From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 00:03:52 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12881 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:03:51 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr8-dialup5.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.68.197]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33506) with SMTP id <0F39001R6SPCRP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:03:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:04:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Great Ride last Sunday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <005701be1ce8$1f240fc0$c54437a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >No doubt, thanx Anita and Collin. I know I was way overdue for a good ride. >I actually went on a couple roads I have never been on. I thought I had >traveled every road in VA, guess not. After the ride a few of us headed to >Collin's Old Dominion Speedway for a few laps. What a great place to blast >around. Once again thanx for the ride. > >Glenn Yes, thanks Anita and Collin for leading a great ride. I had lots and lots of fun. It even got warm enough for me to scrape a peg. 8^) Some day, I'm gonna make it out to the "speedway". Us MD boys had to head home and cautiously watch for bambi. See ya soon, Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 00:07:39 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12958 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:07:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:04:33 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "John Doe" , Subject: RE: bike for sale Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:07:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01be1ce8$8c179a20$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <19981201044722.9433.qmail@hotmail.com> Both wonderful starter bike (although, I do know a guy who started on a CBR900RR. He's been riding for only a few months, so I can't yet comment on his first year. Did I mention he lives in the city?) But, sarcasm aside, as examples of cheap bike prices, they are a clear sign of the overpriced bikes originally sited. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > ... For $2k you > >could get a fairly nice EX500... > > Right now you could have your choice of an 87 FZR1000 for $1900 > a 89 zx10 for $1250. The internet classifieds are full of Hurricanes, > F2's, FZR's ZX600 ninjas under 2 grand. Anyone paying thousands for an > EX250 is cratifiable. > Tom From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 00:09:32 1998 Return-Path: juicingit@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f312.hotmail.com [207.82.251.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA12968 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16417 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1998 05:08:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19981201050853.16416.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.193.178 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:08:52 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.193.178] From: "John Doe" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re friday recap MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:08:52 PST > >The problem with "fast" groups is there is very often someone like this >unlicensed, inexperienced rider who wants to keep up with the others. Very true, but when he deciced to come with the fast group, he was told that the fast group was going to go at 10- 15 miles over the speed limit. He was also assured that no matter wich group he went with, he would not be left behind. Well i only checked my speedometer one when the speed picked up, when I passed a van at 105 in 3rd gear on rt55, while the others on the bigger bikes pulling away from me. My friend was simply trying to keep up, even though he was falling hoplessly behind on the Maxim. If i wouldnt have looked back to see how he was handling that turn, he would have been left for dead by the others. You all need to quit criticizing my friend for only having a learners permit. At least he had a permit and his bike was insured and registered. The cop let him go no problem so in essence he did nothing wrong. I bet he wouldnt have let us go if he saw us hauling ass down 55 at about double the speed limit. Tom ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 00:17:55 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13137 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:17:53 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA19225 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (usr8-dialup5.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.68.197]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F3900D1MTCNBV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:17:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:18:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Friday Ride Recap To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <005c01be1cea$158ade60$c54437a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >The "slow" group had a fine time. We stopped, too, when the rider went >down, but he had plenty of help from paramedics. A few of us went for >lunch in Marshall, then headed home (got home at dusk, which worked out well). >The problem with "fast" groups is there is very often someone like this >unlicensed, inexperienced rider who wants to keep up with the others. >ride smart, >Chris Norloff Yup, it seems like a double edged sword sometimes. I like to meet other bikers and ride together, but at the same time, I don't want to go out and get creamed by a inexperienced person who doesn't know how to ride in a group or at a certain pace. There is a certain amount of trust that goes along with an unknown rider. Would help if you knew how they rode, but it's a little awkward to go up and ask if you are licensed, are properly insured, what kind of experience do you have, and what pace do you ride at. Maybe we should be doing this? Wouldn't bother me...... Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 00:50:39 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13633 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.11]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 390; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:49:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3663842F.DBF3DD1C@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:52:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us , Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA MSF Courses? References: <19981127.184744.7959.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > What about that area between Manassas and Dumfries called Dumassas? ROTFLMAO! I'll have to remember that one... ;-) Even funnier, since I live between Manassas and Dumfries... Hey! Waitaminute! Come here so I can smack you! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 00:56:28 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13666 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:56:26 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr8-dialup5.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.68.197]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33510) with SMTP id <0F3900D5IV4OKB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:55:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:57:08 -0500 Subject: Re: re friday recap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <007101be1cef$712ba600$c54437a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >>snip>> >when he deciced to come with the fast group, he was told >that the fast group was going to go at 10- 15 miles over the speed >limit. Exactly, we usually go 10, 15, maybe 20 mph over ON THE STRAIGHTS. Once it gets twisty, that's out the window. If we only did 10mph over through the corners, we wouldn't be in the fast group. The "slow" group rides at least 10mph over. >He was also assured that no matter wich group he went with, he >would not be left behind. Well i only checked my speedometer one when >the speed picked up, when I passed a van at 105 in 3rd gear on rt55, >while the others on the bigger bikes pulling away from me. My friend was >simply trying to keep up, even though he was falling hoplessly behind on >the Maxim. That's funny, I don't think I've hit triple digits unless I muffed a corner or the person I'm following is not keeping up. >If i wouldnt have looked back to see how he was handling that >turn, he would have been left for dead by the others. You all need to >quit criticizing my friend for only having a learners permit. At least >he had a permit and his bike was insured and registered. The cop let him >go no problem so in essence he did nothing wrong. I bet he wouldnt have >let us go if he saw us hauling ass down 55 at about double the speed >limit. >Tom Hmm, he has a learners and you're under 21. You guys should have stayed with the slower group for sure. It's not just about you or your friend, it's about the group of people that came out to ride, not fill out accident reports. I'd be pretty pissed if my riding time was cut because some unlicensed beginner on an upright dumped it, thinking he could hang with fast, experienced, licensed riders. He got over his head and instead of slowing down and waiting for the slower group or you slowing down and riding with him, he felt rushed and pushed beyond his skills. BTW, the group stops at every turn or stop sign to make sure everybody made it. No one is out there to baby-sit, we just want to have fun - safely Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 01:10:05 1998 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA13930 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 01:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mydesktop (client196-127-25.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.25]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA16128; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 01:10:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812010610.BAA16128@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 01:02:07 -0500 To: Ray , DCCycles List From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Any interest in an ATV class? In-Reply-To: <19981130123106.2546.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This sounds like fun - the only time I tried an ATV I fell over the handlebars. :) Is this a "beginner" course? MET At 07:31 AM 11/30/98 , Ray wrote: >Any interest out there for an ATV class? I'm an ATV Safety Institute >certified instructor. I may have a place to teach in Glen Burnie >(I'll check if there's any interest) but can travel it there's enough >people. Since I don't have an ATV at the moment (no place to ride/no >place to store) there won't be a loaner available so everyone will >need their own. Same price as the ERC - double stuff Oreos and hot >chocolate. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 01:36:08 1998 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14409 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 01:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mydesktop (client196-127-25.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.25]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA19137; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 01:36:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812010636.BAA19137@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 01:30:30 -0500 To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Member List? In-Reply-To: <199812010103.UAA08002@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it's a great idea to have a single place for interested parties to post their addresses. You know, we never keep the darn things, then when we need 'em... MET At 08:03 PM 11/30/98 , Anita Lauro wrote: >Then I remembered how we tried to have a member list in a text=20 >file, and it didn't work out so well. Well, I took a stab at creating=20 >one in Excel, and uploaded it to my web space. You can view the=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 02:01:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA14891 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09767 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA28762 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA13798; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:01:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:01:19 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: battery chargers---semi-commercial Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those who didn't get one of the MCN best-buy 2-amp chargers because I ran out---I just received another shipment. Still $20; however, only one per person, please. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 02:58:31 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16377 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA06344; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:54:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:49:12 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: mileage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3662E433.2456ABD8@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > What I never did figure out the point of the newer Harleys with the LED > odometers that blank out when the bike is turned off. What's all that > about? Now you can't tell the trailer queens. ;-) Actually,the thing I find annoying is that you can only view either the odo or the tripmeter one at a time.Not a big issue since I also have a fuel gauge. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 03:00:34 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA16471 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 03:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA06361; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:57:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:55:30 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: mileage -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3662EDFD.108D2EC4@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > I'd happily pay $2-3000 for a nice used Dyna or Super Glide. > They'd be good bikes at that price. :-P If you want a cheap Harley I understand they've got good deals going on Buells. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 06:12:20 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19522 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s8.wizard.net (tc1-s8.wizard.net [206.161.15.38]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA12583 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:12:23 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: re friday recap Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 06:19:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3664ce0c.24055281@smtp.wizard.net> References: <19981201050853.16416.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19981201050853.16416.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:08:52 PST, "John Doe" wrote: >Very true, but when he deciced to come with the fast group, he was told=20 >that the fast group was going to go at 10- 15 miles over the speed=20 >limit.=20 Not to start an argument here or anything, but I heard the "fast group" defined as that before (before rides, and on this list). I really think It's misleading. If I didn't know better, I'd think I could keep up. I know better, and I know that I get left in the dust, whether it be on the straights or on the curves. =20 Somewhere along the way I got the impression that CAMS rides were not generally "fast rides." Where I got that impression, I'm not sure, but obviously I was wrong. Maybe that whole "Eat to ride, ride to eat" thing! :-) I'm sure it has a lot to do with the size of the group, and who's leading. =20 Anyhow, it looks like myself, Robert and a few others really need to keep leading "moderate" paced rides where beginners (and "moderate" speed riders) can come out and have some fun! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 06:39:13 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19886 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s8.wizard.net (tc1-s8.wizard.net [206.161.15.38]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA13742 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:39:15 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: re friday recap Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 06:46:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3665d0fe.24809789@smtp.wizard.net> References: <007101be1cef$712ba600$c54437a6@default> In-Reply-To: <007101be1cef$712ba600$c54437a6@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:57:08 -0500, dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: >Exactly, we usually go 10, 15, maybe 20 mph over ON THE STRAIGHTS. Once= it >gets twisty, that's out the window. If we only did 10mph over through = the >corners, we wouldn't be in the fast group. The "slow" group rides at = least >10mph over. Do you *really* only go 20 over on the straights? Even if you do a 25 mph turn at 75 (or higher) do you immediately slow down afterwards? I'm not saying this to be argumentative, but there is no way that the "slow group" would get left SO far behind if the "fast group" wasn't moving at warp speed. People who haven't ridden with dc-cycles (or CAMS!) before will just not understand what fast is from the description "10-15 over, faster on curves." >That's funny, I don't think I've hit triple digits unless I muffed a = corner >or the person I'm following is not keeping up. Sorry, someone in the slow group was told after the fact that the pace of the fast group on the CAMS ride was over 100 mph at times. And, they were told this by an experienced rider, on a new bike, not someone likely to be struggling to keep up. And, if you are last in line you need to go that much faster to catch up after stop signs, etc. I know, I've been there! >He got over his head and instead of >slowing down and waiting for the slower group or you slowing down and = riding >with him, he felt rushed and pushed beyond his skills. =20 You've never gotten in over your head? Or felt rushed to keep up? Even when you were a new rider? How many people like being asked if they want to go in the "slow" group? That might be a guy thing, because I've never had a problem raising my hand to be in that group. Attempts to find a more "PC" term, and make it stick, have so far been unsuccessful! :-) I think we've taken a step backwards here... we had similar discussions on this list back when the WSDY folks had their ride where too many people showed up. It is OUR job as ride leaders and ride organizers and even as "experienced group ride participants" to pass along our collective knowledge, and make sure everyone gets home safely after a ride. We can't expect rank beginners to step into our midst and instantly be up to speed on all the do's and dont's. Not when these rides are open to anyone, and posted very publicly. On Sunday's ride Brian told me that he asked the newer guys (who just joined up with us in Middleburg) to hang out at the back of the fast group until they felt comfortable. They had no problem with that and did so. I also overheard Jon and Fred (I think) talking about who they'd like to invite to go riding with them in MD from among the participants of the ride. I thought this was great. We were also very clear about the fast/slow concept, and I had a couple sport bike riders decide to hang with me and the cruisers, and we all had an enjoyable time. That's the point, right? :-) Sorry to be so long... must be the early morning hour! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 06:43:54 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19974 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:39:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: fiche reader Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:39:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I mentioned this at the time but nobody seem to see my message. I already have a micro-fiche reader! No need to get another one! Glenn > At one point in time, there was some discussion of a micro-fiche reader to > go along with the tire changer. Can't remember what came of that idea, but > there's an ad in the BMW news letter. Someone selling a fiche reader for > $50. > > BTW, what's the charge to use the tire changer for those of us who were > lazy > in sending in money for the cause? > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 07:30:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20631 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12913 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from vangogh.loudoun.com (known vangogh.loudoun.com [208.232.168.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02737 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from lcsa3.loudoun.com (sterling-internal-217.cybercable.com [204.188.41.217]) by vangogh.loudoun.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA14033 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:29:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002601be1d26$2a0e5e20$d929bccc@lcsa3.loudoun.com> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: fiche reader Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:27:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I also had one to donate, but since one is already available, that's great! I may have a few duplicate fiche for the Yamaha FJ1100. If someone would send me a mailing address, I will send, and maybe you could get a whole library eventually. -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN To: 'George Howell' ; 'DC Cycles' Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 6:52 AM Subject: RE: fiche reader >I mentioned this at the time but nobody seem to see my message. I already >have a micro-fiche reader! No need to get another one! > >Glenn > > >> At one point in time, there was some discussion of a micro-fiche reader to >> go along with the tire changer. Can't remember what came of that idea, but >> there's an ad in the BMW news letter. Someone selling a fiche reader for >> $50. >> >> BTW, what's the charge to use the tire changer for those of us who were >> lazy >> in sending in money for the cause? >> >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 07:34:01 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20708 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:33:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981201123715.2440.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send202.yahoomail.com; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 04:37:15 PST Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:37:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Any interest in an ATV class? To: "Mark E. Truelove" , DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a beginners course but it's not too slow for the experienced riders. The big difference between an ATV and MC (to a beginner) is that an ATV will not fall over while standing still. Course takes about four hours but you need an ATV since Yamaha took mine away. Ray ---"Mark E. Truelove" wrote: > > > This sounds like fun - the only time I tried an ATV I fell over the > handlebars. :) > > Is this a "beginner" course? > > MET > > At 07:31 AM 11/30/98 , Ray wrote: > >Any interest out there for an ATV class? I'm an ATV Safety Institute > >certified instructor. I may have a place to teach in Glen Burnie > >(I'll check if there's any interest) but can travel it there's enough > >people. Since I don't have an ATV at the moment (no place to ride/no > >place to store) there won't be a loaner available so everyone will > >need their own. Same price as the ERC - double stuff Oreos and hot > >chocolate. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)  http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ > 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)    1985 VF500 ('Kitty)    1972 CB350 (In Hibernation) > ============================================================================ > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 07:46:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20945 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13112 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (known portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02976 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id EAA11890 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:43:19 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:43:19 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: mileage Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:46:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I shouldn't even bother to say anything about my little 7,000 miles in one >year of weekends >>but the Big Dogs make us all look like trailer queens. :) And there's always a bigger dog Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 07:49:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20965 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13130 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (known mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA17449 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:48:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:47:50 -0500 (EST) From: Dawn Gibson To: DC Cycles Subject: slow & content Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been following the thread concerning speed for as long as I've been reading DC Cycles. I've been riding motorcycles for almost 18 years, Kawasaki, BMW and now Yamaha. I don't ride anywhere near 8000 miles in a year. I've ridden with the BMW folks and listened to their iron butt conversations with amused exasperation. And... I'm sloooowww.... very comfortable, scenery watching, cautiously slow. Always have been, always will be, and very content to be. This is one of the reasons I don't normally ride with the group rides. Everyone needs to ride thier own ride. Those who wish to ride 100+ miles an hour at dusk and weave through heavy traffic on 66 like the 3 sport bikes I saw on Saturday night, I cringe and wish them Godspeed. The fellow who wrote the other day about slow rides, don't remember his name, he had a K75s (I miss mine) gives me hope that there may actully BE someone to ride with in the area . I do worry about the riders who try to keep up with the 'fast group' but ultimately it's their choice. Hopefully they'll live to learn from the experience. We're all on two wheels and that's what counts right? Dawn, Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad *====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 08:03:46 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21228 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:03:43 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA01134 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:03:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812011303.IAA01134@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Crashing and "fast group" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:02:57 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: zbig@XXXXXX Dear John Doe ! I ride. I crashed. It sucks. In any case, blaming the group that rides too fast for your ( or someone else ) skill level is acit test that you should not ride with them. You have great tool to change it - your throttle. Roll off until speed and lean angles are cvomfortable. Yeah, I know - it hurt somewhere around ego. Belive me, it hurts much less than broken bones and torn skin. Basic rule of group ride is - yo do not feel comfortable at speed group is riding - slow down. If they won't wait for you at next road crossing, you are etitled to describe them as bunch of morons, testosteron driven speed junkies, road-hooligans, whatever. If they wait for you and haul you finally home - that is group ride dynamics. Yes, I was hanging back quite a few times. Yes, I dropped from rides when my skill level was not up to my expectations, or my gear was causing to me to too much distraction. I am happy to be alive and in one piece. If you feel you can hang with fast group, it mean you are experienced rider. if you are finding that they ride too fast - tough luck. You will have your choice on next ride. Your friend made a mistake - he went over his head - trying to catch up with a faster group. Streets are not a racing circuit. if you cannot ride with someone comfortably, tell him so - or slow down. Anita, my experience from fast group is that it is 5-10 above posted limit on straights; in curves, all bets are off. After turns, we slow down. Difference is that slow group slows down into turns, increasing instantly distance. Depending on the rider, some will pick up pace little more out of turns; other will push through turns more. When I am leading ride ( rarely :-) and I see new faces, I am not familiar with, I will purposefully slow down pace just to give everyone additional cushion of safety. But that is me. Other I know and ride with will go as usually, hoping that newcomer has at least enough brain to keep his pace at comfortable level for him. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 08:57:22 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22052 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04786 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:58:35 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC44@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Thoughts and reflections Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:58:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I wasn't on the ride on Friday, so I can't talk a whole lot about it, but I do lead a lot of the faster groupsso I can discuss that some... I think part of what happened on Friday was a communication failure. When the two new riders were told that they wouldn't be left behind, it appears they interpreted that as meaning they wouldn't ever lose sight of the person in front of them...When I lead a ride, I tend to stress the point that everyone should ride their own comfor t level and that as a leader, I will stop at the next turn and wait for everyone to show up. I know some of the group that lead the way on Friday, and no offense intended, but a couple of them do like to pop into the triple digits here and there. I do too, but it's generally at the racetrack or when I'm with a select few riders that I've known for a long long time...I prefer to ride ina fashion similar to "The Pace" article by Nick Ienatch (someone help me with a link for those who havn't heard of it). I generally stick around 70 mph and keep it there...corners and all... that way I'm getting all I can out of the corners, but those that take them a bit slower can have a chance to close the distance a bit in the straights... if I see that folks are falling behind and having to push too hard in the straights to catch up, I slow down a bit in the straights... While leading the ride on Sunday, I never once topped 80 mph...most of the time I rarely topped 70. And from what I heard it still sounded like everyone had a good time. I didn't speak directly to the new faces to the fast group cause I knew Brian already had, and he and I ride by the same philosophies for the most part. As someone mentioned, YOU are the one that controls your destiny to a point. If you're not comfortable with the pace, SLOW DOWN. It's a hell of a lot better to get lost out in Loudoun county somewhere than be dead on the side of the road. And yes Anita, it is a guy thing unfortunately. That poison testosterone tends to make us competitive by nature and always trying to measure or $%&# legth. I won't stand for that on a ride I lead. If I see that kind of thing going on, I will stop and tell them to cut it out.. If they still don't get the message, I'll simply slow it down to under the speed limit, jump on the nearest superslab and head home. Everyone should be there to have fun and enjoy riding...It's not a race, it's a ride. If you want to do the former, come ouot to the track and I'll school you a bit :) If you like the latter, come on out, there's a great amount of local road knowledge on the list and we've had numerous successful rides. Speaking of the track and fast riders in general. Know this: There is ALWAYS someone out there that is faster than you! Take it to the track if you want to find out where your skills stand. It's quite humbling when you're pushing at 110% of your ability and two bikes come around you like you were standing still!!! But from those experiences you learn...even if it's one turn at a time. As for the comment about equipment, i'm gonna have to call you on it Roy :) I'm sure the tires and suspension on my Maxim are in much worse condition than the new fella's Maxim and you knew that but stayed right behind me the previous ride :) I see your concerns about liabilities of the whole permit versus licensed rider over 21. However, as a lawyer, I'm sure you know that from the less than loose organization of the groups heading out, any good lawyer could protect you from liability caused by the new rider. That's not a situation I want to look into though. If I ever show up to a ride and people are talking about liability/waivers, etc. I will promptly leave and probably never show up to another DC-Cycles ride, but rather ride only with a few select friends. I'm in it for the pleasure of riding, and when it isn't pleasurable I won't be there... Friday was unfortunate, but crashes happen. If you ride long enough it'll happen to you too. So rather than beating these two guys up and chasing them off the list, let's make sure they know our thoughts are with them for a speedy recovery to them and the bike, and do what we can to make the next ride they come on a successful and pleasurable one.. Well, I've thought and reflected enough for now.. sure I forgot something or didn't communicate something quite the way I intended...I'd be happy to talk about anything discussed.. Collin From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:03:13 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22134 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A71D2110250; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:03:09 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981201085637.00fb20f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:02:59 -0500 To: "John Doe" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: re friday recap In-Reply-To: <19981201050853.16416.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:08 AM 12/1/98 , "John Doe" or "Tom" wrote: >Well i only checked my speedometer one when >the speed picked up, when I passed a van at 105 in 3rd gear on rt55, >while the others on the bigger bikes pulling away from me. My friend was >simply trying to keep up, Mistake. Ride your own ride, not the other guy's. > even though he was falling hoplessly behind on >the Maxim. If i wouldnt have looked back to see how he was handling that >turn, he would have been left for dead by the others. You all need to >quit criticizing my friend for only having a learners permit. Why doesn't he have a license? Surely someone who thinks he is skilled enough to keep up with 105mph racer wannabe's is skilled enough to pass the skills test. > At least >he had a permit and his bike was insured and registered. The cop let him >go no problem so in essence he did nothing wrong. Riding over your head, riding with bad tires, and failing to negotiate a turn is "nothing wrong"? >I bet he wouldnt have >let us go if he saw us hauling ass down 55 at about double the speed >limit. >Tom Agreed. Streets are no place for racer boys. Take it on the track where the real racers are. How about signing your real name on your email messages? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:03:15 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22136 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA15679 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A71E2110250; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:03:10 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981201090335.00fb3df0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:06:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Friday Ride Recap In-Reply-To: <005c01be1cea$158ade60$c54437a6@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:18 AM 12/1/98 , dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: > There is a certain amount of trust that goes >along with an unknown rider. Would help if you knew how they rode, but it's >a little awkward to go up and ask if you are licensed, are properly insured, >what kind of experience do you have, and what pace do you ride at. Maybe we >should be doing this? Wouldn't bother me...... >Jon You can get some of this just by visiting with the person. I agree that it's awkward and a little insulting to grill the new guy. You can tell a lot just by how they ride. Riders who are nothing but throttle-twisters will demonstrate that fact on the very first turn. At sane speeds, just having enough room around you will usually be enough (though I still like to be the last one in line). At stupid speeds, you have to have a lot of trust in the riders around you. It's not like a race track where you know the others actually have some qualifications. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:10:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22250 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13961 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04705 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Tue Dec 1 08:10 CST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA15179 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:10:00 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE1D0A.5753F0F0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:09:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Inexperienced Rider . . . Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:09:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to be nosy but, did anyone see the accident with the unlicensed rider? I seem to be a little sketchy on the details. (I tend to try & learn from others mistakes) As much as it pained me to read about Anita's accident, for example, I felt I learned something from it. --John 98 VFR (Fixed my electric vest & now it's 60 + degrees outside) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:11:14 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22268 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05737 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:56:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:12:26 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC47@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: [gsxr] New 98 GSXR750 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:12:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain For anyone contemplating one heck of a machine, these are some very sweet prices. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Neault [SMTP:dneault@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 3:50 PM > To: 'GSX-R mailing list' > Subject: RE: [gsxr] Used 98 GSXR750 > > I can sell you a brand new 98 for 7900$ ship to your door or a 99 for > 8300$ > > > David Neault > Phone: (888) 874-2795 > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:23:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22517 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:22:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14075 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05094 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06399; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:23:09 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC48@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: electic vest was--->RE: Inexperienced Rider . . . Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:23:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Whadya mean... it was 65 degrees outside this morning without a vest :) You sure they didn't install a compressor and evaporator on it to give you air conditioning :) Just giving you a hard time John.. Your's is homemade, correct? What clothing did you sew the wiring into? Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 9:19 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Inexperienced Rider . . . > > --John > 98 VFR > (Fixed my electric vest & now it's 60 + degrees outside) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:30:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22672 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14132 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05280 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zkqop-0007AI-01; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:30:23 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:28:07 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DCA1ED1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Weather....was...Inexperienced Rider . . . Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:27:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I know, this weather is unbelievable! I put on my leathers & a sweatshirt today and was sweating by the time I got to work! The funniest part is, I have some e-mail/internet buddies in CA who say it's disgusting out there and they can't ride!! Did we switch weather or something? LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 > --John > 98 VFR > (Fixed my electric vest & now it's 60 + degrees outside) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:35:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22766 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14191 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:35:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05432 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Tue Dec 1 08:35 CST 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA21830 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:34:55 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE1D0D.D0BB51B0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:34:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Fagan,Collin'" Subject: RE: electric vest was--->RE: Inexperienced Rider . . . Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:34:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ><You >sure they didn't install a compressor and evaporator on it to give you air conditioning :)>> OK. I fixed it about 2 weeks ago when it was 32 one morning. I used it all of one other time since then. <What clothing did you sew the wiring into? Collin)>> YES, this would be the homemade one. I sewed the wire into my liner that came with the Joe Rocket jacket. Just as Sue Huff outlined in her page, the hard part was connecting the thin 30 gauge wire to the relatively thick 16 gauge wire of the connector. (connector came from Trak Auto) This time around I sewed the connector TO the jacket so when it gets tugged on by accident or through normal use, it tugs on the jacket liner and not on the actual soldered wire connection. I also wrapped a solid piece of doorbell wire around the soldered connection and soldered that to the 16 gauge as well. Darned if it comes apart now! --John >98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:49:45 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22940 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s32.wizard.net (tc1-s32.wizard.net [206.161.15.62]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26795; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:49:21 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Fagan, Collin LT" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Thoughts and reflections Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:56:41 -0500 Message-ID: <36670234.37409868@smtp.wizard.net> References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC44@MSCEX> In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC44@MSCEX> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:58:33 -0500 , "Fagan, Collin LT" wrote: >When the two new riders were told that they wouldn't be left behind, it = appears >they interpreted that as meaning they wouldn't ever lose sight of the = person >in front of them...When I lead a ride, I tend to stress the point that >everyone should ride their own comfor t level and that as a leader, I = will >stop at the next turn and wait for everyone to show up. And, most of the time, you remember to wait! :-)=20 Seriously, though, I think you hit on a good point here. There is something definitely disconcerting about seeing the folks in front of you disappear, especially if you don't know they'll be waiting at the next stop or turn! >Friday was unfortunate, but crashes happen. If you ride long enough = it'll >happen to you too. So rather than beating these two guys up and chasing >them off the list, let's make sure they know our thoughts are with them = for >a speedy recovery to them and the bike, and do what we can to make the = next >ride they come on a successful and pleasurable one.. I agree... and I think you said it better than I did! If we ran off everyone who crashed, this list would be a rather lonely place! :-) =20 Anita '96 GPZ1100 (crashing sucks!) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:50:34 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23011 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:50:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812011450.JAA23011@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:49:28 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:44:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) -----Original Message----- From: 2xracers@XXXXXX [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:57:08 -0500, dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: >Exactly, we usually go 10, 15, maybe 20 mph over ON THE STRAIGHTS. Once it >gets twisty, that's out the window. If we only did 10mph over through the >corners, we wouldn't be in the fast group. The "slow" group rides at least >10mph over. Do you *really* only go 20 over on the straights? Even if you do a 25 mph turn at 75 (or higher) do you immediately slow down afterwards? I'm not saying this to be argumentative, but there is no way that the "slow group" would get left SO far behind if the "fast group" wasn't moving at warp speed. People who haven't ridden with dc-cycles (or CAMS!) before will just not understand what fast is from the description "10-15 over, faster on curves." Actually, yes - I was watching our pace quite often on Sunday (I had a bad feeling all day for some reason) and my speedo was hovering at the 85mph mark.. I know for certain fact that indicated 90mph on my bike is 75mph actual (calibrated curtsey of some state police once.. confirmed with 2nd bike running stock speedo AND a digital bicycle speedo). Now I assume most the roads we're on are posted 55, which may not be true. As for the corners.. typically, it seems to be twice the posted recommended speed (45 = 90, 30 = 60, 25 = 50.. etc). When you come out of the corner, you back off to let the people in back catch up - and they will probably be going faster curtsy of the whiplash effect - but not all the much if they're riding the same pace as the front runners.... On Sunday's ride Brian told me that he asked the newer guys (who just joined up with us in Middleburg) to hang out at the back of the fast group until they felt comfortable. They had no problem with that and did so. I told the guys that we typically broke into 2 groups.. a faster and a more moderate group. They jumped right in and said that they wanted to be in the fast group.. fine and dandy. That's when I asked them to hang out in back for awhile, and that they should change pecking order at one of the stops. I let them know that we were out for a good, fun ride, and didn't really want to pick up the pieces of a bike. I also let them know that we stopped and waited for everyone at each stop and most turns. Then I went off to Collin and asked that he keep it moderate for awhile because we did have 4 new-to-us riders in the group. This was done.. and, as it turned out, we probably didn't need to worry about it.. but I feel better being on the safe side.. It also hopefully made a good impression on the newcomers as well.. This was all on my own, no prompting.. it's what I'd expect were I to join a group somewhere. I did look over their bikes quickly (without drawing much attention to what I was doing) as well.. tires were good, chains were adjusted, sprockets looked not worn, and they just looked to be well-kept machines.. made me feel a little better just to know that, if nothing else, their bikes weren't the weakest part of the combination.. If I didn't know Collin.. he'd never get to ride fast with me on that heap he likes to call a motorcycle *grin* .. need to call that boy *avoid disaster man*... Brian just my $.02 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:50:50 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23012 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from wowbager (dynamic49.cais.com [207.226.56.49]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28523 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:49:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981201094719.006dc4c8@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:47:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Subject: Re: Crashing and "fast group" In-Reply-To: <199812011303.IAA01134@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ----------Snip---------- >When I am leading ride ( rarely :-) and I see new faces, I am not >familiar with, I will purposefully slow down pace just to give >everyone additional cushion of safety. But that is me. Other I know >and ride with will go as usually, hoping that newcomer has at least >enough brain to keep his pace at comfortable level for him. > >_zjt >-- >******************************************************************** >Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX >Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... > Some of the best advice I have received has come from this man. The advice was something along the lines of, If you feel that you are having to push yourself to keep up, then you are in over your head. Riding should not be too much work, Your ride should flow from one turn to the next. I find myself in between the Aggressive pack and the relaxed paced riders. All in all a pretty good place to be, you wont be left behind because of those that follow, (not that this group would leave you anyway) and the riders in front of you can alert you to any upcoming hazards. They also provide advanced awareness to any cagers on the road that there are motorcyclists on the road. (I hope) I hope to improve my riding, and one day find that the pace which is comfortable for me, is the same pace that is comfortable for the more aggressive riders. Sorry if this is a bit long. MY .02 cents Mike B. 98 ZX 900R From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:56:07 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23050 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s32.wizard.net (tc1-s32.wizard.net [206.161.15.62]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA27437 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:56:10 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crashing and "fast group" Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:03:30 -0500 Message-ID: <366b0537.38181004@smtp.wizard.net> References: <199812011303.IAA01134@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> In-Reply-To: <199812011303.IAA01134@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:02:57 -0500 (EST), zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) wrote: >I ride. I crashed. It sucks. In any case, blaming the group that=20 >rides too fast for your ( or someone else ) skill level is acit test >that you should not ride with them. You have great tool to change it - >your throttle. Roll off until speed and lean angles are cvomfortable.=20 I believe Tom was responding to the negative comments that had already been posted about his friend. Defending him, so to speak. I can understand that, especially since his friend is not on dc-cycles. In any event, I do wish him a speedy recovery, and I hope that he can get back on the road soon. Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 09:58:07 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23141 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:00:11 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:00:07 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:56:55 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: polaris victory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Folks, No time to chat or check my in box, gotta plane to catch, but this just in from Joe Parkhurst's Motorcycle Business Newsletter: "Following several reported fires, Polaris has issued a recall on the fuel system for leaks, and the tail light for failing bulbs due to chattering in the socket. The recall is for the fuel sender which may leak due to improper manufacturing, the fuel filter which can leak for the same reason, and the fuel line hose clamp for failing to seal. The recall affects models from VIN 5VPCB15D"X30000001-X30000061, about 60 bikes." Victory, meet Real Life. Real Life, Victory. Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 10:04:47 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23301 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc1-s32.wizard.net (tc1-s32.wizard.net [206.161.15.62]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28256; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:04:46 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:12:06 -0500 Message-ID: <366d05ca.38327478@smtp.wizard.net> References: <199812011450.JAA23011@meretrix.com> In-Reply-To: <199812011450.JAA23011@meretrix.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:44:39 -0800 , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Actually, yes - I was watching our pace quite often on Sunday (I had >a bad feeling all day for some reason) and my speedo was hovering at the >85mph mark..=20 Maybe it was Bambi jumping in front of me at the beginning of the ride? I was certainly on alert for the rest of the ride! :-) Okay, so I was wrong about you guy's speeds (I'm woman enough to admit it!!)... but since I usually ride 10-15 over, I figured you were going faster than that! :-) I don't do corners at 2X, though! I tried one at 3X once.... crash, scrape, scrape, ugh! :-) >This was all on my own, no prompting.. it's what I'd expect were I to = join a >group somewhere.=20 D*mn Brian, you're good! :-) Remind me to invite you to all my rides! :-) It's great that you were able to "integrate" the new folks, without bashing any male egos along the way, and everyone wound up where they wanted to be. I thought Sunday's ride was extremely successful in allowing everyone to have a good time. Definite kudos to Collin and you for that! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 10:23:49 1998 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23620 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:23:47 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA17047; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:25:25 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016885; Tue, 1 Dec 98 10:24:57 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F3A00H9NLCWVF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566CD.0053F0BC ; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:16:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:14:40 -0500 Subject: Motorcycle Racing on TV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566CD.0053CDBB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Just a quick note to those who might want to know: I noticed in the December TV listings that ESPN2 will be showing an hour of motorcycle racing this weekend. I'm sorry I can't be more specific about the time, but I don't have the listings in front of me while I type this. I'm pretty sure it was on Sunday during the middle of the day some time, but don't quote me on that. For those of us who don't get SpeedVision, this is a rare chance to watch this sort of stuff on TV. Chris Weaver '92 Seca II ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 10:27:56 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23698 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA00752; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981201152715.EUTF5890@toddnt>; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:27:15 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Subject: RE: **You Missed Something About Sunday's Ride!!** Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:28:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be1d3f$3c62b6c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <39f09746.36633e0e@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This message is well received LilBkrBabe. I will always stop to help a downtime rider and sometimes even (aaack!) a cager. Once I even took a local military type into work as his '70s Suzuki had died out in the HOV lanes on 95. I'm not superstitious or anything like that but you know what they say, "what comes around goes around." Nobody can be in such a hurry that they couldn't stop and at least make sure that the downtime is alright, safe and waiting for assistance. Carry a cell phone folks and don't forget the various offers to help right here. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX [mailto:LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 7:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; SJordan185@XXXXXX > Subject: **You Missed Something About Sunday's Ride!!** > > > Anita, the ride was spectacular. Very well planned, organized > and executed. > Great job! Thank you. > > What you all don't know is that Stan's (SJordan185@XXXXXX) bike lost all > electrical power and literally died on 340 N just a few miles > outside of Front > Royal heading toward Winchester. > > We were very fortunate that Snake (snake69@XXXXXX) decided to > go back home > our way so we had transportation to a phone. When Snake & I returned from > calling for help, there was another bike (Tom & his Gold Wing), a police > officer (a Harley rider) and another motorist (yet another rider) > that were > gathered around Stan and the bike as if to be in mourning. > > Then the flatbed came to tow Stan's bike to the Winchester HD. As we all > watched we hummed Amazing Grace as it drove off. > > To once again prove the goodness of bikers everywhere, Tom, the > total stranger > on the GW, and Snake (an incredible friend) rode Stan and I to > Hagerstown, > nearly 50 miles from Winchester! That saved the cost of towing > the bike to > Hagerstown, which was $40 for 10 miles to the dealership. The > tow truck guy > was even kind enough to deliver Stan's keys to the dealership in > Winchester so > that Stan wouldn't have to ride back the next day. THANK YOU all!! > > Although this was an inconvenient situation for at least a half a dozen > people, I've never been prouder than being a part of the biking community. > There was never a moments hesitation in Snake & Tom, they just > did what needed > to be done to help. > > Regardless of what bike you ride, you'll always have that chance to break > down. Although, odds are better if you ride a Harley... (Only > kidding honey, > I love the bike, and I still want a Heritage... but I just had > to!) We'll > repay the favor to Tom and Snake, even though it may not be Tom & Snake > directly, we will help out someone else who winds up on the side > of the road > mourning their bike. Thanks again. > > P.S. Go easy on Stan guys... I have a Yamaha V-Star Classic, and > I don't want > to hear "I told you so" if I ever break down! > Ride Safely, la > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 10:41:47 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23890 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 291; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:40:23 -0500 Message-ID: <36640E38.4E2F203@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:41:44 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: mileage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > Actually,the thing I find annoying is that you can only view either > the odo or the tripmeter one at a time.Not a big issue since I also > have a fuel gauge. Interesting. I think if (when?) I get a Harley, I'd have to go with the old-style analog gauges. I'd have to have a tach, too. I've heard too many bad things about the LCD gauges being cold-weather sensitive, and condensation on the insides during cool weather. Ick. Any other gripes? I'm very interested in your experiences with the Dyna. Hoping you have better luck than with the (cough, spit) Buells. What's routine maintenance like? Gil, didn't you have a web page or something where you wrote up your experiences with the Buells? I'd like to check it out. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 10:49:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24075 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15115 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:49:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07940 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA25797; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981201154836.FCLJ5890@toddnt>; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:48:36 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "George Howell" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: fiche reader Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:49:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be1d42$3813eeb0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <003801be1ccc$2aa64b40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 $15 each tire. > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 8:45 PM > To: DC Cycles Mailing List > Subject: fiche reader > > > At one point in time, there was some discussion of a micro-fiche reader to > go along with the tire changer. Can't remember what came of that idea, but > there's an ad in the BMW news letter. Someone selling a fiche reader for > $50. > > BTW, what's the charge to use the tire changer for those of us > who were lazy > in sending in money for the cause? > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 10:59:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24274 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15286 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08494 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA06336; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981201155847.FGPL5890@toddnt>; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:58:47 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Ursulina Viteri" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: mileage Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be1d43$a422c8f0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <009e01be1cef$64dcb560$0341accf@ursulina> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Actually, 52 weekends = 104 days or a little more than three months. And I know you don't ride every weekend, but if you did that would be 67+ miles a day. I'd say you're doing pretty good! Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Ursulina Viteri [mailto:ursulina@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 12:57 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: mileage > > > I shouldn't even bother to say anything about my little 7,000 miles in one > year of weekends. That's like a ride around the block for some of these > iron-butted folks! ;-D > > - - Ursulina > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: mileage > > > >On 30 Nov 98, at 11:40, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > >> I know what you mean. 8k in 3 months is pretty close to my > >> pace with the Concours so far. I've run up 22710 miles in the > >> 8 months since I bought the bike new. We've got nothing to be ashamed > of, > >> mileage-wise, but the Big Dogs make us all look like trailer > queens. :) > > > >Alright, alright, I'm a total and complete wimp... I'll never mention > >my puny mileage again! :-) > > > >Anita > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:00:00 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24277 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00960 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:59:43 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Motorcycle Racing on TV In-Reply-To: <852566CD.0053CDBB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I noticed in the December TV listings that ESPN2 will be showing an hour of > motorcycle racing this weekend. I'm sorry I can't be more specific about > the time, but I don't have the listings in front of me while I type this. There are at least 4 GP races and a formula extreme race on Speedvision today as well. I think the races are the Spanish and Malaysian GPs. Luckily enough, I haven't followed GP racing so even though they're april and may races I'll still be on the edge of my seat... Check www.speedvision.com for listings. We just had speedvision turned on yesterday. For those without speedvision or with the speedvision/outdoor life combo all I have to say is, nyah, nyah, nyah! Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:05:18 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24451 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01048 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:05:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:05:07 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: mileage In-Reply-To: <36640E38.4E2F203@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > > Actually,the thing I find annoying is that you can only view either > > the odo or the tripmeter one at a time.Not a big issue since I also > > have a fuel gauge. > > Interesting. I think if (when?) I get a Harley, I'd have to > go with the old-style analog gauges. I'd have to have a tach, too. > I've heard too many bad things about the LCD gauges being cold-weather > sensitive, and condensation on the insides during cool weather. Ick. Make note that many of the japanese manufacturers are going with digital guages too (e.g., the Honda SuperHawk). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:06:05 1998 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@[207.124.52.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24456 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA31664 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:07:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199812011707.MAA31664@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:06:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Bike trouble Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) I have heard once that if you put your helmet to the front or the rear of the bike ( I forget which) It serves as a distress signal to other riders. Does anyone know if there is any truth to this? Cheers, -John Newman 1988 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:15:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24659 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15502 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (known peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09051 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:15:49 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913516B5@ZEUS.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: FW: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:15:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > > On Sunday's ride Brian told me that he asked the newer guys (who just > joined up with us in Middleburg) to hang out at the back of the fast > group until they felt comfortable. They had no problem with that and > did so. > > > I told the guys that we typically broke into 2 groups.. a faster and a > more > moderate group. They jumped right in and said that they wanted to be in > the > fast group.. fine and dandy. That's when I asked them to hang out in back > for awhile, and that they should change pecking order at one of the stops. > I let them know that we were out for a good, fun ride, and didn't really > want to pick up the pieces of a bike. I also let them know that we > stopped > and waited for everyone at each stop and most turns. Then I went off to > Collin and asked that he keep it moderate for awhile because we did have 4 > new-to-us riders in the group. This was done.. and, as it turned out, we > probably didn't need to worry about it.. but I feel better being on the > safe > side.. It also hopefully made a good impression on the newcomers as > well.. > [Suazo, Tony] > My cousin Cesar and I enjoyed the ride. It was a lot of fun. There's > been a lot of discussion about this topic already, but I was compelled to > write some as well. My cousin has been riding for about 20 years (CBR 900 > RR). He got me started. This is my second season (CBR 600 F3 -- 5k last > year EX 500 -- 3K). > > My cousin was able to keep up with the group, but I would fall back from > time to time. I know that I'll improve with experience. On two > occasions, as the last guy, I got stuck behind a truck on the first leg > and behind a car on the second leg. Now, that really puts you back. But, > I rode the best I could, and the group did stop and wait for me to catch > up. My cousin and I have a saying, "There are no trophies at the end.". > > Also, the "slow" group wasn't that slow. Each time that we would stop, > they weren't but a few minutes behind. > > This was all on my own, no prompting.. it's what I'd expect were I to join > a > group somewhere. I did look over their bikes quickly (without drawing > much > attention to what I was doing) as well.. tires were good, chains were > adjusted, sprockets looked not worn, and they just looked to be well-kept > machines.. made me feel a little better just to know that, if nothing > else, > their bikes weren't the weakest part of the combination.. > [Suazo, Tony] > > My cousin and I were also checking over bikes. It's a we didn't know you, > and you don't know us type of thing. I look forward to the next ride. > > If I didn't know > Collin.. he'd never get to ride fast with me on that heap he likes to call > a > motorcycle *grin* .. need to call that boy *avoid disaster man*... > > Brian just my $.02 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:18:56 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24701 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id IAA04459 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:15:39 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:15:39 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike trouble Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:18:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I have heard once that if you put your helmet to the front or >the rear of the bike ( I forget which) It serves as a distress >signal to other riders. Haven't heard that - but a partially dismantled engine by the side of the road or the biker frantically waving arms are good signs that something is amiss ;-) Anyhoo - I've never passed a stopped biker who looked like he (or she (but it's usually a he)) was having trouble. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:27:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24854 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15760 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (known portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09647 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id IAA05914 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:23:58 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:23:58 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:26:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >My cousin and I have a saying, "There are no trophies at the end.". Actually, there are, but Collin usually has them stowed somewhere on his bike by the time the slow group (or anyone else, for that matter) catches up... ;-) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:30:15 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (send201.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24940 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:30:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981201163257.25714.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send201.yahoomail.com; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 08:32:57 PST Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:32:57 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Bike trouble To: John Newman Cc: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In some places it's common to put your helmet by the side of the road between you and traffic to signal you need help. o helmet XXX bike ---John Newman wrote: > > I have heard once that if you put your helmet to the front or > the rear of the bike ( I forget which) It serves as a distress > signal to other riders. > > Does anyone know if there is any truth to this? > > Cheers, > > -John Newman > 1988 FZR 400 > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:42:46 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25154 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06100 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:42:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199812011642.LAA06100@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:42:07 -0500 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Member List [Update] Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Okay, I've gotten lots of positive feedback and suggestions. My plan is to design a form where you can enter your info online, rather than me have tons of emails floating around. Once I get that form up (within the next few days), I'll post the URL. This will be totally voluntary, of course, and if you don't want to fill in some stuff, you can just leave the fields blank. I'm a newbie to this web publishing stuff, so it will definitely be a "work in progress" as far as adding links, pictures, etc. I've been wanting to learn how to do it for a while now, and there's nothing like a little real life project to get your feet wet on! :-) Thanks! Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:48:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25247 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16017 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10464 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06654 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:47:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199812011647.LAA06654@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:47:11 -0500 Subject: Re: FW: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Priority: normal In-reply-to: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913516B5@ZEUS.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 1 Dec 98, at 11:15, Suazo, Tony wrote: > > My cousin was able to keep up with the group, but I would fall back from > > time to time. I know that I'll improve with experience. On two > > occasions, as the last guy, I got stuck behind a truck on the first leg > > and behind a car on the second leg. Now, that really puts you back. Traffic can really mess with the "slow group" as well... I hesitate to pass cars because I'm not sure if everyone in the group will be comfortable with doing that. Sometimes you just gotta, though! :-) On Sunday I think the "fast group" softened up the cars a bit... people kept pulling off the road to let us go on by! :-) > > Also, the "slow" group wasn't that slow. Each time that we would stop, > > they weren't but a few minutes behind. That's nice to know! :-) By the time we pull up, everyone usually has their helmets off, and is standing around looking bored! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 11:49:26 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25266 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:49:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06794 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:49:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199812011649.LAA06794@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:48:42 -0500 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Member List [Update] Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199812011642.LAA06100@radagast.wizard.net> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Oops, forgot to mention that Todd and I are going to try to incorporate some of the "map data" from the signup sheet at his party! Should be pretty cool! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 12:27:37 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25945 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:22:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: mileage Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:22:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Yep and the VFR 800 has them too and at first I didn't like them but now I do. It has a digital water/air temp, odometer, plus two trip odometers. Oh and a digital fuel gauge that when you start getting near empty the last bar starts flashing. Now I wouldn't want the speedo (like the R1 and R6) or tach but I don't mind the others. Glenn > Make note that many of the japanese manufacturers are going with digital > guages too (e.g., the Honda SuperHawk). > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:10:13 1998 Return-Path: Tony.Allen@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26715 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:02:49 -0500 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 01 Dec 1998 13:02:48 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 01 Dec 1998 13:02:48 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0704B36642F48001-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0704B36642F48001 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Tony.Allen@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0704B36642F48001*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=tasc/s=Allen/g=Tony/@MHS> Date: 01 Dec 1998 13:02:48 -0500 From: Tony Allen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Message-Id: <0704B36642F48001*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=tasc/s=Allen/g=Tony/@MHS> I'm one of the new guys that rode in the (A) group this past Sunday. As stated, I along with the other new comers, was asked to ride in the back of that group. It felt good to to know that they cared about their safety as well as mine. I never felt that I had to be as quick as anyone else and the pace was reasonable for my current abilities. I always felt that I did not have to be at the front, but still enjoy the ride knowing that the group would wait up around the bend. New riders should be made welcome and to know that they are not wimps if they can not ride at the same pace as the front runners. I thank you for making my brother and I feel welcome. Thanks for the ride. Tony ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Author: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX at Internet Date: 12/1/98 10:04 AM -----Original Message----- From: 2xracers@XXXXXX [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:57:08 -0500, dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: >Exactly, we usually go 10, 15, maybe 20 mph over ON THE STRAIGHTS. Once it >gets twisty, that's out the window. If we only did 10mph over through the >corners, we wouldn't be in the fast group. The "slow" group rides at least >10mph over. Do you *really* only go 20 over on the straights? Even if you do a 25 mph turn at 75 (or higher) do you immediately slow down afterwards? I'm not saying this to be argumentative, but there is no way that the "slow group" would get left SO far behind if the "fast group" wasn't moving at warp speed. People who haven't ridden with dc-cycles (or CAMS!) before will just not understand what fast is from the description "10-15 over, faster on curves." Actually, yes - I was watching our pace quite often on Sunday (I had a bad feeling all day for some reason) and my speedo was hovering at the 85mph mark.. I know for certain fact that indicated 90mph on my bike is 75mph actual (calibrated curtsey of some state police once.. confirmed with 2nd bike running stock speedo AND a digital bicycle speedo). Now I assume most the roads we're on are posted 55, which may not be true. As for the corners.. typically, it seems to be twice the posted recommended speed (45 = 90, 30 = 60, 25 = 50.. etc). When you come out of the corner, you back off to let the people in back catch up - and they will probably be going faster curtsy of the whiplash effect - but not all the much if they're riding the same pace as the front runners.... On Sunday's ride Brian told me that he asked the newer guys (who just joined up with us in Middleburg) to hang out at the back of the fast group until they felt comfortable. They had no problem with that and did so. I told the guys that we typically broke into 2 groups.. a faster and a more moderate group. They jumped right in and said that they wanted to be in the fast group.. fine and dandy. That's when I asked them to hang out in back for awhile, and that they should change pecking order at one of the stops. I let them know that we were out for a good, fun ride, and didn't really want to pick up the pieces of a bike. I also let them know that we stopped and waited for everyone at each stop and most turns. Then I went off to Collin and asked that he keep it moderate for awhile because we did have 4 new-to-us riders in the group. This was done.. and, as it turned out, we probably didn't need to worry about it.. but I feel better being on the safe side.. It also hopefully made a good impression on the newcomers as well.. This was all on my own, no prompting.. it's what I'd expect were I to join a group somewhere. I did look over their bikes quickly (without drawing much attention to what I was doing) as well.. tires were good, chains were adjusted, sprockets looked not worn, and they just looked to be well-kept machines.. made me feel a little better just to know that, if nothing else, their bikes weren't the weakest part of the combination.. If I didn't know Collin.. he'd never get to ride fast with me on that heap he likes to call a motorcycle *grin* .. need to call that boy *avoid disaster man*... Brian just my $.02 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:14:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26794 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17982 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14519 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23092; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:15:19 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC4D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:15:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Shhh, don't tell.... Why do you think I had the trunk on the bike last sunday!! Except for the not once, but twice that I followed the wrong fork midway through rte 606 while quickly pointing an arm so the rest of the group headed the right direction... > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 11:39 AM > To: DC Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Fast/Slow - was: re friday recap > > >My cousin and I have a saying, "There are no trophies at the end.". > > Actually, there are, but Collin usually has them stowed somewhere on his > bike by the time the slow group (or anyone else, for that matter) catches > up... ;-) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:23:54 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 216; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:22:26 -0500 Message-ID: <36643432.6713CF62@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:23:46 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ursulina@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: mileage References: <000701be1d43$a422c8f0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ditto! 7000 in one year in this area is nothing to be ashamed of. Especially considering that you only get to ride on weekends. ;) Dale Todd Peer wrote: > but if you did that would be 67+ miles a > day. I'd say you're doing pretty good! > > Todd >> I shouldn't even bother to say anything about my little 7,000 miles >> in one year of weekends. That's like a ride around the block for >> some of these iron-butted folks! ;-D >> >> - - Ursulina Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:25:07 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27026 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 301; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:23:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3664347C.92E4EA31@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:25:00 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: mileage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > > Make note that many of the japanese manufacturers are going with > digital guages too (e.g., the Honda SuperHawk). Uh, oh! Looks like I've gotta start ranting about new bikes again. Hmmm, last time I did that, I ended up with one... :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:34:50 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27247 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 259; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:33:21 -0500 Message-ID: <366436C2.D8103ECB@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:34:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: mileage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn, How accurate is the fuel gauge? My Concours used to be terribly pessimistic (i.e. it would read empty with 3 or 4 gallons left in the tank) before I fixed it. The Connie has the old style lever arm and float thingy. I wonder how the VFR is set up. Dale Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > Yep and the VFR 800 has them too and at first I didn't like them but now I > do. It has a digital water/air temp, odometer, plus two trip odometers. > Oh and a digital fuel gauge that when you start getting near empty the last > bar starts flashing. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:48:22 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27576 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: mileage Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:43:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Come on now Horkster, its a Honda of course its going to be accurate! Seriously is seems to be fairly pretty much right on the money as far as I can tell. You can ask the at least 3 other VFR 800 owners on the list and I'm sure you'll get the same response. Glenn > How accurate is the fuel gauge? My Concours used to be terribly > pessimistic (i.e. it would read empty with 3 or 4 gallons left > in the tank) before I fixed it. The Connie has the old style > lever arm and float thingy. I wonder how the VFR is set up. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 13:50:47 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27697 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:45:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: mileage Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:45:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I only ride weekends too and have racked up 3700+ miles on the VFR for the 3 months I've owned it and another 5500+ miles on the Magna since about April. Glenn > Ditto! 7000 in one year in this area is nothing > to be ashamed of. Especially considering that you > only get to ride on weekends. ;) > > > > but if you did that would be 67+ miles a > > day. I'd say you're doing pretty good! > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 14:07:43 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28042 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:07:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812011907.OAA28042@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:07:13 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: VFR800's.. Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:01:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) No kidding.. what's this, some kinda copy-cat list or something? Lets all go out and get VFR800s, put corbin seats on them.. :P Hrm, what other mods.. oh, the Staintune, red rim stripes.. *chuckle* You'd think there'd be some individuality around here.. sheesh... Brian (yes this is in jest!) -----Original Message----- Come on now Horkster, its a Honda of course its going to be accurate! Seriously is seems to be fairly pretty much right on the money as far as I can tell. You can ask the at least 3 other VFR 800 owners on the list and I'm sure you'll get the same response. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 14:24:24 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com ([208.218.73.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28370 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.57] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA00868; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 14:26:46 -0500 Message-ID: <021401be1d60$2bbfab40$2a73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Subject: Re: VFR800's.. Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:24:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Yer just jealous! ;P >No kidding.. what's this, some kinda copy-cat list or something? Lets all >go out and get VFR800s, put corbin seats on them.. :P Hrm, what other >mods.. oh, the Staintune, red rim stripes.. *chuckle* > >You'd think there'd be some individuality around here.. sheesh... > >Brian > >(yes this is in jest!) > >-----Original Message----- > > >Come on now Horkster, its a Honda of course its going to be accurate! >Seriously is seems to be fairly pretty much right on the money as far as I >can tell. You can ask the at least 3 other VFR 800 owners on the list and >I'm sure you'll get the same response. > >Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 14:47:37 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28794 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00106 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:48:46 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B123DC51@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Battley's open house Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:48:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Got a flyer in the mail saying that Battley's Cycles has an open house this weekend... Looks like they're having a breakfast ride, pinball tournament, demo rides on Yamaha Venture and Road Star...10% off all the instock 98 models of BMW's Ducati's, Yamaha's and Triumphs... It also had coupons for discounts on service bills , free tire mounting with purchase of tire and free dyno run with purchase of dynojet jet kit. (anyone wants em can have em..I won't be using them) CT From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 14:55:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28932 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19374 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19621 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:55:38 -0500 (EST) From: LungHD@XXXXXX Received: from LungHD@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8UXOa27321; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:53:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3ce86217.3664491f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:53:03 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: mileage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 << Interesting. I think if (when?) I get a Harley, I'd have to go with the old-style analog gauges. I'd have to have a tach, too. I've heard too many bad things about the LCD gauges being cold-weather sensitive, and condensation on the insides during cool weather. Ick. >> Factoid: The new LCD Harley odometers do have a problem with the crystals spazzing out & killing the display. Looks like spider webs over the numbers. Seen it up close & personal, not pretty. Or readable. Factory replacing them with no questions asked so it's a bit more common than they'd like. No problem with the speedo in same unit (as far as I know, none with mine anyhow). Lung 98FLSTF (When I scrape the pegs.... it's because I forgot to put the kickstand down.) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:02:35 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29086 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by pentagon-dadc012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:57:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Bruce Norton'" , DC Cycles , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Subject: RE: VFR800's.. Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:57:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) He is... And mine will be different. I'm hoping to paint mine blue next year. And my Corbin is different then Bruce's. Glenn > Yer just jealous! ;P > > > >No kidding.. what's this, some kinda copy-cat list or something? Lets > all > >go out and get VFR800s, put corbin seats on them.. :P Hrm, what other > >mods.. oh, the Staintune, red rim stripes.. *chuckle* > > > >You'd think there'd be some individuality around here.. sheesh... > > > >Brian > > > >(yes this is in jest!) > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >Come on now Horkster, its a Honda of course its going to be accurate! > >Seriously is seems to be fairly pretty much right on the money as far as > I > >can tell. You can ask the at least 3 other VFR 800 owners on the list > and > >I'm sure you'll get the same response. > > > >Glenn > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:09:53 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29213 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.57] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA01180; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:12:26 -0500 Message-ID: <02df01be1d66$8d1e5e80$2a73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "DC Cycles" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Subject: Re: VFR800's.. Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:09:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Yeah, what he said! Blue? I thought you were going to do black? What kind of blue? (TL blue = bad luck?) >He is... And mine will be different. I'm hoping to paint mine blue next >year. And my Corbin is different then Bruce's. > >Glenn > > >> Yer just jealous! ;P >> >> >> >No kidding.. what's this, some kinda copy-cat list or something? Lets >> all >> >go out and get VFR800s, put corbin seats on them.. :P Hrm, what other >> >mods.. oh, the Staintune, red rim stripes.. *chuckle* From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:13:51 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29341 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:13:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812012013.PAA29341@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:13:08 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'Bruce Norton'" , DC Cycles , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Subject: RE: VFR800's.. Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:08:19 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Yup.. I'm jealous of the ~ $7000 extra you guys paid, and the ~$300 /year extra in insurance.. and the extra weight.. :P I'm real jealous.. and obviously because I have an old bike, I can't hang with you guys up front.. right? *grin* At least you're not riding some in-line 4 piece of crrr....errr... bike.. :) Brian -----Original Message----- He is... And mine will be different. I'm hoping to paint mine blue next year. And my Corbin is different then Bruce's. Glenn > Yer just jealous! ;P > From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:17:13 1998 Return-Path: juicingit@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f257.hotmail.com [207.82.251.148]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29483 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27494 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1998 20:16:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19981201201606.27493.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.196.31 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:16:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.196.31] From: "John Doe" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The LOWDOWN of fridays accident MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:16:04 PST Ok, I was the only one who saw the accident. My friend on the Maxim hit the gravel wich we all saw in the turn, and was from that point GONE. The rest of us( the fast group) were very fortunate that we didnt hit the gravel at the higher speeds that we were going. The worn tires that everyone is talking about, was only seen by about 4 people, yet most of the list apears to have seen it. It was well worn, but not BALD. Most of the people on this list claim to be cautious and reasonable riders, but i dont know if anyone would have been able to save it after you t drive over a bunch of gravel and sand in the middle of a turn.. A paramedic who arrived on the scene knew what happened before we even told him, the people who were there can vouch for that. I do have to say however that everybody that was actually THERE was extremely helpfull, and they only voiced concernes about the license problem AFTER they my friend out tremendously. They helped me drag my friends bike out of the dich, and make shure it was roadworthy. We even got an escort to a friends house who lived nearby: The group leader actually rode the MAXIM back. My friend new he made a mistake by going too fast, and by outriding his capabilities, and not telling the group about the learners permit. However those who were not there and were not in the least bit affected by what happened on friday were really quick to jump on the bandwagon and ridicule my friend even though they were painfully short on facts. If you observe the posts about the accident the participants of the "fast group" stated fact and observation, and carefully thought out opinions, while a good portion of the others posted quick judgements and faulty conclusions. A number of people wished my friend a speedy recovery. I want to thank those people. He is ok. He went to the hospital to get his arm checked. They removed pieces of gravel from his arm, and repacked his bandages. His thigh bruised up, so he couldnt walk by nightfall, but now his OK. He will be joining us on rides after he gets his full class M license. If there ane any further concerns and criticizms please save it for when you can tell him in person. Thank you for your time Tom K FZR600 PS: For some reason certain people are very concerned with my name. The reasons for that elude me, but they do not believe Thomas is my real name. Do they want to write me love letters? Sorry I don't putt from the ruff ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:24:45 1998 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29633 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:24:43 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA10210; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:26:24 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma009656; Tue, 1 Dec 98 15:25:13 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F3A00BX6ZCY3Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566CD.006FA2CC ; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:19:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:15:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Battley's open house To: "'dc'" Message-id: <852566CD.006F49B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Collin (or anyone); Perhaps you can tell us the location of Battley's. I'd be interested in going, but have no clue where it is. Got a phone number? TIA, Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 1 15:26:00 1998 Return-Path: juicingit@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f121.hotmail.com [207.82.250.214]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29646 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28322 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1998 20:25:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19981201202518.28320.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.196.31 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:25:17 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.196.31] From: "John Doe" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The LOWDOWN about friday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:25:17 PST Ok, I was the only one who saw the accident. My friend on the Maxim hit the gravel wich we all saw in the turn, and was from that point GONE. The rest of us( the fast group) were very fortunate that we didnt hit the gravel at the higher speeds that we were going. The worn tires