From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 00:03:52 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12881 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:03:51 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr8-dialup5.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.68.197]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33506) with SMTP id <0F39001R6SPCRP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:03:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:04:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Great Ride last Sunday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <005701be1ce8$1f240fc0$c54437a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >No doubt, thanx Anita and Collin. I know I was way overdue for a good ride. >I actually went on a couple roads I have never been on. I thought I had >traveled every road in VA, guess not. After the ride a few of us headed to >Collin's Old Dominion Speedway for a few laps. What a great place to blast >around. Once again thanx for the ride. > >Glenn Yes, thanks Anita and Collin for leading a great ride. I had lots and lots of fun. It even got warm enough for me to scrape a peg. 8^) Some day, I'm gonna make it out to the "speedway". Us MD boys had to head home and cautiously watch for bambi. See ya soon, Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 00:07:39 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12958 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:07:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:04:33 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "John Doe" , Subject: RE: bike for sale Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:07:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01be1ce8$8c179a20$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <19981201044722.9433.qmail@hotmail.com> Both wonderful starter bike (although, I do know a guy who started on a CBR900RR. He's been riding for only a few months, so I can't yet comment on his first year. Did I mention he lives in the city?) But, sarcasm aside, as examples of cheap bike prices, they are a clear sign of the overpriced bikes originally sited. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > ... For $2k you > >could get a fairly nice EX500... > > Right now you could have your choice of an 87 FZR1000 for $1900 > a 89 zx10 for $1250. The internet classifieds are full of Hurricanes, > F2's, FZR's ZX600 ninjas under 2 grand. Anyone paying thousands for an > EX250 is cratifiable. > Tom From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 00:09:32 1998 Return-Path: juicingit@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f312.hotmail.com [207.82.251.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA12968 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16417 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1998 05:08:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19981201050853.16416.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.193.178 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:08:52 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.193.178] From: "John Doe" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re friday recap MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:08:52 PST > >The problem with "fast" groups is there is very often someone like this >unlicensed, inexperienced rider who wants to keep up with the others. Very true, but when he deciced to come with the fast group, he was told that the fast group was going to go at 10- 15 miles over the speed limit. He was also assured that no matter wich group he went with, he would not be left behind. Well i only checked my speedometer one when the speed picked up, when I passed a van at 105 in 3rd gear on rt55, while the others on the bigger bikes pulling away from me. My friend was simply trying to keep up, even though he was falling hoplessly behind on the Maxim. If i wouldnt have looked back to see how he was handling that turn, he would have been left for dead by the others. You all need to quit criticizing my friend for only having a learners permit. At least he had a permit and his bike was insured and registered. The cop let him go no problem so in essence he did nothing wrong. I bet he wouldnt have let us go if he saw us hauling ass down 55 at about double the speed limit. Tom ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 00:17:55 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13137 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:17:53 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA19225 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (usr8-dialup5.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.68.197]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F3900D1MTCNBV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:17:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:18:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Friday Ride Recap To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <005c01be1cea$158ade60$c54437a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >The "slow" group had a fine time. We stopped, too, when the rider went >down, but he had plenty of help from paramedics. A few of us went for >lunch in Marshall, then headed home (got home at dusk, which worked out well). >The problem with "fast" groups is there is very often someone like this >unlicensed, inexperienced rider who wants to keep up with the others. >ride smart, >Chris Norloff Yup, it seems like a double edged sword sometimes. I like to meet other bikers and ride together, but at the same time, I don't want to go out and get creamed by a inexperienced person who doesn't know how to ride in a group or at a certain pace. There is a certain amount of trust that goes along with an unknown rider. Would help if you knew how they rode, but it's a little awkward to go up and ask if you are licensed, are properly insured, what kind of experience do you have, and what pace do you ride at. Maybe we should be doing this? Wouldn't bother me...... Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 00:50:39 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13633 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.11]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 390; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:49:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3663842F.DBF3DD1C@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:52:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us , Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA MSF Courses? References: <19981127.184744.7959.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > What about that area between Manassas and Dumfries called Dumassas? ROTFLMAO! I'll have to remember that one... ;-) Even funnier, since I live between Manassas and Dumfries... Hey! Waitaminute! Come here so I can smack you! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 00:56:28 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13666 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:56:26 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr8-dialup5.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.68.197]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33510) with SMTP id <0F3900D5IV4OKB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:55:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:57:08 -0500 Subject: Re: re friday recap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <007101be1cef$712ba600$c54437a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >>snip>> >when he deciced to come with the fast group, he was told >that the fast group was going to go at 10- 15 miles over the speed >limit. Exactly, we usually go 10, 15, maybe 20 mph over ON THE STRAIGHTS. Once it gets twisty, that's out the window. If we only did 10mph over through the corners, we wouldn't be in the fast group. The "slow" group rides at least 10mph over. >He was also assured that no matter wich group he went with, he >would not be left behind. Well i only checked my speedometer one when >the speed picked up, when I passed a van at 105 in 3rd gear on rt55, >while the others on the bigger bikes pulling away from me. My friend was >simply trying to keep up, even though he was falling hoplessly behind on >the Maxim. That's funny, I don't think I've hit triple digits unless I muffed a corner or the person I'm following is not keeping up. >If i wouldnt have looked back to see how he was handling that >turn, he would have been left for dead by the others. You all need to >quit criticizing my friend for only having a learners permit. At least >he had a permit and his bike was insured and registered. The cop let him >go no problem so in essence he did nothing wrong. I bet he wouldnt have >let us go if he saw us hauling ass down 55 at about double the speed >limit. >Tom Hmm, he has a learners and you're under 21. You guys should have stayed with the slower group for sure. It's not just about you or your friend, it's about the group of people that came out to ride, not fill out accident reports. I'd be pretty pissed if my riding time was cut because some unlicensed beginner on an upright dumped it, thinking he could hang with fast, experienced, licensed riders. He got over his head and instead of slowing down and waiting for the slower group or you slowing down and riding with him, he felt rushed and pushed beyond his skills. BTW, the group stops at every turn or stop sign to make sure everybody made it. No one is out there to baby-sit, we just want to have fun - safely Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 01:10:05 1998 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA13930 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 01:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mydesktop (client196-127-25.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.25]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA16128; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 01:10:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812010610.BAA16128@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 01:02:07 -0500 To: Ray , DCCycles List From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Any interest in an ATV class? In-Reply-To: <19981130123106.2546.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This sounds like fun - the only time I tried an ATV I fell over the handlebars. :) Is this a "beginner" course? MET At 07:31 AM 11/30/98 , Ray wrote: >Any interest out there for an ATV class? I'm an ATV Safety Institute >certified instructor. I may have a place to teach in Glen Burnie >(I'll check if there's any interest) but can travel it there's enough >people. Since I don't have an ATV at the moment (no place to ride/no >place to store) there won't be a loaner available so everyone will >need their own. Same price as the ERC - double stuff Oreos and hot >chocolate. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 01:36:08 1998 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14409 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 01:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mydesktop (client196-127-25.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.25]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA19137; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 01:36:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812010636.BAA19137@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 01:30:30 -0500 To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Member List? In-Reply-To: <199812010103.UAA08002@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it's a great idea to have a single place for interested parties to post their addresses. You know, we never keep the darn things, then when we need 'em... MET At 08:03 PM 11/30/98 , Anita Lauro wrote: >Then I remembered how we tried to have a member list in a text=20 >file, and it didn't work out so well. Well, I took a stab at creating=20 >one in Excel, and uploaded it to my web space. You can view the=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 02:01:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA14891 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09767 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA28762 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA13798; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:01:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:01:19 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: battery chargers---semi-commercial Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those who didn't get one of the MCN best-buy 2-amp chargers because I ran out---I just received another shipment. Still $20; however, only one per person, please. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 02:58:31 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16377 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA06344; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:54:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:49:12 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: mileage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3662E433.2456ABD8@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > What I never did figure out the point of the newer Harleys with the LED > odometers that blank out when the bike is turned off. What's all that > about? Now you can't tell the trailer queens. ;-) Actually,the thing I find annoying is that you can only view either the odo or the tripmeter one at a time.Not a big issue since I also have a fuel gauge. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 03:00:34 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA16471 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 03:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA06361; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:57:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:55:30 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: mileage -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3662EDFD.108D2EC4@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > I'd happily pay $2-3000 for a nice used Dyna or Super Glide. > They'd be good bikes at that price. :-P If you want a cheap Harley I understand they've got good deals going on Buells. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 06:12:20 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19522 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s8.wizard.net (tc1-s8.wizard.net [206.161.15.38]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA12583 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:12:23 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: re friday recap Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 06:19:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3664ce0c.24055281@smtp.wizard.net> References: <19981201050853.16416.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19981201050853.16416.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:08:52 PST, "John Doe" wrote: >Very true, but when he deciced to come with the fast group, he was told=20 >that the fast group was going to go at 10- 15 miles over the speed=20 >limit.=20 Not to start an argument here or anything, but I heard the "fast group" defined as that before (before rides, and on this list). I really think It's misleading. If I didn't know better, I'd think I could keep up. I know better, and I know that I get left in the dust, whether it be on the straights or on the curves. =20 Somewhere along the way I got the impression that CAMS rides were not generally "fast rides." Where I got that impression, I'm not sure, but obviously I was wrong. Maybe that whole "Eat to ride, ride to eat" thing! :-) I'm sure it has a lot to do with the size of the group, and who's leading. =20 Anyhow, it looks like myself, Robert and a few others really need to keep leading "moderate" paced rides where beginners (and "moderate" speed riders) can come out and have some fun! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 06:39:13 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19886 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s8.wizard.net (tc1-s8.wizard.net [206.161.15.38]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA13742 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:39:15 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: re friday recap Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 06:46:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3665d0fe.24809789@smtp.wizard.net> References: <007101be1cef$712ba600$c54437a6@default> In-Reply-To: <007101be1cef$712ba600$c54437a6@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:57:08 -0500, dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: >Exactly, we usually go 10, 15, maybe 20 mph over ON THE STRAIGHTS. Once= it >gets twisty, that's out the window. If we only did 10mph over through = the >corners, we wouldn't be in the fast group. The "slow" group rides at = least >10mph over. Do you *really* only go 20 over on the straights? Even if you do a 25 mph turn at 75 (or higher) do you immediately slow down afterwards? I'm not saying this to be argumentative, but there is no way that the "slow group" would get left SO far behind if the "fast group" wasn't moving at warp speed. People who haven't ridden with dc-cycles (or CAMS!) before will just not understand what fast is from the description "10-15 over, faster on curves." >That's funny, I don't think I've hit triple digits unless I muffed a = corner >or the person I'm following is not keeping up. Sorry, someone in the slow group was told after the fact that the pace of the fast group on the CAMS ride was over 100 mph at times. And, they were told this by an experienced rider, on a new bike, not someone likely to be struggling to keep up. And, if you are last in line you need to go that much faster to catch up after stop signs, etc. I know, I've been there! >He got over his head and instead of >slowing down and waiting for the slower group or you slowing down and = riding >with him, he felt rushed and pushed beyond his skills. =20 You've never gotten in over your head? Or felt rushed to keep up? Even when you were a new rider? How many people like being asked if they want to go in the "slow" group? That might be a guy thing, because I've never had a problem raising my hand to be in that group. Attempts to find a more "PC" term, and make it stick, have so far been unsuccessful! :-) I think we've taken a step backwards here... we had similar discussions on this list back when the WSDY folks had their ride where too many people showed up. It is OUR job as ride leaders and ride organizers and even as "experienced group ride participants" to pass along our collective knowledge, and make sure everyone gets home safely after a ride. We can't expect rank beginners to step into our midst and instantly be up to speed on all the do's and dont's. Not when these rides are open to anyone, and posted very publicly. On Sunday's ride Brian told me that he asked the newer guys (who just joined up with us in Middleburg) to hang out at the back of the fast group until they felt comfortable. They had no problem with that and did so. I also overheard Jon and Fred (I think) talking about who they'd like to invite to go riding with them in MD from among the participants of the ride. I thought this was great. We were also very clear about the fast/slow concept, and I had a couple sport bike riders decide to hang with me and the cruisers, and we all had an enjoyable time. That's the point, right? :-) Sorry to be so long... must be the early morning hour! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 06:43:54 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19974 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:39:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: fiche reader Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:39:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I mentioned this at the time but nobody seem to see my message. I already have a micro-fiche reader! No need to get another one! Glenn > At one point in time, there was some discussion of a micro-fiche reader to > go along with the tire changer. Can't remember what came of that idea, but > there's an ad in the BMW news letter. Someone selling a fiche reader for > $50. > > BTW, what's the charge to use the tire changer for those of us who were > lazy > in sending in money for the cause? > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 07:30:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20631 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12913 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from vangogh.loudoun.com (known vangogh.loudoun.com [208.232.168.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02737 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from lcsa3.loudoun.com (sterling-internal-217.cybercable.com [204.188.41.217]) by vangogh.loudoun.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA14033 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:29:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002601be1d26$2a0e5e20$d929bccc@lcsa3.loudoun.com> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: fiche reader Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:27:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I also had one to donate, but since one is already available, that's great! I may have a few duplicate fiche for the Yamaha FJ1100. If someone would send me a mailing address, I will send, and maybe you could get a whole library eventually. -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN To: 'George Howell' ; 'DC Cycles' Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 6:52 AM Subject: RE: fiche reader >I mentioned this at the time but nobody seem to see my message. I already >have a micro-fiche reader! No need to get another one! > >Glenn > > >> At one point in time, there was some discussion of a micro-fiche reader to >> go along with the tire changer. Can't remember what came of that idea, but >> there's an ad in the BMW news letter. Someone selling a fiche reader for >> $50. >> >> BTW, what's the charge to use the tire changer for those of us who were >> lazy >> in sending in money for the cause? >> >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 07:34:01 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20708 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:33:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981201123715.2440.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send202.yahoomail.com; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 04:37:15 PST Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:37:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Any interest in an ATV class? To: "Mark E. Truelove" , DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a beginners course but it's not too slow for the experienced riders. The big difference between an ATV and MC (to a beginner) is that an ATV will not fall over while standing still. Course takes about four hours but you need an ATV since Yamaha took mine away. Ray ---"Mark E. Truelove" wrote: > > > This sounds like fun - the only time I tried an ATV I fell over the > handlebars. :) > > Is this a "beginner" course? > > MET > > At 07:31 AM 11/30/98 , Ray wrote: > >Any interest out there for an ATV class? I'm an ATV Safety Institute > >certified instructor. I may have a place to teach in Glen Burnie > >(I'll check if there's any interest) but can travel it there's enough > >people. Since I don't have an ATV at the moment (no place to ride/no > >place to store) there won't be a loaner available so everyone will > >need their own. Same price as the ERC - double stuff Oreos and hot > >chocolate. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)  http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ > 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)    1985 VF500 ('Kitty)    1972 CB350 (In Hibernation) > ============================================================================ > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 07:46:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20945 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13112 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (known portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02976 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id EAA11890 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:43:19 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:43:19 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: mileage Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:46:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I shouldn't even bother to say anything about my little 7,000 miles in one >year of weekends >>but the Big Dogs make us all look like trailer queens. :) And there's always a bigger dog Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 07:49:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20965 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13130 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (known mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA17449 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:48:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:47:50 -0500 (EST) From: Dawn Gibson To: DC Cycles Subject: slow & content Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been following the thread concerning speed for as long as I've been reading DC Cycles. I've been riding motorcycles for almost 18 years, Kawasaki, BMW and now Yamaha. I don't ride anywhere near 8000 miles in a year. I've ridden with the BMW folks and listened to their iron butt conversations with amused exasperation. And... I'm sloooowww.... very comfortable, scenery watching, cautiously slow. Always have been, always will be, and very content to be. This is one of the reasons I don't normally ride with the group rides. Everyone needs to ride thier own ride. Those who wish to ride 100+ miles an hour at dusk and weave through heavy traffic on 66 like the 3 sport bikes I saw on Saturday night, I cringe and wish them Godspeed. The fellow who wrote the other day about slow rides, don't remember his name, he had a K75s (I miss mine) gives me hope that there may actully BE someone to ride with in the area . I do worry about the riders who try to keep up with the 'fast group' but ultimately it's their choice. Hopefully they'll live to learn from the experience. We're all on two wheels and that's what counts right? Dawn, Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad *====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 08:03:46 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21228 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:03:43 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA01134 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:03:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812011303.IAA01134@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Crashing and "fast group" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:02:57 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: zbig@XXXXXX Dear John Doe ! I ride. I crashed. It sucks. In any case, blaming the group that rides too fast for your ( or someone else ) skill level is acit test that you should not ride with them. You have great tool to change it - your throttle. Roll off until speed and lean angles are cvomfortable. Yeah, I know - it hurt somewhere around ego. Belive me, it hurts much less than broken bones and torn skin. Basic rule of group ride is - yo do not feel comfortable at speed group is riding - slow down. If they won't wait for you at next road crossing, you are etitled to describe them as bunch of morons, testosteron driven speed junkies, road-hooligans, whatever. If they wait for you and haul you finally home - that is group ride dynamics. Yes, I was hanging back quite a few times. Yes, I dropped from rides when my skill level was not up to my expectations, or my gear was causing to me to too much distraction. I am happy to be alive and in one piece. If you feel you can hang with fast group, it mean you are experienced rider. if you are finding that they ride too fast - tough luck. You will have your choice on next ride. Your friend made a mistake - he went over his head - trying to catch up with a faster group. Streets are not a racing circuit. if you cannot ride with someone comfortably, tell him so - or slow down. Anita, my experience from fast group is that it is 5-10 above posted limit on straights; in curves, all bets are off. After turns, we slow down. Difference is that slow group slows down into turns, increasing instantly distance. Depending on the rider, some will pick up pace little more out of turns; other will push through turns more. When I am leading ride ( rarely :-) and I see new faces, I am not familiar with, I will purposefully slow down pace just to give everyone additional cushion of safety. But that is me. Other I know and ride with will go as usually, hoping that newcomer has at least enough brain to keep his pace at comfortable level for him. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 08:57:22 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22052 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04786 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:58:35 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC44@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Thoughts and reflections Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:58:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I wasn't on the ride on Friday, so I can't talk a whole lot about it, but I do lead a lot of the faster groupsso I can discuss that some... I think part of what happened on Friday was a communication failure. When the two new riders were told that they wouldn't be left behind, it appears they interpreted that as meaning they wouldn't ever lose sight of the person in front of them...When I lead a ride, I tend to stress the point that everyone should ride their own comfor t level and that as a leader, I will stop at the next turn and wait for everyone to show up. I know some of the group that lead the way on Friday, and no offense intended, but a couple of them do like to pop into the triple digits here and there. I do too, but it's generally at the racetrack or when I'm with a select few riders that I've known for a long long time...I prefer to ride ina fashion similar to "The Pace" article by Nick Ienatch (someone help me with a link for those who havn't heard of it). I generally stick around 70 mph and keep it there...corners and all... that way I'm getting all I can out of the corners, but those that take them a bit slower can have a chance to close the distance a bit in the straights... if I see that folks are falling behind and having to push too hard in the straights to catch up, I slow down a bit in the straights... While leading the ride on Sunday, I never once topped 80 mph...most of the time I rarely topped 70. And from what I heard it still sounded like everyone had a good time. I didn't speak directly to the new faces to the fast group cause I knew Brian already had, and he and I ride by the same philosophies for the most part. As someone mentioned, YOU are the one that controls your destiny to a point. If you're not comfortable with the pace, SLOW DOWN. It's a hell of a lot better to get lost out in Loudoun county somewhere than be dead on the side of the road. And yes Anita, it is a guy thing unfortunately. That poison testosterone tends to make us competitive by nature and always trying to measure or $%&# legth. I won't stand for that on a ride I lead. If I see that kind of thing going on, I will stop and tell them to cut it out.. If they still don't get the message, I'll simply slow it down to under the speed limit, jump on the nearest superslab and head home. Everyone should be there to have fun and enjoy riding...It's not a race, it's a ride. If you want to do the former, come ouot to the track and I'll school you a bit :) If you like the latter, come on out, there's a great amount of local road knowledge on the list and we've had numerous successful rides. Speaking of the track and fast riders in general. Know this: There is ALWAYS someone out there that is faster than you! Take it to the track if you want to find out where your skills stand. It's quite humbling when you're pushing at 110% of your ability and two bikes come around you like you were standing still!!! But from those experiences you learn...even if it's one turn at a time. As for the comment about equipment, i'm gonna have to call you on it Roy :) I'm sure the tires and suspension on my Maxim are in much worse condition than the new fella's Maxim and you knew that but stayed right behind me the previous ride :) I see your concerns about liabilities of the whole permit versus licensed rider over 21. However, as a lawyer, I'm sure you know that from the less than loose organization of the groups heading out, any good lawyer could protect you from liability caused by the new rider. That's not a situation I want to look into though. If I ever show up to a ride and people are talking about liability/waivers, etc. I will promptly leave and probably never show up to another DC-Cycles ride, but rather ride only with a few select friends. I'm in it for the pleasure of riding, and when it isn't pleasurable I won't be there... Friday was unfortunate, but crashes happen. If you ride long enough it'll happen to you too. So rather than beating these two guys up and chasing them off the list, let's make sure they know our thoughts are with them for a speedy recovery to them and the bike, and do what we can to make the next ride they come on a successful and pleasurable one.. Well, I've thought and reflected enough for now.. sure I forgot something or didn't communicate something quite the way I intended...I'd be happy to talk about anything discussed.. Collin From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:03:13 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22134 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A71D2110250; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:03:09 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981201085637.00fb20f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:02:59 -0500 To: "John Doe" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: re friday recap In-Reply-To: <19981201050853.16416.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:08 AM 12/1/98 , "John Doe" or "Tom" wrote: >Well i only checked my speedometer one when >the speed picked up, when I passed a van at 105 in 3rd gear on rt55, >while the others on the bigger bikes pulling away from me. My friend was >simply trying to keep up, Mistake. Ride your own ride, not the other guy's. > even though he was falling hoplessly behind on >the Maxim. If i wouldnt have looked back to see how he was handling that >turn, he would have been left for dead by the others. You all need to >quit criticizing my friend for only having a learners permit. Why doesn't he have a license? Surely someone who thinks he is skilled enough to keep up with 105mph racer wannabe's is skilled enough to pass the skills test. > At least >he had a permit and his bike was insured and registered. The cop let him >go no problem so in essence he did nothing wrong. Riding over your head, riding with bad tires, and failing to negotiate a turn is "nothing wrong"? >I bet he wouldnt have >let us go if he saw us hauling ass down 55 at about double the speed >limit. >Tom Agreed. Streets are no place for racer boys. Take it on the track where the real racers are. How about signing your real name on your email messages? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:03:15 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22136 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA15679 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A71E2110250; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:03:10 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981201090335.00fb3df0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:06:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Friday Ride Recap In-Reply-To: <005c01be1cea$158ade60$c54437a6@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:18 AM 12/1/98 , dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: > There is a certain amount of trust that goes >along with an unknown rider. Would help if you knew how they rode, but it's >a little awkward to go up and ask if you are licensed, are properly insured, >what kind of experience do you have, and what pace do you ride at. Maybe we >should be doing this? Wouldn't bother me...... >Jon You can get some of this just by visiting with the person. I agree that it's awkward and a little insulting to grill the new guy. You can tell a lot just by how they ride. Riders who are nothing but throttle-twisters will demonstrate that fact on the very first turn. At sane speeds, just having enough room around you will usually be enough (though I still like to be the last one in line). At stupid speeds, you have to have a lot of trust in the riders around you. It's not like a race track where you know the others actually have some qualifications. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:10:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22250 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13961 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04705 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Tue Dec 1 08:10 CST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA15179 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:10:00 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE1D0A.5753F0F0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:09:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Inexperienced Rider . . . Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:09:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to be nosy but, did anyone see the accident with the unlicensed rider? I seem to be a little sketchy on the details. (I tend to try & learn from others mistakes) As much as it pained me to read about Anita's accident, for example, I felt I learned something from it. --John 98 VFR (Fixed my electric vest & now it's 60 + degrees outside) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:11:14 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22268 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05737 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:56:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:12:26 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC47@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: [gsxr] New 98 GSXR750 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:12:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain For anyone contemplating one heck of a machine, these are some very sweet prices. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Neault [SMTP:dneault@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 3:50 PM > To: 'GSX-R mailing list' > Subject: RE: [gsxr] Used 98 GSXR750 > > I can sell you a brand new 98 for 7900$ ship to your door or a 99 for > 8300$ > > > David Neault > Phone: (888) 874-2795 > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:23:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22517 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:22:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14075 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05094 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06399; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:23:09 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC48@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: electic vest was--->RE: Inexperienced Rider . . . Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:23:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Whadya mean... it was 65 degrees outside this morning without a vest :) You sure they didn't install a compressor and evaporator on it to give you air conditioning :) Just giving you a hard time John.. Your's is homemade, correct? What clothing did you sew the wiring into? Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 9:19 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Inexperienced Rider . . . > > --John > 98 VFR > (Fixed my electric vest & now it's 60 + degrees outside) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:30:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22672 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14132 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05280 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zkqop-0007AI-01; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:30:23 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:28:07 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DCA1ED1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Weather....was...Inexperienced Rider . . . Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:27:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I know, this weather is unbelievable! I put on my leathers & a sweatshirt today and was sweating by the time I got to work! The funniest part is, I have some e-mail/internet buddies in CA who say it's disgusting out there and they can't ride!! Did we switch weather or something? LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 > --John > 98 VFR > (Fixed my electric vest & now it's 60 + degrees outside) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:35:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22766 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14191 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:35:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05432 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Tue Dec 1 08:35 CST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA21830 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:34:55 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE1D0D.D0BB51B0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:34:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Fagan,Collin'" Subject: RE: electric vest was--->RE: Inexperienced Rider . . . Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:34:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ><You >sure they didn't install a compressor and evaporator on it to give you air conditioning :)>> OK. I fixed it about 2 weeks ago when it was 32 one morning. I used it all of one other time since then. <What clothing did you sew the wiring into? Collin)>> YES, this would be the homemade one. I sewed the wire into my liner that came with the Joe Rocket jacket. Just as Sue Huff outlined in her page, the hard part was connecting the thin 30 gauge wire to the relatively thick 16 gauge wire of the connector. (connector came from Trak Auto) This time around I sewed the connector TO the jacket so when it gets tugged on by accident or through normal use, it tugs on the jacket liner and not on the actual soldered wire connection. I also wrapped a solid piece of doorbell wire around the soldered connection and soldered that to the 16 gauge as well. Darned if it comes apart now! --John >98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:49:45 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22940 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s32.wizard.net (tc1-s32.wizard.net [206.161.15.62]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26795; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:49:21 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Fagan, Collin LT" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Thoughts and reflections Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:56:41 -0500 Message-ID: <36670234.37409868@smtp.wizard.net> References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC44@MSCEX> In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC44@MSCEX> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:58:33 -0500 , "Fagan, Collin LT" wrote: >When the two new riders were told that they wouldn't be left behind, it = appears >they interpreted that as meaning they wouldn't ever lose sight of the = person >in front of them...When I lead a ride, I tend to stress the point that >everyone should ride their own comfor t level and that as a leader, I = will >stop at the next turn and wait for everyone to show up. And, most of the time, you remember to wait! :-)=20 Seriously, though, I think you hit on a good point here. There is something definitely disconcerting about seeing the folks in front of you disappear, especially if you don't know they'll be waiting at the next stop or turn! >Friday was unfortunate, but crashes happen. If you ride long enough = it'll >happen to you too. So rather than beating these two guys up and chasing >them off the list, let's make sure they know our thoughts are with them = for >a speedy recovery to them and the bike, and do what we can to make the = next >ride they come on a successful and pleasurable one.. I agree... and I think you said it better than I did! If we ran off everyone who crashed, this list would be a rather lonely place! :-) =20 Anita '96 GPZ1100 (crashing sucks!) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:50:34 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23011 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:50:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812011450.JAA23011@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:49:28 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:44:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) -----Original Message----- From: 2xracers@XXXXXX [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:57:08 -0500, dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: >Exactly, we usually go 10, 15, maybe 20 mph over ON THE STRAIGHTS. Once it >gets twisty, that's out the window. If we only did 10mph over through the >corners, we wouldn't be in the fast group. The "slow" group rides at least >10mph over. Do you *really* only go 20 over on the straights? Even if you do a 25 mph turn at 75 (or higher) do you immediately slow down afterwards? I'm not saying this to be argumentative, but there is no way that the "slow group" would get left SO far behind if the "fast group" wasn't moving at warp speed. People who haven't ridden with dc-cycles (or CAMS!) before will just not understand what fast is from the description "10-15 over, faster on curves." Actually, yes - I was watching our pace quite often on Sunday (I had a bad feeling all day for some reason) and my speedo was hovering at the 85mph mark.. I know for certain fact that indicated 90mph on my bike is 75mph actual (calibrated curtsey of some state police once.. confirmed with 2nd bike running stock speedo AND a digital bicycle speedo). Now I assume most the roads we're on are posted 55, which may not be true. As for the corners.. typically, it seems to be twice the posted recommended speed (45 = 90, 30 = 60, 25 = 50.. etc). When you come out of the corner, you back off to let the people in back catch up - and they will probably be going faster curtsy of the whiplash effect - but not all the much if they're riding the same pace as the front runners.... On Sunday's ride Brian told me that he asked the newer guys (who just joined up with us in Middleburg) to hang out at the back of the fast group until they felt comfortable. They had no problem with that and did so. I told the guys that we typically broke into 2 groups.. a faster and a more moderate group. They jumped right in and said that they wanted to be in the fast group.. fine and dandy. That's when I asked them to hang out in back for awhile, and that they should change pecking order at one of the stops. I let them know that we were out for a good, fun ride, and didn't really want to pick up the pieces of a bike. I also let them know that we stopped and waited for everyone at each stop and most turns. Then I went off to Collin and asked that he keep it moderate for awhile because we did have 4 new-to-us riders in the group. This was done.. and, as it turned out, we probably didn't need to worry about it.. but I feel better being on the safe side.. It also hopefully made a good impression on the newcomers as well.. This was all on my own, no prompting.. it's what I'd expect were I to join a group somewhere. I did look over their bikes quickly (without drawing much attention to what I was doing) as well.. tires were good, chains were adjusted, sprockets looked not worn, and they just looked to be well-kept machines.. made me feel a little better just to know that, if nothing else, their bikes weren't the weakest part of the combination.. If I didn't know Collin.. he'd never get to ride fast with me on that heap he likes to call a motorcycle *grin* .. need to call that boy *avoid disaster man*... Brian just my $.02 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:50:50 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23012 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from wowbager (dynamic49.cais.com [207.226.56.49]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28523 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:49:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981201094719.006dc4c8@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:47:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Subject: Re: Crashing and "fast group" In-Reply-To: <199812011303.IAA01134@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ----------Snip---------- >When I am leading ride ( rarely :-) and I see new faces, I am not >familiar with, I will purposefully slow down pace just to give >everyone additional cushion of safety. But that is me. Other I know >and ride with will go as usually, hoping that newcomer has at least >enough brain to keep his pace at comfortable level for him. > >_zjt >-- >******************************************************************** >Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX >Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... > Some of the best advice I have received has come from this man. The advice was something along the lines of, If you feel that you are having to push yourself to keep up, then you are in over your head. Riding should not be too much work, Your ride should flow from one turn to the next. I find myself in between the Aggressive pack and the relaxed paced riders. All in all a pretty good place to be, you wont be left behind because of those that follow, (not that this group would leave you anyway) and the riders in front of you can alert you to any upcoming hazards. They also provide advanced awareness to any cagers on the road that there are motorcyclists on the road. (I hope) I hope to improve my riding, and one day find that the pace which is comfortable for me, is the same pace that is comfortable for the more aggressive riders. Sorry if this is a bit long. MY .02 cents Mike B. 98 ZX 900R From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:56:07 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23050 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s32.wizard.net (tc1-s32.wizard.net [206.161.15.62]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA27437 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:56:10 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crashing and "fast group" Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:03:30 -0500 Message-ID: <366b0537.38181004@smtp.wizard.net> References: <199812011303.IAA01134@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> In-Reply-To: <199812011303.IAA01134@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:02:57 -0500 (EST), zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) wrote: >I ride. I crashed. It sucks. In any case, blaming the group that=20 >rides too fast for your ( or someone else ) skill level is acit test >that you should not ride with them. You have great tool to change it - >your throttle. Roll off until speed and lean angles are cvomfortable.=20 I believe Tom was responding to the negative comments that had already been posted about his friend. Defending him, so to speak. I can understand that, especially since his friend is not on dc-cycles. In any event, I do wish him a speedy recovery, and I hope that he can get back on the road soon. Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:58:07 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23141 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:00:11 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:00:07 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:56:55 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: polaris victory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Folks, No time to chat or check my in box, gotta plane to catch, but this just in from Joe Parkhurst's Motorcycle Business Newsletter: "Following several reported fires, Polaris has issued a recall on the fuel system for leaks, and the tail light for failing bulbs due to chattering in the socket. The recall is for the fuel sender which may leak due to improper manufacturing, the fuel filter which can leak for the same reason, and the fuel line hose clamp for failing to seal. The recall affects models from VIN 5VPCB15D"X30000001-X30000061, about 60 bikes." Victory, meet Real Life. Real Life, Victory. Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 10:04:47 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23301 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s32.wizard.net (tc1-s32.wizard.net [206.161.15.62]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28256; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:04:46 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:12:06 -0500 Message-ID: <366d05ca.38327478@smtp.wizard.net> References: <199812011450.JAA23011@meretrix.com> In-Reply-To: <199812011450.JAA23011@meretrix.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:44:39 -0800 , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Actually, yes - I was watching our pace quite often on Sunday (I had >a bad feeling all day for some reason) and my speedo was hovering at the >85mph mark..=20 Maybe it was Bambi jumping in front of me at the beginning of the ride? I was certainly on alert for the rest of the ride! :-) Okay, so I was wrong about you guy's speeds (I'm woman enough to admit it!!)... but since I usually ride 10-15 over, I figured you were going faster than that! :-) I don't do corners at 2X, though! I tried one at 3X once.... crash, scrape, scrape, ugh! :-) >This was all on my own, no prompting.. it's what I'd expect were I to = join a >group somewhere.=20 D*mn Brian, you're good! :-) Remind me to invite you to all my rides! :-) It's great that you were able to "integrate" the new folks, without bashing any male egos along the way, and everyone wound up where they wanted to be. I thought Sunday's ride was extremely successful in allowing everyone to have a good time. Definite kudos to Collin and you for that! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 10:23:49 1998 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23620 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:23:47 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA17047; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:25:25 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016885; Tue, 1 Dec 98 10:24:57 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F3A00H9NLCWVF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566CD.0053F0BC ; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:16:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:14:40 -0500 Subject: Motorcycle Racing on TV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566CD.0053CDBB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Just a quick note to those who might want to know: I noticed in the December TV listings that ESPN2 will be showing an hour of motorcycle racing this weekend. I'm sorry I can't be more specific about the time, but I don't have the listings in front of me while I type this. I'm pretty sure it was on Sunday during the middle of the day some time, but don't quote me on that. For those of us who don't get SpeedVision, this is a rare chance to watch this sort of stuff on TV. Chris Weaver '92 Seca II ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 10:27:56 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23698 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA00752; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981201152715.EUTF5890@toddnt>; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:27:15 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Subject: RE: **You Missed Something About Sunday's Ride!!** Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:28:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be1d3f$3c62b6c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <39f09746.36633e0e@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This message is well received LilBkrBabe. I will always stop to help a downtime rider and sometimes even (aaack!) a cager. Once I even took a local military type into work as his '70s Suzuki had died out in the HOV lanes on 95. I'm not superstitious or anything like that but you know what they say, "what comes around goes around." Nobody can be in such a hurry that they couldn't stop and at least make sure that the downtime is alright, safe and waiting for assistance. Carry a cell phone folks and don't forget the various offers to help right here. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX [mailto:LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 7:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; SJordan185@XXXXXX > Subject: **You Missed Something About Sunday's Ride!!** > > > Anita, the ride was spectacular. Very well planned, organized > and executed. > Great job! Thank you. > > What you all don't know is that Stan's (SJordan185@XXXXXX) bike lost all > electrical power and literally died on 340 N just a few miles > outside of Front > Royal heading toward Winchester. > > We were very fortunate that Snake (snake69@XXXXXX) decided to > go back home > our way so we had transportation to a phone. When Snake & I returned from > calling for help, there was another bike (Tom & his Gold Wing), a police > officer (a Harley rider) and another motorist (yet another rider) > that were > gathered around Stan and the bike as if to be in mourning. > > Then the flatbed came to tow Stan's bike to the Winchester HD. As we all > watched we hummed Amazing Grace as it drove off. > > To once again prove the goodness of bikers everywhere, Tom, the > total stranger > on the GW, and Snake (an incredible friend) rode Stan and I to > Hagerstown, > nearly 50 miles from Winchester! That saved the cost of towing > the bike to > Hagerstown, which was $40 for 10 miles to the dealership. The > tow truck guy > was even kind enough to deliver Stan's keys to the dealership in > Winchester so > that Stan wouldn't have to ride back the next day. THANK YOU all!! > > Although this was an inconvenient situation for at least a half a dozen > people, I've never been prouder than being a part of the biking community. > There was never a moments hesitation in Snake & Tom, they just > did what needed > to be done to help. > > Regardless of what bike you ride, you'll always have that chance to break > down. Although, odds are better if you ride a Harley... (Only > kidding honey, > I love the bike, and I still want a Heritage... but I just had > to!) We'll > repay the favor to Tom and Snake, even though it may not be Tom & Snake > directly, we will help out someone else who winds up on the side > of the road > mourning their bike. Thanks again. > > P.S. Go easy on Stan guys... I have a Yamaha V-Star Classic, and > I don't want > to hear "I told you so" if I ever break down! > Ride Safely, la > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 10:41:47 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23890 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 291; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:40:23 -0500 Message-ID: <36640E38.4E2F203@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:41:44 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: mileage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > Actually,the thing I find annoying is that you can only view either > the odo or the tripmeter one at a time.Not a big issue since I also > have a fuel gauge. Interesting. I think if (when?) I get a Harley, I'd have to go with the old-style analog gauges. I'd have to have a tach, too. I've heard too many bad things about the LCD gauges being cold-weather sensitive, and condensation on the insides during cool weather. Ick. Any other gripes? I'm very interested in your experiences with the Dyna. Hoping you have better luck than with the (cough, spit) Buells. What's routine maintenance like? Gil, didn't you have a web page or something where you wrote up your experiences with the Buells? I'd like to check it out. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 10:49:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24075 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15115 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:49:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07940 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA25797; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981201154836.FCLJ5890@toddnt>; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:48:36 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "George Howell" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: fiche reader Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:49:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be1d42$3813eeb0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <003801be1ccc$2aa64b40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 $15 each tire. > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 8:45 PM > To: DC Cycles Mailing List > Subject: fiche reader > > > At one point in time, there was some discussion of a micro-fiche reader to > go along with the tire changer. Can't remember what came of that idea, but > there's an ad in the BMW news letter. Someone selling a fiche reader for > $50. > > BTW, what's the charge to use the tire changer for those of us > who were lazy > in sending in money for the cause? > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 10:59:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24274 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15286 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08494 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA06336; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981201155847.FGPL5890@toddnt>; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:58:47 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Ursulina Viteri" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: mileage Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be1d43$a422c8f0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <009e01be1cef$64dcb560$0341accf@ursulina> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Actually, 52 weekends = 104 days or a little more than three months. And I know you don't ride every weekend, but if you did that would be 67+ miles a day. I'd say you're doing pretty good! Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Ursulina Viteri [mailto:ursulina@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 12:57 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: mileage > > > I shouldn't even bother to say anything about my little 7,000 miles in one > year of weekends. That's like a ride around the block for some of these > iron-butted folks! ;-D > > - - Ursulina > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: mileage > > > >On 30 Nov 98, at 11:40, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > >> I know what you mean. 8k in 3 months is pretty close to my > >> pace with the Concours so far. I've run up 22710 miles in the > >> 8 months since I bought the bike new. We've got nothing to be ashamed > of, > >> mileage-wise, but the Big Dogs make us all look like trailer > queens. :) > > > >Alright, alright, I'm a total and complete wimp... I'll never mention > >my puny mileage again! :-) > > > >Anita > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:00:00 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24277 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00960 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:43 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Motorcycle Racing on TV In-Reply-To: <852566CD.0053CDBB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I noticed in the December TV listings that ESPN2 will be showing an hour of > motorcycle racing this weekend. I'm sorry I can't be more specific about > the time, but I don't have the listings in front of me while I type this. There are at least 4 GP races and a formula extreme race on Speedvision today as well. I think the races are the Spanish and Malaysian GPs. Luckily enough, I haven't followed GP racing so even though they're april and may races I'll still be on the edge of my seat... Check www.speedvision.com for listings. We just had speedvision turned on yesterday. For those without speedvision or with the speedvision/outdoor life combo all I have to say is, nyah, nyah, nyah! Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:05:18 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24451 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01048 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:05:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:05:07 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: mileage In-Reply-To: <36640E38.4E2F203@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > > Actually,the thing I find annoying is that you can only view either > > the odo or the tripmeter one at a time.Not a big issue since I also > > have a fuel gauge. > > Interesting. I think if (when?) I get a Harley, I'd have to > go with the old-style analog gauges. I'd have to have a tach, too. > I've heard too many bad things about the LCD gauges being cold-weather > sensitive, and condensation on the insides during cool weather. Ick. Make note that many of the japanese manufacturers are going with digital guages too (e.g., the Honda SuperHawk). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:06:05 1998 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@[207.124.52.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24456 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA31664 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:07:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199812011707.MAA31664@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:06:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Bike trouble Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) I have heard once that if you put your helmet to the front or the rear of the bike ( I forget which) It serves as a distress signal to other riders. Does anyone know if there is any truth to this? Cheers, -John Newman 1988 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:15:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24659 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15502 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (known peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09051 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:15:49 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913516B5@ZEUS.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: FW: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:15:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > > On Sunday's ride Brian told me that he asked the newer guys (who just > joined up with us in Middleburg) to hang out at the back of the fast > group until they felt comfortable. They had no problem with that and > did so. > > > I told the guys that we typically broke into 2 groups.. a faster and a > more > moderate group. They jumped right in and said that they wanted to be in > the > fast group.. fine and dandy. That's when I asked them to hang out in back > for awhile, and that they should change pecking order at one of the stops. > I let them know that we were out for a good, fun ride, and didn't really > want to pick up the pieces of a bike. I also let them know that we > stopped > and waited for everyone at each stop and most turns. Then I went off to > Collin and asked that he keep it moderate for awhile because we did have 4 > new-to-us riders in the group. This was done.. and, as it turned out, we > probably didn't need to worry about it.. but I feel better being on the > safe > side.. It also hopefully made a good impression on the newcomers as > well.. > [Suazo, Tony] > My cousin Cesar and I enjoyed the ride. It was a lot of fun. There's > been a lot of discussion about this topic already, but I was compelled to > write some as well. My cousin has been riding for about 20 years (CBR 900 > RR). He got me started. This is my second season (CBR 600 F3 -- 5k last > year EX 500 -- 3K). > > My cousin was able to keep up with the group, but I would fall back from > time to time. I know that I'll improve with experience. On two > occasions, as the last guy, I got stuck behind a truck on the first leg > and behind a car on the second leg. Now, that really puts you back. But, > I rode the best I could, and the group did stop and wait for me to catch > up. My cousin and I have a saying, "There are no trophies at the end.". > > Also, the "slow" group wasn't that slow. Each time that we would stop, > they weren't but a few minutes behind. > > This was all on my own, no prompting.. it's what I'd expect were I to join > a > group somewhere. I did look over their bikes quickly (without drawing > much > attention to what I was doing) as well.. tires were good, chains were > adjusted, sprockets looked not worn, and they just looked to be well-kept > machines.. made me feel a little better just to know that, if nothing > else, > their bikes weren't the weakest part of the combination.. > [Suazo, Tony] > > My cousin and I were also checking over bikes. It's a we didn't know you, > and you don't know us type of thing. I look forward to the next ride. > > If I didn't know > Collin.. he'd never get to ride fast with me on that heap he likes to call > a > motorcycle *grin* .. need to call that boy *avoid disaster man*... > > Brian just my $.02 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:18:56 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24701 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id IAA04459 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:15:39 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:15:39 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike trouble Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:18:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I have heard once that if you put your helmet to the front or >the rear of the bike ( I forget which) It serves as a distress >signal to other riders. Haven't heard that - but a partially dismantled engine by the side of the road or the biker frantically waving arms are good signs that something is amiss ;-) Anyhoo - I've never passed a stopped biker who looked like he (or she (but it's usually a he)) was having trouble. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:27:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24854 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15760 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (known portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09647 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id IAA05914 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:23:58 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:23:58 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:26:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >My cousin and I have a saying, "There are no trophies at the end.". Actually, there are, but Collin usually has them stowed somewhere on his bike by the time the slow group (or anyone else, for that matter) catches up... ;-) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:30:15 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (send201.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24940 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:30:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981201163257.25714.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send201.yahoomail.com; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 08:32:57 PST Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:32:57 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Bike trouble To: John Newman Cc: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In some places it's common to put your helmet by the side of the road between you and traffic to signal you need help. o helmet XXX bike ---John Newman wrote: > > I have heard once that if you put your helmet to the front or > the rear of the bike ( I forget which) It serves as a distress > signal to other riders. > > Does anyone know if there is any truth to this? > > Cheers, > > -John Newman > 1988 FZR 400 > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:42:46 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25154 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06100 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:42:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199812011642.LAA06100@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:42:07 -0500 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Member List [Update] Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Okay, I've gotten lots of positive feedback and suggestions. My plan is to design a form where you can enter your info online, rather than me have tons of emails floating around. Once I get that form up (within the next few days), I'll post the URL. This will be totally voluntary, of course, and if you don't want to fill in some stuff, you can just leave the fields blank. I'm a newbie to this web publishing stuff, so it will definitely be a "work in progress" as far as adding links, pictures, etc. I've been wanting to learn how to do it for a while now, and there's nothing like a little real life project to get your feet wet on! :-) Thanks! Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:48:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25247 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16017 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10464 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06654 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:47:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199812011647.LAA06654@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:47:11 -0500 Subject: Re: FW: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Priority: normal In-reply-to: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913516B5@ZEUS.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 1 Dec 98, at 11:15, Suazo, Tony wrote: > > My cousin was able to keep up with the group, but I would fall back from > > time to time. I know that I'll improve with experience. On two > > occasions, as the last guy, I got stuck behind a truck on the first leg > > and behind a car on the second leg. Now, that really puts you back. Traffic can really mess with the "slow group" as well... I hesitate to pass cars because I'm not sure if everyone in the group will be comfortable with doing that. Sometimes you just gotta, though! :-) On Sunday I think the "fast group" softened up the cars a bit... people kept pulling off the road to let us go on by! :-) > > Also, the "slow" group wasn't that slow. Each time that we would stop, > > they weren't but a few minutes behind. That's nice to know! :-) By the time we pull up, everyone usually has their helmets off, and is standing around looking bored! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:49:26 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25266 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:49:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06794 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:49:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199812011649.LAA06794@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:48:42 -0500 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Member List [Update] Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199812011642.LAA06100@radagast.wizard.net> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Oops, forgot to mention that Todd and I are going to try to incorporate some of the "map data" from the signup sheet at his party! Should be pretty cool! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 12:27:37 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25945 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:22:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: mileage Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:22:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Yep and the VFR 800 has them too and at first I didn't like them but now I do. It has a digital water/air temp, odometer, plus two trip odometers. Oh and a digital fuel gauge that when you start getting near empty the last bar starts flashing. Now I wouldn't want the speedo (like the R1 and R6) or tach but I don't mind the others. Glenn > Make note that many of the japanese manufacturers are going with digital > guages too (e.g., the Honda SuperHawk). > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:10:13 1998 Return-Path: Tony.Allen@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26715 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:02:49 -0500 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 01 Dec 1998 13:02:48 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 01 Dec 1998 13:02:48 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0704B36642F48001-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0704B36642F48001 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Tony.Allen@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0704B36642F48001*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=tasc/s=Allen/g=Tony/@MHS> Date: 01 Dec 1998 13:02:48 -0500 From: Tony Allen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Message-Id: <0704B36642F48001*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=tasc/s=Allen/g=Tony/@MHS> I'm one of the new guys that rode in the (A) group this past Sunday. As stated, I along with the other new comers, was asked to ride in the back of that group. It felt good to to know that they cared about their safety as well as mine. I never felt that I had to be as quick as anyone else and the pace was reasonable for my current abilities. I always felt that I did not have to be at the front, but still enjoy the ride knowing that the group would wait up around the bend. New riders should be made welcome and to know that they are not wimps if they can not ride at the same pace as the front runners. I thank you for making my brother and I feel welcome. Thanks for the ride. Tony ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Author: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX at Internet Date: 12/1/98 10:04 AM -----Original Message----- From: 2xracers@XXXXXX [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:57:08 -0500, dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: >Exactly, we usually go 10, 15, maybe 20 mph over ON THE STRAIGHTS. Once it >gets twisty, that's out the window. If we only did 10mph over through the >corners, we wouldn't be in the fast group. The "slow" group rides at least >10mph over. Do you *really* only go 20 over on the straights? Even if you do a 25 mph turn at 75 (or higher) do you immediately slow down afterwards? I'm not saying this to be argumentative, but there is no way that the "slow group" would get left SO far behind if the "fast group" wasn't moving at warp speed. People who haven't ridden with dc-cycles (or CAMS!) before will just not understand what fast is from the description "10-15 over, faster on curves." Actually, yes - I was watching our pace quite often on Sunday (I had a bad feeling all day for some reason) and my speedo was hovering at the 85mph mark.. I know for certain fact that indicated 90mph on my bike is 75mph actual (calibrated curtsey of some state police once.. confirmed with 2nd bike running stock speedo AND a digital bicycle speedo). Now I assume most the roads we're on are posted 55, which may not be true. As for the corners.. typically, it seems to be twice the posted recommended speed (45 = 90, 30 = 60, 25 = 50.. etc). When you come out of the corner, you back off to let the people in back catch up - and they will probably be going faster curtsy of the whiplash effect - but not all the much if they're riding the same pace as the front runners.... On Sunday's ride Brian told me that he asked the newer guys (who just joined up with us in Middleburg) to hang out at the back of the fast group until they felt comfortable. They had no problem with that and did so. I told the guys that we typically broke into 2 groups.. a faster and a more moderate group. They jumped right in and said that they wanted to be in the fast group.. fine and dandy. That's when I asked them to hang out in back for awhile, and that they should change pecking order at one of the stops. I let them know that we were out for a good, fun ride, and didn't really want to pick up the pieces of a bike. I also let them know that we stopped and waited for everyone at each stop and most turns. Then I went off to Collin and asked that he keep it moderate for awhile because we did have 4 new-to-us riders in the group. This was done.. and, as it turned out, we probably didn't need to worry about it.. but I feel better being on the safe side.. It also hopefully made a good impression on the newcomers as well.. This was all on my own, no prompting.. it's what I'd expect were I to join a group somewhere. I did look over their bikes quickly (without drawing much attention to what I was doing) as well.. tires were good, chains were adjusted, sprockets looked not worn, and they just looked to be well-kept machines.. made me feel a little better just to know that, if nothing else, their bikes weren't the weakest part of the combination.. If I didn't know Collin.. he'd never get to ride fast with me on that heap he likes to call a motorcycle *grin* .. need to call that boy *avoid disaster man*... Brian just my $.02 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:14:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26794 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17982 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14519 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23092; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:15:19 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC4D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:15:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Shhh, don't tell.... Why do you think I had the trunk on the bike last sunday!! Except for the not once, but twice that I followed the wrong fork midway through rte 606 while quickly pointing an arm so the rest of the group headed the right direction... > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 11:39 AM > To: DC Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap > > >My cousin and I have a saying, "There are no trophies at the end.". > > Actually, there are, but Collin usually has them stowed somewhere on his > bike by the time the slow group (or anyone else, for that matter) catches > up... ;-) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:23:54 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 216; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:22:26 -0500 Message-ID: <36643432.6713CF62@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:23:46 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ursulina@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: mileage References: <000701be1d43$a422c8f0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ditto! 7000 in one year in this area is nothing to be ashamed of. Especially considering that you only get to ride on weekends. ;) Dale Todd Peer wrote: > but if you did that would be 67+ miles a > day. I'd say you're doing pretty good! > > Todd >> I shouldn't even bother to say anything about my little 7,000 miles >> in one year of weekends. That's like a ride around the block for >> some of these iron-butted folks! ;-D >> >> - - Ursulina Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:25:07 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27026 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 301; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:23:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3664347C.92E4EA31@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:25:00 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: mileage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > > Make note that many of the japanese manufacturers are going with > digital guages too (e.g., the Honda SuperHawk). Uh, oh! Looks like I've gotta start ranting about new bikes again. Hmmm, last time I did that, I ended up with one... :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:34:50 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27247 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 259; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:33:21 -0500 Message-ID: <366436C2.D8103ECB@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:34:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: mileage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn, How accurate is the fuel gauge? My Concours used to be terribly pessimistic (i.e. it would read empty with 3 or 4 gallons left in the tank) before I fixed it. The Connie has the old style lever arm and float thingy. I wonder how the VFR is set up. Dale Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > Yep and the VFR 800 has them too and at first I didn't like them but now I > do. It has a digital water/air temp, odometer, plus two trip odometers. > Oh and a digital fuel gauge that when you start getting near empty the last > bar starts flashing. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:48:22 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27576 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: mileage Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:43:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Come on now Horkster, its a Honda of course its going to be accurate! Seriously is seems to be fairly pretty much right on the money as far as I can tell. You can ask the at least 3 other VFR 800 owners on the list and I'm sure you'll get the same response. Glenn > How accurate is the fuel gauge? My Concours used to be terribly > pessimistic (i.e. it would read empty with 3 or 4 gallons left > in the tank) before I fixed it. The Connie has the old style > lever arm and float thingy. I wonder how the VFR is set up. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:50:47 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27697 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:45:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: mileage Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:45:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I only ride weekends too and have racked up 3700+ miles on the VFR for the 3 months I've owned it and another 5500+ miles on the Magna since about April. Glenn > Ditto! 7000 in one year in this area is nothing > to be ashamed of. Especially considering that you > only get to ride on weekends. ;) > > > > but if you did that would be 67+ miles a > > day. I'd say you're doing pretty good! > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 14:07:43 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28042 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:07:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812011907.OAA28042@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:07:13 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: VFR800's.. Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:01:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) No kidding.. what's this, some kinda copy-cat list or something? Lets all go out and get VFR800s, put corbin seats on them.. :P Hrm, what other mods.. oh, the Staintune, red rim stripes.. *chuckle* You'd think there'd be some individuality around here.. sheesh... Brian (yes this is in jest!) -----Original Message----- Come on now Horkster, its a Honda of course its going to be accurate! Seriously is seems to be fairly pretty much right on the money as far as I can tell. You can ask the at least 3 other VFR 800 owners on the list and I'm sure you'll get the same response. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 14:24:24 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com ([208.218.73.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28370 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.57] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA00868; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 14:26:46 -0500 Message-ID: <021401be1d60$2bbfab40$2a73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Subject: Re: VFR800's.. Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:24:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Yer just jealous! ;P >No kidding.. what's this, some kinda copy-cat list or something? Lets all >go out and get VFR800s, put corbin seats on them.. :P Hrm, what other >mods.. oh, the Staintune, red rim stripes.. *chuckle* > >You'd think there'd be some individuality around here.. sheesh... > >Brian > >(yes this is in jest!) > >-----Original Message----- > > >Come on now Horkster, its a Honda of course its going to be accurate! >Seriously is seems to be fairly pretty much right on the money as far as I >can tell. You can ask the at least 3 other VFR 800 owners on the list and >I'm sure you'll get the same response. > >Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 14:47:37 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28794 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00106 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:48:46 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC51@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Battley's open house Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:48:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Got a flyer in the mail saying that Battley's Cycles has an open house this weekend... Looks like they're having a breakfast ride, pinball tournament, demo rides on Yamaha Venture and Road Star...10% off all the instock 98 models of BMW's Ducati's, Yamaha's and Triumphs... It also had coupons for discounts on service bills , free tire mounting with purchase of tire and free dyno run with purchase of dynojet jet kit. (anyone wants em can have em..I won't be using them) CT From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 14:55:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28932 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19374 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19621 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:55:38 -0500 (EST) From: LungHD@XXXXXX Received: from LungHD@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8UXOa27321; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:53:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3ce86217.3664491f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:53:03 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: mileage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 << Interesting. I think if (when?) I get a Harley, I'd have to go with the old-style analog gauges. I'd have to have a tach, too. I've heard too many bad things about the LCD gauges being cold-weather sensitive, and condensation on the insides during cool weather. Ick. >> Factoid: The new LCD Harley odometers do have a problem with the crystals spazzing out & killing the display. Looks like spider webs over the numbers. Seen it up close & personal, not pretty. Or readable. Factory replacing them with no questions asked so it's a bit more common than they'd like. No problem with the speedo in same unit (as far as I know, none with mine anyhow). Lung 98FLSTF (When I scrape the pegs.... it's because I forgot to put the kickstand down.) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:02:35 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29086 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:57:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Bruce Norton'" , DC Cycles , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Subject: RE: VFR800's.. Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:57:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) He is... And mine will be different. I'm hoping to paint mine blue next year. And my Corbin is different then Bruce's. Glenn > Yer just jealous! ;P > > > >No kidding.. what's this, some kinda copy-cat list or something? Lets > all > >go out and get VFR800s, put corbin seats on them.. :P Hrm, what other > >mods.. oh, the Staintune, red rim stripes.. *chuckle* > > > >You'd think there'd be some individuality around here.. sheesh... > > > >Brian > > > >(yes this is in jest!) > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >Come on now Horkster, its a Honda of course its going to be accurate! > >Seriously is seems to be fairly pretty much right on the money as far as > I > >can tell. You can ask the at least 3 other VFR 800 owners on the list > and > >I'm sure you'll get the same response. > > > >Glenn > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:09:53 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29213 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.57] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA01180; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:12:26 -0500 Message-ID: <02df01be1d66$8d1e5e80$2a73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "DC Cycles" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Subject: Re: VFR800's.. Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:09:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Yeah, what he said! Blue? I thought you were going to do black? What kind of blue? (TL blue = bad luck?) >He is... And mine will be different. I'm hoping to paint mine blue next >year. And my Corbin is different then Bruce's. > >Glenn > > >> Yer just jealous! ;P >> >> >> >No kidding.. what's this, some kinda copy-cat list or something? Lets >> all >> >go out and get VFR800s, put corbin seats on them.. :P Hrm, what other >> >mods.. oh, the Staintune, red rim stripes.. *chuckle* From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:13:51 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29341 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:13:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812012013.PAA29341@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:13:08 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'Bruce Norton'" , DC Cycles , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Subject: RE: VFR800's.. Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:08:19 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Yup.. I'm jealous of the ~ $7000 extra you guys paid, and the ~$300 /year extra in insurance.. and the extra weight.. :P I'm real jealous.. and obviously because I have an old bike, I can't hang with you guys up front.. right? *grin* At least you're not riding some in-line 4 piece of crrr....errr... bike.. :) Brian -----Original Message----- He is... And mine will be different. I'm hoping to paint mine blue next year. And my Corbin is different then Bruce's. Glenn > Yer just jealous! ;P > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:17:13 1998 Return-Path: juicingit@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f257.hotmail.com [207.82.251.148]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29483 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27494 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1998 20:16:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19981201201606.27493.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.196.31 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:16:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.196.31] From: "John Doe" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The LOWDOWN of fridays accident MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:16:04 PST Ok, I was the only one who saw the accident. My friend on the Maxim hit the gravel wich we all saw in the turn, and was from that point GONE. The rest of us( the fast group) were very fortunate that we didnt hit the gravel at the higher speeds that we were going. The worn tires that everyone is talking about, was only seen by about 4 people, yet most of the list apears to have seen it. It was well worn, but not BALD. Most of the people on this list claim to be cautious and reasonable riders, but i dont know if anyone would have been able to save it after you t drive over a bunch of gravel and sand in the middle of a turn.. A paramedic who arrived on the scene knew what happened before we even told him, the people who were there can vouch for that. I do have to say however that everybody that was actually THERE was extremely helpfull, and they only voiced concernes about the license problem AFTER they my friend out tremendously. They helped me drag my friends bike out of the dich, and make shure it was roadworthy. We even got an escort to a friends house who lived nearby: The group leader actually rode the MAXIM back. My friend new he made a mistake by going too fast, and by outriding his capabilities, and not telling the group about the learners permit. However those who were not there and were not in the least bit affected by what happened on friday were really quick to jump on the bandwagon and ridicule my friend even though they were painfully short on facts. If you observe the posts about the accident the participants of the "fast group" stated fact and observation, and carefully thought out opinions, while a good portion of the others posted quick judgements and faulty conclusions. A number of people wished my friend a speedy recovery. I want to thank those people. He is ok. He went to the hospital to get his arm checked. They removed pieces of gravel from his arm, and repacked his bandages. His thigh bruised up, so he couldnt walk by nightfall, but now his OK. He will be joining us on rides after he gets his full class M license. If there ane any further concerns and criticizms please save it for when you can tell him in person. Thank you for your time Tom K FZR600 PS: For some reason certain people are very concerned with my name. The reasons for that elude me, but they do not believe Thomas is my real name. Do they want to write me love letters? Sorry I don't putt from the ruff ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:24:45 1998 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29633 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:24:43 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA10210; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:26:24 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma009656; Tue, 1 Dec 98 15:25:13 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F3A00BX6ZCY3Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566CD.006FA2CC ; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:19:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:15:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Battley's open house To: "'dc'" Message-id: <852566CD.006F49B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Collin (or anyone); Perhaps you can tell us the location of Battley's. I'd be interested in going, but have no clue where it is. Got a phone number? TIA, Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:26:00 1998 Return-Path: juicingit@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f121.hotmail.com [207.82.250.214]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29646 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28322 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1998 20:25:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19981201202518.28320.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.196.31 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:25:17 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.196.31] From: "John Doe" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The LOWDOWN about friday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:25:17 PST Ok, I was the only one who saw the accident. My friend on the Maxim hit the gravel wich we all saw in the turn, and was from that point GONE. The rest of us( the fast group) were very fortunate that we didnt hit the gravel at the higher speeds that we were going. The worn tires that everyone is talking about, was only seen by about 4 people, yet most of the list apears to have seen it. It was well worn, but not BALD. Most of the people on this list claim to be cautious and reasonable riders, but i dont know if anyone would have been able to save it after you t drive over a bunch of gravel and sand in the middle of a turn.. A paramedic who arrived on the scene knew what happened before we even told him, the people who were there can vouch for that. I do have to say however that everybody that was actually THERE was extremely helpfull, and they only voiced concernes about the license problem AFTER they my friend out tremendously. They helped me drag my friends bike out of the dich, and make shure it was roadworthy. We even got an escort to a friends house who lived nearby: The group leader actually rode the MAXIM back. My friend new he made a mistake by going too fast, and by outriding his capabilities, and not telling the group about the learners permit. However those who were not there and were not in the least bit affected by what happened on friday were really quick to jump on the bandwagon and ridicule my friend even though they were painfully short on facts. If you observe the posts about the accident the participants of the "fast group" stated fact and observation, and carefully thought out opinions, while a good portion of the others posted quick judgements and faulty conclusions. A number of people wished my friend a speedy recovery. I want to thank those people. He is ok. He went to the hospital to get his arm checked. They removed pieces of gravel from his arm, and repacked his bandages. His thigh bruised up, so he couldnt walk by nightfall, but now his OK. He will be joining us on rides after he gets his full class M license. If there ane any further concerns and criticizms please save it for when you can tell him in person. Thank you for your time Tom K FZR600 PS: For some reason certain people are very concerned with my name. The reasons for that elude me, but they do not believe Thomas is my real name. Do they want to write me love letters? Sorry I don't puttt from the ruff ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:37:26 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29967 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07258 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:37:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:37:19 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Motorcycle Racing on TV (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ray had a brain fart and just sent this to me. His "worlds leading Expert on Barbecue" is almost enough to entice me over there in spite of the fact that I've already got Speedvision. Kirk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:24:28 -0800 (PST) From: Ray To: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Motorcycle Racing on TV As a public service to the less fortunate, anyone without Speedvision can come over to my hovel in Annapolis on Tuesdays. Bring beer and munchies (pizza, tacos, or barbecue). Or bring mixers if you like Captain Morgans Spiced Rum. Contact me off-list for directions and ph nr. Ray, the Worlds Leading Expert on Barbecue ---Kirk Roy wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > > I noticed in the December TV listings that ESPN2 will be showing an hour of > > motorcycle racing this weekend. I'm sorry I can't be more specific about > > the time, but I don't have the listings in front of me while I type this. > > There are at least 4 GP races and a formula extreme race on Speedvision > today as well. I think the races are the Spanish and Malaysian GPs. > Luckily enough, I haven't followed GP racing so even though they're april > and may races I'll still be on the edge of my seat... Check > www.speedvision.com for listings. We just had speedvision turned on > yesterday. > > For those without speedvision or with the speedvision/outdoor life combo > all I have to say is, nyah, nyah, nyah! > > Kirk > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:40:05 1998 Return-Path: juicingit@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f248.hotmail.com [207.82.251.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29988 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:40:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16021 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1998 20:39:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19981201203918.16018.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.196.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:39:17 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.196.42] From: "John Doe" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The LOWDOWN of fridays accident MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:39:17 PST oh, i kept wondering why when i get mail it say to "john doe" . But i hope nobody really believes john doe is my real name Tom K <-----------thats me >From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> >To: "John Doe" >Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:32:24 -0500 >Subject: Re: The LOWDOWN of fridays accident > >On 1 Dec 98, at 12:16, John Doe wrote: > >> PS: For some reason certain people are very concerned with my name. The >> reasons for that elude me, but they do not believe Thomas is my real name. >> Do they want to write me love letters? Sorry I don't putt from the ruff > >Tom, > >I think it is because you have your email program to show "John >Doe" as the "from" field, and then you sign your messages "Tom." >Looks funny is all. > >Anita > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 16:34:44 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01080 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA02770 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:31:25 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:31:25 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Battley's open house Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:34:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Perhaps you can tell us the location of Battley's. I'd be interested in >going, but have no clue where it is. Got a phone number? Chris - the fast-hard-to-get-lost way (for a non-Marylander (me)) is: I-270 to I-370 At the end of 370, go North on Shady Grove Road Cross over 115 (Shady Grove becomes Airpark Rd) Nice fast left and right sweepers Straight across 124 at light (Airpark Rd continues) Down the hill (about 1/4 mile) to Rockville Harley (Battley cycles) Can't miss it Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 16:39:00 1998 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01219 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-99-74.s74.tnt13.ann.erols.com (207-172-99-74.s74.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.74]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA03189 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:38:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812012138.QAA03189@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 16:49:32 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Bike trouble On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:18:47 -0800, Jordan, Michael wrote: >>I have heard once that if you put your helmet to the front or >>the rear of the bike ( I forget which) It serves as a distress >>signal to other riders. > >Haven't heard that - but a partially dismantled engine by the side of the >road or the biker frantically waving arms are good signs that something is >amiss ;-) I thought that if it was a Harley stopped by the side of the road, it was a sure sign that something was broken. [Sorry Stan, I had to say it.....] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 16:50:23 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01522 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08413 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:50:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:50:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Battley's open house In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Jordan, Michael wrote: > Nice fast left and right sweepers It was on these fast left and right sweepers that I made the final decision to replace the shock on my Hawk (40k miles on it at that point). The road is 2 lanes each way and there's a bit of unevenness to the pavement. I went to pass a van while going around the corner and almost pogoed right into him. Those that know me can vouch for the fact that I'm not the slowest rider out there but I had to back off and let the van beat me around the corner! I was embarrassed and had a replacement shock on there within the week... > Down the hill (about 1/4 mile) to Rockville Harley (Battley cycles) > Can't miss it I don't know. I missed it. It's on the left... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 16:54:43 1998 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01546 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-99-74.s74.tnt13.ann.erols.com (207-172-99-74.s74.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.74]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11687; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:54:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812012154.QAA11687@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "John Doe" Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:05:16 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <19981201201606.27493.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The LOWDOWN of fridays accident On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:16:04 PST, John Doe wrote: >I do have to say however that everybody that was actually THERE was >extremely helpfull, and they only voiced concernes about the license >problem AFTER they my friend out tremendously. They helped me drag my >friends bike out of the dich, and make shure it was roadworthy. We even >got an escort to a friends house who lived nearby: The group leader >actually rode the MAXIM back. By the time we reached the site, your friend had already gotten up, and I was glad to see he was in better shape than his bike. I am an EMT, but I felt "naked" without my first ait kit. Besides, we got there at the same time as the paramedic, and I am not even close to the same class that he is. >My friend new he made a mistake by going too fast, and by outriding his >capabilities, and not telling the group about the learners permit. >However those who were not there and were not in the least bit affected >by what happened on friday were really quick to jump on the bandwagon >and ridicule my friend even though they were painfully short on facts. On my first ride with the dc_cycles group, we never officially broke into groups, we just sort of became three groups. I ended up in the middle group, and it tested my riding ability. I now know better than to get into the fast group. My first ride I didn't, and would have probably made the same mistake (I also have that testosterone problem). The corner where he went down was definitely known to the paramedic as a location where people lay down bikes. He walked up and knew exactly what had happened. Hopefully your friend will show up again, and come join me in the slow group. :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 17:53:19 1998 Return-Path: Tony.Allen@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02623 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:53:04 -0500 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 01 Dec 1998 16:50:35 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 01 Dec 1998 16:50:35 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0417B366464AB009-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0417B366464AB009 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Tony.Allen@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0417B366464AB009*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=tasc/s=Allen/g=Tony/@MHS> Date: 01 Dec 1998 16:50:35 -0500 From: Tony Allen To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR800's.. Message-Id: <0417B366464AB009*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=tasc/s=Allen/g=Tony/@MHS> Don't forget the florescent paint scheme. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: VFR800's.. Author: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX at Internet Date: 12/1/98 2:31 PM No kidding.. what's this, some kinda copy-cat list or something? Lets all go out and get VFR800s, put corbin seats on them.. :P Hrm, what other mods.. oh, the Staintune, red rim stripes.. *chuckle* You'd think there'd be some individuality around here.. sheesh... Brian (yes this is in jest!) -----Original Message----- Come on now Horkster, its a Honda of course its going to be accurate! Seriously is seems to be fairly pretty much right on the money as far as I can tell. You can ask the at least 3 other VFR 800 owners on the list and I'm sure you'll get the same response. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 18:03:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02810 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22385 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29244 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ra1-07.dial.nova.org (ra1-07.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.167]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA09903 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:02:54 -0500 (EST) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MD Motorcycle license info Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 23:03:05 GMT Message-ID: <36667571.202863111@beta.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the MD MVA page (http://mva.state.md.us/) they've got a motorcycle info page:=20 http://mva.state.md.us/moto/page1.htm Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 18:12:18 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02992 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 18:01:25 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Battley's open house Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:04:55 -0500 Message-ID: <005e01be1d7f$025aa6a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <852566CD.006F49B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Battley's?? Reminds me of an upscale Coleman or ACP. Skip it. There are better HD dealers and better BMW dealers. Judging by those two facts, I'd have to assume there are better Bimota, Ducati, Triumph, and Yamaha dealers. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 18:12:20 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02994 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:59:07 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'Bruce Norton'" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: VFR800's.. Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:02:36 -0500 Message-ID: <005d01be1d7e$b0167860$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <199812012013.PAA29341@meretrix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > At least you're not riding some in-line 4 piece of > crrr....errr... bike.. :) The only problem with those inline fours are when those crazy people mount them across the frame. We all KNOW that inline engines are supposed to run longitudinally. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 18:12:21 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02996 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 18:03:49 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Marvin Heilesen" , Subject: RE: Bike trouble Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:07:19 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01be1d7f$58325be0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <199812012138.QAA03189@smtp1.erols.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I thought that if it was a Harley stopped by the side of > the road, it was a sure sign that something was broken. > [Sorry Stan, I had to say it.....] I've always assumed ANY bike stopped on the side of the road has a broken bit. I've only been wrong twice (once when a guy was waiting in the middle of nowhere for a buddy, and once when somebody pulled over to talk to a buddy of his.) And, just to reiterate: both times my Honda broke down, it was an HD rider who stopped for me. (And didn't need 'em either time. But, that does remind me that I need a new master fuse for the Wing...) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 18:33:35 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03381 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:33:33 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA01825; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:33:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812012333.SAA01825@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Battley's open house To: mike@XXXXXX (Jordan, Michael) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:33:26 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Jordan, Michael" at Dec 1, 98 01:34:34 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > >Perhaps you can tell us the location of Battley's. I'd be interested in > >going, but have no clue where it is. Got a phone number? > > Chris - the fast-hard-to-get-lost way (for a non-Marylander (me)) is: > > I-270 to I-370 > At the end of 370, go North on Shady Grove Road > Cross over 115 (Shady Grove becomes Airpark Rd) > Nice fast left and right sweepers > Straight across 124 at light (Airpark Rd continues) > Down the hill (about 1/4 mile) to Rockville Harley (Battley cycles) > Can't miss it > > Michael J. > I think there is some kind of open house or sale going on this weekend. Weather permitting, i am interested in meeting there, eating lunch together, and then riding back to VA ( just maybe we will take some side roads to warm up tires and practice decent lean angles..) Anyone interested in Saturday or Sunday meeting & riding ?? _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 18:44:22 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03556 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-62.s62.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.62]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29205; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:43:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36647E66.CA041725@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 18:40:22 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, "'dc'" Subject: Re: Battley's open house References: <005e01be1d7f$025aa6a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, i was thinking more in lines with the free donuts bagels and java (the drinking kind for you computer geeks) with the ride to follow, or the pinball tourney with neat litle prizes and free demo rides... Their Ducati prices aren't all that bad and neither are there Buell prices, but hey, I'm broke anyhow so it doesn't matter...98 900 SS Fuel injected models for $8999 ain't too bad though.... George Howell wrote: > > Battley's?? Reminds me of an upscale Coleman or ACP. Skip it. There are > better HD dealers and better BMW dealers. Judging by those two facts, I'd > have to assume there are better Bimota, Ducati, Triumph, and Yamaha dealers. _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 19:04:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03920 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA23326 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00959 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:03:44 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FDHEa27479; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:01:41 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:01:41 EST To: cfagan@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/1/98 1:24:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << Except for the not once, but twice that I followed the wrong fork midway through rte 606 while quickly pointing an arm so the rest of the group headed the right direction... >> Yeah, and since I was watching your brake light as well as what the person in front of me was doing it made that turn particularly interesting. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 19:32:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04410 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA23637 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (known pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01635 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:32:36 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr50-dialup2.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.66]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F3B00534ATCYN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:32:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 19:33:31 -0500 Subject: Re: mileage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00af01be1d8b$65aabae0$424f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal > Factoid: The new LCD Harley odometers do have a problem with the crystals >spazzing out & killing the display what a surprise......... Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 21:33:15 1998 Return-Path: peggrinder@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com ([208.218.73.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06411 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.154] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00386; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 21:34:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3664A605.7E45A5@anent.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 21:29:25 -0500 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'Bruce Norton'" , DC Cycles , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Subject: Re: VFR800's.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't do it, you know what happens to "Blue" Sport bikes don't you ?? Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > . And mine will be different. I'm hoping to paint mine blue next > year. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 22:17:55 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07141 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:17:54 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id VBTPa26670; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:06:05 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:06:05 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/1/98 9:57:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Brian> Actually, yes - I was watching our pace quite often on Sunday (I had a bad feeling all day for some reason) and my speedo was hovering at the 85mph mark.. I know for certain fact that indicated 90mph on my bike is 75mph actual (calibrated curtsey of some state police once.. >> Yes, but when following on unknown roads, I tend to be very cautious on turn entry and accelerate once I see what's on the other side. So I hit 100-110 on the speedo (95-105 actual) on the straights. This is in the interest of safety and I am not trying to be funny. Ciao, Fred. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 22:52:03 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07703 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc4-s8.wizard.net (tc4-s8.wizard.net [209.8.153.9]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02973 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:51:59 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC-Cycles Roster [moving right along!] Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 22:59:26 -0500 Message-ID: <366fb6e9.83677746@smtp.wizard.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great news... Kirk told me about a website that allows you to create online form, and download the data in either Excel or Access format. I've set up a form with just about all the questions I thought people might be interested in (within reason!). You can access it at: www.fill-form.com/dc-cycles This is a real live form that you can fill out, and your answers will be saved. I'll download the data and post it on my website in some form or another. For starters it'll probably be the spreadsheet format I set up. I don't think I'll be able to post all the data in one table, but I'll see how it works out. I could definitely see setting up a "searchable" database... so if you were looking to buy a Nighthawk 750, you could see which members used to own one. Pretty cool, eh? :-) As for the questions, just answer whichever ones you feel like! I know not everyone wants to post their home phone number on the web! But some folks have volunteered towing services, and might want to provide that info. The only "required" field is your name, and if you just want to put your first name and last initial, that's fine. =20 Any concerns, questions, comments, etc.. please feel free to email me. Otherwise, let the data gathering begin! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 22:53:12 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07706 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:53:11 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA02049; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:53:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812020353.WAA02049@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: VFR800's.. To: peggrinder@XXXXXX (Craig) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:53:05 -0500 (EST) Cc: Dysart@XXXXXX, bnorton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3664A605.7E45A5@anent.com> from "Craig" at Dec 1, 98 09:29:25 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Don't do it, you know what happens to "Blue" Sport bikes don't you ?? > > > > Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > > . And mine will be different. I'm hoping to paint mine blue next > > year. > > > Sure. Maybe he likes company.... :-) _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 23:06:10 1998 Return-Path: robmoody@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07988 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 23:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from wotan ([12.68.64.190]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981202040536.DRLC10631@wotan> for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 04:05:36 +0000 From: "Robert L Moody" To: "DC Cycles Submit" Subject: Saturday fun Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 23:06:23 -0500 Message-ID: <001601be1da9$20130af0$01010101@wotan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Morton's BMW (540-891-9844), just north of Fredericksberg, is having an open house and Women's Day this Saturday, 900am on. A demonstration of how to right a heavy, downed bike will be given at 1000am. BBQ, etc will be served. Route One south from Woodbridge, about 50 miles, then right on Courthouse in Spotsylvania, several miles, look on right for BMW flag. Rob Moody BMW K75S Virginia USA From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 00:20:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09174 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:20:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27379 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (known pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08755 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:20:18 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr9-dialup26.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.69.26]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33506) with SMTP id <0F3B00C4ZO4TM4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:19:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 00:21:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap To: DC Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <005401be1db3$9627e120$1a4537a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Shhh, don't tell.... Why do you think I had the trunk on the bike last >sunday!! > >Except for the not once, but twice that I followed the wrong fork midway >through rte 606 while quickly pointing an arm so the rest of the group >headed the right direction... Sheesh, I almost followed you the second time! That was pretty funny. Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 00:23:01 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09199 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 00:14:52 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Roster [moving right along!] Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:17:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01be1db3$1f61b0c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <366fb6e9.83677746@smtp.wizard.net> Is this site working? The DNS at my ISP had trouble finding the site. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > www.fill-form.com/dc-cycles From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 00:34:15 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09422 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA11421; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:30:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:27:24 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Roster [moving right along!] To: George Howell cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001a01be1db3$1f61b0c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > Is this site working? The DNS at my ISP had trouble finding the site. > > www.fill-form.com/dc-cycles I couldn't get it to come up either.Then I typed in just fill-form.com and it took me to a 'Forbidden' screen.I added /dc-cycles and hit enter and it took me right to the form.Weird. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 00:59:18 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09847 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA11542; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:55:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:49:06 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Battley's open house To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <005e01be1d7f$025aa6a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > Battley's?? Reminds me of an upscale Coleman or ACP. Skip it. There are > better HD dealers and better BMW dealers. Judging by those two facts, I'd > have to assume there are better Bimota, Ducati, Triumph, and Yamaha dealers. Yep.Their salesmen are hosers.I used to think highly of their service dept until they screwed me last Spring.Replaced a battery that didn't need to be replaced with an inferior stock unit(I had gone to a higher output with better/safer cables) and t/s'd my prob down to a faulty tach.Sold me a new tach and it turned out there was nothing wrong with the old one.I'll never take another bike to them. Wash HD is another bunch of hosers.Don't know about Lanham HD,but they're owned by Wash HD,which makes me nervous.When I put a cam in my bike I'll need to swap the bearing.Don't know if I'm willing to drop $100+ on a one-time-use tool to pull the bearing,or chance taking the bike to a dealer. I'm even considering taking it up to a shop in PA that I trust. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 01:00:36 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA09920 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA11553; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:57:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:55:43 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Bike trouble To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19981201163257.25714.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Ray wrote: > In some places it's common to put your helmet by the side of the road > between you and traffic to signal you need help. > ================================road > traffic> > o helmet > XXX bike Heh.Think I'm the only person here whose helmet will double as a traffic cone. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 01:03:45 1998 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09940 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:03:43 -0500 (EST) From: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-146-136.s136.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.136]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA19678 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:07:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3664B8DB.6833@erols.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 19:49:47 -0800 Reply-To: rdrdr@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mileage References: <199812010000.TAA07732@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita wrote: >Don't worry... I didn't take it personally! :-) I am amazed at my own >mileage, mostly because I only put 625 miles on my dual sport in 2 >years. That, and I don't generally drive my car more than 10K >miles in a year! :-) I'm not trying to rack up miles... instead just >enjoy my weekend rides... and wish I had the vacation time to go >on a long trip every month! :-) >Anita Hey - i put ALL my miles on my dual-sport. 26,000 miles in less than 3 years. I know...its not 8000 in 3 months - but its a dual-sport. Niv DR650 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 02:25:52 1998 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA11982 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 02:25:51 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3XSIa18464 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:06:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <60ed850b.3664d8ef@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:06:39 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VFR800's.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I don't know! What happens? Marcy In a message dated 12/1/98 9:41:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, peggrinder@XXXXXX writes: << Don't do it, you know what happens to "Blue" Sport bikes don't you ?? >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 02:33:44 1998 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA12167 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 02:33:42 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FJRHa08724; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:17:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:17:17 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Roster [moving right along!] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I didn't have any trouble other than about a 30-second wait for the form to pop up... _Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 05:08:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA15473 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:08:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA00363 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA12957 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-59-87.s309.tnt1.ann.erols.com (207-172-59-87.s309.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.59.87]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA05796; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:08:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812021008.FAA05796@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "Stan Jordan" , "LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles" Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 05:19:26 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Ride to the Children's Inn at NIH Sunday, December 13, 1998 Take a ride to share some joy, and celebrate the holidays with seriously ill children and their families at the Children's Inn at NIH. Bring a new and unwrapped "whatever" to add to the festivities. (No food or candy.) Meet at Layhill Cafe, Layhill and Bel Pre Roads. Leaving promptly at 1130 and riding to NIH for a visit with the children who are real motorcycle enthusiasts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I know that this is not everyone's usuall speed, but it is for a worthy cause. Bring your bike, bring yourself, and bring a toy!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 05:10:12 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA15479 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA13211; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:06:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:01:58 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: **You Missed Something About Sunday's Ride!!** To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000301be1d3f$3c62b6c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > I'm not superstitious or anything like that but you know what they say, > "what comes around goes around." Nobody can be in such a hurry that they > couldn't stop and at least make sure that the downtime is alright, safe and > waiting for assistance. Carry a cell phone folks and don't forget the > various offers to help right here. Back in Sept when I went home,I helped a guy whose bike had broke down. He had been sitting for over 2 hours before I pulled over.While I was helping, 3 bikes just rolled by.By the time he finally got a lift,he'd been there over 5 hours. I really hope that if anyone ever sees another biker at the side of the road that they at least stop to see if they're ok.Even if all you can do is go to a payphone and call for a tow,it's at least something. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 05:12:44 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA15563 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA00397 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA12997 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-59-87.s309.tnt1.ann.erols.com (207-172-59-87.s309.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.59.87]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA06083; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:12:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812021012.FAA06083@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "Stan Jordan" , "LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles" Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 05:23:14 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Open House at Rockville HD I just got my flier last night. There will be a ride Saturday in conjunction with the open house. 0730 for free coffee, bagels, and donuts. Leave at 0815 sharp to return at 1030. This will be a cruiser type ride. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 05:22:26 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA15775 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA13257; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:18:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:07:04 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: mileage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36640E38.4E2F203@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Interesting. I think if (when?) I get a Harley, I'd have to > go with the old-style analog gauges. I'd have to have a tach, too. > I've heard too many bad things about the LCD gauges being cold-weather > sensitive, and condensation on the insides during cool weather. Ick. I know the first ones had lots of probs,but I haven't heard much about the later models.Mine is parked under an overhang with a cover and so far it works fine.Yes,a tach is nice.Sucked not having one for the short time I had the Fat Boy. > Any other gripes? Yeah,no time to friggen ride. :-P > I'm very interested in your experiences with > the Dyna. Hoping you have better luck than with the (cough, spit) > Buells. What's routine maintenance like? So far,so good with the Dyna.Regular maintenance is similar to the Buell. Basically,you're just checking fluid levels and going around checking fastener tightness. One of the Buell's main probs was the vibes shook it to pieces.The Dyna's extra 200lbs really helps dampen out the vibes.The main thing is the Buell came with a hopped up motor and top end suspension/ brakes/tires(it was a sportbike).The Dyna needs a few things added before I'll be satisfied. > Gil, didn't you have a web page or something where you wrote up > your experiences with the Buells? I'd like to check it out. I posted a bunch on Moto Online under the S2,Muscle Bike,and Bikini Bike reviews.You can also search on dejanews for my Usenet postings.I did write up my own review I've been mailing out(I posted it once here).Anyone interested,drop me a line and I'll forward you a copy. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 06:29:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA16888 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA01114 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA13854 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:29:53 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3ICKa03115; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:21:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:21:55 EST To: snake69@XXXXXX, SJordan185@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Open House at Rockville HD Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/2/98 5:18:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, snake69@XXXXXX writes: << This will be a cruiser type ride. >> What does this mean? Is the type of bike invited or the pace of the ride? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 07:00:11 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17482 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:55:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Saturday Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:55:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) OK, I just saw the weather forecast for Saturday and its Sunny with a high of 70. Who's planning the rides this weekend? Glenn From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 07:03:46 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17492 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:03:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812021203.HAA17492@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 04:03:40 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Battley's open house Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 03:58:48 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Battley's?? Reminds me of an upscale Coleman or ACP. Skip it. > There are > better HD dealers and better BMW dealers. Judging by those > two facts, I'd > have to assume there are better Bimota, Ducati, Triumph, and > Yamaha dealers. That's a first. I've always been fairly impressed with the friendliness and knowledge that they sem to have up there. I wouldn't know abotu prices, I don't think I've made enough in my life to even come close to their 'cheapest' bike.. I do know that they have probably the best MC Mechanic in the area (Forest Kerns) - did some VERY impressive machine work on my RS125 last year, and for reasonable money as well.. I'm just curious how your opinion was formed... Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 07:07:51 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17597 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:07:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:03:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'Bruce Norton'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: VFR800's.. Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:03:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Ahh but we got a brand new bike for that $7000 that didn't have the engine seize in the first 24 miles, the frame crack the next 1000 miles, etc. $300 extra a year insurance? Do you not remember what I'm paying? I bet its cheaper then your bike. Full coverage for $380. Not bad, eh? And I won't be going the Craig blue. I want what I had on my first car which was the blue from the mid 80's IROC Camaro's or the blue that the Mitsu Starion used to have. I've had too much bad luck with red vehicles including and impact with the deer. I was going to go black but after seeing the pics that Bruce sent me I don't like it. Glenn > Yup.. I'm jealous of the ~ $7000 extra you guys paid, and the ~$300 /year > extra in insurance.. and the extra weight.. :P I'm real jealous.. and > obviously because I have an old bike, I can't hang with you guys up > front.. > right? *grin* > > At least you're not riding some in-line 4 piece of crrr....errr... bike.. > :) > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 07:35:47 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18123 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:35:45 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA02257; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:35:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812021235.HAA02257@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Saturday To: Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:35:40 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" at Dec 2, 98 06:55:49 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > OK, I just saw the weather forecast for Saturday and its Sunny with a high > of 70. Who's planning the rides this weekend? > > Glenn You will not belive. Me. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 07:49:09 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18344 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc2-s26.wizard.net (tc2-s26.wizard.net [206.161.15.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA00992 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:49:13 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Roster [moving right along!] Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 07:56:29 -0500 Message-ID: <36753878.116849613@smtp.wizard.net> References: <001a01be1db3$1f61b0c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> In-Reply-To: <001a01be1db3$1f61b0c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, it seems like the site can be a little flakey at times (from a few comments I saw), but for the most part it works okay. So far 17 people have input their info - not bad for 11:00 pm - 7:00 am! :-) I'll be posting the main contact info later today - some people wrote some really great long comments, but I don't know how I'll fit those in yet! I will though, don't worry! Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 08:14:26 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18760 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD2E13280224; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:14:22 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981202074834.00ffe580@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 07:56:31 -0500 To: "John Doe" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: The LOWDOWN of fridays accident In-Reply-To: <19981201201606.27493.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "John Doe" who is "Tom K" wrote: >Ok, I was the only one who saw the accident. My friend on the Maxim hit >the gravel wich we all saw in the turn There was no gravel in the turn. I walked there and checked it. > but >i dont know if anyone would have been able to save it after you t drive >over a bunch of gravel and sand in the middle of a turn. There was no gravel OR sand in the turn. >My friend new he made a mistake by going too fast, and by outriding his >capabilities, and not telling the group about the learners permit. Well, it was a cheap lesson for him. But not if he pretends it was gravel that "caused" the wreck. Most likely he merely failed to negotiate the curve. This is a common mistake with a new rider who either does not countersteer enough, or who gets scared and steers "backwards" rather than countersteering. (That is, if he got scared and pushed on the right handlebar to "steer" the bike tighter into the left turn, then what he was actually doing was countersteering to the right which would take him off the road). >PS: For some reason certain people are very concerned with my name. The >reasons for that elude me, but they do not believe Thomas is my real >name. Most folks like to know who they're talking to. Someone who doesn't want anyone to know who he is is generally given less creedence. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 08:34:07 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19085 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A1CD18BA00E4; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:34:05 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981202083915.00fa0f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:40:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: [Non-MC] Falls Church Realtor recommendation? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, all. I need to sell a house in Falls Church, Virginia -- anyone recommend a good realtor? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 09:45:46 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20255 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from wowbager (dynamic50.cais.com [207.226.56.50]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04782 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:45:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981202094345.006e0418@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:43:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Subject: Blue Book Value Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, I was wondering if anyone knows the formula NADA uses to determine depreciation of our cherished modes of transport. Do they have a standard means of assessing depreciation? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mike B. 98 ZX900R From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 09:55:55 1998 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20351 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacman (sales-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.12]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA07673; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:55:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981202094500.00aaa900@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:58:14 -0500 To: "Robert L Moody" , "DC Cycles Submit" From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Re: Saturday fun In-Reply-To: <001601be1da9$20130af0$01010101@wotan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd be willing to go down with you, mano. I've been to one of their open houses before, they're pretty cool. Anybody else? We can arrange a ride or something... --wes At 23:06 01-12-98 , Robert L Moody wrote: >Morton's BMW (540-891-9844), just north of Fredericksberg, is having an open >house and Women's Day this Saturday, 900am on. A demonstration of how to >right a heavy, downed bike will be given at 1000am. BBQ, etc will be served. >Route One south from Woodbridge, about 50 miles, then right on Courthouse in >Spotsylvania, several miles, look on right for BMW flag. > >Rob Moody BMW K75S Virginia USA http://shadow.newspeak.org/ wes@XXXXXX '96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" '78 CB750 "Extra Sled" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 09:57:53 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA20425 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A55D9010648; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:57:33 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981202100033.00fa7c20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:02:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, wowbager@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Blue Book Value In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981202094345.006e0418@mail.dc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:43 AM 12/2/98 , Mike wrote: > Hello all, >I was wondering if anyone knows the formula NADA uses to determine >depreciation of our cherished modes of transport. Do they have a standard >means of assessing depreciation? > Any help would be greatly appreciated. >Mike B. >98 ZX900R Not sure of their methods, but their values are at http://www.nadaguides.com/ValuesHome.html You should also check http://www.mcnews.com, but beware theirs is national average and could vary significantly in your area (Motorcycle Consumer News and the regional NADA disagreed by $1,000 on my bike). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 09:59:47 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20436 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:56:37 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Battley's open house Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:00:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be1e04$70079480$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <199812021203.HAA17492@meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I'm just curious how your opinion was formed... While shopping for my first BMW last year. Went there and to Morton's (didn't know about Bob's at the time). I went up there three or four times. Each time, the salesmen had no time to speak to me, acted like they were doing me a favor by talking to me. Never once mentioned a test ride. Complete opposite of Morton's (and, as I eventually found out, Bob's). ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 10:01:11 1998 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20510 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:56:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'cycles'" Subject: help, bike keeps stalling Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:56:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Good morning, all... >From the moment I starting riding in this morning, my bike wouldn't idle. The revs would gradually decline until the bike stalled every time the clutch was in for more than 5 seconds or so. I kept thinking that it'd go away once the bike warmed up, but it never did (and it's an hour ride). Relevant data: I rode on Monday, and nothing like this happened. I ride an '83 V65 Magna, and the idle hasn't been adjusted since summer. I rode in at 8am, and the temp was around 45 degrees. I just started using a lower octane (two tanks ago) at the advice of the SabMag list. When I turned off the choke this morning, I didn't notice a substantial change in engine noise (whereas there usually is). The battery had enough charge to restart the engine every time (about 6 to 8 times, I gues, all told). The engine temp guide never got above "barely warm" (one LED into the WARM temp region). I had a complete maintenace done by Mannasas Honda and Kawa three months ago when I bought the bike. The oil level is fine. So, any ideas? The one other biker in my office said that my idle was too low, and simply set it too 1100 rpm, or so. Anybody know how to do that on a Magna, since my manual's at home? (Glenn?) Should I cover part of the radiator on cold days? -Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 10:02:28 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20531 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:59:14 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Mike" , Subject: RE: Blue Book Value Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:02:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be1e04$ce26bbe0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981202094345.006e0418@mail.dc.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Very simple. Screw the consumer in a place that's still illegal in most states. Then perform a 'Monica' on the dealers. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Hello all, > I was wondering if anyone knows the formula NADA uses to determine > depreciation of our cherished modes of transport. Do they have a standard > means of assessing depreciation? > Any help would be greatly appreciated. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 10:04:00 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20548 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:00:52 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "wes 8-)#" , "Robert L Moody" , "DC Cycles Submit" Subject: RE: Saturday fun Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:04:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be1e05$087e0960$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981202094500.00aaa900@pop.rcn.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I'll be riding down with my father. We'll be on the red KRS and the orange F650. Stop and say hi. (We might ride with, but we'll be heading down from Chas. Co. MD, not Va.) Chris, are you going? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > I'd be willing to go down with you, mano. I've been to one of their open > houses before, they're pretty cool. Anybody else? We can arrange a ride > or something... From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 10:34:20 1998 Return-Path: JKBroga@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21215 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:34:00 -0500 (EST) From: JKBroga@XXXXXX Received: from JKBroga@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3VKJa04573 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:32:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59046a8.36655da0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:32:48 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Battley's open house/Service of Battley Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 I've had a mixed experience with the guys at Battley's. When my wife was looking to buy her Harley there a salesman there asked her if she'd ever thought about doing any exotic dancing, saying things to the tune of "man, with a little body like that, you'd do well . . ." She was understandably furious, as was I. I didn't go back until bout a year later to look at a Monster. I told the salesman bout what had happened last time we bought a bike there, and I would not have a problem dealing with thew in the future so long as I did not have to deal with aforementioned salesman. He was very cool and undertstanding about the whole thing, and I respected his response. So thats my 2 cents. Depends on who you deal with I guess. If anyone wants the name of the weasel that was making comments to my wife I'd be happy to share it, but even as cheesy as he was I don't think it'd be cool to broadcast his mistakes on the internet with his name attached to it. Jonathan VTR, 883 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 10:47:47 1998 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21528 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacman (sales-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.12]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05161 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:47:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981202103745.00b0ce40@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:50:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: you better laugh (hey, gil...) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Got this from one of my other M/C mailing lists (shadowriders)... This came from a hard core Harley rider at work. Pretty funny! Irene > Top Ten Rejected Harley-Davidson Slogans: > > 10. Tora! Tora! Tora! > 9. I'm not gonna pay a lot for this Road King! > 8. Our Asian parts are better than their Asian parts. > 7. Ok, there is a wet spot. But you don't have to sleep on it. > 6. If we don't deliver in 30 years, your order is free! > 5. Like a bad neighbor, Harley is there. > 4. With a name like Fat Boy, it's got to be good. > 3. We hire bikers, and pass the savings along to you. > 2. mmmmmm...is it souped yet? > 1. Wait to ride. Live to wait. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 10:53:43 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from nwkmail01.nwk.usace.army.mil (nwkmail01.nwk.usace.army.mil [155.77.4.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21633 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:53:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812021553.KAA21633@meretrix.com> Received: by nwkmail01.nwk.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:54:46 -0600 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Sean Jordan - e-mail.. Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:48:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sean, I have something that you might be interested in.. just need your e-mail addy.. Sorry bout the list posting.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 10:54:04 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from cusrva.cua.edu ([136.242.10.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21636 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.net (lab20.law.cua.edu) by cua.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #29119) with ESMTP id <01J4UYKY0H3O934TPC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:52:46 EST Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:54:50 -0500 From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Friday Ride Recap To: SCOTT Rush Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <366562CA.E2468422@smart.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Who else would I be referring to? Someone else who showed up for a ride WITHOUT A LICENSE and had a mishap? I don't think so. No offense meant, but I don't think you can say much about this without looking a little foolish. SCOTT Rush wrote: > > I'm pretty sure this isn't referring to me but, I just thought I'd ask. > > Scooter > > >>> Tom Gimer 11/30/98 10:10AM >>> > Can you say "Scooter"? At least this guy was CLOSE to legal. Glad to > hear nobody was hurt. > > -- > Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 10:58:06 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21721 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03253 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:58:58 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC58@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: Speedvision??? Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:58:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Bonus!! I may actually sign up for real television now instead of that sickly little home made antenna sticking out of the back of my TV... Orbit communications has the Dish, Receiver, and installation kit for $69!!!! Requires you to commit to 6 months of service, but hey, at $20 a month it's cheaper than any of the local cable companies...and with Speedvision, $25/month... not bad..not bad at all... > -----Original Message----- > From: Q&A [SMTP:Q&A@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 10:51 AM > To: 'dccracing@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Speedvision??? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DC-Cycles Racing [SMTP:dccracing@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 8:22 AM > To: feedback@XXXXXX > Subject: Speedvision??? > > Thank you for the email. We are happy to announce the addition of > our new Action Package! DISH Network has now activated the Action Package > for $4.99 per month and is available to all DISH Network customers who > subscribe to the America's Top 40 or America's Top 100 packages. The > package > includes Speed Vision, Outdoor life, & the Outdoor Channel. This package > can be added 24 hours a day by calling us at 1-800-333-DISH (3474). If > you > have any other questions or concerns, please contact us again. > Thank You, > Pete C. > DISH Network > > > > Rumor has it that Dish Network is planning/already has added > Speedvision to the line up?? If so, is it on the top 40 or top 100 > schedule? > I've been very interested in your system, but without speedvision, > it's no good to me :) > Thanks > Collin > > -- > Collin Fagan > CCS#210 - WERA#305 > DC-Cycles racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > > http://www.dc-cycles.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 11:05:52 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21930 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:01:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Mark Petty'" , "'cycles'" Subject: RE: help, bike keeps stalling Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:01:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Why did the SabMag people recommend running lower octane fuel? I don't know about the V65 but my V30's manual say to run only 92 or better octane rating. The adjustment screw for the idle is a black thumbscrew poking from the carbs. Very easy to see. I think turning it clockwise ups the idle. Glenn > Relevant data: > I rode on Monday, and nothing like this happened. I ride an '83 V65 > Magna, and the idle hasn't been adjusted since summer. I rode in at 8am, > and the temp was around 45 degrees. I just started using a lower octane > (two tanks ago) at the advice of the SabMag list. When I turned off the > choke this morning, I didn't notice a substantial change in engine noise > (whereas there usually is). The battery had enough charge to restart the > engine every time (about 6 to 8 times, I gues, all told). The engine > temp guide never got above "barely warm" (one LED into the WARM temp > region). I had a complete maintenace done by Mannasas Honda and Kawa > three months ago when I bought the bike. The oil level is fine. > > So, any ideas? The one other biker in my office said that my idle was > too low, and simply set it too 1100 rpm, or so. Anybody know how to do > that on a Magna, since my manual's at home? (Glenn?) Should I cover part > of the radiator on cold days? > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 11:11:33 1998 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21963 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:07:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'cycles'" Subject: RE: help, bike keeps stalling Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:07:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > Why did the SabMag people recommend running lower octane fuel? I don't know > about the V65 but my V30's manual say to run only 92 or better octane > rating. The adjustment screw for the idle is a black thumbscrew poking from > the carbs. Very easy to see. I think turning it clockwise ups the idle. > > Glenn They said (they being the listers, including at least one petrolium engineer) that the lower the octance the better the burn rate and the higher the hp. At least that's what I understood from it, with my somewhat addled brain. Make sure that you use a high enough octane to avoid knocking, and yer set. I never did get a manual with my bike. What year is yours? Should I go back to using high test? -Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 11:12:40 1998 Return-Path: robmoody@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22033 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from wotan ([12.68.65.70]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981202161158.GQBF1787@wotan>; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:11:58 +0000 From: "Robert L Moody" To: "DC Cycles Submit" , "wes 8-)#" Subject: Ride to Morton's Open House and Women's Day Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:12:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be1e0e$98f6a930$01010101@wotan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981202094500.00aaa900@pop.rcn.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Ride to Morton's Open House and Women's Day Schedule of Events for group ride from DC area: Saturday, 12/5/98 700am, Meet breakfast buffet ($5.59) at Shoney's Restaurant (7050 Old Keene Mill Rd, Springfield VA, 703/569-6116, 95 south to exit 169 B Old Keene Mill Rd, no turns, 2 minutes, Shoney's on right) 830am Depart. South on 95, +50 miles, exit 126, left or north on Route One, left or west on Courthouse, 3.5 miles, Morton's on right). Alternative way is south on Route One, +50 miles, right on Courthouse, 3.5 miles, Morton's on right. 945am Arrive at Morton's BMW 1000am Demonstration of how to right a downed, heavy motorcycle 1130am Eat BBQ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 11:30:06 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22399 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05759; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:15:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:31:17 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC5E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Mark Petty'" , "'cycles'" Subject: RE: help, bike keeps stalling Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:31:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain this is true to an extent, and the manual will generally call for a higher octane than is truly needed. With the lower octane, your motor will probably fill a tad bit rougher as well... The change in idle may just be due to the cold, but I'd be a bit suspicious since it didn't cool off that much..... shouldn't change the idle "that" much at any rate...check to make sure your air filter isn't partially plugged and check to make sure the choke isn't sticking... > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Petty [SMTP:mark.petty@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 11:24 AM > To: 'cycles' > Subject: RE: help, bike keeps stalling > > > They said (they being the listers, including at least one petrolium > engineer) that the lower the octance the better the burn rate and the > higher the hp. At least that's what I understood from it, with my > somewhat addled brain. Make sure that you use a high enough octane to > avoid knocking, and yer set. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 11:53:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22897 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04899 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22034 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from HeilesenM.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil ([131.158.70.177]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA02449; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:53:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812021653.LAA02449@pop02.globecomm.net> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: , Subject: Re: Open House at Rockville HD Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:43:42 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BE1DE9.030CAB60" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BE1DE9.030CAB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The pace of the ride. Bernie is leading, and he is on a cruiser. So, you would have to assume that it is not a speed ride.... ---------- > In a message dated 12/2/98 5:18:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, snake69@XXXXXX > writes: > > << This will be a cruiser type ride. >> > What does this mean? Is the type of bike invited or the pace of the ride? > > Ciao, > > Fred ------=_NextPart_000_01BE1DE9.030CAB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The pace of the ride.  Bernie is = leading, and he is on a cruiser.  So, you would have to assume that = it is not a speed ride....

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> In a message dated 12/2/98 5:18:03 = AM Eastern Standard Time, snake69@XXXXXX
> writes:
>
> << This will = be a cruiser type ride. >>
> What does this mean?  Is the type of bike = invited or the pace of the ride?
>
> Ciao,
>
> = Fred


------=_NextPart_000_01BE1DE9.030CAB60-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 11:53:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22898 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04902 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22041 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from HeilesenM.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil ([131.158.70.177]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA02486; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:53:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812021653.LAA02486@pop02.globecomm.net> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: , Subject: Re: Open House at Rockville HD Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:51:48 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BE1DEA.249EEB20" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BE1DEA.249EEB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The pace of the ride. Bernie is leading, and he is on a cruiser. So, you would have to assume that it is not a speed ride.... ---------- > In a message dated 12/2/98 5:18:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, snake69@XXXXXX > writes: > > << This will be a cruiser type ride. >> > What does this mean? Is the type of bike invited or the pace of the ride? > > Ciao, > > Fred ------=_NextPart_000_01BE1DEA.249EEB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The pace of the ride.  Bernie is = leading, and he is on a cruiser.  So, you would have to assume that = it is not a speed ride....

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> In a message dated 12/2/98 5:18:03 = AM Eastern Standard Time, snake69@XXXXXX
> writes:
>
> << This will = be a cruiser type ride. >>
> What does this mean?  Is the type of bike = invited or the pace of the ride?
>
> Ciao,
>
> = Fred



------=_NextPart_000_01BE1DEA.249EEB20-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 11:53:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22893 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04883 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmripo.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil (nmripo.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil [131.158.70.91]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22022 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by nmripo.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:52:18 -0500 Message-ID: <8AEC8FA8EA32D211923E00A0247B668C3418E5@nmripo.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil> From: "Heilesen, M" To: DC_Cycles Subject: Response to Fred (Boiade) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:52:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain The internet on this LAN is all screwed up so let me try and send this through this account. And sorry, I cannot change the format The pace of the ride. Bernie is leading, and he is on a cruiser. So, you would have to assume that it is not a speed ride.... ---------- > In a message dated 12/2/98 5:18:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, snake69@XXXXXX > writes: > > << This will be a cruiser type ride. >> > What does this mean? Is the type of bike invited or the pace of the ride? > > Ciao, > > Fred __________________ SSG Marvin Heilesen NCOIC, LAMSD Go Army - Beat Navy Be All That You Can Be From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 11:59:28 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23116 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A1D81D3F00E4; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 11:59:04 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981202115305.02c865f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 11:55:48 -0500 To: "George Howell" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Saturday fun In-Reply-To: <000201be1e05$087e0960$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <4.1.19981202094500.00aaa900@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:04 AM 12/2/98 , George Howell wrote: >I'll be riding down with my father. We'll be on the red KRS and the orange >F650. Stop and say hi. (We might ride with, but we'll be heading down from >Chas. Co. MD, not Va.) > >Chris, are you going? Moi? Like to, got too much else going on to plan one way or another (contractor about to start on my garage foundation, and I have to file eviction papers on a tenant). On the other hand, getting away might be just the thing! I'd also like my girls to see the "women who ride" presentation. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 11:59:38 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23120 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:59:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A1D91D3F00E4; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 11:59:05 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981202115616.00fa1160@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 11:57:08 -0500 To: JKBroga@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Battley's open house/Service of Battley In-Reply-To: <59046a8.36655da0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:32 AM 12/2/98 , JKBroga@XXXXXX wrote: >I've had a mixed experience with the guys at Battley's. When my wife was >looking to buy her Harley there a salesman there asked her if she'd ever >thought about doing any exotic dancing, saying things to the tune of "man, >with a little body like that, you'd do well . . ." ...If anyone wants the >name of the weasel that was making comments to my wife I'd be happy to share >it, but even as cheesy as he was I don't think it'd be cool to broadcast his >mistakes on the internet with his name attached to it. >Jonathan I hope you told the manager or owner of Battleys. No one should have to put up with that shit. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 12:07:38 1998 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23365 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for meretrix.com!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!rcrishock (dcn.att.com!rcrishock); Wed Dec 2 11:06 CST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA22419 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:06:23 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE1DEC.2BB93D00@XXXXXX>; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:06:19 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 12/01/98 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:06:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is a cool idea, and it looks very nice, and I really admire you and all the others that give time and effort for the good of the list, but... I really don't want my email address listed on the web. Especially since I subscribe from work. I don't mind list members emailing me, but I don't want my (work) address added to all the spam lists. I don't like spam. Rich '78 Triumph T140E Scowling Street Terrors #78 (and not usually a whiner) >From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:03:18 -0500 >Subject: DC-Cycles Member List? > >Okay, I apparently have too much time on my hands... I was >playing around in Excel today and noticed how easy it is to "Save >as HTML" and have something looks amazingly like a web page. >Then I remembered how we tried to have a member list in a text >file, and it didn't work out so well. Well, I took a stab at creating >one in Excel, and uploaded it to my web space. You can view the >results at: > >http://www.wizard.net/~2xracers/dc-cycles.htm > >Any thoughts? Yeah, I know I don't have the XT350 any more, but I >wanted to see how the text would wrap. This is about as basic as >you can get, but I think it'd serve as a good starting point. More >importantly, I'm volunteering to update it as necessary! > >Any other info you'd like to see included (within reason!)? I tried >putting a web page address in, but it doesn't automatically make it >a link. A future improvement, I'm sure! :-) > >Looking forward to your comments! (really!) >Anita > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 12:09:12 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23404 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA06488; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:08:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981202170305.QHYY13094@toddnt>; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:03:05 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Battley's open house/Service of Battley Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:04:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be1e15$caac0450$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <59046a8.36655da0@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 You must be one cool cookie Jonathan. I think if I were in your shoes, the guy would still be in the hospital. Obnoxious sales people are just one suffrage, but adding crudeness and rudeness to the mix should get the twit fired. And in this case a broken nose or worse. Todd > > I've had a mixed experience with the guys at Battley's. When my wife was > looking to buy her Harley there a salesman there asked her if she'd ever > thought about doing any exotic dancing, saying things to the tune of "man, > with a little body like that, you'd do well . . ." She was understandably > furious, as was I. I didn't go back until bout a year later to look at a > Monster. I told the salesman bout what had happened last time we bought a > bike there, and I would not have a problem dealing with thew in > the future so > long as I did not have to deal with aforementioned salesman. He > was very cool > and undertstanding about the whole thing, and I respected his response. So > thats my 2 cents. Depends on who you deal with I guess. If > anyone wants the > name of the weasel that was making comments to my wife I'd be > happy to share > it, but even as cheesy as he was I don't think it'd be cool to > broadcast his > mistakes on the internet with his name attached to it. > > Jonathan > VTR, 883 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 12:31:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23943 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05567 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23773 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from HeilesenM.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil ([131.158.70.177]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA20507; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:31:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812021731.MAA20507@pop01.globecomm.net> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "DC Cycles" , Subject: Re: Ride to the Children's Inn at NIH Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:30:26 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, so it was early when I posted this morning and wasn't quite awake yet. I was doing good to copy my flyer without too many mistakes. Here are my directions to Layhill: >From the beltway (I495), take the Georgia Ave exit north. I never pay attention to distances, so never quote me on how far this are, but head north on Georgia Ave to just past Randolph Road. There is a shopping center on the right. Georgia Ave veers left, while Layhill road veers to the right. If you get to the new Metro Station, you just past it. Go out Layhill Rd until you go through the stoplight with a shopping center on your left. Pull into the shopping center. If you get to where the road becomes a two-lane, you went too far. The Layhill Cafe is at what I think is the north end of the center. Look for the bikes (motorcycles). There are lots of other ways to get there, but this is the easiest. I'll be there helping out with the ride. ---------- > I'm interested in going, even got the toy already. (Actually I got > two for the toy drive this Saturday at Cycle Sports, but can use one > for each, or get some more, depends on how much time I have). But I > have no idea where Layhill or Bel Pre Road is located. Which town? > (I assume it's starting in MD?) > > Thanks for any help in getting to the starting location! > > Louis > > > Sunday, December 13, 1998 > > > > Take a ride to share some joy, and celebrate the holidays > > with seriously ill children and their families at the > > Children's Inn at NIH. > > > > Bring a new and unwrapped "whatever" to add to the > > festivities. (No food or candy.) > > > > > > Meet at Layhill Cafe, Layhill and Bel Pre Roads. Leaving > > promptly at 1130 and riding to NIH for a visit with the > > children who are real motorcycle enthusiasts. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > I know that this is not everyone's usuall speed, but it is > > for a worthy cause. Bring your bike, bring yourself, and > > bring a toy!! > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Snake > > aka Marvin Heilesen > > Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 12:45:58 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24228 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29932; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:45:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199812021745.MAA29932@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Crishock, Richard" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:44:58 -0500 Subject: RE: Member Listing and SPAM Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 2 Dec 98, at 12:06, Crishock, Richard wrote: > It is a cool idea, and it looks very nice, and I really admire you and all > the others that give time and effort for the good of the list, but... I > really don't want my email address listed on the web. Especially since I > subscribe from work. I don't mind list members emailing me, but I don't > want my (work) address added to all the spam lists. I don't like spam. Richard, The only info that I'm posting is what people fill out at www.fill- form.com/dc-cycles. If you don't want any info posted, don't fill anything out! :-) This is about as voluntary as you can get. Didn't I say that? :-) As for spam, that's why I use a "Bigfoot" address... you can sign up for it at www.bigfoot.com. All it does is forward email to the "real" address of your choice. I use my "adl64@XXXXXX" address any time I post on Usenet, or fill out some form online. Bigfoot has pretty good spam filters, and only rarely does a message slip through. Before I learned this "trick" I was getting up to 10 pieces of spam a day, directly to my "real" address (because I posted a few times on Usenet). It was nuts. I went as far as to request a change in email address from my ISP, and now get absolutely no spam at the 2xracers address. Another alternative for those folks who just have email at work is something like "Hotmail." You sign up for an email address with them, and you then go to their website to pick up your mail. Just throwing out some ideas in case some folks are in the same boat. Anita (hates spam as much as the next person) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 13:10:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24653 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06161 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA25373 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Wed Dec 2 12:09 CST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id MAA06819 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:09:09 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE1DF4.F10A4380@XXXXXX>; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:09:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Used Seat Advice Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:09:05 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, I would like some opinions on what the following VFR800 seat is worth. (I'm thinking of having Sergeant redo my seat but I don't want to part with it for too long & keeping the original wouldn't be such a bad idea) I'm thinking somewhere in the $80 - $100 range maybe less because of the rip?? TIA. --John VFR800 > >Hi John, > Saw your posting on the mailing list regarding a '98 seat. Well, this >summer I went to Utah and after hiking around Capitol Reef, I threw a leg >over the bike and an eyelet from my hiking boot tore a small (3/4 inch) rip >in the seat. Fixed it with a "hot" vinyl repair kit, would still like to >replace it though. If Santa doesn't come through, I'm goin' replace it >myself. Interested? Dealer want's $200 plus for a new one, what do you >think it's worth? It doesn't leak! >Seeya > Alan Rowell > >============================================================================ >Alan Rowell | Current ride: '98 Honda VFR800FI >macaddict/motorcyclist/musician | Recent: KLX650, NT650, GS1100E >alanrwl@XXXXXX | http://home.earthllink.net/~alanrwl >============================================================================ > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 13:17:22 1998 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24824 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by kens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA22706; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:17:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:17:13 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> cc: "Crishock, Richard" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Member Listing and SPAM In-Reply-To: <199812021745.MAA29932@radagast.wizard.net> Message-ID: Approved: By me bitch. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII man procmail On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > On 2 Dec 98, at 12:06, Crishock, Richard wrote: > > > It is a cool idea, and it looks very nice, and I really admire you and all > > the others that give time and effort for the good of the list, but... I > > really don't want my email address listed on the web. Especially since I > > subscribe from work. I don't mind list members emailing me, but I don't > > want my (work) address added to all the spam lists. I don't like spam. > > Richard, > > The only info that I'm posting is what people fill out at www.fill- > form.com/dc-cycles. If you don't want any info posted, don't fill > anything out! :-) This is about as voluntary as you can get. Didn't I > say that? :-) > > As for spam, that's why I use a "Bigfoot" address... you can sign > up for it at www.bigfoot.com. All it does is forward email to the > "real" address of your choice. I use my "adl64@XXXXXX" > address any time I post on Usenet, or fill out some form online. > Bigfoot has pretty good spam filters, and only rarely does a > message slip through. Before I learned this "trick" I was getting up > to 10 pieces of spam a day, directly to my "real" address (because > I posted a few times on Usenet). It was nuts. I went as far as to > request a change in email address from my ISP, and now get > absolutely no spam at the 2xracers address. > > Another alternative for those folks who just have email at work is > something like "Hotmail." You sign up for an email address with > them, and you then go to their website to pick up your mail. > > Just throwing out some ideas in case some folks are in the same > boat. > > Anita > (hates spam as much as the next person) > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 13:19:20 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24835 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id NAA20342; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:19:15 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id NAA06653; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:19:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:19:14 -0500 (EST) From: TURNIP To: Mark Petty cc: "'cycles'" Subject: Re: help, bike keeps stalling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Did the bike backfire at all when you restarted it after it stalled? You state that you didn't notice a substantial change in the engine noise when you turned off the choke. Did the rpms change? Hugh A. Caldwell On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Mark Petty wrote: > Good morning, all... > > >From the moment I starting riding in this morning, my bike wouldn't > idle. The revs would gradually decline until the bike stalled every time > the clutch was in for more than 5 seconds or so. I kept thinking that > it'd go away once the bike warmed up, but it never did (and it's an hour > ride). > > Relevant data: > I rode on Monday, and nothing like this happened. I ride an '83 V65 > Magna, and the idle hasn't been adjusted since summer. I rode in at 8am, > and the temp was around 45 degrees. I just started using a lower octane > (two tanks ago) at the advice of the SabMag list. When I turned off the > choke this morning, I didn't notice a substantial change in engine noise > (whereas there usually is). The battery had enough charge to restart the > engine every time (about 6 to 8 times, I gues, all told). The engine > temp guide never got above "barely warm" (one LED into the WARM temp > region). I had a complete maintenace done by Mannasas Honda and Kawa > three months ago when I bought the bike. The oil level is fine. > > So, any ideas? The one other biker in my office said that my idle was > too low, and simply set it too 1100 rpm, or so. Anybody know how to do > that on a Magna, since my manual's at home? (Glenn?) Should I cover part > of the radiator on cold days? > > -Mark > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 13:24:32 1998 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24926 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:20:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'cycles'" Subject: RE: help, bike keeps stalling Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:20:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > From: TURNIP [SMTP:Turnip@XXXXXX] > > Did the bike backfire at all when you restarted it > after it stalled? > nope, no backfire. > You state that you didn't notice a substantial change > in the engine noise when you turned off the choke. Did the rpms > change? > It didn't seem to, not much at all. > > Hugh A. Caldwell From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 13:31:21 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25158 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:31:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01643 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:31:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199812021831.NAA01643@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:30:34 -0500 Subject: Member Data Online! Woo-Hoo! :-) Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Okay, we've had 38/39 responses so far, and I've posted the data to: http://www.wizard.net/~2xracers/dc-cycles.htm Obviously, this format needs some work! :-) It's basically an Excel spreadsheet converted to HTML, which is all I know how to do right now! The email addresses and home pages don't come across as clickable links. Just think of this as a first draft! :-) It was also kind of tricky because some people were, uh, verbose, ahem! :-) If you want to add your info, go to: http://www.fill-form.com/dc-cycles Thanks! Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 13:34:18 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25194 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:29:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Mark Petty'" , "'cycles'" Subject: RE: help, bike keeps stalling Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:30:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I'd go back to using high test. Mine's an 84. I go with the Collin school of thought on this. Check the choke and your air flow and don't move that idle screw very much. Glenn > They said (they being the listers, including at least one petrolium > engineer) that the lower the octance the better the burn rate and the > higher the hp. At least that's what I understood from it, with my > somewhat addled brain. Make sure that you use a high enough octane to > avoid knocking, and yer set. > > I never did get a manual with my bike. What year is yours? Should I go > back to using high test? > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 13:40:08 1998 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25300 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:35:34 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , Mark Petty , "'cycles'" Subject: RE: help, bike keeps stalling Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:35:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > > I'd go back to using high test. Mine's an 84. I go with the Collin > school > of thought on this. Check the choke and your air flow and don't move > that > idle screw very much. > > Glenn > Okay, I went out and played with the choke cable, and found out that it's a lot more sluggish than I expected it to be. I manually pushed in the widget that the end of the choke cable should be pushing in, and the engine sounded much happier. It seems that the choke lever's losing about half of it's action by the time it gets to the engine. And for the heck of it I kicked up the idle to about 1k. I'll see how it runs for the rest of the week, but for now I'm quietly optimistic. thanks, all. Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 13:40:35 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25303 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA02480 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:40:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199812021840.NAA02480@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:39:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Member Data Online! Woo-Hoo! :-) Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) I noticed that some of the longer comments got truncated. I'll work on fixing that! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 13:47:31 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25482 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id KAA29907 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:43:48 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:43:48 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Member Data Online! Woo-Hoo! :-) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:47:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anita, I LOVE technology! when it works... Congrats on taming the beast. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 13:52:53 1998 Return-Path: rosenc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25581 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-111-132.s132.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.132]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06594 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:56:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36658C77.DDF7CDE6@erols.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 13:52:42 -0500 From: "Charles L. Rosen" Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Member Listing and SPAM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I don't like spam. > > > I presume this means junk email?? > >ss any time I post on Usenet, or fill out some form online. > > Bigfoot has pretty good spam filters, and only rarely does a > > message slip through. Usenet??? Could someone educate me -- Charles L. Rosen, M.D., Ph.D. Department of Neurological Surgery George Washington University Medical Center 2150 Pennsylvania Ave Washington, DC 20037 Fax#: (202) 994-9944 Email: crosen@XXXXXX rosenc@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 13:54:32 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25601 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:49:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Mark Petty'" , "'cycles'" Subject: RE: help, bike keeps stalling Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:50:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Oh and the idle for my Magna is supposed to be 1300 +/- 100 RPM. Glenn > Okay, I went out and played with the choke cable, and found out that > it's a lot more sluggish than I expected it to be. I manually pushed in > the widget that the end of the choke cable should be pushing in, and the > engine sounded much happier. It seems that the choke lever's losing > about half of it's action by the time it gets to the engine. > > And for the heck of it I kicked up the idle to about 1k. I'll see how it > runs for the rest of the week, but for now I'm quietly optimistic. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 13:58:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25694 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06992 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27287 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:53:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Used Seat Advice Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:53:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) John, search around on the Internet. Brain McCoy knew I was looking for a seat for mine and he found me a leather Corbin which looked like it had never been used for $150. Judging from what I have seen the seat was at least $300 new. Probably more like $340. Glenn > I would like some opinions on what the following VFR800 seat is worth. > (I'm thinking of having Sergeant redo my seat but I don't want to part > with it for too long & keeping the original wouldn't be such a bad idea) > I'm thinking somewhere in the $80 - $100 range maybe less because of the > rip?? TIA. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 14:02:38 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25834 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:03:38 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:03:27 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup@XXXXXX Subject: Bounced Mail Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline If you got a bounce back from me, sorry. Our router has been down all = morning due to a flood in the server room over the weekend. Just came = back up and the messages are flying. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 14:04:39 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25853 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:06:54 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:06:45 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:03:13 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, SJordan185@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Subject: RE: **You Missed Something About Sunday's Ride!!** -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Someone wrote: I'm not superstitious or anything like that but you know what they say, "what comes around goes around." I believe this. I usually try to stop when I see a situation where I could help. Especially things like old folks trying to change a flat. It's not just good karma, I think it's good sense. Just maybe they'll be a little more aware of bikes on the road because of "that nice young man who changed our tire that time." They often look a little scared when you first motor up to them, though. And believe it or not, most of the riders who've stopped to help when it's me and my bike on the side of the road are the crusty old shovelhead-riding bikers. It might be an age thing. Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 14:06:28 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25951 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA05304; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:06:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199812021906.OAA05304@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Charles L. Rosen" Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:05:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Member Listing and SPAM CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <36658C77.DDF7CDE6@erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 2 Dec 98, at 13:52, Charles L. Rosen wrote: > I presume this means junk email?? Yeah, the "get rich quick" or "see the naked ladies" kind of junk email! :-) > Usenet??? Could someone educate me Usenet is Internet newsgroups... like rec.motorcycles or dc.general. There are maybe 20-30,000 newsgroups available, depending on what your ISP carries. Everything from recipes to binary files (pictures). A lot of good information, but a lot of noise as well. I like to use Dejanews as a source of information... you can search back several years, across all newsgroups. The URL is http://www.dejanews.com. Hope that helps! Anita PS - If you think dc-cycles has flame wars, check out rec.motorcycles for some real heat!!! :-) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 14:07:51 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25981 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17438; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:08:53 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC61@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Charles L. Rosen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Member Listing and SPAM Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:08:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain OMG...we have a non- computer geek among us!!! :) Usenet=Newsgroups.... as in rec.motorcycles, alt.binaries.er errr..guees I shouldn't finish that second one :) he he he cause I'm a good kid and wouldn't know anything about "those" kind of groups :) Most of them are a severe waste of time, although you can find some neat things for sale in the dc.forsale.misc group... Also, some newsgroups specialized to a particular field have a decent signal to noise ratio, but most of the big ones are just crap... You can get plenty of that from the folks you know on DC-Cycles!! :) Spam= Unsolicited Junk Email > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles L. Rosen [SMTP:rosenc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 2:05 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Member Listing and SPAM > > > I presume this means junk email?? > > Usenet??? Could someone educate me > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 14:14:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26134 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07244 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28169 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from HeilesenM.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil ([131.158.70.177]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA08843 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:13:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812021913.OAA08843@pop02.globecomm.net> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "DC_Cycles" Subject: Re: Response to Fred (Boiade) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:12:28 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The internet on this LAN is all screwed up so let me try and send this > through this account. And sorry, I cannot change the format I hope everyone realized that I meant the format of the post, not the ride..... Again, by fingers type faster than my brain thinks..... From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 14:19:27 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26260 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:19:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812021919.OAA26260@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:19:05 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: wait a minute!! Ducati dirtbikes??? Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:11:42 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) What's that all about Sr. Jordon? I never knew Ducati made dual-purpose bikes... I think you need to find a picture to prove it.. :P Brian (oh, and I'm not reffering to the 916 converted to flattracker - though that's a cool bike too) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 14:38:37 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26761 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA02465 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:35:11 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:35:11 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: wait a minute!! Ducati dirtbikes??? Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:38:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >What's that all about Sr. Jordon? I never knew Ducati made dual-purpose >bikes... I think you need to find a picture to prove it.. :P Not much action out of Europe on that line of bikes (remember - I spent about 5 years in Italy with the USAF), but they had a line of 250, 350 & 450 Street Scramblers for a number of years in the late '60s thru the mid '70s. I had a little 125cc 4-stroke that was cheap (not merely inexpensive). Thrashed the hell out of it putting around in the Alps (it was light enough to lift over things it couldn't ride over). >(oh, and I'm not reffering to the 916 converted to flattracker - though >that's a cool bike too) Haven't seen that one - kinda boggles the mind... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 14:47:43 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26968 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:49:53 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:49:49 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:46:16 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: bnorton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFR800's.. -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline George sez: "The only problem with those inline fours are when those crazy people mount them across the frame. We all KNOW that inline engines are supposed to run longitudinally." Just what I need--an even l o n g e r wheelbase! =:-) Joe Dat ol' Ninja From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 15:06:55 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27351 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:09:03 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:08:59 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:05:27 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: RE: wait a minute!! Ducati dirtbikes??? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Check out the photos at www.eurospares.com; I'm pretty sure he's got shots of dirty one-lunger Ducatis. Joe '72 Harley-Davidson SX 350 (wait a minute!! A dual-purpose Harley???) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 15:14:04 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27466 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:14:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981202201651.1548.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send204.yahoomail.com; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 12:16:51 PST Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:16:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: wait a minute!! Ducati dirtbikes??? To: "Jordan, Michael" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, Duck dirtbikes! You never heard of them? E900 is the latest (called Elefant in the rest of the world). Ray ---"Jordan, Michael" wrote: > > >What's that all about Sr. Jordon? I never knew Ducati made dual-purpose > >bikes... I think you need to find a picture to prove it.. :P > > Not much action out of Europe on that line of bikes (remember - I spent > about 5 years in Italy with the USAF), but they had a line of 250, 350 & 450 > Street Scramblers for a number of years in the late '60s thru the mid '70s. > I had a little 125cc 4-stroke that was cheap (not merely inexpensive). > Thrashed the hell out of it putting around in the Alps (it was light enough > to lift over things it couldn't ride over). > > >(oh, and I'm not reffering to the 916 converted to flattracker - though > >that's a cool bike too) > > Haven't seen that one - kinda boggles the mind... > > Michael J. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 15:14:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27469 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08221 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00966 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:14:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.152] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA04282; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:17:14 -0500 Message-ID: <028d01be1e30$61f719c0$8c73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Carver, John" , Subject: Re: Used Seat Advice Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:14:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I wouldn't pay anymore than it would cost to have the cover replaced. Should be no more than $80. I agree, I too like to keep all the original parts for my bikes. Bruce >Hey all, > >I would like some opinions on what the following VFR800 seat is worth. >(I'm thinking of having Sergeant redo my seat but I don't want to part >with it for too long & keeping the original wouldn't be such a bad idea) >I'm thinking somewhere in the $80 - $100 range maybe less because of the >rip?? TIA. > >--John >VFR800 > > >> >>Hi John, >> Saw your posting on the mailing list regarding a '98 seat. Well, this >>summer I went to Utah and after hiking around Capitol Reef, I threw a leg >>over the bike and an eyelet from my hiking boot tore a small (3/4 inch) rip >>in the seat. Fixed it with a "hot" vinyl repair kit, would still like to >>replace it though. If Santa doesn't come through, I'm goin' replace it >>myself. Interested? Dealer want's $200 plus for a new one, what do you >>think it's worth? It doesn't leak! >>Seeya >> Alan Rowell >> >>============================================================================ >>Alan Rowell | Current ride: '98 Honda VFR800FI >>macaddict/motorcyclist/musician | Recent: KLX650, NT650, GS1100E >>alanrwl@XXXXXX | http://home.earthllink.net/~alanrwl >>============================================================================ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 15:15:59 1998 Return-Path: juicingit@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f16.hotmail.com [207.82.250.27]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27550 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29137 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 1998 20:15:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19981202201522.29136.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.201.186 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 12:15:21 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.201.186] From: "Tom K." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 12:15:21 PST To: Chris Norloff > >"John Doe" who is "Tom K" wrote: >>Ok, I was the only one who saw the accident. My friend on the Maxim hit >>the gravel wich we all saw in the turn > >There was no gravel in the turn. I walked there and checked it. > > >> but >>i dont know if anyone would have been able to save it after you t drive >>over a bunch of gravel and sand in the middle of a turn. > >There was no gravel OR sand in the turn. How can you possibly claim that? And your worried about people giving me "credence" as you put it. If you are really concerned though, go out and check again. Just look at the right turn this time. And another thing...you need to hope you never wreck, because if people would hackle you like you did my friend, you'd have a helluva time. Its kinda easy to hackle him thru the net and thru me aint it? Try it in person next time we all ride together. Let us know which bike you ride, so everybody can watch Captain Motorcycle in action next time. Tom K FZR600 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 15:22:58 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27680 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DVG6Y5YJ; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:22:25 EST To: JKBroga@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Battley's open house/Service of Battley Message-ID: <19981129.154344.4991.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19981202115616.00fa1160@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,8-10,18-20 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:22:25 EST On Wed, 02 Dec 1998, JKBroga@XXXXXX wrote: >>I've had a mixed experience with the guys at Battley's. When my wife was looking to >>buy her Harley there a salesman there asked her if she'd ever thought about doing >>any exotic dancing, saying things to the tune of "man, with a little body like that, >>you'd do well . . ." ...If anyone wants the name of the weasel that was making >>comments to my wife I'd be happy to share it, but even as cheesy as he was I don't >>think it'd be cool to broadcast his mistakes on the internet with his name attached >>to it. >>Jonathan I wouldn't pummel the guy in a forum where he couldn't defend himself, either. My wife used to do commercials and modeling, so people (both sexes) have a tendency to look and/or stare. She has experienced similar come-ons, sometimes even with me nearby. Usually, we just consider them compliments (unless they're saying something really gross, in which case I give them what-fer...). One guy passed us in the mall, turned to look at her over his shoulder and slammed his head into a concrete pole. He fell down. Plop! Looked like a moron. I felt reasonably vindicated. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 15:38:41 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28000 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:40:03 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:39:29 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday Ride Recap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Excuse ME! I had a Pennsylvania Motorcycle Permit on that ride. I just = hadn't gotten my license yet. And, I too hit a patch of gravel going = around a turn. The main difference is, I wasn't riding to keep up with = everyone else, as Anita and Tom Mersch can attest to. I actually thought = I was holding them up and told them to pass me if they wanted. I'm glad = they didn't though. I don't think there's anything wrong with riding on a = permit, just know your limits as a beginner. BTW, Pennsylvania's only = requirement about riding on a permit is, No Riding After Sunset. Scooter >>> Tom Gimer 12/02/98 10:54AM >>> Who else would I be referring to? Someone else who showed up for a ride WITHOUT A LICENSE and had a mishap? I don't think so. No offense meant, but I don't think you can say much about this without looking a little foolish. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 15:48:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28216 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08786 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA02151 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:48:38 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566CE.0071B2D3 ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:41:53 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566CE.00711F34.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:41:51 -0500 Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline A LITTLE HAIKU FOR THE REGULAR LONG TIME LISTERS First there was "Squeakers" And then there was T L "Jack" And now there is "Tom" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 15:49:23 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28219 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:51:31 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:51:25 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:47:50 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: JKBroga@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Battley's open house/Service of Battley -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Whatta as*hole! Guys that pull crap like that right in front of you deserve a sound thrashing, John Wayne style. Too bad they're not even worth the assault rap. I guess the best thing to do would be along the lines of: "Well, congratulations, jerkoff. You'll never see her sweet butt, my ugly face, or any of our money in here again. Your boss will know this, too." >>> - 12/2/98 10:32 AM >>> I've had a mixed experience with the guys at Battley's. When my wife was looking to buy her Harley there a salesman there asked her if she'd ever thought about doing any exotic dancing, saying things to the tune of "man, with a little body like that, you'd do well . . ." She was understandably furious, as was I. I didn't go back until bout a year later to look at a Monster. I told the salesman bout what had happened last time we bought a bike there, and I would not have a problem dealing with thew in the future so long as I did not have to deal with aforementioned salesman. He was very cool and undertstanding about the whole thing, and I respected his response. So thats my 2 cents. Depends on who you deal with I guess. If anyone wants the name of the weasel that was making comments to my wife I'd be happy to share it, but even as cheesy as he was I don't think it'd be cool to broadcast his mistakes on the internet with his name attached to it. Jonathan VTR, 883 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 15:54:55 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28338 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id MAA03452 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:51:20 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:51:20 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: wait a minute!! Ducati dirtbikes??? -Reply Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:54:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Try this http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/downs/6268/scrambl1.jpg Not the best photo, but a nice example Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 15:58:25 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28443 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:00:11 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:00:09 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:56:55 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.petty@XXXXXX Subject: RE: help, bike keeps stalling -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline "At least that's what I understood from it, with my somewhat addled brain." -Mark I think it's the petro engineer's brain that's addled. I know that there's a lot of people running premium in cars that don't need it, but it sure doesn't hurt anything. I also know that my bike runs much better (smoother, better carburetion) on 92 than 87. I've had bikes that don't care, but this one does. Go back to premium and see what happens. It'll cost what, an extra 75 cents a tank? Joe '85 900 Ninja From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 16:00:16 1998 Return-Path: JKBroga@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28548 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:00:15 -0500 (EST) From: JKBroga@XXXXXX Received: from JKBroga@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id RZCOa18765 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:59:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3f3bffb.3665aa37@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:59:35 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: John Wayne I am not!! (Clint maybe . . .) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 I guess I should've bee more clear. He didn't make those comments, and others, in front of me. She was by herself, actually ordering the bike. I went with her to pick it up, as she was fresh out of the beginners MSF course, and we had no incidents from the salesguy. I had planned on tearing into him verbally once the bike was safely in our hands, but by that time it had been two months, I had the bike, and I really didn't even want to waste the energy. Anyway, I'll always sort of dislike tha shop because they employ a guy like that, but on the other hand he's just one guy, and the other people I've met ther have been ok. PS - I gotta finally put 2 cents in on the gravel issue - if the fast group just rolled through the corner without incident, even a bobble, where on the line was this gravel? Gravel sucks no doubt, but I'd have to figure someone else would have hit it as well if he (the rider who went down) was in the correct part of the road. Live and learn. I crashed twice in one week. Same side thank God. Jonathan From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 16:28:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29122 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09362 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA03743 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:30:31 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:30:21 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 17:26:58 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline ONE MORE: Rein in your ego It is expensive to crash Please quit falling down --Cho Nai Gee >>> - 12/2/98 3:41 PM >>> A LITTLE HAIKU FOR THE REGULAR LONG TIME LISTERS First there was "Squeakers" And then there was T L "Jack" And now there is "Tom" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 17:17:40 1998 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29937 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-46-188.s188.tnt9.ann.erols.com (207-172-46-188.s188.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.188]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00259 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:20:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812022220.RAA00259@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 17:27:16 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: **You Missed Something About Sunday's Ride!!** -Reply On Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:03:13 -0500, JOE NAGY wrote: >I believe this. I usually try to stop when I see a situation where I >could help. Especially things like old folks trying to change a flat. >It's not just good karma, I think it's good sense. Just maybe they'll >be a little more aware of bikes on the road because of "that nice young >man who changed our tire that time." They often look a little scared >when you first motor up to them, though. I was always raise to believe that if anyone was to help you, it would be a biker (I am the only one in my family who rides). And obviously, others feel the same way. Up in Boston this summer, I was approached by a young woman asking for help pushing her car. If you've seen me, I do look a little scary sometimes, especially in the summer with my tattoos showing (my tattoos are as old as the kids getting tattoos these days). Yet, she asked me verses all the other people in the area. I digress. All I wanted to say is that not everyone out there looks down upon bikers. This is because there are a lot of good people out there on bikes working hard to upgrade our image. Now, all we need to do is join those who are trying to raise our image. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 17:23:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00137 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10190 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05231 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:23:13 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0DAOa05301 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:20:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:20:46 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 In a message dated 12/2/98 3:58:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steve_Beck@acs- desktop.com writes: << First there was "Squeakers" And then there was T L "Jack" And now there is "Tom" >> Yeah, but at least we dont sit around making up dumbass haikus...someone has too much free time on their hands.... Jack (lurkin in the woods) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 17:32:06 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00379 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:32:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from voyager.cris.com (voyager [206.173.119.82]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id RAA12719; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:32:02 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by voyager.cris.com (8.8.5) id RAA18931; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:32:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:32:01 -0500 (EST) From: TURNIP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: broken down was RE: **You Missed Something... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Last spring when I was stranded by the side of route 66 with my seat,tank, and side panels off my bike trying to diagnose the problem with my bike I had a motorcyclist ride by and wave to me ! Obviously my helmet was not placed in the proper location to indicate that I might be suffering mechanical difficulty. A gentleman in a car did stop to offer assistance however. Hugh A. Caldwell VFR800 ZR750 (no longer stranded) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 17:34:45 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00397 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:34:44 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id KQGPa17094; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:23:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:23:59 EST To: 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Roster [moving right along!] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/2/98 7:54:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, 2xracers@XXXXXX writes: << Well, it seems like the site can be a little flakey at times ( >> What roster? Maybe I am a little to quick to delete when I see something about sites and computers. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 17:36:10 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00467 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10494 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05527 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:35:55 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PETCa20886; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:33:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:33:41 EST To: HeilesenM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Response to Fred (Boiade) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/2/98 12:03:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, HeilesenM@XXXXXX writes: << The pace of the ride. Bernie is leading, and he is on a cruiser. So, you would have to assume that it is not a speed ride.... >> I did get the messsage through your LAN by the way. Thanks for the info. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 17:44:45 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00596 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:44:44 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WQFNa25365; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:39:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:39:26 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: wait a minute!! Ducati dirtbikes??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/2/98 2:27:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << I never knew Ducati made dual-purpose bikes... I think you need to find a picture to prove it.. :P >> Well the Cagiva Elephant was actually manufactured by Ducati. Cagiva owned them then. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 18:12:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01214 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11281 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06508 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DVHGL9Y5; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 18:10:42 EST To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Message-ID: <19981129.185336.5167.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <852566CE.00711F34.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-24 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 18:10:42 EST On Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:41:51 -0500 Steve_Beck@XXXXXX writes: >A LITTLE HAIKU FOR THE REGULAR LONG TIME LISTERS > >First there was "Squeakers" > >And then there was T L "Jack" > >And now there is "Tom" Here are a few more: Accidents happen We overanalyze them To learn, so relax "Squeakers" and "Wanta" Both fought the list and lost face Chill, or look whiney Defending is nice But complaining is silly We are all as one JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 18:18:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01324 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11424 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:18:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06764 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-46-188.s188.tnt9.ann.erols.com (207-172-46-188.s188.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.188]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA28174 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:22:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812022322.SAA28174@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles" Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 18:29:02 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Office email Well, they finally got my office email working again. I know I had to post once from my military account (yes, I am SSG Marvin Heilesen, but even the people at work call me 'Snake'). Sorry for the HTML crap I posted today, but I was desperately trying to answer a questions. It was so frustrating to post from home (at 0500 in the morning I don't exactly always make sense), and then see I was unclear and then not be able to post to clarify myself. This reminds me of a good dirty joke about blondes and computers. Ask me in email if you want it. :) [talk about a teaser...] But, I'm back..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 19:56:33 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03041 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.17]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 297; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 23:17:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3664C018.CF0BE363@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 23:20:40 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Roster [moving right along!] References: <366fb6e9.83677746@smtp.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Done! Pretty neat, I might add. Anita Lauro wrote: > > Great news... Kirk told me about a website that allows you to create > online form, and download the data in either Excel or Access format. > I've set up a form with just about all the questions I thought people > might be interested in (within reason!). You can access it at: > > www.fill-form.com/dc-cycles Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 20:08:11 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA03275 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:08:09 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id UAA24595; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:09:18 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa23333; Wed, 2 Dec 98 20:06:45 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F3D00D2V71U5X@XXXXXX>; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566CF.0005A960 ; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 20:01:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 17:35:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Friday Ride Recap To: SCOTT Rush Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566CF.0005159E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Permits and group rides? VERY bad idea. Just my .02, --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX cc: From: SCOTT Rush Date: 12/02/98 08:39:29 PM GMT Subject: Re: Friday Ride Recap Excuse ME! I had a Pennsylvania Motorcycle Permit on that ride. I just hadn't gotten my license yet. And, I too hit a patch of gravel going around a turn. The main difference is, I wasn't riding to keep up with everyone else, as Anita and Tom Mersch can attest to. I actually thought I was holding them up and told them to pass me if they wanted. I'm glad they didn't though. I don't think there's anything wrong with riding on a permit, just know your limits as a beginner. BTW, Pennsylvania's only requirement about riding on a permit is, No Riding After Sunset. Scooter >>> Tom Gimer 12/02/98 10:54AM >>> Who else would I be referring to? Someone else who showed up for a ride WITHOUT A LICENSE and had a mishap? I don't think so. No offense meant, but I don't think you can say much about this without looking a little foolish. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 20:19:54 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03476 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 353; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:53:21 -0500 Message-ID: <366562C2.9A0A8B8A@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:54:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Petty CC: "'cycles'" Subject: Re: help, bike keeps stalling References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Petty wrote: > > When I turned off the > choke this morning, I didn't notice a substantial change in engine > noise (whereas there usually is). This might be your problem. If you didn't notice any change in engine speed when you shut the choke off, it may be stuck on somehow, i.e. the lever/knob/whatever may have moved, but the cable it was attached to didn't. I'd check this out first. It probably woulnd't hurt to bump up your idle speed either, 1000-1100 rpm's sounds about right. Sorry, don't know how on the Magna's. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 20:35:37 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03830 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 332; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:17:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3665846D.3DEFC350@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 13:18:21 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Petty CC: "'cycles'" Subject: Re: help, bike keeps stalling References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Petty wrote: > Make sure that you use a high enough octane to > avoid knocking, and yer set. That's all I ever look for in a gasoline. So far, my bike has run fine on the cheap stuff. > Should I go back to using high test? Running any higher octane than you need is a waste of money IMO. I don't think the problems you described are a gas-quality thing. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 20:37:32 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA03835 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:37:30 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id UAA06717; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:38:57 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma005634; Wed, 2 Dec 98 20:36:56 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F3D00GVO8F5G3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566CF.000853EA ; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 20:30:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 17:42:48 -0500 Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) To: "Tom K." Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566CF.000569B0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I was going to sit on the sidelines for this one ... BUT, Tom, I think it would behoove you to spend a *little* more time getting to know a list before attacking one of it's long time and more popular members. I have personnally riden many miles with Chris Norloff, and believe his post to be true, even though I wasn't there. Add to that the fact that he is a certified MSF instructor with MANY years and hundreds of thousands of miles under his belt, and he is damn close to actually being the "Captain Motorcycle" you refer to in jest. You would benefit from watching him in action ... I guarantee it. That post made you look like an ignorant moron. --chris Oh and BTW, no it is not illegal to ride on a permit, but it is also not illegal to be stupid or irresponsible, either. I hope you are 18 ... atleast then you have an excuse. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: "Tom K." Date: 12/02/98 08:15:21 PM GMT Subject: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) To: Chris Norloff > >"John Doe" who is "Tom K" wrote: >>Ok, I was the only one who saw the accident. My friend on the Maxim hit >>the gravel wich we all saw in the turn > >There was no gravel in the turn. I walked there and checked it. > > >> but >>i dont know if anyone would have been able to save it after you t drive >>over a bunch of gravel and sand in the middle of a turn. > >There was no gravel OR sand in the turn. How can you possibly claim that? And your worried about people giving me "credence" as you put it. If you are really concerned though, go out and check again. Just look at the right turn this time. And another thing...you need to hope you never wreck, because if people would hackle you like you did my friend, you'd have a helluva time. Its kinda easy to hackle him thru the net and thru me aint it? Try it in person next time we all ride together. Let us know which bike you ride, so everybody can watch Captain Motorcycle in action next time. Tom K FZR600 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 21:01:34 1998 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04340 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt (207-172-182-72.s72.tnt19.brd.erols.com [207.172.182.72]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22822; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:05:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812030205.VAA22822@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "John Doe" , , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: The LOWDOWN of fridays accident Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:03:43 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree there was no gravel in the actual roadway. The only gravel was that which had accumulated to the right of the intersection. It did not pose a threat to anyone who stayed within the lane of travel. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Chris Norloff > To: John Doe ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: The LOWDOWN of fridays accident > Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 7:56 AM > > "John Doe" who is "Tom K" wrote: > >Ok, I was the only one who saw the accident. My friend on the Maxim hit > >the gravel wich we all saw in the turn > > There was no gravel in the turn. I walked there and checked it. > > > > but > >i dont know if anyone would have been able to save it after you t drive > >over a bunch of gravel and sand in the middle of a turn. > > There was no gravel OR sand in the turn. > > > >My friend new he made a mistake by going too fast, and by outriding his > >capabilities, and not telling the group about the learners permit. > > Well, it was a cheap lesson for him. But not if he pretends it was gravel > that "caused" the wreck. > > Most likely he merely failed to negotiate the curve. This is a common > mistake with a new rider who either does not countersteer enough, or who > gets scared and steers "backwards" rather than countersteering. (That is, > if he got scared and pushed on the right handlebar to "steer" the bike > tighter into the left turn, then what he was actually doing was > countersteering to the right which would take him off the road). > > > >PS: For some reason certain people are very concerned with my name. The > >reasons for that elude me, but they do not believe Thomas is my real > >name. > > Most folks like to know who they're talking to. Someone who doesn't want > anyone to know who he is is generally given less creedence. > > Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 21:03:02 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04343 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 287; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:07:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3665AC74.ACE8A782@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:09:08 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SCOTT Rush CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday Ride Recap References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SCOTT Rush wrote: > BTW, Pennsylvania's only requirement about riding on a permit is, > No Riding After Sunset. Seriously. I've got a knucklehead brother-in-law who still lives in PA. He gets a new learner's permit every spring, and rides his bike for half a year or so, until it gets "cold" again. When it expires, he just goes and gets another one. He even rode his Suzuki down here once. Never bothered to take the test. Never had to, as far as he's concerned. I can't even talk him into taking a MSF class in PA (In PA, they are even FREE! You just gotta find one and schedule yourself in.) Like I said, he's a knucklehead. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 21:06:53 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04437 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 291; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:47:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3665B5BB.D7FADC46@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:48:43 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.petty@XXXXXX Subject: Re: help, bike keeps stalling -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JOE NAGY wrote: > I think it's the petro engineer's brain that's addled. I know that > there's a lot of people running premium in cars that don't need it, > but it sure doesn't hurt anything. Sure it does, it certainly hurts my wallet. And you are right, there are lots of folks running high octane premium stuff who don't need it, but who *think* they do, due to some slick advertising (Amoco Ultimate, drive your engine clean, yada, yada) > I also know that my bike runs much better (smoother, better > carburetion) on 92 than 87. I've had bikes that don't care, but > this one does. Ok then. If you can feel a difference, then go for it. I bet for a large majority of folks, high octane gas makes no difference. > Go back to premium and see what happens. It'll cost what, an extra 75 > cents a tank? Believe it or not, that adds up after a while. Especially if you like riding a lot. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 21:07:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04440 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13325 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA11173 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 289 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:55:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3665B7B1.918D7F78@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:57:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: biker haiku References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or, in the spirit of my heroes Beavis and Butthead: Umm, Cars Suck! Heh, heh. Yeah! They really suck, Heh, heh. But all bikes are cool. - Horkster JOE NAGY wrote: > > ONE MORE: > > Rein in your ego > > It is expensive to crash > > Please quit falling down > >>> - 12/2/98 3:41 PM >>> > A LITTLE HAIKU FOR THE REGULAR LONG TIME LISTERS > > First there was "Squeakers" > > And then there was T L "Jack" > > And now there is "Tom" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 23:07:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06518 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14966 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mh2.cts.com (mh2.cts.com [209.68.192.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA13773 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.binarylabs.com (binary.cts.com [209.68.192.12]) by mh2.cts.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA15611 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:07:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:07:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812030407.UAA15611@mh2.cts.com> To: From: Mike Troutman Subject: Mike Troutman invites you to join PeoplePost Hello All. Testing out a new frewware software package that might be useful for the group. Its called PeoplePost and it is a lot like a virtual fridge door. You can post notes, pics, etc. I posted the software on the ftp site (ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/peoplepost.exe) This message should tell you how to join if you are interested. Mike Troutman invites you to join the PeoplePost group DC Cycles. PeoplePost is a free online service that allows you to share pictures and messages with groups of people as easily as posting notes on your refrigerator door. Don't delay! Join NOW! You are going to love it! To get started, just perform the following steps: 1. Click on the address below to download and install the PeoplePost software. http://www.PeoplePost.com/pgs/pget.htm 2. Double-click on the PeoplePost icon and follow the EASY directions to register and enter the group information below. 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Click here: http://www.peoplepost.com/pgs/psup.htm The PeoplePost Team http://www.PeoplePost.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 23:30:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06980 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15181 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA14262 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:30:29 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr10-dialup27.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.69.91]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33510) with SMTP id <0F3D00JV4GHPPK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:29:54 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 23:31:18 -0500 Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <005301be1e75$c813cba0$5b4537a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Yeah, but at least we dont sit around making up dumbass haikus...someone has >too much free time on their hands.... > >Jack >(lurkin in the woods) Figures, you can never do what you say. I didn't think you'd unsubscribe, just like I didn't think you could ride w/o wrecking......... Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 23:51:03 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07339 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 23:47:54 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Charles L. Rosen" , Subject: RE: Member Listing and SPAM Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:51:27 -0500 Message-ID: <004001be1e78$96270140$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <36658C77.DDF7CDE6@erols.com> > Usenet??? Could someone educate me > -- > Charles L. Rosen, M.D., Ph.D. > Department of Neurological Surgery Geez, don't they teach you guys nuthin? Usenet is kinda like a mailing list. Except that there are about a billion zillion of 'em. And the signal to noise ratio is horrible (20 bits of garbage for each useful post). Dozens of ways to read it, depending on how you connect to the net, and on what kinda 'puter. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 23:53:33 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07358 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:53:32 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr10-dialup27.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.69.91]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33506) with SMTP id <0F3D006TPHJGEV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:52:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 23:53:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Battley's open house To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Message-id: <006801be1e78$f4030520$5b4537a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >That's a first. I've always been fairly impressed with the friendliness and >knowledge that they sem to have up there. I wouldn't know abotu prices, I >don't think I've made enough in my life to even come close to their >'cheapest' bike.. I do know that they have probably the best MC Mechanic in >the area (Forest Kerns) - did some VERY impressive machine work on my RS125 >last year, and for reasonable money as well.. > >I'm just curious how your opinion was formed... > >Brian There's a name I haven't heard anyone talk about in a long time. I thought Forest had his own shop in G'burg? He bored my CR 125 out 50 over and fitted a Wiseco. He did it for a good price and gave me some great advice. Forest will do my machining if I ever get that GSX-R rear rim. I was told that he did some work for Army of Darkness also. Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 23:55:32 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07389 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 23:42:22 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Robert L Moody" , "DC Cycles Submit" Subject: RE: Ride to Morton's Open House and Women's Day Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:45:55 -0500 Message-ID: <003e01be1e77$d0518ee0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000301be1e0e$98f6a930$01010101@wotan> > 1000am Demonstration of how to right a downed, heavy motorcycle Sorry, but not even BMW makes a bike big enough to be impressive enough or hard enough to lift to make this interesting. Watching 100 lb "co-riders" right a downed whale, err... GL1500... Now that's something. > 1130am Eat BBQ Donuts in the middle of Rockville at Battley's, or a pleasant ride in the countryside topped by Barbecue at Morton's... Any questions? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 23:56:09 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07392 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 23:53:00 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "JOE NAGY" , , , , Subject: RE: VFR800's.. -Reply Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:56:33 -0500 Message-ID: <004101be1e79$4c3e9b00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: > "The only problem with those inline fours are when those crazy people > mount > them across the frame. We all KNOW that inline engines are supposed to > run > longitudinally." > > Just what I need--an even l o n g e r wheelbase! =:-) Short wheelbases just make it harder to ride the slab:) Perhaps the most interesting thing about Yamaha's new sports bikes are the short wheelbases. The engine and weight were bound to come down, but decreasing the wheelbase while still having a long swingarm... Nifty. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 2 23:56:55 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA07402 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17630; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:53:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:46:42 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: help, bike keeps stalling To: Mark Petty cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Mark Petty wrote: > Okay, I went out and played with the choke cable, and found out that > it's a lot more sluggish than I expected it to be. I manually pushed in > the widget that the end of the choke cable should be pushing in, and the > engine sounded much happier. It seems that the choke lever's losing > about half of it's action by the time it gets to the engine. > And for the heck of it I kicked up the idle to about 1k. I'll see how it > runs for the rest of the week, but for now I'm quietly optimistic. 1k sounds pretty low.I had a V30,a baby 'Ceptor,and a VFR and they all idled higher than that.Check your service manual. As for your original problem,another thing it could possibly be is carb icing.I had a couple '80s-era bikes that had this prob when it was cold. The symptoms were very similar to what you described.If adjusting your idle and playing with the choke cable don't fix the prob,try this the next time it happens.Pull over and shut off the bike for 30sec-1 min.If the carbs are icing,this should warm them up and you'll be ok. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 00:04:05 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07633 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 00:00:56 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "SCOTT Rush" Cc: Subject: RE: Friday Ride Recap Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:04:29 -0500 Message-ID: <004201be1e7a$6814f580$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <3665AC74.ACE8A782@tidalwave.net> > Seriously. I've got a knucklehead brother-in-law who still > lives in PA. He gets a new learner's permit every spring, > and rides his bike for half a year or so, until it gets "cold" > again. When it expires, he just goes and gets another one. > He even rode his Suzuki down here once. Never bothered > to take the test. Never had to, as far as he's concerned. It actually sounds perfectly reasonable to me. The only way to fight stupid laws is with stupid actions. AFA permits go... My brother has had one on and off for about two years now. He's put in several thousand miles. I've ridden downtown DC with him on July 4th. I'll ride pretty much anywhere with him. Except on a group ride. Well, maybe the ride to the wall. Maybe. Most other group rides are just way too fast. There's a reason he hasn't passed the test. Maybe it's anxiety. I don't know for sure. But there's a glimmer of doubt, and for that, I wouldn't want him on anybody's concience (sp) but mine. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 00:08:31 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07755 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 00:05:23 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "JOE NAGY" Cc: , Subject: RE: help, bike keeps stalling -Reply Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:08:56 -0500 Message-ID: <004301be1e7b$07185b40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <3665B5BB.D7FADC46@tidalwave.net> > Sure it does, it certainly hurts my wallet. No offense, but maybe you overextended yourself on the Connie. Maybe you oughta sell Tracy's bike to pay for gas if it's that much for you. > > Go back to premium and see what happens. It'll cost what, an extra 75 > > cents a tank? > > Believe it or not, that adds up after a while. Especially if you > like riding a lot. :) What kind of mileage are you getting? Adjusted for inflation, unless you're about 80 years old, this is the lowest that gas prices have ever been in your lifetime (definately mine. Born during the first gas crisis). At 40 mpg (average on the BMW's and Kawi, but MUCH higher than the Wing), the difference between regular (87) and super (92+/-) on a per mile basis is only about 1/2 cent. If I ride 10,000 miles this year (I'm not, since I live too close to work) that's only $50 difference in a year. Even on the Wing (around 24 mpg. I'm going to work on that. Think there's some carb blockage, or maybe the advance is messed up) it's only $100/year at 20,000 miles. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 00:10:40 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07761 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 00:07:30 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Battley's open house Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:11:04 -0500 Message-ID: <004401be1e7b$53576640$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <006801be1e78$f4030520$5b4537a6@default> Doesn't that kind of bore give you a porous cylinder? How thick is that sucker? (or is it one of those deals where it's the same cylinder used on a bigger bike?) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > There's a name I haven't heard anyone talk about in a long time. > I thought > Forest had his own shop in G'burg? He bored my CR 125 out 50 over and > fitted a Wiseco. He did it for a good price and gave me some > great advice. > Forest will do my machining if I ever get that GSX-R rear rim. I was told > that he did some work for Army of Darkness also. > > Jon > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 00:44:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08403 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16867 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA16115 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:44:10 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FJCAa17107 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:42:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <25bde050.366624d7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:42:47 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Jeez, can't we just drop the issue? Does everything have to turn into a flame war? The fact is that a rider went down. We should be glad that he wasn't seriously injured, and should learn from his mistakes. It's terrible when a rider goes down, newbie or old pro. We shouldn't be so quick to point fingers and make accusations. Especially not on a list where everyone can read it and respond. Just my $.02 Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 00:56:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08586 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16956 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:56:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA16307 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.25]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 00:52:51 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:56:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be1e81$a0168f00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <25bde050.366624d7@aol.com> Unfortunately, I believe that the rider in question hasn't attempted (or won't attempt) to learn from mistakes. Two rather experienced riders said they checked the curve: no gravel. Yet the victim contends that there was, and nothing could be done about it. Otherwise, you're spot on. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Jeez, can't we just drop the issue? Does everything have to turn > into a flame > war? The fact is that a rider went down. We should be glad that he wasn't > seriously injured, and should learn from his mistakes. It's > terrible when a > rider goes down, newbie or old pro. We shouldn't be so quick to > point fingers > and make accusations. Especially not on a list where everyone can > read it and > respond. Just my $.02 > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 01:00:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA08725 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16984 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA16356 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:59:58 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id NOIOa20423 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:59:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:59:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The last of the haclers - Dawn's at it again.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/2/98 11:37:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << Figures, you can never do what you say. I didn't think you'd unsubscribe, just like I didn't think you could ride w/o wrecking......... >> And again, Dawn decides to take a potshot at me. Pretty standard procedure aint it Dawn? Id really like to hear you say that you have never crashed...please lie to me Dawn. Its so funny how people sit around and rag on others for crashing but it happens and we all know this, right Dawn? Oh yeah Dawn, it was funny how you were talking all that shit until I shut you up with my email about your jealousy. Remember that one? Im sure you do. And what is this "never do what you say"? Are you my mother or something? DO I EVEN KNOW YOU? Hell, I dont think Ive ever even ridden with you! I got an idea Dawn, hows about you jump out on the track this spring with your FZR and "show me how its done". Sound like a plan? Look forward to seeing ya out there. Oh yeah, and try to stay out of my way OK? Thanks, I knew you would understand... Your mom not like you or something naming you Dawn? Jeez... Jack PS- FYI, the only times I have crashed because of my own actions were when I was pushing the limits...since Im sure you cant push *any* limits maybe you CAN say you havent crashed. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 02:03:00 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA09939 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 02:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA18533; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:59:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:58:58 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: The last of the *hecklers*... To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 12/2/98 11:37:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: > << Figures, you can never do what you say. I didn't think you'd unsubscribe, > Its so funny how people sit around and rag > on others for crashing but it happens and we all know this, right Dawn? From what I've seen,the people who catch the flack for crashing seem to be those who haven't learned. I've been down three times.I could say that road conditions or mechanical probs were the causes.Or I could own up to the fact that had I used more caution,I could've prevented every one.I haven't been down in 8 years because I learned from my mistakes and adjusted my riding. > Oh > yeah Dawn, it was funny how you were talking all that shit until I shut you up > with my email about your jealousy. Remember that one? Im sure you do. Kinda like how I shut you up with the e-mail about apologising to Glenn? > And what is this "never do what you say"? Are you my mother or something? DO > I EVEN KNOW YOU? Hell, I dont think Ive ever even ridden with you! Reread his post.He was talking about _you_ not following through with the things you say you're going to do.You said you were done with the list,but here you are throwing gas on the fire. > I got an > idea Dawn, hows about you jump out on the track this spring with your FZR and > "show me how its done". Sound like a plan? Look forward to seeing ya out > there. Oh yeah, and try to stay out of my way OK? Thanks, I knew you would > understand... Bad idea.I think he'd learn much more from watching Collin or Brian.Although you could teach him the proper way to crash. > Your mom not like you or something naming you Dawn? Jeez... Tsk,tsk.Resorting to personal attacks again,Jack?How do you know his father didn't name him?And I believe his name is Jon(Dawn's his family name). > PS- FYI, the only times I have crashed because of my own actions were when I > was pushing the limits... ...and what did this teach you? > since Im sure you cant push *any* limits maybe you > CAN say you havent crashed. Now,if you've never met him,how can you comment on his riding skill? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 02:04:09 1998 Return-Path: juicingit@XXXXXX Received: from f281.hotmail.com (f281.hotmail.com [207.82.251.172]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA09950 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 02:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by f281.hotmail.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19323 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:03:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from juicingit@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <199812030703.XAA19323@f281.hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.198.172 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 23:03:33 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.198.172] From: "Tom K." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: more hacklers.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 23:03:33 PST George of the Born Again Brigade >Unfortunately, I believe that the rider in question hasn't attempted (or >won't attempt) to learn from mistakes. What the hell you talkin about? The person that crashed isnt even on this list. How the hell do you know what he learned and what he didnt learn. I am simply defending my friend from being criticized behind his back. None of you had enough balls to say dick face to face, but suddenly over the internet everybody's testicles swelled to the size of grapefruits, and theres criticizm flying like shit off a shovel. Actually its not the criticizm that pisses me off, but the self congratulating patting of each others backs Theres a lot of nice people on this list but also there is a dissapointing amount of old farts who really cant leave nothing just be. This has to be most grumpy Born Again Brigade i ever saw.. Tom Kovari FZR600 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 04:28:10 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA13029 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA19183 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA19408 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:28:04 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SUNLa25366; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:27:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:27:25 EST To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The last of the haclers - Dawn's at it again.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/3/98 1:07:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << Your mom not like you or something naming you Dawn? Jeez... >> Jon, You're going to have to change your e-mail address or get a sex-change operation. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 04:52:01 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA13418 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:51:59 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 2RLCa07663; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:50:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:50:46 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The last of the *hecklers*... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/3/98 2:10:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Bad idea.I think he'd learn much more from watching Collin or Brian.Although you could teach him the proper way to crash. >> Hmmmm, have you ridden with Jon? Pretty tough to run away from him unless you know the road and he doesn't, even then it's not easy. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 04:58:13 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA13505 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:58:11 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CBMMa18769; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:57:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <79cbed56.36666076@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:57:10 EST To: juicingit@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more hacklers.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/3/98 2:11:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, juicingit@XXXXXX writes: << Theres a lot of nice people on this list but also there is a dissapointing amount of old farts who really cant leave nothing just be. >> Hey, hey. I am an old fart (47) and I haven't said a thing about this. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 05:12:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA13766 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 05:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA19587 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 05:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA19974 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 05:12:36 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id BGWMa07664; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 05:11:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9148b9ed.366663e9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 05:11:53 EST To: juicingit@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more hacklers.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 In judging the entire list based on the comments of a VERY small majority, you're kind of getting in the same boat as them. Why not everbody just shut up and drop it, since it's over and done with. Your friend spilled....big whoop. Hey guys....his friend spilled...big whoop. All those on the list who have never spilled raise your hands. Thought so. All those who ever rode without proper licensing or road worthy equipment, raise your hands. Oh, yeah, thought so. Question; If Collin had spilled, (not picking on you, CF, just making an example), riding his "Oh-my-god-it-rolls?!?" Maxim with expired tags from a different bike, bad forks and tires, would someone have lit into him? Don't think so. We were all punk kids....some of us still are. Whether it's gravel, inexperience, or stupidity. Let's all just drop it and pick something fun and worthwhile to bitch about, like why you can't get good velcro shoes anymore. Now that's a problem that needs to be addresed vociferously and expeditiously. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 05:36:35 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA14175 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 05:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA19928; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 05:33:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 05:28:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: The last of the *hecklers*... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > Hmmmm, have you ridden with Jon? Pretty tough to run away from him unless you > know the road and he doesn't, even then it's not easy. No.Wasn't slighting Jon,just using known values.I remember trying to keep up with Collin and another rider on an Aprillia.I literally only got a whiff of the two-smoke's tail pipe. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 07:00:43 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA15433 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:00:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981203120143.25528.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send206.yahoomail.com; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:01:42 PST Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:01:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: wait a minute!! Ducati dirtbikes??? To: Boiade@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The original Elefant was labeled a Cagiva, the later (bigger) Elefants were labeled Ducati. ---Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 12/2/98 2:27:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: > > << I never knew Ducati made dual-purpose > bikes... I think you need to find a picture to prove it.. :P > >> > Well the Cagiva Elephant was actually manufactured by Ducati. Cagiva owned > them then. > > Ciao, > > Fred > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 07:27:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15833 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20731 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:27:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (web4.rocketmail.com [205.180.57.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA21739 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:27:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981203122433.21822.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [160.151.5.29] by web4; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:24:32 PST Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:24:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Thompson Reply-To: jaynik@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The last of the haclers - Dawn's at it again.... To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dawn.jon@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dude, You ran off the road... that's on you bro... oh yeah and "Dawn" will likely spank you on the track... even with your TL's power... if you can't lean it over, it don't matter how much HP you have. FYI, "Dawn" has not wrecked. Call it luck or whatever, maybe it's just because some of us pay attention and some of us just suck at riding motorcycles. I have wrecked, it was my fault. It was stupid. I wrecked in a turn and it was my fault. So what? I rode an FZR, I guess that's not a superbike enough for you. If you'd just shut your spout, you'd get everybody off your back. Guess your mom never told you to just shut up and sit down... shame... Maybe you should go get a ZX-6.... E.... or take a year off and try again... try all of your options and see what works for you... obviously motorcycles aren't what you need right now.... Jay (I don't give a crap what kind of bike you ride) ---WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 12/2/98 11:37:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: > > << Figures, you can never do what you say. I didn't think you'd unsubscribe, > just like I didn't think you could ride w/o wrecking......... >> > > And again, Dawn decides to take a potshot at me. Pretty standard procedure > aint it Dawn? Id really like to hear you say that you have never > crashed...please lie to me Dawn. Its so funny how people sit around and rag > on others for crashing but it happens and we all know this, right Dawn? Oh > yeah Dawn, it was funny how you were talking all that shit until I shut you up > with my email about your jealousy. Remember that one? Im sure you do. > And what is this "never do what you say"? Are you my mother or something? DO > I EVEN KNOW YOU? Hell, I dont think Ive ever even ridden with you! I got an > idea Dawn, hows about you jump out on the track this spring with your FZR and > "show me how its done". Sound like a plan? Look forward to seeing ya out > there. Oh yeah, and try to stay out of my way OK? Thanks, I knew you would > understand... > Your mom not like you or something naming you Dawn? Jeez... > > Jack > > PS- FYI, the only times I have crashed because of my own actions were when I > was pushing the limits...since Im sure you cant push *any* limits maybe you > CAN say you havent crashed. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 07:28:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15836 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20741 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA21753 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:28:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981203123156.27660.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send204.yahoomail.com; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:31:56 PST Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:31:56 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) -Reply To: JOE NAGY , Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One more Haiku: Enough Already . ---JOE NAGY wrote: > > ONE MORE: > > Rein in your ego > > It is expensive to crash > > Please quit falling down > > --Cho Nai Gee > > >>> - 12/2/98 3:41 PM >>> > A LITTLE HAIKU FOR THE REGULAR LONG TIME LISTERS > > > > First there was "Squeakers" > > And then there was T L "Jack" > > And now there is "Tom" > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 07:29:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15850 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:29:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20753 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA21764 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA27731 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s21.wizard.net (tc1-s21.wizard.net [206.161.15.51]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA14687; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:47:28 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "George Howell" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 06:54:54 -0500 Message-ID: <36667944.32609366@smtp.wizard.net> References: <000001be1e81$a0168f00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> In-Reply-To: <000001be1e81$a0168f00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:56:09 -0500, you wrote: >Unfortunately, I believe that the rider in question hasn't attempted (or >won't attempt) to learn from mistakes. Two rather experienced riders = said >they checked the curve: no gravel. Yet the victim contends that there = was, >and nothing could be done about it. George (and others!), The rider who crashed is NOT on dc-cycles. There's no way to know what he's learned, not attempted to learn or otherwise. And, frankly, with the bashing he's been taking (without being here to defend himself), I don't believe he'll ever sign up with dc-cycles. And that's a shame, IMHO. His friend, who is on dc-cycles, and invited him on the CAMS ride has been trying to respond to the bashing as best he can. I feel bad because I recommended that Tom go on the ride, and invite his friend as well. I really think we all ought to drop this subject NOW! It is going absolutely nowhere! =20 I crashed in August... I was riding with people who were faster than me... I thought I could keep up... I lowsided and did $3K in damage to an almost new bike I had for a little over 1 month.... there was no gravel in the turn (or at the side of the road)... I was just going too d*mn fast... and as far as I can remember, no one gave me sh*t about it. So, the next time someone feels compelled to criticize someone who has crashed, please feel free to add me right in there!!!! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 07:36:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16051 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20811 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA21913 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamilton.arl.mil (hamilton.arl.mil [131.218.195.67]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA08103 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:36:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:34:46 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more hacklers.... In-Reply-To: <9148b9ed.366663e9@aol.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Speaking about solving these very serious problems. My boots do, in fact, have velcro on them. They also have zippers. Now, can you explain to me how velcro shoes will protect me in a crash? By extrapolation, I assume that a velcro suit would do an even better job (like the ones they use with the velcro wall and trampoline bar games)? -Mb PS. For the saracastically impaired... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > In judging the entire list based on the comments of a VERY small majority, > you're kind of getting in the same boat as them. Why not everbody just shut up > and drop it, since it's over and done with. Your friend spilled....big whoop. > Hey guys....his friend spilled...big whoop. All those on the list who have > never spilled raise your hands. Thought so. All those who ever rode without > proper licensing or road worthy equipment, raise your hands. Oh, yeah, thought > so. Question; If Collin had spilled, (not picking on you, CF, just making an > example), riding his "Oh-my-god-it-rolls?!?" Maxim with expired tags from a > different bike, bad forks and tires, would someone have lit into him? Don't > think so. We were all punk kids....some of us still are. Whether it's gravel, > inexperience, or stupidity. Let's all just drop it and pick something fun and > worthwhile to bitch about, like why you can't get good velcro shoes anymore. > Now that's a problem that needs to be addresed vociferously and expeditiously. > > -Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 07:43:00 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16161 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:43:09 -0500 Message-ID: <36E76EA04A46D211ACD900204804F0CC99F09F@rbmail101.chamb.disa.mil> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:43:27 -0500 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Um, okay. Scenario: defendant is accused of murder, having allegedly emptied a clip into his victim. Cue defense attorney: "Ladies and Gentleman of the jury, ignore the scurrilous claims that my client emptied the clip and focus on this: the police have admitted that they checked the gun after the alleged crime, and there were no bullets in it, so how could it have been fired?" Is it possible that an inexperienced rider could be caught off guard by a relatively small amount of gravel that he took with him when he went down? Yeah, yeah, this is just one more BS post that is neither here nor there. Robert is right, give it a rest. Geez, if it was anything but poetry..... Tom M. -----Original Message----- From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 03, 1998 12:56 AM To: NJitzul@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Unfortunately, I believe that the rider in question hasn't attempted (or won't attempt) to learn from mistakes. Two rather experienced riders said they checked the curve: no gravel. Yet the victim contends that there was, and nothing could be done about it. Otherwise, you're spot on. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Jeez, can't we just drop the issue? Does everything have to turn > into a flame > war? The fact is that a rider went down. We should be glad that he wasn't > seriously injured, and should learn from his mistakes. It's > terrible when a > rider goes down, newbie or old pro. We shouldn't be so quick to > point fingers > and make accusations. Especially not on a list where everyone can > read it and > respond. Just my $.02 > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 07:46:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16238 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:46:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20925 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:46:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA22090 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA27809 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id EAA00021 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:43:14 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:43:14 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:46:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK - I missed the ride (had to work) Lessee if I've got it, New guy (new to group) goes around corner and falls down (reasons unclear) damaging scooter, body and ego. Is that about it? Everyone who hasn't done this raise your hand The rest of you leave the room Michael (leaving the room now) J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 07:49:36 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA16257 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id EAA00216 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:46:03 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:46:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: wait a minute!! Ducati dirtbikes??? Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:49:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I never considered the Elefant a dirt bike - it's in the same category as the BMW G/S (Gelande/Strasse (Land/Road)) series - better on a dirt road than a street bike, but I wouldn't want to go at any serious rate of speed cross country on one. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 08:57:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17416 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21527 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA23559 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:57:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA25664; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981203135638.WJRM13094@toddnt>; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:56:38 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "JOE NAGY" , , Subject: RE: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff)-Reply Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:57:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be1ec4$eb42f610$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 We have a weiner! Cho, take a bow. > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [mailto:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 5:27 PM > To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride > stuff)-Reply > > > ONE MORE: > > Rein in your ego > > It is expensive to crash > > Please quit falling down > > --Cho Nai Gee > > >>> - 12/2/98 3:41 PM >>> > A LITTLE HAIKU FOR THE REGULAR LONG TIME LISTERS > > > > First there was "Squeakers" > > And then there was T L "Jack" > > And now there is "Tom" > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 09:32:51 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17959 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:34:23 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:33:47 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday Ride Recap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Seriously. That's the only thing they tell you when you get it. You go = in, pay $7 and they tell you you're not allowed to ride after sunset. = When it expires in 3 months, you go back, pay $7 and they tell you you're = not allowed to ride after sunset. I did this 3 times before I got my = license. My bro-in-laws grandfather said he's never getting his license, = just permits. He's been doing it for 2 years now. You should hear him = when he's out riding, "Gotta get back home. It's almost dark." Vrrrrrmmmm= mm.......70 year old flying down the road to get home before dark. hehe Scooter >>> Dale Horstman 12/02/98 04:09PM >>> SCOTT Rush wrote: > BTW, Pennsylvania's only requirement about riding on a permit is,=20 > No Riding After Sunset. Seriously. I've got a knucklehead brother-in-law who still lives in PA. He gets a new learner's permit every spring, and rides his bike for half a year or so, until it gets "cold" again. When it expires, he just goes and gets another one. He even rode his Suzuki down here once. Never bothered to take the test. Never had to, as far as he's concerned. =20 I can't even talk him into taking a MSF class in PA (In PA, they are even FREE! You just gotta find one and schedule yourself in.) Like I said, he's a knucklehead. :) --=20 Dale Horstman (the Horkster) =20 horkster@XXXXXX =20 Dale City, Virginia =20 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 09:46:24 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18202 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09842 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:46:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:46:19 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Speaking of "dirt" bikes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Check out the "street tracker" custom bikes, http://www.arstreet.com/ Interesting... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:02:15 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18440 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA11589 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:58:38 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:58:38 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Speaking of "dirt" bikes Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:02:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Check out the "street tracker" custom bikes, http://www.arstreet.com/ Neat! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:10:43 1998 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18532 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:10:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:10:37 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC391351707@ZEUS.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: SCOTT Rush , Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Friday Ride Recap Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:10:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) <> You go in, pay $7 and they tell you you're not allowed to ride after sunset. When it expires in 3 months, you go back, pay $7 and they tell you you're not allowed to ride after sunset. This is funny. Assuming you're Grandfather has been riding for 50 years at 2 permits per season, he's racked up about $700.00 worth of permits. Tony CBR600 F3 PS Assuming about an hour a permit, he's lost about 100 hours of riding time. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:13:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18610 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22632 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA26115 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:15:16 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:14:59 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, berman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more hacklers.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've never seen one of these in person. Do you mean there's one in this = area somewhere? If so, where? Might be interesting to watch. Scooter (also for the sarcastically impaired) >>> Morris Berman 12/03/98 07:34AM >>> that a velcro suit would do an even better job (like the ones they use with the velcro wall and trampoline bar games)? -Mb PS. For the saracastically impaired... From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:19:10 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18720 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22750 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26317 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 424; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:18:29 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19981203101731.021495d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:18:03 -0500 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, juicingit@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: more hacklers.... In-Reply-To: <9148b9ed.366663e9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Im raising my hand. At 05:11 AM 12/3/98 , Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >In judging the entire list based on the comments of a VERY small majority, >you're kind of getting in the same boat as them. Why not everbody just shut up >and drop it, since it's over and done with. Your friend spilled....big whoop. >Hey guys....his friend spilled...big whoop. All those on the list who have >never spilled raise your hands. Thought so. All those who ever rode without >proper licensing or road worthy equipment, raise your hands. Oh, yeah, thought >so. Question; If Collin had spilled, (not picking on you, CF, just making an >example), riding his "Oh-my-god-it-rolls?!?" Maxim with expired tags from a >different bike, bad forks and tires, would someone have lit into him? Don't >think so. We were all punk kids....some of us still are. Whether it's gravel, >inexperience, or stupidity. Let's all just drop it and pick something fun and >worthwhile to bitch about, like why you can't get good velcro shoes anymore. >Now that's a problem that needs to be addresed vociferously and expeditiously. > >-Sean Jordan ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:27:43 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18881 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:28:55 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:28:40 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: SuazoT@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Friday Ride Recap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Nope, he hasn't been getting permits that long. He used to live in Ohio = and didn't bother with anything, just rode. No permit and no license. He = says it's just not worth it. Go figure. Scooter >>> "Suazo, Tony" 12/03/98 10:10AM >>> <> You go in, pay $7 and they tell you you're not allowed to ride after = sunset. When it expires in 3 months, you go back, pay $7 and they tell you you're not allowed to ride after sunset. This is funny. Assuming you're Grandfather has been riding for 50 years = at 2 permits per season, he's racked up about $700.00 worth of permits. Tony CBR600 F3 PS Assuming about an hour a permit, he's lost about 100 hours of riding time. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:35:27 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19034 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.29]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:32:17 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Tom K." , Subject: RE: more hacklers.... Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:35:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be1ed2$959fdd00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <199812030703.XAA19323@f281.hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > George of the Born Again Brigade Sorry. Been riding since my mid-20's, and never stopped. > What the hell you talkin about? I'm talking about the inane chatter I've been reading on the list. > None of you had enough balls to say dick face to face, but > suddenly over the internet everybody's testicles swelled to the size of > grapefruits, and theres criticizm flying like shit off a shovel. Anita might take offense at the 'testicular' comment... It would have been hard for me to say anything face to face. I wasn't there. As for your friend, why does he need you to 'defend' him to strangers? > Theres a lot of nice people on this list but also there is a > dissapointing amount of old farts who really cant leave nothing just > be. Old fart at 26. What are you? A spry young 16 year old? That would be my impression. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" ost grumpy Born Again Brigade i ever saw.. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:35:35 1998 Return-Path: mcronan@XXXXXX Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19037 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:32:16 -0500 Message-ID: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A841A6E0C@machine01.intelx.com> From: Marc Cronan To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Boots Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:32:14 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, I've been a voyeur long enough and am jumping into the fray with a "newbie" question. Can anyone recommend a good pair of sport boots that are comfortable enough to walk around in as well as functional enough to ride in? I've been looking through the catalogs and I can't decide. It doesn't make it any easier that I can't try them on either. Like to keep it below $150. Please let me know. Marc From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:35:40 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19040 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:31:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Friday Ride Recap Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:31:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) No doubt it seem rather foolish. Why not just get the license? I guess people like rushing home when its starting to get dark? Glenn > <> > You go in, pay $7 and they tell you you're not allowed to ride after > sunset. > When it expires in 3 months, you go back, pay $7 and they tell you you're > not allowed to ride after sunset. > > This is funny. Assuming you're Grandfather has been riding for 50 years > at > 2 permits per season, he's racked up about $700.00 worth of permits. > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:37:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19066 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23135 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA27128 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:34:56 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:34:22 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The last of the haclers - Dawn's at it again.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Not to get into the middle of this war but I just wanted to clear this up. = Has anyone told this guy that Dawn is Jon's significant other and NOT = Jon's name and NOT the person responding to him on the list. Jon's last = name is Schumer and he lives with Dawn, hence the name "dawn.jon". BTW, = Dawn is a very nice lady, so quit picking on her. :-) Scooter (getting out of the middle now) >>> 12/03/98 12:59AM >>> In a message dated 12/2/98 11:37:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << Figures, you can never do what you say. I didn't think you'd unsubscrib= e, just like I didn't think you could ride w/o wrecking......... >> And again, Dawn decides to take a potshot at me. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:38:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19069 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23143 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27142 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA29759 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:37:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:36:27 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:35:56 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: ghowell@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Very well said Anita. I agree 100%. Can we drop this now and quit taking = up my bandwidth? Scooter >>> Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> 12/03/98 06:54AM >>> George (and others!), The rider who crashed is NOT on dc-cycles. There's no way to know what he's learned, not attempted to learn or otherwise. And, frankly, with the bashing he's been taking (without being here to defend himself), I don't believe he'll ever sign up with dc-cycles. And that's a shame, IMHO. His friend, who is on dc-cycles, and invited him on the CAMS ride has been trying to respond to the bashing as best he can. I feel bad because I recommended that Tom go on the ride, and invite his friend as well. I really think we all ought to drop this subject NOW! It is going absolutely nowhere! =20 I crashed in August... I was riding with people who were faster than me... I thought I could keep up... I lowsided and did $3K in damage to an almost new bike I had for a little over 1 month.... there was no gravel in the turn (or at the side of the road)... I was just going too d*mn fast... and as far as I can remember, no one gave me sh*t about it. So, the next time someone feels compelled to criticize someone who has crashed, please feel free to add me right in there!!!! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:38:54 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19093 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.29]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:35:45 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Jordan, Michael" , Subject: RE: wait a minute!! Ducati dirtbikes??? Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:39:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be1ed3$119a2500$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I never considered the Elefant a dirt bike - it's in the same category as > the BMW G/S (Gelande/Strasse (Land/Road)) series - better on a dirt road > than a street bike, but I wouldn't want to go at any serious rate of speed > cross country on one. Would that be the current 'robo-boxer', or the original GS/PD model that won the PD Rally four years in a row? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:49:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19328 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23293 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27606 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:49:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00019 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:46:20 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "SCOTT Rush" , <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: Subject: RE: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:49:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be1ed4$8c1f15a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal A 'me too' sent to two people, an entire mailing list, and quoting the original? Good way to conserve bandwidth. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: SCOTT Rush [mailto:SRUSH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 1998 10:36 AM > To: ghowell@XXXXXX; 2xracers@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) > > > Very well said Anita. I agree 100%. Can we drop this now and > quit taking up my bandwidth? > > Scooter > > >>> Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> 12/03/98 06:54AM >>> > George (and others!), > > The rider who crashed is NOT on dc-cycles. There's no way to know > what he's learned, not attempted to learn or otherwise. And, frankly, > with the bashing he's been taking (without being here to defend > himself), I don't believe he'll ever sign up with dc-cycles. And > that's a shame, IMHO. His friend, who is on dc-cycles, and invited > him on the CAMS ride has been trying to respond to the bashing as best > he can. I feel bad because I recommended that Tom go on the ride, and > invite his friend as well. > > I really think we all ought to drop this subject NOW! It is going > absolutely nowhere! > > I crashed in August... I was riding with people who were faster than > me... I thought I could keep up... I lowsided and did $3K in damage to > an almost new bike I had for a little over 1 month.... there was no > gravel in the turn (or at the side of the road)... I was just going > too d*mn fast... and as far as I can remember, no one gave me sh*t > about it. So, the next time someone feels compelled to criticize > someone who has crashed, please feel free to add me right in there!!!! > > Anita > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:56:29 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19452 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 64; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:54:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3666B4A3.D4C9D6DF@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:56:19 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: help, bike keeps stalling -Reply References: <004301be1e7b$07185b40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > No offense, but maybe you overextended yourself on the Connie. > Maybe you oughta sell Tracy's bike to pay for gas if it's that much > for you. Not really overextended, but I just can't see pissing good money away for more expensive gas that I don't need. I don't believe the gas company's hype about premium gas, and I'm saving money. > Even on the Wing it's only $100/year at 20,000 miles. Lessee, so far, I've racked up 23000 miles on the Concours, which works out to about 34000 miles per year. 40 mpg means I've burnt through 850 gallons of gas. Assuming the premium gas is $.20 more per gallon, that's $170 per year I'm saving. Considering that I paid $500 for Tracy's bike, yeah, I could sell it and ride for 3 ($510) years buying the expensive stuff. No thanks. We're much happier this way. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 10:56:31 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19453 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:56:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812031556.KAA19453@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:56:12 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Boots Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:51:12 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Hrm.. the $$$ limit tosses my recomendation out the window - Sidi has some good boots, but they're in the $230 range.. I've been wearing mine daily for about 18 months now, they need resoled, but they're comfortable, durable and provide good protection (I think, never crashed with them). Gearne has had some good recomendations as well.. I think they're in the lower price range (about your limit).. these are all MC specific boots mind you.. you could go out and buy a pair od Redwings for $100 and have them work just fine also... Just a for more cents.. Brian McCoy -----Original Message----- Ok, I've been a voyeur long enough and am jumping into the fray with a "newbie" question. Can anyone recommend a good pair of sport boots that are comfortable enough to walk around in as well as functional enough to ride in? I've been looking through the catalogs and I can't decide. It doesn't make it any easier that I can't try them on either. Like to keep it below $150. Please let me know. Marc From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:01:54 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19621 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:01:29 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:01:04 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Friday Ride Recap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline What can I say, he's a crazy and cantankerous old fart whose set in his = ways. :-) Scooter >>> "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" 12/03/98 10:31AM = >>> No doubt it seem rather foolish. Why not just get the license? I guess people like rushing home when its starting to get dark? Glenn > <> > You go in, pay $7 and they tell you you're not allowed to ride after > sunset. > When it expires in 3 months, you go back, pay $7 and they tell you = you're > not allowed to ride after sunset. >=20 > This is funny. Assuming you're Grandfather has been riding for 50 years > at > 2 permits per season, he's racked up about $700.00 worth of permits. >=20 >=20 >=20 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:05:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19771 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23633 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28373 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00364 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06189; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:05:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199812031605.LAA06189@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "George Howell" , , SRUSH@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:04:23 -0500 Subject: RE: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000e01be1ed4$8c1f15a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 3 Dec 98, at 10:49, George Howell wrote: > A 'me too' sent to two people, an entire mailing list, and quoting the > original? Good way to conserve bandwidth. No offense, George, but you just did essentially the same thing! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:06:16 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19788 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:06:00 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:05:27 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mcronan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boots Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I just replaced my boots with a set of Alpinestars GPS boots. They're = really comfortable but, I think they were over $150 but NOT over $200. I = used to have a pair of Alpinestars Circus boots. Man, I loved those = boots. They now have a quarter sized hole in them. :-( That kinda cuts = down on their waterproofing ability. :-) Bought 'em from Springfield = Cycle Sport. Scooter >>> Marc Cronan 12/03/98 10:32AM >>> Ok, I've been a voyeur long enough and am jumping into the fray with a "newbie" question. Can anyone recommend a good pair of sport boots that are comfortable enough to walk around in as well as functional enough to ride in? I've been looking through the catalogs and I can't decide. It doesn't make it any easier that I can't try them on either. Like to keep it below $150. Please let me know. Marc=20 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:10:17 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19808 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06685; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:09:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199812031609.LAA06685@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Marc Cronan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:08:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Boots Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A841A6E0C@machine01.intelx.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 3 Dec 98, at 10:32, Marc Cronan wrote: > Ok, I've been a voyeur long enough and am jumping into the fray with a > "newbie" question. Can anyone recommend a good pair of sport boots that > are comfortable enough to walk around in as well as functional enough to > ride in? I've been looking through the catalogs and I can't decide. It > doesn't make it any easier that I can't try them on either. Like to keep > it below $150. Please let me know. I have a pair of Motoport Miami boots. Cost about $150, and I wear them at work all day (when I ride). I found that Motoport stuff isn't really discounted much mail order, and bought mine at (cough!) Colemans. Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:12:12 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19878 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06992; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:11:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199812031611.LAA06992@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "George Howell" , juicingit@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:11:05 -0500 Subject: RE: more hacklers.... CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000c01be1ed2$959fdd00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <199812030703.XAA19323@f281.hotmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 3 Dec 98, at 10:35, George Howell wrote: > > None of you had enough balls to say dick face to face, but > > suddenly over the internet everybody's testicles swelled to the size of > > grapefruits, and theres criticizm flying like shit off a shovel. > > Anita might take offense at the 'testicular' comment... Actually, I don't take offense at all.. I think it sums up the situation perfectly. Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:12:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19881 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23794 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28752 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA00505 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:14:13 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:13:40 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: ghowell@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sorry, forgot to cut before I hit send. That happens when people here at = work actually bother me with a problem, I hurry up and send before I = check. :-) It won't happen again, I promise. Scooter >>> "George Howell" 12/03/98 10:49AM >>> A 'me too' sent to two people, an entire mailing list, and quoting the original? Good way to conserve bandwidth. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX=20 georgehowell@XXXXXX=20 "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:14:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19915 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23811 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:14:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28812 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA00522 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:16:13 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:15:43 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I won't comment on that but, thanks Anita. :-) Scooter (ducking and running from George) >>> "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> 12/03/98 11:04AM >>> On 3 Dec 98, at 10:49, George Howell wrote: > A 'me too' sent to two people, an entire mailing list, and quoting the > original? Good way to conserve bandwidth. No offense, George, but you just did essentially the same thing! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:18:30 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20015 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:18:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981203162133.20806.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send204.yahoomail.com; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 08:21:33 PST Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:21:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Looking for Marvin The Snake To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry for the SPAM to the rest of you, I hate to do it but I lost Marvin the Snake's info. Snake, call me Friday AM (I will definietly be home and awake between 0800 and 0900 watching Beverly Hillbillies) 410 757 4557. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:26:39 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20173 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23486; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:26:37 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC63@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Marc Cronan'" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Boots Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:26:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I wear Bates Durashocks out and about on street rides. They are steel toed and steel shanked, yet still very light. I personally crash tested them at Leon's circles, and other than a chunk out of the toe leather all the way to the steel, they came through fine. Only bad thing is that they have a canvas upper (with a small leather strip on it). They cost me around $70. Collin ps: Brian McCoy has a pair of boots that looks like they'd fit the bill... He used to wear them all day long even to work... > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Cronan [SMTP:mcronan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 1998 10:47 AM > To: Dc-Cycles (E-mail) > Subject: Boots > Can anyone recommend a good pair of sport boots that > are comfortable enough to walk around in as well as functional enough to > ride in? From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:45:43 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20678 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:47:39 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:47:30 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:44:22 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, raymondlucas@XXXXXX Subject: Re: wait a minute!! Ducati dirtbikes??? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Ray wrote: The original Elefant was labeled a Cagiva, the later (bigger) Elefants were labeled Ducati. And if I'm not mistaken, the Elefant was a 650. The Ducati was (is?) a 900, and the Elefant moniker was dropped in favor of E900. Too bad--boring maroon color scheme, too. Joe ---Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 12/2/98 2:27:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: > > << I never knew Ducati made dual-purpose > bikes... I think you need to find a picture to prove it.. :P > >> > Well the Cagiva Elephant was actually manufactured by Ducati. Cagiva owned > them then. > > Ciao, > > Fred > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:52:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20764 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24443 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00580 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 68; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:50:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3666C1B4.5E9C9A5D@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:52:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Eternity23@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more hacklers.... References: <9148b9ed.366663e9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Methinks the younger Jordan speaks with wisdom that belies his years. :) His whole post bears repeating. Dale, not snipping a darned thing Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > In judging the entire list based on the comments of a VERY small majority, > you're kind of getting in the same boat as them. Why not everbody just shut up > and drop it, since it's over and done with. Your friend spilled....big whoop. > Hey guys....his friend spilled...big whoop. All those on the list who have > never spilled raise your hands. Thought so. All those who ever rode without > proper licensing or road worthy equipment, raise your hands. Oh, yeah, thought > so. Question; If Collin had spilled, (not picking on you, CF, just making an > example), riding his "Oh-my-god-it-rolls?!?" Maxim with expired tags from a > different bike, bad forks and tires, would someone have lit into him? Don't > think so. We were all punk kids....some of us still are. Whether it's gravel, > inexperience, or stupidity. Let's all just drop it and pick something fun and > worthwhile to bitch about, like why you can't get good velcro shoes anymore. > Now that's a problem that needs to be addresed vociferously and expeditiously. > > -Sean Jordan -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:53:22 1998 Return-Path: hgg@XXXXXX Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20775 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hgg (user-37ka884.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.33.4]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA30848; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:51:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981203115323.007ed910@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:53:23 -0500 To: Marc Cronan From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Boots Cc: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" In-Reply-To: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A841A6E0C@machine01.intelx.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:32 AM 12/3/98 -0500, Marc Cronan wrote: >Ok, I've been a voyeur long enough and am jumping into the fray with a >"newbie" question. Can anyone recommend a good pair of sport boots that >are comfortable enough to walk around in as well as functional enough to >ride in? Marc, I've been very please with my Alpinestars in terms of both comfort and functionality. They have a broad range of styles and features (see http://www.alpinestars.com/ though for some reason they don't show their full line) and are available through most dealers and mail-order houses. I have an old pair of GP Pros with vents. At some point I may move up to their Goretex model, but my current pair show no indication that they are wearing out. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:57:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20886 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24531 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00785 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 348; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:55:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3666C2E5.DC9934FB@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:57:09 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morris Berman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: velcro References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morris Berman wrote: > Now, can you explain to me > how velcro shoes will protect me in a crash? By extrapolation, I > assume that a velcro suit would do an even better job Well, for starters, you wouldn't have to worry about abrasion resistance, since you wouldn't slide, you'd just stick on impact (provided the road surface is made of the proper materiel). Deceleration forces would probably suck pretty bad, though. Be pretty gross if you exploded all over the inside of your riding suit. Eww... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 11:57:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20889 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24534 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA00788 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:57:53 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:57:49 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:54:19 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, raymondlucas@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Ray, Haiku has a format--5 syllables for the first line, 7 in the second, and 5 in the third. What I believe you meant to say is: You are not perfect Shut the fuck up already. This shit's getting old You're welcome. =(:-) Joe (why yes, I am screwing off at work) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 12:14:29 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21270 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 272; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:12:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3666C6D9.2C1A4CD5@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:14:01 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Friday Ride Recap References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't understand it either. I guess my brother in law gets very anxious when he's about to take tests. That's probably the reason he doesn't take the MSF classes either, he's afraid he'll freeze up. What the hell he's doing on a motorcycle I'll never know. :) Dale Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > No doubt it seem rather foolish. Why not just get the license? I guess > people like rushing home when its starting to get dark? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 12:16:14 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21355 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12785 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:16:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:16:07 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Boots In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981203115323.007ed910@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII At 10:32 AM 12/3/98 -0500, Marc Cronan wrote: >Ok, I've been a voyeur long enough and am jumping into the fray with a >"newbie" question. Can anyone recommend a good pair of sport boots that >are comfortable enough to walk around in as well as functional enough to >ride in? My recommendation is to find some boots with goretex/sympatex/or whatever-water-resistantex. It's just such a basically good thing to have dry feet. I'd recommend my boots but they're outside your $ value. Still, for anyone willing to spend a bit more money, the BMW boots ($280) are great. They've got goretex, armored toe/ankle/shin, basic black color that doesn't look too bad with dress pants at work, etc. My only complaint is that there's significant wear on the sole of each - it's along the outer side and towards the front of each boot. I don't know what could be causing it... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 12:22:35 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21540 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:22:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:24:32 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:24:29 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 13:20:00 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Speaking of "dirt" bikes -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Nice. But here's the one that gets me turgid: http://www.lanzatech.com/customers/mule/index.html Cooler than the Bartels models, IMO. Joe "I built 'er one piece at a time . . ." --Johnny Cash >>> Kirk Roy - 12/3/98 9:46 AM >>> Check out the "street tracker" custom bikes, http://www.arstreet.com/ Interesting... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 12:23:10 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21544 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 216; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:21:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3666C8F1.64F68B45@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:22:57 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" CC: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Boots References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC63@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > > I wear Bates Durashocks out and about on street rides. They are steel toed > and steel shanked, yet still very light. I personally crash tested them at > Leon's circles, and other than a chunk out of the toe leather all the way to > the steel, they came through fine. And Collin, on behalf of the list, we certainly do appreciated the extremes you'll go to in order to test a product. :) (For everyone seeing red on the list lately, that was a joke!) And I was able to verify at Leon's Circles too that, yes indeed, empty bags on a Concours will definitely hold up a 650+ pound motorcycle in the event of a tipover. Shoei helmets suck at hiding embarassed faces, though. (Yes, that was a joke, too!) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 12:43:41 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21947 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:45:00 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:44:38 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: Dysart@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday Ride Recap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sounds like test anxiety syndrome. Yes it is a real affliction and yes I = have it. Basically it means, you do fine in everyday normal stuff but, = when your are being tested or graded your anxiety level skyrockets and you = screw up. You could do everything perfect until you have to take a test = on it. Scooter >>> Dale Horstman 12/03/98 12:14PM >>> I don't understand it either. I guess my brother in law gets very anxious when he's about to take tests. That's probably the reason he doesn't take the MSF classes either, he's afraid he'll freeze up. What the hell he's doing on a motorcycle I'll never know. :) Dale From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 12:48:13 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22047 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:48:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812031748.MAA22047@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:48:01 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: I-83 info.. Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:36:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Curious if anyone knows a good place to try on some leathers (er, stop I mean) on 83 at the MD/PA border.. all the on-line map programs suck and don't show anything.. Thanks for any help.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 12:51:37 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22168 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18044; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:51:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199812031751.MAA18044@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Marc Cronan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:50:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Boots Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A841A6E0C@machine01.intelx.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 3 Dec 98, at 10:32, Marc Cronan wrote: > Ok, I've been a voyeur long enough and am jumping into the fray with a > "newbie" question. Marc, Forgot to mention that "lurker" would be the correct term for hanging out on the Internet and not posting... although for this list, "voyeur" could be pretty appropriate! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 12:56:13 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22213 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18486 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:56:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199812031756.MAA18486@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:55:29 -0500 Subject: Updated Member Listing Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Well, we've now got 63 brave souls who aren't afraid to tell the world that they belong to dc-cycles. You can view their names and sundry other information at: http://www.wizard.net/~2xracers/dc-cycles.htm If you haven't joined this illustrious group (and want to!), you can fill out the form at: http://www.fill-form.com/dc-cycles I just picked up the FrontPage98 upgrade, so I'm hoping that I'll be able to have some "prettier" pages for you to see by Monday. I also haven't solved the truncation problem with some of the longer entries. I'm hoping that downloading in Access format will take care of that. I am getting much faster at formatting the spreadsheet and converting it to HTML. :-) Have fun! Anita PS - You'll notice that my name is not longer at the top... that was an alphabetical thing, not an ego thing! :-) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 12:56:41 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA22216 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id JAA11786 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:53:02 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:53:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dale Horstman , "Fagan, Collin LT" Cc: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Boots Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:56:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >And I was able to verify at Leon's Circles too that, yes indeed, empty bags >on a Concours will definitely hold up a 650+ pound motorcycle in the event >of a tipover. My GiVis work much better at this than I would have expected - bounce right back, and all that >Shoei helmets suck at hiding embarassed faces, though. You need a darker faceshield Michael J From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 12:59:35 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA22306 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id JAA12466 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:56:02 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:56:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speaking of "dirt" bikes -Reply Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:59:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.lanzatech.com/customers/mule/index.html Yup - one of those too, Santa!! That's what I like - basic motorscooter - two wheels, a motor and a frame to keep it all lashed together - none of that fancy plastic stuff - nosirree! Never trust a motorcycle you can't see through. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 13:02:07 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22420 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id JAA12646 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:56:48 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:56:48 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Marc Cronan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Boots Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:00:11 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >although for this list, "voyeur" could be pretty appropriate! :-) I resemble that remark!!! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 13:04:38 1998 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22468 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:04:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981203180747.28132.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send102.yahoomail.com; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:07:47 PST Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:07:47 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Saturday - Battley's Open House To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone riding to the Battley's Harley Davidson open house from the Arlington area? Any other rides planned for Saturday afternoon and/or Sunday? Herb _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 13:05:47 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22547 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id KAA13749 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:02:15 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:02:15 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Boots Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:05:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Try this - look under closeout section - Bieffe boots at $49.95 per pair. http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/welcome/product.asp?Dept=22&ID=286 Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 13:06:22 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22550 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:06:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812031806.NAA22550@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:06:10 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: boots.. Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:01:12 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) well, since someone asked, I went looking.. Found MY Sidi Combat Touring boots.. for 155, brand new.. one pair, Eurpoean size 41 (womens 9 - mens 8~8.5 - they run big, so a mens 9 could probably fit them nicely). Any interest, e-mail me.. :) Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 13:07:43 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22561 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id KAA14202 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:04:11 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:04:11 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: wait a minute!! Ducati dirtbikes??? Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:07:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Would that be the current 'robo-boxer', or the original GS/PD model that won >the PD Rally four years in a row? That would be (primarily) the current robo boxer (I like that term!!) but even the original was a bit porky for a dirt bike Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 13:21:48 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23012 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01920 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:23:03 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC69@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Fw: race/street bike for sale Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:22:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Another one from Roadracers.com Wish I had 1800 bucks :) I miss my 93 750... [ ] For Sale: '93 GSXR-600 Race/street From: jasonb@XXXXXX Date: 12/2/98 Time: 11:47:39 PM Comments 1993 GSXR-600 Street/race bike for sale. $1800.00 or best offer. I'm willin' to deal! From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 13:27:26 1998 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23106 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for meretrix.com!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!rcrishock (dcn.att.com!rcrishock); Thu Dec 3 11:55 CST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA00106 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:55:02 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE1EBC.20875EA0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:54:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Member Listing and SPAM Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:54:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita, Sorry. I missed the part about the form. In the immortal words of Roseanne Rosannadanna, "Nevermind." Rich '78 Triumph T140E Scowling Street Terrors #78 >-----Original Message----- >From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 12:45 PM >To: Crishock, Richard; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Member Listing and SPAM > >On 2 Dec 98, at 12:06, Crishock, Richard wrote: > >> It is a cool idea, and it looks very nice, and I really admire you and all >> the others that give time and effort for the good of the list, but... I >> really don't want my email address listed on the web. Especially since I >> subscribe from work. I don't mind list members emailing me, but I don't >> want my (work) address added to all the spam lists. I don't like spam. > >Richard, > >The only info that I'm posting is what people fill out at www.fill- >form.com/dc-cycles. If you don't want any info posted, don't fill >anything out! :-) This is about as voluntary as you can get. Didn't I >say that? :-) > > >Anita >(hates spam as much as the next person) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 13:35:38 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23330 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:35:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812031835.NAA23330@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:35:32 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: listers.. Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:30:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Dang.. I didn't know we had that many females lurking in the background here.. Well, at least it's understandable why they don't speak up or show their faces.. we're rude, crude and act like pigs.. Only by luck have Anita, Ursulina, Jeannette, Lee, and Linda come out of the cold.. Ok, so I'm missing some I know about.. Marcy, Colleen.. I know there are others.... Whew, we've owned a lot of cool bikes as a group.. :) Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 13:50:20 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23632 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:50:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812031850.NAA23632@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:50:04 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: before I waste lots of bandwidth... Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:45:03 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Is there anyone looking for motorcycles? Interested, want me to watch for something? I seem to run across awefully good deals on a fairly regular basis (blame it on my not working while at work.. :P) - I just ask this because I saw a good deal on an 89 FJ1200 in Fairfax.. $2500.. I'm tired of posting adds all the time.. If you're interested, just drop me a note - kinda what you're looking for, price range, age, model, whatever (on a side note, I tend to look mostly from the mid-80's to newer.. but occasionaly browse through the old stuff).. I'll send you updates when I find stuff.. Finders fee optional (but appreciated).. :) Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 13:57:41 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23745 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04911; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:58:25 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC70@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: listers.. Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:58:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain yeah, I thought so too... Seems like Honda CT model trail bikes were popular (even if one of them is listed to two different ppl :)) Also appears that there's about one BMW owners group for every two people riding one :) Never realized I had had such loyalty to Kow-a-sucky till I started listing old bikes..what was I thinking :) Far too many of you are professional computer geeks...even sadder is those of us not being paid to be computer geeks..guess we're just geeks :) I really like to use smiley faces :) A very few folks have been riding longer than i've lived...you old coots... Most people have listed taking the MSF as a course rather than having taking the Basic Rider Course taught by the MSF There are a lot of lurkers who have put up with a lot of signal to noise ratio and still never manage to post! C'mon, let's hear from you..to heck with the bandwidth conservators...that's why they made the delete key :) Collin (who really doesn't feel like working after his meeting with Mickey Mouse and the Italian Shipyard building his new boat!) On Thursday, December 03, 1998 1:51 PM, McCoy, Brian NAB02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] wrote: > Whew, we've owned a lot of cool bikes as a group.. :) > > Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 14:00:45 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23865 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:00:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 149; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:59:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3666DFD3.ECDB3A8@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 14:00:35 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SCOTT Rush CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday Ride Recap References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SCOTT Rush wrote: > > when your are being tested or graded your anxiety level skyrockets > and you screw up. You could do everything perfect until you have to > take a test on it. Hmm. I guess I don't understand why someone with this problem would take up motorcycling as a hobby, then. I'd worry about being "tested" by the next set of corners, and being "graded" on a pretty steep curve. Pun intended. :( -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 14:17:21 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24217 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA30745 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:16:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981203185301.ZVGN13094@toddnt> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:53:01 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Boots FW: Spam Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:54:13 -0500 Message-ID: <001201be1eee$51b61610$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Contact Bill, NOT me. For whomever was looking for boots > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hsta@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-hsta@XXXXXX] > On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 1998 12:49 PM > To: Honda Sport Touring Association > Subject: Spam > > > Time to clean out some things. > > For Sale: > > Used pr Alpinestars WATERPROOF boots size large 10 (I wear a 9 > 1/2 and they > are way too large for me. Should have ordered a 9) I wore them for about a > year and they haven't been worn for the last two years. Very reasonable > shape (left toe sole worn slightly (wonder how that happened)) > $60 and I pay > shipping. > > Brand new tank for '91 FJ1200, (Blue and white) $200 + shipping. > > Used L & R side covers (not air intakes, the ones under the seat) > for '89 FJ > (Red, white and silver) no broken tabs, Very slight scuff marks > on one. $35 > ea + shipping. > > Set of Original mufflers from '91 FJ, excellent shape, $100 + shipping. > > Brand new WOMAN'S leather pants, size 8 but would probably fit a 4 or 5, > $70. + shipping. > > Bill Sowers > > HSTA * FJ Owners Club * HRC * SWVA Retreads * AMA > '91 Yamaha FJ1200 '88 Honda Hawk GT650 > http://www.localweb.com/mtrspts/ (Including 380 MC Links) > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 14:30:08 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24572 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA00680 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:26:33 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:26:33 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: listers.. Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:29:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >A very few folks have been riding longer than i've lived...you old coots... That's FORTUNATE old coot to you, sonny ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 14:32:40 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24594 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 344; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:31:11 -0500 Message-ID: <3666E750.24168B83@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 14:32:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: listers.. References: <199812031835.NAA23330@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > we're rude, crude and act like pigs.. You mean some of you guys were only "acting"?!? Geez! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 15:31:27 1998 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25641 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA10484 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:31:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199812032131.QAA10484@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:29:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Speaking of bikes for sale.. X-Confirm-Reading-To: "John Newman" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Speaking of bikes for sale... I have had my eye on one f these for a long time.....( dream on.....) Doesn't one of our fellow listers have one of these? Collin- who was that riding with you after the group ride on the RS250 the other day? -John Subject: Aprilia For Sale Aprilia 1997 RS250SP Black 400km on motor (Track time only) Tuned By Fast By Ferracci 62 bhp at the rear wheel Hyperpro Steering Damper Michelin Slicks on Stock Marchesini Wheels Race Shock Spare Sprockets Race Fairings (Fiberglass) Electronic Dash with timer & Fastest Lap recorder Aluminum Subframe All Street Bodywork & Lights Tire Warmers FG Moto Rear Stand 10k or 9k without street parts Bike is amazingly nimble and quick. Call Michael Aron @ Fast By Ferracci 215-657-1276 x13 (work) 215-348-3779 (Home - No Machine Call after 7pm est) or e-mail michaelaron@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 15:36:51 1998 Return-Path: hgg@XXXXXX Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25755 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hgg (user-38lcis9.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.137]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA22308; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:36:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981203153821.007bf440@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 15:38:21 -0500 To: Kirk Roy From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Boots Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19981203115323.007ed910@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:16 PM 12/3/98 -0500, Kirk Roy wrote: >for anyone willing to spend a bit more money, the BMW boots ($280) are >great. FYI, Bob's has them on sale this month (http://www.bmwbobs.com). I've been eyeing them as well. Last year I almost bought a pair, but wound up buying a pair of Totes motorcycle overboots instead for about $12. Harry From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 15:48:10 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25934 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13041; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:47:15 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC7E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'John Newman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speaking of bikes for sale.. Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:47:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain On Thursday, December 03, 1998 3:44 PM, John Newman [SMTP:jnewman@XXXXXX] wrote: > Speaking of bikes for sale... I have had my eye on one f these for a > long time.....( dream on.....) > > Doesn't one of our fellow listers have one of these? > > Collin- who was that riding with you after the group ride on the > RS250 the other day? > > 10k > or > 9k without street parts > > Bike is amazingly nimble and quick. > that would be Dr. John Koh... very nice guy..very Fing awesome bike.. However, the one for sale above is waaaay overpriced... You can get a brand new one in street trim for around 6500 or so if ya know where to shop... If I had money, I'd get one of these little beasties too... great fun. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 16:03:36 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26242 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14582 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:04:50 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC80@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Bicycle computers Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:04:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain For anyone interested, a new bike shop opening up near Bailey's Crossroads called Performance Bicycles is having a grand opening from today through the 6th. A buddy reports that they have Sigma BC-1100 bike computers for 19.99! I'll be picking one or two up to throw on the motorcycle.... Collin From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 16:24:00 1998 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26646 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:19:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Bicycle computers Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:19:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > From: Fagan, Collin LT [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > > For anyone interested, a new bike shop opening up near Bailey's > Crossroads > called Performance Bicycles is having a grand opening from today > through the > 6th. > A buddy reports that they have Sigma BC-1100 bike computers for 19.99! > I'll be picking one or two up to throw on the motorcycle.... > > Collin > So, what would a bike computer do for me? True mph, I suppose, but what else? -Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 16:48:05 1998 Return-Path: lstansbu@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27179 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:47:53 -0500 (EST) From: lstansbu@XXXXXX Received: from LOCALNAME (client-151-196-125-161.bellatlantic.net [151.196.125.161]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA28651; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:46:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3667263D.7DB4@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:01:01 -0800 Reply-To: lstansbu@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: balt.cycles@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: CLEANING MOTORCYLE GAS TANKS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks. Sent a message earlier about the HONDA FROM HELL. Found out the problem with running was the carbs are stopped up. Got that figured out, now how do I clean the garbage from inside the fuel tank. (loaded with crud). I already have the tank removed and stripped (looking for someone who can paint the tank) How do I clean the inside of the tank b-4 I send out to paint? I have a gallon of Muritec acid. Would this work? How do I use it, how long do I leave it in etc? Can anyone help me? Anxiously waiting to hear from someone who is in the "know". Thanks. Les Stansbury lstansbu@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 16:48:49 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27185 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11346 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:48:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199812032148.QAA11346@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:48:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Updated Member Listing Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) I set up the form to have a "new record" and "update" selection. If you need to update your info, please select "update" and only fill in your name, and whatever you want changed... leave the other fields blank. That will help me out a lot! Thanks! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 17:00:42 1998 Return-Path: lstansbu@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27478 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:00:40 -0500 (EST) From: lstansbu@XXXXXX Received: from LOCALNAME (client-151-196-125-161.bellatlantic.net [151.196.125.161]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA02352; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:00:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366729EC.1A12@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:16:44 -0800 Reply-To: lstansbu@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: CLEANING MOTORCYCLE FUEL TANKS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. Sent a message a few weeks ago about my HONDA FROM HELL. Seems the carbs are stopped up. Received several return messages telling me how to fix, or offering to help. THANKS AGAIN. Now, I have discovered the culprit to the carb problem. Pulled the fuel tank to prepare to have painted (anyone know who could do this?) and I was amazed how much "crud" is in the tank. Drained out the excess fuel and tried washing out with a garden hose, but cant get it all removed. I have a gallon of Muritec acid. Would this disolve the crud and allow it to be flushed out? If so, how do I use this acid and how do I clean it out of the tank when I am finished? I thought I saw on DC Cycles where someone mentioned using the Muritec acid and then someone else said no. Does anyone know, and how can I nutralize this when I am finished? Waiting anxiously to hear from someone in the "know" who can help. Thanks. Les Stansbury Ft. Smallwood Rd. Pasadena, Md. lstansbu@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 17:19:24 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27833 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zlh5Q-0001Zh-00; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:19:00 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:17:35 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DCA1F56@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Harley Barbie Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:15:38 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone seen the new redheaded Harley Barbie? Someone told me it's a dead ringer for me (?) - Jeannette (too bad I don't ride a Harley!) LOL From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 17:32:07 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28105 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19229 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:32:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:32:01 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Bicycle computers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Mark Petty wrote: > So, what would a bike computer do for me? True mph, I suppose, but what > else? A second trip meter (and an accurate one to boot, assuming you take the time to make it accurate), max speed (man, I never even got past 36.2 mph on the beltway this morning), avg speed, etc. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 17:51:10 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28493 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA05533 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:50:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981203222156.CGBH13094@toddnt> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:21:56 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: Katana 600 1993 picture needed. Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:23:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be1f0b$81ad4470$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 RESPOND TO ROBERT, NOT ME....Thank you > > I am in need (fairly quickly) of a picture, brochure, etc of a 1993 Suzuki > Katana 600. This is for a legal matter (not my own, not from > Friday's ride) > in which the year and specific bike is important. I've been all over the > internet and can't find a 1993. > > Anyone who can help me with this I'd definitely buy lunch at the > next trough > run for! > > Thanks up front. > Robert E. Lee > 703-714-7486 work > rlee@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 17:53:50 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28511 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA11901 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981203222529.CHBB13094@toddnt> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:25:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: In Search of Tool(s) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:26:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be1f0c$004ac000$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 My little baby'ceptor (VF500F) requires an 8mm deep offset box end wrench to turn the locking nuts for a valve adjustment. Further, what SHOULD be a screw (for the adjustment) is a strange squared off bit that (according to Honda) requires a special 'VALVE ADJUSTING WRENCH'. I think I can get around the 'VALVE ADJUSTING WRENCH', but I was wondering if someone has the deep offset box end wrench I can borrow. I dropped by Sears last night....no go for Craftsman. TIA, Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 18:06:39 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA28768 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:08:35 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:08:27 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 19:05:09 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: Harley Barbie -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline No, they all been snapped up! Joe >>> "O'Brien, Jeannette" - 12/3/98 5:15 PM >>> Anyone seen the new redheaded Harley Barbie? Someone told me it's a dead ringer for me (?) - Jeannette (too bad I don't ride a Harley!) LOL From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 18:42:02 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29303 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:42:00 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr32-dialup35.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.74.227]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F3E00M84XOB0M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:38:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:40:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Battley's open house To: George Howell , "'dc'" Message-id: <014e01be1f16$4451b6a0$e34a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Doesn't that kind of bore give you a porous cylinder? How thick is that >sucker? (or is it one of those deals where it's the same cylinder used on a >bigger bike?) >-George Howell ?? The cylinder is re-sleeved with a cast iron jobby and then bored to fit the 0.050" bigger piston. That's it, just made turned the bike from a 125cc to about a 150cc. The sleeves on those little single cylinder 2 strokes are pretty thick. Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 18:56:53 1998 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29550 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-187-108.s108.tnt18.brd.erols.com [207.172.187.108]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04675 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:00:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Electrical woes Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:56:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001901be1f18$9cb471a0$903caccf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I am still bikeless - it's been in the shop for the last 13 days and I'm a little antsy. Manassas Honda says they haven't found any problem with the charging system and it's even got the old battery in it. I've run out of ideas and it looks like I'm going to pick it up tomorrow or Saturday (assuming they get other parts in) and I'll ride it, but I sure will be nervous. It's run the battery down twice. Anyone have any suggestions besides keeping my cell phone charged? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 19:00:55 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29732 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-19.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.60]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA00975 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:00:43 -0500 Message-ID: <04cd01be1f18$de9c1640$4a10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Boots Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:57:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Four months on and I love my Motoport Miamis. (Platonically, any wiseguys, and at risk for a premature judgment -- I've lived through a lot of footwear.) They are pliable, padded, comfortable, easy to engage (velcro) and they still have a musky leather scent and zip upperwear (see caveat). I have confidence that they will protect me up to around my calf. They are kinda stylish, with a polishable toe, and (with drugstore insoles) I find they can be walked longer distances. No problems *yet* with either heat or cold. This from an urban/cruiser type -- lots of walking/standing/sitting /(hey -- even dancing) mixed with cruising. The caveat is that the sole seemed worn to less then than my requirement in 3 months, and I'm not a footdragger. Along with visibility, foot traction is a top priority for me having experienced some almost ooopses on oil-glazed toll lanes and leaf/sand parking. Sooo - replaced the soles a month ago with Goodyear Vibram soles ($40) which have on past boots kept gripping and gripping and gripping . . .. (Have seen no other soles that could match.) This written while coddled in Miamis. (And in ice and snow their use could contine as walkers.) With Colemans having a sale . . .. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 4K -- ready for highway pegs Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> >On 3 Dec 98, at 10:32, Marc Cronan wrote: > >> Ok, I've been a voyeur long enough and am jumping into the fray with a >> "newbie" question. Can anyone recommend a good pair of sport boots that >> are comfortable enough to walk around in as well as functional enough to >> ride in? I've been looking through the catalogs and I can't decide. It >> doesn't make it any easier that I can't try them on either. Like to keep >> it below $150. Please let me know. > >I have a pair of Motoport Miami boots. Cost about $150, and I wear >them at work all day (when I ride). I found that Motoport stuff isn't >really discounted much mail order, and bought mine at (cough!) >Colemans. > >Anita > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 20:21:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01226 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05244 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA17821 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:21:46 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr32-dialup35.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.74.227]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33510) with SMTP id <0F3F008P92DPU3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:20:23 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:21:40 -0500 Subject: Re: out of the woods....... To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <016601be1f24$76e8bb00$e34a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >And again, Dawn decides to take a potshot at me. Pretty standard procedure >aint it Dawn? Pulled you out of the closet didn't I. Can you say squid bait? Oh, and read the name at the end of the message, not the email addy. My fiance has never signed her name to any message to you or the list. I'm sure YOUR name is Wanta, like wanta have an iq higher than the number of times you when down on your crumpled bike. >Id really like to hear you say that you have never >crashed... I have never crashed......... on a street bike. Never said I won't, I'm sure it'll happen some day. >please lie to me Dawn. Its so funny how people sit around and rag >on others for crashing but it happens and we all know this, right Dawn? No, I just rag on people who wreck and blame everything in the world but themselves. Hmm, you're name comes to mind. "The 4Runner ran me off the road when I was trying to pass it on a single lane exit ramp". "the guy infront of me just stopped and I happened to brake on a manhole, slid and hit him. Why did he hit his brakes when I was so close behind him". >Oh yeah Dawn, it was funny how you were talking all that shit until I shut you up >with my email about your jealousy. Remember that one? Im sure you do. Yeah, if you were somewhat intelligent, you would realize that I spared the list from your idiotic rambling and close-minded spouting of the ass about what you think about everthing and everyone. For some reason you think you are the best rider, you have the best bike, etc.. Talk about jealousy, you sounded pretty jealous about the VTR. I can talk shit all day long, anyone that knows me can confer. I spared you from an ass whipping boy, be happy I left you alone when I did. >And what is this "never do what you say"? Are you my mother or something? DO >I EVEN KNOW YOU? Hell, I dont think Ive ever even ridden with you! Oh thank God, I don't plan on ever being around you on 2 wheels. If I am, I'll make sure you have proper insurance coverage so if you run into me, I can sue your sorry ass. >I got an idea Dawn, hows about you jump out on the track this spring with your FZR and "show me how its done". Sound like a plan? Look forward to seeing ya out there. Oh yeah, and try to stay out of my way OK? Thanks, I knew you would understand... Please, someone let me borrow a set of leathers!! I'm sure Brian and Collin can help me saftey wire my bike. I'd have too much fun. You'd be air lifted to the nearest hospital. You really think your fast, how sad. Your reckless, not fast. I can't wait to see you get out on the track, I'll be sure to bring a camera and take pics of the carnage. I'm going to make sure I corner work at turn 1 so I can see you barrel down the straight(if you can make it out of 10 upright) and try and make a turn under hard braking from top speed. It will be very entertaining, to say the least. You shouldn't make public where you are going to be, I know more than enough people who can't wait to actually see you bouncing off the pavement. >PS- FYI, the only times I have crashed because of my own actions were when I >was pushing the limits...since Im sure you cant push *any* limits maybe you >CAN say you havent crashed. This makes me laugh louder than anything. Pushing your limits means what? That's another excuse for wrecking. If you knew where your limit was, you would know when to back off. This means you can't ride. Your not aware of your own limit, you're not intelligent enough to figure out that pushing your limits on a public road means staying on 2 wheels with enough in reserve in your limit for unknown circumstances. Again, dangerous, stupid, and unaware of your own mistakes. Ride and learn, you just ride. That's my problem, you don't look at yourself and figure out what you are doing wrong. That goes for your mouth as well. You're one of those people who never does anything wrong, it's always someone else's fault. You kill me, I read all your posts and just laugh(and not alone). I pick on you because your an idiot. I have fun seeing what you will say next. I don't take you serious enough to kick your skinny, immature little ass. If I did, your jaw would still be wired because I would have done it at the party. Look at yourself and figure out why people don't like you. Maybe I'm asking too much. You can teach a dog to shit, but can you teach it to wipe its ass? Hopeless....... Jon "flinging doo doo again" From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 20:33:55 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01388 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:33:53 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr32-dialup35.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.74.227]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F3F007JW2SMHH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:29:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:30:36 -0500 Subject: Re: The last of the *hecklers*... To: dc-cycles Message-id: <016d01be1f25$c77d9620$e34a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal > Bad idea.I think he'd learn much more from watching Collin or Brian.Although >you could teach him the proper way to crash. Already have and will when we ride some more. I don't want to learn how to crash, however, I've seen enough of that this summer. >> Your mom not like you or something naming you Dawn? Jeez... > > Tsk,tsk.Resorting to personal attacks again,Jack?How do you know his father >didn't name him?And I believe his name is Jon(Dawn's his family name). No no no, me and my fiance share an email account. Sorry, I'm not a computer geek, I only have online access at home. Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 20:56:47 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01756 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.65] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA00127; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:59:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001701be1f29$5f122f20$4173c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Linda Tanner" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: Electrical woes Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:56:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 FWIW, if it was me, I'd put a battery in it. Just because. Assuming the present battery isn't new. Then, unfortunately, the only thing to do is ride it and see if it happens again. :( Bruce >I am still bikeless - it's been in the shop for the last 13 days and I'm a >little antsy. Manassas Honda says they haven't found any problem with the >charging system and it's even got the old battery in it. I've run out of >ideas and it looks like I'm going to pick it up tomorrow or Saturday >(assuming they get other parts in) and I'll ride it, but I sure will be >nervous. It's run the battery down twice. > >Anyone have any suggestions besides keeping my cell phone charged? > > >LindaT. >95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 21:05:59 1998 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01993 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-187-108.s108.tnt18.brd.erols.com [207.172.187.108]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12047 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:09:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Electrical woes Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:05:47 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01be1f2a$9c0344e0$903caccf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001701be1f29$5f122f20$4173c3d0@bruce> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I had a two week old battery in it when it died the first time. Re-charged the old still good battery and it died the second time. Push started it and rode it home like bat out of Hell. Let it sit for a week and it started just fine and I rode it to the bike shop. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Norton [mailto:bnorton@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 03, 1998 8:57 PM To: Linda Tanner; DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Electrical woes FWIW, if it was me, I'd put a battery in it. Just because. Assuming the present battery isn't new. Then, unfortunately, the only thing to do is ride it and see if it happens again. :( Bruce From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 21:09:48 1998 Return-Path: nohd@XXXXXX Received: from dol.net (mail.dol.net [204.183.91.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02026 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:09:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3667698F.505E7F82@dol.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:48:15 -0800 From: Wayne Graybeal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lstansbu@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CLEANING MOTORCYCLE FUEL TANKS References: <366729EC.1A12@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. I've heard that a good way to clean a fuel tank is to put some gas in it and then some nuts and bolts. then roll it around so the edges of the hardware scrapes off the corrosion. Do not shake. When you feel this has done a fair job, follow up with Kreem. Remember to dispose of the gas in a safe manner. Make sure you replace the screen on the petcock regardless of whether or not you removed it before the process. Hope this helps Wayne keep the rubber side down lstansbu@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello. Sent a message a few weeks ago about my HONDA FROM HELL. Seems > the carbs are stopped up. Received several return messages telling me > how to fix, or offering to help. THANKS AGAIN. Now, I have discovered > the culprit to the carb problem. Pulled the fuel tank to prepare to > have painted (anyone know who could do this?) and I was amazed how much > "crud" is in the tank. Drained out the excess fuel and tried washing > out with a garden hose, but cant get it all removed. I have a gallon of > Muritec acid. Would this disolve the crud and allow it to be flushed > out? If so, how do I use this acid and how do I clean it out of the > tank when I am finished? I thought I saw on DC Cycles where someone > mentioned using the Muritec acid and then someone else said no. Does > anyone know, and how can I nutralize this when I am finished? Waiting > anxiously to hear from someone in the "know" who can help. Thanks. > Les Stansbury > Ft. Smallwood Rd. > Pasadena, Md. > lstansbu@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 21:21:17 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02328 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA06776 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust011.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.11]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA28710; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:21:08 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981204021809.006dc7c0@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 21:18:09 -0500 To: Mark Petty , "'dc'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Bicycle computers Collin reported: >> A buddy reports that they have Sigma BC-1100 bike computers for 19.99! >> I'll be picking one or two up to throw on the motorcycle.... >> Mark Petty wrote: >So, what would a bike computer do for me? True mph, I suppose, but what >else? > True mph is nice, recalibrating for different tires is possible. Top speed, average speed, another trip meter, a stop watch, lap times (if you can reach down and punch the button while riding.) They are nice to have if you want to keep track of time and distance. They aren't lighted though, so using one at night is sometimes difficult. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 3 23:27:14 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA04398 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA24457 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:27:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:27:08 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Good riding principles - The Pace Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Someone thought it'd be a good idea to post this address so here it is: http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/philosophy.htm It's a page for a rally I'm setting up but the important part of it is an article on good riding principles. It's a bit sport oriented but has a lot of ideas that can be applied to anyone's riding style. Oh, if you've got a HawkGT the rally may be interesting to you. It's still a few months off but... If you don't have a HawkGT the rally has nothing to offer you (just some sucky NC/GA mountain roads). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 00:03:11 1998 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA04999 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA11312; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:03:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:03:22 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Linda Tanner cc: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Electrical woes In-Reply-To: <001901be1f18$9cb471a0$903caccf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If it's an intermittent electrical problem, you probably won't track it down while everything is working. You might consider some of the following: (1) wire in a voltmeter and/or ammeter so that you can monitor the charging system while you're riding. (2) carry a spare battery. The sealed type are leakproof (more or less), but expensive. (3) If you think the charging system has stopped working, pull the headlight fuse (not at night), don't use the horn (yell), electric starter (push), or turn signals (hand signal), and get to a place you can charge the battery. You can ride for hours on battery power if the ignition is the only drain. --garcia On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Linda Tanner wrote: > I am still bikeless - it's been in the shop for the last 13 days and I'm a > little antsy. Manassas Honda says they haven't found any problem with the > charging system and it's even got the old battery in it. I've run out of > ideas and it looks like I'm going to pick it up tomorrow or Saturday > (assuming they get other parts in) and I'll ride it, but I sure will be > nervous. It's run the battery down twice. > > Anyone have any suggestions besides keeping my cell phone charged? > > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 00:04:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05012 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07801 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA22122 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA09785 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:01:07 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, , Subject: RE: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be1f43$90c2ada0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199812031605.LAA06189@radagast.wizard.net> > > A 'me too' sent to two people, an entire mailing list, and quoting the > > original? Good way to conserve bandwidth. > > No offense, George, but you just did essentially the same thing! None taken. OTOH, I never complained about wasting bandwidth. When's the last time someone had to pay per mail or pay per byte? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 00:04:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05015 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07804 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA22126 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:01:10 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "SCOTT Rush" Subject: RE: Boots Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be1f43$9287dd40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: > I just replaced my boots with a set of Alpinestars GPS boots. > They're really comfortable but, I think they were over $150 but > NOT over $200. I used to have a pair of Alpinestars Circus > boots. Man, I loved those boots. They now have a quarter sized > hole in them. :-( That kinda cuts down on their waterproofing > ability. :-) Bought 'em from Springfield Cycle Sport. Where are the holes? Someplace from flex wear, or touching tarmac? How come you didn't go for another pair of the Circus boots? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 00:04:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05018 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07807 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA22130 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:01:12 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Dale Horstman" Subject: RE: more hacklers.... Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be1f43$937a7aa0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3666C1B4.5E9C9A5D@tidalwave.net> I think we should test this. Think Collin will crash this weekend so we can find out whether or not we'll heckle him next week? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 00:14:21 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05286 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:01:14 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Mark Petty" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Bicycle computers Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be1f43$953faa40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Average speed, another trip odometer, length of trip (in time), top speed. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 00:14:22 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05288 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:01:16 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: CLEANING MOTORCYLE GAS TANKS Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be1f43$9610b5e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3667263D.7DB4@bellatlantic.net> The muriatic acid will work. Not sure of the strength, but when I cleaned up some minor rust in a Nighthawk tank, I used 20% cut about 1 part acid with 6 or 7 parts water. And it still sizzled when it hit the tank. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 00:14:27 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05292 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:01:13 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "SCOTT Rush" Cc: Subject: RE: Friday Ride Recap Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be1f43$944d0ce0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3666DFD3.ECDB3A8@tidalwave.net> > > when your are being tested or graded your anxiety level skyrockets > > and you screw up. You could do everything perfect until you have to > > take a test on it. > > Hmm. I guess I don't understand why someone with this > problem would take up motorcycling as a hobby, then. I'd > worry about being "tested" by the next set of corners, and > being "graded" on a pretty steep curve. Pun intended. :( Don't know about Scott, but my brother does just fine on his own. It's when he has to live up to the expectations of others that trouble arises. It's a really PITA for him as far as school is concerned also, BTW. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 00:14:24 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05290 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:01:05 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: RE: help, bike keeps stalling -Reply Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:04:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be1f43$8fd01040$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3666B4A3.D4C9D6DF@tidalwave.net> > Not really overextended, but I just can't see pissing good money > away for more expensive gas that I don't need. I don't believe > the gas company's hype about premium gas, and I'm saving money. Guess it depends on the bike. FWIW, I'm with you to a certain extent: I don't believe the gas companies. But, when a bike is designed to use the higher quality gas, I use it. The wing calls for 86, and runs fine. The Kawi calls for 91, and isn't happy without it. Due to the cost of new engine parts on the BMW, I ain't gonna find out what it does without 89. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 00:43:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05855 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08291 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:43:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA22821 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (root@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130] (may be forged)) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA10089 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:43:09 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA05045; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:37:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812040537.AAA05045@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) To: ghowell@XXXXXX (George Howell) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:37:06 -0500 (EST) Cc: 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SRUSH@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000301be1f43$90c2ada0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> from "George Howell" at Dec 4, 98 00:04:26 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > > original? Good way to conserve bandwidth. > > > > No offense, George, but you just did essentially the same thing! > > None taken. OTOH, I never complained about wasting bandwidth. When's the > last time someone had to pay per mail or pay per byte? > Me. Today. ISDN is a measured service. You send unnecessay junk, I have to stay on-line longer. Me. Couple days ago calling via 1-800 service from hotel room. Getting extremly p%^&* because someone decided that posting uu-encoded .exe file to a list is great idea... NOT !! ( Bloody hotel had an old PBX and best I got was 9600. Now imagine downloading this generous attachment at 9600....) And since you worded your question quite broadly, consider your assumption invalidated. > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 01:13:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA06334 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08576 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA23211 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10284 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 01:09:59 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" Cc: Subject: RE: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:13:19 -0500 Message-ID: <004201be1f4d$304629c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199812040537.AAA05045@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> > And since you worded your question quite broadly, consider your > assumption invalidated. I didn't make any assumptions. I asked a question. Or I didn't ask a question, but made an assumption. But, I will say that I wasn't aware than anyone was still paying for bandwidth. And if we wanted to get into it, I'd question whether we should act like our gov't reps and legislate to the least common denominator, or let the market handle it. But I think that makes my point, and (as you can see) I usually do trim my posts. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 01:25:42 1998 Return-Path: robmoody@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA06497 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from wotan ([12.68.65.63]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981204062508.SLTV1088@wotan> for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:25:08 +0000 From: "Robert L Moody" To: "DC Cycles Submit" Subject: Gravel Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:25:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be1f4e$f5688350$01010101@wotan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 There are two kinds of motorcycle riders around Those who 'have' and those who 'will' go down Hindsight is 20/20 and judgements easy to say His misfortune will be one of ours someday Blaming and accusing lead nowhere Better to express how much we care And accept that as we continue to travel We will all finally hit a little gravel The gravel was there by the historic site Medics pointed it out to me, off to the right I've taken both the inside and the outside line I missed the gravel that day but next time . . . From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 01:35:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA06747 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08749 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA23444 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:35:27 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UJNCa19904 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:34:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:34:48 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: This thread still?Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I can't believe this thread is still going! Or has it branched off so far that nobody knows what anybody is talking about? Sheesh. I thought this list was about motorcycles, not egos and accusations. Am I wrong? Does everyone here have something to prove? Can we get back to talks about motorcycles and related stuff, or are we all gonna stand around and kick sand, point fingers, make accusations and exchange insults? To come home after a long day and face over 50 messages with the same title from YESTERDAY is a bit ridiculous! Flame wars around here really seem to be getting outa hand. Get over it and lets move on. If you want to make insults, etc. do you mind doing it offlist? Thanks. Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 02:04:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA07358 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09132 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA23789 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 02:00:43 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: This thread still?Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:03:04 -0500 Message-ID: <004301be1f54$235d8d00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: > I thought > this list was > about motorcycles, not egos and accusations. There's a difference?? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 02:05:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA07501 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09153 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:05:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA23813 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 02:01:13 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: This thread still?Re: The last of the haclers( please no more friday ride stuff) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:04:33 -0500 Message-ID: <004401be1f54$583477a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: > I thought > this list was > about motorcycles, not egos and accusations. There's a difference?? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 02:32:05 1998 Return-Path: Alpha@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA08435 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:32:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dynamics ([209.12.221.29]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 284 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:30:34 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:29:48 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE1F2D.F6E22E00.Alpha@tidalwave.net> From: Alpha To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: ZX-6... Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:29:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 21 TEXT >Maybe you should go get a ZX-6.... E.... or take a year off and try again... >try all of your options and see what works for you... obviously motorcycles >aren't what you need right now.... Hey! I resent that! I don't care about who the guy you're talking about is, but telling him to go get a ZX-6E and making it seem like that bike is, well not up to the muster thats just wrong..... I happen to like the ZX-6 The E and the R. The ZX-6E is awesome for touring... And the ZX-6R can spank the F3 on the track! And if you have to know, YES I am a Kawasaki loyalist... Well thanks for putting up with me... Later Joe '89 EX 500 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 03:06:24 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA09011 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 03:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA19792; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:05:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from am4-45.martinsburg-wv.mountain.net(198.77.15.194) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019787; Fri Dec 4 02:05:41 1998 Message-ID: <002b01be1f5c$8992bca0$c20f4dc6@oemcomputer> From: "Ken" To: "Linda Tanner" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Electrical woes Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:58:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Stop by ArlingtonElectronic Wholesalers, and pick uo a small leadacid = battery, not much bigger than two buttersticks. Charge it, stuff it = anywhere and run some alligator clips to it clips to attach and = supplement what you ave ontheir now. It should be unough to get a few = quick shots off anyway Small 5 and 1o AH batteries are cheap, amd you = can come up with lots of other uses. Camping light, tv, radio, fpr = thosr without Gold Wings heh;) Good Luck.... HDKnight 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Linda Tanner To: DC-CYCLES Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 7:10 PM Subject: Electrical woes >I am still bikeless - it's been in the shop for the last 13 days and = I'm a >little antsy. Manassas Honda says they haven't found any problem with = the >charging system and it's even got the old battery in it. I've run out = of >ideas and it looks like I'm going to pick it up tomorrow or Saturday >(assuming they get other parts in) and I'll ride it, but I sure will be >nervous. It's run the battery down twice. > >Anyone have any suggestions besides keeping my cell phone charged? > > >LindaT. >95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 06:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA12090 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:22:12 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1ELBa28824; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:21:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2ef52ab5.3667c5c1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:21:37 EST To: bnorton@XXXXXX, ljtanner@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Electrical woes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/3/98 9:03:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, bnorton@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone have any suggestions besides keeping my cell phone charged? >> Linda, I would disconnect and physically remove all non-stock wiring you have on the bike. Then I would test ride. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 06:57:41 1998 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA12624 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:57:39 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UJQHa17656; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:56:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2ef519cd.3667cdf8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:56:40 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Wishn4him@XXXXXX, POSTMAN28M@XXXXXX, Voxreri@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, HOGWILDX2@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, KIRKAREED@XXXXXX, JFitzge669@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Livinlif41@XXXXXX, Rev009@XXXXXX, SassyJazz@XXXXXX, PSYCHONORD@XXXXXX, Spitsucran@XXXXXX, BDboy96@XXXXXX, Edina5@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, RGReaper@XXXXXX, Emperado55@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, dave.aultman@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, MCF007@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, JayneT98@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, LgOvrLethr@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **C & C OPEN HOUSE--AN AA CTY MEMBER** Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_912772601_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_912772601_boundary Content-ID: <0_912772601@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII THIS IS A MUST SEE EVENT... IT'S IN OUR OWN BACKYARD FOLKS!!! MNicastri@XXXXXX (Nicastri, Margaret) << The closest intersection is Route 450 and Route 301 (where Jaspers is on the corner) - take Route 450 toward Annapolis. Take the first right at the light (Priest Bridge Road) - go to 3rd driveway on left (across from Crofton Bowling Alley) and take a left into the 3rd driveway (there will be a brick wall that says Priest Bridge Buildings 2125). We are the 4th office suite located at the building right in front of you ---address 2125-19 Baldwin Avenue. We have a 3500 sq ft shop complete with lots of chrome parts, leather, jewelry, etc. I am closing out about 10 of the cheaper line of coats since most of my customers like the Hein Gerecke-First Gear line. We will have hot dogs, BBQ, sodas and cookies and the open house is from 10-4 on Sat. We will be there at 7AM if you want to come early!! >> --part0_912772601_boundary Content-ID: <0_912772601@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (rly-zd05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.229]) by air-zd02.mail.aol.com (v51.29) with SMTP; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:04:24 -0500 Received: from aiscomm.aisusa.com ([38.179.206.2]) by rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id JAA26064 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by AISCOMM with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:04:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Nicastri, Margaret" To: "'LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: **DECEMBER BIKE BASH(ES)** Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:04:29 -0500 Return-Receipt-To: "Nicastri, Margaret" X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The closest intersection is Route 450 and Route 301 (where Jaspers is on the corner) - take Route 450 toward Annapolis. Take the first right at the light (Priest Bridge Road) - go to 3rd driveway on left (across from Crofton Bowling Alley) and take a left into the 3rd driveway (there will be a brick wall that says Priest Bridge Buildings 2125). We are the 4th office suite located at the building right in front of you ---address 2125-19 Baldwin Avenue. We have a 3500 sq ft shop complete with lots of chrome parts, leather, jewelry, etc. I am closing out about 10 of the cheaper line of coats since most of my customers like the Hein Gerecke-First Gear line. We will have hot dogs, BBQ, sodas and cookies and the open house is from 10-4 on Sat. We will be there at 7AM if you want to come early!! > -----Original Message----- > From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX [SMTP:LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 7:22 PM > To: MNicastri@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: **DECEMBER BIKE BASH(ES)** > > I'm going to be in Hagerstown! Aagh! Margaret, I can't begin to tell you > how > upset I am that I wiped out my hard drive of emails and along with it, the > directions to your place from Annapolis. Can you forward them to me > again. > I've had a couple of people ask me and I've been giving them your email > address. But it's good for me to have them just in case. Thanks so > much!! --part0_912772601_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 07:33:28 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA13168 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A694649025E; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 07:33:24 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981204073749.00fc8100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 07:38:48 -0500 To: "DC Cycles Submit" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Gravel In-Reply-To: <000701be1f4e$f5688350$01010101@wotan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:25 AM 12/4/98 , Robert L Moody wrote: >And accept that as we continue to travel >We will all finally hit a little gravel > ... >I've taken both the inside and the outside line >I missed the gravel that day but next time . . . So any gravel in the turn is a guaranteed wreck?, or is there something riders can do to avoid or to compensate for loss of traction in a turn? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 07:33:28 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA13167 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A693649025E; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 07:33:23 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981204073407.00fca080@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 07:36:16 -0500 To: Linda Tanner From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Electrical woes Cc: DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: References: <001901be1f18$9cb471a0$903caccf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:03 AM 12/4/98 , Garcia Oliver wrote: >If it's an intermittent electrical problem, you probably won't track it >down while everything is working. > >You might consider some of the following: (1) wire in a voltmeter and/or >ammeter so that you can monitor the charging system while you're riding. Good idea. I used that once when I suspected my coils were not always getting a full 12 volts due to bad connections. I ran a wire from the coils up to the handlebars, and bungee'd a small multi-meter so I could monitor voltage when I rode. I confirmed that voltage was not the problem. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 07:56:57 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13532 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:56:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812041256.HAA13532@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 04:56:42 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Gravel Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 04:51:40 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Obviously, the answer is no.. gravel in a corner doesn't guarantee a wreck.. but it elevates the likeliness.. To compensate for the sudden loss in traction - there's only one thing I know of.. EXPERIENCE - riding in the rain is a GREAT place to start.. riding on cold streets, dirtbiking (or anything on the dirt).. that'll all give you experience with rear-wheel loss of traction.. simple to learn.. to learn front wheel slides, you're gonna have to crash (usually), or take it to the track and get the bike to the point of sliding, but not crashing.. Can be done.. by good riders.. > -----Original Message----- > > > So any gravel in the turn is a guaranteed wreck?, or is there > something > riders can do to avoid or to compensate for loss of traction > in a turn? From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 08:09:26 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA13761 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AF0299F0214; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:09:22 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981204074247.00fcd060@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 07:43:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Fwd: BMW: Kelley Blue Book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" lelley Blue Book MC retail and wholesale prices on line at http://www.kbb.com Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 08:17:52 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13929 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s27.wizard.net (tc1-s27.wizard.net [206.161.15.57]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02011 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:17:56 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New & Improved Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:25:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3668e10c.124727666@smtp.wizard.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I found out that either FrontPage98 is very easy to use, or I'm a rocket scientist! :-) Only took me a couple hours to post all the data that people have filled out at: http://www.fill-form.com/dc-cycles into something much more attractive (and hopefully useable) at: http://www.wizard.net/~2xracers/dc-cycles.htm Other than getting FrontPage's FTP pointed to the correct place, and remembering that Unix is CASE SENSITIVE, it was pretty easy. My next step will be to make all the home page URL's and email addresses into hotlinks. Then maybe I'll work on a personal web page! :-) Let me know if you have any suggestions about the pages. I still need to adjust some of the column widths, and fix the truncated cells. Thanks! Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 08:49:51 1998 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14429 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:49:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981204135146.4207.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send205.yahoomail.com; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 05:51:46 PST Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 05:51:46 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: RE: Gravel To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > > Obviously, the answer is no.. gravel in a corner doesn't guarantee a > wreck.. but it elevates the likeliness.. Or increases off-road excursions... > > To compensate for the sudden loss in traction - <> EXPERIENCE - > front wheel slides, you're gonna crash yeah and no ability to recover from this when on the pavement... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 08:55:09 1998 Return-Path: bob_z1@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f237.hotmail.com [207.82.251.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14509 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9815 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 1998 13:54:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19981204135435.9814.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 12.79.224.35 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 05:54:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [12.79.224.35] From: "Bob S" To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CLEANING MOTORCYCLE FUEL TANKS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 05:54:35 PST > "crud" is in the tank. Drained out the excess fuel and tried >washing out with a garden hose, but cant get it all removed. I have >a gallon of Muritec acid. Would this disolve the crud and allow it >to be flushed out? muratic acid will work but will harm paint... dilute it with water, 1 part acid 3 part water. then rinse tank with acetone or alcohol to remove all traces of water. I actually prefer using pepsi or coke, sounds funny but will really clean the tank. I just always save flat leftover soda for just that purpose. fill with soda and let stand a day or so, rinse with water, then acetone. later! Bob S. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:02:19 1998 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14686 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port51.annex7.radix.net [207.226.55.51]) by mail1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA23886; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:02:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812041402.JAA23886@mail1.radix.net> X-Sender: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:06:30 -0500 To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: New & Improved In-Reply-To: <3668e10c.124727666@smtp.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_42024374==_.ALT" --=====================_42024374==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:25 AM 12/4/98 -0500, Anita Lauro wrote: >Well, I found out that either FrontPage98 is very easy to use, or I'm >a rocket scientist! :-) Only took me a couple hours to post all the >data that people have filled out. Anita, Looks great! Thanks for all the effort! Dawn Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad --=====================_42024374==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
At 08:25 AM 12/4/98 -0500, Anita Lauro wrote:

>Well, I found out that either FrontPage98 is very easy to use, or I'm
>a rocket scientist! :-)  Only took me a couple hours to post all the
>data that people have filled out.

Anita,

Looks great!  Thanks for all the effort!

Dawn

Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX
'96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad
 --=====================_42024374==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:16:52 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14970 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05892 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:18:06 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC86@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Bicycle computers Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:18:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Since a few people asked, here's the spec sheet on the BC-1100: Functions: Current speed, maximum speed, average speed, trip distance, total distance, stopwatch with auto start/stop, total ride timer (sum of trip times), clock, arrow indicating if current speed is above or below average speed, and a separate reset function for each data group. Provides cadence with optional Sigma Cadence Kit. Converts to wireless with optional RCS Wireless Kit. Basically i have several uses for a bike computer. When I someday *wink* get around to finishing one of the EX500s, I may decide to run it as a naked bike without any guages and some custom headlights. The bike computer will give me accurate speed indication so I don't get any more $200 speeding tickets (ok, well, it won't keep me from getting tickets, but at least i'll know if the copper was right or not) My other uses are for the race bike. I think it would be nifty to know what my actual top speed was out on the track. My guess is in the neighborhood of 155-160, but who knows. This particular model will also indicate lap times. i was going to buy a stopwatch and modify it so as to be connected to my horn button so I can click off lap times... Now I'll just use the bike computer for that (still have to modify the switches, but it's easy). If for some reason the bike computer can't store lap times (looks like it may not) then I'll go ahead and get a stop watch as well, but it's still a nifty gadget :) the above info came from: http://www.performancebike.com/catalog.tpl?cart=912779614245923 Collin On Thursday, December 03, 1998 4:22 PM, Michael Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] wrote: > what does a bike computer do for you? > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:21:00 1998 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15054 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id JAA02470 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id JAA02461 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id JAA15067 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from NCAIMAIL1 ([192.168.79.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id JAA15058 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:21:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812041421.JAA15058@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:18:00 -0500 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: RE: New & Improved To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME You are apparently a rocket scientist. My JOB is Information Technology, and I have had all kinds of trouble making that thing do what I want. NetObjects is much nicer IMHO. :-) Brad (Yes, I ride a MC) <--- Moto content -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 8:25 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: New & Improved ---------------------------------------------------- Well, I found out that either FrontPage98 is very easy to use, or I'm a rocket scientist! :-) Only took me a couple hours to post all the data that people have filled out at: http://www.fill-form.com/dc-cycles into something much more attractive (and hopefully useable) at: http://www.wizard.net/~2xracers/dc-cycles.htm Other than getting FrontPage's FTP pointed to the correct place, and remembering that Unix is CASE SENSITIVE, it was pretty easy. My next step will be to make all the home page URL's and email addresses into hotlinks. Then maybe I'll work on a personal web page! :-) Let me know if you have any suggestions about the pages. I still need to adjust some of the column widths, and fix the truncated cells. Thanks! Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:21:10 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15053 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:21:19 -0500 Message-ID: <36E76EA04A46D211ACD900204804F0CC99F0AC@rbmail101.chamb.disa.mil> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: The Pause that Refreshes...your engine? Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:21:14 -0500 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not to start a cola war or anything, but... I have a vague recollection of a piece by Smoky Yunick (?) many years ago in Popular Mechanics or one of the major car magazines, saying that Pepsi had been used successfully to free up a car engine that had rusted internally to the point that it couldn't move. Just poured Pepsi into it and let it sit overnight. Smoky wryly observed, "what do you think about drinking the stuff now?" Tom M. -----Original Message----- From: Bob S [mailto:bob_z1@XXXXXX] Subject: Re: CLEANING MOTORCYCLE FUEL TANKS I actually prefer using pepsi or coke, sounds funny but will really clean the tank. I just always save flat leftover soda for just that purpose. fill with soda and let stand a day or so, rinse with water, then acetone. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:24:24 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15108 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0911DDF05EA; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:24:17 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981204091357.00fc7c20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:20:57 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Gravel In-Reply-To: <19981204135146.4207.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> To compensate for the sudden loss in traction - <> EXPERIENCE - >> front wheel slides, you're gonna crash > >c j wrote: >yeah and no ability to recover from this when on the pavement... You're thinking in too limited a manner. Racers slide the front wheel all the time on pavement. I've got a picture of Freddie Spencer sliding the front wheel on pavement, and you can see the black streak it's leaving on the road. Also, twice I've managed to lock my front wheel when over-braking in a turn, and recovered both times. There's a disturbing undertone to these threads that-- 1)gravel causes unavoidable crashes 2) if something's not possible for one person then it's not possible for all people. Instead, it's better to realize you own limits, carefully ride within them, and work to expand them. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:26:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15129 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13554 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29628 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06597; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:27:33 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC89@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'George Howell'" , DC Cycles Mailing List , Dale Horstman Subject: RE: more hacklers.... Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:27:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain errr, ummm, NO :) I'll go a long way for the list, but not that far ... he he he.. On Friday, December 04, 1998 8:02 AM, George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] wrote: > I think we should test this. Think Collin will crash this weekend so we can > find out whether or not we'll heckle him next week? > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:36:21 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15444 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id JAA19559; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:36:17 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id JAA12570; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:36:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:36:16 -0500 (EST) From: TURNIP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend rides? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There was talk of rides to a couple of dealerships earlier this week (Battleys and a BMW place). Have any plans been finalized? Hugh A. Caldwell From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:45:55 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15650 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:45:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA19443; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:44:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981204144216.EYXM13094@toddnt>; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:42:16 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Garcia Oliver" , "Linda Tanner" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Electrical woes Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:43:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001101be1f94$768fa9a0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Garcia Oliver wrote: > If it's an intermittent electrical problem, you probably won't track it > down while everything is working. > > You might consider some of the following: (1) wire in a voltmeter and/or > ammeter so that you can monitor the charging system while you're riding. > > (2) carry a spare battery. The sealed type are leakproof (more or less), > but expensive. Ok then, how exactly does one go about tracking an intermittent electrical problem. Linda has described this problem to me twice and my suspicions are the same. It is intermittent. Some Thing is causing the problem. If you've seen Lindas bike you might guess the wiring for all of her gadgets has something to do with it. So before any testing happens, disconnecting the gadgets seems like a conservative first step. Lastly, though Manassas Honda is a fairly decent shop, I'm not so sure they put their heart into diagnosing this problem. Maybe an afternoon of sweeping through the electrical components that have to do with charging/ignition would turn something up. Also inspecting the wiring harness may reveal an exposed wire that may be shorting on the frame. I have a common service manual with diagnostic procedures for most components. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:46:13 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15652 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:47:35 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:47:19 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: ghowell@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Friday Ride Recap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm the exact same way. Just fine on my own but anxious when tested. Scooter >>> "George Howell" 12/04/98 12:04AM >>> > > when your are being tested or graded your anxiety level skyrockets > > and you screw up. You could do everything perfect until you have to > > take a test on it. > > Hmm. I guess I don't understand why someone with this > problem would take up motorcycling as a hobby, then. I'd > worry about being "tested" by the next set of corners, and > being "graded" on a pretty steep curve. Pun intended. :( Don't know about Scott, but my brother does just fine on his own. It's = when he has to live up to the expectations of others that trouble arises. It's = a really PITA for him as far as school is concerned also, BTW. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:46:50 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15665 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.50] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA02487 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:49:33 -0500 Message-ID: <009801be1f94$f19d6ec0$3273c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: The Pause that Refreshes...your engine? Your stomach? Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:46:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 When I was a kid, we would go to the country store and get the little 7 1/2 oz. cokes, sometimes I would get an extra, take it home, open it and put a 16 penny nail in it, let it sit overnight and the next day the nail would be gone! Talk about corrosive! Since then I've never really drank that much soda. Wonder why? >Not to start a cola war or anything, but... > >I have a vague recollection of a piece by Smoky Yunick (?) many years ago in >Popular Mechanics or one of the major car magazines, saying that Pepsi had >been used successfully to free up a car engine that had rusted internally to >the point that it couldn't move. Just poured Pepsi into it and let it sit >overnight. Smoky wryly observed, "what do you think about drinking the >stuff now?" > >Tom M. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:50:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15710 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13767 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00495 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Dec 4 08:49 CST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA27742 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:48:59 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE1F6B.4DD8D410@XXXXXX>; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:48:54 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Bob BMW New Location -- WHERE? Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:48:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone tell me precisely where the new location of BOB's is? TIA. --John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:51:33 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15767 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:51:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812041451.JAA15767@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:51:22 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Gravel Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:46:09 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > -----Original Message----- > > > You're thinking in too limited a manner. Racers slide the > front wheel all > the time on pavement. I've got a picture of Freddie Spencer > sliding the > front wheel on pavement, and you can see the black streak > it's leaving on > the road. I'm reading that you think everyone has the experience of a top level rider, on top level equipment, in a safe enviroment... A front tire slide is a LOT different on the track than it is on the street.. If you slide on the street, it's typically because of some kind of friction reducer (oil, anti-freeze, gravel, sand, wet leaves, etc..) - the slip is sudden, not gradual, it's unexpected - and I'm willing to bet that over 95% of riders don't practice locking up their front tires to see what it feels like, and know how to correct it. The ONLY reason I have is for racing.. (and on accident..) > > Also, twice I've managed to lock my front wheel when over-braking in a > turn, and recovered both times. > > You were in a commited turn, leaned over? Locked your front, and recovered?? Now, I tend to find reason to doubt this.. mostly bases on my cornerworking experience. If you're using your traction for turning, and youi touch the front brakes.. you find yourself without traction at all.. and you're on your butt sliding down the tarmac looking at the cornerworkers (I can't even begin to count the number of times I've seen this). I've lost traction on the front 3 times I can think of.. one time was infront of John Kozyns house.. big, long, nasty black mark - but I was going straight.. I about dropped the bike. Once I was coming out of a parking lot, had to stop (dumbass car at 11pm without the lights on, I value my life), I wasn't doing more than 5mph, and I went down - I was just barely leaned over for a right turn.. And the thrid time I came into a corner, saw my line had some sand in it, drifted across it, both the front and rear slid - but I was expecting it, and it wasn't on the brakes... I survived, a little rattled.. What were the specifics of your 2 insitances Chris? Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:56:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15846 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13849 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00657 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zlwew-00054N-00; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:56:42 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:55:14 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DCA1F5C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Fagan, Collin LT'" , "'George Howell'" , DC Cycles Mailing List , Dale Horstman Subject: RE: more hacklers.... Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:53:17 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Oh MAN! That was NOT nice, George! : ( - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LT [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 9:28 AM > To: 'George Howell'; DC Cycles Mailing List; Dale Horstman > Subject: RE: more hacklers.... > > errr, ummm, NO :) > I'll go a long way for the list, but not that far ... he he he.. > > > On Friday, December 04, 1998 8:02 AM, George Howell > [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > I think we should test this. Think Collin will crash this weekend so > we > can > > find out whether or not we'll heckle him next week? > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 09:57:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15928 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13856 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00661 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from HeilesenM.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil ([131.158.70.177]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA12794 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:57:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812041457.JAA12794@pop02.globecomm.net> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: NIH Ride on the 13th Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:56:11 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a short reminder in case there is any confusion. The ride to the Children's Inn at NIH is next Sunday, the 13th. I'll post about it again next week to remind everyone. Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 10:05:01 1998 Return-Path: knee@XXXXXX Received: from steinberg.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [129.2.71.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16093 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:04:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from twiddle.eng.umd.edu (twiddle.eng.umd.edu [129.2.94.141]) by steinberg.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id KAA18982; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:04:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert S. Fourney" Received: (from knee@localhost) by twiddle.eng.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.8.7) id KAA03099; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:04:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:04:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812041504.KAA03099@twiddle.eng.umd.edu> To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, bob_z1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CLEANING MOTORCYCLE FUEL TANKS If anybody wants to stop by Savage (Laurel area) and pick up a jar, I have a couple of open quarts of muratic acid I could donate portions of. It's pretty cheap anyway, but if you buy some you're stuck with the unused portion to store... The coke sounds like a good idea, how do you get the sticky gunk out of the tank after that? Bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 10:15:09 1998 Return-Path: cwb10@XXXXXX Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16362 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com([129.212.33.25]) (2169 bytes) by orpheus.amdahl.com via sendmail with P:smtp/R:match-mx-hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:11:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.102 1998-Aug-2 #1 built 1998-Aug-14) Received: from amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0zlwsw-0001B6C; Fri, 4 Dec 98 07:11 PST Message-ID: <3667FC15.C74BF307@amdahl.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 10:13:25 -0500 From: Carl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lstansbu@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CLEANING MOTORCYCLE FUEL TANKS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My suggestion is that you don't use acid on the fuel tank as it will actually eat the metal and make it thinner than it was originally. I have found that TIDE detergent works very well at cleaning out the crud and then all you have to do is rinse with some good gas and let dry. This has work for years and will NOT hurt the metal. Good luck Carl lstansbu@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello. Sent a message a few weeks ago about my HONDA FROM HELL. Seems > the carbs are stopped up. Received several return messages telling me > how to fix, or offering to help. THANKS AGAIN. Now, I have discovered > the culprit to the carb problem. Pulled the fuel tank to prepare to > have painted (anyone know who could do this?) and I was amazed how much > "crud" is in the tank. Drained out the excess fuel and tried washing > out with a garden hose, but cant get it all removed. I have a gallon of > Muritec acid. Would this disolve the crud and allow it to be flushed > out? If so, how do I use this acid and how do I clean it out of the > tank when I am finished? I thought I saw on DC Cycles where someone > mentioned using the Muritec acid and then someone else said no. Does > anyone know, and how can I nutralize this when I am finished? Waiting > anxiously to hear from someone in the "know" who can help. Thanks. > Les Stansbury > Ft. Smallwood Rd. > Pasadena, Md. > lstansbu@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 10:19:44 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16437 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14204 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01454 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 10:16:25 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Fagan, Collin LT'" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Dale Horstman" Subject: RE: more hacklers.... Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:19:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be1f99$88f27140$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DCA1F5C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> > Oh MAN! That was NOT nice, George! : ( Collin didn't seem that upset. I'm just a little disappointed that he wouldn't help us forward the frontiers of social science. Oh well. :p ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 10:22:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16564 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14241 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01524 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:22:29 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SFYa000365; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:21:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:21:46 EST To: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bob BMW New Location -- WHERE? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >Can anyone tell me precisely where the new location of BOB's is? They are still in the old store. The new building is not finished yet. It is just a block from the old place, just stay on Guildford road instead of turning on Riggs Hill road like you do now. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 10:26:29 1998 Return-Path: bob_z1@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f309.hotmail.com [207.82.251.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16646 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4080 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 1998 15:25:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19981204152529.4079.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 12.79.224.35 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 07:25:29 PST X-Originating-IP: [12.79.224.35] From: "Bob S" To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, knee@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CLEANING MOTORCYCLE FUEL TANKS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 07:25:29 PST > The coke sounds like a good >idea, how do you get the sticky gunk out of the tank after that? > doesn't really leave anything if you don't let it dry out, as soon as you are done soaking with soda flush with water and then alcohol or acetone. later! Bob S. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 10:54:10 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17487 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 387; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:47:53 -0500 Message-ID: <36680476.90D592AB@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 10:49:10 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: In Search of Tool(s) References: <000401be1f0c$004ac000$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > My little baby'ceptor (VF500F) requires an 8mm deep offset box end > wrench to turn the locking nuts for a valve adjustment. Further, > what SHOULD be a screw (for the adjustment) is a strange squared off > bit that (according to Honda) requires a special 'VALVE ADJUSTING > WRENCH'. Sigh. I hate special tools. I wish the bike manufacturers would quit doing this crap. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 10:57:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17611 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14804 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA03036 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA03657 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:53:52 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:53:52 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: New & Improved Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:57:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anita, Looking Good! - Thanks for the effort Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 11:03:30 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17730 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA04395 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:59:52 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:59:52 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: In Search of Tool(s) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:03:21 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Further, > what SHOULD be a screw (for the adjustment) is a strange squared off > bit that (according to Honda) requires a special 'VALVE ADJUSTING > WRENCH'. One of those tiny adjustable (crescent type) wrenches (key chain size) works well for turning the square end. Michael (been there) J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 11:14:48 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17962 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:14:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AA6F1B01D6; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:14:39 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981204105317.00faf3c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:07:03 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Locking the front wheel [was: Gravel] In-Reply-To: <199812041451.JAA15767@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> -----Original Message----- >> You're thinking in too limited a manner. Racers slide the >> front wheel all the time on pavement. > >At 09:46 AM 12/4/98 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >I'm reading that you think everyone has the experience of a top level rider, >on top level equipment, in a safe enviroment. You're not reading the last line of the message you excerpted - I said everyone has limits and you have to know your limits. My original comment was in reply to the rider who said that locked front wheels always result in crashes. It's not true. >> Also, twice I've managed to lock my front wheel when over-braking in a >> turn, and recovered both times. >> >You were in a commited turn, leaned over? Locked your front, and >recovered?? Now, I tend to find reason to doubt this.. mostly bases on my >cornerworking experience. If you're using your traction for turning, and >youi touch the front brakes..you find yourself without traction at all. I would never ride on the street using all my traction for turning. >What were the specifics of your 2 insitances Chris? At the moment I can't remember one, the other happened on the road to White's Ferry. As we rounded the curve in Rt. 28 where White's Ferry Road bears off, my friend in front of me pointed off to the left. I looked, expecting to see another nice scene like he'd been pointing to before - when I looked back, he had braked and moved over into my lane space -- I was about to slam into him. I braked before I straightened and heard and felt the front wheel lock. I released it immediately, but it had slowed me enough that I could swerve around my friend. As an interesting aside, at the 1990 International Motorcycle Safety Conference I met a Swiss instructor who told of locking the front wheel while straight and riding out the slide. The bike was balanced, the tire was not providing any traction, so he could move the handlebars back and forth without affecting the bike. He was a very skilled and experienced rider, and I believe he did what he said. I realize we're talking street and track here - two places where you ride very differently. My point is that there is a lot more to controlling a motorcycle than most people think. And absolute statements like locked front wheels always cause crashes are absolutely wrong. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 11:14:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17960 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15073 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA03516 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AA6A1B01D6; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:14:37 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981204105102.00faf670@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 10:52:05 -0500 To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Bob BMW New Location -- WHERE? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:48 AM 12/4/98 , Carver, John wrote: >Can anyone tell me precisely where the new location of BOB's is? TIA. >--John Not exactly, but at their website (http://www.bmwbobs.com/) they say it's "just across the road from our current location" so you should be able to find it pretty easily. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 11:54:39 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18803 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zlyUz-0005b3-00; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:54:33 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:53:05 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DCA1F68@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harley Barbie Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:51:10 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I found a pic of her! This is really weird! LOL www.classyshelties.com/Beanies/HD.jpg - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 12:19:48 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19290 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:19:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812041719.MAA19290@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:19:33 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Locking the front wheel [was: Gravel] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:14:29 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > -----Original Message----- > I realize we're talking street and track here - two places > where you ride > very differently. My point is that there is a lot more to > controlling a > motorcycle than most people think. And absolute statements > like locked > front wheels always cause crashes are absolutely wrong. > This is something I have no problems agreeing with (love the absolute statement though.. *grin*)- Personally, I don't see the possibility of braking so hard I loose traction on the street (unless there's something greatly reducing friction on the riding surface). I practice it (meaning I purposely CAUSE my front wheel to lock) so I know what it's like, and how reactions affect the bike. Alright, alright.. so some of the times I'm just attempting to burn off the rear tire a little (er.. lot) and slide the front end.. but that's practice too.. I'm not sure what Kind of practice, but it's practice (look out Gary Rothwell!!). Locking the front tire doesn't mean you'll crash, but there's a high probability (higher if you're cornering). Riding over sand/gravel won't cause you to crash, though without the experience of how to deal with that situation, you've a high probability of getting friendly with tarmac. And so on for the billion other little things out there that could cause you to fall.. You'll only learn if you try - understand what happens in which situations, and remember that - it'll come in handy... Brian (Damn, you'd think I was related to Collin with as much talking as I've done today!) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 12:21:53 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19377 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA26798 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:21:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199812041721.MAA26798@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:21:18 -0500 Subject: Charter Bus Trip to NYC Motorcycle Show Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Okay, I just put a deposit down on the bus today! I have somewhere around 35 people on my "interested list," with several of those people passing the info along to clubs. If you have already emailed me, I will be sending out payment info later today. If you are new to dc-cycles, and you are interested, drop me a line and I'll add you to my distribution list. ----------------------------------------- Date: January 16, 1999 Time: Depart DC area at 8:00 am Depart NYC at 9:00 pm (arrive back in DC area 1-2 am) Destination: Cycle World Int'l Motorcycle Show in NYC Cost: $30.00 for bus, $9.00 for show (group discount price) Who's invited: everyone, SO's, kids, friends, neighbors, coworkers, anybody with $39! :-) Method of travel: charter bus with reclining seats, bathroom, TV/VCR, etc. I will make sure that carry on food and beverages are allowed. For more info on the show: www.motorcycleshows.com For more info on the charter bus company: www.nationalcoachinc.com ------------------------------------------ Thanks for your interest, and I hope to see you on January 16th! Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 13:30:24 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20751 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:30:18 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA05372; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:30:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812041830.NAA05372@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: New & Improved To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:30:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3668e10c.124727666@smtp.wizard.net> from "Anita Lauro" at Dec 4, 98 08:25:12 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Well, I found out that either FrontPage98 is very easy to use, or I'm > a rocket scientist! :-) Only took me a couple hours to post all the nee you are an accountant :-). > data that people have filled out at: > > http://www.fill-form.com/dc-cycles > > into something much more attractive (and hopefully useable) at: > ever thought about becoming a WWW developer ? > http://www.wizard.net/~2xracers/dc-cycles.htm > > Anita > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 14:04:05 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21295 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DVM69EVH; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 14:03:09 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend rides? IMPORTANT STUFF! Message-ID: <19981130.211811.8135.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-3,12-13,18-19,24-25,33-38,40 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 14:03:09 EST On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:36:16 -0500 (EST) TURNIP writes: >There was talk of rides to a couple of dealerships earlier this week (Battleys and a >BMW place). Have any plans been finalized? I was wondering if anyone had given any serious thought to joining the Toy Run for the Salvation Army that was mentioned a week or so ago. As everyone knows, the Salvation Army is an excellent charity to which to contribute and kids love to get toys for Christmas, especially those kids who are so underpriviledged throughout the year and don't get things other children take for granted...things like three good meals a day; a nice, clean place to live; warm coats in the winter. A nice, new toy means more to these kids than any of us could probably imagine. I highly recommend this event for warming your heart. The ride is tomorrow (as long as the weather isn't hideous) and people will be meeting about 10:15 am here at the home of Bikes R Us aka Cycle Sport Unlimited in Herndon, riding to the CSU Springfield location to join those gathered there, and then riding en masse to the headquarters of the Salvation Army in Washington, DC. Downtown, you will be able to do all kinds of things you've always wanted to do, like park on the sidewalk in full view of a police officer and have him/her smile at you as you dismount. There'll be lots of bikes to scope out, lots of people to meet and greet and probably some free eats as well. I know we'll have some coffee and little munchies here also. Obviously, this must be a meaningful thing, for me to blow my cover and all. It really, really is. In my past lives, I have delivered toys to underpriveledged kids, so I have seen first hand the unbridled happiness that these kids feel when they get their new toys. For those of you that have kids, or younger siblings, or have ever been in the same room when a child has received "the" toy they have been pining for since April, imagine the reaction you witnessed and multiply it exponentially. Remember, these kids aren't used to getting much of ANYTHING. Please try to rearrange your schedule to fit this event into your day. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ps. I look forward to meeting all of you and seeing if my mental images are "on"... ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 14:43:20 1998 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21973 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:43:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981204194421.23500.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send206.yahoomail.com; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:44:21 PST Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:44:21 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: RE: Gravel To: Chris Norloff , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Chris Norloff wrote: > I've got a picture of Freddie Spencer sliding the > front wheel on pavement, and you can see the black streak it's leaving on > the road. Yes, but then again he is riding with "Slicks", The compound is much softer providing much better adhesion...and the road surface is clean. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 15:05:32 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (smtp-gw.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22429 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:05:31 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29238; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09421; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:05:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812042005.PAA09421@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Weekend rides? IMPORTANT STUFF! To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:05:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <19981130.211811.8135.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> from "bike.dealer@juno.com" at Dec 4, 98 02:03:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text As I said, I have done this ride for the past 2 years, and will be doing so again tomorrow, even though I would like to see Mort's open house. I got some cool trucks towing trailers with motorcycles for the kids. I will be at the Springfield location. I have a '98 Concours, and will be wearing a blue Aerostich Darien jacket. Since my computer at home is out of commission, I won't be on line to see any other e-mail messages, but I hope to see some of you there. Whatever you decide to do this weekend, I hope you have a great one! Louis > On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:36:16 -0500 (EST) TURNIP writes: > >There was talk of rides to a couple of dealerships earlier this week > (Battleys and a >BMW place). Have any plans been finalized? > > I was wondering if anyone had given any serious thought to joining the > Toy Run for the Salvation Army that was mentioned a week or so ago. As > everyone knows, the Salvation Army is an excellent charity to which to > contribute and kids love to get toys for Christmas, especially those kids From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 15:40:54 1998 Return-Path: MINEREG@XXXXXX Received: from PASHA.COM (pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23015 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:36:20 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:35:58 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: t-shirt orders (pretty long) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Initial responses indicated people on the list wanted a total of about 60 DC-Cycles logo t-shirts, in a mixture of sizes and colors. With this information, I shopped some local print shops and I'm ready to take orders. The heavy cotton t-shirts will use "logo 1b" at www.dc-cycles.org. It will be a two-color design (yellow "DC" and light blue "cycles" -- sorry, no gradient). You can choose a shirt color of black, dark gray or any other color without affecting cost -- but I would recommend a dark shirt because of the rider's silhouette (and please stick to the basics, not "cornflower blue" or "rider's remorse green"). The cost of each t-shirt is $10 for sizes adult S-XL. Larger t-shirts (XXL to XXXXL) are $12. Anyone who is interested (and this includes those of you who were nice enough to already give me the initial input regarding quantity, size and color), please send me a quick order specifying: a) number of shirts you want b) size of each shirt c) color of each shirt ... and a check to me (Sean Sullivan) for the total, keeping in mind the higher cost of the larger shirts. Send the orders and the checks to me at: 1813 37th St., N.W. Washington, DC 20007 Several people wanted the shirts for Christmas, so please send your checks immediately and I'll try to place an order in one week (on Fri. Dec. 11). Thanks, Sean Sullivan From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 16:14:13 1998 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23621 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:14:12 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PEMKa00365 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:13:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1605c304.3668506f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:13:19 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Harley Barbie Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I've seen it - it does look a lot like you ........................... Marcy In a message dated 12/3/98 5:31:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone seen the new redheaded Harley Barbie? Someone told me it's a dead ringer for me (?) - Jeannette (too bad I don't ride a Harley!) LOL >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 16:38:31 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24082 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:38:28 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VYVMa12612; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:32:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9550b4de.366854d9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:32:09 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sat. ride... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/4/98 11:45:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << East of us looks like Rain tomorrow.. I was curious if you'd be game for leading a smaller group (or just me even) around some of the roads by Annapolis that you were talking about. >> Well if it isn't raining, how about meeting at Borders near the intersection of 50 and 301. It is south of 50 on 301 you turn right at the Exxon Station coming from 50 or left at the Exxon coming from the South on 301. The Borders isn't visible from 301. Let's make it a late start, say 11:00. Ciao From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 16:42:33 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24169 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:42:17 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UMJHa28826; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:26:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9550b4dc.36685384@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:26:28 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Locking the front wheel [was: Gravel] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/4/98 11:23:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << realize we're talking street and track here - two places where you ride very differently. My point is that there is a lot more to controlling a motorcycle than most people think. >> In 33 years of riding I've locked my front wheel twice and didn't fall. It was when I tried to get back into racing and bought a GSXR-750 about 13 years ago. Brakes had gotten so good that I didn't realize locking your front tire under certain conditions on dry pavement was possible. After racing with drum brakes the powerful disc brake (double at that) was a revelation. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 17:09:46 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24622 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:09:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DVNHV6MZ; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:09:14 EST To: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gravel Message-ID: <19981130.225700.4623.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <19981204194421.23500.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-11,13-15 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:09:14 EST On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:44:21 -0800 (PST) c j writes: >---Chris Norloff wrote: >> I've got a picture of Freddie Spencer sliding the >> front wheel on pavement, and you can see the black streak it's >leaving on >> the road. > > >Yes, but then again he is riding with "Slicks", The compound is much >softer providing much better adhesion...and the road surface is clean. > And don't forget, Freddie Spencer and his ilk are gods, whereas most of the rest of us are merely mortals. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 19:45:00 1998 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27042 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt (207-172-53-56.s56.tnt4.brd.erols.com [207.172.53.56]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10493 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:44:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812050044.TAA10493@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: People Post Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:47:15 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know the corect invite code to enter the DC Cycles section on People Post? Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 20:38:45 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27882 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA24268 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA25008 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:37:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981204151248.FIJJ13094@toddnt> for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:12:48 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:14:04 -0500 Message-ID: <001401be1f98$baab9690$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 It's getting close to the end of the year. Have you been petting your motorcycle? Can't wait til next year. 1998 - Beautiful babes with naughty women draped over them for all you guys, and Jeannette ;) http://www.micron-exhaust.com/calendar/index.html I'm up for July, September and November. Didn't see my ST in there though :( Hopefully in 1999. T From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 23:14:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00309 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23819 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA25453 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Dec 4 23:05 EST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id XAA11116 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE1FDB.D5C4B590@XXXXXX>; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:14:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Bob's BMW Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:14:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all who were nice enough to tell me where they are now located. (Hasn't changed) I made it out there today and got my electric socket for winter. (Maybe I'll take Anita's place and make the next 3 weeks warm) :-) -John VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 4 23:31:32 1998 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f60.hotmail.com [207.82.251.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA00647 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2061 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 1998 04:30:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19981205043058.2060.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.172.147.48 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 20:30:57 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.172.147.48] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 20:30:57 PST Anyone going riding Sunday ?. Hopefully starting in MD. Dan Kenney 1997 TL1000s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 5 00:13:40 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA01291 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA29864; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:10:02 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:06:24 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Boots To: Marc Cronan cc: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" In-Reply-To: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A841A6E0C@machine01.intelx.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Marc Cronan wrote: > Ok, I've been a voyeur long enough and am jumping into the fray with a > "newbie" question. Can anyone recommend a good pair of sport boots that > are comfortable enough to walk around in as well as functional enough to > ride in? I've been looking through the catalogs and I can't decide. It > doesn't make it any easier that I can't try them on either. Like to > keep it below $150. Please let me know. How about good 'ol combat boots?$65 on base,a little more from US Cavalry or surplus stores.Drop another couple bucks for some water- proofing stuff(REI has several kinds on their site) and you're good to go. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 5 00:23:25 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA01467 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA29906; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:19:50 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:15:05 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Speaking of "dirt" bikes -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, JOE NAGY wrote: > Nice. But here's the one that gets me turgid: > http://www.lanzatech.com/customers/mule/index.html > Cooler than the Bartels models, IMO. I think the coolest I've seen was the Meittese(sp?) streetracker that was in _Classic Bikes_(Brit mag).Had a nicer looking frame than the Mule,plus it had a beefy braced sw/arm,top end suspension,and fat tires. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 5 05:43:24 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA09216 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 05:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA01182; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 05:39:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 05:32:11 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Electrical woes To: Linda Tanner cc: DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <001901be1f18$9cb471a0$903caccf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Linda Tanner wrote: > Anyone have any suggestions besides keeping my cell phone charged? Have you ever worked out the total draw of all your gadgets?Maybe you're just sucking more juice that the alt can put out. It also posible that something somewhere is shorting to ground.If the problem is intermittant,it could be somehting along the lines of a wire that's rubbing against something and had it's insulation worn off.It might be time to strip the bike down and eyeball all the wire harnesses to see if you can spot any damage.Given the amount of mileage on your bike,and the fact that it's been down a couple times and had it's bodywork on/off,it's not a stretch to think you may have damaged a wire. And it only takes one wrong ground to screw up an electrical system. After they did an upgrade on one of our RF-4C's down in Texas,it did all sorts of weird things.We called it the Unflying Dutchman.Turned out to be one ground wire that was hooked up wrong. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 5 12:38:50 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15138 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from gimerhome (max2p187.smart.net [206.97.127.187]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA21140; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001701be2076$8b56bda0$bb7f61ce@gimerhome> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "SCOTT Rush" Cc: Subject: Re: RE: Friday Ride Recap Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:41:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 I lost the message where you responded to me, so I'll make my reply here: I liken riding with someone who's unlicensed to scuba diving with someone who's uncertified. It sends a message that you're unprepared....and I don't need someone who's too lazy/unskilled to get a license riding up on me and/or taking out my rear wheel. Anybody who can study a book can pass the written test. It means nothing. Not that the riding test is tough, but at least they make you balance on two wheels. Just my .02 -- Tom Gimer -----Original Message----- From: SCOTT Rush To: ; Cc: Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 10:37 AM Subject: Re: RE: Friday Ride Recap Nope, he hasn't been getting permits that long. He used to live in Ohio and didn't bother with anything, just rode. No permit and no license. He says it's just not worth it. Go figure. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 5 17:15:33 1998 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19391 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:15:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981205221850.2151.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.194.213] by send102.yahoomail.com; Sat, 05 Dec 1998 14:18:50 PST Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:18:50 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Sunday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Any rides planned for Sunday? Where/when? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 5 18:24:36 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20370 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:24:35 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HTUVa19660; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:23:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2fa9058.3669c081@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:23:45 EST To: dankenney@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Dan and others: If you want to ride, lets's get together at Borders, just before rte. 50 on 301 turn left at the Exxon going north and right at the Exxon if you are going south after rte 50 on 301. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 6 10:06:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04950 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14324 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03061 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana ([207.172.121.132]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 342 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:05:57 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19981206100523.00bdb980@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 10:05:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: People Post Info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_568287==_.ALT" --=====================_568287==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A couple people requested a re-send of the PeoplePost info...... ================================ Return-Path: Received: from meretrix.com ([209.116.254.17]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 505 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:21:36 -0500 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06518 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14966 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mh2.cts.com (mh2.cts.com [209.68.192.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA13773 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.binarylabs.com (binary.cts.com [209.68.192.12]) by mh2.cts.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA15611 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:07:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:07:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812030407.UAA15611@mh2.cts.com> To: From: Mike Troutman Subject: Mike Troutman invites you to join PeoplePost Hello All. Testing out a new frewware software package that might be useful for the group. Its called PeoplePost and it is a lot like a virtual fridge door. You can post notes, pics, etc. I posted the software on the ftp site (ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/peoplepost.exe) This message should tell you how to join if you are interested. Mike Troutman invites you to join the PeoplePost group DC Cycles. PeoplePost is a free online service that allows you to share pictures and messages with groups of people as easily as posting notes on your refrigerator door. Don't delay! Join NOW! You are going to love it! To get started, just perform the following steps: 1. Click on the address below to download and install the PeoplePost software. http://www.PeoplePost.com/pgs/pget.htm 2. Double-click on the PeoplePost icon and follow the EASY directions to register and enter the group information below. Group Name: DC Cycles Invitation ID: 42euuv You will need the group name and invitation ID to join this PeoplePost group. Are you having technical problems? PeoplePost tech support is ready to help! Click here: http://www.peoplepost.com/pgs/psup.htm The PeoplePost Teamhttp://www.PeoplePost.com _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 In bed for the winter --=====================_568287==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" A couple people requested a re-send of the PeoplePost info......

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Hello All.
Testing out a new frewware software package that might be useful for the group. Its called PeoplePost and it is a lot like a virtual fridge door. You can post notes, pics, etc. I posted the software on the ftp site (ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/peoplepost.exe)
This message should tell you how to join if you are interested.

Mike Troutman invites you to join the PeoplePost group DC Cycles. PeoplePost is a free online service that allows you to share pictures and messages with groups of people as easily as posting notes on your refrigerator door.
Don't delay! Join NOW! You are going to love it!
To get started, just perform the following steps:
1. Click on the address below to download and install the PeoplePost software.
http://www.PeoplePost.com/pgs/pget.htm
2. Double-click on the PeoplePost icon and follow the EASY directions to register and enter the group information below.
Group Name: DC Cycles
Invitation ID: 42euuv
You will need the group name and invitation ID to join this PeoplePost group.
Are you having technical problems? PeoplePost tech support is ready to help!
Click here: http://www.peoplepost.com/pgs/psup.htm

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--=====================_568287==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 6 21:28:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14934 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23675 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA12334 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-21.s21.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.21]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25994 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:28:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366B3CB9.7B44FA43@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 21:26:01 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Anyone riding?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, i find myself in the lucky situation to be off for the next two days... anyone fell like doing some riding tomorow or the next day?? Tuesday would be best as I can go all day, tomorrow I have to be back home by around 2... On other subjects..wish people on the list would stop talking about bad thnigs like front wheel slides..must be an omen or something... Coming through a very yellow light at Gilbert's Corner this afternoon a mommy van didn't appear that it was going to yield coming onto rte 50.. I grab a handful of both brakes and the handlebars make a very sudden turn to the left. Not sure how I saved it, maybe it was luck, maybe it was the dirt bike days, but I do know I sure didn't have time to think about how to save it :) It was long enough, however, to get a good long "OH SH$#!!!" out before it came back in line... I did manage to get a quick 120 mile ride in this afternoon all by my lonesome... Took things at a very sedate pace (for me anyhow) and just took in some scenery... saw plenty of bikes out there as well..funny how they all pop out when the temps break 70! -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 6 21:45:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15225 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23799 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:45:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA12565 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:45:07 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0ELEa15057 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:44:33 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:44:33 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone riding?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I went riding today for a little while between studying for tests. Great day!! Makes me think of selling my car and buying this V65 Magna that I've been considering. Hmmmm.... Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 6 22:04:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15462 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24034 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA12823 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana ([207.172.120.218]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 343 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:04:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19981206220127.00a2e200@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 22:03:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Anyone riding?? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Probably saw you all out there. I _had_ put my bike away for winter a couple of weeks ago, but picked it back up last weekend. This has been an incredible week for riding! Today I ventured down 123 to 95, back up 234 to some back roads like Spriggs and Minnieville, on through Manassas. Unfortunately I had to do some time at work, but I managed to get 110 miles in. Should flip 10,000 on my way home from work tomorrow =) MT _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 6 23:12:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16518 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24778 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA14731 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-70-6.s6.tnt11.brd.erols.com [207.172.70.6]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA09231; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:12:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <025301be21b0$ea9a6420$0646accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "Marc Cronan" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Boots Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:12:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hi Marc, I own a pair of black leather MOTOline Miami boots, size 42 (9 women's). They have Velcro at the side of the foot and at the top of the boot for easy entry. They come up about 6 " above the ankle and offer plenty of ankle protection. I should know. The last time I fell while riding my bike came down on my ankle, but because of the padding, my ankle was OK. Wish I could say the same about my knees. :-( But that's a different subject. Anyway, bought the boots during the NY motorcycle show Jan 98 for @ $130.** I believe Coleman's Powersport in Falls Church has them for about $140. I've found the boot to be very comfortable since I added a soft insole. I'm very happy with this boot and don't plan to buy another pair for at least a year, maybe longer, since they are wearing well. ** FYI: Anita's planning a great bus ride to the '99 show in NY. See her for details! - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD -----Original Message----- From: Marc Cronan To: Dc-Cycles (E-mail) Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 7:47 AM Subject: Boots >Ok, I've been a voyeur long enough and am jumping into the fray with a >"newbie" question. Can anyone recommend a good pair of sport boots that >are comfortable enough to walk around in as well as functional enough to >ride in? I've been looking through the catalogs and I can't decide. It >doesn't make it any easier that I can't try them on either. Like to >keep it below $150. Please let me know. > >Marc From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 01:26:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA18444 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 01:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28129 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 01:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA16472 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 01:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 07 Dec 1998 01:23:39 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Fair weather bikers in my way Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 01:27:36 -0500 Message-ID: <003301be21aa$ae5c6400$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Fun weekend. Got in over 300 miles for the first time since... Geez, I don't know when. Probably about three months ago, before Angie got in her pedal-bike accident and we went to Winchester Indian. Great weather. Too bad so much of my riding was slab. And added to all of the holiday shoppers out and about were Sunday tourists, and the fair weather bikers out and about this weekend. Sure, it's easy to act cool when it's 78 degrees outside. Try to look hard when you've got frozen snot on your chin:) Stopped yesterday to help a HD rider. Seems that his Kevlar belt had snapped. Looked like a little stone got on the rear sprocket, and got lifted into the belt. Split perfectly along a groove. Only had 40,000 miles on the bike. I thought those belts went for 60,000 or so. Oh well. He had already called a friend with a truck, so I went on my way. Was thinking about it later: I thought those belts were a nice alternative to chains. But then, I figured that with a chain, at least you can carry a few extra links in case something like this happens. Think I'll keep my shaft drives for a while. (But that Ducati MH900e looks sweet. Too bad I'd have to sell all my bikes, my car, the computers, and my fiance's engagement ring to afford the down payment:) Morton's Open House was nice, but insanely busy. About twice the turnout that they usually get. Saw a nifty MG Ambassador. Saw a few Norton's. Saw my old R850R. The new owner has scratched it up even more than I scratched it up:) Too bad I couldn't talk to him. Father was in a hurry to leave. Just as well I didn't have a spare key to the bike. I really wanted it back. No more K bikes for me. Definately back to twins. Maybe I need to get a thumper to make up for having a multi. KLR650, anybody? Driving back, there's a new motorcycle dealer in Fredericksburg (on Court House Rd.) They sell Kawasaki, Yamaha, and Polaris motor vehicles, and they have a nice collection of Victory clothing. Let's think about Victory for a second. They will have sold what, 500 motorcycles (at the very outside) by the end of this year? Every damned aftermarket part maker has stuff for them (chrome bits, windshields, pipes, etc, etc, etc). They sell the Kawasaki Eliminator most recently for three years. I can't find ANYTHING for it. What a gyp. Is it just me, or does it sound to tool up for a new product from a 'new' company for getting a piece of aftermarket sales to 500 people this year? Yeah, yeah, they're going to probably make this sucker for 10 years virtually unchanged (and I REALLY believe they'll be making sport bikes, and all sorts of other bikes. NOT) but how long is it going to be before they recoup their investment? If ever. I believe that cruiser sales are going to be flat for the next year. What's big this year? Touring bikes. That's right, it's back to 1984. We've got Ventures, Interstates, Wings of all sorts, FL's in all sorts of variations (although I've never seen one on vacation that wasn't a trailer queen), the ever popular Voyager, as well as a couple of BMWs, the Ducati's (yeah, I wanta take a 916 on a 10,000 XC trip), ST1100s, Concours, and tons of others. The rags can say what they want about the latest and greatest 600cc bike. But tell me, how many of those do you have to sell to get the same profit that you do on an $18,500 Gold Wing?? Lots of riding (for me) this weekend. Time to shelf it and get ready for work tomorrow:( ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 09:30:49 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28385 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18508 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zn1gN-0001Y9-01; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:30:39 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:29:02 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DCA1F7E@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:27:10 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, but let's see if they can RIDE THEM! Now that would impress me! ...although the bathing suit on February looks like it could get rather painful.... ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 10:14 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: > > > It's getting close to the end of the year. Have you been petting your > motorcycle? Can't wait til next year. > > 1998 - Beautiful babes with naughty women draped over them for all you > guys, > and Jeannette ;) > > http://www.micron-exhaust.com/calendar/index.hYeatml > > I'm up for July, September and November. Didn't see my ST in there > though > :( Hopefully in 1999. > > > T From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 09:55:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28754 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03262 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA23658 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Mon Dec 7 08:55 CST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA28726 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:55:26 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE21C7.969B20F0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:54:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Drilling in Plastic and Pepsi Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:54:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, I'm about to drill a 5/8" hole in my VFR's plastic to install a BMW 12v plug. I know to start with a smaller bit and work up to the 5/8" but, is there anything else I should do? (Like tape the surrounding area while I drill to prevent cracking/splitting) TIA. Pepsi --> I am not a chemist, but I believe the ingredient that frees rusted parts is the Phosphoric Acid that's contained in the Pepsi. If you've ever used Naval Jelly, then you're familiar with the stuff. Pretty strong and removes rust pretty well. --John From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 10:07:05 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28996 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03518 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24198 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 425 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:06:29 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19981207100550.01d69350@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:06:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: People Post codes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Apparently invitation codes for PeoplePost only work once, so if you have downloaded the software and cant get in, shoot me an email and Ill send you a special invitation. MT ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org ``Now that the U.S. imperialists, having thrown off the mask of 'dialogue' and 'negotiation', are bringing the situation to the brink of war, we solemnly declare...that our revolutionary armed forces will never pardon the challenge of the U.S. imperialist aggression forces but answer it with an annihilating blow.'' - a spokesman for the General Staff of the North Korean People's Army (KPA) Dec 1 1998 You have to love quotes like this. Reminds me of John Candy in the movie "Volunteers" From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 10:15:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29182 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03617 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24464 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-21.s21.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.21]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01407; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:15:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366BF06F.DAA5CC9E@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:12:47 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carver, John" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Drilling in Plastic and Pepsi References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Taping across where you intend to drill can't hurt. Like you said, start with a smaller bit for a pilot hole and work up to the full size. Also be sure to use a very sharp (brand new) drill bit and use it at as high speed as possible. Collin Carver, John wrote: > > Hey all, > > I'm about to drill a 5/8" hole in my VFR's plastic to install a BMW 12v > plug. I know to start with a smaller bit and work up to the 5/8" but, > is there anything else I should do? (Like tape the surrounding area > while I drill to prevent cracking/splitting) TIA. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 10:47:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29725 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04013 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA25477 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:47:45 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA03927; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:49:21 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003492; Mon, 7 Dec 98 10:48:31 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F3L009K8QIQ0H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566D3.00564B90 ; Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:42:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:55:48 -0500 Subject: Re: People Post Info To: Michael Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566D3.005222E9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Mike et al; Upon first inspection, it appears that the software doesn't work with my company's firewall. If anyone else is having trouble connecting via their corporate internet account, it may be that this is the problem. Too bad too, since it seems like a nice little app. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 11:27:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00553 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04684 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26971 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:27:15 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5OOVa18765 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:26:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47fca57b.366c01bd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:26:37 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fair weather bikers in my way Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Looking thru the various makes at the models offered, it actually looks more like cruisers are booming. As I understand it, cruiser sales increased considerably last year (least year being '98), and even more models are offered this year. Yamaha has it's new 1600cc Road Star (with pushrods!!), the Honda Shadow VLX now comes in a Deluxe version and they brought back the Rebel, Victory is out and seems to be meeting their expected sales, Kawasaki has the new Drifter, and Harley Davidson (gasp!) has a new bike (Dyna Sport Super Glide?), etc. Sure, The Yamaha Venture is back and BMW is coming out with a "GoldWing Killer" but the biggest market growth appears to be cruisers. It's going to be an interesting year. :) Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 13:02:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02221 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06658 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA01549 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:01:55 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UJDTa19657; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:59:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9558ec19.366c177c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:59:24 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX Cc: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 98 Tl1000r wiring schematics Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Anyone have a copy of or just happen to know of the wiring colors for 12v constant, Ignition, Starter, Parking lights(probably have to get them individually). As for now I have tried to install a kill switch, which just resulted in alot of blown fuses. Well, now I want to install a cell phone charger on the TL, hardwired to the ignition and grounded at the chassis so I can charge my cell while the bike is on, and later on I am installing an alarm. I install car stereos and alarms for a living and I am MECP certified in mobile electronics, so Im not tottally incompetent, just not too keen on motorcycles yet. Thanks in advance... Sean... From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 16:14:50 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05747 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:14:48 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr52-dialup57.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.249]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33507) with SMTP id <0F3M00GD65N9X8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:14:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 16:15:19 -0500 Subject: Re: 98 Tl1000r wiring schematics To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Message-id: <004a01be2226$b6661e80$f94f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Not to be too sarcastic, but don't you have a multi-meter? Jon -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: tl1000s@XXXXXX Cc: WantAZX6@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 1:24 PM Subject: 98 Tl1000r wiring schematics >Anyone have a copy of or just happen to know of the wiring colors for 12v >constant, Ignition, Starter, Parking lights(probably have to get them >individually). As for now I have tried to install a kill switch, which just >resulted in alot of blown fuses. Well, now I want to install a cell phone >charger on the TL, hardwired to the ignition and grounded at the chassis so I >can charge my cell while the bike is on, and later on I am installing an >alarm. >I install car stereos and alarms for a living and I am MECP certified in >mobile electronics, so Im not tottally incompetent, just not too keen on >motorcycles yet. > >Thanks in advance... >Sean... From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 16:39:24 1998 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06203 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA24120 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:40:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199812072240.RAA24120@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:40:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: V street drag racing? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Hello All: Does anyone know about the drag races down on V Street (S.E.?) in the District on Thursday Nights? I've heard about it and wondered if anyone has attended.... -John Newman 88 Fizzr 400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 17:29:25 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07243 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomspc (user-38lciqm.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.86]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA17336; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:28:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006901be2230$ba5a3080$564b56d1@tomspc.mindspring.com> From: "Tom Zell" To: "John Newman" , Subject: Re: V street drag racing? Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:27:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I spent about five years racing cars down at V St. (it's in NE right near the MD/DC border). Unfortunately, as of last winter it's been closed. You can still drive down the street, but there are jersey barriers(kinda like the way the Eisenhower Ave. used to be because of the racing there) that direct the flow of traffic making it impossible to race anything there now. I don't know of anything else in DC where any decent street racing is happening... well actually there are a group of folks(a lot) that drag bikes up New York Ave. into MD... V Street was THE place for about 40 years! I miss it a lot although my license sure doesn't! -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: John Newman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 5:13 PM Subject: V street drag racing? Hello All: Does anyone know about the drag races down on V Street (S.E.?) in the District on Thursday Nights? I've heard about it and wondered if anyone has attended.... -John Newman 88 Fizzr 400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 17:37:57 1998 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07417 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (207-172-44-158.s158.tnt3.brd.erols.com [207.172.44.158]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA17386 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:37:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000201be2229$e13c9500$9e2caccf@default> From: "Leslie N. Forewright" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: new bikes... Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:36:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 I just left our favorite bike dealer on Falls Church...they had some bikes sitting around that were still in the crates....very nice..they had the crate tops off, so you could see the bikes and salivate....the ones that caught my eye were the yellow and black GSXR0750 and the TL1000R....beauties...none of the Blue Katanas yet...i'm thinking trade in time.... ;D would you believe that I just put down $169 for a regulator/ recitifier for my lil' Honda...I checked several different places and that was the going rate......such a small, important lil piece of S#^1 that thing is......oh well...enjoy the rain and cold weather......Les.. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 19:40:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09507 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14335 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA17874 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hgg (user-37ka8f6.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.33.230]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA02560 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:40:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981207194233.007c9600@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:42:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: 2 new mounts, one painful fall Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've ridden on two new mounts in the past two days and gone down once. On Sunday I went horseback riding in Virginia on a very feisty horse used for fox hunting. I quickly learned that it is easier to ride something with 150 horsepower than to ride one with one horsepower and its own brain. He managed to throw me as he disobediently ran down a hill, then suddenly obeyed my command to stop. On a brighter note, I brought my bike in for its 12,000 mile service at Bob's where they now have a new fleet of F650s for loaners. It was an interesting contrast to my RT, but certainly fun to ride. Going back tonight, I took advantage of it's small size and light weight to do some judicious lane splitting while fighting rush hour out of Bethesda. Unfortunately, it was hard to enjoy the ride when nearly every part of me was sore from yesterday. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 20:16:54 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10267 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA14728; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:16:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366CA86B.38D6@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:17:47 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carver, John" , "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Drilling in Plastic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin wrote: > Taping across where you intend to drill can't hurt. Like you said, > start with a smaller bit for a pilot hole and work up to the full size. > Also be sure to use a very sharp (brand new) drill bit and use it at as > high speed as possible. > Collin ==================================== > Carver, John wrote: > > Hey all, > > I'm about to drill a 5/8" hole in my VFR's plastic to install a BMW 12v > > plug. I know to start with a smaller bit and work up to the 5/8" but, > > is there anything else I should do? (Like tape the surrounding area > > while I drill to prevent cracking/splitting) TIA. John, I don't know where precisely you're gonna put this badboy, but one helpful thing to do when drilling anything like this is to place something solid (and drillable) behind it, eg. piece of 1x2 or 2x4). This way if you exert force, less of a chance to muck things up, since the bit goes into the wood. If you can't do this for whatever reason, find a nice round file to smooth things out, since the hole will leave lots of plastic burring on the inside edge. 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Rob Moody BMW K75S Virginia USA From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 23:44:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13575 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16784 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA22543 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-54-166.s166.tnt16.brd.erols.com [207.172.54.166]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA16217 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:44:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008301be227e$97441e00$268eaccf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Non-moto: bersa handguns Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:44:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hi ya, I finally went gun shopping while visiting my bro in Georgia this weekend. Found a used Bersa Thunder .380 Double Action Nickle 7-shot handgun for $189. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this particular brand or had any opinion on the price they're charging. (Please respond directly to me off list.) Over the weekend I shot half a box of .9 mms in a Ruger P89 and found it to be heavy and had too much kick for me. After testing a Colt with a entire box of .380s, I was very comfortable with the light weight and my groupings were becoming more accurate. I like the .380 and want to get one and a couple of extra magazines for target practice. I'm also considering getting a .22 to help develop accuracy at a cheaper price. Anyway, if you have any thoughts on this hand gun please let me know. Thanks! - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 7 23:59:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13830 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16898 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA22709 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:55:57 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Robert L Moody" Subject: RE: Drilling in Plastic and Pepsi Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:59:26 -0500 Message-ID: <001901be2267$8777bde0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <002701be225f$7f98cb30$01010101@wotan> Never heard of this before. Plain metal drill bit worked fine when I was putting holes in the GL fairing to rivet some metal in the corners. What kinda special drill bit are you referring to? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 8 05:53:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA20504 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA22969 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA27968 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA26414 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust036.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.36]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA00322 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:53:58 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981208104943.006ae984@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 05:49:43 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Cheap Bike for sale All, I've got a '91 Ninja 600R (ZX600) that didn't work out for me. It's got 12,000 miles on it. It needs more TLC than I have time to give it. The bodywork is in bad shape because it sat in an impound lot for most of it's life. It runs good, but needs a clutch and tires. I'd like to get $900 for it. This one is probably best as a parts bike. It's low mileage, but the first owner abused it by riding it hard, the second owner (impound lot) ignored it and let it get beat up, the third owner rescued it and got it running again (new carbs, new hoses, new tires, clean fuel tank etc), then I got it and wore out those new tires. Home phone - (703) 590-9073 Home email mrider@XXXXXX Work email Begeman.Leon@XXXXXX Work phone - (202) 326-4000 x6241 Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 8 07:38:56 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA21983 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:38:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981208124014.21708.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send206.yahoomail.com; Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:40:14 PST Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 04:40:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: Gravel To: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Chris Norloff wrote: > > >> To compensate for the sudden loss in traction - <> EXPERIENCE - > >> front wheel slides, you're gonna crash > > > >c j wrote: > >yeah and no ability to recover from this when on the pavement... Not true in every case. I have had three front wheel slides where the bike did not crash, one being a two-wheel strait line slide. Not something I'd like to do again. Or even the first time for that matter. Scary, but I didn't crash. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 8 09:02:45 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23287 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:04:23 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:03:57 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: [EXUP] Spares: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_F5A2A3F7.65046957" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_F5A2A3F7.65046957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline This came across the other list I'm on. Thought ya'll might be interested.= There's even a wheel balancer listed. Was the list still looking for = one to go with the tire changer? Scooter --=_F5A2A3F7.65046957 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from lists.safecommerce.com ([38.211.127.25]) by GKMG.COM; Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:13:18 -0500 Received: from yahoo.com by lists.safecommerce.com with SMTP; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:13:24 -0500 Message-ID: <19981208131057.25064.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:10:57 +1100 (EST) From: Rick Subject: [EXUP] Spares: To: exup@XXXXXX Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.1 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline While looking for some stuff for my bike, i found this guys ad in the classifieds, here is a list of stuff he has. I thought some of you might find something here you like/need/want. You can reach him at "EXTREMEED" * Yzf stock front brake lines 2 line system 20.00 * Performance Machine full floating 8.5 rotor with 2 piston caliper =20 275.00 * Yoshimura carbon fiber stainless steel baffle race only muffler 175.00 * European headlight with projector beams 350.00 * Yzf 750 head complete 500.00 * Yzf 750 exup head pipe only 50.00 * Battle axe front and rear 50.00 pair * Wheel balancer coates 280 125.00 * FZR1000 air box 25.00 * Yzf750 air box 25.00 * Lockhart Yzf750 speedscreen dark smoke 25.00 * Fzr muffler hanger custom made 20.00 * Yzf750 stock carbs with jet kit 150.00 * Vance and Hines power pack fzr1000 150.00 * YZF750 cams 200.00 * Mirror round white 20.00 * Yzf chain guard 5.00 * Fzr chain guard 5.00 * Yzf750 block 200.00 * Rods with pistons 160.00 * Crank Yzf750 200.00 * Starter clutch 40.00 * Oil pan 60.00 * Lighten battery box FZR 5.00 * Counter shaft cover 15.00 * Yzf front springs 10.00 * Alternator 100.00 * Starter 50.00 * Yzf speedo head 3900 miles 50.00 * Yzf750 shock 150.00 * Yzf 750 pegs and controls 100.00 * Yzf750 rear pegs and brackets 25.00 * Nology coils 3 ohmn 75.00 * Nology hot wires 75.00 * MSD2A ignition 175.00 * Holley fuel pump with regulator 75.00 =3D=3D Rick yzf_750r@XXXXXX http://www.flash.net/~rdframe ****************************** Dream like you'll live forever Live like you'll die tomorrow ****************************** _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________________________________ For the best performance from your EXUP, use Dynojet Jet Kits -=20 visit www.dynojet.com today and find the right kit for your bike! __________________________________________________________________________ To subscribe, send a message to exup-on@XXXXXX To unsubscribe, send a message to exup-off@XXXXXX For the daily digest, e-mail exup-digest@XXXXXX --=_F5A2A3F7.65046957-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 8 09:39:51 1998 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23893 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:39:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981208144328.14592.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send203.yahoomail.com; Tue, 08 Dec 1998 06:43:28 PST Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:43:28 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Sale..Sale..Sale... To: D C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1 near new Tank Bra .... 2 Stock exhaust Cans near new ...all items excellent condition >From a 97 TLs... You want I got , will sell for good price ...they are doing me no good... tell your buddies .....put on other lists...help me get rid of this stuff...10% sellers comission..... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 8 10:04:19 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24295 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AFEE8073E; Tue, 08 Dec 1998 10:04:14 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981208100719.0100ff10@mail.toward.com> Message-Id: <4.1.19981208100719.0100ff10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 10:09:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: [NON-MC] House for Sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In Falls Church, Virginia. 3 bedroom, 1 bath, brick, one level. Central air conditioning, fireplace, ceiling fans, washer/dryer. 2-car brick garage. Nice, old neighborhood. About 0.25 acre land. $159,000 thanks, Chris Norloff H (703)534-1510 W (202)863-2680 x225 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 8 11:22:03 1998 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25633 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacman (sales-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.12]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA20404; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:21:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981208111232.00a205a0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:25:11 -0500 To: 750-heads , SOHC/4 List , DC Gang , Shadowfolk From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Need Help with Carbs on '78 CB750 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gangs -- Sorry for the cross-posting, but when you're a desperate man, you resort to desperate measures. I'm even about to admit that I can't finish something I started... Some of you might remember that I was in the process of cleaning the carbs on my '78 Honda CB750 (K8). I got most of the work done with no real problems...but now I need some help. In the process of trying to get the choke rods installed correctly and rotated around right to create proper tension on the springs, a small "C"-shaped spring fell off the back somewhere. I just can't figure out where it goes. It's not the throttle return spring, nor is it the spring that pushes the accelerator pump back down. Also, the choke plates don't want to rotate closed (like you were pulling up on the choke cable). They rotate open fine (push down on the choke cable). I'm at the point now where desperation sets in. I'm moving on Saturday and will probably not have a truck to transport the bike to my new place. If anyone lives anywhere near Falls Church, Virginia, and can help me, I really need the assistance. I'm willing to pay a little $$ for your time and expertise. Thanks -- --wes http://shadow.newspeak.org/ wes@XXXXXX '96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" '78 CB750 "Extra Sled" SOHC/4 #1017 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 8 11:25:35 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25646 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:25:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812081625.LAA25646@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:21:20 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: YSR racers... Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:15:13 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I found a 90 YSR 50 for $500 - anyone looking to get cheaply into some fun racing.. I'll forward you the info - it really is a good deal. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 8 11:57:18 1998 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26253 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA27730; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:57:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:57:07 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: "John C. Kozyn" cc: "Carver, John" , "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Drilling in Plastic In-Reply-To: <366CA86B.38D6@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I haven't been following this thread, so apologies if the following was suggested earlier: An alternative to drilling is the use of a soldering iron (or even a hot nail) to make a hole in thin plastic. --garcia On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > Collin wrote: > > > Taping across where you intend to drill can't hurt. Like you said, > > start with a smaller bit for a pilot hole and work up to the full size. > > Also be sure to use a very sharp (brand new) drill bit and use it at as > > high speed as possible. > > Collin > ==================================== > > Carver, John wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > I'm about to drill a 5/8" hole in my VFR's plastic to install a BMW 12v > > > plug. I know to start with a smaller bit and work up to the 5/8" but, > > > is there anything else I should do? (Like tape the surrounding area > > > while I drill to prevent cracking/splitting) TIA. > > John, > > I don't know where precisely you're gonna put this badboy, but one > helpful thing to do when drilling anything like this is to place > something solid (and drillable) behind it, eg. piece of 1x2 or 2x4). > This way if you exert force, less of a chance to muck things up, since > the bit goes into the wood. If you can't do this for whatever reason, > find a nice round file to smooth things out, since the hole will leave > lots of plastic burring on the inside edge. > > JK > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 8 12:00:18 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (smtp-gw.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26333 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:00:16 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28614 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25207 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:00:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812081700.MAA25207@shell.clark.net> Subject: Couple of interesting picts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:00:11 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Here are some interesting images, probably from a motorcycle stunt show. The first has a guy behind a motorcycle that's probably about a foot long. The second shows 4 people on a motorcycle (HOV requirements?) http://www.2wf.com/html/pictureoftheday/rothwellsmallbike.shtml http://www.2wf.com/html/pictureoftheday/rothwell.html Louis From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 8 14:20:29 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28573 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 92; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:37:42 -0500 Message-ID: <366D724D.69522B60@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:39:09 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , Tracy Horstman , Rich Horstman Subject: [Fwd: Picture of the day] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just had to share this... - Dale Jim Pavlis wrote: > > Hi, > > Heh heh heh, this picture needs a caption, like... > > "Damn, I gotta quit missing the seat when I bump start it" > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 8 21:51:55 1998 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05889 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:51:42 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1ZNDa00348 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:43:51 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:43:51 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **12/13 NIH RIDE & THE FEB. 1999 BIKER PARTY** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 NIH Children's Hospital Ride Sunday, December 13 I'm expecting 200+ bikes for this event. OK, one more time. If it's not at least 60 degrees, I won't ride my bike. You know I have a fear of freezing! Either way, I'm there. I truly hope you are too! 1st pickup: 10:00, Heyser's in Laurel on Rt. 1 2nd pickup: 11:30, Layhill Cafe at Layhill & Bel Pre Roads--LEAVING ON TIME Directions to the Layhill Cafe are compliments of Snake--snake69@XXXXXX >From the beltway (I-495), take the Georgia Ave exit north. I never pay attention to distances, so never quote me on how far this is, but head north on Georgia Ave to just past Randolph Road. There is a shopping center on the right. Georgia Ave veers left, while Layhill road veers to the right. If you get to the new Metro Station, you just past it. Go out Layhill Rd until you go through the stoplight with a shopping center on your left. Pull into the shopping center. If you get to where the road becomes a two-lane, you went too far. The Layhill Cafe is at what I think is the north end of the center. Look for the bikes (motorcycles). What to bring? A new wrapped toy--no food. This is what it's all about folks! These kids aren't going home for the holidays, and some don't have any vistors either... And now the drumroll please! I've go the 1999 Riding Season almost completely booked! The most important function is the February Biker Bash to be held at my community recreation facility, and will be open to all 300 listed with the AA County Riders and all DC-Cycle riders as well. Details to follow in January. See you on Sunday at Heyser's or Layhill Cafe. Ride Safely and Warmly, Lee From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 01:26:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09175 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA08911 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA28468 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.26]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 01:23:32 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: special savage Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: <004801be233c$f72bb800$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Tracy and Dale especially might like this: http://www.enteract.com/~rnd/bike-images/steve.jpg ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 03:28:49 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA11864 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id DAA05467; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA10792; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:57:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981208175722.CNOW610@toddnt>; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:57:22 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: RE: Couple of interesting picts Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:58:46 -0500 Message-ID: <001201be22d4$66b9b410$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199812081700.MAA25207@shell.clark.net> Importance: Normal That'd be Gary Rothwell folks. Saw him at Pocono this year and I gotta tell you, I was amazed. Todd > > > > Here are some interesting images, probably from a motorcycle stunt show. > The first has a guy behind a motorcycle that's probably about a > foot long. > The second shows 4 people on a motorcycle (HOV requirements?) > > http://www.2wf.com/html/pictureoftheday/rothwellsmallbike.shtml > > http://www.2wf.com/html/pictureoftheday/rothwell.html > > Louis > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 06:31:20 1998 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15026 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:31:19 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0RYYa18758 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:30:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59c32af7.366e5f5b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:30:35 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **SPECIAL INFO RE NIH RIDE (TOY)** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Per LgOvrLethr@XXXXXX the following rules apply for the gifts... THANK YOU!! Lee, the most correct information on the NIH ride is very specific about the gift. It needs to be unwrapped, no food or candy, NOTHING RED OR YELLOW, it relates to their treatment and the purpose of this day is to distract them. Suggestions include: backpacks, bandanas, beanie babies, walkman, disposable cameras, freidship bracelets, stuffed tyoys, t-shirts, sweatshirts. I only mention this so no one shows up and has their gift rejected and is disappointed with their experience and contribution of the day. See you there. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 08:04:11 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (smtp-gw.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16386 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:04:10 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA16380 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09040 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:04:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812091304.IAA09040@shell.clark.net> Subject: Stayin' Safe tours, any experiences? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:04:07 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text First off, I wanted to see if any of you have taken any of Lawrence Grodsky's "Stayin' Safe" motorcycle tours. Grodsky is the guy who writes the Stayin' Safe column in Rider Magazine. Besides beginner level courses, he also offers 2-3 day tours in a variety of settings (Shenadoah/Blue Ridge, Switzerland of Ohio & W. Virginia, etc.). Cost is about $500, including hotel and some meals. During these tours he or another instructor rides with the group (max of 3 students per instructor) and provides coaching. If anyone has done one of these before, could you send me some e-mail with your experiences? I'm thinking of signing up for one of the tours next year. If a group (3-6 people) sign up together, there is a 10% discount. Would anyone else be interested in going? (I know it's early, but I'm just playing with my summer plans and thought I'd see if there was any other interest). There is a web page with information about the various tours that are offered. The URL is http://www.stayinsafe.com Louis From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 08:18:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16646 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13016 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04036 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:16:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2 new mounts, one painful fall Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:16:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Is lane splitting allowed in Maryland? Isn't that considered one of those "aggressive driver" things that DC/Maryland is trying to stop? Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [mailto:hgg@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 7:43 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2 new mounts, one painful fall I've ridden on two new mounts in the past two days and gone down once. On Sunday I went horseback riding in Virginia on a very feisty horse used for fox hunting. I quickly learned that it is easier to ride something with 150 horsepower than to ride one with one horsepower and its own brain. He managed to throw me as he disobediently ran down a hill, then suddenly obeyed my command to stop. On a brighter note, I brought my bike in for its 12,000 mile service at Bob's where they now have a new fleet of F650s for loaners. It was an interesting contrast to my RT, but certainly fun to ride. Going back tonight, I took advantage of it's small size and light weight to do some judicious lane splitting while fighting rush hour out of Bethesda. Unfortunately, it was hard to enjoy the ride when nearly every part of me was sore from yesterday. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 08:19:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16656 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13034 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04073 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:18:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: 2 new mounts, one painful fall Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:18:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Oh, glad to hear you suffered only soreness from your spill. Sorry for the lack of compassion on my part. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 8:16 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2 new mounts, one painful fall Is lane splitting allowed in Maryland? Isn't that considered one of those "aggressive driver" things that DC/Maryland is trying to stop? Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [mailto:hgg@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 7:43 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2 new mounts, one painful fall I've ridden on two new mounts in the past two days and gone down once. On Sunday I went horseback riding in Virginia on a very feisty horse used for fox hunting. I quickly learned that it is easier to ride something with 150 horsepower than to ride one with one horsepower and its own brain. He managed to throw me as he disobediently ran down a hill, then suddenly obeyed my command to stop. On a brighter note, I brought my bike in for its 12,000 mile service at Bob's where they now have a new fleet of F650s for loaners. It was an interesting contrast to my RT, but certainly fun to ride. Going back tonight, I took advantage of it's small size and light weight to do some judicious lane splitting while fighting rush hour out of Bethesda. Unfortunately, it was hard to enjoy the ride when nearly every part of me was sore from yesterday. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 08:29:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16856 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13154 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA04286 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AB48350248; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:29:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981209083312.00fa5be0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:35:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: 2 new mounts, one painful fall In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Technically illegal, though if used judiciously it's a reasonable response to unreasonable traffic (car drivers recently caused a 17-mile backup because they wanted to see the wreck of a tractor-trailer on I-95). Hell, the backup from the wreck itself was only 2 miles! Aggressive driving like swerving, cutting people off, and tailgating is much more dangerous than careful lane splitting. Chris Norloff At 08:16 AM 12/9/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: >Is lane splitting allowed in Maryland? Isn't that considered one of those >"aggressive driver" things that DC/Maryland is trying to stop? > >Mitch > >-----Original Message----- >From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [mailto:hgg@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 7:43 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: 2 new mounts, one painful fall > > > I've ridden on two new mounts in the past two days and gone down once. > On Sunday I went horseback riding in Virginia on a very feisty horse used >for fox hunting. I quickly learned that it is easier to ride something >with 150 horsepower than to ride one with one horsepower and its own brain. > He managed to throw me as he disobediently ran down a hill, then suddenly >obeyed my command to stop. > On a brighter note, I brought my bike in for its 12,000 mile service at >Bob's where they now have a new fleet of F650s for loaners. It was an >interesting contrast to my RT, but certainly fun to ride. Going back >tonight, I took advantage of it's small size and light weight to do some >judicious lane splitting while fighting rush hour out of Bethesda. >Unfortunately, it was hard to enjoy the ride when nearly every part of me >was sore from yesterday. > >Harry >Bethesda, MD >'97 BMW R1100RT >http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm >"The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 08:44:29 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17115 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:44:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981209134814.26746.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send203.yahoomail.com; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 05:48:14 PST Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 05:48:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: Harley Barbie To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I couldn't open (URL Not Found). I got into Classy Shelties, but not beanies. Is it gone or is my computer picking on me again? Ray ---"O'Brien, Jeannette" wrote: > > I found a pic of her! This is really weird! LOL > > www.classyshelties.com/Beanies/HD.jpg > > - Jeannette > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 08:59:50 1998 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17389 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacman (sales-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.12]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA15570 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:59:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981209085916.00a45740@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:02:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Lane Splitting (Was RE: 2 new mounts...) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981209083312.00fa5be0@mail.toward.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Unbelievable, isn't it? If you split, though, take my advice and watch carefully the cages around you. An irate car driver -- apparently pissed that I was making progress in the traffic jam -- not only tried to squeeze me out, but then he tried following me through traffic. Not fun. At least I was able to get away from him... You should probably watch for side-view mirrors, too...I imagine clipping one of those would hurt! --w At 08:35 09-12-98 , Chris Norloff wrote: >Technically illegal, though if used judiciously it's a reasonable response >to unreasonable traffic (car drivers recently caused a 17-mile backup >because they wanted to see the wreck of a tractor-trailer on I-95). Hell, >the backup from the wreck itself was only 2 miles! > >Aggressive driving like swerving, cutting people off, and tailgating is >much more dangerous than careful lane splitting. > >Chris Norloff > > >At 08:16 AM 12/9/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: >>Is lane splitting allowed in Maryland? Isn't that considered one of those >>"aggressive driver" things that DC/Maryland is trying to stop? >> >>Mitch http://shadow.newspeak.org/ wes@XXXXXX '96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" '78 CB750 "Extra Sled" SOHC/4 #1017 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 09:04:24 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17481 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0znkDt-0003LG-00; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:04:13 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:02:29 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DD000B8@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Ray'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harley Barbie Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:00:42 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I don't know what happened, looks like they took the site down. : ( Sorry... > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray [SMTP:raymondlucas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 8:48 AM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Harley Barbie > > I couldn't open (URL Not Found). I got into Classy Shelties, but not > beanies. Is it gone or is my computer picking on me again? > Ray > > > > > ---"O'Brien, Jeannette" wrote: > > > > I found a pic of her! This is really weird! LOL > > > > www.classyshelties.com/Beanies/HD.jpg > > > > - Jeannette > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 09:20:11 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17823 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0znkTG-0006Ll-01; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:20:06 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:18:22 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DD000BA@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'George Howell'" , Ray , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harley Barbie Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:16:35 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks, George, yeah, that's it! > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 9:19 AM > To: Ray; O'Brien, Jeannette; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Harley Barbie > > Go to: > > www.classyshelties.com/Beanies > > It gives you a list of the files. It is fairly obvious which pic it is > (can't remember the name). > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > > > > www.classyshelties.com/Beanies/HD.jpg From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 09:28:32 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17916 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:15:13 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Ray" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Subject: RE: Harley Barbie Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:19:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001001be237e$dead3fa0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19981209134814.26746.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Importance: Normal Go to: www.classyshelties.com/Beanies It gives you a list of the files. It is fairly obvious which pic it is (can't remember the name). ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > > www.classyshelties.com/Beanies/HD.jpg From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 09:59:08 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18439 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0369201FE; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:59:02 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981209100437.00fd6d40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:05:17 -0500 To: Ray , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Harley Barbie In-Reply-To: <19981209134814.26746.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It worked for me, but the image has changed. http://www.classyshelties.com/Beanies/Harleyd.jpg waiting for BMW Barbie, Chris Norloff At 08:48 AM 12/9/98 , Ray wrote: >I couldn't open (URL Not Found). I got into Classy Shelties, but not >beanies. Is it gone or is my computer picking on me again? >Ray > > > > >---"O'Brien, Jeannette" wrote: >> >> I found a pic of her! This is really weird! LOL >> >> www.classyshelties.com/Beanies/HD.jpg >> >> - Jeannette >> >> >> > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 10:46:17 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19292 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.157] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA05066; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:48:54 -0500 Message-ID: <002401be238b$1178ac60$9d73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: Stayin' Safe tours, any experiences? Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:46:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Yes, I have done a Stayin' Safe tour. Great experience & great fun. Highly recommended. > >First off, I wanted to see if any of you have taken any of Lawrence >Grodsky's "Stayin' Safe" motorcycle tours. Grodsky is the guy who writes >the Stayin' Safe column in Rider Magazine. Besides beginner level courses, >he also offers 2-3 day tours in a variety of settings (Shenadoah/Blue Ridge, >Switzerland of Ohio & W. Virginia, etc.). Cost is about $500, including >hotel and some meals. During these tours he or another instructor rides >with the group (max of 3 students per instructor) and provides coaching. If >anyone has done one of these before, could you send me some e-mail with your >experiences? > >I'm thinking of signing up for one of the tours next year. If a group (3-6 >people) sign up together, there is a 10% discount. Would anyone else be >interested in going? (I know it's early, but I'm just playing with my >summer plans and thought I'd see if there was any other interest). > >There is a web page with information about the various tours that are >offered. The URL is http://www.stayinsafe.com > >Louis From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 10:48:22 1998 Return-Path: ThomasJ@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19328 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:47:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: looking for a good shop Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:47:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Someone once mentioned a good cycle shop in the Maryland/south of Baltimore/Anne Arundel county area...like a mom and pop place. I'm looking for a reputable shop. Anyone remember what it's called? jt From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 11:19:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19878 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15574 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09848 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 380; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:52:26 -0500 Message-ID: <366E9D11.BE651D92@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:53:53 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Mailing List , Tracy Horstman , "Tracy @ Home" Subject: Re: special savage References: <004801be233c$f72bb800$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Probably corners just about as well as Tracy's bike! :) Thanks for the pic, I'll forward it to her. Dale George Howell wrote: > > Tracy and Dale especially might like this: > > http://www.enteract.com/~rnd/bike-images/steve.jpg > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 11:28:43 1998 Return-Path: JKBroga@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20074 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:28:42 -0500 (EST) From: JKBroga@XXXXXX Received: from JKBroga@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id BPMYa22776 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:27:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8bc80bed.366ea4fd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:27:41 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: looking for a good shop Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 I know of a great Harley repair/speed shop in Waldorf if that counts. Its called Cycle Dynamics I believe and run by a good guy named Buell ( coincidence). I live in Loudoun now so I haven't been there in a while, but they were great when I went there. While anyone's in the Waldorf area, try Lefty's BBQ. Best ribs I've ever had. Jonathan From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 11:56:27 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com ([208.218.73.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20562 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:56:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.157] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA05543; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:58:47 -0500 Message-ID: <006001be2394$d5737c40$9d73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" , , "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Stayin' Safe tours, any experiences? Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:56:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I did the 2 day Shenandoah ride. We met in Front Royal where we had breakfast, then we did some parking lot exercises that I think were mostly for Larry to gauge our skill levels. Larry seemed very good at assessing everyone and focusing on each individuals needs. Basically the ride consisted of Larry leading and watching in his mirrors, every so often we would stop and discuss our styles and how they related to the different situations we were in. While riding, Larry would signal for the student behind him to drop to the back of the pack and the next would fall into place. This continued the whole day. At the end of the day (we did stop for lunch) we wound up at the hotel at Natural Bridge where everything was already arranged. Larry took care of all the rooms so we had no paperwork to deal with. After a chance for everyone to rest/shower we met in the lobby for a walk to the Natural Bridge itself. What a cool sight. Then it was time for dinner. We could choose from anything on the menu and the food was wonderful. Again all arranged. This was included in the price of the tour so no bill was presented. The next day we woke early and jumped on the bikes right away to take advantage of the empty parking lot across the street. After about an hour of braking exercises it was time for breakfast. Same deal as dinner. The second day was pretty much the same as the first but the pace was much more brisk. At the end of the day (about 4pm) we wound up in Afton, Va where we split up to head for home. All in all a great experience. We had fun, ate good food, rode on beautiful roads, and even learned a thing or two (or more). I would do it again, but I would probably go for the 3 day ride down in the Smoky Mts. (Ga.) even though it would cost more and entail having a room for the day before and the day after the ride. I think a very experienced rider might not gain a huge amount, but a less experienced rider can gain many valuable real-world lessons from this type of training. There are no classroom sessions, no videotapes, no BS, just ride, ride, ride and then discuss. I feel like I gained a lot of confidence after this ride and I still use techniques that I learned to this day. I would definitely recommend it. >On 9 Dec 98, at 10:46, Bruce Norton wrote: > >> Yes, I have done a Stayin' Safe tour. Great experience & great fun. Highly >> recommended. > >Which one did you do? Did you think it was worth the price? $500 >seemed high for 2 days/1 night, but I guess if the instruction is >really good, it'd be worth it! :-) > >Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 13:46:17 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22528 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:48:22 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:48:16 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 14:44:56 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: new old track Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Racers and fans-- Check this out: www.virclub.com (please let it be true) Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 16:21:31 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25112 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DV3A5LXW; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:21:06 EST To: bnorton@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stayin' Safe tours, any experiences? Message-ID: <19981205.052652.4943.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <006001be2394$d5737c40$9d73c3d0@bruce> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3,9-11 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:21:06 EST On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:56:06 -0500 "Bruce Norton" writes: >I did the 2 day Shenandoah ride. This sounds like a great experience indeed. In your opinion, what level of beginner would be comfortable on this type of trip? In other words, would the average someone who just passed the MSF Beginner course at NOVA and bought their first bike be able to handle the trip, or is it better suited to someone who's been riding on their own a bit? I wonder if I should mention it to newbies or not... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 17:30:28 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com ([208.218.73.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26329 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.42] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA01169; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 17:05:27 -0500 Message-ID: <003201be23bf$ac1c15c0$2a73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Bikes R Us" Cc: Subject: Re: Stayin' Safe tours, any experiences? Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:00:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I'm pretty sure Larry can accomodate all levels, he has both fast and slow rides (tortoise and hare). I think he recommends around 2,000 miles of experience. >On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:56:06 -0500 "Bruce Norton" >writes: >>I did the 2 day Shenandoah ride. > >This sounds like a great experience indeed. In your opinion, what level >of beginner would be comfortable on this type of trip? In other words, >would the average someone who just passed the MSF Beginner course at NOVA >and bought their first bike be able to handle the trip, or is it better >suited to someone who's been riding on their own a bit? I wonder if I >should mention it to newbies or not... > >JohnDavid@Bikes R Us From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 18:14:20 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27148 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:14:18 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr17-dialup52.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.71.52]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F3Q005GN0HA4B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:12:53 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:14:04 -0500 Subject: Re: looking for a good shop To: "Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00c001be23c9$a20cd060$344737a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Someone once mentioned a good cycle shop in the Maryland/south of >Baltimore/Anne Arundel county area...like a mom and pop place. I'm looking >for a reputable shop. Anyone remember what it's called? >jt Cycle Parts Discounters 410-944-1000. It's run by Bill(ex-roadracer) and his wife(can't remember her name). Nice, honest people. Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 19:51:06 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA28732 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 19:37:44 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "Ray" , Subject: RE: Harley Barbie Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:41:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be23d5$d92a8040$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981209100437.00fd6d40@mail.toward.com> > waiting for BMW Barbie, I can barely afford Honda Angie. I'd hate to think what the 'maintenance' on BMW Barbie costs. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 21:23:40 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00354 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA00631 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:23:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366F5B18.655C@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 21:24:40 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Lane Splitting Revisited Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys & Gals, I saw the posts regarding lane spliting today and have a bit of experience in this regard since I do it daily on one of the clogged arterial bridges leading to DC. Here are JK's suggestions for safe(r) "filtering" - I do much prefer the Brit terminology: 1. Turn off your high beam. 2. Keep engine revs down - loud pipes piss people off. 3. Maintain several fingers over your front brake at _all_ times. 4. Keep your braking foot poised over that lever. 5. Move slowly; 10-15 mph is plenty. 6. Make a head check every time you switch between lanes - both sides if 3 lanes! 7. Slide in the open (full) lane whenever it's possible using your superior acceleration, brakes and, most of all, judgement ;) JK N.B. I tend to do this _much_ less when in suburban VA. Legalistic cager types sometimes go ballistic. I judge the Key Bridge to be something of a neutral zone (no man's land ;) YMMV. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 9 23:03:44 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.cw.net (pm04sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02152 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:03:42 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr3-dialup27.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.67.155]) by PM04SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33508) with SMTP id <0F3Q008CFDWX0X@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:03:02 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 23:04:15 -0500 Subject: StreetFighters To: dc-cycles Message-id: <002701be23f2$29afd6c0$9b4337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Attn. Kirk, or anyone else interested. I might start transforming my little FZR into a streetfighter. http://www.motoventure.com/index.htm Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 00:26:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03435 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA29030 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA04136 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:23:32 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Sean Pter" Subject: TLR Recall (might be old news) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:27:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be23fd$c7eabb60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal http://www.motorave.net/tlr/recall.htm Not sure if this is old news, but there's a recall on TLR fuel pump hoses. Sorry if it's a repeat. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 02:15:28 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA06109 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:15:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA02105; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:15:23 -0500 Message-ID: <049701be240c$93c01880$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: Stayin' Safe tours, any experiences? Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:13:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Larry G. gave me a few hours of urban riding tutoring when I first started out which I found strongly beneficial. He's been doing these kinds of things in this area for at least several years. I saw his promo talk at Battleys a year ago. He was Mike Tyson's motorcycle trainer (not without some press notice, MT gyrations the cause) which should say quite a bit about reputation and ability to handle a range of situations. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Sports a "Stayin Safe" sticker Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: louis@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles List Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 8:10 AM Subject: Stayin' Safe tours, any experiences? > >First off, I wanted to see if any of you have taken any of Lawrence >Grodsky's "Stayin' Safe" motorcycle tours. ...snip From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 02:31:45 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA06397 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA02344 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:31:42 -0500 Message-ID: <04b901be240e$db56e640$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Urban pressures -- Chicago Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:29:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >From the Vulcan List: *********** Begin quotes These are indeed interesting times ... http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily98/day1208.html ...snip *********** For those of you that don't know, Burt Natarus is the chicago Alderman that wanted a law passed requireing horses to wear diapers when pulling carriages through town so they wouldn't leave droppings behind. I wouldn't take him seriously, no one else does. ...snip *********** End quotes With surely our own lurking sets of detractors, Chicago's battles are duly noted. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Stealth equipped Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 07:39:40 1998 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11812 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:39:39 -0500 (EST) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA35616 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:17:47 -0500 Received: from us.ibm.com (d54mta01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.33]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.8.7/NCO v1.7) with SMTP id HAA118202 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:39:03 -0500 Received: by us.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 852566D6.00457DF7 ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:39:02 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS Message-ID: <852566D6.00457CE2.00@us.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:38:58 -0500 Subject: Ride in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline To: undisclosed-recipients:; Whoa!!! Was it cold enough on the ride in this morning? Gotta get heated grips! Regards, Tom Knapik Honda CX650C E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 07:58:27 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA12134 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:58:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812101258.HAA12134@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:57:57 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Ride in Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:57:55 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I'm already at the widder homepage... I might go Gerbring though (full sleeve heating instead of a vest).. Mmmm, heat = good. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > > Whoa!!! Was it cold enough on the ride in this morning? > Gotta get heated > grips! > > Regards, > Tom Knapik > Honda CX650C > E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX > Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 08:09:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12307 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03884 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA10311 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:09:39 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566D6.0047B58B ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:03:15 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566D6.00475E57.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:03:09 -0500 Subject: RE: Ride in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>I'm already at the widder homepage... I might go Gerbring though (full sleeve heating instead of a vest).. Mmmm, heat = good.<< That's probably a good idea Brian. Back when I used a heated vest, I was always over heating around the torso and I remember thinking "I wish the heating elements were in my sleeves rather than just in my vest." From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 09:18:44 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13431 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:10:41 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:10:20 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: StreetFighters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Go for it. And don't forget to take pictures along the way to illustrate = it's tranformation. Scooter >>> 12/09/98 11:04PM >>> Attn. Kirk, or anyone else interested. I might start transforming my = little FZR into a streetfighter. http://www.motoventure.com/index.htm=20 Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 09:48:19 1998 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13915 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from HeilesenM.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil ([131.158.70.177]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA12430; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:48:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812101448.JAA12430@pop02.globecomm.net> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: Ride in Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:47:15 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could you please post the URL for the Widder Homepage. Thanks. ---------- > I'm already at the widder homepage... I might go Gerbring though (full > sleeve heating instead of a vest).. Mmmm, heat = good. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 10:09:12 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14282 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11602 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:08:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:08:56 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Ride in In-Reply-To: <000901be244d$25297bf0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Where electric vests/jackets/etc are concerned there's one thing that many people overlook - on the road repairability of the connectors. I don't know about all the brands but I do know that Widder uses connectors that can be fixed with just a screwdriver and a knife (usually just a screwdriver). If you don't pack the necessary stuff to keep yourself warm without electrics and if the electrics fail you could be seriously screwed. Just a thought... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 10:17:23 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14474 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:12:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Marvin Heilesen'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ride in Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:12:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) http://www.widder.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Marvin Heilesen [SMTP:snake69@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 9:47 AM > To: McCoy, Brian NAB02; 'dc' > Subject: Re: Ride in > > Could you please post the URL for the Widder Homepage. Thanks. > > ---------- > > I'm already at the widder homepage... I might go Gerbring though (full > > sleeve heating instead of a vest).. Mmmm, heat = good. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 10:28:43 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (send201.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14704 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:28:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981210152900.23758.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send201.yahoomail.com; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:29:00 SGT Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:29:00 +0800 (SGT) From: Ray Subject: Re: Ride in To: Marvin Heilesen , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, that Gerbring one too. ---Marvin Heilesen wrote: > > Could you please post the URL for the Widder Homepage. Thanks. > > ---------- > > I'm already at the widder homepage... I might go Gerbring though (full > > sleeve heating instead of a vest).. Mmmm, heat = good. > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 10:32:26 1998 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14817 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:32:25 -0500 (EST) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from northrelay03.pok.ibm.com (northrelay03.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.23]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23696; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:09:52 -0500 Received: from us.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by northrelay03.pok.ibm.com (8.8.7/NCO v1.7) with SMTP id KAA84246; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:30:59 -0500 Received: by us.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 852566D6.005537D4 ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:30:48 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: snake69@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566D6.005534AB.00@us.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:30:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Ride in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Marvin wrote: >>Could you please post the URL for the Widder Homepage. Thanks http://www.widder.com Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 12-10-98 10:27 AM --------------------------- "Marvin Heilesen" on 12-10-98 09:47:15 AM To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" cc: (bcc: Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM) Subject: Re: Ride in ---------- > I'm already at the widder homepage... I might go Gerbring though (full > sleeve heating instead of a vest).. Mmmm, heat = good. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 10:39:22 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14949 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:39:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812101539.KAA14949@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:37:36 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: heated clothing.. Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:37:34 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) http://www.widder.com/ http://www.whitetrash.com/mo/mcbeware/gerbing_suit.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 10:42:19 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15045 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABD54440240; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:42:13 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981210104349.00fcb380@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:47:06 -0500 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Ride in In-Reply-To: References: <000901be244d$25297bf0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:08 AM 12/10/98 , Kirk Roy wrote: >Where electric vests/jackets/etc are concerned there's one thing that many >people overlook - on the road repairability of the connectors. I don't >know about all the brands but I do know that Widder uses connectors that >can be fixed with just a screwdriver and a knife (usually just a >screwdriver). If you don't pack the necessary stuff to keep yourself >warm without electrics and if the electrics fail you could be seriously >screwed. I don't think you'd be "seriously screwed" to have your electrics die, but you'd have some serious inconvenience. You'd have to go slower, not go as far, and/or take longer to get home (stopping to warm up). You can get some cheap warm clothes and chemical heat packs at any KMart or similar store, or just layer newspaper under your jacket. In 5 years of using Widder vests, only once has the connection messed up, and it was an easy fix, like Kirk says. But then I tinned the ends of the wires in the connector so I don't have the problem anymore anyway. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 10:42:14 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15039 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABD14440240; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:42:09 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981210104022.00fcd6d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:41:21 -0500 To: "George Howell" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Harley Barbie In-Reply-To: <000401be23d5$d92a8040$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <4.1.19981209100437.00fd6d40@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:41 PM 12/9/98 , George Howell wrote: >> waiting for BMW Barbie, > >I can barely afford Honda Angie. I'd hate to think what the 'maintenance' on >BMW Barbie costs. Requires special maintenance and parts, but doesn't need much maintenance, and lasts forever. I can live with that. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 10:42:16 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15043 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABD34440240; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:42:11 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981210104308.00fccd60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:43:34 -0500 To: "Marvin Heilesen" , "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ride in In-Reply-To: <199812101448.JAA12430@pop02.globecomm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.widder.com also see http://www.gerbing.com Chris Norloff At 09:47 AM 12/10/98 , Marvin Heilesen wrote: >Could you please post the URL for the Widder Homepage. Thanks. > >---------- >> I'm already at the widder homepage... I might go Gerbring though (full >> sleeve heating instead of a vest).. Mmmm, heat = good. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 11:01:15 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15483 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zo8WZ-0002FE-00; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:01:07 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:57:31 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DD000D5@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Ray'" , Marvin Heilesen , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Ride in Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:55:47 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain www.gerbing.com The thing I like the most about Gerbing is their jacket liner. It's heated through the sleeves. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray [SMTP:raymondlucas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 10:29 AM > To: Marvin Heilesen; McCoy, Brian NAB02; 'dc' > Subject: Re: Ride in > > Yeah, that Gerbring one too. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 11:17:12 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15740 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:15:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812101615.LAA15740@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:01:02 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: heated clothing.. Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:00:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) http://ds.dial.pipex.com/chilli/ http://www.gerbing.com/ Aerostich has heated clothing as well (no pictures on-line) And there's a site/document on making your own out there somewhere (Collin's got it, bug him!) Snake man, you BEST be getting heated for your wife.. otherwise I'm gonna think you can't hack the mild winters here.. :) Brian (yes, my hands are COLD) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 11:32:55 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16056 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:32:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981210163221.12458.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send202.yahoomail.com; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:32:21 PST Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:32:21 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: NYC Bus Trip (suggestions on deposit and video) To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree that Anita should not pay the liquor deposit. I suggest that all of us (and I'll be the first) that want to bring liquor split up the deposit and take the responsibility of making sure no damage or mess is made. For videos, I have Kieth Codes "A Twist of the Wrist" video, it may be a little boring to some. I also have the Mad Max trilogy (Mad Max, Road Warrior, Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome) on one tape. Marvin, how about bringing "Quadrophenia"? Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 11:39:10 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16161 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A92A38605D4; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:39:06 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981210114121.00ff9f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:45:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Turn in a Cager :-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Saw a ovloV wagon run a red light last night ... no, really! Yellow light, red light, ovloV stops, then drives through the red light. So, remembering a newspaper article, I called the Falls Church City police and asked if they'd take a complaint and send a warning to the owner of the vehicle ... and they did! They wanted my name and phone no., the offending vehicle's tag, make/description, year (just guessed), offense, and location. Tres cool. Turn in a Cager ... Save a Life, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 12:00:53 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16585 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:00:51 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA25057; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:02:25 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024827; Thu, 10 Dec 98 12:01:59 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F3R00DTSDVO0M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566D6.005CE8D0 ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:54:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:43:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Ride in To: Marvin Heilesen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566D6.005624BE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL http://www.widder.com/ Enjoy ... --chris To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , 'dc' cc: From: Marvin Heilesen Date: 12/10/98 02:47:15 PM GMT Subject: Re: Ride in Could you please post the URL for the Widder Homepage. Thanks. ---------- > I'm already at the widder homepage... I might go Gerbring though (full > sleeve heating instead of a vest).. Mmmm, heat = good. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 12:20:12 1998 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16938 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from HeilesenM.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil ([131.158.70.177]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA20805 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:19:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812101719.MAA20805@pop01.globecomm.net> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Ride in Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:19:13 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks. Actually I just bought (second hand) some Widder equipment, and was wanting the page to look for spare connectors etc. But, I do feel stupid as the www.widder.com makes sense and I should have just tried that first. Oh well....I am a member of the "Smart Too Late Club". ---------- > http://www.widder.com > also see > http://www.gerbing.com > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 12:24:54 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16964 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:24:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812101724.MAA16964@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:05:29 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: NYC Bus Trip (suggestions on deposit and video) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:02:54 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I've got 2 Performance Bikes Videos.. fun to watch... there's a thrid one out that I haven't bought yet.. and a Rothwell video I'm considering.. they're up for loan to someone that's going on the trip ($15 rewind fee!! *grin*) Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 12:48:09 1998 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17407 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from HeilesenM.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil ([131.158.70.177]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA29680; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:46:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812101746.MAA29680@pop01.globecomm.net> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: heated clothing.. Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:46:08 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BE243B.0F297C40" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BE243B.0F297C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got them for me. My wife is smarter than to go out on a motorcycle when it is that cold. I actually bought them for the gloves. I have frostbitten my fingers too many times and they get cold real easily. Now all I need s for it to turn cold here to give me some incentive to hook them up...... (my fingers got COLD in my uninsulated work gloves this morning, but the rest of me was toasty warm....) ---------- > Snake man, you BEST be getting heated for your wife.. otherwise I'm gonna > think you can't hack the mild winters here.. :) > > Brian (yes, my hands are COLD) ------=_NextPart_000_01BE243B.0F297C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I got them for me.  My wife is = smarter than to go out on a motorcycle when it is that cold.  I = actually bought them for the gloves.  I have frostbitten my fingers = too many times and they get cold real easily.  Now all I need s for = it to turn cold here to give me some incentive to hook them up...... =  (my fingers got COLD in my uninsulated work gloves this morning, = but the rest of me was toasty warm....)

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> Snake man, you BEST be getting = heated for your wife.. otherwise I'm gonna
> think you can't hack = the mild winters here.. :)
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> Brian (yes, my hands are = COLD)

------=_NextPart_000_01BE243B.0F297C40-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 12:49:32 1998 Return-Path: polmstead@XXXXXX Received: from raptor2.co.prince-william.va.us (host.co.prince-william.va.us [206.239.140.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17416 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange2 by raptor2.co.prince-william.va.us via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 17:59:16 UT Received: by EXCHANGE2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:00:55 -0500 Message-ID: <814CEEDEC715D2118DE100104B8BD8E0134149@RIDGE5> From: "Olmsted, Peter D." To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: covered garage for sale Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:52:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, I have a 12' x 20' covered garage with doors at both ends for sale. It is "A" frame design that anchors into the ground. I have five florescent hanging lights and 3/4" plywood floor. It assembles very easy with minimal tools needed. It is great for housing boats and cars. With doors at both ends it allows you to drive completely through with plenty of space. Asking $700 OBO. (301)-829-3366- Home (703)-792-6886- Work (703)-365-1541- Pager Ask for Pete VFR 800 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 12:59:31 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17572 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABFEE2024E; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:59:26 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981210124949.00fc7250@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:50:27 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ride in In-Reply-To: <199812101719.MAA20805@pop01.globecomm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It probably pops right up in any Internet search engine with the words widder, motorcycle and clothing. Chris Norloff At 12:19 PM 12/10/98 , Marvin Heilesen wrote: >Thanks. Actually I just bought (second hand) some Widder equipment, and >was wanting the page to look for spare connectors etc. But, I do feel >stupid as the www.widder.com makes sense and I should have just tried that >first. Oh well....I am a member of the "Smart Too Late Club". > >---------- >> http://www.widder.com >> also see >> http://www.gerbing.com >> >> Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 17:21:18 1998 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21955 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:21:15 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA05531; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:22:54 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa05336; Thu, 10 Dec 98 17:21:52 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F3R00B2NSRHJD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566D6.007A5B21 ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:16:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:20:40 -0500 Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip (suggestions on deposit and video) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566D6.006A4F64.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL As for videos, I have a tape with a couple of Grand Prix (Jerez and some other one I can't remember) on it, as well as a the AMA races from Atlanta a few weeks ago. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 19:40:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24218 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:40:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14591 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA05615 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:39:56 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5SLAa28831; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:05:53 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <663ba0c7.367061e1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:05:53 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sunday Ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Im off on Sunday for the first time since Ive been working at my current employer, and to celebrate, I would love to take a ride or join one (weather permitting). If anyone is up for it, please let me know... Im looking for a moderately fast ride with some good sights, maybe out western md, coming back on old rt 40. Im open for suggestions. I live in annapolis md, so lets try not to start out too early, as it seems everywhere everyone rides is always so far away... Sean 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 20:14:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24941 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14937 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA06266 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:14:14 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id ECFIa28831; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:01:02 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:01:02 EST To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday Ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I might be up for it. Let's meet at Borders at Bowie, just south of the 50/301 junction on 301. Turn right at the Exxon if coming from 50 or turn left at the Exxon if coming from the South. Does meeting at 10 leaving at 10:45 seem ok? By the way, Jon another fellow and I took a young fellow who claims to be your step brother on a ride last Sunday. Don't know what moderately fast means but ask your step-brother if our pace was acceptable. I am the guy with the Blue ZX-9R if he asks. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 10 20:28:16 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.cw.net (pm04sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25199 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:28:14 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr23-dialup23.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.72.151]) by PM04SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33508) with SMTP id <0F3S00DPF1APUE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 01:25:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:26:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Sunday Ride? To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Message-id: <008a01be24a5$5a8ac440$974837a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Im off on Sunday for the first time since Ive been working at my current >employer, and to celebrate, I would love to take a ride or join one (weather >permitting). If anyone is up for it, please let me know... Im looking for a >moderately fast ride with some good sights, >Sean >98 TLR Hmm, I might be game............ Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 00:14:57 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28932 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.29]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:01:36 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: NYC Bus Trip (suggestions on deposit and video) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:05:47 -0500 Message-ID: <003401be24c3$ea23f400$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <199812101724.MAA16964@meretrix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I could definitely go for seeing that Rothwell tape. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 00:24:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29093 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18812 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11098 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:20:54 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Sunday Ride? Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:25:05 -0500 Message-ID: <004c01be24c6$9c106fc0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <663ba0c7.367061e1@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sounds good to me. I'd be up for a ride. Moderate pace? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 00:24:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29096 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18815 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11103 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:21:11 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: Sunday Ride? Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:25:13 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01be24c6$a11b5480$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I think I can do that. Not sure what 'moderately fast' means either, but I'm mature enough to bail if it gets to be too much. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 09:37:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08953 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24277 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA20390 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Dec 11 08:36 CST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA27877 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:35:51 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE24E9.7F3A9C40@XXXXXX>; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:34:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Gerbing vs. Widder Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:34:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been considering the 2 & I think I will eventually go with Gerbing due to, as Brian pointed out, the full lenth of the sleeves being heated and the fact that their gloves plug into the bottom of each sleeve. With widder you have to run the wire up both sleeves and around your back. I think that would be a pain. Just my $.02. Also, I've submitted a few questions via e-mail and they have always answered them. I was very impressed. Here is some important DISCOUNT and repair info. if you're going to order from Gerbing: (Taken from one of the e-mails I had submitted to them) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:50:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Question about repair From: "Jeff Gerbing" To: vfr 800 <> (The plastic liner was in reference to what the waterproofing/resitant method was of their waterproof vs. non-waterproof gloves) --John VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 10:03:01 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09382 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 317; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:55:42 -0500 Message-ID: <36701925.77D2F776@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:55:33 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Turn in a Cager :-) References: <4.1.19981210114121.00ff9f10@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > They wanted my name and phone no., the offending > vehicle's tag, make/description, year (just guessed), offense, and > location. > > Tres cool. > > Turn in a Cager ... Save a Life, > Chris Norloff Hmm, I'm wondering how much longer my commute would be in the morning if I rode through Falls Church first. ;) Sounds like fun. Might have to try it someday... ;) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 10:48:47 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10186 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:49:18 -0500 Message-ID: <36E76EA04A46D211ACD900204804F0CC99F0C5@rbmail101.chamb.disa.mil> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride? Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:49:16 -0500 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Late morning departure time sounds good -- the "chance of AM showers" may have passed and the temperature should be up a little. Tom M. -----Original Message----- From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 8:01 PM To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX; tl1000s@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride? I might be up for it. Let's meet at Borders at Bowie, just south of the 50/301 junction on 301. Turn right at the Exxon if coming from 50 or turn left at the Exxon if coming from the South. Does meeting at 10 leaving at 10:45 seem ok? By the way, Jon another fellow and I took a young fellow who claims to be your step brother on a ride last Sunday. Don't know what moderately fast means but ask your step-brother if our pace was acceptable. I am the guy with the Blue ZX-9R if he asks. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 11:01:41 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10440 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DV7VMDDS; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:01:14 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Foul Weather Gear Message-ID: <19981210.110156.7495.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:01:14 EST There's been talk recently of electric clothing. I was wondering what those of you who don't have electrics wear for riding in cold weather. Also, what do y'all wear in the rain? What works for you and what doesn't work? JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 11:38:39 1998 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11074 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id LAA01324 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id LAA01312 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:38:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id LAA22812 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from NCAIMAIL1 ([192.168.79.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id LAA22804 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:39:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812111639.LAA22804@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:36:00 -0500 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: RE: Foul Weather Gear To: Bikes R Us Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME << There's been talk recently of electric clothing. I was wondering what those of you who don't have electrics wear for riding in cold weather. Also, what do y'all wear in the rain? What works for you and what doesn't work? >> One word: Areostich. I just bought one and love it. Even when it was warm out the other week, open the vents, wear short sleeves, and I was quite comfortable. 98% waterproof, too. (Got to test this just the other day...) The fact that it has all sorts of padding and armour just make it that much more likeable. Only downside is that it isn't such a great thing to wear to the mall or groccery store unless you have a lockable bag to stuff it into. But for all day rides and commuting to work, it's great. When it gets cold, you definitly have to layer underneath it, so I'm thinking of adding an electric vest. However, it hasn't gotton cold enough for me to wear anything more than a heavy sweater and the areostich yet, and I ride in at about 4:30am. --Brad From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 11:58:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11427 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26253 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25478 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:57:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: HUMOR -- What to Post Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:57:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain At the risk of flaming, my apologies, but I couldn't resist. Mitch Q: How many listserv mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,331: 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. 53 to flame the spell checkers 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. 2 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here. 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. 1 to say that the real total is wrong. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 12:26:38 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11882 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:26:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812111726.MAA11882@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:26:02 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Foul Weather Gear Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:26:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) As a long time (well, 20+k miles) wearer of a 'Stich.. I can agree with Brad. It's a wonderful utility for touring, commuting, day-rides and such - not so great for the trip to the store, or out to dinner.. short trips. Though I used to use it all the time (don't onw one currently, looking to fix that) - you just find creative places to stuff it (or wear it and get looks). They claim 98% waterproofness.. that's BS, and a bit of it. It does a good job of repelling water in light drizzle all day, light rain for a few hours, and heavy rain for about 10 minutes - this is WITH aftermarket waterrepelent added. They leak in the crotch (water pools up there) and comes through the zippers.. If you're going to be riding in all-day rain, stop and put on normal rain-gear. As for warmth, I could usualy be very comfortable with 2~3 layers beneath the 'stich on cold (below freezing) mornings for my 45 minute commute - in the summer, shorts and a t-shirt served me well. It really is a versital tool - but other companies make similar suits (BMW/Motoport to name 2) that act/price differently.. As for what I wear now? Vanson jacket, flannel quilted shirt (liner), and something long-sleeve beneath that - jeans and if it's cold, long underwear for the legs - I can ride 2+hours before I need to stop for warmth (hands, I use 3/4 season gloves, no full winter jobs) in most any weather... Just my thoughts/opinions.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 12:33:27 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12034 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05500; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:56:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:13:09 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DCC2@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Bikes R Us'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Foul Weather Gear Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:13:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Layers!!! errr.. Thin Layers that is... When it gets really chilly (yesterday and to some extent, today) i generally wear long johns and my heavy leather pants on the bottom. On top I wear 1-2 long john shirts (very thin but warm) a thin sweatshirt and a heavy sweatshirt all under a generic leather coat. Sometimes I substitute two thin turtle necks for the lighter sweatshirt... Usually keep sme fairly warm for commuting without being too bulky. Fingers, toes and neck/chin still get pretty cold.. Only thing that will ever solve the fingers and toes is electrically operated appliances (I get cold fingers and toes in the summer too ) On Friday, December 11, 1998 11:15 AM, Bikes R Us [SMTP:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] wrote: > There's been talk recently of electric clothing. I was wondering what > those of you who don't have electrics wear for riding in cold weather. > Also, what do y'all wear in the rain? What works for you and what doesn't > work? > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 12:37:18 1998 Return-Path: ewinslow@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12124 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (ewinslow@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08239 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:37:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:37:13 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Winslow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Foul Weather Gear In-Reply-To: <199812111639.LAA22804@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, FAAS, BRAD wrote: > > << There's been talk recently of electric clothing. I was wondering what > those of you who don't have electrics wear for riding in cold weather. > Also, what do y'all wear in the rain? What works for you and what doesn't > work? >> > > One word: Areostich. > I've an Aerostich, but for the colder weather (below 40) I use a Spartan winter suit. These things go for $100 to $150 bucks and have plenty of room inside to layer. They are waterproof also. I remember coming off the Beltway after getting caught in a downpour, standing up on the pegs, and having a flood of water leave my lap. I was dry inside, though. If the Aerostich was big enough you could layer enough stuff underneath to get a similar effect, but my RoadCrafter does not take many layers before I can't move my limbs. The Darien might be better in this regard because it is designed to be a bit roomier. The Spartan has worked well for me in all weather, though. Even below 20 with a good 20 miles on 395. It doesn't have the crash protection of the Aerostich. Along with the suit goes a wrap around the neck and insulated work boots. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 12:38:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12127 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26981 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27504 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:38:29 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id LRXHa07123; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:47:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <86c167c.36714c93@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:47:15 EST To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Foul Weather Gear Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I wear a Hein Gericke Summit Jacket and liner over either a sweater or sweatshirt; MotoLine gloves (snowmobile gloves actually) with LL Bean cotton gloves underneath for extreme cold; Jeans (I'm gonna get the Hein Gericke pants to match the jacket someday!) with sweatpants underneath (blocks the wind with ease) and thermal underwear when required for extreme cold; scarf around my neck and sometimes a handkerchief over my chin (updraft from helmet); Columbia rain pants (also blocks wind very well). Though it may sound cumbersome, it's actually quite comfortable. And WARM!!! I used this combo of attire when I rode to Albany, NY during the Thanksgiving weekend. With temps in PA and NY in the low 30s (I saw snow and rode in sleet!!), I was comfortable enough to go 50-75 miles between stops (usually had to stop for food or gas anyway). Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 13:03:40 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12590 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AE781AC00DE; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:03:36 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981211125824.00fcc520@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:00:41 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Foul Weather Gear In-Reply-To: <19981210.110156.7495.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:01 AM 12/11/98 , Bikes R Us wrote: >There's been talk recently of electric clothing. I was wondering what >those of you who don't have electrics wear for riding in cold weather. >Also, what do y'all wear in the rain? What works for you and what doesn't >work? In the pre-civilized days when I rode without electrically heated clothing, I just layered a lot - dual-layer long underwear, wool or polar fleece, thin sweather, leathers, and a snowmobile suit over it all. For rain I used (and still do as backup) heavy duty sailor's raingear. Tops and bottoms run about $80 from discount marine stores, like West Marine in Alexandria. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 13:03:44 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12592 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AE751AC00DE; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:03:36 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981211130103.00fcac20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:02:45 -0500 To: Bikes R Us From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Foul Weather Gear Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: <199812111639.LAA22804@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:36 AM 12/11/98 , FAAS, BRAD wrote: >One word: Areostich. Only downside is that it isn't such a great thing to wear to >the mall or groccery store unless you have a lockable bag to stuff it >into. But for all day rides and commuting to work, it's great. I run a plastic-coated wire cable through the sleeve of my Aerostich and lock it to the bike (if I don't want to fold it into the saddlebag). Never had a problem. Most folks wouldn't want to steal it, 'cause it isn't a cool-looking leather jacket. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 13:06:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12678 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27437 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28585 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from HeilesenM.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil ([131.158.70.177]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA29342 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:05:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812111805.NAA29342@pop01.globecomm.net> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Sunday Ride to NIH Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:05:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Email Is Back Up!!!! I was worried that would not be able to post a reminder about the ride Sunday to the Children's Inn at NIH. It meets at 1130 Sunday in Layhill, MD. (Go north from the beltway on Georgia Ave [Hwy 97], and then branch to the right on Layhill Rd just past Randolf Rd [busy intersection with the fire department on your right]. Turn into the Layhill Shopping Center and look for the bikes.] Bring an unwrapped toy. (Ignore some of my misspellings, the "i" key doesn't work every time and the spell checker misses it sometimes.) Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 13:06:44 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (smtp-gw.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12681 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:06:43 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA26949 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07072 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:06:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812111806.NAA07072@shell.clark.net> Subject: widder w/ sleeves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:06:40 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Not that it will arrive in time for this winter, but Widder is currently designing/developing a full sleeve heated system, with connections to the gloves and all. The web page with information on this system is at http://www.widder.com/sleeve.htm Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 13:28:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13070 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:28:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27744 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:28:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29327 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 380 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:28:16 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19981211132801.02382ab0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:28:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Foul Weather Gear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A cage. =) At 11:01 AM 12/11/98 , you wrote: >There's been talk recently of electric clothing. I was wondering what >those of you who don't have electrics wear for riding in cold weather. >Also, what do y'all wear in the rain? What works for you and what doesn't >work? > >JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 13:50:13 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13489 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:50:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981211181528.1472.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send202.yahoomail.com; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:15:28 PST Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:15:28 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Looking for house to rent To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Scott (Coneboy) and I are looking for a house to rent in the Odenton area. The basic requirement is that it should have a garage and at least two bedrooms. Other than that, it doesn't matter if it's a house or duplex or townhouse or whatever. If you know of anything that we could use or if you know any real estate people, let us know. Pass the word to anyone who might have some info for us. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 13:52:24 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13499 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA21061 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:51:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981211185149.BNOU17484@toddnt> for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:51:49 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: More Closet Cleaning Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:53:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01be2537$7db167c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Answer the message, not me. FYI > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hsta@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-hsta@XXXXXX] > On Behalf Of GIGREENE@XXXXXX > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 11:21 PM > To: Honda Sport Touring Association > Subject: More Closet Cleaning > > > HSTA member and friend asked that I post this. He's become > computer challenged > at home and can't received list postings at work. Therefore, he has > temporarily unsubbed. Please contact him directly as indicated below for > further info. > > Widder "Lectric" vest (brand new), size 38. $75 > > Hein Gericke V-pilot pants (34) and V-pilot jacket (44); black. $375 > > Hein Gericke Califonia II jacket (44); black. $150 > > Spartan cold weather suit (2 pc., very used) (XL); black w/silver > retroreflective stripes. $55. > > I will package and ship. > Roger L. White > Please email inquiries to wti@XXXXXX > Evenings (After 5:00 P.M. EST) PLEASE CALL (423) 694-4635 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 14:00:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13673 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28154 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02135 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11398 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:00:50 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id NNNVa20899 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:54:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:54:14 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Bicycle computers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Someone on the list, (Collin?), was recently discussing cheap bicycle computers.....How do they "interface" with your machine? How are they calibrated? How much do they cost? Thanks for the info. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 14:17:08 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13994 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA31045; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981211191520.BSAS17484@toddnt>; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:15:20 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Bikes R Us" , Subject: RE: Foul Weather Gear Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:16:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be253a$c6874fc0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19981210.110156.7495.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal I ride an ST1100 with a rather tall windscreen, but it wasn't always so. The biggest heat thief in cold weather is air. When air is wind and it gets to your skin, you will get cold...d'uh, right? So the answer is to keep as much of the cold air off your skin as you can. Like I said, I ride behind a faired moto and that keeps a goodly amount of air off of me. I have a Darien Jacket and (thanks to some of our kind listers) a fleece liner with a windbreak on one side. On particularly chilly days (around 20 degrees), I put on another thin windbreaker. My legs are hidden behind the fairing which shrouds the engine, so I'm getting a little bit of warmth there (though I did buy a full-body undergarment for this year). The hands are my biggest concern. I may end up buying some electric gloves, or the Kimpex grip heaters made for snowmobiles. If you aren't behind a fairing, raingear works well to keep the wind off. There have been times I've stuffed and wrapped myself in newspaper to keep it off. It worked, but not everywhere. Spartan makes a full body winter suit that really works well to keep the wind off (about $150). I have one for sale. I'll find out the size and let y'all know. Speaking of raingear, I have never found any gear that could keep me completely dry. Trouble areas are invariably the crotch, neck and lower sleeves. After 15+ years of year round riding, I've just accepted that I WILL get wet. Sometimes I don't even stop to don the gear if I know I'll be home in a couple minutes or if I believe I will pass under it soon. I do keep a pair of rain mittens handy to put over my gloves though. They don't keep the wet out, but they do keep the warmth in. Worth $8/pair. Todd > > There's been talk recently of electric clothing. I was wondering what > those of you who don't have electrics wear for riding in cold weather. > Also, what do y'all wear in the rain? What works for you and what doesn't > work? > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 14:28:16 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (send201.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14209 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:28:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981211192257.8752.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send201.yahoomail.com; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:22:57 SGT Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:22:57 +0800 (SGT) From: Ray Subject: To the Glen Burnie veterans: Finally go the cards! To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, not yet, but I'm picking them up today. I'll get them typed up and mailed out next week. I also received official notification that our course has been officially deactivated, so there will be no more here. I'm working on the Army Reserve across the street. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 14:53:11 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14630 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:53:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:54:37 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:53:59 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, raymondlucas@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Looking for house to rent Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yes. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Scooter (Coneboy) >>> Ray 12/11/98 01:15PM >>> Scott (Coneboy) and I are looking for a house to rent in the Odenton area. The basic requirement is that it should have a garage and at least two bedrooms. Other than that, it doesn't matter if it's a house or duplex or townhouse or whatever. If you know of anything that we could use or if you know any real estate people, let us know. Pass the word to anyone who might have some info for us. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 14:54:12 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14633 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DV8AWCSE; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:53:20 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another Gear Question Message-ID: <19981210.143510.7807.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:53:20 EST I'm amazed at both the similarities and the differences in everyone's riding clothes. Now what do you guys/gals do for crash protection when you wear cold weather suits and/or raingear which have no crash protection built into them? Cross your fingers? JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 15:03:56 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14815 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA30897 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981211200312.CBEB17484@toddnt> for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:03:12 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Shopping, No Moto Content Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:04:30 -0500 Message-ID: <001001be2541$764d6c40$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Seeing most of you reading this are computer geeks (assumption is you spend inordinate hours online), can anyone suggest reputable electronic commerce? Getting close to Christmas and I don't think I want to venture out with the throngs, so if anyone has suggestions as to good to excellent shopping sites on the web, I'm all ears. Thanks In Advance (TIA)! Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 15:06:18 1998 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14902 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:06:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981211200744.17788.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send206.yahoomail.com; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:07:44 PST Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:07:44 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Re: Another Gear Question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wear the rain gear over your leather....and as collinn stated I wear layers under the leather to keep warm...no electric B.S. for moi... ---Bikes R Us wrote: > > I'm amazed at both the similarities and the differences in everyone's > riding clothes. Now what do you guys/gals do for crash protection when > you wear cold weather suits and/or raingear which have no crash > protection built into them? Cross your fingers? > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 15:25:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15239 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29500 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06300 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:25:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12786 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA24900; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:24:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981211202457.CFNV17484@toddnt>; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:24:57 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Bicycle computers Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: <001101be2544$7fab5010$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Not sure if Collin actually has one of these puppies :) ..Ooooh, puppies ;) It works just like it would if you were to attach it to your bicycle. Locate the computer (display) in a way such that you can glance at it without taking your eyes off the road for very long. The computer is detacheable from a mount (goes on bicycle handlebars) which is attached to a magnetic field sensor via very thin gauge wire. You will no doubt need to lengthen this wire for your application. On a bicycle you would normally attach the magnet and sensor to the front wheel spoke and fork, respectively. You'd then wrap the excess wiring around the fork, up the goosneck (they still call it that?) and around the handlebars to the computer mount. I did it differently. I figured all the fork play and road debris would eventually wear the wiring if I mounted the sensor and magnet to the front end. So, I located both to the back wheel. I made an extension bracket for the sensor to get close enough to the magnet so that it would work. Since I have a tall fairing, I fashioned another bracket to locate the mount to. It's actually in the lower left fielf of view of my windscreen. I believe Kirk Roy mounted his to his clutch fluid resevoir, and John K. velcroed his to the instrument panel (I think). The instructions tell you how to program the circumference of your wheel (furthest diameter edge of your tire) and then enter the results in milimeters. I daubed a bit of paint on the back wheel, rolled forward until I had two marks on the pavement and measured the distance, converting to milimeters. Works great! I think I paid too much at REI ($32) for the BC800. The later models offer cadence readings, but who's peddling anyway. I wish there was a backlit model with a switch. You can't use what is available now at night, unless you can figur a way to rig lighting. Boy, I'm feeling wordy today. I think I picked up Collins Oky Talking disease....words, words, words. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX [mailto:Eternity23@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 1:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bicycle computers > > > Someone on the list, (Collin?), was recently discussing cheap bicycle > computers.....How do they "interface" with your machine? How are they > calibrated? How much do they cost? Thanks for the info. > > -Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 15:28:57 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15313 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA17674; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981211202458.CFNY17484@toddnt>; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:24:58 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Bikes R Us" , Subject: RE: Another Gear Question Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:26:15 -0500 Message-ID: <001201be2544$8082c450$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19981210.143510.7807.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal Well I know some people that don't wear any crash protection other than what is required by law. I think the answer is that in addition to the layers and oversuits, you wear what you would normally wear to protect yourself. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Bikes R Us [mailto:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 2:53 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Another Gear Question > > > I'm amazed at both the similarities and the differences in everyone's > riding clothes. Now what do you guys/gals do for crash protection when > you wear cold weather suits and/or raingear which have no crash > protection built into them? Cross your fingers? > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 15:52:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15735 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00076 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA07424 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:52:07 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA18689; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:53:37 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018428; Fri, 11 Dec 98 15:52:53 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F3T00C0ZJB831@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566D7.00723517 ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:47:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:59:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Foul Weather Gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566D7.00687608.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Bottom: Spartan bib pants over long johns and jeans, USAF Arctic-issue combat boots w/ wool socks. Top: Motoport canyon jacket with liner over turtleneck and sweatshirt. Aerostich wind triangle. Gloves: Have a dozen pairs or so (including mittens), nothing worked very well until I tried electrics. Thinking sunny warm thoughts, chris At 11:01 AM 12/11/98 , you wrote: >There's been talk recently of electric clothing. I was wondering what >those of you who don't have electrics wear for riding in cold weather. >Also, what do y'all wear in the rain? What works for you and what doesn't >work? > >JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 16:03:15 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15918 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A88F38D00BA; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:03:11 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981211160440.00fc1b40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:05:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another Gear Question In-Reply-To: <19981210.143510.7807.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:53 PM 12/11/98 , Bikes R Us wrote: >I'm amazed at both the similarities and the differences in everyone's >riding clothes. Now what do you guys/gals do for crash protection when >you wear cold weather suits and/or raingear which have no crash >protection built into them? Cross your fingers? Questions, questions, questions! Answer -- buy an Aerostich product! - Roadcrafter or Darien, and you're pretty much set. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 18:27:34 1998 Return-Path: SSulliva@XXXXXX Received: from sds.zai.com (sds.zai.com [207.22.107.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA18246 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ulysses.va.ftenergyusa.com by sds.zai.com via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 23:24:29 UT Received: by ulysses.va.ftenergyusa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: <714E1F975174D211A6DE00A0C9E1D601042B51@ulysses.va.ftenergyusa.com> From: "Sullivan, Sean" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Foul Weather Gear Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:26:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The DC-Cycles shirt will keep you warm and dry all by itself, although you should wear your normal protective gear over top. Outrageous advertising? I'm trying to get you guys to get your orders in so that I can send a batch to the shop. I need about 50 shirts to get the price I quoted ($10 for one shirt S-XL, $12 for XXL-XXXXL). We had takers for about 60 shirts when I first sized things up. As it stands, I don't think we're going to have them by Christmas. My apologies, but we could get them soon after if I get the orders. Send your check and your shirt specs (quantity, size, color) to: Sean Sullivan 1813 37th St., N.W. Washington, DC 20007 To answer a frequently asked question, you will be able to pick them up when I bring them to rides, parties and other events around the area. I will make a point to attend several. Or you can pick them up at my place if you're near the city and I'm at home. I'm changing jobs, so will be unsubscribing for about a week, but if you have any burning questions you can call me at home at 202-298-7875. Andale, andale! Sean -----Original Message----- From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX [mailto:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 11:01 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Foul Weather Gear There's been talk recently of electric clothing. I was wondering what those of you who don't have electrics wear for riding in cold weather. Also, what do y'all wear in the rain? What works for you and what doesn't work? JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 19:39:45 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19285 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.128]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 310; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:38:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3671BBC8.5276149D@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:41:44 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another Gear Question References: <4.1.19981211160440.00fc1b40@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My biggest complaint with the Aerostich (or other synthetic moto gear) at this point is it's durability. Seems to me that a good Stich will protect the rider pretty well in a nasty crash, *ONCE*. This is both good and bad. The suit is pretty much used up abrading away on a long slide on asphalt. Too much damage? Gotta buy another one. After seeing racers do some serious butt surfing at Summit Point and walk away with nothing more than scuffed leathers, I don't know that I want to drop $700-$800 on a disposable riding suit. Agreed, it's better than the jeans & jacket I typically wear, I just wish the prices were more reasonable. Crashing sucks, no matter how you look at it. I'm not flaming Aerostich per se, I understand their customer service is phenomenal, and the quality of their clothing is top notch for everyday riding, I'm just not convinced it's the end all and be all of moto clothing yet. Chris Norloff wrote: > Answer -- buy an Aerostich product! - Roadcrafter or Darien, and > you're pretty much set. > > Chris Norloff -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 20:17:30 1998 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19878 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:17:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-70-161.s161.tnt11.brd.erols.com [207.172.70.161]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA23622; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:18:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" , "CBR_LIST" Subject: As the Sh*t hits the fan (continued) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:16:50 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01be256d$1858fa60$5242accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Day 21 and the bike is sitting outside, but not all is well. Rick at Fast Lanes determined that the voltage regulator is failing intermittently. It would cost me $165 plus labor for them to do the work, but he convinced the Honda shop of the problem and they agreed to replace it under warranty. The only rub is that they don't have the part in stock, but expect it to be delivered on Wednesday/Thursday. It only takes a half hour or so to do the replacement, so they'll do it while I wait. An additional rub is that I have to work in Beltsville Tuesday through Thursday next week and getting to Manassas in the evening is a bit tricky. With the jet kit, it now dynos at 87.5hp and sounds smoother and a little quieter. I can't actually ride it as the broken throttle tube has come loose and the throttle spins with no effect. So, tomorrow, I have to take it apart and attempt a repair. And I have more lighting problems, but I'm not worried about those. I'd like to ride it tomorrow afternoon (with only a voltmeter hooked up) to check out the power curve and the new brakes and lines. More tomorrow... LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 21:52:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21252 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA04589 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA17822 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:52:29 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id AYFZa05304 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:39:13 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <2e093efd.3671d751@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:39:13 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sunday Ride2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Ok, well, havent seen the weather for sunday as I have no cable, but Im still up for a ride, Ive been thinking about it, and well, Im pretty sure its gonna be hella cold out there in the mountains, so, if anyone objects to western md, I wont mind =). So, Im taking suggestions. As for a meeting place, I believe we agreed on some restaraunt(cant remember name?) just south of Rt50 just off of 301. If coming from 50, go south on 301, and take a right at the exxon(first light I believe). Hell, if all else fails, just wait at the exxon, Im sure you wont miss us. Meet time - 10am, leaving by 10:30, 10:45, depending how many of us actually make it on time( I'll probably be guilty of this). Im packing up some warm/wet gear too, as well as a full tank of gas, This is MY sunday off, and dammit Im gonna have fun rain or shine! =) See you all there Sean... From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 11 22:18:25 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21640 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-16.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.57]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA05937 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:18:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be257d$c7ca0d80$3910b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Chilly gear + Cycles USA Open House Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:15:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Adding tidbits to the chilly gear gab -- o Learned today that Cycles USA (Connecticut & Georgia; Silver Spring) *newly a Gerbings dealer* is having an open house Sat. a week (the 19th). 301 460 1600. (Gerbings discounts?) (Hoop de doo -- Santa too!) o While a relative MC winter newbie am finding lessons from the past (and good tips from lists) keeping me fairly toasty at cruiser speeds. Tall windshield, full face helmet, balaclava, leather-sheathed ski mittens, stowed plastic bags/rubber bands for cold/wet emergencies. o Am also an Aerostitch disciple. So many problems solved. (Have used up to 95 deg.) Have entry/exit down to the 15 second range. Long zipper pulls help. Below 35 deg. plan to pull on a snowmobile-type cover over the 'stitch. Second the cable solution to securing while parked. o A note. Do not let this happen to you in really cold weather. The scene: running errands today. Dismount bike, leave helmet on bike. As walking to store, stuff mittens next to chest under partially zipped 'stitch to keep warm (old skiing habit). Go to restroom. Pull zipper further down. Use toilet. Reach down to flush. Mittens fall out into toilet, fortunately quick retrieval prevents total inside soaking. Spend several minutes cleaning up. Have thoughts about how awful this could have been if on highway trip in *cold*. (What to do? Possibly stuff paper in mittens, cover with plastic bags.) (Apologies to any taking offense to this vignette.) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 frisky in the forties Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 12 00:12:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23312 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA06677 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA19856 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.29]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:09:19 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Sunday Ride2 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:13:44 -0500 Message-ID: <005b01be258e$30f37d40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <2e093efd.3671d751@aol.com> Might want to check that Exxon anyway, as some of us might be topping off the tank there. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 12 00:22:39 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23480 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.29]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:09:16 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" , Subject: RE: Foul Weather Gear Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:13:42 -0500 Message-ID: <005901be258e$2f3f1680$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <19981210.110156.7495.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Regular jacket: Belfast Waxed cotton. Works in rain, snow, etc. Works really well in rain, BTW. When it gets cold out, I start adding layers. First the jacket liner. Then a sweater. Then a fleece liner from my skiing vest. Haven't been out when I've needed more than that (tolerable at 30 degrees F at night, BTW) Oh, and for the legs, ski pants and long johns. My feet almost never get cold. And for the hands, I go from regular, summer weight gloves to some leather 'outback' type gloves (sold in ski shops for people doing out of bounds skiing). That and the heated grips wicked all the way up. I suppose this is all sorta foolish, given that I have the accessory socket for a heated vest/jacket already. But, Angie got the vest:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 12 01:29:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA24426 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA07373 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA20719 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.21]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:25:42 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: A crying shame... Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:30:09 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01be2598$dd469640$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I like hacks as much as the next guy. But this is a crime (it's a small pick, but if you squint) http://www.motoventure.com/SFGTNSidecar916.jpg ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 12 03:23:58 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA26965 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:25:59 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:03:55 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:00:19 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bike.dealer@XXXXXX Subject: Foul Weather Gear -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline 20 (5 without a cage and I hate the bus!) years of riding in the Great White North (Minnesota) forced me to evolve an effective cold-weather riding system. Some of this stuff is expensive, but I'm talking extreme conditions here. The basis is a Hein Gericke Dakar jacket and leather snowmobiling bibs. I truly believe the Dakar (with liner in) is the warmest jacket you can buy, even better than most snowmo jackets because of its length. The bibs are great because they extend up the chest to about armpit level. They don't have to be leather; mine are cuz I got a big discount after working a Polaris photo shoot in the Tetons. Check Dennis Kirk Snomo catalog for both nylon and leather examples. Jeans and wool sweater under the leather, polypro or silk longies under that. Feet: polypro liners inside fleece or wool socks inside insulated work boots. Hands: polypro liners inside Olympia Thinsulate leather gauntlets on top of heated grips. Polypro balaclava under helmet to inside jacket. Wool scarf wrapped around neck (tuck ends inside jacket). Rain? If I'm dressed like this, it be too cold to rain. Otherwise, I like the Dry Rider 285 1-piece (with apologies to fat guys). Joe (much warmer now) From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 12 10:05:34 1998 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05546 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05423 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:05:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212100227.008e0ca0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:02:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Foul Weather Gear In-Reply-To: <19981210.110156.7495.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:01 AM 12/11/98 EST, Bikes R Us wrote: >There's been talk recently of electric clothing. I was wondering what >those of you who don't have electrics wear for riding in cold weather. >Also, what do y'all wear in the rain? What works for you and what doesn't >work? When I was going to college in New Haven I went about a year or so where I didn't have a car and only had my bikes to commute. On a couple of occasions I got caught in snow, freezing rain, etc. I used a one piece Henry Lloyd ocean racing suit designed for Whitbread racers. It was the "Maxi" suit so named after the class of boats. When it comes to keeping the wet weather out, nothing I've seen in motorcycle apparel comes close to high end marine foul weather gear. Literally there where a couple of times I walked into class with ice on the outside, while I was sweating from the walk on the inside. Unfortunately the marine grade stuff is not designed for crash worthiness. I think I paid about $300 for it back in about '83 and I still have it today, in great shape. Comparable stuff goes for about $500 - $700 today. Real pricey, but there simply is nothing like it for holding the elements at bay. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 12 16:21:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10895 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16273 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00711 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-131.s131.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.131]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24409 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:21:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3672DD69.C771F11C@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:17:29 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Sidecar hack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man George, you weren't kidding! Someone needs to be punished for high crimes against the motorcycling community! :) Hard to tell if that's really a 916 under that fiberglass though.. kinda looks like the front end of that super high dollar BMW hack that was in the mags a couple of summers back... maybe someone go tcreative with the fiberglass.... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 12 18:54:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13165 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA17705 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02722 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:54:12 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UYa0029919 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:53:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:53:29 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sunday ride... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well, it never fails. Just when you get a good thing going, work has to interfere. Seems Im not going to be off tomorrow, I have to work all day. The schedule that was up all this week wasnt up today, it was a revised schedule that was just posted. And well, anyway... Im sorry I'll have to miss it. Maybe next weekend. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 13 00:01:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17838 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:01:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA21037 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA06863 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:01:37 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr50-dialup42.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.106]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33510) with SMTP id <0F3W003O50LMJC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 05:01:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:02:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Sunday ride... To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001201be2655$c31ebdc0$6a4f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Well, it never fails. Just when you get a good thing going, work has to >interfere. Seems Im not going to be off tomorrow, I have to work all day. >The schedule that was up all this week wasnt up today, it was a revised >schedule that was just posted. And well, anyway... Im sorry I'll have to miss >it. Maybe next weekend. >Sean... You suck dude....... Jon From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 13 00:19:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18075 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA21648 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA07127 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:16:32 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Sunday ride... Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:21:12 -0500 Message-ID: <006b01be2658$664618c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Similar story here. Since I got paroled today to go see the new K12LT at Morton's (NICE Wing replacement. Look out Honda. Can't wait to see the 2000 GL, especially since there's so much competition now) I have to cater to Angela tomorrow:( If I tell myself it would be too cold and rainy to ride, that's sour grapes, right? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 13 11:54:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29304 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA27329 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA12524 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA13078; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:54:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:54:31 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: local biker killed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Libby Hatch was killed in a bike wreck last week at Quantico. Does anyone know more about what happened? --garcia From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 13 16:17:56 1998 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03268 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-119-87.s87.tnt2.brd.erols.com [207.172.119.87]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA27191 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:17:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: local biker killed Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:17:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be26dd$f922fc00$5777accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I found this: LT Elizabeth Hatch Dies Vietnam Vets Fund Official Thursday, December 10, 1998; Page C06 Elizabeth Denison "Libby" Hatch, 43, who for the last seven years was director of special projects for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund, died in a motorcycle accident Dec. 6 at the Quantico Marine Corps Base. Ms. Hatch and a companion were traveling on separate motorcycles when Ms. Hatch lost control of her vehicle and was thrown to the shoulder of the road, a Marine Corps spokesman said. She was taken by a Navy ambulance to Potomac Mills Hospital in Woodbridge and pronounced dead. As special projects director, Ms. Hatch coordinated the annual Memorial Day and Veterans Day ceremonies at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. She assisted in organizing anniversary observances of the memorial in cities across the country, and she served as a liaison to veterans groups. She led an effort to have the fund's replica of the memorial displayed in Ireland. The replica is to tour Ireland in February. Ms. Hatch, who was a native of Greenwich, Conn., attended St. Johns College in Annapolis and graduated from Emerson College. In Washington, where she had lived since 1976, Ms. Hatch worked early in her career as a graphic artist for the Chronicle of Higher Education, Education Week, Unicorn Graphics and other publications. She also was a part-time fitness instructor and personal trainer for the National Capital YMCA. Survivors include her parents, Denison and Louise Hatch of Wilmington, Del.; two brothers, Denison Hatch of Wilmington and Ted Hatch of Oak Park, Ill.; and two sisters, Bonnie Harrison of Hingham, Mass., and Mimi Barnett of Tuscaloosa, Ala. © Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company -----Original Message----- From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, December 13, 1998 11:55 AM To: dc-cycle Subject: local biker killed Libby Hatch was killed in a bike wreck last week at Quantico. Does anyone know more about what happened? --garcia From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 07:47:28 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17838 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:47:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812141247.HAA17838@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:47:10 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Another Gear Question Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:46:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > -----Original Message----- > > > My biggest complaint with the Aerostich (or other synthetic > moto gear) at this point is it's durability. Seems to me that > a good Stich will protect the rider pretty well in a nasty crash, > *ONCE*. This is both good and bad. The suit is pretty much used up > abrading away on a long slide on asphalt. Too much damage? > Gotta buy > another one. > > After seeing racers do some serious butt surfing at > Summit Point and walk away with nothing more than scuffed leathers, > I don't know that I want to drop $700-$800 on a disposable riding > suit. Actually, they hold up a fair bit better than leather does in the even of a serious get-off.. Leather just doesn't show the shredding quite as much. So you send the suit back to 'Stich and have them sew in some replacement pieces (just like the racers do with their leathers - only MUCH cheaper with the 'Stich). I see those 'Spartain' cold weather suits as disposable, most thigns cordoura ('Stich, Motoport, Teknic, etc) will stand up rather well for several get-offs (and if you're crashing enough that the price is an issue, maybe you should reevaluate your riding skills). Personally, I'm not going to buy another 'Stich - they may have a slightly superior product, but the price savings on the 'lower shelf' Motoport/Teknic products (which still do a VERY good job of protection/weather resistance) make a bigger impact ($300 for a complete, buy it in my local shop Teknic suit VS. $800+ for a buy-it-blind 'Stich). But those are just my opinons.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 08:18:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18283 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09910 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29956 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:18:45 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC391368B00@ZEUS.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: As the Sh*t hits the fan (continued) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:18:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) <> The only rub is that they don't have the part in stock, but expect it to be delivered on Wednesday/Thursday. Sorry to hear about the problems with your bike. Most of the smaller bike repair shops keep a small inventory of parts. If I want to help speed up the process, I'll call Coleman Powersports in Falls Church to see if they have the part in stock. If they do, I'll call the repair shop and ask if they wouldn't mind if I would supply the parts for them to do the work. A lot of times, I've found that the cost of the part is less at Coleman because they do so much business. However, I've had a couple of bad experiences with their repair shop - probably because they do so much business. But, they've been a great resource for getting parts. Tony CBR 600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 08:33:09 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18518 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A39142E0258; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:33:05 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981214082555.00ff0180@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:32:53 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another Gear Question Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3671BBC8.5276149D@tidalwave.net> References: <4.1.19981211160440.00fc1b40@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:41 PM 12/11/98 , Dale Horstman wrote: >My biggest complaint with the Aerostich (or other synthetic >moto gear) at this point is it's durability. Seems to me that >a good Stich will protect the rider pretty well in a nasty crash, >*ONCE*. This is both good and bad. The suit is pretty much used up >abrading away on a long slide on asphalt. Too much damage? Gotta buy >another one. > >After seeing racers do some serious butt surfing at >Summit Point and walk away with nothing more than scuffed leathers, >I don't know that I want to drop $700-$800 on a disposable riding >suit. I understand your point. For pure sliding-on-asphalt nothing can beat leather. However, the Aerostich (Roadcrafter) is better for me because it's easy to don and doff, is pretty much weather proof, and I can wear it over my ordinary clothes. As a result, I wear it ALL the time. (I've noticed lots of folks who prefer leather don't wear it all the time they ride.) Leather is not weather proof, and is typically harder to don and doff (especially the pants). Yes, Aerostich stuff is expensive, but so are body parts. It's a lot of money now, but you'd pay it in a heartbeat if you believed it would save an injury. As always, YMMV, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 09:06:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19050 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10389 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00665 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Mon Dec 14 08:06 CST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA20158 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:06:30 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE2740.F9704FB0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:06:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:06:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, I installed the BMW socket on the VFR and it went smoothly! I placed it just behind the operator on the left side above and forward of the passenger footpeg. Does anyone know if BMW makes 10amp fuses for these sockets? I assume an auto type bullet fuse won't fit in there. I am also not certain what gauge the wire is so maybe 10amps is too much for it. (I'm really only looking to carry 8 1/3 amps; it comes with an 8 amp) I would like an opinion on the following: I am semi-planning on electrifying a pair of long underwear. Should I instead look to something which would be worn OVER my Joe Rocket pants? Background: I normally wear tights against my skin, then would come the electro underwear, then the Joe Rocket pants. I'm thinking this would be too hot. Opinions??? --John From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 09:52:34 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19790 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:52:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812141452.JAA19790@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 06:45:33 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: As the Sh*t hits the fan (continued) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 06:40:35 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I don't know where Honda people are going to buy their reg/rec. units - but I bought one this summer, overnight, from Cycles USA for $80 (that included shipping, which was $15). I installed it in 5 minutes outside their shop with just the tools I carry on my bike. They are not hard to replace, and not really that expensive. You can run the bike without a light and turnsignals for a LONG time on the battery (obviously, winter with early dark kinda hinders your riding like this)... It just seems that a big deal is being made out of the situation (I understand the frustration though - when I bought the Reg/Rec - it was actualy the stator that was bad - took me over a week to get everything all figured out). Anyway.. best of luck.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 09:52:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19788 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10988 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA01804 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A60B3BE069A; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:51:55 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981214095430.01adb440@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:58:49 -0500 To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I normally wear tights against my skin, then would come the electro >underwear, then the Joe Rocket pants. >I'm thinking this would be too hot. Yeah, I reckon you'd look pretty hot ... depending on where you go! Oh ... Sounds like it should work. You want at least one layer between you and the heating elements. Most folks I know prefer two t-shirts, or a shirt and a t-shirt. If the heating elements are too close to your skin they can leave little red marks, or even burn in some cases. Thick long underwear, or maybe one of the Duofold variety (2 layers of polypro & wool) would be good. The heated clothing needs to be inside your outer layer, or you'll probably never feel the heat. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 10:41:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20539 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:41:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11829 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibmmail.COM (ibmmail.com [204.146.168.193]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA03403 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:41:42 -0500 (EST) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 0688 ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:41:37 EST Received: from mail1.dominionsc.com [32.72.67.7] by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:41:22 EST Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566DA.005628FC ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:41:05 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566DA.00559951.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:40:00 -0500 Subject: Cold/ Wet gear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I have found neoprene gloves work well for cold and wet riding. They certainly do not offer crash protection, but do provide very good finger dexterity and comfort. I bought mine from LL Bean. They are designed for Whitewater kayaking. I looked at the personal watercraft gloves on the market too, but they were thinner and shorter. The pair I have go a couple inches up the wrist and velcro closed. I have seen less expensive, lesser quality, but similar gloves in the Sporting goods section at Walmarts. Dave From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 10:43:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20614 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11878 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:43:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03500 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DWFKKVGJ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:39:35 EST To: jcarver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions Message-ID: <19981213.104021.8119.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,13-14,21-24,27 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:39:35 EST On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:06:01 -0500 "Carver, John" writes: >Background: > >I normally wear tights against my skin, then would come the electro >underwear, then the Joe Rocket pants. >I'm thinking this would be too hot. > >Opinions??? I would say that you'd better use electrics with a variable resistance switch (like a rotary-style dimmer switch) or you're going to arrive at your destination with grill marks on your backside that would shame a Burger King Whopper (or Whopper Jr, if you're a small guy). All kidding aside, I think you'd be happier if the heat source was further from the skin. Have you ever put on a pair of jeans fresh out of the dryer? The warmth feels really nice as you pull them up your legs...until you button the fly and the superheated metal rivets raise welts up your happy trail. Ummm...I mean...I'll bet they WOULD raise welts...not that I would know or anything...I mean, well...that's what I've heard anyway. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us I guess what I'm saying is maybe you should look at electrifying someting else. Why not the Joe Rocket pants themselves, if you don't want to add another layer to your outfit? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 10:47:55 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20693 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA07481; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981214154718.GZHK19548@toddnt>; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:47:18 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: RE: Another Gear Question Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:48:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be2779$36b8f650$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3671BBC8.5276149D@tidalwave.net> Disagree! Dale Horstman wrote: > > My biggest complaint with the Aerostich (or other synthetic > moto gear) at this point is it's durability. Seems to me that > a good Stich will protect the rider pretty well in a nasty crash, > *ONCE*. This is both good and bad. The suit is pretty much used up > abrading away on a long slide on asphalt. Too much damage? Gotta buy > another one. I will surmise that a nasty crash in an Aerostitch that results in having to buy a new one because of "too much damage" has actually saved you many thousands of $$$$'s, skin grafts and time away from riding had you simply been wearing jeans and a jacket. > > After seeing racers do some serious butt surfing at > Summit Point and walk away with nothing more than scuffed leathers, > I don't know that I want to drop $700-$800 on a disposable riding > suit. > You could go this way and spend anywhere from $500 (used) to over $2,000 for leather. No rain protection. Hot as hell in the summer. Constantly look like you are racing. I do agree however that leather is by far a superior protection against abrasion, but unless you ride like ricky racer all the time, the 'stitch will do the job just as well. > Agreed, it's better than the jeans & jacket I typically wear, I > just wish the prices were more reasonable. I know you Dale. You wish they were free! ;) > > Crashing sucks, no matter how you look at it. I'm not flaming > Aerostich per se, I understand their customer service is phenomenal, > and the quality of their clothing is top notch for everyday riding, > I'm just not convinced it's the end all and be all of moto clothing yet. I am convinced that for the $$$'s RiderWearhouse offers a supior product. I haven't heard of any comparable product for the money yet. My .02, and ymmv. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 10:47:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20692 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11908 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03583 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DWFKXU24; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:46:08 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions Message-ID: <19981213.104644.8119.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19981214095430.01adb440@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-7,10-12 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:46:08 EST On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:58:49 -0500 Chris Norloff writes: >The heated clothing needs to be inside your outer layer, or you'll probably never feel >the heat. > >Chris Norloff Of course this makes sense. I didn't think clearly when I responded just now suggesting you heat the Joe Rockets. Glad somebody's on the ball while I'm over hear cracking weak jokes. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 10:48:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20697 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11930 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA03631 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:48:38 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA08164; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:44:46 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma007718; Mon, 14 Dec 98 10:43:38 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F3Y00LXPOZSP5@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566DA.0055E32B ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:38:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:12:31 -0500 Subject: Re: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <852566DA.00536109.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL This is esp. true with the widder gloves. I wear light cotton glove inserts underneath them. Don't need the inserts for added warmth as much as to prevent the little red welts that Chris mentions. They also make great liners that keep your gloves fresh. When the liners get soiled (from sweat, etc.), just wash them ... gloves stay good as new. --chris From: Chris Norloff Date: 12/14/98 02:58:49 PM GMT Subject: Re: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions --snip-- Sounds like it should work. You want at least one layer between you and the heating elements. --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 10:57:58 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from imtest3.mcit.com (imtest3.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20920 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:57:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by imtest3.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA26551 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981214155722.HBXW19548@toddnt> for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:57:22 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Winter Gear for sale Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:58:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be277a$9ed73570$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <005901be258e$2f3f1680$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> I mentioned last week that I have a Spartan winter jumpsuit I no longer use, for sale. It is an XL and is nice and warm even on an unfaired bike. The crotch stitching is coming loose (about 1.25 inches) and can be easily repaired. Other than that, it's in good shape. $75 firm. Email private if you're interested. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 11:07:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21090 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12258 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04224 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08323; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:08:04 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DCD3@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Bikes R Us'" , jcarver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:08:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yes and No all in the same sentence. A variable resistor, i.e. a rheostat makes good sense for regulating the heat. However, adding a light dimmer switch will do you no good, as it is not a variable resistor! Think about it..resistors heat up to take care of the extra power not going out to the circuit. Now go feel the wall around the dimmer switch on your mood lights at home...nice and cool, huh? That's because a dimmer switch uses a Silicon Coated Rectifier (SCR). Basically, it clips portions of the sine wave of alternating current...won't work on DC... Collin (yet more from a wealth of useless knowledge :)) On Monday, December 14, 1998 10:54 AM, Bikes R Us [SMTP:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] wrote: > I would say that you'd better use electrics with a variable resistance > switch (like a rotary-style dimmer switch) or you're going to arrive at > your destination with grill marks on your backside that would shame a > Burger King Whopper (or Whopper Jr, if you're a small guy). > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 11:34:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21588 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:34:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12613 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05127 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AE1910600298; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:34:33 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981214113510.01aec0a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:41:11 -0500 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19981213.104644.8119.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19981214095430.01adb440@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>The heated clothing needs to be inside your outer layer, or you'll >probably never feel the heat. >>Chris Norloff > >Of course this makes sense. I didn't think clearly when I responded just >now suggesting you heat the Joe Rockets. Glad somebody's on the ball >while I'm over hear cracking weak jokes. >JohnDavid@Bikes R Us Actually I was speaking very literally - as long as the heating elements (the wires) are inside the outer layer, you'll get the heat. So you could electrify the pants as long as the wires are between the leather and your legs. Sewing the wired into the lining of leather pants would probably work well. Wear something like thick polypropylene long underwear for layering and to keep the wires off your skin. Gerbing has told me that they'll wire anything you send them. All that said, I'd probably opt for Widder heated chaps, or get Gerbing's heated suit (not sure if they make separate pants). I would generally prefer to have separate items that I put together that work, rather than putting everything in one integrated package. (For example, my Aerostich desperately needs all new zippers [gee, they lasted only 5 years, 3 of which were commuting daily!]. Problem is, since I wear it daily, how do I get it to Minnesota for a re-fitting!). oh these trials and tribulations of modern life, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 12:34:55 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22643 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 324; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:33:10 -0500 Message-ID: <36754C31.7636CA1C@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:34:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions References: <4.1.19981214095430.01adb440@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19981214113510.01aec0a0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > Problem is, since > I wear it daily, how do I get it [the Stich] to Minnesota for a > re-fitting!). Chris, that's an easy (and fun!) problem to solve. Just ride that puppy up to Minnesota! Road trip, anyone? ;) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 12:39:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22728 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13670 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07890 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DWFSE7HY; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:39:21 EST To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions Message-ID: <19981213.121606.8159.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DCD3@mscex> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,4-5,9-10,14-16 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:39:21 EST On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:08:02 -0500 "Fagan, Collin LT" writes: >Yes and No all in the same sentence. A variable resistor, i.e. a rheostat makes >good sense for regulating the heat. However, adding a light dimmer switch will do you no good, as it is not a variable resistor! Okay, Captain Electrode (or is that Lieutenant Electrode?), maybe a LIGHT dimmer switch was a bad example, but at least I got the "variable resistance" part right... It was the word "rheostat" that I couldn't remember. :-) I should have stood down on this issue. I've been afeared of the internal workings of most things electrical ever since I got defibulated (sp?) by careless hand placement when unplugging a commercial-grade copy machine. I think I know what it feels like to be struck by lightning. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 14:42:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24711 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:42:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA15642 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA16003 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:42:15 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA22142; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:43:49 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021298; Mon, 14 Dec 98 14:41:08 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F3Y004FWZZJZP@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566DA.006B9FCA ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:35:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:15:39 -0500 Subject: Re: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Cc: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566DA.00645B38.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I know how you feel. I once inadvertently touched the spark plug on a running gas-powered lawnmower. YEOOWWW!!! Man, I learned a valuable lesson the hard way *that* day! Chris "CLEAR!" Weaver I should have stood down on this issue. I've been afeared of the internal workings of most things electrical ever since I got defibulated (sp?) by careless hand placement when unplugging a commercial-grade copy machine. I think I know what it feels like to be struck by lightning. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 20:43:33 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00462 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust020.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.20]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA03663; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:42:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981215013931.006af3d8@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:39:31 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Ride in That reminds me, I need to put together an extra power cord. I always pack the chaps on the bike, although I seldom wear them. Leon. >At 10:08 AM 12/10/98 , Kirk Roy wrote: >>Where electric vests/jackets/etc are concerned there's one thing that many >>people overlook - on the road repairability of the connectors. I don't >>know about all the brands but I do know that Widder uses connectors that >>can be fixed with just a screwdriver and a knife (usually just a >>screwdriver). If you don't pack the necessary stuff to keep yourself >>warm without electrics and if the electrics fail you could be seriously >>screwed. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 20:55:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00619 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:55:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA21690 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA27322 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust020.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.20]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA03661; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:42:31 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981215013929.006b69d4@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:39:29 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:41 AM 12/14/98 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: > >(For example, my Aerostich desperately needs all new zippers [gee, they >lasted only 5 years, 3 of which were commuting daily!]. Problem is, since >I wear it daily, how do I get it to Minnesota for a re-fitting!). Use it as your summer 'stich, since you don't need as much stuff under it. Order another one for Winter and you'll have one to wear while the other is in Minnesota being repaired. Leon, two 'stich owner. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 21:57:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01775 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA22246 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28523 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:53:42 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Carver, John" , Subject: RE: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:58:49 -0500 Message-ID: <006601be27d6$d6d94380$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lots of folks run full heated suits through the stock fuse. If you are just making some long johns, I'd say give it a shot. I think the gauge on the wire is about 12 or so. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 23:20:20 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03016 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA20007; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:16:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:11:09 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Carver, John wrote: > I am semi-planning on electrifying a pair of long underwear. Should I > instead look to something which would be worn OVER my Joe Rocket pants? Two ideas.While thumbing through some moto mags at the bookstore,I remember seeing a small product review blurb on a heating system made of strips.It has four strips containing heating elements,and you run one down each arm and leg.This might be a product to look into. Also,if you're going to electrify something,why not use the Joe Rocket's lining?I have a pair of these and they have nylon liners that go most of the way down the legs.You could run the elements between the lining and leather,or even get that setup I mentioned above and use it like that. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 23:24:41 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03057 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA20016; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:20:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:16:44 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Another Gear Question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199812141247.HAA17838@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Personally, I'm not going to buy another 'Stich - What happened to your old one? > they may have a slightly > superior product, but the price savings on the 'lower shelf' Motoport/Teknic > products (which still do a VERY good job of protection/weather resistance) > make a bigger impact ($300 for a complete, buy it in my local shop Teknic > suit VS. $800+ for a buy-it-blind 'Stich). You should see how much it costs for a Stich with the HD logo. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 14 23:26:19 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03070 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA20029; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:22:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:21:13 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: A crying shame... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006e01be2598$dd469640$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 12 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > I like hacks as much as the next guy. But this is a crime (it's a small > pick, but if you squint) > http://www.motoventure.com/SFGTNSidecar916.jpg I thought it was pretty cool.Course,I also liked the flamed PC800. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 00:02:26 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03726 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:48:59 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: A crying shame... Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:54:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be27e6$f250de60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > On Sat, 12 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > > I like hacks as much as the next guy. But this is a crime (it's a small > > pick, but if you squint) > > http://www.motoventure.com/SFGTNSidecar916.jpg > > I thought it was pretty cool. But what's the point? The 916 has an engine that is marginal at best compared to the TLR and VTR. Its forte was always handling. I doubt it retains that edge in hack form. > course, I also liked the flamed PC800. Gotta agree with my father on this one: it needs a twin crankpin Shadow engine. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 01:20:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA04936 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA25139 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01677 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA15570 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:20:30 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 2Aa0018758 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:17:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <21b49649.3675ff00@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:17:36 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sporting Twins and Engine power....was Ducati/Hack bit Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Someone just recently stated the Honda & the Sazook beat the 916's motor.....partially true, and not the one that does beat doesn't do it by much.... HORSEPOWER & TORQUE DUCATI 916 100.3 bhp @ 9250 rpm, 62.1 lb-ft @ 6750 rpm HONDA VTR1000F 100.2 bhp @ 8500 rpm, 67.5 lb-ft @ 6750 SUZUKI TL1000S 111.0 rpm @ 8250 rpm 72.1 @ 8000 rpm Pulled out of Cycle World's archives..... -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 01:34:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA05131 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA25330 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01898 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA15718 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:31:03 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Sporting Twins and Engine power....was Ducati/Hack bit Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:36:09 -0500 Message-ID: <002401be27f5$339ab400$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <21b49649.3675ff00@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I'm the one who said it, and I think we'd need to look not only at the peaks of the horsepower and torque curves, but the shape of those curves. Still, the Suzuki does beat it by a bit (and I'd bet that the Honda has a broader, flatter curve) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Someone just recently stated the Honda & the Sazook beat the 916's > motor.....partially true, and not the one that does beat doesn't do it by > much.... > > HORSEPOWER & TORQUE > > DUCATI 916 > 100.3 bhp @ 9250 rpm, > 62.1 lb-ft @ 6750 rpm > > HONDA VTR1000F > 100.2 bhp @ 8500 rpm, > 67.5 lb-ft @ 6750 > > SUZUKI TL1000S > 111.0 rpm @ 8250 rpm > 72.1 @ 8000 rpm > > Pulled out of Cycle World's archives..... From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 01:40:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA05248 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA25380 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:40:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01967 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:40:01 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VMBRa00348 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:39:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3f107cd0.3676041a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:39:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Calling Glenn Dysart Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sorry for the post to the list, but I need to get in touch with Glenn. I need to change tires and have a small problem with getting the wheels off at my apartment. At any rate, I want to arrange a convenient day/time. I'll have the tires by the end of the week. Thanks!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black (heavy) Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 05:44:41 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA10026 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA22415; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:41:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:33:17 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: A crying shame... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000001be27e6$f250de60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > > I thought it was pretty cool. > But what's the point? The 916 has an engine that is marginal at best > compared to the TLR and VTR. Its forte was always handling. I doubt it > retains that edge in hack form. Coolness factor.And you could actually take a passenger in comfort. > > course, I also liked the flamed PC800. > Gotta agree with my father on this one: it needs a twin crankpin Shadow > engine. Eh?You mean the single-pin,right?It has the dual-offset pins of the older shadows. Bad idea.The vibes would raise havok with all that plastic.Mucho cracks. Better idea would be the VTR motor with some well-rorty zorsts. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 05:53:32 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA10196 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA22463; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:49:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:48:02 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Sporting Twins and Engine power....was Ducati/Hack bit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002401be27f5$339ab400$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > I'm the one who said it, and I think we'd need to look not only at the peaks > of the horsepower and torque curves, but the shape of those curves. Yup.Last thing you want on a street bike is peaky torque.You want a nice,flat,broad curve. Check out the charts on the bikes mentioned at: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/best2/spex.html The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 07:47:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11858 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA28901 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA06158 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AA4F72F01C6; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:47:11 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981215074131.00fbe0c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:42:59 -0500 To: Leon Begeman From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19981215013929.006b69d4@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Chris Norloff wrote: >>(For example, my Aerostich desperately needs all new zippers [gee, they >>lasted only 5 years, 3 of which were commuting daily!]. Problem is, since >>I wear it daily, how do I get it to Minnesota for a re-fitting!). > >Leon Begeman wrote: >Use it as your summer 'stich, since you don't need as much stuff under it. >Order another one for Winter and you'll have one to wear while the other is >in Minnesota being repaired. I might just be doing that. I talked with Santa last night, and she says I've been Nice. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 07:47:16 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11855 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AA5072F01C6; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:47:12 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981215074350.00fc0f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:47:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Another Gear Question In-Reply-To: References: <199812141247.HAA17838@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >> superior product, but the price savings on the 'lower shelf' Motoport/Teknic >> products (which still do a VERY good job of protection/weather resistance) >> make a bigger impact ($300 for a complete, buy it in my local shop Teknic >> suit VS. $800+ for a buy-it-blind 'Stich). Each to his own, of course, but I wasn't that impressed with the Motoport suits I've seen. No armor (though they may have it now) and thinner material. The big disadvantage for me was that it's not easy to don or doff. Putting it on is like most one-piece suits - put in one leg, put in the other while hopping about, then get your arms in and flail until the suit is up on your back. I've ridden with groups where the Motoport riders would rather eat lunch while wearing the suit than have to take it off and put it on. With the Aerostich (Roadcrafter), it's 30 seconds in or out. YMMV, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 08:23:27 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12416 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:23:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981215132736.8383.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send202.yahoomail.com; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:27:36 PST Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:27:36 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: To all Glen Burnie veterans, part 2 To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry for the SPAM to the rest of you, but I don't have the individual addresses. This is the last. Cards mailed today to Fagan, Collin; Forewright, Leslie; Hand, Ed; Horstman, Dale; Peer, Todd; Lauro, Anita; Sullivan, Sean; Truelove, Mark; Viteri, Ursulina; Wakefield, David; Westbrook, Richard; Winslow, Eric. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 08:27:23 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12500 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:27:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812151327.IAA12500@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:27:11 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Another Gear Question Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:27:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Chris, I've had a 'Stich - I know it's speed, it's armor, and how well it protects in a crash - using that info, I've shopped around. Noone inexpensively makes a 1-piece, which is fine with me. I was planning on going separates anyway and dealing with the little extra inconvenience (I'd thought about the Darian line from RiderWearhouse). At that point, I'm looking for top and bottom that overlap (for weather protection), good~exelent weather protection, armor, warmth, and ease of don/doff.. Jackets are simple, their pants have full leg zippers, and don't look like that big of a deal. Ok, so with those in mind, I went shopping - Both Motoport and Teknic offer like products - Gore-Tex-lined jackets/pants with armor. If the cordura is lighter, I couldn't tell while having a 'Stich in the shop (not mine) to compare it with. The armor is a lot lower in quality - so you spend $50 on the Aerostich armor... Both sets of pants I was looking at had dual full length zippers as well.. so here we are, with similar products, slightly lower in quality, but still MUCH better than fashion leather/jeans - for less than 1/2 the price of entrance for a 'Stich. Yes, I'm making some compromises. But I'm not going to be paying for the name so much. I give up the customer service.. and I won't know if the build quality is any better or not (my 'Stich, after just over a year of use, busted the right leg zipper to the point of not being able to use the suit, had several seams that were coming undone, and the armor was worthless at that point - the thing never was waterproof (note: they don't claim it is either). I am, by NO means, knocking on the Aerostich product - If I could justify the price, I'd buy another one - but I can't afford anything like that right now. So I'm making do with the best there is for the real-world person with reasonable prices... Brian McCoy P.S. NO, I can't tell you models or anything.. I was just looking at the product and prices, didn't have intentions (or money) to buy.. so I didn't remember anything beyond brands and impressions.. sorry.. > -----Original Message----- > The big disadvantage for me was that it's not easy to don or > doff. Putting > it on is like most one-piece suits - put in one leg, put in > the other while > hopping about, then get your arms in and flail until the suit > is up on your > back. I've ridden with groups where the Motoport riders > would rather eat > lunch while wearing the suit than have to take it off and put it on. > > With the Aerostich (Roadcrafter), it's 30 seconds in or out. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 08:29:37 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12536 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:30:13 -0500 Message-ID: <36E76EA04A46D211ACD900204804F0CC99F0CF@rbmail101.chamb.disa.mil> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:30:07 -0500 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" See, this also is a reason to have more than one bike. -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 8:39 PM To: Chris Norloff; bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions At 11:41 AM 12/14/98 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: > >(For example, my Aerostich desperately needs all new zippers [gee, they >lasted only 5 years, 3 of which were commuting daily!]. Problem is, since >I wear it daily, how do I get it to Minnesota for a re-fitting!). Use it as your summer 'stich, since you don't need as much stuff under it. Order another one for Winter and you'll have one to wear while the other is in Minnesota being repaired. Leon, two 'stich owner. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 08:35:36 1998 Return-Path: sled@XXXXXX Received: from dc.jones.com ([208.155.104.241]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12714 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacman (corp-gw.atw.pa.rcn.net [207.172.10.203]) by dc.jones.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA19150; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:30:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981215083150.00a46a10@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:38:11 -0500 To: roadhouse@XXXXXX From: Wes Fleming Subject: wasting away...in...Lawrencville? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Margaritaville it ain't, but I'm stuck in Lawrenceville NJ for today & tomorrow, then Dallas PA for the 2 days after that...then...home so I can move. Man. The only up side is that I got to (had to, actually, but...I digress) ride my motorcycle up here on this trip for work. Plus my boss put me up in a really nice hotel up the road in Princeton, the Hyatt. Cool. I discovered that my Widder electric vest really, really kicks ass, but the gloves, well the gloves ain't all that hot. Pardon the pun. They kept my hands from developing frostbite, but ... I'm going to try them with glove liners and see how that does. Of course, I have to find a place that has thin glove-liner type thingies in this area. I went past a K-Mart this morning, maybe there. I also discovered there's nothing quite like seeing your motorcycle completely covered with frost -- even the tires. That was pretty cool. The Mustang Squareback seat I put on my Shadow several months ago is OK for long trips (about 4 hours because of traffic in the DC area), but if I was going to do this all the time, I'd get something a bit comfier. Anyway...I'm off to train salespeople... --wes http://shadow.newspeak.org Wes Fleming, MA sled@XXXXXX '96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" / '78 CB-750 "Extra Sled" I got mine, don't forget forgetfulness Call it deconstruction... From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 09:08:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13219 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29674 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA07500 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Tue Dec 15 08:58 EST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA25255 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:07:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE280A.5E8EBF70@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:07:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Dimmer Switch Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:07:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In case anyone is considering the addition of a dimmer switch of some type, I can offer another answer. A turn signal flasher. Hooking one of these up would effectively make your suit go on and off and be on 50% of the time. However, I would think you would want to hook up a 2 position switch so you could have 50% and 100% current flow. (The flasher idea came from the VFR list; I can't take credit for that little brilliant idea) Later . . . --John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 10:24:22 1998 Return-Path: jstpeter@XXXXXX Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14323 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:21:29 -0500 Message-ID: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A842099A5@machine01.intelx.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Aerostitch v. Leathers Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:21:27 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain As I just purchased a Roadcrafter suit and used Vanson Victory suit this summer, I thought I'd chime in on the issue. I actually got the Roadcrafter suit because they allowed it at the track day at summit. I figured it would be more useful than leathers in the long run. Turned out to be wrong since I started racing later in the summer and had to get some leathers. The folks at Aerostitch are very helpful (as I guess they should be for the $$). At first I perferred to use my leather jacket/jeans vs. the aerostitch. I was using the 'stitch occasionally when the weather was questionable. The problem with the stitch was that it is kind of stiff and bulky. Once the weather got cooler I started wearing the stitch all the time. It is growing on me. I usually don't ride in serious rain, but in short trips/light rain it has been completely waterproof. Since I got my leathers, I have never worn them off the track. Compared to the stitch they are a huge pain in the a** to deal with. I can get in/out of the stitch very quickly and wad it up and jam it into a locker at the gym. It actually takes up less room than my bulky stealth jacket. In my minor get-off (in stealth jacket/jeans), I was converted to armor. I went down directly onto my elbow and came out with absolutely no pain. I almost don't care what the garment is made of, as long as there is armor. I have recently gotten the optional back protector for the stitch and feel very comfortable with its crash worthiness. In the same get-off, I was wearing some light-duty hiking boots with cordura outer shell. My right foot got stuck under the CBR1000 and slid about 20' there. There were marks and such, but (after the swelling went down) I wore the boots for another year until the soles wore out. I agree with Chris that the don-doff factor is extremely important. I also agree with Brian that some of the lesser priced stuff may be comparable (sortof lexus vs. toyota). Just be sure there is armor and you are well protected. I've seen some pics of crashed stitches and they look to have held up well. I think that is why they allow only leathers or aerostitch at track day. Both Vanson and Aerostitch offer repair service on their stuff if you crash. Oops, cought the talking disease that Collin started. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 10:47:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14734 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01015 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10761 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from HeilesenM.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil ([131.158.70.177]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA29902 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:47:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812151547.KAA29902@pop02.globecomm.net> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Great News!! Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:46:21 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I finally found the setting to make ASCII the default instead of HTML. All I can say is I hate MickeySoft and their WinDoze programs. On a better note, isn't the weather beautiful. I am going riding in just a few minutes to get the new tire mounted on my bike (the back tire has turned into a drag slick). The new electrics are nice. Riding in just a t-shirt, the electric vest, and my leather jacket. Yesterday, had to turn t down to 3 to get cooled off. As long as the roads stay clear, I will be riding...... Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 11:24:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15332 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01577 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (smtp3.mindspring.com [207.69.200.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12060 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hgg (user-37ka8fa.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.33.234]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03947 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:24:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981215112618.007cdd00@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:26:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Aerostich bargain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FYI, I picked up a "nearly new" pair of Aerostich Darian pants from Colleen's Motorcycle Leather Exchange (http://www.leatherexchange.com) for about half of what a new pair would cost. Since they were a little short, I sent them back to Aerostich, which will alter them for $50. As it turned out, they said it was easier to start with a new pair and make them custom, rather than tear down an old pair and replace panels. Going down that road, I said they could start with a smaller waist, too. In the end, I got a brand new pair of perfectly altered pants for half the cost. If you can find a pair that looks new and fits okay, buy it and send it back to the company. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 12:24:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16469 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02722 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14270 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:24:16 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CZNYa16641 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:19:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4b0505c3.36769a3d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:19:57 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 750 Night Hawk ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Anybody now of way to install a handle bar with a bit more rise and pull back on this bike. I want slightly more upright riding position. A local dealer tried but gave up when he discovered that the installation required longer cables. I can't believe that I am the only one. Suggestions? Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 13:03:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17304 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA03525 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15696 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07023; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:03:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:03:15 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: McKeithen@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 750 Night Hawk ? In-Reply-To: <4b0505c3.36769a3d@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > Anybody now of way to install a handle bar with a bit more rise and pull back > on this bike. I want slightly more upright riding position. A local dealer > tried but gave up when he discovered that the installation required longer > cables. I can't believe that I am the only one. Shoot, the answer's in your message. Longer cables and brake lines should be all you need. A decent Honda parts person ought to be able to look up longer Honda cables. For a cheaper/lower quality alternative you can check for Motion Pro cables. You can make your own brake line of the necessary length using Earl's stainless steel stuff. Any bike or hot rod shop should be able to get what you need. I can't point you towards a cheapo place though... The only thing that might be troublesome is if the wiring for your controls is too short. A trip to Radio Shack can take care of that though. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 13:08:36 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17419 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07146 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:08:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:08:27 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: GenMar handlebar risers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm curious if anyone on the list has experience with the GenMar risers. My latest acquisition is torturous to me when stuck in traffic. The 3/4" rise from the GenMars seems like a teensy bit but they're still in business for some reason. Does 3/4" represent a significant change? Thanks, Kirk 88 Hawk GT 98 SuperHawk GT From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 13:32:27 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17854 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 372; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:30:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3676AB30.ECE51542@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:32:16 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: GenMar handlebar risers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk, Got a set on my Concours. Not sure what the difference is, 3/4", 1" (that's 25.4 mm for you, Collin!) but it makes a big difference. I cringed at paying the $100 or so for them (hush, Todd!) but I like them now. Anything beats hand and wrist fatigue. You can also double them up, I'm told (requires longer bolts), but you might run into problems with cable length, etc. Regards, Dale Kirk Roy wrote: > > I'm curious if anyone on the list has experience with the GenMar risers. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 13:43:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18098 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04278 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA17325 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 125; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:41:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3676ADCF.E7592922@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:43:27 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marvin Heilesen CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Great News!! References: <199812151547.KAA29902@pop02.globecomm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marvin Heilesen wrote: > > As long as the roads stay clear, I will be riding...... > Yep, me too. Scraping frost off the bike in the morning is starting to become a pain, though. Maybe I should cover it. Snake, what's with the electrics? Here I thought you were a real biker! ;) (Ducking and running!) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 13:47:50 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18201 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:47:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981215181524.8357.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send202.yahoomail.com; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:15:24 PST Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:15:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: WTB: XR500 engine or bottom end To: Danny Weemes , DCCycles List , Race List , Thumper List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii WANTED: early 80's Honda XR500 engine, or will take bottom end only, with kickstarter. For Ascot racebike. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 14:18:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18707 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05020 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18309 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:10:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812151910.OAA18309@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:03:16 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Great News!! Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:03:12 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) That's good Dale, you distract him, I'll put the pink fringe on the grips, and training wheels on the back axle.. *evil grin* Brian > -----Original Message----- > > Snake, what's with the electrics? Here > I thought you were a real biker! ;) > > (Ducking and running!) > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 14:25:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18803 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05186 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA19244 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA01900; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:25:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:25:30 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Carver, John" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Dimmer Switch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The flasher idea should work fine, but what's the point of doing it that way? Variable resistors are cheap enough new and are readily available in just about any piece of dead stereo/radio/tv equipment. (You do save that stuff, don't you? ;-) --garcia On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Carver, John wrote: > In case anyone is considering the addition of a dimmer switch of some > type, I can offer another answer. A turn signal flasher. Hooking one > of these up would effectively make your suit go on and off and be on 50% > of the time. However, I would think you would want to hook up a 2 > position switch so you could have 50% and 100% current flow. (The > flasher idea came from the VFR list; I can't take credit for that > little brilliant idea) Later . . . > > --John > 98VFR > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 14:37:31 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19051 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA08953; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:37:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:37:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: GenMar handlebar risers In-Reply-To: <3676AB30.ECE51542@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Got a set on my Concours. Can someone with a real motorcycle please reply? Dale has one of those modern bikes... I could make a big list of stuff that's wrong with those bikes. :) > I cringed at paying the $100 or so for them (hush, Todd!) but I > like them now. Anything beats hand and wrist fatigue. It looks like I'll go ahead and cringe too. I can always sell 'em if they don't do the trick. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 14:39:04 1998 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19062 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:38:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981215185415.3021.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send202.yahoomail.com; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:54:15 PST Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:54:15 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Thump To: D C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Eht tsil si os teiuq taht eht ylno dnuos I raeh si eht dnuos fo ym daeh gnignab no eht ksed. siht si a tset ot ees fi ydobyna si tuo ereht...fi uoy nac daer siht, neht etirw em kcab. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 14:49:17 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19241 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:51:01 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:51:01 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:47:33 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: kirk@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GenMar handlebar risers -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Nother option is the Storz bar kit. Not as sano as Gen Mar, but you have more flexibility in rise and pullback by using the bar bend that puts your hands where you want 'em. That kit on my Ninja with the K&N Superbike bend bought them up an inch and back an inch. (make sure you got enough slack in your cables.) Joe '85 zx 900 >>> Dale Horstman - 12/15/98 1:32 PM >>> Kirk, Got a set on my Concours. Not sure what the difference is, 3/4", 1" (that's 25.4 mm for you, Collin!) but it makes a big difference. I cringed at paying the $100 or so for them (hush, Todd!) but I like them now. Anything beats hand and wrist fatigue. You can also double them up, I'm told (requires longer bolts), but you might run into problems with cable length, etc. Regards, Dale Kirk Roy wrote: > > I'm curious if anyone on the list has experience with the GenMar risers. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 15:03:24 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19584 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21622; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:55:20 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DCE9@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'c j'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Thump Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:55:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain !yad teiuq a neeb tsuj s'ti.....ouy reah nac eW On Tuesday, December 15, 1998 2:49 PM, c j [SMTP:got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX] wrote: > Eht tsil si os teiuq taht eht ylno dnuos I raeh si eht dnuos fo ym > daeh gnignab no eht ksed. > siht si a tset ot ees fi ydobyna si tuo ereht...fi uoy nac daer siht, > neht etirw em kcab. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 15:12:05 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19748 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zq0op-0005p2-00; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:11:43 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:09:09 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DD00118@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'c j'" , D C Subject: RE: Thump Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:07:34 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I read it. : ) > -----Original Message----- > From: c j [SMTP:got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 1:54 PM > To: D C > Subject: Thump > > Eht tsil si os teiuq taht eht ylno dnuos I raeh si eht dnuos fo ym > daeh gnignab no eht ksed. > siht si a tset ot ees fi ydobyna si tuo ereht...fi uoy nac daer siht, > neht etirw em kcab. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 15:12:43 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19764 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:13:33 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:13:05 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thump Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I raeh uoy duol dna raelc. I t'ndid eciton dehsinimid tsil ytivitca = esuaceb m'I no elpitlum liam-e stsil. Ym, t'nera ew derob yadot? eheh Retoocs >>> c j 12/15/98 01:54PM >>> Eht tsil si os teiuq taht eht ylno dnuos I raeh si eht dnuos fo ym daeh gnignab no eht ksed. siht si a tset ot ees fi ydobyna si tuo ereht...fi uoy nac daer siht, neht etirw em kcab. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 15:32:06 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20170 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 250; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:30:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3676C73C.D40BA01E@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:31:56 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: GenMar handlebar risers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > Can someone with a real motorcycle please reply? Dale has one of those > modern bikes... I could make a big list of stuff that's wrong with > those bikes. :) Already been done. ;) Now, we could all sit back and bitch about what' wrong with all the new 99 models...hmm, better not get me started. I might not be able to afford it. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 15:32:34 1998 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@[207.124.52.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20179 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA23610 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:34:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199812152134.QAA23610@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:31:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Thump Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19981215185415.3021.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) I wish I had this much spare time in my life..... -John N. cj wrote: Eht tsil si os teiuq taht eht ylno dnuos I raeh si eht dnuos fo ym daeh gnignab no eht ksed. siht si a tset ot ees fi ydobyna si tuo ereht...fi uoy nac daer siht, neht etirw em kcab. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 16:50:25 1998 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21697 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:50:23 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UUCHa17654 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:34:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2acda019.3676d5ce@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:34:06 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: drawkcab Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 The list is so quiet that the only sound I hear is the sound of my head banging on the desk. This is a test to see if anybody is out there....if you read this, write me back. ok -Sean jordan From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 17:44:21 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22566 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.43] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA00710; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:47:04 -0500 Message-ID: <004601be287c$7c1bb940$2b73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Kirk Roy" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: GenMar handlebar risers Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:44:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 So you're on the road 'eh? Well, how is it? (besides tortuous) There's lots of debate on the VFR list about Genmar vs. Helibars. Some people are happy with the Genmars, some don't like that they only seem to clamp onto a small area of the fork tube. Some have actually raised the forks to completely fill the Genmar riser. This could create a significant handling change though. The Genmars are a lot cheaper, so it would probably be best to start with them. I think the only way to know how much difference 3/4" makes is to put them on and see what happens. >I'm curious if anyone on the list has experience with the GenMar risers. >My latest acquisition is torturous to me when stuck in traffic. The 3/4" >rise from the GenMars seems like a teensy bit but they're still in >business for some reason. Does 3/4" represent a significant change? > >Thanks, > >Kirk >88 Hawk GT >98 SuperHawk GT From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 18:06:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23012 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA09359 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA28119 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:05:54 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id SAA17787; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:07:35 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017533; Tue, 15 Dec 98 18:06:58 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F41008VM46JJL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566DB.007E7617 ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:01:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:29:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Dimmer Switch To: "Carver, John" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <852566DB.0075DF25.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I would assume that a electric vest and electric gloves would draw a bit more than a turnsignal bulb. Wouldn't all that cycling on-and-off be bad for your bike's electrical system? --chris From: "Carver, John" Date: 12/15/98 02:07:40 PM GMT Subject: Dimmer Switch In case anyone is considering the addition of a dimmer switch of some type, I can offer another answer. A turn signal flasher. Hooking one of these up would effectively make your suit go on and off and be on 50% of the time. However, I would think you would want to hook up a 2 position switch so you could have 50% and 100% current flow. (The flasher idea came from the VFR list; I can't take credit for that little brilliant idea) Later . . . ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 18:37:17 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23538 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:37:16 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA17199 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27835 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:37:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812152337.SAA27835@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: local biker killed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:37:11 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Garcia Oliver " at Dec 13, 98 11:54:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Libby Hatch was killed in a bike wreck last week at Quantico. Does > anyone know more about what happened? > > --garcia I stopped by her memorial service for about 10 minutes (I've been running a 102 fever for a few days so I didn't want to stay long). They had a full tent of people there. Reading her bio was interesting. I knew Libby from when we were both motorcycle escorts for the AIDS Ride in 96. She was in the tent next door. It was heartwarming to see so many people there for her. Louis From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 19:12:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24042 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA10075 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA00149 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26913 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust048.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.48]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA05607 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:11:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981216000851.006b6df8@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:08:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: VFR800 Socket & Semi-related Opinions At 08:30 AM 12/15/98 -0500, Tom Mersch wrote: >See, this also is a reason to have more than one bike. Who are you trying to convince? I got reasons, I don't got money. Since I can only have one bike, I got the one that make the most sense for the riding I do. Leon. two 'stiches one bike (and a '91 ZX600 that is still for sale) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 19:38:27 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24490 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:38:26 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr17-dialup60.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.71.60]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F41005LW8ES1O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:37:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:38:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Thump To: dc-cycles Message-id: <00a201be288c$75e30fa0$3c4737a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Eht tsil si os teiuq taht eht ylno dnuos I raeh si eht dnuos fo ym >daeh gnignab no eht ksed. >siht si a tset ot ees fi ydobyna si tuo ereht...fi uoy nac daer siht, >neht etirw em kcab. Sheesh, you people get paid to do this stuff all day? Must be nice....... BTW, anyone want to hire me? I need a new job. Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 20:12:39 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA25043 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:12:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981215231514.9962.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.197.168] by send205.yahoomail.com; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:15:14 PST Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:15:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Thump To: c j , D C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, it's amazing how quiet the list is when Marvin and Ursulina are both gone at the same time. ---c j wrote: > > Eht tsil si os teiuq taht eht ylno dnuos I raeh si eht dnuos fo ym > daeh gnignab no eht ksed. > siht si a tset ot ees fi ydobyna si tuo ereht...fi uoy nac daer siht, > neht etirw em kcab. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 20:22:36 1998 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25214 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-236.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.236]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA13851; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:17:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812160117.UAA13851@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:12:01 -0500 To: c j , D C From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Thump In-Reply-To: <19981215185415.3021.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are where, here we're? MET At 01:54 PM 12/15/98 , c j wrote: >Eht tsil si os teiuq taht eht ylno dnuos I raeh si eht dnuos fo ym >daeh gnignab no eht ksed. >siht si a tset ot ees fi ydobyna si tuo ereht...fi uoy nac daer siht, >neht etirw em kcab. > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 20:27:36 1998 Return-Path: ursulina@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25291 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-121-228.s228.tnt15.brd.erols.com [207.172.121.228]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA17369; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:26:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007601be28ac$169fa600$e479accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "Ray" , "c j" , "D C" Subject: Re: Thump Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:25:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 What!? Huh?! Did someone mention my name? Better be nice 'cause I'm fixin' to get me a gun! ;-D Actually, I'm still researching which one to get. Darn things are soooo expensive! And so are the memberships to the shooting ranges. It's a crime, I tell ya! - - Ursulina -----Original Message----- From: Ray To: c j ; D C Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Thump >Yes, it's amazing how quiet the list is when Marvin and Ursulina are >both gone at the same time. > > > > > >---c j wrote: >> >> Eht tsil si os teiuq taht eht ylno dnuos I raeh si eht dnuos fo ym >> daeh gnignab no eht ksed. >> siht si a tset ot ees fi ydobyna si tuo ereht...fi uoy nac daer siht, >> neht etirw em kcab. >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> DO YOU YAHOO!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 20:38:41 1998 Return-Path: robmoody@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25493 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:38:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from wotan ([12.68.67.91]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981216013806.CIIX17246@wotan> for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 01:38:06 +0000 From: "Robert L Moody" To: "DC Cycles Submit" Subject: Happy Holidays Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:39:16 -0500 Message-ID: <004301be2894$e44ff9f0$01010101@wotan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 To the tune of "The Twelve Days of Christmas" In the first hour of riding it was 28 degrees I wore the following, one long sleeve T, one electric vest, one jacket liner, one Beemer jacket, one thermal lowers, one armored jeans, two wool socks and a great pair of motorcycle boots. In the second hour of riding it was still cold as hell I wore the following, one long sleeve T, one thermal upper from K-Mart/Front Royal, one electric vest, one jacket liner, one Beemer jacket, one thermal lowers, one armored jeans, one nylon overpant, two wool socks and a great pair of motorcycle boots. Happy Holidays and Best Wishes for the New Year to everyone. Rob Moody BMW K75S Virginia USA From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 15 20:38:54 1998 Return-Path: robmoody@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25502 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from wotan ([12.68.67.91]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981216013821.CIMB17246@wotan> for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 01:38:21 +0000 From: "Robert L Moody" To: Subject: Another Gear Question Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:39:31 -0500 Message-ID: <004501be2894$ed7c9bf0$01010101@wotan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199812150000.TAA28761@meretrix.com> To Brian: I like Motoport also. They were highly rated in Motorcycle Consumers News. Which shop has Motoport? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 06:04:33 1998 Return-Path: robmoody@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05821 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from wotan ([12.68.64.59]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981216110349.KTUO17246@wotan> for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:03:49 +0000 From: "Robert L Moody" To: "DC Cycles Submit" Subject: Another Gear Question Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:05:00 -0500 Message-ID: <004901be28e3$ecc1e590$01010101@wotan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 To Brian: I like Motoport also. They were highly rated in Motorcycle Consumers News. Which shop has Motoport? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 08:57:05 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08436 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA20462 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17109 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:56:58 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1VGDa00778; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:53:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1aef8d1b.3677bb65@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:53:41 EST To: tl000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Bike week Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Is anyone going to this? The dates are Feb. 26- March 7 in Daytona Beach, FL. Ive never been and would like to go this upcoming year. I know its still two months away, but just curious if anyone doesnt wanna do a group ride going down and back. Or, since it is such a long ride, is anyone trailering there bikes? If so, got room for one more? I can share costs.... Anyway, its still early, and its just a thought. Sean... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 09:00:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08530 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA20522 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA17168 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Wed Dec 16 08:00 CST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA08765 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:59:59 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE28D3.C7FED610@XXXXXX>; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:09:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'Meier, Chris'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Dimmer Switch Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:09:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wasn't actually SAYING that *I* was going to do that. I was merely pointing to yet another solution that would, I should think, be more compact, although offering only a high/lo setting. (A depature from the usual MC banter) It's hard to say if 100 watts /8amps would be too much for a flasher or not. I can't remember how much wattage a heavy duty flasher can carry. Keep in mind heavy duty would be for pulling a trailer (in a cage) and would require the ability to flash 6 auto bulbs. As for being "bad" for the system, no, the only thing it will damage is the flasher itself, over time. --John >VFR800 >From: > christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 4:29 PM >Subject: Re: Dimmer Switch > >I would assume that a electric vest and electric gloves would draw a bit >more than a turnsignal bulb. Wouldn't all that cycling on-and-off be bad >for your bike's electrical system? > >--chris From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 09:11:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08661 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA20620 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17360 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zqHfO-0003IP-00; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:11:06 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:08:48 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DD00125@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SCARY!! Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:07:16 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone who doesn't like riding in DC because they think it's dangerous, try Bethesda!! Geez, I was out there last night and not one, but two cars turned left directly in front of not just me, but another car too! I mean, I thought they just couldn't see us bikers during the day! Turns out they can't see headlights at night either! For the first time I felt like I was truly taking my life in my hands. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 09:46:40 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09355 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA02251 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:45:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv12-25.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.153) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002196; Wed Dec 16 08:45:11 1998 Message-ID: <003b01be2902$c57364e0$995e23c7@oemcomputer> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Iceon roads Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:45:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01BE28D8.DA536CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BE28D8.DA536CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If any one decides to ride out into the mountains, Shenandoah area etc, = be careful. There are plenty of locations where there is still ice on = roads in the low spots left over from the rain over the weekend. You = dont have to get that far from the metro area to find out its actually = rather wintery out. Ona second not, looking froward to meeting/seeing = many of you on the Bust trip to the NY Cycle World Bike Show. Cant = wait to get on a ZRX1100. Speaking of which, has anyone seen one at a = dealer yet. Ive checked two, they thought they would be in end of = November but still nothing. HDKnight 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BE28D8.DA536CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If any one decides to ride out into = the=20 mountains, Shenandoah  area etc, be careful.  There are plenty = of=20 locations where there is still ice on roads in the low spots left over = from the=20 rain over the weekend.   You dont have to get that far from = the metro=20 area to find out its actually rather wintery out.  Ona second not, = looking=20 froward to meeting/seeing many of you on the Bust trip to the NY Cycle = World=20 Bike Show.   Cant wait to get on a ZRX1100.  Speaking of = which,=20 has anyone seen one at a dealer yet.  Ive checked two, they thought = they=20 would be in end of November but still nothing.
HDKnight
1996 XLH 1200
Ride=20 Safe
Inwood, WV
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BE28D8.DA536CE0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:01:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09620 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:01:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21326 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA19086 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:04:05 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:04:04 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:41:26 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl000s@XXXXXX Subject: Bike week -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sorry, only owners of Heritage Softails are allowed to trailer their bikes to Daytona. : ) Joe >>> - 12/16/98 8:53 AM >>> Is anyone going to this? The dates are Feb. 26- March 7 in Daytona Beach, FL. Ive never been and would like to go this upcoming year. I know its still two months away, but just curious if anyone doesnt wanna do a group ride going down and back. Or, since it is such a long ride, is anyone trailering there bikes? If so, got room for one more? I can share costs.... Anyway, its still early, and its just a thought. Sean... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:05:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09715 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21396 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19171 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 256 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:03:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3677CC14.61632E3@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:04:52 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike week References: <1aef8d1b.3677bb65@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Or, since it is such a long ride, is anyone trailering there > bikes? Long ride? Trailer?!?! I'll admit that I-95 down to Daytona is a tad bit boring, but it's even more boring in a cage. Daytona is certainly reachable by motorcycle from the DC area. If you camp out or stay over in a hotel, it's what, two easy 400 mile days? The destination isn't the key, but the journey is! ;) I'm tempted to ride down, but I probably won't stay long. Maybe a BBG down and back? Hmm...interesting. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:06:31 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09727 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:05:34 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'Ken'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Iceon roads Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:05:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The "bust" trip?=A0 Woo-hoo!=A0 This is going to be good! =A0 Mitch =A0 (Just kidding) -----Original Message----- From: Ken [mailto:shephar1@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 9:46 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: Iceon roads If any one decides to ride out into the mountains, Shenandoah=A0 area = etc, be careful.=A0 There are plenty of locations where there is still ice on = roads in the low spots left over from the rain over the weekend.=A0=A0 You dont = have to get that far from the metro area to find out its actually rather = wintery out.=A0 Ona second not, looking froward to meeting/seeing many of you = on the Bust trip to the NY Cycle World Bike Show.=A0=A0 Cant wait to get on a = ZRX1100.=A0 Speaking of which, has anyone seen one at a dealer yet.=A0 Ive checked = two, they thought they would be in end of November but still nothing. HDKnight 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:08:23 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09748 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25080; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:07:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:07:43 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Ken cc: dc-cycles Subject: ZRX1100, was Re: Iceon roads In-Reply-To: <003b01be2902$c57364e0$995e23c7@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Ken wrote: > Cant wait to get on a ZRX1100. Speaking of which, has anyone seen > one at a dealer yet. Ive checked two, they thought they would be > in end of November but still nothing. I've seen two in dealers. One of the dealers was in NW Indiana on Friday and the other was Freestate on Central Ave in Capital Heights (just off the beltway). They do look pretty neat. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:10:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09768 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21694 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19314 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:10:21 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id JWLTa22793; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:52:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:52:21 EST To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, tl000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bike week Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 I am thinking about going. If I do I'llride From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:12:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09852 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21725 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19357 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:12:18 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id JNXUa07118 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:58:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7253e4c.3677ca9b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:58:35 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 750 Night Hawk bars Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Obviously I didn't ask the right question. I am looking for a shop willing and able to install bars with a little more rise and pull back. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:16:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09995 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21838 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19517 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:12:40 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "JOE NAGY" , , , Subject: RE: Bike week -Reply Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:17:46 -0500 Message-ID: <001801be2907$3c13e800$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Don't forget the ElectraGlides, TourGlides, RoadKings, and any other FL's in the HD family. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Sorry, only owners of Heritage Softails are allowed to trailer their > bikes to Daytona. : ) > > Joe > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:17:05 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10016 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21868 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA19565 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA01184 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:16:32 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:16:32 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike week Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:16:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >The destination isn't the key, but the journey is! ;) >I'm tempted to ride down, but I probably won't stay long. Maybe >a BBG down and back? Hmm...interesting. I went down 2 years ago for the IBA Pizza party. Rode down over 2 days - late start (noon) from here and vicious headwinds all the way down (I wimped out) - hit the party on Friday night and rode home on Saturday (about 14 hours total). When I left the motel in St Augustine on Saturday AM, I saw two H-D Ultra Classic Tour Glides with Virginia tags - one in the back of a pickup and one on a trailer behind the pickup (pickup & trailer had VA tags too) - why bother? Michael (I bought it to ride it) J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:23:23 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10159 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24539; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:23:40 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DCF0@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO'" , "'Ken'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Iceon roads Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:23:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wait a minute.. I thought my wife said she wasn't going ;-) Collin (and yes, I was joking too, and Penny won't be offended anyhow..she's = used to it by now) On Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:18 AM, Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO [SMTP:HolmesM@XXXXXX] wrote: > The "bust" trip?=A0 Woo-hoo!=A0 This is going to be good! > =A0 > Mitch > =A0 > (Just kidding) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:24:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10195 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22008 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL ([199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19875 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:23:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike week Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:23:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain BBG? Anyway, if the fun is in the journey, how about following the coast line down rather than just riding down I-95? Cruise the Eastern Shore, the Outer Banks, through Charleston and Savannah and Jacksonville, and end up in Daytona Beach? The only thing might be the weather; it's usually a little rainy along the Chesapeake and Outer Banks around that time. Thoughts? Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:05 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike week CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Or, since it is such a long ride, is anyone trailering there > bikes? Long ride? Trailer?!?! I'll admit that I-95 down to Daytona is a tad bit boring, but it's even more boring in a cage. Daytona is certainly reachable by motorcycle from the DC area. If you camp out or stay over in a hotel, it's what, two easy 400 mile days? The destination isn't the key, but the journey is! ;) I'm tempted to ride down, but I probably won't stay long. Maybe a BBG down and back? Hmm...interesting. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:25:23 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10222 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:11:49 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Ken" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Iceon roads Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:16:55 -0500 Message-ID: <001301be2907$1daadf40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE28DD.34D4D740" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <003b01be2902$c57364e0$995e23c7@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE28DD.34D4D740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saw the ZRX at ACP last weekend. Pretty nifty bike. Definately my kinda ride. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" -----Original Message----- From: Ken [mailto:shephar1@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 9:46 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: Iceon roads If any one decides to ride out into the mountains, Shenandoah area etc, be careful. There are plenty of locations where there is still ice on roads in the low spots left over from the rain over the weekend. You dont have to get that far from the metro area to find out its actually rather wintery out. Ona second not, looking froward to meeting/seeing many of you on the Bust trip to the NY Cycle World Bike Show. Cant wait to get on a ZRX1100. Speaking of which, has anyone seen one at a dealer yet. Ive checked two, they thought they would be in end of November but still nothing. 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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken [mailto:shephar1@XXXXXX]=
Sent:=20 Wednesday, December 16, 1998 9:46 AM
To:=20 dc-cycles
Subject: Iceon roads

If any one decides to ride out = into the=20 mountains, Shenandoah  area etc, be careful.  There are = plenty of=20 locations where there is still ice on roads in the low spots left over = from=20 the rain over the weekend.   You dont have to get that far = from the=20 metro area to find out its actually rather wintery out.  Ona = second not,=20 looking froward to meeting/seeing many of you on the Bust trip to the = NY Cycle=20 World Bike Show.   Cant wait to get on a ZRX1100.  = Speaking of=20 which, has anyone seen one at a dealer yet.  Ive checked two, = they=20 thought they would be in end of November but still = nothing.
HDKnight
1996 XLH 1200
Ride=20 Safe
Inwood, WV
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE28DD.34D4D740-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:44:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10617 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22335 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20706 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id KUVSa28826; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:25:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8876d62c.3677d0fb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:25:47 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bike week Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/16/98 10:10:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << two easy 400 mile days? >> I can hear my back and butt aching as I read this... Actually, doesnt sound too bad. I did ride to upstate ny near albany last year, although that was on a Nighthawk 750, not a sportbike. When we did the trek up to pocono, I was more than happy to take a break and ride in Jon's "support truck" to give me a rest, and that was just about a 5 hour ride... Sean... From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:44:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10627 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22350 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20727 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 303; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:42:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3677D556.A14FFEBB@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:44:22 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike week References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > > BBG? Oh, sorry. BunBurner Gold. 1500 miles minimum in a 24 hour period. If I do this ride down to Daytona and back, I won't be stopping long. ;) > Anyway, if the fun is in the journey, how about following the coast > line down rather than just riding down I-95? Cruise the Eastern > Shore, the Outer Banks, through Charleston and Savannah and > Jacksonville, and end up in Daytona Beach? That actually is a pretty cool suggestion. See, not all my trips focus on distance. ;) Too bad I'll be saving up vacation time for later in the summer next year. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:47:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10730 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22388 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA21115 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:49:35 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:49:15 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike week Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'd like to ride down but, I'll be just starting a new job by then and = won't be able to take any time off. :-( Maybe in 2000. Scooter >>> Dale Horstman 12/16/98 10:04AM >>> CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Or, since it is such a long ride, is anyone trailering there > bikes?=20 Long ride? Trailer?!?! I'll admit that I-95 down to Daytona is a tad bit boring, but it's even more boring in a cage. Daytona is certainly reachable by motorcycle from the DC area. If you=20 camp out or stay over in a hotel, it's what, two easy 400 mile days? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 10:49:14 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10740 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:50:36 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:50:14 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, HolmesM@XXXXXX, shephar1@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Iceon roads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yep. New York City or "Bust". hehe Scooter >>> "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" 12/16/98 10:05AM = >>> The "bust" trip? Woo-hoo! This is going to be good! =20 Mitch =20 (Just kidding) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 12:01:25 1998 Return-Path: bulerias@XXXXXX Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12057 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:01:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT root)@rac8.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.148]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id MAA19728 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT sendmail)@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id MAA24983 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:01:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id MAA24978 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:01:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac8.wam.umd.edu: bulerias owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:01:16 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Montwill To: DC Cycles Submit Subject: Jacket and helmet for sale In-Reply-To: <004901be28e3$ecc1e590$01010101@wotan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey If anyone is interested, I have a S&H apparel size 50 motorcycle jacket that I want to sell. I bought in in June '98 and it hasn't been worn alot. I got it for $350 and I'd like to sell it for $150. The jacket has an inner removable layer making it warm for the winter months. I have a picture at http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bulerias/jacket.jpg . The jacket is a tad too big for my frame. Also, I'm selling a Shoei RF-700 XL helmet with green, white, and some purple stripes and graphics. Its like new. Asking $70. Matt Montwill bulerias@XXXXXX mmontwill@XXXXXX LIFE BEGINS AT 7000 RPM!!!!!!!!! From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 12:21:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12391 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23889 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25544 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:21:50 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id JETWa09956; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:19:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:19:42 EST To: HolmesM@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bike week Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/16/98 10:30:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, HolmesM@XXXXXX writes: << Thoughts? >> Sounds pretty bad ass! From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 12:24:10 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12401 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:25:39 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:25:03 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bulerias@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jacket and helmet for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline If you can't find any buyers, check out our resident used leather = buyer/seller/trader, Colleen. She's at motorle@XXXXXX and her website is = www.leatherexchange.com. I was just over there last night and traded a = Fieldsheer jacket that was too big for a pair of Teknic pants to match = another jacket I have. I don't know if she deals with helmets but, you = never know. Scooter >>> Matt Montwill 12/16/98 12:01PM >>> If anyone is interested, I have a S&H apparel size 50 motorcycle jacket that I want to sell. Also, I'm selling a Shoei RF-700 XL helmet with green, white, and some purple stripes and graphics. Its like new. Asking $70. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 12:44:40 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12835 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12976 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:44:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199812161744.MAA12976@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:43:46 -0500 Subject: Bus Trip to NYC Motorcycle Show Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Just in case there are some new folks on the list! :-) If you are interested drop me a line and I'll add you to my distribution list. Payment needs to be in my hands by 12/24 so I can pay the bus company and order the show tickets. I've received payments from about 15 people already, so things are looking real good (we need 32 to make the trip work, and the bus will hold up to 47)! Thanks! Anita ---------------------------------------------------------- NYC MOTORCYCLE SHOW BUS TRIP Travel by charter bus to see the Cycle World International Motorcycle Show in New York City on Saturday, January 16th, 1999 for only $39! That price includes round trip transportation and admission to the show! The bus will depart from the DC area at 8:00 am, and return well after midnight, with at least 8 hours to actually spend in NYC. Along the way you'll be able to "talk shop" with other DC area motorcyclists, and enjoy a relaxing ride in a fully equipped "motorcoach." From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 14:11:58 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14243 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:11:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13781; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:12:40 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DCF1@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Matt Montwill'" , DC Cycles Submit Subject: RE: Jacket and helmet for sale Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:12:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain He he he... Whadya mean... The bike's barely out of idle at 7k!!! he he he... now after 11k HANG ON!!! or is that Hang Off ;-) On Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:11 PM, Matt Montwill [SMTP:bulerias@XXXXXX] wrote: > Hey > > LIFE BEGINS AT 7000 RPM!!!!!!!!! From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 14:17:37 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14412 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:17:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981216190332.29597.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send204.yahoomail.com; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:03:32 PST Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:03:32 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Bus Trip to NYC Motorcycle Show To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And watch some really cool videos! Like On Any Sunday and A Twist of the Wrist! And Mad Max! ---Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> wrote: > > Just in case there are some new folks on the list! :-) If you are > interested drop me a line and I'll add you to my distribution list. > Payment needs to be in my hands by 12/24 so I can pay the bus > company and order the show tickets. I've received payments from > about 15 people already, so things are looking real good (we need > 32 to make the trip work, and the bus will hold up to 47)! > > Thanks! > Anita > ---------------------------------------------------------- > NYC MOTORCYCLE SHOW BUS TRIP > > Travel by charter bus to see the Cycle World International > Motorcycle Show in New York City on Saturday, January 16th, > 1999 for only $39! That price includes round trip transportation and > admission to the show! The bus will depart from the DC area at > 8:00 am, and return well after midnight, with at least 8 hours to > actually spend in NYC. Along the way you'll be able to "talk shop" > with other DC area motorcyclists, and enjoy a relaxing ride in a > fully equipped "motorcoach." > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 14:33:55 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14676 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DWL5RRF4; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:33:34 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Chicken Gun Message-ID: <19981215.141454.8087.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7,13-20 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:33:34 EST Scientists at NASA have developed a gun designed to fire a dead chicken at the windshields of the space shuttle, passenger airliners, automobiles, motorcycles, etc. The idea behind the chicken gun is to simulate the impact of flying birds on the windshields of vehicles passing through flocks of birds while moving at top speed. NASA uses the information gleaned from tests involving the chicken gun to improve the crashworthiness of the windshields. British scientists got wind of this gun and asked for one to perform similar tests on their aircraft. The first time they used it, the chicken smashed through the windshield of the aircraft, bent the steel frame of the (empty) pilot's seat and slammed into the wall behind the seat. Horrified, the British scientists contacted NASA with their disturbing results. NASA responded immediately with the following statement: "Thaw the chicken." I swear I'm not making this up. I saw it in the news. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 15:06:14 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15278 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A2AEB7701A0; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:06:06 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981216144622.00fc7450@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:47:20 -0500 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: The Chicken Gun In-Reply-To: <19981215.141454.8087.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:33 PM 12/16/98 , Bikes R Us wrote: >The first time they used it, the chicken >smashed through the windshield of the aircraft, bent the steel frame of >the (empty) pilot's seat and slammed into the wall behind the seat. >Horrified, the British scientists contacted NASA with their disturbing >results. NASA responded immediately with the following statement: > >"Thaw the chicken." > > >I swear I'm not making this up. I saw it in the news. The first time I heard that one I was working for the Navy, and it was about the Air Force shooting frozen chickens at their fighter aircraft. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 15:24:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15525 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA26801 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03661 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-46-163.s163.tnt9.ann.erols.com (207-172-46-163.s163.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.163]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17447 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:24:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812162024.PAA17447@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:34:55 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3676ADCF.E7592922@tidalwave.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Great News!! On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:43:27 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >Snake, what's with the electrics? Here >I thought you were a real biker! ;) > >(Ducking and running!) Now I am a real warm biker..... :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 15:36:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15792 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27093 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04448 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-46-163.s163.tnt9.ann.erols.com (207-172-46-163.s163.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.163]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA24910 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:35:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812162035.PAA24910@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:46:46 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <19981215231514.9962.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thump On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:15:14 -0800 (PST), Ray wrote: >Yes, it's amazing how quiet the list is when Marvin and Ursulina are >both gone at the same time. Actually I'm here. Got to get ready to ski this weekend. Sad thing is that they will only have the rope-tow open, but I signed up to ski this weekend back when we thought we were having an early winter. It will only be down in the teens this weekend, so I might just sleep in my truck instead of getting a hotel room. We'll see how things go. Damn I wish I wasn't living in the south. It got up to 15 degrees back home for a high Friday. Now that is real weather..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 17:51:35 1998 Return-Path: hdknight@XXXXXX Received: from bc.mountain.net (root@XXXXXX [198.77.1.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18115 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (AM4-26.Martinsburg-WV.Mountain.Net [198.77.15.175]) by bc.mountain.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA09985 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:50:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001f01be2946$9a8c7b60$af0f4dc6@oemcomputer> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Bombing IRAQ again if you have not heard Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:51:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01BE291C.ABA82860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BE291C.ABA82860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those that have not heard , we are bombing IRAQ again. Couple of = tactical nukes would solve this problem once and for all though.... HDKnight 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BE291C.ABA82860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For those that have not heard , we = are bombing=20 IRAQ again.  Couple of tactical nukes would solve this problem once = and for=20 all though....
HDKnight
1996 XLH 1200
Ride=20 Safe
Inwood, WV
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BE291C.ABA82860-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 18:07:16 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18437 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust041.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.41]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA07946; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:07:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981216230428.00660538@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:04:28 -0500 To: "Robert L Moody" , "DC Cycles Submit" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Happy Holidays At 08:39 PM 12/15/98 -0500, Robert L Moody wrote: >To the tune of "The Twelve Days of Christmas" > >In the first hour of riding it was 28 degrees >I wore the following, one long sleeve T, one electric vest, one jacket >liner, one Beemer jacket, one thermal lowers, one armored jeans, two wool >socks and a great pair of motorcycle boots. > >In the second hour of riding it was still cold as hell >I wore the following, one long sleeve T, one thermal upper from K-Mart/Front >Royal, one electric vest, one jacket liner, one Beemer jacket, one thermal >lowers, one armored jeans, one nylon overpant, two wool socks and a great >pair of motorcycle boots. > >Happy Holidays and Best Wishes for the New Year to everyone. All that for only two hours of riding? I'm not sure of the date yet, but the Crotona Midnight Run will soon be upon us. It begins at midnight on one of the weekends in February. The start point is at Nathan's Restaurant on Central Avenue in Yonkers, NY. The midnight run is a timed road rally. It uses the AMA rules which are very similar to car style time-speed-distance rallies. It normally consists of two legs of about 60 miles each that are to be run at 30 mph. There are several checkpoints along the route, when you come up to a checkpoint, they note your time, you lose points for being more than 1 minute off of a 30 mph pace. There is a break at a diner in between the two legs so you can BS with the other rally-goers. Finish time is around 6 AM. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 18:13:46 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18522 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA00296; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:13:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36786929.76F6@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:15:05 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Dillon Subject: Consumer Reports Moto Recalls Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys and Gals, This, from alt.motorcycle.sportbike: http://www.consumerreports.org/Recalls/motcyc.html JK From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 18:38:20 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18994 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA29573 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA10253 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust041.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.41]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA08744 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:38:29 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981216233538.006b91e4@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:35:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Bike week I'm thinking about going down for the IBA pizza party. I'd leave Friday the 5th after work be back Sunday evening the 7th. Anyone else? At 08:53 AM 12/16/98 EST, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >Is anyone going to this? The dates are Feb. 26- March 7 in Daytona Beach, FL. >Ive never been and would like to go this upcoming year. I know its still two >months away, but just curious if anyone doesnt wanna do a group ride going >down and back. Or, since it is such a long ride, is anyone trailering there >bikes? If so, got room for one more? I can share costs.... Anyway, its still >early, and its just a thought. > >Sean... >98 TLR > > Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 20:17:41 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20654 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (dynamic130.cais.com [207.226.56.130]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA27626 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:17:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981216201538.006a95b0@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:15:38 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: The Chicken Gun In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981216144622.00fc7450@mail.toward.com> References: <19981215.141454.8087.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:47 PM 12/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 02:33 PM 12/16/98 , Bikes R Us wrote: >>The first time they used it, the chicken >>smashed through the windshield of the aircraft, bent the steel frame of >>the (empty) pilot's seat and slammed into the wall behind the seat. >>Horrified, the British scientists contacted NASA with their disturbing >>results. NASA responded immediately with the following statement: >> >>"Thaw the chicken." >> >> >>I swear I'm not making this up. I saw it in the news. > > >The first time I heard that one I was working for the Navy, and it was >about the Air Force shooting frozen chickens at their fighter aircraft. > >:-) >Chris Norloff > Hmmm..... This might be handy for BDCs, were can I get one??? Mike B. 98 ZX900R From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 21:09:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21559 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA01505 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:08:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA13485 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:08:49 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 6VZWa17655; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:47:29 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:47:29 EST To: mrider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bike week Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 In a message dated 12/16/98 6:42:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << IBA pizza party >> What is this? Sean.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 21:09:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21577 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA01516 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA13500 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA15101 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:09:34 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id LDAIa15050 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:50:01 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6013815e.36786349@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:50:01 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: ZRX1100 sighting, and other goodies. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 I was at Cycle Sport in Herndon this afternoon when they rolled their brand new ZRX1100 through the front door......yum. Nice paint. It's not the usual Kawi-Green, but a soft lime mettalic version. Twin front discs with 6 piston calipers. Twin KYB shocks in the rear.....Didn't know they made motorcycle shocks. (I've got a full complement of KYB's on my '68 Beetle.....corners better than a Harley. Heh.) I was surprised to hear it's $7200. It just looks like it wants to be out stomping Mustangs and the like. Yum. They also had a used Bandit 600 out front with less than 10k for $4,000, and one of the sales guys has a '91 Nighthawk with 6k garage kept miles on it...says he wants $2800 for it. Going to take both for a ride this week. Remember to keep warm kids! -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 21:17:36 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21764 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA07845 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:17:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:17:29 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: ZRX1100 sighting, and other goodies. In-Reply-To: <6013815e.36786349@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > They also had a used Bandit 600 out front with less than 10k for $4,000 I would definitely pass on the Bandit. The SV650 coming out will be just $5700 at full retail and has better specs all around than the Bandit including something like 75 lbs less weight... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 21:33:40 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22059 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA08101 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:33:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:33:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Insurance in MD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know the insurance thread has been bumped around on the list here and there. However, all the situations similar to mine that are mentioned on the list are in VA. Well, the best companies for VA don't operate in MD or don't offer me a good rate. My situation: bike is classified as "high performance", my old company has horrendous rates for hp bikes so I need to switch, I have a couple of tickets from just over 2 years ago so they won't be outside of the 3 years an insurance company wants to know about until a few months from now, and I have to do full coverage since the bike has a lien on it. Anyone with a similar situation find a place with decent rates? So far, Progressive will give me the best price of the places I've called. However, their comprehensive alone is over $1k. Collision is almost as much... Any info would be highly appreciated. Thanks, Kirk 88 Honda Hawk GT 98 Honda SuperHawk GT From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 22:19:33 1998 Return-Path: hgg@XXXXXX Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22848 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hgg (user-37ka8dr.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.33.187]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA16004; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:19:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981216222116.007ec230@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:21:16 -0500 To: Kirk Roy From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Insurance in MD Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:33 PM 12/16/98 -0500, Kirk Roy wrote: >My situation: bike is classified as "high performance", my old company has >horrendous rates for hp bikes so I need to switch,... Kirk, I had the same problem with my ZX-11. I found that most companies would not insure it, or would do so at an exhorbitant rate. However, many of those same companies would insure it if I first had an auto policy with them. When you ask for a quote, also ask what it would be if you were a pre-existing auto policy holder. Progressive gave me a good quote on my BMW, but Nationwide turned out to be better for both the R11RT and the Land Rover. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 22:56:37 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23409 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s9.wizard.net (tc1-s9.wizard.net [206.161.15.39]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06719 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:56:29 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ZRX1100 sighting, and other goodies. Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:04:25 -0500 Message-ID: <367a81bb.86975117@smtp.wizard.net> References: <6013815e.36786349@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <6013815e.36786349@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:50:01 EST, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >I was at Cycle Sport in Herndon this afternoon when they rolled their = brand >new ZRX1100 through the front door......yum. Nice paint. It's not the = usual >Kawi-Green, but a soft lime mettalic version.=20 I'll have to stop by and take a look at it... the ZRX has been a big topic of conversation on the GPZ owner's list. A couple people have already decided to "defect"! :-) For those that don't know, the GPZ and ZRX both have a detuned ZX-11 engine... not sure what other similarities there are. =20 Anita '96 GPZ1100 (Kawi-Black) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 23:54:12 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24278 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:42:24 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: RE: ZRX1100 sighting, and other goodies. Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:47:30 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01be2978$5a923c20$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <367a81bb.86975117@smtp.wizard.net> Importance: Normal The original ZR1100 begat the original GPz (which gave us the ZLs, KLs, and a few other beasties) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > I'll have to stop by and take a look at it... the ZRX has been a big > topic of conversation on the GPZ owner's list. A couple people have > already decided to "defect"! :-) For those that don't know, the GPZ > and ZRX both have a detuned ZX-11 engine... not sure what other > similarities there are. > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (Kawi-Black) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 16 23:54:10 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24276 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:40:41 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Insurance in MD Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:45:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01be2978$1d0f2a20$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Consider switching bike and auto to State Farm. Only charge on displacement. 647 cc Hawk should be pretty cheap (I pay $250/ year on a 600 cc Kawi) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > 88 Honda Hawk GT > 98 Honda SuperHawk GT > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 00:16:18 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.cw.net (pm01sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24714 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:16:16 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr31-dialup36.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.74.164]) by PM01SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33505) with SMTP id <0F4300KNKFXN4H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:15:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:16:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Bike week To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Message-id: <010101be297c$6cba8840$a44a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >When we did the trek up to pocono, I was >more than happy to take a break and ride in Jon's "support truck" to give me a >rest, and that was just about a 5 hour ride... > >Sean... Oh, I was more than happy to give you a "break" from the TL-R(hehe). I'm sure you didn't mind me bringing the front wheel up in 2nd gear from, oh, 4k rpm! Nice torque. BTW, I'm 5'6" and I was cramped on that bike! You're like 6'5" or something, I sympathize. Maybe if I go on this Daytona trip, we can switch bikes. You know you'll need a break every now and then..... 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 00:37:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25042 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA04696 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA17218 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:33:28 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: sv650 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:38:21 -0500 Message-ID: <004001be297f$74e1e7e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal http://www.2wf.com/html/bikes/latesttest/suzisv650x/suzisv650x.shtml ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 04:25:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA29593 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA07247 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA19951 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:25:49 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DBJOa25362 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:24:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:24:55 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: VZ800 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Anyone have a review of the Suzuki Marauder 800? From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 05:48:57 1998 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA00971 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id FAA29293 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id FAA29284 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id FAA10308 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from NCAIMAIL1 ([192.168.79.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id FAA10300 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:50:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812171050.FAA10300@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:46:00 -0500 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: RE: Insurance in MD To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME << From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] Consider switching bike and auto to State Farm. Only charge on displacement. >> Agreed. I was suprised to find out how little I'd be paying for my bike -- and I think I fall into that "young-male-punk-he's-gonna-wreck-it" catagory (I apparently do for the car; I get NO breaks there). I called about a VFR800 and it was something around $55 a month. Definitly worth a call. --Brad From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 06:17:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA01430 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA08217 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA21165 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA17928 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust042.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.42]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA24153 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:17:14 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981217111426.006ad61c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:14:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Bike week At 08:47 PM 12/16/98 EST, Sean wrote: >> >><< IBA pizza party >> >> >>What is this? >> The only event at Daytona worth riding down for. The IronButt Association has a pizza party every year at Daytona. Last year about 100 people showed up. We had pizza and soda and Mike Kneebone gave out the plaques for those that won them in the '97 Iron Butt Rally. Among others, Fred Rau, editor/publisher of MCN was there. No trailers for this crowd. If they've got a cage in Florida they're either natives or it's a rental car. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 08:18:32 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03196 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A4A3601027C; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:18:27 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981217082258.00fdc4f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:24:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Flamethrower now an option on S. African cars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Flamethrower now an option on S. African cars http://cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 08:18:32 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03195 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A4A2601027C; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:18:26 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981217074756.00fc2f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:50:09 -0500 To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Insurance in MD In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:33 PM 12/16/98 , Kirk Roy wrote: >My situation: bike is classified as "high performance", my old company has >horrendous rates for hp bikes so I need to switch, I have a couple of >tickets from just over 2 years ago so they won't be outside of the 3 years >an insurance company wants to know about until a few months from now, and >I have to do full coverage since the bike has a lien on it. > >Anyone with a similar situation find a place with decent rates? So far, >Progressive will give me the best price of the places I've called. >However, their comprehensive alone is over $1k. Collision is almost as >much... I've had National General for years, including in Maryland. 1-800-325-1190 They're more oriented toward touring riders, but had no problems with me and my Honda CB750F bikes. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 08:27:56 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03383 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:27:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981217132753.22311.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send203.yahoomail.com; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:27:53 PST Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:27:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Flamethrower now an option on S. African cars To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting article in yesterdays Balt Sun about Johannesburg. Crime and decay are now very common in Yo'burg, opinion is polarized as to whether this is good or bad. ---Chris Norloff wrote: > > Flamethrower now an option on S. African cars > > http://cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/ > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 09:22:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04212 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10132 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA24093 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:22:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Thu Dec 17 08:22 CST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA29641 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:22:22 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE299E.A3242860@XXXXXX>; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:21:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Daytona (Long but FUN) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:21:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I took the new VFR down last year and it was great!! Yeah, 95 does get boring but there are things to see on the way that are entertaining. Highlights for me: The "South of the Border" uhh, well, any more information would give it away if you haven't seen it. There are about 1 million signs pointing to its' location on yer way down. The weather as I got closer to FL. (It was my first time to FL) It was awesome riding down as it got warmer, and warmer and warmer. Seeing more than a couple of Goldwings being TRAILERED down 95!!!! The dummy Police cars in North(?) Carolina complete with lights flashing and dummy <--> cop. (No fake donut eating; surprisingly) Getting in to FL having finally broken in the VFR to the point where I could open it proceeding to 110 in a 55 without realizing it was a 55 leaving my compatriot behind a bit. (He he) Stopping at a FL rest area and enjoying some fresh squeezed OJ, for free! Coming over the rise to Jacksonville and the city "appearing" in front of me. Pretty cool for never having seen it before. Riding to Daytona going through an underpass and on both sides "written" in bushes was "Daytona" FINALLY getting to Daytona and watching all the many, many, bikes. Wondering how those guys on choppers with forks longer than RT 80 actually control them. Riding down mainstreet which was blocked to cages and seeing more bikes in one location than I had ever seen before. (That was painful crawling down this street at about -10 mph) Riding through Ocala National Forest. All in all a GREAT time and this only touches on a few things. I know I've left many things out. --John VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 09:53:43 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04689 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:53:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981217145533.2454.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send206.yahoomail.com; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:55:33 PST Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:55:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Daytona (actually Jacksonville) To: "Carver, John" Cc: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jacksonville, my home town: - The next sign you see after "entering Jacksonville City Limits" is "Jacksonville 25 miles". - The city has a hotline to report smell complaints. If you smell pulp plants (paper plants), the wind is from the north, if you smell coffee or cigars, it's coming from downtown, if you smell chemicals, it's coming from the west. The "smell of the day" for the previous day is on page 1, section B. - Getting into Jax is free but it used to cost $.50 to get out of Jax, until the mayor took the toll booths away and raised the sales tax. The only reason yankee tourists stopped in Jax was to pay the toll, now they don't stop at all. - and finally, The St Johns River flows north because Georgia sucks! If you're not in a hurry next time, take A1A in Nassau County, to the Mayport Ferry, back to A1A, and down the coast. It takes a little longer (okay, you got me, a LOT longer) but it's worth it. And see St. Augustine on the way, it's beautiful and not out of the way. Ray > Coming over the rise to Jacksonville and the city "appearing" in front > of me. Pretty cool for never having seen it before. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 11:01:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05745 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11557 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA27047 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 291; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:40:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3679262C.360129A4@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:41:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carver, John" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Daytona (Long but FUN) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carver, John wrote: > The "South of the Border" uhh, well, any more information would give it > away if you haven't seen it. There are about 1 million signs pointing > to its' location on yer way down. You know, I find those signs so ANNOYING that I never, ever stop there. I amuse myself by smugly riding right on past. Heh, that'll teach 'em. I wonder how much they spent on all those signs? :) Ron Jon Surf shop signs are almost as annoying once you get into Florida. But I saw those mainly over on the Gulf side. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 12:01:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06703 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12454 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA29348 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05186; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:01:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:01:22 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VZ800 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII STARAI -- There were a few of these reviews, when the bike first came out in '97. I own one. It's a capable, stable and well balanced mid size cruiser, with relatively few warts for a new model. Engine is based on the Intruder. Good price. Stock seat is # 1 complaint. Stock jetting is too lean. Many owners add washers under the jets, and add Cobra pipes for better performance. A bit buzzy at 70 MPH +. Owners report that adding a tooth to the front sprocket helps. Some owners report that a certain "accident" which causes marbles or golf tees to plug the PAIR system tubes helps as well... There is a mailing list catering to Marauders and Intruders. (marauder-request@XXXXXX; body of message: "subscribe") There are also some nascent web sites springing up here and there... Aftermarket is picking up for this bike. -ph On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > Anyone have a review of the Suzuki Marauder 800? > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 12:10:01 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA06812 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:56:58 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:56:14 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup@XXXXXX Subject: Starting a new job Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well, it's official. As of Jan. 4, 1999 I will be working somewhere else. = I'm gettin out of this place while the gettin's good. This e-mail = address will probably not function anymore after Dec. 24 although, I will = try to leave it active and forward to my home e-mail. I will be unsubbing = on Dec. 24 until I get my new address. In case anyone needs to e-mail me = after that, my home address is JrBogeyMan@XXXXXX. I guess this means = I'll have to check it more than once a month now. :-) Wish me luck. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 12:15:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06976 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12672 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA29852 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac3.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT root)@rac3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.143]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id MAA06212 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac3.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT sendmail)@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id MAA29571 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by rac3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id MAA29563 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:14:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac3.wam.umd.edu: elkouss owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:14:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Paul F. Elkouss" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: how do I unsubscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII same question as subject, how do I unsubscribe? Paul Elkouss University of Maryland 1990 Yamaha yx600 Radian From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 12:19:56 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA06987 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:22:11 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:22:03 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:11:43 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX Cc: pwrtrp@XXXXXX Subject: Consumer Reports Moto Recalls -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline They forgot the one where they nailed Buell for not having proper stickers ("DOT" or "tubeless" I forget which) on the wheels. >>> "John C. Kozyn" - 12/16/98 9:15 PM >>> Hey DC Guys and Gals, This, from alt.motorcycle.sportbike: http://www.consumerreports.org/Recalls/motcyc.html JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 12:42:49 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07383 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:32:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Paul F. Elkouss'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: how do I unsubscribe Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:29:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Go to http://www.dc-cycles.org and follow the same instructions for subscribing. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul F. Elkouss [SMTP:elkouss@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 12:15 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: how do I unsubscribe > > same question as subject, how do I unsubscribe? > > Paul Elkouss > University of Maryland > 1990 Yamaha yx600 Radian > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 13:08:25 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07796 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 374; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:58:38 -0500 Message-ID: <367946A5.9A21B58D@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:00:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SCOTT Rush CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Starting a new job References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought coneboy@XXXXXX would be the perfect home email address for you! :) So where ya werkin now? MCI Worldcom is having its typical end of the year budget spasms - there talking about selling our group out to EDS. ugg. I ain't wearing suits to work ever again. Not unless it's a riding suit. Anybody need a unix client app software tester? :) Horkster (no, I don't just read email all day...) SCOTT Rush wrote: > > Well, it's official. As of Jan. 4, 1999 I will be working somewhere else. I'm gettin out of this place while the gettin's good. This e-mail address will probably not function anymore after Dec. 24 although, I will try to leave it active and forward to my home e-mail. I will be unsubbing on Dec. 24 until I get my new address. In case anyone needs to e-mail me after that, my home address is JrBogeyMan@XXXXXX. I guess this means I'll have to check it more than once a month now. :-) Wish me luck. > > Scooter -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 13:38:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08292 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14051 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from c000.paix.cp.net (c000-h003.c000.paix.cp.net [209.228.15.141]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA02845 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 27348 invoked from network); 17 Dec 1998 10:38:03 -0800 Received: from chpm2-1-26.olg.com (HELO WS111) (207.226.128.26) by smtp.familyhealthcarepa.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 1998 10:38:03 -0800 X-Sent: 17 Dec 1998 18:38:03 GMT Reply-To: From: "George Howell" To: "'Peter Hartzler'" , Cc: Subject: RE: VZ800 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:37:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be29ec$5b727140$6f0000c0@WS111.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "George Howell" In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Don't forget the anemic power from an 800cc mill, the tool cover that falls off if you look at it wrong, and the funky swingarm cover. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Hartzler [mailto:ph@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 12:01 PM To: STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VZ800 STARAI -- There were a few of these reviews, when the bike first came out in '97. I own one. It's a capable, stable and well balanced mid size cruiser, with relatively few warts for a new model. Engine is based on the Intruder. Good price. Stock seat is # 1 complaint. Stock jetting is too lean. Many owners add washers under the jets, and add Cobra pipes for better performance. A bit buzzy at 70 MPH +. Owners report that adding a tooth to the front sprocket helps. Some owners report that a certain "accident" which causes marbles or golf tees to plug the PAIR system tubes helps as well... There is a mailing list catering to Marauders and Intruders. (marauder-request@XXXXXX; body of message: "subscribe") There are also some nascent web sites springing up here and there... Aftermarket is picking up for this bike. -ph On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > Anyone have a review of the Suzuki Marauder 800? > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 14:08:15 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08784 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:08:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812171908.OAA08784@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:07:39 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Georges opinions.. WAS: VZ800 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:05:04 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) George, I may be wrong.. but when have you owned one of these bikes? And do you have ANYTHING good to say about any bike beyond your precious BMW? In the time I've been watching you post, I can't recall seeing to many positive things coming out of your mouth - and it's just finally built up to the point where it irritates me to see the things you post. 800's in the cruiserish form are REALLY anemic - sure.. I have a friend I'd like you to meet.. rides a VX800 (same mill if I'm not mistaken) - he can show everyone on the list how anemic it is.. while waiting for all of us to cetch up. Perhaps you've an endless supply of new motorcycles, and so much time on your hands that you actually get to ride them all.. but if that were the case, we'd be reading about you in a magazine, or on some web-site. Personally, until you can show ANYONE some credentials that might justify your nagging.. I think you ought to remember what all of our mothers told us (which I'm obviously not following right now) - 'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all' ughhh.. frustrated with people who obviously know it all. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > > Don't forget the anemic power from an 800cc mill, the tool > cover that falls > off if you look at it wrong, and the funky swingarm cover. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 14:27:20 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09161 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18604 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:28:37 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DD02@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: Changing your riding position: NO EX Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:28:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well, this one is a long ways out of the area, but it's a pretty damn good deal nonetheless.... A truck, trailer, and a kick arse race bike for $3k Maybe someone interested could convince Dale or leon to ride all the way to the other coast to pick it up ;-) Oh wait.. then they'd have to drive a cage back .. sure they wouldn't want to do that... but they might be convinced to go take a look at it for you :) > -----Original Message----- > > dpalmer@XXXXXX (Dale Palmer) wrote: > > Funny you should ask, but I started selling bikes > about the time that I... > > DISCOUNTED MY BIKE BY OVER 500 BUCKS!!!! > > Thats right, I am dropping the price of my race bike/trailer/truck combo > down to $3000. Remember, Its a truck and a trailer, and a bike that took > the AFM 500 Twins Top Novice. > > Three thousand for a kick ass setup, just turn the key and go racing. > The bike can be viewed at: > > http://users.redrivernet.com/racer416/ > > IGNORE THE $3500 DOLLAR STICKER. TAKE THAT 500 BUCKS OFF NOW!!! > > NOW ONLY $3000!!!!! > > Get it while it's hot! > > Hows that for a deal Marc? From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 14:58:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09756 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:58:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA15338 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (PEOSMTP.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06069 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:58:19 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC391368BAE@ZEUS.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Daytona (Long but FUN) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:57:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) << Dale Horstman wrote>> I wonder how much they spent on all those signs? Funny that you should ask. I read recently that the owner of "South of the Border" is also the owner of the company that makes the billboards. Tony 96 CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 15:37:58 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10369 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DWPTGRVS; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:31:37 EST To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Changing your riding position: NO EX Message-ID: <19981216.140915.4247.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DD02@mscex> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-5,11-15 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:31:37 EST On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:28:34 -0500 "Fagan, Collin LT" writes: >Well, this one is a long ways out of the area, but it's a pretty damn good deal >nonetheless.... >A truck, trailer, and a kick arse race bike for $3k I have no idea what kind of bike this is (EX500 maybe?), but if this guy is selling a truck AND a trailer AND a race bike, it seems likely that of the three vehicles, the one in the best condition is going to be the trailer. Either that or the bike is top-notch and the truck and trailer are unsafe for travel on public roads (and should have "FARM USE ONLY" painted down their sides). Just my unqualified opinion, of course. :-) JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 15:57:53 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10678 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24281; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:57:44 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DD0A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'bike.dealer@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FW: Changing your riding position: NO EX Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:57:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Oops... posted too quickly before I remembered all the details weren't in the post... The race bike is a heavily modified EX500 (actually, it's bored out about as much as can be done if I recall). The trailer was nothing spectacular, just a simple 2 (or 3) rail trailer if I recall. The truck was a beater of course, but the guy said it's been running just fine, but it's not pretty to look at... On Thursday, December 17, 1998 3:32 PM, bike.dealer@XXXXXX [SMTP:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] wrote: > On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:28:34 -0500 "Fagan, Collin LT" writes: > >Well, this one is a long ways out of the area, but it's a pretty damn > good deal >nonetheless.... > >A truck, trailer, and a kick arse race bike for $3k > > > I have no idea what kind of bike this is (EX500 maybe?), but if this guy > is selling a truck AND a trailer AND a race bike, it seems likely that of > the three vehicles, the one in the best condition is going to be the > trailer. Either that or the bike is top-notch and the truck and trailer > are unsafe for travel on public roads (and should have "FARM USE ONLY" > painted down their sides). Just my unqualified opinion, of course. > > :-) > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 16:41:34 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11371 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 345; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:22:39 -0500 Message-ID: <36796864.72841117@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:24:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Georges opinions.. WAS: VZ800 References: <199812171908.OAA08784@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bash away at George if you must, but I read a similar article complaining about the Marauder's missing tool cover and funky bumpy plastic sidepanels. That's all I needed to know. Don't know about the anemic engine part, never ridden one. It's not on my list of priorities, either. :) McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > George, I may be wrong.. but when have you owned one of these bikes? > And do you have ANYTHING good to say about any bike beyond your > precious BMW? Actually, George seems to like Kawi's and I think he's growing fond of that old Goldwing he's got. I don't think I'd ever accuse him of being Beemer-centric. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 16:41:33 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11370 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 106; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:25:22 -0500 Message-ID: <36796908.B1A6994@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:26:48 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: FW: Changing your riding position: NO EX References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DD02@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > > A truck, trailer, and a kick arse race bike for $3k > Maybe someone interested could convince Dale or leon to ride all the way to > the other coast to pick it up ;-) > Oh wait.. then they'd have to drive a cage back .. sure they wouldn't want > to do that... Actually, before I got into bikes, I thought driving everywhere was pretty cool, too. Except as a passenger, then it's a snooze-a-rama. I suppose I'd submit my Connie to a ride in a trailer back from the left coast for proper ($$$) inducement. 50cc anyone? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 17:54:02 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (root@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12607 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:53:59 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA08720; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:19:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812172219.RAA08720@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Georges opinions.. WAS: VZ800 To: Horkster@XXXXXX (Dale Horstman) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:19:36 -0500 (EST) Cc: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36796864.72841117@tidalwave.net> from "Dale Horstman" at Dec 17, 98 03:24:04 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Don't know about the anemic engine part, never ridden one. > It's not on my list of priorities, either. :) > I had a pleasure to swap bikes with Thane. Very nice scooter; his was well used, so I was not willing to test wether it will go into full tank slapper above 90 miles, or only will look like.. Keep in mind that two hours earlier Thane was driving around me on 211. So once again, it is not the bike, but the rider. > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 18:45:01 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13449 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:45:00 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5EDAa01954; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:08:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1cb3e752.36798eeb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:08:27 EST To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Daytona (actually Jacksonville) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/17/98 2:34:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, raymondlucas@XXXXXX writes: << The next sign you see after "entering Jacksonville City Limits" is "Jacksonville 25 miles". - The city has a hotline to r >> I seem to remember that area-wise Jacksonville is the biggest "city" in the world. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 19:15:53 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA14095 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:15:52 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr52-dialup21.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.213]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33510) with SMTP id <0F4400ALOWKXKQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:12:37 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:13:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Georges opinions.. WAS: VZ800 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Message-id: <00cd01be2a1b$458ffb20$d54f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >ughhh.. frustrated with people who obviously know it all. > >Brian Yeah baby, yeah(Austin Powers voice) always willing to fling a little do-do, I like it....... Jon "me, instigate?" From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 19:16:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA14105 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA19473 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.cw.net (pm04sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA16524 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:15:58 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr52-dialup21.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.213]) by PM04SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33508) with SMTP id <0F4400EEEWO8CC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:14:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:15:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Daytona (Long but FUN) To: "Suazo, Tony" , DC Cycles Message-id: <00d201be2a1b$8c470220$d54f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Funny that you should ask. I read recently that the owner of "South of the >Border" is also the owner of the company that makes the billboards. > >Tony >96 CBR600 F3 That would explain it all right! How else could he have all those damn billboards everywhere......... Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 19:51:19 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14727 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:51:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981218005313.5167.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.201.84] by send206.yahoomail.com; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:53:13 PST Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:53:13 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Daytona (actually Jacksonville) To: Boiade@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's what they claimed as soon as they incorporated the county. Jax city limits is the entire county except for three beach towns (less than 10 mi2), Jax is a little bigger than Rhode Island. ---Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 12/17/98 2:34:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, > raymondlucas@XXXXXX writes: > > << The next sign you see after "entering Jacksonville City Limits" is > "Jacksonville 25 miles". > - The city has a hotline to r >> > I seem to remember that area-wise Jacksonville is the biggest "city" in the > world. > > Ciao, > > Fred > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 19:53:02 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA14737 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust038.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.38]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA14019; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:52:58 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981218005013.006a2784@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:50:13 -0500 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: FW: Changing your riding position: NO EX Sounds good to me, I don't care much how I get across country. Only problem is finding 4 days to do it. Heck, if you'll pay for the plane ticket out there, food and gas, I'll take a three day weekend and do half the driving coming back. I'm not very particular about what I eat, wherever you decide to stop is fine by me. Leon. At 02:28 PM 12/17/98 -0500, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >Well, this one is a long ways out of the area, but it's a pretty damn good >deal nonetheless.... >A truck, trailer, and a kick arse race bike for $3k >Maybe someone interested could convince Dale or leon to ride all the way to >the other coast to pick it up ;-) >Oh wait.. then they'd have to drive a cage back .. sure they wouldn't want >to do that... but they might be convinced to go take a look at it for you :) > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> dpalmer@XXXXXX (Dale Palmer) wrote: >> >> Funny you should ask, but I started selling bikes >> about the time that I... >> >> DISCOUNTED MY BIKE BY OVER 500 BUCKS!!!! >> >> Thats right, I am dropping the price of my race bike/trailer/truck combo >> down to $3000. Remember, Its a truck and a trailer, and a bike that took >> the AFM 500 Twins Top Novice. >> >> Three thousand for a kick ass setup, just turn the key and go racing. >> The bike can be viewed at: >> >> http://users.redrivernet.com/racer416/ >> >> IGNORE THE $3500 DOLLAR STICKER. TAKE THAT 500 BUCKS OFF NOW!!! >> >> NOW ONLY $3000!!!!! >> >> Get it while it's hot! >> >> Hows that for a deal Marc? > > Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 20:59:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15727 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA20905 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA18457 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-111-32.s32.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.32]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14959 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:00:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3679B5FC.E38C2EC@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:55:08 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Georges opinions.. WAS: VZ800 References: <199812171908.OAA08784@meretrix.com> <36796864.72841117@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't ridden a Marauder, but I've ridden an intruder with the exact same motor in it.. nothing anemic about it at all...Aslo, ask some of the WSDY gang about Thane Stielow standing his vertical on numerous occasions as well as making them all wonder how in the heck he got to the rest stop so quickly in front of them :) Dale Horstman wrote: > Actually, George seems to like Kawi's and I think he's growing > fond of that old Goldwing he's got. I don't think I'd ever > accuse him of being Beemer-centric. What planet have you been on?? yeah, he likes Kawi's alright, but blessed be the beemer which is mentioned in about 94% of the posts only to be outmentioned by Angie, who appears in 99.5% of all of George's posts! :) For the person asking the original questions, Steve Clark (not on list) has a 98 Marauder and could probably give you some useful information on the bikes postives and negatives... email me direct if you're intersted and I'll dig up his email addy. Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 21:50:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16592 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA21428 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA19527 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:47:17 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: George's opinions.. WAS: VZ800 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:52:29 -0500 Message-ID: <001701be2a31$73e67600$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3679B5FC.E38C2EC@geocities.com> > I haven't ridden a Marauder, but I've ridden an intruder with the exact > same motor in it.. Ahh, but therein lies the rub. The Marauder engine is NOT the exact same one as that in the Intruder 800. It's less of a motor. Which was my point in the first place (different cams, carbs?, different power, different shake) > What planet have you been on?? yeah, he likes Kawi's alright, but > blessed be the beemer which is mentioned in about 94% of the posts only > to be outmentioned by Angie, who appears in 99.5% of all of George's > posts! :) Must be slipping should mention the BMW in 95% and Angie in 99.9%. I'll try to make up for it by mentioning them both twice in future posts;) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 17 21:56:44 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16615 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:43:12 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: George's opinions.. WAS: VZ800 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:48:24 -0500 Message-ID: <001601be2a30$e17e4c20$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <36796864.72841117@tidalwave.net> > Actually, George seems to like Kawi's and I think he's growing > fond of that old Goldwing he's got. I don't think I'd ever > accuse him of being Beemer-centric. Dale, Actually, I am a bit of a Beemer-phile. They've got some really great stuff out there. (As well as a fair supply of ugly pointless junk. Luckily, most of that is gone) But you're spot on about Kawi's. Always liked 'em. Honda's evil twin brother:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 00:18:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18881 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA23917 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA22378 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:14:42 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Nighthawk Tire recommendations? Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:19:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01be2a46$0c57a3a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Might get stuck buying tires when I go get the Nighthawk inspected next week. Any recommendations? It'll be for not the world's most aggressive rider. In addition, I suspect it'll be doing serious slab time to get down to SC and then serve commuter duty. Also won't be seeing much (intentional) wet weather riding. Sizes are: 110/80-18 Front 140/70-17 Rear Looking through some listings, they seem to be fairly decent tires. I was happy with Metzler MEZ (2&4??) on my (cough, cough) BMW, but somehow, I think they might wear to fast for this bikes likely use. Dunlop Elite II has worked okay on my Wing (but not sure if they are aggressive enough) Anybody have any more input on Conti's or Avon's? I remember the Avon's being mentioned (by Collin?) six months or so ago when the tire question came up. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 00:53:44 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19434 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA24301 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA22954 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:53:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-111-32.s32.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27181; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:53:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3679ED05.F058DC08@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:49:57 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Nighthawk Tire recommendations? References: <000f01be2a46$0c57a3a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, I mentioned the Avon Azarros.... they're a radial tire, so I'm not sure if they'll go good on the Nighthawk and I'm not real sure if they can be found in those sizes.... As a plug for those things other than my wonderful use of them, there's a guy that parks in my parking garage that got a set abou the same time I did when they first came out (1.5 years ago??? can't remember).. I saw him in the garage yesterday and asked him how many sets of the tires he'd gone through since the things literally looked brand new... he said..15 thousand miles and still going strong???? And there aren't but about 1/4 inch worth of chicken stripes on his tires! They're on a Triumph Daytona 1200... You might try the Avon SuperVenoms.. Brian M used those on his VF and they seemed really good. The Michelin Macadams are also excellent tires that would fit that bike (or so I hear). On the maxim, I'm going with the IRC RW-010.... I like the tread pattern on them and the compound feels like a nice medium hard/soft. I'll let everyone know how they are once I get em on the bike... Collin George Howell wrote: > Anybody have any more input on Conti's or Avon's? I remember the Avon's > being mentioned (by Collin?) six months or so ago when the tire question > came up. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 07:21:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26603 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA28288 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA28123 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA10307; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:20:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981218071636.008cf6b0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:16:36 -0500 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, tl000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Bike week In-Reply-To: <1aef8d1b.3677bb65@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:53 AM 12/16/98 EST, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >Is anyone going to this? The dates are Feb. 26- March 7 in Daytona Beach, FL. >Ive never been and would like to go this upcoming year. I know its still two >months away, but just curious if anyone doesnt wanna do a group ride going >down and back. Or, since it is such a long ride, is anyone trailering there >bikes? If so, got room for one more? I can share costs.... Anyway, its still >early, and its just a thought. We will be going down on the Tuesday after the NASB weekend. Hopefully I'll be able to qualify for the 200 without any problems. If anybody is going to be at the track and want to pit crew for Team Charm let me know off list. Assuming I qualify we are going to need help in the pits on raceday. Any assistance would be appreciated. Besides it is always more fun to be part of the race rather than just watching it. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 07:43:20 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA26895 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ADE5EDD0206; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:43:17 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981218073950.00fdd800@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:41:00 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Georges opinions.. WAS: VZ800 In-Reply-To: <36796864.72841117@tidalwave.net> References: <199812171908.OAA08784@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >> >> George, I may be wrong.. but when have you owned one of these bikes? >> And do you have ANYTHING good to say about any bike beyond your >> precious BMW? Well, when it's about his beater Gold Wing, for instance. The one I saw him ride to the BMW meeting. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 07:43:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26898 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA28452 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA28324 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ADE6EDD0206; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:43:18 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981218074341.00fc28b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:45:30 -0500 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Chicken stripes? Cc: DC Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3679ED05.F058DC08@geocities.com> References: <000f01be2a46$0c57a3a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:49 AM 12/18/98 , Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > And there aren't but about 1/4 inch worth of chicken stripes >on his tires! They're on a Triumph Daytona 1200... Ha ha! What are chicken stripes? The unused tread on the sides? Have read of poseurs buying old raced tires to look better, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 08:27:53 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27588 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10827; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:29:05 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DD0C@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Chris Norloff'" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Chicken stripes? Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:29:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yep, slang term associated with how much unused tire is on the outside edges... On Friday, December 18, 1998 8:16 AM, Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] wrote: > Ha ha! What are chicken stripes? The unused tread on the sides? > > Have read of poseurs buying old raced tires to look better, Yep, seen that too, but the chicken stripes usually reappear after a hundred miles or so....So then they look even sillier! :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 09:29:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28487 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29591 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA29885 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Dec 18 09:19 EST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA17010 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE2A6A.10718E50@XXXXXX>; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:37:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cycles USA Location Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:37:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone tell me how to get to Cycles USA for the Open House tomorrow? I know it's off of Georgia Av., but which way do I go from there? (I'll be coming off the beltway coming from (more or less) Bethesda) TIA. --John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 09:51:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28868 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00031 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (smtp4.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.43]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00499 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:50:58 -0500 (EST) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA39268; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:36:25 -0500 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.7/NCO v1.7) with SMTP id JAA31544; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:49:55 -0500 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 852566DE.00517814 ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:49:51 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: jcarver@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566DE.0051771D.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:49:26 -0500 Subject: Cycles USA Location Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline John, Cycles USA is at the intersection of Ga. Ave. and Conn. Ave. in Wheaton. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 12-18-98 09:45 AM --------------------------- "Carver, John" on 12-18-98 09:37:42 AM To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: (bcc: Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM) Subject: Cycles USA Location Can someone tell me how to get to Cycles USA for the Open House tomorrow? I know it's off of Georgia Av., but which way do I go from there? (I'll be coming off the beltway coming from (more or less) Bethesda) TIA. --John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 09:59:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28953 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00108 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00657 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07902; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:55:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:55:42 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "Carver, John" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Cycles USA Location In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Carver, John wrote: > Can someone tell me how to get to Cycles USA for the Open House > tomorrow? Go north On Georgia from the beltway. You'll cross Aspen Hill Rd and then Connecticut Ave just before you get to the store. It's on the right just after Conn. Ave. You'll be on Georgia for quite awhile, almost 10 miles. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 10:02:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29041 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00173 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00757 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:02:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812181502.KAA00757@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:02:20 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: jcarver@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cycles USA Location Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:02:17 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) which means that if you're coming from the beltway, it's about 5 miles (random guess) up 97 on the right hand side. It's AFTER the Conn ave intersection.. rather hard to miss once on 97.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > John, Cycles USA is at the intersection of Ga. Ave. and Conn. Ave. in > Wheaton. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 10:18:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29323 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00414 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:18:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (smtp-gw.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01316 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06151 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:21:50 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED710@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: HOV Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:21:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain I forget, are all HOV lanes open to motorcyclists? The Dulles Toll road? I know the one on 66 specifically mentions motorcycles, but how about the others? Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 10:27:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29498 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00512 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA01578 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA07751; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:29:07 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma007247; Fri, 18 Dec 98 10:27:44 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F4600HOL2XGN7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566DE.00546848 ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:21:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:07:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Cycles USA Location To: "Carver, John" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <852566DE.00531EDA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL This should help ... their web site ---> http://www.cyclesusa.com/directions.html or alternatively ... >From Beltway 495, take exit 31A north approximately 6 miles to the intersection of Georgia and Connecticut Avenues. We are located on the right! >From I-270, take route 28 east approximately 6 miles to route 97 (Georgia Avenue). Turn right on Georgia, go approximately 2 miles to the intersection of Georgia and Connecticut Avenues. We are on the left. --chris To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: From: "Carver, John" Date: 12/18/98 02:37:42 PM GMT Subject: Cycles USA Location Can someone tell me how to get to Cycles USA for the Open House tomorrow? I know it's off of Georgia Av., but which way do I go from there? (I'll be coming off the beltway coming from (more or less) Bethesda) TIA. --John 98VFR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 10:46:47 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29823 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20829 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:48:02 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DD1B@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Saturday Ride Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:47:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Greetings all, A couple of us have been talking about heading out for a short ride tomorrow. Since the weather this time of year is so unpredictable, the planned route isn't too long, but there are options to make it longer if the weather is nice. We're meeting at the Sterling, VA Burger King for an 1100-1120 departure. Round trip from there is only about 100 miles. Due to the cold weather (and my bald tires) the pace won't be too very fast. Translated, that means if we split into two groups as usual, the fast group will be about like I led it at last time... a few over the limit, but by no means pushing anyones limits... If only a few show up, pace will be dictated by arrivals.... Collin Directions to the BK are fairly easy (we meet there often enough I ought to just make a web page :)). Find your way to VA Rte 7 (Leesburgh Pike) heading west. about 14-15 miles west of the beltway, you'll pass NOVA community college on the right. (wave at the folks taking the MSF course). The BK is about another 1/2 mile up on the right... There's a 7/11 right there for gas as well...can't miss it. C ya there! From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 11:06:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00306 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01361 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA03212 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:08:25 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:07:54 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: david@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline As far as I know, all HOV lanes are open to motorcycles. Not sure of the = Dulles Toll Road though. Scooter >>> David Cross 12/18/98 10:21AM >>> I forget, are all HOV lanes open to motorcyclists? The Dulles Toll road? I know the one on 66 specifically mentions motorcycles, but how about the others? Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com=20 --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 13:17:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02382 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA03471 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA07693 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AC1811D053E; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:16:56 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981218130127.00fc5af0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:09:15 -0500 To: david@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: HOV In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>> David Cross 12/18/98 10:21AM >>> >I forget, are all HOV lanes open to motorcyclists? The Dulles Toll >road? I know the one on 66 specifically mentions motorcycles, but how >about the others? I believe it's legal - see attached code below. Proabably a good idea to read the law carefully, and to carry a copy of it with you. Virginia earned itself a bad reputation for not following Federal law when HOV lanes first came around. Motorcycles are specifically included in Virginia law now, so it would only be a problem if the highway didn't fall in the right category. Federal law requires any highway that gets Federal funds be open to motorcycles in the HOV lanes. Chris Norloff from http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+33.1-46.2 =A7 33.1-46.2=20 Designation of high-occupancy vehicle lanes; use of such lanes; penalties=20 "[HOV lanes] shall be reserved during periods designated by the Board for the exclusive use of buses and high-occupancy vehicles. ... no designation of any lane or lanes of any highway as HOV lanes shall apply to the use of any such lanes by:=20 1. Emergency vehicles such as fire-fighting vehicles, ambulances, and rescue squad vehicles,=20 2. Law-enforcement vehicles,=20 3. Motorcycles,=20 4. a. Transit and commuter buses designed to transport sixteen or more passengers, including the driver,=20 b. Commuter buses and motorcoaches operating under irregular route passenger certificates issued under =A746.2-2010 and any vehicle operating under a certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity or as a common carrier of passengers under =A746.2-2004 or =A746.2-2010,=20 5. Vehicles of public utility companies operating in response to an emergency call, or=20 6. Until July 1, 1999, vehicles bearing clean special fuel vehicle license plates issued pursuant to =A746.2-749.3. " From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 14:19:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03465 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04339 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA09934 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:21:50 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:21:44 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:48:26 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Nighthawk Tire recommendations? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline George, I've only got experience with various Dunlops and Metzlers on my bikes over the years. IMO, for dry stick go with ME33/ME1 combo. For more rear miles, substitute ME99. Dunlop K491 Elite II combo will probably last longest, cost a bit less and they stick just fine, especially for "not the world's most aggressive rider." I've liked all these tires depending on bike, mood, use. Joe '85 zx 900 w/new Metzlers >>> "George Howell" - 12/18/98 12:19 AM >>> Might get stuck buying tires when I go get the Nighthawk inspected next week. Any recommendations? It'll be for not the world's most aggressive rider. In addition, I suspect it'll be doing serious slab time to get down to SC and then serve commuter duty. Also won't be seeing much (intentional) wet weather riding. Sizes are: 110/80-18 Front 140/70-17 Rear Looking through some listings, they seem to be fairly decent tires. I was happy with Metzler MEZ (2&4??) on my (cough, cough) BMW, but somehow, I think they might wear to fast for this bikes likely use. Dunlop Elite II has worked okay on my Wing (but not sure if they are aggressive enough) Anybody have any more input on Conti's or Avon's? I remember the Avon's being mentioned (by Collin?) six months or so ago when the tire question came up. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 14:24:56 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03569 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13538 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:24:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:24:48 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Opinions desired Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since the day is slow (and dc-cycles is even slower) I thought I'd see what folks opinions were on some funky looking hard bags for the superhawk. Check out the pics at: http://www.corbin.com/honda/vtrbag.html They're small, weird looking, "permanent", and $800 but they're still hard bags. I'm half thinking about getting some, if only because of boredom today... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 15:14:32 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA04447 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:15:55 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:15:14 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Opinions desired Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I think they're kinda neat looking myself. The price is a little much = though. You're right, the list is SLOW and I'm bored also. Must be the = holiday blah's. :-) Scooter >>> Kirk Roy 12/18/98 02:24PM >>> They're small, weird looking, "permanent", and $800 but they're still hard bags. I'm half thinking about getting some, if only because of boredom today... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 15:16:57 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04553 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DWSCY2J8; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:16:05 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Opinions desired Message-ID: <19981217.130647.4351.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-14,17-18,23-26 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:16:05 EST On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:24:48 -0500 (EST) Kirk Roy writes: >Since the day is slow (and dc-cycles is even slower) I thought I'd see >what folks opinions were on some funky looking hard bags for the >superhawk. Check out the pics at: > http://www.corbin.com/honda/vtrbag.html > I've seen these bags before in real life and they inspired the following poem: U...G...L...Y ! They ain't got no alibi ! They're ugly ! That's right, I said they're ugly ! This poem doubles as a good cheer if you find yourself at a sporting event where beer is sold. Consumption of beer makes it exponentially funnier... Now, seriously, the owner said they worked okay (not a lot of space inside, but better thsn nothing) and the styling no longer made him happy (it had in the beginning). He said if he had it to do over again, he'd have bought removable bags (either GIVI-style hard ones or Wolfman soft ones). JohnDavid@Bikes R Us If you want an opinion, you've come to the right place! ;-) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 15:29:31 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04775 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 119; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:28:35 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19981218152559.014b2480@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:28:30 -0500 To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Opinions desired In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From the back, the bike looks like it has a giant ass. The bags themselves look kinda cool from the sides. At 02:24 PM 12/18/98 , Kirk Roy wrote: >Since the day is slow (and dc-cycles is even slower) I thought I'd see >what folks opinions were on some funky looking hard bags for the >superhawk. Check out the pics at: > http://www.corbin.com/honda/vtrbag.html > >They're small, weird looking, "permanent", and $800 but they're still >hard bags. I'm half thinking about getting some, if only because of >boredom today... > >Kirk ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 20:41:40 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA09764 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:41:39 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FYBHa01498; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:32:40 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <3712f691.367b0238@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:32:40 EST To: cfagan@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Chicken stripes? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Yeah, Chicken Stripes are highly overrated. A knowledgeable bullshitter knows that all you have to do to look like you are an elbow slider is to run your tires at 15 lbs. for a few hundred miles and you will scrub them to the edge without much effort. I run my tires at 41 back and 38 front, I like my tires to last. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 21:25:49 1998 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (PEOSMTP.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10566 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:26:06 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC391149F3B@ZEUS.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Saturday Ride Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:25:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Could someone please re-post the info for the ride tomorrow? I saved that e-mail to my local drive at work and can't access from home. Thanks. Tony Suazo CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 22:21:28 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11643 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s1.wizard.net (tc1-s1.wizard.net [206.161.15.31]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA18576; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:21:24 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: SuazoT@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:29:01 -0500 Message-ID: <36811c3b.257640202@smtp.wizard.net> References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC391149F3B@ZEUS.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> In-Reply-To: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC391149F3B@ZEUS.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:25:35 -0500, "Suazo, Tony" wrote: >Could someone please re-post the info for the ride tomorrow? I saved = that >e-mail to my local drive at work and can't access from home. The ride is meeting at the Burger King on Rte 7 in Sterling, VA... departure time 11:20 (if memory serves, I recommend getting there at 11:00 am). If you are heading west on Rte 7 from Tysons, the BK will be on the right side of Rte 7. If you are coming up 28N to Rte 7, you need to take Rte 7 East, go through one light, you will see BK on left, make a u-turn at next light to get to BK. Hope that helps! Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 22:50:13 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12102 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA07235; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:50:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367B4CFD.48F5@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:51:41 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: gixer@XXXXXX, Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Chicken stripes? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Chris Norloff > > At 12:49 AM 12/18/98 , Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > And there aren't but about 1/4 inch worth of chicken stripes > >on his tires! They're on a Triumph Daytona 1200... > Ha ha! What are chicken stripes? The unused tread on the sides? > Have read of poseurs buying old raced tires to look better, > Chris Norloff Hey, my solution is even better Chris. Check this out... I think someone posted several weeks ago a question regarding how to get rid of those damned chicken stripes. I use a Scotch-Brite pad dipped in acetone. Eats up those chicken stripes quicker than anything! JK From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 18 23:30:00 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12716 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA07620 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:29:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367B5655.2351@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:31:33 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Evel Knievel Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys & Gals, Sunday at 2200 hrs on A&E. Thrills and spills... Be there. Aloha. JK From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 00:08:19 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13400 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA13853; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:04:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:03:26 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Bike week To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Jordan, Michael wrote: > When I left the motel in St Augustine on Saturday AM, I saw two H-D Ultra > Classic Tour Glides with Virginia tags - one in the back of a pickup and one > on a trailer behind the pickup (pickup & trailer had VA tags too) - why > bother? Guess you guys have never seen the t-shirt,"I rode my bike to Trailer Week". ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 00:15:15 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13577 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA13948; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:11:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:11:15 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Iceon roads To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > Wait a minute.. I thought my wife said she wasn't going ;-) > Collin > (and yes, I was joking too, and Penny won't be offended anyhow..she's use= d > to it by now) > On Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:18 AM, Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO > [SMTP:HolmesM@XXXXXX] wrote: > > The "bust" trip?=A0 Woo-hoo!=A0 This is going to be good! > > Mitch > > (Just kidding) You guys missed that one WSDYMFG ride.We saw the Confederate Breast Works.It was quite a view(don't you have pics,Jon?). ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> =20 '98 FXDS-Conv =20 From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 00:31:10 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13845 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14037; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:26:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:19:37 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: The Chicken Gun To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981216144622.00fc7450@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > The first time I heard that one I was working for the Navy, and it was > about the Air Force shooting frozen chickens at their fighter aircraft. You should see what a bird can do to a plane.When I worked A-10's,it wasn't a big deal because of their speed and engine(nacelle) design.We had one hit a flock of birds(23 strikes) and all it did was make some dents and require the engines water-washed and bore-scoped. But F-4's...we once had the wing commander hit a bird that was carrying a snake.The bird went through the nose radome and completely trashed the entire radar package.The snake went into the #1 intake(left) and tore the motor all to hell.Those little compressor blades were never made to be food processors.After the jet landed it was put on a boxcar and shipped off to the boneyard as a writeoff. At 500+,there's no difference to a windscreen between a bird and a bullet. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 00:36:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13946 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA13191 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA25556 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14081; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:33:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:32:08 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: VZ800 To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone have a review of the Suzuki Marauder 800? Go to Moto Online(http://www.motorcycle.com) and check out their middlewight cruiser review. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 00:51:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA14176 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA13304 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA25704 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14161; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:47:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:45:58 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Nighthawk Tire recommendations? To: George Howell cc: DC Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: <000f01be2a46$0c57a3a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > Might get stuck buying tires when I go get the Nighthawk inspected next > week. Any recommendations? It'll be for not the world's most aggressive > rider. In addition, I suspect it'll be doing serious slab time to get down > to SC and then serve commuter duty. Also won't be seeing much (intentional) > wet weather riding. I really liked the Dunlop K591's I had on my VFR750.If you're not going to ride too hard they should last ok if you get the street compounds. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 00:54:41 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA14194 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14183; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:51:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:48:32 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: ZRX1100 sighting, and other goodies. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <6013815e.36786349@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > I was at Cycle Sport in Herndon this afternoon when they rolled their brand > new ZRX1100 through the front door......yum. Nice paint. It's not the usual (snip) They look like pretty sweet bikes,but personally I think I'd prefer the Yam XJR(?)1200.Especially if they put the motor back to FJ12 specs. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 01:29:16 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14738 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:15:44 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: ZRX1100 sighting, and other goodies. Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:20:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be2b17$b4603a40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Is that the yellow and black one? Is it actually coming to the States this year? Saw a review of that (might have been vs. the ZRX1100 or maybe that one liter Honda) last year in RiDE or Bike. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 02:58:20 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16756 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA14782; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:54:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:50:18 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: ZRX1100 sighting, and other goodies. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000001be2b17$b4603a40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > Is that the yellow and black one? Is it actually coming to the States this > year? Saw a review of that (might have been vs. the ZRX1100 or maybe that > one liter Honda) last year in RiDE or Bike. The test I saw had the plain black one.It's been out for like two years now,I just don't think it's gotten out of Japan yet. I really hope they learn the lesson Honda did.The CB1000 just didn't have the oomph to impress the American buying public.The test I saw with the Yam was I believe in _Super Bike_ and they compared it to the old XS1100.In terms of 1/4mi/roll on/top end it was a pretty close match.I hope Yam takes the motor up to full FJ spec.I demoed one back in '90 and it had a killer motor. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 05:36:56 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA21532 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-111-32.s32.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.32]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA19636; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:36:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367B80F1.32367AC0@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:33:21 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Suazo, Tony" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC391149F3B@ZEUS.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry this wasn't sooner.. Brian and I just got in from a party ;-) (mmmmm sleeep) Leaving from the Burger King along route 7 in sterling. head west on 7 from beltway. After about 13-14 miles you will pass NOVA community college on the right (wave at the folks in the MSF class). Continue another mile or so. BK will be on the right side of the road next to a 7-11... Looking at about 100 miles round trip, maybe more if it really warms up... If you have any problems with the directions, feel free to give me a call at the house...but please, wait till about 9:30 or later to call... I want at least 4 hours sleep :) Collin Suazo, Tony wrote: > > Could someone please re-post the info for the ride tomorrow? I saved that > e-mail to my local drive at work and can't access from home. > > Thanks. > > Tony Suazo > CBR600 F3 -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 05:48:36 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA21687 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA15370; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:45:02 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:43:14 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Consumer Reports Moto Recalls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36786929.76F6@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > http://www.consumerreports.org/Recalls/motcyc.html Not a very complete listing.Also,some of the discriptions could use work.Like the TL's,"if the front wheel hits a bump,rider could lose control". I hope it's not that bad. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 05:52:54 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA21766 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA15386; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:49:20 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:45:16 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: ZRX1100 sighting, and other goodies. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > I would definitely pass on the Bandit. The SV650 coming out will be just > $5700 at full retail and has better specs all around than the Bandit > including something like 75 lbs less weight... I really like the idea of the SV.I thought the VX's were pretty cool. But with what the TL owner's have been dealing with,if this is a scaled-down TL it might be prudent to wait a year for the bugs to be worked out. Hey look at the upside,maybe we'll see another tread.Everybody jumped on the bandwagon with 600 four's,maybe they'll all start putting out 600 V-twins.Four new versions of the Hawk would be pretty neat. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 05:54:50 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA21784 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA15401; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:51:16 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:49:30 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: sv650 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004001be297f$74e1e7e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > http://www.2wf.com/html/bikes/latesttest/suzisv650x/suzisv650x.shtml I had probs with this site until I just went to http://www.2wf.com. Then I could navigate the site with no probs. Anyone else check out that purple/yellow XX?Sweeeet! The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 06:02:04 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA21977 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 06:02:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA15428; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:58:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:51:55 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Flamethrower now an option on S. African cars To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981217082258.00fdc4f0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > Flamethrower now an option on S. African cars > http://cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/ Wot in the 'ell kinda traffic do they have over there?You shoulda seen the little option they had for Range Rovers back in the 80's.To protect against attacks from rebels,they invented a device called the Spider.It was a pepperbox-style shotgun with 24,36,or 48 barrels arranged in two circles mounted on the roof.The top row stuck straight out,the bottom row angled down slightly.You turned a hand crank inside the cab and it fired off the barrels in groups. Bet they don't have many bikers lane-splitting over there. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 07:36:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23341 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 07:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA17098 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 07:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA29074 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 07:36:49 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WYXPa21690 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 07:35:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 07:35:57 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: HOV Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 In a message dated 12/18/98 11:12:26 Eastern Standard Time, SRUSH@XXXXXX writes: << As far as I know, all HOV lanes are open to motorcycles. Not sure of the Dulles Toll Road though. >> As I passed numerous Agents of the Revenue in the Dulles HOV lane last week, I got nary a glance. Solo cagers, however, were another story. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 09:12:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24699 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17847 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29589 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:12:12 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WDETa12871 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:11:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <92683401.367bb411@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:11:29 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: more on VZ800 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 The VZ800 seems very slow....surprising since the VX800 was pretty fast. Do think it would still out accelerate most cages? From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 10:33:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25903 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18544 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00333 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17486; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:33:22 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:33:22 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on VZ800 In-Reply-To: <92683401.367bb411@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII STARAI -- Accelerating faster than most cages is no test of a motorcycle! The Marauder is not a particularly fast bike. It's not intended to be. it's a cruiser, and it's meant for people who want to cruise along, well content to let others get "there" first. If you're interested in going fast, then the Marauder is not the bike, or even the right kind of bike for you. That said, they to compare favorably with other cruisers in their class, and their performance can be enhanced considerably by a knowlegable wrench. -ph On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > The VZ800 seems very slow....surprising since the VX800 was pretty fast. > Do think it would still out accelerate most cages? From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 10:57:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26284 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18725 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00899 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:53:59 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: petersen publishing sold Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:59:10 -0500 Message-ID: <003501be2b68$842a2420$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Petersen publishing got sold to EMAP, according to www.2wf.com. They claim no change in editorial direction, but... EMAP puts out some good UK mags. We can only hope... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 11:01:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26364 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18785 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00919 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:01:09 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9MNGa05995; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:59:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1af5add9.367bcd7f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:59:59 EST To: ph@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more on VZ800 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Do you mean that an adjustment can improve performance? I thought that almost any bike would out perform any cage, as far as acceleration. I am attributing poor performance to my limited skill level. I assume I need to get better at working through the gears....the ratios seem to be different In a message dated 12/19/98 10:37:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, ph@XXXXXX writes: << STARAI -- Accelerating faster than most cages is no test of a motorcycle! The Marauder is not a particularly fast bike. It's not intended to be. it's a cruiser, and it's meant for people who want to cruise along, well content to let others get "there" first. If you're interested in going fast, then the Marauder is not the bike, or even the right kind of bike for you. That said, they to compare favorably with other cruisers in their class, and their performance can be enhanced considerably by a knowlegable wrench. -ph On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > The VZ800 seems very slow....surprising since the VX800 was pretty fast. > Do think it would still out accelerate most cages? >> From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 11:51:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27075 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19173 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01661 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17796; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:51:00 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:51:00 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on VZ800 In-Reply-To: <1af5add9.367bcd7f@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII STARAI -- On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > Do you mean that an adjustment can improve performance? This is almost always true of a stock motorcycle these days. Our beloved EPA forces manufacturers to jet very lean, which sacrifices performance for more complete combustion. There are some other systems that likewise trade performance for air quality. My remarks in my previous emails also still hold, of course. Is your bike new? I'm assuming that you own one, though you've not said as much -- The machine won't be broken until at least 600 to 1000 miles, during which time you want to baby the thing, to allow the moving parts to get to know each other. You will almost certainly notice a large increase in performance after your 600 mile service. > I thought that almost any bike would out perform any cage, as far as > acceleration. Well, most cars have more power, and more torque, but they also have more weight. And a small bike won't outperform a powerful car, etc. etc. Apples and oranges, really. (And this is a favorite kindling point for flame wars, so be warned.) I don't have any trouble running away from cars when I want to. But, I definitely avoid getting into situations where this sort of thing matters! > I am attributing poor performance to my limited skill level. I > assume I need to get better at working through the gears....the ratios seem to > be different Different from what? As I mentioned earlier, some owners find themselves wanting another top gear. As the MSF says, motorcycling is "ninety percent mental" (this means I'm qualified. ;) In other words, the state of tune of the rider is at least as important as that of the bike. (If you haven't taken the MSF RSS course yet, you should!!) If you're in the area I'd be willing to check out your ride and tell you if it's wildly different from what I've come to expect from mine... Cheers, Pete. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 12:00:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27230 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19296 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01838 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:00:18 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9INHa29091; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:59:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4ca0ada9.367bdb5e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:59:10 EST To: ph@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more on VZ800 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 It is new....had the 600 mile check....now has 1400 miles. I did baby it and am now running it out. Still doesn't seem to blow by the cages but could be a mistaken perception...could be my driving. Is changing the jet like running with the choke open? In a message dated 12/19/98 11:51:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, ph@XXXXXX writes: << This is almost always true of a stock motorcycle these days. Our beloved EPA forces manufacturers to jet very lean, which sacrifices performance for more complete combustion. There are some other systems that likewise trade performance for air quality. My remarks in my previous emails also still hold, of course. Is your bike new? I'm assuming that you own one, though you've not said as much -- The machine won't be broken until at least 600 to 1000 miles, during which time you want to baby the thing, to allow the moving parts to get to know each other. You will almost certainly notice a large increase in performance after your 600 mile service. >> From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 12:08:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27309 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:07:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19400 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02000 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17880; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:07:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:07:53 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on VZ800 In-Reply-To: <4ca0ada9.367bdb5e@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII STARAI -- On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > It is new....had the 600 mile check....now has 1400 miles. I did baby it and > am now running it out. Still doesn't seem to blow by the cages but could be a > mistaken perception...could be my driving. As I said, the stock Marauder is not a race bike. It could be lots of things. Please remember that going fast is not the most important part of riding! Lately I've been practicing coming to a complete stop before I take my feet off the pegs. I also get out once in a while to practice tight slow turns... > Is changing the jet like running with the choke open? I'm no carb specialist, but I'm sure the answer is no. The choke reduces air flow at all speeds, while raising (no need to change it) the jet increases fuel flow *at higher speeds*. The former will foul your engine, and is not a good thing. The latter allows your engine more fuel when it needs it the most. I suggest the latter... -ph From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 13:24:17 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28434 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29227 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:24:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:24:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: more on VZ800 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, Peter Hartzler wrote: > > Is changing the jet like running with the choke open? > > I'm no carb specialist, but I'm sure the answer is no. The choke reduces > air flow at all speeds, while raising (no need to change it) the jet > increases fuel flow *at higher speeds*. The former will foul your engine, > and is not a good thing. The latter allows your engine more fuel when it > needs it the most. I suggest the latter... Actually, the carbs likely to be on your bike will have 3 basic circuits handled by three changeable components: the pilot jets, the needles, and the main jets. Jet kets will provide options for those components and may include instructions for improving other carb functions (e.g., slide speed). Factory (one jet kit mgfr) has CV carb tuning procedures up on their web site if you'd like more specific info: http://www.factorypro.com/tech/carbtun.html Kirk From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 13:53:22 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28882 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.158]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 354; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:51:39 -0500 Message-ID: <367BF696.AF950563@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:55:18 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Opinions desired References: <19981217.130647.4351.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > U...G...L...Y ! > They ain't got no alibi ! > They're ugly ! > That's right, I said they're ugly ! > > This poem doubles as a good cheer if you find yourself at a sporting > event where beer is sold. Consumption of beer makes it exponentially > funnier... LOL! We used this cheer all the time. But wait, you forgot the second verse! :) M...A...M...A ! We know how you got that way ! Your Mama ! Yeah ! Your Mama ! We were a tough crowd in high school! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 14:09:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29106 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20712 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (smtp3.mindspring.com [207.69.200.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03272 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tom (user-37ka96c.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.36.204]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA09686; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:09:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003a01be2b82$e214a820$cc2445cf@tom> From: "Tom Zell" To: , Subject: Re: HOV Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:07:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hey... didn't the citizens using the tool road get rid of HOV back in '92? Why all this stuff again.. is it separate from the main flow of traffic? -Tom -----Original Message----- From: MJordan666@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 7:36 AM Subject: Re: HOV >In a message dated 12/18/98 11:12:26 Eastern Standard Time, SRUSH@XXXXXX >writes: > ><< As far as I know, all HOV lanes are open to motorcycles. Not sure of the >Dulles Toll Road though. > >> > >As I passed numerous Agents of the Revenue in the Dulles HOV lane last week, I >got nary a glance. > >Solo cagers, however, were another story. > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 15:18:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00300 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21602 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04444 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:14:44 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: more on VZ800 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:19:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001601be2b8c$f26873a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <4ca0ada9.367bdb5e@aol.com> Does the bike have a tach? Might want to look into one to make sure you are using the full range of the engine. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > It is new....had the 600 mile check....now has 1400 miles. I did > baby it and > am now running it out. Still doesn't seem to blow by the cages > but could be a > mistaken perception...could be my driving. > Is changing the jet like running with the choke open? From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 15:58:36 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00921 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-111-32.s32.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.32]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12057; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:59:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367C1290.81B7503A@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:54:40 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ZRX1100 sighting, and other goodies. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's only a scaled down version of the TL in rough appearance and basic motor geometry. The things that were nasty on the TL (radical steering geometry, rotary rear damper, etc.) are not present on the SV. My guess is that it'll be a pretty darn good bike right out of the box.... And since I'll be living right next to Canada for the next two years, I'll definitely be looking into the SV650S models and import laws :) Collin Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > I really like the idea of the SV.I thought the VX's were pretty cool. > But with what the TL owner's have been dealing with,if this is a > scaled-down TL it might be prudent to wait a year for the bugs to be > worked out. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 16:01:12 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01001 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-111-32.s32.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.32]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12570; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:02:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367C133A.2A49F119@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:57:30 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Consumer Reports Moto Recalls References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw this one too and had a good laugh out of it.... And we wnder why people think bikes are deathtraps :) Gil M. Nissley wrote: > Not a very complete listing.Also,some of the discriptions could use > work.Like the TL's,"if the front wheel hits a bump,rider could lose > control". > I hope it's not that bad. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 16:54:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01735 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA22521 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05644 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:54:53 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WPMVa16458 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:53:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1af6abb1.367c2075@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:53:57 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Tires changed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well gang, I used the new tire changer today. First off, I'm not allowed to do "automotive type work" in my apartment complex, so I ahd to get creative in getting my bike and the tires to the tire changer. About 0930 I arrived at Glenn's with my new set of tires strapped to the handlebars/forks of my bike. I must say that tires DO NOT make for a good windshield!! Sheesh. Anyway, I thought changing the tires would be quick and painless, even though the machine is manual. I've used pneumatic operated tire change machines on cage tires, and I won't even talk about how simple aircraft tires are, so I thought this couldn't be too hard. HA!! Getting the old tires off was simple. The new tires are much harder, so we had to fight with them to get them on. Then the tire beads wouldn't seat so they couldn't be inflated!! Todd Peer was called in for assistance. No luck. So, the new plan... go to Merchant's Tire and get them to inflate them. No cigar. They don't have the tools, they say. Huh?!? So we go to Coleman Powersports (?). They inflated them and charged a mere $10 (not bad considering that Dutrow's Honda wanted $48 EACH to mount and balance the tires). Not only that, they told Todd and Glenn the secret to getting the beads to seat. Whew!! What a day. But the new tires feel great!! It felt like I was fighting the bike to lean into turns before. Now it feels effortless. Although it took almost 6 hours total (including changing Jeanette's tires, and a stop for lunch)!! Anyway, I'm gonna go out and break in the new tires! :) Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" with new paws! From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 17:45:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02537 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23162 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:45:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06119 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA19109; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:45:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:45:18 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak cc: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: more on VZ800 In-Reply-To: <001601be2b8c$f26873a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A few folks on the marauder list have tossed around the idea of a tach. I might add one some day, but it's hardly a necessity. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > Does the bike have a tach? Might want to look into one to make sure you are > using the full range of the engine. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 19:30:57 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04080 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:30:56 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3GPZa20621 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:30:20 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <43f825c0.367c451c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:30:20 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 What is the trade-off between the shaft and chain drive? expense, maintenance, performance? From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 19:37:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04167 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:37:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24357 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA07418 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:37:08 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9URJa16460; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:36:03 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <63e36686.367c4673@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:36:03 EST To: ph@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more on VZ800 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/19/98 12:12:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, ph@XXXXXX writes: << As I said, the stock Marauder is not a race bike. It could be lots of things. Please remember that going fast is not the most important part of riding! Lately I've been practicing coming to a complete stop before I take my feet off the pegs. I also get out once in a while to practice tight slow turns... >> Your'e right....I'd just like to be confident that I can get out of the way quickly if I need to. Most of my riding is commuting in highway traffic. Whenever I ride, it is a test, and I try to push the envelope somewhere. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 19:42:05 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04232 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24416 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA07488 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:42:00 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WUNAa06003 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:40:59 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <291bf05a.367c479b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:40:59 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I thought a cruiser was just a body style. Is there more to it? I learned to stand up on the pegs when riding over a bump. It's tough to do on a cruiser with the forward pegs. Any suggestion? From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 19:42:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04254 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24427 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA07505 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:42:24 -0500 (EST) From: LungHD@XXXXXX Received: from LungHD@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WFEWa23946; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:41:37 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <868576fe.367c47c1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:41:37 EST To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more on VZ800 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/19/98 12:04:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, STARAI@XXXXXX writes: > It is new....had the 600 mile check....now has 1400 miles. I did baby it and > am now running it out. Still doesn't seem to blow by the cages but could be > a > mistaken perception...could be my driving. > Is changing the jet like running with the choke open? > Someone is bound to have a K&N filter kit for your bike. That along with a rejet (& aftermarket mufflers) will work wonders. Lung From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 21:10:54 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA05563 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:10:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981220021101.8908.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.213.47] by send205.yahoomail.com; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:11:01 PST Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:11:01 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Consumer Reports Moto Recalls To: "Collin T. Fagan \(cfagan@XXXXXX\)" , "Gil M. Nissley" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about recalling all Volvos: "have tendancy to turn left in front of motorcycles." ---"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: > > I saw this one too and had a good laugh out of it.... And we wnder why > people think bikes are deathtraps :) > > Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > > Not a very complete listing.Also,some of the discriptions could use > > work.Like the TL's,"if the front wheel hits a bump,rider could lose > > control". > > I hope it's not that bad. > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LT, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > (racing page) > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 21:26:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05794 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA25420 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA08384 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:26:42 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WJVSa16461 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:25:53 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <2c9a21ce.367c6031@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:25:53 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Consumer Reports Moto Recalls Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Gotta chime in here...it should say "if you hit a large bump at 100 mph while under WFO hard acceleration you may experience a tankslapper" Jack << I saw this one too and had a good laugh out of it.... And we wnder why people think bikes are deathtraps :) > Not a very complete listing.Also,some of the discriptions could use > work.Like the TL's,"if the front wheel hits a bump,rider could lose > control". > I hope it's not that bad. >> From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 22:07:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06436 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA25770 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:07:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08776 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:07:36 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WLHWa16460; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:06:45 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:06:45 EST To: STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Shaft drive is less efficient (not sure how) and costs a bit more than chain drive. BUT it's practically maintenance free. As long as the final drive gear oil is changed periodically (mine is required every 24,000 miles), it shouldn't require any further maintenance. Shaft drive is also very quiet. I prefer shaft drive, but then again I also prefer a cruiser. Everyone has their preferences (in other words, no flames please!). Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 22:16:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06583 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA25872 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08900 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:16:39 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WPQNa05996; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:15:43 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:15:43 EST To: STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Cruisers are a whole different animal (usually) from sportbikes, etc. Typically design is aimed to be laid back and comfy. Performance is usually sacrificed for looks, feel and simplicity. The best way to tell the difference from a cruiser and other types is simply to ride one. As far as handling bumps, I don't have any problems simply riding over them. Standing up on the pegs is practical on other bikes, but like you pointed out, the "forward controls" make this difficult on a cruiser. The stability of a cruiser should handle the bumps just fine. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 22:22:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06661 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA25955 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08939 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:22:37 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WKPLa21689; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:21:43 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:21:43 EST To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/19/98 10:11:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << Shaft drive is less efficient (not sure how) and costs a bit more than chain drive. >> Shaft-drive is a good solution for touring bikes, at the edge it is a bit unsettling. Rode a friend's endurance racing Moto Guzzi on a track many years ago and found that using the throttle (opening or closing) in a corner was extremely difficult. He told me he was used to it, but I decided that shaft drives were not compatible with my riding style about 25 years ago. I hear that modern shaft drives have eliminated the longitudinal twist, is it true/ Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 22:40:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06877 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA26129 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA09142 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:40:34 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WPDLa29091; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:39:33 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <56ae693a.367c7175@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:39:33 EST To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/19/98 10:20:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << The stability of a cruiser should handle the bumps just fine. >> What stability? LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 23:05:27 1998 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from oak.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07313 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA20290; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:05:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:05:23 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: <43f825c0.367c451c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII STARAI -- On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > What is the trade-off between the shaft and chain drive? expense, > maintenance, performance? Shaft: very low maintenance, most expensive to repair if it does fail, least effecient power transmission (more complicated equals more internal friction I guess.) Some shaft bikes also tend to have some assymetry in their handling because of the way things twist. If anyone tells you that "shafties don't countersteer" don't believe it for a second... Chain: very simple, cheapest. Modern "O" ring chains are better, but still require frequent application of chain lube. Most effecient at power transmission. Belt: very simple, like chains, less maintenance, but slightly more likely to fail suddenly, i.e. from a piece of gravel. BTW, you *might* find some amusing chaos on this and other subjects from searching usenet, check out: http://www.dejanews.com/ ObDCCyles: Is it just me, or has the insanity level gotten higher in the last week or two? There seem to be a lot of people out there with a screw loose. Cheers, Pete. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 23:17:24 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07470 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s38.wizard.net (tc1-s38.wizard.net [206.161.15.68]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA14296 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:17:23 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: question Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:24:53 -0500 Message-ID: <368a7b89.347588107@smtp.wizard.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:05:23 -0500 (EST), Peter Hartzler wrote: >ObDCCyles: Is it just me, or has the insanity level gotten higher in = the >last week or two? There seem to be a lot of people out there with a = screw >loose. Actually, the list has been very quiet lately! :-) Sorry, I just couldn't resist... :-) Anita (a few screws loose) From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 23:21:50 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA07548 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA18299; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:18:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:06:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: more on VZ800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, Peter Hartzler wrote: > On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > Is changing the jet like running with the choke open? > I'm no carb specialist, but I'm sure the answer is no. The choke reduces > air flow at all speeds, while raising (no need to change it) the jet > increases fuel flow *at higher speeds*. The former will foul your engine, > and is not a good thing. The latter allows your engine more fuel when it > needs it the most. I suggest the latter... Actually,modern bikes really don't have a 'choke' they have an 'enricher'. Back in the days,carbs had slides that came down and restricted the airflow. Now,the enricher just adds extra fuel. A proper rejet adds fuel at all speeds.From the factory,modern carbs mix in _just_ enough fuel for the engine to run(especially on air-cooled motors).Jet kits richen things up to where they should be.After a proper rejetting,your bike will start easier,warm up quicker,and you won't get part-throttle spitting. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 23:26:23 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07561 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:26:21 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id AMQWa19667; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:24:56 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <15da1b6c.367c7c18@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:24:56 EST To: 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 What insanity? From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 23:31:16 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA07703 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA18344; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:27:28 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:18:35 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: question To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <43f825c0.367c451c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > What is the trade-off between the shaft and chain drive? expense, > maintenance, performance? Shafts are heavier,more expensive,and cost you about another 5-10% in lost horsepower between the tranny and rear wheel.They also have an effect on handling when you open and close the throttle due to torque reaction.But they only need their lube changed about every 8k miles or so,don't make a mess,and are quiet. Most sportbikes run chains because they're narrow(so fitting wide tires is easier),you can change the bike's overall gearing by just changing sprockets,and they don't have a bad effect on handling. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 23:35:51 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA07784 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA18373; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:32:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:27:43 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: cruisers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <291bf05a.367c479b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > I thought a cruiser was just a body style. Is there more to it? Depends on year/model.Back in the '80's,most cruisers weren't too different from standards.Different bars and pegs,but functionally close.Nowadays,cruisers are very different.They usually have raked-out front ends,less ground clearance,softer suspension settings,and weaker brakes. > I learned to stand up on the pegs when riding over a bump. It's tough to do > on a cruiser with the forward pegs. Any suggestion? Try to avoid large bumps,or maybe relocate your pegs. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 23:38:07 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07808 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-111-32.s32.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17657; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:37:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367C7E28.4BD3729F@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:33:44 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on VZ800 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Contrair, monfrair... I think the only modern bikes that use enricheners are the American made ones :) All 5 of the japanese made bikes I have out in the shed have a traditional choke on them.... Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > Actually,modern bikes really don't have a 'choke' they have an 'enricher'. > Back in the days,carbs had slides that came down and restricted the airflow. > Now,the enricher just adds extra fuel. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 23:42:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07897 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA26785 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA09768 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-111-32.s32.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18670; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:42:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367C7F55.A4F4410F@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:38:45 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: NJitzul@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if you consider an 82 Maxim a modern version or not ;-) but you can still feel the bike yaw to some extent. And as you mentioned on the guzzi, mid corner throttle changes can drastically unsettle things... Then again, we shouldn't be making radical throttle changes mid corner, should we :) Oh yeah, during the ride today (5 of us showed up), the maxim did a fairly decent job of belaying the mith that shafties can't wheelie! Got two good 45 degree horn monos out of it and nearly kept it there through second... :) The more I ride it, the more I think this little confused bike (not sure if it wants to be a cruiser or a standard ) is one heck of a hooligan bike! Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: I hear > that modern shaft drives have eliminated the longitudinal twist, is it true/ > > Ciao, > > Fred -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 23:43:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07908 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA26800 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA09790 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-111-32.s32.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19001; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:43:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367C7FC0.A344660D@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:40:32 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruisers References: <56ae693a.367c7175@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yeah, what Fred said... Cruisers are inherintly unstable....I think what you meant to say was that the softer suspension on a cruiser should soak up the bumps much better than a stiff ole sportbike... Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 12/19/98 10:20:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX > writes: > > << The stability of a > cruiser should handle the bumps just fine. >> > What stability? LOL > From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 23:49:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07987 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA26836 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA09815 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:49:22 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TCMYa23502; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:48:22 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <2d395932.367c8196@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:48:22 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Yes, the softer suspension helps. I've also found that my bike handles very well, though it's very different from the new cruisers. The extra weight of my Shadow has proven to be very stable compared to my old Nighthawk concerning highway speeds and crosswinds/truck blasts. Rob From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 23:53:00 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA08072 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA18526; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:49:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:44:13 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: more on VZ800 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <367C7E28.4BD3729F@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > Contrair, monfrair... I think the only modern bikes that use enricheners > are the American made ones :) Define modern.I'm talking about '80's and newer bikes.And American bikes come stock with Keihin(sp?) carbs. > All 5 of the japanese made bikes I have out in the shed have a > traditional choke on them.... Have you looked in the carbs,or are you just reading the knob?The insides of the carbs on my dad's early '70's CB's are way different than any of my mid-eighties and newer bikes. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 23:57:21 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA08149 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA18547; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:53:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:49:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: question To: NJitzul@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > drive. BUT it's practically maintenance free. As long as the final drive gear > oil is changed periodically (mine is required every 24,000 miles), it Is that what the manual says?My old Nighthawk S and my father's '84 Magna both needed their lube changed at 8k miles.24k sounds like a long time considering how little lube there is. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 19 23:58:53 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08159 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-111-32.s32.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.32]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id XAA07902; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:58:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367C833D.D87290B7@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:55:25 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on VZ800 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > Contrair, monfrair... I think the only modern bikes that use enricheners > > are the American made ones :) > > Define modern.I'm talking about '80's and newer bikes.And American > bikes come stock with Keihin(sp?) carbs. Yeah, I'm talking right in the carbs, had all of em apart at one time or another..... 7? CB550, 82KZ550, 82 Maxim, 89EX500, 94EX500, and 97GSXR750 Every one of them has the same ole flapper style choke system. Not for sure on the euro bikes... I thought Harley was the only ones using enrichers?? > > > All 5 of the japanese made bikes I have out in the shed have a > > traditional choke on them.... > > Have you looked in the carbs,or are you just reading the knob?The > insides of the carbs on my dad's early '70's CB's are way different than > any of my mid-eighties and newer bikes. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 00:03:15 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA08243 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA18583; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:59:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:54:25 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > I hear > that modern shaft drives have eliminated the longitudinal twist, is it true/ BMW developed a system called Parralever(sp?).Basically,instead of just one universal gear where the shaft mates to the tranny,there's a second one where the shaft meets the rear gear housing.This allows the shaft to 'float' and cuts down on the shaft reaction.When I had an R1100RS for a loaner,I noticed it was much easier to ride than my old Nighthawk S,but it still got squirrelly a couple times. I've seen similar systems on racing Guzzis,but I don't think they come stock. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 00:12:52 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA08402 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:12:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA18813; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:09:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:04:51 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: more on VZ800 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <367C833D.D87290B7@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > Yeah, I'm talking right in the carbs, had all of em apart at one time or > another..... 7? CB550, 82KZ550, 82 Maxim, 89EX500, 94EX500, and > 97GSXR750 > Every one of them has the same ole flapper style choke system. Hmmm,maybe difference in carb brands?Don't Kawi and Suzi use Mikuni? Honda and HD use Keihin.Could also be carb model differences. > Not for sure on the euro bikes... I thought Harley was the only ones > using enrichers?? Euro bikes all use Jap except maybe Guzzi(think they still have Weber). We're all one world economy. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 00:26:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08551 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA28270 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA10220 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:26:02 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WVEBa22259 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:24:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <868679be.367c8a23@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:24:51 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Too late for a sunday ride plan? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Im actually off tomorrow for once, and well. Im gonna ride. Anyone trying to hook up w/maybe the same plans as last weekend? We can meet at the 301/50 split, I think it was at the exxon, or some restaraunt.... And hey Jon! How about this weekend? feel upto it? Ok, well, I'll be checking mail periodically... Sean.. 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 01:51:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09842 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA29041 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10847 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:48:04 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: cruisers Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:53:23 -0500 Message-ID: <001901be2be5$6fd52f60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <291bf05a.367c479b@aol.com> Importance: Normal > I thought a cruiser was just a body style. Is there more to it? Depends on who you ask. Ask 98% of the motorcycling market, and it's style, attitude, and a distinct yearning for lack of performance. Then there's the 2% who don't see why you can't have a cruiser look that handles, brakes, and accelerates. > I learned to stand up on the pegs when riding over a bump. It's > tough to do > on a cruiser with the forward pegs. Any suggestion? Pull up evenly on the bars. I prefer highway pegs to forward controls for that reason (and a few others). Another problem with the cruiser style and bumps is the limited suspension travel. Could be worse: somebody could still sell hardtails:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 01:54:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09852 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA29060 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10861 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:50:41 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: question Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:56:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01be2be5$cd7ed8a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > Shaft drive is less efficient (not sure how) and costs a bit more > than chain > drive. More rotating mass. More of the power goes into getting the drivetrain to move rather than getting the bike to move. There's also the change in direction (except on BMW's, MGs, some Hondas...) >Shaft drive is also > very quiet. Not sure, but I imagine belt drives are pretty quiet. Only trick with 'em is that the bikes I know of with belt drive have REALLY loud engines. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 01:57:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09865 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA29079 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10880 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:53:22 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: cruisers Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:58:42 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01be2be6$2dbebd20$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > Cruisers are a whole different animal (usually) from sportbikes, etc. > Typically design is aimed to be laid back and comfy. Performance > is usually > sacrificed for looks, feel and simplicity. The best way to tell > the difference > from a cruiser and other types is simply to ride one. But my argument is that this is a tradeoff that need not be made. If I remember Cycle World's tests, the MG California was a heck of a performer. the new HD FXDX is supposed to be their best performing bike (beating even the XLS1200) > The > stability of a > cruiser should handle the bumps just fine. Maybe it's just tuckus discomfort that makes him want to stand on the pegs? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 01:58:27 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09939 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:44:54 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: question Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:50:13 -0500 Message-ID: <001801be2be4$fe5d0740$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <43f825c0.367c451c@aol.com> Importance: Normal It depends largely on the bike. For example, on a full dress touring bike, the weight and handling effects of a shaft are likely to be almost nil. What's another 30 pounds on top of 750? Smaller bikes are another question. By and large, shaft adds... What, 30-50 lbs. Maintenance on a shaft is much less often, and really consists of two things: check the rear axle lube every couple thousand miles (or more. it's pretty easy to do) and lube the splines. The frequency of this varies by manufacturer, but on both the BMW and GL lists, the only failures of shaft drives I have heard of are when the splines are not lubed. Or lubed with the wrong grease. Chains require constant maintenance (relatively speaking) but a ScottOiler will minimize the cleaning and lubing, and you will only have to check for wear/stretch every so often. A complete failure of shaft drive is VERY expensive. Even just the shaft replacement can be expensive. Replacing sprockets and chain is cheap and easy. As far as handling... It'll vary by bike. I don't know if there's any manufacturer who has put chain and shaft on similar enough chassis to test. But, some shaft driven bikes will 'jack' when powering through turns. Most modern designs have minimized this effect. By chance, the bikes I've had have all had shaft drive. But lack of it would not steer me away from a certain bike. Too many variables in the equation. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > What is the trade-off between the shaft and chain drive? expense, > maintenance, performance? > From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 01:58:39 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09949 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:55:07 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Peter Hartzler" , Cc: Subject: RE: question Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:00:26 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01be2be6$6beb2e80$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > ObDCCyles: Is it just me, or has the insanity level gotten higher in the > last week or two? There seem to be a lot of people out there with a screw > loose. Cabin fever? Too many cagers out to and from the mall to allow a comfy Sat. or Sun. ride? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 01:59:57 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09959 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:56:25 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: more on VZ800 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:01:44 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01be2be6$9a99dd80$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > A proper rejet adds fuel at all speeds. From the factory,modern carbs > mix in _just_ enough fuel for the engine to run(especially on air-cooled > motors).Jet kits richen things up to where they should be.After a proper > rejetting,your bike will start easier,warm up quicker,and you won't get > part-throttle spitting. Will doing this exacerbate overheating? (esp. air cooled bikes?) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 02:03:59 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10242 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:00:25 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: cruisers Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:05:45 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01be2be7$29dc5d60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > Depends on year/model.Back in the '80's,most cruisers weren't too > different from standards.Different bars and pegs,but functionally > close.Nowadays,cruisers are very different.They usually have raked-out > front ends,less ground clearance,softer suspension settings,and weaker > brakes. I think this stems from the fact that the original standards (or UJM's) came out when BSAs, Triumphs, Sportsters, etc. were all the rage. Then the cruiser market became the HD clone market after HD started changing their designs to reflect the customizing trends of the early 70's. This trend has been feeding in on itself for twenty years, culminating in the Heritage Springer Softail. > Try to avoid large bumps,or maybe relocate your pegs. The trick being that it looks like that might be difficult to do on the average cruiser. With those low seats, the controls almost have to be forward to give your legs enough room so that you're not in a catcher's crouch. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 02:05:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10341 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA29239 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA11166 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:01:49 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , Cc: , Subject: RE: cruisers Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:07:08 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01be2be7$5ba91540$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <367C7FC0.A344660D@geocities.com> Importance: Normal > yeah, what Fred said... Cruisers are inherintly unstable....I think what > you meant to say was that the softer suspension on a cruiser should soak > up the bumps much better than a stiff ole sportbike... I thought they were supposed to be more stable in the straights due to the large degree of rake they had? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 02:07:20 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10478 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:03:46 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: Subject: RE: more on VZ800 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:09:05 -0500 Message-ID: <002001be2be7$a1645720$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Moto Guzzis actually use Weber-Marelli fuel injection these days. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 02:09:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10843 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA29270 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA11189 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:09:17 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7PINa16461; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:07:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <71ebafca.367ca225@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:07:17 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 There are lots of cruiser from the 80s that didn't fit the mold of cruisers=low performance. The V65 Magnas come to mind first, and I'n sure there were others. Problem seems to be that everyone thinks that a Harley perform-a-like is what people want, and maybe they're right. I sat on a new Shadow Tourer today and was shocked at how heavy it was. My 83 Shadow is considerably lighter. I think cruisers should be lighter and more agile than the current models. Just my $.02 Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 02:29:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA11200 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA29541 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:29:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA11429 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:29:43 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WKHAa22652 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:29:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <818458b2.367ca745@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:29:09 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sunday riding... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 If its not raining, Im gonna get up and go to that exxon at the 50/301 split. Its on southbound 301 once you get off of 50. I'll be there between 10:30 and 11:00. Im gonna leave my house by 10:00am. Hope to see some of you there... Sean... From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 06:04:17 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA14438 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 06:04:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust043.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.43]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA20362; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 06:04:56 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981220110226.0069dfc8@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 06:02:26 -0500 To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: question At 07:30 PM 12/19/98 EST, STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: >What is the trade-off between the shaft and chain drive? expense, >maintenance, performance? > Expense? With shaft drive you might get a really big expense once in a very great while. In 200,000 miles (two bikes) I had to replace the drive flange on the wheel twice, and one seal. I believe these expenses to be part of a poor design, as they were all on the same bike. With a chain, it's both sprockets and the chain every 30,000 miles or so. Not as much money, but more frequently. Maintenance? Chains have to be lubed frequently, shafts have lube also, but every 10,000 miles is often enough to check it. Performance? I hear chains are better, but I think either of the shaft drive 650s had more acceleration than my chain drive 250s or 400s. You forgot to mention cleanliness. Chains are dirty. With a shaft drive the rear wheel and underside of the bike stay clean. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 07:13:54 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15473 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:13:52 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7PYJa11663; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:12:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <91bd4db.367ce9bb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:12:43 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/20/98 2:02:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Cabin fever? Too many cagers out to and from the mall to allow a comfy Sat. or Sun. ride? >> The weather is still good enough to ride. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 07:17:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15550 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA02406 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA13301 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:17:15 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WNLMa01510 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:16:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:16:28 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/20/98 2:05:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << I thought they were supposed to be more stable in the straights due to the large degree of rake they had? >> What is rake? Are physical dimensions different? The center of gravity is lower and if they are al longer that should help stability. I woder what instability is cited. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 07:20:37 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15631 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:20:36 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3TDKa21689 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:19:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7856c2af.367ceb4b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:19:23 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/20/98 2:08:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << They usually have raked-out > front ends,less ground clearance,softer suspension settings,and weaker > brakes. >> raked out? what weaker breaks? why? From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 08:30:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16607 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02964 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13791 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port33.annex3.radix.net [209.48.226.161]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA07495; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:30:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812201330.IAA07495@mail1.radix.net> X-Sender: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:34:42 -0500 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: cruisers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2d395932.367c8196@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_304616519==_.ALT" --=====================_304616519==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:48 PM 12/19/98 -0500, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >Yes, the softer suspension helps. I've also found that my bike handles very >well, though it's very different from the new cruisers. The extra weight of my >Shadow has proven to be very stable compared to my old Nighthawk concerning >highway speeds and crosswinds/truck blasts. I've been reading this thread on cruisers with interest. When I bought my 1100 Virago in June I drove it around the parking lot and gave it back to the salesman and told him it was broken! That's how different it felt from my previous bikes. However, in the months since then I've really come to appreciate this rumbly dragon of mine and when it comes to stability at high speeds it has every bike I've ever owned beat. The forward pegs and controls are a pain. I too learned long ago to stand up on pegs over bumps and there is no way to relocate them because the shifting stuff and brakes would all have to be re engineered as well. It's just something you get used to. The weight of the bike helps over the bumps. This bike is not nearly as skittish compared to my BMWs and Kaws. The wind affects it not at all. It wouldn't do for the speed demons and wheelie folks but it's perfect for me. Dawn Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad --=====================_304616519==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
At 11:48 PM 12/19/98 -0500, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote:

>Yes, the softer suspension helps. I've also found that my bike handles very
>well, though it's very different from the new cruisers. The extra weight of my
>Shadow has proven to be very stable compared to my old Nighthawk concerning
>highway speeds and crosswinds/truck blasts.

I've been reading this thread on cruisers with interest.  When I bought my 1100 Virago in June I drove it around the parking lot and gave it back to the salesman and told him it was broken!  That's how different it felt from my previous bikes.  However, in the months since then I've really come to appreciate this rumbly dragon of mine and when it comes to stability at high speeds it has every bike I've ever owned beat.   The forward pegs and controls are a pain.  I too learned long ago to stand up on pegs over bumps and there is no way to relocate them because the shifting stuff and brakes would all have to be re engineered as well.  It's just something you get used to.   The weight of the bike helps over the bumps.  This bike is not nearly as skittish compared to my BMWs and Kaws.  The wind affects it not at all.  It wouldn't do for the speed demons and wheelie folks <grin> but it's perfect for me.

Dawn
Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX
'96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad
 --=====================_304616519==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 08:41:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16699 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03039 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13866 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:41:12 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WSILa12847 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:40:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35f5fe10.367cfe4e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:40:30 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: HOV Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 In a message dated 12/19/98 14:14:46 Eastern Standard Time, zellto@XXXXXX writes: << Hey... didn't the citizens using the tool road get rid of HOV back in '92? Why all this stuff again.. is it separate from the main flow of traffic? >> Tom - On the last try, VDOT let the general traffic use the third lane for a few months before they avtivated HOV on that lane. This time when they added a fourth lane, it was never open to general traffic - VDOT learned their lesson - it's a LOT easier to make a new HOV lane than to create a HOV lane out of an existing traffic lane. And yes, I know that the third lane was always intended to be HOV - but VDOT really messed up by letting general traffic use it for a few months. Michael (HOV-1) J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 09:28:01 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17415 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust018.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.18]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA23575; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:28:40 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981220142611.00693964@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:26:11 -0500 To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: cruisers At 07:19 AM 12/20/98 EST, STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 12/20/98 2:08:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX >writes: > ><< They usually have raked-out > > front ends,less ground clearance,softer suspension settings,and weaker > > brakes. >> > >raked out? >what weaker breaks? why? > There are many good articles on motorcycle chassis design in the magazines, on-line and in full-length books. This is also a subject that can be the source of a lucrative career. You will get lots of answers to this question from the people on this list. Most of them will not be completely correct. The answers from the other sources are also not all correct. If four of five sources say the same thing, look at the fifth one carefully and try to determine whether that source has insight to something special or is simply wrong. As to what rake is, let's just say that the TL1000 is less stable than most Harley's because it's suspension geometry (which includes less rake) is at the other extreme of the suspension design spectrum. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 10:00:20 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17903 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03695 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14287 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24666 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust018.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.18]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA24166 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:00:50 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981220145821.006be534@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:58:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: HOV Tom wrote: << Hey... didn't the citizens using the tool road get rid of HOV back in '92? Why all this stuff again.. is it separate from the main flow of traffic? >> Mike replied: Tom - On the last try, VDOT let the general traffic use the third lane for a >few months before they avtivated HOV on that lane. This time when they added a >fourth lane, it was never open to general traffic - VDOT learned their lesson >- it's a LOT easier to make a new HOV lane than to create a HOV lane out of an >existing traffic lane. > >And yes, I know that the third lane was always intended to be HOV - but VDOT >really messed up by letting general traffic use it for a few months. HOV is a strange beast. Although I like being able to take advantage of it and save an hour or more per day in commuting time, someone else is paying for my speedy commute. One of government's obligations is to provide adequate transportation facilities for the public. The problem is that too many people don't feel that those who use the facility should pay for it. HOV lanes are paid for by gasoline taxes. Much more fuel is used per mile on the regular lanes than on the HOV lanes - the regular lane users subsidize the HOV lanes AND ARE NOT PERMITTED TO USE THE FACILITIES THEY PAY FOR. Busses, metro and trains are also subsidized. If the fares had to be high enough to make them self-supporting, riders would pay several times as much as now. VRE is an example of this, it doesn't break even at over $10 per day. And this for a trip where I can drive my car in the regular lanes and make it there in about the same amount of time. Why isn't there a three wheeled vehicle that is gasoline powered and can carry two people in an enclosed heated/air-conditioned cabin? I would think that someone could sell a bunch if they were just like a small car, except designed to take advantage of the HOV lanes. Of course if a bunch of these sold, they would be banned from the HOV lanes as soon as they begin to add to the congestion in those lanes. That's probably why the one's that are available are also ZEV, it's tougher to ban them with that additional advantage. To anyone still reading, ZEV is zero emissions vehicle. They don't have to have zero emissions, just different ones from what is currently measured and the one's they do emit have to be benign or PC enough to be ignored by the bureacrats. Too much politics . . gotta go get my trailer ready to haul my bike to where ever I might want to go in the next few months. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 10:24:20 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18240 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03882 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14498 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-111-32.s32.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.32]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22354; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:24:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367D15DB.BC045144@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:20:59 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STARAI@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruisers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should have clarified... At low/moderate speeds I think cruisers in general are less stable. They have much weaker forks and chasis components and small things upset them easier. (try riding with no hands at slow speed on a cruiser...doesn't happen too well..but it's pretty easy on a sportbike). At higher speeds, I think overall wheelbase and weight are the biggest factor for stability, assuming the bike doesn't have super radical rake and trail (only a couple of sport bikes in that category). A ZX11, GSXR1100, katana750, ZX6, etc. are probably more stable at most speeds than some of the small lightweight cruisers...The marauder however is probably pretty stable.. it's nice and long, heavy, and a mild steering geometry... For info on what rake and trail is (with picturees even) try this article on motorcycle online: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcnuts/chassis.html it's the best explanation I've seen for what the two terms mean and what changing them does to handling. As for brakes, cruisers have much weaker brakes because they don't need the same stopping power as the high power sportbikes... I doubt any cruiser is ever expected to be ridden upwards of 160 mph then required to rapidly slow down to about 50 mph in a very short distance (entering turn 1 at summit point). It's a design trade off to save money in an area where added performance is not necessarily needed. Collin STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 12/20/98 2:05:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX > writes: > > << > I thought they were supposed to be more stable in the straights due to the > large degree of rake they had? > >> > > What is rake? Are physical dimensions different? > The center of gravity is lower and if they are al longer that should help > stability. I woder what instability is cited. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 11:06:59 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18894 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09662 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:06:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:06:52 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: more on VZ800 In-Reply-To: <001d01be2be6$9a99dd80$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > A proper rejet adds fuel at all speeds. From the factory,modern carbs > > mix in _just_ enough fuel for the engine to run(especially on air-cooled > > motors).Jet kits richen things up to where they should be.After a proper > > rejetting,your bike will start easier,warm up quicker,and you won't get > > part-throttle spitting. > > Will doing this exacerbate overheating? (esp. air cooled bikes?) Lean = hot, rich = cool. So, no, this will not exacerbate overheating. Fuel itself acts as a bit of a coolant and the more you put in there the less heat you get. Lean conditions are much more dangerous on the motor than rich conditions (e.g., lean will cause over-detonation/pinging). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 11:24:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19139 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04337 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15022 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:24:47 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WALYa11661 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:24:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:24:09 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >Shaft drive is less efficient (not sure how) and costs a bit more than chain >drive. I hope you mean more expensive to produce and not more expensive to maintain. I've put about 200,000 miles on various BMWs (112K on one bike alone), and the only maintenance expense has been oil. How much do you chain and sprocket folk spend in that many miles? Those parts aren't cheap on new-ish, big-ish bikes. I never had to buy a u-joint for my Guzzi either, but I didn't put very many miles on that one. someone else said: > I don't know if there's any >manufacturer who has put chain and shaft on similar enough chassis to test. Honda Hawk vs Honda Revere. The Revere is the euro market version, and it is a hawk, but with a shaft. I rented one in England a few years ago. I liked it, but I have never ridden the chain drive version. Colleen, who actually has owned some chain drive bikes too, but can barely remember them now. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 11:52:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19577 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:52:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04528 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15248 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:48:30 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , Cc: Subject: RE: cruisers Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:53:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be2c39$543881e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <367D15DB.BC045144@geocities.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > As for brakes, cruisers have much weaker brakes because they don't need > the same stopping power as the high power sportbikes... I doubt any > cruiser is ever expected to be ridden upwards of 160 mph then required > to rapidly slow down to about 50 mph in a very short distance (entering > turn 1 at summit point). It's a design trade off to save money in an > area where added performance is not necessarily needed. True, cruisers generally won't go as fast, but what about the extra weight??? Extra pistons on the calipers and a larger diameter rotor would both be helpful. Are two single piston calipers on a smallish diameter rotor is enough to bring a Harley FL to a stop? Guy I was talking to yesterday didn't seem to think so (he had just bought one, and compared the stopping power to a 20 year old bike that he had) Given that, however, I will grant that some cruisers use their weight to their benefit: witness the excellent stopping distances of the Valkyrie. With that much weight over the rear end, the rear brake begins to be something that can be used to great advantage in hard stopping. But it's also got, IMHO, a better, more powerful setup than the Harleys. (Not picking on Harleys, but I happened to see one yesterday and was talking to a guy about it.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 11:53:00 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19587 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:49:27 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: more on VZ800 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:54:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be2c39$76984040$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Lean = hot, rich = cool. So, no, this will not exacerbate overheating. > Fuel itself acts as a bit of a coolant and the more you put in there the > less heat you get. Lean conditions are much more dangerous on the motor > than rich conditions (e.g., lean will cause over-detonation/pinging). The reason I asked is because it seems that the extra gas being combusted would raise temps. Thanks for the info. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 12:18:29 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19969 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10460; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:18:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:18:20 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: George Howell cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: more on VZ800 In-Reply-To: <000301be2c39$76984040$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 20 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > > Lean = hot, rich = cool. So, no, this will not exacerbate overheating. > > Fuel itself acts as a bit of a coolant and the more you put in there the > > less heat you get. Lean conditions are much more dangerous on the motor > > than rich conditions (e.g., lean will cause over-detonation/pinging). > > The reason I asked is because it seems that the extra gas being combusted > would raise temps. Thanks for the info. All the extra gas doesn't get combusted, except in a perfect world. Some of the extra gas gets dumped out the exhaust ports and that's one of the reasons bike manufacturers can't get away with richer jetting from the factory. Emissions would be excessive. Still, that dumped out gas just goes towards cooling the bike. It's not so much that your gas consumption will go through the roof (unless you did a poor job, something that happens more often than not, I think). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 15:23:10 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22737 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.203]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 346 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:30:36 -0500 Message-ID: <367D2708.7F563F58@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:34:16 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruisers References: <001e01be2be7$29dc5d60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The trick being that it looks like that might be difficult to do on the > average cruiser. With those low seats, the controls almost have to be > forward to give your legs enough room so that you're not in a catcher's > crouch. That's why I have always preferred a big standard with highway pegs over a cruiser with forward controls. Too bad there's such a scarcity of big new standards to choose from nowadays. I long for the big KZ's and GS's and CB's of the 70's and 80's to make a reappearance. Shaft drive only, please. :) Well, hey, if I'm gonna dream, dream big. :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 15:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22740 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.203]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 308 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:46:45 -0500 Message-ID: <367D2AD1.5C606406@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:50:25 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: question References: <001801be2be4$fe5d0740$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > A complete failure of shaft drive is VERY expensive. Even just the > shaft replacement can be expensive. Replacing sprockets and chain is > cheap and easy. Alright, as the resident cheapskate on the list, I beg to differ a bit. I have never been convinced that running a chain and sprockets is any cheaper than a shaft driver over the lifetime of the bike, if you plan on doing any serious riding. A typical chain & sprocket setup on my liter-class bike lasted maybe 24,000 miles, and some will last up to even 50,000 miles with the use of a ScottOiler and a sensible throttle hand (this I'm told by some FJ riders on the LDrider list). You've still gotta dick around with adjusting for chain stretch and cleaning crap off the whole rear end of the bike, and you get this really nice off-center stripe on the back of your jacket from all the crap flung off by the chain. If you fork over the money for decent chains & sprockets, you are looking at $100 to $150 easily, just for parts. I can only imagine how much a stealership wants to replace these for you, I've always done it myself. I just can't see replacing key drivetrain components every year (or more than once per year depending on how much I ride). Chains are ok for racing applications, or maybe on smaller bikes where every HP counts, or for riders who like riding the knife's edge (not me) and are concerned about shaft jacking in corners. But for most moto applications, shaft drive simply rules. Horkster, who will never buy another chain bike again (unless it's a pristine Z1). Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 16:12:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23572 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07170 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA18538 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:12:30 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WZLAa23521 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:11:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <967d9c1e.367d680b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:11:39 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Shafties VS Chaingang Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 A shaft drive, if properly maintained and not pushed to the extremes (like on a sportbike) should last the lifetime of the bike with minimal maintenance. One should never have to replace any of the final drive components. A periodic gear oil change should be all that is required. On the other hand, chain drive requires that the chain and sprockets be changed as they wear. Not only do these components naturally wear, one must also clean and lube the chain regularly. You're looking at a maintenance schedule that involves some costly components (DK components pricing seems to range from $6 for a cheapy sprocket to over $200 for a name brand sprocket and chain set, and the best warranty noted was 20k miles). When it comes to a final drive failure, either shaft or chain drive can be expensive. Shaft drive will be expensive due to the cost of the shaft and gears and whatever else may need to be replaced. Chain can be expensive too. I've heard stories of chains popping at speed and going thru the crankcase of the engine. Sounds expensive to me, as well as dangerous. When it comes down to it, most bikes that come with one aren't going to be offered with the other. Having owned a chain drive bike (and riding numerous dirtbikes that all have chain drive) and currently owning a shaft drive bike, I can say that I will probably never go back to chain drive. My $.02. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 16:22:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23718 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07270 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA18626 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:22:26 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WINEa23502 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:21:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4f0c4320.367d6a5d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:21:33 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I agree with the Horkster about the lack of large Standard bikes. If Honda were to come out with an 1100cc (just use the motor from the XX, but detuned) Nighthawk with shaft drive, it would certainly catch my eye! Imagine a bike that's easy to handle around town and yet can be taken for a spirited ride thru the twisties or loaded up for a cross-country trip. But then again, the market place for standards seems to be dwindling rapidly in favor of cruisers and sportbikes. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 16:59:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24221 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07578 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA19045 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-57-49.s49.tnt2.ann.erols.com (207-172-57-49.s49.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.57.49]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id QAA09683; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:59:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812202159.QAA09683@smtp4.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "Boiade@XXXXXX" , "NJitzul@XXXXXX" , "STARAI@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:10:34 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <56ae693a.367c7175@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: cruisers On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:39:33 EST, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 12/19/98 10:20:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX >writes: > ><< The stability of a > cruiser should handle the bumps just fine. >> >What stability? LOL The cruisers are fine. It is the stability of the riders that is in question.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen Shadow ACE 1100 From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 18:22:54 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25516 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:22:51 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA10691; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:21:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812202321.SAA10691@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: question To: Horkster@XXXXXX (Dale Horstman) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:21:57 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <367D2AD1.5C606406@tidalwave.net> from "Dale Horstman" at Dec 20, 98 11:50:25 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Alright, as the resident cheapskate on the list, I beg to differ > a bit. I have never been convinced that running a chain and sprockets > is any cheaper than a shaft driver over the lifetime of the bike, if > you plan on doing any serious riding. A typical chain & sprocket setup > on my liter-class bike lasted maybe 24,000 miles, and some will last up > to even 50,000 miles with the use of a ScottOiler and a sensible > throttle hand (this I'm told by some FJ riders on the LDrider list). > Have owned an FJ. Took 'er with few thousands miles, put on about 10-12kmiles. Went through 2 sets of chain and one set of sprockets. In order to get 25+ kmiles from this bike you have to have not a sensible, but featherweight hand on throttle, and ride very light. > and are concerned about shaft jacking in corners. But for most > moto applications, shaft drive simply rules. > Have to agree with this one. I just loved shaft on my old Magna (and I am so upset on Honda for using chain in new Magnas... and some other cost-changes as well... ). > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 19:29:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26519 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08928 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21573 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:29:07 -0500 (EST) From: LungHD@XXXXXX Received: from LungHD@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WIMOa22662 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:28:26 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <18f6a3f2.367d962a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:28:26 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Insanity. was: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/19/98 11:10:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, ph@XXXXXX writes: > DCCycles: Is it just me, or has the insanity level gotten higher in the > last week or two? There seem to be a lot of people out there with a screw > loose. > > Cheers, > > Pete. It's not you! It seems that every darn fool that waited til the last minute to shop is in a freakin' hurry to make the local Walmart while we're out enjoyin' this weather. Bad part about that is that they seem to think we're slowin' them down after they had all year to shop! Watch out everyone! Ride safe and remember that YOU do NOT make a good lubricant for some cage's undercarriage! Merry Christmas to all! (It ain't the gift from WalMart, it's the gift from God.) Lung From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 19:35:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26676 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08972 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:35:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21632 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:35:20 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr53-dialup9.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.240.9]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33507) with SMTP id <0F4A00FBQHLWU3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:34:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:35:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Tires changed To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <004701be2c79$dbb9bb80$09f037a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >....they told Todd and Glenn the secret to getting the >beads to seat. >Robert VanSlyke Hey Robert, what was the secret? From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 19:45:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26823 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA09052 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21730 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:45:49 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TEASa21690; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:44:18 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:44:18 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: NJitzul@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/19/98 11:42:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: << Then again, we shouldn't be making radical throttle changes mid corner, should we :) >> Well, on the Guzzi they weren't radical throttle changes, but on high speed sweepers (140-150 kph), come on Collin even you adjust on those types of turns, just little adjustments made me queasy, it was 27 years ago as I recall, so maybe new shaft drives are less finicky or maybe I was a sensitive young fellow. hahahaha Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 19:56:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26935 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:56:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA09128 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21832 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:56:28 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TXXYa29110; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:55:42 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:55:42 EST To: Boiade@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX Cc: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 So, do chain drive bikes need to be ridden gently? Can't you give it a jerk and snap? From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 19:56:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26938 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA09131 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21839 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:56:37 -0500 (EST) From: LungHD@XXXXXX Received: from LungHD@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WVJVa01505 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:53:53 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <41fcc56d.367d9c21@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:53:53 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/20/98 1:55:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: > Could be worse: somebody could still > sell hardtails:) > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell Ummmmm. Like Titan, Ultimate, Biker's Dream, etc... Lottsa HD cloners offer butt pounders. Course, they don't come with Prep H. That costs extra. Lung Still misty eyed over his long gone 650 Norton hardtail chopper. *sigh* And that funny little donut shaped cushion, too. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 20:00:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27090 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA09178 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA21875 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:00:12 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TKBWa16601; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:58:24 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6653653f.367d9d30@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:58:24 EST To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/19/98 11:53:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << The extra weight of my Shadow has proven to be very stable compared to my old Nighthawk concerning highway speeds and crosswinds/truck blasts. >> Rob, Can't help but point out that you are truly counter-current, nothing wrong with that by the way. While the manufacturers try to find ways to lighten bikes using exotic materials you find yourself more comfortable with a heavier bike. One thing you should know though. If you ever decide that you might enjoy riding quickly in twisties, every extra kilogram makes it harder to do so. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 20:03:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27112 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA09211 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA21933 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:03:40 -0500 (EST) From: LungHD@XXXXXX Received: from LungHD@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WYPZa29109 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:02:48 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <75f17c7e.367d9e38@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:02:48 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more on VZ800 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/20/98 2:04:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: > Will doing this exacerbate overheating? (esp. air cooled bikes?) > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell Richer will burn hotter. Quick way to void a chrome exhaust warranty for us 'Behemoth' riders . Lung ("Bohemoth" .... I like that! *lmao*) From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 20:11:27 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27197 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:11:26 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7HDa001494; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:08:50 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:08:50 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/20/98 2:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << As far as handling... It'll vary by bike. I don't know if there's any manufacturer who has put chain and shaft on similar enough chassis to test. >> MV Agusta made a bike called 750 SS America with shaft drive. The first thing people did when they bought them was to convert to chain drive. Shaft drive is fine for bikes that aren't approaching high power to weight ratios, my ZX-9R with 140 HP and 403 lbs. would probably twist 360 degrees while it wheelies when accelerating in first at 7000 rpm. ;-) Interesting thought though. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 20:13:16 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27273 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:13:14 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7KRUa21691; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:10:02 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:10:02 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more on VZ800 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/20/98 2:04:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Will doing this exacerbate overheating? (esp. air cooled bikes?) >> Richer mixture will allow the bike to run cooler. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 20:14:44 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27292 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA09336 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA22058 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:14:38 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7XTAa22259; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:13:52 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:13:52 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/20/98 2:09:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << I thought they were supposed to be more stable in the straights due to the large degree of rake they had? >> They would weave (not wobble) if they could reach high speeds, like an over- tightened steering damper. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 20:20:53 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27437 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:20:52 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QSGBa23501; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:18:26 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <59e227bb.367da1e2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:18:26 EST To: mrider@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/20/98 9:31:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << As to what rake is, let's just say that the TL1000 is less stable than most Harley's because it's suspension geometry (which includes less rake) is at the other extreme of the suspension design spectrum. >> At what speed is the TL less stable than a Harley? I think that in a high speed sweeper say at 100 MPH the TL will be more stable. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 20:36:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27670 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA09526 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA22274 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:36:08 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TWGJa16461; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:34:48 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:34:48 EST To: STARAI@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX Cc: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 We are talking about unwanted longitudinal twist on shaft drives which upsets handling when riding at near the edge, not breaking anything. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 23:02:14 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA29785 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:58:33 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , Subject: RE: cruisers Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:04:05 -0500 Message-ID: <001301be2c96$f374fec0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <367D2708.7F563F58@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal > That's why I have always preferred a big standard with highway > pegs over a cruiser with forward controls. Too bad there's such > a scarcity of big new standards to choose from nowadays. I long > for the big KZ's and GS's and CB's of the 70's and 80's to make a > reappearance. Shaft drive only, please. :) Well, hey, if I'm gonna > dream, dream big. :) If you can do with a chain, it seems as though your wish is the Japanese manufacturer's command. Bandit, that Kawasaki, there's a Yamaha and a Honda in foreign markets also. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 23:03:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA29805 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA11157 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA23900 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:00:07 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Standards Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:05:39 -0500 Message-ID: <001401be2c97$2b57a2c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <4f0c4320.367d6a5d@aol.com> Importance: Normal And don't forget the burgeoning Luxo-Barge market. New HD engine for theirs, new ones from Honda, Yamaha, and BMW, and a revamped Wing due in a year. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > But then > again, the > market place for standards seems to be dwindling rapidly in favor > of cruisers > and sportbikes. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 23:08:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA29884 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:08:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA11200 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA23973 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-147.s147.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.147]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id XAA05081; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:07:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367DC8D2.59B4235B@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:04:34 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Standards References: <4f0c4320.367d6a5d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, it doesn't have a shaft drive, but the CB1000 is a liter class standard by Honda :) They handle great and look nice. NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > I agree with the Horkster about the lack of large Standard bikes. If Honda > were to come out with an 1100cc (just use the motor from the XX, but detuned) > Nighthawk with shaft drive, it would certainly catch my eye! From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 20 23:14:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA29964 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA11258 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA24060 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-147.s147.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.147]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id XAA09854; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:14:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367DCA53.AA657E56@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:10:59 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shafties VS Chaingang References: <967d9c1e.367d680b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's all this talk everyone keeps saying about cleaning and oiling chains???? Modern O and X ring chains have the lube sealed in them from the manufacturer and don't require lubing. In fact, you can add grease all you want, but it'll just make a mess and add no value to the chain since the O or X rings keep the seal.. All these type chains require is that you squirt them occasionally with WD-40 or somehting similar to prevent external rusting. I'd have to agree with the others on expense though...About every 15 thousand miles you're looking at around $150 in parts to replace chain and sprockets. And if you're really heavy on the throttle, you'll be replacing at least the rear sprocket halfway in between as well... NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > On the other hand, chain drive requires that the chain and sprockets be > changed as they wear. Not only do these components naturally wear, one must > also clean and lube the chain regularly. You're looking at a maintenance > schedule that involves some costly components (DK components pricing seems to > range from $6 for a cheapy sprocket to over $200 for a name brand sprocket and > chain set, and the best warranty noted was 20k miles). From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 00:23:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01232 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA12585 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA24980 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:23:43 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WHKVa21691; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:23:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <26c76982.367ddb3d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:23:09 EST To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I may be counter-current with sportbikes, but cruisers are getting larger and heavier all the time. If the twisties were where I rode the most, I'd get a light nimble bike. Instead, I do lots of highway time, so the added weight isn't a big deal in the corners. Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 00:31:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01387 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA12670 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA25054 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:31:40 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QLAUa23945; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:30:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <905a0284.367ddd04@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:30:44 EST To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tires changed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 They put the tires in the Boiler room to heat them up. Apparently the tires loosened and expanded so that the beads could seat. Solution: get a heat gun or something like that. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 00:40:44 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01499 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA12768 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA25195 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:40:35 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TSHZa01498; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:39:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8687b9fd.367ddf23@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:39:47 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shafties VS Chaingang Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Everything I've read says that O-ring chains still need to be lubed, even though they are supposed to hold oil inside of 'em (or something like that). I dunno for sure, just going but what I've heard. And if they don't need to be oiled, then how come Motorcyclist magazine recently had a review of the Scott- oiler mounted on their O-ring chained VFR? Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 05:07:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA06611 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA15538 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA28855 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:07:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-59-16.s270.tnt2.ann.erols.com (207-172-59-16.s270.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.59.16]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA20880 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:07:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812211007.FAA20880@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:18:47 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <6653653f.367d9d30@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: cruisers On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:58:24 EST, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >Can't help but point out that you are truly counter-current, nothing wrong >with that by the way. While the manufacturers try to find ways to lighten >bikes using exotic materials you find yourself more comfortable with a heavier >bike. One thing you should know though. If you ever decide that you might >enjoy riding quickly in twisties, every extra kilogram makes it harder to do >so. I am happy in the twisties. But, I am happier on the freeway when a truck passes me and I don't suddenly change lanes like I do on my older, lighter bike. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 06:49:57 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA08126 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 06:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust022.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.22]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA16301; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 06:50:49 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981221114825.006a8510@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 06:48:25 -0500 To: Boiade@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: cruisers By less stable I mean it takes less countersteering to get it leaned over in a curve. Why would you want to put a Harley in a high speed sweeper at 100? They aren't designed for that. Somebody mentioned though that the problem is likely to be a weave rather than a wobble. Leon. At 08:18 PM 12/20/98 EST, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 12/20/98 9:31:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, >mrider@XXXXXX writes: > ><< As to what rake is, let's just say that the TL1000 is less stable than most > Harley's because it's suspension geometry (which includes less rake) is at > the other extreme of the suspension design spectrum. > >> >At what speed is the TL less stable than a Harley? I think that in a high >speed sweeper say at 100 MPH the TL will be more stable. > > >Ciao, > >Fred > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 07:22:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA08660 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16671 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA00040 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-147.s147.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.147]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21129; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:21:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367E3CAC.CBE437E9@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:18:52 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shafties VS Chaingang References: <8687b9fd.367ddf23@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm just going by what the manufacturers ads say, and the fact that I don't lube them (other than a shot of WD-40 after washing the bike) and all my chains have lasted the normal life of about 15 thousand miles... Couldn't tell ya why Motorcyclist did a test on the scott oiler...maybe their paid to advertise it?? Wouldn't be the first time motorcyclist magazine was product biased based on revenues... I'm not super familiar with the Scott Oiler anyhow. Don't they just do a slow drip of a lightweight oil? That would be about the same as an occasional shot of WD-40....Keeps moisture off the chain. NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > Everything I've read says that O-ring chains still need to be lubed, even > though they are supposed to hold oil inside of 'em (or something like that). I > dunno for sure, just going but what I've heard. And if they don't need to be > oiled, then how come Motorcyclist magazine recently had a review of the Scott- > oiler mounted on their O-ring chained VFR? > > Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 07:24:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA08678 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16698 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA00082 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-147.s147.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.147]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21442; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:24:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367E3D36.7C1F841A@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:21:10 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Standards References: <8faa1304.367dde1c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not a Honda man, so I couldn't tell ya if they still make em here for 99, but there are plennty of low mileage used ones running around...Honda guys help me here... when did they start coming here and when/if did they stop? NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > I've heard of the CB1000, but I understood they weren't sold in the US. If it > comes here, I'll just have to have a looksee. :) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 07:34:54 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA08846 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:34:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812211234.HAA08846@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:34:39 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Standards Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:34:36 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) They were sold here untill 96 I believe.. they are BIG BIKES.. 18" wheels, and a body to match.. I can almost flat-foot those bikes (and I can flat-foot a 650 DP bike!).. Haven't been sold in the US for awhile.. go to Canada.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > > I'm not a Honda man, so I couldn't tell ya if they still make em here > for 99, but there are plennty of low mileage used ones running > around...Honda guys help me here... when did they start > coming here and > when/if did they stop? > > NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I've heard of the CB1000, but I understood they weren't > sold in the US. If it > > comes here, I'll just have to have a looksee. :) > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 07:48:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09068 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16867 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA00422 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A39527A0206; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:48:21 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981221074815.00fdd6e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:49:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Tires changed In-Reply-To: <1af6abb1.367c2075@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:53 PM 12/19/98 , NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >we go to Coleman Powersports (?). They inflated them and charged a mere $10 >(not bad considering that Dutrow's Honda wanted $48 EACH to mount and balance >the tires). Not only that, they told Todd and Glenn the secret to getting the >beads to seat. >Robert VanSlyke Okay ... what's their secret? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 08:13:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09477 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17137 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA00748 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A964520200; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:13:08 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981221075820.02b334f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:02:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Shafties VS Chaingang In-Reply-To: <367E3CAC.CBE437E9@geocities.com> References: <8687b9fd.367ddf23@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:18 AM 12/21/98 , Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >I'm just going by what the manufacturers ads say, and the fact that I >don't lube them (other than a shot of WD-40 after washing the bike) and >all my chains have lasted the normal life of about 15 thousand miles... I get about 25,000 mi. on my CB750F bikes, though that's using a lot less throttle than Collin, I'm sure. I clean them occasionally with WD-40, and oil them with 70W engine oil from a squeeze bottle (engine oil, not gear oil). After the initial re-tightening at about 500 mi., there's virtually no adjusting needed until the end. The last chain I "wore out" never did get enough stretch to reach the "now it's too long" marks on the bike, but there was enough lateral play in the chain to make a funny noise on acceleration (this was at 27,000 mi.). >I'm not super familiar with the Scott Oiler anyhow. Don't they just do >a slow drip of a lightweight oil? That would be about the same as an >occasional shot of WD-40....Keeps moisture off the chain. Yes, that's what the Scott Oiler does. Also, the flow is adjustable and is turned off when the engine stops (vacuum switch). The advantage is that the chain is always lubed, and never needs manual attention. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 08:13:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09474 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17134 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA00744 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A960520200; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:13:04 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981221075605.00fde2a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:57:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Tires changed In-Reply-To: <905a0284.367ddd04@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:30 AM 12/21/98 , NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >They put the tires in the Boiler room to heat them up. Apparently the tires >loosened and expanded so that the beads could seat. Solution: get a heat gun >or something like that. >Robert VanSlyke Sounds good. I put 2x4 blocks between the beads to for about a day before I mount the tire. This forces the beads against the rim. The shipping tape generally pulls the beads together and makes it hard/impossible to get the beads onto the rim to seat. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 08:17:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09563 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17190 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00810 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 339; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:15:54 -0500 Message-ID: <367E4A68.36986239@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:17:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Standards References: <4f0c4320.367d6a5d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > If Honda were to come out with an 1100cc (just use the motor from the > XX, but detuned) Nighthawk with shaft drive, it would certainly catch > my eye! Don't tease me! :) What you described would be the kind of bike I'd fall over myself getting rid of the Concours for. And I *like* the Concours. Sigh. Maybe someday one of these bike manufacturers will get the hint. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 08:19:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09573 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17227 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:19:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00837 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 284; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:17:48 -0500 Message-ID: <367E4AD9.E0E759EA@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:19:21 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Standards References: <4f0c4320.367d6a5d@aol.com> <367DC8D2.59B4235B@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I wasn't that impressed by the looks of the CB1000. Too busy, too complicated. I long for the simplicity and ruggedness of a Nighthawk with a bigger motor (and, of course, shaft drive.) Dale Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > Well, it doesn't have a shaft drive, but the CB1000 is a liter class > standard by Honda :) They handle great and look nice. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 08:23:00 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09658 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22548 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:22:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:22:53 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Shafties VS Chaingang In-Reply-To: <8687b9fd.367ddf23@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > Everything I've read says that O-ring chains still need to be lubed, even > though they are supposed to hold oil inside of 'em (or something like that). > I dunno for sure, just going but what I've heard. If you never rode in the rain you wouldn't have to lube an o-ring chain. This is also the way to make them last longest (never riding in the rain, that is). I think Glenn replaced the rear sprocket on his 500 after 28,000 miles or so and he avoids the rain... The lube is for external contact areas and rust avoidance, not internal contact areas. If the lube could make it to the internal components your chain is already ruined (o-ring seal failure). The Scott oiler is most popular in areas where there's lots of wet weather (e.g., the UK). They'd be a good idea if you lived near the ocean as well. The pros and cons of shaft vs chains have been pretty well worked out here. Bikes that need cheaper components from the factory (standards and bargain bikes) get chains. Bikes that need to put lots of power to the ground in a predictable fashion (sport bikes) get chains. Bikes that need to be low maintenance (tourers) get shafts. Bikes without earth shattering power can also use belts. You'll pretty much end up with a bike with whatever system based on the type of bike you buy. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 08:30:13 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09805 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:30:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812211330.IAA09805@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:30:04 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Chain tech.. Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:29:27 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Just an FYI.. WD-40 (kerosene) is great for cleaning your chain, non-damaging to the O-rings, gets the grime out from between he plates, and removes any water.. but DON'T spray WD-40 directly onto your chain! Whatever they package with the WD-40 to make it aresol can (and does) cause O-rings to deteriorate. Talk about bye-bye chain in a quick fashon should that happen (for the most part, it's difficult to get the propelent onto the O-ring itself, but it's possible.. and you only need 1! O-ring to fail for a chain to fail). Someone on the VFR list about 2 years ago soaked 3 O-rings in solutions.. one was Kerosene from a pump, one was WD-40 pre-sprayed into a dish, the third was an O-ring sprayed directly with WD-40 - within 2 weeks, the one sprayed with WD-40 was swoolen to about 3 times it's normal size, obviously deteriorating. If you want to use WD-40.. spreay it on a rag first, then wipe your chain.. or be anal like me, a jar of kerosene, old toothbrush and about 5 minutes of time.. I clean really well inbetween the plates.. then wipe everything down, then coat with Honda pro-lube.. I haven't had a chain that I took care of like this fail yet (That *I* put on)... Anyway.. my ramblings.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > At 07:18 AM 12/21/98 , Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > >I'm just going by what the manufacturers ads say, and the fact that I > >don't lube them (other than a shot of WD-40 after washing > the bike) and > >all my chains have lasted the normal life of about 15 > thousand miles... > > I get about 25,000 mi. on my CB750F bikes, though that's > using a lot less > throttle than Collin, I'm sure. I clean them occasionally > with WD-40, and > oil them with 70W engine oil from a squeeze bottle (engine > oil, not gear > oil). After the initial re-tightening at about 500 mi., > there's virtually > no adjusting needed until the end. The last chain I "wore > out" never did > get enough stretch to reach the "now it's too long" marks on > the bike, but > there was enough lateral play in the chain to make a funny noise on > acceleration (this was at 27,000 mi.). From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 08:36:32 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09884 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:36:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 297; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:34:54 -0500 Message-ID: <367E4EDC.220DAE5C@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:36:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STARAI@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heck no. If you want to ride hard, go with a chain. Chains are strong, and light, and very suitable for any kind of abuse you can dish out, except for distance riding. ;) Just be prepared to replace chain & sprockets frequently if you ride hard and ride far. YMMV, Dale, the chain-hating Horkster STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > So, do chain drive bikes need to be ridden gently? Can't you give it a jerk > and snap? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 08:56:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10136 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17615 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA01399 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA27832 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:56:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981221085240.008d9380@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:52:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Tires changed In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981221074815.00fdd6e0@mail.toward.com> References: <1af6abb1.367c2075@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:49 AM 12/21/98 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 04:53 PM 12/19/98 , NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >>we go to Coleman Powersports (?). They inflated them and charged a mere $10 >>(not bad considering that Dutrow's Honda wanted $48 EACH to mount and balance >>the tires). Not only that, they told Todd and Glenn the secret to getting the >>beads to seat. >>Robert VanSlyke > > >Okay ... what's their secret? > >Chris Norloff Ah, tire seating madness... There are essentially three "secrets" to getting recalcitrant tires to seat. 1) Use a tire down wrapped around the circumference of the tire to compress it radially forcing the bead into contact with the rim. To do this you hook the tie down around the tread and use a wrench to twist it tight like a tourniquet. Problems with this method is that it is generally a pain in the ass requiring physical labor. 2) Use a rubber donut to bridge the gap between the bead and the rim to start the seating process. Honda in fact has a special tool for atv rims for just this purpose. 3) Use starter fluid to explode the tire onto the rim. This is my personal favorite. It would usually go like this. I be sitting at the service desk and in would walk a sorry faced customer. He was caring a tire on a rim that was woefully flattened from shipping (Dennis Kirk is famous for shipping two dimensional tires) and therefore wouldn't seat. They'd explain that they bought the tire mail order trying to save a few buck but couldn't get it to seat, and have taken to every local garage to no avail. I would admonish them for not buying from us, then take the rim, put on a full face helmet and leather jacket and gloves, and disappear into the shop. About 30 seconds later there would be this loud BOOM and back I would come and had them the tire mount, and hot to the touch. They always wondered how we did it. The secret is spraying starter fluid inside the tire while a remote tire chuck is attached to the valve stem. Using the remote tire chuck start the pressure at the exact moment you take a propane torch to the area of the bean would result in a rapid expansion of the burning ether that would force the tire onto the rim. It is important to get the ether in the area about the valve stem because you need the air from the tire chuck to supply the O2 for burning. The helmet, jacket and gloves were because about 1 in 30 tires would explode in your face. Of course if I blew up a customers tire I replaced it so they never knew about it, and that was why we still charged the full amnt for mounting, but it was always one of my favorite tricks. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 08:59:42 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10210 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:59:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812211359.IAA10210@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:59:36 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: question Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:59:29 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Now don't go misleading him Dale.. your "Just be > prepared to replace chain & sprockets frequently if you ride > hard and ride far." part isn't necessarly true. I think that most people would agree I ride pretty hard, and a fair number of people would say I put on more than an average number of miles. The only chains I've ever replaces were worn-out, (probably) un-cared for things that came on the bike when I bought it. My current chain, with about 12k miles, was adjusted once, after my first longer ride (granted, that was to Albany, NY and back) - and I haven't touched it since.. it's got LOTS of life left (I expect it'll live well through 25K). Granted, I am pretty anal about cleaning it too though (any time it gets wet, and after every week/300+ mile ride). With consideration to bikes and final drive options (chain, belt, shaft, jet propultion) - I don't think I care. I'd look more at the bike, and what I want to do while riding (personally, I think the BMW R1100S comes close, now if only they would adopt some standard configurations like the turn signals, horn, etc..) and they're shafties.. but for the most part, the bikes I like (VFR, ST2/4, RF900) are all chain driven.. so I work on them when they need it.. I LIKE working on my bikes.. :) Brian > -----Original Message----- > Heck no. If you want to ride hard, go with a chain. Chains > are strong, and light, and very suitable for any kind of abuse > you can dish out, except for distance riding. ;) Just be > prepared to replace chain & sprockets frequently if you ride > hard and ride far. > > STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > So, do chain drive bikes need to be ridden gently? Can't > you give it a jerk > > and snap? From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 09:01:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10300 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17682 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01488 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zs5u5-0006TR-00; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:01:45 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:00:09 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DD0016B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'NJitzul@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tires changed Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:57:39 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain So, what's the secret to getting the beads to seat? It seemed so impossible Saturday! LOL I agree on the improvement new tires have made. After getting my new ones on, I could take turns at least 10 mph over what I had normally taken them at, and that was being "cautious." Now I can't wait to get on a real ride again! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 > Not only that, they told Todd and Glenn the secret to getting the > beads to seat. Whew!! What a day. But the new tires feel great!! It > felt like > I was fighting the bike to lean into turns before. Now it feels > effortless. > Although it took almost 6 hours total (including changing Jeanette's > tires, > and a stop for lunch)!! Anyway, I'm gonna go out and break in the new > tires! > :) > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" with new paws! From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 10:05:47 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11362 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:00:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Chain tech.. Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:00:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I have to agree with Brian on the Honda Pro lube stuff (red can). This stuff is the best I have ever seen for not flinging off. Check my rear wheels to see how clean they are (and its not from the daily washings). Glenn > plates.. then wipe everything down, then coat with Honda pro-lube.. I > haven't had a chain that I took care of like this fail yet (That *I* put > on)... > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 10:08:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11372 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18562 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03288 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from tom (user-37ka998.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.37.40]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA30038; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:07:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003301be2cf3$7f7fa760$282545cf@tom> From: "Tom Zell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , , Subject: Re: Tires changed Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:06:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 The real secret is to just have a sport bike that uses radials! ........sorry Robert... just had to... :-) Asides from having to muscle the tires off and back onto the rims the rest was a piece of cake! -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette To: 'NJitzul@XXXXXX' ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 9:01 AM Subject: RE: Tires changed >So, what's the secret to getting the beads to seat? >It seemed so impossible Saturday! LOL >I agree on the improvement new tires have made. After getting my new >ones on, I could take turns at least 10 mph over what I had normally >taken them at, and that was being "cautious." Now I can't wait to get >on a real ride again! > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > >> Not only that, they told Todd and Glenn the secret to getting the >> beads to seat. Whew!! What a day. But the new tires feel great!! It >> felt like >> I was fighting the bike to lean into turns before. Now it feels >> effortless. >> Although it took almost 6 hours total (including changing Jeanette's >> tires, >> and a stop for lunch)!! Anyway, I'm gonna go out and break in the new >> tires! >> :) >> >> Robert VanSlyke >> 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" with new paws! From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 10:21:32 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11633 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:16:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Shafties VS Chaingang Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:16:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Yep its true I didn't replace my rear sprocket or front for that matter until 28000 miles. And the rear was still in good shape. The front was toast though. I did however go through about 3 chains during that period. I think of some of the problem was from me over tightening the chain Glenn > If you never rode in the rain you wouldn't have to lube an o-ring chain. > This is also the way to make them last longest (never riding in the rain, > that is). I think Glenn replaced the rear sprocket on his 500 after 28,000 > miles or so and he avoids the rain... The lube is for external contact > areas and rust avoidance, not internal contact areas. If the lube could > make it to the internal components your chain is already ruined (o-ring > seal failure). > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 10:22:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11669 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:22:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18733 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:22:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03628 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:19:02 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , Cc: Subject: RE: Shafties VS Chaingang Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:24:40 -0500 Message-ID: <001301be2cf6$070e30a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <367E3CAC.CBE437E9@geocities.com> Importance: Normal Actually, MCN also tested the Scottoiler and liked it. Their ads are those little business card sized ones in the back (in mags like Cycle World, Motorcyclist, etc.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 10:25:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11690 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18771 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03735 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from HeilesenM.nmri.nnmc.navy.mil ([131.158.70.177]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA01799 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:24:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812211524.KAA01799@pop02.globecomm.net> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: Subject: Re: Tires changed Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:24:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >They put the tires in the Boiler room to heat them up. Apparently the tires > >loosened and expanded so that the beads could seat. Solution: get a heat > >gun or something like that. > >Robert VanSlyke > > Sounds good. > > I put 2x4 blocks between the beads to for about a day before I mount the > tire. This forces the beads against the rim. The shipping tape generally > pulls the beads together and makes it hard/impossible to get the beads onto > the rim to seat. What I have always done is loop a come-along around the tire and tighten it up. This has worked for my 12 ply tires for my trailer (the hardest I have ever tried to mount and inflate), 10 ply for my truck, and many other tires (ncluding racing tires) for all the cars that I have worked on. Should work on bike tires, too. Snake From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 10:31:06 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11847 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA22260; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981221153028.LKVT19548@toddnt>; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:30:28 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Chain tech.. Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:32:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be2cf7$1402e1b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Glenn Dysart wrote: > > I have to agree with Brian on the Honda Pro lube stuff (red can). This > stuff is the best I have ever seen for not flinging off. Check my rear > wheels to see how clean they are (and its not from the daily washings). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well then, how would we ever know for sure? As much as it would kill you to do it, stop cleaning your wheels everyday and see what happens. I use PJ1 Blue. No fling. What you're seeing on MY wheels is neglect ;) But seriously, if the sealed ring concept is that there is no need to oil (other than a whipe-down of kerosene for rust resistance), I'm going to bag the idea of having to use any other lubricant...on my NEXT chain. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 10:36:36 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11934 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:31:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Chain tech.. Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:31:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) PJ1 blue flinged on me pretty bad. The way I can tell is one of our 500 mile trips. if it ain't on there after one of those it ain't coming off! Oh and soap and water (the way I wash my bike) doesn't removed that chain lube from your wheels either. It takes a good tar and bug remover, wax, or adhesive remover to get that stuff off your wheels, that's how I can tell. Glenn > Well then, how would we ever know for sure? As much as it would kill you > to > do it, stop cleaning your wheels everyday and see what happens. > > I use PJ1 Blue. No fling. What you're seeing on MY wheels is neglect ;) > But seriously, if the sealed ring concept is that there is no need to oil > (other than a whipe-down of kerosene for rust resistance), I'm going to > bag > the idea of having to use any other lubricant...on my NEXT chain. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 10:38:34 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11952 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:40:11 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:40:06 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:27:48 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: question -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I had a 650 Seca with shaft drive and found that whacking the throttle while leaned over to get a good drive out of a corner was an excellent test of sphincter control. One of the few warts on an otherwise excellent bike. Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 10:53:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12234 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:53:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19110 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from E-MAIL.COM (e-mail.com [204.146.168.195]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA04869 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:53:43 -0500 (EST) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 3382 ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:53:20 EST Received: from mail1.dominionsc.com [32.72.67.7] by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:53:02 EST Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566E1.00574B26 ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:53:28 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566E1.0055D867.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:52:05 -0500 Subject: Chains and Rubber Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I have been following the Chain vs. Shaft thread with some interest. I have a Sportster that is chain, and have considered doing the belt conversion that is available from HD. I changed the chain and sprockets at 10K miles. I didn't really need to change the sprockets, but the original chain was stretched. I figured I would start fresh. I installed a very good O-ring chain, changed the ratios and added a chain tensioner. I have made no chain adjustments in 7K miles! Other than the PIA of lubing and the dirt, I am happy. I finally found a good set up for lubing. The chain is a RKO so I bought their lube, put it in an old fashioned pump oil can. I can lube the chain now with a drop per roller interface and not spray my wheel and tire in the process. So for now, I will deal with the chain, as the belt conversion only offers one ratio which is the original, lower, more torque. Since I only have a 4 speed, I want higher end.... still plenty of torque in the HD! On the tire thread.... again, this is a HD Sportster, so consider the performance......I replaced the original Dunlops with threads showing on the rear at 7500 miles. I replaced with Dunlop 401 S/T (Sport/Touring). After 8500 miles now, they still look very good. Now I have not looked, and I probably have "Chicken Stripes", but I have custom ground my pegs, and my saddle bags. I have been very happy with the life and stick of these tires. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 10:55:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12265 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19142 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04935 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:55:24 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WUTCa29092 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:54:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:54:15 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Chain tech.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 In a message dated 12/21/98 10:42:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << It takes a good tar and bug remover, wax, or adhesive remover to get that stuff off your wheels, that's how I can tell. >> Turpentine is the easiest Ive used for wheel gunk. Cuts through the gunk and brake dust. Only drawback is it kinda smells up your hands for a bit. Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 11:16:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12727 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19432 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05637 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DWZNGGMM; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:16:29 EST To: ph@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on VZ800 Message-ID: <19981220.092949.8095.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,8-10 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:16:29 EST On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:33:22 -0500 (EST) Peter Hartzler writes: >The Marauder is not a particularly fast bike. It's not intended to be. It's a cruiser, and >it's meant for people who want to cruise along, well content to let others get "there" >first. On the other hand, a salesman here has seen a modified Marauder lay a good 30ft of rubber and take off like a slingshot. Like the old saying goes, "Speed is just a question of money. How fast do you want to go?" JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 11:34:49 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12976 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:34:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:37:01 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:36:54 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:52:20 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: gixer@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ZRX1100 sighting, and other goodies. -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Collin wrote: And since I'll be living right next to Canada for the next two years, I'll definitely be looking into the SV650S models and import laws :) Collin, The import rules will say "Absolutely not!" So one has to be ingenious in "importing" a Canadian bike. Before you buy, find someone who has successfully gotten one across the border. I had a bud in Minnesota who got his brand-new RZ500 turned back at the border no matter where he tried to ride it or ship it in. And we're talkin some boonieville crossings (International Falls MN) as well as the bigger ones (Windsor-Detroit). I "heard" that he "may" have gotten it in with a Canadian race team who stripped it and stuck number plates on it. Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 11:43:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13163 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19831 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA06740 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:45:51 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:45:46 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:04:54 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tires changed -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Looks like you folks have one more "thing" to buy. It's an inflatable and adjustable rubber/canvas tube that goes around the new tire and inflates to squeeze the beads out towards the edges of the rim. Then you give the tire a shot of air and she seats right up. On some tire/rim combos the "thing" isn't needed. You guys are using tire/rim lube, right? Joe >>> - 12/19/98 4:53 PM >>> Well gang, I used the new tire changer today. First off, I'm not allowed to do "automotive type work" in my apartment complex, so I ahd to get creative in getting my bike and the tires to the tire changer. About 0930 I arrived at Glenn's with my new set of tires strapped to the handlebars/forks of my bike. I must say that tires DO NOT make for a good windshield!! Sheesh. Anyway, I thought changing the tires would be quick and painless, even though the machine is manual. I've used pneumatic operated tire change machines on cage tires, and I won't even talk about how simple aircraft tires are, so I thought this couldn't be too hard. HA!! Getting the old tires off was simple. The new tires are much harder, so we had to fight with them to get them on. Then the tire beads wouldn't seat so they couldn't be inflated!! Todd Peer was called in for assistance. No luck. So, the new plan... go to Merchant's Tire and get them to inflate them. No cigar. They don't have the tools, they say. Huh?!? So we go to Coleman Powersports (?). They inflated them and charged a mere $10 (not bad considering that Dutrow's Honda wanted $48 EACH to mount and balance the tires). Not only that, they told Todd and Glenn the secret to getting the beads to seat. Whew!! What a day. But the new tires feel great!! It felt like I was fighting the bike to lean into turns before. Now it feels effortless. Although it took almost 6 hours total (including changing Jeanette's tires, and a stop for lunch)!! Anyway, I'm gonna go out and break in the new tires! :) Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" with new paws! From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 11:49:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13267 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:49:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19971 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA06980 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA20545; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:43:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:43:07 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires changed In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981221075605.00fde2a0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Afraid I missed previous posts: apology if this repeats. An additional minor trick is to remove the valve core in order to allow maximum air volume. The 25-cent-a-pop air vending machines I've tried do not put out as much air as the station's air supply. Various other desperation moves include inserting plastic bags around the rim (deflate tire and remove plastic before riding--tire will usually reseat ok) or similar temporary use of an inner tube; using a ratcheting tie-down around the circumference of the tire; appeals to your favorite deity (let me know which ones respond). --garcia "All of us are smarter than any of us." Or at least have more experience. On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 12:30 AM 12/21/98 , NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > >They put the tires in the Boiler room to heat them up. Apparently the tires > >loosened and expanded so that the beads could seat. Solution: get a heat gun > >or something like that. > >Robert VanSlyke > > Sounds good. > > I put 2x4 blocks between the beads to for about a day before I mount the > tire. This forces the beads against the rim. The shipping tape generally > pulls the beads together and makes it hard/impossible to get the beads onto > the rim to seat. > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 11:50:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13352 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19988 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA07008 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:53:00 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:52:59 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:15:42 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cruisers -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline There is if "style" compromises function. Examples: feet-forward pegs that put more of your weight on your tailbone. High pullback bars that force you to do a constant "pull-up" into the wind at highway speeds. There are others, but these two are the most offensive to me. Unfortunately, while the bar is sometimes a fairly easy fix, the pegs are not. Joe >>> - 12/19/98 7:40 PM >>> I thought a cruiser was just a body style. Is there more to it? I learned to stand up on the pegs when riding over a bump. It's tough to do on a cruiser with the forward pegs. Any suggestion? From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 11:55:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13379 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20029 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA07131 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:55:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981221165552.7008.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send203.yahoomail.com; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:55:52 PST Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:55:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Chain tech.. To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you can get it for free, jet fuel is the best stuff in the world for removing oil, grime tar, etc from chains (and all metal); cleaning out crankcases; just pour on and wipe off. Most airports have a tank or drum they dump the old fuel in, it can't be reused as fuel once it's taken out of the tank. ---WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 12/21/98 10:42:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Dysart@XXXXXX writes: > > << It takes a good tar and bug remover, wax, or > adhesive remover to get that stuff off your wheels, that's how I can tell. > >> > > Turpentine is the easiest Ive used for wheel gunk. Cuts through the gunk and > brake dust. Only drawback is it kinda smells up your hands for a bit. > > Jack > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 12:01:26 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13523 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:01:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812211701.MAA13523@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:01:18 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: bike importing.. Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:00:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) It's actually not that big of a deal.. esp. since we'll have the SAME bike over here, with just a few differances in asthetics.. You can either import the bike as a 'closed circut only' vehicle, then do some paperwork and have it made street legal (which is how all the Aprilia RS250s, NSR 250s, RGV250s, CBR400's, RVF400's etc get on the streets), or just buy the different parts in Canaa and bring them across.. The only thing you need.. is Americain paperwork declaring the property and it's intended use.. from my limited understanding of how it all works.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > Collin wrote: > > And since I'll be living right next to Canada for the next two years, > I'll definitely be looking into the SV650S models and import laws :) > > Collin, > > The import rules will say "Absolutely not!" So one has to be > ingenious > in "importing" a Canadian bike. Before you buy, find someone who has > successfully gotten one across the border. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 12:09:52 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13740 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:09:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26526; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:09:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:09:37 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: bike importing.. In-Reply-To: <199812211701.MAA13523@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > or just buy the different parts in Canaa and bring them across.. >From my understanding of the particular bike being discussed (SV650 vs SV650S) there's more than just aesthetic differences. The S model has a close ratio gear cluster as well as the fairing, clip-ons, and rearset pegs. If the gear ratios are important to you then bringing an S model in from Canada is probably easier than swapping out the cogs... I'd watch out for other unseen differences as well. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 12:20:38 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13975 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:22:30 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:22:22 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:52:00 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruisers -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline RE: Harley stability. Not a lot of people know this, and H-D can't advertise it because of liablility, but all Harley models have to be self-correcting for front wheel (then of course, handlebar) waggle. Every model has to pass the High-Speed Weave Test at their facility at Talladega. Which is this: they equip a bike with various sensors and telemetry. Data is sent to a moho full of computers at trackside. The rider makes dozens of passes past the equipment at various predetermined speeds. Here's the fun part--once the rider achieves "speed" he sets a throttle lock, folds his arms onto his chest, and gives the bike a "hip-check" to get the bike to wobble. To pass, the bike must self-correct the wobble within a certain distance. I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, since I didn't believe it myself until I saw it. I interviewed the rider afterwards, and he said he'd been doing that test for 5 years and hadn't been spit off, though he had crashed doing various other "road race-type" stunts on the bikes. And yes, he does get paid more than the guys who just ride the bikes over the infield bump strips. Hope you enjoy the story. I wasn't even allowed to write that the lawyers wouldn't allow me to write about that test. Otherwise, it would've been in the 1992 bike brochure. Joe Leon says: As to what rake is, let's just say that the TL1000 is less stable than most Harley's because it's suspension geometry (which includes less rake) is at the other extreme of the suspension design spectrum. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 12:23:20 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13985 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20477 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08154 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA22673; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981221172239.MBUL19548@toddnt>; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:22:39 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "JOE NAGY" , , Subject: RE: Tires changed -Reply Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:24:21 -0500 Message-ID: <001001be2d06$bf6eb5b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Looks like you folks have one more "thing" to buy. It's an inflatable > and adjustable rubber/canvas tube that goes around the new tire and > inflates to squeeze the beads out towards the edges of the rim. Then > you give the tire a shot of air and she seats right up. On some > tire/rim combos the "thing" isn't needed. You guys are using tire/rim > lube, right? > > Joe Can you say, "Rim-Ease"? Glenn says it all the time ;) And yes, we are considering purchasing the inflatable donuts (like innertubes). Thing is, I've had this problem too and finally got the tire to mount with plenty-o-soapy water. I think the fact that the wheel/tire were sitting in my trunk all day in the sun, may have helped too. Oh yeah! Hats off to Coleman Powersports of Falls Church. If you know anything about me, you KNOW I wouldn't kid around when I tip a hat to this otherwise thieving outfit. I believe they only charged Robert $10 to finally seat his two tires. And they did it in the time it took us to walk the showroom and check out the wicked scooter line-up. I think Glenn is in the market for a Honda Helix. Fwiw, Cycle Sport Springfield butt-raped me for $30 for the exact same work done. I realize no man stands alone, but I hate when I NEED assistance and get ripped off at the mercy of an unscrupulous dealer. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 12:37:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14287 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20662 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA08657 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:39:49 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:39:43 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:18:55 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Standards -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Gee, folks--given that big "standards" like the CB-1 and Zephyr have tanked horribly in the US, can ya blame the factories for not humping on this category? BTW, why the cruiser category has thrived instead of standards is beyond me. Cripes, we oughta be seeing painted and chromed CB-1s instead of single-crankpin ACEs. Joe (maybe it's time for a "streetfighter") >>> Dale Horstman - 12/21/98 8:17 AM >>> NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > If Honda were to come out with an 1100cc (just use the motor from the > XX, but detuned) Nighthawk with shaft drive, it would certainly catch > my eye! Don't tease me! :) What you described would be the kind of bike I'd fall over myself getting rid of the Concours for. And I *like* the Concours. Sigh. Maybe someday one of these bike manufacturers will get the hint. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 13:38:27 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15359 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28200 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:38:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:38:19 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Standards -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, JOE NAGY wrote: > BTW, why the cruiser category has thrived instead of > standards is beyond me. Cripes, we oughta be seeing painted and chromed > CB-1s instead of single-crankpin ACEs. I'm also confused as to why cruisers are so popular and new standard bikes are hard to find. For that matter, I'm confused why sportbikes are so much more popular than standards. Well, not so much confused as, well something... Indeed, I'd rather not have a bike with a fairing. I had just about decided that I'd give in to the trend and buy a plastic covered sportbike when a crashed superhawk came across my path (courtesy of Brian and his daily forays into the bowels of the net). While not a "middle of the road" standard the bike is currently set-up sans fairing and that's the way it's going to stay. (As a side note, I almost fear the first full throttle acceleration after I get the bike broken in. I can't imagine I'll have much use for the motor past 6k rpms, but perhaps I'll adjust. First and second gears on the Superhawk seem to be equivalent to first through fourth on the old HawkGT and the Superhawk still has 4 more gears...). Where on the road performance is concerned the smaller standard bikes are good enough to run with 95% or more of the riders on the road (e.g., Todd Peer can easily leave most sportbike riders behind on his Nighthawk 750). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 13:47:20 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15544 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DWZW3P24; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:46:48 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV650S and Canada Message-ID: <19981220.115947.5167.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,10-12 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:46:48 EST On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:54:40 -0500 "Collin T. Fagan writes: >And since I'll be living right next to Canada for the next two years, >I'll definitely be looking into the SV650S models and import laws :) You'll have to stay subscribed and keep us posted on these burning issues. Or at the very least, let ME know, cause the more I look at the brochure, the more I want one. (The first brochure we received on the SV650 was an introductory one from the dealer show, which showed both the SV and the SVS. I thought both were coming here and I was VERY disappointed to hear otherwise...) JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 14:18:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16043 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22462 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11627 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:17:48 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WWZCa11362 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:17:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:17:01 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Standards -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'm not sure why cruisers are outselling standards. Possibly because those that would buy standards are instead buying cruisers because it's more fashionable. I'm not going to start a Harley or RUB thread, but it does seem to be steering the market right now. Go figure. Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 14:19:58 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16062 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:19:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812211919.OAA16062@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:19:53 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Standards -Reply Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:19:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) *rubbing some brown goo off his face* Hrm, my appologies if anyone's interested.. but I just helped yet another friend buy a 92 VFR with 9k miles for $2500.. I might have a line on a nice, low mileage, non-abused Hawk soon.. anyone interested? (I suspect it'll be about $2500) *diving back in through the colon* > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > (courtesy of Brian > and his daily forays into the bowels of the net). From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 14:21:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16149 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22512 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:21:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11750 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:21:34 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WHVFa16589 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:20:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12a2f948.367e9f92@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:20:50 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I've heard talks of the CB1000, but I've never seen one. I've seen pics of a CB1000 (1100?) sold either in Europe or Canada while cruising the web, but didn't think much of it because it wasn't here. If only I could remember where I saw it! AND if only they'd import it!! Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 14:33:38 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16333 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29097 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:33:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:33:29 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Standards -Reply In-Reply-To: <199812211919.OAA16062@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > I might have a line on a nice, low mileage, non-abused Hawk > soon.. anyone interested? (I suspect it'll be about $2500) Hawks suck. Please give me the information so that I may inform the seller. :) Seriously, that sounds like a good deal on a great bike. No one will fear a Hawk in a straight line but as you slowly disappear in front of the more powerful bike on that twisty road the straight line performance won't matter much... Great bikes for beginners to advanced riders. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 14:40:14 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16441 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29241 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:40:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:40:08 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Standards In-Reply-To: <12a2f948.367e9f92@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > I've heard talks of the CB1000, but I've never seen one. I've seen pics of a > CB1000 (1100?) sold either in Europe or Canada while cruising the web, but > didn't think much of it because it wasn't here. If only I could remember > where I saw it! AND if only they'd import it!! The did import it and it was a sales flop. They are stunning bikes though. With their classic and well proportioned looks you wouldn't guess how big one is until you stand next to one. Folks with nicknames like "bear" and "redwood" are probably the best ones to check the CB1000 out. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 14:56:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16720 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22950 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13075 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:55:52 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WDFFa22662 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:54:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:54:56 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SV650S and Canada - SV mail list Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 In a message dated 12/21/98 2:03:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: << You'll have to stay subscribed and keep us posted on these burning issues. Or at the very least, let ME know, cause the more I look at the brochure, the more I want one. (The first brochure we received on the SV650 was an introductory one from the dealer show, which showed both the SV and the SVS. I thought both were coming here and I was VERY disappointed to hear otherwise...) >> John Sweeney (TL list owner) has created an SV email list as well. You can subscribe at sv650-request@XXXXXX with subsingle (or is it subscribe?) in the body of the email. Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 15:26:03 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17267 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:26:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812212026.PAA17267@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:25:57 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: CB1000 review.. Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:25:55 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/muscle_bikes.html read about the bike.. looks like there are a few for sale on the site too.. just do a search on CB1000 Brian (going home for the day.. need to shower this brown goo from the bowls of the net off of myself) From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 16:22:02 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18303 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:22:01 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4KYSa16595; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:13:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:13:45 EST To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/21/98 12:26:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, NAGYJ@XXXXXX writes: << Every model has to pass the High-Speed Weave Test at their facility at Talladega. >> Are we talking about weave or wobble???? They are different animals. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 16:22:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18306 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24267 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16268 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:22:18 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PDCQa11368; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:11:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1defff29.367eb98a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:11:38 EST To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Chain tech.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/21/98 12:02:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, raymondlucas@XXXXXX writes: << If you can get it for free, jet fuel is the best stuff in the world for removing oil, grime tar, etc from chains (and all metal); cleaning out crankcases; just pour on and wipe off. >> Isn't jet fuel basically kerosene with additional carcinogens? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 18:33:33 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20500 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust010.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.10]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA02526; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:33:03 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981221233041.006a27a4@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:30:41 -0500 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Chain tech.. Does this mean you'd recommend Kerosene in my Scott Oiler? If not, what should it put in it? At 05:29 AM 12/21/98 -0800, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >Just an FYI.. WD-40 (kerosene) is great for cleaning your chain, >non-damaging to the O-rings, gets the grime out from between he plates, and >removes any water.. but DON'T spray WD-40 directly onto your chain! >Whatever they package with the WD-40 to make it aresol can (and does) cause >O-rings to deteriorate. Talk about bye-bye chain in a quick fashon should >that happen (for the most part, it's difficult to get the propelent onto the >O-ring itself, but it's possible.. and you only need 1! O-ring to fail for a >chain to fail). Someone on the VFR list about 2 years ago soaked 3 O-rings >in solutions.. one was Kerosene from a pump, one was WD-40 pre-sprayed into >a dish, the third was an O-ring sprayed directly with WD-40 - within 2 >weeks, the one sprayed with WD-40 was swoolen to about 3 times it's normal >size, obviously deteriorating. If you want to use WD-40.. spreay it on a >rag first, then wipe your chain.. or be anal like me, a jar of kerosene, old >toothbrush and about 5 minutes of time.. I clean really well inbetween the >plates.. then wipe everything down, then coat with Honda pro-lube.. I >haven't had a chain that I took care of like this fail yet (That *I* put >on)... > >Anyway.. my ramblings.. > >Brian > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> At 07:18 AM 12/21/98 , Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >> >I'm just going by what the manufacturers ads say, and the fact that I >> >don't lube them (other than a shot of WD-40 after washing >> the bike) and >> >all my chains have lasted the normal life of about 15 >> thousand miles... >> >> I get about 25,000 mi. on my CB750F bikes, though that's >> using a lot less >> throttle than Collin, I'm sure. I clean them occasionally >> with WD-40, and >> oil them with 70W engine oil from a squeeze bottle (engine >> oil, not gear >> oil). After the initial re-tightening at about 500 mi., >> there's virtually >> no adjusting needed until the end. The last chain I "wore >> out" never did >> get enough stretch to reach the "now it's too long" marks on >> the bike, but >> there was enough lateral play in the chain to make a funny noise on >> acceleration (this was at 27,000 mi.). > > Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 19:39:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21616 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:39:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26519 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21190 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:38:52 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WDIVa22263 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:36:03 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:36:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: riding Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I commute with a bike. Dodging traffic is exciting. I read about meeting with a group for a long ride. Can someone explain what this is about? e.g., how long? what goes on? what's the point? ....appreciate the insight. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 20:38:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22756 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA27055 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA22037 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:38:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981222014218.26118.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.213.49] by send204.yahoomail.com; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:42:18 PST Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:42:18 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Chain tech.. To: Boiade@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Isn't jet fuel basically kerosene with additional carcinogens? > > Ciao, > > Fred > There's a couple big differences, the big one being jet fuel does not explode, it's not even easy to get it to light (I tried); the other is it smells a lot nicer (except JP8 which smell terrible on purpose). Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 20:50:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23001 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA27150 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA22199 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:50:45 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PBVIa04603; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:47:27 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <85e1e79a.367efa2f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:47:27 EST To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Chain tech.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/21/98 8:44:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, raymondlucas@XXXXXX writes: << There's a couple big differences, the big one being jet fuel does not explode, >> Kerosene doesn't explode. And jet fuel is essentially kerosene with additives and some additional refinement. I was making a joke, military jet fuel includes a very harmful substance which requires special handling in case of spills. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 21:03:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23169 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA27278 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA22413 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:03:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981222020332.540.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.213.49] by send205.yahoomail.com; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:03:32 PST Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:03:32 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Chain tech.. To: Boiade@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Kerosene doesn't explode. > Fred > I was sitting veerrrrryyyyy close to a kerosene lantern that exploded. It hurt. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 22:31:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24565 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28124 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA23577 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.93]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 341; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:29:50 -0500 Message-ID: <367F1308.5B6AF191@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:33:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Standards References: <12a2f948.367e9f92@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > I've heard talks of the CB1000, but I've never seen one. Somebody rode one down to our Spring Party this year. Can't remember who, though. It was ok, a chain drive, sort of sportbike looking (but without the plastic). Since we've been talking about my favorite bikes, the Standards, lately, let me throw in one more of my requirements for a kick-ass bike - namely, a decently sized fuel tank. I think the Nighthawk 750 has something like a 4.8 gallon tank - that's a good start. :) I'd say 5 gallons minimum. I'm spoiled with the Concours and its 7.6 gallon tank. It's a real pain when Tracy rides with me on her Savage and it's 2.something tank. My bike isn't even warmed up before she's hitting reserve! (Actually, the Savage gets close to 60 mpg, she can actually run two tankfuls to my one, so it's not *THAT* bad.) Yep. Good solid motor. Shaft drive. Decent sized tank. Standard ergonomics. Regular old handlebars. Decent ground clearance. Just enough chrome to look nice. No plastic. I think I just described Michael Jordan's GSX1100G to a 'T'. :) Now *THAT* is what I'm talking about. Too bad they don't make 'em anymore. Sniff! :( Horkster, wishing, wishing, wishing -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 22:44:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24750 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28326 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA23903 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:44:45 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8PYNa11660; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:41:19 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <926d39f2.367f14df@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:41:19 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 The VX800 was nice. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 23:16:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25351 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA28583 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA24374 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA28544; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:13:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:10:54 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: more on VZ800 To: Bikes R Us cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19981220.092949.8095.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Bikes R Us wrote: > goes, "Speed is just a question of money. How fast do you want to go?" Mechanic from "Mad Max". Wot do I win? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 23:19:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25362 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA28606 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA24401 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA28553; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:15:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:13:40 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: more on VZ800 To: LungHD@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <75f17c7e.367d9e38@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 LungHD@XXXXXX wrote: > Richer will burn hotter. Quick way to void a chrome exhaust warranty for us > 'Behemoth' riders . Only if you're using too much choke. My stock Fat Boy had 65 miles on it when I sold it.The pipes had all kinds of rainbows on them.My Dyna was jetted and at 3.8k has only a little. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 23:43:00 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA25743 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA28631; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:39:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:35:16 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: cruisers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <71ebafca.367ca225@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > Problem seems to be that everyone thinks that a Harley > perform-a-like is what people want, and maybe they're right. Funny thing is,the Japanese are weenying out their cruisers(less power, softer suspension,weaker brakes) while Harley is starting to pump theirs' up(Twin Cam/XL-S motors,FXDX/XL-S models). The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 23:48:07 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA25832 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA28652; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:44:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:39:50 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19981220110226.0069dfc8@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 20 Dec 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > Performance? I hear chains are better, but I think either of the shaft > drive 650s had more acceleration than my chain drive 250s or 400s. Depends on the bike/motor,not the drivetrain.My shaftie 700 Nighthawk S would smoke the current chain-driven 750 Nighthwawks.The older shaftie 700/750 Magnas were faster then the current chain Magnas,also. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 21 23:56:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25928 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29014 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA24968 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA28743; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:53:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:44:39 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: cruisers To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > What is rake? Are physical dimensions different? Rake is the angle the forks are held at.You draw a line through the steering neck of the frame at a right angle to the ground.The angle from this line is rake.Trail is the distance from this line to another,parrallel one that goes through the front axel. > The center of gravity is lower and if they are al longer that should help > stability. I woder what instability is cited. Either too much or too little rake can cause probs.See:custom choppers with 10" over forks,early model CBR900RR's. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 00:04:49 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26092 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA28951; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:01:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:53:17 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: cruisers To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <7856c2af.367ceb4b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > raked out? The current 1100 Shadows have more stretched out front ends than the '80's models.This slows the handling and makes them less stable at very high speeds(say,100+). > what weaker breaks? why? $$$$.The 650-and-over sized Magnas,Shadows,and Nighthawks all had dual front disks in the '80's.Now they all wear single disks to save costs. This is also the reason why they lost things like adjustable front _and_ rear suspension,hydraulic clutches,centerstands,etc. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 00:14:38 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26267 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA29024; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:11:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:02:01 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: cruisers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000201be2c39$543881e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 20 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > True, cruisers generally won't go as fast, but what about the extra > weight??? Extra pistons on the calipers and a larger diameter rotor would > both be helpful. Are two single piston calipers on a smallish diameter rotor > is enough to bring a Harley FL to a stop? Guy I was talking to yesterday > didn't seem to think so (he had just bought one, and compared the stopping > power to a 20 year old bike that he had) Dual-disk Harleys have pretty good stopping power,you just have to use more effort.One or two fingers just aren't going to cut it.Was this guy using his front brakes to their full effect?I've read lots of positive things about the brakes on Road Kings/Electraglides because the fat front tire lets you really use them. > With that much weight over the rear end, the rear brake begins to be > something that can be used to great advantage in hard stopping. But it's > also got, IMHO, a better, more powerful setup than the Harleys. (Not picking > on Harleys, but I happened to see one yesterday and was talking to a guy > about it.) Actually,I've found the rear brake on my Dyna is too easy to lock up. The brake pedal gives you alot of leverage for working the rear brake. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 00:17:48 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26345 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA29029; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:14:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:11:16 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Shafties VS Chaingang To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <967d9c1e.367d680b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > I've heard stories of chains popping at speed and going thru the crankcase of > the engine. Sounds expensive to me, as well as dangerous. Dad had a chain snap on one of his old CB750's and trash the motor.Ever hear the phrase,"torpedoed below the waterline"?. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 00:23:01 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA26440 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:22:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:10:15 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: question Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:16:02 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01be2d6a$2b2ff8a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: What did Honda do? Have to knuckle under to emissions laws? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > On Sun, 20 Dec 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > > Performance? I hear chains are better, but I think either of the shaft > > drive 650s had more acceleration than my chain drive 250s or 400s. > > Depends on the bike/motor,not the drivetrain.My shaftie 700 Nighthawk S > would smoke the current chain-driven 750 Nighthwawks.The older shaftie > 700/750 Magnas were faster then the current chain Magnas,also. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 00:23:02 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA26442 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:09:24 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: cruisers Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01be2d6a$0c9c3660$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Which, while I'll not be able to afford one for a loooonnnnggggg time, I'm excited about the new HD engine and the new models. Hopefully they'll sell well enough and perform well enough to send the Japanese a wakeup call. Can't wait to see some numbers on the new Yamaha (?) pushrod twin. Speaking of expensive HDs, saw one the past few weeks for sale on the side of the road that looked promising. Pretty rundown, obviously been sitting outside for a while, a shovelhead. So I stopped to take a better looksee. It's probably a bit worse off than my Wing. Turns out it was a 1980 FLH. Needs... Well, a sandblaster, and at least a pickup truck full of sand (and not a dinky one. I mean 3/4 ton pickup truck:) So, I figure it's about $2k, right? Wrong. The reason this sucker has been sitting there for a month is that the loon who has it has $8k written on it. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Funny thing is,the Japanese are weenying out their cruisers(less power, > softer suspension,weaker brakes) while Harley is starting to pump theirs' > up(Twin Cam/XL-S motors,FXDX/XL-S models). From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 00:26:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA26462 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA00254 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA25448 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA29101; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:23:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:19:46 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: question To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > So, do chain drive bikes need to be ridden gently? Can't you give it a jerk > and snap? Chains just need proper maintenance.I had 9k miles on my CBR900RR when I traded it.I regularly used Maxima Chain Wax on the chain.I think I had to adjust it twice,and it had tons of life left in it.My one friend had an FZR600.He only used WD-40 to keep the rust off,and wound up replacing his chain and sprockets about every 6k miles. One of the mistakes people make with chains nowadays is they think O- ring chains never need to be lubed because they hold lube inside the rings.They don't realise you also need something to lube where the chain and sprockets come in to contact(metal against metal,y'know). The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 00:31:34 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA26629 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:27:58 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: cruisers Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:33:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be2d6c$8b4c3da0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I think his problem with the brakes stemmed mostly from his expectations. He had traded in an XL1200 and also has a /5 at home. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 00:34:45 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26647 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA29159; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:31:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:25:34 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: cruisers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002b01be2d6a$0c9c3660$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > Which, while I'll not be able to afford one for a loooonnnnggggg time, I'm > excited about the new HD engine and the new models. Hopefully they'll sell > well enough and perform well enough to send the Japanese a wakeup call. > Can't wait to see some numbers on the new Yamaha (?) pushrod twin. Considering the emasculating Yam did to the VMax motor when they put it in the Royal Star,I'll bet the Road Star's output will be around the older 80" Evo's.Damn shame. I think an '80's Shadow or Intruder w/a VTR or TL motor would be pretty sweet. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 00:38:16 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26743 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA29181; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:34:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:31:34 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002c01be2d6a$2b2ff8a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > > Depends on the bike/motor,not the drivetrain.My shaftie 700 Nighthawk S > > would smoke the current chain-driven 750 Nighthwawks.The older shaftie > > 700/750 Magnas were faster then the current chain Magnas,also. > What did Honda do? Have to knuckle under to emissions laws? I think they were building for a market.The Nighthawk S was performance- oriented in it's time.The new one is billed as basic transportation.And I think the new Magna is just supposed to be another cruiser. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 01:01:45 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA27143 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA29300; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:58:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:41:33 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Chain tech.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > I have to agree with Brian on the Honda Pro lube stuff (red can). This > stuff is the best I have ever seen for not flinging off. Check my rear > wheels to see how clean they are (and its not from the daily washings). I've used both Honda and PJ1.I prefer Maxima Chain Wax(black/orange can).Goes on real light,then sets up overnight.I started using it on my '86 VFR cause it had white wheels(chain + white wheels = BPITA). My 900RR wound up getting ridden through a monsoon-level rain before being put up for the winter.Next spring there wasn't a spot of rust on the chain. My had my '86 VFR down on the Gulf Coast for crosstraining,and after riding down the beach highway during a windstorm,I had to polish the bike cause blown sand had actually made some hazy spots on the fairing. But the chain didn't hold too much grit.Don't think I'd chance this stuff on an actual dirtbike though. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 01:03:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27146 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00604 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA25932 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:02:54 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WTUMa04605 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:01:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:01:41 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Weeny cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well, the Japs were weenying their cruisers, but they seem to be on top of things. The Valkyrie is a good strong performer, and Yamaha has that new 1600cc Road Star with gobs of torque. I'm still suprised that the Japs decided to go BACK to single crankpins on their V-twins and other such changes. I like the smooth power and high RPM limit of my old Shadow. It also has a high center of gravity and tall(er) seat! I've sat on some of the new cruisers and they don't match what I like in a bike. Thus the thread about standards! Anyway, I've wondered off topic. :) Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 01:13:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27327 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00689 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA26085 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:12:59 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WODJa29107 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:11:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2d3e8e90.367f37fd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:11:09 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Hmmm... VTR1000 engine in my 83 Shadow? Sounds like fun!! =8^O Rob From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 01:16:22 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA27415 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA29577; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:12:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:09:41 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Weeny cruisers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, the Japs were weenying their cruisers, but they seem to be on top of > things. The Valkyrie is a good strong performer, Valkyrie is in it's own class.It doesn't quite fit in with the V-Twins. > and Yamaha has that new > 1600cc Road Star with gobs of torque. I'll wait and see a comparo with a Twin Cam HD. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 01:30:53 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27656 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:27:17 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Weeny cruisers Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:32:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be2d74$d384bae0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > and Yamaha has that new > > 1600cc Road Star with gobs of torque. > > I'll wait and see a comparo with a Twin Cam HD. Ditto. I just hope the mags don't behave like a bunch of weenies themselves by testing it against the Evo powered bikes. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 06:12:01 1998 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA03068 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-59-11.s265.tnt2.ann.erols.com (207-172-59-11.s265.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.59.11]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA13502 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:11:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812221111.GAA13502@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:22:29 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: cruisers On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:35:16 +45722824 (EDT), Gil M. Nissley wrote: >On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >> Problem seems to be that everyone thinks that a Harley >> perform-a-like is what people want, and maybe they're right. > > Funny thing is,the Japanese are weenying out their cruisers(less power, >softer suspension,weaker brakes) while Harley is starting to pump theirs' >up(Twin Cam/XL-S motors,FXDX/XL-S models). I'm waiting to see how the new Drifter does. 1500 fuel injected and beefed up. Also there's that new 1600 out. I think that they are trying to make a bike for everyone.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen Shadow ACE 1100 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 07:58:45 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04648 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:58:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812221258.HAA04648@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:58:39 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Chain tech.. Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:58:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I'm not sure.. I use the Kerosene to clean my chain, and I 'lube' (yea right, it's just a light cover to try to keep stuff from getting to the O-rings) with something else. I think I'd use Scott Oilers recomendations (which is 70 or 80 weight gear oil I believe). If you did use Kerosene, you'd have clean spots where it flung instead of dirty spots though.. :P > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] > > > Does this mean you'd recommend Kerosene in my Scott Oiler? > If not, what > should it put in it? From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 09:00:09 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05615 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5E435F01FE; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:00:04 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981222075935.00fd49b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:00:39 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Chain tech.. In-Reply-To: <199812211330.IAA09805@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:29 AM 12/21/98 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Someone on the VFR list about 2 years ago soaked 3 O-rings >in solutions.. one was Kerosene from a pump, one was WD-40 pre-sprayed into >a dish, the third was an O-ring sprayed directly with WD-40 - within 2 >weeks, the one sprayed with WD-40 was swoolen to about 3 times it's normal >size, obviously deteriorating. This doesn't mesh with my experience. I've been using WD-40 to clean chains for 7 or 8 years and 70 or 80,000 mi. Oh well. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 09:12:58 1998 Return-Path: polmstead@XXXXXX Received: from raptor2.co.prince-william.va.us (host.co.prince-william.va.us [206.239.140.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05779 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange2 by raptor2.co.prince-william.va.us via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 22 Dec 1998 14:23:05 UT Received: by EXCHANGE2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:24:46 -0500 Message-ID: <814CEEDEC715D2118DE100104B8BD8E013415F@RIDGE5> From: "Olmsted, Peter D." To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: covered garage for sale Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:16:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, I have a 12' x 20' covered garage with doors at both ends for sale. It is "A" frame design that anchors into the ground. I have five florescent hanging lights and 3/4" plywood floor. It assembles very easy with minimal tools needed. It is great for housing boats and cars. With doors at both ends it allows you to drive completely through with plenty of space. Asking $700 OBO. (301)-829-3366- Home (703)-792-6886- Work (703)-365-1541- Pager Ask for Pete VFR 800 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 09:43:29 1998 Return-Path: jstpeter@XXXXXX Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06241 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:40:27 -0500 Message-ID: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A84291293@machine01.intelx.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Chain Lube Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:40:26 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hmmm, it has been my understanding that lube on an o-ring chain is not for the chain, but for the sprockets. During my mountain bike racing years, I went through about 10 chains/yr. The best way to destroy a nice new chain is to put it on some worn sprockets. One race I put a new chain on some sprockets I knew were worn. I figured the chain would last the 18 miles of the race. Halfway through the third 6 mi. lap, snap. When I got home, I measured the chain stretch and it was already out. I use WD40 to clean/rust proof my chain, then put some lube along the chain/sprocket interface. My ZX9 has 15K miles or so, and the chain hasn't needed adjustment for a long time. I will try the honda pro-lube though, my back wheel is usually pretty nasty. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 10:12:01 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06686 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 298 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:10:18 -0500 Message-ID: <367FB6B8.12538256@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:11:52 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And don't forget, the mighty VMax, one-time king of the quarter-mile, is a shaftie. I hear it'll get up and go pretty well. (Understatement.) :) Just don't try to corner hard, and you'll be ok. ;) Horkster Gil M. Nissley wrote: > Depends on the bike/motor,not the drivetrain.My shaftie 700 Nighthawk S > would smoke the current chain-driven 750 Nighthwawks.The older shaftie > 700/750 Magnas were faster then the current chain Magnas,also. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 10:25:04 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07059 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06179 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:25:33 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661A8@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: Dishonest merchants Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:25:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just forwarding a warning on a mail order salvage place... > -----Original Message----- > From: Mickyc51@XXXXXX [SMTP:Mickyc51@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 9:33 AM > To: ex500@XXXXXX > Subject: Dishonest merchants > > If any body is in the market for MC parts I strongly suggest you stay > away from Chuck's Sportbike in Philadelphia. I was in the market for a set > of > body work for my 95 F3 after my get off at Loudon this year I tossed the > Sharskinz (they were trashed) and decided to put it on the street, > I went about looking for the body work that I needed I had a > complete > left side including tank that was perfect. I had most of the right side > but > the pieces varied from a few scratches to trashed. After scouring the > classifieds in RRW and making a bunch of calls Chuck got back to me said > he > had the matching right side and would sell it for $650. Terrific! > After chatting for a few minutes I said that I really liked the 97 > red > bodywork but I didn't know if I could switch it over and I already had my > perfect left, He told me it was a bolt on change and he had a perfect > racer's > take off set including tank for a total of $1450. I liked the idea and > asked > if he would take my body work as partial payment, he said OK. I sent my > body > work to him for a pre approval, he called back, he loved it, deals on. > I await UPS the package comes I give them $1000 cash I open the box > "shit" > half the parts are missing I get two left uppers, one trashed, no right > upper, > no inserts for the side panels, no tail section, no fender, the side > panels > are scratched, I call him back he apologizes said one of his workers sent > it > out and he didn't check it. I agree to accept one side panel with > scratches > he'll send the other and I can return at my convienence the damaged one > fair > enough. I wait... another phone call I wait.... finally I get another box > (of > course each time I pay shipping and COD charges) I get the inserts mildly > scratched (damn but I keep em) more phone calls wait..... more apologies > wait..... I get the right upper, badly damaged, scratched cracked and > repaired. More phone calls more apologies apparently the guy he bought it > from > lied to him so he just sent the crap to me. After more calls and him > putting > me off about making good, (I still never got the tail section or fender) > he > stops answering my calls. > I call RRW to let them know the deal about Chuck, they call Chuck, > Chuck > calls me, we agree that he'll take the damaged stuff and refund $500 (he > did > agree) I call RRW say Chuck is doing the right thing, and thank them for > their > help. I send the stuff back COD he never accepts delivery. > Now I'm really pissed up until now I did not have a harsh word with > Chuck. I get him on the phone I relent and say I'll take $400. After > talking > to my wife we decided that since UPS no longer takes cash the smart thing > to > do is send half the parts and the other half after we get the check (big > mistake) I send the package he doesn't pick it up after three attempts (I > knew > it) and UPS is sending it back again. I call RRW again to let them know > they > tell Chuck they are pulling Chuck's add. Now Chuck is mad (good) He gets > to > UPS and manages to get the package off the truck before it is shipped out > opens it there and sees it's only half the parts of course refuses it (I > out > smarted myself at this point) At this point RRW steps out of the picture. > Keep in mind the time frame from when I made the original payment of > $1000 till now is 31/2 months and sent my body work 4 months. > Moral of the story > #1 don't buy from Chuck's Sportbike of Philadelphia and If you have had a > similar experience let RRW know. > #2 Don't try to out slick a thief unless your smarter than I am. > > BTW in my own defense because I might look like a schmuck here, my > reputation > as far as doing business with any body I think is above reproach. > > Micky > > To unsubscribe: EX500-request@XXXXXX > with: unsubscribe - in message body From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 10:29:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07144 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06256 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03894 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 160; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:27:26 -0500 Message-ID: <367FBABD.B9593D6F@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:29:01 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weeny cruisers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > Well, the Japs were weenying their cruisers, I am wondering if the surprising surge in popularity of cruisers is because they make decent beginner bikes for newbies, thus folks new to motorcycling gravitate toward them. Hear me out. A wimped out motor is less scary and intimidating for a newbie rider. Can't get into as much trouble, see. A newbie also isn't generally concerned about riding long distances, so a smallish gas tank and upright seating position is probably still ok. Newbies don't necessarily need world class brakes, hence manufacturers are wimping down the bikes by regressing to single front discs. The low seat heights on cruisers are not intimidating to a new rider, and aid in low speed/parking lot maneuvering (where newbies frankly suck at first). A serious lack of cornering clearance is also not a problem, as newbies tend to not hang off in corners. :) Now I'm not trying to diss any of you more experienced riders on newer cruisers. I'm just worried that we're gonna get saturated with new models and designs that cater to newbies. There will always be the racer-replica/sportbike segment, and the Goldwing/big tourer crowd, but the wonderful middleground of big standard/ sport-tourers is sort of drying up. =:-o Then there's Tracy, who is in the market for a "short"-tourer, our phrase for a smaller sport-touring bike. Alas, no more Pacific Coast, no more BMW K75. She has sort of outgrown her Savage. Choices for a new bike that fit her frankly suck right now. Sigh. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 10:31:29 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07221 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06663 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:32:49 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661A9@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: NYC bus trip Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:32:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hey all, in talking with Anita during the ride last Sunday, she mentioned that there's still a few slots left on the bus trip up to NYC and the International Motorcycle Show. An all day road trip to see every sort of imaginable motorcycle for $39 is a pretty good deal. Especially considering someone else will be doing the driving, AND we get to watch m/c videos all the way up and back. So if you're interested, get off your butt and contact Anita (2xracers@XXXXXX). Also, tell everyone you know ;-) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 10:32:42 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07224 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15001 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:32:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:32:36 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: <367FB6B8.12538256@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > And don't forget, the mighty VMax, one-time king of the > quarter-mile, is a shaftie. I hear it'll get up and go > pretty well. (Understatement.) :) Just don't try to > corner hard, and you'll be ok. ;) The whole VMax won't corner argument is made moot by our own Steve Beck. I don't think anyone's told him that he can't go around corners on it... I've seen several VMax specials in magazines with chain drive conversions... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 10:33:20 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07227 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:28:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: question Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:27:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Don't tell that to Steve beck! He hangs very well in the corners with his. Glenn > And don't forget, the mighty VMax, one-time king of the > quarter-mile, is a shaftie. I hear it'll get up and go > pretty well. (Understatement.) :) Just don't try to > corner hard, and you'll be ok. ;) > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 13:24:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10082 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08585 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09472 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:24:51 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WSEIa16460 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:22:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <89e889ef.367fe381@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:22:57 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Cruisers,Standards, Sport Bikes, Shafts, Chains, Rake, Trail Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 While riding my Night Hawk last night and today in the very gusty winds we have had I was mulling over the recent threads on the above subjects. It made me recall driving an early VW Beetle across the Arizona desert some years ago. If want lesson in crosswind spookyness, give that try! I suspect that the most unstable current MC (whatever that may be) could not even begin to approach the pucker factor of that experience. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 14:11:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10870 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09144 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10941 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:11:44 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WHXGa29107 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:09:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:09:42 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Weeny cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 According to my '98 Honda Catalog the PC800 is still being made. I haven't seen any in showrooms, but they must be out there somewhere. I do agree about the catering to newbies, though my old Nighthawk 450 was the perfect newbie bike for me! I don't know about the other companies, but Honda has once again brought back the Rebel 250. A beginner's cruiser if ever there was one!! Moe than likely, if a person starts out on a small cruiser, they're gonna graduate to a larger cruiser, etc. Rob From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 15:21:27 1998 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@[207.124.52.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12151 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA18682 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:23:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199812222123.QAA18682@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:21:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Shaft drive question Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) I just got to reading my mail and noticed this thread about shaft driven bikes... Could someone explain why shafties are hard to corner....? I haven't had any experience with them... -John Newman 88 FZR 400 > And don't forget, the mighty VMax, one-time king of the > quarter-mile, is a shaftie. I hear it'll get up and go > pretty well. (Understatement.) :) Just don't try to > corner hard, and you'll be ok. ;) > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 15:23:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12165 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10556 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13529 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA25185; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:22:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981222202259.CUTL656@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:22:59 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Cruisers,Standards, Sport Bikes, Shafts, Chains, Rake, Trail Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:24:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be2de9$1b636040$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <89e889ef.367fe381@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Though I couldn't imagine what your experience must have been like, while travelling cross country this last summer My riding partner and I were in a nearly constant right lean as the winds came off the northern plains (I40). Three weeks later travelling east on I70, I was in another near constant lean to the left. Seems like the northern winds never died down. Well, at least my tires wore evenly :) Todd > > While riding my Night Hawk last night and today in the very gusty winds we > have had I was mulling over the recent threads on the above > subjects. It made > me recall driving an early VW Beetle across the Arizona desert > some years ago. > If want lesson in crosswind spookyness, give that try! I suspect > that the most > unstable current MC (whatever that may be) could not even begin > to approach > the pucker factor of that experience. > > Bob McKeithen > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 15:34:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12349 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10687 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13864 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA23120; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:33:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981222203334.DAKH656@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:33:34 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Standards Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be2dea$95e8c610$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <367F1308.5B6AF191@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 21, 1998 10:33 PM > To: NJitzul@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Standards > > > NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I've heard talks of the CB1000, but I've never seen one. > > Somebody rode one down to our Spring Party this year. Can't > remember who, though. It was ok, a chain drive, sort of > sportbike looking (but without the plastic). I believe that was Fritz Ames of the CAMS persuasion. Don't know if he is still subscribed here or not. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 15:59:30 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12757 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA19681; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:49:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981222204904.DJHW656@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:49:04 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "John Newman" , Subject: RE: Shaft drive question Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:50:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be2dec$c0305f80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199812222123.QAA18682@bmdo.mcri.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Shafties are not any harder to corner than the chain/belt driven models. The VMax has a reputation as being merely a muscle bike; great for the straight, not so in the corners. But as others have already pointed out, our very own Steve Beck has proved over and over again it just ain't so. BTW, I ride a 670lb beast, shaft driven with hard luggage. With me on it, I'm fairly close to 1,000lb of rolling death. I haven't had any trouble cornering the piss out of the ST1100 though. Dale rides a Concourse. Shafty! No problemo. Many others on this list ride shaft driven bikes. No problemo in the corners. Todd > > I just got to reading my mail and noticed this thread about shaft > driven bikes... Could someone explain why shafties are hard to > corner....? > > I haven't had any experience with them... > > -John Newman > 88 FZR 400 > > > And don't forget, the mighty VMax, one-time king of the > > quarter-mile, is a shaftie. I hear it'll get up and go > > pretty well. (Understatement.) :) Just don't try to > > corner hard, and you'll be ok. ;) > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 16:05:07 1998 Return-Path: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12936 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:05:05 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3OEMa29092 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:04:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6021a5ad.36800955@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:04:21 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 In a message dated 12/22/98 15:28:52 Eastern Standard Time, jnewman@XXXXXX writes: << I just got to reading my mail and noticed this thread about shaft driven bikes... Could someone explain why shafties are hard to corner....? >> I'd be interested too - my GSX 1100 shaftie seems to corner fairly well - at least until the hard bits start to make noise - I haven't pushed it past that point yet. Michael (puzzled too) J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 16:12:43 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13066 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 53; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:11:05 -0500 Message-ID: <36800B47.26147E9E@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:12:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Newman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Shaft drive question References: <199812222123.QAA18682@bmdo.mcri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Newman wrote: > > I just got to reading my mail and noticed this thread about shaft > driven bikes... Could someone explain why shafties are hard to > corner....? Not all shafties. Re-read what I said, I implied that the VMAX was hard to corner. That's what I've read, I've never actually ridden one (but I'd like to, whoowhee!). That bike in particular is said to be underdamped and undersprung at both ends, making agressive cornering a religious experience. ;) We should ask Collin how he feels about shafties and corners. He's a racer, and he rides an older shaftie on the street. How bad is it, Collin? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 16:59:01 1998 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13903 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA19062 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:02:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199812222302.SAA19062@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:59:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Perplexing problem Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Greetings All- I guess now that I am in question asking mode I thought i'd see what input you guys ( and gals ) might have regarding a recent problem i've been having with my 88 FZR 400... Quite simply, the bike is overheating. But only when I am stopped at a light or am riding slowly in heavy traffic. I know, I know, have you checked the coolant?... yes. However when I start moving again the temperature drops back down to normal operating temperatures. But this is where it really gets strange... When I am at a stop, and the bike is running a little on the hot side, coolant squrits out of the overflow tube from the coolant reserve tank at the back of the bike. So if I leave in the morning and the radiator is full ( I have to fill it almost every other time I ride ) by the end of the day I find it to be low again. I am also sure that the radiator, and the hoses which are part of the cooling system are all clear of gunk. I have been told that it is a problem with the waterpump. Does this sound about right? Any and all input is greatly appreciated. -John Newman 88 FZR 400 One hot machine! From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 17:16:51 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14290 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA22003 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:16:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:16:43 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Perplexing problem In-Reply-To: <199812222302.SAA19062@bmdo.mcri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Quite simply, the bike is overheating. But only when I am stopped > at a light or am riding slowly in heavy traffic. I know, I know, > have you checked the coolant?... yes. However when I start > moving again the temperature drops back down to normal operating > temperatures. Have you checked the thermostat? the fan? Who said it was likely the water pump? Have you checked that? I think the most likely situation is that your bike is now junk. FZR400s are notoriously crappy bikes. If you give me your address I'll come by and take it off your hands, no charge. :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 17:27:30 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14511 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA32675; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:26:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981222222646.FKYI656@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:26:46 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "John Newman" , Subject: RE: Perplexing problem Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:28:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001501be2dfa$65eeb810$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199812222302.SAA19062@bmdo.mcri.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Check the thermostat first. Pull it out and hang it in water with a cooking thermometer in the water. Apply heat and see if the thermostat opens at (shit, what is it guys) what your manual says it should open at. If it does, you buy a new gasket and re-install. If not, you've found your problem. Not sure what the diagnostic is for a water pump. Curious though, what sort of coolant are you running? Silcate free we all hope. At least for Honda, coolants with silicates eat water pump seals. Todd > > Greetings All- > > I guess now that I am in question asking mode I thought i'd see what > input you guys ( and gals ) might have regarding a recent problem > i've been having with my 88 FZR 400... > > Quite simply, the bike is overheating. But only when I am stopped > at a light or am riding slowly in heavy traffic. I know, I know, > have you checked the coolant?... yes. However when I start > moving again the temperature drops back down to normal operating > temperatures. > > But this is where it really gets strange... When I > am at a stop, and the bike is running a little on the hot side, > coolant squrits out of the overflow tube from the coolant reserve tank at > the back of the bike. So if I leave in the morning and the radiator > is full ( I have to fill it almost every other time I ride ) by the > end of the day I find it to be low again. > > I am also sure that the radiator, and the hoses which are part of the > cooling system are all clear of gunk. > > I have been told that it is a problem with the waterpump. > > Does this sound about right? > > Any and all input is greatly appreciated. > > -John Newman > 88 FZR 400 > One hot machine! > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 17:30:15 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14591 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:30:13 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr50-dialup3.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.67]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33510) with SMTP id <0F4E00HDQ145J3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:28:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:29:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Perplexing problem To: John Newman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <007e01be2dfa$9a339be0$434f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal John, Is the radiator fan coming on? Usually, the fan will kick on when the temp. gauge reaches about 3/4 the way up or so. It's normal for the bike to get hot in traffic or at a stop. Before you start taking the water pump off, try this. It sounds like you have some air bubbles in the system. Fill up the radiator and let the bike idle. Once the bike warms up, the thermostat will open and you should see the coolant start to move, or disappear. Add coolant and/or water until it stays full or starts to overflow. Put the cap on, fill the reservoir, and go for a 10 min. ride. Shut the bike off and slowly take the cap back off. The system is full, without air, if the coolant squirts out from under the cap without a hissing sound. If you hear that hissing sound when you take off the cap, add more coolant. Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Newman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 5:11 PM Subject: Perplexing problem Greetings All- I guess now that I am in question asking mode I thought i'd see what input you guys ( and gals ) might have regarding a recent problem i've been having with my 88 FZR 400... Quite simply, the bike is overheating. But only when I am stopped at a light or am riding slowly in heavy traffic. I know, I know, have you checked the coolant?... yes. However when I start moving again the temperature drops back down to normal operating temperatures. But this is where it really gets strange... When I am at a stop, and the bike is running a little on the hot side, coolant squrits out of the overflow tube from the coolant reserve tank at the back of the bike. So if I leave in the morning and the radiator is full ( I have to fill it almost every other time I ride ) by the end of the day I find it to be low again. I am also sure that the radiator, and the hoses which are part of the cooling system are all clear of gunk. I have been told that it is a problem with the waterpump. Does this sound about right? Any and all input is greatly appreciated. -John Newman 88 FZR 400 One hot machine! From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 17:32:28 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14601 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:32:27 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr50-dialup3.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.67]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33510) with SMTP id <0F4E003L318O7L@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:31:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:32:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Perplexing problem To: dc-cycles Message-id: <008501be2dfa$fa9698c0$434f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >I think the most likely situation is that your bike is now junk. FZR400s >are notoriously crappy bikes. If you give me your address I'll come by and >take it off your hands, no charge. :) > >Kirk Yeah, they suck. You don't want it. You should just let me have it so I can drop my 600 engine in that piece of crap. 8^O Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 19:43:26 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA16851 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:43:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981223004804.20257.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.197.182] by send202.yahoomail.com; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:48:04 PST Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:48:04 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Perplexing problem To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii - > Yeah, they suck. You don't want it. You should just let me have it so I > can drop my 600 engine in that piece of crap. 8^O > > Jon > - and when you do, I'd be willing to take that 400 engine off your hands and only charge you a bottle or two of beer for my trouble. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 19:51:14 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17008 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:51:13 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr52-dialup27.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.219]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33506) with SMTP id <0F4E003337OC77@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:50:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:51:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Perplexing problem To: Ray , dc-cycles Message-id: <000801be2e0e$6600c960$db4f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >- and when you do, I'd be willing to take that 400 engine off your >hands and only charge you a bottle or two of beer for my trouble. >Ray Sounds like a plan......... Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 20:20:18 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17505 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:20:16 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SKJGa22253; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:14:35 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:14:35 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/22/98 10:40:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << The whole VMax won't corner argument is made moot by our own Steve Beck. I don't think anyone's told him that he can't go around corners on it... >> The question is how much better could he go around corners on a bike specifically designed to do so. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 20:25:07 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17528 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:25:05 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WANHa22253; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:21:51 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:21:51 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, jnewman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/22/98 4:11:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << BTW, I ride a 670lb beast, shaft driven with hard luggage. With me on it, I'm fairly close to 1,000lb of rolling death. I haven't had any trouble cornering the piss out of the ST1100 though. Dale rides a Concourse. Shafty! No problemo. Many others on this list ride shaft driven bikes. No problemo in the corners. >> I don't want to start a flame war but I think that it's a question of degree. Sure a very good rider acustomed to a 1000 lb. shaft drive bike can corner adequately even well, but to say that this rider can keep up with a rider with exactly the same skills on a 400 lb. sport-bike is just not rational. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 20:25:44 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17531 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:25:43 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WDNEa23517; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:23:54 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6782052.3680462a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:23:54 EST To: jnewman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Perplexing problem Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/22/98 5:08:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, jnewman@XXXXXX writes: << I have been told that it is a problem with the waterpump. >> Probably, but run it with the thermostat removed first to see if it stays cool. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 21:17:11 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18378 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA25318; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:17:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:17:02 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Boiade@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > << The whole VMax won't corner argument is made moot by our own Steve Beck. I > don't think anyone's told him that he can't go around corners on it... > > The question is how much better could he go around corners on a bike > specifically designed to do so. That's not the question since we're not talking about absolutes here. The place for that is on the track. The question really is, is Steve enjoying his bike and does it meet his needs/desires. Judging by the huge grin Steve generally wears while out on rides I'd say the answer is yes. A bike specifically designed to go around corners (assuming a sportbike) isn't necessary for enjoying corners on the street. I had a blast at Leon's circles before the dc-cycles party on Ursulina's LTD, a cruiser with limited cornering clearance and "poor" steering geometry (er, I think it's an LTD). Enjoyment is the key issue, not performance. If absolute cornering performance was the key issue we'd all be riding around on FZR400s and not big bikes such as ZX9s. :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 22:04:36 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19035 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:04:35 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SWGa019654; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:58:45 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <2e225c8f.36805c65@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:58:45 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/22/98 9:17:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << If absolute cornering performance was the key issue we'd all be riding around on FZR400s and not big bikes such as ZX9s. :) >> Well, a big bike like a ZX-9R provides a level of absolute performance and cornering ability that for some might be enjoyable. Your position is, as an analogy, that a person on a quarterhorse on a show-jumping course is having as much fun as person that rides a a warm-blood bred specifically for show- jumping. I used to show-jump competitively and I can tell you that a warm- blood bred for show-jumping is much more exciting than doing the event with a quarter-horse. A quarterhorse is more exciting in events it is bred for, i.e. barrel racing, cutting cattle etc. It is the same with motorcycles. A quarterhorse struggles on a 4 foot fence while a warmblood does 4 feet for exercise and competes at 5 plus feet. Just my opinion but I don't think it is unreasonable. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 22:26:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19340 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA15174 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA23092 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:26:39 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WNDUa12839; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:25:49 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <8300503e.368062bd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:25:49 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Here's an event for ya... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Can we nominate people for this event...? I have a few in mind... http://www.vni.net/~mcl/mpd/rout.htm Sean.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 22:31:42 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19481 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from tom (user-37ka8uk.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.35.212]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA16769 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:31:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000601be2e24$930f33e0$d42345cf@tom> From: "Tom Zell" To: Subject: Re: question Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:30:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Fred, is there anything that you haven't done?? :-) -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Boiade@XXXXXX To: kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 10:04 PM Subject: Re: question >In a message dated 12/22/98 9:17:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX >writes: > ><< If absolute cornering performance was the key issue we'd all be riding > around on FZR400s and not big bikes such as ZX9s. :) > >> >Well, a big bike like a ZX-9R provides a level of absolute performance and >cornering ability that for some might be enjoyable. Your position is, as an >analogy, that a person on a quarterhorse on a show-jumping course is having as >much fun as person that rides a a warm-blood bred specifically for show- >jumping. I used to show-jump competitively and I can tell you that a warm- >blood bred for show-jumping is much more exciting than doing the event with a >quarter-horse. A quarterhorse is more exciting in events it is bred for, i.e. >barrel racing, cutting cattle etc. It is the same with motorcycles. A >quarterhorse struggles on a 4 foot fence while a warmblood does 4 feet for >exercise and competes at 5 plus feet. Just my opinion but I don't think it is >unreasonable. > >Ciao, > >fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 22 23:34:42 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20353 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:34:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA27035; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:34:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:34:29 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Boiade@XXXXXX cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: question - getting long winded In-Reply-To: <2e225c8f.36805c65@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, the list is slow, so I'll send another one out... :) But, first let me point out that this is all in good fun. I've been told that I may sometimes appear to be denigrating people when it isn't necessarily my intention... ;) > << If absolute cornering performance was the key issue we'd all be riding > around on FZR400s and not big bikes such as ZX9s. :) > >> > Well, a big bike like a ZX-9R provides a level of absolute performance and > cornering ability that for some might be enjoyable. Ah, but the ZX's cornering ability is still considered less than the 10 year old yamaha (the FZR is still considered by many to be the best handling generally imported production bike ever to come to the states, whew). That would make the ZX-9R less desirable than the FZR400 if cornering is your ultimate criteria. That a ZX-9R will out accelerate an FZR400 is a somewhat moot point when the discussion is cornering, isn't it? :) Oh, but you say the ZX-9R is also more comfortable than the FZR400. So that's another compromise away from ultimate cornering ability. Someone else may choose to make even more compromises away from cornering ability (e.g., the experienced rider who prefers cruisers but still likes hitting the twisty mountain roads at a brisk pace). So what? > Your position is, as an analogy, that a person on a quarterhorse on a > show-jumping course is having as much fun as person that rides a a > warm-blood bred specifically for show-jumping. Er, I think your analogy would more closely match, again, with the motorcycle racetrack. Show jumping is "pure" like racing. However, the road is not a "pure" environment. Other factors may make a racing oriented bike less desirable for general road use (e.g., the position you're in with low clip-ons doesn't allow as good a view of the surroundings as an upright position does, unless you've got some kind of a phenomenal neck). Style, money, performance, and all kinds of other things all play a role in one's choice of bike. Balancing these things out is a personal thing. > Just my opinion but I don't think it is unreasonable. Certainly, to use cornering ability as a major factor in your choice of bike is not unreasonable. That is particularly true if you ride mostly or only for recreation. Dale has, at different times, listed out several criteria for what a bike ought to be for him. I disagree with just about every one of his points but I don't think it's unreasonable for him to have those points. However, if he were to say to me that I shouldn't ride long distances on my bike because the gas tank is too small I'd think that was unreasonable though. I'd also say that it was unreasonable to assert that you can't have fun going around corners on a Fat Boy. You can. Would it be more fun on an FZR400? Maybe. Would you go faster on the FZR? Absolutely. Does it really matter which one you pick if you're having the kind of fun you want? Not at all. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 00:16:45 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA21032 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:13:08 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirk Roy" , Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: question - getting long winded Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:18:26 -0500 Message-ID: <001101be2e33$ab4e5580$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Kirk, This last paragraph is perhaps the most thoughtful and insightful I have read in a long time. And it's certainly the first in a long time that will require rereading a few times and comparing to my own thoughts and opinions. While I don't know how (if) my opinions will change, you've given me pause to think. Thank you. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Dale has, at different times, listed out several criteria for what a bike > ought to be for him. I disagree with just about every one of his > points but I don't think it's unreasonable for him to have those points. > However, if he were to say to me that I shouldn't ride long distances on > my bike because the gas tank is too small I'd think that was unreasonable > though. I'd also say that it was unreasonable to assert that you can't > have fun going around corners on a Fat Boy. You can. Would it be more fun > on an FZR400? Maybe. Would you go faster on the FZR? Absolutely. Does it > really matter which one you pick if you're having the kind of fun you > want? Not at all. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 00:35:04 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA21315 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA05034; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:31:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:04:12 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Shaft drive question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000e01be2dec$c0305f80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > Shafties are not any harder to corner than the chain/belt driven models. > The VMax has a reputation as being merely a muscle bike; great for the > straight, not so in the corners. But as others have already pointed out, > our very own Steve Beck has proved over and over again it just ain't so. Todd,Glenn,what does this have to do with whether or not shafties handle? How long has Steve been riding,how long has he been riding this bike,and what mods has he done to it?The fact that we know a skilled rider who can handle a big unweildly bike doesn't answer John's question.My dad can seriously tear around on his '69 CB750 and I did a very spirited ride once with a friend of his on a Venture Royal.That doesn't mean that these bikes are easy to ride or even handle well;it just means they're very good riders. In answer to your question,John,shafties generally take more skill to ride fast than chain/belt-driven bikes due to the torque reaction.When you gas it the back end will rise,and if you close the throttle the back end will fall.You have to be smooth on the throttle to ride them fast. Also,most(not all,I said most) shafties are either cruisers or tourers, bikes which aren't really built for corner carving. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 00:38:54 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA21378 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:38:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA05055; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:35:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:31:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Standards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <367F1308.5B6AF191@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Yep. Good solid motor. Shaft drive. Decent sized tank. Standard > ergonomics. Regular old handlebars. Decent ground clearance. Just > enough chrome to look nice. No plastic. I think I just described > Michael Jordan's GSX1100G to a 'T'. :) Now *THAT* is what I'm talking > about. Too bad they don't make 'em anymore. Sniff! :( Your fault Horkster.You didn't buy one. As pentance you must now pruchase a dozen ZXR1100's,or 6 ZXR's and 6 XJR's if they import them.That way the manufacturer's will see them selling and will make more. BTW,you know ZXR's make nice X-Mas gifts? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 00:44:19 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA21489 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA05088; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:40:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:39:13 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Shaft drive question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Whoops,that should've read,"Todd,Kirk...",not Glenn.Got my attributes mixed up. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 00:47:16 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA21567 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc2-s39.wizard.net (tc2-s39.wizard.net [206.161.15.115]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA11183 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:47:13 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: question Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:55:06 -0500 Message-ID: <36828402.1005823@smtp.wizard.net> References: <2e225c8f.36805c65@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2e225c8f.36805c65@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:58:45 EST, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >A quarterhorse is more exciting in events it is bred for, i.e. >barrel racing, cutting cattle etc. It is the same with motorcycles. =20 Well, I'm pretty sure that this particular analogy has *never* been used on dc-cycles before! :-) Definitely a different way of looking at the ol' "my bike is better than yours" argument! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (big heavy bike, and I like it that way!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 00:54:33 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA21673 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc2-s39.wizard.net (tc2-s39.wizard.net [206.161.15.115]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA11551 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:54:31 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: question - getting long winded Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 01:02:24 -0500 Message-ID: <368485d1.1468852@smtp.wizard.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:34:29 -0500 (EST), Kirk Roy wrote: >Style, money, performance, and all kinds of other things all play a role >in one's choice of bike. Balancing these things out is a personal thing. I don't know about you all... but I'm going to save this little quote for future reference. Kirk has really hit the nail on the head with this one! =20 Anita '96 GPZ1100 (the right bike for *me*) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 01:00:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21862 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 01:00:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA17289 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 01:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA25756 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 01:00:31 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WCHQa21691 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:59:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8fb04a4a.368086dd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:59:57 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question - getting long winded Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I agree with Kirk. :) Rob From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 02:08:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA23278 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA17920 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:08:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA26708 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from tom (user-37ka8uk.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.35.212]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA25783; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:07:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007e01be2e42$c9b5b2c0$d42345cf@tom> From: "Tom Zell" To: , Subject: Re: Cruisers,Standards, Sport Bikes, Shafts, Chains, Rake, Trail Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:06:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hey... been there, done that with the VFR.... it was back in '97 when I first got it. I had to ride home from a friend's house with a good 45mph(I'm guessing) gust coming across I-95... had to ride most of the way to Springfield at a good angle and be ready for the wind to slack off... nothing like having the bike go everywhichway on you at night, on a Sunday, while traveling that road(those of you who have had this experience know what I mean). It took me a good 2-3 hours to pry myself from the seat! -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: McKeithen@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 1:24 PM Subject: Cruisers,Standards, Sport Bikes, Shafts, Chains, Rake, Trail >While riding my Night Hawk last night and today in the very gusty winds we >have had I was mulling over the recent threads on the above subjects. It made >me recall driving an early VW Beetle across the Arizona desert some years ago. >If want lesson in crosswind spookyness, give that try! I suspect that the most >unstable current MC (whatever that may be) could not even begin to approach >the pucker factor of that experience. > >Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 03:39:12 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA25017 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA06594; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:35:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:28:48 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Cruisers,Standards, Sport Bikes, Shafts, Chains, Rake, Trail To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <007e01be2e42$c9b5b2c0$d42345cf@tom> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Tom Zell wrote: > Hey... been there, done that with the VFR.... it was back in '97 when I > first got it. I had to ride home from a friend's house with a good > 45mph(I'm guessing) gust coming across I-95... had to ride most of the way > to Springfield at a good angle and be ready for the wind to slack off... > nothing like having the bike go everywhichway on you at night, on a Sunday, > while traveling that road(those of you who have had this experience know > what I mean). Nah.Real fun is to do this on a highway that follows a beach and goes over a bridge complete with a grated surface.Two years later I was still finding sand in the little nooks and crannies of both the bike and my helmet.When I hit the grating I thought I was riding on ball bearings. Had to give all the bodywork a thorough polish job to get out the hazing,and had to buy a new faceshield. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 04:10:28 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA25850 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA06713; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:06:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:36:28 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Product Reviews To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Found a couple product reviews I thought y'all would be interested in: Not to start another oil thread,but MotorWorld Online did an article on Mobil 1 synthetic(http://www.motorworld.com/features98/mobil1/Welcome.html). The latest issue of _MCN_ did a review on Gan Mar risers.They put them on a VFR800 and were pleased with the results.They gave a website for Gen Mar,http://www.zianet.com/GenMar.They also did a review of the Nite Ize fiber optic attachment for AA size Maglites.I bought my father a kit with one of these in it and liked it so much I bought one for myself.It just slides on the end and you can use it to light up all kinds of tight places.The kit I bought also had some other neat things like a headband to put the light in to keep your hands free.A must have for roadside repairs at night. Also in the Jan _MCN_ was a very good article on servicing an Oilhead Beemer.Pretty good info. Finally,on the topic of weenie cruisers,_MCN_ and _CW_ both dynoed the new Harley Twin Cam motor at 76ft/lbs in a Road King and 72ft/lbs in an FXDX(different exhausts,both were carbed).Yamaha claims 92ft/lbs from it's 10cui larger Road Star.Given that every power claim I've seen from a manufacturer was at the crank,a dyno will probably show it to be right in the ballpark with the HD.The EFI Harleys will probably beat it out, and Harley's big bore kit(95",still 3cui smaller) definitely will. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 05:36:26 1998 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA27153 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id FAA04466 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id FAA04462 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id FAA18788 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from NCAIMAIL1 ([192.168.79.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id FAA18784 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:37:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812231037.FAA18784@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:33:00 -0500 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: Bike for sale To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME For anyone interested in a great beginner bike, or just something to mess around with, I'm selling my 98 EX500. For those that remember - yes, the problems are all gone, and it's been running great. (Aside from it not likeing the cold - got to warm it up for a good 5-10 minutes when the temps get down around 35...) I love the bike, but I'm buying an CBR600F4 the first minute they become available. :-) So, anyway: 98 EX500 Somewhere around 4k miles -- I'll have to double check tonight. Proper break-in, maintenance (oil, valve adjust, carb sync, etc...) Dropped once while parking -- if you squint, you can see the scratch. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 08:18:39 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29490 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10295 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:01:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:19:55 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661C2@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: Shaft drive question Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:19:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain oops...thought I hit "reply all" yesterday .... > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LT > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 4:26 PM > To: 'Dale Horstman' > Subject: RE: Shaft drive question > > Well, I honestly hadn't given things much thought until this thread popped > up. > > To be honest, it's very hard to tell on the Maxim... The suspension has > been in such poor disrepair since I got it that it's hard to tell what is > the suspension's fault and what is input from the shaft. I do notice a > little bit of bike twist if I oops and try to make mid corner throttle > changes (other than a smooth roll on), but again, I think the weak > suspenders take a small movement and amplify it quite a bit. As those > who've been on a ride with me lately have seen, it still manages to corner > OK though ;-) (now where did I put that Aluminum stock I was going to use > for rearsets...maybe I left it in the hard luggage he he he) > > I wouldn't want one on a racebike for the simple fact that it would be a > bear to change gear ratios... it's a simple change of sprockets on a > chainer...Or if you have a REAL race bike, you just pop the transmission > cartridge out the side of the bike and change whichever gear you want > to... > Collin > (dang, it's way past time to go home...) > > On Tuesday, December 22, 1998 4:15 PM, Dale Horstman > [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > We should ask Collin how he feels about shafties and corners. > > He's a racer, and he rides an older shaftie on the street. How > > bad is it, Collin? :) > > > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 09:23:10 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00649 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA06678 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223142236.LCKA656@[166.41.242.214]> for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:22:36 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: If I Had to Explain...... Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:24:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be2e7f$efe63b80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal The page is sort of hard to read, but interesting nonetheless > Anyone tired of the "if you don't ride_the_ Made in the USA_ motorcycle", > then you're really not an American? Well, my apologies if the > following has > been brought up and discussed (or cussed:^) before (I'm new). Interesting > as it is, I wonder if there's any validity to it. Enjoy..... > > http://www.wildboomer.com/riku.html > > Please no flames, I'm not knocking brands, jest looking for a new > thread for > those with PMS.... > > Hawk, Newport NC > "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." > CBA/ABATE of NC (Life), AMA (Extra Mile), HRCA, HSTA, MRF, BMWMOA, IBA > (pending). > Current rides: 1998 VFR800F1 ("Jailbait") * 1985 XLH1000 ("$$%#&*!") > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 09:41:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00883 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA22250 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA02096 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:42:57 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:42:54 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:39:36 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ddiefend@XXXXXX Subject: Chains and Rubber -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Yup. A stock Sportster chain is junk and the sooner you replace it with a good O-ringer, the better. As in, before you ruin your sprockets. On the bright side, they do put the good Dunlops on right at the factory instead of some junk Bridgestone you never heard of. Joe >>> - 12/21/98 10:52 AM >>> I have been following the Chain vs. Shaft thread with some interest. I have a Sportster that is chain, and have considered doing the belt conversion that is available from HD. I changed the chain and sprockets at 10K miles. I didn't really need to change the sprockets, but the original chain was stretched. I figured I would start fresh. I installed a very good O-ring chain, changed the ratios and added a chain tensioner. I have made no chain adjustments in 7K miles! Other than the PIA of lubing and the dirt, I am happy. I finally found a good set up for lubing. The chain is a RKO so I bought their lube, put it in an old fashioned pump oil can. I can lube the chain now with a drop per roller interface and not spray my wheel and tire in the process. So for now, I will deal with the chain, as the belt conversion only offers one ratio which is the original, lower, more torque. Since I only have a 4 speed, I want higher end.... still plenty of torque in the HD! On the tire thread.... again, this is a HD Sportster, so consider the performance......I replaced the original Dunlops with threads showing on the rear at 7500 miles. I replaced with Dunlop 401 S/T (Sport/Touring). After 8500 miles now, they still look very good. Now I have not looked, and I probably have "Chicken Stripes", but I have custom ground my pegs, and my saddle bags. I have been very happy with the life and stick of these tires. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 09:48:21 1998 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01039 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:48:19 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA21101; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:49:31 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma020745; Wed, 23 Dec 98 09:48:44 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F4F00MBJAFC47@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566E3.0058BB7E ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:42:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:33:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Perplexing problem To: John Newman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566E3.0050020F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Interesting problem. I have exactly the same thing go wrong with my car. The first time it happened, I took it in to be serviced and they told me they had to replace the radiator. A few months later, it started doing the same thing! I took it in again, and they called me a few days later saying that they couldn't recreate the problem. I came in and picked up the car and the problem had miraculously gone away. Sounds like maybe they misdiagnosed the problem the first time and finally figured it out and didn't want to make me scream about having paid for an unnecessary radiator replacement. In any case, when sitting at lights, try revving your engine up to 2 or 3 thousand rpm and holding it there. Your engine temp should drop almost immediately if it's the same wierd problem I had. This is obviously not a fix, but it might provide some clues. I'm no mechanic obviously, so take this info with a grain of salt. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 09:48:34 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01048 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA19959; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223144727.LMNV656@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:47:27 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Subject: RE: question Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:49:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be2e83$689b6340$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > In a message dated 12/22/98 10:40:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, > kirk@XXXXXX > writes: > > << The whole VMax won't corner argument is made moot by our own > Steve Beck. I > don't think anyone's told him that he can't go around corners on it... > >> > The question is how much better could he go around corners on a bike > specifically designed to do so. > > Ciao, > > Fred Wrong Fred. The question was: "I just got to reading my mail and noticed this thread about shaft driven bikes... Could someone explain why shafties are hard to corner....? I haven't had any experience with them..." -John Newman 88 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 09:49:50 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01058 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA12484; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:47:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223144727.LMNU656@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:47:27 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Subject: RE: Shaft drive question Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:49:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be2e83$684be3b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > In a message dated 12/22/98 4:11:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, > todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > > << BTW, I ride a 670lb beast, shaft driven with hard luggage. > With me on it, > I'm fairly close to 1,000lb of rolling death. I haven't had any trouble > cornering the piss out of the ST1100 though. > > Dale rides a Concourse. Shafty! No problemo. Many others on this list > ride shaft driven bikes. No problemo in the corners. > >> > I don't want to start a flame war but I think that it's a > question of degree. > Sure a very good rider acustomed to a 1000 lb. shaft drive bike can corner > adequately even well, but to say that this rider can keep up with > a rider with > exactly the same skills on a 400 lb. sport-bike is just not rational. > > Ciao, > > Fred Who said I was rational! ;) And besides, I never made the claim you describe. Relax Fred. Have some eggnog. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 09:54:13 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01153 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA16464; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:52:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223145241.LOTD656@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:52:41 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Subject: RE: Perplexing problem Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:54:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01be2e84$237c6bf0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <6782052.3680462a@aol.com> Importance: Normal > In a message dated 12/22/98 5:08:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jnewman@XXXXXX writes: > > << I have been told that it is a problem with the waterpump. >> > Probably, but run it with the thermostat removed first to see if it stays > cool. > > Ciao, > > Fred As a test of thermostat condition, this is fine. Do NOT run your engine w/o a thermostat as a normal habit though. There's a reason it is there. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 09:56:59 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01166 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:58:46 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:58:37 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:53:00 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Standards -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Upon further reflection, I think I know the answer. Q: What do race-replicas and cruisers have in common? A: Large pose potential. For some people, style is much more important than function. (And please let's not get into a "function" flame war. I'm talking about what poseurs want in a bike, not what the bike is capable of). Joe >>> Kirk Roy - 12/21/98 1:38 PM >>> On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, JOE NAGY wrote: > BTW, why the cruiser category has thrived instead of > standards is beyond me. Cripes, we oughta be seeing painted and chromed > CB-1s instead of single-crankpin ACEs. I'm also confused as to why cruisers are so popular and new standard bikes are hard to find. For that matter, I'm confused why sportbikes are so much more popular than standards. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 09:58:20 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01241 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:00:15 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:00:08 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:56:20 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Standards -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Even though I'm not the biggest Honda fan in the world, I think that the CB 1000 (aka The big One) is one of the best looking bikes ever made. Especially the black one. Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 10:03:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01329 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22859 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02814 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA06900; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223150243.LTZX656@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:02:43 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Here's an event for ya... Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:04:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be2e85$8a79f8d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <8300503e.368062bd@aol.com> Importance: Normal Excellent! I was LOL. :) Todd > > Can we nominate people for this event...? I have a few in mind... > > http://www.vni.net/~mcl/mpd/rout.htm > > Sean.... > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 10:06:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01418 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22907 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA02889 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:06:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981223150838.14821.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send206.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:08:38 PST Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:08:38 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Chains and Rubber -Reply To: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ddiefend@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On the bright side, they do put the good Dunlops on right at the factory > instead of some junk Bridgestone you never heard of. > > Joe > Any other old timers (previously defined as anyone actually alive before Woodstock) remember the Mag Mopus? Twenty years ago or so almost every Japanese bike came from the factory with Mag Mopus tyres (Dunlop? Bridgestone? my memory fails me) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 10:13:33 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01498 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA11272; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:12:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223151250.LYRM656@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:12:50 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Shaft drive question Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:14:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be2e86$f3c85380$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Gil Nissly wrote: > In answer to your question,John,shafties generally take more skill to > ride fast than chain/belt-driven bikes due to the torque reaction.When > you gas it the back end will rise,and if you close the throttle the back > end will fall.You have to be smooth on the throttle to ride them fast. These are correct and accurate statements. Though, the same holds true for chain driven bikes. > Also,most(not all,I said most) shafties are either cruisers or tourers, > bikes which aren't really built for corner carving. True again, and a sad thing it is. I think the bigger considerations while designing a "corner carving" sport bike are total curb weight and power to the back wheel. A shafty robs power and adds weight. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 10:30:17 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01866 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:30:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812231530.KAA01866@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:29:15 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Standards -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:29:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) exactly.. the SBs (Squid Boys) and RUBs are looking for status icons.. They'll take the GSXR750 over the Laverda SF750 Formula (hot ass bike) just because they heard of the GSXR, and the Laverdas come in 1/2 fairing (I think they finally got some full fairing bikes over here). They're playing up to the image.. not concerned with potential or ability.... The RUBs just want to sink as much money as they can.. rolling downpayment on a house (or a house itself in some parts of the country).. of course, what do I know.. I often inhabit the bowls of the net.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > Upon further reflection, I think I know the answer. > Q: What do race-replicas and cruisers have in common? > A: Large pose potential. > For some people, style is much more important than function. (And > please let's not get into a "function" flame war. I'm talking about > what poseurs want in a bike, not what the bike is capable of). > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 10:32:04 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01877 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:32:03 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WQVa021691; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:29:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6bd04ecf.36810c6f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:29:51 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I am wondering for what kind of riding would you see a difference? Do you go 100mph down winding roads? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 10:33:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01897 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23168 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03466 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:33:28 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9QRWa23947; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:31:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e5cb5c5.36810cea@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:31:54 EST To: ph@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more on VZ800 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/19/98 5:49:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, ph@XXXXXX writes: << A few folks on the marauder list have tossed around the idea of a tach. I might add one some day, but it's hardly a necessity. >> How do you know when you are redlining without a tack....a calibrated ear? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 10:34:06 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01906 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA07335; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223153329.MJHV656@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:33:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Shaft drive question Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:35:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01be2e89$d659d000$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661C2@MSCEX> Importance: Normal Collin Fagen wrote: > > I wouldn't want one on a racebike for the simple fact that it would be a > > bear to change gear ratios... it's a simple change of sprockets on a > > chainer...Or if you have a REAL race bike, you just pop the transmission > > cartridge out the side of the bike and change whichever gear you want > > to... > > Collin This sounds reasonable. How about a sport bike for the road though? Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 10:40:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01985 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23230 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03591 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10189; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:39:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:39:52 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on VZ800 In-Reply-To: <1e5cb5c5.36810cea@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII STARAI -- Heh. You don't, of course. I don't know if the marauder's mill has a rev limiter either. I listen and feel for the shift points, which is totally subjective, of course, but it's as close to a "calibrated ear" as I'll get without a tach for corroboration. -ph On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > How do you know when you are redlining without a tack....a calibrated ear? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 10:51:56 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02231 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.23]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:48:12 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: If I Had to Explain...... Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:53:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be2e8c$665813e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <000601be2e7f$efe63b80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Soichiro Honda actually wanted (or owned?) one of these... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > The page is sort of hard to read, but interesting nonetheless > > > Anyone tired of the "if you don't ride_the_ Made in the USA_ > motorcycle", > > then you're really not an American? Well, my apologies if the > > following has > > been brought up and discussed (or cussed:^) before (I'm new). > Interesting > > as it is, I wonder if there's any validity to it. Enjoy..... > > > > http://www.wildboomer.com/riku.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 10:54:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02286 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23430 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA03967 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:56:34 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:56:25 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:53:11 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on VZ800 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline On a lot of v-twins, it's easy. Just shift when your hands get blurry. Joe >>> - 12/23/98 10:31 AM >>> In a message dated 12/19/98 5:49:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, ph@XXXXXX writes: << A few folks on the marauder list have tossed around the idea of a tach. I might add one some day, but it's hardly a necessity. >> How do you know when you are redlining without a tack....a calibrated ear? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 10:54:44 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02295 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA24609; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:53:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223155337.MULE656@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:53:37 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Subject: RE: Shaft drive question Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:55:23 -0500 Message-ID: <001501be2e8c$a66a3530$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <6bd04ecf.36810c6f@aol.com> Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: STARAI@XXXXXX [mailto:STARAI@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 10:30 AM > To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX; gnissley@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Shaft drive question > > > I am wondering for what kind of riding would you see a > difference? Do you go > 100mph down winding roads? Not ALL the time. :) If this was directed at Gil, sorry. But in my case I now own a CB750 (chain driven) and an ST1100 (shaft). I have put both bikes through their paces, but when it comes to nerves, I prefer the CB750. It is lighter and cheaper to replace. If the drives were switched, I'd still prefer the CB750 for the same reasons. My first real road bike was a VT500c (Shadow, Shafty). I put over 35,000 miles on that bike and used to ride it like a sport bike (feet on back pegs, leaned over the tank). When I got the CB750, guess which bike got taken to the hills more often...the VT! Same reasons. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 10:57:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02380 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23468 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04057 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:57:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.23]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:54:10 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , , Subject: RE: more on VZ800 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:59:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be2e8d$3b55d5a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <1e5cb5c5.36810cea@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I think the general rule of thumb (and the one I applied to my Jeep a few years ago) was that when it stopped pulling hard, you shifted. Luckily, in the Jeep, this was accompanied by a frightful shriek that you just shouldn't be hearing:) A lot of new bikes have rev limiters. If the Marauder has one, you might want to find out where it is, and what the bike sounds like at that time. Or, if you can shift fast enough, bump it off the rev limiter every time (kidding!) The owner's manual (you've read it, right?) might have a speed limit per gear. This should be close. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > How do you know when you are redlining without a tack....a calibrated ear? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:04:15 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02460 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA08630; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223160341.MZVN656@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:03:41 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Standards -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:05:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001601be2e8e$0e29d990$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199812231530.KAA01866@meretrix.com> Importance: Normal > > of course, what do I know.. I often inhabit the bowls of the net.. > > Brian You're a net-turd Brian ;) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:06:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02539 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23586 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04220 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:06:32 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4TEHa23521; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:05:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:05:17 EST To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more on VZ800 -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/23/98 10:54:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, NAGYJ@XXXXXX writes: << Just shift when your hands get blurry. >> What does this mean? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:06:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02542 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23589 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04223 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19991; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:07:24 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661C5@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'STARAI@XXXXXX'" , ph@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: more on VZ800 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:07:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I would say it's more of a calibrated butt! :) As you get some experience on the particular machine, you can almost make a mental picture of the power curves as you rev the engine. After a while, you'll be able to feel exactly when you're at the peak of the power curve and basically the redline.. On Wednesday, December 23, 1998 10:47 AM, STARAI@XXXXXX [SMTP:STARAI@XXXXXX] wrote: > In a message dated 12/19/98 5:49:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, ph@XXXXXX > writes: > > << > A few folks on the marauder list have tossed around the idea of a tach. I > might add one some day, but it's hardly a necessity. > >> > > How do you know when you are redlining without a tack....a calibrated ear? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:07:48 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02564 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20079; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:09:03 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661C6@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Shaft drive question Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:09:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well....Assuming it came from the factory witha gear ratio that I liked (hasn't happened yet on the chainers..), sure. I'd love a shaft driven sportbike. I see the extra weight as a good thing, unlike current lightere is better convention. Persoanlly, other than the comfort factor for riders taller than 5'10", I thought my 93 GSXR750 was an awesome street ride. It weighed in at over 500 pounds and had a moderately long wheelbase. For spirited backroad riding, it was rock stable..none of the twitchiness of the newer lightweight generation of sportbikes. So, yeah, I wouldn't mind one... Say..what does that new BMW sport bike use anyhow?? If any of the modern commonly imported bikes would try it, I'm guessing BMW might someday... On Wednesday, December 23, 1998 10:35 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > Collin Fagen wrote: > > > I wouldn't want one on a racebike for the simple fact that it would be a > > > bear to change gear ratios... it's a simple change of sprockets on a > > > chainer...Or if you have a REAL race bike, you just pop the transmission > > > cartridge out the side of the bike and change whichever gear you want > > > to... > > > Collin > > This sounds reasonable. How about a sport bike for the road though? > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:14:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02677 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23684 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04438 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20473; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:14:49 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661C7@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'STARAI@XXXXXX'" , ph@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: more on VZ800 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:14:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Oh yeah.. forgot to mention... I ran all last season on the race bike without a tach. Only bumped the rev limiter a couple of times... Very easy to feel where the power is at on it. 2 smokes are a different story. I've found a tach very necessary on a high power 2 stroke sport bike (not that there's a lot of em running around though). Riding John's Aprillia, I found that I had to keep a close eye on the tach. On Wednesday, December 23, 1998 10:47 AM, STARAI@XXXXXX [SMTP:STARAI@XXXXXX] wrote: > In a message dated 12/19/98 5:49:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, ph@XXXXXX > writes: > > << > A few folks on the marauder list have tossed around the idea of a tach. I > might add one some day, but it's hardly a necessity. > >> > > How do you know when you are redlining without a tack....a calibrated ear? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:32:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03035 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23927 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05210 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:34:14 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:34:14 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:30:43 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on VZ800 -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >>> - 12/23/98 11:05 AM >>> In a message dated 12/23/98 10:54:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, NAGYJ@XXXXXX writes: << Just shift when your hands get blurry. >> What does this mean? Sorry, you've probably never ridden a solidly-mounted twin like a Harley Sportster. At higher revs, the vibrations get to a point where everything starts shaking rapidly. The bars shake, the grips shake and so your hands get "blurry." The phenomenon could also be due to your eyeballs rattling in their sockets. I'm sure some of the other old fartz can relate. Sort of a joke that underscores the uselessness of revving out the average vee twin. Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:35:08 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03123 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:35:06 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WFGJa05606; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:29:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6daf8c55.36811a79@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:29:45 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, jnewman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/23/98 9:47:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << Who said I was rational! ;) And besides, I never made the claim you describe. Relax Fred. Have some eggnog. >> I'm as relaxed as can be. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:35:18 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03132 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:35:16 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WNZJa24265; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:33:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63eba0d5.36811b71@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:33:53 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/23/98 9:47:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << Wrong Fred. The question was: "I just got to reading my mail and noticed this thread about shaft driven bikes... Could someone explain why shafties are hard to corner....? >> Sorry, I should have said "An alternative question is....." sorry to have hijacked your question. BTW was your question answered Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:35:49 1998 Return-Path: jstpeter@XXXXXX Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03144 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:32:50 -0500 Message-ID: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A842912AA@machine01.intelx.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Financing Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:32:47 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain A friend just bought a brand new F3 and is looking for financing. Honda wanted like 12.5% and Nations 15 or so. Anyone know a place that will give good rates on MCs? Hell, I've got some credit cards that would be better than that. I've always used my credit union, but he doesn't have one. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:40:14 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03183 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:40:13 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WUJNa23521; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:38:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e5de08f.36811c76@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:38:14 EST To: STARAI@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/23/98 10:39:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, STARAI@XXXXXX writes: << Do you go 100mph down winding roads? >> Hmmmm, I think a few people on this list would have to take the 5th? on this, at least I would. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:44:43 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03270 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA28348 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:44:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223164409.NVTD656@[166.41.242.214]> for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:44:09 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Stand up and fight.... Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:45:55 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01be2e93$b5822cb0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal ....or say bye bye to another one of your freedoms.. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/nat003.htm I say gunmakers should sue the cities for bad laws. That goes for all special interests, including motorcycle manufactures (there, moto-content). Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:45:58 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03347 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:45:56 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FZBMa24265; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:44:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1483c0d8.36811e06@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:44:54 EST To: cfagan@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/23/98 11:14:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << For spirited backroad riding, it was rock stable..none of the twitchiness of the newer lightweight generation of sportbikes. >> Actually, I find my 98-ZX-9R less "twitchy" than my 86-VFR-750 (it weighs 30-35 lbs. more than the 9) and much less twitchy than an 87 GSXR-750 I owned. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:47:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03357 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24214 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05784 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:47:28 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WPLKa29092 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:46:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8c9384d2.36811e6f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:46:39 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: fuel valve Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 1. do you all turn the valve off at the end of a ride? I was used to the VX800 which had no off position (just ON and reserve). 2. do you estimate the fuel level by the odometer or do you run to the reserve? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:52:35 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03435 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:52:33 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WSDLa23946; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:50:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59ea2364.36811f5d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:50:37 EST To: Boiade@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/23/98 11:38:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, Boia de writes: << << Do you go 100mph down winding roads? >> Hmmmm, I think a few people on this list would have to take the 5th? on this, at least I would. >> Seems like a newbie would not keep up with you guys. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 11:54:18 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03453 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:54:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09565; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:54:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199812231654.LAA09565@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Jay St. Peter" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:53:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Financing Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A842912AA@machine01.intelx.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 23 Dec 98, at 11:32, Jay St. Peter wrote: > A friend just bought a brand new F3 and is looking for financing. Honda > wanted like 12.5% and Nations 15 or so. Anyone know a place that will > give good rates on MCs? Hell, I've got some credit cards that would be > better than that. I've always used my credit union, but he doesn't have > one. 12.5% isn't that bad for a motorcycle, actually. I think Crestar gave me something like 12% on my GPZ. Banks don't like to loan on motorcycles (or RV's for that matter). If I was more disciplined I would have just used one of those promo credit card deals (4.9%) and keep switching the balance. But in my case I'm better off having a set monthly payment.. :-) I got 1.9% financing on my Ford Ranger from Ford Motor Credit... *that* is amazing! No incentive to pay that sucker off early! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (30 payments to go!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:04:32 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03630 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:04:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812231704.MAA03630@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:04:26 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: twitchy bikes.. Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:04:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) wait, you found the VFR twitchy? The only thing more stable than my VFR (when I forst got it.. before I destroyed the suspention) was my 83 CB1100f with Ohlins suspenders front and rear.. (of the bikes I've ridden) and that thing wouldn't turn worth anything.. I can't imagine a lighter bike with more HP, and a shorter wheelbase, not to mention more radical rake/trail being more stable.. but what they hey, that's just MY opinion.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > In a message dated 12/23/98 11:14:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, > cfagan@XXXXXX writes: > > << For spirited backroad riding, > it was rock stable..none of the twitchiness of the newer lightweight > generation of sportbikes. >> > > Actually, I find my 98-ZX-9R less "twitchy" than my > 86-VFR-750 (it weighs > 30-35 lbs. more than the 9) and much less twitchy than an 87 > GSXR-750 I owned. > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:10:56 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03785 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 109 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:09:12 -0500 Message-ID: <36812412.C4491B8A@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:10:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, my name is Dale, and I drove my cage today. :( Ice and freezing rain forecasts for this afternoon scared me into this cowardly act. I'm so ashamed. :) Ride safe, those of you braver than I. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:15:15 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03955 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:15:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812231715.MAA03955@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:15:07 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: and now for something different.. Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:15:03 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) who got cold hands this morning.. from RIDING their bike? Hrmmm.. yup, I suppose I did.. Anita, TURN ON THE ELECTRICS.. I wanna be warm From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:18:44 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04042 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24987 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06789 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DW6WS67E; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:18:21 EST To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain tech.. Message-ID: <19981222.103146.5263.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <19981222014218.26118.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-4,6-8 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:18:21 EST On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:42:18 -0800 (PST) Ray writes: >the other is it smells a lot nicer (except JP8 which smells terrible on purpose). >Ray I remember the stench of jet fuel from when I worked out a Dulles. Why does JP8 stink on purpose? JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:18:46 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04043 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DW6WS7GH; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:18:21 EST To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perplexing problem Message-ID: <19981222.103147.5263.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <008501be2dfa$fa9698c0$434f37a6@default> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-13,17-19,21 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:18:21 EST On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:32:35 -0500 people wrote: >>I think the most likely situation is that your bike is now junk. >>FZR400s are notoriously crappy bikes. If you give me your address I'll come >>by and take it off your hands, no charge. :) >> >>Kirk > > >Yeah, they suck. You don't want it. You should just let me have it >so I can drop my 600 engine in that piece of crap. 8^O > >Jon I told John Newman when he came in here that FZR400s were really cool and here you all are telling him what scrap piles they really are. Jerks! Oh well... I told him I'd ALWAYS wanted one and made goo-goo eyes at his bike and that didn't work, so good luck trying it your way. ;-) JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ps. Did you get your registration problems worked out with the Jersey dealer, John Newman? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:18:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04047 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24993 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06795 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:18:41 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WLURa05610 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:17:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:17:52 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: ...just read the VZ800 owner's manual Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 1. chain maintenance...This is my first chain drive bike. It says lube every 600 miles. For me, that's once a week...geez. Is the requirement to spray it with WD-40? 2. shifting speeds 1-2 12 mph 2-3 20 mph 3-4 25 mph Looks like you rip through the gears faster than I thought. There is no blurring by this guidance. Any thoughts? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:21:02 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04154 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11872; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:21:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199812231721.MAA11872@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:20:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous Priority: normal In-reply-to: <36812412.C4491B8A@tidalwave.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 23 Dec 98, at 12:10, Dale Horstman wrote: > Hi, my name is Dale, > and I drove my cage today. :( It was 24 degrees at my house at 10:30 am... that's enough to keep me in my truck as well! Silly me, I was thinking that it might be nice to go for a ride on Christmas... and now it's going to SNOW! Looks like it'll be me, the doggies, and a stack of DVD's instead! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (brrrrrr!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:21:06 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04157 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zsrxq-0005gi-00; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:20:50 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:18:56 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DD0018C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:16:32 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got a ride in from my generous fianc=E9, Tom, because my bike's = battery is toast. : ( I think it hates the cold. ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 12:11 PM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous >=20 > Hi, my name is Dale, > and I drove my cage today. :( >=20 > Ice and freezing rain forecasts=20 > for this afternoon scared me into > this cowardly act. I'm so ashamed. :) >=20 > Ride safe, those of you braver than I. >=20 > --=20 > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) =20 > horkster@XXXXXX =20 > Dale City, Virginia =20 >=20 > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:22:44 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04184 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25093 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:22:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06899 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:22:36 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id KINCa22859 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:21:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <29257329.368126b7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:21:59 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: and now for something different.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 In a message dated 12/23/98 12:19:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << who got cold hands this morning.. from RIDING their bike? Hrmmm.. yup, I suppose I did.. Anita, TURN ON THE ELECTRICS.. I wanna be warm >> Yep, the fingers got a bit numb on the way in. And my ride to work is only about 10 minutes down the GW parkway. Those electrics are sounding better and better... Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:38:51 1998 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04467 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:38:49 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8AWUa05609; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:33:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:33:27 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 In a message dated 12/23/98 1:16:02 PM, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: Hi my name is Marcy :D and I WOULD have rode in today but after 15 minutes of pushing the starter and the bike turning over for oh about 2 seconds before dying - I gave up.......and I just got my new longjohns too ...... poor thing must be frozen to death. :( <> From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:45:01 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04557 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:44:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA03532; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:44:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223174422.PAEH656@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:44:22 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:46:07 -0500 Message-ID: <002501be2e9c$1eba8a30$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <36812412.C4491B8A@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > Hi, my name is Dale, > and I drove my cage today. :( > > Ice and freezing rain forecasts > for this afternoon scared me into > this cowardly act. I'm so ashamed. :) > > Ride safe, those of you braver than I. It takes a brave man to admit he's a coward ;) And though I respect your reasons, your reasoning is all wrong! My rules for riding in to work; 1) if it ain't raining/snowing I ride. I can always leave early, or just get wet on the way home. And 2) if it is above 16 degrees F, I ride. Since I've no electrics, that seems the lowest I can go (experience) without risking exposure. But I gotta tell ya, my legs were almost numb by the time I got to work this morning. Idiot me decided that layering was not necessary. Only thing on the legs were my Draggin' Jeans.....Brrrr 23 degrees F at avgspeed of 65mph...windchill of roughly -17.5 degrees F. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:47:04 1998 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04634 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA06134 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA06126 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id MAA05286 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:48:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from NCAIMAIL1 ([192.168.79.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id MAA05281 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:48:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812231748.MAA05281@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:44:00 -0500 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: RE: ...just read the VZ800 owner's manua To: STARAI Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME -----Original Message----- From: STARAI [mailto:STARAI@XXXXXX] << 2. shifting speeds 1-2 12 mph 2-3 20 mph 3-4 25 mph Looks like you rip through the gears faster than I thought. >> They're lying. My EX500 manual states that I should be in 5th by 35mph. HA! Doing that would cause the bike to bog down REAL bad, and I can't imagine it's too good for the engine either. I think I'm making the shift to 2ND somewhere around 35mph... On the whole two bikes I've ridden (EX500 and ST1100), I think I shift somewhere around 50%-75% of redline for normal acceleration. Shift where it seems comfortable to you, and doesn't bog the bike down going into the next gear. --Brad From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:53:58 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04755 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:53:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812231753.MAA04755@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:53:54 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: ...just read the VZ800 owner's manual Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:53:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Well, you'll run into a LOT of opinions on this (like, noone does the same thing). Some people swear by doing nothing to their chains - just riding them, and adjusting when/if necessary. others (like me) carefully clean their chains with a jar of Kerosene and a toothbrush every 300 miles.. There are all sorts of people inbetween.. just depends how much you like working on your bike.. I love it, so I do lots to keep it in good shape.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > 1. chain maintenance...This is my first chain drive bike. > It says lube every > 600 miles. For me, that's once a week...geez. Is the > requirement to spray it > with WD-40? > > Any thoughts? > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:54:08 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04764 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:55:46 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:55:23 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline >>>> Dale Horstman 12/23/98 12:10PM >>> >Hi, my name is Dale, HI DALE. >and I drove my cage today. :( >Ice and freezing rain forecasts=20 >for this afternoon scared me into >this cowardly act. I'm so ashamed. :) Don't feel bad. I metro to work everyday. Don't feel too safe parking = the bike around here. >Ride safe, those of you braver than I. Agreed. >--=20 >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) =20 >horkster@XXXXXX =20 >Dale City, Virginia =20 > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 Happy Holidays Everyone. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:54:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04774 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25407 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA07407 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:54:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981223175907.12241.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send204.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:59:07 PST Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:59:07 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Chain tech.. To: Bikes R Us Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I remember the stench of jet fuel from when I worked out a Dulles. Why > does JP8 stink on purpose? > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > > So children and dogs don't drink it (cats can go ahead and drink up). Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 12:59:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04851 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25522 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07555 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA24160; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223175911.PHAZ656@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:59:11 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: ...just read the VZ800 owner's manual Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:00:56 -0500 Message-ID: <002801be2e9e$30816750$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Tom Starai wrote: > 1. chain maintenance...This is my first chain drive bike. It > says lube every > 600 miles. For me, that's once a week...geez. Is the > requirement to spray it > with WD-40? Go back and read your manual again. It probably says to check and adjust the chain as needed every 600 miles. As some have pointed out recently, wd-40 should be an acceptable rust deterrant for a sealed o-ring chain. > 2. shifting speeds > 1-2 12 mph > 2-3 20 mph > 3-4 25 mph > Looks like you rip through the gears faster than I thought. There is no > blurring by this guidance. > > Any thoughts? Yeah, these are guidelines. As you get used to the bike, you'll shift where you feel comfortable doing so. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 13:04:44 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04947 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:04:43 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VIUKa01706; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:59:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7bed0c72.36812f99@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:59:53 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: twitchy bikes.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/23/98 12:09:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << I can't imagine a lighter bike with more HP, and a shorter wheelbase, not to mention more radical rake/trail being more stable.. but what they hey, that's just MY opinion.. >> Can you say 16 inch front wheel? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 13:11:05 1998 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05052 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zsskB-0003oV-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:10:47 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12066 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:14:35 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED71F@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:14:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > if it is above 16 degrees F, I ride. > > Um . . . why 16?? Why not 14?? Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 13:14:33 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05129 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:14:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06249 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:14:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:14:26 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: and now for something different.. In-Reply-To: <199812231715.MAA03955@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > who got cold hands this morning.. from RIDING their bike? Well, let's see, I wore my summer gloves today and my hands were fine. Nope, no cold hands here! It might be the polar hands I've got on my bars... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 13:18:39 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05215 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:18:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981223181902.20068.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send203.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:19:02 PST Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:19:02 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Shaft drive question To: Boiade@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii a > Hmmmm, I think a few people on this list would have to take the 5th? on this, Thats 757ml to you Collin! Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 13:20:06 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05287 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:20:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981223182448.24645.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send202.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:24:48 PST Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:24:48 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous To: David Cross , DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Last winter when I lived in Alabama I scornfully stated to cage pilots that it's never too cold to ride. Damn was I wrong! 19 degrees when I went to work at 0600 AM in the morning. Ray ---David Cross wrote: > > > if it is above 16 degrees F, I ride. > > > > > Um . . . why 16?? Why not 14?? > > Dave > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 13:30:22 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05495 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A6AD1030258; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:30:05 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981223132837.029286d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:30:08 -0500 To: DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous In-Reply-To: <36812412.C4491B8A@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:10 PM 12/23/98 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Hi, my name is Dale, >and I drove my cage today. :( HI, DALE! >Ice and freezing rain forecasts >for this afternoon scared me into >this cowardly act. I'm so ashamed. :) Oops, I didn't hear THOSE forecasts - else I would have brought the sidecar rig. :-) Was glad how easily the "new" bike started at 17 deg. F this morning. Think I'll put synthetic oil in it though, to make it easier to turn over. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 13:42:33 1998 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05690 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacman (sales-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.12]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11853 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:42:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981223134501.00a26100@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:46:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Re: Weeny cruisers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 14:09 22-12-98 , you wrote: >According to my '98 Honda Catalog the PC800 is still being made. I haven't >seen any in showrooms, but they must be out there somewhere. I saw one (black) in Dallas PA last week, in the showroom of "Rider's World". Coleman's in Woodbridge had one too, at least the last time I was there about 2 weeks ago. --w http://shadow.newspeak.org/ wes@XXXXXX '96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" '78 CB750 "Extra Sled" SOHC/4 #1017 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 13:44:41 1998 Return-Path: hdknight@XXXXXX Received: from bc.mountain.net (root@XXXXXX [198.77.1.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05706 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (AM4-11.Martinsburg-WV.Mountain.Net [198.77.15.160]) by bc.mountain.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA08211 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:44:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301be2ea4$4408e360$a00f4dc6@oemcomputer> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Speaking of cold hands Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:44:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE2E7A.567BE300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE2E7A.567BE300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got caught out riding yesterday, and It was great and warm, I have = a nice winter riding suit and was comfortable, except that is for my = hands. I would like to see if there is some consensus on the warmest = gloves available out there not including electric. The heavy HD I have = just did not cut it, evem with the liners I was wearing once it got = below freezing. It was 26 degrees by time I got home last nite, and by = that point I was superslabbing it home at 80 MPH The hands are/were the = only thing hurting what was a really enjoyable ride. Anyway, are any = of the Olympia, or Roadgear or any other gloves generally considered the = warmest available.=20 On another note, I finally sat on the new Kawi ZRX-1100, it was very = very nice. and surprising to me anyway, is that even with my short = inseam, I could still sit flat footed. Now just need to come up with a = couple more grand....;). Well everyone enjoy the Holidays, and be careful, looks like we may = be in for a batch of weather the next couple days. It isnt much , but = for those of you new to the DC area, these idiots dont have a clue how = to winter drive. I have to admit though, I always love watching some = yuppie with there $30,000 SUV spinning it into a guardrail or ditch, = thinking its invincible. hehe;). =20 And lets get this bus trip rolling...Anita has put a lot of work = into getting this thing set up. Lets get going guys, its should be a = good time. =20 Ken HDKnight 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE2E7A.567BE300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I got caught out = riding=20 yesterday, and It was great and warm, I have a nice winter riding suit = and was=20 comfortable, except that is for my hands.  I would like to see if = there is=20 some consensus on the warmest gloves available out there not including=20 electric.  The heavy HD I have just did not cut it, evem with the = liners I=20 was wearing once it got below freezing.  It was 26 degrees by time = I got=20 home last nite, and by that point I was superslabbing it home at 80 = MPH =20 The hands are/were the only thing hurting what  was a really = enjoyable=20 ride.  Anyway, are any of the Olympia, or Roadgear or any other = gloves=20 generally considered the warmest available. 
 
    On another note, = I finally=20 sat on the new Kawi ZRX-1100, it was very very nice.  and = surprising to me=20 anyway,  is that even with my short inseam, I could still sit flat=20 footed.  Now just need to come up with a couple more=20 grand....;).
 
    Well everyone = enjoy the=20 Holidays, and be careful, looks like we may be in for a batch of weather = the=20 next couple days.  It isnt much , but for those of you new to the = DC area,=20 these idiots dont have a clue how to winter drive.  I have to admit = though,=20 I always love watching some yuppie with there $30,000 SUV spinning it = into a=20 guardrail or ditch,  thinking its invincible.  hehe;). =20
 
    And lets get this = bus trip=20 rolling...Anita has put a lot of work into getting this thing set = up.  Lets=20 get going guys, its should be a good time. 
 
Ken
HDKnight
1996 XLH 1200
Ride=20 Safe
Inwood, WV
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE2E7A.567BE300-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:21:12 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06406 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:21:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812231921.OAA06406@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:57:02 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: bike starting.. Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:56:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I've now seen a couple references to starting bikes on cold mornings, and how 'easy' or 'hard' it was... Maybe I've just been lucky, maybe there's something going on here.. but I've never had a problem starting a bike, warm or cold, unless it had some sort of problem (bad battery, bad fuse, spun bearing, etc.. ). I'm just curious what you all have to do to get your bikes started? Full choke, and the starter motor turns over about 3 times before my bike fires.. at which time I sit down, wait for my butt to get used to the cold seat, and ride off - choke to full-off by the end of my driveway.. I ride the bike daily, it's an 87 VFR700, Mobil 1 15-50 oil that has about 3k miles on it, no battery charger, 89 octane gas... it lives in a garage, but it's not heated or insulated or anything (unless I go crank up the kerosene heater)... am I lucky, or is there something else I'm just doing right? Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:33:14 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06590 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from viking.cris.com (viking [206.173.119.81]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA22859; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:33:09 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by viking.cris.com (8.8.5) id OAA08525; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:33:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:33:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Shaft drive question In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661C6@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don't all the Moto Guzzi sportbikes use a shaft drive? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeDev#6074 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800F1 ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > Well....Assuming it came from the factory witha gear ratio that I liked > (hasn't happened yet on the chainers..), sure. I'd love a shaft driven > sportbike. I see the extra weight as a good thing, unlike current lightere > is better convention. > Persoanlly, other than the comfort factor for riders taller than 5'10", I > thought my 93 GSXR750 was an awesome street ride. It weighed in at over 500 > pounds and had a moderately long wheelbase. For spirited backroad riding, > it was rock stable..none of the twitchiness of the newer lightweight > generation of sportbikes. > So, yeah, I wouldn't mind one... Say..what does that new BMW sport bike use > anyhow?? If any of the modern commonly imported bikes would try it, I'm > guessing BMW someday... From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:36:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06690 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26781 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10546 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:36:41 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id RDMBa29093; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:15:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:15:10 EST To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, raymondlucas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Chain tech.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/23/98 12:24:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: << I remember the stench of jet fuel from when I worked out a Dulles. Why does JP8 stink on purpose? >> So you know it's there? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:37:57 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06700 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07633 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:37:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:37:52 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands In-Reply-To: <001301be2ea4$4408e360$a00f4dc6@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Ken wrote: > Anyway, are any of the Olympia, or Roadgear or any other gloves > generally considered the warmest available. I've never had gloves that could keep my hands warm. So, I use polar hands. These are big mitts that fit over the ends of the handlebars and cover your controls and much of your forearm. I use my summer gloves all through winter and never have problems with cold hands. I've got small hands and developing arthritis so the thin gloves are pretty much essential for me - making the polar hands my only real option. I'm actually thinking of adding heated grips to see if that eases some of my arthritis pains and not expressly to fight the cold. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:38:44 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06710 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 340; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:37:05 -0500 Message-ID: <368146C0.430EF5F9@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:38:40 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STARAI@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: fuel valve References: <8c9384d2.36811e6f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > 1. do you all turn the valve off at the end of a ride? I was used to the > VX800 which had no off position (just ON and reserve). My Concours has On, Prime, and Reserve. It's (and yours) are vacuum operated, so On is really Off unless the engine is running. :) Prime is on all the time. > 2. do you estimate the fuel level by the odometer or do you run to the > reserve? I used odometer mainly, reserve as a double-check, and the fuel guage as live entertainment (actualy, it's not nearly so bad since I "adjusted" it. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:40:00 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06720 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:39:58 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VLZTa05610; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:35:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <88890fa1.3681461f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:35:59 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bike starting.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/23/98 2:28:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Full choke, and the starter motor turns over about 3 times before my bike fires.. at which time I sit down, wait for my butt to get used to the cold seat, and ride off - choke to full-off by the end of my driveway.. >> I am always amazed at how easily my 86-VFR-750 starts in any kind of weather. Full choke and it appears to start before the starter motor actually engages, a bit of hyperbole.. Maybe it is a VFR thing. The 98 ZX-9r starts easily but not as easily as 14 year old VFR. BTW, for the Norton (a problem starter) I sit a ceramic heater with a fan near the sump for an hour prior to kick- starting the thing. If I didn't I wouldn't have working knee joints. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:43:09 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06827 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA19115; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:42:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223194233.RBJB656@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:42:33 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "David Cross" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01be2eac$a0abd160$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED71F@bdanet.com> Importance: Normal Limited experience. Never experienced anything below 16 degrees F. So, the limit is partially arbitrary. It could have easily turned out to be 14, but it didn't. ;) Maybe we'll get a 12 degree F day soon to test my now current limit :) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: David Cross [mailto:david@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 1:15 PM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: RE: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous > > > > if it is above 16 degrees F, I ride. > > > > > Um . . . why 16?? Why not 14?? > > Dave > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:43:14 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06829 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA16613; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:42:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223194234.RBJM656@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:42:34 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Ray" , "David Cross" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:44:19 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01be2eac$a1a04380$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19981223182448.24645.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Importance: Normal Nah! You weren't wrong. I can prove it. The next 19 or < day, you'll ride to work. Betcha! ;) Todd > > Last winter when I lived in Alabama I scornfully stated to cage pilots > that it's never too cold to ride. Damn was I wrong! 19 degrees when > I went to work at 0600 AM in the morning. > Ray > > > > > ---David Cross wrote: > > > > > if it is above 16 degrees F, I ride. > > > > > > > > Um . . . why 16?? Why not 14?? > > > > Dave > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:44:26 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06847 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 235; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:42:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3681480F.533C3D13@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:44:15 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous References: <002501be2e9c$1eba8a30$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > But I gotta tell ya, my legs were almost numb by the time I got to work this > morning. Idiot me decided that layering was not necessary. Only thing on > the legs were my Draggin' Jeans..... Hey Todd, I gotta show you my fabricated windguards I've got on the Connie. Clear plastic sheets cut to fit that stick out on both sides of the fairing and block the wind from hitting the knees and thighs. Not adjustable, but what do you want for a few bucks? :) I lose points big time in the "chick magnet" category, but it makes commuting in my Dockers much more bearable. I know I should be wearing something more protective (and warmer!) than Dockers. But it does freak people out at work when I do ride in on chilly mornings. ;) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:45:26 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06924 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from viking.cris.com (viking [206.173.119.81]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id OAA22768; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:45:22 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by viking.cris.com (8.8.5) id OAA09220; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:45:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:45:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fuel valve In-Reply-To: <8c9384d2.36811e6f@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1. I've never owned a bike that had an off position on the petcock. 2. I reset my trip meter every time I fill up the bike so that I can calculate my mpg. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeDev#6074 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800F1 ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > 1. do you all turn the valve off at the end of a ride? I was used to the > VX800 which had no off position (just ON and reserve). > 2. do you estimate the fuel level by the odometer or do you run to the > reserve? > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:47:41 1998 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from oak.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06943 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11929 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:47:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:47:37 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: fuel valve In-Reply-To: <368146C0.430EF5F9@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm... STARAI -- My marauder has on, off and reserve, and I always turn my petcock off when I shut 'er down. -ph On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > 1. do you all turn the valve off at the end of a ride? I was used to the > > VX800 which had no off position (just ON and reserve). > > My Concours has On, Prime, and Reserve. It's (and yours) are > vacuum operated, so On is really Off unless the engine is running. :) > Prime is on all the time. > > > 2. do you estimate the fuel level by the odometer or do you run to the > > reserve? > > I used odometer mainly, reserve as a double-check, and the fuel > guage as live entertainment (actualy, it's not nearly so bad since > I "adjusted" it. :) > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:50:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07063 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26958 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10969 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 358; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:49:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3681498B.AB52D5A2@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:50:35 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on VZ800 References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661C7@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > 2 smokes are a different story. I've found a tach very necessary on a high > power 2 stroke sport bike Power doesn't ever drop off on them, eh? I'm gonna have to ride a two stroke someday - never have. Sounds like fun. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:51:16 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07074 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from viking.cris.com (viking [206.173.119.81]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA26290; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:51:11 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by viking.cris.com (8.8.5) id OAA09579; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:51:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:51:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ...just read the VZ800 owner's manual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1. I spray wd40 on a rag then grab the chain and spin the wheel by hand. 2. I've always found the shift points in the owners manual to be pretty silly. If you've had your bike for a while you wont need a tack to shift, it will become second nature. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeDev#6074 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800F1 ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > 1. chain maintenance...This is my first chain drive bike. It says lube every > 600 miles. For me, that's once a week...geez. Is the requirement to spray it > with WD-40? > 2. shifting speeds > 1-2 12 mph > 2-3 20 mph > 3-4 25 mph > Looks like you rip through the gears faster than I thought. There is no > blurring by this guidance. > > Any thoughts? > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:52:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07094 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26991 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11036 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:52:36 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WNFQa12099 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:50:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63ed171e.36814993@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:50:43 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Maps and Summit Point Times Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 1. Please offer suggestions on the best computer generated directions/maps/triptics. Most of the ones that I have found for free on the net seem to be about what you pay for them. Mayb I have not looked in the right place. Failing that what about purchased software? What have you used, what works etc. 2.Since I race a car at Summit Point I was wondering about comparative lap times with the bikes. I am not familiar with the bike classes so a sample os several would serve. My Toyota Corolla in Improved Touring will turn 1:35. Mostly stock engine(headers and carb) mild suspension mods, DOT radial tires. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:53:29 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07114 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AA35C5F024E; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:53:25 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981223143943.0293a230@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:41:55 -0500 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: bike starting.. In-Reply-To: <199812231921.OAA06406@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:56 PM 12/23/98 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >I've now seen a couple references to starting bikes on cold mornings, and >how 'easy' or 'hard' it was... Maybe I've just been lucky, maybe there's >something going on here.. but I've never had a problem starting a bike, warm >or cold, unless it had some sort of problem... >I ride the bike daily, it's an 87 VFR700, Mobil 1 15-50 oil that has about >3k miles on it, no battery charger, 89 octane gas... it lives in a garage, >but it's not heated or insulated or anything (unless I go crank up the >kerosene heater)... am I lucky, or is there something else I'm just doing >right? You're doing everything right. Daily riding charges the battery (I assume the charging system can handle your total electrical load), synthetic oil makes it easier for the starter to turn the engine on a cold morning, and the engine's in tune -- that's the way things are supposed to work. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:55:01 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07125 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:55:00 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id GMKVa22658; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:51:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <21cac95b.368149ac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:51:08 EST To: Turnip@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/23/98 2:39:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, Turnip@XXXXXX writes: << Don't all the Moto Guzzi sportbikes use a shaft drive? >> The V-Twins do, and I understand they were relatively successful in Twins racing years ago in the U.S. During the last 35-40 years internationally they have not been very competitive except for endurance racing. It should be said that in Italy and probably Europe, Guzzis are considered touring or police bikes. The sportiest ones are really not that sporty except in looks, they attract a different clientel than Ducati, Aprilia, Laverda, MV, Bimota. They generally compete with BMW. Prior to that they were extremely competive in the 500 cc GP class with, among others, the Guzzi V-8 (8 cylinder) racer as well as in other classes, but those bikes had chain drives. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:55:15 1998 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07137 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:55:14 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VTAIa26317; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:50:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9fa3254d.3681496b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:50:03 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bike starting.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 that's exactly what I do only instead of 3 times it's more like 20 on a good cold day - and of course today it was more like 50 and the darn thing still wouldn't fire up all the way.... In a message dated 12/23/98 2:28:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Full choke, and the starter motor turns over about 3 times before my bike fires.. at which time I sit down, wait for my butt to get used to the cold seat, and ride off - choke to full-off by the end of my driveway.. >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 14:55:40 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07147 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 53; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:54:00 -0500 Message-ID: <36814AB4.7C523BA2@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:55:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shaft drive question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > I don't want to start a flame war but I think that it's a question of degree. > Sure a very good rider acustomed to a 1000 lb. shaft drive bike can corner > adequately even well, but to say that this rider can keep up with a rider with > exactly the same skills on a 400 lb. sport-bike is just not rational. OK, if someone offers me a ride on a 400 lb sport-bike, I'll dutifully report back here my impressions on how it handles relative to the luxo-barge Connie! And I'll do my best to wipe the grin off my face from all the fun I'll be having. ;) Actually, I'd probably still be faster on my bike, I've got this little hangup about wiping out on somebody else's pride-and-joy. Still sounds like a fun test. Any takers? Huh, huh? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:00:04 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07282 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 351; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:58:24 -0500 Message-ID: <36814BBF.CC6EB8B7@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:59:59 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shaft drive question References: <000d01be2e86$f3c85380$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > I think the bigger considerations while > designing a "corner carving" sport bike are total curb weight and power to > the back wheel. A shafty robs power and adds weight. Now I've heard from a few different sources that weight high up on the bike makes it more responsive in cornering at speed. This is one of the reasons the top heavy Concours does surprisingly well (but it's still outclassed by true sportbikes) in the twisties. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:00:58 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07340 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from wowbager (ppp4.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.4]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA02755 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:00:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981223145835.006ae698@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:58:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Subject: Re: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous In-Reply-To: <36812412.C4491B8A@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, My name is Mike and I also drove today. I must confess it was nice to drink coffe while commuting. Is there any hope for me? Mike B 95 Ford Escort :-( At 12:10 PM 12/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, my name is Dale, >and I drove my cage today. :( > >Ice and freezing rain forecasts >for this afternoon scared me into >this cowardly act. I'm so ashamed. :) > >Ride safe, those of you braver than I. > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:05:44 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07491 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27214 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:05:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11367 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:05:36 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WPAYa22658 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:03:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8be99b99.36814c7d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:03:09 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bike starting.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 The TL is rather difficult to start on cold mornings. Usually dies twice before firing up. To make things worse, the battery (Yuasa..pretty top of the line from what I hear) doesnt last overnight too often if it drops below freezing. To combat this I got a little cheapy type battery tender (not the brand name). It has two terminals that connect to the battery terminals and a plug that hangs out from under the subframe. Then you plug a transformer box (power pack, whatever) into a wall socket and plug it up to the other plug. Its a very slow charge (less than 1 I think but not sure) so overcharging is tough. As for starting, I dont bother with the choke, I just hit the run switch, wait about 30 seconds (pressurize the fuel system and injectors) then start her. I leave the throttle open a tad and she usually starts. Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:07:43 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07507 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08279 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:07:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:07:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Maps and Summit Point Times In-Reply-To: <63ed171e.36814993@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII First, the address for the mailing list is now dc-cycles@XXXXXX. I'm not sure that Harry will be able to keep the dc-cycles@XXXXXX address alive for much longer. It'd be a good idea to go ahead and change over to the new address. For routing/map software I really like Street Atlas USA 6.0. I've been using Street Atlas since version 4 and the current one has the best routing I've seen. They've also got the most streets (some of the fun roads won't show up in inferior mapping products). You can set start and finish and then pick particular roads you'd like to use (the software calls these VIAS). Highly recommended. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:08:32 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07543 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 137; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:06:52 -0500 Message-ID: <36814DBA.D9678FEE@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:08:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Standards References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > > On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > > I think I just described > > Michael Jordan's GSX1100G to a 'T'. :) > > Now *THAT* is what I'm talking > > about. Too bad they don't make 'em anymore. Sniff! :( > > Your fault Horkster.You didn't buy one. In my defense, I didn't start riding on the street (gasp!) until the summer of '96. By then, all the cool bike models had been discontinued. Darn it! Horkster, who still wonders if he should have bought a nice used Suzuki GSX1100G instead of the Concours.... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:09:39 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07555 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:09:36 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VHNYa23947; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:05:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2d43ad9d.36814d18@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:05:44 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bike starting.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I seem to need the choke t start the bike even in warm weather. Am I doing something wrong? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:11:57 1998 Return-Path: hdknight@XXXXXX Received: from bc.mountain.net (root@XXXXXX [198.77.1.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07579 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (AM4-22.Martinsburg-WV.Mountain.Net [198.77.15.171] (may be forged)) by bc.mountain.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA12168; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:11:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001c01be2eb0$70bcdd60$ab0f4dc6@oemcomputer> From: "Ken" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:11:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Kirk,=20 I understand the arthritis problem, I have it in both wrists, the = consequence of some breaks, and surgery that only worked so,so, I found = that the Olympia gel gloves together with thick padded grips worked = miracles on the hand/wrist discomfort. I had the Polar hands or similar = back in State College PA in the early eighties when a bike was my only = transportation, (along with one of those huge sail like windscreens that = were around back then), but dont really want to go that route now. The = bike this time of year is more for enjoyment than anything else, the = roads up here most winters are less than great. Last year was a = wonderful exception.;). I know mittens are the best, but dont really = want o go that rout either. Just trying to find who makes the = Heaviest(warmest) conventional styled gloves. at worst maybe I will = find some at the Ney York Show.=20 Ken HDKnight 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy >I've never had gloves that could keep my hands warm. So, I use polar >hands. These are big mitts that fit over the ends of the handlebars and >cover your controls and much of your forearm. I use my summer gloves = all >through winter and never have problems with cold hands. I've got small >hands and developing arthritis so the thin gloves are pretty much >essential for me - making the polar hands my only real option. I'm >actually thinking of adding heated grips to see if that eases some of = my >arthritis pains and not expressly to fight the cold. > >Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:13:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07679 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27403 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:13:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA11622 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:13:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AED4C6E024E; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:13:08 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981223151656.02942530@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:18:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: more on VZ800 In-Reply-To: <3681498B.AB52D5A2@tidalwave.net> References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661C7@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >> 2 smokes are a different story. I've found a tach very necessary on a high >> power 2 stroke sport bike > >At 02:50 PM 12/23/98 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Power doesn't ever drop off on them, eh? I'm gonna have to ride >a two stroke someday - never have. Sounds like fun. Power is in a (relatively) narrow RPM range, and comes on strongly when you get to that range. Going in and out of the power band makes control difficult and will stretch your arms. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:20:16 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07922 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:20:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08545 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:20:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:20:07 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Shaft drive question In-Reply-To: <36814AB4.7C523BA2@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > OK, if someone offers me a ride on a 400 lb sport-bike, I'll dutifully > report back here my impressions on how it handles relative to the > luxo-barge Connie! And I'll do my best to wipe the grin off my face > from all the fun I'll be having. ;) While not a "sportbike" in the literal sense I do have a sub 400 lb bike that handles really well. I wouldn't mind if you rode it but it's set-up for a smaller person (I'm about 170 lbs). Also, note that there are very few 400 lb sport bikes out there. Even the "light" R1 is well over 400 lbs (I've seen wet weights from 460 to 484 in magazine reviews, who knows what the bike actually weighs). This situation will change with the introduction of the F4, the R6, the SV, etc all of which will likely be sub 400 lbs full of gas. Does a Ninja 250 weigh more than 300 lbs? > Actually, I'd probably still be faster on my bike, I've got this > little hangup about wiping out on somebody else's pride-and-joy. I agree with that one. No one will baby someone else's bike more than me. Collin, on the other hand... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:26:05 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07975 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 312; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:24:26 -0500 Message-ID: <368151D8.230399B2@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:26:01 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous References: <3.0.1.32.19981223145835.006ae698@mail.dc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike wrote: > > Hi, My name is Mike and I also drove today. > I must confess it was nice to drink coffe while commuting. > Is there any hope for me? Sure, I think you can put hot beverages in those camel-bak thingies and still be able to drink on the bike! There, there, keep a stiff upper lip, now! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1995 Chrysler Concorde :( From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:26:13 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07978 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08662 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:26:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:26:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: 2 strokes Re: more on VZ800 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981223151656.02942530@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > >Power doesn't ever drop off on them, eh? I'm gonna have to ride > >a two stroke someday - never have. Sounds like fun. > > Power is in a (relatively) narrow RPM range, and comes on strongly when you > get to that range. Going in and out of the power band makes control > difficult and will stretch your arms. :-) I remember the sheer fear/joy combination as I discovered the thrill of the power band on my CR80R. You'd go from limp, weak power to wheelying like mad... In those days I had a subscription to Cycle magazine and read with glee all the dirt bike articles (street bikes sucked from what I could tell). I remember seeing mentions of this wondrous power band. Of course, being a kid with no one to correct my ideas, I thought a power band was a physical device. If you wanted lots of power you'd buy a narrow power band. If you wanted easily controlled power you'd buy a wider power band. I didn't have any money so I just stuck with the stock power band. If only it was that easy! Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:26:46 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07995 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from viking.cris.com (viking [206.173.119.81]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id PAA23687; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:26:42 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by viking.cris.com (8.8.5) id PAA11433; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:26:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:26:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: weather Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ooooooh, I see snow. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:38:08 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08274 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:38:06 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8VPAa12842; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:16:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:16:58 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: fuel valve Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/23/98 2:38:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << My Concours has On, Prime, and Reserve. It's (and yours) are vacuum operated, so On is really Off unless the engine is running. :) Prime is on all the time. >> My prior bike (VX800) was vacuum operated and had no off position. Why do you suppose it's there? My owners manual has a warning to turn it off when not riding....citing enfine damage. Seems unnecessary. How do you know the VZ800 is vacuum operated? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:39:38 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08289 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:39:37 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8VVDa18792; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:35:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6024a24d.3681540f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:35:27 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/23/98 3:07:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << Now I've heard from a few different sources that weight high up on the bike makes it more responsive in cornering at speed. >> I haven't heard that and it doesn't make much sense to me. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:42:59 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08368 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DW7AG2MA; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:42:31 EST To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Message-ID: <19981222.124729.5295.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <19981223181902.20068.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:42:31 EST On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:19:02 -0800 (PST) Ray writes: >Thats 757ml to you Collin! Apparently, Collin will never live down his metric ability. Good. ;-) JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:43:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08371 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27804 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:43:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12347 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DW7AG2JV; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:42:31 EST To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain tech.. Message-ID: <19981222.124728.5295.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <19981223175907.12241.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-9 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:42:31 EST On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:59:07 -0800 (PST) Ray writes: >>Why does JP8 stink on purpose? >> >So children and dogs don't drink it (cats can go ahead and drink up). >Ray You're gonna smoke a turd in purgatory for THAT comment, Captain Cat-hater! ;-) JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:43:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08407 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27815 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12364 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DW7AG2PQ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:42:31 EST To: McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maps and Summit Point Times Message-ID: <19981222.124729.5295.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <63ed171e.36814993@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-6,8-10 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:42:31 EST On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:50:43 EST McKeithen@XXXXXX writes: >2.Since I race a car at Summit Point I was wondering about comparative lap times >with the bikes. My Toyota Corolla in Improved Touring will turn 1:35. Mostly stock >engine(headers and carb) mild suspension mods, DOT radial tires. A survey of racers on staff here indicates lap times in the mid-1:20s on a variety of bikes. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:47:14 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08511 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A6CE25E024C; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:47:10 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981223155205.0294c510@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:53:22 -0500 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: 2 strokes Re: more on VZ800 In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19981223151656.02942530@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:26 PM 12/23/98 , Kirk Roy wrote: >Of >course, being a kid with no one to correct my ideas, I thought a power >band was a physical device. If you wanted lots of power you'd buy a narrow >power band. If you wanted easily controlled power you'd buy a wider power >band. I didn't have any money so I just stuck with the stock power band. >If only it was that easy! >Kirk Wonderful! It's like those airplanes with tailwinds go so much faster, so all airplanes should be equipped with them. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:47:24 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08521 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A6CD25E024C; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:47:09 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981223154832.02948d30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:51:23 -0500 To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands Cc: hdknight@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001c01be2eb0$70bcdd60$ab0f4dc6@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:11 PM 12/23/98 , Ken wrote: >I know mittens are the best, but dont really want o go that >rout either. Just trying to find who makes the Heaviest(warmest) >conventional styled gloves. at worst maybe I will find some at the Ney York >Show. >Ken I like my genuine Harley-Davidson Made in Taiwan leather gloves - very warm and very comfortable. Motorcycle Consumer News tested winter gloves one or two winters ago - look for the SECOND test, because for the first one they neglected to include the wind factor in their laboratory test (!!). Blocking the wind from your hands makes an enormous difference. Hippo Hands do this, but so do dirt bike hand protectors (also made for ATV's). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:47:34 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08533 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A6CF25E024C; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:47:11 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981223155329.029497c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:53:51 -0500 To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: weather In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:26 PM 12/23/98 , Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > > Ooooooh, I see snow. Don't keep us in suspenders ... where are you! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:50:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08617 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27913 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA12504 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:50:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981223205451.6729.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.213.54] by send204.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:54:51 PST Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:54:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Chain tech.. To: Bikes R Us Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Bikes R Us wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:59:07 -0800 (PST) Ray writes: > >>Why does JP8 stink on purpose? > >> > >So children and dogs don't drink it (cats can go ahead and drink up). > >Ray > > You're gonna smoke a turd in purgatory for THAT comment, Captain > Cat-hater! ;-) > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us I doubt it. God doesn't like cats either, or he would have made them dogs. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:53:18 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08665 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:53:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981223205337.14286.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.213.54] by send205.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:53:37 PST Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:53:37 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Shaft drive question To: Bikes R Us Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Bikes R Us wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:19:02 -0800 (PST) Ray writes: > > >Thats 757ml to you Collin! > > Apparently, Collin will never live down his metric ability. > > Good. > > ;-) > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > > It's my job to make sure he never does. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:56:10 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08707 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:56:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981223205614.15356.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.213.54] by send205.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:56:14 PST Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:56:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: weather To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Where are you? There isn't any in Annapolis yet, and there wasn't in Glen Burnie a couple hours ago. I remember that stuff, I saw it once in Louisiana in March 1992 and before that in Japan in 1984. Ray ---"Hugh A. Caldwell" wrote: > > > Ooooooh, I see snow. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 15:56:46 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08717 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:56:39 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12934; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:55:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812232055.PAA12934@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: weather To: Turnip@XXXXXX (Hugh A. Caldwell) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:55:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Hugh A. Caldwell" at Dec 23, 98 03:26:41 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > > Ooooooh, I see snow. > GREAT !!!! I am leaving tomorrow for 3 days of skiing... > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 16:00:44 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08879 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA00380; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:00:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981223210007.SJWG656@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:00:07 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , Subject: RE: weather Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:01:51 -0500 Message-ID: <003601be2eb7$76a61000$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Where are you? > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh A. Caldwell [mailto:Turnip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 3:27 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: weather > > > > Ooooooh, I see snow. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 16:11:37 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09047 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zsvZ5-0001AI-01; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:11:32 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:09:36 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DD00190@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "Hugh A. Caldwell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: weather Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:08:15 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I just did too, in NW DC. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 3:54 PM > To: Hugh A. Caldwell; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: weather > > At 03:26 PM 12/23/98 , Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > > > > Ooooooh, I see snow. > > > Don't keep us in suspenders ... where are you! > > Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 16:16:31 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09213 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA00508; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:16:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199812232116.QAA00508@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Todd Peer" Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:15:40 -0500 Subject: RE: weather CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <003601be2eb7$76a61000$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 23 Dec 98, at 16:01, Todd Peer wrote: > Where are you? There is a light dusting of snow sticking to cars and grassy areas in Herndon. And, there is more coming down! I'm surprised my coworkers haven't abandoned ship yet! :-) White Christmas? Bah Humbug! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 16:17:09 1998 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09227 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zsveA-0001Dc-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:16:46 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05278 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:20:35 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED722@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Its snowing in Bethesda *NT* Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:20:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain NT = No Text From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 16:18:25 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09243 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:18:22 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA20209; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:19:54 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma019745; Wed, 23 Dec 98 16:18:32 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F4F004X1SHYC2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566E3.00747CEB ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:12:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:59:20 -0500 Subject: Re: 2 strokes Re: more on VZ800 To: Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <852566E3.00731AB9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL My "first" was a Suzuki RM125. I distinctly remember that when I rolled on the throttle, and it hit the power band, it kept pushing me back causing me to roll on the throttle more, and more, and more ... --chris To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: From: Kirk Roy Date: 12/23/98 08:26:06 PM GMT Subject: 2 strokes Re: more on VZ800 On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > >Power doesn't ever drop off on them, eh? I'm gonna have to ride > >a two stroke someday - never have. Sounds like fun. > > Power is in a (relatively) narrow RPM range, and comes on strongly when you > get to that range. Going in and out of the power band makes control > difficult and will stretch your arms. :-) I remember the sheer fear/joy combination as I discovered the thrill of the power band on my CR80R. --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 16:21:56 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09348 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:21:54 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9TXKa18349; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:19:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6a664ea1.36815e7a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:19:54 EST To: ph@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: fuel valve Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/23/98 2:54:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, ph@XXXXXX writes: << Hmm... STARAI -- My marauder has on, off and reserve, and I always turn my petcock off when I shut 'er down. >> I didn't need to do that on the VX800. Why on the newer model? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 16:28:15 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09450 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01573; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:28:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199812232128.QAA01573@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: David Cross Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:27:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Its snowing in Bethesda *NT* CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED722@bdanet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 23 Dec 98, at 16:20, David Cross wrote: > NT = No Text This message is left intentionally blank? :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 16:40:22 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09739 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:40:20 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA13113; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:38:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812232138.QAA13113@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: weather To: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:38:49 -0500 (EST) Cc: Turnip@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981223155329.029497c0@mail.toward.com> from "Chris Norloff" at Dec 23, 98 03:53:51 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > At 03:26 PM 12/23/98 , Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > > > > Ooooooh, I see snow. > > > Don't keep us in suspenders ... where are you! > > Chris Norloff > > > I am in Ashburn. Ground is white already. ( 5 miles east of Leesburg, on Greenway.) _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 16:50:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09974 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28764 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13927 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:46:46 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: fuel valve Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:52:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be2ebe$804322e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <8c9384d2.36811e6f@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal If there is an 'off' position, use it. I use both the odometer and the fuel gauge on bikes with a gauge. On a bike without a gauge, I go solely by the odometer. If I get as low as reserve, I IMMEDIATELY find a gas station. It's just safer that way. BTW, anybody know what might make it seem as if switching to reserve does nothing? Is there a tube on the petcock that might have fallen off inside the tank? Ran out of gas once on the wing, switched to reserve, and got nothing. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: STARAI@XXXXXX [mailto:STARAI@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 11:47 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: fuel valve > > > 1. do you all turn the valve off at the end of a ride? I was used to the > VX800 which had no off position (just ON and reserve). > 2. do you estimate the fuel level by the odometer or do you run to the > reserve? > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 16:53:59 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09989 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:41:49 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Jay St. Peter" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Financing Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:47:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be2ebd$cf2eccc0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A842912AA@machine01.intelx.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Valley National. It's a bank owned by State Farm. Around 11%, I think. Other than that... It's tough to get good financing on bikes unless it's a special deal for a particular model. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 16:54:02 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09991 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:40:20 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Shaft drive question Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:45:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be2ebd$99b93120$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661C6@MSCEX> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > So, yeah, I wouldn't mind one... Say..what does that new BMW > sport bike use > anyhow?? If any of the modern commonly imported bikes would try it, I'm > guessing BMW might someday... Shaft drive, six speed. Not sure what the ratios are. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 16:54:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10008 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28793 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13983 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:50:36 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: ...just read the VZ800 owner's manual Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:56:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01be2ebf$092c9320$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > 1. chain maintenance...This is my first chain drive bike. It > says lube every > 600 miles. For me, that's once a week...jeez. Is the > requirement to spray it > with WD-40? While no expert at chains, from what I've read (and what my brother and I do with my dad's bike) is to spray with PJ-1 chain lube after every ride. It's cheap compared to a chain. And since we do it at the end of the day, it has plenty of time to dry, eliminating 'sling'. > 2. shifting speeds > 1-2 12 mph > 2-3 20 mph > 3-4 25 mph > Looks like you rip through the gears faster than I thought. There is no > blurring by this guidance. > > Any thoughts? Sounds way low, and it sounds like they are encouraging you to short shift for two reasons. First, they don't want you to over-rev it and throw a rod and have a warranty claim. Second, they don't want you to get in over your head and have the bike called dangerous because you did something stupid by pushing it too hard. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 16:55:40 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10041 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zswFk-0005Id-00; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:55:37 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:53:38 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DD00191@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'zbig@XXXXXX'" , cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: Turnip@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: weather Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:52:16 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Be careful out there, I just got a call from Tom and it's sleeting in Springfield & very slippery in the cage. - Jeannette > > > > > > > > > I am in Ashburn. Ground is white already. > ( 5 miles east of Leesburg, on Greenway.) > > _zjt > -- > ******************************************************************** > Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX > Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 17:02:39 1998 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10218 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA24043 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:05:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199812232305.SAA24043@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:03:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Perplexing problem Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Aloha All: Thanks to everyone for all their responses to my two questions. Regarding The FZR 400, It does have a fan built in and I know it works, but apparently not well enough to cool'er down.... The guy I bought it from ( the same one who told me the problem was the water pump ) was nice enough to send me a brand spank'in new one to replace my existing one. Since I already have that in hand, i'm going to just go ahead and replace it... As for the thermostat, I am also going to check it out to see if it is operating correctly. It will help me sleep better at night and ride faster by day... So in recap: 1) I should give the piece of crap to Jon and give him two bottles of premium beer for his troubles... 2) Check out the thermostat.. 3) Replace the water pump ( since I have one already..) 4) make sure there aren't any air bubbles in the radiator when I fill it up with coolant.. Any thing else? ( I think I may be asking for trouble from some of you...) Cheers, -John Newman From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 17:04:58 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10228 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA10581 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:04:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:04:52 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: fuel valve In-Reply-To: <000a01be2ebe$804322e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > If there is an 'off' position, use it. If there is an 'off' position and your manual says to use it, use it. Many times the off position is just there to shut off the tank when you want to remove it from the bike. I've got an off position and the manual specifically states that it's unnecessary to use it in the fashion described above. The key thing to do is to read your manual and know your bike. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 17:06:33 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10320 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:02:55 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: bike starting.. Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:08:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01be2ec0$c1c40480$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <2d43ad9d.36814d18@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal What is 'warm'? On the Kawi, I need half choke whenever it's less than 90 degrees. 80-90, I can shut it off thirty seconds after firing. Colder than that, and it may take two minutes or so. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 17:11:16 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10364 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:12:56 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:12:33 -0500 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup@XXXXXX Subject: Last message for a while Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Wel everyone, this is it. I'm unsubbing from the list(s) until I get my = new work e-mail. I hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday. Ride safe. Scooter (Thar's snow in them thar hills. :-) ) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 17:13:07 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10445 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:09:29 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "John Newman" , Subject: RE: Perplexing problem Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:14:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001001be2ec1$ac989840$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <199812232305.SAA24043@bmdo.mcri.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > 1) I should give the piece of crap to Jon and give him two bottles > of premium beer for his troubles... > 2) Check out the thermostat.. > 3) Replace the water pump ( since I have one already..) > 4) make sure there aren't any air bubbles in the radiator when I fill > it up with coolant.. > > Any thing else? > ( I think I may be asking for trouble from some of > you...) Yeah, I'll take the POS off your hands, and I'll give Jon the beer also. Make sure there is antifreeze in the radiator. And make sure you use a silicate free one (like Hondaline. Supposedly the GM Dexcool is silicate free, but Honda definitely is). The silicates can shred the seals in the water pump. Make sure the radiator doesn't have too many bent fins, or is obstructed. On such a small radiator (compared to a car) it won't take more than a few leaves or a few bent fins to make a big difference in cooling. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 17:14:36 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10456 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:14:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981223221651.6890.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.193.51] by send206.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:16:51 PST Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:16:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Perplexing problem To: John Newman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii faster by day ---John Newman wrote: > > Aloha All: > > Thanks to everyone for all their responses to my two questions. > > Regarding The FZR 400, It does have a fan built in and I know it > > So in recap: > > 1) I should give the piece of crap to Jon and give him two bottles > of premium beer for his troubles... > 2 > -John Newman No, but you're close. Jon will take the bike off your hands for free, and I'll take the engine from him if he gives me two bottles of beer. Domestic is okay. Ray > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 17:17:21 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10598 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:13:38 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: fuel valve Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:19:06 -0500 Message-ID: <001101be2ec2$41078ea0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I've got an off position and the manual specifically states that it's > unnecessary to use it in the fashion described above. The key thing to do > is to read your manual and know your bike. I'd take issue with this (not about reading the manual, but doing EXACTLY what they say). It doesn't hurt to turn the petcock off. It can hurt to crank the engine if the cylinder is full of gas. (Yeah, yeah, it depends on carb configuration, placement of the intake ports, and lots of stuff) Not disagreeing with your point about reading the manual. Not by a long shot. But I'm not sure what's to be gained by leaving the petcock on (even if it is a vacuum petcock with an 'off' position. I like the security of having it 'off') ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 17:51:49 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.cw.net (pm04sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11225 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:51:48 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr26-dialup7.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.71]) by PM04SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33508) with SMTP id <0F4F00KQYWTC9S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:51:15 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:52:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Perplexing problem To: dc-cycles Message-id: <018601be2ec6$e0e8ad60$474937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >I told John Newman when he came in here that FZR400s were really cool and >here you all are telling him what scrap piles they really are. Jerks! Oh >well... I told him I'd ALWAYS wanted one and made goo-goo eyes at his >bike and that didn't work, so good luck trying it your way. ;-) >JohnDavid@Bikes R Us I see you're trying to pry his hands off his bike with the nice approach. Hmm, doesn't look like he's going for either. 8^) Smart guy. Johnny, hang on to that 400 with a death grip. As you can see, there are quite a few people who wouldn't mind having what you have...... Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 17:53:28 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11235 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s19.wizard.net (tc1-s19.wizard.net [206.161.15.49]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07992 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:53:38 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: weather Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:01:10 -0500 Message-ID: <368475e5.605290@smtp.wizard.net> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DD00191@badge.tuckerflyer.com> In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DD00191@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:52:16 -0500, "O'Brien, Jeannette" wrote: >Be careful out there, I just got a call from Tom and it's sleeting in >Springfield & very slippery in the cage. Ditto! I took me more than 45 minutes to get from Herndon to Sterling (6 miles!), and I passed several accidents. There are definitely some icy spots... if it was just snow it'd be okay, but the sleet and freezing rain is bad news. Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 18:04:43 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11395 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:04:42 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr26-dialup7.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.71]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F4F00600XESLW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:04:08 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:05:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <019e01be2ec8$adbaf400$474937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >I've never had gloves that could keep my hands warm. So, I use polar >hands. These are big mitts that fit over the ends of the handlebars and >cover your controls and much of your forearm. >Kirk Hey, the first and only time I've seen these is on my friends(off list) bike. Wow, they get down right hot! He has a couple hoses rigged up to the mitts and the back of the radiator. He told me he has to actually take his hands out sometimes to cool them off. I should have asked for them for Christmas...... Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 18:13:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11616 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA29631 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15555 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:13:19 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr26-dialup7.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.71]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33510) with SMTP id <0F4F00ABQXT974@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:12:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:13:41 -0500 Subject: Re: more on VZ800 To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01a301be2ec9$e3b13be0$474937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Power doesn't ever drop off on them, eh? I'm gonna have to ride >a two stroke someday - never have. Sounds like fun. >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Never ridden a 2 stroker? This is a MUST experience, IMO. Can't imagine getting more of a rush than hitting the power band on a 2 stroke. I grew up riding 2 stroke dirt bikes, so riding a 4 stroke was foreign to me until I started riding streetbikes. Nothing compares to the sound, kick, and rush. It's not for the faint of heart. It's like a switch, power on, power off. Too bad I got rid of my CR125 last year or I'd let you take it for a roost. Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 18:22:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11793 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA29712 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15720 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-114.s114.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.114]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id SAA12995; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:17:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3681794F.C252BA83@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:14:23 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maps and Summit Point Times References: <63ed171e.36814993@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just like the cars, it varies widely on the bike running. Of the modern 600 cc or bigger sportbikes though, mid 20's is average for amateurs, low 20's to high teens for experts. The track record is held by a 97GSXR750 in Superstock trim (pipe and jet kit only) at 1:16.84!! My best lap time as a first year racer (3.5 weekends) is 1:21.49. Average lap times for me are now in the low 22's. My bike is 100% stock except for tires and a steering damper. I found the limiting factor was not hp, but rather the stock suspension... Anyone want to donate a good Fox, Penske, Ohlins, or Bitubo shock to team DC-Cycles??? :) Collin McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > 2.Since I race a car at Summit Point I was wondering about comparative lap > times with the bikes. I am not familiar with the bike classes so a sample os > several would serve. > My Toyota Corolla in Improved Touring will turn 1:35. Mostly stock > engine(headers and carb) mild suspension mods, DOT radial tires. > > Bob McKeithen -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 18:32:26 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11958 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:32:24 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr26-dialup7.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.71]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F4F00NBMYP08S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:31:52 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:32:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Shaft drive question To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01c401be2ecc$8d132200$474937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >OK, if someone offers me a ride on a 400 lb sport-bike, I'll dutifully >report back here my impressions on how it handles relative to the >luxo-barge Connie! And I'll do my best to wipe the grin off my face >from all the fun I'll be having. ;) > >Actually, I'd probably still be faster on my bike, I've got this >little hangup about wiping out on somebody else's pride-and-joy. >Still sounds like a fun test. Any takers? Huh, huh? :) >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) You're free to ride mine. It's not 400lbs, but about 420-30lbs with fuel. Probably doesn't handle as well as Kirk's Hawk(depending on who you ask), but it has good ground clearance, sticky tires, flicks very easy and has enough power to slide the rear around if you so dare. You might even feel somewhat at home on it right now, I don't have a windshield or fairings on it. Maybe next ride, we can play Chinese fire drill and have some fun on other peoples bikes(except Collin's Maxim). 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 18:32:30 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11961 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-114.s114.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.114]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id SAA21040; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:31:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36817CBB.9B1CF681@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:28:59 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Shaft drive question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey!!! I WAS being careful... At least I was thoughtful enough to throw my body underneath the bike as we slid along to protect it as much as possible ;-) BTW, how did that D207GP feel on the front?? Kirk Roy wrote: > I agree with that one. No one will baby someone else's bike more than me. > Collin, on the other hand... :) > > Kirk -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 18:36:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12052 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA29825 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15934 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-114.s114.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.114]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id SAA23388 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:36:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36817DCB.A15B103A@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:33:31 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on VZ800 References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661C7@MSCEX> <4.1.19981223151656.02942530@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stretch your arms can be an understatement... On any of the 2 stroke race bikes (dirt) I had, they would raise the front wheel near vertical, spin the rear, and continue accelerating, in pretty much any gear.... My old KX500 looked pretty freaking cool at a 45 degree angle at 90mph!! Most of the two strokes I've been on haven't had rev limiters... Well, actually, if you over rev it, you can cause the reed valves to flutter and it has a similar effect, but generally you can pretty much grenade an engine before you even know what hit you... Collin (seized motors suck!!) Chris Norloff wrote: > > >Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > >At 02:50 PM 12/23/98 , Dale Horstman wrote: > >Power doesn't ever drop off on them, eh? I'm gonna have to ride > >a two stroke someday - never have. Sounds like fun. > > Power is in a (relatively) narrow RPM range, and comes on strongly when you > get to that range. Going in and out of the power band makes control > difficult and will stretch your arms. :-) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 18:37:53 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12062 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-114.s114.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.114]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id SAA23947; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:37:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36817E07.685191B9@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:34:31 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray CC: Boiade@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shaft drive question References: <19981223181902.20068.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *GROAN* I will never live that down it seems... :) CT Ray wrote: > > a > > Hmmmm, I think a few people on this list would have to take the 5th? > on this, > > Thats 757ml to you Collin! > Ray From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 18:40:51 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12075 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:40:50 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr26-dialup7.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.71]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33510) with SMTP id <0F4F0021SZ315W@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:40:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:41:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Perplexing problem To: John Newman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01c901be2ecd$ba10f740$474937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >>>>>>>>>>>> So in recap: 1) I should give the piece of crap to Jon and give him two bottles of premium beer for his troubles... 2) Check out the thermostat.. 3) Replace the water pump ( since I have one already..) 4) make sure there aren't any air bubbles in the radiator when I fill it up with coolant.. Any thing else? ( I think I may be asking for trouble from some of you...) Cheers, -John Newman >>>>>>>>>> Hmm, I get the rolling chassis and Ray gives me a couple beers for the engine 8^) Sounds like you have a good plan, but since you are going to do the water pump, go ahead and change the thermostat too. New pump, thermostat(with gasket), fresh coolant(silicate free) and no air bubbles should set you straight. If you want a helping hand or need tools/rear stand or whatever, let me know. Of course I'll have to "test ride" your bike for my time...... 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 18:46:17 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12276 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-114.s114.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.114]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id SAA28363; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:45:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36817FF1.11F67A22@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:42:41 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STARAI@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shaft drive question References: <6bd04ecf.36810c6f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Under the advisement of counsel, I choose to invoke my 5th ammendment right to not answer that question on the grounds that I might incriminate myself.... (OK, so I was stuck in a hospital bed for 10 days during the Oliver North/Iran-Contra trial...not a darn thing else on TV ) Actually, I save triple digits for the track. I typically set the speedo around 70 on the back roads and keep it close to that even through the corners...Besides, I'm not sure my current street ride could even get to 100 :) Collin STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > I am wondering for what kind of riding would you see a difference? Do you go > 100mph down winding roads? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 18:59:27 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12471 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA28989 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:58:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from todd ([166.44.167.24]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981223235833.NPDS21813@todd> for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:58:33 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Crash Defying! Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:55:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be2ecf$aff17ee0$18a72ca6@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Ha HAa! In your FACE slick pavement! Yep! I can say that now that I'm snug and warm at home. Left Pentagon City at the first sight of flakes. Figured it'd be a breeze, I'd stop by the vid-rental and cruise home...D'oh! Slush. Up the ramp to the HOV lanes and slick packed flakes...pucker. Alright. This is cool. I just put the flashers on and go just a bit slower toward home (f-the vids tonight). By the time I reached Seminary road (still a good 10 miles from home) the flakes gave way to freezing rain! NOOooooooo! I don't Want to ride on ice :-| (Thinking to myself, "sorry for busting Dale Horstmans chops about not riding today." "Wish I had my cage.":() Slow going and oh yeah, it was slick. Lost the front end on two occassions giving me a reason to chastise myself to "RELAX FOR CRAP SAKE!" Doesn't do any good to tense up....can't feel the road. Boot dragging to test for ice. Yep! There's ice down there 8-0 Cages moving slow and me hoping their heat melts some of the crap on the road. From Edsall to the I495/95/395 quagmire it's a little better, but the cagers don't trust it. Fine by me. Better safe than sorry. Passed the exit to Keene Mill and...what's this!? A beemer passes by with a wave. Alright! I'm not the only idiot on earth...WoooHooo! Gliding up the ramp to the FFax Co Pkwy...slush. At the top (the overpass), ice. Great :( Nothing to do but keep going. That by the way is the ticket folks. Just like in a car, do not slow or stop or you end up spinning, or in our case going down to say Hi to Mr. Tarmac. Down the parkway crossing two more, "Warning, Bridges Freeze Before Roadway". T'is true. Climbing a hill over one and the cagers in front are crawling to a stop...NOOOoooo...Nohohoho..Please don't stop now. The little Toyota truck is now fish-tailing and I'm looking for an escape. The Shoulder? Could be, though it's bound to be more icy. The Toyota finally gets straight and none too soon. I'm doing around 2mph as the back tire touches tarmac. Whew. >From here life is fairly uneventful. I get home, pull into the garage and begin to laugh at my windshield and helmet and Jacket. All have frozen rain stuck on :) I am shaking from nerves and cold, but I am happy :)) Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 19:00:16 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12562 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:00:15 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TWDUa26319; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:59:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:59:37 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Hospitalized from a motorcycle wreck? I can't imagine how far you guys push the envelope. Are you talking about the highway (like I-95) or a race track? Seems like a newbie should stay clear. In a message dated 12/23/98 6:46:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: << Under the advisement of counsel, I choose to invoke my 5th ammendment right to not answer that question on the grounds that I might incriminate myself.... (OK, so I was stuck in a hospital bed for 10 days during the Oliver North/Iran-Contra trial...not a darn thing else on TV ) Actually, I save triple digits for the track. I typically set the speedo around 70 on the back roads and keep it close to that even through the corners...Besides, I'm not sure my current street ride could even get to 100 :) Collin >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 19:12:39 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12750 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-114.s114.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.114]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id TAA12810; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:12:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36818634.B50BF8D8@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:09:24 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STARAI@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: high speed riding and crashing... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NO No NO.. I was in the hospital at the time for a fireworks related accident (I was a bystander and ended up with a massive 3rd degree burn.. got some neat skin graft scars to show though :)) I was just referring to Fred's comment about pleading the 5th :) For those that remember, the Oliver North trial went on for about a month or so, and during the daytime it was all that was on, every single channel it seemed.... And all he ever said was "I plead the 5th" in more elaborate terms...(and if we want to talk scars, I have neat bone graft scars on the other leg ;-)) Newbies are always welcome on rides that I lead. We usually have an assortment of rider skills show up and if it's a larger group, we split into a fast and slow group. However, only you know your limits, and it's your responsibility to stay within them when you ride...We'll never let you get lost though.. we always wait at any turn for everyone to catch up.... well, 99% of the time.... (and Anita will be happy to remind me of that 1% that i oopsed when we had 38 bikes show up for a ride!!) My last bike crash (in years) was in Turn 5 out at the track... mild low side (about 50mph..) slid into the infield.. got up bike was ok, i was ok, re-entered the race and finished halfway decent... the crash actually kind of knocked my senses back in line.. I was riding stupid before that...(no comments from the net turd or any of the other peanut gallery) S.B. errr, I mean Collin (inside joke) STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hospitalized from a motorcycle wreck? I can't imagine how far you guys push > the envelope. Are you talking about the highway (like I-95) or a race track? > Seems like a newbie should stay clear. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 20:08:55 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA13621 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:08:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981224010919.10161.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.193.187] by send203.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:09:19 PST Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:09:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Shaft drive question To: "Collin T. Fagan \(cfagan@XXXXXX\)" Cc: Boiade@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, give some people 2.54 centimeters and they take 1.6 kilometers. ---"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: > > *GROAN* I will never live that down it seems... :) > CT > > Ray wrote: > > > > a > > > Hmmmm, I think a few people on this list would have to take the 5th? > > on this, > > > > Thats 757ml to you Collin! > > Ray > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 20:10:55 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA13634 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:10:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981224011534.9498.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.193.187] by send202.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:15:34 PST Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:15:34 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Shaft drive question To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My duckling weighs in that range, if you want to take it for a ride after I get the shocks back on (going to be rebuilt by Cosmopolitan). Ray ---dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: > > >OK, if someone offers me a ride on a 400 lb sport-bike, I'll dutifully > >report back here my impressions on how it handles relative to the > >luxo-barge Connie! And I'll do my best to wipe the grin off my face > >from all the fun I'll be having. ;) > > > >Actually, I'd probably still be faster on my bike, I've got this > >little hangup about wiping out on somebody else's pride-and-joy. > >Still sounds like a fun test. Any takers? Huh, huh? :) > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > > You're free to ride mine. It's not 400lbs, but about 420-30lbs with fuel. > Probably doesn't handle as well as Kirk's Hawk(depending on who you ask), > but it has good ground clearance, sticky tires, flicks very easy and has > enough power to slide the rear around if you so dare. You might even feel > somewhat at home on it right now, I don't have a windshield or fairings on > it. Maybe next ride, we can play Chinese fire drill and have some fun on > other peoples bikes(except Collin's Maxim). 8^) > > Jon > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 20:13:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13710 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA00825 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA17436 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:13:28 -0500 (EST) From: LungHD@XXXXXX Received: from LungHD@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WOFQa23947; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:12:48 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6fd73afa.36819510@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:12:48 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Draggin' Jeans - Was: Ice Chickens Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/23/98 12:50:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > Only thing on > the legs were my Draggin' Jeans.....Brrrr 23 degrees F at avgspeed of > 65mph...windchill of roughly -17.5 degrees F. > > Todd > Hey Todd- You're the first person I've heard of that actually has a pair of those Draggin' Jeans. Are they reasonably comfortable and is the kevlar noticable to the wearer? Cheapest I've seen them is at $80 pair. Were they worth it? Lung (Ice Chickens... make a great punker band name.) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 20:14:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13721 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA00831 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA17440 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:13:55 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QCPQa18787; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:12:36 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:12:36 EST To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more on VZ800 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/23/98 6:18:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << Never ridden a 2 stroker? This is a MUST experience, IMO >> I raced with an H-1 Kawasaki at the same time that I raced a Commando (I didn't ride both bikes at once) we are talking 71-73. The H-1 was a bear and I had much slower times with the H-1 notwihstanding about 20 more hp with equivalent weight. In fact when I put chambers on the H-1 I lost a second or two on a 2 minute course. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 20:17:35 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13798 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:17:34 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TRJEa20545; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:16:45 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <3a269d71.368195fd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:16:45 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX, STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/23/98 6:52:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: << Actually, I save triple digits for the track. I typically set the speedo around 70 on the back roads and keep it close to that even through the corners... >> Well, to keep up safely I do 100-120 after the corners you take at 70 and i take at 50. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 21:37:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15064 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA01593 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18681 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:37:45 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr9-dialup10.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.69.10]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F4G00AFC79YU9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:37:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:38:06 -0500 Subject: Re: more on VZ800 To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003301be2ee6$720f1760$0a4537a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >>>>>>>> I raced with an H-1 Kawasaki at the same time that I raced a Commando (I didn't ride both bikes at once) we are talking 71-73. The H-1 was a bear and I had much slower times with the H-1 notwihstanding about 20 more hp with equivalent weight. In fact when I put chambers on the H-1 I lost a second or two on a 2 minute course. Ciao, fred >>>>>>>>> Yeah, but I bet the H-1 was more of a "thrill" when you wacked the throttle........ Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 21:39:05 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15074 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:39:04 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr9-dialup10.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.69.10]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33510) with SMTP id <0F4G00AHD7C0AC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:38:28 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:39:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Crash Defying! To: Todd Peer , DC-Cycles Message-id: <003a01be2ee6$9e6aaea0$0a4537a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sounds like a fun ride! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: DC-Cycles Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 7:16 PM Subject: Crash Defying! > >Ha HAa! In your FACE slick pavement! > >Yep! I can say that now that I'm snug and warm at home. Left Pentagon City >at the first sight of flakes. Figured it'd be a breeze, I'd stop by the >vid-rental and cruise home...D'oh! > >Slush. Up the ramp to the HOV lanes and slick packed flakes...pucker. >Alright. This is cool. I just put the flashers on and go just a bit slower >toward home (f-the vids tonight). By the time I reached Seminary road >(still a good 10 miles from home) the flakes gave way to freezing rain! >NOOooooooo! I don't Want to ride on ice :-| (Thinking to myself, "sorry >for busting Dale Horstmans chops about not riding today." "Wish I had my >cage.":() > >Slow going and oh yeah, it was slick. Lost the front end on two occassions >giving me a reason to chastise myself to "RELAX FOR CRAP SAKE!" Doesn't do >any good to tense up....can't feel the road. Boot dragging to test for >ice. Yep! There's ice down there 8-0 > >Cages moving slow and me hoping their heat melts some of the crap on the >road. From Edsall to the I495/95/395 quagmire it's a little better, but the >cagers don't trust it. Fine by me. Better safe than sorry. > >Passed the exit to Keene Mill and...what's this!? A beemer passes by with a >wave. Alright! I'm not the only idiot on earth...WoooHooo! > >Gliding up the ramp to the FFax Co Pkwy...slush. At the top (the overpass), >ice. Great :( Nothing to do but keep going. That by the way is the ticket >folks. Just like in a car, do not slow or stop or you end up spinning, or >in our case going down to say Hi to Mr. Tarmac. Down the parkway crossing >two more, "Warning, Bridges Freeze Before Roadway". T'is true. Climbing a >hill over one and the cagers in front are crawling to a >stop...NOOOoooo...Nohohoho..Please don't stop now. The little Toyota truck >is now fish-tailing and I'm looking for an escape. The Shoulder? Could be, >though it's bound to be more icy. The Toyota finally gets straight and none >too soon. I'm doing around 2mph as the back tire touches tarmac. Whew. > >From here life is fairly uneventful. I get home, pull into the garage and >begin to laugh at my windshield and helmet and Jacket. All have frozen rain >stuck on :) I am shaking from nerves and cold, but I am happy :)) > >Todd > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 22:14:33 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15602 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.26.20]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 190; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:12:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3681B210.7F1E4ED2@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:16:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Crash Defying! References: <000001be2ecf$aff17ee0$18a72ca6@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Ha HAa! In your FACE slick pavement! Glad you made it home ok. Took me 3 hours to drive 20 miles, I've never had traction control and abs kick in as much they did tonight! Glad for once that I had two extra non-skidding wheels on the ground tonight. So what's tomorrow got in store for us. I may call in sick tomorrow. :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 22:19:47 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15688 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.26.20]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 365; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:18:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3681B34A.FBDBAE2A@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:21:46 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shaft drive question References: <01c401be2ecc$8d132200$474937a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: > > You're free to ride mine. It's not 400lbs, but about 420-30lbs with > fuel. it has good ground clearance, sticky tires, flicks very > easy and has enough power to slide the rear around if you so dare. Cool, sounds do-able. I'll probably pass on the sliding rear thing the first time out, though. =8-o > You might even feel somewhat at home on it right now, I don't have a > windshield or fairings on it. At least I'll have less bodywork to replace if I drop it, huh? :) I like the idea of the Chinese fire drill - would be kind of fun. I've still got to get together with Ken S. for a ride on his Sporty. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 22:21:06 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15765 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.26.20]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 371; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:19:27 -0500 Message-ID: <3681B399.912296CD@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:23:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shaft drive question References: <19981224011534.9498.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray wrote: > > My duckling weighs in that range, if you want to take it for a ride > after I get the shocks back on (going to be rebuilt by Cosmopolitan). > Ray Hey, this is gonna work out better than I expected! :) Alright, who else wants to get in line to give me a test ride on their bike? Huh, huh, please?! ;) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 22:23:59 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15775 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.26.20]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 135; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:22:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3681B446.E8EF50B9@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:25:58 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , Concours Owners Group Subject: Seasons Greetings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I blatantly stole this from Warren Harhay's post on the LDrider list. Thought it bore repeating. All bikes are cool. Happy Holidays, folks! * | H-D HONDA BENELLI EXCELSIOR CAGIVA RUMI INDIAN MERKEL ACE KAWASAKI CZ MOTO-MORINI DREAM BMW MOTO GUZZI BEAM ZUNDAPP HENDERSON BSA NORTON LAVERDA HERCULES AJS TRIUMPH MONTESSA OSSA YAMAHA BIMOTA SUNBEAM MAICO BULTACO CAN-AM APACHE DOUGLAS BROUGH-SUPERIOR SPAGTHORPE JAWA DAYTONA MATCHLESS HUSQVARNA ARIEL VESPA POPE INVICTA KTM DUCATI HOREX NERACAR ROYAL ENFIELD SUZUKI BISMARCK GILERA PEERLESS APRILIA PETERS JAP RUPP URAL Seasons Greetings and all the best for the New Year. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 22:24:04 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15778 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (dynamic96.cais.com [207.226.56.96]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA11865 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:23:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981223222358.006a5158@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:23:58 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Crash Defying! In-Reply-To: <000001be2ecf$aff17ee0$18a72ca6@todd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Todd, Wow! You Da' Man!!!! Mike B. 98 ZX900R At 06:55 PM 12/23/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Ha HAa! In your FACE slick pavement! > >Yep! I can say that now that I'm snug and warm at home. Left Pentagon City >at the first sight of flakes. Figured it'd be a breeze, I'd stop by the >vid-rental and cruise home...D'oh! > >Slush. Up the ramp to the HOV lanes and slick packed flakes...pucker. >Alright. This is cool. I just put the flashers on and go just a bit slower >toward home (f-the vids tonight). By the time I reached Seminary road >(still a good 10 miles from home) the flakes gave way to freezing rain! >NOOooooooo! I don't Want to ride on ice :-| (Thinking to myself, "sorry >for busting Dale Horstmans chops about not riding today." "Wish I had my >cage.":() > >Slow going and oh yeah, it was slick. Lost the front end on two occassions >giving me a reason to chastise myself to "RELAX FOR CRAP SAKE!" Doesn't do >any good to tense up....can't feel the road. Boot dragging to test for >ice. Yep! There's ice down there 8-0 > >Cages moving slow and me hoping their heat melts some of the crap on the >road. From Edsall to the I495/95/395 quagmire it's a little better, but the >cagers don't trust it. Fine by me. Better safe than sorry. > >Passed the exit to Keene Mill and...what's this!? A beemer passes by with a >wave. Alright! I'm not the only idiot on earth...WoooHooo! > >Gliding up the ramp to the FFax Co Pkwy...slush. At the top (the overpass), >ice. Great :( Nothing to do but keep going. That by the way is the ticket >folks. Just like in a car, do not slow or stop or you end up spinning, or >in our case going down to say Hi to Mr. Tarmac. Down the parkway crossing >two more, "Warning, Bridges Freeze Before Roadway". T'is true. Climbing a >hill over one and the cagers in front are crawling to a >stop...NOOOoooo...Nohohoho..Please don't stop now. The little Toyota truck >is now fish-tailing and I'm looking for an escape. The Shoulder? Could be, >though it's bound to be more icy. The Toyota finally gets straight and none >too soon. I'm doing around 2mph as the back tire touches tarmac. Whew. > >>From here life is fairly uneventful. I get home, pull into the garage and >begin to laugh at my windshield and helmet and Jacket. All have frozen rain >stuck on :) I am shaking from nerves and cold, but I am happy :)) > >Todd > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 22:33:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15971 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA02144 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19454 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:33:49 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8JNEa07392 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:33:14 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:33:14 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Happy Holidays! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Just wanted to wish everyone a happy and safe holiday season. May Santa leave hi compression pistons, electric vests and gas gift certificates in your stockings.. Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 22:54:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16322 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA02349 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19766 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:54:27 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8SCMa18792; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:49:01 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6bd34319.3681b9ad@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:49:01 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Not in the same league as a 400lbs sportbike, but I have a @500lbs shaftie cruiser that handles corners pretty well IMHO, if someone desires a comparison. :) Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 23:12:42 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16645 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:09:05 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Ray" Cc: Subject: RE: Shaft drive question Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:14:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001001be2ef3$ea5dd0a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <3681B399.912296CD@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal If you're interested in a ride on an 18 year old Gold Wing, I wouldn't mind seeing if the Connie is as top-heavy as I feared... (or, if Tracy wants to try an F650, I think I can wheedle it out of my father for a day) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Hey, this is gonna work out better than I expected! :) Alright, > who else wants to get in line to give me a test ride on their bike? > Huh, huh, please?! ;) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 23:40:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17094 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA02841 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA20713 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA25430; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from todd ([166.44.166.184]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981224043949.NVIA21813@todd>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:39:49 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Draggin' Jeans - Was: Ice Chickens Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:36:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be2ef6$f89ca300$18a72ca6@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <6fd73afa.36819510@aol.com> I've owned two pair. Cut is just like jeans, though in summer the swamp-ass is almost not bearable. Barely notice the kevlar. I bought both pairs at their Hickory NC store, so I got to try them on. They probably have a pair to fit you, but my suggestion to go there and try them (unless you're confident about your size, as in you always buy the same size jeans). Yep! $79 at the store. A little more if you mail order. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: LungHD@XXXXXX [mailto:LungHD@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 8:13 PM > To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Draggin' Jeans - Was: Ice Chickens > > > In a message dated 12/23/98 12:50:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, > todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > > > Only thing on > > the legs were my Draggin' Jeans.....Brrrr 23 degrees F at avgspeed of > > 65mph...windchill of roughly -17.5 degrees F. > > > > Todd > > > > Hey Todd- > You're the first person I've heard of that actually has a > pair of those > Draggin' Jeans. Are they reasonably comfortable and is the kevlar > noticable to > the wearer? Cheapest I've seen them is at $80 pair. Were they worth it? > > Lung > (Ice Chickens... make a great punker band name.) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 23:57:52 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17389 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA16184; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:57:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from todd ([166.44.175.34]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981224045716.NVQI21813@todd>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:57:16 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Crash Defying! Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:53:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be2ef9$6aba9620$18a72ca6@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3681B210.7F1E4ED2@tidalwave.net> Dale Horstman wrote: > So what's tomorrow got in store for us. I may call in cough> sick tomorrow. :) > Sick? Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket. I've already decided it. Got the puter here and plan to do what I was gonna do if I was sittin' in the cube anyway. No need to call in and...yawn...a couple of xtra ZZzzzzzz'zz'zzz Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 23 23:58:28 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17392 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA32619; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from todd ([166.44.175.34]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981224045719.NVQJ21813@todd>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:57:19 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike B." , Subject: RE: Crash Defying! Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:54:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be2ef9$6c444360$18a72ca6@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981223222358.006a5158@mail.dc.net> > Todd, > > Wow! You Da' Man!!!! > > Mike B. > 98 ZX900R Thanks, but about 2 miles into it I felt like the village idiot :) I can only imagine what the cagers thought >:} Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 00:02:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17492 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:02:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA03557 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA20962 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust022.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.22]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA19623; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:02:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981224045734.006ee638@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:57:34 -0500 To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: fuel valve At 11:46 AM 12/23/98 EST, STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: >1. do you all turn the valve off at the end of a ride? I was used to the >VX800 which had no off position (just ON and reserve). Not with a vacuum shutoff, although it's probably a good idea. >2. do you estimate the fuel level by the odometer or do you run to the >reserve? Yes. When nearing the point of needing fuel, I try to estimate where the gas stations might be. I try to refuel at the last one before I have to push the bike. Any time spent putting fuel in the bike or pushing is time not riding. A perfect fuel stop has the bike running out of gas (at the end of reserve) as the bike crests the hill before the gas station, then coasting in to the pump without losing any time pushing the bike. A quick 10.5 gallons of fuel and I'm back on the road again. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 00:05:39 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17495 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust022.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.22]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA19628; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:02:25 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981224045739.006f4864@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:57:39 -0500 To: "George Howell" , "Gil M. Nissley" , From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: question I think those are both marketing changes. The Nighthawk S was a high performance standard designed to come into the US with fewer CCs than the bikes affected by the tariff to protect Harley. The 'new' Nighthawk 750 is a bargain bike. Same with the Magna's, the old ones were 'muscle bikes' the new one is a cruiser. At 12:16 AM 12/22/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: >What did Honda do? Have to knuckle under to emissions laws? >> Depends on the bike/motor,not the drivetrain.My shaftie 700 Nighthawk S >> would smoke the current chain-driven 750 Nighthwawks.The older shaftie >> 700/750 Magnas were faster then the current chain Magnas,also. > > Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 00:05:59 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17515 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust022.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.22]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA19620; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:02:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981224045732.006d0b18@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:57:32 -0500 To: "SCOTT Rush" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Ice Chicken Riders Anonymous Well, I left downtown DC at 5:30 and it took three hours to get home. If I'd had the cage, it would have taken at least another 1/2 hour. Leon - yes, I have chicken stripes on my tires. I don't lean over much in this weather. At 12:55 PM 12/23/98 -0500, SCOTT Rush wrote: >>>>> Dale Horstman 12/23/98 12:10PM >>> >>Hi, my name is Dale, > > HI DALE. > >>and I drove my cage today. :( > > > >>Ice and freezing rain forecasts >>for this afternoon scared me into >>this cowardly act. I'm so ashamed. :) > >Don't feel bad. I metro to work everyday. Don't feel too safe parking the bike around here. > >>Ride safe, those of you braver than I. > >Agreed. > >>-- >>Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >>horkster@XXXXXX >>Dale City, Virginia >> >>1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >>1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > >Happy Holidays Everyone. > >Scooter > > Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 02:39:21 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA20557 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:39:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA05455; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:35:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:32:12 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: twitchy bikes.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199812231704.MAA03630@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > wait, you found the VFR twitchy? Yep,mine was twitchy too. > > Actually, I find my 98-ZX-9R less "twitchy" than my > > 86-VFR-750 (it weighs *'86* model.Had a 16" front wheel.17" on '87+ made a big dif. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 03:06:08 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA21007 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 03:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA05604; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 03:02:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:59:06 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Chain tech.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19981222.124728.5295.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Bikes R Us wrote: > On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:59:07 -0800 (PST) Ray writes: > >>Why does JP8 stink on purpose? > >So children and dogs don't drink it (cats can go ahead and drink up). > >Ray > You're gonna smoke a turd in purgatory for THAT comment, Captain > Cat-hater! ;-) I love cats.Dead ones. ;-) (can't remember the turd/purgatory reference,Robin Williams' stand up?) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 06:44:51 1998 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA24617 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 06:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id GAA13950 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 06:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id GAA13943 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 06:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id GAA22264 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 06:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from NCAIMAIL1 ([192.168.79.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id GAA22255 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 06:46:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812241146.GAA22255@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 06:42:00 -0500 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: RE: bike starting.. To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] << is there something else I'm just doing right? >> Yeah, you ride a Honda. :-) My friend's ST1100 is the same way - turn on, back down driveway, go. My EX500 takes a good dozen pushes of the starter, then 10 minutes to warm up; after that it MAY decided to stay running. --Brad From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 07:35:17 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25386 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:29:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Perplexing problem Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:30:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) You can only use Toyota anti-freeze. It has been silicate free for years. The only thing weird about the stuff is that its red in color. I've been using it in the Magna for years now. Oh and its supposedly long life (3 year intervals). Glenn > Make sure there is antifreeze in the radiator. And make sure you use a > silicate free one (like Hondaline. Supposedly the GM Dexcool is silicate > free, but Honda definitely is). The silicates can shred the seals in the > water pump. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 09:37:28 1998 Return-Path: jugernaut@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27082 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from rad_server (207-172-73-192.s192.tnt1.man.erols.com [207.172.73.192]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11512 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:37:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <368251CD.5CE6@erols.com> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:38:05 -0500 From: James Knowlton Reply-To: jugernaut@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Shaft vs. Chain Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I couldn't help but notice all the good natured bantering going on about shaft vs. chain drive. I have only owned chain driven bikes so far, so I can't say anything about shaft driven bikes. I can say, for myself at least, is that I don't think I'd let the drive system on a bike, no matter what it is, deter me from buying a bike if I liked it in all other respects. Hey, my favorite bike is the one I own at the time. I also think that proper maintenance on the drive system, or any system on the bike for that matter, is essential for trouble free riding. Just my 2 cents (make that a nickle - inflation) worth. And speaking of maitanence, I was thinking about buying a Scott Oiler for my bike. Does anyone have any experience with these? Do they work well? And how bulky are they? I would like to hide the majority of it and not sure if this is possible. Jim '98 YZF 600 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 11:51:21 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29033 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 328 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:49:41 -0500 Message-ID: <36827105.41D3B9DB@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:51:17 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Off Topic: need ideas for new year's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang, Sorry for the off-topic post, but I need ideas on where to go in the DC area (DC means Dale City, right?) or anywhere in Northern Virginia (I'd prefer to stay closer to home this time around) for a nice mellow new year's evening. Tracy seems to think we need reservations months in advance for New Year's Eve, but I don't think it's that hard to get into places, is it? Anyway, in general what we are looking for is: Good (but not loud music), live performers maybe, acoustic stuff a plus. Want to be able to carry on a conversation. We're not the wild nightclub type. Bars are ok, though we're not big into secondhand smoke. Did I say mellow yet? We've got wide music tastes, basically anything is ok this side of classical and/or rap. Music from Big Band era to the 50's to present day. Country/western is also do-able. No square dances, though. :) If the weather is agreeable, a place that caters to bikers is a definite option! :) Dance floor is always nice. I took some ballroom dance classes in college, shame to see my jitterbug/foxtrot skills go to waste. :) Dinner and beverages (alcoholic and non) a must. I don't want to get so wasted that I can't ride in the PARR Polar Bear run on New Year's Day. :) Casual dress a big plus. I wear a suit and tie for weddings and funerals only. We definitely prefer the jeans/slacks scene. No crowds, lots of seating must be available - we're too old and fat and cranky to be standing up all night long. :) And, of course, price should be reasonable. I've budgeted about $100-$150 for the nice evening for the two of us, but would cringe at much more than that. Less is sometimes better! ;) Anyway, any suggestions for a Nice-Married-Couple-not-originally-from the-area-who-suddenly-found-themselves-kid-free-and-want-to-go-out but-don't-know-where would be greatly appreciated. Appreciated to the point that a free six-pack of your favorite beverage will be delivered personally by the Horkster via Concours Express (there, some more motorcycle content) time early next year for the person who comes up with the suggestion we end up taking! :) Regards and Happy Holidays to you all! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 12:02:08 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29212 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 160; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:00:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3682738D.8696853F@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:02:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Shaft drive question References: <001001be2ef3$ea5dd0a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > If you're interested in a ride on an 18 year old Gold Wing, I wouldn't mind > seeing if the Connie is as top-heavy as I feared... Sounds like a plan. I always wanted to check out a Gold Wing, and always thought the older ones were better bikes than the current monstrosities Honda is making. The Connies weight disappears when moving. At speed, its a pretty nimble bike. In parking lots, it's a fickle bitch with a sense of humor. :) Both of my get-offs on the Concours came while practicing slow speed maneuvering, once on each side. I think I've pretty much given up on "practicing" with it anymore. :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 12:18:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29485 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10624 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA29743 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:18:33 -0500 (EST) From: LungHD@XXXXXX Received: from LungHD@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WEATa22652; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:17:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:17:55 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crash Defying! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Hat's off to "The Ice Man"! .....and for his next trick of derring-do and fearlessness..... He'll date my ex-girlfriend. (Okay, you're right. THAT would be stupid!) I can see it now - SpeedVision presents: "BeltWay Ice Racing." Lung [ Wow. And I thought I was brave for riding right thru the middle of a swarm of gnats. (Hey! They were angry, vicious gnats!) ] From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 12:24:16 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA29572 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:24:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981224172830.23452.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.197.56] by send204.yahoomail.com; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:28:30 PST Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:28:30 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Shaft drive question To: Dale Horstman , George Howell , DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- > I always wanted to check out a Gold Wing, and > No! Don't go over to the Dark Side of the (biking) force! Obie Ray Kenobi _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 12:26:33 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29585 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:26:31 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8YNTa23946; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:22:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <98a04d6e.36827848@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:22:16 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Off Topic: need ideas for new year's Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 If you find a place that fits your needs, I like to know too. In a message dated 12/24/98 11:57:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << Hey gang, Sorry for the off-topic post, but I need ideas on where to go in the DC area (DC means Dale City, right?) or anywhere in Northern Virginia (I'd prefer to stay closer to home this time around) for a nice mellow new year's evening. Tracy seems to think we need reservations months in advance for New Year's Eve, but I don't think it's that hard to get into places, is it? Anyway, in general what we are looking for is: Good (but not loud music), live performers maybe, acoustic stuff a plus. Want to be able to carry on a conversation. We're not the wild nightclub type. Bars are ok, though we're not big into secondhand smoke. Did I say mellow yet? We've got wide music tastes, basically anything is ok this side of classical and/or rap. Music from Big Band era to the 50's to present day. Country/western is also do-able. No square dances, though. :) If the weather is agreeable, a place that caters to bikers is a definite option! :) Dance floor is always nice. I took some ballroom dance classes in college, shame to see my jitterbug/foxtrot skills go to waste. :) Dinner and beverages (alcoholic and non) a must. I don't want to get so wasted that I can't ride in the PARR Polar Bear run on New Year's Day. :) Casual dress a big plus. I wear a suit and tie for weddings and funerals only. We definitely prefer the jeans/slacks scene. No crowds, lots of seating must be available - we're too old and fat and cranky to be standing up all night long. :) And, of course, price should be reasonable. I've budgeted about $100-$150 for the nice evening for the two of us, but would cringe at much more than that. Less is sometimes better! ;) Anyway, any suggestions for a Nice-Married-Couple-not-originally-from the-area-who-suddenly-found-themselves-kid-free-and-want-to-go-out but-don't-know-where would be greatly appreciated. Appreciated to the point that a free six-pack of your favorite beverage will be delivered personally by the Horkster via Concours Express (there, some more motorcycle content) time early next year for the person who comes up with the suggestion we end up taking! :) Regards and Happy Holidays to you all! Dale >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 12:45:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29958 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10818 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00093 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:45:04 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QGHYa05610; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:44:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52bf647c.36827d6c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:44:12 EST To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: more on VZ800 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/23/98 9:44:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << Yeah, but I bet the H-1 was more of a "thrill" when you wacked the throttle........ >> Is that what it's called.:-))) Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 12:50:16 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00176 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-114.s114.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.114]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22616; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:52:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36827E2F.965E847C@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:47:27 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Horkster@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Off Topic: need ideas for new year's References: <98a04d6e.36827848@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like the makings of a party at the Horksters house to me!!!!! he he he Collin (ducking and running!!) > In a message dated 12/24/98 11:57:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > << > Hey gang, > > Sorry for the off-topic post, but I need ideas on where > to go in the DC area (DC means Dale City, right?) or anywhere > in Northern Virginia (I'd prefer to stay closer to home this > time around) for a nice mellow new year's evening. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 13:40:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00859 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11303 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00757 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tom (user-37ka87e.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.32.238]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA06030; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:40:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004c01be2f6c$b360edc0$ee2045cf@tom> From: "Tom Zell" To: , , Subject: Re: Crash Defying! Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:39:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Wow, Todd, glad you made it home alright! Tom & I made the long trek from Arlington to Potomac last night and it was truly scary at points, and that was in the cage! I was wondering if everyone would make it home safe last night, glad you did. : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 13:45:29 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01013 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:45:27 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr51-dialup44.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.172]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33510) with SMTP id <0F4H002A4G2RTP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:44:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:45:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Perplexing problem To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <006e01be2f6d$a15203c0$ac4f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >You can only use Toyota anti-freeze. It has been silicate free for years. >The only thing weird about the stuff is that its red in color. I've been >using it in the Magna for years now. Oh and its supposedly long life (3 >year intervals). > >Glenn Me too...... Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 14:37:47 1998 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01791 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA26867 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:40:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199812242040.PAA26867@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:39:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Perplexing problem Priority: normal In-reply-to: <006e01be2f6d$a15203c0$ac4f37a6@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Does anyone add in a little of Red Line's "water wetter"? I've heard good things about this stuff from some of the racers on the FZR 400 list.... In a nutshell, they say (verbatim): "Water Wetter can reduce cooling system temperatures compared to glycol solutions and even plain water. Water has excellent heat transfer properties in its liquid state, but very high surface tension makes it difficult to release water vapor from the metal surface. Under heavy load conditions, much of the heat in the cylinder head is transferred by localized boiling at hot spots, even though the bulk of the cooling solution is below the boiling point. Red Line's unique WaterWetter reduces the surface tension of water by a factor of two, which means that much smaller vapor bubbles will be formed. Vapor bubbles on the metal surface create an insulating layer which impedes heat transfer. Releasing these vapor bubbles from the metal surface can improve the heat transfer properties in this localized boiling region by as much as 15%." -John Newman 88 FZR 400 >You can only use Toyota anti-freeze. It has been silicate free for years. >The only thing weird about the stuff is that its red in color. I've been >using it in the Magna for years now. Oh and its supposedly long life (3 >year intervals). > >Glenn Me too...... Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 15:38:34 1998 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02688 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:38:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981224204233.26958.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.195.115.149] by send204.yahoomail.com; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:42:33 PST Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:42:33 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Re: Off Topic: need ideas for new year's To: "Collin T. Fagan \(cfagan@XXXXXX\)" , Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Dale, What time does it start ? Collin, are you still bringing the Booze ? Merry Christmas... ---"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: > > Sounds like the makings of a party at the Horksters house to me!!!!! > he he he > Collin > (ducking and running!!) > > > > In a message dated 12/24/98 11:57:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > Horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > > > << > > Hey gang, > > > > Sorry for the off-topic post, but I need ideas on where > > to go in the DC area (DC means Dale City, right?) or anywhere > > in Northern Virginia (I'd prefer to stay closer to home this > > time around) for a nice mellow new year's evening. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 16:30:07 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03489 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA05245; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:29:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv10-21.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.149) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma005222; Thu Dec 24 15:29:08 1998 Message-ID: <006501be2f84$7b2ba900$9572d9ce@oemcomputer> From: "Ken" To: "Dale Horstman" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:29:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Hey Dale, Actually I am still up for that, I hope I get weekends off = again soon, or at least partials, and we can stun the cagers with out = death defying Chinese fire drills at most major interchanges ;).... = After sitting on that ZRX though, I got to tell ya it fit nice, similar = seating position to a Buell M2, but with a nicer seat.. and no air = cleaner to bang a knee on.... Anyway that probably would be a site, a bunch of us pulling up to a = light and jumping bikes, hehe..... We would have to get that on = videotape... Ken.... HDKnight1 on AOL Instant Messenger 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman > >I like the idea of the Chinese fire drill - would be kind of fun. >I've still got to get together with Ken S. for a ride on his Sporty. > >--=20 > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's >horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here=20 >Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 18:06:28 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04869 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.33]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 326; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:04:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3682C96A.24CAB6A5@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:08:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Shaft drive question References: <006501be2f84$7b2ba900$9572d9ce@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I am off all next week, and will be back in town on the 29th (going to see the folks in PA this weekend). Maybe if the weather cooperates, a ride on the 30th or 31st during the day might not be out of the question. :) Dale PS: And I've been eyeing that ZRX as well, it does look like an awesome bike. Too bad I'm poor and don't want another chain drive bike... ;) Ken wrote: > > Hey Dale, Actually I am still up for that, I hope I get weekends off again soon, or at least partials, and we can stun the cagers with out death defying Chinese fire drills at most major interchanges ;).... After sitting on that ZRX though, I got to tell ya it fit nice, similar seating position to a Buell M2, but with a nicer seat.. and no air cleaner to bang a knee on.... > > Anyway that probably would be a site, a bunch of us pulling up to a light and jumping bikes, hehe..... We would have to get that on videotape... > > Ken.... > HDKnight1 on AOL Instant Messenger > 1996 XLH 1200 > Ride Safe > Inwood, WV > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman > > > > >I like the idea of the Chinese fire drill - would be kind of fun. > >I've still got to get together with Ken S. for a ride on his Sporty. > > > >-- > > > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > >horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > >Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > > > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR > >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 19:12:01 1998 Received: from ita.doc.gov (hchb.ita.doc.gov [170.110.200.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA05796 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from DOC-ITA1-Message_Server by ita.doc.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:15:17 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:14:09 -0500 From: "David Mueller" Sender: Postmaster@XXXXXX Reply-To: David_Mueller@XXXXXX Errors-To: Postmaster@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:dc-cycles digest for 12/24/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I will be back in the Office on January 4. I trust you had a good = holiday. You can talk to Chris Cassel who will be acting Office Director = until then. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 24 23:00:14 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09452 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA09250; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:56:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:53:39 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Shaft drive question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19981224172830.23452.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Ray wrote: > > I always wanted to check out a Gold Wing, and > No! Don't go over to the Dark Side of the (biking) force! > Obie Ray Kenobi Dale,George is your father. And Ursulina is your sister. Todd is your second cousin twice removed. Collin is your uncle's best friend's brother-in-law..... The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 25 00:51:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11220 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18287 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA07708 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-59-209.s272.tnt12.brd.erols.com [207.172.59.209]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA11664 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:51:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01e601be2fe3$bcaba600$d13baccf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: bike starting.. Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:51:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 No, I don't believe you're doing anything wrong. I have to use full choke to start my bike in any weather. Once it's been running for a few moments I pull the choke back a bit. After a 1 or 2 minutes of riding I close the choke completely. - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD -----Original Message----- From: STARAI@XXXXXX To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 12:16 PM Subject: Re: bike starting.. >I seem to need the choke t start the bike even in warm weather. Am I doing >something wrong? > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 25 01:26:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA11717 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA18559 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA07923 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-59-209.s272.tnt12.brd.erols.com [207.172.59.209]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA15356 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:26:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <02a001be2fe8$a2e6b7a0$d13baccf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:26:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Gosh, I hope this doesn't mean I have to change my hair style to look like I have to honey buns stuck to the side of my head! ;-D - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD -----Original Message----- From: Gil M. Nissley To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Shaft drive question >On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Ray wrote: >> > I always wanted to check out a Gold Wing, and >> No! Don't go over to the Dark Side of the (biking) force! >> Obie Ray Kenobi > > Dale,George is your father. > > And Ursulina is your sister. > > Todd is your second cousin twice removed. > > Collin is your uncle's best friend's brother-in-law..... > > > >The official BuellBoy Genes model. > >gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > >'98 FXDS-Conv > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 25 01:35:25 1998 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from piper (root@XXXXXX [208.210.93.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA11949 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:35:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from piper (morris@piper [127.0.0.1]) by piper (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00305; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:23:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:23:47 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman X-Sender: morris@piper To: John Newman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perplexing problem In-Reply-To: <199812242040.PAA26867@bmdo.mcri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Delco also has a silicate free formula. And I think Prestone has just introduced a new product that also appears to be silicate free. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, John Newman wrote: > Does anyone add in a little of Red Line's "water wetter"? I've heard > good things about this stuff from some of the racers on the FZR 400 > list.... > > > > In a nutshell, they say (verbatim): "Water Wetter can reduce cooling system > temperatures compared to glycol solutions and even plain water. Water has > excellent heat transfer properties in its liquid state, but very high > surface tension makes it difficult to release water vapor from the metal > surface. Under heavy load conditions, much of the heat in the cylinder head > is transferred by localized boiling at hot spots, even though the bulk of > the cooling solution is below the boiling point. Red Line's unique > WaterWetter reduces the surface tension of water by a factor of two, which > means that much smaller vapor bubbles will be formed. Vapor bubbles on the > metal surface create an insulating layer which impedes heat transfer. > Releasing these vapor bubbles from the metal surface can improve the heat > transfer properties in this localized boiling region by as much as 15%." > > -John Newman > 88 FZR 400 > > > >You can only use Toyota anti-freeze. It has been silicate free for > years. >The only thing weird about the stuff is that its red in > color. I've been >using it in the Magna for years now. Oh and its > supposedly long life (3 >year intervals). > > > >Glenn > > > Me too...... > > Jon > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 25 01:36:41 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (smtp0.mindspring.com [207.69.200.30]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA11963 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from tom (user-38lcitg.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.176]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA01494 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:36:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01a501be2fd0$b4486920$b04b56d1@tom> From: "Tom Zell" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Happy Holidays Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:34:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Wishing everyone a wonderful Holiday Season!! -The Zells, Thomas and Jeannette(soon to be a Zell) From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 25 04:55:45 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA16312 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 04:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA11529; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 04:52:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 04:49:39 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Shaft drive question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <02a001be2fe8$a2e6b7a0$d13baccf@ursulina> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, Ursulina Viteri wrote: > Gosh, I hope this doesn't mean I have to change my hair style to look like I > have to honey buns stuck to the side of my head! ;-D Nah,you just have to get chained to somebody while wearing a bikini! ;-) Hey,look at the bright side.Wouldn't you want to take one of those speeder-bikes out for a spin? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 25 10:50:32 1998 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21993 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-36-147.s147.tnt6.ann.erols.com (207-172-36-147.s147.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.147]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id KAA05528 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:50:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812251550.KAA05528@smtp4.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:01:34 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Standards -Reply -Reply On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:53:00 -0500, JOE NAGY wrote: >Upon further reflection, I think I know the answer. >Q: What do race-replicas and cruisers have in common? >A: Large pose potential. >For some people, style is much more important than function. (And >please let's not get into a "function" flame war. I'm talking about >what poseurs want in a bike, not what the bike is capable of). If you wanted pose potential, you need to ride a Harley. It has been my experience that non-riders look to Harley's as the ultimate bike. I ride my Honda and am proud of it. It is admired by Harley and other riders. Non-riders tend to turn their noses up at it. But, I don't ride the bike to please them. I ride for my own enjoyment. Alas, I have not ridden since Thursday and I am going nuts. It should warm up enough melt the ice enough to be riding by the end of the weekend. :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 25 11:06:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22241 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23413 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11529 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-36-147.s147.tnt6.ann.erols.com (207-172-36-147.s147.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.147]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id LAA10281 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:06:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812251606.LAA10281@smtp4.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:17:33 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <01e601be2fe3$bcaba600$d13baccf@ursulina> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: bike starting.. My Honda is a little cold blooded, and didn't want to start Thursday morning (about 15 degrees). My little cheap old Suzuki fired right up and ran warm enough to take off the choke before my butt ever even started to thaw. I sure wished that it had a windshield and the hook-up for my electrics.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 25 19:09:08 1998 Received: from ita.doc.gov (hchb.ita.doc.gov [170.110.200.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA29833 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 19:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from DOC-ITA1-Message_Server by ita.doc.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 19:12:26 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 19:11:58 -0500 From: "David Mueller" Sender: Postmaster@XXXXXX Reply-To: David_Mueller@XXXXXX Errors-To: Postmaster@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:dc-cycles digest for 12/25/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I will be back in the Office on January 4. I trust you had a good = holiday. You can talk to Chris Cassel who will be acting Office Director = until then. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 25 22:29:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03094 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28858 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA17690 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-70-229.s229.tnt11.brd.erols.com [207.172.70.229]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA26014 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:29:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <031b01be3099$12822080$d13baccf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Shaft drive question Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:29:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Nix the bikini, it's too scary a thought. But the flying bikes - now that might be fun! :-) - - Ursulina -----Original Message----- From: Gil M. Nissley To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Shaft drive question >On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, Ursulina Viteri wrote: >> Gosh, I hope this doesn't mean I have to change my hair style to look like I >> have to honey buns stuck to the side of my head! ;-D > > Nah,you just have to get chained to somebody while wearing a bikini! ;-) > > Hey,look at the bright side.Wouldn't you want to take one of those >speeder-bikes out for a spin? > > > >The official BuellBoy Genes model. > >gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > >'98 FXDS-Conv > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 00:03:44 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA04622 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA15137; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:00:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:59:21 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Standards -Reply -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199812251550.KAA05528@smtp4.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, Marvin Heilesen wrote: > If you wanted pose potential, you need to ride a Harley. > It has been my experience that non-riders look to Harley's > as the ultimate bike. I ride my Honda and am proud of it. > It is admired by Harley and other riders. Non-riders tend > to turn their noses up at it. It is interesting the way non-riders look at Hogs(TM).Whenever I say I have a bike,about 75% of the time the person will ask if it's a Harley.When I was feeding Glenn for trailoring the Buell,we were talking bikes,and when I said the word 'Harley',the waitress suddenly got interested in what we were saying.And whenever I use my Visa card(the magic Harley one)the cashier always points out any Harley items they may have like I'll buy anything,no matter what it is,as long as it has the Bar-And-Shield(TM).It's bizarre. Of course,the fact that every woman who sees the Harley wants me is kinda cool. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 00:33:49 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05108 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:33:47 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3ZHPa18792 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:33:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6c91dcfa.36847515@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:33:09 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: not much message traffic today Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Are we a bunch of spiritual bikers to explain this silence? From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 06:54:35 1998 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA14424 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 06:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-59-105.s295.tnt2.ann.erols.com (207-172-59-105.s295.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.59.105]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id GAA27037 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 06:54:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812261154.GAA27037@smtp4.erols.com> From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 07:04:36 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Standards -Reply -Reply On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:59:21 +45722824 (EDT), Gil M. Nissley wrote: > Of course,the fact that every woman who sees the Harley wants me is >kinda cool. ;-) But as knowledgable as most are, I could tell them my Honda is a Harley....... One of the reasons I did not buy a Harley (besides $$$$$$) was I have been married too long to have women find interest in me. The shock would be too much and the temptation too great. :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake aka Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 08:13:03 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15698 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:13:02 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zttWQ-0004fR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:12:46 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24745 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA19120 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:12:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812261312.IAA19120@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Standards -Reply -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:12:29 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, Marvin Heilesen wrote: > > If you wanted pose potential, you need to ride a Harley. > > It has been my experience that non-riders look to Harley's > > as the ultimate bike. I ride my Honda and am proud of it. > > It is admired by Harley and other riders. Non-riders tend > > to turn their noses up at it. > > It is interesting the way non-riders look at Hogs(TM).Whenever I say > I have a bike,about 75% of the time the person will ask if it's a > Harley. I find this to be so true. Then when I answer "No, I have a Kawasaki Concours" I get the usual inquisition... "Why didn't you get a Harley?" Like it's any of their business in the first place. And since they don't ride or know much about motorcycles in the first place, they don't understand what I mean when I talk about crusiers vs. sports vs. sport touring vs. touring, etc. Then they act shocked when I tell them the Concours is made in Lincoln, NE. (I'm just glad that most of them realize NE is part of the USA) I wonder if people who buy Subarus, Hondas, and other foreign cars get the same line of questioning. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 10:54:48 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18265 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:54:46 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SDWUa11668 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:54:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:54:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: demographics Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Alot of you indicate some DoD (or USCG) affiliation. Is this a coincidence, small sample or is there a connection? Where are the women that are impressed by motorcycles? I am too old and married to make use of this information but am curious. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 11:17:17 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18672 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-38-148.s148.tnt8.ann.erols.com [207.172.38.148]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15555; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:19:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36850B78.8035D53D@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:14:49 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STARAI@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: demographics References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm.. to save a lot of typing of the same ole stuff, Anita Lauro put together a nice page with some of the info you asked about and a whole lot more... Check out: http://www.wizard.net/~2xracers/dc-cycles.htm Kudos again to Anita for a cool page. Coasty Collin (S.B.) STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > Alot of you indicate some DoD (or USCG) affiliation. Is this a coincidence, > small sample or is there a connection? > > Where are the women that are impressed by motorcycles? I am too old and > married to make use of this information but am curious. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http;//www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 11:31:27 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18920 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:31:26 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TWBGa24870; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:30:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8a911192.36850f2b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:30:35 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: demographics Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/26/98 11:21:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: > http://www.wizard.net/~2xracers/dc-cycles.htm internet explorer cannt open this site From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 11:43:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19093 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06437 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22854 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-92.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.92]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA15354 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:43:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812261643.LAA15354@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:40:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Need help from a local (No MC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was headed for a computer show in Gaithersburg today with a friend, when I realized he didn't know where we were going, either. :) If anyone knows anything about this, location, directions, phone number, anything, and you happen to read this before about 12:30 today, I could really use the info! =20 Thanks! MET ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 12:59:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20339 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07218 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23380 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-38-148.s148.tnt8.ann.erols.com [207.172.38.148]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12541; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:57:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36852309.8A6D3792@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:55:21 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mark E. Truelove" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need help from a local (No MC) References: <199812261643.LAA15354@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, Not quite before 12:30, but I have the info just the same... go to http://www.marketpro.com and follow links for show locations.. should give address and contact info for the gaithersburg show.. Collin Mark E. Truelove wrote: > > I was headed for a computer show in Gaithersburg today with a friend, when > I realized he didn't know where we were going, either. :) From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 16:23:08 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23702 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s30.wizard.net (tc1-s30.wizard.net [206.161.15.60]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA05146; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:23:06 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: demographics Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:30:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3686556d.28206857@smtp.wizard.net> References: <8a911192.36850f2b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8a911192.36850f2b@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:30:35 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/26/98 11:21:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, >gixer@XXXXXX writes: > >> http://www.wizard.net/~2xracers/dc-cycles.htm > >internet explorer cannt open this site Worked just fine at 4:30 pm. Maybe there was some sort of network glitch earlier? Anita From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 18:14:53 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25652 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:14:47 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 2CREa11667; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:13:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:13:56 EST To: 2xracers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: demographics Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/26/98 4:23:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, 2xracers@XXXXXX writes: > http://www.wizard.net/~2xracers/dc-cycles.htm Got it ..... very nice. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 21:28:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28822 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA11586 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28773 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:28:35 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WGQIa18792 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:27:37 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <28bcccb9.36859b19@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:27:37 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In response to Louis' message, I got into a "heated discussion" with a co- worker many months ago because he did not believe that Honda made motorcycles here in the USA. I explained to him that the GoldWing has always been made here, and that the Valkyries and Shadows are made here now. He was suprised when I brought in proof a couple days later. :) Of course, he quickly pointed out that The Company has been around longer. Sheesh. And yes, now that I live out here in Frederick, I get asked why I don't have a American pickup truck. I guess they don't have much to do out here in the sticks. ;) Robert "Can't wait to move back to a city" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" (Yes it was made in Japan, and NO I don't care) From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 21:39:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28988 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA11688 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28823 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:39:15 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WXDUa11248; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:38:40 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:38:40 EST To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 We live in a global economy. From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 23:12:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00654 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA12576 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:12:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29354 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:12:13 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WPWRa21775; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:11:31 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <74613a71.3685b373@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:11:31 EST To: STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I agree. That's why I am more concerned about quality and my preferences then where it (it being anything!) is made. Just my $.02 Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 23:24:51 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA00826 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA19353; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:21:16 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:16:52 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Standards -Reply -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199812261312.IAA19120@shell.clark.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 louis@XXXXXX wrote: > I find this to be so true. Then when I answer "No, I have a Kawasaki > Concours" I get the usual inquisition... "Why didn't you get a Harley?" > Like it's any of their business in the first place. And since they don't > ride or know much about motorcycles in the first place, they don't understand > what I mean when I talk about crusiers vs. sports vs. sport touring vs. > touring, etc. You shoulda seen the fun I had trying to explain the Buells to people. Me:You know what a Harley is right? Non-rider:Sure. Me:You know what a sportbike is? N-r:Huh? Me:You know,a crotch-rocket,a Ninja(they generaly know the term Ninja). N-r:Oh,yeah okay. Me:Well it's a sportbike with a Harley engine. N-r:Where are they made? What really used to get me was _bikers_ who were clueless.I remember one time when I had the S2 parked outside dc-c's favorite local dealer. One of the mechanics was looking at the right side(w/pushrods,oval air cleaner,and 'Buell American Motorcycles on the tank).He said,"that's Italian right?".Well,it was red with a white frame. :-P > I wonder if people who buy Subarus, Hondas, and other foreign cars get the > same line of questioning. Heh.Speaking of cars,I used to ride with a group of sportbikers when I lived on base.We had stopped at a McD's to eat and this guy comes up and starts asking questions about our bikes.He asked which one was the fastest. We said the one guy's CBR9.He asked how much it cost.We said $8.3k.He said,"wow,you could almost buy a car for that".After he left one of my friends said,"yeah,but if you spend $8k on a car no one's gonna come up to you in McD's and ask how fast it goes and how much you paid for it". ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 23:26:04 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA00841 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA19358; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:22:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:21:42 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: demographics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > Alot of you indicate some DoD (or USCG) affiliation. Is this a coincidence, > small sample or is there a connection? We could tell you,but then we'd have to kill you. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 26 23:32:54 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA00996 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA19385; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:29:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:22:52 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <28bcccb9.36859b19@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > In response to Louis' message, I got into a "heated discussion" with a co- > worker many months ago because he did not believe that Honda made motorcycles > here in the USA. I explained to him that the GoldWing has always been made > here, and that the Valkyries and Shadows are made here now. He was suprised > when I brought in proof a couple days later. :) Of course, he quickly pointed > out that The Company has been around longer. Sheesh. My dad works with some Real Harley Men(TM) down in Pax river.They like to give him flack about his Hondas.I gave him a good one to mess with them.I had him ask around to find opinions on whether I should put an EV13 or EV27 in my Dyna.They had no clue what he was talking about. :-P We got a Harley Chick(TM) here at work too.She keeps talking about all the things she's going to do to her new bike.Of course,she's not going to even pick up a wrench.Dealer's doing everything. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 02:52:10 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA05166 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-18.s18.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.18]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA10157; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:52:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3685E716.1C3F9B66@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:51:50 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would be nice to have that kind of spare money... then again, I LIKE to work on my bike, and would probably do the work myself even if I could afford to have the dealer do it....I rely on the bike to keep me alive, and there are very few people other than myself who I trust to take care of that... Gil M. Nissley wrote: She keeps talking about all > the things she's going to do to her new bike.Of course,she's not going to > even pick up a wrench.Dealer's doing everything. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 02:56:22 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA05197 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-18.s18.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.18]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA10330; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:56:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3685E818.3C35A4CA@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:56:08 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Standards -Reply -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I still like the one you were telling us last year about when you buzzed by a couple of hard core RUB's on their HD's a year or so ago.... RUB #1: "Damn rice burning rocket bikes flying by causing all kinds of trouble.." RUB #2: "Wait, wasn't that one of them Buell thingy's.... They're more or less hopped up hogs man..." Rub #1: "Damn, well, I guess we have to like it then..." Poorly quoted message of yours, but damn funny just the same (and I didn't want to go through 50 megs of old mail to find the original from oh so long ago ;-)) Collin Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > You shoulda seen the fun I had trying to explain the Buells to people. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 07:56:07 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10506 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 07:56:05 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FVYKa11681; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 07:54:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 07:54:28 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/26/98 11:36:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << My dad works with some Real Harley Men(TM) down in Pax river.They like to give him flack about his Hondas.I gave him a good one to mess with them.I had him ask around to find opinions on whether I should put an EV13 or EV27 in my Dyna. >> I am intrigued by the Harley thing. Were it limited to a small group of fans who enjoyed riding obsolete motorcycles for the pose value, as Harley's are in Europe or Morgan cars are throughout the world I could understand it. I suspect it is the unique driving environment in most of the U.S. (55-65 MPH speed limits), no passing double lines the rule rather than the exception and an emphasis on enforcement that makes a Harley an acceptable motorcycle to a large group of motorcyclists in the U.S. In Europe fast touring on autostradas, autobahns etc. and the desire to avoid being constantly passed by cars cruising at 160-180 KpH while on a bike and the need for a bike with the power and handling to pass cars and trucks on short sections of mountain roads make Harley's and clones expensive niche bikes used to pose in the city or beach resorts. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 08:48:45 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11380 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:48:43 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FMBYa01706; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:46:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:46:54 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: demographics Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/26/98 11:29:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: > > We could tell you,but then we'd have to kill you. ;-) > > > Too late .... your secret was compromised. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 11:03:30 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13636 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:03:28 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3SBPa29110 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:02:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:02:29 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: HDs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 The only time I had ever been around a harley was during my MSF ER course. The harleys present were all very noisy and vibrated severly when idling. Are they worse when they are the road? From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 11:12:47 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13812 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:12:46 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3EYUa22652; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:12:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4207c686.36865c56@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:12:06 EST To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: HDs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/27/98 11:08:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, STARAI@XXXXXX writes: << Are they worse when they are the road? >> They are probably just as loud, but many of them have rubber mounted engines so the vibrations are probably damped at anything above 2000 rpm. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 11:40:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14246 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19385 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06007 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([199.234.148.53]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 287; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:38:42 -0500 Message-ID: <368662E8.F1894C8F@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:40:08 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STARAI@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seriously, I tell the American-centric folks that my bike was made on planet Earth, same as theirs. ;) Then I go ride, while they all stand around congratulating themselves on how great their bikes are. Whatever. It works for me. Regards, Dale (the Horkster) STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > We live in a global economy. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 12:14:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14821 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19715 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06393 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA29069; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from todd ([166.44.167.17]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981227171338.QZZF21813@todd>; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:13:38 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Made in America? was RE: Standards Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:10:05 -0500 Message-ID: <001801be31bb$bffc9740$18a72ca6@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <368662E8.F1894C8F@tidalwave.net> Well, I have to admit to this attitude back when it made sense to not send my money away from home. I am now convinced that American made holds little value in everyday items such as vehicles and appliances. I love my Hondas! In addition to the six Honda motorcycles I/'ve own/ed, I've owned two Honda Accords ('81 and '83). Generally speaking, excellent engineering and designs that have been thought out PRIOR to building. AND, three years down the road, bits aren't shaking loose and making noises. Can you believe it took me 3.5 hours of frustration and cut-up hands to replace the spark-plug wires on my Chevy Berreta?! Many curses hurled toward GM engineers later, and I busted an exhaust mounted sensor in the process (right next to the no.5 plug). Now the car sounds like a proper redneck mobile. I have two televisions, one RCA the other a Toshiba. The RCA has already cost me an additional $160 to repair, the remote doesn't work anymore, the damn thing shuts itself off and changes it's own channels and the little pop-up menus keep coming on. The Toshiba is about three years older and works flawlessly. I won't ever again make my buying decisions based on where something is made, but on the pure quality for the money. American made? Who gives a rats ass! Have I told you I love my Hondas? Todd > > Seriously, I tell the American-centric folks that > my bike was made on planet Earth, same as theirs. ;) > > Then I go ride, while they all stand around congratulating > themselves on how great their bikes are. Whatever. It works > for me. > > Regards, > > Dale (the Horkster) > > STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > We live in a global economy. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 13:20:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16031 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20313 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06902 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-45-205.s205.tnt5.brd.erols.com [207.172.45.205]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11317 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:23:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001001be31de$c0838ca0$7735accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Harley Davidson wrapping paper Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:20:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 FYI: Harley Davidson wrapping paper now available at your local Giant Food store. Only $3.29 for 15 feet. It's non-seasonal and goes well with shiny silver curling ribbon or orange ribbon. - - Ursulina From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 14:23:44 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17013 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20784 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07449 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:23:34 -0500 (EST) From: LungHD@XXXXXX Received: from LungHD@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8WYYa11667; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:22:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9a7a3018.368688f4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:22:28 EST To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: HDs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/27/98 11:08:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, STARAI@XXXXXX writes: > > The only time I had ever been around a harley was during my MSF ER course. > The harleys present were all very noisy and vibrated severly when idling. > Are > they worse when they are the road? > Vibration is a relative thing. Harleys have it built in & it's part of the V- twin image (as witnessed by the clone bikes being designed to emulate the HD sound when they could be tuned for significantly greater power. (That vibration does come in handy for making mixed drinks though. Just pour in a glass, sit on bike, rev to 3,500 & voila!) There are vibration dampeners that can be installed & they work well enough. Don't know of anyone who uses one though. If the vibration was an issue, they'd have bought Gold Wings, etc for a smoother ride. Rubber mounted HD's do have less vibration transmitted to the rider than the rigid mounted engines. My Fatboy had an annoying habit of shaking the mirrors out of adjustment until I cranked the lockdown screws all the way in. My Honda had a rpm band that had that vibration/buzz that is unique to inline 4's but might be objectionable to a Winger. V-twins have their own vibration & single cyl bikes.... well... It's all kind of like trying to explain why you like the way a Crown Victoria rides to someone in an old TR6 - or telling a Royal Star rider why draggin' the pegs is so much fun on your Ninja. They just look at you with that glazed look and go 'Huh?'. ?:-\ So, is the vibration 'worse' on the road? I don't know if it's 'worse' but there is definitely MORE vibration at higher rpms. But I wouldn't trade it for anything. (And yes... I do miss the Honda. It had a different ride that I liked.) Lung BTW - chilly ride today. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 16:45:32 1998 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19453 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt (207-172-52-107.s107.tnt1.brd.erols.com [207.172.52.107]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id QAA08534 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:45:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812272145.QAA08534@smtp4.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: New York City? Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:47:38 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is the January 16 trip to NYC still on? Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 18:19:51 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20981 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA25393; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:19:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv10-36.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.164) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025378; Sun Dec 27 17:19:09 1998 Message-ID: <001501be31ef$527e3460$a472d9ce@oemcomputer> From: "Ken" To: "Roy D. Turner" , Subject: Re: New York City? Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:19:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Roy,=20 I do not believe that Anita had received sufficient checks before = Christmas, hopefully now that the push time is here, it will get things = rolling again. hope so anyway, it sounds like fun..... She needed 31 = by the 30th though, and the last I heard the numbers were still in the = low 20's.... Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Roy D. Turner To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 4:49 PM Subject: New York City? >Is the January 16 trip to NYC still on? Roy D. Turner, Esq. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 18:36:41 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA21314 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s20.wizard.net (tc1-s20.wizard.net [206.161.15.50]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10978; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:36:45 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Roy D. Turner" Cc: Subject: Re: New York City? Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:44:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3687c4e1.261529@smtp.wizard.net> References: <199812272145.QAA08534@smtp4.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <199812272145.QAA08534@smtp4.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:47:38 -0500, you wrote: >Is the January 16 trip to NYC still on? Roy D. Turner, Esq. As of today I have 29 payments in hand - only 3 short of our goal. A number of people told me last week that "the check was in the mail," so I expect to receive some more in tomorrow's mail. I think the holidays slowed down the mail - all those darn Christmas cards! :-) Anyhow, I continue to get a couple new inquiries almost every day, so at this point I am willing to go out on a limb (financially!) and say: THE BUS TRIP TO NYC ON JAN 16TH IS OFFICIALLY... ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY!!! Anita PS - Still plenty of room on the bus for you procrastinators! :-) PPS - If you are on my trip distribution list, I'll be sending out more details tomorrow. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 23:16:51 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA25896 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA23689; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:13:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:55:58 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: HDs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > The only time I had ever been around a harley was during my MSF ER course. > The harleys present were all very noisy and vibrated severly when idling. Are > they worse when they are the road? Noise has nothing to do with a bike;it's the exhaust system.Plenty of people out there on Harleys _and_ sportbikes with pipes that are way too loud.Harleys on the whole seem louder because more of them have had their exhaust modified to get better performance and sound.The stock mufflers are very restrictive and sound like crap. As for vibes,depends on the model.Sportsters have solid mounted engines, so they shake more the higher you rev them.They're also relatively light, so there's not much to soak up the vibes.Big Twins come in two flavors; solid and rubber mounted.The solid ones don't shake too bad at idle because they've got the mass to dampen it,but when revved high start to shake bad. Rubbermounts tend to shake more because the motor is basically shaking in the frame,but once you get up around 2.8k rpm they smooth out and you don't feel anything. As an aside,the characteristics of the vibration are also important.My CBR900RR had a buzz at around 70.I could feel it through my hands and feet,and if I didn't keep above or below that speed it was very uncomfortable. My Buells and my current Dyna shake at idle,but it's a low frequency throb that you get used to and eventually ignore.Out on the highway,they're very smooth at all speeds. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 23:36:07 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA26231 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA23750; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:32:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:26:11 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: HDs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4207c686.36865c56@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > They are probably just as loud, but many of them have rubber mounted engines > so the vibrations are probably damped at anything above 2000 rpm. Speaking of Harley things,anyone here notice how many non-Harley riders will answer questions about Harleys?C'mon Fred,you never seen a sportbike with a race can on it?There used to be a YZF750 at my apt complex that easily drowned out my V&H-equipped Buell.And he wasn't careful about keeping his revs down like I was. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 23:47:20 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA26406 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA23786; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:43:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:34:18 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: HDs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9a7a3018.368688f4@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 LungHD@XXXXXX wrote: > There are vibration dampeners that > can be installed & they work well enough. Don't know of anyone who uses one > though. We've disscussed these on the VB&G.The consensus was the Fischer units were expensive and didn't work too well.The Balance Masters worked pretty good,but you had to make sure you installed both units on the countershaft and clutch.I had a set on the first Buell,but they don't do much on a rubbermount.If I was going to own a Sporty or Softtail,I'd definitely add a set of these(and a single fire ignition). > My Fatboy had an annoying habit of > shaking the mirrors out of adjustment until I cranked the lockdown screws all > the way in. Locktite.Works fine,lasts long time. > (And yes... I do miss the Honda. It had a different ride that I > liked.) I miss all my old Hondas for different reasons.Too bad I only have the money/space/time for one ride. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 23:48:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26413 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA25471 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com ([38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA13348 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id XAA03573 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-70-170.s170.tnt11.brd.erols.com(207.172.70.170) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma003571; Sun, 27 Dec 98 23:48:05 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19981227234726.00a2e590@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:48:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: t-shrts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Whats the status of the t-shirts? I sent in my money, but havent heard anything. My email was down for a couple of days so...... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 27 23:50:10 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA26492 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:50:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA23858; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:46:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:43:57 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Harley Davidson wrapping paper To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001001be31de$c0838ca0$7735accf@ursulina> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Ursulina Viteri wrote: > FYI: Harley Davidson wrapping paper now available at your local Giant Food > store. Only $3.29 for 15 feet. It's non-seasonal and goes well with shiny > silver curling ribbon or orange ribbon. Gotta be bootleg.Real Harley paper would cost $329. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 00:07:39 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26785 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA24094; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:04:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:51:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > I am intrigued by the Harley thing. Were it limited to a small group of fans > who enjoyed riding obsolete motorcycles for the pose value, as Harley's are in > Europe or Morgan cars are throughout the world I could understand it. I > suspect it is the unique driving environment in most of the U.S. Doubt it.Ever read _Back Street Heros_ or _AWOL_?The cruiser/chopper subculture is alive and well in Europe.In fact,long before companies like Cobra started putting out 'custom' acessories for Japanese cruisers, Euros were hand fabricating bikes that would put anything in _Easyriders_ to shame. > and the need for a bike with the power and handling to pass cars and trucks on > short sections of mountain roads make Harley's and clones expensive niche > bikes used to pose in the city or beach resorts. Hey Fred,ever ride a Harley?I think you'd be surprised at how a Dyna,FXR, or Sportster really handled.And at how well they pass cars with only a few tweaks. Of course,you never see people posing on tarted-up sportbikes.They're only ridden by highly skilled riders.Ever here the term 'squid'? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 00:18:05 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26954 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA24140; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:14:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:04:09 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Made in America? was RE: Standards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001801be31bb$bffc9740$18a72ca6@todd> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > I won't ever again make my buying decisions based on where something is > made, but on the pure quality for the money. American made? Who gives a > rats ass! Have I told you I love my Hondas? I like to buy American,but I'm realistic about it.I buy Levi's 501's instead of 505's because they're made in USA(505's are made in Mexico, and yes there is a difference in quality compared to when they used to be made in Canada) even though I like both styles the same.With home electronics,though,I have to give the nod to Sony.Of course in some cases we don't have a choice.If you want a decent helmet you have to buy imported. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 01:15:08 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27977 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:01:23 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Harley Davidson wrapping paper Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:06:29 -0500 Message-ID: <001401be3228$35782720$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: I'd suggest getting on the waiting list now so that you can wrap presents in it next Xmas ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Gotta be bootleg.Real Harley paper would cost $329. ;-) From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 02:45:12 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA00335 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:45:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust027.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.27]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA26947; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:45:46 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981228074125.006d9dfc@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:41:25 -0500 To: jugernaut@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Shaft vs. Chain At 09:38 AM 12/24/98 -0500, James Knowlton wrote: >I also think that proper maintenance on the drive system, or any system >on the bike for that matter, is essential for trouble free riding. Just >my 2 cents (make that a nickle - inflation) worth. Maintenance helps, but there is a point at which a new bike is needed. After a while, they stop being trouble-free. - - - Of course now I'll hear otherwise from the Beemer folks who just haven't ridden far enough yet. > >And speaking of maitanence, I was thinking about buying a Scott Oiler >for my bike. Does anyone have any experience with these? Do they work >well? And how bulky are they? I would like to hide the majority of it >and not sure if this is possible. I have a Scott Oiler. The touring version mounts behind the license plate and makes the plate about 1 inch or so thicker. It's quite noticeable if you know what you're looking for, less so on some bikes than other. I have the standard version. It's about the size of an 8oz baby bottle (racer's use them to catch overflow.) I have it zip tied to the front fork. It's hidden behind the fairing. If you don't ride your bike during the week, don't waste your money on it. I like it because I can go 1000 miles without checking the chain (and sometimes do) It's also nice for the day after it rains, and I don't have the time to oil the chain before I go to work. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 03:17:33 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA00935 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 03:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 03:13:48 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Leon Begeman" , , Subject: RE: Shaft vs. Chain Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 03:18:55 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01be323a$b5c2ff60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19981228074125.006d9dfc@illuminet.net> > Maintenance helps, but there is a point at which a new bike is needed. > After a while, they stop being trouble-free. - - - Of course now I'll hear > otherwise from the Beemer folks who just haven't ridden far enough yet. Not this one. I haven't (yet) seen a dead BMW. But I have heard of them. Usually the death involves a cage. But supposedly, there's an R32 out there that actually died of old age;) Seriously though, BMW's (and Wings) are VERY particular about keeping the splines lubed. Forget that, and you're hosed to the tune of $1000+ Enough for you to buy two bikes:) How did you mount the oiler tube to the swingarm? Got any easy way to take a pic of it and send it via email? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > > > >And speaking of maitanence, I was thinking about buying a Scott Oiler > >for my bike. Does anyone have any experience with these? Do they work > >well? And how bulky are they? I would like to hide the majority of it > >and not sure if this is possible. > > I have a Scott Oiler. The touring version mounts behind the > license plate > and makes the plate about 1 inch or so thicker. It's quite noticeable if > you know what you're looking for, less so on some bikes than > other. I have > the standard version. It's about the size of an 8oz baby bottle (racer's > use them to catch overflow.) I have it zip tied to the front fork. It's > hidden behind the fairing. > > If you don't ride your bike during the week, don't waste your money on it. > I like it because I can go 1000 miles without checking the chain (and > sometimes do) It's also nice for the day after it rains, and I don't have > the time to oil the chain before I go to work. > > > Leon Begeman > Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 > Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 06:47:38 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA04540 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 06:47:37 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FNSNa12847; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 06:46:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <362e2567.36876f8b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 06:46:19 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: HDs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/27/98 11:41:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: <> He asked a question and I answered it. 1.The bikes he heard would probably be just as loud on the road as at the MFS course. True 2. The vibrations would be damped by rubber mounting of the engine on a number of HD models. True It was presumptuous of me to answer a Harley question, I am sorry. I think the mailing list should make it a rule that Harley questions be handled only by Harley owners. By the way while there are loud sportbikes, I find the open-piped Harley's more obnoxious in terms of level and type of sound, but then that's me. I have heard loud Ducatis and I have a loud Norton, both twins but less obnoxious sound to me. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 06:54:03 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA04632 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 06:54:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812281154.GAA04632@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 03:53:36 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Summit Point Times Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 03:53:35 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) A survey of my head (cornerworker for 2 years) puts lap record at 1:17.84 (that right collin) - most fast people in the low~mid 20's - most beginers in the mid-30s (like me.. best is 1:36.something on a borrowed bike - YZF600). Cars, obviously, have the best lap times around Summit.. with a total track record down near 1:12 or so if I remeber correctly (uh-oh.. i feel another thread coming on with that comment!) Brian > -----Original Message----- > > >2.Since I race a car at Summit Point I was wondering about > comparative > lap times >with the bikes. My Toyota Corolla in Improved Touring will > turn 1:35. Mostly stock > >engine(headers and carb) mild suspension mods, DOT radial tires. > > A survey of racers on staff here indicates lap times in the > mid-1:20s on > a variety of bikes. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 07:03:21 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04797 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:03:20 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id JYCJa07393; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:01:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <472f83d0.36877337@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:01:59 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/28/98 12:14:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Doubt it.Ever read _Back Street Heros_ or _AWOL_?The cruiser/chopper subculture >> You made my point, it is a small hardcore group of fans. <> Yes I have ridden a Sportster and know how they really handle, my 75 Commando handles better at speed. You need more than a few tweaks to do the passing I am talking about, you need also get around the car or truck and get back in your single lane before you head-on an oncoming vehicle and do this on a sweeping turn, not just pass on a four-lane road which any bike can do. I have never ridden with you and can't vouch for your ability, however, a very good rider might be able to ride fast comfortably on a Harley, I certainly would not want to though, I know my limits. On the other hand, the only bike that I would want someone like Colin to ride and hope to be able to keep up with him on my ZX-9R is a Harley. Well, after he lost the floorboards it would probably still be hopeless. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 07:09:24 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04888 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:09:23 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VOJOa22662; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:08:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <88e3f53.368774bc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:08:28 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Summit Point Times Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/28/98 6:59:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Cars, obviously, have the best lap times around Summit.. with a total track record down near 1:12 or so if I remeber correctly (uh-oh.. i feel another thread coming on with that comment!) >> With all the rubber a car has on the road and the ability to slide easily, a well-sorted out and powerful race car will always do faster times. I saw a track comparison of Schumachers F-1 car and Biaggi's 500cc GP bike and the only place the bike was faster was in the 0-100 KpH time, however, the F-1 car did not completely overwhelm the bike, the lap times of the bike were close to those of the slower F-1 cars, within 1 second if I recall but 4-5 seconds slower than Schumacher's Ferrari. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 07:12:00 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA04907 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:11:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981228121429.28525.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send206.yahoomail.com; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:14:29 PST Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:14:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Harley Davidson wrapping paper To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Ursulina Viteri wrote: > > FYI: Harley Davidson wrapping paper now available at your local Giant Food > > store. But does it leak oil like a real harley? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 07:19:53 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05065 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:19:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812281219.HAA05065@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:19:48 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Crash Defying! Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:19:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I don't know what all you people are complaining about.. well.. ok, I had a layer of snow stuck to me when I got home.. but it was still melting on the streets... so it wasn't that bad.. I skipped work on Thursday, but was out and about for a short ride on Friday without any issue (what was that comment last year about looking for snad/salt patches cause they're less slick?). I was out and about on my XT on Sunday.. looking for, and finding , snow, mud, hills and other off-road pleasentries.. :P I love sliding both tires on a bike going into a corner, wacking the throttle open so the back spins while sliding and then shooting off in a different direction.. I'm sure it looks cool as hell, I know if feels that way.. :) Brian (er, is that Sir Turd?) From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 07:34:03 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05350 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA29545 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:33:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:33:57 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Crash Defying! In-Reply-To: <199812281219.HAA05065@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > I don't know what all you people are complaining about.. well.. ok, I had a > layer of snow stuck to me when I got home.. but it was still melting on the > streets... so it wasn't that bad.. More than the actual road conditions the thing that makes me nervous is the cars crashing around me. :) I left work at 4:00pm and the beltway had a thin layer of snow on it. I don't think I slid once though. However, after getting home the freezing rain/sleet started and I was glad I was already home. I wonder how well the MT60 tires work in the snow... Oh, I did note that I had the road to myself most of the time. For some reason all the cars preferred to have at least a lane separating them from me. Maybe they were thinking right and were attempting to avoid that possibility that they'd start sliding and run into me. Of course, there's no way they were thinking that. I'm sure they figured that since they were sliding around that the guy with only 2 wheels is going to fall down at any second... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 08:40:39 1998 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06429 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zucu6-0006cD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:40:14 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA16541 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:44:16 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED729@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Summit Point Times Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:44:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > A survey of my head (cornerworker for 2 years) puts lap record at > 1:17.84 > (that right collin) - > > It is now 1:16.84, set by Tim Bemisderfer. (from MARRC Home page). > most fast people in the low~mid 20's - > Fast Expert on a built FZR400 does 1:22s. > most beginers > in the mid-30s > My best from my first season is 1:33.75 on a stock FZR400, I thought that was pretty good until the fast novices fly by me like I was standing still. > Cars, obviously, have the best lap times around Summit.. with a total > track > record down near 1:12 or so if I remeber correctly > 4 Big tires = more traction, easier to slide controllably = faster laps Of course we all know that . . . Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 08:51:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06660 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA01129 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA19568 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:51:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Mon Dec 28 08:42 EST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA27687 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE323F.3AFC8A30@XXXXXX>; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:51:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Gerbing Review (Longish) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:51:15 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I thought I would relay some information on Gerbing after my epen$ive purchase on Saturday at the Cycles USA open house. First, I would like to say that the Gerbing sales rep was great. He was very nice and pointed me in the right direction. I was thinking of asking him to post to THIS list as he was very helpful to me. Let me (the list) know if further posting of information from him is OK. NOW, I purchased the thin jacket liner and the water resistant gloves. Cycles USA did not have a BMW socket, (surprise, NOT), so they gave me an adapter to use in the mean time. I left Cycles USA for NJ, fully packed and made one more stop at Bob's BMW for some Chili/stew/something good. It really wasn't that cold on the way up. ~41 degrees. When I got off the bike in DE, however, I broke/disconnected my connection to the BMW socket which was running my old homemade vest. (I wanted to wait and make certain I had the connections correct before hooking up the NEW Gerbing) I continued on until I started getting cold, and stopped at a rest area in NJ, and hooked up the connector that they gave me. (The new VFR has convent holes/slots right near the battery so it was easy) MMMMM. (In Homer Simpson voice) Warm! I didn't hook up the gloves because it was still quasi warm. THE TRIP HOME WAS A DIFFERENT STORY! After being home for Christmas for the entire week, the temperature no doubt, HAD to drop. When I left this past Sat., it was 28 degrees at 11:00 am. Soooo, by this time I quadruple checked the connections and hooked up both the gloves and the jacket liner through the BMW socket. (I had also purchased a 16 amp fuse to replace the stock BMW 8 amp) I must say the gloves are NICE! By the time I hit DE, my legs were cold but my hands were great. (Maybe next Christmas I can get the socks and pants!!) My only complaint about the liner is the elastic on the bottom. It tends to ride up. Very, very, very minor. The gloves take a bit to break in, but by the time I hit VA, they were fine. I only hit a high of about 41 degrees but that wasn't until the last leg in VA, most of the way it was ~ 30 - 37 degrees. I was wearing 400 gram thinsulate boots with 2 layers of socks but, it still wasn't enough. The outstanding part of the jacket is the thinness. I was going to buy the quilted liner but didn't on the recommendation of the rep at Cycles USA. (They also didn't have any in stock) The quality of the jacket is great. Unlike Widder, the connectors have some play in them, which I like. I feel less likely to tug on them and wind up with a break. Although the wires for the gloves are right in the sleeves, eliminating the need for a harness going around your shoulders, they are a PAIN when paying for tolls. I still would NOT trade them. They performed very well. My one disappointment was the failure of the thermostat. It was the only thing they didn't check before I rode off on Saturday. I plan on returning to Cycles USA today or tomorrow for a replacement. As it turned out, it was so cold, I just ran everything full bore the entire trip. The gloves got a bit hot but, I think with liners or the thermostat they would be fine. My rating for these products would be a 8.5 - 9 out of a possible 10. How do they compare to my homemade jobber? Well, the jacket liner has heated sleeves which made a definite difference on the trip home. I was the only motorcycle on the road on Sat., so that should tell you something. The thing I HATED about the homemade unit, is my inability to make a strong connectiong between the thin 30 gauge and the 16 gauge hook up adapter. Yes, the vest and gloves are expensive. Honestly, I would have been in serious trouble without them. When I finally made it home, I was able to run around unpack and make it back outside to wash the salt off the bike. IMPORTANT: If you've looked into Gerbings web site, you'll notice the LACK of any discount PLUS you have to pay shipping. If you purchase from Cycles USA, you get the requisite AMA 10% discount. For my purchase on Sat., I almost made my AMA membership back. Let me know if you have other questions. Hope you all had a great holiday! --John VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 09:28:55 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07259 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA18282 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:28:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv12-49.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.177) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018274; Mon Dec 28 08:27:54 1998 Message-ID: <003d01be326e$4532c8a0$b15e23c7@oemcomputer> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: PA Helmet repeal fails. Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:27:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE3244.5ADAB480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE3244.5ADAB480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pennsylvania Gov. Ridge Vetoes Helmet Repeal Bill Harrisburg, Pa., (AMN) Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge today vetoed Senate = Bill 279, which would have eliminated the requirement that motorcyclists = wear helmets. Gov. Ridge said he vetoed the bill because it also would = have repealed a requirement that motorcyclists wear protective eyewear. = The Governor believes that repealing this provision likely would cause = additional accidents For the record, I always wear a helmet, normally a full face, and eye = protection but I thought the lame excuse in vetoing the reform bill was = laughable. Besides there has been very little to stir this place up = lately ;)=20 Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE3244.5ADAB480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pennsylvania Gov. Ridge Vetoes Helmet = Repeal=20 Bill
Harrisburg, Pa., (AMN) Pennsylvania = Gov. Tom=20 Ridge today vetoed Senate Bill 279, which would have eliminated the = requirement=20 that motorcyclists wear helmets. Gov. Ridge said he vetoed the bill = because it=20 also would have repealed a requirement that motorcyclists wear = protective=20 eyewear. The Governor believes that repealing this provision likely = would cause=20 additional accidents
 
For the record, I always wear a helmet, normally = a full=20 face, and eye protection  but I thought the lame excuse in vetoing = the=20 reform bill was laughable.  Besides there has been very little to = stir this=20 place up lately ;) 
Ken S.
HDKnight1 on AOL Instant=20 messenger
1996 XLH 1200
Ride Safe
Inwood, = WV
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE3244.5ADAB480-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 09:42:28 1998 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07510 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:42:27 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3HVa025410 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:41:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:41:39 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Summit Point times Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 The absolute official lap record at the point is 1:10 and change. Would it be correct to conclude that bikes are faster on the straits and cars through the corners? Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 10:00:35 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07855 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-18.s18.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.18]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id KAA27781 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:00:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3687A2BC.24F66DFA@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:24:44 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Summit Point Times References: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED729@bdanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Cross wrote: > > > A survey of my head (cornerworker for 2 years) puts lap record at > > 1:17.84 > > (that right collin) - > > > > > It is now 1:16.84, set by Tim Bemisderfer. (from MARRC Home > page). > See Brian, I told ya so!! pllllbttthhh :-p His brother Brian's previous short lived record was 1:17.34 I believe. > > most fast people in the low~mid 20's - > > > Fast Expert on a built FZR400 does 1:22s. > Is that number 93 on the blue and white FZR?? That thing screams!! Is it a true FZR400 or is it a 560 conversion? I see it in a lot of races, so I'm guessing it's a true 400... From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 10:03:01 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07878 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD9E1DBC00A0; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:02:54 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981228100136.01830850@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:02:15 -0500 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: 2 strokes Re: more on VZ800 In-Reply-To: <852566E3.00731AB9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:59 PM 12/23/98 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >My "first" was a Suzuki RM125. I distinctly remember that when I rolled on >the throttle, and it hit the power band, it kept pushing me back causing me >to roll on the throttle more, and more, and more ... >--chris Yup ... that's how I wrecked my first mini-bike. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 10:03:01 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07879 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ADA11DBC00A0; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:02:57 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981228100254.01840270@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:06:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: weather In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DD00191@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, that was an interesting ride home Wednesday evening! I left DC about 4pm in light snow. No problems in DC or Arlington, with light snow, corn snow, and "dusty" roads. About the time I got to Falls Church, though, it was sleeting and the road was getting slippery enough that I couldn't hold full throttle going up one hill (or the rear wheel would spin). Even on the level stretches, I could break the rear wheel loose with a quick application of throttle. I kept my speed down and did all my turns with my feet (weighting the pegs) rather than countersteering. No problem. The worst was going the speed limit (25 mph) in the left lane, on snow, and an a**hole in a SUV passed me on the right. Chris Norloff At 04:52 PM 12/23/98 , O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Be careful out there, I just got a call from Tom and it's sleeting in >Springfield & very slippery in the cage. > >- Jeannette > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> I am in Ashburn. Ground is white already. >> ( 5 miles east of Leesburg, on Greenway.) >> >> _zjt >> -- >> ******************************************************************** >> Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX >> Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 10:24:55 1998 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08281 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([199.234.148.170]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 250; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:23:07 -0500 Message-ID: <3687A2B1.1AAC7A50@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:24:33 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: PA Helmet repeal fails. References: <003d01be326e$4532c8a0$b15e23c7@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FWIW, I have always admired Tom Ridge (he was my representative back when I lived in PA) and I think he made the right call. Too many stupid people out there would be trying to ride their bikes at speed on the highways with NO protection at all - I'd hate to have to run over a nice bike and dumb rider cause he lost it taking a bug to the face, or some other silly reason. Dale (the Horkster) > Ken wrote: > > Pennsylvania Gov. Ridge Vetoes Helmet Repeal Bill > Harrisburg, Pa., (AMN) Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge today vetoed Senate > Bill 279, which would have eliminated the requirement that > motorcyclists wear helmets. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 10:29:42 1998 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08393 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17341 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:29:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981228102412.009085b0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:24:12 -0500 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: RE: Summit Point Times In-Reply-To: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED729@bdanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:44 AM 12/28/98 -0500, David Cross wrote: > My best from my first season is 1:33.75 on a stock FZR400, I >thought that was pretty good until the fast novices fly by me like I was >standing still. My best time on a stock engined EX500 (55hp) with highly modified chassis was a high '26. Mostly I would do mid to low '27's. Rich, my team mate, does mid to low '25's with 25% more power (75hp). Brain Kraget does '22's on his FZR400. It has a modified motor, I have not seen the dyno prints on it. He is a fearsome racer, and its the fastest in the lightwgt ranks at summit, not incl the 125 GP or 750 Duc guys ccs allowed in last year. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 10:35:44 1998 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08559 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zuehZ-0001az-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:35:25 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12897 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:39:27 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED72D@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Summit Point Times Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:39:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain This from the 400 list: "You are talking about Brian Kcraget. I think his best time is a 1:21 something. He's a bloody fast rider. Rumor is that it's not a 560 bike....but I still think it's a superbike." Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 28, 1998 10:25 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: Re: Summit Point Times > > David Cross wrote: > > > > > A survey of my head (cornerworker for 2 years) puts lap record at > > > 1:17.84 > > > (that right collin) - > > > > > > > > It is now 1:16.84, set by Tim Bemisderfer. (from MARRC Home > > page). > > > > See Brian, I told ya so!! pllllbttthhh :-p > > His brother Brian's previous short lived record was 1:17.34 I believe. > > > > most fast people in the low~mid 20's - > > > > > Fast Expert on a built FZR400 does 1:22s. > > > > Is that number 93 on the blue and white FZR?? That thing screams!! > Is > it a true FZR400 or is it a 560 conversion? I see it in a lot of > races, > so I'm guessing it's a true 400... From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 10:37:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08573 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02024 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21543 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA22962; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981228153652.SDAW21813@toddnt>; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:36:52 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike T" , Subject: RE: t-shrts Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:38:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be3278$2cdf0430$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981227234726.00a2e590@www.troutman.org> Sean Sullivan is in the process of changing jobs. Like a lot of us, he uses his work email addy. I'm sure we'll hear something as soon as he gets reconnected. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike T [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 1998 11:48 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: t-shrts > > > Whats the status of the t-shirts? I sent in my money, but havent heard > anything. > > My email was down for a couple of days so...... > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 10:37:47 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08583 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5C728D00AE; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:37:43 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981228101323.017e8c30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:14:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: PARR Polar Bear ride this Friday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Who's going on the PARR Polar Bear Ride on Friday? Meet at the Sign of the Whale restaurant in Falls Church, starting times are from 9-12, I think. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 10:46:46 1998 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08788 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zuesG-0001oj-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:46:28 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14630 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:46:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:50:30 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED72F@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summit Point Times Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:50:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > My best time on a stock engined EX500 (55hp) with highly > modified chassis > was a high '26. Mostly I would do mid to low '27's. > > Wow, that is pretty damn fast! Dave "Feeling Mighty Slow" Cross > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 10:51:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08873 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02173 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21860 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:50:55 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FIMRa11667 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:50:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32a9572.3687a8b8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:50:16 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Exactly. You put it beautifully. In a message dated 12/26/98 10:43:15 PM, STARAI@XXXXXX writes: <> From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 10:52:05 1998 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08898 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:52:03 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3AEFa25410 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:49:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4600cb60.3687a86f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:49:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 thanks Zells! Here's hoping your holidays brought you everything you wished for. -Marcy In a message dated 12/25/98 2:40:47 AM, zellto@XXXXXX writes: <> From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 12:18:26 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10388 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA12488 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981228171751.SOQV21813@toddnt> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:17:51 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Valve Adjusting tools, for Honda Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:19:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001701be3286$48175e10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Found the tools I was looking for to finish the valve adjustment on the the VF500f. Comes as a kit with both types of locking nut wrenches and adjusting wrenches (3mm sq inset and flat-blade). Bought them from K&L Supply, along with a set of bent clearance gauges and a carb-synch adjusting screwdriver...Kewl!. Took no time at all with all the right tools. Now I'm scraping gaskets, and hopefully by the new year the carbs will be back on. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 13:19:17 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11496 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04167 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:19:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:19:09 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Insurance update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm finally insured on the new bike. I'm 29, married, home owner, male, live in PG County, and have 2 speeding tickets. The bike is a 98 Honda SuperHawk and is considered "high performance" by the insurance industry. In the end the price leader was Nationwide at $882/year. My previous insurance was with Allstate, where I've also got 3 cars and a house insured. I've had policies with them for 7 years. They wanted $2300/year. For motorcycle insurance alone State Farm wanted almost $700. However, they also required that I insure a car with them and they wanted double Allstate's rates with less than half the coverage on that (about $1600/year). Progressive wanted $1700. The worst quote, not surprisingly, was GEBCO at $3200/year. So, anyone up for a ride next Saturday? I've got to learn how to ride this thing... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 13:33:26 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11779 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:33:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812281833.NAA11779@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:33:20 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Insurance update Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:33:18 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) sit down, shut up, turn the key to 'ON', thumb the starter, pull in the clutch, snick it into first, twist the throttle allllll the way, drop the clutch and go.. you can worry about the rest when you get there... ;) OR.. you can let me show you how it can be ridden (Collin's offered to teach me sliding lessons).. *grin* promise not to bang it up to much.. ;) > -----Original Message----- > > So, anyone up for a ride next Saturday? I've got to learn how > to ride this > thing... > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 16:08:17 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14546 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-3.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.44]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA01262 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:08:12 -0500 Message-ID: <096e01be32a5$de98c8a0$2c10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: MC related career opportunities Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:05:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This just came through from the Vulcan list which is normally pretty credible re such issues. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Currently employed and treated right by Bill Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. **************** Vulcan post follows Received the attached two career opportunities available in the Chicago area for posting to the group. Contact information is noted with each opening. If you need more info let me know, I'll see what I can find out. toj - Nazareth, PA ~v~ #13 Black & Chrome 1500E1 ********************************************* --------- PROJECT/PRODUCT ENGINEER Do You Want Varied New Projects Related To Motorcycle Design? Freedom To Use Your Innovation and Creativity? To Work For The #1 Company In The U.S. In Its Industry? If so, let's talk. We are a growing, privately-owned manufacturer (61 years in the business) that designs customized motorcycle equipment for worldwide clients. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 18:00:46 1998 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16523 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([199.234.148.196]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 376; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: <36880D8F.1C367B4F@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:00:31 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear ride this Friday References: <4.1.19981228101323.017e8c30@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll most likely be there, barring any nasty hangovers or sudden ice storms. The Lady Horkster is also making noises about attending this year's inaugural ride. Last year she thought I was nuts. What a difference a year makes. :) Dale (the Horkster) Chris Norloff wrote: > > Who's going on the PARR Polar Bear Ride on Friday? > > Meet at the Sign of the Whale restaurant in Falls Church, starting times > are from 9-12, I think. > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 18:31:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17041 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07775 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02047 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust031.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.31]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA14614; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:31:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981228232734.006cc928@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:27:34 -0500 To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Gerbing Review (Longish) At 08:51 AM 12/28/98 -0500, Carver, John wrote: >Hello all, >I purchased the thin jacket liner and the water resistant gloves. >Cycles USA did not have a BMW socket, (surprise, NOT), so they gave me >an adapter to use in the mean time. I left Cycles USA for NJ, fully >packed and made one more stop at Bob's BMW for some Chili/stew/something >good. The John Deere electric plug and socket are the same as the BMW version and much cheaper. You'll probably have to order them anyway, I'm not sure how much call there is for them. I finally got to ride again today. Nice. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 18:41:34 1998 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17177 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:41:33 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UCMDa02707; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:39:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5e293a89.368816b0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:39:28 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear ride this Friday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 Please tell me more. I would be interested Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 28 23:21:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22058 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA10234 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA05555 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:17:39 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Leon Begeman" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Gerbing Review (Longish) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:22:57 -0500 Message-ID: <007301be32e2$e9a8bce0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19981228232734.006cc928@illuminet.net> It actually varies by dealer. I found that the plug was just as cheap at the BMW dealer, and they knew what I was talking about when I asked. (At the JD dealer, I got fed up with asking them for the product and just said 'look up this part number') ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 01:20:53 1998 Return-Path: Alpha@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA24111 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dynamics ([209.12.221.131]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 100 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:19:11 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:18:15 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE32C9.1C4A76D0.Alpha@tidalwave.net> From: Alpha To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Head count... Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:18:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 15 TEXT Hi all! I was wondering how many of you riders in the DC/VA area ride Ninjas or EX500's I think it would be nice to round up all the Ninja people and EX 500's and do a ride... Of course it wouldn't be exclusive but it seems like a nice thought to see so many Ninjas in one place... What do you all think lets start off the LAST YEAR OF THE MILLENIUM with a huge ride in January sometime towards the end of the month... (weather permitting) Well get back to me... Later Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 03:37:31 1998 Return-Path: kamuelle@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA27194 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 03:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from kamuelle (207-172-74-242.s242.tnt2.man.erols.com [207.172.74.242]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA14749 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 03:37:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981229034228.008c94e0@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: kamuelle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 03:42:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Mueller Subject: Re: Head count... In-Reply-To: <01BE32C9.1C4A76D0.Alpha@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" well, i ride an EX, but i dont think i'll be here at the end of the month :( (that whole college thing kinda gets in the way), however, if anyone wants to go before the middle of the month, i'd be happy to tag along. or if anyone is swinging down to the blacksburg, va area, just gimmie an email, and i can show you the NICEST twisties around there :) --Karl Mueller 89 (white/bondo-colored) EX500 At 01:18 AM 12/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all! >I was wondering how many of you riders in the DC/VA area ride Ninjas or >EX500's >I think it would be nice to round up all the Ninja people and EX 500's and >do a ride... >Of course it wouldn't be exclusive but it seems like a nice thought to see >so many Ninjas in one place... >What do you all think lets start off the LAST YEAR OF THE MILLENIUM with a >huge ride in January sometime towards the end of the month... (weather >permitting) > >Well get back to me... > >Later >Joe > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 06:57:47 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00945 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 06:57:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812291157.GAA00945@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 03:57:42 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Head count... Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 03:57:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Joe.. umm, buddy.. you're off by one year on the Millennium deal.. that's 2001 (think about it, when Jesus died, they started counting up from 1, not 0).. common mistake, which is proven by all the booked out 'Millennium' parties for 99~2000 date change.. :P *shrug*... Brian > -----Original Message----- > What do you all think lets start off the LAST YEAR OF THE > MILLENNIUM with a > huge ride in January sometime towards the end of the month... > > Later > Joe > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 07:59:41 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01973 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust033.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.33]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA29590; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:59:23 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981229125509.006cadec@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:55:09 -0500 To: "George Howell" , , From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Shaft vs. Chain To mount the oiler tube to the swingarm, I used zip ties where it was still just a hose. They supply a washer with a guide that goes on the axle. Finish it by sticking a piece of wire into the tubing to keep it stiff enough to stay put. By spending a couple of days looking at all the pieces, putting them together in various ways, and decyphering the Shakespearian instructions, it is possible to get something that will work. I wasn't able to get it right with the first two or three mockups however. It'll be at the PARR Polar Bear Ride Friday. Shouldn't be any trouble for anyone to look at it there. At 03:18 AM 12/28/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: >> Maintenance helps, but there is a point at which a new bike is needed. >> After a while, they stop being trouble-free. - - - Of course now I'll hear >> otherwise from the Beemer folks who just haven't ridden far enough yet. > >Not this one. I haven't (yet) seen a dead BMW. But I have heard of them. >Usually the death involves a cage. But supposedly, there's an R32 out there >that actually died of old age;) > >Seriously though, BMW's (and Wings) are VERY particular about keeping the >splines lubed. Forget that, and you're hosed to the tune of $1000+ Enough >for you to buy two bikes:) > >How did you mount the oiler tube to the swingarm? Got any easy way to take a >pic of it and send it via email? > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX >"I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > > > >> > >> >And speaking of maitanence, I was thinking about buying a Scott Oiler >> >for my bike. Does anyone have any experience with these? Do they work >> >well? And how bulky are they? I would like to hide the majority of it >> >and not sure if this is possible. >> >> I have a Scott Oiler. The touring version mounts behind the >> license plate >> and makes the plate about 1 inch or so thicker. It's quite noticeable if >> you know what you're looking for, less so on some bikes than >> other. I have >> the standard version. It's about the size of an 8oz baby bottle (racer's >> use them to catch overflow.) I have it zip tied to the front fork. It's >> hidden behind the fairing. >> >> If you don't ride your bike during the week, don't waste your money on it. >> I like it because I can go 1000 miles without checking the chain (and >> sometimes do) It's also nice for the day after it rains, and I don't have >> the time to oil the chain before I go to work. >> >> >> Leon Begeman >> Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 >> Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped >> >> > > Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 08:15:51 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02313 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:15:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust033.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.33]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA29957; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:16:39 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981229131224.00903724@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:12:24 -0500 To: Alpha , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Head count... At 01:18 AM 12/29/98 -0500, Alpha wrote: >Hi all! >I was wondering how many of you riders in the DC/VA area ride Ninjas or >EX500's >I think it would be nice to round up all the Ninja people and EX 500's and >do a ride... The PARR Polar Bear Ride will be held on January 1st at Sign of the Whale in Loehmann's Plaza Rt 50, just inside the Beltway in Falls Church, VA Sign up is from 9-noon. Come early, this is a social event with few miles of riding just to keep it interesting. If I remember there's a SuperBowl party toward the end of the month. The dirt road ride for SuperBowl Sunday is still on. Anyone who wants to practice riding some roads with only moderate traction are invited. Other Ninja's are welcome. We'll end the ride at the party. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 08:17:59 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02328 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A6835BF502A6; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:17:55 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981229075406.00fc3020@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:54:53 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Head count... In-Reply-To: <199812291157.GAA00945@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ah, yes. But the really savvy people will use the opportunity to celebrate TWICE! :-) Chris Norloff At 06:57 AM 12/29/98 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >Joe.. umm, buddy.. you're off by one year on the Millennium deal.. that's >2001 (think about it, when Jesus died, they started counting up from 1, not >0).. common mistake, which is proven by all the booked out 'Millennium' >parties for 99~2000 date change.. :P > >*shrug*... > >Brian > >> -----Original Message----- >> What do you all think lets start off the LAST YEAR OF THE >> MILLENNIUM with a >> huge ride in January sometime towards the end of the month... >> >> Later >> Joe >> >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 08:17:59 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02329 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A6845BF502A6; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:17:56 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981229075457.00fc87f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:04:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: PARR Polar Bear ride info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I got this from PARR (Potomac Area Road Riders) for their annual Polar Bear. This is my and Leon Begeman's favorite ride. Lots of interesting people and high-mileage bikes. No poseurs. Based on the years I've gone (about the last 7 years, with one miss) PARR will have a short and long version of the ride. Short will probably be about 50 mi., long will be about 100 mi. Chris Norloff ********************************************************************** 16th Annual PARR Polar Bear Run January 1, 1999 Our 1999 run starts from the Sign of the Whale restaurant, 7279 Arlington Blvd, Falls Church, VA (703-573-1616) Registration is 9:00am to noon and is $8 for AMA members, $9 for non-AMA. Directions: From the DC Beltway in Virginia, take Rte. 50 East 1.3 miles, then turn right into Loehmann's Plaza and the Sign of the Whale. The Sign of the Whale will have a $7 breakfast buffet (includes gratuity) just for PARR-ticipants (NOT included in registration fee) LAW RIDE patches will be on sale for $3.50 each. For more information call 703-971-6844. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 08:18:01 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02331 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A6855BF502A6; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:17:57 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981229081817.018e56c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:18:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Around the World Following the Sun Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FYI >Bernarda Benka Pulko >Around the World Following the Sun >www.ardi.si/benka > > >Happy, happy and all the best, this time from the end of the world, from >the bottom of the South America where me and my bike getting ready to >explore Antarctica in a couple a days. > >best winter regards, Benka and BMW From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 08:18:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02336 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15728 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA11379 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A6815BF502A6; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:17:56 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981229080946.018e1b20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:13:59 -0500 To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Gerbing Review (Longish) In-Reply-To: <007301be32e2$e9a8bce0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <1.5.4.32.19981228232734.006cc928@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From http://www.ibmwr.org/otech/partsubs.html#accessplug the male plug is John Deere #RE1134 $7.3 the female socket is JD #AL25073 $3.8 Also, you can order them from Widder (http://www.widder.com) - I think I paid about $9 each, including shipping. Chris Norloff P.S. Personally, I think they're enormous, clunky things! Their advantage is that the accessory socket(s) are already in place on the BMW. I'm surprised that BMW used such a big, heavy thing, with a metal point sticking out (!) all set to scratch a fancy paint job. At 11:22 PM 12/28/98 , George Howell wrote: >It actually varies by dealer. I found that the plug was just as cheap at the >BMW dealer, and they knew what I was talking about when I asked. (At the JD >dealer, I got fed up with asking them for the product and just said 'look up >this part number') > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX >"I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 08:19:52 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02349 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:19:50 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zuz3a-0006s8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:19:30 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28452 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA19389 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:19:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812291319.IAA19389@shell.clark.net> Subject: Screen saver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:19:46 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Does anyone know of a screensaver for a PC that has motorcycles riding around the screen? I've been searching for something like that, but the only ones I have been able to find are screen savers that run through slide shows of motorcycle pictures. I want movement! :-) Heck, I'd even be willing to pay for a screensaver that had that feature. I've heard rumors that one like that was available at Harley dealerships, but the two I went to (Ocean City; Manassas) didn't have it. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 09:01:01 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03165 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:00:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zuzhc-0002eN-02; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:00:52 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:58:39 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DD001A4@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , Alpha , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Head count... Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:57:29 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, the Superbowl party is still on. It will be at our house (Arlington), details to follow soon, sorry, we've been busy with the holidays! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 > If I remember there's a SuperBowl party toward the end of the month. > The > dirt road ride for SuperBowl Sunday is still on. Anyone who wants to > practice riding some roads with only moderate traction are invited. > Other > Ninja's are welcome. We'll end the ride at the party. > > Leon Begeman > Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 > Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 09:13:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03335 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16286 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA11979 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Tue Dec 29 09:04 EST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA25883 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE330C.E0A8B710@XXXXXX>; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:23:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Chain too tight? Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:23:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, I recently tightened the chain on my VFR800 and now I am left wondering if I've made it too tight. I realize that if it is too tight I would run into problems w/ the suspension not being able to travel fully. I tightened it to spec (I believe), but I checked a NEW VFR800 at Cycles USA and it, (the new one), seemed looser. I base this on the effort it takes me to push the chain with one finger on the underside of the swing arm up to the "rubber thingy" above the chain protecting the swingarm. All checking on the new and my VFR was done on the centerstand. (Maybe old vs. new is not a good comparison??) Is my chain too tight? What other indications should I look for? I always try to error on the side of too loose vs. too tight. TIA. John From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 09:24:19 1998 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03521 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id JAA03330; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:20:17 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa03150; Tue, 29 Dec 98 09:19:12 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F4Q0038CDBMRZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566E9.00572C9C ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:17:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:17:50 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear ride info To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566E9.004D6897.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL Maybe this is an ignorant question due to my recent conversion to two-wheeled transportation, but why does it cost money to go on this ride? Does the money go to some worthy cause, or is it socked away under the ride leader's mattress? Is there something significant about PARR that would make the answers to these questions obvious? Chris Weaver Seca II ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 09:26:20 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03538 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:26:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812291426.JAA03538@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 06:26:15 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Chain too tight? Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 06:26:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Ok, more rantings from me (sheesh).. I believe most bike manufactures recomend between 1/2" and 3/4" of free play with the bike on the side stand (weight on the rear wheel). If you really want to get technical, you should have just a small ammount of play in the chain (1~2mm) when the suspention is fully compressed. This allows for full suspention movement, and saves your chain and sprockets from undue stress which can, and often does, lead to failure (not fun, trust me). Personally, I check my chain while sitting on the bike, and expect it to move no more than 1/2" - this might change as I redo all my suspention this winter.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 09:51:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04018 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16596 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12420 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA00875; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981229145011.GLAQ652@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:50:11 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "George Howell" , "Leon Begeman" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Gerbing Review (Longish) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:52:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be333a$d2f9ab50$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007301be32e2$e9a8bce0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> I've never seen the plug and socket combination for anything less than $20. The JD sets I bought were $8. Where are you shopping George? I'd like to pick up the BMW socket as it is spring loaded. Todd > It actually varies by dealer. I found that the plug was just as > cheap at the > BMW dealer, and they knew what I was talking about when I asked. > (At the JD > dealer, I got fed up with asking them for the product and just > said 'look up > this part number') > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 10:05:06 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04274 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:05:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AF9D133026C; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:05:01 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981229100908.018ea210@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:11:24 -0500 To: "Christopher A. Weaver" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear ride info In-Reply-To: <852566E9.004D6897.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Insurance is probably the biggest thing. There's also the printing costs of the route sheets (tank bag size and full size). And the year bar for the Polar Bear pin (the year bar is included, the Polar Bear pin to hang it on you have to buy). That's all I can think of. And no, PARR doesn't get rich off this. They are one of the most low-key and informal groups of people I've ever known. Chris Norloff At 09:17 AM 12/29/98 , Christopher A. Weaver wrote: >Maybe this is an ignorant question due to my recent conversion to >two-wheeled transportation, but why does it cost money to go on this ride? >Does the money go to some worthy cause, or is it socked away under the ride >leader's mattress? Is there something significant about PARR that would >make the answers to these questions obvious? > >Chris Weaver >Seca II >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 10:09:29 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04299 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:09:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981229151429.23457.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send202.yahoomail.com; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:14:29 PST Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:14:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Chain too tight? To: "Carver, John" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rotate the rear wheel until the tightest spot on the chain is at the bottom of its run. Check with you on the bike in your normal riding posture (this means two people are needed), some manufacturers call for .5 inch (12.7 mm to Collin), some for 2 inches (50.8 mm to COllin), some for anywhere in between. Generally speaking a little too loose is better than a little too tight. Don't go by what's on a showroom bike. I know what kind of idiots they have putting bikes together and fixing them, I used to be one of them. Ray ---"Carver, John" wrote: > > Hey all, > > I recently tightened the chain on my VFR800 and now I am left wondering > if I've made it too tight. I realize that if it is too tight I would > run into problems w/ the suspension not being able to travel fully. > > I tightened it to spec (I believe), but I checked a NEW VFR800 at Cycles > USA and it, (the new one), seemed looser. I base this on the effort it > takes me to push the chain with one finger on the underside of the swing > arm up to the "rubber thingy" above the chain protecting the swingarm. > All checking on the new and my VFR was done on the centerstand. (Maybe > old vs. new is not a good comparison??) > > Is my chain too tight? What other indications should I look for? I > always try to error on the side of too loose vs. too tight. > > TIA. > > John > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 10:36:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04838 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17059 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13205 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:32:12 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "Leon Begeman" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Gerbing Review (Longish) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:37:37 -0500 Message-ID: <00b401be3341$295ffd40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000301be333a$d2f9ab50$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> The plugs are the same price at Morton's as they were at my local JD dealer. I never checked the price on the sockets however (I bought two sockets before finding out that the JD dealer had them) and it seems that they are MUCH cheaper at the JD dealer than Morton's. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 11:13:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05454 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17537 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13871 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:13:25 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id OXVSa20653 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:12:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <380a0a3f.3688ff7b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:12:43 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Chain too tight? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 In a message dated 12/29/98 10:13:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, raymondlucas@XXXXXX writes: << Generally speaking a little too loose is better than a little too tight. >> Aside from the previously mentioned advanced chain and sprocket wear problems, a too tight chain causes heavy stress on the main crankshaft bearings and in prolonged running (and extreme cases) can cause bearing failure. Basically the bearing collapses and leaves a huge hole in your crank case. Not a pretty sight. As for the mention on seeing this in the dealership, take Rays advice and do NOT use that as a specification. I had Coleman's put on a new chain and sprockets for me awhile back. After riding home I wondered why I could so much more easily pull HUGE wheelies that I couldnt before. The answer was the genius technician forget to put ANY slack in the chain. It was completely tight. Go by the manufacturers specs and its a good idea to leave it a bit more loose than even they specify as theirs specs are usually a bit tight. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 12:30:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06772 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18396 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA15195 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:30:05 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id GAUTa23181; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:29:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:29:24 EST To: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Chain too tight? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/29/98 9:18:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, jcarver@XXXXXX writes: << Is my chain too tight? What other indications should I look for? I always try to error on the side of too loose vs. too tight. >> I would err on the side of looseness over tightness. A tight change puts alot of strain on the pinion shaft and can cause future problems, as well as making shifting seem clunky and stiffer than normal. In any case I like to use the manufacturers recommended tension with the bike's rear suspension compressed and a little looser than the manufacturers tension when the bike is on a stand without my weight on it. I also like to roll the bike's wheel 360 degrees and check the tension at various points, making sure the tension is per recommendation, suspension compressed, at the tightest point. There is an English guy who wrote a long piece on his 100,000 mile 86-VFR and he recommends doubling the specified tension for longevity. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 12:34:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06798 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18429 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA15291 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:34:17 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5IBEa14551; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:33:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:33:11 EST To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Chain too tight? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/29/98 11:19:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << a too tight chain causes heavy stress on the main crankshaft bearings and in prolonged running (and extreme cases) can cause bearing failure. >> I'd be interested in knowing how a tight chain can cause a main crankshaft bearing failure? It's a new one for me. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 13:46:12 1998 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08120 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:45:31 -0500 Message-ID: <43CE126D7B6AD111A5910000F80154B50167440E@wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Connectors Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:45:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Re Leon Begeman's comment: Seen on SabMag: Subject: BMW power socket for electrics There's a discussion on the VFR list about the BMW type power socket/plug and it's relatively high price. One lister found a cheaper source in the US (see below) > The BMW socket was expensive at ~$40, but it was by far the best option You can get the same socket/plug (made in Germany) at your nearest John Deere dealer for about one-fourth the price. The only difference is the cap; the BMW is springloaded and the John Deere has a plastic hinge. Socket is part number AL25073 Plug is part number RE11344 Also discussed on SabMag were the Radio Shack polar connectors Radio Shack's 270-026. They're about 5 cm long and 15 mm wide. Up side: it's $1.49 for a full set; They've worked just fine for my grip heaters (>1 year) and relay to driving lights. Downside: They're difficult to separate when new so dunno about using on a vest. Dunno side: Rated at 5 amps with 22 AWG (looks like 18 to me) Last is a comment on Widder Connectors From: Mike Stewart Subject: Widder Connector Abuse Mr. Ryder had expressed concern about the fragility of the Widder connector. David had said that the connector might break under the stress of being stepped upon or other such damage. As promised, I abused the spares I had in the tankbag and I now report the results, if only to measure the amount of shite of which Mr. Ryder is full (can't end a sentence in a preposition, you know). So as to lend objectivity to the test, it should be made clear that I am not on the Widder, Inc. payroll. Granted, Pat pays me a stipend for riding to Daytona, Sturgis and such, but rest assured that this does not effect my judgment in the slightest. After all, it's *always* warm in Daytona, right? And you can believe me when I say that Sturgis, SD is fookin' hot in August. So I've no need of electrics for those rallies, right? Like I said, objective. First, I put on the Alpinestars and proceeded to stomp upon the connectors (both male and female) in an attempt to break them. A mild stomp did nothing. I then proceeded to stomp harshly upon the connectors. As no damage was evident, I proceeded to leap up and down upon the connectors. Try as I might, I could not cause damage with the relatively soft soles of the Alpinestar GP boots, no matter how hard I stomped. Thinking that my frail frame might not carry the weight necessary to damage the connectors, I placed a 45lbs. Olympic bar upon my shoulders and repeated the tests. Still, no damage. I added 120lbs. of weight to the bar, for a total of 165lbs. (equal to over my own weight...or so I'd have you believe), and repeated the tests. The connectors held fast, though my thighs did begin to quiver after a bit, and not because I find Widder female connectors attractive, I assure you. Next, I pulled the 5 US oz. soft-faced hammer out of the toolbox. I proceeded to whack upon the male and female connectors in an effort to induce damage. Light and medium blows induced no damage. It was not until I whacked with enthusiasm (i. e., "whack like a m*****fewker") that the female connector let loose of a small bit of plastic. The connector would have still been functional, IMO, as just a wee bit of insulating plastic disappeared under the toolbox. I proceeded to whack with all my might with the wee hammer, only to be met with resistance. Fine, it's time to pull out the big guns: the 24 US oz. Craftsman ball-peen hammer. Light taps caused no damage. Medium taps caused bits of plastic to fly off, but the connectors still functioned and the exposed metal could not be caused to short, despite exposure to ground/hot electrical sources (exposed metal contacts were still insulated by surrounding plastic). Okay, time for some *real* abuse... Big, honkin' taps caused...well, they caused the connectors to fly into little bits of plastic and metal. CONCLUSION: Seems to me that the Widder connectors can sustain the abuse that most bikers can deliver. I've used Widder connectors for over a year/40Kmiles and they've held up, FWIW (and, given that it's one biker's experience, it's definitely a "IMO" data point). My tests indicate that you'd have to beat the shite out them to get any kind of functional failure. Ever heft a 24 US oz. hammer in your hands? Heavy, innit? Imagine your skull being whacked with it. Expecting your vest connector to survive a heavy blow from such a hammer is asking a bit much, I'd think, especially when one considers how often their vest connector will be required to sustain such a blow. Widder connectors have their downside, as David has pointed out. Weakness, IMO, is not one of them. 'sfar as I can tell, the Ron Major idea of using coax connectors is the only alternative for me (and, no, David, they're not the same as you described. I'll try to run to Radio Snack and find out what they are *really* named. Not the same as Ethernet/TV coax, as you described.) Carl in Bethesda. Weather looking good for Friday. Where is Sign of the Whale? What's the starting time? 9-12? From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 14:21:35 1998 Return-Path: Kittyjrn@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08758 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:21:33 -0500 (EST) From: Kittyjrn@XXXXXX Received: from Kittyjrn@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5VLLa23173 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:20:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:20:51 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Head Count. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 I own a Ninja 500 but I live in Columbia, MD. That's close enough. Sounds like a great idea. Count me in. Kitty KittyJRN@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 16:15:32 1998 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10721 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id QAA26643; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:12:41 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma026530; Tue, 29 Dec 98 16:12:02 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F4Q009OZWE6Z5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566E9.0074325E ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:09:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:09:29 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: Slow List... New Models? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566E9.007318EF.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL My my, it's a slow list today. That, combined with half of my office going on vacation this week prompts me to offer a topic of conversation. I thought perhaps we could update each other on when the new models appear in our local shops so that we know when to stop by and check them out. Kawasaki seems to be the fastest off of the mark in this area. So far, the two shops I visit most often (Manassas Honda and Cycle Sport Herndon) have both had the new 1100 Eddie Lawson bike. The sales guy at Manassas said they'll be the fastest bike in production up to 90 mph (for what that's worth). Manassas Honda also had one of the new dark purple ZX6Rs - nice, but looked pretty much black to me. They had a '99 ZX9R also, with the odd new purple and green smudge paintscheme. I can't say I cared for it any more in person than I did when I saw it on the web. No sign of the new Honda F4 yet - salesmen seem to think it'll be late January before they'll be in. None of the new Suzukis (sv650 & Eyeabuser) seem to be around yet either. Any other sightings? Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 16:57:05 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11419 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:57:03 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MPTKa18626; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:56:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3f344080.36895008@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:56:24 EST To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Chain too tight? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/29/98 12:48:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, WantA ZX6 writes: << The tight chain under suspension load will "pull" on the countershaft sprocket and subsequently the crankshaft as well. The main bearing is just inside the crankcase. The force will basically tear a hole in the case. This is a mental explanation...wish I had a motor diagram. Already happened to a TL rider when his chain was too tight. Also saw it on a VFR awhile back. Like I said, its extreme cases but it does happen. >> The only mechanical connection between the crankshaft and the drive train is on the right side of the engine on a VFR. This connection is between the drive gear on the right side end of the crankshaft and the gear around the clutch housing. The clutch is on the main shaft 's right and gears on this shaft engage gears on the countershaft, which has the pinion gear which the chain goes around on the left side. With bearings on each end and gears in the middle, the countershaft could not possibly "pull" on the crankshaft with an overly tight chain. It (countershaft) would, if distorted by being pulled towards the back of the bike on the left side (the side the pinion is on) by a tight chain, tend to pull the gears on the left side closer to the gears on the mainshaft, making shifting harder, and possibly ? tend to "push" the clutch housing on the right end of the mainshaft, closer to the main drive gear sitting on the right end of the crankshaft under severe load, maybe. So I can't understand how a tight chain could possibly affect the crankshaft. I welcome any corrections to my hypothesis however. Ciao, From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 17:04:26 1998 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11533 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA23649; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:04:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:04:54 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dcc Subject: Problem with Va DMV---suggestions? In-Reply-To: <43CE126D7B6AD111A5910000F80154B50167440E@wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi...I have a problem with Va. DMV/MVA, looking for suggestions/advice. I let the insurance for a vehicle expire (it's more complicated, but that's the gist) and did not turn in the tags in order to continue to park on the street. Vehicle was not used, except to get it inspected (plus one emergency-help situation). Recently went to DMV and was told that (1) my license had been suspended as a result; (2) I couldn't get renewal tags for another vehicle; (3) they want some $400 "uninsured vehicle" fine, plus, probably other costs. Ideas? Similar experience? Is lawyer likely to be helpful/cost- effective? Thanks. --garcia "Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?" From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 18:22:25 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12876 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-6.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.47]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA02184; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:22:20 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01be3381$c3618ae0$2f10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Christopher A. Weaver" , Subject: Re: Slow List... New Models? Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:20:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 -----Original Message----- From: Christopher A. Weaver >My my, it's a slow list today. ...snip As the rusty freighter captain lamented . . . Ah yes. Well, Battley's is demoing the new Yamaha Road Stars. 1602cc, 99 ftlbs. 301 948 4581 ask for Bernie or Larry for an appointment. Or find a lesser vehicle at the Auto Show. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 City-sized Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 18:55:13 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13411 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:55:12 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UAKLa02637; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:52:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a09b5e9.36896b4a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:52:42 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Head count... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 12/29/98 7:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: > > Joe.. umm, buddy.. you're off by one year on the Millennium deal.. that's > 2001 (think about it, when Jesus died, they started counting up from 1, not > 0).. common mistake, which is proven by all the booked out 'Millennium' > parties for 99~2000 date change.. :P > > *shrug*... In about 500 AD, a bunch of monks guessed when year 0 occured. I think the count was from the estimated birth. I think they were off 6 years by current estimates. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 19:27:42 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14011 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:27:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981230002829.22351.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.193.37] by send203.yahoomail.com; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:28:29 PST Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:28:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Head count... To: STARAI@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's the year 5798, we've got a ways to go for a millenium. ---STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 12/29/98 7:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > Joe.. umm, buddy.. you're off by one year on the Millennium deal.. that's > > 2001 (think about it, when Jesus died, they started counting up from 1, not > > 0).. common mistake, which is proven by all the booked out 'Millennium' > > parties for 99~2000 date change.. :P > > > > *shrug*... > > In about 500 AD, a bunch of monks guessed when year 0 occured. I think the > count was from the estimated birth. I think they were off 6 years by current > estimates. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 21:13:07 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15765 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29171 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:13:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:13:00 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: SpeedVision problem in north PG county? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is anyone else w/Jones cable in north PG county having problems with speedvision? I'm just getting a black screen. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 29 23:46:13 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA18070 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:32:25 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Christopher A. Weaver" , Subject: RE: Slow List... New Models? Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:37:58 -0500 Message-ID: <016101be33ae$2cf173e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <852566E9.007318EF.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> ACP had an Eddie Lawson two or three weeks ago. It was gone this past Saturday:( Anybody spots a Honda Interstate or Yamaha bagger, let me know. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 00:03:00 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18299 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:02:58 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VKIYa25631 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:59:52 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <31d37b41.3689b348@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:59:52 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: travelling in style Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 any one ride today? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 01:30:25 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA19617 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (user-38lcivd.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.237]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA29344; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:30:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01be33bd$b66ec1e0$ed4b56d1@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Tom Zell" To: "Garcia Oliver" Cc: Subject: Re: Problem with Va DMV---suggestions? Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:29:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 The DMV is EXTREMELY tight about insurance requirements and I doubt that a lawyer will be able to help you. You will have to pay the $400 and most likely will need to get an SR-22 endorsement added to your insurance as a result. This same thing happens to folks in VA all the time. This is a result of having way too many people driving around without insurance. I had this happen to me (as well as some friends) and all you can do is pay it and never ever do it again. -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Garcia Oliver To: dcc Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 5:04 PM Subject: Problem with Va DMV---suggestions? > >Hi...I have a problem with Va. DMV/MVA, looking for >suggestions/advice. > >I let the insurance for a vehicle expire (it's more complicated, >but that's the gist) and did not turn in the tags in order to >continue to park on the street. Vehicle was not used, except to >get it inspected (plus one emergency-help situation). > >Recently went to DMV and was told that (1) my license had been >suspended as a result; (2) I couldn't get renewal tags for >another vehicle; (3) they want some $400 "uninsured vehicle" >fine, plus, probably other costs. > >Ideas? Similar experience? Is lawyer likely to be helpful/cost- >effective? > >Thanks. > > >--garcia > >"Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?" > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 03:24:03 1998 Return-Path: kamuelle@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA22143 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from kamuelle (207-172-73-26.s26.tnt1.man.erols.com [207.172.73.26]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA12583 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:23:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981230032300.008cb660@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: kamuelle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:23:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Mueller Subject: Re: Problem with Va DMV---suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <43CE126D7B6AD111A5910000F80154B50167440E@wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ahh yes, the Virginia DMV... sent me a letter explaining that a car i didn't own anymore wasn't insured on a certain date (they just mentioned that date, july 6th, if i recall). well, i called my USAA and explained that: yes, i did own the car at the time; yes, i DID call you when i bought it to put it on the policy. she politely told me that there was a "problem" with the way it was entered. i told her that i called to have it added, and since there was a record of my call, she sent the VDMV a letter saying that it was insured for july 6th. haven't heard anything from the DMV again, and i still have my licence. i would suggest making up something similar to your insurance company, and have them send a letter to the DMV ;) --Karl At 05:04 PM 12/29/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi...I have a problem with Va. DMV/MVA, looking for >suggestions/advice. > >I let the insurance for a vehicle expire (it's more complicated, >but that's the gist) and did not turn in the tags in order to >continue to park on the street. Vehicle was not used, except to >get it inspected (plus one emergency-help situation). > >Recently went to DMV and was told that (1) my license had been >suspended as a result; (2) I couldn't get renewal tags for >another vehicle; (3) they want some $400 "uninsured vehicle" >fine, plus, probably other costs. > >Ideas? Similar experience? Is lawyer likely to be helpful/cost- >effective? > >Thanks. > > >--garcia > >"Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?" > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 07:21:03 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25913 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:21:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812301221.HAA25913@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:22:06 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: travelling in style Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:20:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I ride everyday.. till someone wants to give me a car.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: STARAI@XXXXXX [mailto:STARAI@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 12:00 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: travelling in style > > > any one ride today? > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 09:06:18 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA27453 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A34A68B023E; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:06:02 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981230090833.00fd5f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:12:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: What a strange morning! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What a strange morning! First, I can barely get the cover off the cycle 'cause the cover is frozen and stiff as a board. Good thing I have a new cover on order, because this one has leaked and there's puddles of water on the saddlebags. Then my ABS never sets -- and boy do I feel naked without it! I stopped for an errand, and when I came back out the puddles of water had frozen solid! I'd left my suit lying on the bike, and the summer armor was as hard as a rock. That made it a whole lot harder to put on, as I curved the armor manually to get it to form to my body so I could get the zippers closed. Then my electric vest died. Sheesh! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 09:30:30 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27816 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:30:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812301430.JAA27816@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:30:25 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: What a strange morning! Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:29:03 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) yikes.. it's THAT cold out? It was still 38 when I left home at 6am this morning.. roads were wet, but not overly slick.. and I didn't find ice anywhere.. huh... hope I'll be ok getting home tonight.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > I stopped for an errand, and when I came back out the puddles > of water had > frozen solid! I'd left my suit lying on the bike, and the > summer armor was > as hard as a rock. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 09:43:54 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27964 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zvMqk-0003he-00; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:43:50 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:41:32 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB52@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc'" Subject: Cold Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:40:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, question for everyone who owns electrics... What is the coldest temperature you've ridden in with your electrics on and still felt comfortable...and I do mean COMFORTABLE, not barely staying above freezing. The lowest temp I've ridden in was 28 (last year's Polar Bear ride with CAMS) but that's 'cause it was a very mild winter and it was my first winter riding. This year I think it will get a bit colder, it looks like (?) and after I get my new battery this weekend I plan to ride through it! So, help me out, let me know when it gets a bit TOO cold for you all with electrics out there! By the way, I do not own electric pants. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 09:52:10 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28144 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA05290; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981230145104.TNKK652@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:51:04 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Garcia Oliver" , "dcc" Subject: RE: Problem with Va DMV---suggestions? Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:53:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be3404$1e10e5d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal >From DMVs home page http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/freq2.htm#insure: "Insurance requirements To purchase plates or decals, you must certify that the vehicle is covered by the minimum insurance requirements or pay the uninsured motorist fee. Your insurance carrier must be authorized to transact business in Virginia. Virginia requires the following minimum coverage Bodily injury/death of one person $25,000 Bodily injury/death of two or more persons $50,000 Property damage $20,000 Registering or driving a vehicle without insurance or without paying the uninsured motor vehicle fee could result in fines and other penalties. Note: If you cancel insurance on a vehicle, or sell, trade or dispose of the vehicle, be sure to notify DMV so we can deactivate or transfer your vehicle registration." Check out this VA State code on vehicle insurance: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-706 And this one which pretty much spells out a Class 3 misdemeanor http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-707 I don't know if cosulting a lawyer would do much good, but they'll usually advise for a small fee. But really, if you can not prove that you NOT driving a registered, tagged vehicle, I think they got you. What will end up happening is you will pay the fines and then pay an extra fee to your insurance company for SR-22. Todd (Insurance companies in the back pocket of you and your legislator) Garcia Olivar wrote: > Hi...I have a problem with Va. DMV/MVA, looking for > suggestions/advice. > > I let the insurance for a vehicle expire (it's more complicated, > but that's the gist) and did not turn in the tags in order to > continue to park on the street. Vehicle was not used, except to > get it inspected (plus one emergency-help situation). > > Recently went to DMV and was told that (1) my license had been > suspended as a result; (2) I couldn't get renewal tags for > another vehicle; (3) they want some $400 "uninsured vehicle" > fine, plus, probably other costs. > > Ideas? Similar experience? Is lawyer likely to be helpful/cost- > effective? > > Thanks. > > > --garcia > > "Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?" > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 09:53:49 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28154 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:53:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: What a strange morning! Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:48:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Yeah it was a weird morning. When I left the house it was around 36 or so. Since I cage it to work I had rain drops on my windshield. I hit the wipers and it suddenly froze onto the glass. Glenn > yikes.. it's THAT cold out? It was still 38 when I left home at 6am this > morning.. roads were wet, but not overly slick.. and I didn't find ice > anywhere.. > > huh... hope I'll be ok getting home tonight.. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 10:03:22 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28345 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05842 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:03:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:03:16 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Cold In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB52@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > What is the coldest temperature you've ridden in with your electrics on > and still felt comfortable...and I do mean COMFORTABLE, not barely > staying above freezing. The lowest temp I've ridden in was 28 Well, today it was about 28 when I came in to work. I had my electric vest, a light fleece jacket, and my aerostich suit on. I haven't hooked up the electrics on the new bike so I was just working with body heat. After 15 miles on the beltway I was just a touch sweaty. Oh, the light fleece jacket was about $115 and really makes the difference... The aerostich doesn't really have insulation. In other words, 28 ain't cold. :) I've done a 2 hour ride with the vest on when it was about 15dF. I've commuted in single digit temps. The more time you spend out in the cold the less "cold" temperatures feel uncomfortable. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 10:06:13 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28432 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A15E5DF502A6; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:06:06 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981230095531.00fdf980@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:57:00 -0500 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: What a strange morning! In-Reply-To: <199812301430.JAA27816@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It was 30 deg. F at my house in Fall Church. I found ice in parking lots, but none on the roads. Nevertheless, I chose to ride in the middle of the lane many times, to stay out of the shiny wheel tracks (water/ice?) and to take advantage of the sand. You know you're a winter rider when sand looks good, 'cause it's better than ice. :-) Chris Norloff At 09:29 AM 12/30/98 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >yikes.. it's THAT cold out? It was still 38 when I left home at 6am this >morning.. roads were wet, but not overly slick.. and I didn't find ice >anywhere.. > >huh... hope I'll be ok getting home tonight.. > >Brian > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> I stopped for an errand, and when I came back out the puddles >> of water had >> frozen solid! I'd left my suit lying on the bike, and the >> summer armor was >> as hard as a rock. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 10:06:30 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28442 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A1635DF502A6; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:06:11 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981230095724.00fce300@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:02:11 -0500 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Cold In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB52@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Electrics are just one part of the picture. An electric vest and no other warm gear will not keep you warm. And people's response to cold varies so much (my legs seldom need much, but my torso does). "Comfortable" is also a relative term, because you can be comfortable for 30 min. but not an hour, or comfortable for 2 hr. but not for all day. All that said, I'm good down to about 10 deg. F for short rides, and 25-30 deg. F for all day. Chris Norloff At 09:40 AM 12/30/98 , O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Ok, question for everyone who owns electrics... >What is the coldest temperature you've ridden in with your electrics on >and still felt comfortable...and I do mean COMFORTABLE, not barely >staying above freezing. The lowest temp I've ridden in was 28 (last >year's Polar Bear ride with CAMS) but that's 'cause it was a very mild >winter and it was my first winter riding. This year I think it will get >a bit colder, it looks like (?) and after I get my new battery this >weekend I plan to ride through it! So, help me out, let me know when it >gets a bit TOO cold for you all with electrics out there! By the way, I >do not own electric pants. > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 10:07:56 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28452 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:07:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812301507.KAA28452@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:07:51 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Boot Repair.. Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:07:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Ok, I realize we've gone over this before.. but I can't find the info in the archives (I'm a lame net-turd today).. I need my boots repaired. New Vibram soles, and some stitching replaced... recommendations on shops? Obviously, phone numbers will help me :) And I'd like to give preference to those located closer to College Park, MD... Anyone able to help? Thanks in advance everyone.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 10:17:41 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28640 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zvNNR-0007Ce-01; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:17:37 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:15:21 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB59@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Cold Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:14:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Agreed! I'm a runner & ever since I ran outside in the early morning every other day for an entire winter, the cold just doesn't feel as cold anymore! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 10:03 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Cold > > The more time you spend out in the cold > the less "cold" temperatures feel uncomfortable. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 10:19:16 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28650 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:19:14 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4ZPPa02638; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:17:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7bfc6590.368a4403@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:17:23 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, garicao@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Problem with Va DMV---suggestions? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 what is SR-22? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 10:27:58 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28820 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:27:54 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QOZGa06036; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:26:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:26:11 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Since I added a windshield I can tolerate much colder weather. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 10:30:13 1998 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28897 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA26193; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:29:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026175; Wed Dec 30 09:28:45 1998 Message-ID: <368A4699.A4B27103@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:28:26 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: What a strange morning! References: <4.1.19981230095531.00fdf980@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was 36 when I rode in this morning, and all I saw was wet roads (395 HOV lanes), but the temp is falling (down to 29). It looks like a cold ride home. Ed Chris Norloff wrote: > It was 30 deg. F at my house in Fall Church. I found ice in parking lots, > but none on the roads. Nevertheless, I chose to ride in the middle of the > lane many times, to stay out of the shiny wheel tracks (water/ice?) and to > take advantage of the sand. > > You know you're a winter rider when sand looks good, 'cause it's better > than ice. > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > At 09:29 AM 12/30/98 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > >yikes.. it's THAT cold out? It was still 38 when I left home at 6am this > >morning.. roads were wet, but not overly slick.. and I didn't find ice > >anywhere.. > > > >huh... hope I'll be ok getting home tonight.. > > > >Brian > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> I stopped for an errand, and when I came back out the puddles > >> of water had > >> frozen solid! I'd left my suit lying on the bike, and the > >> summer armor was > >> as hard as a rock. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 10:44:47 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29089 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA27766 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:44:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981230154412.ULHZ652@[166.41.242.214]> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:44:12 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Boot Repair.. Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:46:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be340b$8a5910d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199812301507.KAA28452@meretrix.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal If there are any preferences toward the NoVA side of the river, I'd like to hear them. T > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 10:08 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: Boot Repair.. > > > Ok, I realize we've gone over this before.. but I can't find the > info in the > archives (I'm a lame net-turd today).. I need my boots repaired. > New Vibram > soles, and some stitching replaced... recommendations on shops? > Obviously, > phone numbers will help me :) And I'd like to give preference to those > located closer to College Park, MD... Anyone able to help? > > Thanks in advance everyone.. > > Brian > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 10:52:39 1998 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29262 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:52:38 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CZUZa19751 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:52:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4abd2c36.368a4c25@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:52:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: weather Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 This afternoon: Partly sunny Blustery and cold. Steady or slowly falling temperatures in the middle to upper 20s. Northwest winds 25 to 30 mph With gusts to 40 mph. Tonight: Cold with increasing cloudiness late. Snow flurries towards dawn. Lows in the mid to upper teens. Northwest winds 15 mph becoming west 5 mph. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 11:01:01 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29409 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:00:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA19809; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19981230155956.USHV652@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:59:56 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Subject: RE: Problem with Va DMV---suggestions? Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:02:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be340d$bcefbd80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <7bfc6590.368a4403@aol.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal It is a "High Risk and/or Proof of financial stability" 'rider' to your normal insurance premium. It is a test of your worthiness as a good citizen in the eyes of the DMV and is usually reserved for exceptionally bad drivers like those convicted of a DWI or DUI. In most cases, proof of purchase of SR-22 for three consecutive years is required and, as I understand it, can range from $150-300 a year. In Garcias case, he will have to prove (by purchasing SR-22) he isn't just some numb-nut out to screw other drivers if he crashed into them. It's just a tax on bad or dangerous behaviour, IMO. DMV could simply require Garcia to reinstate his insurance and prove it on a frequent basis. Not sure DMV actually receives any of the SR-22 funds, so it may be a case where the insurance industry figured out another pocket to pick (based on higher moral standards than their own no doubt). Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: STARAI@XXXXXX [mailto:STARAI@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 10:17 AM > To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX; garicao@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Problem with Va DMV---suggestions? > > > what is SR-22? > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 11:36:27 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29924 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA07816 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:35:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv13-30.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.94) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma007789; Wed Dec 30 10:35:32 1998 Message-ID: <003d01be3412$6b9f24c0$5e72d9ce@oemcomputer> From: "Ken" To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Boot Repair.. Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:35:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 There is a Shoe/leather repair shop in Martinsburg, across from the = Outlet Mills, called Hawkins Leather. They have repaired my boots and = put patches on my riding pants, Know its out of the way... there was = also another place in the alley behind the Pershing Market in Arlington = , at Rt 50 and Pershing across from the Henry Gate of Ft. Myer, but I = can not recall the name. Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: 'dc' Date: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Boot Repair.. >If there are any preferences toward the NoVA side of the river, I'd = like to >hear them. > >T > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 10:08 AM >> To: 'dc' >> Subject: Boot Repair.. >> >> >> Ok, I realize we've gone over this before.. but I can't find the >> info in the >> archives (I'm a lame net-turd today).. I need my boots repaired. >> New Vibram >> soles, and some stitching replaced... recommendations on shops? >> Obviously, >> phone numbers will help me :) And I'd like to give preference to = those >> located closer to College Park, MD... Anyone able to help? >> >> Thanks in advance everyone.. >> >> Brian >> > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 12:11:16 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00561 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-24.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.65]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA23096 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:11:14 -0500 Message-ID: <015201be3417$15e9f960$2f10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Boot Repair.. Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:04:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Brian -- Geographically challenging for you, but Corrective Shoe Repair at 1502 P NW (21st St.); 202 232 9749; has done a few soles and fixes for me. Nice work, generally a week's turnaround. Very accessible off the Rock Creek Parkway at P street. Vibram soles roughly $50 (those soles rank up there with helmets for necessary riding gear for me). Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Sadly, no seven league boots for Christmas Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 ...snip I need my boots repaired. New Vibram >soles, and some stitching replaced... recommendations on shops? Obviously, >phone numbers will help me :) And I'd like to give preference to those >located closer to College Park, MD... Anyone able to help? > >Thanks in advance everyone.. > >Brian > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 14:20:54 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02598 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:20:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812301920.OAA02598@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:20:46 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: If only I ran the Washington Post.. Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:20:43 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Then I would print all the information contained here.. http://members.aol.com/doggiesnot/index.htm Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 16:33:54 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA04512 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:33:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981230213826.29311.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.197.179] by send204.yahoomail.com; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:38:26 PST Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:38:26 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: weather To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And a group of four idiots from work decided to skip work and go mountain biking in Patapsco Valley State Park even though the windchill was zero at the time. Maybe my feet will thaw out in the next week or two. Ray ---JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > This afternoon: Partly sunny Blustery and cold. Steady or slowly falling > temperatures in the middle to upper 20s. Northwest winds 25 to 30 mph With > gusts to 40 mph. > Tonight: Cold with increasing cloudiness late. Snow flurries towards dawn. > Lows in the mid to upper teens. Northwest winds 15 mph becoming west 5 mph. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 17:40:27 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05537 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13391 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:40:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:40:19 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Cheap, well used Hawk for sale (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm selling my 88 Hawk GT and have posted an ad to the Hawk GT list. I'm forwarding the ad in its entirety... The bike has been seen in action by many members of dc-cycles. It's a great bike, a lot of fun to ride, easy enough for beginners, and plenty of bike for an experienced rider. A deal on a new bike fell into my lap (courtesy of Brian) so the Hawk is up for sale. Everyone who knows me knows I'm up front and honest almost to a fault. So, you won't get screwed around if you want the bike... Excuse me while I wipe the tears from my eyes. Kirk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:25:32 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: HawkGT Mailing List Subject: Cheap, well used Hawk for sale First, the price is $1800/obo. It's located in College Park, MD, near Washington, DC. Some details: 82mm wiseco pistons (697cc); barnett kevlar clutch fibers; 95 RR shock w/RR spring but I've got a higher spring rate Hawk spring for it too (I've got the RR spring maxed out for me); SS brake lines; F2 pegs; 52,000 miles or so; battery purchased in 98; factory 3.0 jet kit w/bunches of extra mains; unipod filters; supertrapp customized by low siding the bike (rear header could use repair); low miles on front rotor (less than 10k); corbin gunfight and lady saddle w/backrest; etc The thing made about 60hp and 45ft/lbs on a local dyno with the current mods. I suspect the dyno may read a tad high but the bike makes good power. The bike needs a new base gasket on the front cylinder although I've run it half the year with it leaking lightly. If aesthetics would be important the motor could use painting. Photos can be seen at: http://www.beatty.ndirect.co.uk/HwkKRoy.jpg http://members.fcac.org/~kirk/echr/kirkhawk.jpg Note that the targa fairing has been sold separately... This bike has been seen by many listers, both sitting still and in action. They would likely vouch for it's condition... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 18:48:33 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06638 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:48:32 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8SJFa25632; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:47:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:47:26 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: travelling in style Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 12/30/98 7:25:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << I ride everyday.. till someone wants to give me a car.. >> Brian, my hat's off to you it is bitterly cold just walking around. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 19:57:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07759 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06761 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA20341 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:57:35 -0500 (EST) From: LungHD@XXXXXX Received: from LungHD@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MPCNa23181 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:56:48 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <9c3a171c.368acbd0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:56:48 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Chuckles-r-us. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Is it just me, or does riding to work on days like this blow the fuses of all non-riders? Had to tell them it's a helluva lot warmer than my ex-girlfriend and walk off. Yada-yada-yada... Lung (*Chris! Movies WILL get there! - Been derelict in my duties.... & besides, I just found your address.... again.*) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 20:25:25 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08158 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust017.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.17]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA14450; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:26:21 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981231012215.006a0c94@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:22:15 -0500 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Cold At 09:40 AM 12/30/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Ok, question for everyone who owns electrics... >What is the coldest temperature you've ridden in with your electrics on >and still felt comfortable...and I do mean COMFORTABLE, not barely >staying above freezing. 42. In Atlanta last February 22, I saw a bank clock that said 42 in light rain, and thought, this isn't too bad. 100 miles later, the rain got heavier, soaked through and I had to stop for about 1/2 hour to change clothes. I never did get comfortable after that. It never gets too cold to ride, it just gets too cold to ride farther. As a general rule, I wear the vest if the temp is below 60, I wear the gloves if it's below 50, if below 30, I add electric socks. If riding more than 100 miles or raining add another layer. The only time I wear the chaps is for redundant heat. Like Chris mentioned this morning, sometimes the vest quits. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 21:09:38 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08874 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-22.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.63]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA05491 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:09:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01bf01be3462$4b1d3fc0$2f10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: weather Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:07:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Gearing up (pun intended) for a normal winter, hookied and put on 100 (@70+) test miles this bright, dry road afternoon (the 5-day looks v e r y risky). Tried combinations of snowsuit-over-Aerostitch and neoprene-wetsuit-under-Aero and hands and feet combos. Not satisfied yet -- warm, but in-and-out awkwardness a burden for my needs -- sizing changes could solve. (Also revealed -- cold earplugs not a friendly insert.) Trying to convince myself of electrics robustness (bike breakdowns on the road?). Frigid on a bike? Immerse yourself in "To Build A Fire", a short by Jack London (reread by yours truly last summer) and feel fortunate. Minus 50deg. and the Yukon miner gets glove and match problems. A real chiller. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 taking to the chilly like a sled dog. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Ray >And a group of four idiots from work decided to skip work and go >mountain biking in Patapsco Valley State Park even though the >windchill was zero at the time. Maybe my feet will thaw out in the >next week or two. >Ray >---JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> This afternoon: Partly sunny Blustery and cold. Steady or slowly >falling >> temperatures in the middle to upper 20s. Northwest winds 25 to 30 >mph With >> gusts to 40 mph. >> Tonight: Cold with increasing cloudiness late. Snow flurries towards >dawn. >> Lows in the mid to upper teens. Northwest winds 15 mph becoming west >5 mph. >> > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 21:21:24 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA09107 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:21:22 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VAGJa15848 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:19:42 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:19:42 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: military bases Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Anyone know why military bases impose more requirements on riders? Is it really because inexperienced E2's using poor judgement wrecked on base? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 22:31:49 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA10197 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:31:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-100-2.s256.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.100.2]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03344; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:34:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <368AF2C1.11F81D5D@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:42:57 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STARAI@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: military bases References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, there really isn't a single answer to satisfy that question. There are many possibilities, but I'm sure no one tru answer. Part of it is that military members are an investment by the government. We are their property to an extent (you can be punished for damage to gov't property if you were neglectful and got sunburned severe enough to miss duty..yes..it has happened). They spend lots of money to provide us with the skills necessary to complete our necessary tasks. They want us around to be able to use those skills. However, you won't see nearly as much specific rules applied to other recreational activities. You won't see any special requirements for skiing (which has a much higher injury rate), horseback riding, skydiving, scuba diving, bungy jumping, etc. Part of it is ignorance on the part of those making the rules. All of us have had those conversations with a non rider who is bound and determined that motorcycles are death traps and nothing you can tell them will convince them otherwise. This is one way poor laws get on the books. I am a reptile owner as well... 5 of my 10 reptiles are illegal to own in Fairfax county. Why? because they can grow to more than 6 ft in length (more to it than that, but that's the gist of it). Who wrote these laws? People who have no concept of reptiles other than that they are slimy evil things that will hurt people... (wrong on almost every account...) Of course the media doesn't help. One irresponsible owner and it's all over the 6 o' clock news. Same with bikes. All it takes is one idiot squid to run from the cops down the beltway at triple digits then crash viloently, and all of a sudden we're all evil hooligans...They say so right on the news..and we know they are always right, right?...It doesn't really matter that in reality most of us (just look at the DC-Cycles list Anita put together) are respectable, professional types, many of whom have advanced degrees and are very active participants in the community. I know I'm preaching to the qouir(never could spell that word) here, but it's good to say it once in a while. I know I haven't really answered the question directly, but I hope it gave a little insight into things... That said, the requirements imposed on military members really aren't all that bad. Actually, for us Coasties, there are no special requirements for off base. On base though, we're the same as the navy. Each service is a bit different, but for the most part they require that you pass some sort of safety course, usually the MSF, followed by an on base course as well. Then it's a matter of protective gear. Some services/commands have very strict gear requirements, while others don't. We had a big discussion on this a few months ago... quite amuzing when we started talking about certain gate guards who were adamant about the rider wearing an orange reflective vest...didn't matter that the rider had on an international orange float coat with more retroreflective material than any of the vests out there...or another rider rode up to the gate wearing an aerostitch with all it's retro on it... it wasn't an orange vest, so they couldn't get on...reminds me of Jarheads (marines).. For most of the types on this list it isn't that much of an issue though.. Year round I wear full leather, a helmet, and as long as I can find it, my orange reflecto vest..boots, gloves, etc. Is it hot in the summer? yeah, but I've had skin grafts before, and I say never again if I can help it...to each there own in the safety gear aspect (in accordance with the law of course ;-)) Collin (Oklahoma Talking Disease in overdrive again) STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > Anyone know why military bases impose more requirements on riders? Is it > really because inexperienced E2's using poor judgement wrecked on base? -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 22:54:36 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA10524 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:54:35 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PBVOa03537; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:53:39 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:53:39 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: military bases Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I understand the government property concept. But, the rules should not be imposed on civilians. But anyway, I am starting to consider writing to the AMA or the JAG. Silly rules need to be challanged. what about those reptiles? From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 23:06:26 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10748 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-100-2.s256.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.100.2]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12670; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:09:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <368AFB01.9B20D811@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:18:09 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STARAI@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: military bases References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm assuming you're talking about civilians working on military facilities?? I think you'll be fighting a losing battle. It's private (federal) property, not a public road. While working/riding on the base, you're subject to their rules.. When in Rome... Not sure, but I think it may also be a liability type issue. What about em?? :) They were my wife's idea originally. I used to be terrified of them until I started learning about them. Now I love to handle them and I try to educate others as much/often as I can..... (although getting bit by the snakies is getting annoying... got bit twice yesterday before feeding time...) Taped the feeding if anyone ever wants to watch.. I can play it on netmeeting over the net too ;-) STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > I understand the government property concept. But, the rules should not be > imposed on civilians. But anyway, I am starting to consider writing to the > AMA or the JAG. > Silly rules need to be challanged. > > what about those reptiles? -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 23:15:52 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10905 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:15:51 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SMHTa01428; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:15:14 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <2aeedd82.368afa52@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:15:14 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: military bases Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I could use education on the social value of reptiles. They undoubtedly suffer from an unfair stigma ..... from biblical times From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 30 23:18:25 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10915 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA11435 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:18:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <368B259C.3AAD@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:19:56 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: travelling in style Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" > I ride everyday.. till someone wants to give me a car.. > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > > From: STARAI@XXXXXX [mailto:STARAI@XXXXXX] > > Subject: travelling in style > > any one ride today? A better question might be, who's riding in on December 31st? Wednesday was cake, albeit windy. I'll be thinking of Brian et al tomorrow morning, happy that my commute is only 5.1 miles ;) JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 01:50:27 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA13211 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:37:28 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Cheap, well used Hawk for sale (fwd) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:43:16 -0500 Message-ID: <024901be3488$d89e4440$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: If only I had $1800... You're letting that go for a song. I always figured you for a marriage to that bike. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 01:50:28 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA13213 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:36:35 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: If only I ran the Washington Post.. Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:42:23 -0500 Message-ID: <024801be3488$b8bc5720$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199812301920.OAA02598@meretrix.com> Does Dr. Gridlock have an email address? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 2:21 PM > To: 'dc' > Subject: If only I ran the Washington Post.. > > > Then I would print all the information contained here.. > > http://members.aol.com/doggiesnot/index.htm > > Brian > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 06:18:51 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA18592 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:18:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981231112333.14391.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.201.58] by send204.yahoomail.com; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 03:23:33 PST Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 03:23:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: military bases To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Because they can. Anybody in some power with a little bit of anti-motorcycle bias (or in our case someone with a I-know-whats-best-for-you, you-don't attitude) have the power to affect the regs. Military imposes more requirements and restrictions in every facet of live, some good some bad; nobody forced me to enlist or reenlist four times. Ray (Not defending the establishment) Lucas ---STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > Anyone know why military bases impose more requirements on riders? Is it > really because inexperienced E2's using poor judgement wrecked on base? > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 06:40:43 1998 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18878 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:40:42 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0LVSa07005; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:39:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1fe5a306.368b628a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:39:54 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: MC rental in England Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 Anybody have any experience with renting a motorcycle in England. My wife and I may be making a two week trip there in the spring. I'm thinking it might interesting to rent one for a portion of that time. Positives/negatives/expense? Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 07:21:28 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (send201.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA19537 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:21:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981231122251.716.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send201.yahoomail.com; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:22:51 PST Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:22:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: Cheap, well used Hawk for sale (fwd) To: George Howell , Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If only I had room for another bike. ---George Howell wrote: > > If only I had $1800... You're letting that go for a song. I always figured > you for a marriage to that bike. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 07:32:47 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA19692 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id HAA16529; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:34:18 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016501; Thu, 31 Dec 98 07:34:11 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F4T00IDAXKI22@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566EB.0049D445 ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:31:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:31:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Slow List... New Models? To: "Christopher A. Weaver" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566EB.00448F28.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I rode the new BMW R1100S at Morton's. (although the Demo ride slut award belongs to Wes. How many did you ride that day? :-) Also, saw and sat on the new K1200LT at Bob's (while fellow listers down lots of great veggie soup). Whoa baby, that thing may actually be the "Wing killer" it is being touted as. Also, saw the ZRX-1100? at Cycles USA (as a fellow lister was dropping his life savings on some gerbing stuff). The new kawi bike. Did nothing for me ... but then again, I am not a fan of nekkid stds. Have a great New Years all, chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: "Christopher A. Weaver" <"Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US"@notes.pw.com> Date: 12/29/98 09:09:29 PM GMT Subject: Slow List... New Models? My my, it's a slow list today. That, combined with half of my office going on vacation this week prompts me to offer a topic of conversation. I thought perhaps we could update each other on when the new models appear in our local shops so that we know when to stop by and check them out. Kawasaki seems to be the fastest off of the mark in this area. So far, the two shops I visit most often (Manassas Honda and Cycle Sport Herndon) have both had the new 1100 Eddie Lawson bike. The sales guy at Manassas said they'll be the fastest bike in production up to 90 mph (for what that's worth). Manassas Honda also had one of the new dark purple ZX6Rs - nice, but looked pretty much black to me. They had a '99 ZX9R also, with the odd new purple and green smudge paintscheme. I can't say I cared for it any more in person than I did when I saw it on the web. No sign of the new Honda F4 yet - salesmen seem to think it'll be late January before they'll be in. None of the new Suzukis (sv650 & Eyeabuser) seem to be around yet either. Any other sightings? Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 07:43:42 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19848 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:43:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812311243.HAA19848@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:43:35 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: travelling in style Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:43:28 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) you mis-read me.. I said I'll ride everyday till someone wants to give me a car.. then I'll drive when it's cold and raining (with posibility of icy roads) or snowing.. course, they're nice for getting groceries, taking bike parts to and from the shop when it's broken down and/or needs tires.. etc.. My bike will be my main means of transportation probably for a very long time to come... I'm just to poor for it to be otherwise......... Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 1998 7:38 AM > To: McCoy, Brian NAB02 > Cc: 'dc' > Subject: RE: travelling in style > > > WHAT?!?!? > > Let's get him!!! ... he said he wanted a CAR! > > I'm disappointed in you turd boy! > > --chris > > To: 'dc' > cc: > From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" > Date: 12/30/98 12:20:42 PM GMT > Subject: RE: travelling in style > > > > > I ride everyday.. till someone wants to give me a car.. > > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: STARAI@XXXXXX [mailto:STARAI@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 12:00 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: travelling in style > > > > > > any one ride today? > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 07:44:58 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA19874 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:44:56 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id HAA17114; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:42:20 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017094; Thu, 31 Dec 98 07:41:34 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F4T00GM5XWV3S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:41:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566EB.0049D96B ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:39:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:38:27 -0500 Subject: RE: travelling in style To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <852566EB.00453AF4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL WHAT?!?!? Let's get him!!! ... he said he wanted a CAR! I'm disappointed in you turd boy! --chris To: 'dc' cc: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Date: 12/30/98 12:20:42 PM GMT Subject: RE: travelling in style I ride everyday.. till someone wants to give me a car.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: STARAI@XXXXXX [mailto:STARAI@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 12:00 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: travelling in style > > > any one ride today? > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 07:53:52 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20035 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:53:50 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id HAA18112; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:55:24 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018072; Thu, 31 Dec 98 07:55:01 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F4T00GORYJA3S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566EB.0049DFD6 ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:52:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:51:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Cold To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <852566EB.00467752.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL J, I think alot of it depends on exposure period and your definition of comfortable. I have commuted (30 mins at 50mph avg) in single digits with just electric gloves before and been comfortable. However, I and another lister nearly froze to death coming back from Daytona last year (15 hours at ~32-40d). Something about that amount of time ... your whole core *eventually* gets cold. This year I added a widder vest and that will help immensely. I still layer a sweatshirt over it and then a suit with liner, but I estimate I could do a few hours in the 20s. I have already done DC to Baltimore (~45mins) in the teens, and was fine. I see MCing in the cold sort of like skiing ... to STAY warm you have to keep your core warm, but I can tolerate just about anything until my hands and feet get cold. YMMV, chris To: 'dc' cc: From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Date: 12/30/98 02:40:22 PM GMT Subject: Cold Ok, question for everyone who owns electrics... What is the coldest temperature you've ridden in with your electrics on and still felt comfortable...and I do mean COMFORTABLE, not barely staying above freezing. The lowest temp I've ridden in was 28 (last year's Polar Bear ride with CAMS) but that's 'cause it was a very mild winter and it was my first winter riding. This year I think it will get a bit colder, it looks like (?) and after I get my new battery this weekend I plan to ride through it! So, help me out, let me know when it gets a bit TOO cold for you all with electrics out there! By the way, I do not own electric pants. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 08:12:59 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20366 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:12:57 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA19778; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:14:30 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma019745; Thu, 31 Dec 98 08:14:03 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F4T00IKXZEZT8@XXXXXX>; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566EB.0049EFB8 ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:11:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:10:53 -0500 Subject: Re: military bases To: STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: gixer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566EB.004834BE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL To which silly rules are you referring? --chris To: gixer@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: STARAI@XXXXXX Date: 12/31/98 03:53:39 AM GMT Subject: Re: military bases I understand the government property concept. But, the rules should not be imposed on civilians. But anyway, I am starting to consider writing to the AMA or the JAG. Silly rules need to be challanged. what about those reptiles? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 08:17:58 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20470 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:17:56 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA20245; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:19:31 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma020240; Thu, 31 Dec 98 08:19:28 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F4T00IMIZO1T8@XXXXXX>; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566EB.0049F61C ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:17:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:16:13 -0500 Subject: Re: military bases To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566EB.0048B1AB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Collin, Federal Property is public land. It may get exception due to Nat'l Security or something, but it is NOT a private entity exempt from public laws (i.e. ADA, etc.). That notwithstanding, I agree with your positions about MCing on post/base. The rules and regs are NOT that tough (nothing that a responsible rider shouldn't do), but they are not enforced in a uniform manner nor equally with other "risky" behaviors. --chris (only in the service for the 22 years he spent as a dependent ;-) To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Date: 12/31/98 04:18:09 AM GMT Subject: Re: military bases I'm assuming you're talking about civilians working on military facilities?? I think you'll be fighting a losing battle. It's private (federal) property, not a public road. While working/riding on the base, you're subject to their rules.. When in Rome... Not sure, but I think it may also be a liability type issue. --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 08:26:10 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20569 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA21377; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:27:38 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021285; Thu, 31 Dec 98 08:27:17 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F4U00L85012XD@XXXXXX>; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566EB.004A01C7 ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:24:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:24:07 -0500 Subject: RE: If only I ran the Washington Post.. To: George Howell Cc: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Message-id: <852566EB.00496A0B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL yes. Go to the post site www.washingtonpost.com , select the metro section, select columnists and it lists Dr. G and says "e-mail the Dr." there. I think it is Drgridlock@XXXXXX, but not sure. I just sent him an e-mail asking that when he writes more columns about hov restrictions (like he did last week), he mention that motorcycles are LEGALLY allowed in the lanes. He reported all the hov lanes (if they were hov-2 or 3 and the times of operation), but never took the time to casually mention that MCs were allowed in them all. --chris (I'd check for you, but I'm dialed in and experienceing s-l-o-w-n-e-s-s- right now). To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , 'dc' cc: From: George Howell Date: 12/31/98 06:42:23 AM GMT Subject: RE: If only I ran the Washington Post.. Does Dr. Gridlock have an email address? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 2:21 PM > To: 'dc' > Subject: If only I ran the Washington Post.. > > > Then I would print all the information contained here.. > > http://members.aol.com/doggiesnot/index.htm > > Brian > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 08:34:19 1998 Return-Path: DWillard@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20730 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18386 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:36:17 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A0060971774277EAC28@tralfaz.treev.com> From: David Willard To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 12/30/98 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:36:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Please take my work email off this list. I will start to get email at home shortly and want to have the DC-Cycles digest sent there. Thanks, Dave 80-XS11 -----Original Message----- From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX [mailto:dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 7:00 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 12/30/98 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 08:39:20 1998 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20809 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA12208; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:38:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012197; Thu Dec 31 07:38:37 1998 Message-ID: <368B7E4C.771C4C9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:38:20 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles , Mike Subject: Anyone ride in today? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone else ride in today? It was cold this morning (22 when I left), but there was no snow or ice on the roads. Only my fingers were cold when I got to work today. But, they just changed the weather forcast, to call for up to an inch of accumulation of snow. This should be an interesting ride home this afternoon. Ed Hand 92 FJ1200 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 08:52:24 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21062 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08746; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:53:33 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661E3@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Ed Hand'" , dc-cycles , Mike Subject: RE: Anyone ride in today? Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:53:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I didn't ride :( Been using the worn out tires as an excuse not too, even though the new ones are sitting in my living room....the train hasn't been too bad since everyone is off for the holidays. I'm sure I might have to motivate myself to get over to Glenn's and change them next week when all the Moe-Rons start appearing again... I got a late start from the house (0730, Tyson's Corner) and it had just started snowing. Looked like it was getting heavier and heavier during my very short ride to the metro. Be careful out there this afternoon if you rode in. If it really really gets nasty and you're concerned about safety, post a note to the list and I'm sure one of us is in the area or near enough to a convenient metro to get you home (all this assuming your bike is in a safe place) Collin On Thursday, December 31, 1998 8:47 AM, Ed Hand [SMTP:ehand@XXXXXX] wrote: > Did anyone else ride in today? > But, they just changed the weather forcast, to call for up to an inch of > accumulation of snow. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 09:22:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21501 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14864 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00056 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Thu Dec 31 09:12 EST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA27667 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE349E.DD032300@XXXXXX>; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:20:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'jlobrien@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Coldest w/ electrics Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:20:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Jeannette, I rode last years PAAR bear run w/o electrics and when I started out, it was 23 degrees. I don't recall what the tempearture warmed up to, (it was a sunny day), but I was more or less comfortable. THE POINT: It depends on the type of riding that you're doing. If you going through stop and go traffic you should be able to stand a colder ambient temperature. However, if you're doing highway stuff like I did for Christmas, then even 20 degrees feels cold after awhile. When I returned home on Saturday, the 26th, I started out at 28 degrees. By the time I reached DE, it was 37 and I was downright chilly. IMO, for extended HIGHWAY stuff at those temperatures or less, I would need electric socks and pants or better insulated pants. (I "only" had a Gerbing jacket liner & gloves) --John VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 09:26:43 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21514 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:22:55 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: travelling in style Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:28:47 -0500 Message-ID: <025e01be34c9$e0fb77c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199812311243.HAA19848@meretrix.com> ca. 1970, father had a Moto Guzzi and a subaru. He thought he'd use the car to take bike parts to the shop. Turns out that Subaru heads fit quite well in the Guzzi saddlebags. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 09:32:24 1998 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21667 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zvj8m-0001mD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:31:56 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24052 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED747@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Anyone ride in today? Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:36:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > If it really really gets nasty and you're concerned about safety, post a > note to the list and I'm sure one of us is in the area or near enough to a > convenient metro to get you home (all this assuming your bike is in a safe > place) Great idea Collin! I would gladly give a ride home to a biker in need (due to weather or whatever). Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 09:37:10 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21744 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24066 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:37:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:37:04 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: travelling in style In-Reply-To: <025e01be34c9$e0fb77c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, George Howell wrote: > Turns out that Subaru heads fit quite well in the Guzzi saddlebags. I've carried bunches of car parts on the bike as well. I was particularly impressed that my little magnetic tank bag held both the front rotors off my mazda. No slipping whatsoever... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 10:06:41 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22216 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:06:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812311506.KAA22216@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:06:33 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Anyone ride in today? Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:06:29 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) oh sh%t... I'm screwed it looks like.. well, I can probably manage the ride home.. but my plans for the evening are kinda killed.. sucks :( > -----Original Message----- > > I got a late start from the house (0730, Tyson's Corner) and > it had just > started snowing. Looked like it was getting heavier and > heavier during my > very short ride to the metro. Be careful out there this > afternoon if you > rode in. From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 10:39:44 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22689 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA13810; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:39:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981231153907.LME21813@toddnt>; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:39:07 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Cold Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:41:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be34d4$000f5af0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <852566EB.00467752.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Chris Meier wrote: > J, > > I think alot of it depends on exposure period and your definition of > comfortable. I have commuted (30 mins at 50mph avg) in single digits with > just electric gloves before and been comfortable. However, I and another > lister nearly froze to death coming back from Daytona last year (15 hours > at ~32-40d). Something about that amount of time ... your whole core > *eventually* gets cold. Defitnition of comfortable definitely plays here. Well, I finally did it. I broke down and bought some mylar glove inserts ($3.99 at Sunny's (Dale would be proud;)). They're made of a thin fiber like nylon with a bunch of mylar threads running through. Supposed to put them on warm hands and then your gloves. They're supposed to keep the warmth of your hands trapped in the mylar. We'll see. And you thought I bought an electric vest....Bah! :) Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 10:40:17 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22701 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA14159; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:39:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981231153908.LMJ21813@toddnt>; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:39:08 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "David Willard" , Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 12/30/98 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:41:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be34d4$00850020$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A0060971774277EAC28@tralfaz.treev.com> Dave, and anyone else interested. Send your subscription requests to: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX T > -----Original Message----- > From: David Willard [mailto:DWillard@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 1998 8:36 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 12/30/98 > > > Please take my work email off this list. I will start to get > email at home > shortly and want to have the DC-Cycles digest sent there. > > Thanks, > > Dave > 80-XS11 > > -----Original Message----- > From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > [mailto:dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 7:00 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: dc-cycles digest for 12/30/98 > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 10:53:14 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22933 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:53:12 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id OZGVa20655; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:52:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1ccf2535.368b9dba@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:52:26 EST To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: hsta@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: MC rental in England Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I've been thinking about doing this in the US but the cost is around $300/day. In a message dated 12/31/98 6:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, McKeithen@XXXXXX writes: > > Anybody have any experience with renting a motorcycle in England. My wife > and > I may be making a two week trip there in the spring. I'm thinking it might > interesting to rent one for a portion of that time. > Positives/negatives/expense? > Bob McKeithen > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 11:03:48 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23081 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:03:47 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id KXOMa20553; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:02:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <998fcf92.368ba01c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:02:36 EST To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: military bases Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 If a car is legally on the street, you can bring it on base. The same should be true for mtorcycles. Protective wear and an MSF course may be a good idea, but it is not required to ride. In a message dated 12/31/98 8:18:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: > > Collin, > > Federal Property is public land. It may get exception due to Nat'l > Security or something, but it is NOT a private entity exempt from public > laws (i.e. ADA, etc.). > > That notwithstanding, I agree with your positions about MCing on post/base. > The rules and regs are NOT that tough (nothing that a responsible rider > shouldn't do), but they are not enforced in a uniform manner nor equally > with other "risky" behaviors. > > --chris (only in the service for the 22 years he spent as a dependent ;-) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 11:13:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23258 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15885 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01985 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:13:53 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DNFEa19764 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:13:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:13:16 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone ride in today? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 I waited until the snow on the streets melted then rode in. A little cold but nothing major...just gotta be careful. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 11:45:33 1998 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23768 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:45:32 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9PUHa19751 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:43:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <750b239b.368ba9cd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:43:57 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Towing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 What do you guys do for emergency towing, as in broken down on the highway? How long can you leave the bike on the road? Anyone use the AMA MOTOW? From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 12:00:25 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23999 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:00:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981231170307.7982.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send206.yahoomail.com; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:03:07 PST Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:03:07 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Towing To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My way doesn't work for everyone. I push. I've pushed a bike two miles, it's no fun but I wasn't going to leave that bike there. Now if it's a bike I wanted to get rid of, I'd get witnesses that it was there when I left it... If you're ever in Glen Burnie during working hours (0630-1500) call me at 4107626710, or if in Annapolis/Arnold area evenings or weekends call 4107574557, Will Tow For Beer. I think Collin and a couple others made this offer before, I jumped on thier idea, I don't want to take credit for an original thought. This offer expires temporarily on 17 Jan 99 until sometime in April, I'll be out of town. Ray ---STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > What do you guys do for emergency towing, as in broken down on the highway? > How long can you leave the bike on the road? > Anyone use the AMA MOTOW? > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 12:08:38 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24078 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17962; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:10:03 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B12661F0@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'STARAI@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Towing Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:10:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain With the talk of the bad weather today, and Joe(??)'s message, it's time for me to do my occasional info post (since we have lots of new faces too). I'm more than happy to offer my truck and/or trailer to come to the aid of a biker in need. If it's a true emergency, call me anytime day or night and I'll be happy to come to the aid. All I ask in return is that you put some go go juice in the truck if it's much of a trip..and maybe a glass of iced tea... If you need transportation for a routine type trip such as hauling a bike to a dealer for maintenance or such, please try to give me a little bit of an advance notice (I do have a little bit of a life...). My home number is (703) 356-4279, work is (202) 366-0067 OK, for extreme cold weather I do have a slight surcharge...a warm cup of hot chocolate or something similar is a requirement :) Ride safe everyone. Hopefully no one will have to take me up on my offer involuntarily. Collin ps: I'll be away from this email after 1 PM today until next wednesday... Use gixer@XXXXXX if sending anything direct to me. On Thursday, December 31, 1998 11:53 AM, STARAI@XXXXXX [SMTP:STARAI@XXXXXX] wrote: > What do you guys do for emergency towing, as in broken down on the highway? > How long can you leave the bike on the road? > Anyone use the AMA MOTOW? From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 31 12:09:53 1998 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24088 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id MAA17201; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:07:01 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017068; Thu, 31 Dec 98 12:06:26 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F4U00JDVAEISI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566EB.005E2AB0 ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:08:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:04:42 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: Re: Towing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566EB.005CB2D9.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL If you have a bike that needs towing, tonight is the night to do it! I heard on the news last night that you can get your vehicle towed home for free. I don't remember the number, but if you look at washingtonpost.com you can probably find it somewhere. It's really meant for drunk partygoers, but