2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:56:18 EST Subject: Fwd: FW: This you have to read, believe it or not To: jdf4m@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thedog@XXXXXX CC: Bowlingmaniac@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX, Wilma.Wilkins@XXXXXX, LStout8209@XXXXXX, sheehado@XXXXXX, Leo4423@XXXXXX, frdavid@XXXXXX, Keith_Graybeal@XXXXXX, Edf1@XXXXXX, Builder12@XXXXXX, Frencs@XXXXXX, CTSMITH100@XXXXXX, SCummins@XXXXXX, joebristo@XXXXXX, WilkiWM@XXXXXX, Brfrench@XXXXXX, DFrench757@XXXXXX, Hobbit3631@XXXXXX, dbaggett1@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_0.b790d4ac.258d32d2_boundary" X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 --part1_0.b790d4ac.258d32d2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_0.b790d4ac.258d32d2_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za04.mx.aol.com (rly-za04.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.100]) by air-za04.mail.aol.com (v67.6) with ESMTP; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:17:55 -0500 Received: from ntexchange205a.fmmc.army.mil (ntexchange205a.fmmc.army.mil [160.145.40.202]) by rly-za04.mx.aol.com (v67.6) with ESMTP; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:17:48 -0500 Received: by NTEXCHANGE205a.fmmc.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:17:45 -0500 Message-ID: <66419F87BBAAD31199BF0008C7E64E5954B9FA@NTEXCHANGE059a.fmmc.army.mil> From: "Zimmermann, Karl SGT TUSAB" To: "'TZIMM2450@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: This you have to read, believe it or not Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:17:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Bowman, Kathrine MSG TUSAB Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 7:51 AM To: TUSAB Subject: FW: This you have to read, believe it or not FYI -----Original Message----- From: Gloria Martinez Mangual [mailto:gmartine@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 7:28 AM To: epcon@XXXXXX; betsy.velez@XXXXXX; mmjosue@XXXXXX; Nancy Torres; Miriam Lopez; Anabel y Ricardo Vasquez; Kim Sassylady Polite; Gary Ellison; Maureen Murray; Cristy Berrios Subject: Fwd: This you have to read, believe it or not Return-Path: Received: from rly-st06.mail.aol.com (rly-st06.mail.aol.com [172.31.34.5]) by air-yd02.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 02:11:16 1900 Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by rly-st06.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id BAA18491; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 01:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 01:22:16 -0500 Received: from earthlink.net (dialup-209.246.111.240.NewYork2.Level3.net [209.246.111.240]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21327; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:22:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <384F49E9.4378CEAF@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 01:19:22 -0500 From: GEORGE GETZONE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) To: ADDIE HURST Subject: This you have to read, believe it or not > >Subject: U S Postage for emails! Please read and pass on! > > > > > > U S POSTAGE STAMPS FOR EMAILS!!!! > > > > > > Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay on-line > > > and continue using email: > > > > > > The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the > > > Government of the United States attempting to quietly push > > > through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet. > > > > > > Under proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be > > > attempting to bill email users out of "alternate postage fees". > > > > > > Bill 602P will permit the Federal Govt. to charge a 5 cent > > > surcharge on every email delivered, by billing Internet > > > Service Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in > > > turn by the ISP. > > > > > > Washington D.C. lawyer Richard Stepp is working without > > > pay to prevent this legislation from becoming law. > > > > > > The U.S. Postal Service is claiming that lost revenue due > > > To the proliferation of email is costing nearly $230,000,000 in > > > Revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign > > > "There is nothing like a letter". > > > > > > Since the average citizen received about 10 pieces of email > > > Per day in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be an > > > additional 50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, > > > above and beyond their regular Internet costs. Note that this > > > would be money paid directly to the U.S. Postal Service for a > > > service > > > they do not even provide. The whole point of the Internet is > > > democracy and noninterference. > > > > > > If the federal government is permitted to tamper with our > > > liberties by adding a surcharge to email, who knows where it > > > will end. You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail > > > because of bureaucratic efficiency. It currently takes up to 6 > > >days > > > for a letter to be delivered from New York to Buffalo. > > > > > > If the U.S. Postal Service is allowed to tinker with email, it > > > will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. > > > One congressman, Tony Schnell (r) has even suggested a "twenty > > > To forty dollar per month surcharge on all Internet service" > > > Above and beyond the government's proposed email charges. Note > > > that most of the major newspapers have ignored the story, > > > the only exception being the Washingtonian which called the > > > idea of email surcharge "a useful concept whose time has > > > come" (March 6th 1999 Editorial). > > > > > > Don't sit by and watch your freedom erode away! > > > Send this email to all Americans on your list and tell your > > > friends and relatives to write to their congressman and say "No!" > > > to Bill 602P. > > > > > > Kate Turner Assistant to Richard Stepp, Berger, Stepp and Gorman > > > Attorneys at Law > > > 216 Concorde Street, Vienna, VA > > > > > > URGENT!!!! Pass this along to all your email buddies! why do I as a Canadian even get involved with stuff like that :-) Retirement Retreat, Summer Home or Tele-Commuter's Dream A HOME IN NOVA SCOTIA: ------------------- Part.001 follows -------------------  > >Subject:   U S Postage for emails!  Please read and pass on!
> > >
> > >    U S POSTAGE STAMPS FOR EMAILS!!!!
> > >
> > >    Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay on-line
> > >    and continue using email:
> > >
> > >    The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the
> > >    Government of the United States attempting to quietly push
> > >    through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet.
> > >
> > >    Under proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be
> > >    attempting to bill email users out of "alternate postage fees".
> > >
> > >  Bill 602P will permit the Federal Govt. to charge a 5 cent
> > >  surcharge on every email delivered, by billing Internet
> > >  Service  Providers at source.  The consumer would then be billed in
> > >  turn by the ISP.
> > >
> > >  Washington D.C. lawyer Richard Stepp is working without
> > >  pay to prevent this legislation from becoming law.
> > >
> > >  The U.S. Postal  Service is claiming that lost revenue due
> > >  To  the   proliferation of email is costing nearly  $230,000,000 in
> > >  Revenue   per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign
> > >  "There   is nothing like a letter".
> > >
> > >    Since the average citizen received about 10 pieces of email
> > >  Per   day in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be an
> > >  additional 50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year,
> > >  above   and beyond their regular Internet costs.  Note that this
> > >  would  be   money paid directly to the U.S. Postal Service for a
> > >  service
> > >  they  do not even provide.  The whole point of the Internet is
> > >  democracy and noninterference.
> > >
> > >  If the federal government is permitted to tamper with our
> > >  liberties by adding a surcharge to email, who knows where it
> > >  will end. You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail
> > >  because  of bureaucratic efficiency.  It currently takes up to 6
> > >days
> > >  for  a letter to be delivered from New York to Buffalo.
> > >
> > >    If the U.S. Postal Service is allowed to tinker with email, it
> > >    will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States.
> > >  One  congressman, Tony Schnell (r) has even suggested a "twenty
> > >  To  forty dollar per month surcharge on all Internet service"
> > >  Above  and beyond the government's proposed email charges.  Note
> > >  that most of the major newspapers have ignored the story,
> > >    the only exception being the Washingtonian which called the
> > >    idea of email surcharge "a useful concept whose time has
> > >  come"   (March 6th 1999 Editorial).
> > >
> > >  Don't sit by and watch your freedom erode away!
> > >    Send this email to all Americans on your list and tell your
> > >    friends and relatives to write to their congressman and say "No!"
> > >    to  Bill  602P.
> > >
> > >   Kate Turner Assistant to Richard Stepp, Berger, Stepp and Gorman
> > >    Attorneys at Law
> > >    216 Concorde Street, Vienna, VA
> > >
> > >  URGENT!!!!  Pass this along to all your email buddies!
 

why do I as a Canadian even get involved with stuff like that :-)
 

Retirement Retreat, Summer Home or Tele-Commuter's Dream
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  --part1_0.b790d4ac.258d32d2_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 18 15:35:20 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16296 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-109-50.s50.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.50] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11zQXp-0005dw-00; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:33:38 -0500 Message-ID: <01a601bf4997$29eab440$326daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: 400# spring 7.5" or 8" long Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:33:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I thought I had a spring for the GSXR shock for my SV but it is a 7" spring and too short. I need a longer one as stated in the subject line. Can anyone help me? Anyone have one they would like to sell? Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 18 15:54:43 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16522 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-109-50.s50.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.50] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11zQqV-0007Fy-00; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:52:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01ed01bf4999$dc21f4a0$326daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: ...spring, should have been 8.5 or 9 inch 400# Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:52:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Oops, I meant an 8.5 or 9 inch 400# spring. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 18 16:37:25 1999 Return-Path: harry@XXXXXX Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17264 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:37:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912182137.QAA17264@meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: This you have to read, believe it or not In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:56:18 EST." <0.b790d4ac.258d32d2@XXXXXX> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:37:24 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos ... >> > > The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the >> > > Government of the United States attempting to quietly push >> > > through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet. ... Before you blindly forward this on to everybody you know who has an email address, and every mailing list you're aware of, you might want to take a gander here: http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/emailtax.html Just as a bit of advice for newbies, when you see some alarming piece of news that's been "forwarded and forwarded and forwarded...", you should translate this into "This is a totally true story, I have a friend whose sister's boyfriend knows a guy who this really happened to". As another piece of advice, if you want to send someone email, send them a nice letter that you wrote yourself, don't forward them a bunch of junk mail with dopey jokes and rumors. And while saving the world through political activism and general do-gooder stuff is a noble goal, sadly, tragically, it actually requires more effort than just forwarding on some alarming-sounding email that some dude sent you. And finally, if someone sends you a chain-letter email warning about the end of the world, even if you look out your window and see a big mushroom cloud, you should still refrain from forwarding that mail to the dc-cycles list unless you can think of a way to make it very relevant to motorcycling (something like "weather report said 30 degrees, but I have a feeling it's actually going to be more than warm enough for riding today!"). -harry From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 18 21:12:08 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21344 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-36.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.36]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA28851 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:11:44 -0500 Message-ID: <027001bf49c6$5cc79840$6ba4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: E-mail hoax Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:11:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 >From: Harry Mantakos .. >> > > The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the >> > > Government of the United States attempting to quietly push >> > > through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet. ... >Before you blindly forward this on to everybody you know who has an >email address, and every mailing list you're aware of, you might >want to take a gander here: >http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/emailtax.html Yessir. Or www.usps.com Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Wants to collect a surcharge for every copy of this message distributed -- author copyright Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 18 21:17:01 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21421 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-36.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.36]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA28935 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:16:40 -0500 Message-ID: <027801bf49c7$0d234cc0$6ba4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Polar Bear Run Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:16:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0275_01BF499D.239DCAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0275_01BF499D.239DCAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the PARR site -- 16th Annual PARR Polar Bear Ride. Start the Millenium right at the Polar = Bear Ride. Sign-in 10:00 a.m.at the Sign of the Whale restaurant, Falls = Church, VA. Info: 703-444-2326/703-971-6844. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Memories of the last two still frozen in my frame. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0275_01BF499D.239DCAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
From the PARR site = --
 
16th Annual PARR Polar = Bear Ride.=20 Start the Millenium right at the Polar Bear Ride. Sign-in 10:00 a.m.at = the Sign=20 of the Whale restaurant, Falls Church, VA. Info:=20 703-444-2326/703-971-6844.
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 -->=20 Memories of  the last two still frozen in my frame. 
Join = the=20 AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0275_01BF499D.239DCAE0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 19 01:36:48 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA25257 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA11865 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:36:43 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA27637 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 9.0.37bd71b6 (3864); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:36:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.37bd71b6.258dd6d2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:36:02 EST Subject: For sale To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Sorry for the clutter, but I have to have this sold asap, so if anyone knows of anyone looking, please pass this along. Thanks. http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P262+C14+R842573 sgp From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 19 03:53:57 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA28102 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 03:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA12232 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 03:53:54 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA00129 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 03:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id v.0.6a970baa (3864) for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 03:52:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.6a970baa.258df6cf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 03:52:31 EST Subject: bike humor.... sort of... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 If you dont like tasteless humor, dont go here. If you do, you'll see why they call Kawasaki's Cows... http://www.crazyshit.com/pics/amaftbike.html youve been warned. sgp From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 19 09:39:51 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03072 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 09:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-159.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.159]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05941 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 09:39:30 -0500 Message-ID: <028201bf4a2e$d40c7340$6ba4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Polar Bear Run Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 09:39:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 ********** Mike Troutman rightly asks -- when is it? At 09:16 PM 12/18/1999 , you wrote: > > From the PARR site -- > >16th Annual PARR Polar Bear Ride. Start the Millenium right at the Polar >Bear Ride. Sign-in 10:00 a.m.at the Sign of the Whale restaurant, Falls >Church, VA. Info: 703-444-2326/703-971-6844. >Bill S. / DC >99 VN750 --> Memories of the last two still frozen in my frame. >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ****** Ahhh, Yes. No Y2K problem, this heading data dropsy. January 1, New Years Day. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 19 11:22:21 1999 Return-Path: rdtesq@XXXXXX Received: from ims-1.smartworld.net ([216.70.64.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04588 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 11:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from gt350pii (ppp-207.tnt-1.wdc.smartworld.net [216.70.70.207]) by ims-1.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA46632 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 11:22:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001501bf4a3d$072096e0$cf4646d8@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: How to subscribe? Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 11:20:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Can someone refresh my memory on how to subscribe? I am switching my ISP to Freewwweb. Why pay $190 per year when I can get free access?! By the way, does anyone have any experience using Freewwweb? Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 19 13:56:46 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06798 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 13:56:44 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id v.0.9726e3fe (4155); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 13:56:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.9726e3fe.258e8448@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 13:56:08 EST Subject: Re: FW: This you have to read, believe it or not To: harry@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 thank you Harry. I for one am tired of getting forwarded every single alleged virus threat (which you can check the validity of at www.symantec.com), threat to my freedom, plea for money for helpless children, etc, and hope that at the very least, if I'm going to see them on the DC Cycles list, that they be about the alleged spontaneous combustion of all motorcycles when the clock strikes midnight on Dec 31....or something of that sort. I'm tempted to start auto-deleting any mail with more than one "FW" in the subject line.... just thought I'd offer you my support since I have a feeling you're about to get flamed... :D Marcy In a message dated 12/18/99 4:42:18 PM, harry@XXXXXX writes: << Before you blindly forward this on to everybody you know who has an email address, and every mailing list you're aware of, you might want to take a gander here: http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/emailtax.html Just as a bit of advice for newbies, when you see some alarming piece of news that's been "forwarded and forwarded and forwarded...", you should translate this into "This is a totally true story, I have a friend whose sister's boyfriend knows a guy who this really happened to". As another piece of advice, if you want to send someone email, send them a nice letter that you wrote yourself, don't forward them a bunch of junk mail with dopey jokes and rumors. And while saving the world through political activism and general do-gooder stuff is a noble goal, sadly, tragically, it actually requires more effort than just forwarding on some alarming-sounding email that some dude sent you. And finally, if someone sends you a chain-letter email warning about the end of the world, even if you look out your window and see a big mushroom cloud, you should still refrain from forwarding that mail to the dc-cycles list unless you can think of a way to make it very relevant to motorcycling (something like "weather report said 30 degrees, but I have a feeling it's actually going to be more than warm enough for riding today!"). -harry >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 09:22:40 1999 Return-Path: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX Received: from indus.house.gov (indus.house.gov [143.231.86.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14173 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims04.house.gov (hrmims04.house.gov [143.231.32.160]) by indus.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16962; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims04.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:21:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: jdf4m@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thedog@XXXXXX, TZimm2450@XXXXXX Cc: Bowlingmaniac@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX, Wilma.Wilkins@XXXXXX, LStout8209@XXXXXX, sheehado@XXXXXX, Leo4423@XXXXXX, frdavid@XXXXXX, Keith_Graybeal@XXXXXX, Edf1@XXXXXX, Builder12@XXXXXX, Frencs@XXXXXX, CTSMITH100@XXXXXX, SCummins@XXXXXX, joebristo@XXXXXX, WilkiWM@XXXXXX, Brfrench@XXXXXX, DFrench757@XXXXXX, Hobbit3631@XXXXXX, dbaggett1@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FW: This you have to read, believe it or not Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:21:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Hey y'all, I'm still pretty new to the list but I just wanted to let you know that S.602P is not as serious as everyone makes it out to be. I work on the House side and the word here is that this bill is just a bunch of propaganda -- don't worry too much about it, the U.S. Postal Service cannot charge you for using your email -- only the FCC can and they have no reason to charge you for your email use. If you want to read more about the bill go to http://thomas.loc.gov/ and type in s.602 -- you'll see that this bill is only used to take away the right of the FCC to enact an email tax -- a tax they wouldn't dream of enacting anyway. I hope this helps some seth '98 TLR '90 VFR > ---------- > From: TZimm2450@XXXXXX[SMTP:TZimm2450@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 1:56 PM > To: jdf4m@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; > thedog@XXXXXX > Cc: Bowlingmaniac@XXXXXX; zbig@XXXXXX; > Wilma.Wilkins@XXXXXX; LStout8209@XXXXXX; sheehado@XXXXXX; > Leo4423@XXXXXX; frdavid@XXXXXX; Keith_Graybeal@XXXXXX; > Edf1@XXXXXX; Builder12@XXXXXX; Frencs@XXXXXX; CTSMITH100@XXXXXX; > SCummins@XXXXXX; joebristo@XXXXXX; WilkiWM@XXXXXX; > Brfrench@XXXXXX; DFrench757@XXXXXX; Hobbit3631@XXXXXX; > dbaggett1@XXXXXX > Subject: Fwd: FW: This you have to read, believe it or not > > <> > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 09:44:39 1999 Return-Path: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX Received: from indus.house.gov (indus.house.gov [143.231.86.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14481 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims04.house.gov (hrmims04.house.gov [143.231.32.160]) by indus.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16962; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims04.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:21:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: jdf4m@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thedog@XXXXXX, TZimm2450@XXXXXX Cc: Bowlingmaniac@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX, Wilma.Wilkins@XXXXXX, LStout8209@XXXXXX, sheehado@XXXXXX, Leo4423@XXXXXX, frdavid@XXXXXX, Keith_Graybeal@XXXXXX, Edf1@XXXXXX, Builder12@XXXXXX, Frencs@XXXXXX, CTSMITH100@XXXXXX, SCummins@XXXXXX, joebristo@XXXXXX, WilkiWM@XXXXXX, Brfrench@XXXXXX, DFrench757@XXXXXX, Hobbit3631@XXXXXX, dbaggett1@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FW: This you have to read, believe it or not Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:21:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Hey y'all, I'm still pretty new to the list but I just wanted to let you know that S.602P is not as serious as everyone makes it out to be. I work on the House side and the word here is that this bill is just a bunch of propaganda -- don't worry too much about it, the U.S. Postal Service cannot charge you for using your email -- only the FCC can and they have no reason to charge you for your email use. If you want to read more about the bill go to http://thomas.loc.gov/ and type in s.602 -- you'll see that this bill is only used to take away the right of the FCC to enact an email tax -- a tax they wouldn't dream of enacting anyway. I hope this helps some seth '98 TLR '90 VFR > ---------- > From: TZimm2450@XXXXXX[SMTP:TZimm2450@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 1:56 PM > To: jdf4m@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; > thedog@XXXXXX > Cc: Bowlingmaniac@XXXXXX; zbig@XXXXXX; > Wilma.Wilkins@XXXXXX; LStout8209@XXXXXX; sheehado@XXXXXX; > Leo4423@XXXXXX; frdavid@XXXXXX; Keith_Graybeal@XXXXXX; > Edf1@XXXXXX; Builder12@XXXXXX; Frencs@XXXXXX; CTSMITH100@XXXXXX; > SCummins@XXXXXX; joebristo@XXXXXX; WilkiWM@XXXXXX; > Brfrench@XXXXXX; DFrench757@XXXXXX; Hobbit3631@XXXXXX; > dbaggett1@XXXXXX > Subject: Fwd: FW: This you have to read, believe it or not > > <> > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 10:29:13 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15191 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-246.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.246]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11311 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:28:44 -0500 Message-ID: <028b01bf4afe$dfde4e20$6ba4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Polar Bear Run Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:28:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell >can you give me the PARR website please? ...snip Sure. http://www.potomacarearoadriders.org Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 11:01:27 1999 Return-Path: mehran7@XXXXXX Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (web118.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15744 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21490 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 1999 16:01:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19991220160110.21489.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.49.117.219] by web118.yahoomail.com; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:01:10 PST Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:01:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mehran Subject: BEWARE of a Motorcycle Theft Ring Operation !!!!!!! To: Aaron Randolph , DC Cycles List , robert@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had my '99 R1 Stolen recently from Gaithersburg. I had a detective friend of mine check into motorcycle theft operations in our area. It turns out that the State Police is investigating a motorcycle theft ring that's been occuring from Frederick to Ocean City. The thieves are professionals and the police have two arrests so far. But they haven't cracked the operation yet. My bike was cable locked to another bike, alarmed and disc locked with a cover. Yet they cut the cable and took off with it. They didn't even touch the other bike. They seem to know what's hot. Just thought you folks might want to know. Protect those bikes. I don't know what else I could have done to protect mine. Thank God I had full coverage. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 13:15:27 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18015 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19271 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25982 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11209 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:15:16 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991220131324.00d1a270@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:15:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: So quiet today Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I am finally dry and warm after this morning's ride in. The rain doesn't bother me as much as the faceshield fog does. My rear end only slid out twice....both were nothing to get excited about. Now I just need waterproof boots. Mine have little vents for summer riding. Wasn't a problem until today. DOH! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 13:49:48 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18501 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:49:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19550 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28771 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA12727; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:49:15 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:47:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'Troutman'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: So quiet today Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:47:19 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I must confess that today was my first non-riding day since I got my bike. I had to go to Fairfax County court to appear as a witness in the case against the lady who hit and ran my bike. Essentially she pleaded guilty and had to pay a $150.00 fine and she lost her license for 6 months. Of course, my case was the last one called so I got another day of entertainment watching society's finest being run through our jurisprudence system. Some thoughts on the day: 1. If you have half a brain, go to court. Just making a sound, reasoned argument can either lesson your fine or eliminate it. I saw people without the skills necessary to operate a doorknob, much less a car, get off scot-free (no offense to our Scottish visitors) I must admit, the judge was a softy and most of the officers present did not care for him. 2. If you have less than half a brain, at least wear a clean shirt-you'd be ahead of much of the competition and the judge will appreciate the change of pace. 3. I cannot commend Officer Griffin of the Fairfax County police enough for his work. Without his obtaining a confession from the perpetrator, I would have been hosed. My carrier denied the claim based on the lack of collision coverage, a coverage I didn't understand until now. 4. If you have failed to appear three times for various court dates and have had your bond relinquished twice already, you are in jail for another offense and you must appear in traffic court in jailhouse garb, try asking for release on your own recognizance anyway, at least you will give the courtroom a good laugh. 5. I will win the Isle of Mann TT in the open class on a Honda Goldwing trike equipped with trailer before I ever do business with Progressive insurance again. Sorry to waste the bandwidth but I need IT advice, does anyone recommend a local or internet dealer for motherboards and CPU's? I am looking at giving myself new PC guts for Christmas. I am looking for sites dealers that you feel treat people right. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA I am finally dry and warm after this morning's ride in. The rain doesn't bother me as much as the faceshield fog does. My rear end only slid out twice....both were nothing to get excited about. Now I just need waterproof boots. Mine have little vents for summer riding. Wasn't a problem until today. DOH! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 14:05:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18897 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19709 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA00779 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 20 Dec 1999 21:58:23 UT Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:04 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" , "mike@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: So quiet today Message-ID: <19991220140540837-24fe0f1c@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Right around the corner from you... Practical Computers on Port Royal Rd. (Braddock Rd and the Beltway... if coming from Annadale make a left at the Mobil) Go and talk to Allan... he's a really good guy and knows his stuff. Their prices are reasonable. Later, Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: So quiet today Author: bernescut@XXXXXX Date: 12/20/1999 1:47 PM Sorry to waste the bandwidth but I need IT advice, does anyone recommend a local or internet dealer for motherboards and CPU's? I am looking at giving myself new PC guts for Christmas. I am looking for sites dealers that you feel treat people right. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 14:10:48 1999 Return-Path: tansey@XXXXXX Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18910 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04057 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:06:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:06:18 -0500 (EST) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: BEWARE of a Motorcycle Theft Ring Operation !!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <19991220160110.21489.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Mehran wrote: > My bike was cable locked to another bike, alarmed and > disc locked with a cover. Yet they cut the cable and > took off with it. They didn't even touch the other > bike. They seem to know what's hot. I suppose I'm lucky I only got the mirror ripped off mine, literally. I kept my bike under a cover, disc locked in my front yard (of a townhouse) all summer without incident. Of course, now it's in storage so I won't have to worry until spring. (Yes, I'm a fair-weather rider.) Shannon From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 14:51:48 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19593 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19977 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05071 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A91618BA009C; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:52:54 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Mon, 20 Dec 99 14:52:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Troutman Subject: Re: So quiet today Message-Id: <199912201452218.SM00206@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:15:14 -0500 > The rain doesn't bother me as much as the faceshield fog does. > Now I just need waterproof boots. I'm pretty much the same way. With the Gerbing suit I've got, the only places I get wet are my feet, my hands, and my face because I've got to keep the faceshield up a little so I can see. It is SOOOO nice not to have to futz with rain gear anymore. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 14:59:05 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f221.hotmail.com [209.185.130.159]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19674 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49184 invoked by uid 0); 20 Dec 1999 19:58:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19991220195855.49183.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:58:54 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Its VERY Quiet!!! Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:58:54 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello?! Anyone else go to work today and find that lots of others are taking this week off? I rode to work today on my Honda PC. Stayed nice and warm and dry thanks to new pair of mittens my wife gave me early, Alpina "water proof" boots and Kilimanjaro jacket and pants. Mittens say Z-tech and Manzella on outside. Never heard of them before. She got them at a ski shop near Gore Mt in New York. She "tested" them skiing, then got another pair. Nice of her. First time I've had warm hands above 60 MPH and below 40 degrees. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 17:43:58 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22296 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id ZC9PSHAV; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:44:01 -0500 Message-ID: <01b601bf4b3b$a2b6b5e0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: Subject: Non-Moto: Web page development help needed Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:43:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 I think there are many web developers on this list, so here it goes: I need to develop a web page for my father. We are putting together a site for his WWII Division. Its will be a simple page with history, pictures, battlemaps and information about the current 89th Infantry Division Society and reunions. Is there someone out there that can help teach me how to set up and publish a site using Microsoft Frontpage? I am willing to pay (if needed). I think that most of the work would be in showing me how to do it. Maybe 4-5 hours max. Also, recommending an ISP and helping me put it on the web would be important. Thanks, Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 18:02:29 1999 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA22693 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts003d40.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.148] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:02:22 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Hoolaginistic behaviour.. Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:56:28 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bf4b3d$731e0a20$94ec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Ok all you weanies out there who think you can pull a wheelie, or do a stoppie (which, in all reality, probably only has the wheel 1~2 INCHES off the ground...) Time to go to school.... In session here: http://www.garyrothwell.com *grin* Some of these clips are so amazing I'm STILL watching them.. Ahh, to have a mentor... ;) Brian McCoy - MMI Student From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 19:13:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23843 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21533 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:13:43 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA01858 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id v.0.4b009a71 (4505); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:13:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.4b009a71.2590202b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:13:31 EST Subject: Re: bike humor.... sort of... To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! MY EYES!!! MY EYES!!!!!!!!! Scooter In a message dated 12/19/1999 3:58:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX writes: << If you dont like tasteless humor, dont go here. If you do, you'll see why they call Kawasaki's Cows... http://www.crazyshit.com/pics/amaftbike.html youve been warned. sgp >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 19:32:17 1999 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA24172 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts003d40.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.148] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:32:11 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Drool.. Aprillia SL1000 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:26:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000801bf4b49$ffa59240$94ec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 umm.. first, look at the pictures: http://www.motorcycledaily.com/sl1000.html Then drool with me. Yes, the face of motorcyling is getting more and more exciting as the days pass.. what else will tempt me to spend vast sums of money I don't have, putting me even further into debt, but all the more happy all the while? Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 19:43:04 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24333 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:43:03 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id n.0.dc226779 (4505); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:41:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.dc226779.259026d4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:41:56 EST Subject: Re: How to subscribe? To: rdtesq@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Go to www.dc-cycles.org. It has all the info you need. Scooter In a message dated 12/19/1999 11:26:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, rdtesq@XXXXXX writes: << Can someone refresh my memory on how to subscribe? I am switching my ISP to Freewwweb. Why pay $190 per year when I can get free access?! By the way, does anyone have any experience using Freewwweb? Roy D. Turner, Esq. >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 20 23:55:28 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA28273 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (216-164-137-64.s318.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.137.64]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12205 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:54:47 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991220234945.020414b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:54:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Who's riding Wednesday? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have learned not to trust the NWS, but here ya go...first snow of the season....this might be a good time for me to mount those D207s that have been sitting in my basement for a month..... ==================== Tonight...cloudy. Lows around 40. Winds becoming northwest 10 mph. Tuesday...mostly cloudy with a chance of light rain during the afternoon. Highs in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent. Tuesday night...cloudy with light rain likely. The rain will change to snow after midnight. Lows in the upper 20s. Chance of precipitation 60 percent. ==================== I might try to ride Wednesday - just to see the look of a Harley ridin' co-worker that put about 100 miles on his Sportster this summer. Then again, maybe not. If anyone cares, I threw my Hawaii trip pics up tonight. No solid text yet, but the pics are all there : http://www.troutman.org/trips/oahu I may have to go back in January, and a fellow Viffer from the _other_ list so many of you are on has invited me to pay a call on him. I would have rented an R6 or F4 on island, but for $150 a day.... I didn't want to ride in the rain that badly. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 00:27:40 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28823 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA25315 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:33:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002501bf4b74$a1497a60$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: References: <4.2.0.58.19991220234945.020414b0@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Who's riding Wednesday? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:31:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hope the road doesn't turn into the nice ice patch that it turned into last year at this time... that would suck... especially with our brand new car! Tom '86 VFR750 '00 Formula 6spd From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 00:38:26 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29215 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-109-50.s50.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.50] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 120HyO-0003Ud-00; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:36:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000901bf4b75$658476a0$326daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: "D-Tech" Body armor Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:36:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Does anyone know anything about this armor or backprotector. Is it good? How about best price? Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 08:57:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08919 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24635 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:57:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28783 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:57:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A73B83A01F6; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:57:15 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Date: Tue, 21 Dec 99 08:57:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So quiet today Message-Id: <199912210857598.SM00190@piglet.toward.com> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman >My rear end only slid out >twice....both were nothing to get excited about. Might want to see a Doctor about that, though. >Now I just need waterproof boots. Mine have little vents for summer >riding. Wasn't a problem until today. DOH! I've never found a pair of truly waterproof boots, or been able to truly waterproof leather. Water-resistant, maybe. The new goretex-lined boots sound promising. Wearing goretex ('sealskin'?) socks would be good for the feet but the leather would still get wet. So I 'waterproof' my leather boots regularly, and just use boot covers if I'll be in the rain for very long (or if it's raining more than sprinkling). TourMaster has some effective boot covers, about $20 I recall, available through DennisKirk. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 09:26:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09340 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24771 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:26:20 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29770 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip209.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip209.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.209]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA08669; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:26:11 -0800 (PST) To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So quiet today Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:29:39 GMT Message-ID: <385fb863.290823552@mail.earthlink.net> References: <4.2.0.58.19991220131324.00d1a270@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991220131324.00d1a270@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found out on the ex250 web board that you can use a small thin film of dish detergent on the inside of your visor to get rid of the fog. It works great! Maybe I'll try it on my cage(s) too. But if you use too much instead of fog you get a slight blur. So less is more. :) On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:15:14 -0500, you wrote: |>I am finally dry and warm after this morning's ride in. The rain = doesn't=20 |>bother me as much as the faceshield fog does. My rear end only slid = out=20 |>twice....both were nothing to get excited about. |> |>Now I just need waterproof boots. Mine have little vents for summer=20 |>riding. Wasn't a problem until today. DOH! |> |>___________________________________________ |> Mike Troutman |> http://www.troutman.org/vfr |> |> '97 Honda VFR 750 |> |> Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 09:35:11 1999 Return-Path: tansey@XXXXXX Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09564 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23128 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:30:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:30:42 -0500 (EST) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Subject: Non-Moto-sorta (Salvage title) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Quick question... mom bought a slightly used Forerunner Sunday and wants to make sure it's not a flood/salvage vehicle. I can't find anything on the DMV site about the process. Can she just head down to DMV with the title and have them do a search for the original title? I seem to remember that if a auto is flooded and somehow finds it's way back into the market, there's a designation on a title somewhere before it changes hands... something like that. Anyone have any insights on this? Thanks, Shannon From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 09:35:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09566 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24819 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:35:05 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00138 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip209.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip209.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.209]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA20549; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:34:59 -0800 (PST) To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" Cc: "'Troutman'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: So quiet today Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:38:26 GMT Message-ID: <385fb995.291129887@mail.earthlink.net> References: <01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@ncea.org> In-Reply-To: <01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@ncea.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very entertaining stuff about the courtroom... I've always thought about.. Hmm I have $1xx in tickets.. I wonder.. If I call the cop up before the day of court and ask him to take my cash of exactly the same amount and deliver it to the fund for slain officers on the same day and time of trial, I wonder if he'd do that heh. So he knows i'm not getting off on the fine, but it just doesn't go on my record, and hey the fund gets a little donation too :) On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:47:19 -0500, you wrote: |>5. I will win the Isle of Mann TT in the open class on a Honda = Goldwing=20 |>trike equipped with trailer before I ever do business with Progressive=20 |>insurance again. I will avoid them too. |>Sorry to waste the bandwidth but I need IT advice, does anyone = recommend a=20 |>local or internet dealer for motherboards and CPU's? I am looking at=20 |>giving myself new PC guts for Christmas. I am looking for sites = dealers=20 |>that you feel treat people right. I would get stuff off of ebay.. it's where people practically junk their stuff and they have some good prices. I was browsing it last night, since i want to sell a friend a pc and wanted to compare how much my pc was worth and the lowest it went for, so I could give him a good deal. If not there, then i'd check out www.pricewatch.com and also search dejanews for the company name you intend to deal with and see if there are good or bad things said about them. Or if not, then the computer shows that often go to colleges in the area. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 09:46:09 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09744 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12489 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 1999 14:45:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19991221144547.12488.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:45:47 PST Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:45:47 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who's riding Wednesday? To: DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I will be. Forecast is for less than an inch of snow, the temp has not been below 32 for the past week, it's only getting down to 28 overnight. If most of that is correct, there will be a little snow on the grass, but the roads will only be wet. It is possible the overpasses might have some snow on them, but if they get out with any salt at all, those will be ok, too. Leon. --- Mike T wrote: > I have learned not to trust the NWS, but here ya > go...first snow of the > season....this might be a good time for me to mount > those D207s that have > been sitting in my basement for a month..... > > ==================== > > Tonight...cloudy. Lows around 40. Winds becoming > northwest 10 mph. > > Tuesday...mostly cloudy with a chance of light rain > during the afternoon. > Highs in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 10 mph. > Chance of rain 40 percent. > > Tuesday night...cloudy with light rain likely. The > rain will change to snow > after midnight. Lows in the upper 20s. Chance of > precipitation 60 percent. > > ==================== > > I might try to ride Wednesday - just to see the look > of a Harley ridin' > co-worker that put about 100 miles on his Sportster > this summer. Then > again, maybe not. > > If anyone cares, I threw my Hawaii trip pics up > tonight. No solid text > yet, but the pics are all there : > http://www.troutman.org/trips/oahu I may > have to go back in January, and a fellow Viffer from > the _other_ list so > many of you are on has invited me to pay a call on > him. I would have > rented an R6 or F4 on island, but for $150 a day.... > I didn't want to ride > in the rain that badly. > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 09:47:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09754 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24942 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00597 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16098 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:47:40 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991221094227.00a21cb0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:47:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: So quiet today In-Reply-To: <385fb995.291129887@mail.earthlink.net> References: <01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@ncea.org> <01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I know I started the thread, but why am I still in the cc: for everyone's replies? I don't work - I read Motorcycle web sites and listserv ramblings and usenet all day. That is the life of the system administrator. I didn't ride in today though - my gear is still wet from yesterday and I have some 'packages' to bring home in the cage tonight. This list needs more controversy. Entering winter slump, and you fools had the gun discussions during riding weather! NOW look where we are! Speaking of guns, I finally got that concealed carry permit. What a sham - take s crappy class, give the state your money and they pretend to do a background check...then WHAM - its legal for you to hide a weapon on or around your person. Amazing. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 09:49:30 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout3-ext.email.verio.net [129.250.36.43]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09764 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:49:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 120QbL-0000GL-00; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:49:23 +0000 Received: from [168.143.30.5] (helo=curley.ravinc.com) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 120Qav-0000vq-00; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:48:58 +0000 Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 21 Dec 1999 09:47:16 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Non-Moto-sorta (Salvage title) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:59:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal You can do a title search at edmunds.com. I think it costs around $20, but gives a complete title history of your car. Don't know if it works for bikes. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 09:52:09 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09842 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:52:08 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip209.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip209.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.209]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA15531; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:52:03 -0800 (PST) To: "Doug Allis" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Its VERY Quiet!!! Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:55:30 GMT Message-ID: <3864bbae.291667187@mail.earthlink.net> References: <19991220195855.49183.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19991220195855.49183.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On a related note, My friend got some fishing type neoprene type of gloves from k-mart (ozark trail) and I think they are supposed to be waterproof? I just put my pinky under the sink, yes they are. (one of the finger seams ripped though oh well, that's how i got them). anyway I had on my summer gloves underneath (for road protection) and while it felt a little bulky, my hands didn't get cold when I was riding in the cooler weather last week. As opposed to my unlined joe rocket gloves which suck protectionwise anyway. I think the neoprene type of gloves cost like $12 but i could be wrong? Maybe the mittons will feel more comfortable. i would think they would make some mittons. I could buy a larger size glove to be more comfy to fit my summer gloves underneath. I think I'll purchase a pair the next time I'm near k-mart. Daniel On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:58:54 PST, you wrote: |>Hello?! Anyone else go to work today and find that lots of others are= =20 |>taking this week off? |> |>I rode to work today on my Honda PC. Stayed nice and warm and dry = thanks to=20 |>new pair of mittens my wife gave me early, Alpina "water proof" boots = and=20 |>Kilimanjaro jacket and pants. Mittens say Z-tech and Manzella on = outside.=20 |>Never heard of them before. She got them at a ski shop near Gore Mt in = New=20 |>York. She "tested" them skiing, then got another pair. Nice of her. = First=20 |>time I've had warm hands above 60 MPH and below 40 degrees. |>______________________________________________________ |>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 09:55:27 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09865 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24971 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00935 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-130.patriot.net [209.249.180.130]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29947; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:53:31 -0500 Message-ID: <385F925A.46D4FB0@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:44:42 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: "bernescut@XXXXXX" , "'Troutman'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: So quiet today References: <01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@ncea.org> <385fb995.291129887@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds like an excellent way to duck the responsibility of taking care of yourself. I'm sure the state will be more than happy to house you and feed you for a few years if you try that stunt. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Very entertaining stuff about the courtroom... I've always thought > about.. Hmm I have $1xx in tickets.. I wonder.. If I call the cop up > before the day of court and ask him to take my cash of exactly the > same amount and deliver it to the fund for slain officers on the same > day and time of trial, I wonder if he'd do that heh. So he knows i'm > not getting off on the fine, but it just doesn't go on my record, and > hey the fund gets a little donation too :) > > On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:47:19 -0500, you wrote: > > |>5. I will win the Isle of Mann TT in the open class on a Honda Goldwing > |>trike equipped with trailer before I ever do business with Progressive > |>insurance again. > > I will avoid them too. > > |>Sorry to waste the bandwidth but I need IT advice, does anyone recommend a > |>local or internet dealer for motherboards and CPU's? I am looking at > |>giving myself new PC guts for Christmas. I am looking for sites dealers > |>that you feel treat people right. > > I would get stuff off of ebay.. it's where people practically junk > their stuff and they have some good prices. I was browsing it last > night, since i want to sell a friend a pc and wanted to compare how > much my pc was worth and the lowest it went for, so I could give him a > good deal. > > If not there, then i'd check out www.pricewatch.com and also search > dejanews for the company name you intend to deal with and see if there > are good or bad things said about them. Or if not, then the computer > shows that often go to colleges in the area. > > Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 10:00:46 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10016 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id ZC9PSH11; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:00:10 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01bf4bc3$ffa87800$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Tansey" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Non-Moto-sorta (Salvage title) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:59:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Go to http://www.carprice.com/ and check out the Lemon Check section. That will cost something, but it is sure easier than a trip to the DMV. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Date: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 9:47 AM Subject: Non-Moto-sorta (Salvage title) >Quick question... mom bought a slightly used Forerunner Sunday and wants >to make sure it's not a flood/salvage vehicle. I can't find anything on >the DMV site about the process. > >Can she just head down to DMV with the title and have them do a search for >the original title? I seem to remember that if a auto is flooded and >somehow finds it's way back into the market, there's a designation on a >title somewhere before it changes hands... something like that. > >Anyone have any insights on this? > >Thanks, > >Shannon From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 10:00:48 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10017 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16163; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:00:00 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991221095914.00a282d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:59:58 -0500 To: mrider@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Who's riding Wednesday? Cc: DCCycles In-Reply-To: <19991221144547.12488.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:45 AM 12/21/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: >I will be. Forecast is for less than an inch of snow, >the temp has not been below 32 for the past week, it's >only getting down to 28 overnight. > >If most of that is correct, there will be a little >snow on the grass, but the roads will only be wet. It >is possible the overpasses might have some snow on >them, but if they get out with any salt at all, those >will be ok, too. When I said 'WHO' I should have added 'BESIDES LEON'. :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 10:03:17 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10045 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (user176.anent.com [208.195.115.176]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 91 (devel) 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA00023; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: <003901bf4bc4$a7de4c20$b073c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Tansey" , "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Non-Moto-sorta (Salvage title) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:04:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Try this http://www.carfax.com/ It a vehicle history reporting service. Cars only unfortunately. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tansey" > Quick question... mom bought a slightly used Forerunner Sunday and wants > to make sure it's not a flood/salvage vehicle. I can't find anything on > the DMV site about the process. > > Can she just head down to DMV with the title and have them do a search for > the original title? I seem to remember that if a auto is flooded and > somehow finds it's way back into the market, there's a designation on a > title somewhere before it changes hands... something like that. > > Anyone have any insights on this? > > Thanks, > > Shannon From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 10:04:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10055 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25013 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01526 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-130.patriot.net [209.249.180.130]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA31268; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:04:03 -0500 Message-ID: <385F94D3.1792C3F3@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:55:15 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So quiet today References: <01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@ncea.org> <01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@XXXXXX> <4.2.0.58.19991221094227.00a21cb0@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm... I was going to try to get a cc without actually owning a gun just to see if I could. I have a couple bows but they'd be a bitch to conceal. Might be able to pack a compact crossbow, but oddly, they're illegal in many states. NC, land of gun racks and such - can't even legally buy a crossbow there. Bill no silencer needed :-> Troutman wrote: > I know I started the thread, but why am I still in the cc: for everyone's > replies? I don't work - I read Motorcycle web sites and listserv ramblings > and usenet all day. That is the life of the system administrator. I > didn't ride in today though - my gear is still wet from yesterday and I > have some 'packages' to bring home in the cage tonight. > > This list needs more controversy. Entering winter slump, and you fools had > the gun discussions during riding weather! NOW look where we are! Speaking > of guns, I finally got that concealed carry permit. What a sham - take s > crappy class, give the state your money and they pretend to do a background > check...then WHAM - its legal for you to hide a weapon on or around your > person. Amazing. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 10:06:13 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10134 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:06:11 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip209.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip209.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.209]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08370; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 07:06:03 -0800 (PST) To: "Mark Kitchell" Cc: "DC Cycles" , Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Web page development help needed Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:09:30 GMT Message-ID: <3865bf2d.292561637@mail.earthlink.net> References: <01b601bf4b3b$a2b6b5e0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> In-Reply-To: <01b601bf4b3b$a2b6b5e0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe there is an online how to, somewhere, and it's pretty easy. I recomend not using front page, from my expereince it just seemed more complicated than what was needed. I would use a regular text editor before I would choose frontpage. There is a version of netscape that has a built in web page creator, that is pretty good. You have to download the right version which specifically says it has that. That would be my choice program for the novice. (or a regular text editore like notepad or textpad). I also use Homesite, which isn't too bad either. I also know that there is a newsgroup with good information on it for making a web page.. it could be alt.html. From there you could find a "frequently asked questions" page, where it would explain everything about how to make a web page. If you have any questions, feel free to email me. Daniel On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:43:24 -0500, you wrote: |>I think there are many web developers on this list, so here it goes: |> |>I need to develop a web page for my father. We are putting together a = site |>for his WWII Division. Its will be a simple page with history, = pictures, |>battlemaps and information about the current 89th Infantry Division = Society |>and reunions. |> |>Is there someone out there that can help teach me how to set up and = publish |>a site using Microsoft Frontpage? I am willing to pay (if needed). I = think |>that most of the work would be in showing me how to do it. Maybe 4-5 = hours |>max. Also, recommending an ISP and helping me put it on the web would = be |>important. |> |>Thanks, |> |>Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 10:14:46 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10224 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from administrator (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA01472 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:20:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00c701bf4bc6$21e496e0$5207a8c0@administrator> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@ncea.org><01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@ncea.org> <4.2.0.58.19991221094227.00a21cb0@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: So quiet today Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:14:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 How about this one... I was showing (minimal show) Chris W. how to do a burnout since my tires are about shagged anyway. Chris caught on really quickly :)! Anyway, since I have new BT56SS's on the way, I was thinking of bringing in the New Year with a hot, smokey burnout till she blows. Anyone want to join me? I was thinking 1-1-00 around noon or so. All are welcome. Never done a burnout till the tire blows, not sure it is such a good idea, but.... Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 10:21:13 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10384 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id ZC9PSH1Z; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:21:10 -0500 Message-ID: <007e01bf4bc6$ee5021e0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Non-Moto: Any Lexus SC300 or SC400 owners out there? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:20:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 If so, please email me. Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 10:28:51 1999 Return-Path: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX Received: from ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net (ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net [207.172.5.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10496 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:28:44 -0500 (EST) From: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX Subject: inflamitory non-moto topics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:33:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN01.Spg.Va/RCN(Release 5.0.2 |November 4, 1999) at 12/21/99 10:34:06 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I tried to get a carry permit for a sword a while back. They were having no part of it. It seems you have to be able to kill yiur prey from a distance and with withering power. All in favor of "culling the herd" James E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 10:31:39 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10589 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16254 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:30:56 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991221102952.00c949c0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:30:49 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: So quiet today In-Reply-To: <00c701bf4bc6$21e496e0$5207a8c0@administrator> References: <01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@ncea.org> <01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@XXXXXX> <4.2.0.58.19991221094227.00a21cb0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:14 AM 12/21/99 , Danny Thompson wrote: >How about this one... I was showing (minimal show) Chris W. how to do a >burnout since my tires are about shagged anyway. Chris caught on really >quickly :)! Anyway, since I have new BT56SS's on the way, I was thinking of >bringing in the New Year with a hot, smokey burnout till she blows. Anyone >want to join me? I was thinking 1-1-00 around noon or so. All are welcome. >Never done a burnout till the tire blows, not sure it is such a good idea, >but.... I thought about doing the same thing since I have these D207s ready to put on. But how do you get the bike to the shop for a new tire afterwards? You happen to be blocks away from Blalock cycle.....I would be miles from home..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 10:45:11 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10812 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A07356E017C; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:44:51 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: "Chris Norloff" Date: Tue, 21 Dec 99 10:44:51 -0500 To: Tansey , "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Non-Moto-sorta (Salvage title) Message-Id: <199912211044833.SM00190@piglet.toward.com> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Tansey >Quick question... mom bought a slightly used Forerunner Sunday and wants >to make sure it's not a flood/salvage vehicle. I can't find anything on >the DMV site about the process. I'd call DMV and ask them. I think not all states participate in flood-marking cars' titles, so flood cars are laundered through those states. NHTSA has some info about salvage vehicles left over from their tests http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/index.html I didn't see anything about flood damage but their 800 phone no. might help you. I'd also try AAA and Consumer Reports magazine. Your insurance company could probably find out, but you might not want to tell them - maybe call a friend's insurance company ? :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 10:46:53 1999 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10822 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:46:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va22-29.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.157]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04616; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:46:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <385FCB80.D0C0D956@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:48:32 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Thompson CC: vfr-digest@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "D-Tech" Body armor References: <000901bf4b75$658476a0$326daccf@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Danny, Never heard of D-Tech. FWIW, I got my back protector (Fieldsheer) from New Enough (http://www.newenough.com). If they still have them, they had a really good deal on 6- and 7-plate back protectors. Click on "Fieldsheer suits" and scroll down to the bottom. I'm really happy with mine (7-plate). Comfortable to wear under my AGV Rage 2-piece suit. But can't tell you how well it would hold up 'cause I haven't crash tested it! :^) But it appears comparable to some of the other "higher end" back protectors I've seen. And the folks at New Enough are really nice. If money is no object, I'd go with a back protector from Knox (http://www.shocking.com/~action/). Regards, Chuck '93 GSXR750 Danny Thompson wrote: > > Does anyone know anything about this armor or backprotector. Is it good? How > about best price? From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 10:51:35 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10913 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from administrator (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA19715 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:49:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <011901bf4bcb$37b1b2a0$5207a8c0@administrator> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@ncea.org><01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@ncea.org><4.2.0.58.19991221094227.00a21cb0@mail.wheatintl.com> <4.2.0.58.19991221102952.00c949c0@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: So quiet today Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:51:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Nice thing about VFR's. Put it on the center stand, take the rear wheel off and cage it in. :) Simple as cake. Costs less that way also. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 10:30 AM Subject: Re: So quiet today > At 10:14 AM 12/21/99 , Danny Thompson wrote: > >How about this one... I was showing (minimal show) Chris W. how to do a > >burnout since my tires are about shagged anyway. Chris caught on really > >quickly :)! Anyway, since I have new BT56SS's on the way, I was thinking of > >bringing in the New Year with a hot, smokey burnout till she blows. Anyone > >want to join me? I was thinking 1-1-00 around noon or so. All are welcome. > >Never done a burnout till the tire blows, not sure it is such a good idea, > >but.... > > I thought about doing the same thing since I have these D207s ready to put > on. But how do you get the bike to the shop for a new tire > afterwards? You happen to be blocks away from Blalock cycle.....I would be > miles from home..... From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 11:02:51 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11088 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:02:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:02:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199912211102.AA258671026@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Who's riding Wednesday? X-Mailer: Agreed. And look for the sand in the road - that's where the traction is. Much better than ice. it works for me, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:45:47 -0800 (PST) >I will be. Forecast is for less than an inch of snow, >the temp has not been below 32 for the past week, it's >only getting down to 28 overnight. > >If most of that is correct, there will be a little >snow on the grass, but the roads will only be wet. It >is possible the overpasses might have some snow on >them, but if they get out with any salt at all, those >will be ok, too. > >Leon. > >--- Mike T wrote: >> I have learned not to trust the NWS, but here ya >> go...first snow of the >> season....this might be a good time for me to mount >> those D207s that have >> been sitting in my basement for a month..... >> >> ==================== >> >> Tonight...cloudy. Lows around 40. Winds becoming >> northwest 10 mph. >> >> Tuesday...mostly cloudy with a chance of light rain >> during the afternoon. >> Highs in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 10 mph. >> Chance of rain 40 percent. >> >> Tuesday night...cloudy with light rain likely. The >> rain will change to snow >> after midnight. Lows in the upper 20s. Chance of >> precipitation 60 percent. >> >> ==================== >> >> I might try to ride Wednesday - just to see the look >> of a Harley ridin' >> co-worker that put about 100 miles on his Sportster >> this summer. Then [message truncated] From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 11:56:46 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11979 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA13871 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:52:07 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:57:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Fresh Rubber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello All, Well, I have just ordered some BT-56 SS's for the CBR- sounds like some other listers have fresh rubber as well. My backup plan is to have them mounted over at CAD in Gaithersburg, but I am wondering if we should have a tire party with the DC-Cycles mounter. I am happy to pay for using it, in dollars or beer. I have no idea where this device resides, so let me know if this is an option. Take Care, and Happy Holidays, Ned Suesse 96 F3 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 12:10:59 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f180.hotmail.com [209.185.131.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12209 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19748 invoked by uid 0); 21 Dec 1999 17:10:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19991221171021.19747.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:10:21 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who's riding Wednesday? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:10:21 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Me. As long as there is no snow on my concrete driveway!!! If I can't get it up the hill to the street I forget it and take the bus. >From: Mike T >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Who's riding Wednesday? >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:54:42 -0500 > >I have learned not to trust the NWS, but here ya go...first snow of the >season....this might be a good time for me to mount those D207s that have >been sitting in my basement for a month ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 14:43:25 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14915 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A8AA276C008A; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:44:42 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Tue, 21 Dec 99 14:44:43 -0500 To: Subject: Re: Who's riding Wednesday? Message-Id: <199912211444265.SM00206@tidalwave.net> For me, it all depends on the road conditions, not the temperature. If the roads are reasonably clear, I'll be riding. Otherwise, it's the snow bike. (Chrysler) We'll see what tomorrow brings. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 15:01:55 1999 Return-Path: kirkfda@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f180.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.180]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15274 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56997 invoked by uid 0); 21 Dec 1999 20:01:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19991221200107.56996.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.151.86.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:01:07 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.151.86.2] From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Water proof boots - was Re: So quiet today Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:01:07 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Chris Norloff" >I've never found a pair of truly waterproof boots I've never gotten my feet wet in my BMW goretex boots. Yes, there were pricey (almost $300) but well worth it. Even after extended rain (6+ hours in steady rain) or extended days of rain (commuting everyday in a rainy week) my feet stay high and dry. I'm too lazy for boot covers. Kirk ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 15:31:23 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15847 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 120Vw0-0004pQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:31:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:31:02 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So quiet today In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991221094227.00a21cb0@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Woo hoo,I picked up my Browning Buckmark Plus yesterday. Not as exciting as getting a new bike but it's a lot of fun and fits easily into my tankbag. Anyone know what the laws in Virgina are concerning carrying firearms on a motorcycle? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 15:51:56 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16259 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA14908; Tue, 21 Dec 1971 15:54:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1971 15:54:39 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: welder recommendation wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I need some aluminum welded---any suggestion as to who? "Good" rather then "cheap" for this one. Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 15:55:53 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f228.hotmail.com [209.185.130.166]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16282 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:55:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 71583 invoked by uid 0); 21 Dec 1999 20:55:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19991221205519.71582.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:55:19 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC PC Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:55:19 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed HMMMM... this might work: Mom can take her usual spot on back and I could put (really stuff) the 2 year old in the PC's trunk (if I split her in half) and the 5 year old can ride on the "gas tank"!!! But then again maybe this isn't such a good idea, I might get charged with child abuse. Anybody have a sidehack for a Honda PC? >From: rocheux@XXXXXX >To: dhallis@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: DC PC >Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:41:21 -0500 > >Come on Doug, one kid toa saddlebag! Or get a sidehack. >Rocky > >On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:12:21 PST "Doug Allis" >writes: > > Unfortunately I need a couple of weeks notice to get babysitter! > > Otherwise > > my wife gets annoyed that she can't come. Or she threatens to leave > > me with > > the kids! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 16:49:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17210 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28275 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:49:21 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12590 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip160.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip160.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.160]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26288; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:49:00 -0800 (PST) To: Bill Huson Cc: "bernescut@XXXXXX" , "'Troutman'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: So quiet today Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:52:21 GMT Message-ID: <38601d25.316621935@mail.earthlink.net> References: <01BF4AF0.BCD75BA0.bernescut@ncea.org> <385fb995.291129887@mail.earthlink.net> <385F925A.46D4FB0@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <385F925A.46D4FB0@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:44:42 -0500, you wrote: |>That sounds like an excellent way to duck the responsibility of taking = care of |>yourself. I'm sure the state will be more than happy to house you and = feed you |>for a few years if you try that stunt. I doubt it.. I was once charged with carrying a deadly weapon without a permit because i was wearing a knife. The prosecuter's terms were something like "make a contribution to the officers fund and we'll do " such and such I forgot what it was.. either stet docate or something like that.. =20 Anyway I refused and did things the hard way because the cop lied about probable cause, (his whole report was a lie, and he said he smelled marijuana and I have never used it and it definitely wasn't in my presence at any time near that day) , so I didn't think he'd have the audacity to lie in court.. and he did... so anyway, I was convicted, i appealed that, and the judge gave me time served or something.=20 Oh but on the appeal, I asked the judge if i could take the prosecutors orginal offer, and he was like "no that would be imoral", which I thought the first time.... but.. in this current system of INjustice.. I think I'll just go with the flow.. what goes around comes around, karma to evil people I say!!!! So anyway where do you think I got the idea? A prosecutor heh heh. And is it actual bribery if you're making a donation to the police fund? Wouldn't be my fault if the cop was stealing from the fund :) My luck the cop would take the money put it in the fund and show up to court heh heh. Anyway I was just theorizing.. I haven't had a ticket in three years so.. it's academic. Daniel |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |> |>> Very entertaining stuff about the courtroom... I've always thought |>> about.. Hmm I have $1xx in tickets.. I wonder.. If I call the cop up |>> before the day of court and ask him to take my cash of exactly the |>> same amount and deliver it to the fund for slain officers on the same |>> day and time of trial, I wonder if he'd do that heh. So he knows i'm |>> not getting off on the fine, but it just doesn't go on my record, and |>> hey the fund gets a little donation too :) |>> |>> On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:47:19 -0500, you wrote: |>> |>> |>5. I will win the Isle of Mann TT in the open class on a Honda = Goldwing |>> |>trike equipped with trailer before I ever do business with = Progressive |>> |>insurance again. |>> |>> I will avoid them too. |>> |>> |>Sorry to waste the bandwidth but I need IT advice, does anyone = recommend a |>> |>local or internet dealer for motherboards and CPU's? I am looking = at |>> |>giving myself new PC guts for Christmas. I am looking for sites = dealers |>> |>that you feel treat people right. |>> |>> I would get stuff off of ebay.. it's where people practically junk |>> their stuff and they have some good prices. I was browsing it last |>> night, since i want to sell a friend a pc and wanted to compare how |>> much my pc was worth and the lowest it went for, so I could give him = a |>> good deal. |>> |>> If not there, then i'd check out www.pricewatch.com and also search |>> dejanews for the company name you intend to deal with and see if = there |>> are good or bad things said about them. Or if not, then the computer |>> shows that often go to colleges in the area. |>> |>> Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 19:29:47 1999 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA19791 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts007d36.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.237.96] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:29:41 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Waterproof boots.. Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:23:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01bf4c12$d6d68ad0$60ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I have to say that my Sidi boots (the Combat Touring boots from Aerostich) only let my feet get wet if I ride more than 2 days in a row in heavy rain and I can't dry them at night (was really wet and humid a couple summers ago).. Now, after 3 years of use, a couple soles, and 40K+ (?) miles, the seams are starting to give way.. but I'm living in a desert - no need for waterproof.. heh, and Kirk, you say you're lazy? I moved somewhere it doesn't rain to avoid rain protection.. ;) Brian McCoy - MMI Phoenix From: "Kirk Roy" >From: "Chris Norloff" >I've never found a pair of truly waterproof boots I've never gotten my feet wet in my BMW goretex boots. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 22:44:34 1999 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22822 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:44:33 -0500 (EST) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.0.2f9f7ad4 (4442) for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:43:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.2f9f7ad4.2591a2fd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:43:57 EST Subject: Re: firearms in VA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Hugh, you can't go wrong with Permit to carry concealed. Anything else puts you in legal jepardy. Concealed may be up to the interpretation of the officer. Nice pistol. I really like the Browning. Have fun. Jeff Join the NRA protect my right to own Fireams:) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 21 23:27:55 1999 Return-Path: robert@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23576 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:27:54 -0500 (EST) From: robert@XXXXXX Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQhuqj21777 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 04:27:52 GMT Message-ID: <38605427.90D39B38@otaku.org> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:31:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Insurance Claim, questions, etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've never delt with a stolen vehicle claim before, and would appreciate any advice from anyone who has as to whether this sounds like standard practice. So far my claim with Nationwide has gone like this: Initially I reported the incident to them on 12/11. Sometime on Tuesday (12/14 I believe) I got a voice mail (at home, during the day even though they have my work number) from an investigator at Nationwide. I called back the next day relatively early and still didn't get a call that day. Anyway, sometime on wednesday or thursday I got some paperwork in the mail. This consisted of an "Affidavit of Vehicle Theft," a "Records Release" form, and a "DMV Power of Attorney." Finally today I got in touch with the investigator (left a message, actually got a reasonably prompt callback). Basically she asked me for all of the information that's on the Affidavit and recorded the conversation with some sort of recording device. Apparently I still need to return the signed and notarized affidavit, along with the other paperwork. Some things I'm wondering about: 1. Is my experience so far pretty normal? 2. It seems that the power of attorney document would basically authorize them to take my bike (if it were actually recovered) whether or not they pay the claim. Anyone know if this is the case? Anyone know a lawyer I could talk to about this? 3. What's the purpose of recording me and asking me to fill out a form with the same information? Are they hoping that I'll report some little bit of information inconsistently so they can screw me over or what? Thanks for the help. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 08:25:50 1999 Return-Path: redbelly@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02633 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.49.200]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA2739063 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:25:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3860D131.41561427@boo.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:25:05 -0500 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Aerostich water proofing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all who have Stitch suits. What have you done to make them more water proof? My problem areas are in the biceps and thighs, I don't think it is the seams. I do Scotch Guard the suit every other month and that helps some but makes it really stiff for the first few days. Any advice would be great. Thanks!! Jay From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 08:45:25 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02985 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-7.patriot.net [209.249.180.7]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA21057; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:45:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3860D3D9.3398D612@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:36:25 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay Goddard CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing References: <3860D131.41561427@boo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh my ! The Stitch suit leaks !!! The fancy butt all-weather riding gear that costs about the same as a house payment LEAKS !!! If it didn't cost so dern much I'd say that's almost funny. Bill Jay Goddard wrote: > To all who have Stitch suits. What have you done to make them more > water proof? My problem areas are in the biceps and thighs, I don't > think it is the seams. I do Scotch Guard the suit every other month and > that helps some but makes it really stiff for the first few days. Any > advice would be great. > > Thanks!! > > Jay From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 09:10:38 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03566 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) id <0FN500E01BC2YE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:09:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FN500E1MBC2TV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:09:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA20089 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:07:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991222140858.WEEN11611@toddnt> for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:08:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:06:36 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Insurance Claim, questions, etc. In-reply-to: <38605427.90D39B38@otaku.org> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000001bf4c85$c24079f0$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: robert@XXXXXX [mailto:robert@XXXXXX] > > I've never delt with a stolen vehicle claim before, and would appreciate > any advice from anyone who has as to whether this sounds like standard > practice. > > Some things I'm wondering about: > > 1. Is my experience so far pretty normal? I've never had your experience and never hope to either. > 2. It seems that the power of attorney document would basically > authorize them to take my bike (if it were actually recovered) whether > or not they pay the claim. Anyone know if this is the case? Anyone > know a lawyer I could talk to about this? I don't know that your insurance company is in the business of confiscation or reposession. Now, your bank on the other hand. I think they have this in the case the bike comes back after 30-days. > 3. What's the purpose of recording me and asking me to fill out a form > with the same information? Are they hoping that I'll report some little > bit of information inconsistently so they can screw me over or what? > Can it be that since this is a theft that they are taking extraordinary steps to protect themselves against fraud? Fwiw, insurance companies typically allow 30 days to pass before settling a theft claim. > Thanks for the help. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 09:20:51 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03997 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:20:49 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525684F.004E813D ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:17:28 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525684F.004BF441.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:17:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Gotta agree with you here. For the price of those suits, they should be 100 percent guaranteed not to leak for at least the first 12 months or 12 thousand miles (which ever comes first) :) I once had a pair of Sparton bib overalls that did a fine job of keeping me dry. They didn't leak until they got old and tattered. And they only cost me $50. Not to mention how much better they were at keeping me warm. Don't get me wrong. I have a lot of respect for quality merchandise and I don't mind paying premium dollar for stuff that is truly superior. But charging the better part of a grand for an "All Weather Riding Suit" that can't keep the water out seems a little ridiculous to me. Steve >>Oh my ! The Stitch suit leaks !!! The fancy butt all-weather riding gear that costs about the same as a house payment LEAKS !!! If it didn't cost so dern much I'd say that's almost funny. << From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 09:25:18 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f86.hotmail.com [209.185.131.149]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04070 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50199 invoked by uid 0); 22 Dec 1999 14:24:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19991222142432.50198.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:24:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:24:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed You can't. Not permanently anyway. I'd say you should sell it used for an outrageously high price and then buy a new Firstgear Kilamanjaro jacket and pants for about $100 less. I've been wearing this outfit since it first came out -- about 4 years ago. I've NEVER been wet when all the vents are closed. I've never applied any sort of waterproofing stuff to it either. My only complaint: my pants don't close tight at the ankles. I have to stuff them down my boots to avoid getting air up my leg. I saw recently that Firstgear has changed the design to solve this problem. They added velcro fasteners to the bottom of the legs. Sure to start a flame war (what the hell, its a slow day): I firmly believe that Aerostich suits are perhaps the most over rated/priced motorcycle wear you can get. Well... maybe I should add that I haven't bought any Harley Davidson clothing in a loooong time. >Jay Goddard wrote: > >To all who have Stitch suits. What have you done to make them more >water proof? My problem areas are in the biceps and thighs, I don't >think it is the seams. I do Scotch Guard the suit every other month and >that helps some but makes it really stiff for the first few days. Any >advice would be great. > > > Thanks!! > Jay > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 09:25:52 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04080 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:25:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:25:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199912220925.AA46072170@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: dc-cycles , Jay Goddard Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Jay Goddard >To all who have Stitch suits. What have you done to make them more >water proof? My problem areas are in the biceps and thighs, I don't >think it is the seams. I do Scotch Guard the suit every other month and >that helps some but makes it really stiff for the first few days. Any >advice would be great. I wash my suit in NikWax TechWash (available through Aerostich) twice a year, and that does it for treating the surface. Thigh and leg leaks are often due to the inner zipper flap getting folded out of the way, or the storm flap on the fly zipper not being correctly positioned. If that doesn't work, the Aerostich folks recommend using seam sealant on the cloth tapes that hold the zipper teeth in place. I also use wax on the zipper teeth themselves to make the zippers work easier and perhaps fill any gaps between the teeth. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 09:29:33 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04225 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:29:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:29:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199912220929.AA68419970@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson >Oh my ! The Stitch suit leaks !!! The fancy butt all-weather riding gear >that costs about the same as a house payment LEAKS !!! If it didn't cost so >dern much I'd say that's almost funny. I wish I had YOUR house payment, sounds like a good deal to me. Yes, Aerostich Roadcrafter suits can leak, most often around the zippers (the fly zipper is the most common). The tradeoff is between ease of donning & doffing versus no zippers or using waterproof zippers. Personally I prefer the Roadcrafter, though many people prefer the Darien, which is as waterproof as a rainsuit. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 09:38:26 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.nai.com (relay2.nai.com [161.69.3.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04426 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by relay2.nai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA10144 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM na-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Wed Dec 22 06:42:09 1999 -0800 Received: by dns-3-71.dhcp.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:39:05 -0800 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2A29@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Doug Allis'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Aerostich water proofing Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:35:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug, I have to agree completely with your recommendation of the Kilimanjaro. Not only is it warm and waterproof, but it has excellent impact and abrasion protection. I can speak from experience on that... Perry -----Original Message----- From: Doug Allis [mailto:dhallis@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 9:25 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing You can't. Not permanently anyway. I'd say you should sell it used for an outrageously high price and then buy a new Firstgear Kilamanjaro jacket and pants for about $100 less. I've been wearing this outfit since it first came out -- about 4 years ago. I've NEVER been wet when all the vents are closed. I've never applied any sort of waterproofing stuff to it either. My only complaint: my pants don't close tight at the ankles. I have to stuff them down my boots to avoid getting air up my leg. I saw recently that Firstgear has changed the design to solve this problem. They added velcro fasteners to the bottom of the legs. Sure to start a flame war (what the hell, its a slow day): I firmly believe that Aerostich suits are perhaps the most over rated/priced motorcycle wear you can get. Well... maybe I should add that I haven't bought any Harley Davidson clothing in a loooong time. >Jay Goddard wrote: > >To all who have Stitch suits. What have you done to make them more >water proof? My problem areas are in the biceps and thighs, I don't >think it is the seams. I do Scotch Guard the suit every other month and >that helps some but makes it really stiff for the first few days. Any >advice would be great. > > > Thanks!! > Jay > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 09:41:31 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04501 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellu9wly) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 120mwj-0002C1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:40:57 -0500 Message-ID: <052f01bf4c8a$68543490$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:39:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Alright... before all you aerostich-nay-sayers get out of hand, I've ridden in driving rain a couple of times since getting my suit back at the beginning of november. All I have to say, is that my Aerostich fits exaclty the way I want it to, is warm as hell, and ONLY leaks at the places where different sections of the garment zipper together. And, mine ONLY leaked after riding in that rain for long distances. The couple short rides I was on in the rain, and nothing got wet at all. I had to ride once from my house in Annandale, Va out to Bowie, MD out to College Park, MD, and back down to Annandale I had a tiny bit of leaking... In the lap area, where the jacke and pants zip together, and a little bit on my upper arms (and that's only because I forgot to zipper the underarm vents completely closed). I love my 'stich. Also, I have yet to use any "waterproofing" products yet. I'm sure it will perform even better once I get around to that... Kirt -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff To: dc-cycles ; Jay Goddard Date: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Jay Goddard >>To all who have Stitch suits. What have you done to make them more >>water proof? My problem areas are in the biceps and thighs, I don't >>think it is the seams. I do Scotch Guard the suit every other month and >>that helps some but makes it really stiff for the first few days. Any >>advice would be great. > > >I wash my suit in NikWax TechWash (available through Aerostich) twice a year, and that does it for treating the surface. > >Thigh and leg leaks are often due to the inner zipper flap getting folded out of the way, or the storm flap on the fly zipper not being correctly positioned. If that doesn't work, the Aerostich folks recommend using seam sealant on the cloth tapes that hold the zipper teeth in place. I also use wax on the zipper teeth themselves to make the zippers work easier and perhaps fill any gaps between the teeth. > >Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 09:41:57 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04514 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) id <0FN500201CSVX5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:41:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FN500MI6CSV2E@XXXXXX>; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:41:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA06218; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:39:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991222144041.WJPI11611@toddnt>; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:40:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:38:19 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Aerostich water proofing In-reply-to: <8525684F.004BF441.00@goliath.intelsol.com> To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000901bf4c8a$309f0930$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I gotta agree too on the account of wx protection. However, the AeroStich isn't marketed as an all wx suit. It's main appeal is the protection it offers in case of a get-off. I don't own one so I don't have any first hand experience with them, but from those who do own them I have heard nothing but applause. And some of these people have gone down with the suit, no severe injuries. The price of these garments definitely is high, but like they say, "What's your skin worth?". Todd (Darien Jacket and ...ahem...blue jeans :| > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX [mailto:Steve_Beck@XXXXXX] > > Gotta agree with you here. For the price of those suits, they should be > 100 percent guaranteed not to leak for at least the first 12 months or 12 > thousand miles (which ever comes first) :) > > I once had a pair of Sparton bib overalls that did a fine job of > keeping me > dry. They didn't leak until they got old and tattered. And they only cost > me $50. Not to mention how much better they were at keeping me warm. > > Don't get me wrong. I have a lot of respect for quality merchandise and I > don't mind paying premium dollar for stuff that is truly superior. But > charging the better part of a grand for an "All Weather Riding Suit" > that can't keep the water out seems a little ridiculous to me. > > Steve > > > > >>Oh my ! The Stitch suit leaks !!! The fancy butt all-weather > riding gear > that costs about the same as a house payment LEAKS !!! If it didn't cost > so > dern much I'd say that's almost funny. > << > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 09:50:55 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04833 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:50:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:50:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199912220950.AA7209378@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "dc-cycles" , "Kirt S." Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Kirt S." >I had a tiny bit of leaking... In the lap area, where the >jacke and pants zip together Ah, you have a 2-piece Roadcrafter. They have an advantage over the 1-piece in that you can 'blouse' the jacket bottom out over the pants - this reduces the puddling of water on the fly zipper. Other things I've found to prevent the fly zipper leaking -- be sure the outer zipper flap is correctly positioned, and the velcro is holding it well - this usually requires attending to it directly, and not just brushing it closed. Also, seam sealer on the zipper cloth (that holds the zipper teeth) helps, as does wax on the zipper teeth. That said, I can ride all day in light rain, commute in any rain, and not get wet. If I'm going to ride all day in moderate rain, I put a rainsuit over my Roadcrafter. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 09:57:19 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05062 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-110.patriot.net [209.249.180.110]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29088; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:57:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3860E4B2.1BA765EC@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:48:18 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Allis CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing References: <19991222142432.50198.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah yes, the myth that H-D duds are pricey. Lemme see - rain gear - bib pants and nice jacket, both having closures at the wrists and ankles to keep the nastys off your bod $75. Serious leather jacket (without all the cruddy logos) $300. Neato pinhole vented summer leathers under $300, closer to $200 (forgot). A also have a Vanson jacket with s zip out liner. Very nice. Got it on sale in 1983 for $189. That's less than half of what Vansons go for now. H-D pricey? Nah. A myth. And H-D parts? Dude I know bashed a lid on his Gold Wing bag. Bend ovah and take it up the poop chute. The replacement cost more than twice what H-D charges for a bagger lid. Cost more than an entire H-D bag!!! Bill Doug Allis wrote: > > Sure to start a flame war (what the hell, its a slow day): I firmly believe > that Aerostich suits are perhaps the most over rated/priced motorcycle wear > you can get. Well... maybe I should add that I haven't bought any Harley > Davidson clothing in a loooong time. > > >Jay Goddard wrote: > > > >To all who have Stitch suits. What have you done to make them more > >water proof? My problem areas are in the biceps and thighs, I don't > >think it is the seams. I do Scotch Guard the suit every other month and > >that helps some but makes it really stiff for the first few days. Any > >advice would be great. > > > > > Thanks!! > > Jay > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 09:57:56 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05088 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:57:38 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BA05@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Aerostich water proofing Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:57:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) You can get the NikiWax products at Ski Chalet in Arlington for those of you who don't want to mail order. Glenn -----Original Message----- >I wash my suit in NikWax TechWash (available through Aerostich) twice a year, and >that does it for treating the surface. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 09:58:27 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05114 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:58:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:58:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199912220958.AA7799202@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Doug Allis" >Sure to start a flame war (what the hell, its a slow day): I firmly believe >that Aerostich suits are perhaps the most over rated/priced motorcycle wear >you can get. Well... maybe I should add that I haven't bought any Harley >Davidson clothing in a loooong time. Do you include the Aerostich Darien in that? As far as the Aerostich Roadcrafter goes, it offers a unique advantage - ease of donning & doffing. I commute, and I want a suit that's easy enough to don & doff that I'll always wear it and not begrudge it. Protective gear works only if you ALWAYS wear it. I've ridded with folks that would rather walk around and eat lunch with their riding suit half-on/half-off and tied around their waist than go to the trouble of doffing the suit. Me, I remove the Roadcrafter in 15 seconds and go about my business. The Roadcrafter is easy enough to doff that I remove it in hot weather when I stop to get gas. Does wonders for keeping the body temperature down. Can't do that with those other suits. The fact that it does so well at keeping me dry is fantastic. The fact that it can leak is too bad, but if it's important then don't buy a Roadcrafter, buy a Darien (or a First Gear suit, which is also rated well). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 10:01:20 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05207 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-110.patriot.net [209.249.180.110]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA29599; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:01:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3860E5A6.3994F5BC@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:52:22 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing RE house payment References: <199912220929.AA68419970@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Chris, bought this joint in 1970 for $26,500 - on a half acre of land - inside the beltway. The original mortgage is paid off. Payment on the puny 2nd is less than $800. Oh! reminds me - tax time. Now that might buy an Areostich - more'n a grand for six months property tax :-) Bill landed in Annandale when it had like two traffic lights. Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Bill Huson > > >Oh my ! The Stitch suit leaks !!! The fancy butt all-weather riding gear > >that costs about the same as a house payment LEAKS !!! If it didn't cost so > >dern much I'd say that's almost funny. > > I wish I had YOUR house payment, sounds like a good deal to me. > > Yes, Aerostich Roadcrafter suits can leak, most often around the zippers (the fly zipper is the most common). The tradeoff is between ease of donning & doffing versus no zippers or using waterproof zippers. > > Personally I prefer the Roadcrafter, though many people prefer the Darien, which is as waterproof as a rainsuit. > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 10:03:52 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05232 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5960 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 1999 15:03:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19991222150346.5959.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:03:46 PST Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:03:46 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing To: dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My one-piece Aerostich Roadcrafter also leaks. It doesn't leak any worse than the best rainsuit I've ever owned. It takes less than half the time to put the 'stich on, and it's comfortable even when it isn't raining. I tried putting the rainsuit over the 'stich a few times, this cuts the leakage by about half. The rainsuit stops the leak in the crotch, but the water still runs down my neck on to my shirt and eventually I'm soaked under both suits anyway. The biggest advantage of the rainsuit over top of the Aerostich is the warmth. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 10:08:01 1999 Return-Path: brad@XXXXXX Received: from ns2.pgcc.net ([204.91.230.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05407 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:07:59 -0500 (EST) From: brad@XXXXXX Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by ns2.pgcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA08289 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:11:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:11:50 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing In-Reply-To: <3860D131.41561427@boo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm. Only time I've had my Aerostich leak was after 4 hours in heavy rain, and even then, it was 99% around the zippers. As far as the house payment thing goes: To me, spending $700 on a suit that keeps me cool in the summer, generally warm in the winter (with a good sweater), and offers great impact/skin protection (I can attest to this), as well as over-all ease of use is well worth the money. :-) Brad 99 CBR600 F4 88 FZR400 On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Jay Goddard wrote: > To all who have Stitch suits. What have you done to make them more > water proof? My problem areas are in the biceps and thighs, I don't > think it is the seams. I do Scotch Guard the suit every other month and > that helps some but makes it really stiff for the first few days. Any > advice would be great. > > Thanks!! > > Jay > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 11:07:00 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06767 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 120oHw-000670-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:06:56 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:06:55 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Be afraid Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Be very afraid http://members.home.net/vfrboy/vfr/wheelie.jpg ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 11:40:50 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07270 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27238 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (pm7a-34.his.com [216.200.82.34]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24881 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:40:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991222113846.0090d670@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:38:46 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Insurance Claim, questions, etc. In-Reply-To: <38605427.90D39B38@otaku.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:31 PM 12/21/99 -0500, robert@XXXXXX wrote: >1. Is my experience so far pretty normal? Based on my professional experience what happened to you is normal. I've worked for four different insurance companies & this is pretty much par for the course. >2. It seems that the power of attorney document would basically >authorize them to take my bike (if it were actually recovered) whether >or not they pay the claim. Anyone know if this is the case? Anyone >know a lawyer I could talk to about this? The POA (Power of Atty) is normal documentation associated with this type of claim. Insurance companies do not "take" your bike without your permission without settling your claim. To do so would be illegal. I can tell you that as a matter of fact the opposite is normally the case. The recovered vehicle is in a police impound lot and the police will only release it to the "owner" or holder of a POA. I've spent a lot of time trying to get in touch with owners, who have moved out of state, attempting to get them to call the impound lot so we can move the bike to storage free location, not racking up $25 per diem. The POA really helps you out more than anything else. For example say Nationwide pays your claim. A year and a half from now the bike turns up in a bust. With that POA the insurance company can pick it up & dispose of the salvage without having to bug you. >3. What's the purpose of recording me and asking me to fill out a form >with the same information? Are they hoping that I'll report some little >bit of information inconsistently so they can screw me over or what? Recording the conversation along with having you write down the same information in a sworn statement is totally normal for this type of claim. You may feel that they are casting you in a disparaging light when you have been a victim, but understand, it is nothing "personal." You are a nice contributor to the DC cycles list and seem like a honest guy, but the Nationwide does not know this. Understand the following Fact; Insurance fraud accounts for over 2 billion per year that insurance companies have to pay out. This is real money. We have to pay for it in higher premiums. Fact; a small percentage of people "steal" their own stuff. I have personally been involved in a shocking number of these cases that have resulted in people going to jail. It sup rises me every time. Fact; Nationwide does not have an institutional method to determine that you are a nice guy, so they use reasonable standard operating procedures that will hopefully identify any "red flags" of fraud. So the answer to your question is no, they are not "hoping" that you will report some little bit of information inconsistently. They are hoping that you are a honest person. But if you are not a honest person you may make a contradiction on the sworn statement to the recorded statement you gave over the phone. This contradiction may lead to a development that results in finding the perpetrator. Look at it this way. If your wife was found shot dead at home, one of the things the police would do is ask you if you shot her. This is not because they want to be mean, but they need to rule you out as a possible suspect. Just answer the questions and understand that Nationwide needs to ask unpleasant questions as a matter of protocol, nothing personal. Stephen Harris, Insurance Stiff....:-) Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 11:56:20 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07504 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22363 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (pm7a-34.his.com [216.200.82.34]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00385 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:56:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991222115414.0090d670@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:54:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: RE: Insurance Claim, questions, etc. In-Reply-To: <000001bf4c85$c24079f0$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <38605427.90D39B38@otaku.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:06 AM 12/22/99 -0500, Todd Peer wrote: >> 3. What's the purpose of recording me and asking me to fill out a form >> with the same information? Are they hoping that I'll report some little >> bit of information inconsistently so they can screw me over or what? >> > >Can it be that since this is a theft that they are taking extraordinary >steps to protect themselves against fraud? Insurance do not need to protect themselves from fraud, but they do need to take reasonable steps to investigate potential fraud on the part of insureds. What Robert has described is not extraordinary, but normal across the industry. >Fwiw, insurance companies typically allow 30 days to pass before settling a >theft claim. Yes, this can be the case. Most policies have a waiting period before settlement of a claim for theft or disappearance. This is to give the insurance company some time to investigate the loss. I have worked for companies that have had this as long as 90 days and as short as 20. Just depends on the policy wording. This is what rental coverage is for. At least this way they can put you in a rental car for the 30 or whatever days so you can still get around. Some companies automatically extend rental coverage for this 30 days regardless of weather you purchase loss of use coverage. It will be written into the policy if they provide it. To bad enterprise, hertz, etc do not rent bikes...:-) Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 12:01:28 1999 Return-Path: fsl@XXXXXX Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (mx1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.217]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07656 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.magma.ca (mail2.magma.ca [206.191.0.218]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29796; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.191.47.135] ([206.191.47.135]) by mail2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03037; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:59:52 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: fsl@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991222142432.50198.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19991222142432.50198.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:01:42 -0500 To: "Doug Allis" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Aerostich water proofing Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Jay Goddard wrote: > >To all who have Stitch suits. What have you done to make them more >water proof? My problem areas are in the biceps and thighs, I don't >think it is the seams. I do Scotch Guard the suit every other month and >that helps some but makes it really stiff for the first few days. Any >advice would be great. > > > I haven't done anything, and it has remained waterproof for the 2 and half years I have worn it. I have the Darien jacket, and have been extremely satisfied with it. Sure....it costs a lot of money.......but I was willing to pay it, and I truly believe that in todays world you get what you pay for. It has everything I want in a jacket, I have worn it in 100+ weather weather in Ohio and -5 weather here in Ottawa, through rain, snow, sun, fog and sand. I'm actually getting another one. I've decided I want to increase my visibility, and will be ordering one of the new high visibility yellow Darien jackets to use with my existing liner, armour pads, and spine protector. If anyone is interested in a grey Aerostich shell with black padding, let me know. Ride safe.... fsl :-) *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 12:17:31 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07891 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:17:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00010; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:17:21 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF4C76.31C1CE60.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Be afraid Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:15:10 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wimpy, real men try it with a trailer, too. -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell [SMTP:twg@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 11:07 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Be afraid Be very afraid http://members.home.net/vfrboy/vfr/wheelie.jpg ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 12:55:33 1999 Return-Path: tpaxman@XXXXXX Received: from marlborough.cnchost.com ([207.155.248.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08454 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from server (lsajca1-ar2-128-069.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.128.69]) by marlborough.cnchost.com id MAA29346; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:55:04 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.8] Errors-To: Message-ID: <003601bf4ca5$cac842e0$5c76fea9@dsl.gtei.net> Reply-To: "Todd M. Paxman" From: "Todd M. Paxman" To: "Doug Allis" , "Francois Saint Laurent" Cc: , References: <19991222142432.50198.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Aerostich water proofing Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:55:53 -0800 Organization: Ashworth Leininger Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I agree. I have the Darien jacket and pants and commute 1/2-hour each way to work, no matter what the weather. I live in Southern California, so I haven't ridden in snow, but I have walked in it (in the Rockies) with no problems. It's warm, it's cool, it's waterproof. Riding in pouring rain I don't get a drop on me, and simply shed the outerwear when I get to the office. ________________________ Todd M. Paxman Ashworth Leininger Group 199 E. Thousand Oaks Blvd., Suite 201 Thousand Oaks, CA PH: (805) 370-1474 FX: (805) 370-1471 tpaxman@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: Francois Saint Laurent To: Doug Allis Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 9:01 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Aerostich water proofing > > > >Jay Goddard wrote: > > > >To all who have Stitch suits. What have you done to make them more > >water proof? My problem areas are in the biceps and thighs, I don't > >think it is the seams. I do Scotch Guard the suit every other month and > >that helps some but makes it really stiff for the first few days. Any > >advice would be great. > > > > > > > I haven't done anything, and it has remained waterproof for the 2 and > half years I have worn it. I have the Darien jacket, and have been > extremely satisfied with it. > > > Sure....it costs a lot of money.......but I was willing to pay it, > and I truly believe that in todays world you get what you pay for. > It has everything I want in a jacket, I have worn it in 100+ weather > weather in Ohio and -5 weather here in Ottawa, through rain, snow, > sun, fog and sand. > > I'm actually getting another one. I've decided I want to increase > my visibility, and will be ordering one of the new high visibility > yellow Darien jackets to use with my existing liner, armour pads, and > spine protector. If anyone is interested in a grey Aerostich shell > with black padding, let me know. > > Ride safe.... > > > fsl :-) > > > *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** > > 1. > > > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@XXXXXX. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@XXXXXX. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 12:56:19 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4-ext.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08464 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.94] (helo=dfw-mailtemp.techops.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 120pzk-0006Ny-00; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:56:16 +0000 Received: from [168.143.30.5] (helo=curley.ravinc.com) by dfw-mailtemp.techops.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #6) id 120pzj-0003g1-00; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:56:16 +0000 Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 22 Dec 1999 12:54:20 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Be afraid Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:06:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 The stuntman at the Las Vegas AMA round a couple of years ago was pulling rear-fender dragging wheelies on a full out touring Harley. He had a volunteer sitting in the back seat. There was lots of clutch abuse going on getting that front wheel up. Definitely tool more effort than the other bikes he had (all modified HD/Buell). He was pulling wheelies on those while sitting on the bars. He claimed the touring bike was unmodified. I suspect the rear passenger is mandatory to mono a touring rig. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 13:41:38 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f141.hotmail.com [209.185.131.204]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09232 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15599 invoked by uid 0); 22 Dec 1999 18:41:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19991222184105.15598.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:41:05 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:41:05 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Personally I prefer the Roadcrafter, though many people prefer the Darien, >which is as waterproof as a rainsuit. > >Chris Norloff > And how much do they cost? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 13:46:17 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09387 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 120qm6-0001SQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:46:14 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:46:14 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Need a new vehichle? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=222791130 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 15:29:04 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11113 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:29:02 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA15068; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:28:59 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaur9915; Wed, 22 Dec 99 14:05:05 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FN5000C4MH9I5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525684F.0063D133 ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:10:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:09:52 -0500 Subject: RE: Insurance Claim, questions, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525684F.0063CD67.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Budget does ... but only in select cities. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Stephen Harris Date: 12/22/99 04:54:14 PM GMT Subject: RE: Insurance Claim, questions, etc. To bad enterprise, hertz, etc do not rent bikes...:-) Stephen Harris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 15:45:21 1999 Return-Path: razzsounds@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f212.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.212]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11451 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76592 invoked by uid 0); 22 Dec 1999 20:44:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19991222204447.76591.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.26.194.75 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:44:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.26.194.75] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance Claim, questions, etc. Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:44:47 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Pretty standard stuff. They record all phone conversations. The power of attourny is so that they are assured that they own your bike when you are paid by them. It's their guarantee that they get the bike. Nationwide was great to me when my GPZ100 was stolen a few years ago. Razz 99 ZX9R 83 LTD440 77 KZ650 (Mint & for sale) > >I've never delt with a stolen vehicle claim before, and would appreciate >any advice from anyone who has as to whether this sounds like standard >practice. > >So far my claim with Nationwide has gone like this: > >Initially I reported the incident to them on 12/11. Sometime on Tuesday >(12/14 I believe) I got a voice mail (at home, during the day even >though they have my work number) from an investigator at Nationwide. I >called back the next day relatively early and still didn't get a call >that day. Anyway, sometime on wednesday or thursday I got some >paperwork in the mail. This consisted of an "Affidavit of Vehicle >Theft," a "Records Release" form, and a "DMV Power of Attorney." > >Finally today I got in touch with the investigator (left a message, >actually got a reasonably prompt callback). Basically she asked me for >all of the information that's on the Affidavit and recorded the >conversation with some sort of recording device. Apparently I still >need to return the signed and notarized affidavit, along with the other >paperwork. > >Some things I'm wondering about: > >1. Is my experience so far pretty normal? >2. It seems that the power of attorney document would basically >authorize them to take my bike (if it were actually recovered) whether >or not they pay the claim. Anyone know if this is the case? Anyone >know a lawyer I could talk to about this? >3. What's the purpose of recording me and asking me to fill out a form >with the same information? Are they hoping that I'll report some little >bit of information inconsistently so they can screw me over or what? > >Thanks for the help. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 19:52:55 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web503.mail.yahoo.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA15327 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21563 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 1999 00:52:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19991223005250.21562.qmail@web503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:52:50 PST Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:52:50 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Insurance Claim, questions, etc. To: robert@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I had bikes stolen, the procedure was to file a police report, report the theft to the insurance company and submit to a recorded interview. I had to fill out the affidavit with a description of the bike and the incident and get it notarized, but I didn't fill out a "power of attorney" document. Then I waited for a month to see if my bike turned up. When it didn't, I sent my title and my keys to the insurance company and they issued a check. The insurance paperwork, the wait without wheels and the hassle of repeated trips to the DMV sort of kicks you while you're down, but friends with motorcycles (Todd Peer offered me a Honda Interceptor) and a decent insurance company made it easier to pass the time until I could get a replacement. Hope everything works out for you, Sean Sullivan --- robert@XXXXXX wrote: > I've never delt with a stolen vehicle claim before, > and would appreciate > any advice from anyone who has as to whether this > sounds like standard > practice. > > Thanks for the help. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 20:43:26 1999 Return-Path: redbelly@XXXXXX Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (root@XXXXXX [151.200.206.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16180 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from boo.net (ppp-boo-221.Boo.Net [151.200.206.221]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25361 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:57:14 -0500 Message-ID: <38617D81.BFC22797@boo.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:40:17 -0500 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Aerostich Water proofing References: <199912230000.TAA14479@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First the digest sucks, I can't even defend myself. Second you bash me and don't even reply to me. OK so I spent some doe on a suit. As Kirk said it fits great and I got the color I want. So about the suit named after a mountain, does it have GP worthy armor it is OKed for most track days can it be tailored, does it make you feel sexy? Huh what was that, I didn't think so. To set the record straight the last time I got wet it was after one 6 hour rain ride and 3 three hours into the next rainy day (how many of you ride in the rain that much in a year). I stand by my purchase even thought it was a little expensive. Last but not least after spending that much cash I made sure one thing would happen, I wear it, alot. Just having fun stoking the fire. This sure beats a gun thread. Jay From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 22 23:27:21 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA18758 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-242.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.242]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA31803 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: <003501bf4cfd$eb1015c0$55a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:26:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Two cents more for the 'Stitch (one piece) record. I wear mine 99% of my bike time because it's substantial protection, visible (red), lots of pockets, and 15 seconds on/off. Lowspeed hit and crashed once and I'm sure it saved a bunch of rash. The major problem I find is the un-neating of clothing underneath, no matter what the temps: Rain causes a major perspiration wetting problem because of decreased ventilation, but have found little evidence of outside leaks (though I avoid heavy, prolonged rainrides). Have gotten used to taking event clothing separately neatly folded in a bag on back. I have no qualms topping off with a cheap yellow rainsuit for rare heavy rain or deep cold situations. That said, wouldn't do it any other way I know about. I was able to buy (through Colleen, bless her soul) an almost new pre-owned stitch at a very low price. It's now about 18 months old and the only wear has been a broken zipper pulltab (I replaced in one minute). I'm currently trying to find time to treat it with Kiwi camp spray and zipper lube. I understand they are now available in lime green for visibility. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Hey Roadcrafter -- how about fender and tank armor? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 23 00:09:17 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19474 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA03930 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:09:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:09:09 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing In-Reply-To: <003501bf4cfd$eb1015c0$55a4fccd@newmicronpc> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The aerostich stuff is crap. I'm in need of a replacement zipper for one of the legs now. The suit was new in 92 and has been worn most days since then. I expected to get at least 10 years without needing new zippers. The velcro is mostly dead as well. What faulty merchandise! Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 23 00:16:44 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19650 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-242.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.242]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA00191 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:16:39 -0500 Message-ID: <004401bf4d04$d1077cc0$55a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Snow Paws Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:16:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF4CDA.E5A2DAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF4CDA.E5A2DAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A while ago I received a set of Snow Paws from Dennis Kirk. Here's a = promised review. =20 I give them a high Excellent, bordering on Outstanding, after several = weeks of 30+ degree use. They are warm, facile, and a snap to velcro = on/off. Hands go in and out easily when necessary. Using summer = gloves. Seem a value at < $25. =20 Drawbacks seemed minor. Handlebar controls become hidden of course, = Paws' gauntlet length could be a tad longer (easily solved if = necessary), and while they are neat, I doubt they will win awards for = adding style (though, again, some sewing might improve). They fit over = my controls with ultimately plenty of room but the install process is = snug on mine. =20 DK part number: either 39-1777 or 539-1777 (the 5 written in on the = invoice). $24.99 total to me. Black (don't think they have other = colors). These are L-shaped fuzz-lined nylon boots which cover all = controls and hands/wrists and protect against wind, rain, and so, cold. = Not in the current street catalog. Similar products around at greater = prices, last I checked. 1 800 328 9280. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Hey, these Paws feel like earmuffs Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF4CDA.E5A2DAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A while ago I received a set of Snow Paws from Dennis Kirk.  = Here's a=20 promised review. 
 
I give them a high Excellent, bordering on Outstanding, after = several weeks=20 of 30+ degree use.  They are warm, facile, and a snap to velcro=20 on/off.  Hands go in and out easily when necessary.  Using = summer=20 gloves.  Seem a value at < $25. 
 
Drawbacks seemed minor.  Handlebar controls become hidden of = course,=20 Paws' gauntlet length could be a tad longer (easily solved if = necessary), and=20 while they are neat, I doubt they will win awards for adding style = (though,=20 again, some sewing might improve).   They fit over my controls = with=20 ultimately plenty of room but the install process is snug on = mine.  =20
 
DK part number:  either 39-1777 or 539-1777 (the 5 written in = on the=20 invoice).  $24.99 total to me.  Black (don't think they have = other=20 colors).   These are L-shaped fuzz-lined nylon boots which = cover all=20 controls and hands/wrists and protect against wind, rain, and so, = cold. =20 Not in the current street catalog.  Similar products around at = greater=20 prices, last I checked.  1 800 328 9280. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Hey, these Paws feel like = earmuffs
Join=20 the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF4CDA.E5A2DAA0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 23 02:11:37 1999 Return-Path: robert@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA22110 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:11:36 -0500 (EST) From: robert@XXXXXX Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQhuum24309 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 07:11:34 GMT Message-ID: <3861CC08.6727B94D@otaku.org> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:15:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Insurance Claim, questions, etc. References: <3.0.5.32.19991222113846.0090d670@mail.his.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone for the info. Stephen Harris wrote: > Fact; Insurance fraud accounts for over 2 billion per year that insurance > companies have to pay out. This is real money. We have to pay for it in > higher premiums. I figured it was mostly because of this, but I'm always a bit distrustful of large institutions (never know what kind of policy might kick in a cause me problems) so I don't want to give them any power they don't need until they need it. Not being a lawyer and not knowing what can happen I'm always overly cautious. Thanks for the insurance company perspective though. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 23 02:14:30 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA22186 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-109-50.s50.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.50] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1212Rh-0000gJ-00; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:13:58 -0500 Message-ID: <022101bf4d15$5be74b80$326daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: fork springs from Max & tires from Chapparell Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:14:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Wow! I talked to Max at Traxxion Dynamics on Tuesday afternoon (12/21) about getting new front springs and a Penske for my SV. The springs arrived this evening(12/22) via UPS. Talk about service... He said the shock would be here shortly, he had to set it up (spring it) according to my specific weight. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA ps. Ordered a set of BT56 SS Type for the VFR from Chapparell on 12/12 and they also arrived 12/22 via UPS, 5 days before they said they would be here! :) ($183.94 to my door) May have to reschedule that smoking burnout till she blows from New Years day to Christmas Day. :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 23 08:39:15 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28289 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:39:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:39:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199912230839.AA76022206@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "mobacc" >I understand they are now available in lime green for visibility. More like 'fire-engine yellow'. Really brings out the 'urban warrior' aspect of riding. Friends have gotten funny looks wearing them into a hotel until they announced they were investigating a fire report on the 8th floor. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 23 09:02:04 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28659 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-109-50.s50.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.50] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1218o7-0001ST-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:01:32 -0500 Message-ID: <02cb01bf4d4e$4c65efc0$326daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: fork springs from Max and tires from Chapparell Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:02:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Wow! I talked to Max at Traxxion Dynamics on Tuesday afternoon (12/21) about getting new front springs and a Penske for my SV. The springs arrived this evening(12/22) via UPS. Talk about service... He said the shock would be here shortly, he had to set it up (spring it) according to my specific weight. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA ps. Ordered a set of BT56 SS Type for the VFR from Chapparell on 12/12 and they also arrived 12/22 via UPS, 5 days before they said they would be here! :) ($183.94 to my door) May have to reschedule that smoking burnout till she blows from New Years day to Christmas Day. :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 23 10:34:40 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01352 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41714) id <0FN700J019VA02@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:33:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41714) with ESMTP id <0FN700I7L9V930@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:33:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA05457 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:28:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991223153308.KYKP15369@toddnt> for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:33:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:30:11 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: Kilamanjero Was: Aerostich water proofing In-reply-to: To: Dc Cycles Message-id: <000301bf4d5a$99eacac0$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Kirks wit aside, RiderWearhouse will repair any of their garments at a minimum cost, and most times free. I sent my Darien in to have some heat-sealing tape replaced and they went ahead and replaced all the velcro, the front zipper and one of the front panels to the jacket, without my asking. I was impressed. No cost to me other than shipping to them. Having said all that though, I'm interested in the First Gear Kilamanjaro outfit. Cost, availability, etc.. I like RiderWearhouse products, but as it has been mentioned before, they are pretty much overpriced (and that goes for everything they sell). Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 12:09 AM > To: Dc Cycles > Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing > > > The aerostich stuff is crap. I'm in need of a replacement zipper for one > of the legs now. The suit was new in 92 and has been worn most days since > then. I expected to get at least 10 years without needing new > zippers. The velcro is mostly dead as well. What faulty merchandise! > > Kirk > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 23 10:55:12 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01735 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:55:11 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id d.0.70e3971c (4189); Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:54:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.70e3971c.25939fb5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:54:29 EST Subject: Re: Kilamanjero Was: Aerostich water proofing To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 seems to me for the service you say you're getting it's paying a little more ... :D Marcy In a message dated 12/23/99 10:39:29 AM, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << I like RiderWearhouse products, but as it has been mentioned before, they are pretty much overpriced >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 23 11:26:02 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02196 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) id <0FN700H01C2C9R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:20:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FN700HJNC2CAR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:20:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA01254 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:20:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991223162035.LIAB15369@toddnt> for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:20:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:17:37 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Kilamanjero Was: Aerostich water proofing In-reply-to: <0.70e3971c.25939fb5@aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000501bf4d61$3a254230$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal That's one way of looking at it. Another way is to say, the heat sealed tape should not have failed considering how much I paid. Now I am w/o a jacket for about 2 weeks, and I have to pay shipping. BTW, I think they gave me the freebies because the jacket was less than two years old. I'm certain I would have to pay now. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 10:54 AM > To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Kilamanjero Was: Aerostich water proofing > > > seems to me for the service you say you're getting it's paying a > little more > ... > :D > Marcy > > In a message dated 12/23/99 10:39:29 AM, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > > << I like RiderWearhouse products, but as > > it has been mentioned before, they are pretty much overpriced >> > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 27 09:17:29 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05585 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:17:27 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA13600; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:17:28 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma012838; Mon, 27 Dec 99 09:16:49 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FNE0081TKYUWC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256854.004E5B31 ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:15:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:16:21 -0500 Subject: NYC Motorcycle Show Trip Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256854.004E5A3D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Here is a message I got from Anita while I was on Christmas vacation. I don't know if it's been forwarded yet or not, but If not, here it is: Can you do me a favor and forward this to dc-cycles for me? Thanks!! Anita -------------------------------- NYC Motorcycle Show Trip!! Okay, the deposit has been put down on the bus, and all systems are go. I'm ready to start collecting money! Here are the details:? ? WHAT: International Motorcycle Show, Jacob Javitts Convention Center, NY, NY.? WHEN: Saturday, February 5th, 2000.? TIME: Depart Washington DC at 7:30 AM, return approximately 12 midnight.? HOW: Travel in style in a luxury "motorcoach" complete with restroom and VCR/TV's.? COST: $45.00 per person. This includes round-trip bus transportation, gratuity for the driver and admission to the show. Donuts, sodas and snacks will also be provided.? EXTRAS: The planned departure time has been moved up 30 minutes so we can make a 12:30 pm departure of the Circle Line Tour. This is a really fun sightseeing tour around Manhattan Island. It is a great way to see the sights (including the Statue of Liberty), and is $22 for a 3-hour trip. This will be completely optional, and you will buy your own ticket at the departure pier (which is only a few blocks from the convention center).? PAYMENT: Send your payment (personal check, please) to: Anita Lauro, 227 Greenfield Court, Sterling, VA 20164. I will not deposit the checks until I have at least 30 people going. Please put your email address on your check so I can keep you apprised of our progress.? DEADLINE: I must receive payment by Friday, January 7th, 2000. I will be ordering the show tickets then, and if your payment is received after that date you will need to wait in line at the convention center to buy your own ticket. Take it from me, those lines are very long! Also, so far I have gotten a lot of responses, so it is very possible we will fill up the bus this year! Get your payments in early to reserve your spot!? For more info on the Circle Line you can check out:? {HYPERLINK "http://www.circleline.com"}http://www.circleline.com? For more info on the motorcycle show:? {HYPERLINK "http://www.motorcycleshows.com"}http://www.motorcycleshows.com? And the bus line:? {HYPERLINK "http://www.nationalcoachinc.com"}http://www.nationalcoachinc.com? ? Any questions, please feel free to email me at alauro@XXXXXX.? ? Thanks, and hope to see you all in February!? Anita ? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 27 09:30:48 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05986 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:30:46 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA00122; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:30:52 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029535; Mon, 27 Dec 99 09:30:12 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FNE008S3LL9N4@XXXXXX>; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256854.004F956B ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:29:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:29:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Hoolaginistic behaviour.. To: Brian McCoy Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256854.004F934D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL For those of you coming on the bus trip to the Motorcycle Show, we'll have videos of the 1998 Stunt Riding championship, the 1999 Isle of Man TT, and bad behavior from the boys at Performance Bikes and Fast Bikes magazines. If you ever wanted to see how wheelies, stoppies, burnouts and tankslappers are done, you might want to sign up for the trip just for the bus entertainment! Others are of course welcome to bring in their own videos as well. Chris Weaver '98 Superhawk To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Brian McCoy Date: 12/20/99 10:56:28 PM GMT Subject: Hoolaginistic behaviour.. Ok all you weanies out there who think you can pull a wheelie, or do a stoppie (which, in all reality, probably only has the wheel 1~2 INCHES off the ground...) Time to go to school.... In session here: http://www.garyrothwell.com *grin* Some of these clips are so amazing I'm STILL watching them.. Ahh, to have a mentor... ;) Brian McCoy - MMI Student ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 27 10:45:10 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f159.hotmail.com [209.185.131.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07772 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34444 invoked by uid 0); 27 Dec 1999 15:44:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19991227154436.34443.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:44:36 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kilamanjero Was: Aerostich water proofing Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:44:36 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have Kilamanjaro jacket and matching pants. I paid about $500 several years ago. The Kilamanjaro jacket was the first of this type of jacket firstgear made. I got mine at a shop in northern VA. I think they are available at most any MC shop that sells non-Harley stuff. I had the pant's waist taken in. They now have more styles and colors than when I bought. Good product, very waterproof, maybe a little too warm for real hot weather riding. From: Todd Peer >To: Dc Cycles >Subject: Kilamanjero Was: Aerostich water proofing >Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:30:11 -0500 > >Kirks wit aside, RiderWearhouse will repair any of their garments at a >minimum cost, and most times free. I sent my Darien in to have some >heat-sealing tape replaced and they went ahead and replaced all the velcro, >the front zipper and one of the front panels to the jacket, without my >asking. I was impressed. No cost to me other than shipping to them. > >Having said all that though, I'm interested in the First Gear Kilamanjaro >outfit. Cost, availability, etc.. I like RiderWearhouse products, but as >it has been mentioned before, they are pretty much overpriced (and that >goes >for everything they sell). > >Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 12:09 AM > > To: Dc Cycles > > Subject: Re: Aerostich water proofing > > > > > > The aerostich stuff is crap. I'm in need of a replacement zipper for one > > of the legs now. The suit was new in 92 and has been worn most days >since > > then. I expected to get at least 10 years without needing new > > zippers. The velcro is mostly dead as well. 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NEED TO KNOW WHO'LL BE THERE. IF THERE'S LESS THAN 6 PEOPLE, WE CAN HOOK UP WITH ANOTHER GROUP. MORE, WE'LL NEED OUR OWN TROUGH FROM WHICH TO FEED. THE MORE THE MERRIER! THURSDAY, DECEMBER 30 THE EMERALD TAVERN -- 6:30 p.m. 8300 Harford Road, 410-661-2299 Beltway to exit 31 South on Harford, aka Rt 147 South Its no more than about a mile inside the beltway on the right hand side going south on Harford Rd toward Balto City The Tavern is on the corner of Harford Rd and Emerald Rds From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 28 10:42:46 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01317 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:42:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:42:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199912281042.AA13435320@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Anybody know Berryman B12 gas additive? X-Mailer: Anybody know Berryman B12 gas additive? It was recommended in the latest Motorcycle Consumer News, but I haven't been able to find a shop who's even heard of it. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 28 10:52:36 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01485 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:52:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:52:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199912281052.AA9175550@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Anybody know Berryman B12 gas additive? X-Mailer: Anybody know Berryman B12 gas additive? It was recommended in the latest Motorcycle Consumer News, but I haven't been able to find a shop who's even heard of it. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 28 11:03:42 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01676 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21079 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:03:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:03:37 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Berryman gas additives Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A quick net search turns up http://www.berrymanproducts.com Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 28 11:11:48 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01788 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:11:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:11:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199912281111.AA32768436@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles Mailing List , Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Berryman gas additives X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Kirk Roy >A quick net search turns up http://www.berrymanproducts.com Thanks, I finally found that after I sent the message. But it sure wasn't quick for me. "Berryman B12" got all of one hit on AltaVista. "Berryman AND B12" got me to an EPA page on gas additives which had Berryman's official name which then lead me to their web site. I like your way better. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 28 11:35:12 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02253 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA17615 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:30:29 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:35:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Blue Ridge Parkway Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello All, I have just heard through the rumor mill the following, which I wanted to verify. Is it true that because the Blue Ridge Parkway is a federal road, no points for speeding are assessed? Sounds too good to be true... Ned From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 28 12:34:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03236 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:34:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:34:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199912281234.AA5833314@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ned Suesse >Is it true that because the Blue Ridge Parkway is a federal road, no >points for speeding are assessed? > >Sounds too good to be true... I think the way it works is that since it's a Federal road ALL the states have reciprocity, and the points are sure to show up on your record. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 28 12:44:22 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03392 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 28 Dec 1999 20:36:43 UT Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:43 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Blue Ridge Parkway Message-ID: <19991228124514484-4de74a27@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not to mention that the potential jail time is no fun either... not speaking from experience but from observations. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway Author: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: 12/28/1999 12:34 PM ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ned Suesse >Is it true that because the Blue Ridge Parkway is a federal road, no >points for speeding are assessed? > >Sounds too good to be true... I think the way it works is that since it's a Federal road ALL the states have r eciprocity, and the points are sure to show up on your record. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 28 16:55:29 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07417 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:55:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256855.00790894 ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:02:00 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256855.007907E3.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:47:58 -0500 Subject: 2nd Annual DC Cycles Superbowl Party!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Come one, come all! We're having a superbowl party at our house! Anyone who can fill me in on the date & time, I'd be much obliged, but I think it's Jan. 30. LOL Where: Tom & Jeannette's 1220 S. Columbus St., Arlington, VA Directions forthcoming Potluck! Bring anything and everything! : ) We'll have beer and munchies but anything that can be donated will be appreciated. We have 2 dogs, so if anyone's terrified of dogs or hates them for some reason, be forewarned! All you have to do is feed them a dog biscuit and they're in love, so we'll have plenty to give out! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 29 08:57:18 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23500 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:57:17 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.0.dec9dab3 (7066) for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:56:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.dec9dab3.259b6d1a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:56:42 EST Subject: Dirt Bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 I have developed a hankering for a street legal dirt bike. However, when I go to the various classified lists I find I don't know which model designations are which. Anybody know of reference for older models-say pre 74? Bob From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 29 10:10:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24673 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22058 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14062 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FNI00A4JCSVE5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:10:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:10:32 -0500 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: Dirt Bikes In-reply-to: <0.dec9dab3.259b6d1a@aol.com> To: McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <004901bf520e$d9a8c780$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Going from memory here. Hope this helps. Kawasaki: KX, KLX, KDX Off Road Only KE and KLR Street Legal Suzuki: RM Off Road Only DR Street Legal Honda: CR Off Road Only XR Street Legal > -----Original Message----- > From: McKeithen@XXXXXX [mailto:McKeithen@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 8:57 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Dirt Bikes > > > I have developed a hankering for a street legal dirt bike. > However, when I go > to the various classified lists I find I don't know which model > designations > are which. Anybody know of reference for older models-say pre 74? > > Bob > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 29 10:35:56 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25139 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15384 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:35:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:35:50 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Dirt Bikes In-Reply-To: <004901bf520e$d9a8c780$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Gary Foreman wrote: > Going from memory here. Hope this helps. > Kawasaki: > KX, KLX, KDX Off Road Only KLX650 was street legal. > KE and KLR Street Legal > > Suzuki: > RM Off Road Only > DR Street Legal DR/S street legal. DR without the S dirt only. > Honda: > CR Off Road Only > XR Street Legal XL street legal XR/L street legal XR without the L dirt only However, Bob's says he's looking for pre-74 bikes. I'm not old enough to have any first hand experience but from the above choices I believe only Honda XLs existed before 74. Yamaha also had their XT dual sport line (then and now). Now, if 74 is a typo and Bob meant 84 or 94 then the above list is worth more. Do a net search for thumper motorcycle (I like infoseek) and you can probably turn up some information on other models. Just about any bike can be made street legal. My KLX300 (dirt only as shipped to the US) is now street legal. It truly sucks as a street bike but for my purpose (don't want to load the truck/trailer every time I ride dirt) it works great. Street legality is necessary for enduro racing as well (where lots of 2 strokes are raced). > > From: McKeithen@XXXXXX [mailto:McKeithen@XXXXXX] > > I have developed a hankering for a street legal dirt bike. > > However, when I go to the various classified lists I find I don't > > know which model designations are which. Anybody know of reference > > for older models-say pre 74? Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 29 10:41:38 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25157 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08622 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:41:04 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991229103311.00c725f0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:41:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Dirt Bikes In-Reply-To: <0.dec9dab3.259b6d1a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:56 AM 12/29/99 , McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: >I have developed a hankering for a street legal dirt bike. However, when I go >to the various classified lists I find I don't know which model designations >are which. Anybody know of reference for older models-say pre 74? I used to own a Yamaha DT125 - 1979 on-off. It was fun at the time, but it was SO heavy. If you ever plan on riding it off road.....at least consider something from the 80s! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 29 11:01:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25558 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22295 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15300 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FNI00032F5BGF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:00:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:00:59 -0500 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: Dirt Bikes In-reply-to: To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <004e01bf5215$e60f0c80$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) I missed the "Pre-74". The only problem there is finding something that parts are available for. For questions/parts about Vintage dirt bikes, visit VMX at: http://www.vintatemx.com Hope this helps. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 10:36 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Dirt Bikes > > > On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Gary Foreman wrote: > > Going from memory here. Hope this helps. > > Kawasaki: > > KX, KLX, KDX Off Road Only > > KLX650 was street legal. > > > KE and KLR Street Legal > > > > Suzuki: > > RM Off Road Only > > DR Street Legal > > DR/S street legal. DR without the S dirt only. > > > Honda: > > CR Off Road Only > > XR Street Legal > > XL street legal > XR/L street legal > XR without the L dirt only > > However, Bob's says he's looking for pre-74 bikes. I'm not old enough to > have any first hand experience but from the above choices I believe only > Honda XLs existed before 74. Yamaha also had their XT dual sport line > (then and now). Now, if 74 is a typo and Bob meant 84 or 94 then the above > list is worth more. Do a net search for thumper motorcycle (I like > infoseek) and you can probably turn up some information on other models. > > Just about any bike can be made street legal. My KLX300 (dirt only as > shipped to the US) is now street legal. It truly sucks as a street bike > but for my purpose (don't want to load the truck/trailer every time I ride > dirt) it works great. Street legality is necessary for enduro racing as > well (where lots of 2 strokes are raced). > > > > From: McKeithen@XXXXXX [mailto:McKeithen@XXXXXX] > > > I have developed a hankering for a street legal dirt bike. > > > However, when I go to the various classified lists I find I don't > > > know which model designations are which. Anybody know of reference > > > for older models-say pre 74? > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 29 12:40:33 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27007 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-109-46.s46.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.46] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 123N3p-0005PQ-00; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:38:58 -0500 Message-ID: <056e01bf5223$93b1cfa0$2e6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , References: <199912290701.XAA11382@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <386A4513.EC72DB42@onlink.net> Subject: Re: Bike simulators Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:38:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Has anyone had any experience with the "Motorcycle Input Device" MID, sold by a guy in Texas named John Daniels? It is supposed to simulate motorcycle handlebars, throttle, etc.. and works with most games that are Microsoft Joystick compatable. Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Bike simulators > > > Michael Cahelo wrote: > > > > Tim.......... about the 500cc GP game! Can I have the address? > > Here are the system requirements: > > http://www.hasbrointeractive.com/microprose/product.cfm?brand=13&product=996 70 > > As you can see,it's not available in the US,but someone told me you can get > it here: http://www.interactcd.com > > Here are a few more links for add-ons,like new > skins,patches,reviews,demo,etc.: > > http://www.gp500.free-online.co.uk/ > > http://www.vibes.com/GP500/ > > Have fun! > > Tim 95VFR840 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 29 12:42:58 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27085 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-109-46.s46.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.46] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 123N6d-0005f1-00; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:41:51 -0500 Message-ID: <057401bf5223$fac969a0$2e6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , Subject: safety wiring drill bits Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:41:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I got a good deal on some 5/64" drill bits. Are these a good size for safety wiring? Thanks, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 29 12:57:07 1999 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27302 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (sterling-133.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FNI000QAKHXZQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:56:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:54:38 -0500 From: JEM Broga Subject: Roebling To: sv650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003b01bf5225$c6b9dbc0$852fbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <002001bf5028$0b751680$6d2fbccc@default> <38675D4D.E3D3CFD4@XXXXXX> <003101bf507f$6dfc8e80$6d2fbccc@default> <3867E0E7.63B74DA3@XXXXXX> X-Priority: 3 Anyone going to Roebling solo from DC area 1/28? I am riding by myself as of right now and looking for someone to share driving duties. I can use my truck to haul 2 bikes, or use my truck and gas to haul their trailer or something . . . Jonathan Broga JEM Racing '99 SV650X - WERA Expert #502 Sponsored by: http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.centurypool.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 29 13:17:07 1999 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com (e22.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.228]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27646 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:17:06 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA40732 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:04:40 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id NAA26708 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:17:02 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256856.00646C07 ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:16:52 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256856.00646849.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:16:40 -0500 Subject: 1-1-00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Isn't there some kind of "Polar Bear" ride on New Years Day? Anyone have any info? Thanks, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 29 13:23:29 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27727 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:23:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:23:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199912291323.AA36897172@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: 1-1-00 X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX >Isn't there some kind of "Polar Bear" ride on New Years Day? Anyone have >any info? http://www.potomacarearoadriders.org/calendar.htm b-b-b-be there, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 29 13:23:24 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (web119.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.120]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27723 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23740 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 1999 18:23:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19991229182312.23739.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.8.1] by web119.yahoomail.com; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:23:12 PST Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:23:12 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re: 1-1-00 To: rcrishoc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From the PARR site -- 16th Annual PARR Polar Bear Ride. Start the Millenium right at the Polar Bear Ride. Sign-in 10:00 a.m.at the Sign of the Whale restaurant, Falls Church, VA. Info: 703-444-2326/703-971-6844. Herb --- rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Isn't there some kind of "Polar Bear" ride on New Years Day? Anyone have > any info? > > Thanks, > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ > Sterling, VA > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 29 15:26:14 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29678 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19159 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (pm2a-96.his.com [216.200.82.96]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA11549 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:26:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991229152337.0090c710@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:23:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Roebling In-Reply-To: <003b01bf5225$c6b9dbc0$852fbccc@default> References: <002001bf5028$0b751680$6d2fbccc@default> <38675D4D.E3D3CFD4@XXXXXX> <003101bf507f$6dfc8e80$6d2fbccc@default> <3867E0E7.63B74DA3@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:54 PM 12/29/99 -0500, JEM Broga wrote: >Anyone going to Roebling solo from DC area 1/28? I am riding by myself as of >right now and looking for someone to share driving duties. I can use my >truck to haul 2 bikes, or use my truck and gas to haul their trailer or >something . . . Well, if the other members of Team Charm bail on me, I may be going solo. I won't know for until two weeks from now. Brian has to finish preping the R6 and get RGV working right. My TLR is, other than needing coolant & tires which I won't do till the track, ready to go. I can't give you an aswer right away, so if someone else can commit, don't wait for me. BTW did you know Dave Yaakov bought his very own SV to chase Suzuki $... S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm