From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 09:46:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21234; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:46:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18495; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24479; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA14587; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 08:45:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA31659; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 08:45:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971201144516.SMGE18468@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 08:45:16 -0600 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 09:32 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "Gil M. Nissley" , DC Cycles Subject: 45k on a beemer...Was: why Gil keeps the Buell S1-2 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971201144516.SMGE18468@[166.41.242.141]> George Howell wrote: >>a Beemer.I seriously thought about it,but the Beemer had a few >>too many miles(45K+) and wasn't in too good of cosmetic condition. > >45000 miles?? That's just barely broken for a Beemer. Yup, just 2000 more miles and it'll be all broken.... ;-) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 10:17:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22198; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20367; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25528; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA07160 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:17:27 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma007101; Mon, 1 Dec 97 10:16:57 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA19587 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA880989004; Mon, 01 Dec 97 10:14:12 -0500 Message-Id: <9712018809.AA880989004@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 97 10:07:13 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Dec 5-7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright... seeing as we have such positive turnouts for our group rides, I'll just ask now if anyone is free and willing to go any of these 3 days. That way we can muck about and not rush it at the last minute. As always, the ride will cater towards the slower people unless there's a huge turnout - then we have 2 groups. I'll find a route (Collin, what's your web page addy again?) - otherwise, I'm planning on doing some Skyline Drive/Blueridge over these days. Sheesh, i paid $20 for a year pass and only used it once! I guess I need to fit in a few more times before March... Ride safe, Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 10:27:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22568; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20621; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25975; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id W6Q5QQN9; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:34:47 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:29:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCFD7A.DAA33DE0.anita@dlt.com> From: Anita Lauro Reply-To: "2xracers@XXXXXX" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'Brian McCoy'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Dec 5-7 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:29:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saturday, December 6th... just name the place/time. Anita On Monday, December 01, 1997 10:07 AM, Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Alright... seeing as we have such positive turnouts for our group > rides, I'll just ask now if anyone is free and willing to go any of > these 3 days. That way we can muck about and not rush it at the last > minute. As always, the ride will cater towards the slower people > unless there's a huge turnout - then we have 2 groups. I'll find a > route (Collin, what's your web page addy again?) - otherwise, I'm > planning on doing some Skyline Drive/Blueridge over these days. > > Sheesh, i paid $20 for a year pass and only used it once! I guess I > need to fit in a few more times before March... > > > Ride safe, > > Brian > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 10:33:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22790; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20814; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:33:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26264; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:33:37 -0500 (EST) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Mon Dec 1 10:28 EST 1997 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA06005 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com) by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA16450 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:33:48 -0500 Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCFE44.86663E10@XXXXXX>; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:33:12 -0500 Message-Id: To: Subject: Homemade Electric Vest Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:33:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm back from my Turkey-day trip to NJ and the electric vest worked extremely well. After a minor break in DE, I ended up making repairs at my parents house in NJ and determined a probable cause to prevent it in the future. It was so windy, MC's were banned on the TPK. (Not that I wanted to go that way on the way up) The "recipe" from the web was, for the most part, accurate. There were some little things I learned while constructing my own vest that would be valuable to those out there who are considering making their own. The difference is amazing. It's like being in a warm bath vs. swimming in the Arctic Ocean. It's also nice to be riding and think, "I'm a little chilly; I think I'll turn my electric vest on." In all seriousness, if anyone wants to know anything about it send me an e-mail. I also have a 100' spool of wire left over that I would be willing to sell. (Newark electronics minimum order is $20, (I think), so I had to order 2 rolls) Later . . --John B6 Green From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 10:39:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23123; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21003; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from CVAX3.CDRH.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26625; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cdrh.fda.gov by CVAX3.CDRH.FDA.GOV (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IQNNEBZMM88ZIXJI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:38:06 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 01 Dec 1997 10:38:01 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta CVAX3; Relayed; Mon, 01 Dec 1997 10:38:01 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 10:25:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Monahan, John C. 301-594-1212/158 fax 480-4224" Subject: Widder Lectric Vest To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 10:37:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: C93ZXDGF6FVX X400-MTS-identifier: [;10830110217991/1701479@FDADR] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Thanksgiving has taken its toll. I think it has something to do with the expanding Universe but whatever the reason I must sell my electric vest so that I can get a larger size for the expanded universe. FOR SALE Widder Ventura II Lectric Vest Size 40 color Black includes a switch cord and Battery cord. worn only 4 or 5 times = perfect condition Cost new $128 but the 1st $80 takes it. Even at the discount mail order places it is over $115 Widder describes this vest as designed for those riders who prefer wind protection and heat in the neck and body area. Features include a heated collar with ultra suede lining, heated pockets, Thinsulate Thermal insulation and a dual-slide zipper. The outer shell is made of urethane coated 200 denier Oxford weave nylon and has a 70 denier taffeta lining. for those of you into the style thing. send me an e-mail jcm@XXXXXX or call 301-854-3852 and leave a message. Now you can go ride. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 10:56:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23898; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21439; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27609; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA13479 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:55:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA21989 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971201155516.KDJW32664@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:55:16 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:55:15 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCFE47.9AE58F00.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Ride Report 11/29 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:55:11 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The day dawned cloudy, dreary and warm 50s, but I (who have implicit faith in weather predictors - yeah right) loaded up the bike and set off into the great unknown. Ok, it was Alexandria. When I arrived at the McDonalds, there were already 3 riders there - Brian McCoy, Michael Jordan and Louis Caplan. Thereafter, another 10 riders showed (in no particular order): Sean Sullivan Jeannette O'Brien Anita Lauro Peter Hartzler Roy Turner Kirk Roy Randy Dow Collin Fagan Todd Peer Mike Cruz for a total of 14 bikes (4 F3s) We broke up into two groups. Todd Peer (who so graciously constructed the route and made copies and everything) led the fast group. Roy Turner led the slow group. I rode sweep on the slower group which consisted of self-proclaimed newbies of Jeannette, Anita and Mike Cruz. Peter Hartzler also opted for the leisurely pace. We set off on S. Kings Highway. Left onto Telegraph Rd. At Route 1, jogged onto Old Colchester Rd. Roy (being very familiar with the road) rode on ahead at a spirited pace, while the rest of us led by me ( :-o) followed. Roy took over again (thank god) at Gunston Hall Rd. We continued on to Furnace Rd. Left onto Lorton Rd where we became confused and took a little excursion. After turning around in one of the Lorton Prison parking lots (and getting some interested looks), we retraced our route to find where we went wrong. The next wrong thing we did was listening to me for directions. After much more time spent scenic touring Fairfax county, we stopped at a gas station with maps and proceeded to get back on course. The route should have been Furnace, left on Lorton, then right onto Furnace again, right onto Hooes Rd, left onto Silverbrook, left onto Rt 123. We did it a little differently, but did make it to Rt 123. Right onto Hampton Rd, left onto Henderson, right onto Wolf Run Shoals Rd (lovely homes on the large side). Straight at Clifton Rd, Left onto Chapel Rd and right into a parking lot in Clifton where the fast group was lounging around, looking bored, waiting for us to show. We all stood around congratulating one another on the successful completion of the first leg of the ride (we DID get there afterall). After a short rest, we took off again. Roy switched off with Michael Jordan and we were off. And almost immediately, had to pull a U-ey to get back on course. The tradition is upheld. Main Street, straight through Newman Rd, left onto Colchester Rd, left onto Popes Head Rd, left onto Clifton Rd and quick right onto Compton (well almost, just a short excursion here). Jog on Compton Rd at Union Mill, straight at Rt 28, straight at Ordway, under 66 and a right onto Bull Run Post Office Rd. Right onto Rt 29, left onto Pleasant Valley, left onto Herndon Ave, left onto Rt 50. We stopped here for a confab and had a couple of incidents. A slight tip over (we won't mention any names, but it wasn't me) and a dead bike on restart. Anita's new baby was showing no indicator lights when the key was turned. I got out my trusty multimeter and we proceeded to test her fuses. Turns out it was just a loose battery connection, but I was prepared for the worst. All fixed, and we were off again. Right onto Rt 606, left onto Evergreen Mill Rd (Rt 621). We skipped a stop in Arcola and continued with a left onto Rt 15 and on into Leesburg where we stopped at Paynes and told lies and shot pool. If the fast group had any adventures, they kept mum. Perhaps someone will report. Louis Caplan had to leave the ride because of prior obligations and I understand that the fast group abandoned Randy Dow when he went off for gas. They're really NOT prejudiced against dual sporters. Sorry about that, Randy. At least, those of us in the leisurely group arrived with the same bikes with which we started. All in all, a fairly successful ride. Our newbies got a chance to try some twisties and we all had a chance to meet face to face and ride some interesting, fairly close-in roads. Thanks for the route, Todd. Maybe next weekend... LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 11:00:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24044; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21595; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:00:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27755; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA01332; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:04:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3482DEFB.3575F986@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 10:59:56 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jcarver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NJ Tpk was: Homemade Electric Vest References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm back from my Turkey-day trip to NJ and the electric vest worked > extremely well. After a minor break in DE, I ended up making repairs > at my parents house in NJ and determined a probable cause to prevent > it in the future. It was so windy, MC's were banned on the TPK. (Not > that I wanted to go that way on the way up) I've run into this problem once also. Is there an easy way to tell when MC's are banned? The problem I have is that if I ride up to the toll booth and get told that bikes are banned, I can't honestly go to the next entrance and take a ticket from an unmanned window. I think that bikes are class 1 and cars are class 2, meaning that bikes get a break on the toll. Is that correct? Since my destination is usually Northern Bergen County, there aren't any easy routes other than the Turnpike to get there. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 11:04:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24142; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21691; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27877; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA09475 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA32181 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:04:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971201160406.TBQB18468@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:04:06 -0600 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 11:00 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: FYI...MCN WebPage X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971201160406.TBQB18468@[166.41.242.141]> MCN is finally on the web. http://www.MCNews.com/ Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 11:16:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24531; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22031; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28265; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:16:17 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA020F89E8@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian McCoy Subject: RE: Dec 5-7 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:18:36 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > Alright... seeing as we have such positive turnouts for our group > > rides, I'll just ask now if anyone is free and willing to go any > of > these 3 days. That way we can muck about and not rush it at the > last > minute. As always, the ride will cater towards the slower people > > unless there's a huge turnout - then we have 2 groups. I'll find > a > route (Collin, what's your web page addy again?) - otherwise, I'm > > planning on doing some Skyline Drive/Blueridge over these days. > I might be persuaded into going if I can remove all of the wood from around my bike by then! > > Sheesh, i paid $20 for a year pass and only used it once! I > guess I > need to fit in a few more times before March... > Take a look at that pass again, its good till June of 98. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 11:25:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24819; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22348; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin84.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28697; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:24:51 -0500 (EST) From: Bmwbobs@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin84.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA21296; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:24:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:24:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971201112212_131957349@mrin84.mail.aol.com> To: cfagan@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Service Seminars at Bob's BMW In a message dated 97-11-28 23:49:18 EST, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Thanks for the interest. We will keep you in mind for this year as things try to take shape. Bob Henig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 11:48:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25883; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22751; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29824; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA13638 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Dec 1997 08:48:11 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Dec 1997 08:48:11 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: Ride Report 11/29 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 08:48:28 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 8 TEXT >And almost immediately, had to pull a U-ey to get back on course. >The tradition is upheld. A society without traditions has no soul... Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 11:51:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26116; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22859; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00171; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IQNPTKA05C8ZI07N@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:51:46 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 01 Dec 1997 11:43:47 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 01 Dec 1997 11:43:47 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 11:44:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Ride Report 11/29 To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 11:44:07 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1200IDF2IYRG X400-MTS-identifier: [;74341110217991/2149973@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Being unable to grasp names and faces but having less trouble with bikes I tried to match things up. Do I have this right? I'd like to be able to put names with those bikes... Kirk 88 Hawk GT, Tweety >Brian McCoy Honda VF500 >Michael Jordan Suzuki GSX1100 >Louis Caplan Kawasaki Concours? >Sean Sullivan Honda CBR600F3 >Jeannette O'Brien Honda VF500 >Anita Lauro Honda Nighthawk >Peter Hartzler Suzuki Marauder? >Roy Turner Honda CBR600F3 w/chatterbox >Kirk Roy Honda Hawk GT >Randy Dow Kawasaki KLR650 >Collin Fagan Suzuki GSXR750 >Todd Peer Honda Nighthawk >Mike Cruz Honda CBR600F3 >Linda Tanner Honda CBR600F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 12:08:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27150; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23465; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01520; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:08:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.36]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA6906; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:04:32 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Brian McCoy" , Subject: Re: Dec 5-7 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:01:44 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971201170431.AAA6906@default> Hey, y'all-- I'm going to get a reputation for saying I'll go on these rides and then not going. Well, I probably already have one...... FWIW, I'll try real hard to make this one. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 12:19:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27521; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23821; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02006; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA20722 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:18:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA10420 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971201171822.KXHE32664@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:18:22 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:18:20 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCFE53.3671CE60.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Ride Report 11/29 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:18:18 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeez, you're good. I wish I could have included this with my ride report. Next time I'll take notes. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, December 01, 1997 11:44 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Ride Report 11/29 Being unable to grasp names and faces but having less trouble with bikes I tried to match things up. Do I have this right? I'd like to be able to put names with those bikes... Kirk 88 Hawk GT, Tweety >Brian McCoy Honda VF500 >Michael Jordan Suzuki GSX1100 >Louis Caplan Kawasaki Concours? >Sean Sullivan Honda CBR600F3 >Jeannette O'Brien Honda VF500 >Anita Lauro Honda Nighthawk >Peter Hartzler Suzuki Marauder? >Roy Turner Honda CBR600F3 w/chatterbox >Kirk Roy Honda Hawk GT >Randy Dow Kawasaki KLR650 >Collin Fagan Suzuki GSXR750 >Todd Peer Honda Nighthawk >Mike Cruz Honda CBR600F3 >Linda Tanner Honda CBR600F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 12:34:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28002; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24185; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02629; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:34:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.35.88.167] (1Cust167.tnt4.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.88.167]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26635 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:34:15 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:34:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Homemade Electric Vest >I'm back from my Turkey-day trip to NJ and the electric vest worked >extremely well. After a minor break in DE, I ended up making repairs >at my parents house in NJ and determined a probable cause to prevent >it in the future. It was so windy, MC's were banned on the TPK. (Not >that I wanted to go that way on the way up) The "recipe" from the web >was, for the most part, accurate. There were some little things I >learned while constructing my own vest that would be valuable to those >out there who are considering making their own. The difference is >amazing. It's like being in a warm bath vs. swimming in the Arctic >Ocean. It's also nice to be riding and think, "I'm a little chilly; > I think I'll turn my electric vest on." In all seriousness, if >anyone wants to know anything about it send me an e-mail. I also have >a 100' spool of wire left over that I would be willing to sell. > (Newark electronics minimum order is $20, (I think), so I had to >order 2 rolls) Later . . > >--John >B6 Green Hmmm. Some electric chaps would be damn nice. Could you briefly outline material costs and time? I'd appreciate it! Perhaps you could post the URL for the site as well? Sorry if I missed it before. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 12:40:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28196; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24294; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02764; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:40:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21230 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:40:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06923 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:40:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712011740.MAA06923@clark.net> Subject: Feel good ride on Sat Dec 6 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:40:16 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I enjoyed meeting some of you last Saturday. Even if I did get in the wrong group (I didn't mean to get with the fast group... sorry if I slowed people down behind me). I saw that some of you are already discussing another ride. I'd like to make a suggestion. This Saturday, Cycle Sport (Springfield and Herndon) are continuing a long honored tradition. (Okay, this is the 2nd time they are doing it). It's a morTOYcycle run. I was in this last year. People meet at either of the two locations, and bring a wrapped up toy. We then ride (the long way) to the Salvation Army Xmas HQS in DC and deliver our toys. Last year we got a tour, and they explained how the toys are distributed to families in need. Then they provided some coffee, cookies, and the like. In front of the building there were motorcycles lining both sides of the street and the sidewalks! Afterwards we rode back to Cycle Sports and they had some door prizes to give out. While it may not have been a wild curvy ride, it did feel good at the end (all together now... aawwwwww). I already bought a few toys for this year. I'll be going to the Springfield store, they are meeting at 10:30 am on Saturday. The Salvation Army would like the gifts to be wrapped with a tag telling if it is for a boy or girl and what age. For more info, here are the phone numbers: Cycle Sports Springfield - 703-451-9330 Cycle Sports Herndon - 703-471-6990 BTW: I don't work for either of these places, I just think it's a nice thing they are doing and wanted to spread the word. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 13:32:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29873; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25917; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin45.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04490; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:31:45 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin45.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA25504 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:31:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:31:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971201133113_1806923428@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rides?? Could some nice person let me know what the upcoming rides are?????? Thanks in advance, The newbie on the rocket, Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 13:36:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00030; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26047; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin47.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04643; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:35:59 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin47.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA27659 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:35:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:35:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971201132709_-1973537757@mrin47> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Report 11/29 Hey yall.....time to add another biker to the list. I will be joining the group rides shortly (or maybe not so shortly). Heres my personal info....... Name: Jack Pethtal Home: Alexandria VA (Mt Vernon Area) Age: 21 almost 22 Ride: 97 Green Suzuki TL1000S Email: WantA ZX6@XXXXXX (by the way, the email address came b4 the TL) Work: US Dept of Health and Human Services Rockville MD Job: Network Administrator I hope to go on some rides with yall soon.....as long as Collin ISNT leading....HAHAHA (inside joke) Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 13:39:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00083; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26159; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04752; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13490; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:38:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19716; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:38:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712011838.NAA19716@clark.net> Subject: Re: NJ Tpk was: Homemade Electric Vest To: mrider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:38:46 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <3482DEFB.3575F986@illuminet.net> from "Leon Begeman" at Dec 1, 97 10:59:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I think that bikes are class 1 and cars are class 2, meaning that bikes > get a break on the toll. Is that correct? Wasn't for me. I got charged full car rate everytime I was on the bike. Anyone know if they still clock the tickets to see your average speed? I've heard of people getting speeding tickets when they exit because their average speed was too high. (I was once advised to slow down on the NY Throughway when the guy looked at the time I got on, but other than that I didn't get any grief) Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 13:44:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00296; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26341; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05042; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA06432 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca004.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.103]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA15519 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA004 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:29:07 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA34648B8D5E@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: New MC Thread ... Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:28:55 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ladies and Gentleman, I direct your attention to Page A24 of Today's Washington Post. More specifically to a Letter to the Editor entitled "Speed Kills". Judith Lee Stone, President, Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety, makes what I believe to be a weak attempt to refute a previous article by George Will, in which he discussed the raising of speed limits (on interstates), and how they appear to be loosely or even unrelated to traffic fatalities. I guess what sets me off about her comments, is that she "blindly" cites numbers with nary a mention of average speeds, traveling times or driving distances/conditions. She implies that fatalities are up solely based on changing the signs and not at all related to the 85% rule and other traffic idioms. No mention is made of any intervening variables and little proof is given that raising the limits actually show any correlation to increased traffic fatalities. The type of reaction she gave really chaffs my butt and I would like to hear everyone else's opinion on the subject. Perhaps if I get enough responses (some of which hopefully will be statistically valid), I will write a response and submit it to the Post. Here's our chance, let's hear it. Now back to your regularly scheduled ... Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 13:47:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00455; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:47:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26368; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05198; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA06338; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:50:50 -0500 Message-ID: <348305FD.63C25F8F@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 13:46:21 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: NJ Tpk was: Homemade Electric Vest References: <199712011838.NAA19716@clark.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've heard that rumor as well, but the couple of times that I've gone through without stopping, nothing happened. Leon. Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > > > I think that bikes are class 1 and cars are class 2, meaning that bikes > > get a break on the toll. Is that correct? > > Wasn't for me. I got charged full car rate everytime I was on the bike. > > Anyone know if they still clock the tickets to see your average speed? I've > heard of people getting speeding tickets when they exit because their average > speed was too high. (I was once advised to slow down on the NY Throughway > when the guy looked at the time I got on, but other than that I didn't get > any grief) > > Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 14:20:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01578; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27217; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06630; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.35]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA21635; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:19:16 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: New MC Thread ... Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:16:29 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971201191915.AAA21635@default> Chris-- What a load of shite. Fatality rates are down. We all know the only relevant way to express this is with a rate, like deaths per million miles driven. Automobile deaths are 60000 times greater than they were in 1860. However, deaths per million miles driven are only something like 2.5 times higher. The letter-writer you mention knows this, (or should) but it does not support her agenda. It would not do her any good to recognize that there are more cars this year than last year, and the year before, ad infinitum, and they are driven more miles by more people. Of course more people (in absolute numbers) will die. If more people had bathtubs, more people would die in them. In 1860, there were no cars and no highways, so nobody could die as a result of them. However, deaths per million miles driven have been decreasing steadily since they first started counting (If I recall correctly), even though there are many more people, driving many more cars, many more miles, and increasing every year. I honestly believe that my one individual vote in this, the greatest country on earth, with the best political system on earth, is absolutely worthless. My one individual campaign contribution dollar is worthless as well. The only way to wield power is as a collective. I will give my money to an organization that can effectively combine my money with others' money to influence politicians' actions. I will ask that I be counted among the members of that organization, who will, en masse, vote to support politicians who represent our views. That mass action and combined financial power is the only way to frighten or bribe our elected representatives into doing what we want. Unfortunately, this is not an original idea. Insurers and chicken-littles make a lot of money ( _our_ money) by spouting this crap and outbidding us for the purchase of our representatives. I don't know the answer to this. I certainly wouldn't trade our flawed system for any other one humankind has known thus far. That's all I have to say about that. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 14:21:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01609; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27268; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06705; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.35]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA22486; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:20:51 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Leon Begeman" , "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: NJ Tpk was: Homemade Electric Vest Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:18:04 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971201192050.AAA22486@default> Y'all-- I, too have heard that rumor. Never been hassled on NJ or any other Turnpike, tho my average speed is always well over the limit. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 14:42:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02304; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27761; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07535; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:42:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from earthlink.net (ip7.herndon7.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.5.7]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18848 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:42:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3483133A.A60C360B@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 14:42:51 -0500 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Computer motorcycle games Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------653FF062F3ADB45054529A35" --------------653FF062F3ADB45054529A35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow list readers: FYI Below are two links for motorcycle computer game demos--try before you buy. The games would make good Xmas gifts or something to do when the weather is not conducive to riding. DO NOT attempt to compete against teenagers. The following link is for "ManxTT Super Bike". http://www.download.com/PC/Result/TitleDetail/0,4,0-31591-g,501000.html The next link is for "Moto Racer". I just got the full game and can tell that I will never be able to proceed to the advanced tracks. To advance you have to place in top three places in the first four tracks--two road, one motocross, one snow/ice. http://www.ea.com/eastudios/eastudios.html - Select "Moto Racer" - Select "Demo". Enjoy. --------------653FF062F3ADB45054529A35 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow list readers:

FYI

Below are two links for motorcycle computer game demos--try before you buy. The games would make good Xmas gifts or something to do when the weather is not conducive to riding. DO NOT attempt to compete against teenagers.

The following link is for "ManxTT Super Bike".

http://www.download.com/PC/Result/TitleDetail/0,4,0-31591-g,501000.html

The next link is for "Moto Racer". I just got the full game and can tell that I will never be able to proceed to the advanced tracks. To advance you have to place in top three places in the first four tracks--two road, one motocross, one snow/ice.

http://www.ea.com/eastudios/eastudios.html
- Select "Moto Racer"
- Select "Demo".

Enjoy. --------------653FF062F3ADB45054529A35-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 14:49:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02558; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28013; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07738; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02705; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from BERGIE.PARAGON ([207.152.132.67] (may be forged)) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13423 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:53:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712011953.OAA13423@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: This weekend Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:46:58 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Count me in for any group rides this coming weekend! December 6th or 7th.. I've missed the last few, so I definatley want in on the next one.. Berg/ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 15:15:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03407; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28766; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08743; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02) id AAB913D0126; Mon, 01 Dec 1997 15:14:49 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971201151422.0096d270@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 15:14:22 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: New MC Thread ... In-Reply-To: <19971201191915.AAA21635@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:16 PM 12/1/97 -0500, kevin thomas wrote: > However, deaths per million miles driven have been >decreasing steadily since they first started counting (If I recall >correctly), even though there are many more people, driving many more cars, >many more miles, and increasing every year. That's what I recall from the studies I've seen. As the states have increased their speed limits, some states have had higher accident rates and some have had lower. There are so many confounding factors (factors that have not been controlled) that you can get lots of different conclusions, depending on what you look at. The over-riding conclusion seems to be that with low Interstate speed limits, traffic moves off onto the secondary roads, which are well agreed to be more "dangerous". With higher Interstate speed limits, traffic moves back onto the Interstates -- this typically (not always) results in MORE accidents on Interstates, but a LOWER overall accident rate, since there's less traffic on the more dangerous secondary roads. The Washington Post letter writer gave two suspicious facts -- fatality rates increased 12% on Interstates when the state-wide average increased only 6%. This reeks of manipulation, since it speaks of averages, and the state-wide average presumably includes the Interstates in that state. It's entirely feasible that the Interstate rates increased, the secondary road rates DECREASED, and the average is a small increase. In addition, the letter writer addressed only one state, with that fatality rate increase, and did not mention the states that have had rate decreases. True evaluations of all facts like these were the bases of an FHWA (Fed Hwys) report, as I recall, that showed how increasing speed limits on Interstates would save lives. The report was not widely disseminated, for some reason. :-P The letter-writer's appeal about Montana daytime speed limits and the "carnage on the roads" speaks to sound bites rather than scientific analysis. Just as a horrific airplane accident with 200 fatalities rates front page coverage but 100 deaths a day on highways do not rate front page coverage, so too do terrible accidents on Interstates rate front page coverage, and lower average fatality rates do not rate attention. It's hard to fight letters like this because analysis requires original research, and the reports themselves, not some cleansed summaries. Analysis also requires trying to figure out what you don't know (like the above example when the letter writer didn't compare Interstates to secondary roads, but compared Interstates to Interstates + all other roads). Look for improper comparisons (like above) and look for changing bases of evaluation -- such as, total fatalities, fatalities per registered vehicle, and fatalities per mile driven. good luck, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 15:29:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03821; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29182; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09261; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA07020 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:28:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA13445 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971201202819.VAGF18468@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:28:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 15:19 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Linda Tanner CC: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Ride Report 11/29 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971201202819.VAGF18468@[166.41.242.141]> Hey Linda, that is a good write up! I nominate Linda Tanner as our official DC-Cycles journalist/coorespondent! Any "here, here's?" ................ As for the fast group, well? Ok, I'll add a few bits for your imagination. We pretty much rode pace up to the first stop. I had never been on Hampton road, but plan to return when it is safe from beat-up old vans carrying christmas trees at 25mph!! Pretty twisty. Chapel road is a favorite of mine, and I was glad to turn some of you on to it. The best part, IMO, is the sudden drop-off followed by a less severe one and another more severe one....and at the bottom of the hill, a quick right, straight away, and quick left....yeeeeHaaww! After we left the first stop, the pace picked up a wee bit. At one point, coming down Popes Head (another nice road) and just past the first turn at the rumble bumps, I got in a little to hot on the second. This is a quick 10mph 'S' turn that you should really try and do at 10mph. I think I was up around 30 for the second bit and, er, well lost a little traction in the rear. Ended up standing up and braking across the double yellow....Yow! Through and up to Evergreen Mills road we kept a consistant 10-20mph over the limit. But that apparently wasn't fast enough for one Suzuki owner we all know....Collin! Blows by me (leading) and I just have to _try_ and follow. Could'a done it with a little (A LOT) more horsepower, but had to settle for just under a buck. Damn rev-limiter kept hounding me. My fault since I keep making believe I have more than 8,500 available rpms. We got to the rt 15 turn up into Leesburg and decided to try some other (less for me and more familiar to Collin) roads that would lead us around and into Leesburg again. We stopped once for some to go pee, and promptly lost Randy. We looked around and in front of that building, but to no avail. From here, we took off for a quick round'about that included passing an old pickup with a Harley sticker in the rear. I think he thought he was riding, because man he was keeping it around 75mph =:0..."I ain't let'n no jap-crap pass me by damnit!" We made it by and found our way to Paynes, where Collin reported to all that he had nearly high-sided at...mumble mumble..mph! Scarry! Shot some pool and socialised for about an hour/half and split for home. A good day. Todd _____________________________________________________________ Linda T's account..... __________________________ The day dawned cloudy, dreary and warm 50s, but I (who have implicit faith in weather predictors - yeah right) loaded up the bike and set off into the great unknown. Ok, it was Alexandria. When I arrived at the McDonalds, there were already 3 riders there - Brian McCoy, Michael Jordan and Louis Caplan. Thereafter, another 10 riders showed (in no particular order): Sean Sullivan Jeannette O'Brien Anita Lauro Peter Hartzler Roy Turner Kirk Roy Randy Dow Collin Fagan Todd Peer Mike Cruz for a total of 14 bikes (4 F3s) We broke up into two groups. Todd Peer (who so graciously constructed the route and made copies and everything) led the fast group. Roy Turner led the slow group. I rode sweep on the slower group which consisted of self-proclaimed newbies of Jeannette, Anita and Mike Cruz. Peter Hartzler also opted for the leisurely pace. We set off on S. Kings Highway. Left onto Telegraph Rd. At Route 1, jogged onto Old Colchester Rd. Roy (being very familiar with the road) rode on ahead at a spirited pace, while the rest of us led by me ( :-o) followed. Roy took over again (thank god) at Gunston Hall Rd. We continued on to Furnace Rd. Left onto Lorton Rd where we became confused and took a little excursion. After turning around in one of the Lorton Prison parking lots (and getting some interested looks), we retraced our route to find where we went wrong. The next wrong thing we did was listening to me for directions. After much more time spent scenic touring Fairfax county, we stopped at a gas station with maps and proceeded to get back on course. The route should have been Furnace, left on Lorton, then right onto Furnace again, right onto Hooes Rd, left onto Silverbrook, left onto Rt 123. We did it a little differently, but did make it to Rt 123. Right onto Hampton Rd, left onto Henderson, right onto Wolf Run Shoals Rd (lovely homes on the large side). Straight at Clifton Rd, Left onto Chapel Rd and right into a parking lot in Clifton where the fast group was lounging around, looking bored, waiting for us to show. We all stood around congratulating one another on the successful completion of the first leg of the ride (we DID get there afterall). After a short rest, we took off again. Roy switched off with Michael Jordan and we were off. And almost immediately, had to pull a U-ey to get back on course. The tradition is upheld. Main Street, straight through Newman Rd, left onto Colchester Rd, left onto Popes Head Rd, left onto Clifton Rd and quick right onto Compton (well almost, just a short excursion here). Jog on Compton Rd at Union Mill, straight at Rt 28, straight at Ordway, under 66 and a right onto Bull Run Post Office Rd. Right onto Rt 29, left onto Pleasant Valley, left onto Herndon Ave, left onto Rt 50. We stopped here for a confab and had a couple of incidents. A slight tip over (we won't mention any names, but it wasn't me) and a dead bike on restart. Anita's new baby was showing no indicator lights when the key was turned. I got out my trusty multimeter and we proceeded to test her fuses. Turns out it was just a loose battery connection, but I was prepared for the worst. All fixed, and we were off again. Right onto Rt 606, left onto Evergreen Mill Rd (Rt 621). We skipped a stop in Arcola and continued with a left onto Rt 15 and on into Leesburg where we stopped at Paynes and told lies and shot pool. If the fast group had any adventures, they kept mum. Perhaps someone will report. Louis Caplan had to leave the ride because of prior obligations and I understand that the fast group abandoned Randy Dow when he went off for gas. They're really NOT prejudiced against dual sporters. Sorry about that, Randy. At least, those of us in the leisurely group arrived with the same bikes with which we started. All in all, a fairly successful ride. Our newbies got a chance to try some twisties and we all had a chance to meet face to face and ride some interesting, fairly close-in roads. Thanks for the route, Todd. Maybe next weekend... LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 15:36:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04149; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29426; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin38.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09585; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:36:44 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin38.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA24495 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:36:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:36:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971201153613_496286727@mrin38> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This weekend In a message dated 97-12-01 14:58:24 EST, you write: Count me in too!! Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 16:02:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05114; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29973; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin47.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10348; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:00:34 -0500 (EST) From: AWheat@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin47.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA24894 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:00:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:00:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971201155642_-153738303@mrin47> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speaking of Collin Leading...(meant to be humorous) In a message dated 97-12-01 13:43:49 EST, you write: > > Hey yall.....time to add another biker to the list. I will be joining the > group rides shortly (or maybe not so shortly). Heres my personal info....... (snip) > I hope to go on some rides with yall soon.....as long as Collin ISNT > leading....HAHAHA (inside joke) > > Jack Speaking of Collin leading, is your bike OK? (referring to inside joke as mentioned above.) I'm sure a few others on the DC Cycles list could share in your experience following Collin. :) Consider it an initiation ritual (just kidding). But just imagine what would have happened if you followed him into the turn AFTER the rain started that day. Good to see you're still looking to ride, but next time it's somebody else's turn, right Jack? he he he Alan AWheat@XXXXXX http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 16:14:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05612; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00338; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10948; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA18038; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA17792; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971201211232.LZDA32510@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:12:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:03 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Speed Kills Was: New MC Thread ... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971201211232.LZDA32510@[166.41.242.141]> At best, Ms. Stone has perported to argue in favor of her bias using bad technique. The same bad technique she accuses Mr. Will of using. If I had the time and/or energy, I'd drill holes in all her shoddy sylogisms. But I don't. However, for your amusement here is the letter Chris Meier referred to. Todd -----------Begin ---------------------- Speed Kills Monday, December 1, 1997; Page A24 The Washington Post In his column "Why Speed Doesn't Always Kill" [op-ed, Nov. 6], George Will concludes that higher speed limits have resulted in safer highways. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, in 1996, the year speed limits went up, the number of fatalities for the country as a whole increased. Mr. Will says fatalities per vehicle mile traveled, what experts call the "fatality rate" -- and not the number of fatalities -- is the critical measurement. Yet even by this yardstick, the nation's highways have not become safer. If his thesis is correct, the fatality rate should have gone down. However, the fatality rate for 1996 was the same as that of the previous four years. The rate remained at 1.7 fatalities for every million vehicle miles traveled since 1992, before the repeal of the national speed limit. Moreover, a recent Insurance Institute for Highway Safety study of the first dozen states to raise their speed limits concludes that fatalities rose by 12 percent on Interstates and freeways subject to higher speed limits, and by 6 percent on all roads in those states. Higher speed limits are part of the problem, not the solution. In 1974, when the national speed limit became permanent, 9,000 fewer people were killed in motor vehicle crashes than were killed the year before. The National Academy of Sciences concluded in a 1985 study that most of the lives saved that year -- as many as 5,000 -- were the direct result of the lower national speed limit. In fact, the academy said that the national speed limit saved between 2,000 and 4,000 lives each year in the 1970s and early 1980s. Mr. Will puts aside these impressive, real-world facts, instead relying on the theory of economists Charles Lave and Patrick Elias. However, if their theory is to be believed, more people should have been killed in 1974, not fewer. Then, in 1987, when speed limits were increased to 65 mph on most rural interstates, studies by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and others proved that highways subject to these higher speed limits experienced a 30 percent increase in fatalities. Since the 1995 repeal of the national speed limit, 36 states have raised their limits. A look at state fatality data on roads posted at higher speed limits shows considerable increases in deaths. In Texas, for example, fatalities increased nearly 18 percent after the speed limit was raised to 70 mph on thousands of miles of highways. In fact, state officials were so concerned by the additional carnage that they held public meetings and have conducted additional traffic studies. As a result, the Texas Transportation Commission recently approved an emergency rule to allow department of transportation engineers more flexibility in recommending lower speeds to the commission, and officials have cut the speed limit on many miles of state roads. A similar situation arose in Montana, which opted to eliminate its daytime speed limit and institute a limit of 65 mph at night. But the state legislature is considering reinstating a daytime speed limit after a 30 percent jump in traffic fatalities was reported in the first eight months of this year. Montana citizens support the measure by a 2-to-1 margin. Many other states, including California, New Mexico, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri and South Dakota have reported similar results regarding the lethal effects of higher speed limits. Mr. Will should have examined more closely the overwhelming evidence that increased speed limits lead to more deaths and injuries before he rushed to his conclusion based on a theory that ignores the facts. Mr. Will ends his column by stating that the speed-limit story is a "cautionary tale about the complexity of discerning reality in a welter of statistics." He should be the first to consider his own advice. The fact remains that speed kills. JUDITH LEE STONE President Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety Washington --------------End -------------- Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA34648B8D5E@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: New MC Thread ... Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:28:55 -0800 Ladies and Gentleman, I direct your attention to Page A24 of Today's Washington Post. More specifically to a Letter to the Editor entitled "Speed Kills". Judith Lee Stone, President, Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety, makes what I believe to be a weak attempt to refute a previous article by George Will, in which he discussed the raising of speed limits (on interstates), and how they appear to be loosely or even unrelated to traffic fatalities. I guess what sets me off about her comments, is that she "blindly" cites numbers with nary a mention of average speeds, traveling times or driving distances/conditions. She implies that fatalities are up solely based on changing the signs and not at all related to the 85% rule and other traffic idioms. No mention is made of any intervening variables and little proof is given that raising the limits actually show any correlation to increased traffic fatalities. The type of reaction she gave really chaffs my butt and I would like to hear everyone else's opinion on the subject. Perhaps if I get enough responses (some of which hopefully will be statistically valid), I will write a response and submit it to the Post. Here's our chance, let's hear it. Now back to your regularly scheduled ... Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 16:24:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05962; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00535; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:22:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11266; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:17:43 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:22:01 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Ride Report I had a blast and a half with everyone on Saturday. Nice job with the route, Todd. Those were some great roads. I can do a ride this Saturday morning. Unfortunately, I will have to peel off by about 1 pm. Sean '95 CBR F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 16:29:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06215; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00704; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11452; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA29437; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:27:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA10310; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:27:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971201212733.MRQK32664@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:27:33 -0600 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:20 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "kevin thomas" CC: "Meier, Christopher" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: New MC Thread ... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971201212733.MRQK32664@[166.41.242.141]> Kevin bristled...... >I honestly believe that my one individual vote in this, the greatest >country on earth, with the best political system on earth, is absolutely >worthless. My one individual campaign contribution dollar is worthless as well. The only way to wield power is as a collective. I will give my money to an organization that can effectively combine my money with others' money to influence politicians' actions. I will ask that I be counted among the members of that organization, who will, en masse, vote to support politicians who represent our views. That mass action and combined financial power is the only way to frighten or bribe our elected representatives into doing what we want. Unfortunately, this is not an original idea. Insurers and chicken-littles make a lot of money ( _our_ money) by spouting this crap and outbidding us for the purchase of our representatives. > >I don't know the answer to this. I certainly wouldn't trade our flawed >system for any other one humankind has known thus far. > >That's all I have to say about that. Aw, man! C'mon! I was only halfway through singing, "Sweet land of Liberty", and you just broke off! Todd (a true patriot) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 17:34:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08857; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03731; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13528; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.81] (1Cust81.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.240.81]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13420 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:33:57 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA34648B8D5E@xcgva001.grumman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:34:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: New MC Thread ... >Ladies and Gentleman, > >I direct your attention to Page A24 of Today's Washington Post. More >specifically to a Letter to the Editor entitled "Speed Kills". As anyone with an introductory course in college physics can tell you: It's not speed that kills: it's difference in speed. We should all write in to the OpEd page lambasting this [sneer] individual. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 1 23:43:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19477; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10546; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from UPIMSSMTPSYS04 by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21399; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:43:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR04 - 207.68.143.160 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:42:40 -0800 Received: from Pvector.iea.com - 204.227.164.78 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:42:39 -0800 From: "Bruce B. Dimon" To: Subject: Re: Multivex mirrors Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:41:09 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <0791139420402c7UPIMSSMTPUSR04@email.msn.com> >I put Multivex mirrors on my Honda GL1500. These are mostly flat in the >middle and gradually curve convex towards the sides. The result is that >there is almost no blind spot. When a car passes me in the left lane, I >can >see his front bumper out of the corner of my eye while facing forward >and >simultaneously see his back bumper in the edge of the mirror. > >Where to buy? Price? > MultiVex 2144 Fordway Toledo, OH 43606 (419) 535-0039 $69.95 = $5 S/H Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX GL1500 Wing for Go, Not for Show! Coeur d'Alene, Idaho (It's Core-duh-lane, Eye-duh-hoe) Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 00:29:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20991; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12700; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22176; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-21.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.62]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA05511 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:28:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199712020528.AAA05511@thehub.knight-hub.com> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: New MC Thread ... (AMA> on limits) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:26:46 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Monday Night's idle hands -- Thought a swing through the AMA site might ignite light and insight on issue of speed and limits. No such luck. Could find no reference to this issue amid helmet laws and access and more. Hmmm. Wonder about MSF, MIC, MRF, ABATE, etc. with an official bikeposition (and lots of MC data) lurking someplace out there? Ready to ride to our side? Ho Hum. Bedtime. Bill Swanson '96 Vulcan 500 Downtown DC AMA + ---------- > From: Alan Lapp > >Ladies and Gentleman, > > > >I direct your attention to Page A24 of Today's Washington Post. More > >specifically to a Letter to the Editor entitled "Speed Kills". > > As anyone with an introductory course in college physics can tell you: > > It's not speed that kills: it's difference in speed. > > We should all write in to the OpEd page lambasting this [sneer] individual. > > Al > level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 09:15:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01313; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21682; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay5.UU.NET by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28765; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:15:43 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) id QQdser16314; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256561.004E3BCC ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:14:31 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256561.004DD1DD.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:14:11 -0500 Subject: Re: NJ Tpk was: Homemade Electric Vest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=K2wqXJvNsvpTh8s70FxmFFuux1axLeskZNE5dl6kx1gJKLj8Bpr4QVD6" --0__=K2wqXJvNsvpTh8s70FxmFFuux1axLeskZNE5dl6kx1gJKLj8Bpr4QVD6 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Leon (and all), No, bikes don't get a toll break on the NJ Turnpike, at least thats what I've encountered riding between NYC and DC...its always been the same cost for me to ride the bike or drive the car. Bikers get a toll break on all the NYC bridges and tunnels, though...$3 instead of $4. There may be a Turpike Information phone number you can call the day of your trip to find out if there any restrictions for that day. -Doug '81 GS750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved Leon Begeman at to file: AMS-Internet PIC09722.PCX) 12/01/97 07:20 PM To: jcarver @ dcn.att.com at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: NJ Tpk was: Homemade Electric Vest jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm back from my Turkey-day trip to NJ and the electric vest worked > extremely well. After a minor break in DE, I ended up making repairs > at my parents house in NJ and determined a probable cause to prevent > it in the future. It was so windy, MC's were banned on the TPK. (Not > that I wanted to go that way on the way up) I've run into this problem once also. Is there an easy way to tell when MC's are banned? The problem I have is that if I ride up to the toll booth and get told that bikes are banned, I can't honestly go to the next entrance and take a ticket from an unmanned window. I think that bikes are class 1 and cars are class 2, meaning that bikes get a break on the toll. Is that correct? Since my destination is usually Northern Bergen County, there aren't any easy routes other than the Turnpike to get there. Leon. 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M2B!4<&L@=V%S.B!(;VUE;6%D92!%;&5C=')I8R!697-T#0I2969E; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:42:43 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D31C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dec 5-7 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:42:30 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Count me in, too...barring any rain! Just let me know which day... I got my first chance at SLIPPITY SLIP Sunday. I skidded the bike in the damn rain TWICE. Oh well, good practice, I guess, and I didn't drop the bike! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 01, 1997 10:07 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Dec 5-7 > > > Alright... seeing as we have such positive turnouts for our group > > rides, I'll just ask now if anyone is free and willing to go any > of > these 3 days. That way we can muck about and not rush it at the > last > minute. As always, the ride will cater towards the slower people > > unless there's a huge turnout - then we have 2 groups. I'll find > a > route (Collin, what's your web page addy again?) - otherwise, I'm > > planning on doing some Skyline Drive/Blueridge over these days. > > Sheesh, i paid $20 for a year pass and only used it once! I > guess I > need to fit in a few more times before March... > > > Ride safe, > > Brian > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 09:57:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02573; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22523; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00379; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA24243; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:55:12 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D31E@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Linda Tanner'" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Ride Report 11/29 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:54:59 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I had a great time on the ride Saturday! I want to thank Todd & Linda for their patience with this newbie...and thank you Linda for your helpful tips on RELAXING on the curves...it helped A LOT!! I hope to do it again soon! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 10:17:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03364; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23040; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00831; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA11900; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:16:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199712021516.JAA11900@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Received: from spg-as83s70.erols.com(207.172.98.150) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011888; Tue Dec 2 09:16:12 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: , "mobacc" Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:15:54 +0000 Subject: Re: New MC Thread ... (AMA> on limits) Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199712020528.AAA05511@thehub.knight-hub.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) One group that has made this a cause is NMA: http://www.motorists.com/ > A Monday Night's idle hands -- > > Thought a swing through the AMA site might ignite light and insight on > issue of speed and limits. > > No such luck. Could find no reference to this issue amid helmet laws and > access and more. Hmmm. Wonder about MSF, MIC, MRF, ABATE, etc. with an > official bikeposition (and lots of MC data) lurking someplace out there? > Ready to ride to our side? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 10:24:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03621; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23184; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01027; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA03366; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:20:24 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D326@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rain Riding... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:20:10 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain can you all give me tips as to how to ride differently in the rain? I know a few things, but any tips would help after my two skids Sunday...not fun! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 10:52:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04514; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23890; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01933; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA08687; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:51:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA03831; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971202155116.OUVU32510@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:51:16 -0600 Message-ID: <34842E75.C53A9077@mci.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 10:51:17 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rain Riding... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D326@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette, Were your two skids both rear wheel skids? I've found than anything other than very gentle pressure on the rear brake pedal of my bike caused it to lock up when the roads are wet. I've since adjusted the rear brake pedal so it is not so touchy anymore. Dale (the Horkster) O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > can you all give me tips as to how to ride differently in the rain? I > know a few things, but any tips would help after my two skids > Sunday...not fun! > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 10:55:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04590; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23979; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01993; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA16915; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:53:17 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D32C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rain Riding... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:53:03 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Actually, I stupidly did NOT use the rear brake, I think that's why the back tire skidded the first time. The second time I was just forced to stop too entirely quickly for the wet conditions... I was told later to use both brakes but very gently, is that true? I'm usually pretty light on the rear anyway since the MSF class taught me it locks up so easily...I guess I learned something(?)!! - J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 11:06:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05221; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24414; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02721; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA12382; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA30032; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:04:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971202160421.BHRS455@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:04:21 -0600 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 10:59 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rain Riding... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971202160421.BHRS455@[166.41.242.141]> First off, go a little slower in corners. Avoid wet leaves, obvious oil slicks, white(yellow) lettering and lines, and the snottie stuff. Snotties are the tar that road maintenance spills into cracks in the asphalt. On poorly maintained roads they're like black snakes all over the road. And on hot days, they're just as slick as in rain. Check the tread on the outside edge of your tires. Good? Good. Bad? Not good, replace the tires. The front tire has a lot to do with the traction of your rear tire in the rain. The front tire (with good tread) throws water away from the tracking path of your bike. Check it out. Todd >can you all give me tips as to how to ride differently in the rain? I >know a few things, but any tips would help after my two skids >Sunday...not fun! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 11:12:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05502; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24608; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03060; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA15508; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA23346; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971202161120.MFUV461@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:11:20 -0600 Message-ID: <34843328.F2452D31@mci.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:11:20 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rain Riding... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D32C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's generally always better to use both brakes together. I think the MSF curriculum is a bit paranoid about the rear brake, talking about highsides and all. If you use both brakes, and the rear locks up, just release the rear and reapply, again, quickly but gently. I've got disc brakes all around (2 up front, 1 in the rear) and I've noticed a serious lack of grab initially when I'm in rainy conditions. It evidently takes a little bit of time for the brake pads to skim all the water off the rotors so they can grab metal. This really messes things up in stop and go city traffic, I've got to give myself lots of stopping room in those conditions. I just ride a little slower, trying to avoid any sudden changes (like hard turns, lots of throttle, or hard braking). You have to be REALLY aware of what's happening around you, since you are even less visible in bad conditions than normal. Cages simply don't know you are there. D (the H) O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Actually, I stupidly did NOT use the rear brake, I think that's why the > back tire skidded the first time. The second time I was just forced to > stop too entirely quickly for the wet conditions... I was told later to > use both brakes but very gently, is that true? I'm usually pretty light > on the rear anyway since the MSF class taught me it locks up so > easily...I guess I learned something(?)!! > > - J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 11:28:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06073; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25173; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03964; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA03314 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:28:05 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma003270; Tue, 2 Dec 97 11:28:00 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA19871 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881079754; Tue, 02 Dec 97 11:25:14 -0500 Message-Id: <9712028810.AA881079754@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 97 11:22:17 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re[2]: Rain Riding... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette, Are you down shifting at the same time? I know (same bike) that these have a lot of reverse torque (when you down shift, if you don't keep on the gas it will lock the tire). I can do this on hot roads in the middle of the summer, so it would be an issue when wet or cold. I used to get a kick out of sliding the rear through a corner when doing it too... until an almost high-side. When riding in the rain, I personally tend towards no rear brake unless in a panic situation (this is ALWAYS true). When in a hard stop, it's full front, engine brake and then maybe a little rear. I don't slide that much with this style - but as always YMMV.. Ride safe, Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Rain Riding... Author: "O'Brien Jeannette" at smtplink-micros Date: 12/2/97 10:53 AM Actually, I stupidly did NOT use the rear brake, I think that's why the back tire skidded the first time. The second time I was just forced to stop too entirely quickly for the wet conditions... I was told later to use both brakes but very gently, is that true? I'm usually pretty light on the rear anyway since the MSF class taught me it locks up so easily...I guess I learned something(?)!! - J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 11:36:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06690; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25714; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04865; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA26621 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA26482; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:35:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971202163505.BNVM455@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:35:05 -0600 Message-ID: <348438B4.9A70BD73@mci.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:35:01 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rain Riding... References: <19971202160421.BHRS455@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Snotties? I've always called them Tar Snakes...;-) Either way, they are slicker'n snot on a doornob. (Sorry, I'm slipping into my Western PA dialect again.) Horkster Todd Peer wrote: > First off, go a little slower in corners. Avoid wet leaves, obvious > oil slicks, white(yellow) lettering and lines, and the snottie stuff. > Snotties are the tar that road maintenance spills into cracks in the > asphalt. On poorly maintained roads they're like black snakes all > over the road. And on hot days, they're just as slick as in rain. > > Check the tread on the outside edge of your tires. Good? Good. Bad? > Not good, replace the tires. The front tire has a lot to do with the > traction of your rear tire in the rain. The front tire (with good > tread) throws water away from the tracking path of your bike. Check > it out. > > Todd > > >can you all give me tips as to how to ride differently in the rain? I > >know a few things, but any tips would help after my two skids > >Sunday...not fun! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 11:36:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06691; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25715; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04854; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA05135; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:34:14 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D332@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rain Riding... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:34:01 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I thought (I could be wrong) that MSF taught specifically NOT to let up on the rear brake when it locks up 'cause the bike will go down...is this not true? I thought they said just stay on the brake & get the bike under control & stop, but never let off the rear brake in a skid. (?) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 11:11 AM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Rain Riding... > > It's generally always better to use both brakes together. I think the > MSF curriculum is a bit paranoid about the rear brake, talking about > highsides and all. If you use both brakes, and the rear locks up, > just > release the rear and reapply, again, quickly but gently. > > > D (the H) > > > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > Actually, I stupidly did NOT use the rear brake, I think that's why > the > > back tire skidded the first time. The second time I was just forced > to > > stop too entirely quickly for the wet conditions... I was told > later to > > use both brakes but very gently, is that true? I'm usually pretty > light > > on the rear anyway since the MSF class taught me it locks up so > > easily...I guess I learned something(?)!! > > > > - J > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 11:39:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06984; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25873; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05303; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id ADA71DA00A4; Tue Dec 02 10:47:51 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:37:45 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCFF16.B50CA740.jywon@imisys.com> From: Justin Won Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Rain Riding... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:37:43 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd makes some good points. The basic rule of thumb in the wet is to do everything a little slower and gentler than under normal conditions. Don't make any sudden maneuvers, i.e. speed or directional changes, and always apply your brakes evenly. You can actually get quite a bit of traction on wet roads, as long as your rubber is in good condition and your not going over any surface anomolies. Steel plates, RR tracks, lane markers, crosswalk paint and the dreaded "snottie stuff" should all be avoided or negotiated with extreme care. I wouldn't worry too much about rear wheel lockup, as long as you can keep the bike fairly straight. In fact, in the MSF class they cover that exercise to familiarize you with the feeling. Sliding out the rear is much more controllable than doing the same with the front. Now THAT will make you pucker up if you're not expecting it. Justin On Tuesday, December 02, 1997 10:59 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > > First off, go a little slower in corners. Avoid wet leaves, obvious > oil slicks, white(yellow) lettering and lines, and the snottie stuff. > Snotties are the tar that road maintenance spills into cracks in the > asphalt. On poorly maintained roads they're like black snakes all > over the road. And on hot days, they're just as slick as in rain. > > Check the tread on the outside edge of your tires. Good? Good. Bad? > Not good, replace the tires. The front tire has a lot to do with the > traction of your rear tire in the rain. The front tire (with good > tread) throws water away from the tracking path of your bike. Check > it out. > > Todd > > >can you all give me tips as to how to ride differently in the rain? I > >know a few things, but any tips would help after my two skids > >Sunday...not fun! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 11:47:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07202; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26087; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05617; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA12382 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:47:45 -0500 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCFF18.53AD5E20@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:49:20 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCFF18.53AD5E20@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Use of Rear Brake was RE: Rain Riding... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:49:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I seldom use my rear brake, typically only when I am traveling approx. 15mph or less, and relay almost entirely on the front brake. -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 10:53 AM To: 'Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX' Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rain Riding... Actually, I stupidly did NOT use the rear brake, I think that's why the back tire skidded the first time. The second time I was just forced to stop too entirely quickly for the wet conditions... I was told later to use both brakes but very gently, is that true? I'm usually pretty light on the rear anyway since the MSF class taught me it locks up so easily...I guess I learned something(?)!! - J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 11:49:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07290; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26167; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05652; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA11211; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:47:46 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D333@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re[2]: Rain Riding... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:47:32 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yep, I haven't been gassing when shifting down. Actually, the first skid happened when I thought I was in 3rd (but was really in 2nd) & shifted down (OOPS) to 1st...the bike did NOT like that. My engine was going a bit too fast for first & that's when I skidded...around a slow curve merging into traffic - YIKES. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 11:22 AM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re[2]: Rain Riding... > > > Jeannette, > > Are you down shifting at the same time? I know (same bike) > that > these have a lot of reverse torque (when you down shift, if you > don't > keep on the gas it will lock the tire). I can do this on hot > roads in > the middle of the summer, so it would be an issue when wet or > cold. I > used to get a kick out of sliding the rear through a corner when > doing > it too... until an almost high-side. > > When riding in the rain, I personally tend towards no rear > brake > unless in a panic situation (this is ALWAYS true). When in a > hard > stop, it's full front, engine brake and then maybe a little rear. > I > don't slide that much with this style - but as always YMMV.. > > Ride safe, > > Brian > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > Subject: RE: Rain Riding... > Author: "O'Brien Jeannette" at > smtplink-micros > Date: 12/2/97 10:53 AM > > > Actually, I stupidly did NOT use the rear brake, I think that's why > the > back tire skidded the first time. The second time I was just forced > to > stop too entirely quickly for the wet conditions... I was told later > to > use both brakes but very gently, is that true? I'm usually pretty > light > on the rear anyway since the MSF class taught me it locks up so > easily...I guess I learned something(?)!! > > - J > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 11:57:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07538; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26318; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:57:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05898; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA05283; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA00668; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971202165455.BSJZ455@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:54:55 -0600 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:44 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Dale Horstman CC: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rain Riding... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971202165455.BSJZ455@[166.41.242.141]> Dale wrote: >It's generally always better to use both brakes together. I think the >MSF curriculum is a bit paranoid about the rear brake, talking about >highsides and all. If you use both brakes, and the rear locks up, just >release the rear and reapply, again, quickly but gently. If you brake (rear) and skid in a corner, your chances for a high side incident are huge, especially if you release the brake. >I've got disc brakes all around (2 up front, 1 in the rear) and I've >noticed a serious lack of grab initially when I'm in rainy conditions. >It evidently takes a little bit of time for the brake pads to skim all the >water >off the rotors so they can grab metal. This really messes things up in >stop and go city traffic, I've got to give myself lots of stopping room >in those conditions. I just ride a little slower, trying to avoid any >sudden changes (like hard turns, lots of throttle, or hard braking). >You have to be REALLY aware of what's happening around you, >since you are even less visible in bad conditions than normal. Cages >simply don't know you are there. Yup! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 12:01:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07695; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26489; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06153; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA06140 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:01:30 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:01:30 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rain Riding... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:01:48 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 24 TEXT >I thought (I could be wrong) that MSF taught specifically NOT to let up >on the rear brake when it locks up 'cause the bike will go down...is >this not true? I thought they said just stay on the brake & get the >bike under control & stop, but never let off the rear brake in a skid. If you wait until you're completely (or almost completely) sideways before you let up on the rear brake, it can get quite interesting (can you say "High Side"?) Backing off on the rear brake as soon as you feel the rear end start to slide will usually get you back on track with just a hint of rear end wiggle (we're talking about the bike here...) The further sideways you get, the bigger the hint The basics are to slow down (LOTS less traction available) and be as smooth as possible - no sudden moves. Michael (I'm so good, I don't even have to be moving to fall down) Jordan '93 GSX 1100GP '86 SRX-6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 12:02:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07712; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26501; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06165; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A301FE0128; Tue Dec 02 11:10:41 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:00:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCFF19.E5E6BA60.jywon@imisys.com> From: Justin Won Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Rain Riding... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:00:34 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You definitely should NOT release the rear brake if your rear slides out to the side. Releasing the brake will allow the rear tire to regain traction causing a sudden directional and attitude change of the bike, and most likely resulting in a high side get off. Not recommended. However, if the rear locks and the bike stays straight, you can let up on the brake without too much concern. Justin On Tuesday, December 02, 1997 11:34 AM, O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] wrote: > I thought (I could be wrong) that MSF taught specifically NOT to let up > on the rear brake when it locks up 'cause the bike will go down...is > this not true? I thought they said just stay on the brake & get the > bike under control & stop, but never let off the rear brake in a skid. > (?) > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 11:11 AM > > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Rain Riding... > > > > It's generally always better to use both brakes together. I think the > > MSF curriculum is a bit paranoid about the rear brake, talking about > > highsides and all. If you use both brakes, and the rear locks up, > > just > > release the rear and reapply, again, quickly but gently. > > > > > > D (the H) > > > > > > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > > > Actually, I stupidly did NOT use the rear brake, I think that's why > > the > > > back tire skidded the first time. The second time I was just forced > > to > > > stop too entirely quickly for the wet conditions... I was told > > later to > > > use both brakes but very gently, is that true? I'm usually pretty > > light > > > on the rear anyway since the MSF class taught me it locks up so > > > easily...I guess I learned something(?)!! > > > > > > - J > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 12:13:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08081; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26819; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin79.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06554; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:13:47 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin79.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA08936 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:13:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:13:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971202121316_1283112282@mrin79> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of Collin Leading...(meant to be humorous) My bike is fine. Got it all fixed up after 2 months!! Backordered fairing. Now to get the new ECU. But yeah, Ive been riding that sucker non-stop since I got it back. About 1000 miles in 1 week. But I am building the confidence in it to be able to keep within...say....10 miles of Collin now (j/k Mr Fagan). Cant wait to get into some more rides.... Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 12:31:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08616; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27351; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07074; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.175]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA4714; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:30:37 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX'" Cc: Subject: Re: Rain Riding... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:27:51 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971202173036.AAA4714@default> Jeannette-- You're right. MSF did say to keep it locked if it locks. I say YMMV. I sometimes leave it locked, sometimes don't. I think it depends on how sideways you've gotten. There is certainly a point of no return where you are so sideways you will get flung off if it grabs. At that point, absolutely leave it locked. On a sportbike, the rear brake doesn't do a lot, because of weight transfer. One of the magazines just had a discussion of this Cruiser rear brakes are much more effective. On my VFR, I really have to stomp it to lock the rear in the dry. It will lock if I want, but the way it is allows me to make very small adjustments to speed and attitude without worrying about oversensitivity. That's nice in the rain, too I don't know why your rear slid if you didn't use the rear brake. I slide the rear under accelleration in the rain a lot, but from what Brian has said about your bikes, I think it's less prone to do that. When I'm in the rain, I get nervous, but combat it by reminding myself that if racers can go 100mph in the rain, certainly I can go around this on-ramp at 35. Have you gotten new tires since the party? You needed at least a rear. Brian likes his Avons. Our email-deprived friend Thane likes Michelin Macadam 50s, and so does my ex. I have Metzelers and I don't like them. Remember that the first few minutes of rain are the slipperiest, when the oil starts to float but hasn't been washed away yet. And some on-ramps seem to have been polished by traffic and are the slipperiest thing around. Others have good traction, 'cause concrete, as a rule, is better than asphalt. Use both brakes, ride gently, leave extra fol;lowing distance, watch your mirrors, keep a relaxed grip, stay mentally relaxed. Being tight, mentally or physically, is a good way to make a mistake. It sounds like Linda already told you that. She's 100% right. BTW, tightening up in heavy wind is bad too. When the wind hits your body, a tight grip sends the wind force straight into the bike. A relaxed grip lets the wind blow you without bothering the bike. I still have to remind myself of this all the time. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 14:03:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11811; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29698; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin38.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09860; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:03:11 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin38.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA18218; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971202140230_1644433612@mrin38> To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, bmccoy@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Re[2]: Rain Riding... yikes! be careful girl! you're too cool to be scraped off the pavement! :D Marcy ps...besides we need your presence Friday night... ;D In a message dated 12/2/97 1:02:15 PM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 15:18:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14733; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01605; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12473; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:17:18 -0500 (EST) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: by cagw2.att.com; Tue Dec 2 14:56 EST 1997 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id MAA26758 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com) by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA29443 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:58:28 -0500 Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCFF21.946E9510@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:55:34 -0500 Message-Id: To: , , Subject: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:56:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Based on someone's experience out there, can you tell me which is the smoothest MC? I am curious because my current Bandit 600 is buzzy on loooong highway cruising and I wanted to know if the 1200 is better or would a 4 cylinder arrangement found in the VFR be better? --John '96 Bandit 600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 15:54:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16186; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03222; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13804; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.100]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA14266; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:53:40 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , , , Subject: Re: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:50:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971202205338.AAA14266@default> John-- They say the 600 is buzzy. I think the 1200 is less so. At least I don't recall any real complaints. The US version has a few detail differences from the Canadian and euro versions, including that one engine mount is left off of the US one to cut vibration. However, inlines do vibrate more (or should I say differently) than v4s. I love my VFR, and my previous VFR. The first few times I rode one, I wasn't impressed. Then my girlfriend (now ex) bought one in January. Since she wasn't riding it in the winter, I did, and decided I loved it. I've never ridden any bandits, oh except the 400, which my ex bought when I bought her VFR from her. I love the 400. later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 15:56:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16216; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03498; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13882; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A9FA3DB014E; Tue Dec 02 15:05:14 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:55:08 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCFF3A.AA00DAA0.jywon@imisys.com> From: Justin Won Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'jcarver@XXXXXX'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:55:06 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, Most 600cc in-line 4's will tend to be a bit buzzy for long highway jaunts. The 1200 will definitely be more comfortable, but the VFR is a much sportier ride. It's 750cc V4 180 degree crank engine produces some of the sweetest exhaust notes I've ever heard. And it's about as comfortable as you can get in a sport bike package. The week after I got my '94, I rode it up to Nova Scotia and back. Almost 4000 miles in 9 days, and I never got tired or numb, though my squidly travelling companions couldn't say the same. I haven't met a single VFR owner who hasn't absolutely loved his/her bike. It's a real gem. I'm patiently awaiting the arrival of the '98 VFR800 next spring. Justin On Tuesday, December 02, 1997 12:56 PM, jcarver@XXXXXX [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] wrote: > Based on someone's experience out there, can you tell me which is the > smoothest MC? I am curious because my current Bandit 600 is buzzy on > loooong highway cruising and I wanted to know if the 1200 is better or > would a 4 cylinder arrangement found in the VFR be better? > > --John > '96 Bandit 600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 16:18:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17157; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04550; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin46.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14915; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:18:06 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA16261 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:17:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:17:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971202161733_45349831@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lets ride this weekend..... I know that some people were talking about getting a ride going this weekend. So far the forecast looks alright for Saturday. A tad windy but dry. Highs in the mid to upper 40s. Sounds like it will be a nice day to stay in the low ground. If anybody has any suggestions as to where to ride or wants to organize it lets get it in gear. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 20:02:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25085; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:02:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11644; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23369; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA04428 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:02:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3484D9FF.3A5A@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 20:03:11 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Rain Riding... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey y'all, Kevin wrote earlier that: --> snip <-- > On a sportbike, the rear brake doesn't do a lot, because of weight > transfer. One of the magazines just had a discussion of this --> more snip <-- You can find a cool article (perhaps this was the one Kevin was referring to) at the new MCN web site, which Todd Peer turned us on to : My rear brake locks up so easily, it's not even funny. BTW, should the rear brake make a (structural) "noise" every time it locks up? WTF is it? Or is this just the force from braking transferring to (whatever that part's called). Still doesn't sound normal... > When I'm in the > rain, I get nervous, but combat it by reminding myself that if racers can > go 100mph in the rain, certainly I can go around this on-ramp at 35. I tell myself this too, but it still scares me a bit. I am _paranoid_ in wet weather. Seriously, my riding style changes dramatically ! BTW, had a bit of fun this morning leaving the crib. Took off up the roadway accelerating in first a few RPM faster than usual and I (finally) realized when I would break traction with cold tires. Happily it's a bit higher than I had feared :) I too said WOOHOOO! - or, how do you spell adrenalin rush? The front wheel was basically straight, so just a quick 1-2-3 fishtail. Moral: temperatures do affect traction ! JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 2 22:08:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28647; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13630; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25579; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.125] (unverified [205.177.250.125]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 02 Dec 1997 22:12:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dec 5-7 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 97 22:08:03 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Brian McCoy" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Alright... seeing as we have such positive turnouts for our group > rides, I'll just ask now if anyone is free and willing to go any of > these 3 days. That way we can muck about and not rush it at the last > minute. As always, the ride will cater towards the slower people > unless there's a huge turnout - then we have 2 groups. I'll find a > route (Collin, what's your web page addy again?) - otherwise, I'm > planning on doing some Skyline Drive/Blueridge over these days. If I can get somewhere to get my girlfriend an electric vest (for her birthday;) I'll be able to go. Pillion even:) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 01:28:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04031; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17733; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29188; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.37.3.127] (1Cust127.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.127]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA16610 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:28:26 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCFF3A.AA00DAA0.jywon@imisys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:28:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: RE: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR It's 750cc V4 180 degree crank engine produces some of the >sweetest exhaust notes I've ever heard. Several of the VFR owners I know run straight exhausts on them for just this reason! I had a nice reverse cone megaphone on mine for a while, but it was a bit too loud. The SuperTrapp was just right! And it's about as comfortable as >you can get in a sport bike package. Except for how the seat slopes forward: I was constantly sliding into the tank. Ooof. The week after I got my '94, I rode >it up to Nova Scotia and back. Pretty up there, isn't it? I hope you took the Bar Harbor to Yarmouth ferry! The land bridge sucks. I twisted the crank on my old '80 GS1000S passing f#*king motor homes. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 10:13:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15524; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28290; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin54.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06195; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:12:31 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin54.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA11751 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:12:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:12:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971203101159_-1774592626@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rain Riding... In a message dated 97-12-03 05:13:50 EST, you write: << My rear brake locks up so easily, it's not even funny. BTW, should the rear brake make a (structural) "noise" every time it locks up? WTF is it? Or is this just the force from braking transferring to (whatever that part's called). Still doesn't sound normal... >> Actually my TL does the same thing. Its kinda like a light yet very noticable "Ka-Chink" and you actually feel it. Probably pistons locking or something. Dont know what it is but I noticed it too. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 10:18:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15724; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28457; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06383; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA19546; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA07684; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971203151651.ROKX461@XXXXXX>; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:16:51 -0600 Message-ID: <348577DF.D09558DC@mci.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 10:16:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KZ LTD List , DC Cycles List Subject: Gasket install tips, anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The time has come to replace the valve cover gasket and the cam end gaskets on my 78 KZ 1000 LTD. I'm kind of getting tired of the oil that dribbles onto my right pantleg after the 25 mile ride to work each day. Last time I checked the old Clymer's manual, I didn't find anything specific on installing gaskets. Is there a trick to getting them to seal well? Coat both sides with oil first? Do gaskets normally have a top and bottom? My old one could go on either way, I didn't notice a difference. Also, I had no luck with the hi-temp gasket sealer stuff I tried to smear on it first. Oh, just for the curious, the valve cover gasket runs about $45, the four half-moon shaped cam end gaskets ran me about $7 each. Oh, and they are all hard rubber gaskets. Regards, Dale (the Horkster) `The Horkster’, aka Dale Horstman dale.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1987 Suzuki Savage 650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 11:03:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17314; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29582; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07827; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA21489 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:03:11 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:03:11 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: RE: Gasket install tips, anyone? Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:03:28 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT >Oh, just for the curious, the valve cover gasket runs about $45, the >four half-moon shaped cam end gaskets ran me about $7 each. Oh, >and they are all hard rubber gaskets. My GSX 1100 has the same type of gaskets - shop manual said to use a Suzuki gasket sealer ($23 a tube). I sprung the $$$ and it hasn't leaked, so I guess that it's good stuff. Michael Jordan '93 GSX 1100GP '86 SRX-6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 11:06:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17442; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29651; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07939; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA14623 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:05:49 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma014589; Wed, 3 Dec 97 11:05:32 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA14479 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881164311; Wed, 03 Dec 97 11:02:41 -0500 Message-Id: <9712038811.AA881164311@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 97 10:51:33 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Gasket install tips, anyone? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I pulled my valve covers off for valve adjustment (never happened, broken rocker arm) - I pulled all the goo off the valve cover and the gasket - cleaned it with some WD40 and reinstalled - no goop, no oil (they were dry of WD40) - and torqued the bolts to spec. Then again, I have a leak I can't locate (NOT from my valve covers, they're clean) - and others might say this isn't the best thing to do... but I didn't want to clean goop off later when I replace the rocker arm... YMMV and Ride safe... Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 11:29:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18116; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00530; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08670; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA13392 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:29:13 -0500 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCFFDE.EBB10200@XXXXXX>; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:30:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCFFDE.EBB10200@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Gasket install tips, anyone? Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:30:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I haven't purchased a rubber/cork gasket in years.... Go to your local auto parts store, there is a material that is sold in = a roll for about $5.00 which is made from a finer reinforced soft = rubber. While you're there get some aviation gasket cement. The = aviation gasket cement is an adhesive/sealer which will dissolve when in = direct contact with gasoline (not oil). Carefully remove the old = gasket, and paint it with a small amount of the cement, let the cement = get tacky and press it on the new gasket material. Cut on the dotted = line. Test fit the gasket. Ensure that the rocker covers a clean, and = put a lit coating of the cement on the places where the rocker cover = touches the gasket and press the new gasket to the cover. Wait a few = seconds and then replace the cover and torque to spec. I've replaced most of the gasket on my '76 Bonniville (a Meridan Triumph = for you youngsters) and haven't had an oil leak or seep in the last 5k = miles. FYI rwj -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 10:17 AM To: KZ LTD List; DC Cycles List Subject: Gasket install tips, anyone? The time has come to replace the valve cover gasket and the cam end gaskets on my 78 KZ 1000 LTD. I'm kind of getting tired of the oil that dribbles onto my right pantleg after the 25 mile ride to work each day. Last time I checked the old Clymer's manual, I didn't find anything specific on installing gaskets. Is there a trick to getting them to seal well? Coat both sides with oil first? Do gaskets normally have a top and bottom? My old one could go on either way, I didn't notice a difference. Also, I had no luck with the hi-temp gasket sealer stuff I tried to smear on it first. Oh, just for the curious, the valve cover gasket runs about $45, the four half-moon shaped cam end gaskets ran me about $7 each. Oh, and they are all hard rubber gaskets. Regards, Dale (the Horkster) `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1987 Suzuki Savage 650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 11:57:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19058; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01511; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09645; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <2D80853401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <2B80853401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:54:31 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles List) Subject: A Bonny that doesn't leak? wow. Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Actually the gasket cement referred to won't dissolve in gasoline either, but in denatured alcohol. Whatever you do DON'T use RTV sealant unless you are a hundred miles out in the boonies. This is a plague sent by Beelzabub himself to destroy legions of do-it-yourselfer's vehicles. Unfailingly, the unsuspecting shadetree mechanic globs on way too much of this stuff which after some time comes loose inside the engine. Oil passages and water pumps get clogged, much swearing ensues and the initial repair becomes a total teardown. Some of these preformed valve cover gaskets require the use of something akin to contact cement on one side (usually the valve cover) to keep them stuck whilst you fiddle the thing into place. YMMV. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 11:58:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19088; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01614; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09668; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA05934; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:57:49 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D364@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I Got My Electrics!! Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:56:33 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain ...from Gerbing today. The jacket liner feels like a regular jacket to me!! The gloves are nice & thick but still feel flexible enough...I'm psyched. They promised them to me by Thursday and they came today - one day early. I like them already. I'm going to try them out tomorrow, I think, on the ride to work. I'll let you all know how they work...On second thought, isn't tomorrow supposed to be in the mid-50's? Maybe this weekend, then... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 12:01:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19159; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01848; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09771; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA21699 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:01:41 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma021648; Wed, 3 Dec 97 12:01:24 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA16193 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:01:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881167861; Wed, 03 Dec 97 11:58:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9712038811.AA881167861@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 97 11:43:13 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Good roads.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Help me...... please. Someone care to spit out some good roads in western VA/WVa kinda southern areas.. I'm not to worried about distance - I'm thinking about taking off Friday morning and putting a 1,000 miles on, returning Sat sometime (kinda like an Ironbutt of sorts - more time, not so strict on the miles). Kirk recommended US250w, WV28n and US33e - anything else west and south of us? Thanks.. oh, anyone have a tape player (walkman type) they care to loan me for the weekend? Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 12:52:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21013; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04614; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11599; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02305; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:52:27 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21807; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:52:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:52:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712031752.MAA21807@clark.net> To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NJ Tpk was: Homemade Electric Vest Cc: hacker@XXXXXX From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:14:11 -0500 Subject: Re: NJ Tpk was: Homemade Electric Vest Leon (and all), No, bikes don't get a toll break on the NJ Turnpike, at least thats what I've encountered riding between NYC and DC...its always been the same cost for me to ride the bike or drive the car. Bikers get a toll break on all the NYC bridges and tunnels, though...$3 instead of $4. There may be a Turpike Hey, this means that your bike can pay for itself after only 6,000 rides over a NYC bridge! Unless you're Leon in which case your bike pays for itself after a couple weekends :-) - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 13:03:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21402; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05300; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11899; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02) id AEC319B00EC; Wed, 03 Dec 1997 13:02:43 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971203125848.009c3310@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 12:58:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I Got My Electrics!! In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D364@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:56 AM 12/3/97 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >...from Gerbing today. The jacket liner feels like a regular jacket to >me!! Did you get the jacket with or without insulation? My electric vest is great, but I'd like to warm up my arms and have been thinking about switching to a Gerbing. Can't decide if I want the insulated or uninsulated jacket (I'd like a really thin one, with something like thinsulate in it). Also, is the collar heated? thx, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 13:04:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21429; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05369; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11974; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07407; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:04:20 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01896; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:04:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:04:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712031804.NAA01896@clark.net> To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rain Riding... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dale Horstman To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Subject: Re: Rain Riding... It's generally always better to use both brakes together. I think the MSF curriculum is a bit paranoid about the rear brake, talking about highsides and all. If you use both brakes, and the rear locks up, just release the rear and reapply, again, quickly but gently. Paranoia for good reason. If you lock the rear brake and then ease up on the brake, you'll "chirp" the tire which can bounce the bike and high side you. Rear tire slipage and bounce are not comforting. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 14:01:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23206; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07296; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:00:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13549; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA17346; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:07:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:07:06 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Adams, Bill" cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: A Bonny that doesn't leak? wow. In-Reply-To: <2D80853401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Adams, Bill wrote: > Actually the gasket cement referred to won't dissolve in gasoline either, > but in denatured alcohol. Whatever you do DON'T use RTV sealant unless > you are a hundred miles out in the boonies. This is a plague sent by > Beelzabub himself to destroy legions of do-it-yourselfer's vehicles. > Unfailingly, the unsuspecting shadetree mechanic globs on way too much of > this stuff Good point. However, a SMALL amount (just enough to fill gasket imperfections) of RTV on a CLEAN surface works very well, indeed. > which after some time comes loose inside the engine. Oil > passages and water pumps get clogged, much swearing ensues and the > initial repair becomes a total teardown. > Some of these preformed valve cover gaskets require the use of something > akin to contact cement on one side (usually the valve cover) to keep them > stuck whilst you fiddle the thing into place. YMMV. > > Bill Adams > 3D Artist/Animator > '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, > '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: > "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 14:23:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23938; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07764; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14209; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:23:35 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256562.006A5D18 ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:21:46 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256562.0069EE12.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:21:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Gasket install tips, anyone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=lKKqCsSJrQjE7grdlk50Ac0pVZzgQYN0VQvWx4Z5iv3R8UghXwui6M2y" --0__=lKKqCsSJrQjE7grdlk50Ac0pVZzgQYN0VQvWx4Z5iv3R8UghXwui6M2y Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't have much experience working on bike engines, but when working on car engines I usually use grease to help gaskets seal, as opposed to a light fingering (hmmm) of oil. Something like lubriplate...it just seems to prevent leaks more. BTW, I'm wondering something...my '81 Suzuki GS 750L has a leak around the base of the leftmost (when I'm on the bike) cylinder...I assume that I need a new gasket, or at least to retorque the head, but I'm wondering if I have to have the engine out of the bike to do it...there's certainly not much room to work when the tank is installed...any ideas anyone?? -Doug '81 GS 750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved Dale.Horstman @ mci.com at ams-internet to file: 12/03/97 11:00 AM PIC05476.PCX) To: kz-ltd-list @ blackops.org at AMS-Internet@ccmail, dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Gasket install tips, anyone? The time has come to replace the valve cover gasket and the cam end gaskets on my 78 KZ 1000 LTD. I'm kind of getting tired of the oil that dribbles onto my right pantleg after the 25 mile ride to work each day. Last time I checked the old Clymer's manual, I didn't find anything specific on installing gaskets. Is there a trick to getting them to seal well? Coat both sides with oil first? Do gaskets normally have a top and bottom? My old one could go on either way, I didn't notice a difference. Also, I had no luck with the hi-temp gasket sealer stuff I tried to smear on it first. Oh, just for the curious, the valve cover gasket runs about $45, the four half-moon shaped cam end gaskets ran me about $7 each. Oh, and they are all hard rubber gaskets. 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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:36:14 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971203193859.AAA5306@default> Dale-- Don't use RTV silicone _in conjunction_ with a gasket, especially a rubber one. The RTV takes up space the gasket was supposed to expand into and can cause it to blow out when tightened. I hate glued gaskets. If absolutely necessary, I'll use the least possible adhesive to hold it in place while I work. I often use wheel bearing grease. Tacky enough to keep the gasket in place, and ensures hassle free removal. Old greased gasket can often be reused in emergencies. A tiny bit of sealant (RTV or whatever) where the corners of the cam plug meets the vc gasket surface is good. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 14:46:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24637; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09047; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15009; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA27990; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:52:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:52:50 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Re[2]: Rain Riding... In-Reply-To: <971202140230_1644433612@mrin38> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I use the rear brake to tell me how good my traction is. I don't know if this was mentioned, but a rear skid on a sharp curve is quite different from a rear skid on a straight: if you're going more-or-less straight, the dreaded high-side slingshot fling (unrelated to the equally-dreaded highland fling) is not an issue. Under that circumstance, a rear skid is MUCH safer than a front skid, because you're a lot less likely to drop the bike (on the other hand, due to weight distribution, a rear skid is also more likely to occur). Nevertheless, if straight-line traction is bad, I'd rather find out at the back end of the bike than the front. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 15:13:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25645; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:13:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10270; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16149; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.37.3.58] (1Cust58.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.58]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26886 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:12:06 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCFFDE.EBB10200@johnston.citi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:12:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: RE: Gasket install tips, anyone? >I haven't purchased a rubber/cork gasket in years.... > >Go to your local auto parts store, there is a material that is sold in a >roll for about $5.00 which is made from a finer reinforced soft rubber. >While you're there get some aviation gasket cement. The aviation gasket >cement is an adhesive/sealer which will dissolve when in direct contact >with gasoline (not oil). Carefully remove the old gasket, and paint it >with a small amount of the cement, let the cement get tacky and press it >on the new gasket material. Cut on the dotted line. Actually, there is a slightly easier way to do this. Use the above mentioned adhesive to glue a full sheet to the rocker cover. With a jewelers ball peen hammer (very small and light - don't use anything heavier or you will damage the cover) tap lightly around the inner and outer edges of the cover, and dont' forget the holes. The hammer will shear the gasket material neatly against the sharp edge of the cover. It's surprisingly quick and effective. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 15:14:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25721; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10397; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16223; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA24085; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA27797; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:13:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971203201350.VUWA32510@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:13:50 -0600 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 14:58 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Brian McCoy" CC: Subject: Re: Good roads.. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="GRDK3E_MailRoom_aAa0zzyzx" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message-Id: <19971203201350.VUWA32510@[166.41.242.141]> --GRDK3E_MailRoom_aAa0zzyzx Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Brian McCoy pleaded: Help me...... please. Someone care to spit out some good roads in western VA/WVa kinda southern areas.. I'm not to worried about distance - I'm thinking about taking off Friday morning and putting a 1,000 miles on, returning Sat sometime (kinda like an Ironbutt of sorts - more time, not so strict on the miles). Kirk recommended US250w, WV28n and US33e - anything else west and south of us? Thanks.. oh, anyone have a tape player (walkman type) they care to loan me for the weekend? Brian Brian, This route is close to a 600 - 650 mile day. After plotting it out, I think I might like to join you. But, I can't afford the time off Otherwise, have fun. This looks fun! Routing Directions attached..... 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To: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME ...that's exactly the way I used to apply cork gaskets (rubber is harder but can be accomplished with a utility knife) when I was working on cage engines...*much* easier to apply than buying the more expensive precuts..you can buy the cork sheets in any auto supply store for a fraction of the cost that precuts cost. And the added benefit is that the gasket is a *perfect* fit to *your* engine. cheers, -aki > >I haven't purchased a rubber/cork gasket in years.... > > > >Go to your local auto parts store, there is a material that is sold in a > >roll for about $5.00 which is made from a finer reinforced soft rubber. > >While you're there get some aviation gasket cement. The aviation gasket > >cement is an adhesive/sealer which will dissolve when in direct contact > >with gasoline (not oil). Carefully remove the old gasket, and paint it > >with a small amount of the cement, let the cement get tacky and press it > >on the new gasket material. Cut on the dotted line. > > Actually, there is a slightly easier way to do this. Use the above > mentioned adhesive to glue a full sheet to the rocker cover. With a > jewelers ball peen hammer (very small and light - don't use anything > heavier or you will damage the cover) tap lightly around the inner and > outer edges of the cover, and dont' forget the holes. > > The hammer will shear the gasket material neatly against the sharp edge of > the cover. It's surprisingly quick and effective. > > Al > level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > > > > X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 16:06:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27719; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12167; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18211; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA19727 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:05:52 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma019702; Wed, 3 Dec 97 16:05:27 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id QAA23190 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881182956; Wed, 03 Dec 97 16:02:39 -0500 Message-Id: <9712038811.AA881182956@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 97 16:00:58 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: wiring electrics to your bike.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda - and all others who have ventured into this realm.. What manor of tools, objects are needed to wire, oh - say a CD or tape player into a bikes electrical system. Mind you, they run on 3.5 volts (or whatever it is) - I'm sure there are regulators out there in automotive shadetree fix-it land, where to buy, what to buy, and how to solder.... if you branch one lead off the battery, (parallel connection) - it has the same as a straight connection, right? ohh, do cd players and radar detectors use the same juice? I'll splice those together if they do... Brian (who hates buying batteries) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 16:27:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28530; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12574; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18741; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA06147 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:27:21 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:27:21 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: wiring electrics to your bike.. Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:27:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 22 TEXT Brian - as far as tools go, basic hand tools (basic as defined by an electronics weenie, that is) are all you should need. As far as multiple devices sharing a tap, they would need to have the same voltage requirements. Your local Radio Shack will have all of the bits that you need to drop your bike's 12 volts down to 6, 7.5, 9 or whatever. These bits will be designed for a car (and probably will be looking for a cigarette lighter) but can be easily adapted. Specific answers to specific questions are easy - specific answers to general questions are somewhat harder. One of the easier routes is to attach an additional wire (with a fuse holder) to your battery's positive (red) terminal. The purpose of the fuse is to keep the wire from smoking, so the size of the wire you use will determine the maximum fuse size (15 amp for 16ga wire or 10 amp for 18ga, for example). Michael Jordan '93 GSX 1100GP '86 SRX-6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 17:14:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00315; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13611; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20589; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:14:19 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256562.007A12B6 ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:13:21 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256562.0079AF71.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:12:38 -0500 Subject: Re: wiring electrics to your bike.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=r0THqY5MHE6ElvwwAWhPCs1o6ok0fF8ocLKwPrzi38pXVvVjvJrmIyST" --0__=r0THqY5MHE6ElvwwAWhPCs1o6ok0fF8ocLKwPrzi38pXVvVjvJrmIyST Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian, You could always just wire a cigarette lighter socket into your bike's electrics, and then use car adaptors for the CD player, radar detector, etc. that come with the product. You can pick up one of these sockets at any Trak, but you'd definitely be able to find nicer kits (maybe even weatherproof) in a JC Whitney or similar catalog. Your bike is almost definitely 12V, which is what the car adaptors for the CD player/radar detector are designed to handle. Just an idea... -Doug '81 GS 750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved "Brian McCoy" at AMS-Internet to file: 12/03/97 04:00 PM PIC24448.PCX) To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: Douglas Brashear Subject: wiring electrics to your bike.. Linda - and all others who have ventured into this realm.. What manor of tools, objects are needed to wire, oh - say a CD or tape player into a bikes electrical system. Mind you, they run on 3.5 volts (or whatever it is) - I'm sure there are regulators out there in automotive shadetree fix-it land, where to buy, what to buy, and how to solder.... if you branch one lead off the battery, (parallel connection) - it has the same as a straight connection, right? ohh, do cd players and radar detectors use the same juice? I'll splice those together if they do... 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References: <9712038811.AA881182956@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One answer is to go to Radio Shack and buy a universal converter. If you buy the heavy duty one, it will power most things that use converters. Of course you'll also need a cigarette lighter outlet unless your bike already has one. The little transformer that came with your CD will have it's output printed on it. Set the Converter to that voltage (within 50% or so) Most of the time, AC or DC on the transformer won't matter, since the device will usually want DC and will ignore the current that flows the wrong way. I guess it's possible to get it wrong and destroy a CD player or tape deck. But that hasn't happened to me yet. I usually destroy them with rainwater or ground impact. :-) Brian McCoy wrote: > Linda - and all others who have ventured into this realm.. > > What manor of tools, objects are needed to wire, oh - say a CD or > tape player into a bikes electrical system. Mind you, they run on 3.5 > volts (or whatever it is) - I'm sure there are regulators out there in > automotive shadetree fix-it land, where to buy, what to buy, and how > to solder.... if you branch one lead off the battery, (parallel > connection) - it has the same as a straight connection, right? > > ohh, do cd players and radar detectors use the same juice? I'll > splice those together if they do... > > Brian (who hates buying batteries) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 21:06:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08617; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18563; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28951; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (spg-as78s43.erols.com [207.172.44.170]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA24522 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:05:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971203211027.00b967e8@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:10:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Rear Slidin (was Rain Ridin) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What's all this weird talk of not wanting the rear tire to slide around :) Every time I go out (any weather) it tends to crawl all over the place.... he he he Oh, maybe that has to do wiht the acceleration and cornering speeds. Wanna go ridin with you guys this weekend, but I probably can't. Not only am I in dire need of a rear sprocket (44 or 45 tooth if anyones got one..I've got a stock 42, but my chain is too long) but the valves are begging for adjustment too....anyone got a 93-95 GSXR shop manual handy? Mine STILL hasn't arrived...gotta call the fella and complain. Take care ya'll Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 3 21:30:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09311; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:30:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19131; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29520; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from earthlink.net ([38.30.111.97]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05417 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:30:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <348615DB.FE062ADB@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:30:52 -0500 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Todd's suggested route decoded Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: Brian McCoy pleaded: Help me...... please. Someone care to spit out some good roads in western VA/WVa kinda southern areas. Brian Brian, This route is close to a 600 - 650 mile day. After plotting it out, I think I might like to join you. Routing Directions attached..... Todd I realize this might be a little late as I get the digest form of DC Cycles, but here are Todd's decoded directions: --------------------------------------------------------- Routing Directions; Long....600-650 miles. L - Left R - Right S - Straight Start - On VA side of Whites Ferry L US 15 Follow Bypass of Leesburg S SR 7 (Leesburg Byp, crosses 15 Bus.) R Rt 9 (ramp at Clarks Gap) L Rt 9 (crosses SR 7 hwy) R SR 7 (thru Hamilton, Pucelvill, Round Hill) L SSR 601 R US 17 L SSR 638 (at Berry) R SR 55 (Linden) L US340 (T- Intersection in Front Royal) R SSr 6?? (Light JUST AFTER the Skyline Drive ent You will cross the N.Fork Shenendoah) L SSR 678 S or L SSR 678 (thru Kings Crossing turns into 675 South) L US 211 (T-intersection) Choose alternative Start.... ----------- Alternative one (best) ---------- L US 340 (at Luray) L SSR 689 (Chapel Road, in Stanly. This shows running up to Skyline; may be gravel, but it looks twisty) R Skyline Drive ----------- Alternative two (boring) --------- Continue on 211 to Thornton Gap then R Skyline Drive Choose alternative End.... R US 33 (Heading West) From here follow US 33 (business and all) up to Elkins, W.VA L US 219 (at Elkins) L US 250 (just past Huttonsville) From here follow US 250 (business and all) just past Waynesboro, VA L Skyline Drive (exit end and beginning of BRP) R Rapidan Road (past Tanners Ridge Ovrlook, at Big Meadows Wayside, turns into SSR 670) L SR 231 (just past Criglersville) L US 522 (into Sperryville) R US 211 (at Sperryville) L SSR 688 R SSR 647 (Jerrys Shop) L US 17 (towards Marshall) R US 17 (towards Marshall) S SR 55 (just past Marshall) S SR 55 (all the way to Gainesville) L US 29 (at Gainesville) R I66 (to Washington DC) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 00:31:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14789; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23078; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03526; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA26337; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:26:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:18:24 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Rain Riding... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19971202173036.AAA4714@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, kevin thomas wrote: > Have you gotten new tires since the party? You needed at least a rear. > Brian likes his Avons. Our email-deprived friend Thane likes Michelin > Macadam 50s, and so does my ex. I have Metzelers and I don't like them. Worn tires are definitely uncool for rain.Does your bike(Jeanette) still have the stockers?The ones I had on my '86 were crap.I later changed to Dunlop K591's on my 500(and then on my 750 too) and liked them much better.I personally wouldn't recommend Avons cause I had a bad experience with them over in England.My Nighthawk S had a Dunlop front and Avon rear and the back end always got squirrely in the rain. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 00:40:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14959; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23276; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03626; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA26368; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:35:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:29:21 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01BCFF3A.AA00DAA0.jywon@imisys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Justin Won wrote: > It's 750cc V4 180 degree crank engine produces some of the > sweetest exhaust notes I've ever heard. Yep.But I like the older models better.My '86 with dual pipes would sound like a small NASCAR V8 when revved.The big Magnas/ Sabres(360 crank) used to sound pretty cool,too. As for vibes,I've heard the newer VFR's have a buzz at certain speeds,but my old one was totally smooth.One of the few good things I can say about the Buell is that it is Goldwing smooth on the highway.'Course,at lights you can watch the front wheel bounce up and down. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 04:05:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA19155; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA26712; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from bas01.csfb.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA06098; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailuser@localhost) by bas01.csfb.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) id EAA28241 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(169.39.5.57) by bas01 via smap (3.2) id xma028212; Thu, 4 Dec 97 04:01:00 -0500 Received: from mailhost.csfp.co.uk ([159.156.54.51]) by csfb1.fir.fbc.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id EAA25556 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from slon13300.csfp.co.uk (exchange [159.156.1.81]) by mailhost.csfp.co.uk (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA11241 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:01:02 GMT Received: by slon13300 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:00:57 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Sparkes, Chris" To: "'jcarver@XXXXXX'" , suzuki-l@XXXXXX, bandit-talk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:00:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain It is my understanding that all in-line 4s tend to be buzzy, so the V4 in the VFR may well be better. You can move the buzziness to a different cruising speed by changing the gearing (front/rear sprockets), but this will also have an impact on performance and top speed. Chris Sparkes GSF600S CREDIT|Financial Products SUISSE| EMAIL :- chris.sparkes@XXXXXX PHONE :- +44 (171) 888 2862 FAX :- +44 (171) 888 2679 > -----Original Message----- > From: jcarver@XXXXXX [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 5:56 PM > To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX; bandit-talk@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR > > Based on someone's experience out there, can you tell me which is the > smoothest MC? I am curious because my current Bandit 600 is buzzy on > loooong highway cruising and I wanted to know if the 1200 is better or > > would a 4 cylinder arrangement found in the VFR be better? > > --John > '96 Bandit 600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 07:16:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22464; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00313; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Dave-World.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA07965; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from FARMBUREAU (unverified [206.26.22.45]) by Mail.Dave-World.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 04 Dec 1997 06:16:23 -0600 Received: by FARMBUREAU with Microsoft Mail id <01BD007B.E6D15DA0@FARMBUREAU>; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 06:14:38 -0600 Message-ID: <01BD007B.E6D15DA0@FARMBUREAU> From: Alan Jarand To: "'jcarver@XXXXXX'" , "suzuki-l@XXXXXX" , "bandit-talk@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "'Sparkes, Chris'" Subject: RE: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 06:14:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Sparkes, Chris Subject: RE: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR It is my understanding that all in-line 4s tend to be buzzy, so the V4 in the VFR may well be better. You can move the buzziness to a different cruising speed by changing the gearing (front/rear sprockets), but this will also have an impact on performance and top speed. Chris Sparkes GSF600S As a general rule, I think inline fours are buzzy.. I did read a recent = write up on the 1200 Bandit, and the Author complained of the Buzz. I = once had a GS550 that would leave my hands numb on the highway at any = speed, but my GS850 has zero buzz at any speed, so it is possible to = have a four without the buzz. Whether it's rubber mounting, bearing, the = shaft drive or whatever...I don't know... but not ALL fours are buzzy. Alan jarand From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 07:39:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22843; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00711; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA08178; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by ENTERPRISE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:38:13 -0500 Message-ID: <61390AC07B6BD111AC6F006008A5911041D3@ENTERPRISE> From: Scooter Kight To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:38:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR

Well I am going to say this.. Bandit 600, Cool bike. =
It works, and it works well.
1200.. Havent ridden it, but I guess it would be = ok.

VFR, GREAT BIKE.. The V really helps, but it is a = bitch to tune up right.  It is very fast, and you can ride it = forever, with no buzz whatsoever.  With a decent exhaust, it = sometimes almost sounds like a ducati ;>

Ducati- Big V-twin.. Try it, you'll like it = more.  My choice between bikes was :VFR or Ducati900ss/cr.
VFR cost more, but didnt have the character or the = look of the ducati.  Though I bet you could probably ride the vfr = longer without problems.

Vibration: The trick is this, twins vibrate with a = lower frequency, so its not as annoying (everything moves a little = more, but its slower, 1000hz compared to the 7000hz or so of an inline = 4)

My friends vfr dosent vibrate at all.  It is = super smoothe due to the v arangement, plus very effective engine = mounting.  Using good engine mounts on a ducati also removes 90% = of the vibration.

It will also do the same thing to a 4. 

Another way to change the vibrate (in the handlebars = at least) is lengthen the bar, it will change the frequency around = which it wants to vibrate.

Oh and a ducati with the airbox top removed, and a = K+N in its place sounds like a gp racer :> REALLY cool.

Scot
Ducati 900ss/cr
On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Justin Won wrote:
> It's 750cc V4 180 degree crank engine produces = some of the
> sweetest exhaust notes I've ever heard.

  Yep.But I like the older models better.My '86 = with dual pipes
would sound like a small NASCAR V8 when revved.The = big Magnas/
Sabres(360 crank) used to sound pretty = cool,too.
  As for vibes,I've heard the newer VFR's have = a buzz at certain
speeds,but my old one was totally smooth.One of the = few good things
I can say about the Buell is that it is Goldwing = smooth on the
highway.'Course,at lights you can watch the front = wheel bounce up
and down. ;-)


From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 08:58:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24601; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02182; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:57:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09301; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id AAD5A6A0118; Thu Dec 04 08:06:29 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:56:25 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0092.80563340.jywon@imisys.com> From: Justin Won Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'Alan Jarand'" , "'jcarver@XXXXXX'" , "suzuki-l@XXXXXX" , "bandit-talk@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "'Sparkes, Chris'" Subject: RE: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:47:51 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That should probably be re-stated as "most in-line fours of 600cc or less tend to be buzzy". The bigger motors rev lower at highway speeds and don't create as much numbing (hi-freq) vibration. Justin On Thursday, December 04, 1997 7:15 AM, Alan Jarand [SMTP:ajarand@XXXXXX] wrote: > Whether it's rubber mounting, bearing, the shaft drive or whatever...I don't know... but not ALL fours are buzzy. > Alan jarand > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 09:00:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24753; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02297; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09568; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.140] (unverified [205.177.250.140]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 04 Dec 1997 09:04:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: wiring electrics to your bike.. Date: Thu, 4 Dec 97 09:00:18 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Brian McCoy" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > ohh, do cd players and radar detectors use the same juice? I'll > splice those together if they do... Buy the cigarette lighter adapter for both, and plug it into the power port on the frame of your bike;) Lacking a power port, you could kludge together a port by hitting Radio Shack, buying the socket, and a few round wire terminals. Attach the wire terminals to the battery. Might not be totally safe from shorts though... -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 09:00:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24759; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02301; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09578; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.140] (unverified [205.177.250.140]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 04 Dec 1997 09:04:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: A Bonny that doesn't leak? wow. Date: Thu, 4 Dec 97 09:00:22 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell cc: "DC Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Good point. However, a SMALL amount (just enough to fill gasket >imperfections) of RTV on a CLEAN surface works very well, indeed. And let's not forget clean. After pulling the valve cover gasket off of my Jeep more times than I wish to count, I finally figured out the trick. And step number one was to make sure all of the old gasket/sealer/burnt oil was removed from both mating surfaces. Then you have to use the RTV quite sparingly. Too much and it can break off, clogging oil passages and doing other nasty things. Too little, and it won't fill in the pits and dents in the gasket and/or the (in my case) valve cover. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 09:06:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24991; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02447; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09744; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ph@localhost) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29450 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:07:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:07:20 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: DC Cycles Subject: Where to buy saddlebags? In-Reply-To: <348615DB.FE062ADB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings listers! The bags I have bolted on my bike now are absolute losing garbage, and must be replaced before they fall off and wedge somewhere. So, does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might find some replacements? I am interested in high quality, probably black leather would be best. I'd prefer to do business locally, of course. My bike is a '97 Suzuki Marauder, if that makes a difference. Thanks in advance, Pete. --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 09:09:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25044; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02511; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09796; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA10860; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:08:35 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D37A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rain Riding... Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:07:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Mine are Metzlers. Aren't those supposed to be really good tires (?) A few people have told me the back is "almost" ready to change, but not quite... I was going to go with the Metzlers again, but am open to suggestions... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Gil M. Nissley [SMTP:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 7:18 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Rain Riding... > > On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, kevin thomas wrote: > > Have you gotten new tires since the party? You needed at least a > rear. > > Brian likes his Avons. Our email-deprived friend Thane likes > Michelin > > Macadam 50s, and so does my ex. I have Metzelers and I don't like > them. > > Worn tires are definitely uncool for rain.Does your bike(Jeanette) > still have the stockers?The ones I had on my '86 were crap.I later > changed to Dunlop K591's on my 500(and then on my 750 too) and liked > them > much better.I personally wouldn't recommend Avons cause I had a bad > experience with them over in England.My Nighthawk S had a Dunlop front > and Avon rear and the back end always got squirrely in the rain. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 09:32:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25742; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03002; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10484; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.138]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA9220; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:31:55 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Gil M. Nissley'" , Subject: Re: Rain Riding... Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:29:10 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971204143153.AAA9220@default> J- I really like Metzeler radials, but we have bias plies, and there are much newer designs that are better. The Metzeler bias ply _used_ to be the best. They haven't changed in 10+ years. As for "almost", that depends. Your tire is square, flat in the center. You'll see a big difference when you have a round one again. I think you'll wish you'd changed it right away. Yes, it's not worn to where it's unsafe or illegal, but..... I'm changing the VFR to CBR wheels and radials next time I buy tires, but if I didn't, I'd buy the Michelin Macadam 50. They're also great in the rain. You can't use radials on your stock wheels, btw. K He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 10:02:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26565; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03626; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:02:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11293; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA14266 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA28607 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971204150115.VWQF461@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:01:15 -0600 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 09:52 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Rocker Switch....Was: wiring electrics to your bike. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971204150115.VWQF461@[166.41.242.141]> Douglas Bashear wrote: >You could always just wire a cigarette lighter socket into your bike's >electrics, and then use car adaptors for the CD player, radar detector, >etc. that come with the product. You can pick up one of these sockets at >any Trak, but you'd definitely be able to find nicer kits (maybe even >weatherproof) in a JC Whitney or similar catalog. PEP Boys has the waterproof sockets. Now a question that I have posed before. Does anyone know where I can get a waterproof rocker switch measuring around 1"x1"? Please don't say, "try any good electronics/marine store". I have. I need to know that the part is where you say it is. Thanks Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ VTR, wantit, wantit, got to have it....... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 10:04:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26596; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03658; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11378; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:04:31 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256563.0052B78E ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:03:29 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256563.005255CB.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:03:01 -0500 Subject: Re: A Bonny that doesn't leak? wow. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=2zBuyxMcRBqjfahTl9WAjieP54Sk3jniPZuNSPdvXZrb7hvQLIawtouT" --0__=2zBuyxMcRBqjfahTl9WAjieP54Sk3jniPZuNSPdvXZrb7hvQLIawtouT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Another thing to remember (only comes to mind because I saw some guy do it on one of those auto repair shows)...if you undo all the bolts/nuts and the cover still wont budge, don't try to pry it open with a screw driver or something like that...you run the risk of marring the sealing surface and screwing up the seal *permanently*. The better solution is to bump the side of the cover with a rubber mallet or a piece of wood smacked with a hammer once or twice. 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References: <19971204143153.AAA9220@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kevin thomas wrote: > JYour tire is square, flat in the center. > You'll see a big difference when you have a round one again. Just give the bike to Collin for a few days... I hear he knows how to round the tire out again! = :o Not recommended for newbies (or most grizzled bikers, for that matter). Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 10:05:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26637; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03747; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11430; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA07842 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:05:47 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:05:47 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rain Riding... Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:06:03 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 29 TEXT >Mine are Metzlers. Aren't those supposed to be really good tires (?) A Metzelers are very good tires - they have a range of products that go from hi mileage tires (not overly sticky) to high stick tires (nor overly long lasting). What you have to do is pick a tire that corresponds with your riding style (and fits your bike). You probably can't use radials due to the width (lack thereof, specifically) of your rims. I use Metzeler Comp-Ks on my SRX-6 (600cc single cylinder) and they stick quite nicely. They don't last for shit, though - 5K miles for a rear is normal, with about 2.5 times that for the front. (Collin - I don't want to hear it!) (Collin's at the other end of the extreme - but his choices fit his riding style perfectly - the only time I get a bike cranked over as far as Collin does is in the process of crashing) The biggest thing is to match the front and rear tread patterns/rubber compounds to maximize performance (performance being defined as keeping the rubber side DOWN). Usually this will mean matched fronts & rears from a single manufacturer. Not necessarily the cheapest route, but when one's life depends on two contact patches about the size of the palm of your hand... Michael J. '93 GSX 1100GP (Metzeler ME/Z2s (front & rear) medium mileage, medium stick) '86 SRX-6 (Metzeler ME-1 (rear) and ME-33 (front) - both Comp-Ks - low mileage, high stick) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 10:08:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26734; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03771; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11490; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:07:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:49:22 -0500 Message-ID: <29B0863401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <26B0863401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 9:51:25 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles) Subject: Re: Where to buy saddlebags? Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Leather looks great, but as a material for making motorcycle saddlebags it leaves much to be desired. They scratch very easily, get dirty, need constant attention like any leather item, and cost twice as much than any other material. If you insist on that "wild west" look (how this came to be associated with motorcycles eludes me) Willy&Max bags copy that genre in vinyl and are of good quality. Most cycle shops carry them, shop around. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 10:33:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27467; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04347; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12327; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:33:25 -0500 (EST) From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Received: from SMTP (auntie_virus.osc.uscg.mil [10.49.120.11]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12496 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.uscg.mil ([192.168.49.8]) by 10.49.120.11 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:32:59 0000 (GMT) Received: From InternetGateway by internet.uscg.mil with InterMail (5.4 MIME) Id MSC01-097138@XXXXXX ; 4 Dec 97 10:32:31 EST Message-Id: Subject: Wanted: Date: 4 Dec 97 10:27:02 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Ya'll, I got a buddy here at work looking for a cheap (real cheap) intro bike. For some silly reason he'd like a moped as first choice but if not maybe a small displacement bike. I seem to recall a GT250 for $150 last week or so.... I may have to check that out when I get home... Thanks in advance Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 10:37:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27609; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:37:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04448; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12452; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24171 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:36:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24157 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:36:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712041536.KAA24157@clark.net> Subject: Re: Where to buy saddlebags? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:36:50 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Leather looks great, but as a material for making motorcycle saddlebags > it leaves much to be desired. They scratch very easily, get dirty, need > constant attention like any leather item, and cost twice as much than any > other material. > If you insist on that "wild west" look (how this came to be associated > with motorcycles eludes me) Willy&Max bags copy that genre in vinyl and > are of good quality. Most cycle shops carry them, shop around. R & R Cycle Too is a "custom" shop across the street from the Springfield VA. Post Office. I only stopped in there once, but I remember they had a lot of Willy&Max saddlebags. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 10:56:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28384; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04942; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqmail.usda.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13063; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:56:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from x400@localhost) by hqmail.usda.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04176 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:56:16 -0500 (EST) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-MTS-Identifier: [/P=GOV+USDA/A=ATTMAIL/C=US/;3486D47C.CBAE.00FB.000] Content-Identifier: Rocker Switch... Expiry-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 0:00:00 -0500 UA-Content-Id: Rocker Switch... Autoforwarded: FALSE Priority: Normal Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Personal Received: by ATTMAIL; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:03:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:03:00 -0500 From: Robert B Vance Subject: Rocker Switch....Was: wiring electrics to your bike. -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (Receipt Notification Requested) Message-Id: <3486D47C.CBAE.00FB.000@MHS> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME Now a question that I have posed before. Does anyone know where I can get a waterproof rocker switch measuring around 1"x1"? Please don't say, "try any good electronics/marine store". I have. I need to know that the part is where you say it is. Thanks Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ VTR, wantit, wantit, got to have it....... """""""""""""""" "Waterproof rocker switch" - try a photography supply company. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 11:17:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28989; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06177; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13940; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA23494; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:15:59 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D37B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rain Riding... Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:14:46 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, then, here's the question re: stickiness & mileage. You know I'm a newbie (who plans to ride through the winter), so what type of tires do I need? (i.e., low stick, high mileage(?)) You've seen how straight-up I am in the curves!! ; ) I'm trying, though!! - Jeannette > Metzelers are very good tires - they have a range of products that go > from hi mileage tires (not overly sticky) to high stick tires (nor > overly long lasting). What you have to do is pick a tire that > corresponds with your riding style (and fits your bike). > > Michael J. > '93 GSX 1100GP (Metzeler ME/Z2s (front & rear) medium mileage, medium > stick) > '86 SRX-6 (Metzeler ME-1 (rear) and ME-33 (front) - both Comp-Ks - low > mileage, high stick) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 11:34:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29641; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07157; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14747; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA27069 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:34:00 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma027045; Thu, 4 Dec 97 11:33:58 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA12209 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881252172; Thu, 04 Dec 97 11:31:09 -0500 Message-Id: <9712048812.AA881252172@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 97 08:04:49 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Sat. Ride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, There are about 6-7 of you who want to ride on Sat. At this point, unless my bike dies in the next 24 hours, I'm taking off early tomorrow morning to just cruise some backroads. I'm planning on returning home tomorrow night and would therefore be available to ride on Saturday as well - we just need someone to step up to the plate and offer to lead. Collin's out of the game due to anti-squidly behavior (for once ), Glenn seems to dislike cold weather, Todd? Anyone else out there lead a lot (Michael J?) - Heck, if nothing else - I'll make sure I'm back for Sat. to lead (scope out roads tomorrow I guess). Just want to set up some sort of plans here... want to make that 30K marker by the new year..... Cheers all, and ride safe. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 11:45:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00242; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07500; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15535; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA27551 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:35:17 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma027409; Thu, 4 Dec 97 11:34:58 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA12457 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881252350; Thu, 04 Dec 97 11:32:10 -0500 Message-Id: <9712048812.AA881252350@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 97 10:50:21 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Rain Riding... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought almost all tire manufacturers recommend running the same brand front and rear - well, I know for a fact that Avons hate mixing with Metzlers - I had a ME33 comp K front and Avon rear and it was a little scary to ride - but with the SuperVenom front and rear, the only thing that makes life interesting is the antiquated suspension. The tires grab very well, wear great, and I've yet to experience any problems when running both front and rear on the Avons. As always, YMMV - literally in this case. One word of argument for the Avons - almost all the Vintage road racers use the SuperVenoms, and if it's good enough for track duty on a $30,000 Ducati, it's good enough for my $700 Mini'ceptor. Ride safe, Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, kevin thomas wrote: > Have you gotten new tires since the party? You needed at least a rear. > Brian likes his Avons. Our email-deprived friend Thane likes Michelin > Macadam 50s, and so does my ex. I have Metzelers and I don't like them. Worn tires are definitely uncool for rain.Does your bike(Jeanette) still have the stockers?The ones I had on my '86 were crap.I later changed to Dunlop K591's on my 500(and then on my 750 too) and liked them much better.I personally wouldn't recommend Avons cause I had a bad experience with them over in England.My Nighthawk S had a Dunlop front and Avon rear and the back end always got squirrely in the rain. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 11:51:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00441; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07692; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15789; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA12019; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:50:03 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D382@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sat. Ride Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:48:51 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Keep me posted, Brian. You've got my number... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 11:56:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00611; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07838; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15950; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA01083 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:55:53 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma000813; Thu, 4 Dec 97 11:54:59 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA13670 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881254288; Thu, 04 Dec 97 11:52:09 -0500 Message-Id: <9712048812.AA881254288@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 97 11:50:29 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Jeannettes Tires MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a question you have to ask yourself. Do you think you might start going faster and turning harder? Will you trust your tires to grab at higher speeds? Will the tires grip at higher speeds? You have to answer the first two, and no many people really know about the third question. I sure don't. BUT, I don't want to end up seeing just how abrasion resistant my 'Stich is - so I tend to put on a tire that I know will hold the bike to the road. It's nice knowing that the tires are sticky (I ride like a 2x4 when I'm on cold tires).. I guess I pay for the comfort - but then again, the Avons are some of the cheaper tires out there (about $220 for both, mounted - $200 if you mount and balance at home). Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Ok, then, here's the question re: stickiness & mileage. You know I'm a newbie (who plans to ride through the winter), so what type of tires do I need? (i.e., low stick, high mileage(?)) You've seen how straight-up I am in the curves!! ; ) I'm trying, though!! - Jeannette > Metzelers are very good tires - they have a range of products that go > from hi mileage tires (not overly sticky) to high stick tires (nor > overly long lasting). What you have to do is pick a tire that > corresponds with your riding style (and fits your bike). > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 12:01:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01004; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08012; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:01:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16382; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA17514; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:05:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3486E194.6C965F7D@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 12:00:05 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Rain Riding... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D37B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Ok, then, here's the question re: stickiness & mileage. You know I'm a > newbie (who plans to ride through the winter), so what type of tires do > I need? (i.e., low stick, high mileage(?)) You've seen how straight-up > I am in the curves!! ; ) The last time this thread came around, the subject was about how age made tires hard and unuseable. The part I remember and that made a lot of sense to me was getting tires that you would wear out in about two years of riding. If you ride 2000 miles per year, buy tires that will last no more than 4000 miles. Anything harder than that is wasted anyway. I'm going to try to show up on Saturday. When and where is the starting point? Leon. Ninja 250 - shod with Metzler Marathons - (high mileage tires) 15,000 miles and counting. This is an improvement over the same tires on a SilverWing - - it rode like it had tires made of steel and a frame made of rubber. > I'm trying, though!! > > - Jeannette > > > Metzelers are very good tires - they have a range of products that go > > from hi mileage tires (not overly sticky) to high stick tires (nor > > overly long lasting). What you have to do is pick a tire that > > corresponds with your riding style (and fits your bike). > > > > Michael J. > > '93 GSX 1100GP (Metzeler ME/Z2s (front & rear) medium mileage, medium > > stick) > > '86 SRX-6 (Metzeler ME-1 (rear) and ME-33 (front) - both Comp-Ks - low > > mileage, high stick) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 12:05:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01203; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08179; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16635; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA26727 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:02:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:05:03 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA34648B8D7A@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" Subject: RE: Sat. Ride Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:05:00 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain All Right, That's it! If we're passin' out ph. numbers on these "rides", I am definitely gonna make the next one! :-) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 1997 11:48 AM > To: 'Brian McCoy'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Sat. Ride > > Keep me posted, Brian. You've got my number... > > - Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 12:14:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01410; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08528; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16969; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:14:15 -0500 (EST) From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Received: from SMTP (auntie_virus.osc.uscg.mil [10.49.120.11]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20362 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.uscg.mil ([192.168.49.8]) by 10.49.120.11 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 04 Dec 1997 17:13:50 0000 (GMT) Received: From InternetGateway by internet.uscg.mil with InterMail (5.4 MIME) Id MSC01-097153@XXXXXX ; 4 Dec 97 12:13:24 EST Message-Id: Subject: Bummer...nice day Date: 4 Dec 97 11:52:39 EST To: !dc-cycles/InternetGateway@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just made a run over to our HQ and back on the shuttle bus...It's gorgeous out there!!! To bad I'm sittin here looking at HVAC plans and cruise ship blueprints :( At least the ride home should be pleasant. Looks like that afternoon shower that was forecasted won't be coming through any time soon.... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 12:16:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01512; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08639; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17080; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA23593; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:13:06 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D383@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Jeannettes Tires Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:11:52 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain HOPEFULLY I'll start going faster & turning harder... ; ) Ok, so I guess I need a combination of the two. I'm planning on (time permitting) getting tires this weekend, so I guess I'll ask the shop I go to...(Cycle Sport - 'cause it's so damn close!) Thanks, everyone... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 1997 11:50 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Jeannettes Tires > > > That's a question you have to ask yourself. Do you think you > might > start going faster and turning harder? Will you trust your tires > to > grab at higher speeds? Will the tires grip at higher speeds? > You > have to answer the first two, and no many people really know > about the > third question. I sure don't. BUT, I don't want to end up > seeing > just how abrasion resistant my 'Stich is - so I tend to put on a > tire > that I know will hold the bike to the road. It's nice knowing > that > the tires are sticky (I ride like a 2x4 when I'm on cold tires).. > I > guess I pay for the comfort - but then again, the Avons are some > of > the cheaper tires out there (about $220 for both, mounted - $200 > if > you mount and balance at home). > > Brian > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 12:17:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01521; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08650; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17100; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA13260; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA20758; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971204171442.WSKA461@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:14:42 -0600 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 12:08 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Brian McCoy" CC: Subject: Re: Sat. Ride X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971204171442.WSKA461@[166.41.242.141]> Greetings, There are about 6-7 of you who want to ride on Sat. At this point, unless my bike dies in the next 24 hours, I'm taking off early tomorrow morning to just cruise some backroads. I'm planning on returning home tomorrow night and would therefore be available to ride on Saturday as well - we just need someone to step up to the plate and offer to lead. Collin's out of the game due to anti-squidly behavior (for once ), Glenn seems to dislike cold weather, Todd? Anyone else out there lead a lot (Michael J?) - Heck, if nothing else - I'll make sure I'm back for Sat. to lead (scope out roads tomorrow I guess). Just want to set up some sort of plans here... want to make that 30K marker by the new year..... Cheers all, and ride safe. Brian Not this weekend for me, unfortunately. Like Collin, I've got chores to attend to that have been stacking up. However, there is always next Saturday :-) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 12:26:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01852; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09001; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo02.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17342; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:26:21 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <8e406314.3486e6aa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:21:44 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR exhaust notes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) << On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Justin Won wrote: > It's 750cc V4 180 degree crank engine produces some of the > sweetest exhaust notes I've ever heard. Yep.But I like the older models better.My '86 with dual pipes would sound like a small NASCAR V8 when revved.The big Magnas/ Sabres(360 crank) used to sound pretty cool,too. >> In case anyone on the list owns or plans to buy a late model VFR750C Magna and change the exhaust, I don't recommend it. After hearing Cobra and Mac slip-on mufflers I didn't like the sound one bit. At a dealer accessory convention two years ago, I asked the Two Brother's Racing people if their $400 mufflers sounded like the competitor's. They told me their muffs sounded great. So I buy a set. Well, they look a lot better than any other exhaust on the Magna, but produce that same weird two cycle sound the others do. It sounds like no other exhaust note I have ever heard. BTW, If anyone on the list wants advice on buying an ATV, I gotta lotta two cent opinions based on experience. Richard Wood 1994 VFR750C 1996 Polaris 425 Magnum From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 13:04:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03268; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10139; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin41.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18880; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:04:36 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin41.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA28892 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:04:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:04:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971204130359_-892473571@mrin41.mx> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: we need a roommate in Silver Spring Hi all, Generally I'm a lurker unless I really need something, and right now I need a roommate. We have an older house in downtown Silver Spring. It has hardwood floors, a fireplace, a washer/dryer, a kitchen in need of remodeling, and if we rearranged the garage, the could get another bike in there (probably not a fully dressed touring bike though). The available bedroom is downstairs. The other downstairs bedroom is used as an office. There is a bathroom downstairs which, while not private, is generally used only my whoever is living downstairs. We are both non-smoking motorcycle riders. One of us (me) works at home (if you want to know what I do, see http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html). The other one of us works in a local bike shop. There are two boys, ages 9 and 12, here between 7 and 10 days each month. Their room is upstairs, and not above the room that is for rent. We don't care what you do as long as you pay the rent, are friendly, and don't smoke. Rent is $400 + 1/3 utilities. If anyone out there is interested, e-mail or call 301/589-8869 Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 13:05:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03299; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10159; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:05:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18941; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA13963 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:04:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA27945 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971204173524.YZCW32510@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:35:24 -0600 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 12:30 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Subject: Re: Jeannettes Tires X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971204173524.YZCW32510@[166.41.242.141]> Since you are a self-proclaimed newbie, and you've admitted to taking it easy in the corners, I would suggest a dual compound tire like the Dunlop D205 (radial) or K591. Reason: You eventually will not be so timid going into corners and will eventually will be an oldie. This tire set up offers the luxury of higher mileage (save you some $$$), and when the time is right some more aggressive turning. IMO don't you know...... Todd >Ok, then, here's the question re: stickiness & mileage. You know I'm a >newbie (who plans to ride through the winter), so what type of tires do >I need? (i.e., low stick, high mileage(?)) You've seen how straight-up >I am in the curves!! ; ) >I'm trying, though!! > >- Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 13:05:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03307; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10155; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18934; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05314; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from BERGIE.PARAGON ([207.152.132.67] (may be forged)) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28700; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:05:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712041805.NAA28700@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "Meier, Christopher" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Sat. Ride Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:03:09 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Meier, Christopher > To: 'Brian McCoy' ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'O'Brien, Jeannette' > Subject: RE: Sat. Ride > Date: Thursday, December 04, 1997 12:05 PM > > All Right, That's it! If we're passin' out ph. numbers on these > "rides", I am definitely gonna make the next one! :-) > > Later, > chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > > > ---------- > > From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 1997 11:48 AM > > To: 'Brian McCoy'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Sat. Ride > > > > Keep me posted, Brian. You've got my number... > > > > - Jeannette > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 13:43:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04795; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11903; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:39:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20444; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA15652 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:39:00 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma015538; Thu, 4 Dec 97 13:38:52 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA16975 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881260221; Thu, 04 Dec 97 13:36:03 -0500 Message-Id: <9712048812.AA881260221@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 97 13:29:41 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Jeannettes Tires MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remember we're working with rims that can handle 100 fronts and 120 rears - (that's 1 size up from recommended on both ends, and all tires I've tried fit well with those sizes). Do they make 'specialty' tires in these smaller (18" rear as well) and nonstandard sizes? This puts a big limit on what we can buy (mostly we must stay with bias ply - as a rule, there are always exceptions). Just thoughts.. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Since you are a self-proclaimed newbie, and you've admitted to taking it easy in the corners, I would suggest a dual compound tire like the Dunlop D205 (radial) or K591. Reason: You eventually will not be so timid going into corners and will eventually will be an oldie. This tire set up offers the luxury of higher mileage (save you some $$$), and when the time is right some more aggressive turning. IMO don't you know...... Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 14:04:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05672; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13411; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21214; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:00:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id NAA12091; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:58:55 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D38C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re[2]: Jeannettes Tires Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:57:42 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Duh. You have the same bike, what do you recommend - brand names, etc. (keeping in mind MY riding style, not YOURS, speedy!) ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 1997 1:30 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re[2]: Jeannettes Tires > > > Remember we're working with rims that can handle 100 fronts and > 120 > rears - (that's 1 size up from recommended on both ends, and all > tires > I've tried fit well with those sizes). Do they make 'specialty' > tires > in these smaller (18" rear as well) and nonstandard sizes? This > puts > a big limit on what we can buy (mostly we must stay with bias ply > - as > a rule, there are always exceptions). > > Just thoughts.. > > Brian > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 14:17:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06051; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14380; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21694; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA11235; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:13:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA17603; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971204191322.XIWM461@XXXXXX>; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:13:22 -0600 Message-ID: <348700C8.24E4D2E2@mci.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 14:13:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Rubber frames References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D37B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> <3486E194.6C965F7D@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Leon, Are the the *actual* same tires, or just the same types of tires? Just curious, I'm surprised you gave them a second chance if they felt so bad the first time around. I've got this setup now on my LTD and I really like them. I'll probably never wear them out before they grow old and die, but I'm gonna try real hard. :-) If the weather warms up just a little bit, I might be there Saturday too, provided I find out where 'there' is... :-) Dale (the Horkster) `The Horkster’, aka Dale Horstman dale.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1987 Suzuki Savage 650 Leon Begeman wrote: > This is an improvement over the same tires on a SilverWing - - it rode like > it had tires made of steel and a frame made of rubber. > I'm going to try to show up on Saturday. When and where is the starting > point? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 14:43:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06798; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15344; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22388; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:40:57 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA26459 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:40:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199712041940.AA26459@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:40:55 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:40:55 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:40:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:36:26 -0500 Subject: Re: VFR exhaust notes To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8e406314.3486e6aa@aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME ..I have an 85 VF700C Magna with the original factory exhaust... knowing someone who replaced their 85 Magnas exhaust with some aftermarket exhaust I can honestly say that the factory exhaust definately sounds much throater than the aftermarkets...you're right it definately sounded "pingy"...made the bike sound like it was several hundred cc's smaller and and a two stroke... ..I have no idea how much Honda would charge for a factory replacement, but if I have to replace my pipes, I'll definately stick with the factory version.. cheers, -aki > > << On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Justin Won wrote: > > It's 750cc V4 180 degree crank engine produces some of the > > sweetest exhaust notes I've ever heard. > > Yep.But I like the older models better.My '86 with dual pipes > would sound like a small NASCAR V8 when revved.The big Magnas/ > Sabres(360 crank) used to sound pretty cool,too. >> > > In case anyone on the list owns or plans to buy a late model VFR750C Magna and > change the exhaust, I don't recommend it. After hearing Cobra and Mac slip-on > mufflers I didn't like the sound one bit. At a dealer accessory convention two > years ago, I asked the Two Brother's Racing people if their $400 mufflers > sounded like the competitor's. They told me their muffs sounded great. So I > buy a set. Well, they look a lot better than any other exhaust on the Magna, > but produce that same weird two cycle sound the others do. It sounds like no > other exhaust note I have ever heard. > > BTW, If anyone on the list wants advice on buying an ATV, I gotta lotta two > cent opinions based on experience. > > Richard Wood > 1994 VFR750C > 1996 Polaris 425 Magnum > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 14:48:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06930; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:48:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15461; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22578; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA22239 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:50:49 -0500 Message-ID: <34870866.FFD94937@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 14:45:43 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Rubber frames References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D37B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> <3486E194.6C965F7D@illuminet.net> <348700C8.24E4D2E2@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Same type of tires. The Ninja 250 and Honda Silverwing have different sizes of tires. The rubber frame/steel tire combination was a comment from Scott Davis when I convinced him to switch bikes for a few miles. I like the Metzler Marathons because I don't have to buy tires more than once a year. The only tires I've ever switched away from because they didn't have enough grip were from JCWhitney. They worked ok when the road was dry but things got real exciting when the road was wet. Leon. Dale Horstman wrote: > Leon, > > Are the the *actual* same tires, or just the same types of tires? > Just curious, I'm surprised you gave them a second chance if > they felt so bad the first time around. I've got this setup now > on my LTD and I really like them. I'll probably never wear > them out before they grow old and die, but I'm gonna try real > hard. :-) > > If the weather warms up just a little bit, I might be there Saturday > too, provided I find out where 'there' is... :-) > > Dale (the Horkster) > > `The Horkster’, aka Dale Horstman > dale.horstman@XXXXXX > > 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > 1987 Suzuki Savage 650 > > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > This is an improvement over the same tires on a SilverWing - - it rode like > > it had tires made of steel and a frame made of rubber. > > > I'm going to try to show up on Saturday. When and where is the starting > > point? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 14:51:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07049; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15551; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22652; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:49:25 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA26883 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:49:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199712041949.AA26883@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:49:29 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:49:29 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:49:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:44:58 -0500 Subject: rain rain goaway! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: H00001330b2b1bd3 X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME just an fyi..it's starting to rain here in Reston and it looks like it's heading north...not raining real heavy...just nuff to be annoying and tie up traffic and get your leathers nice and wet...*sigh* cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 15:05:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07380; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15904; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23171; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IQS2ANHFUO8ZJ0ID@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:02:35 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:00:14 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:00:14 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:00:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: exhaust notes To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:00:36 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1221IDI38LXB X400-MTS-identifier: [;41005140217991/2162127@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Speaking of exhaust notes... I'm very pleased with the rumble I'm getting from my Hawk. The SuperTrapp run wide open seems to do the trick. For in town use it's not too loud (IMHO). The roar when engine braking is worth the price of admission (where's that dump truck?). Quite a contrast to all the screaming i-4s I've ridden with. Kirk scrittore di pensieri spuntati From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 15:24:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08217; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16374; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23969; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A557DBE0154; Thu Dec 04 14:32:39 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:22:34 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD00C8.724C3CA0.jywon@imisys.com> From: Justin Won Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , "RDWOODJR@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: VFR exhaust notes Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:22:33 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The dealer price on a stock exhaust system for the 94+ VFR750 is (are you sitting down?) $1,467. You could buy 3 competitors systems for that much. Justin On Thursday, December 04, 1997 14:36 PM, aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] wrote: > (snip) > ..I have no idea how much Honda would charge for a factory > replacement, but if I have to replace my pipes, I'll definately > stick with the factory version.. > > > cheers, > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 15:26:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08327; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16382; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24138; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.163]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA17109; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:24:34 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd Peer" , Subject: Re: Jeannettes Tires Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:50:50 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971204202433.AAA17109@default> Jeannette-- Oh, I forgot. I used to use Bridgestone Spitfire dual compound tires on my CB750. I liked them a lot. They lasted a lot longer than the Dunlop (model unknown) I had on the back before (10K rear vs 6K, 14K+ front). They handled well and were plenty sticky for my relative newbie style at the time. The dual compound gives a harder rubber in the center for long life, soft rubber on the sides for good stick. I have Metzeler ME33 front and ME55 or ME99 (had both) rear and I'm not impressed. Like I said, I _am_ impressed with the Metzeler MEZ series of radials. I had a ME1 comp K in the back at first. Nice enough, but lasted 3K. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 15:26:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08334; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16386; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24141; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.163]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAC17109; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:24:38 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , Subject: Re: valve cover removal technique Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:12:10 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971204202433.AAC17109@default> Y'all-- Doug is 100% right. Also, if you think you got all the bolts out but didn't, the hammer trick won't break your valve cover. Prying might. Use this technique on all stuck parts. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 15:36:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08907; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:36:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16668; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24910; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:36:05 -0500 (EST) From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Received: from SMTP (auntie_virus.osc.uscg.mil [10.49.120.11]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06444 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.uscg.mil ([192.168.49.8]) by 10.49.120.11 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 04 Dec 1997 20:35:44 0000 (GMT) Received: From InternetGateway by internet.uscg.mil with InterMail (5.4 MIME) Id MSC01-097209@XXXXXX ; 4 Dec 97 15:35:11 EST Message-Id: Subject: Re: Bummer...nice day Date: 4 Dec 97 15:14:32 EST To: !dc-cycles/InternetGateway@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ouch, let the flogging begin... I guess I shouldn't have said anything :) Oh well, at least the leather does a fairly good job of keeping me dry. CT ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ****** FORWARDED MESSAGE ****** Date: Dec 4, 1997 2:33 PM Message ID: 829524921BE9 From: aki.damme@XXXXXX/Internet To: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Copies: !dc-cycles/InternetGateway@XXXXXX Blind CC: Attach: Subject: Bummer...nice day just an fyi..it's starting to rain here in Reston and it looks like it's heading north...not raining real heavy...just nuff to be annoying and tie up traffic... cheers, -aki > Just made a run over to our HQ and back on the shuttle bus...It's gorgeous > out there!!! To bad I'm sittin here looking at HVAC plans and cruise ship > blueprints :( > > At least the ride home should be pleasant. Looks like that afternoon shower > that was forecasted won't be coming through any time soon.... > > Collin > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 16:09:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09938; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17502; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26149; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.163]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA23997; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:08:22 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , Cc: Subject: Re:exhaust notes, prices Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:05:37 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971204210821.AAA23997@default> Yup. On my 92, a muffler was like $400, and the collector box was in that ballpark. Of course, the only thing you'd ever have to replace is a crash damaged muffler. The rest is stainless, and much heavier than any aftermarket pipes. They'd never go bad. And if you wrecked bad enough to take out the collector box, you wouldn't be fixing the bike.... My 92 muffler got noticeably louder around 28K miles. Not unpleasant, or even comparable to the quietest aftermarket one. 80% of me likes stock mufflers, the other 20% likes noisy ones. The modest noise chang made me all happy. The muffs for my 87 are $250 each for 2. Again, the headpipes would never go bad except in a wreck. On my 73 CB750K, I had 4 pipes with integral muflers. They'd probably last 4 years max under normal conditions. Mine were original 'cause the bike had had a 4 into 1 most of its life. I replaced one pipe for $125. that's $500+ in exhaust for a bike that you could buy in average condition for that much. My ex's 78 CB550 had 4 pipes at $150 each. We replaced one original. The bike had been garaged since 79, after being ridden 9K the first year. Never again after the owner's son was killed on a mc. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 16:53:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11642; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18480; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28411; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:53:13 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA02346 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:53:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199712042153.AA02346@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:53:10 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:53:10 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:53:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:42:06 -0500 Subject: RE: VFR exhaust notes To: jywon@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, RDWOODJR@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01BD00C8.724C3CA0.jywon@imisys.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME eeeeeyyyyAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! that's it...if I get any holes..it's a trip to Trak and a roll of muffler tape for $2.95... -aki > The dealer price on a stock exhaust system for the 94+ VFR750 is (are you > sitting down?) $1,467. You could buy 3 competitors systems for that much. > Justin > > On Thursday, December 04, 1997 14:36 PM, aki.damme@XXXXXX > [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] wrote: > > (snip) > > ..I have no idea how much Honda would charge for a factory > > replacement, but if I have to replace my pipes, I'll definately > > stick with the factory version.. > > > > > > cheers, > > -aki > > > > Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 17:24:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12747; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19524; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29814; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id RAA16555 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA18735 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971204211106.EXJ32510@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:11:06 -0600 Message-ID: <34871C60.659F617E@mci.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 16:10:56 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: VFR exhaust notes References: <01BD00C8.724C3CA0.jywon@imisys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hell, I could (and did) buy 3 *bikes* for that much! :-) Granted, they don't look as nice or shiny as a new stock exhaust system...actually, they don't look as nice as most beat up old rusty exhaust systems... (Well, one does, but it's the wife's bike.) Anyway, YMMV. I would hope that there would be and aftermarket exhaust out there somewhere that doesn't make the Magna sound like a chainsaw, cause I might be tempted into buying a nice used one, 10 to 15 years from now... Horkster Justin Won wrote: > The dealer price on a stock exhaust system for the 94+ VFR750 is (are you > sitting down?) $1,467. You could buy 3 competitors systems for that much. > Justin > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 17:56:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14121; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21154; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo10.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00780; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:56:19 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <18b69f4d.34873126@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:39:31 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Count me in on the ride.....dont think I wanna lead tho. I think it would probably be best for the person who knows the roads we take best to lead (GREAT BIG "DUHHHHHH"). Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 19:11:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16547; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA23893; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from access4.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02930; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:10:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (dipaula@localhost) by access4.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA08229; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:10:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:10:11 -0500 (EST) From: Donald DiPaula To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, DC Cycles mailing list Subject: trailers? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i'm planning to move to tucson, arizona next year... does anyone know of a u-haul type place that had bike trailers for rent one-way? or, if not, does anyone know of a bike trailer for sale cheap? doesn't have to be top--of-the- line, i only expect to have to use it this once... the other thing is, i have to figure how to attach it to the back of my (pastic-bumper) civic... -D- "White has an insurmountable advantage in chess and should be able to win every game. I have discovered a marvelous proof of this, which this .signature is too small to contain." My 1989 Honda CB-1 (CB400F) is *SOLD*! My 1989 Honda CRX Si is for sale, email me if interested. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 19:46:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17482; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24572; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03530; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.85]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA3494 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:45:00 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Colleen's house Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:42:11 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971205004459.AAA3494@default> Hey, y'all-- As the universal arbiter of taste, it is my job to tell you that Colleen's house is really cool, with lots of personality, convenient to downtown Silver Spring. Colleen and her boyfriend are cool too, and his kids are pretty decent, for kids. If I needed a place to live, I'd be there. Consider this the Kevin Thomas Seal of Approval. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 22:43:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23417; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27823; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08246; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.133] (unverified [205.177.250.133]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:47:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR Date: Thu, 4 Dec 97 22:43:23 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Yep.But I like the older models better.My '86 with dual pipes >would sound like a small NASCAR V8 when revved. Of course, some of us look at that as a bad thing.... -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 4 23:55:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25162; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29488; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09361; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA00666; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:02:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:02:06 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gasket install tips, anyone? In-Reply-To: <85256562.0069EE12.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Dec 1997 Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: >....my '81 Suzuki GS > 750L has a leak around the base of the leftmost (when I'm on the bike) > cylinder...I assume that I need a new gasket, or at least to retorque the > head, but I'm wondering if I have to have the engine out of the bike to do > it...there's certainly not much room to work when the tank is > installed...any ideas anyone?? > This is not a terribly high pressure gasket: if you're not losing but a couple of drops of oil a day, it will look messy, but not make much functional difference (i.e., you can ignore it). But if you want to re-torque it, no, engine does not have to be out of the bike; but this job's usually easier with the tank off. The hardest part is guessing how much to tighten an exposed, corroded nut. I generally remove (sometimes replace) it and add thread lubricant. My success rate with this approach is around 50%, but I may be too cautious about overtightening. Anybody have relevant experience? --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 02:43:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29143; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA03458; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA11984; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA04364; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:38:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:35:24 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Rain Riding/Electric Wear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hey all, Since we're on these subjects,I thought I'd give everyone a heads up on two mag articles that might be of some help.In regards to riding in rain/bad weather,the latest issue of _Performane Bikes_ has an article on this very topic(haven't read it yet).On the subject of electric vests, the latest issue of _Rider_ has a comparo of electrical clothing. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 08:10:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05265; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09724; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15013; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA15038; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:10:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3487FDA3.B08A546C@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 08:12:03 -0500 From: "Robert W. Johnston" Reply-To: rjohns3@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garcia Oliver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gasket install tips, anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trivia for to day: Lubricating a bolt can decrease the torque rating as measured in foot pounds between 26 - 55% depending on the type of lubricant used. I have a table published in the second edition of the "Pocket Ref" if anyone wants it FYI rwj Garcia Oliver wrote: > I generally remove (sometimes replace) it and add thread lubricant... > > --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 08:26:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05527; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10421; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from comptroller.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15225; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from Payroll.umd.edu ([129.2.32.196]) by comptroller.umd.edu (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA340; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:16:25 -0500 Message-ID: <34880218.A53BDCB4@comptroller.umd.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 08:31:05 -0500 From: dhowell@XXXXXX (Delonte M. Howell) Reply-To: dhowell@XXXXXX Organization: University of Maryland, Office of the Comptroller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald DiPaula CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, DC Cycles mailing list Subject: Re: trailers? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit U-Haul does have some open flat bed trailers that can be used. This past summer I used a 5x8 closed trailer to transport my bike to Pocono Raceway. Two problems with this option. First, some of the closed containers don't have hooks in all of the corners so you have to be a little creative about strapping your bike down if you get one without the hooks. Second, if you tell them you are using a closed container to haul a motorcycle they will not rent it to you. I think the law prevents motor vehicles being transported in containers with no ventalation because of combustion issues. I was told that if I drained the gas tank it would not be a problem, but I am not expert on this subject. I just know that I did not have any problems. I was also not traveling in extremly hot conditions. With insurance I think the 5x8 was about $20 - $25 each day. Good luck, Delonte' Donald DiPaula wrote: > i'm planning to move to tucson, arizona next year... does anyone know > of a > u-haul type place that had bike trailers for rent one-way? or, if > not, does > anyone know of a bike trailer for sale cheap? doesn't have to be > top--of-the- > line, i only expect to have to use it this once... > > the other thing is, i have to figure how to attach it to the back of > my > (pastic-bumper) civic... > > -D- > > "White has an insurmountable advantage in chess and should be able to > win every > game. I have discovered a marvelous proof of this, which this > .signature is > too small to contain." > > My 1989 Honda CB-1 (CB400F) is *SOLD*! > My 1989 Honda CRX Si is for sale, email me if interested. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 08:43:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05927; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:43:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10805; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15534; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.163] (unverified [205.177.250.163]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 05 Dec 1997 08:47:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sat. Ride Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 08:42:52 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "Brian McCoy" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Not this weekend for me, unfortunately. Like Collin, I've got chores >to attend to that have been stacking up. However, there is always >next Saturday :-) Not a valid excuse! I'm supposed to be moving into a new apartment this weekend, and I'm still gonna *try* to make a ride;) Unless I can fit a sofa on the back of the Kawasaki, I doubt I'll get any other riding done (Hey, Leon, ever carried furniture on a bike?) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 08:49:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06205; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11094; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15779; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA03141 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 05:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 05:48:59 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA34648B8D82@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: Donald DiPaula Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, DC Cycles mailing list Subject: RE: trailers? Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 05:48:54 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Also, if you call 1-800-hitch-it, you can order draw-tite hitches straight from the outlet. Cheap! They ship from Phily and make them for most every vehicle. I ordered one a few years ago from them for my Rodeo. $130.00 (including shipping and ball) and it took only 20 mins to bolt it on. Easy. Course I knew nothing about the electric light hook ups, but the Isuzu dealer fixed that for me for about $45.00. Glad I didn't buy the Isuzu factory hitch as it cost over $400. Also gave my parents one for x-mas last year for their Ford Explorer. Shipped right to them, 20 mins to bolt on, and luckily the Explorer came pre-wired for the hook ups. Just plug and go. I *think* (be sure to check), that even a CRX should not have a problem pulling a bike. Although I think u-hauls will work for pulling bikes, I have never risked it. I have only needed to haul mine once, but it was a round trip, and I was fortunate enough to be able to borrow a trailer from a racer on the dc list. Perhaps you could contact MARRC (sp?) or other racing outfits to see if any of them maintain a classified section for racers to sell/swap stuff? Now that the season is over, someone out there must be looking to unload some stuff? Some folks have had success with flat bed trailers from Home Depot and Hechinger. These also should work, but for the most security, I would go with a bike trailer. YMMV, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: > dhowell@XXXXXX[SMTP:dhowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 05, 1997 8:31 AM > To: Donald DiPaula > Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX; DC Cycles mailing list > Subject: Re: trailers? > > U-Haul does have some open flat bed trailers that can be used. This > past summer I used a 5x8 closed trailer to transport my bike to Pocono > Raceway. Two problems with this option. First, some of the closed > containers don't have hooks in all of the corners so you have to be a > little creative about strapping your bike down if you get one without > the hooks. Second, if you tell them you are using a closed container > to > haul a motorcycle they will not rent it to you. I think the law > prevents motor vehicles being transported in containers with no > ventalation because of combustion issues. I was told that if I > drained > the gas tank it would not be a problem, but I am not expert on this > subject. I just know that I did not have any problems. I was also > not > traveling in extremly hot conditions. With insurance I think the 5x8 > was about $20 - $25 each day. > > Good luck, > Delonte' > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 09:18:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06957; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11609; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16465; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA16696 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:22:05 -0500 Message-ID: <34880CDD.2E63E76E@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 09:17:02 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Sat. Ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the PARR rides, there was a guy with a sidecar that carried a couple of lawn chairs and a big sun umbrella. I've never carried furniture - - - there's always plenty of that around, even the road side stops that cost nothing have a picnic table and bench, why would anyone need more than that? Sounds like you need a trailer. Almost any sofa would fit just fine on amost any trailer, even one small enough to tow behind a Kawasaki should be able to handle a sofa. I've been informed that I will not be permitted to ride this weekend. Labrador Retriever puppies for sale - they'll be 6 1/2 weeks old at Christmas. AKC OFA etc certifications - I can deliver them on Christmas at no extra charge - by motorcycle if you wish. Leon. George Howell wrote: > >Not this weekend for me, unfortunately. Like Collin, I've got chores > >to attend to that have been stacking up. However, there is always > >next Saturday :-) > > Not a valid excuse! I'm supposed to be moving into a new apartment this > weekend, and I'm still gonna *try* to make a ride;) Unless I can fit a > sofa on the back of the Kawasaki, I doubt I'll get any other riding done > (Hey, Leon, ever carried furniture on a bike?) > > ``` > (o o) > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > *--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 09:21:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06983; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11727; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16524; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:21:41 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256564.004EC97A ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:20:33 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256564.004E9A22.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:21:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Gasket install tips, anyone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=MNoNhr5oe0oJAs0MQOgDicSEhSZEbE6VW14rR8jC0spskD2QWZfeKsJq" --0__=MNoNhr5oe0oJAs0MQOgDicSEhSZEbE6VW14rR8jC0spskD2QWZfeKsJq Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, I only lose a couple of drops a ride...Maybe 10-15 drops on the 5 hour trip from NYC to DC, so nothing big, I guess...and I always keep the oil at a constant level. BTW, I switched to synthetic oil last week and was really surprised at how much smoother the M/C engine runs now...it seems to warm up faster, and there's definitely less resistance during cold weather starts. -Doug (Embedded image moved Garcia Oliver at to file: AMS-Internet PIC28885.PCX) 12/05/97 12:09 AM To: Douglas Brashear cc: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail Subject: Re: Gasket install tips, anyone? On Wed, 3 Dec 1997 Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: >....my '81 Suzuki GS > 750L has a leak around the base of the leftmost (when I'm on the bike) > cylinder...I assume that I need a new gasket, or at least to retorque the > head, but I'm wondering if I have to have the engine out of the bike to do > it...there's certainly not much room to work when the tank is > installed...any ideas anyone?? > This is not a terribly high pressure gasket: if you're not losing but a couple of drops of oil a day, it will look messy, but not make much functional difference (i.e., you can ignore it). But if you want to re-torque it, no, engine does not have to be out of the bike; but this job's usually easier with the tank off. The hardest part is guessing how much to tighten an exposed, corroded nut. I generally remove (sometimes replace) it and add thread lubricant. My success rate with this approach is around 50%, but I may be too cautious about overtightening. 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name="RFC822.TXT" Content-transfer-encoding: x-uuencode Content-Description: Text - character set unknown begin 644 0.TXT M4F5C96EV960Z(&9R;VT@=&]V92YC2!M:6US>2YC >would sound like a small NASCAR V8 when revved. > > Of course, some of us look at that as a bad thing.... > > -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 09:40:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07466; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12191; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dsava.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16962; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by virginia.dsava.com id <26888>; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:38:13 -0500 From: "Chris Hamlett" To: Subject: Re: Rain Riding/Electric Wear Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:40:16 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97Dec5.093813est.26888@virginia.dsava.com> If anyone's interested, there's also a short online article about rain riding at: http://www.activebike.com/index/features/RAIN.HTM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 10:15:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08615; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13069; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17916; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02) id AA653610146; Fri, 05 Dec 1997 10:14:45 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971205091650.009cb380@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 09:16:50 -0500 To: rjohns3@XXXXXX, Garcia Oliver From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Gasket install tips, anyone? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3487FDA3.B08A546C@ibm.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:12 AM 12/5/97 -0500, Robert W. Johnston wrote: >Trivia for to day: > >Lubricating a bolt can decrease the torque rating as measured in foot pounds >between 26 - 55% depending on the type of lubricant used. I have a table >published in the second edition of the "Pocket Ref" if anyone wants it What does it say for a graphite-based anti-seize coating? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 10:15:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08617; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13072; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17919; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA13507; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:08:50 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D3AC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Beautiful Morning Ride... Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:07:38 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, even though they forecasted "possible showers/flurries," I just HAD to test out the electrics this morning since they were installed last night... I probably didn't really need them, but I get cold VERY easily in the mornings (usually), so I plugged 'em in & was off... I didn't turn them up hardly at all & to tell the truth I wasn't sure if they were heating 'cause I felt toasty without being too warm in the least. When I got off the bike & took all the stuff off, though, I realized they were definitely working! I love my electrics already & can't wait to try them out in colder weather. BTW, the gloves do make you lose a little sensation, but you get used to it rather quickly, even in stop & go (much use of clutch) traffic. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 10:51:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09672; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14015; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18957; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA19286; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:55:56 -0500 Message-ID: <348822DC.E828AC73@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 10:50:53 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beautiful Morning Ride... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D28D3AC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Electric clothes are like sex, once you've tried it, substitutes just aren't acceptable. -- now leave me alone while I read Jeannette's post again. ;-) I think there might be a hidden message in that part about gloves. Leon. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Well, even though they forecasted "possible showers/flurries," I just > HAD to test out the electrics this morning since they were installed > last night... I probably didn't really need them, but I get cold VERY > easily in the mornings (usually), so I plugged 'em in & was off... I > didn't turn them up hardly at all & to tell the truth I wasn't sure if > they were heating 'cause I felt toasty without being too warm in the > least. When I got off the bike & took all the stuff off, though, I > realized they were definitely working! I love my electrics already & > can't wait to try them out in colder weather. > BTW, the gloves do make you lose a little sensation, but you get used to > it rather quickly, even in stop & go (much use of clutch) traffic. > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 11:49:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11531; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15397; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo06.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20808; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:49:19 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <5bbb92d6.3488306e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:48:44 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gasket install tips, anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) << The hardest part is guessing how much to tighten an exposed, corroded nut. I generally remove (sometimes replace) it and add thread lubricant. My success rate with this approach is around 50%, but I may be too cautious about overtightening. Anybody have relevant experience? --garcia >> More fodder for the old war horse. Good approach, although sometimes removing and retightening a nut, especially on a cylinder head, can invite a leak. Use a torque wrench and tighten to specs. After years of snapping off rusty hardware on small block V-8's as a youth, using a torque wrench for years on explosive cartriges in ejection seats on Navy fighter aircraft left me with a built-in torque wrench in my right arm. I would wince, watching my teenage son white-knuckle a fastener on his dirt bike. He received a torque wrench last Christmas. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 11:54:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11696; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15553; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20945; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from earthlink.net (ip183.herndon21.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.111.183] (may be forged)) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08906 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:53:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <348831C3.FE1CDE43@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 11:54:27 -0500 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: MC mailing lists link Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a link for all (OK, most) available motorcycle mailing lists. http://www.micapeak.com/info/mlist.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 12:08:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12283; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15852; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21524; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:06:57 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <6fbc68d8.348833d2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:59:01 EST To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR exhaust notes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Anyway, YMMV. I would hope that there would be and aftermarket exhaust out there somewhere that doesn't make the Magna sound like a chainsaw, cause I might be tempted into buying a nice used one, 10 to 15 years from now... Horkster >> Sorry mate, if the m/c aftermarket parts/accessory market continues the current trend, you may have one or two options of poor quality exhaust systems/mufflers to choose from. There are still a couple of aftermarket exhaust systems available for the mid "80's V4s. They are 4-1's and do sound good. I had a Kerker K series on my 83 Sabre, and it sounded like an unmuffled turbo Porche. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 12:16:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12495; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16075; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21800; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:15:11 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:06:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: French Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Kirk scrittore di pensieri spuntati >> Help me out here. The five years of French I studied aren't working here. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 12:34:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13073; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16492; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22473; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:33:06 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <4c824f5f.34883969@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:22:58 EST To: rjohns3@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gasket install tips, anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Lubricating a bolt can decrease the torque rating as measured in foot pounds between 26 - 55% depending on the type of lubricant used. I have a table published in the second edition of the "Pocket Ref" if anyone wants it FYI rwj >> I would like to see it, please. Years ago, as a Navy aircraft mechanic, we didn't use any type of fastener lube. All nuts were self-locking, but we still used a torque wrench on every fitting. I wondered if that had a effect on the torque specs. In all my years working for motorcycle dealers, most of the technicians used thread lube on internal engine hardware and cylinder head nuts. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 12:40:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13269; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16675; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22611; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:39:03 -0500 (EST) From: Bmwbobs Message-ID: <219fdc26.34883a6b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:26:20 EST To: thegn@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Stalme@XXXXXX, roberts@XXXXXX, rxdisanto@XXXXXX, HwthrnGrp@XXXXXX, ars2@XXXXXX, jcm@XXXXXX, ddoudna@XXXXXX, mking@XXXXXX, bombero@XXXXXX, mctours@XXXXXX Subject: BMW 1998 MC CALENDAR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Happy Holiday Season! 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Bob Henig Owner, rider and enthusiast From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 14:13:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16051; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18952; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25615; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA05422; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:10:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA08256; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:10:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971205191036.BFQB461@XXXXXX>; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:10:36 -0600 Message-ID: <348851A8.2ACEFBB@mci.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 14:10:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: RDWOODJR Subject: Re: Gasket install tips, anyone? References: <5bbb92d6.3488306e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody else get a kick out of Richard's old bike stories? I sure do. Sort of reminds me of my Dad's stories... "Yeah, back when I was your age, motorcycles only had one wheel. And it was square. Had to push start them too, then run up behind them and jump on. I had a little 10cc bike I had to ride 30 miles to school, uphill each way, through 12 feet of snow. We didn't have shoes back then either, had to warm our bare feet on the cylinder head...Yep, them was the days... You don't know how easy you have it...yada yada yada... Rich, I'm just kidding, keep them coming! :-) Horkster RDWOODJR wrote: > More fodder for the old war horse. > > Good approach, although sometimes removing and retightening a nut, especially > on a cylinder head, can invite a leak. Use a torque wrench and tighten to > specs. After years of snapping off rusty hardware on small block V-8's as a > youth, using a torque wrench for years on explosive cartriges in ejection > seats on Navy fighter aircraft left me with a built-in torque wrench in my > right arm. I would wince, watching my teenage son white-knuckle a fastener on > his dirt bike. He received a torque wrench last Christmas. > > Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 14:47:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17082; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19614; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:45:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26785; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05162 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:45:22 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:45:22 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: French Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:27:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT >> Kirk >> scrittore di pensieri spuntati > Help me out here. The five years of French I studied aren't working here. > Richard Credo! - Perche non e francese - e italiano! Michael (Michele) Jordan '93 GSX 1100GP '86 SRX-6 >6 years in Italy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 15:08:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17758; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20093; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27415; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:06:30 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <1153929d.34885dbd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:54:38 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: French Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 97-12-05 13:37:20 EST, you write: << scrittore di pensieri spuntati >> Help me out here. The five years of French I studied aren't working here.>> Not surpising considering I think thats ITALIAN, not french. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 15:10:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17793; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20119; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27488; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA06341; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:15:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:15:43 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Robert W. Johnston" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gasket install tips, anyone? In-Reply-To: <3487FDA3.B08A546C@ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My (vague) recollection is that standard published torque specs are for NEW fasteners that ARE lubricated; hence torqueing old, unlubed, corroded nuts is a crap-shoot. So...do I need to re-torque my head? --garcia "Everyone blames their memory; no one blames their judgement." La Rochefoucauld On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Robert W. Johnston wrote: > Trivia for to day: > > Lubricating a bolt can decrease the torque rating as measured in foot pounds > between 26 - 55% depending on the type of lubricant used. I have a table > published in the second edition of the "Pocket Ref" if anyone wants it > > FYI > > rwj > > Garcia Oliver wrote: > > > I generally remove (sometimes replace) it and add thread lubricant... > > > > --garcia > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 15:11:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17804; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20123; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27499; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:09:32 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <852fbe17.34885a68@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:40:39 EST To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: French Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) well first of all, it's Italian and it says something (I'm guessing based on latin roots I learned in French) about writing of thoughts on something???? In a message dated 12/5/97 1:37:20 PM, RDWOODJR@XXXXXX wrote: << Kirk scrittore di pensieri spuntati >> Help me out here. The five years of French I studied aren't working here.>> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 15:32:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18665; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20725; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28289; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:30:45 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <3ff1971f.34885fa1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:01:01 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding??????????? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) So has anyone come up with a plan for tomorrow? Ive seen that its just supposed to be a little chilly....nothing some warm clothes cant handle. Lets get on this. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 15:45:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19204; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:45:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20997; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from notes.sbd.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28767; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 85256564.0071BC76 ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:42:18 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256564.00722584.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:48:02 -0400 Subject: Re: French Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII well first of all, it's Italian and it says something (I'm guessing based on latin roots I learned in French) about writing of thoughts on something???? In a message dated 12/5/97 1:37:20 PM, RDWOODJR@XXXXXX wrote: << Kirk scrittore di pensieri spuntati ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hmmm I thought maybe it was something about ice cream... or liquor... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 15:59:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19594; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21342; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29227; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:57:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA25251; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:56:41 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D36E5@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'WantA ZX6'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riding??????????? Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:55:30 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I was thinking of going on the CAMS riding on Sunday since this doesn't look like it's panning out... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: WantA ZX6 [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 05, 1997 3:01 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Riding??????????? > > So has anyone come up with a plan for tomorrow? Ive seen that its > just > supposed to be a little chilly....nothing some warm clothes cant > handle. > Lets get on this. > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 17:30:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22972; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23375; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqmail.usda.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02371; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from x400@localhost) by hqmail.usda.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA09644 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:29:53 -0500 (EST) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-MTS-Identifier: [/P=GOV+USDA/A=ATTMAIL/C=US/;348881D7.CBAE.003F.000] Content-Identifier: RE: VFR exhaust Expiry-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 0:00:00 -0500 UA-Content-Id: RE: VFR exhaust Autoforwarded: FALSE Priority: Normal Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Personal Received: by ATTMAIL; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 7:31:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 7:31:00 -0500 From: Robert B Vance Subject: RE: VFR exhaust notes -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (Receipt Notification Requested) Message-Id: <348881D7.CBAE.003F.000@MHS> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME Yeeee-ouch!! 'bout time to call P & F Cycle Salvage - 302/674-4990, they've found me everything that I've needed (....except general peace of mind!) Bob >>> aki.damme@XXXXXX@i 12/04/97 04:53pm >>> eeeeeyyyyAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! that's it...if I get any holes..it's a trip to Trak and a roll of muffler tape for $2.95... -aki > The dealer price on a stock exhaust system for the 94+ VFR750 is (are you > sitting down?) $1,467. You could buy 3 competitors systems for that much. > Justin > > On Thursday, December 04, 1997 14:36 PM, aki.damme@XXXXXX > [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] wrote: > > (snip) > > ..I have no idea how much Honda would charge for a factory > > replacement, but if I have to replace my pipes, I'll definately > > stick with the factory version.. > > > > > > cheers, > > -aki > > > > Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 17:31:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23004; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23439; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqmail.usda.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02395; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from x400@localhost) by hqmail.usda.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA09981 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:31:19 -0500 (EST) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-MTS-Identifier: [/P=GOV+USDA/A=ATTMAIL/C=US/;34888243.CBAE.0047.000] Content-Identifier: trailers? -Reply Expiry-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 0:00:00 -0500 UA-Content-Id: trailers? -Reply Autoforwarded: FALSE Priority: Normal Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Personal Received: by ATTMAIL; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 7:35:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 7:35:00 -0500 From: Robert B Vance Subject: trailers? -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (Receipt Notification Requested) Message-Id: <34888243.CBAE.0047.000@MHS> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME Rather than a trailer, why don't you try one of those front wheel hook-ups to your rear bumper, disengage the drive-shaft (chain) and let the rear wheel free-wheel to Tuscon? I havn't heard from them for a few years but I suspect they're still around. Bob >>> dipaula@XXXXXX@i 12/04/97 07:10pm >>> i'm planning to move to tucson, arizona next year... does anyone know of a u-haul type place that had bike trailers for rent one-way? or, if not, does anyone know of a bike trailer for sale cheap? doesn't have to be top--of-the- line, i only expect to have to use it this once... the other thing is, i have to figure how to attach it to the back of my (pastic-bumper) civic... -D- "White has an insurmountable advantage in chess and should be able to win every game. I have discovered a marvelous proof of this, which this .signature is too small to contain." My 1989 Honda CB-1 (CB400F) is *SOLD*! My 1989 Honda CRX Si is for sale, email me if interested. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 17:36:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23193; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23802; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02566; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:36:21 -0500 (EST) From: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA10942 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:35:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv1-23.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.55) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010904; Fri Dec 5 16:35:15 1997 Message-ID: <3488A8B4.6BCD@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 17:21:56 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Toy Run on Sunday 12/7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, anybody have the scoop on the Toy Run on Sunday, location times etc. It may be at East Coast HD , but I am not even sure of that.... Also if anyone is riding NW tomorrow, let me know, I can try and get a sitter if a Saturday ride is planned. Ken From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 18:33:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24952; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26026; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04164; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02807; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:33:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07861; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:33:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712052333.SAA07861@clark.net> Subject: Re: The Toy Run on Sunday 12/7 To: shephar1@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:33:13 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <3488A8B4.6BCD@ix.netcom.com> from "shephar1@ix.netcom.com" at Dec 5, 97 05:21:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Hey guys, anybody have the scoop on the Toy Run on Sunday, location > times etc. It may be at East Coast HD , but I am not even sure of > that.... I don't know about the one you are talking about, but the once from Cycle Sports (Springfield/Herndon) is Saturday at 10:30 am. > Also if anyone is riding NW tomorrow, let me know, I can try and get a > sitter if a Saturday ride is planned. > > Ken Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 19:08:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25783; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26778; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:08:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04901; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.30.47.71] (ip71.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.71]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17194 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:08:46 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA34648B8D82@xcgva001.grumman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:08:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: RE: trailers? >Also, if you call 1-800-hitch-it, you can order draw-tite hitches >I *think* (be sure to check), that even a CRX should not have a problem >pulling a bike. I have an Acura Integra GSR, and it'll *really* haul a trailer. Don't ask. =:o As far as the wiring: the Integra has a trailer hookup built into the wiring harness at the rear left turnsignal. The interior has a small access panel for changing the bulbs: look under it. Trash Auto prolly has a pre-wired hookup which will plug directly into the existing connector. >Some folks have had success with flat bed trailers from Home Depot and >Hechinger. These also should work, but for the most security, I would >go with a bike trailer. I have one, and use it to haul 2 racebikes. They work quite well with the addition of wheel chocks for the front wheel of the MC. Word of advice: don't get the folding trailers, they are flimsy, and have small wheels. If you have a choice of trailers, choose the one with the larger wheels: they tow better, and usually have more weight capacity. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 19:32:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26363; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27749; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05313; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (spg-tnt7s135.erols.com [207.172.37.135]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12840 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:32:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971205193724.00ba1944@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 19:37:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: ridin tomorrow and sunday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OK, Since no one has said anything SOLID yet..I suppose I could force myself to go riding tomorrow :) How bout this: Meet at the famed BK in Sterling (near 7 & 28 for those that didn't come before) and I lead us on a "flexible" route. By flexible, I mean the route I have in mind zigzags north and south between the MD line and 50 without going much farther west than Purcelleville. All in all it has the potential to exceed 200 miles...but it also leaves the option of ending sooner since it zigzags through some of the same towns. So whadda ya think? hmmm..maybe I could talk John Koh outa one of his toys!!! he eh he Also, I'm considering the CAMS ride on Sunday too. Any non CAMS that need the info, let me know...Jack?.... Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 19:45:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26618; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27930; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:44:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05448; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.30.47.71] (ip71.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.71]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04844 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:44:33 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6fbc68d8.348833d2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:44:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: VFR exhaust notes/Porche story I had a Kerker K series on my 83 Sabre, and it sounded like an unmuffled >turbo Porche. > >Richard Wood So, that would be good, right? One of my neighboors where I grew up (mid 70s) was a factory mechanic for a Porche endurance racing team. He had a crazy souped up Carrerra, and was out racing with a friend on the Beltway around 2 or 3 in the AM. A cop started to close on him from the rear after pulling his friend over, and Mr. S thought it was his friend, so he downshifted and floored it. When he let out of it, he saw the lights in the rear-view, but this time they were flashing red and blue. He pulled over, and waited for the cop to show up. The cop turns off his car, gets out and starts screaming blue murder at Mr. S. The conversation goes somthing like this: Cop: IRRESPONSIBLE.. yadda yadda DANGEROUS... yadda Mr S: Excuse me, sir... Cop: SHUT UP BOY! Mr S: You should really start your car up.... Cop: I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU TO SHUT UP! Car: squeeeeeeek CLINK. The cop had been chasing Mr. S. for about 10 minutes, at WFO, and when he stopped and turned his car off, the heat had no place to go because the coolant quit moving. The block literally split open. Anyway, the cop calms down a bit, and asks how fast Mr. S. had been going. Mr. S's car was grey-market and the speedo only read in KPH. He answered 270 KPH. The cop radioed the station house for a conversion, and it was off their conversion chart. In a fit of cleverness uncharacteristic of most cops I've had any experience with, they divided 270 by half, and multiplied the resulting MPH by 2. (167 mph for the curious) Upon finding out how fast the cop had been going to catch Mr. S. read him the riot act! Mr. S. got off with 'Speed Greater Than Reasonable' - a $50/1 point ticket! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 20:44:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28008; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28853; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06196; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.64.138]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA3387; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:43:51 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: ridin tomorrow and sunday Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:41:01 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971206014350.AAA3387@default> Collin-- It seems most everybody is waiting for someone else to take charge. I'm just doing CAMS Sunday. Never been with them before. I can only manage one ride this weekend, and I picked cams 'cause it looked like dc-cycles was staying home. Hope to see ya there. later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 21:00:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28419; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29154; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06333; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:00:26 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <9038164d.3488afa7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:51:33 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: War horse memories. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Rich, I'm just kidding, keep them coming! :-) Horkster >> Carefull, mate, you voiced only one opinion out of about 150. 26 years of riding, nearly dying (sp?) numerous times, crashing my brains out until gray stuff stopped coming out of my ears and working at multi-franchised motorcycle dealers (and the attached moped, chain saw, lawn-mower, weed whacker, snow- thrower {thank you mr. rich dealer principal}). BTW, I own most of the afore- mentioned products. But being a purist, always in search of "perfect world", looking up parts for 20 year old lawn mowers was not what I felt my life's mission was. I would like to see more real-life experiences from this group to entertain (educate) the others. I learn new things everyday; not like 20 years ago, when I thought I knew it all. Richard Wood with age comes, hopefully, wisdom, if not just experience From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 21:11:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28743; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29328; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06421; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:11:25 -0500 (EST) From: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA12667 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:10:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv7-12.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.140) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012661; Fri Dec 5 20:10:33 1997 Message-ID: <3488DB28.7A7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 20:57:12 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ridin tomorrow and sunday References: <3.0.1.32.19971205193724.00ba1944@mail.geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > OK, > Since no one has said anything SOLID yet..I suppose I could force myself to > go riding tomorrow :) > How bout this: > Meet at the famed BK in Sterling (near 7 & 28 for those that didn't come > before) and I lead us on a "flexible" route. > By flexible, I mean the route I have in mind zigzags north and south > between the MD line and 50 without going much farther west than > Purcelleville. All in all it has the potential to exceed 200 miles...but > it also leaves the option of ending sooner since it zigzags through some of > the same towns. > > So whadda ya think? > > hmmm..maybe I could talk John Koh outa one of his toys!!! he eh he > > Also, I'm considering the CAMS ride on Sunday too. Any non CAMS that need > the info, let me know...Jack?.... > Would liek to make the ride, but will need to get a sitter, wife works this weekend. Any idea when you r going to meet at Rt 7 and 28, thats about 1 hour from my place, just west of Summit Point.. Ken From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 5 23:29:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01730; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01551; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08345; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (spg-tnt7s135.erols.com [207.172.37.135]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02348; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:30:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971205233218.00ba1b0c@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 23:32:18 -0500 To: shephar1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re[2]: ridin tomorrow and sunday In-Reply-To: <3488DB28.7A7@ix.netcom.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19971205193724.00ba1944@mail.geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, it doesn't appear that anyones going to be able to materialize on Saturday...other than maybe three of us...I guess the best thing to do is to just hold off till the CAMS ride on Sunday. For those that don't get the CAMS messages, the ride is as follows: >let's shoot for a ride on sunday. it'll be a shorter ride (~125 mi) so >we can start a little later than usual and still get back before it gets >dark. meet at the fairfax silver diner (west ox road near fair oaks >mall; let me know if you need better directions) at 0900 for bfast and >plan on leaving at 1000. we may even get fritz to recount the 'date of >the century'. For Kevin: The easiest way for you to get to the diner is to come down to 66 west and take the 50 exit to fair oaks mall. Then (about 3/4 mile) take the west ox road (south) exit. The diner is about 3 (maybe 4?) lights down on the left. See ya'll there.... Looks like I'll be playing Subspace all day tomorrow :) (way cool internet only game...free too) CT _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 00:09:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03045; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03022; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08873; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27620; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:09:01 -0500 (EST) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ridin tomorrow and sunday Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 05:10:31 GMT Message-ID: <3489ddfb.11654805@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19971205193724.00ba1944@mail.geocities.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971205193724.00ba1944@mail.geocities.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 05 Dec 1997 19:37:24 -0500, you wrote: >OK, >Since no one has said anything SOLID yet..I suppose I could force myself= to >go riding tomorrow :) >How bout this: >Meet at the famed BK in Sterling (near 7 & 28 for those that didn't come >before) and I lead us on a "flexible" route. >By flexible, I mean the route I have in mind zigzags north and south >between the MD line and 50 without going much farther west than >Purcelleville. All in all it has the potential to exceed 200 = miles...but >it also leaves the option of ending sooner since it zigzags through some= of >the same towns. Collin, Still planning on riding tomorrow? I can't resist a ride that starts at the Burger King!! Let me know the time.... Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 00:09:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03050; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03030; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08877; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27625; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:09:11 -0500 (EST) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ridin tomorrow and sunday Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 05:10:49 GMT Message-ID: <348ade56.11745638@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19971205193724.00ba1944@mail.geocities.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971205193724.00ba1944@mail.geocities.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 05 Dec 1997 19:37:24 -0500, you wrote: >OK, >Since no one has said anything SOLID yet..I suppose I could force myself= to >go riding tomorrow :) >How bout this: >Meet at the famed BK in Sterling (near 7 & 28 for those that didn't come >before) and I lead us on a "flexible" route. >By flexible, I mean the route I have in mind zigzags north and south >between the MD line and 50 without going much farther west than >Purcelleville. All in all it has the potential to exceed 200 = miles...but >it also leaves the option of ending sooner since it zigzags through some= of >the same towns. Collin, Still planning on riding tomorrow? I can't resist a ride that starts at the Burger King!! Let me know the time.... Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 08:49:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12190; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12073; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13135; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by ENTERPRISE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:48:28 -0500 Message-ID: <61390AC07B6BD111AC6F006008A5911041D9@ENTERPRISE> From: Scooter Kight To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Battley's Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:48:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/html
If anyone is interested, Battleys cycle is having an open house today.  I was over there the other night learning how to do valve adjustments on a 2v Ducati.. amazingly simple but you need to see it once.  But they said there will be "Tricked out bikes, and beer" there today :>
 
Tricked out bikes, and beer.. hmm.. Sounds like a good time2#$@#@@@ :>
 
Scot
 
From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 08:53:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12300; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12171; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13165; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:53:39 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:51:52 EST To: garicao@XXXXXX, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gasket install tips, anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) ..I assume that I need a new gasket, or > at least to retorque the > head, > > > The hardest part is guessing how much to tighten an exposed, corroded > nut. I generally remove (sometimes replace) it and add thread lubricant. > My success rate with this approach is around 50%, but I may be too > cautious about overtightening. Anybody have relevant experience? > > --garcia > > Usually cylinder heads nuts need to be torqued to specifications in a particular order. Could removing and replacing one nut, without removing and replacing all of the nuts, risk a cracked head down the road? Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 09:01:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12438; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12321; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13203; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:01:01 -0500 (EST) From: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA21879; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 07:59:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv3-57.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.121) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021869; Sat Dec 6 07:59:43 1997 Message-ID: <3489814D.65E9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 08:46:05 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ridin tomorrow and sunday References: <3.0.1.32.19971205193724.00ba1944@mail.geocities.com> <3489ddfb.11654805@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > >Meet at the famed BK in Sterling (near 7 & 28 for those that didn't come > >before) and I lead us on a "flexible" route. > >By flexible, I mean the route I have in mind zigzags north and south > >between the MD line and 50 without going much farther west than > >Purcelleville. All in all it has the potential to exceed 200 miles...but > Still planning on riding tomorrow? I can't resist a ride that starts > at the Burger King!! Let me know the time.... > > Anita Anita, evryone, I have a sitter for late this morningm, early thisafternoon, , gotta be home by 5, So I am on for any riding. have to Stop by Frederick HD anyway, so Ill go on a roundabout trip. I expect to Be at Burger King at RT 7 and Rt 28 between 1100 and 1115. Will be on a 1200 Sportster, red/violet. and that will be a good place to warm up... Hope to see someone there. Will leave the email on until I leave here at 1000. Ken From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 09:12:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12679; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12566; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13280; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:12:35 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:07:53 EST To: rjohns3@XXXXXX, garicao@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gasket install tips, anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 97-12-05 09:28:22 EST, rjohns3@XXXXXX writes: > Lubricating a bolt can decrease the torque rating as measured in foot pounds > between 26 - 55% depending on the type of lubricant used. What does a torque rating mean? Is it how high a torque the bolt will take? Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 12:41:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16937; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15823; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15815; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:41:21 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <8c6bdd51.34898e06@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:40:19 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Someone hook me up with info on the Sunday ride since it looks like I will be riding solo here on Saturday.....thanks. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 14:43:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19972; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17595; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:43:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17929; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00761 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:43:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00657 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:43:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712061943.OAA00657@clark.net> Subject: morTOYcycle Run To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:43:02 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We just finished the Toy Run from Cycle Sports to the Salvation Army. The police sure were keeping a close eye on us. The group from Springfield went up 395. We were being paced by a Virginia State Trooper. We stayed 55-60 mph the whole way up. Then we went to the Washington Monument parking lot to wait for the Herndon group. We had parked by the side so we wouldn't take up all the space (since there are very few parking spaces. The park police was there within 30 seconds and told us to move. Fine, so we took up about 4 car parking spaces and pissed of a couple of cagers who though they would get them. So sorry. When the Herndon group showed up, we went to the Toyland to drop off our gifts for children. As they were serving us a buffet lunch, they said a cameraman from News 4 was going to stop by. Everyone stayed, and an hour later, we put on our helmets, gloves, etc, took back our gifts, and again stood by our bikes, walked in (shaking hands with the guy who was in charge) and presenting them with the gifts. Deja Vu! :-) We may be on News 4 at 6 pm. (vcr's set!) Hope every one got to ride today! It may have been nippy, but it was nice out. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 17:46:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25726; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:46:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20704; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04663; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02785; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from BERGIE.PARAGON ([207.152.132.67]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26941; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:46:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712062246.RAA26941@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "WantA ZX6" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Sunday ride Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 16:38:46 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to go too.. keep me posted... Berg/zx11 ---------- > From: WantA ZX6 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Sunday ride > Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 12:40 PM > > Someone hook me up with info on the Sunday ride since it looks like I will be > riding solo here on Saturday.....thanks. > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 18:09:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26208; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 18:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21169; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 18:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05009; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 18:08:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA31016; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 18:08:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.222]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA15118; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 23:07:51 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Bergie Frazier Jr" , "WantA ZX6" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Sunday ride Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 18:05:00 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971206230750.AAA15118@default> Y'all-- Here's what I have on the sunday ride. I don't know the destination, and I can't help with directions to the ride beyond these from Collin. I'll be there, and so will Jeannette and Jamie. I don't know who else. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. Collin's message read:>>> Well, it doesn't appear that anyones going to be able to materialize on Saturday...other than maybe three of us...I guess the best thing to do is to just hold off till the CAMS ride on Sunday. For those that don't get the CAMS messages, the ride is as follows: >let's shoot for a ride on sunday. it'll be a shorter ride (~125 mi) so >we can start a little later than usual and still get back before it gets >dark. meet at the fairfax silver diner (west ox road near fair oaks >mall; let me know if you need better directions) at 0900 for bfast and >plan on leaving at 1000. we may even get fritz to recount the 'date of >the century'. For Kevin: The easiest way for you to get to the diner is to come down to 66 west and take the 50 exit to fair oaks mall. Then (about 3/4 mile) take the west ox road (south) exit. The diner is about 3 (maybe 4?) lights down on the left. See ya'll there.... Looks like I'll be playing Subspace all day tomorrow :) (way cool internet only game...free too) CT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 19:15:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27828; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 19:15:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22264; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 19:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05925; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 19:15:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (spg-as85s20.erols.com [207.172.53.20]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04550; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 19:19:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971206192013.00b43774@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 19:20:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: ride sunday Cc: WeinsteJ@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For those of you that have never been out to the CAMS events (if you could call them that :) you're missing out. It's a real laid backl group that likes to ride and eat...not necessarily in that order... For the most part, rides are out west in Loudon county and beyond, but occasionally we head up into MD, and annually the esteemed doctor heads up an "Around the World" tour which hits numerous states and a lot of towns with international names (i.e. paris, vienna, etc.). If you're coming from pretty much anywhere East of Fair oaks mall, 66 to the 50 exit is the best bet, rather than coming 50 all the way out. (the 50 exit is right around 10 miles from the intersection of 495/66). IF you're coming from North and West (Anita, Mike J.) just head down Drainesville road. It turns into West Ox. Hope to see a lot of ya'll there tomorrow....maybe we'll surprise John W. with a lot of new faces... Take Care Collin >From: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" > >yes virginia (and maryland), there is a cams. > >non-club mail has been sparce lately but we're still up and running. >this is a very busy time of year for me, what with trying to figure out >what gifts to buy for all those nuclear weapons. also, our system has >been down. in fact, i announced a ride for the sunday after xgiving but >the msg never got out. no big deal since it rained anyway. > >let's shoot for a ride on sunday. it'll be a shorter ride (~125 mi) so >we can start a little later than usual and still get back before it gets >dark. meet at the fairfax silver diner (west ox road near fair oaks >mall; let me know if you need better directions) at 0900 for bfast and >plan on leaving at 1000. we may even get fritz to recount the 'date of >the century'. > >some other good news: sash, one of the original cams, is returning. he >actually found a job through his teary-eyed request to the cams. >imagine that: this list has actually had some positive benefit! > >and on the subject of our annual xmas party....i can't believe a few of >you even asked about it before april. anyone want to offer a site for >the debauched festivities? i'd offer motorcycle central but it'd get >crowded after the first 3 guest. > >hope to see you sunday. > >john > > > _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 20:38:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01100; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23522; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09033; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA28603 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:37:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <348A2866.3A22@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 20:39:02 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Moto Racer GP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang, Earlier this week I downloaded a real neat (demo) game called Moto Racer GP. It gives you the option of track or dirt and if you have a sufficently fast computer (Win 95), this is an awesome game! I also went to and found something that might be compatible with the demo ;^) Here's the URL for this 17+MB badboy: JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 21:12:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01773; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 21:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24078; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 21:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09509; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 21:12:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.143]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA9473; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 02:11:29 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: Honkin' Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 21:04:35 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971207021121.AAA9473@default> Hey, y'all-- I was going to start this message on another topic, but here's the important news: I won the 0-700cc class in Battley Cycles Horsepower Shootout today!!! My 87 VFR700 made 77.1 corrected hp on the Dynojet. WOOHOO! It's stone stock except a K&N filter and the snorkel removed from the airbox, and has 30,000 miles. So, obviously, there were no late-model 600 sportbikes present. Gotta take victory where you can find it.... That gets me to my original subject. I pulled the snorkel off yesterday. It's a rubber rectangular tube, bifurcated vertically, about 3.5 inches long and 2x3 inches square, bent about 75 degrees down, picking up air in front of my gas tank. It's primary purpose, I'd think, is silencing the intake air. It even had some foam strips in the roof, probably to kill a resonance. It came out easily, just squeeze, wiggle and pull. I don't know if I'm making any more power without it, but it _sounds_ about 20hp stronger. What a glorious honk! At lower rpm or smaller throttle openings, you can still hear the lovely gear whine from the cams, but the intake noise eventually muffles it. Now I've gotta put the Supertrapps on and jet it. I'll sound like my own NASCAR race! Awesome!!! I think God rides a VFR..... Later Kevin PS--I also took off the Heli Bars. I think the stockers fit my riding style better. The Helis are yours for $110 obo. ($225 new) They fit 86-87 VFRs. I can call Heli and see if they will go on anything else. PPS--note to self: after changing brake fluid, be sure there isn't any on the edges of the tire tread. Slid 3 feet to the right going thru the first sweeper on Shady Grove Rd heading toward Battley at 70+ mph. He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 6 22:32:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA03566; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 22:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25266; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 22:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10422; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 22:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA29878 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 22:32:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <348A432C.1503@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 22:33:16 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Wheel Chocks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Someone mentioned something about wheel chocks (I'm on digest btw..) and if anyone is interested, I have two wheel chocks sitting around. These are heavy rubber and were left (inexplicably) in front of my house. Probably for aircraft, but seem useful for motorcycles too - for those transporting any in the near future. Yours free if anyone wants them.. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 7 00:45:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06778; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 00:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28010; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 00:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11845; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 00:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.52]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA23560; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 05:44:22 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "John C. Kozyn" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Wheel Chocks Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 00:41:33 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971207054421.AAA23560@default> John-- I'd love some wheel chocks. Thanks! Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 7 15:15:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01665; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00549; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03065; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01393; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from BERGIE.PARAGON ([207.152.132.67]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05488 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:14:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712072014.PAA05488@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Sunday ride Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:12:43 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Obviously I didn't make it. I need more notice. It's sunday afternoon now and I'm just now getting the information. Next weekend I will plan a ride, and I will post the information a couple days in advance. Berg/ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 7 15:17:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01683; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00580; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03154; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.7.1/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA02327; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA06112; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:15:20 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA06109; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:15:20 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0301.63620220@XXXXXX>; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:15:13 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Problem with my Kaw 454 LTD Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:11:58 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 14 TEXT >Hi there. I'm new at riding and just bought a bike, a 1988 Kaw 454 LTD. >It's having a problem but before I take it to the shop, I thought maybe a >fellow rider would have some suggestions as to what's causing the problem. >Any info would help. Thanks! > >PROBLEM: Bike cuts off just as I'm releasing the clutch. >SCENARIO: the bike turns on OK, lights are on, plenty of gas in tank, engine >warms up nicely (even in this chilly weather), choke is working fine, oil >level is fine. It's time to go so I hop on, pull up the kick-stand, pull in >the clutch, and put it in 1st gear. As I begin to release the clutch the >bike cuts off immediately. There's no stuttering, no hesitation, no smoke. >The sucker is OFF like someone hit the kill switch. > >Any suggestions? - - Ursulina From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 7 16:46:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02880; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 16:46:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01152; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 16:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05176; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 16:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.134] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id AD04A450150; Sun Dec 07 15:54:28 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 16:44:30 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD032F.63999E00.jywon@imisys.com> From: Justin Won Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'Caron Rose'" , "JinnSinn@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: French Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 16:44:28 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...scrittore di pensieri spuntati... Based on my Spanish, I'd guess it's something like "writer of spontaneuos thoughts". Justin On Friday, December 05, 1997 14:48 PM, Caron Rose [SMTP:crose@XXXXXX] wrote: > > well first of all, it's Italian and it says something (I'm guessing based > on latin roots I learned in French) about writing of thoughts on > something???? > > In a message dated 12/5/97 1:37:20 PM, RDWOODJR@XXXXXX wrote: > > << Kirk > scrittore di pensieri spuntati > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > Hmmm I thought maybe it was something about ice cream... or > liquor... > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 7 17:37:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03850; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01755; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05824; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id RAA19353 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA03432 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.211]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971207223702.FQBJ32510@XXXXXX> for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 16:37:02 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:36:38 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0336.ABF947C0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Problem with my Kaw 454 LTD Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:36:36 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like the switch that kills the engine when the kickstand is down and you put it in gear is malfunctioning. The only way to confirm that would be to bypass the switch and then try it. Don't have a clue how you might do that, though. Someone else on the list is bound to have a good idea. Keep trying. Is this your first bike?? Did you take the MSF beginners class?? You will be subjected to lots of questions, but we're a good hearted group. Just trying to be helpful. Welcome to the list. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 1997 2:12 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Problem with my Kaw 454 LTD >Hi there. I'm new at riding and just bought a bike, a 1988 Kaw 454 LTD. >It's having a problem but before I take it to the shop, I thought maybe a >fellow rider would have some suggestions as to what's causing the problem. >Any info would help. Thanks! > >PROBLEM: Bike cuts off just as I'm releasing the clutch. >SCENARIO: the bike turns on OK, lights are on, plenty of gas in tank, engine >warms up nicely (even in this chilly weather), choke is working fine, oil >level is fine. It's time to go so I hop on, pull up the kick-stand, pull in >the clutch, and put it in 1st gear. As I begin to release the clutch the >bike cuts off immediately. There's no stuttering, no hesitation, no smoke. >The sucker is OFF like someone hit the kill switch. > >Any suggestions? - - Ursulina From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 7 17:46:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03942; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02092; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05937; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA29263 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:46:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <348B51C5.39DE@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 17:47:49 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Wheel Chocks Claimed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK y'all, Kevin Thomas claimed my aircraft type wheel chocks. Thanks for taking them off my hands Kev... Better bring the cage to pick 'em up though, might be too big and heavy for the tank bag. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 7 19:59:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05607; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03666; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:59:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cplkagan.globaleyes.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07936; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from parrothd.houselan.net (parrothd [192.168.1.14]) by cplkagan.globaleyes.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA02079; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:56:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971207185631.0083e370@midwest.net> X-Sender: parrothd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 18:56:31 -0600 To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , From: "Jonathan E. Lyons" Subject: Re: Honkin' In-Reply-To: <19971207021121.AAA9473@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, that's one of the coolest/strangest sounds!! If you decide to install the jet kit, do the air box modications, that sound gets even louder!! hehehe....... Later At 09:04 PM 12/6/97 -0500, kevin thomas wrote: >Hey, y'all-- > >I was going to start this message on another topic, but here's the >important news: I won the 0-700cc class in Battley Cycles Horsepower >Shootout today!!! My 87 VFR700 made 77.1 corrected hp on the Dynojet. >WOOHOO! It's stone stock except a K&N filter and the snorkel removed from >the airbox, and has 30,000 miles. > >So, obviously, there were no late-model 600 sportbikes present. Gotta take >victory where you can find it.... > >That gets me to my original subject. I pulled the snorkel off yesterday. >It's a rubber rectangular tube, bifurcated vertically, about 3.5 inches >long and 2x3 inches square, bent about 75 degrees down, picking up air in >front of my gas tank. It's primary purpose, I'd think, is silencing the >intake air. It even had some foam strips in the roof, probably to kill a >resonance. It came out easily, just squeeze, wiggle and pull. I don't >know if I'm making any more power without it, but it _sounds_ about 20hp >stronger. What a glorious honk! At lower rpm or smaller throttle >openings, you can still hear the lovely gear whine from the cams, but the >intake noise eventually muffles it. Now I've gotta put the Supertrapps on >and jet it. I'll sound like my own NASCAR race! Awesome!!! > >I think God rides a VFR..... > >Later >Kevin > >PS--I also took off the Heli Bars. I think the stockers fit my riding >style better. The Helis are yours for $110 obo. ($225 new) They fit 86-87 >VFRs. I can call Heli and see if they will go on anything else. > >PPS--note to self: after changing brake fluid, be sure there isn't any on >the edges of the tire tread. Slid 3 feet to the right going thru the first >sweeper on Shady Grove Rd heading toward Battley at 70+ mph. > >He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 08:42:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13917; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09048; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17703; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.138] (unverified [205.177.250.138]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 08 Dec 1997 08:45:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sat. Ride Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 08:42:01 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Leon Begeman" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Sounds like you need a trailer. Almost any sofa would fit just fine on >amost any trailer, even one small enough to tow behind a Kawasaki should be >able to handle a sofa. Actually, what I needed to do was borrow dad's truck:) But, my girlfriend did let us ride down to Morton's BMW this weekend, which was nice. >I've been informed that I will not be permitted to ride this weekend. >Labrador Retriever puppies for sale - they'll be 6 1/2 weeks old at >Christmas. AKC OFA etc certifications - I can deliver them on Christmas at >no extra charge - by motorcycle if you wish. Heh. We've got 9 mixed breeds (two different litters) we are trying to unload at the moment, and my brother already has his lab. The 90 lb. swimming monster. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 08:42:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13923; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09044; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17697; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.138] (unverified [205.177.250.138]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 08 Dec 1997 08:45:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Battley's Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 08:41:57 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Scooter Kight" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >
size=2>If >anyone is interested, Battleys cycle is having an open house today.  >I was >over there the other night learning how to do valve adjustments on a 2v >Ducati.. >amazingly simple but you need to see it once.  But they said there >will be >"Tricked out bikes, and beer" there today :>
Beer and motorcycles, what a responsible mix. Ranks right up there with disgusting HTML formatted email... Sorry, been to Battley's three times (bought a Belstaff jacket once, because I couldn't find one elsewhere at the time) and I ain't goin' back. Yes, 24 year olds DO buy BMWs. No need to walk away from me whilst in the middle of a conversation. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 08:42:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13929; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09060; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17711; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.138] (unverified [205.177.250.138]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 08 Dec 1997 08:45:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 08:42:15 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: cc: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Naw, NASCAR is cool. I figure it this way, if I have to take >the cage, it would be lots more fun if the thing had 750 Horsepower. Tempting offer, but I'll decline to share my comments on NASCAR. Hasn't been a technological revelation from that 'sport' in decades... Give me a nice race with one or two fuel-injected vehicles, or maybe an overhead came (or four:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 08:42:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13936; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09069; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17715; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.138] (unverified [205.177.250.138]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 08 Dec 1997 08:45:57 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rain Riding/Electric Wear Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 08:42:21 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >On the subject of electric vests, >the latest issue of _Rider_ has a comparo of electrical clothing. Based on that article (and a good sale, and my current shortage of funds:) my girlfriend allowed me to go out for a few hours on Saturday (sorry I couldn't join the ride) and buy her a BMW vest for her birthday. Short story: she loves it. Now she wants a Gerbring heated jacket with the glove hookups for Xmas (and for when it really gets cold:) -George (Gotta love a girl who wants motorcycle clothes for her birthday:) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 09:23:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14811; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09570; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18565; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA13512; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:23:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:22:42 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D36F2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: DC Cycles Subject: First Ticket Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:21:35 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Alas, I received my first ticket from Arlington County's finest today and it was a doozy: 45 in a 25... : ( - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 09:32:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15045; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09749; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18860; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA02517 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 06:32:20 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 06:32:20 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: First Ticket Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 06:32:31 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 8 TEXT >Alas, I received my first ticket from Arlington County's finest today >and it was a doozy: 45 in a 25... Was it for excessive speed or reckless driving - at 20MPH over it could go either way - if the cop was nice, it's for excessive speed. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 09:41:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15189; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09966; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:40:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19117; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA25616 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA01489 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:40:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971208144017.GHPO32510@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:40:17 -0600 Message-ID: <348C06D2.5BBA88BB@mci.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 09:40:18 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: joke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A man was riding his motorcycle home late at night- above the speed limit. He noticed a police car [with its lights whirling] in his rear view mirrors. He says to himself, "I can outrun this guy." He whacks the bike's throttle and the race is on. The bike and car are racing down the highway -- 70, 90,120 miles an hour. Finally, as his speedometer creeps past 135, the biker sighs aloud and gives up. He pulls over to the curb. The police officer gets out of his cruiser and approaches the biker. He says, "Listen, mister. I've had a really lousy day and I just want togo home. Give me a good excuse and I'll let you go." The man thought for a moment and said, "Three weeks ago, my wife ran off with a police officer. When I saw your cruiser in my rear view mirrors, I thought you were that officer and you were trying to give her back to me!" The officer let him go. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 10:21:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16020; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10901; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20330; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02) id A045503009E; Mon, 08 Dec 1997 10:20:37 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971208102029.009fc160@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 10:20:29 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Problem with my Kaw 454 LTD In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:11 AM 12/7/97 -0800, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: >>Hi there. I'm new at riding and just bought a bike, a 1988 Kaw 454 LTD. >>PROBLEM: Bike cuts off just as I'm releasing the clutch. >>SCENARIO: the bike turns on OK, lights are on, plenty of gas in tank, engine >>warms up nicely (even in this chilly weather), choke is working fine, oil >>level is fine. It's time to go so I hop on, pull up the kick-stand, pull in >>the clutch, and put it in 1st gear. As I begin to release the clutch the >>bike cuts off immediately. There's no stuttering, no hesitation, no smoke. >>The sucker is OFF like someone hit the kill switch. Could be one of the safety switches to keep you from riding off with your sidestand down. The ones I've seen will kill the engine as soon as it goes into gear, if the sidestand is down (or if the switch is not working correctly). Chris Norloff P.S. You might check the safety switch on the clutch lever, too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 10:47:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16531; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12691; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21082; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.30.47.65] (ip65.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.65]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03451; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:46:48 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:47:09 -0500 To: George Howell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: 4 Cylinders - Bandit 600 vs. 1200 vs. VFR >>Naw, NASCAR is cool. I figure it this way, if I have to take >>the cage, it would be lots more fun if the thing had 750 Horsepower. > >Tempting offer, but I'll decline to share my comments on NASCAR. Hasn't >been a technological revelation from that 'sport' in decades... Now that's not entirely true... they added those wing thingies at the back of the roof which flip up when the car SPINS OUT AT 180 MPH! They keep'm on the ground so the 2400 lb car doesn't launch into the bleachers. Gimme Formula 1 any day. Alain Prost was a hero. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 10:47:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16550; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12706; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21098; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA05019 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:46:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA00957 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971208153926.GRXP32510@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:39:26 -0600 Message-ID: <348C14AD.50D76882@mci.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 10:39:25 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Problem with my Kaw 454 LTD References: <3.0.1.32.19971208102029.009fc160@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If either of these switches gets dirty they will stick in place, it would also cause these problems. A good cleaning and liberal use of WD-40 might just solve the problem - until they get dirty again. Dale (The Horkster) > At 11:11 AM 12/7/97 -0800, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > >>Hi there. I'm new at riding and just bought a bike, a 1988 Kaw 454 LTD. > > >>PROBLEM: Bike cuts off just as I'm releasing the clutch. > >>SCENARIO: the bike turns on OK, lights are on, plenty of gas in tank, engine > >>warms up nicely (even in this chilly weather), choke is working fine, oil > >>level is fine. It's time to go so I hop on, pull up the kick-stand, pull in > >>the clutch, and put it in 1st gear. As I begin to release the clutch the > >>bike cuts off immediately. There's no stuttering, no hesitation, no smoke. > >>The sucker is OFF like someone hit the kill switch. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 12:09:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19344; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15808; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24857; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA02013 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:08:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA08063 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:08:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971208161600.GYIK32510@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:16:00 -0600 Message-ID: <348C1D3D.2F8ECF8A@mci.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 11:15:57 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: winter glove sale, notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I wanted to let everyone know that I was in Coleman Poser Sport in Woodbridge, VA this Saturday. They had a bunch of styles of heavy winter gloves for sale really cheap ~$20. I snagged a set of real heavy Olympia One Finger mittens at that price, and my hands and fingers are thanking me. The gloves I bought aren't all leather, they have this suede-like leather palm which doesn't grab quite as well as my other gauntlets, but they ARE warm. Trust me, I tried to get my hands cold after I bought them! If your hands are cold in this weather, it might be worth it to check them out. Also, I got a little "breeze buster" chin insert thingie for the full face lid while I was there for another $8-something. It catches my nose when I put on or remove my helmet, but once it's on, boy what a difference. The cold air that always catches my chin and mouth area from underneath is now totally gone. The helmet is a lot quieter now, as well. Bonus! However, I've noticed that my eyeglasses fog just a little faster now (no place for that warm air to go). Oh well. My LTD odometer is at 29,424 miles right now. I want to crack 30k before the bike turns 20 years old. (Editor's note: I bought the bike a year ago in November with about 23k on it. Not bad for my first year of riding ;-) -It's funny how I haven't felt like a newbie in a long time. I figure if I ride to work everyday the rest of the year, I'll just squeak by, but a nice ride next weekend will definitely help matters. I hope it's nice. I plan on switching to synthetic oils at 30k, and then changing oil 5000 mile intervals after that. Dale (the Horkster) `The Horkster’, aka Dale Horstman dale.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1987 Suzuki Savage 650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 13:24:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21126; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16832; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27693; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA24282 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:23:44 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma024193; Mon, 8 Dec 97 13:23:17 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA29922 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881604469; Mon, 08 Dec 97 13:20:24 -0500 Message-Id: <9712088816.AA881604469@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 97 13:06:40 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Friday Ride... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings all... Well, I did go on a ride on Friday - left my home at about 7:30am and hit the beltway.... my gawd, I'm so glad I don't do that daily.. I think I'd go insane. Anyway, beltway around to 193 west, to 7west, to 28 south - no clue what the names/routes of the next roads were/are - but we seem to hit them a lot (Waxpool, Ryan, something else). I eventually got on 15 south and caught up with 211 in there somewhere. I stopped at the base of Thortons Gap at 9:30am to have breakfast and talk with the locals. Then up and over the mountain into Lurray - 340 south to 33. 33 west - and I must say that this is an awesome road. The first part was straight (painfully so) but pretty. I bet it's great in the summer, but then you come onto a pass, and the road gets tight and slow.. I loved it. At the top, I entered into WVa and suddenly the road was covered with pea-gravel and salt.. oh, not to mention the start of snow flurries. Well, I took it easy going down and got onto a rather flat, but moderately twisty part again.. Bits of elevation change mixed with high-speed corners (probably peg-scraping at 180, just fun at 80) made for a quick pace - until I reached another pass - again, gravel - salt and snow flurries. Well, all along 33, the road was the same - and the further I went, the more salt and snow I encountered. I eventually came to the crossroads of 250 and 33 - I was going to take 250 south and make for a longer trip, but it was almost 2pm, I was cold and it was snowing like I'm used to (Wyoming raised). The looks the hunters were giving me were great - I even had one guy stop in the middle of the road and get out to watch my ride on down the road. I followed whatever road (I forgot which one I took, 29 maybe?) north from 33 till I hit Mt. Storm - from there it was east on 50. I lost light just about Winchester - and was just riding to make time from there on (80-90 mph on 50 and 7). I ended up turning about 400 miles, pulling about 12 hours that day - and wishing I had heated gloves if nothing else (though the CD player was great and did a wonderful job - NO complaints). This will be a great summer trip, when you don't freeze, there's less gravel and no salt to clean off at the end of the day (supprised I didn't encounter any dear, my bike was a virtual salt-lick!). I'm now about 900 miles from my 30K mile goal (30K by 1-1-98) - 300 mile weekends will put me right there - so, where we going this weekend? Ride safe, Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 14:13:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22295; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17450; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:12:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29738; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Dec 1997 14:07:21 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 14:12:05 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday Trip Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Friday Trip Brian, Sounds like you covered some good roads. So, how did you set up your speakers so that wind noise didn't intrude? I have a set of helmet speakers. The best I can do is to use ear plugs (to eliminate the sound of the wind) and then crank the stereo, but the sound is slightly muffled. Thanks for the tips, Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ended up turning about 400 miles, pulling about 12 hours that day - and wishing I had heated gloves if nothing else (though the CD player was great and did a wonderful job - NO complaints). <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 18:57:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27990; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:57:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25271; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:56:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08673; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:56:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id SAA17562; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA07589; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:55:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.35.65.146]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971208235546.JAEX32510@[166.35.65.146]>; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:55:46 -0600 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:39 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: First Ticket X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971208235546.JAEX32510@[166.35.65.146]> On Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:21:35 Jeannette O'Brien wrote: >Alas, I received my first ticket from Arlington County's finest today >and it was a doozy: 45 in a 25... > >: ( Had you been riding with us on SUNDAY like you were supposed to, you would've worked all that need for speed out earlier :-p Oh, well....welcome to motorcycling. Did he/she cite you for reckless, or did you get away with a simple speeding? Sorry to hear about it, and show up next time...hmm? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 8 21:34:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00044; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26770; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11644; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-144.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.144]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA20273 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:34:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971208213436.006a08f4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:34:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Battley's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I made two trips to Battley's this weekend. On Saturday, I took my 2.5 year old son to their open house where we both were well-treated. While there, I inquired about a second heated vest for a friend, which was being sold at 10% off. Since she wasn't with me, I deferred the purchase. However, Sunday I took her riding (she-wearing my vest, me-cold) back to Battleys (open 11-3!!), where she found one that fit well. When I brought up Saturday's price, they very nicely extended the discount to me. We spent the rest of the afternoon toasty and happy. I've never been a great fan of Battley's, but I'm starting to warm up to them. Everyone deserves a second chance. They'll never be the BMW shop that Bob's is, but they are decent folks. Besides, it sure is fun to see all those exotic bikes in a clothing boutique. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (http://www.missingkids.com) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 08:06:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06401; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06673; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19236; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:02:52 -0500 Message-ID: <223C8D3401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 8:02:18 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Battley's Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway This is typical of them. Usually during their "open house" days, they'll carry over the discount...if you ask. I would've loved to have been there when King Hussein and Queen Noor were buying their fleet of Harleys (yes, even they had to wait for 'em) Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 08:28:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06601; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06768; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19417; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:28:16 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <61c86280.348d4728@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:27:02 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Problem with my Kaw 454 LTD Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In response to Ursalina, Linda: << Sounds like the switch that kills the engine when the kickstand is down and you put it in gear is malfunctioning. The only way to confirm that would be to bypass the switch and then try it. Don't have a clue how you might do that, though. Someone else on the list is bound to have a good idea. Keep trying. Is this your first bike?? Did you take the MSF beginners class?? You will be subjected to lots of questions, but we're a good hearted group. Just trying to be helpful. Welcome to the list. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze >> Yes, that is a common occurance with Kawasaki's. It must be the side stand switch. (read idiot avoidance switch). I myself enjoyed making a left-hand turn on Rt50 after leaving work at (the now defunct) Cycles Fairfax 10 years ago on my GL1200 Gold Wing. The rubber "feeler" did not kick the stand up, and I got excited changing my "line" in mid curve at a busy intersection on 1100pounds of rider and motorcycle. So much for idiot avoidance. At least I didn't die that time. I've only got three lives left, so I'm a bit more carefull on ladders now. Richard Wood By the way! How come when I joins the list, Squeakers (very silent recently) puts me, a self-professed (who else is going to sing my praises?) un-newbie, 20+ years in the motorcycle busness, iron-butt (wait, let me check, *squeeze*, er, gotta start werkin out again), long rider; gets the GRUELING TEST OF FIRE routine? And this individual gets a hug? Must be that wimmen stuff. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 08:42:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06780; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06831; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19571; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:42:03 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <51eeb984.348d4a8c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:41:30 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: joke Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Damn, Horkster, as dry as my skin is this time of year, and just getting out of a hot shower, yer making me laff with my second (no, wait, third) favorite sport; humor. Now the crow's feet and the laugh lines are more pronounced in my face. Time for the anti-aging cream. << Three weeks ago, my wife ran off with a police officer. When I saw your cruiser in my rear view mirrors, I thought you were that officer and you were trying to give her back to me!" The officer let him go. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 08:59:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07072; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06938; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19889; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:59:41 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <26c41e88.348d4e85@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:58:26 EST To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: winter glove sale, notes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << I plan on switching to synthetic oils at 30k, and then changing oil 5000 mile intervals after that. Dale (the Horkster) >> Get another opinion (other than mine) on synthetic oil at 30,000 miles. I have seen, heard, and read that engine oil seals accustomed to petroleum-based oils on *high* (not really, but approaching) mileage motors may leak when switching to more slippery synthetics. Quite often, the counter shaft sprocket seal is first. I do personally use synthetics in nearly all my gasoline engines (not the rotor tiller, but yes, the tractor and lawn mower), however. But usually switch to synthetic oils between 4000-10000 miles. (NO Leon, I don't have 10,000 miles on my tractor!) Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 09:31:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07506; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07168; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20483; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA00706 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:30:31 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma000686; Tue, 9 Dec 97 09:30:19 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id JAA19272 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881677643; Tue, 09 Dec 97 09:27:25 -0500 Message-Id: <9712098816.AA881677643@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 97 07:52:39 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Huh - I don't get it.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's this s%!& falling from the sky? Kinda ruins my commute to work - I'll ride in it if I'm out, but I don't think I'm going to jump on the bike to go out and ride in it (I did enough snow riding on Friday in WV). I know some of you are die-hards - hope you're getting a kick out of the expressions on cagers faces.... Humbled, Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 09:48:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07747; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07422; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21086; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA20222; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D3727@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Huh - I don't get it.. Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:43:43 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I didn't ride, although once I was in the cage & realized that the ground was only wet I wished I'd had...although I think purchasing a new back tire would be smart before doing any more wet-weather riding... : ) - Jeannette > What's this s%!& falling from the sky? Kinda ruins my commute to > work > - I'll ride in it if I'm out, but I don't think I'm going to jump > on > the bike to go out and ride in it (I did enough snow riding on > Friday > in WV). I know some of you are die-hards - hope you're getting a > kick > out of the expressions on cagers faces.... > > Humbled, > > Brian > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 09:53:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07842; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07451; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21172; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:53:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AB4C50214; Tue, 09 Dec 1997 09:53:03 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971209095110.009c8970@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 09:51:10 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Huh - I don't get it.. In-Reply-To: <9712098816.AA881677643@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:52 AM 12/9/97 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: > > What's this s%!& falling from the sky? Kinda ruins my commute to work > - I'll ride in it if I'm out, but I don't think I'm going to jump on > the bike to go out and ride in it (I did enough snow riding on Friday > in WV). I know some of you are die-hards - hope you're getting a kick > out of the expressions on cagers faces.... I know what you mean. I chose to ride in today, because it was warm enough that I figured I wouldn't have any problems (I didn't). Now if the temperature had been near freezing for a few days ... ... well, I would have had to take the sidecar rig. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 10:10:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08289; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07657; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21730; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA22683 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:15:07 -0500 Message-ID: <348D5F25.F50D85BB@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 10:09:25 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: High mileage tractors References: <26c41e88.348d4e85@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RDWOODJR wrote: > (NO Leon, I don't have > 10,000 miles on my tractor!) It must be a new one - at 3mph avg speed, 10K miles is only 3300 engine hours. Just keep riding it, and change the oil regularly, you'll get there. What's the most miles you've ever heard of on a 250cc Ninja? I think I can get mine to between 50 and 60K by the end of '98. Will you be at the PARR ride on New Year's Day? Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 10:26:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08681; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07824; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22284; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A309230192; Tue, 09 Dec 1997 10:26:01 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971209102034.00a4ea30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 10:20:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors In-Reply-To: <348D5F25.F50D85BB@illuminet.net> References: <26c41e88.348d4e85@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:09 AM 12/9/97 -0500, Leon Begeman wrote: >Will you be at the PARR ride on New Year's Day? I will! With 2 wheels or 3 wheels, with no passengers, 1 passenger, or 2 passengers! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 10:37:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08940; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07924; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22597; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA07310; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:35:41 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D372F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:34:37 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain What is the PARR ride & where is it? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 10:21 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors > > At 10:09 AM 12/9/97 -0500, Leon Begeman wrote: > > >Will you be at the PARR ride on New Year's Day? > > > I will! With 2 wheels or 3 wheels, with no passengers, 1 passenger, > or 2 > passengers! > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 10:41:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09013; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07969; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22744; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A67D3F0192; Tue, 09 Dec 1997 10:40:45 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971209104050.00a4b360@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 10:40:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D372F@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:34 AM 12/9/97 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >What is the PARR ride & where is it? New Year's Day. It's their annual Polar Bear Ride. Hooray! What a great way to bring in the New Year. It used to be started at the Dixie Pig restaurant on Rt 1 in Alexandria, south of the Beltway. I think it's held somewhere else now ... perhaps someone on the list knows? There'll probably be discussion on the list as we get closer. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 10:53:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09550; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08091; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mm1 by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23499; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-dow ([206.175.211.200]) by mm1.sprynet.com with SMTP id <227833-29142>; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:49:07 -0800 From: "Michael Dow" To: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:52:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd04ba$78c8dde0$c8d3afce@m-dow> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Doesn't it start at the Sign of the Whale in Lohmann's Plaza on 50 near the Beltway? I thought they launched from there last time. -Sash -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 10:47 AM Subject: RE: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors > >At 10:34 AM 12/9/97 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >>What is the PARR ride & where is it? > >New Year's Day. It's their annual Polar Bear Ride. Hooray! What a great >way to bring in the New Year. > >It used to be started at the Dixie Pig restaurant on Rt 1 in Alexandria, >south of the Beltway. I think it's held somewhere else now ... perhaps >someone on the list knows? There'll probably be discussion on the list as >we get closer. > >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 10:57:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09645; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08125; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23702; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA16021 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0491.181B8E30@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:56:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Chris Norloff'" Subject: RE: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:56:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it is Cool Hands Cafe in Falls Church. On route 50 between just east of 7 Corners. I think it is Patrick Henry and route 50 in the Willston Shopping Center. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 10:40 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors > >At 10:34 AM 12/9/97 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >>What is the PARR ride & where is it? > >New Year's Day. It's their annual Polar Bear Ride. Hooray! What a great >way to bring in the New Year. > >It used to be started at the Dixie Pig restaurant on Rt 1 in Alexandria, >south of the Beltway. I think it's held somewhere else now ... perhaps >someone on the list knows? There'll probably be discussion on the list as >we get closer. > >Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 11:00:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09764; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08225; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23876; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA15699; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:59:36 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D3732@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:58:32 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain If anyone knows more info., please post it. I'd love to go and I luckily know just where the Dixie Pig is. My electrics will keep me toasty! - J > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 10:41 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors > > At 10:34 AM 12/9/97 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > >What is the PARR ride & where is it? > > New Year's Day. It's their annual Polar Bear Ride. Hooray! What a > great > way to bring in the New Year. > > It used to be started at the Dixie Pig restaurant on Rt 1 in > Alexandria, > south of the Beltway. I think it's held somewhere else now ... > perhaps > someone on the list knows? There'll probably be discussion on the > list as > we get closer. > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 11:03:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10030; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08265; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24291; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11255; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:03:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05656; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:03:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712091603.LAA05656@clark.net> Subject: Re: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors To: MEIERCH@XXXXXX (Meier, Christopher) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:03:33 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "Meier, Christopher" at Dec 9, 97 10:56:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > I think it is Cool Hands Cafe in Falls Church. On route 50 between just > east of 7 Corners. I think it is Patrick Henry and route 50 in the > Willston Shopping Center. It originally was at the Dixie Pig. They closed. Then it was at Cool Hands in Falls Church. They closed. It's now at "The Sign of the Whale" in Loehman's Plaza (from the beltway take Rt. 50 East, it's on your right, from 7 Corners, take 50 West, it's on your left). Hope they stay in business for a while!! If there isn't any snow/ice, I'll take the bike (3rd yr in a row) Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 11:03:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10036; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08272; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from notes.sbd.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24297; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 85256568.005808B0 ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:01:33 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256568.00587F73.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:07:46 -0400 Subject: RE: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Yeah - the Dixie Pig is no longer there. They've torn it down and I don't know if anything is in it's place. PARR should be sending something out pretty soon with the location. If I hear, I'll let you know. Caron >What is the PARR ride & where is it? New Year's Day. It's their annual Polar Bear Ride. Hooray! What a great way to bring in the New Year. It used to be started at the Dixie Pig restaurant on Rt 1 in Alexandria, south of the Beltway. I think it's held somewhere else now ... perhaps someone on the list knows? There'll probably be discussion on the list as we get closer. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 11:08:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10169; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08348; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24552; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14447; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:08:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07016; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712091608.LAA07016@clark.net> Subject: Re: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors To: jlobrien@XXXXXX (O'Brien, Jeannette) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D3732@badge.tuckerflyer.com> from "O'Brien, Jeannette" at Dec 9, 97 10:58:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > If anyone knows more info., please post it. I'd love to go and I > luckily know just where the Dixie Pig is. > My electrics will keep me toasty! > The Dixie Pig used to be across from the Becan Mall on Rt. 1. It's been plowed down, and a Rite Aid built where it used to stand. I posted the info on the location in another message. I forgot the time, but it's usually around 10 am. There is info in the "Winding Roads Motorcycle Times" magazine, and I've seen some flyers about the Polar Bear run in Cycle Sports. With your payment, you get a "year bar" to show you rode this particular year. For about $5 (don't quote me on that) you get the initial pin to put all the year bars on. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 11:28:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10510; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08651; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25238; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA24917 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:33:00 -0500 Message-ID: <348D7162.E22EB383@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 11:27:14 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: PARR New Year's Day - [was: High mileage tractors References: <199712091603.LAA05656@clark.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope it snows! There have been several times when I've been the only person to show up at a motorcycle event riding a motorcycle. I haven't even been able to get close on this one. Even the year it snowed, there were more than 20 bikes at the Dixie Pig. ;-) I'm kidding folks. While it would be nice to have that record, it's always fun to see the people that show up at this event. PARR is active in many community safety and rights issues that affect all of us. (They are also credited in one of the video's in the Motorcycle Safety Course) They use this event as a fund raiser. Leon. Not a member of PARR, but I rode on the last 11 Polar Bear Rides. Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > I think it is Cool Hands Cafe in Falls Church. On route 50 between just > > east of 7 Corners. I think it is Patrick Henry and route 50 in the > > Willston Shopping Center. > > It originally was at the Dixie Pig. They closed. > Then it was at Cool Hands in Falls Church. They closed. > > It's now at "The Sign of the Whale" in Loehman's Plaza (from the beltway > take Rt. 50 East, it's on your right, from 7 Corners, take 50 West, it's > on your left). > > Hope they stay in business for a while!! > > If there isn't any snow/ice, I'll take the bike (3rd yr in a row) > > Louis > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm > Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | > louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 11:55:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11056; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08932; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26126; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA19877; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:55:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA08429; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:55:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971209165502.HAWE1374@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:55:02 -0500 Message-ID: <348D77E1.7BB32322@mci.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 11:54:57 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: PARR New Year's Day - Snow References: <199712091603.LAA05656@clark.net> <348D7162.E22EB383@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Snow itself wouldn't scare me off. However, if the roads are slippery/slimey/icy I'll probably pass. Like I did today, wimped out and took the slush bike in to work this morning. I'm curious how you folks ride in icy/snowy/slushy conditions? Specifically, what confidence do you have in cornering when the roads are bad? Just thinking about riding through that stuff gives me the willies. I know Chris Norloff has his sidecar rig, but I don't want to go that route. I'm frankly scared to death to get caught in really slippery road conditions on my bike someday. Can anyone attest to how dual sports handle with knobby tires? I imagine they would be loads of fun in the snow, but I think they'd handle even worse than a street bike on ice. Anyone? Dale (the Horkster) Leon Begeman wrote: > I hope it snows! There have been several times when I've been the only person to > show up at a motorcycle event riding a motorcycle. I haven't even been able to > get close on this one. Even the year it snowed, there were more than 20 bikes at > the Dixie Pig. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 12:02:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11289; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09099; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26592; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.64.95]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA18241; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:02:14 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Battley's Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:59:26 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971209170213.AAA18241@default> My own impression of Battleys is a few of their sales guys really suck, and give a bad impression of the place. Some others are good, the parts guys are good, and so are the service guys. Devin Battley seems to be a nice guy. Maybe I'll tell him which sales guys suck and he'll fix them. I haven't had the amount of experience some of you have had there. I think I've bought 2 tires, gloves and a pair of horns. I socialize there often, kick tires, try on leather, take demos, etc. Of course, they only sell one line of Japanese bikes, so they probably have plenty of customers who are less than happy with the quality of their bikes...... (nomex drawers on) ;-) Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 12:47:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12283; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09688; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28373; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.30.47.174] (ip174.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.174]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21786 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:47:04 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971209170213.AAA18241@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:47:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Battley's >My own impression of Battleys is a few of their sales guys really suck, and >give a bad impression of the place. Some others are good, the parts guys >are good, and so are the service guys. Devin Battley seems to be a nice >guy. Maybe I'll tell him which sales guys suck and he'll fix them. I >haven't had the amount of experience some of you have had there. I think >I've bought 2 tires, gloves and a pair of horns. I socialize there often, >kick tires, try on leather, take demos, etc. Of course, they only sell one >line of Japanese bikes, so they probably have plenty of customers who are >less than happy with the quality of their bikes...... > >(nomex drawers on) ;-) > >Later >Kevin > >He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. You're right on about the sales staff. Hot tip for anyone wanting to buy a new or used bike: talk to Mac in the parts department. He can perform all the duties of a sales person, and is a genuinely nice guy. I've developed good friendships with many of the parts and service folks both socially and through racing, and they are all decent, knowledgeable guys and gals. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 13:05:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12653; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09870; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29013; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A854AF0134; Tue, 09 Dec 1997 13:05:08 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971209122956.00996100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 12:29:56 -0500 To: DC-Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: PARR New Year's Day - Snow In-Reply-To: <348D77E1.7BB32322@mci.com> References: <199712091603.LAA05656@clark.net> <348D7162.E22EB383@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:54 AM 12/9/97 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >Snow itself wouldn't scare me off. However, if the roads are slippery/slimey/icy >I'll probably pass. Like I did today, wimped out and took the slush bike in to work >this morning. I'm curious how you folks ride in icy/snowy/slushy conditions? >Specifically, what confidence do you have in cornering when the roads are bad? Just >thinking about riding through that stuff gives me the willies. Here's a recent post I made to another list, about winter riding -- I ride year 'round, here in the Washington, DC, area. Our main danger is ice, not snow. We get a lot of temperature fluctuations around the freezing point. One of the advantages of living in an area with crazed yuppies hurtling along in their "sport-utility vehicles" is that they show me how good the road is. When one of these bozos has traction trouble, I know to watch out myself. When the road is below freezing, and dry, I have plenty of traction. Your points about frozen gunk on the road (car leaks, etc) are good -- I just keep a good eye out, keep my speed down, and ride in the cars' wheel tracks. When the road is above freezing, no problem. Just watch out for bridges if the temperature is near freezing. This is especially hard on Interstate-type roads because (around here) drivers are not notified that a bridge is ahead. My riding technique changes a bit in the winter. I keep speeds down to give me more time and space to react to slippery areas. I look for sand, because it has better traction than ice. I use counter-steering less, and use body shift more. And I counter-lean (keep body upright while motorcycle leans under me, like a dirt rider) -- this makes a momentary loss of traction less exciting. And if it's too slippery for a motorcycle, I just take the sidecar rig. >Can anyone attest to how dual sports handle with knobby tires? I imagine they would >be loads of fun in the snow, but I think they'd handle even worse than a street bike >on >ice. Anyone? Knobbies turn pavement into ice, there's very little traction. I'd say the best tire would be a new sport tire (deep tread, soft compound) or a trials tire (smooth profile, but with deep tread). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 13:05:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12654; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09871; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29014; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A855AF0134; Tue, 09 Dec 1997 13:05:09 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971209123301.00996100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 12:33:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: You know you're a winter rider when ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's a bunch of responses I collected last year from this list, by asking -- "You know you're a winter rider when ..." Anybody want to add one? ************************ >You know you're a winter rider when ... >Sand in the road looks good 'cause it's less slippery than ice. >Chris Norloff *************************** You Know you're a winter rider when ... The fog on the inside of your helmet visor turns to ice. Bill McLoone ************************** ... preparing for the daily commute you tell yourself things like: There isn't really *much* ice on the road After all it's only a 30 minute ride, how bad could it be? I don't really mind looking like a leather-covered Michilin Man I really *must* look into electric garmets ... Gotta ride. The alternative is that #$@*&@^% Metro. It's not all that cold .. the bike started, didn't it? Brian Downey ************************** You Know you're a winter rider when ... You listen to the traffic reports more carefully than the weather reports. Leon Begeman ************************* You know you're a winter rider when you hope it is cold enough for light snow instead of light rain! Carl B. ************************ You know you're a winter rider when . . . . . . the frozen snot on your face thaws as you smile at the attractive member-of-the-opposite-sex in the car sitting next to you at the light and you realize that your nose is running. -Vo ;) '93 XLH 1200 (Vera Osidach) ************************* You know you're a winter rider when: you don't know what "stabilizer" is. you get to work and you look like you just hijacked a 747. you try with every fiber of your being not to kill people who ask "but isn't it cold???" you go outside in shorts when it's 40 degrees. -Sash (Michael "Sash" Dow) **************************** When you're very adept at steering the bike with just your right hand, because your left hand is intermittently down in the engine getting warm. tjoseph@XXXXXX ***************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 13:21:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12896; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10117; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28948; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA23730 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD04A4.93CEC070@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:15:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Customer Service Experience w/Local Dealers Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:15:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, This is just an FYI, but I thought I would share with the list, since I value your opinion when posted about this topic. In March I bought a Dow Guardian MC cover for the RF, and over the past few weeks it has been unraveling and fraying around the bottom where the elastic is. Now about 1/3 of it is unraveled and flaps in the breeze. So, I thought I vaguely remembered that it came with a lifetime warranty. Quick check of the Team Charm Phone Number page, get Dow's number and am on the phone with them in no time. Excellent customer service was provided, BTW. They said no problem, send it to us and well send you a new one FREE OF CHARGE, not even making me pay for shipping! I tell them that the problem is that the bike sits outside all the time, and given the weather here now, I didn't want to leave it untarped for a week while we mailed it back and forth. They would not send me one without receiving the old one first (which I can understand). So the customer service lady suggests than I just take it a local dealer, pick up a new one from them and they can send it back to Dow for me to get a replacement for the new one. Sounds simple enough, I thank her for her time and effort. Here's where it gets interesting. I called 3 local shops, get put through to accessories and give the following explanation, (which was the same one I gave all the shops, BTW). Had the cover, lifetime warrantee, called Dow, they suggested going to a dealer to get a new one immediately and they will reimburse the dealer with a new cover for the exchange of the old one. (I *assume* that the dealer would also be have to bear the shipping cost either, but am not sure.) I ask them if they would be willing to do this for me and if they have one in stock. 1st Stop Coleman Powersport Falls Church(they are the closest to where I live). The salesman say no, because it costs them too much money and is too much of a hassle to sort out all of the shipping costs. Makes offer to SELL me another one and then I can send the old one to Dow for a monetary reimbursement. Hmmm, interesting ... don't think I want to layout anymore money for a cover under lifetime warrantee. I politely said thanks for the time and I would try one of the other shops in the area. 2nd Stop Cycle Sport Herndon(they are closest to where I work). Great Accessory guy, real nice, says it shouldn't be a problem, but wants to check w/ the parts manager. Takes my name and number, says he will call back. I have yet to hear from them. 3rd Stop Freestate Cycles in Bladensburg (no where near me, but have had success w/ them in the past) Even nicer parts guy, says he isn't sure what their policy is but will check with his parts Manager. I leave my name and number, he calls me back and in less than 30 mins says he called Dow, they said no problem (and no shipping cost to the dealer {was Coleman's guy lying?}), he also talked to the parts manager who said no problem, AND that he has one in stock I can come get whenever I want. Does ask me to try to find the original packaging if I can, but says whatever I have is fine. Guess there is no real lesson here, but just my experience with 3 separate dealers for the same thing. They all knew that there was no money in this for them (except for potential future sales) and made decisions accordingly. Take it for what it is worth, but I have always been one to spend a reasonable amount more at a dealership, if necessary to get this kind of customer service (locally) that the big mail order houses usually don't provide. Guess which dealership gets my future services and accessory purchases? Later, chris PS Hope this doesn't come off as bashing any specific dealers, but an objective opinion based on my experiences with each. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 13:29:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13033; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10185; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29652; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA19434 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:29:40 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:29:40 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles List'" Subject: RE: PARR New Year's Day - Snow Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:28:02 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 7 TEXT >I look for sand, because it has better traction than ice. Amazing, ain't it - in the summer we look for sand 'cause it has less traction... Michael (I used to walk 3 miles to school inna snow - uphill - both ways) Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 13:36:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13260; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10242; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29943; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA24716; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA06555; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:35:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971209183517.BHVR30073@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:35:17 -0600 Message-ID: <348D8F60.A7A09BE0@mci.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 13:35:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: You know you're a winter rider when ... References: <3.0.1.32.19971209123301.00996100@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a takeoff on tjoseph's one... Chris Norloff wrote: > "You know you're a winter rider when ..." > > Anybody want to add one? > > ************************ > When you're very adept at steering the bike with just your right hand, > because your left hand is intermittently down in the engine getting warm. > tjoseph@XXXXXX > ***************************** "You know you're a winter rider when ..." You install a throttle lock so you can alternately switch which hand gets warmed up by the engine. (No flames please - I've since bought warmer gloves :-) Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 13:39:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13358; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10261; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mm1 by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00053; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-dow ([206.175.211.200]) by mm1.sprynet.com with SMTP id <227785-2799>; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:35:07 -0800 From: "Michael Dow" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Customer Service Experience w/Local Dealers Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:38:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd04d1$a8ee2fe0$c8d3afce@m-dow> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 With "Dow," you can always count on good customer service ;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 13:49:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13526; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10448; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00514; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA25722 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:47:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD04A9.3EC4F040@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:49:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Customer Service Experience w/Local Dealers Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:49:04 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This just in ... Cycle Sport did call back. They are unable to do the exchange because they "don't ever deal directly with Dow". That's funny ... I didn't either, well, until I called them. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Meier, Christopher[SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 1:15 PM >To: 'dc-cycles' >Subject: Customer Service Experience w/Local Dealers > --snip-- >2nd Stop Cycle Sport Herndon(they are closest to where I work). Great >Accessory guy, real nice, says it shouldn't be a problem, but wants to >check w/ the parts manager. Takes my name and number, says he will call >back. I have yet to hear from them. --snip-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 13:50:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13561; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10466; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00538; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:50:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA25801 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD04A9.63CA0510@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:50:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Michael Dow'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Customer Service Experience w/Local Dealers Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:50:05 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Touch=E9' Where do you live and when can I bring the cover by for a new one? :-) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier =20 meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Michael Dow[SMTP:mdow@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 1:38 PM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Customer Service Experience w/Local Dealers > >With "Dow," you can always count on good customer service ;) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 14:39:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14495; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11025; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02116; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA04630 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:38:34 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma004595; Tue, 9 Dec 97 14:38:22 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id OAA28863 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881695760; Tue, 09 Dec 97 14:35:26 -0500 Message-Id: <9712098816.AA881695760@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 97 14:28:34 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re[2]: You know you're a winter rider when ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know..... When you carry a lock de-icer so you can unlock the frozen gascap (this was last winter - who knows what'll happen this one, I have a garage now!) Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ As a takeoff on tjoseph's one... Chris Norloff wrote: "You know you're a winter rider when ..." You install a throttle lock so you can alternately switch which hand gets warmed up by the engine. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 14:44:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14603; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11075; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02301; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:44:50 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA0225460B@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "Meier, Christopher" Subject: RE: Customer Service Experience w/Local Dealers Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:47:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) You know these type of events always make me wonder about what else to do. I think I would have pressed the guy a little harder at Coleman's like speaking to his boss. He was probably just too lazy to send it back and would rather try to get a quick sale out of you. I wouldn't have even thanked him for his time since your cover was going to be a "hassle" as he put it. He's not looking down the road for the "future" sale from you, he wants his money now. I guess it just depends on how well the current salesperson wants to take care of you even if that may not be the belief of the manager or owner of the store. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > In March I bought a Dow Guardian MC cover for the RF, and over the > past > few weeks it has been unraveling and fraying around the bottom where > the > elastic is. Now about 1/3 of it is unraveled and flaps in the breeze. > > So, I thought I vaguely remembered that it came with a lifetime > warranty. Quick check of the Team Charm Phone Number page, get Dow's > number and am on the phone with them in no time. Excellent customer > service was provided, BTW. They said no problem, send it to us and > well > send you a new one FREE OF CHARGE, not even making me pay for > shipping! > I tell them that the problem is that the bike sits outside all the > time, > and given the weather here now, I didn't want to leave it untarped for > a > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 15:41:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16138; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11623; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04288; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id Y1WDF5CA; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:47:31 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:42:44 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD04B9.17851360.anita@dlt.com> From: Anita Lauro Reply-To: "2xracers@XXXXXX" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Polar Bear Run Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:42:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just picked up an info sheet at my local Cycle Sport: 14th Annual Polar Bear Run News Years Day 1998 Begins at Sign of the Whale (7279 Arlington Blvd, Falls Church, VA) Registration from 9:00 am to Noon. Cost $6.00 for AMA members, $7.00 non-AMA. Includes "Year Bar" For more info call Dick Merrill at 703-971-6844. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 16:13:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17133; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12008; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05804; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id Y1WDF5C9; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:19:05 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:14:20 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD04BD.817991C0.anita@dlt.com> From: Anita Lauro Reply-To: "2xracers@XXXXXX" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Sunday Ride Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:14:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heard on the radio that Sunday is supposed to be dry and 50 degrees... if that turns out to be true I'll definitely be up for a nice long ride... of course, I'm not supposed to be paying attention to 5 day forecasts! :) Anita (feeling optimistic) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 16:28:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17406; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12128; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06365; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA10078 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA06370 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:26:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971209212603.KFVN1374@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:26:03 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:26:03 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD04BF.245421C0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Polar Bear Run Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:26:00 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could we be talking about TWO different events here. 1 - PARR starts at Cool Hand's Cafe and 2. - Polar Bear run starts at Sign of the Whale??? There's also a CAMS run that day I think starting at Silver Diner. So there we have it. Take your choice (I choose Miami) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 3:43 PM To: 'dc-cycles' Subject: Polar Bear Run Just picked up an info sheet at my local Cycle Sport: 14th Annual Polar Bear Run News Years Day 1998 Begins at Sign of the Whale (7279 Arlington Blvd, Falls Church, VA) Registration from 9:00 am to Noon. Cost $6.00 for AMA members, $7.00 non-AMA. Includes "Year Bar" For more info call Dick Merrill at 703-971-6844. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 16:36:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17556; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12295; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06593; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id QAA08509; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:33:23 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D375E@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'2xracers@XXXXXX'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:32:20 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain If that's true, you're on! Anyone else ready!? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 4:14 PM > To: 'dc-cycles' > Subject: Sunday Ride > > Heard on the radio that Sunday is supposed to be dry and 50 degrees... > if > that turns out to be true I'll definitely be up for a nice long > ride... of > course, I'm not supposed to be paying attention to 5 day forecasts! :) > > Anita > (feeling optimistic) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 16:54:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17976; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:54:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12569; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07356; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id Y1WDF5D9; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:59:58 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:55:13 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD04C3.37C2F7A0.anita@dlt.com> From: Anita Lauro Reply-To: "2xracers@XXXXXX" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'Linda Tanner'" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Polar Bear Run Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:55:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tuesday, December 09, 1997 4:26 PM, Linda Tanner [SMTP:linda.tanner@XXXXXX] wrote: > Could we be talking about TWO different events here. 1 - PARR starts at > Cool Hand's Cafe and 2. - Polar Bear run starts at Sign of the Whale??? > There's also a CAMS run that day I think starting at Silver Diner. > > So there we have it. Take your choice (I choose Miami) The flyer I picked up says Potomac Area Road Riders, so I think it's just one event. I pick Miami, too. Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 17:04:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18206; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12668; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from notes.sbd.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07631; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 85256568.0078496F ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:53:51 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: linda.tanner@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256568.0078C95E.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:00:07 -0400 Subject: RE: Polar Bear Run Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII PARR is the sponsor of the Polar Bear Run. Could we be talking about TWO different events here. 1 - PARR starts at Cool Hand's Cafe and 2. - Polar Bear run starts at Sign of the Whale??? There's also a CAMS run that day I think starting at Silver Diner. So there we have it. Take your choice (I choose Miami) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 17:14:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18509; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13020; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07971; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:12:51 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <19a05619.348dbfbb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:01:28 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Everybody RIDE! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << We (all of us not just the wimmin) want to encourage other females of the species to ride. Don't you think that's a good idea?? We also know that a little ribbing for youse guys is not going to scare you off. Everybody is welcome. All that is required is love of two wheels. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze >> I wish more people rode. I need to ride more. I need more motorcycles. Motorcycle registrations have gone down over the past decade, I believe. Part of it's my fault, I only own one motorcycle nowdays. Not like a few years ago when no less than four (licensed and running) street bikes, two off-roaders, and three atv's would do for me. Then there was the problem of also keeping the corvette in the garage too. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 17:21:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18619; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13206; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08244; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:19:42 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:17:38 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: High mileage tractors Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << What's the most miles you've ever heard of on a 250cc Ninja? I think I can get mine to between 50 and 60K by the end of '98. Will you be at the PARR ride on New Year's Day? Leon. >> Leon, the most I recall was an EX250 in for service at Cycles Woodbridge with about 43,000 miles. The fellow was traveling cross-country after getting out of the Marines. Boy, was his bike packed with stuff for the trip! When I got off active duty from the Navy (still had 2 years active reserve to do then), I was so glad to be free, I made a cross-country and back trip with a motorcycle mechanic friend; but in a pickup truck. The movie "Easy Rider" had just come out a few years before, so we didn't feel getting shot-gunned by some redneck. That trip I could write a book on. We had a few adventures without looking for trouble. Probably will not do PARR ride, wife is big on family "visitin'" on all holidays. Another long story, with a boring ending. Sorry. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 17:45:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19212; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13548; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08992; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:43:43 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:38:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Snow ride, take it easy, snow ride (take off of Foghat's "Slow Ride") Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Dale wonders: << I'm curious how you folks ride in icy/snowy/slushy conditions? Specifically, what confidence do you have in cornering when the roads are bad? Just thinking about riding through that stuff gives me the willies >> I rode in the snow home twice. 40 miles. Including the Beltway. By mistake. I didn't listen to weather reports then, because I almost always commuted on two wheels. So both times, I'm working in the parts office of a m/c dealer, the *wonderfull* cager salespeople looking out the store windows watching inches of snow collect on the only motorcycle ridden to work that day and no one bothers to warn me. Riding at 40 mph on 495 wasn't much fun surrounded by large hunks of metal. I couldn't do that again, I've got hyper-tension now, thinking about it gives me the willies too. Rode dirtbikes in it, though. Crashed a lot, but it didn't hurt much. If I had a hack, I'd be on the street as soon as the first inch was down. BTW, atv's are GREAT fun in the snow. Richard Wood ok youngers, who the heck was Foghat? I've still got the record around the house somewhere. But the turntable quit working 10 years ago. ok youngers, whats a record? turntable? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 17:46:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19234; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13566; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:45:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09143; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 09 Dec 1997 17:39:48 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 17:44:17 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Let's rock and roll! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Let's rock and roll! Sunday looks good for me. Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's true, you're on! Anyone else ready!? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 4:14 PM > To: 'dc-cycles' > Subject: Sunday Ride > > Heard on the radio that Sunday is supposed to be dry and 50 degrees... > if > that turns out to be true I'll definitely be up for a nice long > ride... of > course, I'm not supposed to be paying attention to 5 day forecasts! :) > > Anita > (feeling optimistic) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 18:18:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20002; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13829; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10277; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 172.17.2.45 (pix000069.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.81]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA22701; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:16:59 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9712091817.AA23550@172.17.2.45> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:17:23 -0500 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: RDWOODJR , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Snow ride, take it easy, snow ride (take off of Foghat's "Slow Ride") Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline > Rode dirtbikes in it, though. > Crashed a lot, but it didn't hurt much. > If I had a hack, I'd be on the street as soon as the first inch was > down. BTW, atv's are GREAT fun in the snow. Also rode dirt bikes in the snow, lots of fun, when you crash (it happened often) it didn't hurt, just sliding along the snowy/icy road. I would just put down both feet, sort of like training wheels, and drag the feet along thesnowy road keeping the bike upright, keep it at 30 MPH or so. When you really start sliding,it's hard to keep 'er upright! This was more in the boonies in PA, though. I'd never do that anywhere near the beltway... DC/VA cagers can't drive in the snow ;-) (flame protectant on) Matt 95 Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 18:23:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20149; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13878; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10498; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id SAA22725 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:21:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA07499 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:21:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971209232137.LOSQ1374@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:21:37 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:21:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD04CF.490EF3E0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Snow ride, take it easy, snow ride (take off of Foghat's "Slow Ride") Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:21:33 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have two very nice turntables that are collecting dust at my house. I no longer have any records. Maybe we can make some sort of a deal?? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (oh yes, I remember Foghat, but I wasn't much of a fan) -----Original Message----- From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 5:38 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Snow ride, take it easy, snow ride (take off of Foghat's "Slow Ride") ok youngers, who the heck was Foghat? I've still got the record around the house somewhere. But the turntable quit working 10 years ago. ok youngers, whats a record? turntable? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 18:24:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20161; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13885; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10509; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:22:50 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:15:49 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Snow tires, yo tires Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << >Can anyone attest to how dual sports handle with knobby tires? I imagine they would >be loads of fun in the snow, but I think they'd handle even worse than a street bike >on >ice. Anyone? >> Chris, et al, there are DOT approved knobbies available. But not in sportbike 17's. I still wouldn't ride in snow in rush hour traffic on purpose. Your body is the only one you got until cloning of humans is completed. I'm glad I will not live to see that. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 18:26:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20183; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13931; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10566; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09326; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:24:44 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21831; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:24:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:24:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712092324.SAA21831@clark.net> To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: You know you're a winter rider when ... ... you ride in the winter and don't notice the difference. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 21:51:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22648; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14939; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14091; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA14084 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:20:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <348E26E6.505B@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 21:21:42 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Sunday Ride? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang, Count me in for a Sunday ride too ! JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 23:10:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23717; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15374; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15357; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:09:56 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: <15aa6d15.348e1161@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:49:51 EST To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PARR New Year's Day - Snow Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 97-12-09 13:37:41 EST, Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX writes: > I'm curious how you folks ride in icy/snowy/slushy conditions? > Specifically, what confidence do you have in cornering when the roads are > bad? Just > thinking about riding through that stuff gives me the willies. The lack of traction must be scary, but getting doused with waves of road slush from other vehicles would make it all worthwhile. Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 9 23:19:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23802; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15514; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15496; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.237]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA4248; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 04:18:32 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'2xracers@XXXXXX'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:15:40 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971210041830.AAA4248@default> Jeannette-- Final exams start monday. I'd have to stay home if it was 80. :-( Have fun Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 01:04:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25392; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17260; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16870; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.145] (unverified [205.177.250.145]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:07:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: winter glove sale, notes Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 01:03:51 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I plan on switching to synthetic oils at 30k, and then changing oil 5000 >mile >intervals after that. Youch. Be careful. I have switched one or two older vehicles to synthetics in the twilight of their life with mixed results. Sure, it helped clean up the insides of the engine, but it also cleaned out all the crud that was keeping compression high (and oil inside the engine:) I'd probably do it again, but it's something you may want to think about. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 01:38:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25733; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17772; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17180; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.137] (unverified [205.177.250.137]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:42:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Polar Bear Run Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 01:38:16 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "'dc-cycles'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >14th Annual Polar Bear Run > >News Years Day 1998 Sounds like fun, but for more than a decade, my father, brother, and myself (my sister is the only female ever allowed to go along, and that in the year when she got her license and dad wanted her to look at some cars) go to the DC Auto Show. Unfortunately, it's the week before the Detroit show, but it's a family tradition nonetheless. Any other closet-cager fans gonna be there? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 01:38:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25738; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17777; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17184; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.137] (unverified [205.177.250.137]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:42:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 01:38:19 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "2xracers@XXXXXX" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc-cycles'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Heard on the radio that Sunday is supposed to be dry and 50 degrees... if >that turns out to be true I'll definitely be up for a nice long ride... of >course, I'm not supposed to be paying attention to 5 day forecasts! :) If I can get back from Ohio Saturday (gotta pick up the girlfriend's stuff for the apartment) then I'm in. I saw that same extended forecast. Got my fingers crossed already... ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 01:38:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25743; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17782; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17188; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.137] (unverified [205.177.250.137]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:42:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Battley's Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 01:38:21 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" , "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Of course, they only sell one >line of Japanese bikes, so they probably have plenty of customers who are >less than happy with the quality of their bikes...... My Kawasaki has spent more time in the shop than the BMW... (Although I will admit that both tank emblems on the Beemer fell off within one month of purchase. Both replaced in ten minutes under warranty:) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 01:38:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25749; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17788; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17192; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.137] (unverified [205.177.250.137]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:42:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Snow ride, take it easy, snow ride (take off of Foghat's "S Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 01:38:24 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "RDWOODJR" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >ok youngers, who the heck was Foghat? I've still got the record around the >house somewhere. But the turntable quit working 10 years ago. ok youngers, >whats a record? turntable? Those black plastic frisbees that don't fly too well, and have a tendency to shatter when they hit the ground? My father has a bunch. Put them on this microwave rotisierre type thing, and some old dude starts screaming about somebody named 'Jumpin' Jack Flash'. One plays this noise that sounds vaguely like "In the Garden of Eden" but it's so mumbled, I can't tell;) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 01:38:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25754; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17800; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17196; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.137] (unverified [205.177.250.137]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:42:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: winter glove sale, notes Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 01:38:28 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "RDWOODJR" , cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Get another opinion (other than mine) on synthetic oil at 30,000 miles. I >have >seen, heard, and read that engine oil seals accustomed to petroleum-based >oils >on *high* (not really, but approaching) mileage motors may leak when >switching >to more slippery synthetics. Quite often, the counter shaft sprocket seal is >first. Like I said, Haven't seen it on a bike, but have seen it on older autos. The leak I remember was the crank seal on my Jeep... -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 08:30:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00548; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24602; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22757; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA14695 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 05:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0545.DB045B20@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:30:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:29:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am definitely in for Sun as well. However, I would like to make a humble request if I may... could we pick a different route than the std 211 to some back roads to Leesburg for coffee at Payne's? Not than it is not a great ride or that I don't love the twisties as much as the next person, but the last 3 group rides I have taken (with different groups) have all done that route. How about Harper's Ferry, Great Falls, Antietam, or any other "new" places. What about Gambrill State Park in MD/PA? I would still like to do White's Ferry by bike, also. Collin-- How about that "Covered Bridge Ride" on your route sheet web page? I have been wanting to take that ride for a while now and this might be the perfect weekend for it. Also, I saved a GREAT ride sheet from one of the PARR poker runs. It was probably the best run I have ever ridden from a route standpoint ... Lots of twisties and quiet back roads. I guess if all else fails, I can lead that one ... but it's long. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 1:38 AM >To: 2xracers@XXXXXX; 'dc-cycles' >Subject: Re: Sunday Ride > >>Heard on the radio that Sunday is supposed to be dry and 50 degrees... if >>that turns out to be true I'll definitely be up for a nice long ride... of >>course, I'm not supposed to be paying attention to 5 day forecasts! :) > >If I can get back from Ohio Saturday (gotta pick up the girlfriend's >stuff for the apartment) then I'm in. I saw that same extended forecast. >Got my fingers crossed already... > > > > ``` > (o o) >*------------oooO----(_)-------------------* >|..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| >|.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| >*--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 08:31:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00564; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24619; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22789; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A9AB9F028E; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:31:23 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971210074344.00a05cd0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:43:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Polar Bear Run In-Reply-To: <01BD04BF.245421C0.linda.tanner@mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" PARR is the Potomac Area Road Riders, who run a Polar Bear ride every New Year's Day. I like riding with the CAMS, but an annual Polar Bear ride is too good to miss. I've missed only one in about 7 years ... and part of that time was when I lived 2 hrs. away. The neatest thing for me about the Polar Bear is you get only the enthusiasts. The poseurs, the over-chromed bikes, the sunshine riders, the bikes with seating ergonomics so bad your back hurts just looking at them, the sparkly-new bikes that get up to 50 miles a month of riding -- those kind of bikes are not there. The bikes and riders who show up are the long riders, the hard riders. Older bikes with lots of miles, newer bikes with lots of miles per year, riders with well-used and very functional riding gear. At one stop we compared bike mileage -- the low was 20,000 and the average was over 50,000. You also meet the neat people, who live as they see fit, not as others want them to. I met a BMW rider with a lap blanket to hold the engine heat around his legs and waist. I met another rider with an enormous one-piece fiberglass trunk/saddlebag thing mounted on his bike ... great for living on the bike. as always, YMMV, Chris Norloff *********************************** At 04:26 PM 12/9/97 -0500, you wrote: >Could we be talking about TWO different events here. 1 - PARR starts at >Cool Hand's Cafe and 2. - Polar Bear run starts at Sign of the Whale??? > There's also a CAMS run that day I think starting at Silver Diner. > >So there we have it. Take your choice (I choose Miami) > >LindaT. >95 F3 Purple Haze > >-----Original Message----- >From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 3:43 PM >To: 'dc-cycles' >Subject: Polar Bear Run > >Just picked up an info sheet at my local Cycle Sport: > >14th Annual Polar Bear Run > >News Years Day 1998 > >Begins at Sign of the Whale (7279 Arlington Blvd, Falls Church, VA) > >Registration from 9:00 am to Noon. > >Cost $6.00 for AMA members, $7.00 non-AMA. > >Includes "Year Bar" > >For more info call Dick Merrill at 703-971-6844. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 08:39:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00662; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24699; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqmail.usda.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22910; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from x400@localhost) by hqmail.usda.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA11282 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:39:26 -0500 (EST) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-MTS-Identifier: [/P=GOV+USDA/A=ATTMAIL/C=US/;348E9D4C.CBAE.00FE.000] Content-Identifier: "Another MC re Expiry-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 0:00:00 -0500 UA-Content-Id: "Another MC re Autoforwarded: FALSE Priority: Normal Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Personal Received: by ATTMAIL; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:33:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:33:00 -0500 From: Robert B Vance Subject: "Another MC related Joke" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (Receipt Notification Requested) Message-Id: <348E9D4C.CBAE.00FE.000@MHS> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME A State Trooper passes a grizzled biker astride his hawg cruising down the road when he is called on his radio to assist in a vehicle pursuit, so he cranks his speed up to 85 mph only to be astonished to hear a knock on his window. He looks over to see the biker holding out a cigarette making motions that he needs a light. He signals the biker to pull over, thinking that the pursuit can wait, alights from his car and begins to lecture the biker, "Are you crazy? That is one of the most unsafe things that I've ever witnessed!" To which the biker replies, "Hey, I'm trying to quit - I've cut down to three a day!" Baadumdum..... Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 08:57:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00876; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:57:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24792; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23143; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05625 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 05:57:37 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 05:57:37 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 05:58:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 6 TEXT >I would still like to do White's Ferry by bike... Chris, it's better to do it by boat - trust me on this... Michael Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 08:59:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00904; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24802; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23171; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.server.ibm.com (relay1.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.98]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA24868 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:59:56 -0500 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay1.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id IAA06532 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:58:18 -0500 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100012042002; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:00:45 -0500 From: Tom Knapik To: Subject: Not Motorcycle Related BUT it sounds like a good idea..... Message-ID: <5040100012042002000002L022*@MHS> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:00:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain SUBJECT: 'Tis the Season to help........ ========================================================================= This is a wonderful opportunity to do something really nice with very little effort on your part. Hey guys! Some of you may remember this from last year; once again I'm working with the Houghton-Mifflin Publishing Company on the "Share the Spirit" project, which provides books and toys to terminally ill children spending the holidays in the hospital. Here's where you could help, and it couldn't be easier-they will donate 1 book for every 25 messages they receive in support of the project. All you have to do is visit their website at http://www.polarexpress.com And voila! You've done a world of good. Really-that's it! They ask you to contribute a quick holiday message of some sort-just "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hanukah" or "Ho Ho Ho!" will do the trick!! Our goal this year is to break the 100,000 mark....as of today less than 800 messages had been received. If you can find the time to help out it would go such a long way. Thanks my friends, and I hope all your holiday wishes come true.---mona PS-I'd really love it if you'd pass this along to anyone and everyone you can.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 09:55:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01888; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25241; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24567; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA13994; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA00885; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971210145420.BQAI6587@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:54:20 -0500 Message-ID: <348EAD13.8B128865@mci.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:54:11 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: RDWOODJR , DC Cycles Subject: Re: winter glove sale, notes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another question then. If I switch to synthetics and notice seal leaks, can I then switch back to the regular stuff without any problems? Or is this a case of 'once it starts leaking, it keeps on leaking'? My main motivation for switching comes from the superior cold weather performance of synth oils. Since I generally abuse my bikes year 'round, I figured my cold weather starting and handling would improve a great deal. Dale (the Horkster) George Howell wrote: > >Get another opinion (other than mine) on synthetic oil at 30,000 miles. I > >have > >seen, heard, and read that engine oil seals accustomed to petroleum-based > >oils > >on *high* (not really, but approaching) mileage motors may leak when > >switching > >to more slippery synthetics. Quite often, the counter shaft sprocket seal is > >first. > > Like I said, Haven't seen it on a bike, but have seen it on older autos. > The leak I remember was the crank seal on my Jeep... > > -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 10:34:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03089; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26994; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26420; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA10742; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:32:39 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D3774@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:31:36 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I rode in today in the rain. I just had to, it's so much more enjoyable than being sardined against strangers on the metro. I did NOT slip at all this time. Actually, the trip was pretty uneventful except for when I realized my thermostat should probably not be out in the rain 'cause it's not waterproof. Well, since the traffic was creeping along, I decided to attempt to stuff it into my jacket liner. Of course every time I tried to do that, the traffic got started going again. This meant that I got one glove off, crept up, got the other off, crept up, oops - conked the bike out by letting go of the clutch & on & on 'till I finally get the damn thing in my jacket. I must've looked pretty funny conking the bike out twice while trying to keep upright going a snail's pace. I must say, my balancing skills are improving by the minute, though. One thing I hate: stupid cagers who won't let me merge when it's my turn. I sit there thinking, should I just rev it up & scream past him or just let him do his thing? Patience has NEVER been one of my virtues. I think to myself, "Are you stupid? Do you even have ANY IDEA how much faster this bike is than your stupid CAR!!??" Sorry, had to vent... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 11:32:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04425; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29249; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28216; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA28615; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA06501; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:31:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971210163111.BCHD28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:31:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:24 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971210163111.BCHD28757@[166.41.242.141]> Chris Meier wrote: >I am definitely in for Sun as well. > >However, I would like to make a humble request if I may... could we pick >a different route than the std 211 to some back roads to Leesburg for coffee at Payne's? Not than it is not a great ride or that I don't love the twisties as much as the next person, but the last 3 group rides I have taken (with different groups) have all done that route. >How about Harper's Ferry, Great Falls, Antietam, or any other "new" >places. What about Gambrill State Park in MD/PA? I would still like to do White's Ferry by bike, also. >Collin-- How about that "Covered Bridge Ride" on your route sheet web >page? I have been wanting to take that ride for a while now and this might be the perfect weekend for it. >Also, I saved a GREAT ride sheet from one of the PARR poker runs. It >was probably the best run I have ever ridden from a route standpoint ... Lots of twisties and quiet back roads. I guess if all else fails, I can lead that one ... but it's long. >Later, >chris Sounds like we have a ride leader here folks. Just tell us all where to meet you Chris :-) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 11:42:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04611; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29545; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28555; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA28539; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:47:04 -0500 Message-ID: <348EC626.F6C49F5@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:41:10 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Sunday Ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree, it isn't nearly cold enough to do it by bike yet. Leon. Jordan, Michael wrote: > >I would still like to do White's Ferry by bike... > > Chris, it's better to do it by boat - trust me on this... > > Michael Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 11:55:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04836; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29717; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28944; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA28991; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:00:19 -0500 Message-ID: <348EC926.D54C2E02@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:53:59 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D3774@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patience is a virtue. Pick a spot well ahead and merge slowly into it. When they see that you have had ample opportunity to 'scream past him' and don't they will let you in. One advantage a bike has is that it doesn't need as much room as a cage. If he won't let me in, I stay to one side until well past the end of the merge. Eventually the cager will fall back a little, then I move into the spot and fall back a little more to get the appropriate following distance. It's important through all of this to not go screaming past on the merge lane and try to jump in at the last second. By staying in line through the entire process, you will be permitted to merge in. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > One thing I hate: stupid cagers who won't let me merge when it's my > turn. I sit there thinking, should I just rev it up & scream past him > or just let him do his thing? Patience has NEVER been one of my > virtues. I think to myself, "Are you stupid? Do you even have ANY IDEA > how much faster this bike is than your stupid CAR!!??" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 12:36:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05598; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00471; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00181; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA28364 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0568.2A67B820@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:35:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'Leon Begeman'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:35:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nah. I figure if I just ... get up ... enough ... speed ... I mean c'mon guys the water's not THAT wide at that point and with the technology of today's tires ... Then again, maybe Chris Norloff's sidecar rig has enough displacement to be buoyant enough to get across. Whatcha think, Chris? Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Leon Begeman[SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 11:41 AM >To: Jordan, Michael >Cc: 'dc-cycles' >Subject: Re: Sunday Ride > >I agree, it isn't nearly cold enough to do it by bike yet. >Leon. > >Jordan, Michael wrote: > >> >I would still like to do White's Ferry by bike... >> >> Chris, it's better to do it by boat - trust me on this... >> >> Michael Jordan > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 12:55:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06229; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00654; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00868; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:54:57 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <833a43ac.348ed62e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:49:28 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: You know you're a winter rider when ... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) You know you're a winter rider when you walk in to a 7/11 on a 20 drgree day with all your gear on, and people look at you funny because there is a 6 inch icicle hanging off the chin of your helmet from the condensation of your breath running down the faceshield. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 13:16:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07007; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01032; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01637; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:15:51 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <8a703fb0.348edbd2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:05:14 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: deal of the century Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << I have two very nice turntables that are collecting dust at my house. I no longer have any records. Maybe we can make some sort of a deal?? LindaT. >> Very possibly. How far are you from Brandywine, Md (home of the gravel pit and the area's most prolific vehicle, a dump truck)? And what does your heart desire that I might have? Guns, outdoor power equiptment (i have an extra roto-tiller, ha), a spare set of Ford Escort wheels? You could look through my barn at the self-professed pack-rat's collection, if you didn't run away screaming first. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 13:32:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07644; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01236; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02333; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A41444D0136; Wed Dec 10 12:40:36 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:30:55 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD056F.D7F7EC60.jywon@imisys.com> From: Justin Won Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:30:53 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use a technique based on what I call the "Accordian Principle". As everyone probably knows, stop and go traffic does not move like a like a steady stream, but more in waves much like an accordian. As cars begin to move, the cars behind always lag a bit often leaving large gaps which slowly move backwards into the log jam. When I'm merging into traffic, I always look as far down the entrance as I can to see where the gaps are ocurring and how fast they're moving backwards, and I time my merge accordingly. It works great once you get it down. Justin On Wednesday, December 10, 1997 11:54 AM, Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] wrote: > Patience is a virtue. Pick a spot well ahead and merge slowly into it. > When they see that you have had ample opportunity to 'scream past him' and > don't they will let you in. One advantage a bike has is that it doesn't > need as much room as a cage. If he won't let me in, I stay to one side > until well past the end of the merge. Eventually the cager will fall back a > little, then I move into the spot and fall back a little more to get the > appropriate following distance. It's important through all of this to not > go screaming past on the merge lane and try to jump in at the last second. > By staying in line through the entire process, you will be permitted to > merge in. > > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > One thing I hate: stupid cagers who won't let me merge when it's my > > turn. I sit there thinking, should I just rev it up & scream past him > > or just let him do his thing? Patience has NEVER been one of my > > virtues. I think to myself, "Are you stupid? Do you even have ANY IDEA > > how much faster this bike is than your stupid CAR!!??" > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 13:58:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08126; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01354; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02983; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:58:14 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <7e6d9db3.348ee5c6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:12:33 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re. switching oils Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Another question then. If I switch to synthetics and notice seal leaks, can I then switch back to the regular stuff without any problems? Or is this a case of 'once it starts leaking, it keeps on leaking'? >> Dale, my few personal experiences indicated that switching back to petro oil didn't stop the leak. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 14:29:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08747; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01569; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03809; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA21104 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:28:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA08030 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:28:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971210192821.BUUK215@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:28:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:10 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: You know you're a winter rider when.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971210192821.BUUK215@[166.41.242.141]> ...you are riding to work and have convinced yourself you're actually having fun commuting in 20- degree weather on a motorcycle. Or from another point of view, you feel bad that you caged it to work when you see a motorcyclist having fun commuting in 20- degree weather. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 19:20:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14623; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:20:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07208; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12699; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:19:24 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:11:10 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Count me in on ANY ride this weekend.....just gotta know in advance. That DOESNT mean the day OF the ride....uhhemmm, Collin. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 21:40:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16546; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07770; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15408; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:40:19 -0500 (EST) From: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from default (spg-tnt8s161.erols.com [207.172.38.161]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA19744; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:40:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971210214516.00c78810@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:45:16 -0500 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D3774@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:31 AM 12/10/97 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >One thing I hate: stupid cagers who won't let me merge when it's my >turn. I sit there thinking, should I just rev it up & scream past him >or just let him do his thing? Patience has NEVER been one of my >virtues. I think to myself, "Are you stupid? Do you even have ANY IDEA >how much faster this bike is than your stupid CAR!!??" I always have to laugh when I see cagers that think they can prevent a bike from merging in. On a bike you have the extreme advantage of being able to see the absolute extremes of your vehicle. Carefully watching the car in front, I slip in behind them about 6 inches off the bumper and then back off once I'm in the lane. Unless traffic is at a true standstill, there is no way that a cage can ride close enough to the one in front of it to keep you out. Keep in mind though that you have to be very alert to the brakelights up the line.... don't wanna get yourself in a cage sandwich. CT _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 21:46:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16618; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:46:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07801; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15468; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:46:50 -0500 (EST) From: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from default (spg-tnt8s161.erols.com [207.172.38.161]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA21977 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:46:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971210215150.00c7b334@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:51:50 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:35 PM 12/10/97 -0500, Meier, Christopher wrote: >Then again, maybe Chris Norloff's sidecar rig has enough displacement to >be buoyant enough to get across. Whatcha think, Chris? oooh oooh oooh!! Now it sounds like we're talking things I know all about! With enough speed I'm sure his sidecar rig would become a planing hull (or dynamically supported craft in the $5 words) and displacement wouldn't be as much of an issue :) Just don't stop once you're started... I vote for the ride sheet Chris has....two reasons 1) I plan on going, but I also have some other tentative plans....(pleeaassse honey....I won't be gone THAT long) 2) I'm not sure how well I could lead the covered bridge route (need to take a day to run down it again on my own)...I was in follow mode that day and didn't really pay attention to where we were at. In addition, part of the route went up the side of a mountain...might run into some more of that icky white stuff up there.... Speaking of that, I looked like a popsickle when I got to work yesterday morning!! Talk about hard to see...it kept layering on my shield. See ya'll Sunday (I hope)....just say where and when Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 22:58:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17424; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08161; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16558; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15410; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24258; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:57:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:57:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712110357.WAA24258@clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Polar Bear Run I always plan on going to the auto show (sans bike)! - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 10 23:04:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17539; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08245; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16662; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:04:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:41:08 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Jeanette, just don't forget how much BIGGER the stupid car is than your speedy bike.... In a message dated 97-12-10 17:32:33 EST, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: << Do you even have ANY IDEA how much faster this bike is than your stupid CAR!!??" >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 01:01:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19370; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:01:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09832; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18775; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.129] (unverified [205.177.250.129]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:04:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 01:00:47 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >One thing I hate: stupid cagers who won't let me merge when it's my >turn. I sit there thinking, should I just rev it up & scream past him >or just let him do his thing? Patience has NEVER been one of my >virtues. I think to myself, "Are you stupid? Do you even have ANY IDEA >how much faster this bike is than your stupid CAR!!??" I still feel this way frequently, although nowhere near as much as the first month or two. My advice, develop patience. It's tough. But think how much longer it will take to get to your destination if you have to make a sidetrip to the ER. Anyway, when you do get into traffic, you can usually rip past the BDCs anyway:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 01:01:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19369; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:01:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09828; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:00:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18771; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.129] (unverified [205.177.250.129]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:04:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 01:00:41 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I always have to laugh when I see cagers that think they can prevent a bike >from merging in. On a bike you have the extreme advantage of being able to >see the absolute extremes of your vehicle. Carefully watching the car in >front, I slip in behind them about 6 inches off the bumper and then back >off once I'm in the lane. Unless traffic is at a true standstill, there is >no way that a cage can ride close enough to the one in front of it to keep >you out. I figured this one out about two months ago, and it was a huge revelation. By judiciously taking full advantage of the size of a motorcycle, you can really do some things that you can't do in a cage. It was one of the times when I first started thinking more like a biker than a cager. (Although, lately, I have been slipping into 'cage' mode far too often on the bike. Slight lack of attention, a little lazy in checking things before or while riding... Any advice on how to overcome this?) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 07:55:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22969; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13794; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23425; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:53:36 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 8525656A.0046F67A ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:55:06 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525656A.00465319.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:54:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I have been slipping into 'cage' mode far too often on the bike. Slight lack of attention, a little lazy in checking things before or while riding... Any advice on how to overcome this?) A close call with a cage should be all it takes to remind you to pay close attention. And remind yourself as you start your trip "I am invisible to all brain dead cagers, especially now that it's winter". From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 08:19:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23271; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13922; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23750; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:18:59 -0500 (EST) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Thu Dec 11 08:13 EST 1997 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA00654 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA04805 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:19:28 -0500 Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD060D.6B263710@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:18:53 -0500 Message-Id: To: Subject: Manassas Honda Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:19:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have any experience with Manassas Honda? Good? Bad? O.K.? Thanks. --John B-6 Green From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 08:31:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23413; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14012; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23922; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA27429 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 05:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD060E.DCAC9A90@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'John Carver'" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. I knew in the back of my mind when I posted my opinion regarding the route, some wise-acher would volunteer me to lead this rabble rousing, raggedy bunch of degenerate bikers. I figured it would prolly be Todd or Kevin, and guess what ... Thanks Todd. Oh well, it isn't the first one I've led and I am sure it won't be the last. HOWEVER, by your comments, Todd, you just made your attendance MANDATORY. See you Sunday! Collin's recommendations are well taken re: the potential of snow on the Covered Bridges ride ... So ... let's take my favorite poker run from PARR. Unless Chris Norloff *does* show up with his sidecar rig in which case we can change the route to go by White's Ferry and let him give a run at getting across. :-) This route stays south of DC and runs out toward Warrenton and points south. It is great ride with a lot of desolate back road twisties (some slow, some high speed sweepers), but does not go up into the mountains as I remember it. Other's of you may have taken it, it was the June 22 Vietnam Veteran's Charity Ride route sponsored and planned by PARR. Great route. They had a choice of two routes (long and short) and I was one of only two rider's to take the long route in the >90 degree heat. It is about 220 miles. We can play it by ear though and cut it short as appropriate. So, PARR started the route at Thunder USA on Route 1 south in Woodbridge. Since it meets in a BIG shopping center and there is plenty of room to gather there, let's just go ahead and meet there. Everybody show up between 9:00 and 9:30am, for a 9:45 start. (Note: we {I}need to be back by about 4pm as I am flying to NY on business on Sunday night.) Other than that, I will see you all on Sunday. I am leaving from Shirlington if anyone wants to ride down w/me. Tomorrow I will get the run and make copies for all, so be sure to bring your map pockets and tank bags with you. Several of you have ridden with me before and my philosophy is that we will ride as one group at the lowest common denominator of riding skills for the first 30-50 or so miles of the ride. If people want to split into fast groups and slow groups at that point, great. However, for the newbies ... rest assured that you will not be pushed or abandoned. If it is warm enough, I may even try to coax the SO into going and ride two-up. See you Sunday. Later, chris PS. If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: cfagan@XXXXXX[SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 9:51 PM >To: 'dc-cycles' >Subject: RE: Sunday Ride > >At 12:35 PM 12/10/97 -0500, Meier, Christopher wrote: --snip-- >I vote for the ride sheet Chris has....two reasons 1) I plan on going, but >I also have some other tentative plans....(pleeaassse honey....I won't be >gone THAT long) 2) I'm not sure how well I could lead the covered bridge >route (need to take a day to run down it again on my own)...I was in follow >mode that day and didn't really pay attention to where we were at. In >addition, part of the route went up the side of a mountain...might run into >some more of that icky white stuff up there.... >Speaking of that, I looked like a popsickle when I got to work yesterday >morning!! Talk about hard to see...it kept layering on my shield. --snip-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 08:31:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23420; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14023; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23927; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AAC32330142; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:39 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971211082038.0098e210@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:20:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>I always have to laugh when I see cagers that think they can prevent a bike >>from merging in. On a bike you have the extreme advantage of being able to >>see the absolute extremes of your vehicle. Carefully watching the car in >>front, I slip in behind them about 6 inches off the bumper and then back >>off once I'm in the lane. Unless traffic is at a true standstill, there is >>no way that a cage can ride close enough to the one in front of it to keep >>you out. > >I figured this one out about two months ago, and it was a huge >revelation. By judiciously taking full advantage of the size of a >motorcycle, you can really do some things that you can't do in a cage. It >was one of the times when I first started thinking more like a biker than >a cager. I prefer to use the cycle's narrow width to stay between the lanes, not necessarily lane split, but position myself for escaping between the cars. Since rear-end collisions are the most common accident (both nationwide and in this area), I'm very reluctant to get sandwiched with a car in front and one behind. >(Although, lately, I have been slipping into 'cage' mode far too >often on the bike. Slight lack of attention, a little lazy in checking >things before or while riding... Any advice on how to overcome this?) Oh, the next near-miss should take care of that! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 08:31:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23427; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14030; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23935; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AAC22330142; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:38 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971211080516.00964a80@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:05:16 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Sunday Ride In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I agree with Leon, the water's not hard enough yet for a crossing. The big problem with the sidecar rig is that all the flotation is on the right, but all the weight is on the left. It takes a lot of counter-leaning to keep it balanced. Chris Norloff ******************************************************** At 12:35 PM 12/10/97 -0500, Meier, Christopher wrote: >Nah. I figure if I just ... get up ... enough ... speed ... >I mean c'mon guys the water's not THAT wide at that point and with the >technology of today's tires ... > >Then again, maybe Chris Norloff's sidecar rig has enough displacement to >be buoyant enough to get across. Whatcha think, Chris? > >Later, >chris >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >------------ >Christopher A. Meier >meierch@XXXXXX >Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA >1994 RF900R AMA #470094 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >------------ > > >>---------- >>From: Leon Begeman[SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 11:41 AM >>To: Jordan, Michael >>Cc: 'dc-cycles' >>Subject: Re: Sunday Ride >> >>I agree, it isn't nearly cold enough to do it by bike yet. >>Leon. >> >>Jordan, Michael wrote: >> >>> >I would still like to do White's Ferry by bike... >>> >>> Chris, it's better to do it by boat - trust me on this... >>> >>> Michael Jordan >> >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 08:31:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23430; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14031; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23937; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AAC12330142; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:37 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971211075530.009755d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:55:30 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D3774@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:31 AM 12/10/97 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >One thing I hate: stupid cagers who won't let me merge when it's my >turn. I sit there thinking, should I just rev it up & scream past him >or just let him do his thing? Patience has NEVER been one of my >virtues. I think to myself, "Are you stupid? Do you even have ANY IDEA >how much faster this bike is than your stupid CAR!!??" I choose a spot for my merge and move quickly to position myself on the merge lane right across from the spot. Turn signal on, I move assertively to a position about 2 ft. from the white line, still in the merge lane. I then check my mirrors, do a head check, and if I have room I move over, to a position about 2 ft. on the other side of the white line. I don't cross behind the car in front of me until I have enough room to do it safely. When squeezing in, I always stay to the left or right in my lane to stay positioned for splitting between cars if I need to escape a bad situation. This technique takes advantage of the acceleration of a bike to position myself quickly at my desired merge point. I use the movement within my lane and the turn signal to tell the driver behind what I want to do. I find the movement within the lane to be more effective than a turn signal at getting a response from the driver behind. In thick traffic when it's bumper-to-bumper and one car from one lane goes then one car from another lane goes, it's more difficult because the car drivers will play chicken with me. There I find that assertively positioning myself, I can usually squeeze in. If the car driver accelerates to block me, then there is usually a space behind the blocker, so I brake and move in behind the blocker. it works well for me, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 08:42:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23590; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14276; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24121; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:42:38 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA022BF255@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Manassas Honda Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:44:59 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) I had my uh faulty speedometer cable replaced there. There were super friendly and replaced it parts and labor for $39. I'd recommend them. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Does anyone have any experience with Manassas Honda? Good? Bad? > O.K.? > Thanks. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 08:47:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23694; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14393; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from notes.sbd.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24290; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 8525656A.004B8086 ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:44:41 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: jcarver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525656A.004B6C5E.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:51:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Manassas Honda Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII We've not bought anything from them, but we've been in there several times to look. They do seem willing to bargain, though. My boyfriend was looking at some 'Wings, and they did their best to work with him. Turned out that he just couldnt' afford it, but they were working on a pretty good deal, if he'd had the money. I didn't care too much for the way they dealt with me when I was looking at replacing my Rebel 450. I was looking at a 600 - 750 size bike, and they kept pushing and pushing me to the Shadow because the seat was so low. I had to explain to them a number of times that, yes the seat was very low, but the pegs were so far forward that my little ol' short legs just couldn't reach! They kept telling me that I should scoot forward on the seat. If they'd had their way, I'd have been sitting on the gas tank so I could reach the pegs. But like I said - Roy was treated well and could have gotten a pretty good deal. As a side note - they have offered their shop as a starting point for a few PARR poker runs. Caron jcarver@XXXXXX on 12/11/97 08:19:28 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Caron Rose/Solutions By Design/US) Subject: Manassas Honda Does anyone have any experience with Manassas Honda? Good? Bad? O.K.? Thanks. --John B-6 Green From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 09:20:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24133; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15105; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqmail.usda.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24996; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from x400@localhost) by hqmail.usda.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03524 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:19:56 -0500 (EST) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-MTS-Identifier: [/P=GOV+USDA/A=ATTMAIL/C=US/;348FF90A.CBAE.00AD.000] Content-Identifier: Re. switching oi Expiry-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 0:00:00 -0500 UA-Content-Id: Re. switching oi Autoforwarded: FALSE Priority: Normal Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Personal Received: by ATTMAIL; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 9:03:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 9:03:00 -0500 From: Robert B Vance Subject: Re. switching oils -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (Receipt Notification Requested) Message-Id: <348FF90A.CBAE.00AD.000@MHS> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME >>> RDWOODJR@XXXXXX@i 12/10/97 01:58pm >>> << Another question then. If I switch to synthetics and notice seal leaks, can I then switch back to the regular stuff without any problems? Or is this a case of 'once it starts leaking, it keeps on leaking'? >> Dale, my few personal experiences indicated that switching back to petro oil didn't stop the leak. Richard Wood """""""""""""""""""""" OK,OK! I'll be the one to suggest what's on most everyones mind anyway: the obvious solution is to run a blend of synthetic & non-synthetic oil in your machine.... as I do in my '86 K-75 BMW (with absolutly no harmful after effects!). Bob! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 09:26:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24200; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15179; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25136; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA16110 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:26:31 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma016089; Thu, 11 Dec 97 09:26:27 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id JAA14700 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881850226; Thu, 11 Dec 97 09:23:47 -0500 Message-Id: <9712118818.AA881850226@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 09:20:46 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Sat ride anyone? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some of us can't deal with just one day of weekend riding. Seeing as we're headed south on Sunday, who's up for a short (150-200 total miles) trip north? I've no problem going alone, but the offer's there should anyone care to join. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 10:33:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25472; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17463; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27038; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA01819; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:32:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA06189; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:32:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971211153226.DOCO28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:32:26 -0600 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:15 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The DMV!!! Was: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971211153226.DOCO28757@[166.41.242.141]> Chris Norloff wrote >I prefer to use the cycle's narrow width to stay between the lanes, not >necessarily lane split, but position myself for escaping between the cars. > >Since rear-end collisions are the most common accident (both nationwide and >in this area), I'm very reluctant to get sandwiched with a car in front and >one behind. Had to have my VA drivers license renewed and take the test as part of the process last night. Most all of the questions asked are (should be) no brainers (guess that's why they're called BDCs). But I noted two questions about motorcycles. 1) How many motorcycle accidents involve a car (annually) - Ans: more than half of all accidents. 2) When passing a motorcycle you should (beep, flash lights ...blah) - Ans: never use any portion of the cyclists lane. And that was all. I remember taking this test the last time I needed to renew (you take it if you've been convicted for some driving infraction :)). Then there were no questions about motorcycles. Thank progress for the two they have now....sheesh. I also noted that they do not require you to take the written moto-test as well, but you still get the endorsement =:o One of the answers to a question made me laugh out loud. There is a picture of a car sliding away on a warning sign. The question is stated "when you see this sign it means"...drunk drivers ahead. On a side note I got to experience the new DMV take a number process. It seemed like it could work with the 11 windows they have to help you. Of course only 3 windows were operating and it still took over an hour to get out of there. At least they had plenty of seating to while-away. Second side note: Four people were denied their license; 2 for poor eyesight, one (after spending 35 minutes) for failing the test and one for not having proper translation papers(??). Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 10:53:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26020; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17798; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28005; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA06366; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:50:43 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D379F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: BIKE WOULDN'T START!! Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:49:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ugh. My redheaded temper got a chance to flare this morning when my bike wouldn't start! I almost wore down the battery with the multitudinous attempts. (DUH) My roommate came down just as I was ripping my leathers off & throwing them at the wall. He gave me the following hints: put a hot large pan of water under the oil first thing in the morning & let it sit for 10 minutes, then open the (I have no idea what it's called but I think it controls the choke) all the way & it should fire up...wish me luck tonight! I'm going to try it so the battery won't die from the damn thing sitting. Has anyone tried the above-mentioned hints & does anyone have any more hints? I can't roll-start it 'cause if it doesn't start I'm not strong enough to get it back up the hill. Yes, I am addicted. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 10:58:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26092; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17826; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28158; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:58:28 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: <8877ffc0.34900b58@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:48:38 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 97-12-11 08:38:00 EST, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > I > find the movement within the lane to be more effective than a turn signal > at getting a response from the driver behind. Do you find that hand signals get good responses? Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 11:27:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26844; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18147; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29181; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA31591 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:32:13 -0500 Message-ID: <34901426.50BDDC22@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:26:14 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: BIKE WOULDN'T START!! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D379F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) you can use automotive jumper cables to start the bike after the battery dies. (Don't overheat the starter motor on the bike - with or without the jumper cables) 2) One of those electric heaters with a hot air fan would work very effectively under a bike cover. 3) If it's water cooled, it should be possible to install a coolant heater like all the cars in Minnesota have. 4) A dipstick heater should also work on a bike. 5) It probably wouldn't stick to the bike, but a magnetic oil pan heater would also work if you could keep it in place. 6) Park the bike indoors overnight - (this is the solution I use, got to keep the Labrador Retriever puppies warm, and there's still room in the garage for the bike) 7) Buy a can of starter fluid, REMOVE AIR FILTER BEFORE USE, that stuff will start a bike right up even in the coldest weather. Carry it along so you can start the bike before you go home. It wouldn't hurt to have a fire extinguisher nearby when you use this stuff the first couple of times. Trust me on these safety tips - It's probably also a good idea to put your earplugs in BEFORE you try to start the bike. Use starter fluid sparingly! 8) If you haven't done it already, use thinner oil in winter, I saw some 0W-30 out there somewhere. Thick oil makes the bike turn over slower putting more wear on the starter moter as well as making it less likely to start. Leon. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Ugh. My redheaded temper got a chance to flare this morning when my > bike wouldn't start! I almost wore down the battery with the > multitudinous attempts. (DUH) > > My roommate came down just as I was ripping my leathers off & throwing > them at the wall. He gave me the following hints: put a hot large pan > of water under the oil first thing in the morning & let it sit for 10 > minutes, then open the (I have no idea what it's called but I think it > controls the choke) all the way & it should fire up...wish me luck > tonight! I'm going to try it so the battery won't die from the damn > thing sitting. Has anyone tried the above-mentioned hints & does anyone > have any more hints? I can't roll-start it 'cause if it doesn't start > I'm not strong enough to get it back up the hill. > > Yes, I am addicted. > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 11:57:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27422; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18470; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00030; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525656A.005CB596 ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:52:37 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525656A.005BA688.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:50:16 -0500 Subject: Re: BIKE WOULDN'T START!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=kFl0NfybtZjsOLEmxKadby8OdjpeDj4HZuWDynkCvnisaQWWhlEp4Qn3" --0__=kFl0NfybtZjsOLEmxKadby8OdjpeDj4HZuWDynkCvnisaQWWhlEp4Qn3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jeanette, The water might heat your oil to where it flows a little easier...another option would be to switch to a synthetic oil (they don't get all thick and slow-flowing when its cold)...of course maybe you've been thinking about this already and having one more person suggest it might be enough to send you over the edge.. :-) As for opening the choke, yeah, definitely do that. My '81 GS 750L wouldn't start on a hot summer day without the choke...granted after a minute of warming up the engine I've already pushed the choke all the way in, but without it, it wont start. (disregard the following if you already know how the choke works) Quick note on the choke: gasoline is a great fuel and engines love it...gasoline will burn and make the engine run even if the mixture of air to fuel isn't correct (correct meaning the correct ratio to make the combination of fuel and air to burn with the greatest effeciency). When you "open" the choke, you're actually letting in less air (on mine you can see the flaps closing over the mouth of the carb)...this helps the engine warm up, get the oil flowing, etc....after a few minutes of this the engine will start to race (its warming up and can handle more air)...when the choke is all the way "in" you've opened the carbs to the amount of air they're designed to handle. Anyway, just my $0.02...hope you get your bike running tonight! -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX finally moving back to northern VA in Jan.!! (Embedded image moved "O'Brien, Jeannette" to file: at AMS-Internet PIC22811.PCX) 12/11/97 11:10 AM To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: Douglas Brashear Subject: BIKE WOULDN'T START!! Ugh. My redheaded temper got a chance to flare this morning when my bike wouldn't start! I almost wore down the battery with the multitudinous attempts. (DUH) My roommate came down just as I was ripping my leathers off & throwing them at the wall. He gave me the following hints: put a hot large pan of water under the oil first thing in the morning & let it sit for 10 minutes, then open the (I have no idea what it's called but I think it controls the choke) all the way & it should fire up...wish me luck tonight! I'm going to try it so the battery won't die from the damn thing sitting. Has anyone tried the above-mentioned hints & does anyone have any more hints? I can't roll-start it 'cause if it doesn't start I'm not strong enough to get it back up the hill. 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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:01:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Depending on the make of your bike this might work.... Go to an auto parts store and buy an oil heater, either the dip stick = type, or the magnetic type which you place on the side of your engine = block. Alter the dip stick so that it will fit inside of your oil = reservoir, or but the magnet on the side of the crankcase. Plug in for = 20 min, and return. This will get your engine reasonably warm. Remove = and start. Or just get a can of starting ether. Although, with the temp in the lower 40s this morning, you problem may = not be cold weather starting. I've gotten my Bonnie started in the low = 30's w/o a block heater or starting ether , with less than 6 kicks... BTB: the mental image of "ripping my leathers off", I can't seem to = shake it. YMMV rwj -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 10:50 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: BIKE WOULDN'T START!! Ugh. My redheaded temper got a chance to flare this morning when my bike wouldn't start! I almost wore down the battery with the multitudinous attempts. (DUH) My roommate came down just as I was ripping my leathers off & throwing them at the wall. He gave me the following hints: put a hot large pan of water under the oil first thing in the morning & let it sit for 10 minutes, then open the (I have no idea what it's called but I think it controls the choke) all the way & it should fire up...wish me luck tonight! I'm going to try it so the battery won't die from the damn thing sitting. Has anyone tried the above-mentioned hints & does anyone have any more hints? I can't roll-start it 'cause if it doesn't start I'm not strong enough to get it back up the hill. Yes, I am addicted. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 12:37:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28473; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19304; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01798; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA08159 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:37:08 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma008126; Thu, 11 Dec 97 12:36:53 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA19677 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881861652; Thu, 11 Dec 97 12:34:12 -0500 Message-Id: <9712118818.AA881861652@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 12:33:29 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: BIKE WOULDN'T START!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First - you need help. :P Seeing that I have a tendency to ride year-round, and have the same bike - I must say that it's not the engine temp that's a problem. I've never had much problem with engine temp when starting, even while living in MT and riding in -20 degree temps. It MIGHT take a couple of cranks for the engine to cetch, but it always did. Leon, you are known for 'extreme' riding - what's your opinion? Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ BTB: the mental image of "ripping my leathers off", I can't seem to shake it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 12:52:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28754; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19654; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02133; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A847144014E; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:52:10 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971211122822.0098f810@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:28:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... In-Reply-To: <8877ffc0.34900b58@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:48 AM 12/11/97 EST, MARKSOMM wrote: >In a message dated 97-12-11 08:38:00 EST, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > >> I >> find the movement within the lane to be more effective than a turn signal >> at getting a response from the driver behind. > >Do you find that hand signals get good responses? > >Mark Generally, yes. If I'm braking to turn, and want to alert drivers behind me, I find hand signals are great. They're also good if I can't get someone to let me in as I try to merge. This time of season, though, I'm usually riding in twilight or dark (commuting) and my winter gloves are black -- people have a very hard time seeing my hands. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 13:04:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29075; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19827; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02613; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA09214 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:04:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199712111804.AA09214@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:04:28 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:04:28 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:04:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:01:56 -0500 Subject: Re[2]: BIKE WOULDN'T START!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9712118818.AA881861652@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME this just sounds to me like a classic case of a weak battery...it's not cold enough yet to have that big of an impact on starting. Have the cells checked, or if you don't know how old the battery is, I'd recommend buying a fresh, new one. If you're having problems with it starting now (~40F), you'll definately have problems when it drops below freezing. Weak/dying batteries on bikes (just like cages), tends to manifest themselves as soon as the weather starts to cool down. cheers, -aki > > First - you need help. :P > > Seeing that I have a tendency to ride year-round, and have the same > bike - I must say that it's not the engine temp that's a problem. > I've never had much problem with engine temp when starting, even while > living in MT and riding in -20 degree temps. It MIGHT take a couple > of cranks for the engine to cetch, but it always did. Leon, you are > known for 'extreme' riding - what's your opinion? > > Brian > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > > > BTB: the mental image of "ripping my leathers off", I can't seem to shake it. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 13:21:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29348; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20037; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03018; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA02017; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:26:41 -0500 Message-ID: <34902EF6.63727D93@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:20:39 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BIKE WOULDN'T START!! References: <9712118818.AA881861652@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy asked: > Leon, you are > known for 'extreme' riding - what's your opinion? > > Brian That reputation is mostly hype, I've never ridden in weather colder than -10F. Of the things I mentioned, the one's I've used are: 1) jumper cables 2) electric heaters with a hot air fan 6) Park indoors 7) starter fluid 8) thinner oil Jumper cables and starter fluid are the cheapest and most effective. Starter fluid has the potential for making some really neat fires and explosions. If you can keep the fire/explosion inside the engine it will start. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 13:23:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29388; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20046; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03060; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:23:10 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <7636ddea.34902e08@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:16:38 EST To: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: BIKE WOULDN'T START!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) ha! I did exactly THAT just the other day .... now I need to jump the thing..... :( In a message dated 12/11/97 11:47:22 AM, mrider@XXXXXX wrote: << Ugh. My redheaded temper got a chance to flare this morning when my > bike wouldn't start! I almost wore down the battery with the > multitudinous attempts. (DUH)>> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 13:38:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29738; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:38:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20267; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:38:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03566; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA02457 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:44:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3490330B.7392B30E@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:38:03 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Need to borrow a bike. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have a small (400cc or less) motorcycle that my son Mike can use to take his Motorcycle riding test in Virginia. My Ninja doesn't handle worth a damn at slow speeds. Horkster's KZ1000 is better at slow speeds than my Ninja 250. Mike hasn't officially taken the beginner rider course, but I have had him do the exercises both on his moped and on my Ninja. It would sure be nice to be able to trade bikes once in a while when we're out riding. If you're concerned about Mike's riding experience, check out my web page at http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 14:13:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01153; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20909; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05532; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA17999; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA28021; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971211191146.OMOR6587@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:11:46 -0500 Message-ID: <34903AE4.59C1FCC5@mci.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:11:33 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Need to borrow a bike. References: <3490330B.7392B30E@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon, Thank you for the compliment. My LTD is blushing! :-) I've told you already the niggling little things that are bothering my KZ 400. I wouldn't feel comfortable letting an inexperienced rider take it for a spin. Your son Mike definitely does not fall in the inexperienced category. He is welcome to use it provided I can get it started. Guess I'll go home tonight and throw the battery charger on for a little while. Dale (the Horkster) Leon Begeman wrote: > Does anyone have a small (400cc or less) motorcycle that my son Mike can > use to take his Motorcycle riding test in Virginia. My Ninja doesn't > handle worth a damn at slow speeds. Horkster's KZ1000 is better at > slow speeds than my Ninja 250. Mike hasn't officially taken the > beginner rider course, but I have had him do the exercises both on his > moped and on my Ninja. It would sure be nice to be able to trade bikes > once in a while when we're out riding. If you're concerned about Mike's > riding experience, check out my web page at > http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider > > Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 14:34:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01574; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21350; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06312; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA27046; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA02884; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971211193329.ENRK215@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:33:29 -0600 Message-ID: <34903FFB.AD4601B6@mci.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:33:15 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Sunday Ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey! I resemble that remark! I plan on being there Sunday. Hope we have a good turnout! Dale (the Horkster) Meier, Christopher wrote: > I knew in the back of my mind when I posted my opinion regarding the > route, some wise-acher would volunteer me to lead this rabble rousing, > raggedy bunch of degenerate bikers. Ride info below: > This route stays south of DC and runs out toward Warrenton and points > south. It is great ride with a lot of desolate back road twisties (some > slow, some high speed sweepers), but does not go up into the mountains > as I remember it. It is about 220 miles. We can play it by ear though > and cut it > short as appropriate. > > So, PARR started the route at Thunder USA on Route 1 south in > Woodbridge. Since it meets in a BIG shopping center and there is plenty > of room to gather there, let's just go ahead and meet there. Everybody > show up between 9:00 and 9:30am, for a 9:45 start. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 20:22:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08505; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28594; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07749; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:22:26 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <32e6c2ca.349091aa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:21:44 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat ride anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Count me in.....in fact a Saturday ride would be easier for me than the Sunday one. Of course that DOESNT mean that I am backing out of Sunday. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 20:26:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08534; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28622; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07858; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA14514; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:26:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3490BD49.1E3F@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:27:53 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: George Howell Subject: Attention Slipping [was Re: No Slippity-Slip] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > figured this one out about two months ago, and it was a huge > revelation. By judiciously taking full advantage of the size of a > motorcycle, you can really do some things that you can't do in a cage. It > was one of the times when I first started thinking more like a biker than > a cager. (Although, lately, I have been slipping into 'cage' mode far too > often on the bike. Slight lack of attention, a little lazy in checking > things before or while riding... Any advice on how to overcome this?) George, This a big no-no. Never be too comforatble on the bike. I find my adrenalin is always on "yellow alert" whenever I ride. Maybe it's the result of the accident I had twenty years ago. Hope that's not what you need ! JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 21:02:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08894; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28819; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08415; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA15198; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:02:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3490C595.4002@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:03:17 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: Re[?]: BIKE WOULDN'T START!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aki wrote in response to Ms. O'Brien: > this just sounds to me like a classic case of a weak battery...it's > not cold enough yet to have that big of an impact on starting. > > Have the cells checked, or if you don't know how old the battery is, > I'd recommend buying a fresh, new one. If you're having problems > with it starting now (~40F), you'll definately have problems when > it drops below freezing. > > Weak/dying batteries on bikes (just like cages), tends to manifest themselves > as soon as the weather starts to cool down. ... And a bunch of other people waxed about oil heaters and other strange devices: OK gang, I agree with Aki. The rest of youse guys should know that Jeannette has a Honda V4. My V4 engine starts up all the time even when temps fell into low teens last winter - no problemo! (And apparently so does Brian's VF500...) I might have suggested water (condensation) could be getting in the system, but as was mentioned it has really not been cold enough (not in Arlington anyway)... Jeannette, check your battery. If it's cool, then when was the last time the bike received a carburetor inspection? JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 11 22:44:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09997; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29267; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10148; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21522; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:42:45 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06359; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:42:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:42:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712120342.WAA06359@clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BIKE WOULDN'T START!! Cc: hacker@XXXXXX From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: BIKE WOULDN'T START!! Yes, I am addicted. - Jeannette And like all worthy addictions or loves, it will consume your wallet, your time, your dreams and your soul... - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 00:22:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11563; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00996; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12196; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.141] (unverified [205.177.250.141]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:25:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 00:21:53 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Oh, the next near-miss should take care of that! In one way or another. Thanks for all the help! :) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 00:22:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11564; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00992; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12192; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.141] (unverified [205.177.250.141]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:25:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The DMV!!! Was: No Slippity-Slip (Newbie Mini-Report)... Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 00:21:49 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >On a side note I got to experience the new DMV take a number process. >It seemed like it could work with the 11 windows they have to help >you. Of course only 3 windows were operating and it still took over >an hour to get out of there. At least they had plenty of seating to >while-away. Sounds like they are using the (lousy) system we have here in Waldorf. Thank goodness I should be able to go a few years before going back (went there 5 times in the past year. Two for licensing, one for an ID, and twice for registration) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 01:06:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11885; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01241; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12815; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.141] (unverified [205.177.250.141]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:09:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Attention Slipping [was Re: No Slippity-Slip] Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 01:05:51 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >This a big no-no. Never be too comforatble on the bike. I find my >adrenalin is always on "yellow alert" whenever I ride. Maybe it's the >result of the accident I had twenty years ago. Hope that's not what you >need ! Same here. Course, given how infrequently I've been able to ride lately, I'm sure I'll be at DefCon3 (or higher:) next time out (this Sunday, hopefully) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 01:17:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11987; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01312; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12957; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA07302; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:23:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:23:50 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: electric handlebar heaters Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi...A couple of weeks ago I bought some cartridge-type electric hand warmers. I installed a set and have tried them out. Here's what I've found: (1) It takes about 10 minutes before my hands (in heavy mittens) feel much heat. If you use foam grips, it may take longer; thinner gloves, less time. (2) This model ("Polly" brand, made in USA) comes with an on/off switch (the only moving part). I may add a variable resistor if I get tired of turning them off and on. So far, I've not turned them off (outside temp in low 40s F (5C); longest ride 40 minutes). (3) Heating element fits inside the handlebars: solid bars won't work. Each draws 2 amps, about 50 watts for the pair. Turn them off when starting a cold bike. Thus far the notorious Suzuki charging system is ok. (4) Installation requires drilling 1 or 2 3/8-inch (10 mm) holes in the handlebars, and attaching 1 wire from each heater to any convenient positive-voltage wire that's dead when the key's off (i.e, don't wire directly to the battery). Other wire is a ground. Rubber grommets (in kit) were stiff (it was cold) and hard to insert; I would try RTV rubber. I estimate 1-2 hours for first-time installation. Overall, I'm satisfied. I have no others to compare them to, but these work, are simple, and inexpensive. If you want one, I have eight kits for sale, @ $20. --garcia "Many are cold, but few are frozen." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 01:38:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12129; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01444; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13201; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA26405; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:34:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:28:42 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Battley's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19971209170213.AAA18241@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, kevin thomas wrote: > My own impression of Battleys is a few of their sales guys really suck, and > give a bad impression of the place. Some others are good, the parts guys > are good, and so are the service guys. I agree.The sales guys tried to hose me big time when I tried to trade in the Buell for a Sporty;they gave me a ballpark figure,then the next day cut $1600 off it.They also have outrageous prices for Harley's. The service guys are cool though.YT was able to get me some updated '97 parts for my bike when I put in a warranty claim with them.And I've gotten loaner bikes from them when mine were in the shop.When was the last time you heard of a bike dealer doing that? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 01:47:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12210; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01507; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13269; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA26441; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:42:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:38:15 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Meier, Christopher wrote: > So, PARR started the route at Thunder USA on Route 1 south in > Woodbridge. Since it meets in a BIG shopping center and there is plenty > of room to gather there, let's just go ahead and meet there. Everybody > show up between 9:00 and 9:30am, for a 9:45 start. (Note: we {I}need to > be back by about 4pm as I am flying to NY on business on Sunday night.) Cool.I should most deffinitely be able to make this one,but I also need to be somewhere at 1600(4pm to you civvies). The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 02:38:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12847; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02325; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA14024; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:38:44 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:38:04 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Two simple questions.......... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) First, Im experiecing face shield fogging problems since I bought my new helmet (old was stolen out of my car). What are suggestions as to how to fix this? Its getting REALLY annoying. Also, my TL has almost 3000 miles on it. Im thinking of switching to synthetics shortly. When should I do it? Any special procedures? Info? Comments? Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 03:03:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA13043; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA02501; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:02:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from bretweir.total.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA14277; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from win95b (ppp-annex-0257.que.total.net [205.236.100.211]) by bretweir.total.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA03736; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:01:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712120801.DAA03736@bretweir.total.net> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:01:35 -0500 To: WantA ZX6 From: "J.Paul Dinan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Two simple questions.......... In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.12 On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:38:04 EST WantA ZX6 wrote: > First, Im experiecing face shield fogging problems since I bought my new > helmet IMHO, fogging is not a simple problem... unless I have missed something. There are quick fixes like opening up the shield a bit to let in some air or holding your breath, but these everyone knows. I have heard that rubbing a small amount of dishwashing soap, then wiping off till clear, on the inside of the shield will prevent fogging. I've never bothered to try it though. There are usually attachments you can purchase that will cover your nostrils and direct the humid air downwards so as not to fog up your shield. Try these for fit before buying. Or you can use duct tape to the same end. Finally, there are snowmobile shields made like double glass with an air pocket in between to prevent fogging but these are usually not acceptable for motorcycle helmets. I once purchased a cheap snowmobile helmet with one of these shields for fall-winter riding but found it did not work very well. The helmet itself was so crummy it was loose after a week. Keep it for occ. 2 up riding. Apnea works well. :/ Cheers ================== J. Paul Dinan delinquent manic lunatic frequent flying anti-social biker-scum Quebec, Canada... where summer is from July 28 to August 1st 96 Katana 750 90 FJ1200 83? GS650 ================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 03:18:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA13140; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA02560; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA14426; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA27454; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:13:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:53:24 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: BIKE WOULDN'T START!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D379F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll also go with the battery being the prob.How old is it?This is the time of year when old batteries start to give up the ghost. Even if you're getting enough juice for the lights,you can still have a dead cell which will keep you from starting. BTW,about what your roomie said about using the choke;have you been using the choke?Bikes don't have automatic chokes like cages and need direct operator input(a common newbie mistake).You'll need full choke to start on a cold day.Once it lights up,adjust it untill the motor is doing about twice idle speed._Don't_ let the motor rip up to about 5k rpm and let it stay there.Your oil pressure won't be up yet and you'll be accelerating wear.Let the bike warm up until it will idle with just a little choke,then go ahead and ride for a mile or two before you shut it all the way off. BTW,with all the talk of winter riding,I'm surprised the subject of carb icing hasn't come up more.The Nighthawk S I had in England (due to the climate) and my '86 VFR(due to Cali emission gear) used to both ice up like crazy whenever it was cold and damp.For the newbies,you can tell you're carbs are icing when you're just starting off and the bike won't stay running unless you use the choke and keep the motor spinning in it's midrange.The best fix I found was to just pull over and let the motor die.I'd let the bike sit for a minute or two,and the heat from the engine would thaw out the carbs and let me get going again normally. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 03:24:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA13183; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA02642; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA14488; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA27474; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:19:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:14:51 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Mid-Life Crisis To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, I just got my 20 year AMA card in the mail today.Does this make me an Olde Pharte?I'm only 28.I don't need to get a Goldwing yet,do I? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 04:36:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA13984; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03315; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from bas01.csfb.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA15608; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailuser@localhost) by bas01.csfb.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) id EAA22166 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:35:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(169.39.5.57) by bas01 via smap (3.2) id xma022080; Fri, 12 Dec 97 04:34:43 -0500 Received: from mailhost.csfp.co.uk (hsi1n.gb.csfp.csh.com [159.156.54.51]) by csfb1.fir.fbc.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id EAA20230 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from slon13300.csfp.co.uk (exchange [159.156.1.81]) by mailhost.csfp.co.uk (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA28687 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:34:31 GMT Received: by slon13300 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:34:31 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Sparkes, Chris" To: "'J.Paul Dinan'" , WantA ZX6 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Two simple questions.......... Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:34:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I use Bob Heath de-mister. It's a spray that you wipe on the inside of your visor. It's cheap, works well and is easy to apply. It's a lot better than washing-up liquid, believe me! A friend of mine used to dab a little vaseline at the far left or right of his visor, to give the moisture something tho condense on. He said that it worked well, but I've never been convinced enough to try it! Chris Sparkes GSF600S CREDIT|Financial Products SUISSE| EMAIL :- chris.sparkes@XXXXXX PHONE :- +44 (171) 888 2862 FAX :- +44 (171) 888 2679 > -----Original Message----- > From: J.Paul Dinan [SMTP:litestuf@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 8:02 AM > To: WantA ZX6 > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; suzuki-l@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Two simple questions.......... > > > > On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:38:04 EST > WantA ZX6 wrote: > > > First, Im experiecing face shield fogging problems since I bought my > new > > helmet > > IMHO, fogging is not a simple problem... unless I have missed > something. > There are quick fixes like opening up the shield a bit to let in some > air or holding your breath, but these everyone knows. I have heard > that > rubbing a small amount of dishwashing soap, then wiping off till > clear, > on the inside of the shield will prevent fogging. I've never bothered > to > try it though. > > There are usually attachments you can purchase that will cover your > nostrils and direct the humid air downwards so as not to fog up your > shield. Try these for fit before buying. Or you can use duct tape to > the > same end. > > Finally, there are snowmobile shields made like double glass with an > air > pocket in between to prevent fogging but these are usually not > acceptable for motorcycle helmets. I once purchased a cheap snowmobile > helmet with one of these shields for fall-winter riding but found it > did > not work very well. The helmet itself was so crummy it was loose after > a > week. Keep it for occ. 2 up riding. > > Apnea works well. :/ > > Cheers > ================== > J. Paul Dinan delinquent manic lunatic frequent flying anti-social > biker-scum > Quebec, Canada... where summer is from July 28 to August 1st > 96 Katana 750 > 90 FJ1200 > 83? GS650 > > ================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 07:33:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15090; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04391; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17186; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA12252 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD06D0.2FC29F10@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:33:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Gil M. Nissley'" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:32:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Gil M. Nissley[SMTP:gnissley@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 8:38 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Sunday Ride > >On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Meier, Christopher wrote: >> So, PARR started the route at Thunder USA on Route 1 south in >> Woodbridge. Since it meets in a BIG shopping center and there is plenty >> of room to gather there, let's just go ahead and meet there. Everybody >> show up between 9:00 and 9:30am, for a 9:45 start. (Note: we {I}need to >> be back by about 4pm as I am flying to NY on business on Sunday night.) > > Cool.I should most deffinitely be able to make this one,but I >also need to be somewhere at 1600(4pm to you civvies). Shouldn't be a problem ... I would like to finish around the same time and "preferably" before dark. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 08:20:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15442; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04755; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17798; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA13415 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:20:26 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma013388; Fri, 12 Dec 97 08:20:20 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA10115 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881932657; Fri, 12 Dec 97 08:17:38 -0500 Message-Id: <9712128819.AA881932657@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 08:17:07 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Carb Icing.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happened to me this very morning - I guess I'm used to it so I don't think about warning anyone.. I did as you mentioned - let the bike die and sit for a minute or so - started right up and ran fine after that. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ BTW,with all the talk of winter riding,I'm surprised the subject of carb icing hasn't come up more.The Nighthawk S I had in England (due to the climate) and my '86 VFR(due to Cali emission gear) used to both ice up like crazy whenever it was cold and damp.For the newbies,you can tell you're carbs are icing when you're just starting off and the bike won't stay running unless you use the choke and keep the motor spinning in it's midrange.The best fix I found was to just pull over and let the motor die.I'd let the bike sit for a minute or two,and the heat from the engine would thaw out the carbs and let me get going again normally. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 08:30:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15510; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04847; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17912; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA14251 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 05:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD06D8.2F0F5B00@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:30:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'John C. Kozyn'" , "'dc-cycles'" , "'John Carver'" , "'Dave Choat'" Subject: RE: Thunder USA Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:29:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit !!!!!ATTENTION ALL SUNDAY RIDERS!!!!! A few of you have asked the same question as John ... Where is Thunder USA? Never mind, because I can't find a listing for them in the Phone Book, and their Ph. # has been disconnected. I think they have gone out of business? Does anyone know for sure? ANYHOW, Let's now meet at CYCLES WOODBRIDGE between 9:00 am and 9:30 am for a 9:45 am start. It is located at 14105 Telegraph Rd. (right off route 1) Call them today or tomorrow (703.497.1500) if you need specific directions, but be aware that they have nothing to do with this ride and will be closed when we meet there Sunday am. (So don't mention it ;-) Also they are located close to where Thunder USA was and the ride sheet starts there, so we can look for strays in the Thunder USA parking lot as we go by. If anyone has any other questions, feel free to let me know by 4pm today, as I will be away from my e-mail between then and when the ride starts on Sunday. Hoping for a good turnout, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: John C. Kozyn[SMTP:jckozyn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 11:31 PM >To: meierch@XXXXXX >Subject: Thunder USA > >Hey Chris, > >Looking forward to the ride on Sunday! > >What and where precisely is Thunder USA? > >JK > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 08:41:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15598; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04929; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18103; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AEC124C0146; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:40:17 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971212083825.0096b6b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:38:25 -0500 To: WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Two simple questions.......... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:38 AM 12/12/97 EST, WantA ZX6 wrote: >First, Im experiecing face shield fogging problems since I bought my new >helmet (old was stolen out of my car). What are suggestions as to how to fix >this? Its getting REALLY annoying. Fog City Fog Shield. (Follow instructions carefully to install it). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 09:09:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15867; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05185; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:08:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18584; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA19639 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:08:57 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma019620; Fri, 12 Dec 97 09:08:35 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id JAA10940 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881935550; Fri, 12 Dec 97 09:05:52 -0500 Message-Id: <9712128819.AA881935550@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 09:05:40 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: riders.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been noticing a trend here in my office lately. I'm a pretty well seen individual around here, what with riding my motorcycle in these 'winter-like' conditions and such. People are always coming up to me and telling me their old MC tales... and almost all the guys either own a bike, and have for years - but put fewer miles a year than I do a month on their bikes - or they wrecked and gave it up. What makes us different from these other people. I know they aren't slackers, because that type of person just doesn't fit my job profile. Is it that we're a little insane? This just bugs me... I mean, if you're prepared a little, a motorcycle seems like the perfect way of traveling (minor exceptions of hauling couches and families). So why do so precious few people ride? I guess winter could be a discouragement - but the guys that do have bikes, NEVER rode to work in the summer. One coworker wants me to come look at his bike to see why it's not running - well, it's been sitting for the past 3 months, I wonder why? Argh... I was just accused of going to a 'pajama party' because of my Aerostich - and just a little defensive... sorry. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 09:23:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16026; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05347; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18955; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.158] (unverified [205.177.250.158]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:27:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Battley's Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 09:23:34 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I've gotten loaner bikes from them when mine were in the shop.When >was the last time you heard of a bike dealer doing that? Bob's BMW. Every time. Or so they claim when I spoke to them on the phone. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 09:30:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16145; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05394; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19063; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA13888 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:30:09 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:30:09 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: riders.. Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:30:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >Argh... I was just accused of going to a 'pajama party' because of my >Aerostich - and just a little defensive... sorry. Brian, it's probably just a defense mechanism on thier part... As an ancient Roman philosopher once said: "Non Carborundum Illigitemi" Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 09:44:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16290; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05518; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19348; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA09303; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:43:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:42:26 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D37C2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: riders.. Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:41:34 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain At least you don't get called "Biker Woman," "Biker Babe" or other such nonsense whenever you ride in. Or, this is my favorite: "YOU don't ride, do you!!??" - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 09:44:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16308; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05540; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19369; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA20567 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA18709 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971212144400.FYRH215@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:44:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:26 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: AeroSTich write up X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971212144400.FYRH215@[166.41.242.141]> This cross-posted from ST1100....... For those of you in the market for an AeroStitch garment, this is the best write up I've seen on the topic. Of course leather is probably the safest garment when it comes to flopping and sliding on tarmac, but the AeroStitch is more versatile for everyday riding (IMHO). Todd Forwarded ___________________________________________________ I've been wearing 'Stitches for over 5 years and presently own 3 of them - a 2-piece RoadCrafter; a 1-piece RoadCrafter and a Darien. In my personal opinion they are the best damn pieces of riding apparel I've owned/used in almost 40 years of riding (caveat: as long as you don't require anything larger than US-sized 50 long). All 3 suits are vented/insulated very well so I can ride comfortably from 40 to 90 degrees (F) and with just a slight amount of discomfort above or below those temps (I'm in California, but I've ridden temps varying from 14 degrees to 123 degrees) - you just have to dress appropriately (e.g. layer) underneath them. All the suits are GoreTex lined and have very good weatherproof capabilities, but on the 1 and 2-piece RoadCrafter suits you will 'eventually' get leaks through the front zippers and down to your crotch and seat because the zippers are only 'fronted' with a single flap ('eventually' means that on an unfaired bike this could take all day or happen within 15 minutes - depending on the amount of rain). The Darien has stormflaps (double flaps) in front and a single flap behind the zippers and, for all practical purposes, does NOT leak. Period. All 3 suits can be altered for fit, including adding material as well as removing material. The RoadCrafter suits even offer an 'ellipse' option between the top and bottom of the suit (zip-in on the 2-piece, designed-in on the 1-piece) that allows you to ride bent over on even full-on sport bikes with great comfort. The 1-piece RoadCrafter suit is for convenience and safety - on and off with 2 zippers (about 15-20 seconds) - but you are always in a one-piece suit so there is no chance of the top coming apart from the bottom during an accident. There is slightly less versatility in sizing since you cannot get the jacket and pants in completely different sizes and you have only a single base and ballistic color combination. The 2-piece RoadCrafter suit offers safety and versatility over convenience - you can wear the entire suit; or top only; or bottom only (with or without the optional 'bib overall' attachment). The jacket zips to the pants and you can mix and match base colors and 'ballistics' for individuality. The Darien, as Aerostitch points out, is for 'extreme' weather and is more of a 'system' (pants, 'shell' jacket and zip-in PolarTec liner - all done up with zippers, seams and gussets that don't leak - regardless of conditions ) then just a riding suit. *VERSATILITY* for differing weather conditions is the prime concern so the Darien is slightly less convenient than the 2-piece RoadCrafter to put on/take off and is just a little bit less 'safe' because the separate pants and 'shell' jacket do not join to each other (however the jacket overlaps the pants by a good 8 inches). All 3 suits have hard or soft armor (your choice) underneath the heavyweight Cordura fabric at the shoulders, elbows and knees; with the RoadCrafter suits also offering large areas of ballistic nylon at the same armor points. All 3 suits offer attachment points for additional protection (hip pads, spine protector) as wanted. The RoadCrafters have their armor built into pockets in the lining of the suit itself, while the Darien has its armor in nylon 'pockets' velcro-ed inside the Codura shells. All 3 suits have large underarm vents, a huge, shoulder to shoulder back vent, and the flaps/zipper over the access to your normal pants can also be left open for 'breathability' in hot weather. For extremely hot weather you can also dump lots of water over your inner clothing; leave the suit vents and sleeve/ankle gussets open and it's just like wearing your own personal airconditioning. You can even put ice in all the external pockets (did I mention that with all the pockets on these suits that you almost don't need luggage ) and because of the GoreTex lining you will be chilled, but not wet from the melting ice. VERY NICE!!! Anyway, before I ramble on with the unpaid testimonial... All the Aerostitch suits are great! Depending on which suit you get, they have about 80-95% (Darien -> 2-piece -> 1-piece) of the safety of leather gear; they have 80-99% (2-piece -> 1-piece -> Darien) of the waterproof-ness of pure rainsuits and all of them offer a damn sight more versatility and convenience than either of those other garments - all in one suit. Get one. You will not be disappointed. Mike Stiler p.s. The Darien 'Lite' has less armor and a lighter fabric than the standard Darien - but the same quality of construction and waterproof-ness. '76 Laverda (Jota Prototype Endurance Racer) '78 Yamaha SR500 (Formula Singles Racer) '78 Harley-Davidson FLH ('75th Anniversary edition) '83 Harley-Davidson XR1000 'Joshua' (BOTT/Formula Twins Racer) '84 Honda VF1000R 'Otto' '93 Honda ST1100 'Styler' '94 Honda CB1000 'The Big One' (for the dark side of my psyche) "I'll give up sex before I give up motorcycling" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 09:45:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16316; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05547; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19386; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:44:56 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <77b4da9d.34914cee@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:40:44 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mid-Life Crisis Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Hey all, I just got my 20 year AMA card in the mail today.Does this make me an Olde Pharte?I'm only 28.I don't need to get a Goldwing yet,do I? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. >> Gil, I bought a Goldwing when I was 33. But it kept the GPZ1100 company in the garage, and the corvette, and the TRX250X, and the FL350 Odessey, and the 5 pinball machines, and all the pages cut out of Playboy magazine (took them down after my 4 year old noticed naked women on the ceiling). That was 12 years ago and I still haven't matured yet. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 09:48:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16357; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05584; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19486; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA31469; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:53:51 -0500 Message-ID: <34914E8E.ACA2676B@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:47:42 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantA ZX6 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Two simple questions.......... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WantA ZX6 wrote: > First, Im experiecing face shield fogging problems since I bought my new > helmet (old was stolen out of my car). What are suggestions as to how to fix > this? Its getting REALLY annoying. Get a Fog City Fog Shield, they're about $20 bucks, but they work. Now all that fogs up are my glasses.Leon. > Also, my TL has almost 3000 miles on it. Im thinking of switching to > synthetics shortly. When should I do it? Any special procedures? Info? > Comments? Go for it. On a TL it makes sense. Horkster could buy a new engine for his KZ for less than he'll pay for 3 oil changes, and then he'll still have a 20 yr old bike. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 10:12:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16654; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05891; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19867; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:11:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA16664 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:11:38 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:11:38 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Mid-Life Crisis Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:12:25 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT >That was 12 years ago and I still haven't matured yet. And with any luck at all, you won't have to... It happened to a friend of mine - terrible thing... Michael J. '93 GSX 1100GP '86 SRX-6 '45 body From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 10:13:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16682; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05899; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19893; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA16774 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:13:22 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:13:22 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: riders.. Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:14:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >At least you don't get called "Biker Woman," "Biker Babe" or other such >nonsense whenever you ride in. >Or, this is my favorite: "YOU don't ride, do you!!??" > - Jeannette I LOVE a girl in uniform!!! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 10:57:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17493; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06429; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21341; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA16117; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:03:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:03:44 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ticket Beaters Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I remember a while ago somone on this list got a ticket. (surprise, surprise!) Anyway, they hada procedure where you could show up on the day of your date and essentially post bail and request another date if you didn't like the judge. Does anyone have a copy of that message or remember who sent it? Thanks, -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 11:06:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17687; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06575; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22013; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA25864; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:05:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34916078.DE4F8FD7@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:04:10 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: riders.. References: <9712128819.AA881935550@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no idea. I think I am the opposite of most people. I ride to work 97% of the time but I haven't gone for a "ride" just to ride sense September. I do however go for "drives" about twice a month. I have a buddy with 4 bikes to die for and he only uses them for play, but rides about 5000 miles a year. When he was younger he always rode to work but now has not done it for years. Could it be fear of traffic? I don't know why we ride the way we ride. Jay Brian McCoy wrote: > I've been noticing a trend here in my office lately. I'm a pretty > well seen individual around here, what with riding my motorcycle in > these 'winter-like' conditions and such. People are always coming up > to me and telling me their old MC tales... and almost all the guys > either own a bike, and have for years - but put fewer miles a year > than I do a month on their bikes - or they wrecked and gave it up. > What makes us different from these other people. I know they aren't > slackers, because that type of person just doesn't fit my job profile. > Is it that we're a little insane? This just bugs me... I mean, if > you're prepared a little, a motorcycle seems like the perfect way of > traveling (minor exceptions of hauling couches and families). So why > do so precious few people ride? I guess winter could be a > discouragement - but the guys that do have bikes, NEVER rode to work > in the summer. One coworker wants me to come look at his bike to see > why it's not running - well, it's been sitting for the past 3 months, > I wonder why? > > Argh... I was just accused of going to a 'pajama party' because of my > Aerostich - and just a little defensive... sorry. > > Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 11:11:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17772; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06702; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22137; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00772; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:16:22 -0500 Message-ID: <349161E5.9E71FAEF@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:10:13 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: riders.. [Long and philosophical] References: <9712128819.AA881935550@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy wrote: > What makes us different from these other people. . . . So why > do so precious few people ride? I remember one of the first times I ever talked to someone like you describe. It was at a PARR Polar Bear Ride. He was complaining about never getting to ride his bike. Now that he had a house, there were always so many things to be done that there was never time to go for a ride. By the time he got home from work he was tired, and it seems like it got dark so early. On weekends, when the weather was good, there were 'honey-do's' to do. When the weather was bad and he couldn't work around the house, then the weather was bad and he couldn't ride the bike. I asked about riding his bike to work, and he went into the same type of excuses, he needed to wear a tie to work and there was so much traffic that he just couldn't take the bike. It was the first time I'd ever talked to anyone that had never used his bike as transportation. It was only a toy, and he didn't have time anymore to play with toys. My bike is a car^H^H^H pickup truck with only one or two seats. If I have to go someplace, is there a way to use the bike to do it? I like having the reputation that I do on this list. I've spent a lot of years getting it. There are a lot of people that I know fairly well who have never seen me in a car. I think I knew Chris Norloff for about 5 years before he ever saw me in a car. He knew I had them at my house, but I never did anything with them. The difference about those of us who ride in winter is in what we see when we look at a bike. Is it a toy to be played with in your free time, or can you use it for something worthwhile? After that question it's just a matter of how much inconvenience you're willing to put up with to justify riding it. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 11:35:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18144; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07097; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22892; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA05571; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA08101; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971212162906.GJZS215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:29:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:21 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: WantA ZX6 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Two simple questions.......... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971212162906.GJZS215@[166.41.242.141]> >First, Im experiecing face shield fogging problems since I bought my new >helmet (old was stolen out of my car). What are suggestions as to how to fix >this? Its getting REALLY annoying. FogCity faceshield liner....$12 - $17 >Also, my TL has almost 3000 miles on it. Im thinking of switching to >synthetics shortly. When should I do it? Any special procedures? Info? >Comments? > >Thanks >Jack What's the redline on that TL? Do it now. I switched to Mobil 1 just after my 600mile service on my brand new CB750 (I4), and have never had a problem in 28,000 miles yet. I switched on my first oil change to Mobil 1 for the ST1100 I bought in May at 7.4k miles. It now has 20,000 miles and is like new on the inside. BTW, I'm a bit anal about oil changes....every 3k period. You could probably get away with 5k, but its a cheap way for me to feel better about the oils viscosity life. As always YMMV. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 11:36:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18152; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07103; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22920; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA01436 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:41:19 -0500 Message-ID: <349167BC.2F2808AA@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:35:08 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: riders.. References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2D37C2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette is right. Our sport (hobby, avocation, lifestyle . . .) is one of the areas that women have it much tougher than men. The stereotypes are much crueller, the good business clothes don't work on a bike, and physical size and strength generally make it much easier for men to ride. They don't have a clue, and if they have to ask, they probably won't be able to understand. Leon. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > At least you don't get called "Biker Woman," "Biker Babe" or other such > nonsense whenever you ride in. > Or, this is my favorite: "YOU don't ride, do you!!??" > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 11:42:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18253; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07252; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:42:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23113; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA10596; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA03767; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:40:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971212164046.VEEJ6587@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:40:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3491690F.7BDFFA41@mci.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:40:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: riders.. [Long and philosophical] References: <9712128819.AA881935550@smtplink.micros.com> <349161E5.9E71FAEF@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Car?!? I'VE seen Leon in a ...get this...a minivan!!!! hahahahahah! :-) Sorry, Pal, just had to throw that in there! Horkster PS: 3 oil changes my ass! I wish engines were that cheap.... :-) Leon Begeman smugly announced: > There are a lot of people that I know fairly well who have never seen me in a > car. And earlier he quipped: Go for it. On a TL it makes sense. Horkster could buy a new engine for his KZ for less than he'll pay for 3 oil changes, and then he'll still have a 20 yr old bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 11:52:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18386; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07408; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23310; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ppp-206-170-29-39.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.29.39]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id IAA27437; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:51:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3490FB5C.4AB8@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:52:45 +0000 From: ccdriver Reply-To: ccdriver@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBWG (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantA ZX6 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Two simple questions.......... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been useing Fog City ,it is like another shield you stick to the inside of your regular shield, works great no fogging at all, you never have to open shield for air. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 12:00:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18536; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07537; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23545; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:00:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA18643; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA28145; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:59:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971212165913.GNLE215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:59:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:46 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Chris Norloff CC: WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Two simple questions.......... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971212165913.GNLE215@[166.41.242.141]> At 02:38 AM 12/12/97 EST, WantA ZX6 wrote: >First, Im experiecing face shield fogging problems since I bought my new >helmet (old was stolen out of my car). What are suggestions as to how to fix >this? Its getting REALLY annoying. Fog City Fog Shield. (Follow instructions carefully to install it). Chris Norloff Take heed to be careful. Do NOT allow the fog shield to come in contact with the backings once peeled away. This is a great way to throw $16 down the toilet. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 12:00:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18548; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07564; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23561; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA18732; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA31887; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:59:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971212165908.GNKY215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:59:08 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:44 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'John C. Kozyn'" , "'dc-cycles'" , "'John Carver'" , "'Dave Choat'" Subject: RE: Thunder USA X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971212165908.GNKY215@[166.41.242.141]> >!!!!!ATTENTION ALL SUNDAY RIDERS!!!!! > >A few of you have asked the same question as John ... Where is Thunder >USA? > >Never mind, because I can't find a listing for them in the Phone Book, >and their Ph. # has been disconnected. I think they have gone out of >business? Does anyone know for sure? > >ANYHOW, Let's now meet at CYCLES WOODBRIDGE between 9:00 am and 9:30 am >for a 9:45 am start. It is located at 14105 Telegraph Rd. (right off >route 1) Call them today or tomorrow (703.497.1500) if you need >specific directions, but be aware that they have nothing to do with this Cycles Woodbridge is now COLEMAN POWERSPORT in Woodbridge. The easiest way to get there from I95 is to take the Prince William Parkway heading West through two lights. Take a left on Telegraph road and Coleman is just 200 yards on your left. Thunder USA is in the shopping center just after Featherstone Road on Route 1. Heading South on I95, take the WoodBridge exit for route 1 and turn into the shopping center after Featherstone (2 or 3 miles down). There is a Nations Bank on your left, Thunder USA used to be in the center on that side. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 12:17:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18937; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07877; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24031; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA02486; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:23:07 -0500 Message-ID: <34917189.ADB36380@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:16:57 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: riders.. [Long and philosophical] References: <9712128819.AA881935550@smtplink.micros.com> <349161E5.9E71FAEF@illuminet.net> <3491690F.7BDFFA41@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now I'm confused. I know there is a bit of a difference between 5.0 Mustangs and F350 pickups, although I'm a little fuzzy on the exact details, but a minivan is a car. On the motor, is this a challenge? Will you throw a party for the list if I can find 2 motors for your bike for less than $15 each? (Finding one would be a fluke, anyone can do that.) Should we schedule a party for the list in the spring and one of us must supply the drinks? Dale Horstman wrote: > Car?!? I'VE seen Leon in a ...get this...a minivan!!!! hahahahahah! :-) > > > PS: 3 oil changes my ass! I wish engines were that cheap.... :-) > > Leon Begeman smugly announced: > > > There are a lot of people that I know fairly well who have never seen me in a > > car. > > And earlier he quipped: > > Go for it. On a TL it makes sense. Horkster could buy a new engine for his KZ > for less than he'll pay for 3 oil changes, and then he'll still have a 20 yr old > bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 12:25:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19139; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07985; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24317; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA12094 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:25:34 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma012067; Fri, 12 Dec 97 12:25:13 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA16366 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881947350; Fri, 12 Dec 97 12:22:31 -0500 Message-Id: <9712128819.AA881947350@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 12:21:39 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re[2]: Two simple questions.......... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dang, I must be the ONLY person that doesn't advocate the use of this thing. I had bad experiences with them on my Arai.. worse while driving at twilight and night. I guess to each their own. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ At 02:38 AM 12/12/97 EST, WantA ZX6 wrote: >First, Im experiecing face shield fogging problems since I bought my new >helmet (old was stolen out of my car). What are suggestions as to how to fix >this? Its getting REALLY annoying. Fog City Fog Shield. (Follow instructions carefully to install it). Chris Norloff Take heed to be careful. Do NOT allow the fog shield to come in contact with the backings once peeled away. This is a great way to throw $16 down the toilet. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 12:26:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19164; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08010; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24359; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA27717 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD06F9.2566A830@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:26:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , "'jay goddard'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: riders.. Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:26:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: jay goddard[SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 11:04 AM >To: Brian McCoy >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: riders.. > >I have no idea. I think I am the opposite of most people. I ride to work >97% >of the time but I haven't gone for a "ride" just to ride sense September. I >do Funny you should say that ... There is a perfect chance this Sunday! See you then, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 13:03:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19944; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08740; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25662; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA13416; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA15840; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971212180248.WBSY6587@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:02:48 -0500 Message-ID: <34917C48.BF5479D3@mci.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:02:48 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: minivan does not equal car References: <9712128819.AA881935550@smtplink.micros.com> <349161E5.9E71FAEF@illuminet.net> <3491690F.7BDFFA41@mci.com> <34917189.ADB36380@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If a minivan was a car, NASCAR would race them. Anything would be better than a Monte Carlo. Likewise, if a minivan was a truck, you would see the Craftsman Truck Series running them (pit stops would involve 4 tires, gas, and loading the kid's Little League team onboard). If a minivan was a bike, I guess I would never ride one, cause they are funniest looking cages on the road. :-) Dale (the Horkster) The sadly misinformed Leon Begeman opined: > Now I'm confused. I know there is a bit of a difference between 5.0 Mustangs and > F350 pickups, although I'm a little fuzzy on the exact details, but a minivan is a > car. > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Car?!? I'VE seen Leon in a ...get this...a minivan!!!! hahahahahah! :-) > > > >> > There are a lot of people that I know fairly well who have never seen me in a > > > car. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 13:24:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20454; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09207; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26557; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:24:21 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA18421 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:24:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199712121824.AA18421@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:24:26 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:24:26 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:24:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:20:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Two simple questions.......... To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19971212162906.GJZS215@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME ...don't just go by the milage..if your bike has been sitting for awhile, (e.g. storage), it's a good idea to change the oil also...sitting for long periods of time does strange things to oil too... cheers, -aki > > >First, Im experiecing face shield fogging problems since I bought my new > >helmet (old was stolen out of my car). What are suggestions as to how to fix > >this? Its getting REALLY annoying. > > FogCity faceshield liner....$12 - $17 > > >Also, my TL has almost 3000 miles on it. Im thinking of switching to > >synthetics shortly. When should I do it? Any special procedures? Info? > >Comments? > > > >Thanks > >Jack > > > What's the redline on that TL? Do it now. I switched to > Mobil 1 just after my 600mile service on my brand new CB750 (I4), and > have never had a problem in 28,000 miles yet. > I switched on my first oil change to Mobil 1 for the ST1100 I > bought in May at 7.4k miles. It now has 20,000 miles and is like new > on the inside. > BTW, I'm a bit anal about oil changes....every 3k period. You > could probably get away with 5k, but its a cheap way for me to feel > better about the oils viscosity life. As always YMMV. > > Todd > +-----------------------------+---------------+ > | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | > | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | > | '83 VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | > +-----------------------------+---------------+ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 13:24:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20462; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09223; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26571; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA11644; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:24:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA26120; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971212182407.GVJQ28757@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:24:07 -0600 Message-ID: <34918147.6D67A390@mci.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:24:08 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: engines vs oil References: <9712128819.AA881935550@smtplink.micros.com> <349161E5.9E71FAEF@illuminet.net> <3491690F.7BDFFA41@mci.com> <34917189.ADB36380@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon, What would I do with two more engines when the engine I have is gonna last forever once I switch to synthetics? Kawis are more or less bulletproof anyways, but this bike is gonna be running when my grandkids are old enough to ride it! Not that I want to keep it that long. I love my LTD, but my dream bike is a early 80's KZ 1100 LTD with shaft drive. (I'm so tired of lubing the chain and then cleaning the subsequent crap off the rear wheel, saddlebag, fender, jacket, helmet, etc :-) Kawi only made them for a couple of years, I'll never know why the weren't more popular, the 1100's were the most perfect bikes that I've ever seen. Haven't found one anywhere that was for sale. If anyone knows of one, I want it bad! Leon, I'll volunteer to host the Spring DC Cycles party and buy drinks if you find me one, in good shape, for under $1 per cc (gotta keep my streak alive). Preferably close enough to home that I don't have to have it shipped. Then we can talk about engines for it.... :-) Actually, Fellow Listers, I'll go on record as volunteering to host the DC Cycles party at my house regardless of whether or not my collection contains an 1100 LTD by spring. You think I should check with the wife first? Nahh. Dale (the Horkster) Leon Begeman wrote: > On the motor, is this a challenge? Will you throw a party for the list if I can > find 2 motors for your bike for less than $15 each? (Finding one would be a fluke, > anyone can do that.) > Should we schedule a party for the list in the spring and one of us must supply the > drinks? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 13:42:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20868; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09601; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27323; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA19719 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:42:35 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xmaa19639; Fri, 12 Dec 97 13:42:05 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA18434; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA881951961; Fri, 12 Dec 97 13:39:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9712128819.AA881951961@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 13:38:27 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Cc: Subject: Re: engines vs oil MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I vote for more LASAGNA! *chuckle* though the good beer at Todds was a bonus too... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: engines vs oil Author: at smtplink-micros Date: 12/12/97 1:24 PM Leon, What would I do with two more engines when the engine I have is gonna last forever once I switch to synthetics? Kawis are more or less bulletproof anyways, but this bike is gonna be running when my grandkids are old enough to ride it! Not that I want to keep it that long. I love my LTD, but my dream bike is a early 80's KZ 1100 LTD with shaft drive. (I'm so tired of lubing the chain and then cleaning the subsequent crap off the rear wheel, saddlebag, fender, jacket, helmet, etc :-) Kawi only made them for a couple of years, I'll never know why the weren't more popular, the 1100's were the most perfect bikes that I've ever seen. Haven't found one anywhere that was for sale. If anyone knows of one, I want it bad! Leon, I'll volunteer to host the Spring DC Cycles party and buy drinks if you find me one, in good shape, for under $1 per cc (gotta keep my streak alive). Preferably close enough to home that I don't have to have it shipped. Then we can talk about engines for it.... :-) Actually, Fellow Listers, I'll go on record as volunteering to host the DC Cycles party at my house regardless of whether or not my collection contains an 1100 LTD by spring. You think I should check with the wife first? Nahh. Dale (the Horkster) Leon Begeman wrote: > On the motor, is this a challenge? Will you throw a party for the list if I can > find 2 motors for your bike for less than $15 each? (Finding one would be a fluke, > anyone can do that.) > Should we schedule a party for the list in the spring and one of us must supply the > drinks? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 14:27:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21861; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09919; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28965; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA17138; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:27:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:25:34 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCD37@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: engines vs oil Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:24:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, more lasagna!!...and your wife was cool, of course she'd love to have us!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 1:38 PM > To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: engines vs oil > > > I vote for more LASAGNA! > > *chuckle* though the good beer at Todds was a bonus too... > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > Subject: engines vs oil > Author: at smtplink-micros > Date: 12/12/97 1:24 PM > > > Leon, > > What would I do with two more engines when the > engine > I have is gonna last forever once I switch to synthetics? Kawis are > more > or less bulletproof anyways, but this bike is gonna be running when my > grandkids > are old enough to ride it! > > Not that I want to keep it that long. I love my LTD, but my dream > bike > is a early 80's KZ 1100 LTD with shaft drive. (I'm so tired of lubing > the chain > and then cleaning the subsequent crap off the rear wheel, saddlebag, > fender, > jacket, > helmet, etc :-) Kawi only made them for a couple of years, I'll > never know why > the > weren't more popular, the 1100's were the most perfect bikes that I've > ever > seen. > Haven't found one anywhere that was for sale. > > If anyone knows of one, I want it bad! > > Leon, I'll volunteer to host the Spring DC Cycles party and buy drinks > if you > find me > one, in good shape, for under $1 per cc (gotta keep my streak alive). > Preferably close > > enough to home that I don't have to have it shipped. > > Then we can talk about engines for it.... :-) > > Actually, Fellow Listers, I'll go on record as volunteering to host > the DC > Cycles > party at my house regardless of whether or not my collection contains > an 1100 > LTD > by spring. You think I should check with the wife first? Nahh. > > Dale (the Horkster) > > > > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > On the motor, is this a challenge? Will you throw a party for the > list if I > can > > find 2 motors for your bike for less than $15 each? (Finding one > would be a > fluke, > > anyone can do that.) > > Should we schedule a party for the list in the spring and one of us > must > supply the > > drinks? > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 14:38:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22392; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10322; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29664; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD070B.3BD76B10@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:35:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: engines vs oil Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:35:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 103 TEXT You know, I think I'd better join this list - just to keep Horkster from trading the kids the away ---------- From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 2:24 PM To: 'Brian McCoy'; Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: engines vs oil Yes, more lasagna!!...and your wife was cool, of course she'd love to have us!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 1:38 PM > To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: engines vs oil > > > I vote for more LASAGNA! > > *chuckle* though the good beer at Todds was a bonus too... > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > Subject: engines vs oil > Author: at smtplink-micros > Date: 12/12/97 1:24 PM > > > Leon, > > What would I do with two more engines when the > engine > I have is gonna last forever once I switch to synthetics? Kawis are > more > or less bulletproof anyways, but this bike is gonna be running when my > grandkids > are old enough to ride it! > > Not that I want to keep it that long. I love my LTD, but my dream > bike > is a early 80's KZ 1100 LTD with shaft drive. (I'm so tired of lubing > the chain > and then cleaning the subsequent crap off the rear wheel, saddlebag, > fender, > jacket, > helmet, etc :-) Kawi only made them for a couple of years, I'll > never know why > the > weren't more popular, the 1100's were the most perfect bikes that I've > ever > seen. > Haven't found one anywhere that was for sale. > > If anyone knows of one, I want it bad! > > Leon, I'll volunteer to host the Spring DC Cycles party and buy drinks > if you > find me > one, in good shape, for under $1 per cc (gotta keep my streak alive). > Preferably close > > enough to home that I don't have to have it shipped. > > Then we can talk about engines for it.... :-) > > Actually, Fellow Listers, I'll go on record as volunteering to host > the DC > Cycles > party at my house regardless of whether or not my collection contains > an 1100 > LTD > by spring. You think I should check with the wife first? Nahh. > > Dale (the Horkster) > > > > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > On the motor, is this a challenge? Will you throw a party for the > list if I > can > > find 2 motors for your bike for less than $15 each? (Finding one > would be a > fluke, > > anyone can do that.) > > Should we schedule a party for the list in the spring and one of us > must > supply the > > drinks? > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 14:51:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22657; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10737; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29967; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA21602; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA11535; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:49:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971212194952.XDDD6587@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:49:52 -0500 Message-ID: <34919560.46545680@mci.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:49:52 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'Brian McCoy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: engines vs oil References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCD37@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, I'm glad you all liked the last batch. It's a foregone conclusion that there will be more LASAGNA at the Spring party at my house. :-) Just don't ask for a date yet. I don't plan that far ahead. I'm not that organized... Dale (the hosting Horkster) O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Yes, more lasagna!!...and your wife was cool, of course she'd love to > have us!! > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 1:38 PM > > To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: engines vs oil > > > > > > I vote for more LASAGNA! > > > > *chuckle* though the good beer at Todds was a bonus too... > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 15:06:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22966; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11101; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00406; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA27096; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA11358; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:04:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971212200431.HEAN215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:04:31 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:57 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Brian McCoy" CC: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Two simple questions.......... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971212200431.HEAN215@[166.41.242.141]> I have never used or applied any product to my faceshield for the 15 years of riding I've done, until just recently. I do not work for Fog City, so my testimonial is unsolicited. I like it! I am so used to exhaling down my chin to avoid fogging that I still do it and don't need to. You would agree that the last two rides around Leesburg were pretty chilly, right? No fog on my faceshield! Now, the downside. It sucks we even need to consider yet another add-on that should be standard for high priced items such as a helmet. But, that's just how it is. I too have noticed some strange lite effects at night. The FC Shield, when properly installed, does not actually touch your facesheild. So, you get a little more reflective feedback. Still worth it though, IMHO. Todd Dang, I must be the ONLY person that doesn't advocate the use of this thing. I had bad experiences with them on my Arai.. worse while driving at twilight and night. I guess to each their own. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ At 02:38 AM 12/12/97 EST, WantA ZX6 wrote: >First, Im experiecing face shield fogging problems since I bought my new >helmet (old was stolen out of my car). What are suggestions as to how to fix >this? Its getting REALLY annoying. Fog City Fog Shield. (Follow instructions carefully to install it). Chris Norloff Take heed to be careful. Do NOT allow the fog shield to come in contact with the backings once peeled away. This is a great way to throw $16 down the toilet. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 15:30:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23683; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11839; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01447; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:30:17 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <8e4fb3f3.34919c79@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:20:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: riders.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) <> I always thought they looked more like sleeping bags than like pajamas. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 15:40:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23842; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11949; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:39:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01723; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA01378; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:39:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA25229; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:39:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971212203903.XRLX6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:39:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:30 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Brian McCoy" CC: Subject: Re: riders.. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971212203903.XRLX6587@[166.41.242.141]> What makes us different from these other people. ............ Is it that we're a little insane? This just bugs me... I mean, if you're prepared a little, a motorcycle seems like the perfect way of traveling (minor exceptions of hauling couches and families). So why do so precious few people ride? I guess winter could be a discouragement - but the guys that do have bikes, NEVER rode to work in the summer. Obsessive passion is how I would describe it. If your main source of pleasure becomes an obsession, you will invariably be labeled a little insane. For me, people who obsess about downhill skiing are a little insane. Rock climbers come to mind as well. I draw the line at skydiving though since I've tried it and can vouch for the draw. I think it's just one more situation motorcyclists must endure. Riding into your office is non-conformist and may be scrutinized by some who do not comprehend why. They will feel uncomfortable when confronted by it. I think I wrote something on this awhile ago. I have friends who own motorcycles and NEVER RIDE THEM!!!! When I suggest they sell the bike(s) and use the money to get something they will use, they in most cases defend owning the bike(s) since they might want to ride it one day. Yeah, right after you rebuild the carbs and flush the fuel system, change tires......blah, blah, blah. Even though I consider them friends, I also consider them posuers. I think they want to be part-time non-conformists. You know, just when it is suitable, and won't get them in any trouble. As always IMHO. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 16:06:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24290; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13028; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02590; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA20255 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA07466 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:05:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971212210529.HJXO215@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:05:29 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:01 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Some friday afternoon fun.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971212210529.HJXO215@[166.41.242.141]> Go to http://www.erack.com/mcw/mcwhome.htm and click on "What Kind of Biker are You" by Performance Bikes. I'll admit it. I am an "Angry Biker" per the results of my test. At the bottom of your grade sheet there is a site tour offered for your style of "bikerdom". Mine included something called "Points make prizes". Fairly hilarious stuff, mixed with serious opinion and all in a distinctly British accent. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 16:18:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24498; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13490; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from news1.radix.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02845; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from port2.annex3.radix.net (port2.annex3.radix.net [209.48.226.130]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA26675; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:17:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:17:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19971212162229.50f750d4@pop.radix.net> X-Sender: jterry@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX From: Jim Terry Subject: Re: minivan does not equal car Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A minivan is a rolling roadblock. At 01:02 PM 12/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >If a minivan was a car, NASCAR would race them. Anything would be >better than a Monte Carlo. Likewise, if a minivan was a truck, you would >see the Craftsman Truck Series running them (pit stops would involve 4 tires, >gas, and loading the kid's Little League team onboard). If a minivan was a bike, >I guess I would never ride one, cause they are funniest looking cages >on the road. :-) > >Dale (the Horkster) > >The sadly misinformed Leon Begeman opined: > >> Now I'm confused. I know there is a bit of a difference between 5.0 Mustangs and >> F350 pickups, although I'm a little fuzzy on the exact details, but a minivan is a >> car. >> >> Dale Horstman wrote: >> >> > Car?!? I'VE seen Leon in a ...get this...a minivan!!!! hahahahahah! :-) >> > >> >> > There are a lot of people that I know fairly well who have never seen me in a >> > > car. >> > > > > > "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent"--Salvor Hardin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 16:45:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25131; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13881; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03738; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05652 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:44:21 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:44:21 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Some friday afternoon fun.... Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:45:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 64 TEXT Neat stuff, Todd - I came in as a "Dedicated Biker" more text follows: You can't really describe the thrill of biking can you? It's in the blood. The best thing about being a little older is that you can afford the best and my god it's worth it. Big, fast sports bikes just seem to get better and better. They bring out riding skills that you never knew you had. You are the hardest working member of your bike club tirelessly organising events and trying to recruit new members. A bit like a biking Hare Krishna, which is not too far from the truth because riding is a bit of a religious experience. It's almost guaranteed that you and your mates are going to be waiting for the showroom to open on the day of a bike launch so that you can pick the brains of the staff. Have you ever heard yourself saying? Thank god for clubs the amount of information you can get out out of your mates there is just brilliant I remember the time when we were touring Europe and we decided to try and get to Nice from Calais in under ten hours we got off that ferry at about 4 o'clock in the morning and we still managed to do it Headlights...well of course you shouldn't have to use them really. It's just to make up for the average motorist's lack of driving skills. It's a bit dumb not to really although if your bike has got twin headlights it looks pretty cool Dream Bikes: Triumph T595 Yamaha YZF1000 Thunderace Honda CBR1100XX Kawasaki ZZR1100 Michael J. FWIW (I'm feeling reflective here) Bikes owned (in descending order) Year of Bike Acquisition 1994 '93 Suzuki GSX 1100GP 1989 '86 Yamaha SRX-6 1983 '81 Suzuki GN-400 1979 in Germany - late '70s moped (I needed a two wheel fix BAD) 1975 in Italy - '75 Ducati 350 desmo 1972 Back inna states - '71 Kawasaki 350 2-stroke triple 1971 '70 Honda SL350 1971 '69 Yamaha CT-1 1969 in Italy - '6? Ducati 250 (ex-works - made street legal - looked like shit, went like stink) 1968 Inna states again - '60 harley XLCH 1967 '66 BSA Lightning 1966 in 'Nam - 250 Peugeot 2-stroke - year and model unknown (probably better that way) 1962 in states - Vespa scooter 1961 Whizzer 1961 and my first bike - 1934 Harley VL The above is an unabashedly maudlin trip down memory lane From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 18:34:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26720; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15704; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06432; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:33:42 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <2071bfd4.3491c42e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:05:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: riders.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) >>Or, this is my favorite: "YOU don't ride, do you!!??" >> - Jeannette When people ask me "is that your bike?" I sweetly say, "no, I'm borrowing my mom's bike while my heads are out getting ported." Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 12 20:08:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27831; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16151; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08058; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.105]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA4030; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:07:59 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "WantA ZX6" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: fog city & synth oil Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:05:08 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971213010757.AAA4030@default> Jack-- The Fog City question is a tough one. My ex had a big fog problem, and the FC was a must for her. She put up with starburst effects around lights at night and slightly less perfect optics. I finally tried one and found my fog problem wasn't worth the side effects from the FC. I hated it. ANd my glasses still fogged on really bad days, so what was the point? Synth oil--no side effects. I use only car oil. MC oil is bogus. I'd put it in at the next change. I also change it every 2-3K, same as regular oil. Cheap insurance, makes me feel good. I do the same in my good cars. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 13 01:36:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01617; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22786; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12351; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:36:17 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <30f39af6.34922cac@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:35:15 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: You know you're a winter rider when.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) You know you are a winter motorcyclist when: You get to work and you dont start "working" until you have peeled off your 3 extra pairs of pants, 2 extra shirts, 2 pairs of socks, etc etc..... Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 13 01:58:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01788; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22889; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12557; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:58:33 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <964ca9fc.34923198@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:56:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday ride or just waiting till Sunday? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I was wondering if anyone was going through with the ride tomorrow? If so Id love to go. Ill check my mail in the morning. See ya Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 13 05:54:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA03620; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 05:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA23827; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 05:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA14762; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 05:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA03950; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 05:50:26 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 05:40:24 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Some friday afternoon fun.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19971212210529.HJXO215@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok,went to the webpage,took the test.I'm an 'Angry Biker'.Ok. Let's see...bikes of my dreams are:anything w/Miwaukee VTwin,no prob;VMax,that's cool;T509,oh yeah!;Monster,alright;XJR12,inline four but I could deal with it;and finally a....Buell S1!? What?? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! No,it can't be!I can't be destined to ride this thing!Damn you Todd,damn you to the lowest circle of Hades!You had to post this trap for me to fall into! Ok,get a grip Gil,you can deal with this.Ok,that'll work... Hey everyone,you're all my buds,right?Do me a favor.When I get to the run on Sunday...kill me.Kill me.Shoot me,strangle me,stab me,I don't care,just do it! Oh!Oooohhhhh!! I'm living in Hell! Ooohhhh! The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 13 13:42:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06915; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25504; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18625; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA06296 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA31803 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:41:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.195]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971213184158.ICJL215@[166.41.111.195]> for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:41:58 -0600 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:37 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Removing Stripped bolts X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971213184158.ICJL215@[166.41.111.195]> For those of you who like working on your own rides, and occassionally find yourself facing a bolt with a stripped head, I'd like to know what your favorite methods are while extracting such offenders. The bolt in question here has the duty of torqueing the cam chain sprocket to the cam on my VT500c. It is one of two bolts and it has a much maligned head. I've tried vice-grips (slide off), channel locks (two big) and even drilling (broke the bit off in the bolt =:0). I need advice and comforting words. Can you help me? I've been to Sears and the local Trak Auto to look over their choice of tools. The only thing that they (both) had was a nut-buster, but it is too big to fit where it needs to. The fastener has a locking type head that seats flatly against the sprocket. The chain and head are roughly 1/8th inch distant from one another. Thanks for any help here. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 13 14:12:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07241; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25604; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18794; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA08281; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA31129; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.68]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971213191119.ICMZ215@[166.41.110.68]>; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:11:19 -0600 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:02 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Some friday afternoon fun.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971213191119.ICMZ215@[166.41.110.68]> > Ok,went to the webpage,took the test.I'm an 'Angry Biker'.Ok. >Let's see...bikes of my dreams are:anything w/Miwaukee VTwin,no >prob;VMax,that's cool;T509,oh yeah!;Monster,alright;XJR12,inline >four but I could deal with it;and finally a....Buell S1!? What?? > > NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! > > No,it can't be!I can't be destined to ride this thing!Damn you >Todd,damn you to the lowest circle of Hades!You had to post this >trap for me to fall into! Geez - Loueez boy, you really are an "angry biker". I took that test honestly and was labeled "angry biker" as well. Fuck 'em.. :-) Jeanette told me she was really pissed off and that the test sucked since it labeled her as a "poseur". I told her to quit bitching and retake it, cause I was sure she had potential to be an "angry biker" :-) Now, for the funny stuff. I went back and re-took the test and varied my answers some, and guess what....I'm still an "angry biker". What a bunch of f-ing a-holes those brits are, telling me I'm "angry". GRrrrrrr.... ;^) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 13 14:12:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07244; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25608; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18797; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA08289; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA16329; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.68]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971213191125.ICNB215@[166.41.110.68]>; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:11:25 -0600 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:07 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: WantA ZX6 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride or just waiting till Sunday? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971213191125.ICNB215@[166.41.110.68]> Well, since my presence has been made MANDATORY by our ride leading host Chris Meier, I will be riding. Meet us at the COLEMAN POWERSPORT in WOODBRIDGE at say 9am-9:30 From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <964ca9fc.34923198@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:56:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday ride or just waiting till Sunday? Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) I was wondering if anyone was going through with the ride tomorrow? If so Id love to go. Ill check my mail in the morning. See ya Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 13 17:44:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09938; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26659; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21918; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.189]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA17748; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:43:20 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Some friday afternoon fun.... Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:40:22 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971213224318.AAA17748@default> Hey, y'all-- I took the test twice. I couldn't make up my mind on some of the answers, and some of them (like what do you wear?) just didn't have the right choice. So the first time I was a "Dedicated Biker". Somebody else posted they got that. Who? The next time, I went for the "angrier" of my uncertain choices, but all I got was "adrenaline junkie". I think I'm in between somewhere. Jeannette, I'm sorry they think you're a poseur. Maybe they don't have a "biker chick" category. :-D Maybe you should try again....... The Dedicated biker: You can't really describe the thrill of biking can you? It's in the blood. The best thing about being a little older is that you can afford the best and my god it's worth it. Big, fast sports bikes just seem to get better and better. They bring out riding skills that you never knew you had. You are the hardest working member of your bike club tirelessly organising events and trying to recruit new members. A bit like a biking Hare Krishna, which is not too far from the truth because riding is a bit of a religious experience. It's almost guaranteed that you and your mates are going to be waiting for the showroom to open on the day of a bike launch so that you can pick the brains of the staff. Do you ever find yourself saying: Thank god for clubs the amount of information you can get out out of your mates there is just brilliant I remember the time when we were touring Europe and we decided to try and get to Nice from Calais in under ten hours we got off that ferry at about 4 o'clock in the morning and we still managed to do it Headlights...well of course you shouldn't have to use them really. It's just to make up for the average motorist's lack of driving skills. It's a bit dumb not to really although if your bike has got twin headlights it looks pretty cool Dream bikes: Triumph T595 Yamaha YZF1000 Thunderace Honda CBR1100XX Kawasaki ZZR1100 Adrenaline Junkie: You are a hooligan through and through aren't you? Riding flat out all the time. Cars are a mere inconvenience. Bikes are more than a form of transport they're a way of life giving you a thrill and an instant social life. As a pulling tool they just can't be beat (unless you get a Harley, but then there's just no chance of that ever happening, is there?). Just remember the old saying "There are old riders and there are bold riders. There just aren't many old, bold riders" Do you ever find yourself saying: Japanese sports bikes are the cutting edge of technology, how they manage to squeeze all those horses out of those engines is a modern miracle. It's all well and good people going on about Ducatis and Triumphs but they just don't go as fast as Japanese wheels do they? There's no point in using my headlight 'cos I'm going to be going so fast that no one's going to be able to see me. Luckily I'm such a good rider that I just can't be touched. Well there was that time that that I lobbed the GSX-R into that ditch...but it wasn't my fault really...bloody diesel all over the road. Black visors are pretty essential really. You have a much better field of vision than you get wearing shades. It's a safety thing. Carbon fibre - greatest material in the known universe. I want a carbon fibre bike. Not sure what it is though. One of these days I'm gonna be the editor of Performance Bikes Dream bikes: Suzuki GSX-R750 Kawasaki ZX9R Aprilia RS250 Honda CBR900RR Fireblade Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 13 19:04:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10799; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27633; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA23054; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:04:33 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <5076f2a4.34932115@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:58:10 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride confirmation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) So we will be meeting at the Woodbridge Coleman around 9-9:30? Great....will be there. Hope to see others there too!! Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 13 20:08:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11503; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27889; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23733; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA22584; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:10:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:10:53 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Removing Stripped bolts In-Reply-To: <19971213184158.ICJL215@[166.41.111.195]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My first try would be air or electric impact wrench w 6-point socket. If not available, consider hammer-impact driver. Semi-last resort: grind flats on opposite sides of bolt to give vice-grips a better hold (keep grit out of valuable parts). --garcia On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Todd Peer wrote: > For those of you who like working on your own rides, and occassionally > find yourself facing a bolt with a stripped head, I'd like to know > what your favorite methods are while extracting such offenders. The > bolt in question here has the duty of torqueing the cam chain sprocket > to the cam on my VT500c. > > It is one of two bolts and it has a much maligned head. I've tried > vice-grips (slide off), channel locks (two big) and even drilling (broke > the bit off in the bolt =:0). I need advice and comforting words. > Can you help me? I've been to Sears and the local Trak Auto to look > over their choice of tools. The only thing that they (both) had was > a nut-buster, but it is too big to fit where it needs to. The fastener > has a locking type head that seats flatly against the sprocket. The > chain and head are roughly 1/8th inch distant from one another. > > Thanks for any help here. > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 13 20:46:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11881; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28012; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24129; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.32]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA7001; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 01:45:58 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd Peer" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Removing Stripped bolts Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:43:04 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971214014557.AAA7001@default> Todd- Can you get at it with a socket, or only a wrench? I've seen sockets with little chisel tips in them; you hammer the socket onto the bolt, the chisel tips dig in, turn the socket. How about sinking a regular chisel into a flat and hammering the chisel to rotate the bolt? Weld a fresh nut onto the bolt head, apply tool to new nut. Get better drill bits, drill it out. Maybe I can come up with other ways if I see it. If you don't make progress, I'll come by one evening. And after my finals in Calculus and Operations Management on Monday, I'll see if I can find those chisel sockets. good luck Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 13 22:20:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12926; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28297; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from yfn2.ysu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25555; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ba193 by yfn2.ysu.edu with local (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0xh4hj-0007kq-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:26:55 -0500 From: ba193@XXXXXX (Dale Horstman) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride confirmation Reply-To: ba193@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:26:55 -0500 I'm looking forward to seeing everybody! This is gonna be cool! Horkster > >So we will be meeting at the Woodbridge Coleman around 9-9:30? >Great....will be there. Hope to see others there too!! > -- 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1987 Suzuki Savage 650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 14 09:36:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17312; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01489; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02767; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:34:34 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: <6bcf66b6.3493ee04@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:32:34 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Removing Stripped bolts Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 97-12-13 20:08:34 EST, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX writes: > or those of you who like working on your own rides, and occassionally > find yourself facing a bolt with a stripped head, I'd like to know > what your favorite methods are while extracting such offenders. The I've had success using a Dremel tool. I put on the cut-off wheel attachment and use that to cut a slot in the head of the bolt. Then I can use a screwdriver to turn the thing. It doesn't get you a tremendous amount of torque but is very quick and easy. A lot of times it gets the job done with minimal aggravation. If that doesn't work you can still go to the ez-out. Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 14 17:46:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22455; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06316; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02692; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA06089 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:46:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34948C46.5822@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:47:50 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Sunday Trip Report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings DC Moto Afficionados : Well, I just back home from our little jaunt today and I'm happy to say my house is warm inside :) Today's ride was definitely cool (in both senses of the word) Chris Meier had offered to lead us on a ride once done by the PARR group and we met this morning at Coleman Poser Sports (good one Horkster ;) in Woodbridge. In attendance we had in (relative) order of appearance : Moi : '85 VF700F Stealth Interceptor Louis (is that right?) : '98 Concours Todd : ST1100 (some say it's a V4 too ;) Chris : '94 RF900 (never saw one before today - nice bike) Howard : '97 YZF 750 (with Hindle system + character!) Morris : Kawasaki 1100 Mike : GL1200 Dale : LTD (oil-spewing) 1000 (there was a good reason for the rain gear ;^D John : Bandit 600 Jack : '97 TL1000 Sean : 600F3 Jeanette : '86 VF500F (OK, the above is from memory so take it easy you guys!) Our affable facilitator provided all with well-made ride sheets - VF cool! Anyway, we started out great. Later we had a few fits and starts as directions needed to be verified, but no matter. Chris was a prudent leader, although I noticed my ponies were chomping on the bit, begging to go just a little faster =:^D I also found it interesting that Chris would always seem to find a church to regroup in (twice) and once next to a cemetary. (Anyone else thinking spiritual yearning...? ;) At one point - this must be said Ms. O'Brien :) - when given the toss up between stopping at a yellow (two bikes were behind me) in Warrenton, I opted to do so only to see Jeanette's "babe-'ceptor" shoot through the light on my right (well after it was orange ;). Next thing that Dale (Mr. Lasagna to the non-cognoscenti) and I hear, then see, is a county boy flash his blues and take off in front of us. I surely thought Jeanette was gonna get nabbed ! Happily she wasn't. Whew! After lunch with some of Warrenton's friendly denizens in a Wendy's that Chris had somehow (magically) turned into a Burger King, we headed back out for a couple more legs of our planned route only to find that Kelly's Crossing (Rte 620) was closed due to construction. At that point (1445 hrs) we took off up Rte 15-29 up to I-66 where Todd unleashed his ponies, and gave new meaning to the Linda Rondstadt song "Blue Bayou" (e-mail me privately if this went - 'whooosh' - over your head ;) Speaking of songs, at the BK's we were at, they had the obligatory muzak tape playing throughout this fine eating establishment. I, however, was shocked to hear Pink Floyd being played (!!) - a song from Meddle (1973). Unbelievable. Then again I hear people are very progressive in Warrenton... Unfortunately, no one took me up on my offer to ply our crew with brew after the ride, which is probably just as well since my wife hates the idea of surprise guests. (I happen to have half a keg of Rolling Rock here, hope it doesn't go flat before it's gone!) BTW, curiously absent from the ride were (in no particular order): Kevin Thomas, Collin Fagan and Brian (OK-I'll-fix-your-bike-for-you-Jeanette) McCoy. WTH happened to you slackers? ! Anyway I had a great time today. Thanks again Chris! J (D-mode) K (http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 14 23:38:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26291; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07501; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:38:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06736; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id XAA19127; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:44:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:44:32 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Police Harassment Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ...bitching session follows... I had a little run in with the local constabulary during Friday afternoon rush hour. I was riding west bound on 495 (in MD on the outer loop) and exited onto 270 northbound. As usual, right after exiting I jumped over to the HOV lanes. Since I was going to get off at Montrose (1st exit), I wanted to get out of the HOV lanes prior to the HOV flyover from the spur to the main-line. Since my exit was coming up, I came over two lanes to the the far right lane. While in the middle lane I paused and looked to make there was an opening prior to changing lanes. When I was in the middle lane, I behind a unnamed cop from an unnamed local juridsdiction. A few minutes later there were lights and a siren behind me. I didn't do illegal, so I didn't think they were for me so it took me a few seconds to pull over. I did, though, in short order. Asthe officer came up to me I had pulled off the helmet and gloves and the following exchange occured: Officer: Why are you in such a hurry? Me: I wasn't. I prefer the HOV lanes since they are safer for bikes. Since knew that I'd be exiting soon, I wanted to be in the proper lane. That is why I changed lanes to the right hand lane. Oficer: Why are you in such a hurry, you must've been because you changed all those lanes. Me: No, I'm not in a hurry...(another attempt at explanation) Officer: License and Registration! Me: Yes, M'am (as I reach for my license, in my wallet) Officer: Do you know why I pulled you over? Me: No I don't. Could you please tell me? Officer: Why are you in such a hurry? Me: Here is my license, I need to get under the seat to find my registration. As far as I know I was within the speed limit. Why did you pull me over? Officer: Why are you in such a hurry? License and Registration! Me: Why did you pull me over? (still digging) Officer: (after noticing my DoD sticker) Do you work for DoD yes? Me: Yes M'am I do. Officer: Forget about the registration. What's all this stuff under here (indicating the stuff under my seat). Me: Chain lube, rain suit, bungee net, etc. Officer: What's this? Me: That's the ignition electronics. (CDI unit) Officer: Isn't that dangerous, all that stuff near it? Won't it catch fire? Me: No, it's only twelve volts and relatively cool. Officer: Don't be in such a hurry. I've seen these bikes. They're very dangerous. I'll help you pull out into traffic. Well, she was a car behind when I pulled off the shoulder. She provided as much help as an umbrella in a rain storm on the bike! She NEVER did tell me why she pulled me over. All she did was answer my question with a question. She couldn't even say that I was aggressive, reckless or making an illegal lane change. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 07:58:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00917; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10233; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01100; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id HAA14065 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:58:17 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma014049; Mon, 15 Dec 97 07:57:59 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id HAA26218 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882190512; Mon, 15 Dec 97 07:55:13 -0500 Message-Id: <9712158821.AA882190512@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 07:54:30 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: punctual.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are all way to punctual.. I showed up at the shopping center at, my time, 9:47am. I had someone walk over and tell me that you all had left like 5 minutes before... Since when does a ride leave BEFORE the scheduled time? Oh-well.. it's chalked up to a difference in watches, maybe bad/misunderstood directions too. Not to worry, I filled up with some of the worst gas in the region (it HAS to be 50% water) and limped my bike home. The gas is so bad, that even after sitting at home for 30 min, with a kerosene heater on it, it was damn near impossible to start... I hope noone else bought gas where I did - it would make for a lousy ride (power cutting out mid corner). Anyway, hope everyone had a good time - and made it home safe too... Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 08:04:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01007; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:04:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10290; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01228; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AAF8E000E8; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:04:56 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971215075920.009b2100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:59:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: riders.. [Long and philosophical] In-Reply-To: <349161E5.9E71FAEF@illuminet.net> References: <9712128819.AA881935550@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:10 AM 12/12/97 -0500, Leon Begeman wrote: >Brian McCoy wrote: > >> What makes us different from these other people. . . . So why >> do so precious few people ride? > >I remember one of the first times I ever talked to someone like you describe. >It was at a PARR Polar Bear Ride. He was complaining about never getting to >ride his bike. Now that he had a house, there were always so many things to be >done that there was never time to go for a ride. By the time he got home from >work he was tired, and it seems like it got dark so early. That's one of the great things about motorcycling -- it's something you can do that you love, and you can do it while you're doing something else. So a ride to work isn't just a commute, it's a RIDE! (P.S. I think Peter Egan wrote one of his fabulous columns about this.) I remember sitting around a big-screen TV getting ready to watch the big Daytona race one year, and one fellow was bemoaning how he "didn't have time to ride". My feelings are that I take very little "time to ride" and I get 100 miles a week. >There are a lot of people that I know fairly well who have never seen me in a >car. I think I knew Chris Norloff for about 5 years before he ever saw me in a >car. He knew I had them at my house, but I never did anything with them. This is true! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 08:47:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01411; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10620; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01686; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:47:12 -0500 (EST) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Mon Dec 15 08:41 EST 1997 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA00855 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com) by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA05791 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:47:37 -0500 Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0935.FFEF4730@XXXXXX>; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:46:56 -0500 Message-Id: To: Subject: WEB site for Used MC prices Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:47:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know the web address for finding used motorcycle prices? Thanks. --John Bandit 600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 09:27:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01850; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10798; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02264; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA01088 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA11265 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:26:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971215142658.ITRG28757@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:26:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:23 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Subject: Re: punctual.. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971215142658.ITRG28757@[166.41.242.141]> I had a feeling we were gonna miss someone. Your watch is definitely off the mark though Brian. We met first at Coleman Powersport on Telegraph road and hung out 'til around 9:40am. I and a few others left for Thunder USA and arrived there around 9:55am. We met Sean and Jeannette en route. About 10 minutes later, everyone else from Coleman showed and we left, about 10:05am. BTW, what gas station did you use. There was a shell and exxon close by that people were using. Todd Brian McCoy writes: You are all way to punctual.. I showed up at the shopping center at, my time, 9:47am. I had someone walk over and tell me that you all had left like 5 minutes before... Since when does a ride leave BEFORE the scheduled time? Oh-well.. it's chalked up to a difference in watches, maybe bad/misunderstood directions too. Not to worry, I filled up with some of the worst gas in the region (it HAS to be 50% water) and limped my bike home. The gas is so bad, that even after sitting at home for 30 min, with a kerosene heater on it, it was damn near impossible to start... I hope noone else bought gas where I did - it would make for a lousy ride (power cutting out mid corner). Anyway, hope everyone had a good time - and made it home safe too... Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 09:32:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02009; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10830; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02574; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:32:47 -0500 (EST) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Mon Dec 15 09:27 EST 1997 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA17540 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA08219 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:33:11 -0500 Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD093C.86256F90@XXXXXX>; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:33:38 -0500 Message-Id: To: Subject: Used MC web site; FYI Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:33:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I went here: http://www.carprice.com/NewPages/cycle/cycle.htm and found almost all the information I could ever need. Although it stated there was a $6.00 fee involved for obtaining the report, if you click on "get cycle information", it will take you to a list of prices. It gives wholesale and retail in order of model and cc's. Later . . . --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 09:37:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02289; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10856; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02815; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA04718 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA09224 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:36:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971215143614.EGQN6587@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:36:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3495405E.D6602A16@mci.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:36:14 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Sunday Trip Report References: <34948C46.5822@mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, I discovered that my watch somehow lost two hours somewhere during the ride. Of course I was the self-proclaimed time-keeper, telling everyone it was "only 1:05" while we were at the post office in Elkwood, when it was most likely after 3:00. I aplologize if anyone was inconvenienced. (I remember a couple of people saying they at 4:00 appointments). Hope you didn't miss anything important. Damned Timex. the hard core, oil and gas spewing bike riding, killer lasagna making, clueless timekeeping, Horkster John C. Kozyn wrote: > Greetings DC Moto Afficionados : > > Well, I just back home from our little jaunt today and I'm happy to say > my house is warm inside :) Today's ride was definitely cool (in both > senses of the word) > > Chris Meier had offered to lead us on a ride once done by the PARR group > and we met this morning at Coleman Poser Sports (good one Horkster ;) in > Woodbridge. In attendance we had in (relative) order of appearance : > > Moi : '85 VF700F Stealth Interceptor > Louis (is that right?) : '98 Concours > Todd : ST1100 (some say it's a V4 too ;) > Chris : '94 RF900 (never saw one before today - nice bike) > Howard : '97 YZF 750 (with Hindle system + character!) > Morris : Kawasaki 1100 > Mike : GL1200 > Dale : LTD (oil-spewing) 1000 (there was a good reason for the rain gear > ;^D > John : Bandit 600 > Jack : '97 TL1000 > Sean : 600F3 > Jeanette : '86 VF500F > > (OK, the above is from memory so take it easy you guys!) > > Our affable facilitator provided all with well-made ride sheets - VF > cool! Anyway, we started out great. Later we had a few fits and starts > as directions needed to be verified, but no matter. Chris was a prudent > leader, although I noticed my ponies were chomping on the bit, begging > to go just a little faster =:^D I also found it interesting that Chris > would always seem to find a church to regroup in (twice) and once next > to a cemetary. (Anyone else thinking spiritual yearning...? ;) > > At one point - this must be said Ms. O'Brien :) - when given the toss up > between stopping at a yellow (two bikes were behind me) in Warrenton, I > opted to do so only to see Jeanette's "babe-'ceptor" shoot through the > light on my right (well after it was orange ;). Next thing that Dale > (Mr. Lasagna to the non-cognoscenti) and I hear, then see, is a county > boy flash his blues and take off in front of us. I surely thought > Jeanette was gonna get nabbed ! Happily she wasn't. Whew! > > After lunch with some of Warrenton's friendly denizens in a Wendy's that > Chris had somehow (magically) turned into a Burger King, we headed back > out for a couple more legs of our planned route only to find that > Kelly's Crossing (Rte 620) was closed due to construction. At that point > (1445 hrs) we took off up Rte 15-29 up to I-66 where Todd unleashed his > ponies, and gave new meaning to the Linda Rondstadt song "Blue Bayou" > (e-mail me privately if this went - 'whooosh' - over your head ;) > > Speaking of songs, at the BK's we were at, they had the obligatory muzak > tape playing throughout this fine eating establishment. I, however, was > shocked to hear Pink Floyd being played (!!) - a song from Meddle > (1973). Unbelievable. Then again I hear people are very progressive in > Warrenton... > > Unfortunately, no one took me up on my offer to ply our crew with brew > after the ride, which is probably just as well since my wife hates the > idea of surprise guests. (I happen to have half a keg of Rolling Rock > here, hope it doesn't go flat before it's gone!) > > BTW, curiously absent from the ride were (in no particular order): Kevin > Thomas, Collin Fagan and Brian (OK-I'll-fix-your-bike-for-you-Jeanette) > McCoy. WTH happened to you slackers? ! > > Anyway I had a great time today. Thanks again Chris! > > J (D-mode) K > (http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 10:04:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03543; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11145; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:04:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04931; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA11981; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:02:48 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCD54@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday Ride Report... Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:01:59 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Once again I was the only girl - just the way I like it!! ; ) ha ha My friend Marcy can't wait to get her bike up & running to join us after I told her the odds. You women, get out here with us!! The two "high" points for me were when I ran over the innocent smashed squirrel lying in the middle of the road - where did my swerve techniques disappear to? Actually, I think I was off & running somewhere in my mind when I hit it - then watched it bounce in the air, praying it wouldn't hit Todd! Then, poor Todd had to pull over with me when my glove wouldn't go back on! I started hearing the telltale engine sign of lack of gas, and when I tried to turn the petcock (is that the word(?)) with my electric gloves on, no go! They're too thick. So, off with the glove, then I was ok, except I couldn't get the damn glove back on, my hand was freezing and was riding along with my glove flapping in the air by the electric wire - thank Goddess for attachable gloves, eh?...when Todd pulls by me & motions me over mentioning that he sure as hell didn't want to catch my glove in his face!! I also was pretty well sunburned when I got home. Next time I've got to remember the sunblock. I had a great time, as usual, thanks to BRIAN MCCOY, who offered his services to help start my bike. I figured who else would know as much about my bike as him, huh? Thank you, Brian!! Where was Collin, by the way!!?? - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 10:08:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03635; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11164; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05016; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A7DDB90136; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:08:13 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971215095536.0094f260@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:55:36 -0500 To: jcarver@XXXXXX, From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: WEB site for Used MC prices In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:47 AM 12/15/97 -0500, jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: >Does anyone know the web address for finding used motorcycle prices? Thanks. http://www.mcnews.com Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 10:18:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03860; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11273; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05210; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA04105 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:18:29 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:18:29 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Report... Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:19:12 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT >I tried to turn the petcock (is that the word(?)) Yes it is >when Todd pulls by me & motions me over mentioning that he >sure as hell didn't want to catch my glove in his face!! Better the glove than the squirrel Michael (looking for glove liners (it was COLD this morning)) Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 10:52:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04822; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11908; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06387; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id KAA28340; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:50:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3495516B.ECC0549A@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:48:59 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , vfr list Subject: For Sale 92 VFR 750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For Sale: 1992 Honda VFR 750 30k miles fresh black paint Two Bros. full right exit exhaust Jet kit Alarm Stock pipe and center stand $4800 OBO Great bike smooth running (almost too smoth) The bike was hit by a car while parked and was damaged on both sides the damages has been repaired the bike has been repainted but there a few signs from the hit (scuffed pegs and pipe) nothing is bent it ride perfect. I have put about 1000 miles on it sense I got it 5 months ago. I am in touch with past owners. Located in Potomac MD Jay From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 11:00:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05060; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12059; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06994; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id KAA28371 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:58:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3495534E.FB5190C6@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:57:02 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: NIH motorcycle question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know there are at least two people that ride to NIH (Leon and I). Has anybody ever gotten a hard time for parking in dead lot space? I would like to park in the space between the bike rack and the Handicap parking in front of building 6. Sorry about the WOBW for those of you that don't work here. Thanks, Jay From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 11:01:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05081; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:01:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12112; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08431; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id KAA28359 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:54:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3495524D.C6B4BF65@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:52:45 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: You might be a year round rider if... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone calls on a add you have in the paper for a 92 VFR750. When you tell them it has 30k miles they gasp and ask if the motor was rebuilt... and you almost fell out of my chair laughing at them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 11:04:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05141; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12183; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07206; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA12020 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA28019 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971215160219.JDXS28757@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:02:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:58 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Stripped Bolts.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971215160219.JDXS28757@[166.41.242.141]> Thanks to everyone who made suggestions as to methodically removing a stripped bolt. Now I have a reason to buy a Dremel tool!! But that just means I have another question. Where does one purchase a Dremel tool? What is a fair price? Do they come with sufficient accessories, or do I need to buy a set of accessories as well? Thanks again. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 11:56:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09493; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14450; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14358; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A47118E0144; Mon Dec 15 11:01:53 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:52:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD094F.EF1A8180.jywon@imisys.com> From: Justin Won Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles Subject: Dremel Tool (was RE: Stripped Bolts....) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:52:32 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just purchased one from Hechingers for $79.99. It's the ProKit Plus, and it has all the bits and accessories, inculding a 16" flexible snake head, in a plastic case. K-mart also has the ProKit for $59.99, which has fewer accessories and sans flexi-head, but still with the nice plastic tool case. These are the best retail prices I could find in this area. Justin On Monday, December 15, 1997 10:58 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Thanks to everyone who made suggestions as to methodically removing > a stripped bolt. Now I have a reason to buy a Dremel tool!! > > But that just means I have another question. Where does one purchase > a Dremel tool? What is a fair price? Do they come with sufficient > accessories, or do I need to buy a set of accessories as well? > > Thanks again. > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 11:56:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09521; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14456; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14364; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20594; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:54:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14652; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:54:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712151654.LAA14652@clark.net> Subject: Re: NIH motorcycle question To: goddardj@XXXXXX (jay goddard) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:54:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <3495534E.FB5190C6@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> from "jay goddard" at Dec 15, 97 10:57:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I know there are at least two people that ride to NIH (Leon and I). Has > anybody ever gotten a hard time for parking in dead lot space? I would > like to park in the space between the bike rack and the Handicap parking > in front of building 6. I have a friend who works at NIH, and once stopped there for lunch ('bout 11:30 am) Took me 20 minutes to find a motorcycle parking spot! Most had cars in them, plus there weren't all that many (that I could find anyway). When I mentioned it to the parking guard (the guy who collects money at one of the pay lots) he just shrugged his shoulders and said "Not my problem." If I could find m/c parking more easily, I'd stop by for lunch more often. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 12:17:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10450; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15233; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15963; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29353 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:15:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03171 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:15:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712151715.MAA03171@clark.net> Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Report... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:15:03 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCD54@badge.tuckerflyer.com> from "O'Brien, Jeannette" at Dec 15, 97 10:01:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Once again I was the only girl - just the way I like it!! ; ) ha ha > My friend Marcy can't wait to get her bike up & running to join us after > I told her the odds. You women, get out here with us!! > - Jeannette I've been trying to convince several of my women friends to learn to ride and get their own bikes. Most of them just said they are happy to ride with me and don't need their own bikes. One of them did start thinking about taking the MSF Class after we were on a poker run and she talked to two women riding their own bikes. Would be nice to get more women on these rides so Jeannette won't look like the sole love slave to a biker gang during the stops! Actually, in 3 of the 4 MSF courses I've taught so far, there were a significant (1/3 - 1/2) proportion of women students. The 1 odd class only had one woman. Most of them say they are bored on the back of the bike and want to ride their own bikes. Louis BTW: Took the "What kind of biker are you" test and came out a "Traditionalist." The description was pretty accurate, only it has me complaning about these "young" hooligans on race replicas. I'll be 28 in two weeks!! I'm still young darn it!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 12:17:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10460; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15239; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:15:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15970; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:10:08 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:15:06 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Sunday Ride I thought Chris Meier was trying to reform the band of hardened riders on Sunday. Like the ghosts who visit Scrooge in a Christmas Carol, he showed us houses of worship in which we could find redemption, and then a graveyard to remind us of our mortality. I am a changed man after that ride. :) Seriously, thanks for leading Chris. It was fun to get out with everyone. Cool riders, cool bikes and a very cool day. Sean You know you are a winter rider when you evolve. You develop a layer of blubber and hair sprouts from your back. At least, I think that's why it happened to me. John Kozyn wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also found it interesting that Chris would always seem to find a church to regroup in (twice) and once next to a cemetary. (Anyone else thinking spiritual yearning...? ;) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 12:32:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10835; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15568; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16383; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:30:19 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA0231DE4C@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: jywon@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: RE: Dremel Tool (was RE: Stripped Bolts....) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:32:47 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Its hard to believe Hechinger has the "best price" on anything. Did you price it at Home Depot? They are typically always cheaper then Hechinger. Same with K-mart, their prices haven't been the greatest in recent years and they *never* have anything in stock that they advertise. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I just purchased one from Hechingers for $79.99. It's the ProKit > Plus, and > it has all the bits and accessories, inculding a 16" flexible snake > head, > in a plastic case. K-mart also has the ProKit for $59.99, which has > fewer > accessories and sans flexi-head, but still with the nice plastic tool > case. > These are the best retail prices I could find in this area. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 12:33:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10890; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15598; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16431; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA06278; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:29:38 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCD65@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Report... Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:28:50 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Wait a minute, I thought YOU ALL were my love slaves!! Me & my harem... - J > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 15, 1997 12:15 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Report... > > > > Once again I was the only girl - just the way I like it!! ; ) ha > ha > > My friend Marcy can't wait to get her bike up & running to join us > after > > I told her the odds. You women, get out here with us!! > > > - Jeannette > > I've been trying to convince several of my women friends to learn to > ride > and get their own bikes. Most of them just said they are happy to > ride > with me and don't need their own bikes. One of them did start > thinking > about taking the MSF Class after we were on a poker run and she talked > to > two women riding their own bikes. Would be nice to get more women on > these > rides so Jeannette won't look like the sole love slave to a biker gang > during the stops! > > Actually, in 3 of the 4 MSF courses I've taught so far, there were a > significant (1/3 - 1/2) proportion of women students. The 1 odd class > only had one woman. Most of them say they are bored on the back of > the bike > and want to ride their own bikes. > > Louis > > BTW: Took the "What kind of biker are you" test and came out a > "Traditionalist." The description was pretty accurate, only it has me > complaning about these "young" hooligans on race replicas. I'll be 28 > in > two weeks!! I'm still young darn it!! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | > www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm > Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | > louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 12:44:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11315; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15831; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:42:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17146; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id Y1WDF7JR; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:49:53 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:44:09 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0957.231DC440.anita@dlt.com> From: Anita Lauro Reply-To: "2xracers@XXXXXX" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "DC-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Report... Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:43:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Monday, December 15, 1997 12:15 PM, Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] wrote: > I've been trying to convince several of my women friends to learn to ride > and get their own bikes. Most of them just said they are happy to ride > with me and don't need their own bikes. One of them did start thinking > about taking the MSF Class after we were on a poker run and she talked to > two women riding their own bikes. Would be nice to get more women on these > rides so Jeannette won't look like the sole love slave to a biker gang > during the stops! Well, I would have liked to attend but the combination of (1) way cold (2) not nearly enough winter riding gear (3) way early start time and (4) even earlier start time for me to make it from Sterling to Woodbridge by the previously mentioned "way early start time" caused me to wimp out. Just as well, actually... I rode around for an hour or so later in the day and froze... I'm ordering electric gloves today!! Of course, it figures that the 50 degree weather will be during the week!!! Augh... maybe I'll sneak out of work one afternoon. Catch you all next time! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 12:51:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11421; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15998; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17447; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:49:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:49:51 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA0231DE50@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Louis F. Caplan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Report... Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:52:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) No, you wait a minute. You told me I was the only one ;-) Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Wait a minute, I thought YOU ALL were my love slaves!! Me & my > harem... > > - J > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 12:56:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11495; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16116; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17756; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA14513 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:55:55 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma014431; Mon, 15 Dec 97 12:55:26 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA03360 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882208358; Mon, 15 Dec 97 12:52:39 -0500 Message-Id: <9712158822.AA882208358@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 12:49:35 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Sunday Ride Report... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Careful, she's got whips.. i've seen em. ;) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Wait a minute, I thought YOU ALL were my love slaves!! Me & my harem... - J > > > Once again I was the only girl - just the way I like it!! ; ) ha > ha > > My friend Marcy can't wait to get her bike up & running to join us > after > > I told her the odds. You women, get out here with us!! > > > - Jeannette > > I've been trying to convince several of my women friends to learn to > ride > and get their own bikes. Most of them just said they are happy to > ride > with me and don't need their own bikes. One of them did start > thinking > about taking the MSF Class after we were on a poker run and she talked > to > two women riding their own bikes. Would be nice to get more women on > these > rides so Jeannette won't look like the sole love slave to a biker gang > during the stops! > > Actually, in 3 of the 4 MSF courses I've taught so far, there were a > significant (1/3 - 1/2) proportion of women students. The 1 odd class > only had one woman. Most of them say they are bored on the back of > the bike > and want to ride their own bikes. > > Louis > > BTW: Took the "What kind of biker are you" test and came out a > "Traditionalist." The description was pretty accurate, only it has me > complaning about these "young" hooligans on race replicas. I'll be 28 > in > two weeks!! I'm still young darn it!! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | > www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm > Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | > louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 12:56:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11501; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16108; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17736; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IR7CAWPSFK8ZKSM6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:55:51 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:46:25 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:46:25 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:46:59 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Winter rider, was Re: Sunday Ride To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:47:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1585IDT2R4Z8 X400-MTS-identifier: [;52642151217991/2189415@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Sean Sullivan wrote: >You know you are a winter rider when you evolve. You develop a layer of >blubber and hair sprouts from your back. At least, I think that's why it >happened to me. Ah, I hadn't considered this... While I haven't grown hair on my back (yet) I have developed the precious insulating layer of blubber. Thinking about it, my body is also evolving to eliminate my helmet hair problem. The hair is simply not growing and/or falling out. Problem solved! I'm still waiting for the shoulder/knee/elbow/etc callouses to develop so I won't have to wear protective gear... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 12:57:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11529; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:57:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16156; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17806; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA05068 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA27449 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971215175632.JQAB28757@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:56:32 -0600 Message-ID: <34956F50.19307AB6@mci.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:56:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: [Fwd: Sunday Ride Report...] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7FF5C58A9FFBAE1A8F92B7BE" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7FF5C58A9FFBAE1A8F92B7BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------7FF5C58A9FFBAE1A8F92B7BE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <34956F3A.B4C1F8CB@mci.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:56:11 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'Louis F. Caplan'" Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Report... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCD65@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shhhh! My wife is gonna join this list! Don't spoil it! :-) Horkster O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Wait a minute, I thought YOU ALL were my love slaves!! Me & my harem... > > - J --------------7FF5C58A9FFBAE1A8F92B7BE-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 12:59:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11567; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16234; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17950; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16817 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:59:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11492 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:58:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712151758.MAA11492@clark.net> Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Report... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:58:58 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA0231DE50@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> from "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" at Dec 15, 97 12:52:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > No, you wait a minute. You told me I was the only one ;-) > > Glenn Dysart > DysarGB@XXXXXX Don't like sharing your toys Glenn? > > Wait a minute, I thought YOU ALL were my love slaves!! Me & my > > harem... > > > > - J Us being your love slaves, you being our love slave... all works out the same in the end. Hmmm, maybe we need dc-cycles-slaves. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 13:00:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11608; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16260; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17996; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA13810 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:52:24 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma013759; Mon, 15 Dec 97 12:52:07 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA03297 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:52:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882208158; Mon, 15 Dec 97 12:49:20 -0500 Message-Id: <9712158822.AA882208158@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 12:48:45 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Dremel Tool (was RE: Stripped Bolts....) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember when this particular 'set' came out (Feb?) - it was listed at 79.99 then - so all these 'sale' prices are just the sugessted retail price. Typical salesmanship.. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Its hard to believe Hechinger has the "best price" on anything. Did you price it at Home Depot? They are typically always cheaper then Hechinger. Same with K-mart, their prices haven't been the greatest in recent years and they *never* have anything in stock that they advertise. > I just purchased one from Hechingers for $79.99. It's the ProKit > Plus, and > it has all the bits and accessories, inculding a 16" flexible snake > head, > in a plastic case. K-mart also has the ProKit for $59.99, which has > fewer > accessories and sans flexi-head, but still with the nice plastic tool > case. > These are the best retail prices I could find in this area. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 13:23:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12117; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17044; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18840; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA15005; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA10895; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:21:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971215182148.JSBW28757@XXXXXX>; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:21:48 -0600 Message-ID: <3495753B.E0EC4CB0@mci.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:21:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Report... References: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA0231DE50@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit She meant the only one at *THAT* moment, that's all! Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > No, you wait a minute. You told me I was the only one ;-) > > Glenn Dysart From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 13:47:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12759; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17536; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:45:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20037; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:42:07 -0500 Message-ID: <7276953401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:41:45 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Subject: $80.00 bolt... Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway This goes to show you what cheap tools cost you. If you had used a good quality 6-point socket in the first place, you'd have the thing apart by now. The idea of buying a Dremel tool for one bolt is insane. It may be possible to remove the bolt head by drilling it off. Start with a small diameter pilot hole, then change to a diameter that is just larger than the bolt shank. After removing the cam gear, you can use a stud extractor, or even a small pipe wrench to remove the remains from the cam flange. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 13:51:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12822; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17743; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20201; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA20401 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:49:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA26628 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:49:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971215184937.HBDD6587@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:49:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:45 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Dremel Tool (was RE: Stripped Bolts....) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971215184937.HBDD6587@[166.41.242.141]> OK. I found it at the Home Depot, ProKit Plus with all the bits that come with it, $79.99 ($83.?? w/tax). The ProKit by itself is $59.99 and comes with a few bits. Todd Message-Id: <9712158822.AA882208158@smtplink.micros.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 12:48:45 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Dremel Tool (was RE: Stripped Bolts....) I remember when this particular 'set' came out (Feb?) - it was listed at 79.99 then - so all these 'sale' prices are just the sugessted retail price. Typical salesmanship.. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Its hard to believe Hechinger has the "best price" on anything. Did you price it at Home Depot? They are typically always cheaper then Hechinger. Same with K-mart, their prices haven't been the greatest in recent years and they *never* have anything in stock that they advertise. > I just purchased one from Hechingers for $79.99. It's the ProKit > Plus, and > it has all the bits and accessories, inculding a 16" flexible snake > head, > in a plastic case. K-mart also has the ProKit for $59.99, which has > fewer > accessories and sans flexi-head, but still with the nice plastic tool > case. > These are the best retail prices I could find in this area. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 14:12:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13187; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18123; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20887; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:11:46 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:11:46 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-0); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:11:46 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Stripped Bolts.... Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:17:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT >But that just means I have another question. Where does one purchase >a Dremel tool? What is a fair price? Do they come with sufficient >accessories, or do I need to buy a set of accessories as well? Todd, WalMart will probably give you the best price - they have accessories too. All that I'd add initially to the kit are some heavy duty cutoff wheels - the light duty ones they include tend to wear out (or break) too quickly when chewing through bolts. Oh yeah - get a good pair of safety goggles - cutoff wheels can get exciting at 30K RPM Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 14:14:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13212; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18162; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20971; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA05378 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA07696 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:13:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971215191309.JYNW215@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:13:09 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:09 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: France vs. USA X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971215191309.JYNW215@[166.41.242.141]> For a good reason to move to France, check this out..... http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mikecoan/StoryonPoliceinFrance.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 14:25:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13487; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18432; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21564; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA09738; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA22433; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971215192419.JXJO28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:24:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:20 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Adams, Bill" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Subject: Re: $80.00 bolt... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971215192419.JXJO28757@[166.41.242.141]> Hey Bill, Lighten up man! I have been eyeing a Dremel tool for years and happened to have the cash to buy it. So I did. That bolt will be just the first of many items that will be worked over by the tool. As far as using a six point socket...yeah, duh. I've had that cam in and out numerous times and this one time (actually about 4 years ago) I was in a hurry. Socket not seated correctly and, shit! It just got worse with my ministration. Tried the drill bit trick and broke the f-ker off in the bolt. Now I have the time and patience to do what I need to, and hopefully won't screw the pooch before I'm done. If anybody would like to save me the time and just buy this bike, I'll take $850 as is. You wait till spring and we start at $1,200. 1983 VT500c Shadow. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ Bill Adams wrote: >This goes to show you what cheap tools cost you. If you had used a good >quality 6-point socket in the first place, you'd have the thing apart by >now. The idea of buying a Dremel tool for one bolt is insane. >It may be possible to remove the bolt head by drilling it off. Start with >a small diameter pilot hole, then change to a diameter that is just >larger than the bolt shank. >After removing the cam gear, you can use a stud extractor, or even a >small pipe wrench to remove the remains from the cam flange. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 14:26:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13508; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18497; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21661; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.66.178]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA8745; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:26:08 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "jay goddard" , , "vfr list" Subject: Re: For Sale 92 VFR 750 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:23:15 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971215192606.AAA8745@default> Hey, y'all-- The bike Jay is selling is my old one. It's nice. Buy it. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 14:27:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13515; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18504; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21672; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA05148 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:26:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA16304 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971215192628.JXOY28757@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:26:28 -0600 Message-ID: <34958463.D0038EEF@mci.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:26:27 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Stripped Bolts.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone explain to the unlearned such as myself exactly what a Dremel tool is? A curious Horkster > >But that just means I have another question. Where does one purchase > >a Dremel tool? What is a fair price? Do they come with sufficient > >accessories, or do I need to buy a set of accessories as well? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 14:31:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13612; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18560; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:31:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21781; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:31:05 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 8525656E.006B501D ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:32:08 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525656E.006AAE81.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:32:05 -0400 Subject: Dremel tool Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This goes to show you what cheap tools cost you. If you had used a good quality 6-point socket in the first place, you'd have the thing apart by now. The idea of buying a Dremel tool for one bolt is insane. Hey Todd you've just been accused of using cheap tools. Are you going to let him get away with that? ;-) Unless of course you really have been using cheap tools. 8-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 14:34:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13687; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18682; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21881; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA19348; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:41:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:41:01 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: jay goddard cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: NIH motorcycle question In-Reply-To: <3495534E.FB5190C6@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No problems so far (occasional use). I generally ask the parking lot guard (clinical center) and have talked with the traffic cop at NLM and point out that it saves a cage space. --garcia On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, jay goddard wrote: > I know there are at least two people that ride to NIH (Leon and I). Has > anybody ever gotten a hard time for parking in dead lot space? I would > like to park in the space between the bike rack and the Handicap parking > in front of building 6. > > Sorry about the WOBW for those of you that don't work here. > > Thanks, > > Jay > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 14:44:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13869; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18994; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22117; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA12081; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:43:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA03226; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:43:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971215194327.JZEE28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:43:27 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:39 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: sbeck@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dremel tool X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971215194327.JZEE28757@[166.41.242.141]> >This goes to show you what cheap tools cost you. If you had used a good >quality 6-point socket in the first place, you'd have the thing apart by >now. The idea of buying a Dremel tool for one bolt is insane. Hey Todd you've just been accused of using cheap tools. Are you going to let him get away with that? ;-) Unless of course you really have been using cheap tools. 8-) No I'm not letting him get away with it. Haven't you been reading? I'm an "Angry Biker"! :p Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 15:23:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14783; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19451; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23784; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA20446 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from michael.chem.gwu.edu ([128.164.160.155]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA13155 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:23:01 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971215151413.007a1370@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:14:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael P. Tolocka" Subject: Two Questions... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey all: As I was caging up to Battley's to do some Xmas shopping I was thinking (dangerous I know)... when and if you do have to get in a cage, do you think that riding makes you a better driver? Secondly, where on the web is this test? _aloha_ Michael P. Tolocka Department of Chemistry The George Washington University AMA#608333 1990 CB-1 _Keep the Shiny Side Up_ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 15:26:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14815; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19492; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23863; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-as107s32.erols.com [207.172.60.95]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16836; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:24:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34959343.22CFC861@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:29:55 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Report... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCD54@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Man, I just knew I was gonna catch hell when I decided to wuss out yesterday :) When I went outside at 0730 to move my truck, there was lots of ice and stuff around and it was COLD!! So I promptly went back in the house and crawled into my warm bed....Although, I did feel kinda bad when I saw how much sunshine was out....Oh well, life goes on... CT -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 15:44:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15200; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19870; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24628; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA13773 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:44:06 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:44:06 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Report... Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:44:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT >I'm ordering electric gloves today!! Anita - go for the vest - the theory is (from Widder, if I recall correctly) that if the body core gets cold, the body shuts bloodflow to the extremeties down to conserve heat - warm chest, warm fingers (& toes). This is not to say don't buy electric gloves, but get the vest first Michael (warm heart, warm hands) Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 15:48:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15250; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19906; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24772; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:48:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IR7I65ITM88ZKWRN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:44:20 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:35:20 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:35:20 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:35:54 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Two Questions... To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:35:55 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E999IDT3CZNP X400-MTS-identifier: [;02535151217991/2190145@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >As I was caging up to Battley's to do some Xmas shopping I was thinking >(dangerous I know)... when and if you do have to get in a cage, do you >think that riding makes you a better driver? Apparently, riders in England (perhaps all of the UK?) get a break on their car insurance because they're (we're) supposed to be better drivers. I saw this in one of the brit bike mags (Bike or Performance Bikes). >Secondly, where on the web is this test? The test hardly had any answers for me. Apparently, I'm a biker hors categorie! Just as I suspected. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 15:49:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15277; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19923; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24806; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA14974; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA21528; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:48:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971215204843.KIBK215@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:48:43 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:44 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Michael P. Tolocka" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Caging Skills Was: Two Questions... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971215204843.KIBK215@[166.41.242.141]> I honestly believe that riding makes for a more attentive driver. When I get behind the wheel, I notice that I am more aware of my surroundings than most drivers apparently seem NOT to be. I also drive at sedate speeds, often at the limit. Yeah, yeah, yeah I know I'm supposed to, but I'm not used to people constantly passing by me. ;^) I signal well in advance of making a move. I stay out of the passing lanes when I'm not passing. One thing I don't always do is wear my seatbelt which is strange given the effort I put forth to dress for a bike crash. I guess it's because I rarely use my car, so I forget. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ '88 2.8efi Black Beretta. Bought with 28k in 1990, now has 68k on. To Michael: Go to http://www.erack.com/mcw/mcwhome.htm and click on "What Kind of Biker are You" by Performance Bikes. Hey all: >As I was caging up to Battley's to do some Xmas shopping I was thinking >(dangerous I know)... when and if you do have to get in a cage, do you >think that riding makes you a better driver? > >Secondly, where on the web is this test? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 15:58:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15464; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20112; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:57:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25186; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA13238; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:56:16 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCD6F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'DC-Cycles (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Report... Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:55:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'd advise buying Gerbing's jacket liner & gloves instead. The jacket collar is heated, too. Let me know & I'll send you the web page hookup. I'm toasty warm in the mornings!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 15, 1997 3:45 PM > To: 'DC-Cycles (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Report... > > >I'm ordering electric gloves today!! > > Anita - go for the vest - the theory is (from Widder, if I recall > correctly) that if the body core gets cold, the body shuts bloodflow > to > the extremeties down to conserve heat - warm chest, warm fingers (& > toes). > > This is not to say don't buy electric gloves, but get the vest first > > Michael (warm heart, warm hands) Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 16:01:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15590; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20205; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25408; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:00:57 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525656E.007352F5 ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:59:38 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525656E.0072FEDE.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:59:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Two Questions... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=iKMZ2qJQusLD7JFikx98TigMFvFOdsjTqlmqKJwXuDlhqIuJeqrtDveW" --0__=iKMZ2qJQusLD7JFikx98TigMFvFOdsjTqlmqKJwXuDlhqIuJeqrtDveW Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I definitely think riding a bike makes you a better cage driver...I mean, we know the importance of paying absolute attention, not taking a curve too hot, watching out for ice...granted the consequences of hitting a patch of ice in a car are slightly less severe. I've definitely become a better cage driver since learning to ride the bike (and taking the MSF course)...they should teach more of the SIPDE stuff in drivers ed courses, dontcha think? -Doug moving back to VA Feb 1st, yay! '81 soooozooookeeeee GS750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved "Michael P. Tolocka" at to file: AMS-Internet PIC18538.PCX) 12/15/97 03:37 PM To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Two Questions... Hey all: As I was caging up to Battley's to do some Xmas shopping I was thinking (dangerous I know)... when and if you do have to get in a cage, do you think that riding makes you a better driver? Secondly, where on the web is this test? _aloha_ Michael P. 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Tolocka" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Two Questions... References: <3.0.5.32.19971215151413.007a1370@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I don't drive, my driving skills deteriorate. I haven't had this problem as much this past year as I have in other years. Leon. Michael P. Tolocka wrote: > As I was caging up to Battley's to do some Xmas shopping I was thinking > (dangerous I know)... when and if you do have to get in a cage, do you > think that riding makes you a better driver? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 16:40:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16416; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:40:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21186; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26866; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:39:34 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525656E.0076E20D ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:38:31 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525656E.00743093.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:38:20 -0500 Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Report... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=hNM50J4QXM9vpUMMRaTtQQISujd8Tr3JR0e4ldc4Z4K9cg5cqNiV1xsn" --0__=hNM50J4QXM9vpUMMRaTtQQISujd8Tr3JR0e4ldc4Z4K9cg5cqNiV1xsn Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd tempted to say the opposite...the Gerbing may come with a heated collar (I think it costs extra with the Widder) but I didn't like the way the Gerbing gloves looked...I think the Widder's come up further (longer wrist cuff), they're very warm, and I haven't had a problem with sensitive controls (i.e. petcock) while riding with them...and admittedly they're a bit big for me. Not saying that one is better than the other ('cuz after spending the ca$h for a vest and gloves you're ready to stand behind the product, right Jeanette? I feel the same way :-) ) but you should take a look at whats out there and decide for yourself. Both Gerbing and Widder have great web sites, too. good warm riding to all! -Doug 81 GS 750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved "O'Brien, Jeannette" to file: at AMS-Internet PIC07156.PCX) 12/15/97 04:09 PM To: mike @ visa.com at AMS-Internet@ccmail, dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: Douglas Brashear Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Report... I'd advise buying Gerbing's jacket liner & gloves instead. The jacket collar is heated, too. Let me know & I'll send you the web page hookup. I'm toasty warm in the mornings!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 15, 1997 3:45 PM > To: 'DC-Cycles (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Report... > > >I'm ordering electric gloves today!! > > Anita - go for the vest - the theory is (from Widder, if I recall > correctly) that if the body core gets cold, the body shuts bloodflow > to > the extremeties down to conserve heat - warm chest, warm fingers (& > toes). > > This is not to say don't buy electric gloves, but get the vest first > > Michael (warm heart, warm hands) Jordan (See attached file: RFC822.TXT) --0__=hNM50J4QXM9vpUMMRaTtQQISujd8Tr3JR0e4ldc4Z4K9cg5cqNiV1xsn Content-type: application/octet-stream; name="PIC07156.PCX" Content-transfer-encoding: x-uuencode begin 644 PIC07156.PCX M"@4!"`````!H`"P````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````!:0`!```````````````````````````` M``````````````````````````````````````````````````#U$]L3S1/' M$\,3PA/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/U$]L3 MS1/'$\,3PA/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/U M$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/P$PS(!@S8$\P3QA/#$\(3[A/.!M<3S!/&$\,3$^P3P@;" M!P;"$@;"$@;"$L4&UA/+$\83PQ,3ZA,,P@8'P@+"`P(2P@?$$L,"PP;5$\L3 MQ1/#$Q/I$\,&`P<"!P,"PA+#!\(2P@(2P@+#!M43RA/%$\,3$^@3P@('`\(" M$PX##@+#$\42PP+"$,(&U!/*$\43PQ,3YQ,"`P<#`@X3#@(3P@(2#\(2#\(2 M!1("$<("PP;4$\H3Q1/"$Q/F$P8"!P,"#@(.P@+#$Q(3$A/"$@\&Q@+#!M,, M#`?)$\03PA,3YA,&PP(3!@,"#A+%$P\2$\(2!@(#PA(#$L,&!],#QPP'Q1/# M$Q/E$P8'`A$2`@\"PA,/PA,/Q!,/Q1(0P@(#`@,"!M,#QP/$#`?#$\(3X1,' MPPS"!@+"$A,"#Q+($\,2#\,2PP(0`P(#!@?2#,D#P@/"#`?"$Q/;$P?&#,(# M#`('$1(3$A,2PQ,/PQ,/PQ/#$@(#`@,"PP,"!@S1$P?'#,8##,(3$]83!\4, MR`,&!\("!A+#`L83$A,2$Q(/PA('`@<"`P40`@81!@?2$\43!\0,P@,,PA,3 MTA,'Q`S+`\(,!L(2#Q$2$Q(3`PX#Q!,2$Q(3PQ("!P/"`L,##,(&!](3R1,' MPPS"$Q//$P?##,D#Q0P'PA,&!Q(3`A$"$P,.`@[#$Q(3#Q,/PQ(#`@,"!P," M#`81!@?2$\D3PA/"#,(3$\P3!\,,QP/$#,('QQ,&Q!+#`@X##@(&P@_($@(# MP@(#`@P"$,(&!](3R1,'#`<,PA,3RA,'P@S&`\,,P@?,$P8'PA+"$`(.`@X" M#A##`A(/QA(%`@7#`@4"$08'TA/'$P?"#`$P8'QQ("$0/# M`@,"PA(&$@8'!@P&$`(0`L(&!\,3#,83PP?*$PS&$\,3PA/#$\(,!]\3#!+" M!\42`@,1Q`(2!\(2!@<&#`80!A`&$`8,!\,,!\D3PP?'$PS&$\,3PA/#$PP/ MP@S?$P82!\(2!\(2`A$"`P(#$@<2!P8'!@P&$`80Q@S##\('Q1/#!\D3!PS& M$\,3PA/#$PS##\0,W!/"!A(&PQ(&`A$"`P('!@<&R`S)#Q,'S1,'PPP'QQ/# M$\(3PQ,'#,8/QPP'U!,&$@82!A++#,X/PPP3#,<3P@?$#`?)$\03PA,3Q!,' MP@S+#]L,TP_&#`?#$PS#$P?$#`?+$\83PQ,3QA,'Q`SM#\@,!@?($\0,!\X3 MQQ/#$\(3RA,'QPS;#\L,$`4,!<(,P@8'U1/*$\43PQ,3T1,'VPP&$`80!A`" M!0P%#`4,!@P'!@?6$\L3Q1/#$Q/N$P8,!A`&$`(&#`8,PP8'UQ/+$\83PQ,3 M\!/*!@?8$\P3QA/#$Q/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA,,````@``` M`(``@(````"`@`"``("`P,#`P-S`ILKP__OPH*"D@("`_P```/\`__\```#_ M_P#_`/______````@````(``@(````"`@`"``("`P,#`P-S`ILKP__OPH*"D M@("`_P```/\`__\```#__P#_`/______````@````(``@(````"`@`"``("` MP,#`P-S`ILKP__OPH*"D@("`_P```/\`__\```#__P#_`/______````@``` M`(``@(````"`@`"``("`P,#`P-S`ILKP__OPH*"D@("`_P```/\`__\```#_ M_P#_`/______````@````(``@(````"`@`"``("`P,#`P-S`ILKP__OPH*"D M@("`_P```/\`__\```#__P#_`/______````@````(``@(````"`@`"``("` MP,#`P-S`ILKP__OPH*"D@("`_P```/\`__\```#__P#_`/______````@``` M`(``@(````"`@`"``("`P,#`P-S`ILKP__OPH*"D@("`_P```/\`__\```#_ M_P#_`/______````@````(``@(````"`@`"``("`P,#`P-S`ILKP__OPH*"D M@("`_P```/\`__\```#__P#_`/______````@````(``@(````"`@`"``("` MP,#`P-S`ILKP__OPH*"D@("`_P```/\`__\```#__P#_`/______````@``` M`(``@(````"`@`"``("`P,#`P-S`ILKP__OPH*"D@("`_P```/\`__\```#_ M_P#_`/______````@````(``@(````"`@`"``("`P,#`P-S`ILKP__OPH*"D M@("`_P```/\`__\```#__P#_`/______````@````(``@(````"`@`"``("` MP,#`P-S`ILKP__OPH*"D@("`_P```/\`__\```#__P#_`/______````@``` J`(``@(````"`@`"`__OPH*"D@("`_P```/\`__\```#__P#_`/______ ` end --0__=hNM50J4QXM9vpUMMRaTtQQISujd8Tr3JR0e4ldc4Z4K9cg5cqNiV1xsn Content-type: application/octet-stream; name="RFC822.TXT" Content-transfer-encoding: x-uuencode Content-Description: Text - character set unknown begin 644 0.TXT M4F5C96EV960Z(&9R;VT@=&]V92YC3(N M65R+F-O;2!B>2!R96QA>3(N65R+F-O;2!W:71H($EN=&5R;F5T M($UA:6P@4V5R=FEC92`H-2XP+C$T-365R+F-O;3X-"E1O.B`B)TIO6-L M97,@*$4M;6%I;"DG(B`@("`@("`\9&,M8WEC;&5S0&-S+G5M9"YE9'4^#0I3 M=6)J96-T.B!213H@4W5N9&%Y(%)I9&4@4F5P;W)T+BXN#0I$871E.B!-;VXL M(#$U($1E8R`Q.3DW(#$U.C4U.C(X("TP-3`P#0I8+5!R:6]R:71Y.B`S#0I8 M+4UA:6QE Message-ID: <5892535f.3495b397@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:47:38 EST To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: Sunday Ride Report...] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I think I'm going to have to fight Jeanette for you all! LOL Marcy In a message dated 12/15/97 3:00:16 PM, Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX wrote: < Wait a minute, I thought YOU ALL were my love slaves!! Me & my harem... > > - J>> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 20:31:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20363; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27839; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01925; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.64.60]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA25680; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:27:58 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: France vs. USA Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:25:04 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971216012757.AAA25680@default> Todd-- I've never been to France, and I've been unimpressed with many aspects of their culture and politics, but this story definitely imppves the country in my estimation. I'm sure the French will be relieved...... ;-) http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mikecoan/StoryonPoliceinFrance.htm Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 21:13:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20998; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28360; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA02684; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA25732; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:10:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34960D8A.2701@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:11:38 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jcarver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Web Site for Used MC Prices Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, MCN now has a web site up with this info! Here's the URL: http://www.mcnews.com/mcn.htm JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 23:19:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22791; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00341; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05137; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01758; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:16:21 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19095; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:16:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:16:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712160416.XAA19095@clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mpt@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Two Questions... Riding has made me a better driver. In fact my biking habits transfer over to the cage (drawing lines, entering turns at correct speed, laying off the brake, head checks, looking where I'm turning, anticipating the moves of moronic drivers, etc etc). I even find myself leaning into turns in the cage. They're habits that are hard to break. Driving paranoid is a good thing. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 15 23:23:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22834; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00367; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05177; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02899; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:20:58 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21008; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:20:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:20:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712160420.XAA21008@clark.net> To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: Sunday Ride Report...] Cc: hacker@XXXXXX From: Jinn Sinn Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:47:38 EST To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: Sunday Ride Report...] I think I'm going to have to fight Jeanette for you all! LOL Marcy Yee ha! Better than an episode of Xena! - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 01:10:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24564; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01693; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:07:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06827; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA18069; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:03:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:55:49 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Some friday afternoon fun.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19971213191119.ICMZ215@[166.41.110.68]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Todd Peer wrote: > Geez - Loueez boy, you really are an "angry biker". I took that > test honestly and was labeled "angry biker" as well. Fuck 'em.. :-) Damn right I'm angry.Went out Sat afternoon and swapped the ignition module.Hit the button,nothing.@#$%^&*! The module was supposed to be bad,per my factory shop manual,so either the manual's wrong,or I've got a second problem.I'm thinking maybe sitting so long something's gummed up the carb. Maybe this weekend I'll get it up and running. > Jeanette told me she was really pissed off and that the test sucked > since it labeled her as a "poseur". I told her to quit bitching and > retake it, cause I was sure she had potential to be an "angry biker" Hey,the test is batting 1k so far.Maybe she should get a Harley? ;-) > Now, for the funny stuff. I went back and re-took the test and > varied my answers some, and guess what....I'm still an "angry biker". > What a bunch of f-ing a-holes those brits are, telling me I'm "angry". > GRrrrrrr.... ;^) I took it a second time and got the same thing too.I blame it on the Buell. :-P The angry BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 04:20:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA26044; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA02714; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA09234; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA19413; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:13:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:10:30 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Used MC web site; FYI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I deleted the original post by mistake,but whoever asked could also get a subscription to _Motorcycle Consumer News_.In addition to being a great mag,they also print a used bike price listing a couple times a year. You could also e-mail me with the models you're interested in, and I could look up the prices for you. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 07:04:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27159; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04938; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:04:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11506; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:04:25 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <26d2a881.3495e255@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:02:58 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Just wanted to say that I enjoyed riding with yall on Sunday. Nice to meet everyone. Only complaint is that the ol' Lizard (AKA TL1000) was really itching to speed up. I dont know about you guys but I have the kind of bike that talks to ya! "You know you want to go faster........just turn the grip...go ahead....you know you want to....." etc. Finally got it out of my system a little bit on 66.....can you say 135MPH? HAHAHAA. Well, hope to do it again soon. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 08:00:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27714; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:00:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05524; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12149; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA13794 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:00:08 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma013787; Tue, 16 Dec 97 08:00:05 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA20923; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882277036; Tue, 16 Dec 97 07:57:16 -0500 Message-Id: <9712168822.AA882277036@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 07:56:50 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: Sunday ride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack, Didn't you just fix that thing from the last time it 'talked' to ya? restraint is a good thing to have while on a bike like that (even my 86 VF500f needs a little restraint to ride - well, except when I have bad gas (still)). Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Sunday ride Author: WantA ZX6 at smtplink-micros Date: 12/15/97 9:02 PM Just wanted to say that I enjoyed riding with yall on Sunday. Nice to meet everyone. Only complaint is that the ol' Lizard (AKA TL1000) was really itching to speed up. I dont know about you guys but I have the kind of bike that talks to ya! "You know you want to go faster........just turn the grip...go ahead....you know you want to....." etc. Finally got it out of my system a little bit on 66.....can you say 135MPH? HAHAHAA. Well, hope to do it again soon. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 08:27:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27935; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05643; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12478; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.37.3.164] (1Cust164.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.164]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA09222 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 05:27:00 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCD65@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:27:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Report... >Wait a minute, I thought YOU ALL were my love slaves!! Me & my harem... > >- J Ooh, Jeanette, I *love* it when you get pushy... Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 08:29:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27967; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05664; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12530; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA16219 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:29:12 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma016196; Tue, 16 Dec 97 08:29:06 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA21318 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882278777; Tue, 16 Dec 97 08:26:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9712168822.AA882278777@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 08:24:56 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: YeeeHaw! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm now the proud owner of a new bike. I picked up my Honda RS125 2-stroke race bike last evening. Talk about a small bike (it's TINY - even compared to my VF500), I was putting it in the garage, cursing the lack of turning, and just picked the thing up and set it where I wanted it. I was in heaven - the last time I just muscled around a machine was in Montana with my snowmobiles. It's got gas in it, and I'm tempted to go home this afternoon and fire it up, if only to hear the thing run - my neighbors will just think I'm sawing some wood for the fireplace... anyway, I'm just going to sit and smile at my Polaroid all day today... Have a good one everyone... Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 08:31:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28001; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05700; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12578; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.37.3.164] (1Cust164.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.164]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10268 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 05:30:53 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:31:41 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Winter rider, was Re: Sunday Ride >Sean Sullivan wrote: >>You know you are a winter rider when you evolve. You develop a layer of >>blubber and hair sprouts from your back. At least, I think that's why it >>happened to me. > >Ah, I hadn't considered this... While I haven't grown hair on my back (yet) >I have developed the precious insulating layer of blubber. Thinking about >it, my body is also evolving to eliminate my helmet hair problem. The hair >is simply not growing and/or falling out. Problem solved! > >I'm still waiting for the shoulder/knee/elbow/etc callouses to develop so I >won't have to wear protective gear... > >Kirk Have y'all been peeking in my windows again? A friend of mine has a phrase for this pilatory migration: 'My hairline is making a beeline for my behind'. BTW: take my word for this one: scar tissue is much better in a slide than callouses: no nerve endings. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 08:45:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28150; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05846; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12849; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.37.3.164] (1Cust164.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.164]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14169 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 05:45:31 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19971215151413.007a1370@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:46:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Two Questions... >Hey all: > >As I was caging up to Battley's to do some Xmas shopping I was thinking >(dangerous I know)... when and if you do have to get in a cage, do you >think that riding makes you a better driver? Absolutely! The simple fact that a MC rider has to be constantly vigilant to avoid BDCs in order to keep his skin and bones intact carries over to cage driving. I also think that we are more aware of traction limits. I can't tell you the last time I locked up the brakes on my car. Interesting statistics: In 15 years of MC riding I have had 7 non-racing accidents. The first 3 were within 3 years of getting my liscence (2 single vehicle, 1 struck by a car). The last 3 were within the last 2 years (1 single vehicle, 2 struck by a car). I went 10 years with only 1 accident caused by a BDC moving into my lane, and in some ways, it was my fault: early AM commute, unfamiliar bike. However, in the same time frame, I've only had 2 car accidents, both within the first 3 years of having my drivers liscence. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 09:28:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28572; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06333; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13530; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.7.1/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA18565; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA03472; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:27:49 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA03469; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:27:49 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD09EB.C34EAE40@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:28:03 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Web Site for Used MC Prices Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:24:43 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 25 TEXT Here's another place to look for bike prices: http://www.traderonline.com I was told it is an excellent site and has links to other motorcycle sites. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC HAPPY HOLIDAYS! >-----Original Message----- >From: John C. Kozyn [SMTP:jckozyn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, December 15, 1997 9:12 PM >To: jcarver@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles >Subject: Web Site for Used MC Prices > >John, > >MCN now has a web site up with this info! Here's the URL: >http://www.mcnews.com/mcn.htm > >JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 09:29:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28583; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06350; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from notes.sbd.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13551; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 8525656F.004F59E6 ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:26:43 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: bmccoy@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525656F.004FCE87.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:33:45 -0400 Subject: Re: YeeeHaw! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Brian says: I'm now the proud owner of a new bike. I picked up my Honda RS125 2-stroke race bike last evening. Talk about a small bike (it's TINY - even compared to my VF500), I was putting it in the garage, cursing the lack of turning, and just picked the thing up and set it where I wanted it. I was in heaven - the last time I just muscled around a machine was in Montana with my snowmobiles. You brut! Seriously, though, congrats on the new bike! Enjoy! Caron (who only *dreams* of ever being able to pick up a bike to move it..) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 10:22:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29479; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06936; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14989; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:22:13 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 8525656F.0054A2EA ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:24:27 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525656F.0043DC95.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:24:25 -0400 Subject: A story of giving Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey riders I found some of our "you know if it's winter" comments on a V-Max mailing list I recently joined. I guess our fame is spreading! The mailing list is also the main meeting place for the V-Max owners association that has come into existence recently. They are a very cool and generous bunch. As a matter of fact, they are so generous, they have arranged to buy and present a used Yamaha V-Max to gentleman named "Ingo Ullrich". Ingo lives in Germany and operates a WEB page dedicated to the Yamaha V-Max. (http://members.aol.com/madvmax65/index.htm). Even though Ingo doesn't own a V-Max, it has been his dream to own one some day. The VMOA was so impressed with his WEB site, they decided to make his dream come true. They started an "Ingo fund" and have gotten enough pledges to cover the cost of a used bike. As soon as they received enough money in pledges, they acquired a slightly damaged bike and are in the process of restoring it to good rideable condition. Ingo was informed that his dream would be coming true on the same day that his wife delivered a baby daughter. Talking about a day to remember. The following is what Ingo has posted on his WEB page: Now this year is nearly over and I want to say THANK YOU to all the Friends & Vmaxers around the world. Some wonderful things happened this year and made it a very special year to me. On Dec. 02. my daughter SARAH was born (!) and right on this day I received a call from a good friend (Lee) that told me that my dream of a own Vmax will be realized soon by those great Internet-Vmax-friends, the members of the Vmax-List, my Sponsors and the V.M.O.A.-members from all around the world!!! You all showed that everything is possible and dreams can come true when standing side by side when dreaming this dream. When I started these pages in Feb. 96 I never thought that I would find so many friends out here that would become a part of my daily living and that they would show me the power of a unity the way you did. To all of you out there I wish you a very lucky Xmas-time and a happy New Year!!! Thank you very much for beeing on my side and showing the rest of the world how outstanding and unusual the Vmax-fans are... ________________________________________ I just thought some of you would like hearing about this story of giving during the Christmas holidays, by people who engage in one of the best sports on the face of the planet. If anyone would like to join the mailing list, here are the details: Mike Sayers offers a new Vmax-List! Just send an email to "VMAX-REQUEST@XXXXXX" with subject: "SUBSCRIBE" and body: "SUBSCRIBE YOUR_EMAIL_ADRESS@XXXXXX" After receiving the "Welcome"-message all emails have to be directed to: "VMAX@XXXXXX" to answer and write to the list... Try it and say HELLO...! .Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 10:24:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29520; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06950; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15008; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA22985 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA00049 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:23:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971216152307.LMJF28757@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:23:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:19 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: $80 egg carton cutter. Christmas lights X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971216152307.LMJF28757@[166.41.242.141]> Just messing around with the new Dremel tool purchase last night cutting up an egg carton. Got some pretty cool shapes and a lot of dust. Then it hit me. With a decent pair of sharp scissors or an exacto knife, I could have cut the carton up just as well without all the dust...doh! Moving my bike out of the garage this morning, my front tire felt a little low and a got to thinking, "I wonder how much a good air compressor costs"? =:p Todd Now seriously. I was thinking about an evening ride from say 6pm to 8pm this Saturday. The purpose (aside from just riding) is to check out some of the DC area Christmas light displays people put on their homes. Now here's the catch; even though I like the idea, my neigborhood is rather sparse on light shows. Therefore I volunteer not to lead this ride, but I will help organize it. Does anyone know of good places to see some nice lighting? Is anyone else interested in this idea? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 10:41:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29862; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07153; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15576; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:42:59 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA0234EAF9@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: RE: $80 egg carton cutter. Christmas lights Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:43:08 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Wanna buy mine? I have a 60 gallon 6.5 hp one that's only about 6 months old I'll sell you. It runs on 240 volt. I'll even help you hook it up. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Moving my bike out of the garage this morning, my front tire felt a > little low and a got to thinking, "I wonder how much a good air > compressor > costs"? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 11:01:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00645; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07370; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16489; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA02918 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:00:51 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma002823; Tue, 16 Dec 97 11:00:42 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA25818 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882287439; Tue, 16 Dec 97 10:57:54 -0500 Message-Id: <9712168822.AA882287439@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 10:49:52 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Christmas lights MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd love to do this - something I've never really done (I'm anti-holiday - just call me Grinch!) - but, hey - it involves a ride. I know that Chris led a great D.C. ride back in Feb. of this year. If he can't lead, at least we can possibly get a good route. Anyone else have anything to input. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Now seriously. I was thinking about an evening ride from say 6pm to 8pm this Saturday. The purpose (aside from just riding) is to check out some of the DC area Christmas light displays people put on their homes. Now here's the catch; even though I like the idea, my neigborhood is rather sparse on light shows. Therefore I volunteer not to lead this ride, but I will help organize it. Does anyone know of good places to see some nice lighting? Is anyone else interested in this idea? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 11:07:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00796; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07429; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16661; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA12872; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:05:45 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCD81@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ordered Tires... Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:05:00 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I ordered my K591s today so I shall have good, new tires Saturday. Show me the curves!! After much slipping on dry asphalt I thought expediency was warranted in this matter... ; ) Thanks for all the advice, everyone! On a side note, the guy started telling me how outdated my bike is & how I should get a new one - NOT. I love my Interceptor! Who wants to pay insurance on a new bike!? Not me... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 11:16:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01075; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07940; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17105; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA12947 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:16:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA14436 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971216161605.LXBD215@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:16:05 -0600 Message-ID: <3496A945.63BA948@mci.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:16:06 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: You know you're a winter rider when... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know you're a winter rider when you can ride all day and not smash a single bug on your faceshield. (This happened Sunday. Didn't even see a bug. Not that I'm complaining or anything.) Rubber side down! Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 11:18:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01105; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08001; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17166; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA16588; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:16:49 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCD85@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Christmas lights Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:16:03 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain This sounds awesome, but I'm busy Saturday night - bummer! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 10:50 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Christmas lights > > > I'd love to do this - something I've never really done (I'm > anti-holiday - just call me Grinch!) - but, hey - it involves a > ride. > I know that Chris led a great D.C. ride back in Feb. of this > year. If > he can't lead, at least we can possibly get a good route. > > Anyone else have anything to input. > > Brian > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > > > Now seriously. > I was thinking about an evening ride from say 6pm to 8pm this > Saturday. > The purpose (aside from just riding) is to check out some of the DC > area Christmas light displays people put on their homes. Now here's > the catch; even though I like the idea, my neigborhood is rather > sparse > on light shows. Therefore I volunteer not to lead this ride, but I > will help organize it. Does anyone know of good places to see some > nice lighting? Is anyone else interested in this idea? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 11:31:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01460; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08566; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17743; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA24488; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA32620; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971216163039.LYPS215@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:30:39 -0600 Message-ID: <3496ACAF.B51C2115@mci.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:30:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ordered Tires... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCD81@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Take it from someone who dreads new technology in bikes. There aren't many 'outdated' bikes out there, IMNSHO. If it starts, stops, turns, accelerates, beeps, honks, and flashes, it's not outdated. Think about it. I guess I'll forever be an old-bike lover. Horkster O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > On a side note, the guy started telling me how outdated my bike is & how > I should get a new one - NOT. > I love my Interceptor! Who wants to pay insurance on a new bike!? Not > me... > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 11:38:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02042; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08647; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18644; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA28084 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA06345 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971216163744.LZIT215@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:37:44 -0600 Message-ID: <3496AE58.C8D116C7@mci.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:37:45 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Christmas lights References: <9712168822.AA882287439@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have mixed feelings about this. On the surface, it sounds like a great idea, there are lots of really pretty houses decorated this time of year. However, as my one and only accident occurred when I was looking at something off the road (a street address - I ended up rear ending a car stopped at an intersection, totally my fault, it never would have happened if I had been paying attention.) I'm not sure I would be comfortable participating in a group ride where the focus is on things off the road. Especially if cagers are out and about looking at the same houses. If you guys do this, be VERY careful. I want to see you all at the Spring Party at my house! :-) > _____________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > > > Now seriously. > I was thinking about an evening ride from say 6pm to 8pm this Saturday. > The purpose (aside from just riding) is to check out some of the DC > area Christmas light displays people put on their homes. Now here's > the catch; even though I like the idea, my neigborhood is rather sparse > on light shows. Therefore I volunteer not to lead this ride, but I > will help organize it. Does anyone know of good places to see some > nice lighting? Is anyone else interested in this idea? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 12:47:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04159; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10608; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21590; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IR8N020RNK8ZL31R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:47:52 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:25:36 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:25:36 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:26:10 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Ordered Tires... To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:26:11 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1165IDU2GGMN X400-MTS-identifier: [;63521161217991/2192932@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >I ordered my K591s today so I shall have good, new tires Saturday. Show >me the curves!! >After much slipping on dry asphalt I thought expediency was warranted in >this matter... ; ) Of course, you'd better scrub the tires in before Saturday. I'm sure the shop will tell you but, just in case, new tires have a mega slippery coating on them. Some careful riding should get rid of it. >On a side note, the guy started telling me how outdated my bike is & how >I should get a new one - NOT. >I love my Interceptor! Who wants to pay insurance on a new bike!? Not >me... Until you can master the capabilities of your bike or if you have some completely different purpose than your current bike can serve (e.g., you want to go trail riding but you've only got a Gold Wing) there's no logical reason to get a new bike. Of course, there are plenty of other valid reasons. Now, if valid only meant the same thing for my wife as it does for me... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 12:54:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04580; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10771; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22128; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:53:55 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:46:42 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stripped Bolts.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << All that I'd add initially to the kit are some heavy duty cutoff wheels - the light duty ones they include tend to wear out (or break) too quickly when chewing through bolts. >> Double up on the light duty discs, run two at one time. Really makes a difference. RDW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 12:58:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04701; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10927; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22325; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A4F41CF0142; Tue Dec 16 12:05:56 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:56:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0A22.0F15E1A0.jywon@imisys.com> From: Justin Won Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: $80 egg carton cutter. Christmas lights Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:41:47 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I just picked up a portable 260 psi 12-volt compressor from Caldor for $14.99. Great for pumping up tires and other inflatables. I almost passed out the last time I inflated the queen size air matress the old-fashioned way. I just wish it had 110V capability. Wonder how much a good transformer costs? ;-) Justin On Tuesday, December 16, 1997 10:19 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Just messing around with the new Dremel tool purchase last night > cutting up an egg carton. Got some pretty cool shapes and a lot of > dust. Then it hit me. With a decent pair of sharp scissors or an > exacto knife, I could have cut the carton up just as well without > all the dust...doh! > > Moving my bike out of the garage this morning, my front tire felt a > little low and a got to thinking, "I wonder how much a good air compressor > costs"? > =:p > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 13:17:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05668; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11965; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23751; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:17:20 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:08:37 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: air compressor Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Moving my bike out of the garage this morning, my front tire felt a little low and a got to thinking, "I wonder how much a good air compressor costs"? =:p >> Todd, I have Sears 1/2hp 100psi air compressor (tankless) that I am trying to sell. You would just need to buy a portable air tank, like I did and fill the tank from the compressor. I now have a big air compressor, and have no use for the smaller one. $30 ($100 new). Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 15:23:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09789; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13778; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28871; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:23:23 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: <5fcd151c.3496deb8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:03:44 EST To: badams@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: $80.00 bolt... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 97-12-15 19:02:47 EST, badams@XXXXXX writes: > The idea of buying a Dremel tool for one bolt is insane. Yes, buying any tool to use once in unwise. However, I find that the Dremel tool is useful for a variety of jobs. I use it to sharpen my chain saw, engrave my name on tools, grind and cut in places that I can't get a full size grinder or saw, and all sorts of assorted tasks. I've got all the usual full sized tools but the Dremel tool gets used as much as any of them and very often saves me a lot of time and aggravation. If you don't have one you don't realize how useful they can be. In other words, it is a good tool to have around. The Dremels can be bought for about $40 if you get the stripped down version without all the fancy doodads that you really don't need. I don't remember who first asked for suggestions about the stubborn bolt, but if you would like to borrow my dremel you are welcome to do so. The beauty of using the Dremel to cut a screwdriver slot in a bolt head is that you don't risk damaging the threads or breaking a drill bit off in the bolt and making a larger mess. It doesn't always work but it is very quick, easy and often does work. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 17:44:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13554; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:44:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18101; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03856; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA00919; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:51:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:51:04 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Justin Won cc: dc-cycles Subject: RE: $80 egg carton cutter. Christmas lights In-Reply-To: <01BD0A22.0F15E1A0.jywon@imisys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII These work well for occasional use, but are light duty and tend to overheat if you fill, say, more than 1 or two car tires wo letting the compressor cool down. --garcia On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Justin Won wrote: > Actually, I just picked up a portable 260 psi 12-volt compressor from > Caldor for $14.99. Great for pumping up tires and other inflatables. I > almost passed out the last time I inflated the queen size air matress the > old-fashioned way. I just wish it had 110V capability. Wonder how much a > good transformer costs? ;-) > Justin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 17:50:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13700; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18202; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04127; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A91847B0116; Tue Dec 16 16:56:40 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:47:27 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0A4A.AC436EC0.jywon@imisys.com> From: Justin Won Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'Garcia Oliver'" Cc: dc-cycles Subject: RE: $80 egg carton cutter. Christmas lights Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:47:24 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It fills up my mattress w/o any trouble, but I suppose it's different in higher psi applications. JW On Tuesday, December 16, 1997 17:51 PM, Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] wrote: > These work well for occasional use, but are light duty and tend to > overheat if you fill, say, more than 1 or two car tires wo letting the > compressor cool down. > > --garcia > > On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Justin Won wrote: > > > Actually, I just picked up a portable 260 psi 12-volt compressor from > > Caldor for $14.99. Great for pumping up tires and other inflatables. I > > almost passed out the last time I inflated the queen size air matress the > > old-fashioned way. I just wish it had 110V capability. Wonder how much a > > good transformer costs? ;-) > > Justin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 18:00:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14019; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18414; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo02.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04642; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:00:24 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <6a19a53d.34970754@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:57:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I dont know Urs. but you are gonna hafta try! And by the way, Im pretty sure I was the only one running those kinda speeds. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 18:17:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14325; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18636; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05116; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:17:48 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <9a5356bf.34970888@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:02:30 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Christmas lights Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Id be willing to ride. And by the way, my area (ALexandria, Mt Vernon, etc) has some nice lighted areas. Also Potomac MD. Ill look around and see if anything really looks promising. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 23:35:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19323; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25347; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12136; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA14350 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:35:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34978119.75D0@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:36:57 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Two Questions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Alan Lapp > Subject: Re: Two Questions... --> snip <-- > Interesting statistics: In 15 years of MC riding I have had 7 non-racing > accidents. The first 3 were within 3 years of getting my liscence (2 > single vehicle, 1 struck by a car). The last 3 were within the last 2 > years (1 single vehicle, 2 struck by a car). I went 10 years with only 1 > accident caused by a BDC moving into my lane, and in some ways, it was my > fault: early AM commute, unfamiliar bike. > > However, in the same time frame, I've only had 2 car accidents, both within > the first 3 years of having my drivers liscence. > > Al Al, Forgive me, but yours are alarming statistics - not just interesting ones. I might seriously re-adjust my attitudes if these were mine... 7 accidents? (!!) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 23:45:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19437; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25517; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12303; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.128] (unverified [207.226.128.128]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:47:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: $80 egg carton cutter. Christmas lights Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 23:42:43 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Is anyone else interested in this idea? For the fourth ride in a row, I'll express my interest. Unfortunately... Hell, I'm interested. If I can get my brother to take me to my parents tomorrow, I hope to pick up the bike. And I think I'm finally moved into the new apartment (hell, I've got the computer and tv hooked up, and there is ramen in the cupboard. What else do I need?) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 23:45:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19438; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25520; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12305; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.128] (unverified [207.226.128.128]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:47:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Two Questions... Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 23:42:47 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Michael P. Tolocka" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >As I was caging up to Battley's to do some Xmas shopping I was thinking >(dangerous I know)... when and if you do have to get in a cage, do you >think that riding makes you a better driver? Yes, it does! My attention span is much greater, I'm better able to pick lines, and predict traffic flows. BUT, I'm also much annoyed when in the cage. It's huge, you can't dice through traffic as easily (and I own a small cage: Mazda Miata) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 16 23:45:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19441; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25524; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12307; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.128] (unverified [207.226.128.128]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:47:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ordered Tires... Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 23:42:50 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Until you can master the capabilities of your bike or if you have some >completely different purpose than your current bike can serve (e.g., you >want to go trail riding but you've only got a Gold Wing) there's no logical >reason to get a new bike. Of course, there are plenty of other valid >reasons. Now, if valid only meant the same thing for my wife as it does for >me... Since when did logic enter into the purchase of a motorcycle? :) Ok, I *rationalized* the purchase of my BMW based on the lack of legroom/sciatic nerve flareup from the Kawasaki, but was that the real reason for the purchase? I think not:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 00:26:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20477; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA26662; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12979; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA24067; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:19:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:07:45 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Ordered Tires... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCD81@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > I ordered my K591s today so I shall have good, new tires Saturday. Show > me the curves!! > After much slipping on dry asphalt I thought expediency was warranted in > this matter... ; ) Just make sure you give them a good scuffing in before you try to tear up the curves.And be *real* careful after they're mounted.Check all around the rims for any lubricant.If whoever does the mounting uses too much lube,or doesn't clean it up well enough,you can be in for a quick dump. Don't ask me how I know this. :-P > On a side note, the guy started telling me how outdated my bike is & how > I should get a new one - NOT. > I love my Interceptor! Who wants to pay insurance on a new bike!? Not > me... Actually,some of the older bikes are actually better.Yours has adjustable front and rear suspension,a hydraulic clutch,triple disk brakes,and a centerstand.Not too many of the new midsized/economy bikes have these frills.Another example would be Honda's Nighthawks. I liked my old S model much better than the new ones.Dual front disks, hyd clutch,shaft drive,etc.They just don't build 'em like they used to. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 07:01:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23954; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03241; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04407; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-as107s32.erols.com [207.172.60.95]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA29667 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 04:00:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3497C023.157BB3C0@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:05:56 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ordered Tires... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil's got some good points, but what the heck is so darn great about a hydraulic clutch...yuk yuk spit spit hiss... :) Those things have almost no feel and trying to feather one is a serious pain in the but....Ok so I grew up riding two-smokes.... CT Gil M. Nissley wrote: > Actually,some of the older bikes are actually better.Yours has > adjustable front and rear suspension,a hydraulic clutch,triple disk > brakes,and a centerstand.Not too many of the new midsized/economy > bikes have these frills.Another example would be Honda's Nighthawks. > I liked my old S model much better than the new ones.Dual front disks, > hyd clutch,shaft drive,etc.They just don't build 'em like they used to. _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 08:03:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24508; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04332; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05293; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:02:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id HAA12093; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:01:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id HAA29543; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:01:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971217130149.NWOH215@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:01:49 -0600 Message-ID: <3497CD3E.4E84EA9C@mci.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:01:50 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ordered Tires... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil, What advantages does a hydraulic clutch have over the cable-activated ones? It uses brake fluid in a master cylinder, correct? I was under the impression they were hard to adjust if the clutch ever got 'grabby'. Just curious, Horkster > Actually,some of the older bikes are actually better.Yours has > adjustable front and rear suspension,a hydraulic clutch,triple disk > brakes,and a centerstand.Not too many of the new midsized/economy > bikes have these frills.Another example would be Honda's Nighthawks. > I liked my old S model much better than the new ones.Dual front disks, > hyd clutch,shaft drive,etc.They just don't build 'em like they used to. > ;-) > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 08:05:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24542; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04367; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05357; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA22174 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:05:24 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma022163; Wed, 17 Dec 97 08:05:12 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA18350; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882363739; Wed, 17 Dec 97 08:02:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9712178823.AA882363739@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 08:01:49 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: crash stats.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heck, not to brag or show my 'squidliness', but I've had 4 in just over the past year. 3 2-vehicle, and 1 single vehicle. That's to make a total of 5 in 4~5 years (other one was within a month of owning my first bike). Maybe I'm just having a bad year - who knows.. Brian (he who signs off 'Ride Safe') McCoy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Forgive me, but yours are alarming statistics - not just interesting ones. I might seriously re-adjust my attitudes if these were mine... 7 accidents? (!!) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 08:10:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24579; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04448; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05407; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA04532 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:10:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca004.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.103]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA07156 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:10:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA004 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:10:25 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D46@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles , "'Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Sunday Trip Report Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:10:27 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, I wondered how I got home AFTER 4pm, when in Warrenton at "1:05". I was thinking that I should have kept up with Todd and Jack on 29. I think they got home about 12:30. :-) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 15, 1997 9:36 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Sunday Trip Report > > Oh, I discovered that my watch somehow lost two hours somewhere > during the ride. Of course I was the self-proclaimed time-keeper, > telling > everyone it was "only 1:05" while we were at the post office in > Elkwood, > when it was most likely after 3:00. I aplologize if anyone was > inconvenienced. > (I remember a couple of people saying they at 4:00 appointments). > Hope > you didn't miss anything important. > > Damned Timex. > > the hard core, oil and gas spewing bike riding, killer lasagna making, > clueless > timekeeping, > > Horkster > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 08:11:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24597; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04479; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05423; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA23279 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:11:53 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma023226; Wed, 17 Dec 97 08:11:28 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA18483 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882364116; Wed, 17 Dec 97 08:08:38 -0500 Message-Id: <9712178823.AA882364116@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 08:07:30 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: mmmmMMM.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MMmmmmmm two-smoke, smellls good! ring-ta-ta-ting-ting Hrm, slicks for the street - well, it's all there is on the RS - but it does handle like a dream (even if I never did get it over 8K on the tach). Yes, I rode it around the block last night, just wanted to get a feel for it - I predict this next year is going to be a good year - fun bike.... I'll stop my on-line drooling now.. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Ok so I grew up riding two-smokes.... CT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 08:28:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24691; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04585; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05546; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA24642 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:28:09 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:28:09 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: How does that grab ya? Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:28:48 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 11 TEXT >What advantages does a hydraulic clutch have over the cable-activated ones? Depending on the clutch, a hydraulic mechanism provides much greater mechanical advantage (it lets me disengage the 11 plate monster in my scoot without having to spend hours inna gym). Michael Jordan '93 GSX 1100GP (hydraulic) '86 SRX-6 (cable) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 08:28:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24696; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04580; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05540; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA09025 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:28:03 -0500 (EST) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday Daytime Ride? Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:29:51 GMT Message-ID: <3497d224.42089550@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since I've already got plans Saturday evening (I think it's the universal Christmas Party night), I'm planning to ride during the daylight hours. Also want to take advantage of 50+ degree weather while it's here! Can't be too many more days like this in the December/January time period! Can anyone point me to a ride sheet for a good 150 mile or so ride, starting from the western Fairfax or Loudoun area? I'm not exactly volunteering to lead, but if anyone else is interested drop me a line! I plan on starting out around 10 am, right after the frost melts off my bike. :) Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 09:20:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25299; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05479; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06705; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17349; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:20:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11472; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:19:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712171419.JAA11472@clark.net> Subject: Re: Saturday Daytime Ride? To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:19:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <3497d224.42089550@relay.mnsinc.com> from "Anita Lauro" at Dec 17, 97 01:29:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Since I've already got plans Saturday evening (I think it's the > universal Christmas Party night), I'm planning to ride during the > daylight hours. Also want to take advantage of 50+ degree weather > while it's here! Can't be too many more days like this in the > December/January time period! > > Can anyone point me to a ride sheet for a good 150 mile or so ride, > starting from the western Fairfax or Loudoun area? I'm not exactly > volunteering to lead, but if anyone else is interested drop me a line! > I plan on starting out around 10 am, right after the frost melts off > my bike. :) I don't remember the exact milage, but I have a good ride sheet from the last PARR Run (Fall Foliage). It starts out in Leesburg (former Hall's Honda) and spends a lot of time in West Virginia (not all at Harper's Ferry either). I wouldn't mind making some copies and leading some people on the route. It ends at a restaurant named "The Barn." I'm not exactly sure where it is, just that it's west of Manassas. The route covered a lot of good secondary roads, nice curves, dips etc. I need to be back in Alexandria by 6 pm, but if I remember the route and the timing, it shouldn't be a big problem. Any interest? Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 09:29:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25406; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05559; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06839; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:29:03 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA10670 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:29:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199712171429.AA10670@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:29:11 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:29:11 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:29:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 9:27:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Two Questions... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34978119.75D0@mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME MY GAWD!!!....I doubt that a dozen average drivers COMBINED have that many accidents in the same time period... Don't take this as a slam, but you really need to review your driving skills/habits...I worked at DMV for many years and your driving history is WAY from being normal... ...now I now why one of the reasons why insurance rates are so high... -aki > > From: Alan Lapp > > Subject: Re: Two Questions... > --> snip <-- > > > Interesting statistics: In 15 years of MC riding I have had 7 non-racing > > accidents. The first 3 were within 3 years of getting my liscence (2 > > single vehicle, 1 struck by a car). The last 3 were within the last 2 > > years (1 single vehicle, 2 struck by a car). I went 10 years with only 1 > > accident caused by a BDC moving into my lane, and in some ways, it was my > > fault: early AM commute, unfamiliar bike. > > > > However, in the same time frame, I've only had 2 car accidents, both within > > the first 3 years of having my drivers liscence. > > > > Al > > Al, > > Forgive me, but yours are alarming statistics - not just interesting > ones. I might seriously re-adjust my attitudes if these were mine... 7 > accidents? (!!) > > JK > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 09:34:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25503; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05610; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06920; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA09073; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA00156; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971217143233.NVGS28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:32:33 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:22 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Brian McCoy" CC: , Subject: Re: crash stats.. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971217143233.NVGS28757@[166.41.242.141]> Let's hope Brian IS having a bad-luck year. I'd hate to lose any riding partners out there. I've had exactly two accidents in over 15 years. The first during my first 2 years of riding (didn't go down), and the second due to extremely poor judgement (went down). I don't want to come off sounding preachy or anything, but ... crashing a motorcycle is NOT an indication of how skilled a rider you are. Some people think if you don't crash now and then, you're not hanging it off enough. I say if you do crash now and then, your are hanging it off WAY TOO much, or worse, you don't understand yours and your machines limitations. Crashing sucks...for everyone. Just ask Collin how many times a ride was cut short this year to haul bikes. Brian jokingly commented to me once, "don't you ever use your brakes?". My reply to that points back to Nick Ienatch's article entitled The Pace. Riding to work the skills you know you have right now will improve them with every ride. You get better by practicing what you know now. This summer, I have been practicing approaching corners with the proper line and entry speed without using my brakes. What I've gained from this is that I can now ride through turns much quicker than I have done in the past. Anyway stop crashing. Todd Heck, not to brag or show my 'squidliness', but I've had 4 in just over the past year. 3 2-vehicle, and 1 single vehicle. That's to make a total of 5 in 4~5 years (other one was within a month of owning my first bike). Maybe I'm just having a bad year - who knows.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Brian (he who signs off 'Ride Safe') McCoy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Forgive me, but yours are alarming statistics - not just interesting ones. I might seriously re-adjust my attitudes if these were mine... 7 accidents? (!!) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 09:54:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25847; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05908; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07394; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA02829 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:53:48 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma002821; Wed, 17 Dec 97 09:53:35 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id JAA20689 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882370243; Wed, 17 Dec 97 09:50:45 -0500 Message-Id: <9712178823.AA882370243@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 09:49:58 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re[2]: crash stats.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't take pride in the fact that I crash - I hate it. I know exact and specific reasons for each instance - I've gone back and relived them time and again looking for something more from each time. I find it hard to chalk up 2 of my incidents to anything I could have done differently - with the remaining two being (very basically) put to getting over my head. I too have several copies of 'The Pace' - I think I even have the first publishing of it from 91(?) - I completely believe in what's said there as well, and I'm sure people that follow me think I rarely brake at all. Anyone that's felt my pathetic brakes would know that I can't possibly use them much (Right Collin?) - but these are just excuses. Maybe I'm looked down upon as a rider because I have been down, I'm sure perspectives could/would change if the situations were explained. But I don't like throwing out excuses for my riding ability - I'd rather go out and have fun on my motorcycle - though I also like to go fast. This is probably the driving force behind me getting a race bike and taking my desires to the track. I guess I'm just rambling, attempting to salvage what little skill I feel I have... I'll shut up now.. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ I don't want to come off sounding preachy or anything, but ... crashing a motorcycle is NOT an indication of how skilled a rider you are. Some people think if you don't crash now and then, you're not hanging it off enough. I say if you do crash now and then, your are hanging it off WAY TOO much, or worse, you don't understand yours and your machines limitations. Crashing sucks...for everyone. Just ask Collin how many times a ride was cut short this year to haul bikes. Brian jokingly commented to me once, "don't you ever use your brakes?". My reply to that points back to Nick Ienatch's article entitled The Pace. Riding to work the skills you know you have right now will improve them with every ride. You get better by practicing what you know now. This summer, I have been practicing approaching corners with the proper line and entry speed without using my brakes. What I've gained from this is that I can now ride through turns much quicker than I have done in the past. Anyway stop crashing. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 10:36:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26948; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06351; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08938; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:35:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA08197 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA10383 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:32:31 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D47@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles , "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Some friday afternoon fun.... Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:27:10 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Dedicated Biker here .... Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 1997 5:40 PM > To: Todd Peer; dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Some friday afternoon fun.... > Hey, y'all-- > I took the test twice. I couldn't make up my mind on some of the > answers, > and some of them (like what do you wear?) just didn't have the right > choice. So the first time I was a "Dedicated Biker". Somebody else > posted > they got that. Who? The next time, I went for the "angrier" of my > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 10:39:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27089; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06371; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09182; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA08859 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA10936 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:39:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:35:32 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D49@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles , "'Todd Peer'" Subject: RE: $80 egg carton cutter. Christmas lights Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:10:04 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain How about a ride downtown to the national x-mas tree? Or a ride up to the Mormon temple in Silver Spring ... a most impressive display of x-mas lights. Later, chris PS If you need, I DEFINITELY know the way to get to those ... :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 10:19 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: $80 egg carton cutter. Christmas lights > > > Just messing around with the new Dremel tool purchase last night > cutting up an egg carton. Got some pretty cool shapes and a lot of > dust. Then it hit me. With a decent pair of sharp scissors or an > exacto knife, I could have cut the carton up just as well without > all the dust...doh! > > Moving my bike out of the garage this morning, my front tire felt a > little low and a got to thinking, "I wonder how much a good air > compressor > costs"? > =:p > > Todd > > Now seriously. > I was thinking about an evening ride from say 6pm to 8pm this > Saturday. > The purpose (aside from just riding) is to check out some of the DC > area Christmas light displays people put on their homes. Now here's > the catch; even though I like the idea, my neigborhood is rather > sparse > on light shows. Therefore I volunteer not to lead this ride, but I > will help organize it. Does anyone know of good places to see some > nice lighting? Is anyone else interested in this idea? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 10:41:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27119; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:41:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06409; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09264; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA09206 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:41:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA11238 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:41:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:37:08 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D4A@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Christmas lights Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:35:09 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I agree with Dale's comments ... However, I will reiterate that there are a few things/places where we can go that we can focus on riding there and then park and walk around to see the lights ... i.e. Ellipse and the Nat'l tree, or the temple. Also could go down to Old Town Alexandria, park by the river and walk to the Courthouse, or up and down King Street to see lots of X-mas decor. Let me know, chris PS, yes Brian, I would be willing do re-do the Downtown DC tour, but it might be a questionable idea on a Sat night. Last time it was on a Sat morning at 8 am. Not that I mind city riding, (in fact I love it), but with potentially 10 bikes ... well you get the idea. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 11:37 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Christmas lights > > I have mixed feelings about this. On the surface, it sounds like > a great idea, there are lots of really pretty houses decorated > this time of year. > > However, as my one and only accident occurred when I was > looking at something off the road (a street address - I ended up > rear ending a car stopped at an intersection, totally my fault, it > never would have happened if I had been paying attention.) I'm > not sure I would be comfortable participating in a group ride where > the focus is on things off the road. Especially if cagers are out and > about looking at the same houses. > > If you guys do this, be VERY careful. I want to see you all > at the Spring Party at my house! :-) > > > > _____________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > > > > > > Now seriously. > > I was thinking about an evening ride from say 6pm to 8pm this > Saturday. > > The purpose (aside from just riding) is to check out some of the DC > > area Christmas light displays people put on their homes. Now here's > > the catch; even though I like the idea, my neigborhood is rather > sparse > > on light shows. Therefore I volunteer not to lead this ride, but I > > will help organize it. Does anyone know of good places to see some > > nice lighting? Is anyone else interested in this idea? > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 10:42:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27145; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06419; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:42:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09286; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA09374 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA11376 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:37:31 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D4B@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: We're Famous ... Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:40:05 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >From another list ... Hmmm, from a gold Wing list? We don't have Gold Wings, do we? Well, Todd ... almost. Interesting how this stuff travels the net, lots of familiar names in here. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: A01LRL3@XXXXXX[SMTP:A01LRL3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 11:26 AM > To: Cybertwisties at your fingertips > Subject: You Know You're a Winter Rider When ... (long) > > I found this on the Goldwing list and I've never seen it on motolist > so I thought I'd share... > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 1:53 PM > Subject: You Know You're a Winter Rider When ... > > > >I've collected these from two lists, from last year and this year, by > >asking the question You Know You're a Winter Rider When .... I > provide > >them for your edification and amusement. > > > >Anybody want to add one? > > > >Chris Norloff > > > >P.S. Perhaps our Scandinavian friends will tell us how you REALLY > Know > >You're a Winter Rider When ... > > > >******************************* > >You know you're a winter rider when ... > >Sand in the road looks good 'cause it's less slippery than ice. > > > >Chris Norloff > >******************************** > >You Know you're a winter rider when ... > >The fog on the inside of your helmet visor turns to ice. > > > >Bill McLoone > >******************************** > >.. preparing for the daily commute you tell yourself things like: > > > >There isn't really *much* ice on the road > >After all it's only a 30 minute ride, how bad could it be? > >I don't really mind looking like a leather-covered Michelin Man > >I really *must* look into electric garmets ... > >Gotta ride. The alternative is that #$@*&@^% Metro. > >It's not all that cold .. the bike started, didn't it? > >Brian Downey > >******************************** > >You Know you're a winter rider when ... > >You listen to the traffic reports more carefully than the weather > reports. > >Leon Begeman > >******************************* > >You know you're a winter rider when you hope it is cold enough for > light > snow > >instead of light rain! > >Carl B. > >******************************* > >You know you're a winter rider when . . . > > > > . . . the frozen snot on your face thaws as you smile at the > attractive > >member-of-the-opposite-sex in the car sitting next to you at the > light and > >you realize that your nose is running. > > > > -Vo ;) '93 XLH 1200 (Vera Osidach) > >******************************* > >You know you're a winter rider when: > > > > you don't know what gasoline "stabilizer" is. > > > > you get to work and you look like you just hijacked a 747. > > > > you try with every fiber of your being not to kill people who > ask > >"but isn't it cold???" > > > > you go outside in shorts when it's 40 degrees. > > > >-Sash (Michael "Sash" Dow) > >****************************** > >When you're very adept at steering the bike with just your right > hand, > >because your left hand is intermittently down in the engine getting > warm. > > > >tjoseph@XXXXXX > >****************************** > >You know you're a winter rider when: > >.. you ride in the winter and don't notice the difference. > > > >Dark Hacker > >****************************** > >You know you're a winter rider when: > > > > You carry a lock de-icer so you can unlock the frozen gascap > > > >Brian McCoy > >****************************** > >"You know you're a winter rider when ..." > > > >You install a throttle lock so you can alternately switch which hand > >gets warmed up by the engine. > >Dale (the Horkster) Horstman > >***************************** > >"You know you're a winter rider when ..." > > > >When it takes you as long to get dressed and undressed > >as the trip takes. > > > >When you begin to consider gloves with only two fingers. > > > >When you keep a lighter to heat the key to melt through > >the ice on the ignition. > > > >you console yourself "at least it's not X degrees..." > >(X is a number 5 less than the current temp and > >continually dropping. > > > >You begin to purchase face masks that only Hannibal (the > >cannibal) Lecter could love. > > > >kornhaus@XXXXXX > >**************************** > >When you go riding because it's finally sunny [and 25 degrees] > > > >Bobb Todd Owen Sound, Ontario > >**************************** > >When you walk in to a 7/11 on a 20 degree day with all your gear on, > and > >people look at you funny because there is a 6 inch icicle hanging off > the > >chin of your helmet from the condensation of your breath running down > the > >faceshield. > > > >Richard Wood > >**************************** > >When you are riding to work and have convinced yourself you're > actually > >having fun commuting in 20-degree weather on a motorcycle. > > > >Todd Peer > >**************************** > >When you get to work and you dont start "working" until you have > peeled off > >your 3 extra pairs of pants, 2 extra shirts, 2 pairs of socks, etc > etc..... > > > >Jack WantAZX6@XXXXXX > >*************************** > >..It takes longer to dress for work than it > >does to get there. > > > >.. the first thing you shovel out after a snow > >is a path to you bike in the garage. > > > >... you take a cold shower in the morning as > >a primer for the ride to come. (It works) > > > >Gary (WV) Castleman hon1@XXXXXX > >************************** > >Your electric vest gets more use than your parka. > > > >You think the dried tear tracks on your face make you look > "distinguished". > > > >No one else in your Sunday morning riding group wants to ride because > >it's too cold. > > > >Two wheel slides are easy. > > > >You get cold *after* you park and get off the motorcycle. > > > > > >Gary Harris - NYC > >************************* > >You find yourself still exhaling though your mouth blowing the > >exhaled air down across you chin AFTER removing your helmet! > > > >kornhaus@XXXXXX > >************************* > >you have one of those little electrical block heater plugs sticking > out of > >the > >grill of your BIKE > > > >one word: OUTRIGGERS > > > >you have to watch out for caribou rather than deer > > > >you even know what "hippo hands" look like > > > >you are not from california and you ride in january > > > >Doug Jacobs > >************************ > >You know you're a winter rider when you go out to go to work and look > at > >the windshield of the car and decide rather than scrape the heavy > frost > >to just fire up the GoldWing instead! > > > >E.L McGuire > >*********************** > >The back of your gloves are waterproofed by SNOT! > > > >Randell Hendricks > >********************** > >You decide to take the bike because "The electric vest heats up > faster > >than the pickup truck." > > > >Cindi Knox > >********************* > >It takes two days of riding to get your tires warmed up...and now the > only > >reason they're warm is because you've ridden to Miami! > > > >David Pipe Grand Junction,Colorado > >********************* > >..when you get your bike out and all directions are south > > > >..when all your clothes have tags that say "thinsulate" > > > >..when your coffee freezes before you stop shaking enough to drink it > > > >..when your pee tube ends up being a popsicle > > > >..when 10 weight oil is too thick for the temperature > > > >..when at a stoplight, the guy asks you "what are those spikes doing > in > your > >tires?" > > > >..when you go to a snowmobile drag race and try to enter your bike > > > >..when you start the bike and yell "Mush" before you leave > > > >..you have to thaw out your zipper to take a wiz > > > >..you added a decal to your bike that says "ATV" > > > >..you drink the can of "Heat" instead of pouring it in the gas > > > >Terry Smith > >******************** > >.. when it freezes the balls off the pool table. > > > >Eddie Metz > >******************** > >On a related theme -- > > > >You know it's cold when: > > > >The local cops follow you every where you go. > > > >Then you find the Law Enforcement Officers have a pool on when you > will > crash. > > > >The officers have already written the ticket for reckless driving. > > > >The person with the highest stake in the pot is a snowplow driver. > > > >Sam Liles > >******************* > > > > > > =-=-= > Larry Ludwig "RIDE WITH PRIDE" Computer Center > 93 BMW K75S Northern Illinois University > 94 Honda GW Aspencade DeKalb, IL 60115 > net:A01LRL3@XXXXXX office:(815) 753-9448 home:(815) 758-1443 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 10:49:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27301; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06539; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09503; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id KAA03344; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:48:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3497F3FD.C81BEFBF@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:47:11 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Some friday afternoon fun.... References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D47@xcgva001.grumman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know other people have asked but where is this "test"? Jay Meier, Christopher wrote: > Dedicated Biker here .... > > Later, > chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > ---------- > > From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 1997 5:40 PM > > To: Todd Peer; dc-cycles > > Subject: Re: Some friday afternoon fun.... > > Hey, y'all-- > > I took the test twice. I couldn't make up my mind on some of the > > answers, > > and some of them (like what do you wear?) just didn't have the right > > choice. So the first time I was a "Dedicated Biker". Somebody else > > posted > > they got that. Who? The next time, I went for the "angrier" of my > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 11:18:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28127; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07163; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10703; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA22183 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:17:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA12542 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971217161752.ONMC215@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:17:52 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:17:49 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0ADD.68709220.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Test results Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:17:46 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've taken it twice and have come up with adrenaline junkie both times. Hm....... Test is at http://www.erack.com/mcw/advertorial/lloydsquiz/index.htm Have fun. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 11:34:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28394; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07717; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11099; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA27086; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:34:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:33:58 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCDAF@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Test results Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:32:10 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain This time I got "Angry Biker." Now that's more like it. Redhead with a temper. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Tanner [SMTP:linda.tanner@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 11:18 AM > To: Dc-Cycles (E-mail) > Subject: Test results > > I've taken it twice and have come up with adrenaline junkie both > times. Hm....... > > Test is at > > http://www.erack.com/mcw/advertorial/lloydsquiz/index.htm > > Have fun. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 12:38:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29567; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08136; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26003; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:28:59 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256570.006014FE ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:29:28 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Linda.Tanner@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256570.005FCA26.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:29:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I've taken it twice and have come up with adrenaline junkie both times. Hm....... Come on Linda just think about officer Moran (or was that Moron) down in southern Virginia while you're taking the test. That should make you come out as an angry biker! 8-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 13:02:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00650; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08221; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26262; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16541 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:30:52 -0500 (EST) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Daytime Ride? Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:32:43 GMT Message-ID: <349c0c67.57006500@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <199712171419.JAA11472@clark.net> In-Reply-To: <199712171419.JAA11472@clark.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:19:52 -0500 (EST), Louis Caplan wrote: >I don't remember the exact milage, but I have a good ride sheet from=20 >the last PARR Run (Fall Foliage). It starts out in Leesburg (former=20 >Hall's Honda) and spends a lot of time in West Virginia (not all at = Harper's=20 >Ferry either). I wouldn't mind making some copies and leading some = people on=20 >the route. It ends at a restaurant named "The Barn." I'm not exactly >sure where it is, just that it's west of Manassas. The route covered a >lot of good secondary roads, nice curves, dips etc. Sounds great to me... could even start out at the Sterling Burger King!! :) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 15:29:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03055; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09086; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29233; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:09:13 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:22:16 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Daytime Ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Count me in........actually, why dont I just say "COUNT ME IN ON ANY RIDE Y"ALL GO ON!!!". After all that IS basically what it is....HAHAHA Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 15:31:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03085; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09133; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16959; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:12:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA03844; Wed, 17 Dec 97 15:11:54 EST Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 17 Dec 97 12:13:27 -0008 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 17 Dec 97 12:13:14 -0008 Received: from vrc_cad.verticalreality by Bayview (Mercury/32 v1.23); 17 Dec 97 12:13:11 -0008 From: "Bruce B Dimon" To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: We're Famous ... Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:12:01 -0800 Message-Id: <01bd0b28$093afca0$c1a0bb9d@vrc_cad.verticalreality> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >Hmmm, from a gold Wing list? We don't have Gold Wings, do we? Well, >Todd ... almost. Damn straight we do! A GL1500 is a great bike for commuting: * Low center of gravity for excellent balance in a traffic jam. * CB for asking directions around the traffic jam. * AM radio for listening to traffic jam reports on WTOP. * FM radio and cassette for distraction while sitting in a traffic jam. * Lots of storage space for shopping and work. * Lots of tail and brake lights to alert the tailgating morons. * Big fairing to protect you from your necktie to your wingtips. and the biggest advantage of all...... It's the only "car" that you can legally park in a DC motorcycle meter space! Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Senior Programmer/Analyst A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 15:51:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03334; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09486; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17537; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA07491 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:35:19 -0500 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD0AE8.7535EA40@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:36:55 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0AE8.7535EA40@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Test results Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:36:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I of course got angry biker on round one, and didn't need to retake it to get a go.... -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 11:32 AM To: Dc-Cycles (E-mail) Subject: RE: Test results This time I got "Angry Biker." Now that's more like it. Redhead with a temper. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Tanner [SMTP:linda.tanner@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 11:18 AM > To: Dc-Cycles (E-mail) > Subject: Test results > > I've taken it twice and have come up with adrenaline junkie both > times. Hm....... > > Test is at > > http://www.erack.com/mcw/advertorial/lloydsquiz/index.htm > > Have fun. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 16:19:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04025; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10178; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18484; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:06:22 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <73c0f8c5.349839db@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:45:11 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: insurance rates Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << ....now I now why one of the reasons why insurance rates are so high... -aki >> Try working at a motorcycle dealer and see low mileage sport bikes come in severely wrecked almost daily during the busy season. As a commissioned parts manager, I saw dollar figures in my eyes. As a rider, I winced, knowing of the final cost to us all in insurance rates. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 16:43:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04766; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10895; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19595; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA26746 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca004.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.103]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA25951 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA004 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:16:45 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D57@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'dc-cycles'" , "'Bruce B Dimon'" Subject: RE: We're Famous ... Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:16:23 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain That's right! I forgot about our "transplanted" Washingtonian ... :-) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Bruce B Dimon[SMTP:dimon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 3:12 PM > To: Meier, Christopher; 'dc-cycles' > Subject: Re: We're Famous ... > > >Hmmm, from a gold Wing list? We don't have Gold Wings, do we? Well, > >Todd ... almost. > > > Damn straight we do! A GL1500 is a great bike for commuting: > * Low center of gravity for excellent balance in a traffic jam. > * CB for asking directions around the traffic jam. > * AM radio for listening to traffic jam reports on WTOP. > * FM radio and cassette for distraction while sitting in a traffic > jam. > * Lots of storage space for shopping and work. > * Lots of tail and brake lights to alert the tailgating morons. > * Big fairing to protect you from your necktie to your wingtips. > > and the biggest advantage of all...... > > It's the only "car" that you can legally park in a DC motorcycle meter > space! > > Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Senior Programmer/Analyst > A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division > Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 > Work: dimon@XXXXXX > Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX > Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 16:54:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05034; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11209; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03034; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA25907 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA25186 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:58:52 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D56@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Christmas lights Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:58:35 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 11:54 AM > To: Meier, Christopher > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Christmas lights > --snip-- > The author speaks of the Mormon Temple as well and suggests getting > there just after dusk to avoid the crowding. I concur. Maybe we can > meet at the temple at say between 5-5:30pm to beat the crowds of > cages, > cruise downtown via Rock Creek to the WhiteHouse. Are there any good > neigborhoods along the way to the WhiteHouse? Or maybe we can > bee-line > via Connecticut Ave, and then head out to Manassass via some back > roads. > > Other Suggestions? > Ahem! Looks like we have a ride leader here ... (Paybacks are hell Todd, and, yes I will be there) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 17:24:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05536; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11584; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:22:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21625; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA25200; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA04556; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:34:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971217183423.PBTU215@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:34:23 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:34:20 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0AF0.7AE070C0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" , "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:34:18 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right, it should. And thinking about insurance companies. Yep, I'm plenty ANGRY. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 11:29 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Linda.Tanner@XXXXXX Subject: I've taken it twice and have come up with adrenaline junkie both times. Hm....... Come on Linda just think about officer Moran (or was that Moron) down in southern Virginia while you're taking the test. That should make you come out as an angry biker! 8-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 21:50:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09244; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14336; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28068; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01749; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:34:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17869; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:34:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712180234.VAA17869@clark.net> Subject: Re: Saturday Daytime Ride? To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:34:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <349c0c67.57006500@relay.mnsinc.com> from "Anita Lauro" at Dec 17, 97 05:32:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >I don't remember the exact milage, but I have a good ride sheet from > >the last PARR Run (Fall Foliage). It starts out in Leesburg (former > >Hall's Honda) and spends a lot of time in West Virginia (not all at Harper's > >Ferry either). I wouldn't mind making some copies and leading some people > >on the route. It ends at a restaurant named "The Barn." I'm not exactly > >sure where it is, just that it's west of Manassas. The route covered a > >lot of good secondary roads, nice curves, dips etc. > > Sounds great to me... could even start out at the Sterling Burger > King!! :) > Anita Here is some more information on the ride I'm suggesting for Saturday: Starts at Loudoun MotorSports (formerly Hall's Honda) in Leesburg (I can post directions and such). There is a Roy Rogers on Rt. 7 just before the turn to the starting point. It is by the K-Mart. Heading West on Rt. 7 it would be on your right. This probably would be a good starting point. There are gas stations between Roy's and Loudoun MotorSports. The ride ends at "The Barn" in Marshall, VA. To get back to "known area" I'll be taking I-66. The ride is 164 miles long and spends a lot of time in West Virginia. It also goes into MD for a short spell. Part of the challenge for this ride is that W. Va doesn't put up a lot of road signs, but my group did all right except for one turn when we did the orginial ride, so I don't think we will run into too many problems. Each leg is approximately 40 miles, and ends within reasonable distance to a gas station. The stop for the halfway point is at a McDonald's. There is also a stop at Winchester Indian. Anita mentioned she needed to be back about 5 pm or so, and I need to meet some people in Falls Church. I haven't stayed on a DC-Cycles ride long enough to see how long you take rest stops (I'll be able to stay the whole ride this time, I promise!!) but it looks like we would need to get moving from Loudoun Motorsports by 10 or 10:30 at the latest. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 21:51:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09266; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14601; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08718; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA17088 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA22964 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:04:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971217170420.OTJE215@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:04:20 -0600 Message-ID: <34980615.6A11F8F3@mci.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:04:21 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Christmas lights References: <19971217165845.OLPY28757@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As for suggestions, there's a house on Dale Boulevard in Dale City (where I live, coincidently, see a pattern?) that we passed during daylight hours on our Sunday trip that is a sight to behold at night. These people go nuts every year. Lights, sound, motion, it's incredible. Maybe on your way back through from Manassas. I'll walk over and admire it from my house. :-) Dale (the Horkster) Todd Peer wrote: > Chris Meir wrote: > >I agree with Dale's comments ... However, I will reiterate that there > >are a few things/places where we can go that we can focus on riding > >there and then park and walk around to see the lights ... i.e. Ellipse > >and the Nat'l tree, or the temple. Also could go down to Old Town > >Alexandria, park by the river and walk to the Courthouse, or up and down > >King Street to see lots of X-mas decor. > > This sounds good! I was looking on the web to see what's out > there for light displays. I found this house in Manassass that is > supposed to have more than 24,000 lights! Go to: > > http://www.erols.com/ajezioro/ > > The author speaks of the Mormon Temple as well and suggests getting > there just after dusk to avoid the crowding. I concur. Maybe we can > meet at the temple at say between 5-5:30pm to beat the crowds of cages, > cruise downtown via Rock Creek to the WhiteHouse. Are there any good > neigborhoods along the way to the WhiteHouse? Or maybe we can bee-line > via Connecticut Ave, and then head out to Manassass via some back roads. > > Other Suggestions? > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 21:54:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09366; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15111; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09087; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA18007 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA18889; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:05:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971217170551.OTMY215@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:05:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3498066F.51B262D9@mci.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:05:52 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Old vs. New ... References: <19971216192350.MPGK215@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all, Todd and I are having an civilized discussion here about the merits of old vs new bikes. This is not a flame, but just my feelings on the matter. It is not my intent to offend anyone here. Comments and discussion welcomed. Dale Todd Peer wrote: > The difference in the > technology between bikes of today and yesteryear point to many outdated > designs. Old designs aren't necessarily bad designs. I like to think of them as 'proven' designs. > Motorcycles (like most vehicles) of today are seeing more > computer technology ranging from onboard PROMs that control fuel > injection systems Does fuel injection make significant improvements in mpg? Or is it just another high-tech gizmo that is prone to electronic failure (electronics systems being the weakest link of a motorcycle)? My 78 1015 cc engine produces ~93 hp, and nowadays gets 37 mpg with carbs. I know there are probably emissions advantages, etc. with EFI, but I'm not convinced that it's better. > Braking dynamics have changed as have suspensions. Now these are noteworthy. My bike, for all it's strengths, rides like a buckboard. And I can't even approach the traction limits with the front brake. And I wish my bike had shaft drive. But that's about it for complaints. > You CAN still get a mile wide grin from the earlier machines, and save > yourself a little $$ in the process. But from where I stand, it's > a trade off. I guess I stand at the other end. I think I save a *LOT* of money. What I spend on replacement parts each month comes nowhere near what a new bike payment would cost. > It really ticks me off when parts I need for an older > bike I'm working with cost so damn much. And new bikes are cheaper? How much to replace the plastic fairing loweron your ST? Parts are expensive for anything. Sigh. > Oh yeah, the maintenance > on older machines seems to be much more frequent as well. I think you are right here. If you don't enjoy/aren't capableof working on a bike, stay away from the older ones. They've usually suffered from years of severe neglect. FWIW, the stuff I fix on my bike ususally stays fixed, but there's always some new little thing cropping up. No big deal. This isn't enough to make my pay 10x the money for a newer bike that I have no idea how to work on. > I happen to welcome advances in technology when applied to the design > in motor vehicles. I'm hesitant to jump on this bandwagon. Change for change's sake is bad.Change for Marketing's sake is very bad. Change for improved safety/reliability/ serviceability I can understand and would welcome.HORKSTER'S TOP 10 LIST OF USELESS NEW BIKE TECHNOLOGY 1. Liquid Cooling - one more component to break down, gotta flush it every year 2. Electric start without a kickstart backup system. - batteries do die, you know. 3. Liquid Crystal Display guages - cheap, fog prone, don't display in cold weather 4. Electronic Fuel Injection - what's the point? 5. Air Adjustable shocks - more containers on the bike that don't hold air 6. Hydraulic Clutches - no feel, can't adjust, another master cyclinder on the handlebar. 7. Anti Lock Brakes - let me stop the bike, please. 8. Plastic Fairings - aerodynamic? not with cracks in them... 8. Fuel Guages - not typically accurate, from what I've heard. I do better with tripmeters. 9. On-board computer chips - Don't these run off the battery? All the time? 10. This isn't new technology, but what's with the lack of 4-way emergency flashers on a lot of new bikes nowadays? My 78 Kawasaki had them, they are a useful, practical, inexpensive safety device. Why isn't this standard equipment like turn signals? > , I think because I like to watch the evolution of it > all. This is my preference, not a dictum. Understood. I think we agree to disagree here, that's all. I believe that a lot ofnew bikes are over-engineered with questionably useless high-tech features that do little but jack up the price and serve as distinction from one model year to the next. > Todd > > Me too! But my preference is for new and advanced machines. Sad thing is, in 15-20 years, I'll probably be telling everyone how good the bikes of the '90's were... = :-o Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 21:54:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09371; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15116; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09089; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA14062; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA08869; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:58:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971217165845.OLPY28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:58:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:54 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Christmas lights X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971217165845.OLPY28757@[166.41.242.141]> Chris Meir wrote: >I agree with Dale's comments ... However, I will reiterate that there >are a few things/places where we can go that we can focus on riding >there and then park and walk around to see the lights ... i.e. Ellipse >and the Nat'l tree, or the temple. Also could go down to Old Town >Alexandria, park by the river and walk to the Courthouse, or up and down >King Street to see lots of X-mas decor. This sounds good! I was looking on the web to see what's out there for light displays. I found this house in Manassass that is supposed to have more than 24,000 lights! Go to: http://www.erols.com/ajezioro/ The author speaks of the Mormon Temple as well and suggests getting there just after dusk to avoid the crowding. I concur. Maybe we can meet at the temple at say between 5-5:30pm to beat the crowds of cages, cruise downtown via Rock Creek to the WhiteHouse. Are there any good neigborhoods along the way to the WhiteHouse? Or maybe we can bee-line via Connecticut Ave, and then head out to Manassass via some back roads. Other Suggestions? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 21:55:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09401; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15160; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28853; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:55:35 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:15:20 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: First run-in with cage today Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Had my first run-in with a cage today. Was riding around Springfield Mall about to stop and get dinner (Taco Bell was calling). A cage pulled out in front of me. I followed not too close but close enough I guess. All of a sudden the driver stops cold and I see REVERSE LIGHTS!!!! Oh shit. She starts backing up and I yell "HEYYYYYYY". She only stops after she has run up on my front tire. Broke a nice piece off the fender. She jumps out and starts apologizing profusely. Just then a fellow biker pulls up and offers assistance. I gave the lady my info and since she seemed genuinely sorry and offered to pay for the damage (no insurance to deal with) I didnt press any farther. Feel free to flog me at the fact that I was so shaken that I FORGOT TO WRITE DOWN HER PLATE!! ARGG! Oh well, lets hope some people are honest these days. Minor incident but got me shaken as this is my first incident with a cager. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 22:16:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09736; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17118; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00051; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00068 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:17:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:17:11 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First run-in with cage today In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm... That reminds me -- I need to look into getting a seriously loud horn for my bike... Did you have your high beams on? You have to really watch out around parking lots, people really get confused... I've had people back into me at a stop sign while I was DRIVING A VAN! I don't know why people think the laws of traffic and physics are suspended when you're in reverse. Glad you're OK! Pete. On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, WantA ZX6 wrote: > Had my first run-in with a cage today. ...[snip]... I see REVERSE > LIGHTS!!!! Oh shit. She starts backing up and I yell "HEYYYYYYY". She > only stops after she has run up on my front tire. Broke a nice piece > off the fender. ... [snip] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 22:17:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09756; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17262; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00147; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA07504 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:53:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA21056 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:40:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971217194057.PAIQ28757@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:40:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:35 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Old vs. New ... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971217194057.PAIQ28757@[166.41.242.141]> Dale wrote: >Todd Peer wrote: > > > The difference in the > > technology between bikes of today and yesteryear point to many outdated > > designs. > >Old designs aren't necessarily bad designs. I like to think of them as >'proven' designs. I didn't say old designs may be bad designs, just (in some cases) outdated. I believe tungsten light-bulbs for headlights to be inferior to halogen for instance. Both serve the same purpose, but one will be the de-facto standard very shortly - halogen. The new VFR will employ a composite of aluminum/ceramic sleeve for the piston chamber. This new composite has been proven to be a superior heat manager, and allows for a higher compression piston. Is that better/desirable? I say yes. > > Motorcycles (like most vehicles) of today are seeing more > > computer technology ranging from onboard PROMs that control fuel > > injection systems > >Does fuel injection make significant improvements in mpg? Or is it just >another >high-tech gizmo that is prone to electronic failure (electronics >systems being the weakest link of a motorcycle)? My 78 1015 cc engine >produces ~93 hp, and nowadays gets 37 mpg with carbs. I know there >are probably emissions advantages, etc. with EFI, but I'm not convinced >that it's better. Your carburators also leak. Carburation has evolved btw. I forget the name (starts with an 'A') of the early carbs used, but they evolved to the single slide, which evolved to the constant velocity vacuum types. Carburation is always being tinkered with by people who desire better response/more HP. Does an EFI make for better mpg? I don't know but I'd guess, yes. An EFI is managed by a computer that is constantly measuring exhaust gases, airflow, atmosphere, throttle positioning and more, all of which have an effect on, or are caused by what is happening in the combustion chamber. Computers are very fast, as we are aware, and can make slight adjustments to the amount of fuel and its mixture as we sit back and ride. Can't do that with a carburator. An EFI has potential for failure at any point in the system. Typically, the injector ceases to do it's job (I think my cage has this problem now). Pop it out and replace it like a spark plug. They do cost a pretty penny, but so do carb-rebuild kits. Are they worth it? For what an EFI does compared to a carburator, I say yes. > > Braking dynamics have changed as have suspensions. > >Now these are noteworthy. My bike, for all it's strengths, rides like a >buckboard. >And I can't even approach the traction limits with the front brake. And I wish > >my bike had shaft drive. But that's about it for complaints. > > > You CAN still get a mile wide grin from the earlier machines, and save > > yourself a little $$ in the process. But from where I stand, it's > > a trade off. > >I guess I stand at the other end. I think I save a *LOT* of money. What I >spend >on replacement parts each month comes nowhere near what a new bike payment >would cost. You got me here. Sometimes I need to step back and think a little bit about the $$ cost of a new machine. The only new bike I've purchased is the CB750 NightHawk. I have never regretted it. It is a reliable machine that I've always felt was mine and mine only. That's probably why it looks so clean - I have a vested interest :-) > > It really ticks me off when parts I need for an older > > bike I'm working with cost so damn much. > >And new bikes are cheaper? How much to replace the plastic fairing loweron >your ST? Parts are expensive for anything. Sigh. What I meant was that the dollar cost of parts for older bikes has risen with inflation. Dealers typically use the argument that we are paying for inventory when in fact, the inventory IS moving. I won't argue that new bike parts are cheap, but there is no reason (other than making a buck) to charge $40+ for a carburator rebuild kit for a 1983 Shadow! (includes two rubber bowl gaskets, filters, and a couple O-rings). As far as plastic replacement goes....no argument here. It IS expensive, but for no apparent reason. > > Oh yeah, the maintenance > > on older machines seems to be much more frequent as well. > >I think you are right here. If you don't enjoy/aren't capableof working on a >bike, stay away from the older ones. They've >usually suffered from years of severe neglect. FWIW, the stuff >I fix on my bike ususally stays fixed, but there's always some new >little thing cropping up. No big deal. This isn't enough to make >my pay 10x the money for a newer bike that I have no idea how >to work on. Well, the only work I've done to the CB or ST to date is change oil, replace drive chain/sprockets and carb-synch. CB doesn't require valve adjustments, the ST every 16,000 miles (most owners report not needing it until 30,000), and my Shadow every 8,000. You will definately work more and more frequently on an older bike than a newer one. > > I happen to welcome advances in technology when applied to the design > > in motor vehicles. > >I'm hesitant to jump on this bandwagon. Change for change's sake is >bad.Change for Marketing's sake is very bad. Change for improved >safety/reliability/ >serviceability I can understand and would welcome. Change for changes sake IS/Could be bad. But I didn't say that. >HORKSTER'S TOP 10 LIST OF USELESS NEW BIKE TECHNOLOGY >1. Liquid Cooling - one more component to break down, gotta flush it every >year Have never flushed the Shadow. Never needed to. >2. Electric start without a kickstart backup system. - batteries do die, you >know. Agree. However, advise to keep spare fuses and a fully charged battery. >3. Liquid Crystal Display guages - cheap, fog prone, don't display in cold >weather Agree, but mostly because of aesthetics. >4. Electronic Fuel Injection - what's the point? See above. >5. Air Adjustable shocks - more containers on the bike that don't hold air >6. Hydraulic Clutches - no feel, can't adjust, another master cyclinder on >the handlebar. Agree. >7. Anti Lock Brakes - let me stop the bike, please. Totally agree here. There was an impromptu test between a couple of ST owners, one with ABS and one without. The one with could always stop the bike by a significant number of feet in a panic situation. Given that, why do I agree with you? Because I want to stop the bike! >8. Plastic Fairings - aerodynamic? not with cracks in them... So what you mean are that 'cracked' fairings are useless. No comment since some of my freinds might be reading :-) >8. Fuel Guages - not typically accurate, from what I've heard. I do better >with tripmeters. >9. On-board computer chips - Don't these run off the battery? All the time? Not if it's a PROM. >10. This isn't new technology, but what's with the lack of 4-way emergency >flashers > on a lot of new bikes nowadays? My 78 Kawasaki had them, they are a >useful, > practical, inexpensive safety device. Why isn't this standard >equipment like turn > signals? > > , I think because I like to watch the evolution of it > > all. This is my preference, not a dictum. > >Understood. I think we agree to disagree here, that's all. I believe that a >lot ofnew bikes are over-engineered with questionably useless high-tech >features that >do little but jack up the price and serve as distinction from one model year >to the next. High-tech becomes de rigueur of yester-morrow. There is no reason to fear it, and it wouldn't help anyway. It's coming and is here. I think import tarrifs and other economic factors such as insurance and consumer litigiousness do more to jack up the price than the high-tech. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 22:54:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10300; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18404; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo07.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01179; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:53:48 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <4f0c7316.34989ddb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:51:53 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Daytime Ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Count me in....Id be willing to ride with some people from DC Metro area over to Leesburg (providing yall can keep up..hehehe). Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 22:57:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10336; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18452; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01289; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <63d6917b.34972a67@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:43:25 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ordered Tires... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << I ordered my K591s today so I shall have good, new tires Saturday. Show me the curves! >> Please break your new tires in before attacking curves. 50-100 miles of "scubbing them in". I can't count the number of unfortunate results I have seen, even after giving that advice. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 23:00:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10409; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18517; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01445; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:00:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA02332 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:00:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3498CA44.4D4E@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:01:24 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Performance BikePersonality Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, I finally did mine and after wading through the awkward Brit idiomatic language (WTF is a Pringle? I thought it was a potato chip ;) trying to come up with a comparable "Murriken" scenario I was judged as being a "Dedicated Biker." Speaking of which, I think I'm up for a ride on Saturday too. J (Digest Mode) K From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 23:06:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10490; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18683; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01663; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:06:30 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <29fa9a99.34989fb5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:59:46 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Daytime Ride? Burger King? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Pardon my newbie-ness but what is with Anita and Burger Kings?????????? HAAHAHA Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 23:15:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10599; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18798; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01918; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:15:13 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <4e93e49c.3498a163@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:06:57 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ordered Tires... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Hmmm....I think there may be a correlation between the low mileage sportbikes being wrecked and the new tires. I know my wreck had a little to do with that. Only had about 100 miles on the new tires. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 17 23:35:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10814; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19791; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02351; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.66]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA18109; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:34:32 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Sunday Trip Report Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:31:33 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971218043430.AAA18109@default> John-- You wrote: BTW, curiously absent from the ride were (in no particular order): Kevin Thomas, Collin Fagan and Brian (OK-I'll-fix-your-bike-for-you-Jeanette) McCoy. WTH happened to you slackers? ! Yeah, I got your slacker right here, buddy! ;-) I'm stuck at home studying all that stuff I should have been learning all semester while I was out riding my VFR. Yup, finals week. I'm done on saturday, and then I have a month's worth of stuff to do for myself, my parents and my aunt before I leave town for 12-25 to 1-1. Just one more semester of this stuff...... You also wrote: we took off up Rte 15-29 up to I-66 where Todd unleashed his ponies, and gave new meaning to the Linda Rondstadt song "Blue Bayou" You haven't ridden with Collin, have you? On our ride the previous sunday, a CAMS ride with a strong DC Cycles contingent, the fast group broke away early, but I stayed with the slow bunch. BTW, I think we need a medium group on these rides. Linda, are you in? Anyway, after letting Todd and Brian kick my pool-playing butt at Payne's, I joined the fast guys 'cause they were heading my way. I wimped out early and had lost sight of the hot shots when a lumbering, xmas tree bedecked Volvo held me up. Brian waited for me at the next turn while the rest blasted down the road, but it took me so long to catch up that Collin, John Koh, Todd, and John on the Bandit came back to search for me. I'd met up with Brian by then and the group passed us in the opposite direction and pulled a u-turn. We were on Ryan rd, a rural back road, a little hilly with some driveways, reasonably straight, a little rough. Brian and I were zipping along at about 75 (in maybe a 35 zone) when the rest of the guys, led by Collin, passed us at full chat. I reckon Collin was doing 140 or better. I should have been watching my mirrors closer, but this was such a surprise I 'bout fell off the bike. That's a Blue Bayou..... later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 07:42:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15523; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27315; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00971; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA26238; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:42:32 -0500 (EST) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: WantA ZX6 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Daytime Ride? Burger King? Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:44:31 GMT Message-ID: <3499185c.125614253@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <29fa9a99.34989fb5@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <29fa9a99.34989fb5@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:59:46 EST, you wrote: >Pardon my newbie-ness but what is with Anita and Burger Kings?????????? >HAAHAHA Nothing sinister here... :) =20 I just live about 1.5 miles from the Sterling Burger King. After just buying my "new" Nighthawk 750 I was happy to see that the next dc-cycles ride was starting out from the Burger King so close to my house. Unfortunately my bike had other ideas, and a dead battery so I drove over on my "rain bike" just to say "hi." I think it was the next week that Colllin, Morris Berman and myself went on a nice little jaunt starting from there. Next was a Rte 1/Alexandria start... "only" 40 miles from my house, but I did make it in time. I wimped out on the Woodbridge ride, though -- too far, too early, too cold.=20 I'll more than gladly start out from "Loudoun Motorsports"... I do admit, however, that since the BK is an absolute zoo on weekends, I like hanging out with a "bunch of bikers" in the parking lot... causing lots of worry to the parents inside, no doubt!! :) =20 Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 09:17:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16372; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28218; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02341; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA26659 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:17:05 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma026640; Thu, 18 Dec 97 09:17:00 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id JAA16340 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882454445; Thu, 18 Dec 97 09:14:09 -0500 Message-Id: <9712188824.AA882454445@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 09:12:30 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Water Cooled engine - thoughts. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright, I'm having problems once again with my little VF (sometimes I think I'm getting tired of this bike - then I go out and ride and forget all that nonsense). My bike is having a hard time running - but it's intermittent. It bogs down, like it has bad gas (which is what I thought at first) - after a short time, I noticed that I was having a water leak from somewhere around the engine (I run water and water wetter in the coolant system). Well, the past few days I've noticed the bike has been running hotter (where it normally runs in the summer), the bike has been running better and no water leaks. Last night while I was charging my new battery, and replacing a burned out headlight - I checked the coolant system - and it was low. (funny that the little revisor was still full, must have a clogged line or something). I filled it back up with water/water wetter - and again, this morning, on the way to work it started giving me hassles again. My question, is it possible for something to have corroded so much that water can seep into the engine? It's not mixing with the oil (oil is still black, not puffy white/creamy) - so that would indicate it's getting into the system on the top side of the piston - possibly the carbs (why would carbs be cooled though). Any other thoughts? The system has NEVER lost fluid before. It's being a pain in my ass, hope someone can help me out.. otherwise I'm just going to throw my plate on the RS125... Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 09:21:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16436; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28409; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02404; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.7.1/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA26599; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA10036; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:20:42 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA10031; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:20:42 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0B7D.20166CC0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:21:07 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'RDWOODJR'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: insurance rates Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:17:40 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 27 TEXT Am I the only one with great insurance rates? $123 a year for basic coverage on a '88 Kaw 454 LTD. Must be 'cause I have an older, standard-style bike. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC HAPPY HOLIDAYS! >-----Original Message----- >From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 12:45 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: insurance rates ><< > ....now I now why one of the reasons why insurance rates are so high... > > -aki >> > >Try working at a motorcycle dealer and see low mileage sport bikes come in >severely wrecked almost daily during the busy season. As a commissioned parts >manager, I saw dollar figures in my eyes. As a rider, I winced, knowing of >the >final cost to us all in insurance rates. > >Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 09:37:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16668; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28773; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02678; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA24641; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:37:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:36:15 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCDC0@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ordered Tires... Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:34:29 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks, everyone, for the new tire advice. I'll be sure to take it easy Saturday & Sunday, then I'll rip & roar!! ha ha I ride enough that half a day should take care of the slippiness, right?? ; ) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 09:50:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16868; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28897; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from urchin.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02983; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from dclink.com by urchin.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07774; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:49:53 -0500 (EST) X-ROUTED: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:40:54 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser Received: from 24-charlie [207.168.31.16] by dclink.com with smtp id AJCICDFO ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:40:42 -0500 From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Subject: Insurance Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:47:55 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.8809.13157@207.168.31.16 Well I pay $600 a year for full coverage on a RF600 and I'm 27 M, and my girlfriend pays about $120 a year on a 81 Yamaha 400 which has very low mileage (about 4,000) and is in great condition and will probably be for sale next season sometime. I'll keep your posted if anyone is interested. CK Choose your weapon............... RF600R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 10:06:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17260; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29078; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03400; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:02:55 -0500 Message-ID: <6D23993401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <6923993401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:04:39 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bmccoy@XXXXXX (Brian McCoy) Subject: Re: Water Cooled engine - thoughts. Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway I'd strongly suspect your thermostat. Unfortunately, the only way to test it is to pull it. If you go that far, you might as well install a new one. What's probably happening is the coolant in the engine is boiling off through the rad cap and various plumbing fittings...thus the hot readings and low level (while the puke tank remains full) I doubt strongly that the coolant is entering the case or sump. You'd see emulsification around the breather and on the inside of the oil fill plug indicating the presence of water. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 10:09:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17370; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29095; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03482; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA02949; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA04757; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971218150859.DHCE6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:08:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:00 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Brian McCoy" CC: Subject: Re: Water Cooled engine - thoughts. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971218150859.DHCE6587@[166.41.242.141]> Posting to all for open discussion. On Thu, 18 Dec 97 09:12:30 Brian McCoy wrote: > Alright, I'm having problems once again with my little VF (sometimes I > think I'm getting tired of this bike - then I go out and ride and > forget all that nonsense). My bike is having a hard time running - > but it's intermittent. It bogs down, like it has bad gas (which is > what I thought at first) - after a short time, I noticed that I was > having a water leak from somewhere around the engine (I run water and > water wetter in the coolant system). Well, the past few days I've > noticed the bike has been running hotter (where it normally runs in > the summer), the bike has been running better and no water leaks. > Last night while I was charging my new battery, and replacing a burned > out headlight - I checked the coolant system - and it was low. (funny > that the little revisor was still full, must have a clogged line or > something). I filled it back up with water/water wetter - and again, > this morning, on the way to work it started giving me hassles again. > > My question, is it possible for something to have corroded so much > that water can seep into the engine? It's not mixing with the oil > (oil is still black, not puffy white/creamy) - so that would indicate > it's getting into the system on the top side of the piston - possibly > the carbs (why would carbs be cooled though). Any other thoughts? > The system has NEVER lost fluid before. It's being a pain in my ass, > hope someone can help me out.. otherwise I'm just going to throw my > plate on the RS125... Symptoms: 1. Bike having hard time running - like bad gas 2. Water leak observed - somewhere around engine 3. Low water level in coolant system. 4. Resevoir not being tapped by system. Indications: 1. When coolant is low, engine running hotter than normal. 2. When coolant is low, engine is running ok - smoother. 3. Resevoir not being tapped even though coolant is low. It looks to me like you've got two problems, one minor and one maybe not so minor. Pull your thermostat and test it. Check the resevoir line for blockage. W/o seeing an explosion of your motor, I'm only speculating about your not so minor problem. Is the "water wetter" additive your using appropriate for aluminum motors? I can't think why it would corrode the metal. Are there coolant journals in the head close to the cylinder? Could there be a leaky point in your gasket at the head? One way or another, it sounds like you're getting water in your cylinder(s). Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 10:20:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17533; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:20:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29232; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03687; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.79]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA16864; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:19:20 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: insurance rates Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:16:29 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971218151919.AAA16864@default> Ursulina- Do you live in DC? Your rates are good because you have a small bike, and because it's got no plastic bodywork, and 'cause you only have liability insurance. LTD454s aren't popular with young male riders who will wreck often, so the bike has a good history. It probably also helps that you are a woman; I know it helps on your car insurance. Three years ago in NC, I paid $100/year for liability and theft on my 73 CB750. I dropped the theft when I realized it wasn't comprehensive, just fire/theft, then the bike got stolen. Conversely, even an adult rider on a new CBR600 will find his/her monthly insurance payment roughly equal to the monthly bike payment. Right, Linda and Sean? see ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 10:23:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17570; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29272; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03794; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IRBDTVTFBK8ZLO8T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:23:25 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:17:39 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:17:39 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:18:16 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: California Superbike School To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:18:16 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1558IDW27Y9O X400-MTS-identifier: [;93710181217991/2199219@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 I'm currently making plans to attend the California Superbike School which will be at Watkins Glen Wednesday, May 26 and Thursday, May 27. I thought I'd see if anyone else had an interest in going up with me, particularly someone with a trailer (I can tow with my truck). I'll probably be making the reservation at the beginning of January. Let me know if you'd like to join me. FYI, their web page is at http://superbikeschool.com/ Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 10:25:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17633; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29303; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03858; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IRBDTVTFBK8ZLO8T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:25:31 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:22:56 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:22:56 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:23:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Horns, again To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:23:35 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1559IDW28N2H X400-MTS-identifier: [;65220181217991/2199276@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 When the recent horn discussion was going on I was completely unconcerned, since I didn't have any use for the information at the time. After an incident yesterday, however, I have found that my horn has died. (It makes something like a weak "plnrfffaaa" sound now. My alternate horns, including my boot and my exhaust noise didn't get the attention of the BDC any better than the "plnrfffaaa" sound did. I don't think the boot worked because of the excessively short legs that my family procured for me. The exhaust noise didn't work because the woman was, in fact, brain dead). Unfortunately, I have been unable to get to the list archives (problem with my system...). So, if anyone has any cheap horn advice for me or if you saved the horn messages please let me know. Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 10:26:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17644; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29315; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03880; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA20653 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:26:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA18211 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:25:58 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D58@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Viteri, Ursulina'" Subject: RE: insurance rates Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:23:49 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain There are lots of factors in Ins. rates, one of which is style of bike. I pay about $140.00 every six months for my 1994 RF900 garaged in the City of Alexandria. That is $280.00 per year for FULL coverage with NO deductible. *Very* good rates considering that I am a 28 yr old unmarried male. Also, since the carrier is USAA, they always rebate a portion of the premiums you pay, as an Insurance dividend. It is based on what your rate/valuation is, combined with how well USAA's investment of the funds were and the amount of global loss the association had to pay out. This year was the highest rebate USAA ever had. I received a check for $288.00 yesterday (I have cars on the policy as well), so I basically got the amount I paid to insure the bike back. Can't complain about free bike insurance, (although I would have rather not laid out the $ to begin with) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 1997 9:17 AM > To: 'RDWOODJR'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: insurance rates > > Am I the only one with great insurance rates? $123 a year for basic > coverage on a '88 Kaw 454 LTD. Must be 'cause I have an older, > standard-style bike. > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > HAPPY HOLIDAYS! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 10:28:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17681; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29367; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03934; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA10882; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA18441; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971218152543.QPBW28757@XXXXXX>; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:25:43 -0600 Message-ID: <34994073.17C5B2A4@mci.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:25:40 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" CC: "Viteri, Ursulina" Subject: Re: insurance rates References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another data point. I pay about $100 each a year for my 3 bikes. Older standard/cruisers. It's the minimum coverage, no collison insurance on the bikes themselves. Of couse, being 28, married, two kids, and a good driving record with no tickets might have something to do with it. :-) Oh gosh, I just realized it, they think I'm a responsible adult. AAUUGHGH! Time to go Postal or something! Horkster 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1987 Suzuki Savage 650 Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Am I the only one with great insurance rates? $123 a year for basic > coverage on a '88 Kaw 454 LTD. Must be 'cause I have an older, > standard-style bike. > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > HAPPY HOLIDAYS! > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 12:45 PM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: insurance rates > ><< > > ....now I now why one of the reasons why insurance rates are so high... > > > > -aki >> > > > >Try working at a motorcycle dealer and see low mileage sport bikes come in > >severely wrecked almost daily during the busy season. As a commissioned parts > >manager, I saw dollar figures in my eyes. As a rider, I winced, knowing of > >the > >final cost to us all in insurance rates. > > > >Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 10:38:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17853; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29866; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04170; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA15339 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA30860 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:37:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971218153733.QQMF28757@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:37:33 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:37:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0BA0.F44557E0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: insurance rates Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:37:34 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, and count yourself lucky. I have full coverage (ACKKKK), I'm an old fart, a lousy driving record (but Officier...) and pay $512/year!! And I'll be lucky if I don't get cancelled after my last fiasco. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 1997 9:18 AM To: 'RDWOODJR'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: insurance rates Am I the only one with great insurance rates? $123 a year for basic coverage on a '88 Kaw 454 LTD. Must be 'cause I have an older, standard-style bike. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC HAPPY HOLIDAYS! >-----Original Message----- >From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 12:45 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: insurance rates ><< > ....now I now why one of the reasons why insurance rates are so high... > > -aki >> > >Try working at a motorcycle dealer and see low mileage sport bikes come in >severely wrecked almost daily during the busy season. As a commissioned parts >manager, I saw dollar figures in my eyes. As a rider, I winced, knowing of >the >final cost to us all in insurance rates. > >Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 10:42:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17944; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00113; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04265; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA07260 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:42:45 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xmaa07212; Thu, 18 Dec 97 10:42:28 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA18637; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882458617; Thu, 18 Dec 97 10:39:37 -0500 Message-Id: <9712188824.AA882458617@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 10:22:07 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Cc: Subject: Re[2]: Water Cooled engine - thoughts. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comments below. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Symptoms: 1. Bike having hard time running - like bad gas 2. Water leak observed - somewhere around engine 3. Low water level in coolant system. 4. Reservoir not being tapped by system. Indications: 1. When coolant is low, engine running hotter than normal. 2. When coolant is low, engine is running ok - smoother. 3. Reservoir not being tapped even though coolant is low. It looks to me like you've got two problems, one minor and one maybe not so minor. Pull your thermostat and test it. Check the reservoir line for blockage. W/o seeing an explosion of your motor, I'm only speculating about your not so minor problem. Is the "water wetter" additive your using appropriate for aluminum motors? I can't think why it would corrode the metal. Are there coolant journals in the head close to the cylinder? Could there be a leaky point in your gasket at the head? One way or another, it sounds like you're getting water in your cylinder(s). Todd If I rode more than 10 miles a day during the week (5 to work at 7am, in 20 degree weather, 5 home in 40~50) - I might think that boiling off the water might be a problem. But the water doesn't get that hot even in the summer, and the temp gauge acts normal (doesn't heat) when there is water in the coolant system. There is one main line going into each cylinder, and I believe that is where I noticed a leak coming from (front right cylinder). It's not always evident (the leak) - but with a full radiator, the bike does defiantly run rough. I'll get out the dishsoap tonight and see if I can find any pressure leaks in the system (air compressor use #31). Maybe that will give me a better indication. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 10:43:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17956; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00127; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:43:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04279; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id Y0SMFRQZ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:50:17 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:44:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0BA1.EEFADCA0.anita@dlt.com> From: Anita Lauro Reply-To: "2xracers@XXXXXX" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: insurance rates Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:44:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thursday, December 18, 1997 9:18 AM, Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] wrote: > Am I the only one with great insurance rates? $123 a year for basic > coverage on a '88 Kaw 454 LTD. Must be 'cause I have an older, > standard-style bike. > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > HAPPY HOLIDAYS! > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 12:45 PM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: insurance rates > ><< > > ....now I now why one of the reasons why insurance rates are so high... > > > > -aki >> > > I paid about $175/year for full coverage on my XT350, and I think the Nighthawk will be about $250/year (full coverage). That's with Progressive... I haven't shopped around much but State Farm was charging me about $250 for the XT, and Allstate quoted me somthing ridiculous like $300+. Motorcycle coverage is so much more reasonable than cars (with good reason, I know)... it seems like it took forever for the insurance on my '94 Explorer to become "reasonable"... currently $540/year. That's with a 33 year old driver (me!), no tickets, no accidents. It does pay to shop around, though. Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 10:48:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18079; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00267; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04447; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IRBED4DUQO8ZLJLV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:46:00 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:45:42 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:45:42 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:46:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: insurance rates To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:46:19 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1562IDW2BL70 X400-MTS-identifier: [;24540181217991/2199408@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Another data point. I pay about $100 each a year for my 3 bikes. >Older standard/cruisers. It's the minimum coverage, no collison >insurance on the bikes themselves. > >Of couse, being 28, married, two kids, and a good driving record >with no tickets might have something to do with it. :-) Oh gosh, >I just realized it, they think I'm a responsible adult. AAUUGHGH! Actually, being 28, married, and having two kids they fully expect that you'll go postal. Therefore, they hedge their bets and give you good insurance pricing to help insure that you won't go postal on them. Kirk 28, married, two kids, but a not good driving record 88 Hawk GT, $250/year to insure From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 10:51:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18122; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00342; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04522; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id Y0SMFRR1; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:58:23 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:52:42 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0BA3.109DE540.anita@dlt.com> From: Anita Lauro Reply-To: "2xracers@XXXXXX" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Motorcycles & the internet Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:52:41 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to say that motorcycles and the internet seem to go hand in hand! I purchased my Nighthawk 750 as a result of the Classifieds2000 web page... they have a nifty feature where you can specifiy what you are looking for, and it will send you an email any time an ad is posted that met my criteria. One morning I got an email about a 1995 Nighthawk in Baltimore, MD... two weeks later it was mine! And yesterday I sold my XT350 to someone on this list... no muss, no fuss. More importantly, no running an ad in the Washington Post and getting calls from a bunch of wackos. Gotta love that. Internet commerce is great! :) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 10:55:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18205; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00404; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04655; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:55:35 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256571.005761E7 ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:54:26 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256571.0056EFB3.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:54:26 -0500 Subject: Re: insurance rates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=lYwoq6bNO492719yfBxiSED8iJ2D68Jwjq5rafH4wwfjCLPCjKfbmtV7" --0__=lYwoq6bNO492719yfBxiSED8iJ2D68Jwjq5rafH4wwfjCLPCjKfbmtV7 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn, all this talk about insurance has opened my eyes to the fact that I'm getting shafted. I paid $480 in M/C insurance this year on a bike that I'm registered to be riding over 50% of the time, but my car policy also says over 50%...well, I did start the bike policy when I was 24...the bike is an '81 Suzuki GS 750L...nothing special, and more like Hork's 1000LTD or the Kaw 454 someone mentioned than a TL1000R. Seems like its time to call USAA...but I was wondering - has anyone out there ever had to place a claim with them? How did they handle it? A cheap insurance compant is great, but if they don't deliver when the time comes, you got what you paid for...I'd switch to USAA, but I want to hear some opinions first. 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Real cheap: go to the junkyard, get a couple of horns off an old buick or something, and a relay at the parts store. Plenty loud, big and ugly. Less cheap: Fiamm electrics from the parts store or cycle shop. Best to hit the cycle shop or maybe a foreign car parts place. Trak Auto doesn't have Fiamms. ~$35 plenty loud, reasonable size. Least cheap: get Hellas from Griots Garage or Rockville Speed and Custom, or the foreign car place. ~$70, loud as hell, but a bit big and possibly hard to find a place to put. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 11:09:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18603; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00743; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05174; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA29836; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA00008; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971218160859.RCLW215@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:08:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:04 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Horns, again X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971218160859.RCLW215@[166.41.242.141]> Kevin Thomas can set you straight on the Helas(sp). There is a little attenuation screw on the back of your oem horn, that if you loosen it and dust it off a little, should restore the sound. But considering the severity of the dead weight that woman was carrying on her shoulders, the aftermarket might be more effective. Kirk Roy wrote: >When the recent horn discussion was going on I was completely unconcerned, >since I didn't have any use for the information at the time. After an >incident yesterday, however, I have found that my horn has died. (It makes >something like a weak "plnrfffaaa" sound now. My alternate horns, including >my boot and my exhaust noise didn't get the attention of the BDC any better >than the "plnrfffaaa" sound did. I don't think the boot worked because of >the excessively short legs that my family procured for me. The exhaust >noise didn't work because the woman was, in fact, brain dead). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 11:14:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18713; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00972; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05386; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id ABBF19039E; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:13:51 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971218105634.009588e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:56:34 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Horns, again In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:23 AM 12/18/97 -0500, Kirk Roy wrote: >So, if anyone has any cheap horn advice for me or if you saved the horn >messages please let me know. Kevin likes Hella horns, at about $80. I bought Trak Auto "Freeway Blasters" (which are Fiamms) for $30. You'd probably be satisfied with either. It's a good idea to use a horn relay when you wire them up. the smaller the vehicle, the louder the horn, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 11:17:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18892; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01246; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:17:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05559; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA23625 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA20964 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:17:14 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D59@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: insurance rates Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:17:01 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain First and foremost ... USAA is an insurance agency that specifically serves military personnel, and their dependents. If you don't have that connection, I don't think they will insure you. Second, their claims are excellent. I have made two claims with them, both in cages. One that was to repair a windshield smashed by a large rock, and the second when another driver rear-ended my SO in my car. In the second claim, USAA paid me up front to fix the car before settling with the other ins. company, and I never had to do anything but get a quote from a USAA certified claims agent, deposit the check and fix the car. Really great customer service. They also cover me on any vehicle I drive -- mine, friends, rentals, test drives, whatever. 24hr claims and 12 hr customer service everyday. They also have a savings bank with low interest rates, buying services, life insurance and homeowner's/renter's insurance. Don't get me wrong, I don't care for insurance companies anymore than the next guy, but USAA is, IMNSHO, the best out there. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: > Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX[SMTP:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > ] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 1997 10:54 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: insurance rates > > <><> > Damn, all this talk about insurance has opened my eyes to the fact > that I'm > getting shafted. I paid $480 in M/C insurance this year on a bike > that I'm > registered to be riding over 50% of the time, but my car policy also > says > over 50%...well, I did start the bike policy when I was 24...the bike > is an > '81 Suzuki GS 750L...nothing special, and more like Hork's 1000LTD or > the > Kaw 454 someone mentioned than a TL1000R. > > Seems like its time to call USAA...but I was wondering - has anyone > out > there ever had to place a claim with them? How did they handle it? A > cheap insurance compant is great, but if they don't deliver when the > time > comes, you got what you paid for...I'd switch to USAA, but I want to > hear > some opinions first. I'm damn sick of Allstate, eventhough the reps > at > this particular office are great. > > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 11:24:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19048; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02111; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05743; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA26666; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:24:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA05086; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:23:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971218162359.RECW215@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:23:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:07 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: insurance rates X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971218162359.RECW215@[166.41.242.141]> More. I need details. Phone numbers. Agents. Is USAA like the old restrictive GEICO? Todd Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D58@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Viteri, Ursulina'" Subject: RE: insurance rates Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:23:49 -0800 There are lots of factors in Ins. rates, one of which is style of bike. I pay about $140.00 every six months for my 1994 RF900 garaged in the City of Alexandria. That is $280.00 per year for FULL coverage with NO deductible. *Very* good rates considering that I am a 28 yr old unmarried male. Also, since the carrier is USAA, they always rebate a portion of the premiums you pay, as an Insurance dividend. It is based on what your rate/valuation is, combined with how well USAA's investment of the funds were and the amount of global loss the association had to pay out. This year was the highest rebate USAA ever had. I received a check for $288.00 yesterday (I have cars on the policy as well), so I basically got the amount I paid to insure the bike back. Can't complain about free bike insurance, (although I would have rather not laid out the $ to begin with) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 1997 9:17 AM > To: 'RDWOODJR'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: insurance rates > > Am I the only one with great insurance rates? $123 a year for basic > coverage on a '88 Kaw 454 LTD. Must be 'cause I have an older, > standard-style bike. > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > HAPPY HOLIDAYS! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 11:25:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19071; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02220; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:25:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05760; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:25:16 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <450cecb1.34994e41@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:24:30 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: scooter for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Hi all, This scooter isn't mine, and I've never seen it. I was just asked if I would post it to the list. So here it is..... For Sale: Honda Aero 125 scooter. Great condition, low miles, good basic transportation. $300. Call 301/654-2460. -Colleen http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 11:33:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19326; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02946; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05964; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:32:57 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <10c8f562.34994eda@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:27:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance rates, but wait! there's more. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Am I the only one with great insurance rates? $123 a year for basic coverage on a '88 Kaw 454 LTD. Must be 'cause I have an older, standard-style bike. Ursulina Viteri >> I have basic on the 94 750 Magna; $176/year. It was $118 two years ago. The insurance company said that even though I haven't moved, motorcycle rates are up in the area where I live (gimme a break, Southern Maryland farmland for 20 miles in all directions), Prince Georges county. How? Because so many motorcycles are crashing into other people's property? Har. But if you are under 25 years of age, and need full-coverage on a sport-bike, you will pay. I have seen as much as $3500/year for an 18 year old on a FZR600. BTW guys, with the great weather we're having, and since I am not currently punching a time clock, the Magna's getting a lot of riding in. Haha. OBTW, Dale, do you know a Dale Diffenbaugh that lives in Dale City on another street with a "Dale" name? He was my assistant manager at Cycles Woodbridge. Must be hilly over there. Also, I choose not to get into the old vs new bike tort so far. I could write a novel and bore the heck out of the group. However, (cripes, here it comes), I do remember riding the '75 Z1B around with a extra set of spark plugs and a flexstone file in my wallet. Back then, while riding the quickest motorcycle in production, every other m/c was fair game for humiliation on public streets. When a serious challenge would come from a hopped-up Sportster or CB750 with a 832cc kit, the fresh plugs went in and the points where filed and adjusted (yes, on the side of the road). Bad boyz, bad boyz. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 11:47:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19641; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04131; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06411; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:47:28 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <5dd01c1a.34995179@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:38:15 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance rates Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Also, since the carrier is USAA, they always rebate a portion of the premiums you pay, as an Insurance dividend. It is based on what your rate/valuation is, combined with how well USAA's investment of the funds were and the amount of global loss the association had to pay out. This year was the highest rebate USAA ever had. I received a check for $288.00 yesterday (I have cars on the policy as well), so I basically got the amount I paid to insure the bike back. >> I received a check for $262 from USAA. 25% rebate. Cool. Last month, we put the 16 year old on the policy. Now we'll get back even more. Yahoo! Yeah, but our insurance tripled. A mixed blessing. But that check just before Christams each year... Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 11:52:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19747; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:52:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04305; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06615; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:51:55 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:50:15 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance rates Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Seems like its time to call USAA...but I was wondering - has anyone out there ever had to place a claim with them? How did they handle it? A cheap insurance compant is great, but if they don't deliver when the time comes, you got what you paid for...I'd switch to USAA, but I want to hear some opinions first. I'm damn sick of Allstate, eventhough the reps at this particular office are great. >> USAA is GREAT! Fast service, fast checks sent out. I know this first-hand thanks to the wife and daughter and the five accidents in the past 4 years. :[ Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 12:07:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20183; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04633; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07272; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:07:05 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA29447 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:07:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199712181707.AA29447@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:07:02 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:07:02 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:07:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:03:39 -0500 Subject: Re: insurance rates, but wait! there's more. To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <10c8f562.34994eda@aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME > << Am I the only one with great insurance rates? $123 a year for basic > coverage on a '88 Kaw 454 LTD. Must be 'cause I have an older, > standard-style bike. > > Ursulina Viteri >> > > I have basic on the 94 750 Magna; $176/year. It was $118 two years ago. The > insurance company said that even though I haven't moved, motorcycle rates are > up in the area where I live (gimme a break, Southern Maryland farmland for 20 > miles in all directions), Prince Georges county. How? Because so many > motorcycles are crashing into other people's property? Har. > But if you are under 25 years of age, and need full-coverage on a sport-bike, > you will pay. I have seen as much as $3500/year for an 18 year old on a > FZR600. > ...I'll have to double check what my rates are with Progressive for my 85 Magna, but I'm only carrying liability...Allstate was $300+ a year for full coverage so I dropped them ( and fortunately, I have a spotless record)... On a side note, I remember a few years ago, a teenager came into DMV to return his plates...he had just bought a new crotch rocket (don't remember the model but I distinctly remember Ninja but not sure)...he said he could afford the monthly payments on the bike, but he couldn't afford the insurance payments (he said he had to pay monthly)..he admitted his driving record wasn't stellar, however I nearly fell out of my chair when he said he was paying ONE THOUSAND A MONTH for full coverage!!! EEEEYYYYAAAAHHH!! Can we can ten speed bike? I knew you could.. ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 12:13:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20324; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04675; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07452; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from earthlink.net (ip49.herndon21.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.111.49]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07871 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:13:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <349959FD.5EDC1C1D@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:14:37 -0500 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Braking and cornering Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: >. . . >Brian jokingly commented to me once, "don't you ever use your brakes?". >My reply to that points back to Nick Ienatch's article entitled The >Pace. . . I have been practicing approaching corners with the proper >line and entry speed without using my brakes. What I've gained from >this is that I can now ride through turns much quicker than I have >done in the past. Todd: I agree that planning, smoothness, and good technique are crucial to a good line through corners, however I don't think "no-brake" cornering is the fastest method. I seem to recall seeing racers use their brakes occasionally when approaching corners (like to the point of lifting the back wheel off the ground) and they seem to get through the corners pretty quick. Also, what about using some rear brake to settle the suspension while the bike is leaned over in corners? . . . Putting on my nomex . . . Randy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 12:14:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20329; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04681; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07455; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:13:53 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <14b40920.3499573a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:02:48 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycles & the internet Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << And yesterday I sold my XT350 to someone on this list... no muss, no fuss. More importantly, no running an ad in the Washington Post and getting calls from a bunch of wackos. Gotta love that. Internet commerce is great! :) Anita >> And How! When I had a couple of rental properties, getting calls at 2am from prospective renters was a drag. What do you think their chances of renting from me was. Conversely, putting ads on the www for $2000 worth of new Harley accessories mostly netted me inquiries from foreign countries, and I didn't want to fool with exchange rates. Let's not start on the connection between HD'ers and technology. My next project will probably be a Big Twin. 100hp and handles. Then the hunt for rocketeers to street-race begins. :] RDW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 12:27:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20746; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04765; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07730; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dclink.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23792; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:26:41 -0500 (EST) X-ROUTED: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:17:32 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser Received: from 24-charlie [207.168.31.16] by dclink.com with smtp id AMBBAMEB ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:17:12 -0500 From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Subject: Insurance Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:24:56 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.12175.10997@207.168.31.16 Can I please get the number for USAA insurance company or lead me in the right direction I need to get cheaper insurance. CK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 13:07:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21690; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05233; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08857; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A9A512A100F0; Thu Dec 18 12:13:09 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:03:55 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0BB5.652BD740.jywon@imisys.com> From: Justin Won Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Braking and cornering Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:03:53 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've read Ianetche's "The Pace" article, and have found it to be extremely helpful. Not only has it improved my entry into turns, but also made me a much more deliberate and safer rider. I don't think Todd's point was to say that it's faster than braking into corners (duh), just that when you're out on the road you don't need to attack turns like Mick Doohan at Catalogne to get through them quickly and smoothly. Smooth transitions of speed and direction are the order of the day whenever I go out for a group ride with my buddies, and we've all read and apply Nick I's principles. I think it's a must read for anyone who does group riding. Justin On Thursday, December 18, 1997 12:15 PM, R. K. Dow [SMTP:r_k_dow@XXXXXX] wrote: > I seem to recall seeing racers use their brakes occasionally when > approaching corners (like to the point of lifting the back wheel off the > ground) and they seem to get through the corners pretty quick. Also, > what about using some rear brake to settle the suspension while the bike > is leaned over in corners? > > . . . Putting on my nomex . . . > > Randy > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 13:45:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22407; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:45:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06511; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09998; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:39:11 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:43:57 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline You're telling the truth, Kevin. I was paying $1200 a year for full coverage with Progressive for the first year I owned my '95 F3. The next year Progressive wanted $2100, because of a general rate hike for the "high performance" category. I jumped to Allstate in a hurry. And those prices were for a 600cc sportbike. I shudder to think of the prices paid by owners of new large sportbikes, say YZF750s and TL1000s. Right, Howard and Jack? :) Always looking for the next ex-insurance company, Sean >>>>>>>>> Conversely, even an adult rider on a new CBR600 will find his/her monthly insurance payment roughly equal to the monthly bike payment. Right, Linda and Sean? see ya Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 13:56:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22647; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06665; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10290; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.193]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA9480; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:54:47 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Subject: Re: Ordered Tires... Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:51:56 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971218185445.AAA9480@default> J-- When I have new tires, I weave back and forth gently, just a little at first to scuff a bit of tire, then weave a bit harder, scuffing a bit more, repeating this process until i go all the way to the edge of the tire. Then a few on-ramps, gently at first, then a little harder, and a little harder again until I get as far over as I feel comfortable. The way I see it, the problem is when a rider hits a big band of unscuffed tire all at once, has a big slide and goes down. I have no scientific evidence to back this up. I am, however, still alive, and have never wrecked on new tires. BTW, riding home from the shop in the rain on brand new tires scares the s--t out of me. To be avoided. see ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 13:57:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22669; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06692; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10341; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA28252 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:57:02 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma028245; Thu, 18 Dec 97 13:56:59 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA23595; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882471032; Thu, 18 Dec 97 13:53:56 -0500 Message-Id: <9712188824.AA882471032@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 13:48:53 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: Braking and cornering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You see the racers lifting the rear to set their entry speed. It's neither sane nor safe to travel at the speeds racers do while they are on the track (unless you yourself are on the same track). So, we set our entry speed long before we get to the corner, and then just slide through. If done properly, you'll never see a brake light and everyone will be zipping right along. You'll notice that collin seems to use his brakes to stop for lights, signs and the occasional buxom blonde. Then again, maybe he has us all fooled and has the front brake lever disconnected from the lights. If you've not read the article 'the Pace' - I suggest you take a look at it. It's interesting if nothing else.. and will waste no more than 30 minutes of your life. Who knows, maybe it'll add some light/insight to riding... Found somewhere on the net.. and hanging from my wall at home. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ I agree that planning, smoothness, and good technique are crucial to a good line through corners, however I don't think "no-brake" cornering is the fastest method. I seem to recall seeing racers use their brakes occasionally when approaching corners (like to the point of lifting the back wheel off the ground) and they seem to get through the corners pretty quick. Also, what about using some rear brake to settle the suspension while the bike is leaned over in corners? . . . Putting on my nomex . . . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 14:06:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22842; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06832; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10629; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:09:34 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "Adams, Bill" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bmccoy@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Water Cooled engine - thoughts. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:07:37 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Brian, I actually have a Thermostat from mine that you can have. I replaced mine thinking it was bad and it wasn't. Pick it up next time your by. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I'd strongly suspect your thermostat. Unfortunately, the only way to > test > it is to pull it. If you go that far, you might as well install a new > one. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 14:13:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22998; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06909; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10806; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA04482; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:14:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:14:45 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, r_k_dow@XXXXXX Subject: The Pace [was: Re: Braking and cornering] In-Reply-To: <9712188824.AA882471032@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For anyone who'se interested in reading it -- The Pace article appeared in the November 1991 issue of _Motorcyclist_ magazine. I found an instance of it at: http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~norton/moto/pace1.html Cheers, Pete. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 14:19:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23213; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07018; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11005; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:22:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX, Todd Peer Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Old vs. New ... Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:20:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) OK, I got jump in on this too. > serviceability I can understand and would welcome.HORKSTER'S TOP 10 > LIST OF > USELESS NEW BIKE TECHNOLOGY > > 1. Liquid Cooling - one more component to break down, gotta flush it > every > year > Not if you use long life antifreeze. Bump it up to about 3 to 4 years. Also, lets see who overheats first in that traffic backup or on hard runs on 90+ days. > 2. Electric start without a kickstart backup system. - batteries do > die, you > know. > Push start the bike. My bike doesn't run worth a shit with a dead battery anyhow. It would be nice if street bikes had a magneto (sp?) so when your 100 miles from home you could still get home. > 3. Liquid Crystal Display guages - cheap, fog prone, don't display in > cold > weather > Agreed, I'll take analog gauges any day. > 4. Electronic Fuel Injection - what's the point? > More reliable, more efficient. I think we've seen this on cars. It needs to evolve on bikes. > 5. Air Adjustable shocks - more containers on the bike that don't > hold air > Agreed. > 6. Hydraulic Clutches - no feel, can't adjust, another master > cyclinder on > the handlebar. > Why adjust? No cable to stretch, rust or breakage. Just remember to change to change the fluid once a year and it will be trouble free. > 7. Anti Lock Brakes - let me stop the bike, please. > Nice thinking but again most people (like 95%) can't stop as fast as ABS or more important on a bike situation where you can lock up the wheel. I think this a great addition to a bike. > 8. Plastic Fairings - aerodynamic? not with cracks in them... > No opinion here. > 8. Fuel Guages - not typically accurate, from what I've heard. I do > better > with tripmeters. > I don't have a gauge but I do have an idiot light that comes on when reserve kicks in. It worked fine since 84. > 9. On-board computer chips - Don't these run off the battery? All > the time? > Same answer as Todd's > 10. This isn't new technology, but what's with the lack of 4-way > emergency > flashers on a lot of new bikes nowadays? My 78 Kawasaki had them, > they are a > useful, practical, inexpensive safety device. Why isn't this > standard > equipment like turn signals? > Good point. It doesn't seem like it would cost them much more to keep this on. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 14:22:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23250; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07059; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11122; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA21687 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA02981 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971218192135.RMET28757@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:21:35 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:21:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0BC0.3F74FDA0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Ordered Tires... Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:21:34 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had bought new tires Thanksgiving 96 at Fast Lanes Cycle. It was pretty cold that day. As I was leaving, the counter guy warned me for the second or third time to be careful. Of course, I said. I pulled out of their parking lot at a slight lean and gave it a tiny bit of throttle to get to speed and proceeded to do some very fancy sliding. Scared the shit outta me. I recovered without going down, but am not anxious to *ever* repeat that feat. I had no problems on the last set of tires I put on but maybe I was just careful and it was warm. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: kevin thomas [SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 1997 1:52 PM To: O'Brien, Jeannette; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ordered Tires... J-- When I have new tires, I weave back and forth gently, just a little at first to scuff a bit of tire, then weave a bit harder, scuffing a bit more, repeating this process until i go all the way to the edge of the tire. Then a few on-ramps, gently at first, then a little harder, and a little harder again until I get as far over as I feel comfortable. The way I see it, the problem is when a rider hits a big band of unscuffed tire all at once, has a big slide and goes down. I have no scientific evidence to back this up. I am, however, still alive, and have never wrecked on new tires. BTW, riding home from the shop in the rain on brand new tires scares the s--t out of me. To be avoided. see ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 14:24:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23320; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07093; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11242; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id AC02270134; Thu Dec 18 13:31:30 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:22:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0BC0.5C5D80E0.jywon@imisys.com> From: Justin Won Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'MARKSOMM'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: "The Pace" by Nick Ienatsch (was RE: FW: Braking and cornering) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:22:22 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone interested in this valuable reading, check out http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~norton/moto/pace1.html Justin On Thursday, December 18, 1997 13:25 PM, MARKSOMM [SMTP:MARKSOMM@XXXXXX] wrote: > In a message dated 97-12-18 13:17:26 EST, you write: > > > I've read Ianetche's "The Pace" article, and have found it to be extremely > > helpful. > > Where can I locate a copy of this article you recommend? > > Mark Sommerfield > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 14:25:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23360; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07102; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11281; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from earthlink.net (ip27.herndon21.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.111.27]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13706; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:24:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <349978BD.CCE7E3EF@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:25:50 -0500 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Braking and cornering References: <9712188824.AA882471032@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy wrote: > You see the racers lifting the rear to set their entry speed. It's neither sane > nor safe to travel at the speeds racers do while they are on the track (unless you > yourself are on the same track). I was not advocating race speeds on the road, just stating that race techniques apply. Note the first paragraph of my post (below). > So, we set our entry speed long before we get to the corner, and then just slide > through. If done properly, you'll never see a brake light and everyone will be > zipping right along. I agree that the "no-brake" approach is smooth and can be as fast as braking, but, corner for corner, braking to slow to the correct entry speed will always be faster. Brian, what technique do you plan to use when you start racing--even for slower corners? On the safety side, braking before or in corners or being ready to (e.g., one or two fingers on the front brake) helps in avoiding problems that you can't see before getting to the corner > If you've not read the article 'the Pace' - I suggest you take a look at it. It's > interesting if nothing else.. and will waste no more than 30 minutes of your > life. Who knows, maybe it'll add some > light/insight to riding... Thanks for that tip. Life is a learning process--I'm always ready to learn something new. That's why I have a sizable book/magazine/video library and approx. 50 internet articles on motorcycle riding techniques. Plus 30 years riding experience. > Found somewhere on the net.. and hanging from my wall at home. Do you have a URL? Thanks. Randy . . . Adding Kevlar oversuit to the nomex . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I agree that planning, smoothness, and good technique are crucial to a > good line through corners, however I don't think "no-brake" cornering is > the fastest method. > > I seem to recall seeing racers use their brakes occasionally when > approaching corners (like to the point of lifting the back wheel off the > ground) and they seem to get through the corners pretty quick. Also, what > about using some rear brake to settle the suspension while the bike is > leaned over in corners? > > . . . Putting on my nomex . . . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 14:46:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23783; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07410; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11794; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA03848 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:46:35 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma003813; Thu, 18 Dec 97 14:46:28 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id OAA24683; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:46:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882474214; Thu, 18 Dec 97 14:43:36 -0500 Message-Id: <9712188824.AA882474214@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 14:41:40 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re[2]: Braking and cornering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, I misunderstood. Yes, going from WFO on a straight, braking hard, then entering the corner (when done right) is the fastest way to ride. Problem is, we're not riding for speed on public highways (usually ) - and that's where my comment about going as fast as racers come in. I was just trying to cover some of the basics The Pace talks about - only I did a Very bad job of it (probably a good thing I'm not a journalist) And, yes, while riding I almost always cover my front brakes with 2 fingers - ready for the BDC or stray haybail to jump in my way. When I get to the race track, I will hopefully not have to use the brakes much (type of bike - RS125 is all corner speed, no acceleration), but I know going into T1 I will be on the brakes to slow from 120 to 80 before turning in. But then again, that's kind of different that street duty... Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > You see the racers lifting the rear to set their entry speed. It's neither sane > nor safe to travel at the speeds racers do while they are on the track (unless you > yourself are on the same track). I was not advocating race speeds on the road, just stating that race techniques apply. Note the first paragraph of my post (below). So, we set our entry speed long before we get to the corner, and then just slide > through. If done properly, you'll never see a brake light and everyone will be > zipping right along. I agree that the "no-brake" approach is smooth and can be as fast as braking, but, corner for corner, braking to slow to the correct entry speed will always be faster. Brian, what technique do you plan to use when you start racing--even for slower corners? On the safety side, braking before or in corners or being ready to (e.g., one or two fingers on the front brake) helps in avoiding problems that you can't see before getting to the corner > If you've not read the article 'the Pace' - I suggest you take a look at it. It's > interesting if nothing else.. and will waste no more than 30 minutes of your > life. Who knows, maybe it'll add some > light/insight to riding... Thanks for that tip. Life is a learning process--I'm always ready to learn something new. That's why I have a sizable book/magazine/video library and approx. 50 internet articles on motorcycle riding techniques. Plus 30 years riding experience. > Found somewhere on the net.. and hanging from my wall at home. Do you have a URL? Thanks. Randy . . . Adding Kevlar oversuit to the nomex . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I agree that planning, smoothness, and good technique are crucial to a > good line through corners, however I don't think "no-brake" cornering is > the fastest method. > > I seem to recall seeing racers use their brakes occasionally when > approaching corners (like to the point of lifting the back wheel off the > ground) and they seem to get through the corners pretty quick. Also, what > about using some rear brake to settle the suspension while the bike is > leaned over in corners? > > . . . Putting on my nomex . . . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 14:46:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23784; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07414; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11797; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA12512 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:46:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA00931 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971218194604.ROKA28757@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:46:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:41 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Subject: Re: Ordered Tires... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971218194604.ROKA28757@[166.41.242.141]> Kevin Thomas Wrote: >When I have new tires, I weave back and forth gently, just a little at >first to scuff a bit of tire, then weave a bit harder, scuffing a bit more, >repeating this process until i go all the way to the edge of the tire. >Then a few on-ramps, gently at first, then a little harder, and a little >harder again until I get as far over as I feel comfortable. Excellent advice. Getting the scrubbing done early allows for less worrisome riding. >The way I see >it, the problem is when a rider hits a big band of unscuffed tire all at >once, has a big slide and goes down. I have no scientific evidence to back >this up. I am, however, still alive, and have never wrecked on new tires. >BTW, riding home from the shop in the rain on brand new tires scares the >s--t out of me. To be avoided. Back when I used to work at the old Fairfax Kawasaki (RDW Mode on )...it was a big sale day (yeah, I was a shiftless salesman. but I didn't do very well 'cause I was always bench-racing instead of selling), and we had the place pretty well dressed up (balloons and all that crap). One of my business managers old customers had come in and wanted to test ride the "all new" ZX10. We were such a small shop that we didn't ever (as far as I know) allow test rides. Well the bm talked the Sales Manager into it so they suited up and got ready to go. I was with a customer and his kid discussing a new Vulcan when the bm and his customer went by us up to the drive entrance on Rte 50. The bm on his GS1100E takes off and the ZX10 customer attempts to follow suit. Goosed the throttle too hard and the rear wheel spun under and out from the bike...SMASHO! On the ground in the middle of Rte 50, and I'm screaming, "NOOooo"! I think I scared my customers kid. Did he buy the bike? Yes, after $1,700 in repair. This guy is the son of the attache' to Qatar, and he had all the Ninjas. Guess he didn't ride'em enough to need to change tires, or he woulda' knew. Last demo ride FFax Kaw ever gave as far as I know. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 15:06:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24297; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07762; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12591; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA07064; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:04:25 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCDD4@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, r_k_dow@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re[2]: Braking and cornering Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:02:39 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Now, Brian, we all know that when following Collin, you all ride for speed!! ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 1997 2:42 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; r_k_dow@XXXXXX > Subject: Re[2]: Braking and cornering > > > Sorry, I misunderstood. Yes, going from WFO on a straight, > braking > hard, then entering the corner (when done right) is the fastest > way to > ride. Problem is, we're not riding for speed on public highways > (usually ) - and that's where my comment about going as fast > as > racers come in. I was just trying to cover some of the basics > The > Pace talks about - only I did a Very bad job of it (probably a > good > thing I'm not a journalist) > > And, yes, while riding I almost always cover my front brakes with > 2 > fingers - ready for the BDC or stray haybail to jump in my way. > > When I get to the race track, I will hopefully not have to use > the > brakes much (type of bike - RS125 is all corner speed, no > acceleration), but I know going into T1 I will be on the brakes > to > slow from 120 to 80 before turning in. But then again, that's > kind of > different that street duty... > > Brian > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > > > > You see the racers lifting the rear to set their entry speed. It's > neither > sane > > nor safe to travel at the speeds racers do while they are on the > track (unless > you > > yourself are on the same track). > > I was not advocating race speeds on the road, just stating that race > techniques > apply. Note the first paragraph of my post (below). > > So, we set our entry speed long before we get to the corner, and then > just > slide > > through. If done properly, you'll never see a brake light and > everyone will > be > > zipping right along. > > I agree that the "no-brake" approach is smooth and can be as fast as > braking, > but, > corner for corner, braking to slow to the correct entry speed will > always be > faster. > Brian, what technique do you plan to use when you start racing--even > for slower > corners? > > On the safety side, braking before or in corners or being ready to > (e.g., one or > two > fingers on the front brake) helps in avoiding problems that you can't > see before > getting to the corner > > > If you've not read the article 'the Pace' - I suggest you take a > look at it. > It's > > interesting if nothing else.. and will waste no more than 30 minutes > of your > > life. Who knows, maybe it'll add some > > light/insight to riding... > > Thanks for that tip. Life is a learning process--I'm always ready to > learn > something > new. That's why I have a sizable book/magazine/video library and > approx. 50 > internet > articles on motorcycle riding techniques. Plus 30 years riding > experience. > > > Found somewhere on the net.. and hanging from my wall at home. > > Do you have a URL? > > Thanks. > > Randy > > . . . Adding Kevlar oversuit to the nomex . . . > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > I agree that planning, smoothness, and good technique are crucial to > a > > good line through corners, however I don't think "no-brake" > cornering is > > the fastest method. > > > > I seem to recall seeing racers use their brakes occasionally when > > approaching corners (like to the point of lifting the back wheel off > the > > ground) and they seem to get through the corners pretty quick. Also, > what > > about using some rear brake to settle the suspension while the bike > is > > leaned over in corners? > > > > . . . Putting on my nomex . . . > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 15:14:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24525; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07798; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12815; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA07098 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:14:05 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma006974; Thu, 18 Dec 97 15:13:44 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id PAA25536; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882475849; Thu, 18 Dec 97 15:10:52 -0500 Message-Id: <9712188824.AA882475849@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 15:07:51 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: was: Braking and cornering, now.. ???? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, gotta have something exciting.. at least when following you, there's something to take our minds off going fast.. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Now, Brian, we all know that when following Collin, you all ride for speed!! ; ) - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 15:17:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24591; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07829; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12903; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:17:16 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:14:52 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MY insurance....I know yall are dying to know.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Ive been waiting to dump it on yall......heres the profile to an insurance co.: age: 21 (ins thinks its 22) sex: M Unmarried (they think Im married) 1 child (actually they didnt ask) bike: 97 TL1000 record: few speeding (ins company never looked!!) To an insurance co. (Im with Progressive) Im a HIGH risk... what would yall guess my insurance is? $3000/year? $4000/year? Higher? Actually its $1800/year....not bad considering I was quoted 3 and 4 from some places. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 15:33:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24989; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07965; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13399; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05028; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:34:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:34:44 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: WantA ZX6 cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MY insurance....I know yall are dying to know.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm.... Of course if you ever try to collect on your policy, they *will* check, and find plenty of reasons to tell you to take a hike. I *never* lie to an insurance company... -ph On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, WantA ZX6 wrote: > Ive been waiting to dump it on yall......heres the profile to an insurance > co.: > > age: 21 (ins thinks its 22) > sex: M > Unmarried (they think Im married) > 1 child (actually they didnt ask) > bike: 97 TL1000 > record: few speeding (ins company never looked!!) > > To an insurance co. (Im with Progressive) Im a HIGH risk... > what would yall guess my insurance is? $3000/year? $4000/year? Higher? > > Actually its $1800/year....not bad considering I was quoted 3 and 4 from some > places. > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 15:52:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25409; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08563; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14046; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A09156013E; Thu Dec 18 14:59:13 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:50:06 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD0BCC.9C5B3960.jywon@imisys.com> From: Justin Won Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'Peter Hartzler'" , WantA ZX6 Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: MY insurance....I know yall are dying to know.... Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:50:00 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even though I typically hate insurance companies (especially since I worked for one), I don't receommend lying to them. Falsifying information on an application is a felony. Get caught, go to jail. IMHO, the risk ain't worth the $$$. Justin On Thursday, December 18, 1997 15:35 PM, Peter Hartzler [SMTP:ph@XXXXXX] wrote: > Hmm.... > > Of course if you ever try to collect on your policy, they *will* check, > and find plenty of reasons to tell you to take a hike. I *never* lie to > an insurance company... > > > -ph > > On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, WantA ZX6 wrote: > > > Ive been waiting to dump it on yall......heres the profile to an insurance > > co.: > > > > age: 21 (ins thinks its 22) > > sex: M > > Unmarried (they think Im married) > > 1 child (actually they didnt ask) > > bike: 97 TL1000 > > record: few speeding (ins company never looked!!) > > > > To an insurance co. (Im with Progressive) Im a HIGH risk... > > what would yall guess my insurance is? $3000/year? $4000/year? Higher? > > > > Actually its $1800/year....not bad considering I was quoted 3 and 4 from some > > places. > > > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 16:35:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26514; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09284; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15416; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA05633 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:35:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from michael.chem.gwu.edu ([128.164.160.155]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA07843 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:35:43 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971218162702.007a5a30@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:27:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael P. Tolocka" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Braking and cornering In-Reply-To: <9712188824.AA882474214@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > When I get to the race track, I will hopefully not have to use the > brakes much (type of bike - RS125 is all corner speed, no > acceleration), but I know going into T1 I will be on the brakes to > slow from 120 to 80 before turning in. But then again, that's kind of > different that street duty... Plus your RS shouldn't have ANY engine braking at all. _aloha_ Michael P. Tolocka Department of Chemistry The George Washington University AMA#608333 1990 CB-1 _Keep the Shiny Side Up_ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 16:58:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27114; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09669; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16214; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA23189 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA29662 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971218215806.SJGQ215@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:58:06 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:54 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Christmas Lights. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971218215806.SJGQ215@[166.41.242.141]> Ok! I've got a route planned out (jeez, does Todd ever do any work?). This all is WX permitting of course. I will let you know if I plan to cancel. I will only cancel if it is raining or snowing, or if the temperature is less than 28 degrees :-) Those of you going on the Saturday 'Day' ride, make it a full day and join us too!!!. Let's meet at the Mormon Temple in Kensington, MD. I've never been there, and I'm sure they will have traffic controllers which could cause some people to become lost. So, let's meet each other in person at/around the live nativity from between 5:30pm and 6pm. From there we can walk around a little or take off, so try not to be late. To get there: Exit 33 - North on Connecticut Ave. (outside 495) Right turn on Beach Dr. (Park Boundary) Stay on Beach Dr. to the Temple on StonyBrook DR. Everyone who is planning to go with us let us know! That way you won't get left behind. General route: From Mormon Temple, head to White House via Beach Dr/Rock Creek Pkwy. Park and walk around looking at the Tree(s) From White House, cross Mem. Bridge to 395s and backroads to Manassas to view home with megawattage lights. From house, thru old Town Manassas to 66 ----> home. I plan to have this ride completed by 8pm, so I hope we get a good turn out. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 17:18:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27646; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09822; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16863; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA12673; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:17:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA29801; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:16:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971218221659.IIAG6587@XXXXXX>; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:16:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3499A0D6.C75DB2D7@mci.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:16:54 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Old vs. New ... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I've been busy stirring things up, and Glenn Dysart responded to my List: > OK, I got jump in on this too. > > HORKSTER'S TOP 10 LIST OF USELESS NEW BIKE TECHNOLOGY > > > > 1. Liquid Cooling - one more component to break down, gotta flush it > > every > > year > > > Not if you use long life antifreeze. Bump it up to about 3 to 4 > years. Also, lets see who overheats first in that traffic backup or on > hard runs on 90+ days. I haven't overheated yet (knock on wood), and I've seen some warmtraffic. Let's ask Brian McCoy how he feels about radiators/liquid cooling right about now. Sorry Brian. > > 2. Electric start without a kickstart backup system. - batteries do > > die, you > > know. > > > Push start the bike. My bike doesn't run worth a shit with a > dead battery anyhow. Push starting is another option I've used. You admit that your bikeis too dependent on a healthy battery to even run right. Mine can be dead as a doornail (it was) and still run the bike with a kickstart. I prefer to have this flexibility. > > 3. Liquid Crystal Display guages - cheap, fog prone, don't display in > > cold > > weather > > > Agreed, I'll take analog gauges any day. I don't think anyone likes these things. Somebody tell H-D. > > 4. Electronic Fuel Injection - what's the point? > > > More reliable, more efficient. I think we've seen this on cars. > It needs to evolve on bikes. How much more fuel efficient? (I won't argue the emissions stuff). Anyone have an 1000 cc EFI bike out there? What kind of gas mileage do you get compared to my 37 mpg? That's with leaky carbs, btw. I know it's not a fair comparison, due to bikes/gearing differences, but lets get some ballpark big-bike numbers out here. > > 5. Air Adjustable shocks - more containers on the bike that don't > > hold air > > > Agreed. I had a bike once would eventually lose so much air out of the rear air-filled monoshock, it sometimes came close to falling off the sidestand. It rode nice, but I wasn't that sorry to see it go. > > 6. Hydraulic Clutches - no feel, can't adjust, another master > > cyclinder on > > the handlebar. > > > Why adjust? No cable to stretch, rust or breakage. Just > remember to change to change the fluid once a year and it will be > trouble free. I've heard that they get grabby, that it's hard to smoothly operatethese things. I'm going on hearsay, never had a bike with one. I actually snapped a cable on my clutch once, was able to do an emergency field repair with a pair of vice grips, shifted more or less smoothly the 5 miles I had to ride it home. I don't think I could fix a similar problem with a hydraulic clutch. (Tow Truck$$$) > > > > 7. Anti Lock Brakes - let me stop the bike, please. > > > Nice thinking but again most people (like 95%) can't stop as > fast as ABS or more important on a bike situation where you can lock up > the wheel. I think this a great addition to a bike. It's just that I've spent my whole life thinking that clamping down hard on thebrakes in emergencies is BAD BAD BAD! I sometimes use the rear brake to check traction on an unfamiliar surface. Can't really do that easily with ABS. Isn't there a whole ABS system that has the potential for failure? (I mean, the brakes work, but the ABS idiot light comes on) Happened to my cage. > > 8. Plastic Fairings - aerodynamic? not with cracks in them... > > > No opinion here. Actually, my biggest beef with sportbikes is all that bodyworkcovering up in general a really nice looking engine. Why cover it anyway? I helped a stranded ZX-10 on the roadside once. We had no idea how to get half that crap off there. The seat was held on by 4 or 6 allen bolts!?! No allen wrenches in my toolkit, sorry buddy, my seat comes off with a key. This is progress? > > 8. Fuel Guages - not typically accurate, from what I've heard. I do > > better with tripmeters. > > > I don't have a gauge but I do have an idiot light that comes on > when reserve kicks in. It worked fine since 84. > > > 9. On-board computer chips - Don't these run off the battery? All > > the time? > > > Same answer as Todd's > > > 10. This isn't new technology, but what's with the lack of 4-way > > emergency > > flashers on a lot of new bikes nowadays? My 78 Kawasaki had them, > > they are a > > useful, practical, inexpensive safety device. Why isn't this > > standard > > equipment like turn signals? > > > Good point. It doesn't seem like it would cost them much more > to keep this on. Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 18:06:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28301; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10264; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18032; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt1s102.erols.com [207.172.111.102]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00628; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:04:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3499AD42.4719341@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:09:55 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: insurance rates References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, I have great rates too! $205/year for beefed up full coverage on a 93 GSXR750!! (and I have 1 claim, and 1 ticket..although I doubt they know about the ticket..it was minor) Oh yeah, 25 and married (although getting married didn't do squat to the rate, and turning 25 only lowered it a few bucks/month) CT Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Am I the only one with great insurance rates? $123 a year for basic > coverage on a '88 Kaw 454 LTD. Must be 'cause I have an older, > standard-style bike. > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > HAPPY HOLIDAYS! > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 12:45 PM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: insurance rates > ><< > > ....now I now why one of the reasons why insurance rates are so high... > > > > -aki >> > > > >Try working at a motorcycle dealer and see low mileage sport bikes come in > >severely wrecked almost daily during the busy season. As a commissioned parts > >manager, I saw dollar figures in my eyes. As a rider, I winced, knowing of > >the > >final cost to us all in insurance rates. > > > >Richard Wood -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 18:09:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28403; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:09:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10288; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18152; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt1s102.erols.com [207.172.111.102]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03938; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:09:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3499AE65.3E5FA077@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:14:46 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance rates References: <85256571.0056EFB3.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug, One thing I will say about USAA: they are great when it comes to claims. very fast and not a lot of hassle. If the repair people find extra damage not discovered on initial estimate, 9 times out of 10 they cut the check no questions asked CT Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > Damn, all this talk about insurance has opened my eyes to the fact that I'm > getting shafted. I paid $480 in M/C insurance this year on a bike that I'm > registered to be riding over 50% of the time, but my car policy also says > over 50%...well, I did start the bike policy when I was 24...the bike is an > '81 Suzuki GS 750L...nothing special, and more like Hork's 1000LTD or the > Kaw 454 someone mentioned than a TL1000R. > > Seems like its time to call USAA...but I was wondering - has anyone out > there ever had to place a claim with them? How did they handle it? A > cheap insurance compant is great, but if they don't deliver when the time > comes, you got what you paid for...I'd switch to USAA, but I want to hear > some opinions first. I'm damn sick of Allstate, eventhough the reps at > this particular office are great. > > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > > > (Embedded > image moved Dale.Horstman @ mci.com at AMS-Internet > to file: 12/18/97 10:43 AM > PIC03535.PCX) > > > To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail > cc: ursulina.viteri @ attws.com at AMS-Internet@ccmail (bcc: Douglas > Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) > Subject: Re: insurance rates > > Another data point. I pay about $100 each a year for my 3 bikes. > Older standard/cruisers. It's the minimum coverage, no collison > insurance on the bikes themselves. > > Of couse, being 28, married, two kids, and a good driving record > with no tickets might have something to do with it. :-) Oh gosh, > I just realized it, they think I'm a responsible adult. AAUUGHGH! > > Time to go Postal or something! > > Horkster > > 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > 1987 Suzuki Savage 650 > > Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > > Am I the only one with great insurance rates? $123 a year for basic > > coverage on a '88 Kaw 454 LTD. Must be 'cause I have an older, > > standard-style bike. > > > > Ursulina Viteri > > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > HAPPY HOLIDAYS! > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 12:45 PM > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: insurance rates > > ><< > > > ....now I now why one of the reasons why insurance rates are so high... > > > > > > -aki >> > > > > > >Try working at a motorcycle dealer and see low mileage sport bikes come > in > >severely wrecked almost daily during the busy season. As a > commissioned parts > >manager, I saw dollar figures in my eyes. As a rider, > I winced, knowing of > > >the > > >final cost to us all in insurance rates. > > > > > >Richard Wood > > (See attached file: RFC822.TXT) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Name: PIC03535.PCX > PIC03535.PCX Type: Bitmap Image (application/x-unknown-content-type-Paint.Picture) > Encoding: x-uuencode > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) > ; Thu, 18 Dec 97 10:42:07 EST > Return-Path: > Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu > by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id KAA29367; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:28:05 -0500 (EST) > Received: from alpha.mcit.com > by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id KAA03934; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:28:02 -0500 (EST) > Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) > by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP > id KAA10882; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:26:59 -0500 (EST) > Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) > by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP > id KAA18441; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:26:58 -0500 (EST) > Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com > (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP > id <19971218152543.QPBW28757@XXXXXX>; > Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:25:43 -0600 > Message-ID: <34994073.17C5B2A4@XXXXXX> > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:25:40 -0500 > From: Dale Horstman > Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) > To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > CC: "Viteri, Ursulina" > Subject: Re: insurance rates > References: -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 18:14:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28485; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10352; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18276; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt1s102.erols.com [207.172.111.102]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06709 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:14:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3499AF9B.5E53DC47@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:19:55 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:[2] insurance rates References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D59@xcgva001.grumman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgot to mention a couple of things on USAA. 1) I think they've changed the policy on members and opened up access a little (what I heard...so take that for what it's worth...i don't know for sure) 2) The one and only year I went with them instead of State Farm (since 14y/o), i had an 87 hurricane 600 (inlate 93, early 94) and they wanted $800/year for basic liability and comprehensive.. they would not do collision at any price.. Also, sport bikes were farmed out to a general agency. When I got my 93 GSXR750 (also in 94) they wanted $2k+/yr for minimal coverage...again... no full coverage at any price. Someone told me that they have changed their outlook on sportbikes, but their rates aren't good enough for me to drop what I have now. Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 18:24:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28719; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10501; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18679; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt1s102.erols.com [207.172.111.102]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11752; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:24:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3499B1D6.37FC7C62@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:29:26 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Horns, again References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't had the pleasure of comparing kevin's Hellas to my Fiamms but I do know mine are as loud or louder than any Buick I've heard.. ( got to test em twice today) I got mine at Western Auto for $14.99!!! They come in a low note or a high note (both rated at 132db). They aren't that big and are easy to mount (even on a GSXR). The need for a relay depends on your electrical system (not necessary on mine...not to mention that to use one would require total rewire of the horn circuit do to the location of the switch in the circuit) CT Kirk Roy wrote: > When the recent horn discussion was going on I was completely unconcerned, > since I didn't have any use for the information at the time. After an > incident yesterday, however, I have found that my horn has died. (It makes > something like a weak "plnrfffaaa" sound now. My alternate horns, including > my boot and my exhaust noise didn't get the attention of the BDC any better > than the "plnrfffaaa" sound did. I don't think the boot worked because of > the excessively short legs that my family procured for me. The exhaust > noise didn't work because the woman was, in fact, brain dead). > > Unfortunately, I have been unable to get to the list archives (problem with > my system...). > > So, if anyone has any cheap horn advice for me or if you saved the horn > messages please let me know. > > Thanks, > > Kirk -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 18:39:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28885; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10574; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19005; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt1s102.erols.com [207.172.111.102]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18540; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:38:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3499B542.87C957B3@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:44:03 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, r_k_dow@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking and cornering References: <9712188824.AA882471032@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He he he.....When I'm just out for a "cruise", true, I rarely use the brakes...I just set a comfy speed and hold the bike at it, corners and all. However, Brian's post brings me to a question that I am soon to post to the race list and the GSXR list: Most of the time coming into the corners hard on the brakes, the bike kills speed excellent. However, on other occasions when I'm really hitting them hot, the front does it's job great, but I can't keep the rear from flying up in the air (I was told by a friend once that they saw the rear tire nearly a foot off the ground one time) or at minimum getting real squirly. Is their any technique to help keep some weight on the rear?? When it gets off the ground, I lose a good portion of stopping power (both rear brake and engine braking doing nothing when the tire is in the air). Granted, it's kinda neat doing a 100mph stoppie especially when small bumps and such make the front tire chirp.. Collin Brian McCoy wrote: > You see the racers lifting the rear to set their entry speed. It's > neither sane nor safe to travel at the speeds racers do while they are > on the track (unless you yourself are on the same track). So, we set > our entry speed long before we get to the corner, and then just slide > through. If done properly, you'll never see a brake light and > everyone will be zipping right along. You'll notice that collin seems > to use his brakes to stop for lights, signs and the occasional buxom > blonde. Then again, maybe he has us all fooled and has the front > brake lever disconnected from the lights. > > If you've not read the article 'the Pace' - I suggest you take a look > at it. It's interesting if nothing else.. and will waste no more than > 30 minutes of your life. Who knows, maybe it'll add some > light/insight to riding... > > Found somewhere on the net.. and hanging from my wall at home. > > Brian > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > > > I agree that planning, smoothness, and good technique are crucial to a > good line through corners, however I don't think "no-brake" cornering is > the fastest method. > > I seem to recall seeing racers use their brakes occasionally when > approaching corners (like to the point of lifting the back wheel off the > ground) and they seem to get through the corners pretty quick. Also, what > about using some rear brake to settle the suspension while the bike is > leaned over in corners? > > . . . Putting on my nomex . . . -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 19:17:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29299; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10779; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19609; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.76]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA3925; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:17:03 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Collin T. Fagan" , "Kirk Roy" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Horns, again Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:14:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971219001702.AAA3925@default> Collin-- I can't imagine you'd have to rewire anything to mount a relay. On all my bikes, I put the relay near the stock horn location. I plug the stock horn wire into it as appropriate, run a new wire from the battery to the relay, run wires to the horns, and that's it. Never done it on a Gixxer, and you're the engineer.... Later Kevin PS-- as for braking, keeping the rear on the ground is why the Honda Valkyrie holds MCN's record for the shortest stop. He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 19:38:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29590; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:38:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10866; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20059; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id TAA05979; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:39:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:39:14 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Horns Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Although it's probably a little late, here are my thoughts. The louder the better, to that end I have rigged airhorns on my current ride and previously had them on my '82 Maxim 550. I wired a relay in parallel to the stock horn circuit so that the original horns would still work. Then I wired the compressor straight to the batter (with an inline fuze) and then through the newly installed relay. It works rather well and I CAN be heard under almost all situations. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 20:48:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00511; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11169; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21139; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-219-234.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.234]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04133 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:45:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971218204759.0069d614@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:47:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Lights, Horns, Action! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Being noticed is the first step in staying alive. Here's what I did to my bike to make it stand out: 1. Headlight: 80/100W bulb to replace stock 55/60 You can barbecue on it. A single flash of the high beam at close range can toast a retina... my first response when I see backup lights in front of me or someone edging out into an intersection. With it, you appear as a rapidly moving fireball. 2. Turn signals (front and rear) converted to running lights with Run-n-lites 3. Brakelight linked with (incredibly annoying) flashing LED "Hyperlites" 4. Horn: Upgraded to (obnoxiously loud) twin Fiamms. 5. Saddlebags: On black bags, added black tape that reflects white (avoids that daytime "geek" look" while adding serious nighttime conspicuity). The caveat to all this is making sure your electrics can handle the added load, that you've installed required relays, etc. I learned that the hard way in college when I electrocuted my beloved GPZ 550. Riders often overlook some other simple safety issues, too: 1. Position yourself to be seen and be conspicuous yourself. All my riding gear is bright and/or highly reflective, helmet is white, etc. 2. Wear earplugs. Though this may sound strange (to non-users) you can actually hear distinct sounds better by filtering out background wind noise. Everyone I know who's ever tried them now never rides without them. Plus you avoid the short-term fatigue and cumulative long-term hearing loss associated with prolonged exposure to noise. (n.b., anyone tempted to disagree is respectfully asked to try some plugs before flaming). Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (http://www.missingkids.com) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 22:00:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01312; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12135; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22135; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:00:24 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <3001e5dd.3499df23@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:42:41 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: thermostats Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Brian, I actually have a Thermostat from mine that you can have. I replaced mine thinking it was bad and it wasn't. Pick it up next time your by. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I'd strongly suspect your thermostat. Unfortunately, the only way to > test > it is to pull it. If you go that far, you might as well install a new > one. >> Y'all, in my experience as a parts manager, Jap(anese) thermostats (outside of my Toyota pick-up in the past needing 3) in motorcycles are rarely a problem. And at the price, it bears inspection before replacement. More often, the fan switch (aka thermostatic switch) is the problem. Just like on my Polaris 425 atv, having an over-heating problem now. Not like on our USA mini-van, on it's 4th thermostat. Shade-tree wren-ching (the back too) (no garage, converted to day-care room, barn has no electricity). I hate working on cages. Rode again today. I need a throttle limiter. The Magna really "comes on the pipe" above 5,000rpm. Makes Croom Road an avti-social blast. Remember, Mr. Kirk Roy? Since my cop-riding-buddy sold his CBR1100XX, I avoid the highways. Too much temptation without representation. No get-of-jail-free card. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 22:10:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01394; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12405; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22285; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:09:54 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <27e22ee2.3499e262@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:56:32 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Scub it. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Kev sez; << When I have new tires, I weave back and forth gently, just a little at first to scuff a bit of tire, then weave a bit harder, scuffing a bit more, repeating this process until i go all the way to the edge of the tire. Then a few on-ramps, gently at first, then a little harder, and a little harder again until I get as far over as I feel comfortable. >> Spot on, mate. Proper form. RDW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 22:22:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01496; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:22:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12499; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22449; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA28074; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:22:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17896; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:22:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712190322.WAA17896@clark.net> Subject: Start time/location for Saturday Day ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:22:00 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ok, after getting some advice from Anita, and seeing that there is a night ride on Saturday that people may want to go to, I will offically say the following: Let's meet at Roy Rogers restaurant in Leesburg. It is on Route 7, by the K-Mart. It's on your right as you are heading West on Rt. 7. I will attempt to be there around 9 am. I'll try to leave my bike (Green Concours, black saddlebags) parked where it's easy to see from the street just in case anyone isn't sure of the location. If I say we leave at 9:30, we'll hopefully have everyone in and ready to go around 9:45. :-) Given that several of us have plans for after the ride (including some who will be going to the Mormon Temple for the light show) we can't stay around and wait very long. If you plan on going on the ride, please drop me an e-mail message so I'll have some idea of who will show up, and when everyone has arrived. I'm also working on making up copies of the ride sheet. I'll try to have enough for everyone. Thanks, and have a great ride whatever you decide to do. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 23:26:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02251; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12859; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23268; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt1s102.erols.com [207.172.111.102]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25568 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:25:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3499F892.2CDDF84@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:31:15 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Earplugs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anyone that hasn't seen it already, the current issue of Road Racing World (aka Ulrich Times) has an excellent article that discusses ear plugs and hearing loss. Like Mr. Greenspun mentioned, it allows you to hear regular sounds a lot better since your ears are no longer overloaded. A couple of points of interest from the article (ok, some of you will be saying, duh): 1.) Above 40mph, mechanical and exhaust noise are drowned out by the dominating wind noise 2.) At 70mph the wind noise in a full face helmet with shield down averages 90dba!!! OSHA recommended limits for 90dba are like 15 minutes per day!! Hmmm. How many of those rides we took this past summer maintained high speeds for long durations?? I just happened to have a set of 20db earplugs (on hand for salvage cases and shipyard visits) so I tried it out. (I used to be a non-believer who thought you wouldn't be able to hear traffic noise). I was quite surprised at how well I could hear things, yet the overall noise level was considerably lower. I'll be an earplug wearer from here on out... just have to make it habit (forgot them this morning...oops) Collin ps: If anyone really really wants to see the article, I can rip (ouch) it out of the mag and scan it...but I bet it would be a fairly high kb image...I may be able to ocr it, but the print may be too small... CT -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 23:38:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02364; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12965; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23430; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt1s102.erols.com [207.172.111.102]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29286; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:38:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3499FB82.F6835411@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:43:47 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: klthomas@XXXXXX CC: Kirk Roy , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Horns, again References: <19971219001702.AAA3925@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The reason it would be a pain on my bike is the location of the horn switch. It' in the negative loop of the circuit. For the relay to activate properly, it needs to be on the positive side of the circuit. I suppose I could trace the wires back to their origins and just flip flop the leads (assuming they head in the same general direction) but that would require too much effort. The other solution would be to rewire the switch completely, but that's even more work. I took a good look at the system specs (don't ask me to recall all of what I did...I've slept since then) and determined that the horn wasn't going to draw more power than any of the components will handle. For most modern bikes using the Fiamms on the stock wiring shouldn't be a problem (disclaimer: don't blame me if ya fry something...check out your own system first). The air horns I'm guessing would draw a lot more current and thus need a relay, but that depends on the compressor's hp rating (some setups may draw less than the electric horns; however they would take longer to rebuild an air charge). I'm also guessing that the Hellas might also draw a bit more... For those of you out there that have no idea what the heck a relay is (other than a track event), it is basically a two circuit switch. One circuit is high power. i.e. directly from the battery to the relay to horn to ground (this is because the horn generally requires a lot of power to activate). The other circuit is the triger. i.e. from a lower source of power, to the horn button, to the relay and ground. Collin ps: anyone wanna talk three phase power systems bwa ha ha ha....shoot me now.... kevin thomas wrote: > Collin-- > > I can't imagine you'd have to rewire anything to mount a relay. On all my > bikes, I put the relay near the stock horn location. I plug the stock horn > wire into it as appropriate, run a new wire from the battery to the relay, > run wires to the horns, and that's it. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 18 23:47:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02421; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13026; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23533; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt1s102.erols.com [207.172.111.102]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01961 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:47:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3499FDB5.C72612CB@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:53:09 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Love slaves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With all of Jeannette and Marcy's talk about making us her love slaves (no complaints here), I can't help but wonder why we have heard nothing from the boisterous Squeakers on the subject. What, she gets a little heated competition (or is that hot) and she quietly slinks off without a word??? With that said, I think I'm going to go ensure that all of the weapons are loaded up and ready to go...it's a toss up on who has more..her or me :) Hopefully she'll just come after me with her thigh high leather boots, a whip, and a studded coller!! Ruff Ruff Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 00:01:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02594; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13242; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23727; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:01:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.125] (unverified [207.226.128.125]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:06:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Horns, again Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 00:01:20 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Collin T. Fagan" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I got mine at Western Auto for $14.99!!! Were they packaged as Fiamms or as something else? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 00:01:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02595; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13248; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:01:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23732; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.125] (unverified [207.226.128.125]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:06:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: insurance rates Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 00:01:23 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "\"'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'\" " Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Am I the only one with great insurance rates? $123 a year for basic >coverage on a '88 Kaw 454 LTD. Must be 'cause I have an older, >standard-style bike. I don't consider my insurance too heinous. Full coverage (100/300 limits) on the Kawi Eliminator 600 for $350/yr and same coverage on the BMW for $400 a year. Sounds like a lot until you consider that the next cheapest alternatives I found were for more than twice those amounts. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 00:20:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03180; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13859; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24014; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.128] (unverified [207.226.128.128]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:24:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Earplugs Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 00:20:02 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Collin T. Fagan" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I bought a pair of earplugs a few weeks ago, and loved them, with one problem: they hurt my ears. Does that plastic (rubber?) break in, or should I just shop around for another pair? Are those yellow foam ones sufficient? I loved the fact that I could hear the engine while cruising along (makes a lot o' weird sounds;) and my hearing didn't take time to adjust to normal after getting off of the bike. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 01:23:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA03765; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA14208; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24791; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.237]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA3207; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:22:32 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "George Howell" , "Collin T. Fagan" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Earplugs Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:19:42 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971219062231.AAA3207@default> George-- Geez, an insurance thread and an earplug thread in the same week. Horns, too..... I like Hearos brand foam plugs, kinda beige, or MaxLeight, magenta and yellow. Both are shaped a bit like a cartoon bomb, and they don't hurt my ears the way the cylindrical or slightly tapered ones do. Get Hearos at Cycles USA or other cycle shops, MaxLeights at workplace safety suppliers, I think. I use some kinda plugs every day, and I wash them by leaving them in my pants pocket when I do laundry. later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 01:35:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA03833; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA14334; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24921; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA25852 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:34:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349A400E.69B2@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:36:14 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: D-Mode Responses - Thursday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Boy, what a huge mofo list today! It took me about 45 minutes to get through it all! (digest-mode here folks). A couple of things I'd like to mention - while the memory is sorta fresh, if not a bit clouded by the Rolling Rock keg that's still sitting outside (next to the wheel chocks Kevin Thomas still hasn't picked up yet ;) HORNS: Collin is right. Not every bike is going to need a relay. Judging from the traffic on the VF/VFR list, my ole' Interceptor seems to be _far more reliable_ electronically-speaking, than the newer VFRs. I have those Fiamms purchased from Trak Auto and they are VF cool ;) Maybe not as loud as Hellas, but what the hella -- for $15?..!! Get thee to a Trak Auto or Pep Boys promptly! OLD vs NEW TECHNOLOGY: Both Todd and Dale made great points. I enjoyed this thread a lot! As someone who never had anything newer than a 1970 Triumph T-150 (750cc Trident 3x) before last year (though the bike died on me in 1992) I appreciate where Dale is coming from. No battery? No problemo! Gotta love that kick start - and mine was so easy to start too! (Magneto was spelled correctly BTW ;). LED gauges? Total BS, nonsense. I do love my hydraulic clutch though even if I still remember doing the pliers/cable shifting gag once too!! Thanks for the (bad) memories ;^D INSURANCE: I pay $108 per annum. Dairyland in the cheez-hed state is what I have. Although that might go up if I'm forced to 'fess up about recent activities. Oh well... PARKING LOTS: Jack, you follow too closely to cages on the highway (I was behind you for a long while on 66 on Sunday) - I shudder to think about what you do in lots. No slam intended guy, but we do create our own karma... Please be more careful. I don't give a FF what the woman did - you really should have been more aware... Cars do kill. 'Nuff said! RIDING WITH COLLIN: (To Kevin) : Yeah, I've ridden with Collin, even before we met each other at CAMS or here on DC-Cycles, or at Summit Point etc... I have followed Collin, but I do have a hard time believing even he would do 140 in a posted 35 even if the rest of you guys were doing 75. (Not to take away from the man's skills mind you...) OK, that's it. Hope to see a handful of y'all on Saturday (partly coudy - 55 degrees. Ciao, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 06:57:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA06590; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA17453; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA27887; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:59:49 -0500 Message-ID: <41E68B88D076D11180390000F805F2E602E10C@DADC022> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: George Howell , "Collin T. Fagan" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Earplugs Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:59:35 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) I got my foam earplugs at Home Depot. They are over by the chainsaws. I think a package of 6 are $1.95. I think they reduced noise by 28 dB. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I bought a pair of earplugs a few weeks ago, and loved them, with one > problem: they hurt my ears. Does that plastic (rubber?) break in, or > should I just shop around for another pair? Are those yellow foam ones > > sufficient? I loved the fact that I could hear the engine while > cruising > along (makes a lot o' weird sounds;) and my hearing didn't take time > to > adjust to normal after getting off of the bike. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 07:11:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06730; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17525; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:11:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28029; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt1s102.erols.com [207.172.111.102]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07735; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:10:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349A6598.DD75E4F@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:16:25 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Earplugs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, The little yellow foamies are actually pretty good earplugs. I've always found them quite comfy since they conform to your shape, not some pre-formed shape. That said, the ones I'm using are the soft rubber ones (size medium..orange) and they work pretty well and are nearly as comfy. I use these cause I had em from work and they weren't getting a lot of use at my current assignment (other than when the office mate is annoying me :) Collin George Howell wrote: > I bought a pair of earplugs a few weeks ago, and loved them, with one > problem: they hurt my ears. Does that plastic (rubber?) break in, or > should I just shop around for another pair? Are those yellow foam ones > sufficient? I loved the fact that I could hear the engine while cruising > along (makes a lot o' weird sounds;) and my hearing didn't take time to > adjust to normal after getting off of the bike. > > -George -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 07:16:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06755; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17580; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28068; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt1s102.erols.com [207.172.111.102]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08379; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:15:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349A66C2.52E62A50@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:21:22 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Horns, again References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, they are packaged as Fiamms. It is the Freeway Blaster model I think...couldn't find the package in my junk drawer...They make several models. Western Auto is cool cause their prices are generally 15-20 percent cheaper than all the other big auto parts places. The only drawback is they are hard to find out this way. I believe only one is listed for VA. I generally save a list up for when I visit the in-laws up in CT and stop in and get what I need. George Howell wrote: > >I got mine at Western Auto for $14.99!!! > > Were they packaged as Fiamms or as something else? > > ``` > (o o) > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > *--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 08:03:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06987; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18526; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28470; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA20632 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:03:17 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma020626; Fri, 19 Dec 97 08:03:14 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA10905 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882536419; Fri, 19 Dec 97 08:00:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9712198825.AA882536419@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 08:00:23 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Old vs. New ...(and cooling systems) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, right now I'm wishing for my CB1100 - but I had enough problems with overheating that in the limited traffic in Montana - I wouldn't want that thing here, unless I was going to try and cook myself. With this single exception, I have had no problems with any cooling system on any vehicle I've owned. This one (I'm coming to believe) is just in minor trouble - causing a pain in the butt bike. Like today, I park it at work, it dies on me (like normal unless I keep the gas on pretty good) and then proceeds to puck out the radiator fill cap! There's GOT to be a problem in venting the system and it's pushing the hot water where ever it can (my engine, out the side, out the top.. etc). So, tonight I'm going to look into that possibility. This kinda jumps onto the 'old/new thing - I have no problems working on a motorcycle - to me it's part of owning one (Maybe I've just read 'Zen and the art of Motorcycle Maintenance' a few to many times). Hell, I didn't feel like I wrenched enough.. so I bought a RACE BIKE - and looking at that, it'll be a joy to work on. I'm seriously looking at buying a used 86/87 VFR for my next bike - I think that's about the best bike for my riding that I can get. Of course, it'd be nice to be able to buy and own a new motorcycle - but I'd only do that if I could pay cash up front for the dang thing, and I don't think I'll be holding $10K anytime soon... Blah, damn opinions.. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > > HORKSTER'S TOP 10 LIST OF USELESS NEW BIKE TECHNOLOGY > > > > 1. Liquid Cooling - one more component to break down, gotta flush it > > every > > year > > > Not if you use long life antifreeze. Bump it up to about 3 to 4 > years. Also, lets see who overheats first in that traffic backup or on > hard runs on 90+ days. I haven't overheated yet (knock on wood), and I've seen some warmtraffic. Let's ask Brian McCoy how he feels about radiators/liquid cooling right about now. Sorry Brian. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 08:28:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07179; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18769; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28767; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A65FA301CA; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:27:59 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971219082334.009476b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:23:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Horns, again In-Reply-To: <3499FB82.F6835411@geocities.com> References: <19971219001702.AAA3925@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:43 PM 12/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >The reason it would be a pain on my bike is the location of the horn switch. >It' in the negative loop of the circuit. For the relay to activate properly, >it needs to be on the positive side of the circuit. No it doesn't. All you do is put 12 volts across the two terminals that are on the switching side of the relay. It doesn't matter (and the relay can't tell) whether you switch the negative side or the positive side -- 12 volts is 12 volts. All the horns I've ever worked on, on cars, trucks, and motorcycles, are negative-switched. And the relays I've installed (on cars and motorcycles) all work fine. honk, honk, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 08:29:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07188; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18770; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28766; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A65CA301CA; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:27:59 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971219082737.009476b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:27:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Horny In-Reply-To: <349A66C2.52E62A50@geocities.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:21 AM 12/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >Yes, they are packaged as Fiamms. It is the Freeway Blaster model I >think...couldn't find the package in my junk drawer...They make several >models. Trak Auto sells those, too. "Freeway Blaster", advertised at 132 dB, sold individually in high note or low note for $15 each, need two to make a proper-sounding set. You can see through the clear plastic blister packaging to read "Fiamm" on the back of the horns. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 08:29:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07201; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18792; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28781; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA23554 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:29:47 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma023507; Fri, 19 Dec 97 08:29:21 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA11573 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882537988; Fri, 19 Dec 97 08:26:29 -0500 Message-Id: <9712198825.AA882537988@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 08:25:36 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Earplugs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By all means, try several - I have one type that, after 30-45 minutes, hurt my ears so bad I had to stop and take them out. I grew up using the yellow E.A.R. plugs, so I have lots of those on hand and seem to use them the most. They aren't the highest rated (nice because I listen to music on long trips), but they make a noticeable difference. I'm sold on earplugs too BTW - with the single exception of going to work - it's 4 miles, and I make it over 30 for about 30 seconds. The protection for 5-10 minutes just isn't worth it (plus I'd use to many of the damn things). YMMV Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Earplugs Author: George Howell at smtplink-micros Date: 12/19/97 8:00 PM I bought a pair of earplugs a few weeks ago, and loved them, with one problem: they hurt my ears. Does that plastic (rubber?) break in, or should I just shop around for another pair? Are those yellow foam ones sufficient? I loved the fact that I could hear the engine while cruising along (makes a lot o' weird sounds;) and my hearing didn't take time to adjust to normal after getting off of the bike. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 08:53:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07696; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19177; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29488; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA20996 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA15687 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:53:02 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D60@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: [2] insurance rates Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:50:42 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Collin, that suprises me ... I have found that no one could even come close to USAA's rates. HOWEVER, generally speaking, I think that one of the things that helps keep my rates so low, is the bike I have. 1994 RF900rr. Granted this is a 900cc sportbike that turns a 10.79 quarter, with a top speed in excess of 160 mph (don't tell USAA :-), but it is still probably very low in the insurance actuarial tables. Why? Well, it's an obscure, fairly expensive "adult" sportbike, that I don't think has a lot of "young Kids" buy them and wrap them around stationary objects. In fact, to further illustrate my point, when I sold my 1993 Katana 600 and bought the RF, my rates went DOWN! They told me that the Katana was one of the biggest liabilities for insurance companies. I believe it, since there are so many inexpensive used ones out there that teenagers/high schoolers can buy with just part time jobs. Not a slam on them, but 600cc is still alot of bike. I think if you own anything that has GSX, ZX, FZR, or CBR in the name, you WILL pay for it. Such a shame too, cause the RF has a lot of ooomph. I would expect the VFRs and GPZs to be similar to the RF from an insurability standpoint, except that there are MANY more on the road and may raise their rates some. YMMV, yada yada yada, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Collin T. Fagan[SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 1997 6:19 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re:[2] insurance rates > > Forgot to mention a couple of things on USAA. > 1) I think they've changed the policy on members and opened up access > a > little (what I heard...so take that for what it's worth...i don't know > for > sure) > > 2) The one and only year I went with them instead of State Farm (since > 14y/o), i had an 87 hurricane 600 (inlate 93, early 94) and they > wanted > $800/year for basic liability and comprehensive.. they would not do > collision at any price.. > Also, sport bikes were farmed out to a general agency. > > When I got my 93 GSXR750 (also in 94) they wanted $2k+/yr for minimal > coverage...again... no full coverage at any price. > > Someone told me that they have changed their outlook on sportbikes, > but > their rates aren't good enough for me to drop what I have now. > Collin > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 08:53:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07703; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19201; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29515; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA17489 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:53:35 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:53:35 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'George Howell'" , "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "'\"'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'\" '" Subject: RE: insurance rates Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:54:12 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 31 TEXT $230/year for full coverage on my GSX 1100GP Michael Jordan >-----Original Message----- >From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, December 19, 1997 12:01 AM >To: Viteri, Ursulina; "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >Subject: RE: insurance rates > >>Am I the only one with great insurance rates? $123 a year for basic >>coverage on a '88 Kaw 454 LTD. Must be 'cause I have an older, >>standard-style bike. > >I don't consider my insurance too heinous. Full coverage (100/300 limits) >on the Kawi Eliminator 600 for $350/yr and same coverage on the BMW for >$400 a year. Sounds like a lot until you consider that the next cheapest >alternatives I found were for more than twice those amounts. > > > > ``` > (o o) >*------------oooO----(_)-------------------* >|..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| >|.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| >*--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 08:56:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07739; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19232; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29583; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA21179 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA15848 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:56:03 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D61@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: DC Cycles , "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Earplugs Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:55:46 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Check out this site ---> http://www.pro-am.com/Catalog/Exec/product.asp?product_id=1329 16.00 for a box of 200. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 19, 1997 1:19 AM > To: George Howell; Collin T. Fagan; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Earplugs > > George-- > > Geez, an insurance thread and an earplug thread in the same week. > Horns, > too..... > > I like Hearos brand foam plugs, kinda beige, or MaxLeight, magenta and > yellow. Both are shaped a bit like a cartoon bomb, and they don't > hurt my > ears the way the cylindrical or slightly tapered ones do. Get Hearos > at > Cycles USA or other cycle shops, MaxLeights at workplace safety > suppliers, > I think. I use some kinda plugs every day, and I wash them by leaving > them > in my pants pocket when I do laundry. > > later > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing > it. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 09:01:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07809; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19532; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo01.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29682; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:01:43 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <75c72a75.349a7e21@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:01:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Old vs. New ... Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_882540063_boundary" Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_882540063_boundary Content-ID: <0_882540063@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_882540063_boundary Content-ID: <0_882540063@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: RDWOODJR Return-path: To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Old vs. New ... Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:59:50 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit << > > 4. Electronic Fuel Injection - what's the point? > > > More reliable, more efficient. I think we've seen this on cars. > It needs to evolve on bikes. How much more fuel efficient? (I won't argue the emissions stuff). Anyone have an 1000 cc EFI bike out there? What kind of gas mileage do you get compared to my 37 mpg? That's with leaky carbs, btw. I know it's not a fair comparison, due to bikes/gearing differences, but lets get some ballpark big-bike numbers out here. >> My 1983 GPZ1100 (they were fuel-injected) got 45-50mpg. The 1980 KZ1000 Classic (also injected) demo I used for a while got the same figures. My Z1B 900cc got 37-45. My 2 1978 KZ1000's weren't stock, so fuel economy was a mute point. Richard Wood --part0_882540063_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 09:04:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07859; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19550; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29739; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA17978 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:04:21 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:04:21 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Lights, Horns, Action! Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:04:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 7 TEXT >5. Saddlebags: On black bags, added black tape that reflects white (avoids >that daytime "geek" look" while adding serious nighttime conspicuity). Where did you obtain this wondrous stuff??? Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 09:06:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07892; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19601; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29789; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:06:32 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <826c7338.349a7ede@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:04:12 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Love slaves Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Careful Collin ya never know WHAT might turn up! LOL btw I rode into work (on the BACK still argh!) today with a half helmet and was ok despite the wind and various cagers trying to make two lanes out of the one we were in! .....still waiting to get my tags! In a message dated 12/19/97 2:07:13 AM, gixer@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 09:10:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07959; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19670; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29849; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:10:05 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <9e783d98.349a8013@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:09:21 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dariush-v@XXXXXX Subject: one more for the pack Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Dariush my dear.....here is the email address.....but you should post a request asking how to "sign up" to the list so you get all the posts too ... I'm going to forward your email to Jeanette, who will give it to Sean, and he can probably get you all the info dc-cycles@XXXXXX have a great week and don't work too hard, and don't worry - I won't miss you one little bit............................... xoxo Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 09:11:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07967; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19684; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29867; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:10:58 -0500 (EST) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Fri Dec 19 09:05 EST 1997 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA00450 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA04783 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:11:25 -0500 Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0C5E.24CB3C00@XXXXXX>; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:11:52 -0500 Message-Id: To: Subject: Insurance Rates Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:11:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI . . . . . I just started reading the insurance thread since I'm in digest mode. Other than the absolutely stupid, ridiculous, insane, (and the list goes on), car/motor vehicle tax that you (we) have to pay in VA, insurance rates are quite nice for automobiles in VA. Coming from NJ, where State Farm insurance for my 1983 Chevy Impala was $2400/yr for the least amount of coverage by law, I now am happy about the insurance rates for me; $1200/yr, for the cage and, for my Bandit 600's full coverage it *would* bet $210(?)/yr. In NJ, I insured the Bandit at another insurance company for $381/yr for full coverage. (I had a pretty BAD record up there to, it didn't seem to make a difference for the MC) Not bad, but if you have a Sport bike, you would scream. State Farm only goes by displacement and I checked into the insurance for a '97 BMW R1100R and it was $425/yr (approx). I can't argue that you shouldn't be complaining about the rates, but I can say there *is* worse. It's a gotcha. You have buy the insurance company's product, like it or not. --John Bandit 600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 09:16:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08034; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19762; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29927; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:12:56 -0500 Message-ID: <937E9A3401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <9C729A3401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 9:13:20 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Subject: Re: Christmas Lights...whoops! Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Small problem with the planned route...RCP is CLOSED on saturday. Also, be aware that the crowd at the Moron Temple is unbelievable. They cart in blue-hairs by the busload to ogle the lights, and the local populae take all the parking. Beware of the brainwashed "brothers" in the parking lot who direct you...they will try and convert you! Wish I could join you all, but the the old skag-sikkle is living the good life in the basement waiting for an overhaul of the bottom end... Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 09:27:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08284; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19925; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00190; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:27:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA11085; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA02163; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:27:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971219142710.TEIJ215@XXXXXX>; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:27:10 -0600 Message-ID: <349A8436.EDF0B1FB@mci.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:27:02 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Lights, Horns, Action! References: <3.0.1.32.19971218204759.0069d614@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry, Where did you get the reflective tape? I haven't found any anyplace I look, and usually get strange stares from the pimple headed store employees when I ask about/try to explain what I'm looking for. Also, I totally agree about the earplugs. Highly recommended. I've been trying to convince my wife that she needs to wear earplugs for over a year now. She's tried them a couple of times, always complains about them and removes them. Sigh. Horkster Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > Being noticed is the first step in staying alive. Here's what I did to > my bike to make it stand out: > > 1. Headlight: 80/100W bulb to replace stock 55/60 > You can barbecue on it. A single flash of the high beam at close > range can toast a retina... my first response when I see backup lights in > front of me or someone edging out into an intersection. With it, you > appear as a rapidly moving fireball. > > 2. Turn signals (front and rear) converted to running lights with > Run-n-lites > > 3. Brakelight linked with (incredibly annoying) flashing LED "Hyperlites" > > 4. Horn: Upgraded to (obnoxiously loud) twin Fiamms. > > 5. Saddlebags: On black bags, added black tape that reflects white (avoids > that daytime "geek" look" while adding serious nighttime conspicuity). > > The caveat to all this is making sure your electrics can handle the added > load, that you've installed required relays, etc. I learned that the hard > way in college when I electrocuted my beloved GPZ 550. > > Riders often overlook some other simple safety issues, too: > > 1. Position yourself to be seen and be conspicuous yourself. All my > riding gear is bright and/or highly reflective, helmet is white, etc. > > 2. Wear earplugs. Though this may sound strange (to non-users) you can > actually hear distinct sounds better by filtering out background wind > noise. Everyone I know who's ever tried them now never rides without them. > Plus you avoid the short-term fatigue and cumulative long-term hearing loss > associated with prolonged exposure to noise. (n.b., anyone tempted to > disagree is respectfully asked to try some plugs before flaming). > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (http://www.missingkids.com) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 09:44:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08673; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20816; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00762; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA19411; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:43:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA24724; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971219144319.LPKR6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:43:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:34 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lights, Horns, Action! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971219144319.LPKR6587@[166.41.242.141]> Harry Greenspun wrote: >2. Wear earplugs. Though this may sound strange (to non-users) you can >actually hear distinct sounds better by filtering out background wind >noise. Everyone I know who's ever tried them now never rides without them. >Plus you avoid the short-term fatigue and cumulative long-term hearing loss >associated with prolonged exposure to noise. (n.b., anyone tempted to >disagree is respectfully asked to try some plugs before flaming). I do NOT disagree. In fact, I am such a proponent of earplugs while riding, I purchased a gross of 200 pair so I'd never be out. BTW, these things are great for concerts too. You can actually hear what a band is playing up to and including the last song. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 09:47:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08755; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20981; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00850; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA04356; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:45:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971219094756.006a2424@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 19 Dec 1997 14:47:19 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:47:56 -0500 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Lights, Horns, Action! Cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <349A8436.EDF0B1FB@mci.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19971218204759.0069d614@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:27 AM 12/19/97 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >Harry, > >Where did you get the reflective tape? I bought mine at Bob's BMW. They sell packages which contain pre-cut strips ($$) designed to fit different versions of BMW saddlebags. However, you can also order rolls (cheap) from Galls (1-800-477-7766), a police/fire supply company. They sell it in all sorts of colors (i.e, red, gold, blue, black) and widths which reflect white in headlights. The catalog itself is worth getting. They have everything from SWAT suits to trauma kits to handcuffs to coffee/donut holders. Very cool stuff. Harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 09:59:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08939; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21511; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01231; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA23599; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA31545; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19971219145914.THBZ215@XXXXXX>; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:59:14 -0600 Message-ID: <349A8BB9.2F39F41A@mci.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:59:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking and cornering References: <9712188824.AA882471032@smtplink.micros.com> <3499B542.87C957B3@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not a sportbike rider, and I don't play one on TV, but I would think that if you could somehow slide further back (like onto the passenger seat) when you brake like that, it might help keep the rear tire planted. I've never had a bike with a front brake that good. I couldn't do a stoppie if I wanted to... Hork Collin T. Fagan wrote: > Most of the time coming into the corners hard on the brakes, the bike kills speed > excellent. However, on other occasions when I'm really hitting them hot, the front > does it's job great, but I can't keep the rear from flying up in the air (I was told > by a friend once that they saw the rear tire nearly a foot off the ground one time) > or at minimum getting real squirly. > Is their any technique to help keep some weight on the rear?? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 10:13:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09170; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21773; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01604; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA21097; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:09:36 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCDE4@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Morning Ride Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:07:52 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain This morning as I was riding to work, an older man on a BMW K100 (burnt orange) pulled alongside me, said hello, paused, then said "Hm. You don't see many women riding sport bikes with full leathers on, that's for sure." It was weird, it didn't sound like a compliment, particularly, although he did later comment that he loved my pants... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 10:14:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09181; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21791; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01615; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA01758; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:13:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA19488; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:13:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971219151321.TILT215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:13:21 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:55 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "Collin T. Fagan" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Earplugs X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971219151321.TILT215@[166.41.242.141]> Go to Lab Safety at: http://www.labsafety.com/carbo.dll which lists the available styles of earplugs they sell. You can order through them, and they will assume you are representing a company, but they will sell them to you. I got a gross of 200 of the Aearo EAR Classic™ Plugs (medium size, no cord). They fit fine and are good for about 5 days, before they start getting dirty. Also at this site (if you look around) are some shock resistant glasses very much like the Spirit Spinnakers I use, but for a fraction of the cost (I paid around $40, and they have them I think for around $12). These glasses have a swappable lens. I have the mirrored uv protection, the amber (for rainy days) and a clear lens. Like em alot. Todd Message-ID: Subject: Re: Earplugs Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 00:20:02 -0500 From: George Howell To: "Collin T. Fagan" , "DC Cycles" I bought a pair of earplugs a few weeks ago, and loved them, with one problem: they hurt my ears. Does that plastic (rubber?) break in, or should I just shop around for another pair? Are those yellow foam ones sufficient? I loved the fact that I could hear the engine while cruising along (makes a lot o' weird sounds;) and my hearing didn't take time to adjust to normal after getting off of the bike. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 10:14:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09180; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21797; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01621; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA29546; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA05848; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:13:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971219151324.TILX215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:13:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:04 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Adams, Bill" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Subject: Re: Christmas Lights...whoops! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971219151324.TILX215@[166.41.242.141]> Thanks for the heads up Bill. Do you know if Beach Drive is closed as well? I can get around the RCP. As for the blue hairs, I don't think we'll be that long. Elder John and Bob usually get a sense of my incredible lack of religious interest when I tell them to get bent (remember, I am an "Angry Biker"). Might have to cool the jets on their property though. Todd Bill Adams wrote: >Small problem with the planned route...RCP is CLOSED on saturday. >Also, be aware that the crowd at the Moron Temple is unbelievable. They >cart in blue-hairs by the busload to ogle the lights, and the local >populae take all the parking. Beware of the brainwashed "brothers" in the >parking lot who direct you...they will try and convert you! >Wish I could join you all, but the the old skag-sikkle is living the good >life in the basement waiting for an overhaul of the bottom end... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 10:22:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09312; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22104; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01835; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:22:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA02833; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA16656; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971219152144.TAEF28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:21:44 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:14 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: DC Cycles , "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Earplugs X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971219152144.TAEF28757@[166.41.242.141]> This site looks like a better bargain than the Lab Safety thing I posted, fwiw. Todd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out this site ---> http://www.pro-am.com/Catalog/Exec/product.asp?product_id=1329 16.00 for a box of 200. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 19, 1997 1:19 AM > To: George Howell; Collin T. Fagan; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Earplugs > > George-- > > Geez, an insurance thread and an earplug thread in the same week. > Horns, > too..... > > I like Hearos brand foam plugs, kinda beige, or MaxLeight, magenta and > yellow. Both are shaped a bit like a cartoon bomb, and they don't > hurt my > ears the way the cylindrical or slightly tapered ones do. Get Hearos > at > Cycles USA or other cycle shops, MaxLeights at workplace safety > suppliers, > I think. I use some kinda plugs every day, and I wash them by leaving > them > in my pants pocket when I do laundry. > > later > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing > it. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 11:25:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10453; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22899; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03702; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:22:52 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256572.0059DF11 ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:21:38 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256572.00594650.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:21:29 -0500 Subject: Any rides next week? PLEASE PLEASE! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey y'all! Once again I'm gonna be in town for the holiday, but will not have access to my email. I'd like to go on the ride this Saturday, but doubt the SO will give her official approval (hey, she only sees me every 7 days at the most, and well...she has NEEDS...and uh, you don't hear me complaining ;-)...I may still make it, though, if its not a long one. But anyway, I want to ride next week, and I think it'd be a blast to meet some of you...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, if any of you want to ride I BEG you to give me a call, preferably the night before, if possible. (202) 234-2146 The GS, provided its still in the same place I parked it a month ago, is screamin for a chance to get out! I can't only hold it back for so long before it'll go for a ride without me! Hope to meet a few of you! BTW, where is Leesburg? Which way on Rt. 7? -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 11:45:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10731; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23152; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04296; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA21294; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:44:41 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCDE7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Any rides next week? PLEASE PLEASE! Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:42:56 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I agree. I will be off all next week from work (VACATION) so I won't have e-mail access, but please notify me if anyone's planning a group ride next week! - Jeannette (703) 920-4275 P.S. I have roommates, so if you get the voicemail, press 2 for my voicebox or leave a message with one of my roomies. > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [SMTP:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, December 19, 1997 11:21 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Any rides next week? PLEASE PLEASE! > > > Hey y'all! > > Once again I'm gonna be in town for the holiday, but will not have > access > to my email. I'd like to go on the ride this Saturday, but doubt the > SO > will give her official approval (hey, she only sees me every 7 days at > the > most, and well...she has NEEDS...and uh, you don't hear me complaining > ;-)...I may still make it, though, if its not a long one. > > But anyway, I want to ride next week, and I think it'd be a blast to > meet > some of you...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, if any of you want to ride I BEG > you to > give me a call, preferably the night before, if possible. > > (202) 234-2146 > > The GS, provided its still in the same place I parked it a month ago, > is > screamin for a chance to get out! I can't only hold it back for so > long > before it'll go for a ride without me! > > Hope to meet a few of you! BTW, where is Leesburg? Which way on Rt. > 7? > > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 11:48:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10793; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23173; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04404; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-105.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.105]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id LAA04942 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:48:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971219114418.00c073ac@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:44:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Morning Ride In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCDE4@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" See, I _told_ you about those pants... :) At 10:07 AM 12/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >This morning as I was riding to work, an older man on a BMW K100 (burnt >orange) pulled alongside me, said hello, paused, then said "Hm. You >don't see many women riding sport bikes with full leathers on, that's >for sure." It was weird, it didn't sound like a compliment, >particularly, although he did later comment that he loved my pants... > >- Jeannette ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 11:48:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10794; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23174; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04407; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-105.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.105]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id LAA04949 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:48:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971219114553.00c0c950@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:45:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Christmas Lights...whoops! In-Reply-To: <19971219151324.TILX215@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Beware the speed limit on the access road into the temple, too. Especially if they hear you coming. :) MET At 10:04 AM 12/19/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Thanks for the heads up Bill. Do you know if Beach Drive is closed >as well? I can get around the RCP. As for the blue hairs, I don't >think we'll be that long. Elder John and Bob usually get a sense of >my incredible lack of religious interest when I tell them to get bent >(remember, I am an "Angry Biker"). Might have to cool the jets on >their property though. > > Todd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 11:58:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11028; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23297; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04888; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA19080 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:58:32 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma019006; Fri, 19 Dec 97 11:58:02 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA16229 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882550506; Fri, 19 Dec 97 11:55:09 -0500 Message-Id: <9712198825.AA882550506@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 11:51:49 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Hey Anita.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't find your phone or e-mail, so here goes - lets meet up at your Burger King at like 9:10am ttomorrow. ok? Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 12:05:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11137; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23471; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05308; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:05:15 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <5107a716.349aa69c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:53:46 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gas mileage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Dale writes me, and I wouldn't be me if I didn't share more experiences: << I get about 37 on my 78 KZ1000 whatever I do, highway, twisties, traffic. I read some- where that I should be getting around 45. I wish. Only thing not stock right now are the 4 K&N clamp-on air filters instead of the stock(huge) airbox. I'm not sure if the carbs were ever rejetted, they may have been. >> You really should open up the carbs and check the jet sizes, I think I remember the stock sizes, but with the K&N's, one step over stock is usually a good idea. Of course, the gas that leaks from the #3 carb overflow tube when I park the bike (petcock on or off, doesn't matter some- times = :-o ) probably doesn't help much.>> Should I tell you about the half dozen or so motorcycles I have seen catch fire in a service dept with leaking carbs? In general, does a carb cleaning (by a shop, I wouldn't know what to do myself) do much for performance, cold starting, gas mileage? Mine could probably use the once over after 20 years of use. Would you recommend it? >> Get a carb cleaning. It's not that hard to do on your m/c. But many dealers will want $150-200 plus parts. It looks like you may need a new float valve for #3, so when that is replaced, might as well look in the other card bowls. But you probably don't need any other parts, Japanese carbs can be disassembled many time without replacing a gasket or o-ring. Do you have an aftermarket fuel filter(s) in the fuel line(s)? If not, you should put one in. The little, hidden screens in the petcock up in the fuel tank are not sufficent. I used to have an article cut out of one of my bike mags called carb cleaning 101. If I can find it among the 1,000's of mags I have, I'll let you know and maybe mail it to you. Or you could come by the house to peruse them. But then, you might not leave if you like to read motorcycle magazines. I do have two spare bedrooms, though. Maybe a motorcycle bed&breakfast! Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 16:11:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16968; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28960; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14075; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <780e0912.349ae1f0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:06:51 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MY insurance....I know yall are dying to know.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Yes I am financing, full coverage. Plus I dont lie about anything that can get caught on. Did find out that they have me listed as 21 no 22. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 16:30:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17308; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29471; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14634; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:24:12 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:28:59 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Christmas Lights Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Christmas Lights I think it is Beach Drive that is closed to motor vehicles on the weekend, at least the part inside the Beltway that serves as an extension of Rock Creek Parkway. Most of Rock Creek Parkway itself should be open, although I'm not sure exactly where the Park Police shunt you off at the northern end. I'll soon walk away from work and e-mail access. Please call me at home if the plan changes from meeting at 5:30p at the Mormon Temple: 202-298-7875. Sean >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the heads up Bill. Do you know if Beach Drive is closed as well? I can get around the RCP. As for the blue hairs, I don't think we'll be that long. Elder John and Bob usually get a sense of my incredible lack of religious interest when I tell them to get bent (remember, I am an "Angry Biker"). Might have to cool the jets on their property though. Todd Bill Adams wrote: >Small problem with the planned route...RCP is CLOSED on saturday. >Also, be aware that the crowd at the Moron Temple is unbelievable. They >cart in blue-hairs by the busload to ogle the lights, and the local >populae take all the parking. Beware of the brainwashed "brothers" in the >parking lot who direct you...they will try and convert you! >Wish I could join you all, but the the old skag-sikkle is living the good >life in the basement waiting for an overhaul of the bottom end... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 17:06:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17896; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29827; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15486; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt1s102.erols.com [207.172.111.102]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21670; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:06:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349AF122.A3308A73@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:11:47 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking and cornering References: <9712188824.AA882471032@smtplink.micros.com> <3499B542.87C957B3@geocities.com> <349A8BB9.2F39F41A@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If only it were that easy...First off, the pax seat on most sport bikes is raised (this makes for a nice spot to keep you from going right off the back on hard acceleration). Second, when I'm braking that hard, it's all I can do to peel my eyeballs off the back side of the wind screen :) In general too, I am fairly small so I am nearly always in the front half of the saddle. I suppose I could just come at the corners a bit slower...... nah, now what fun would that be!! CT Dale Horstman wrote: > I'm not a sportbike rider, and I don't play one on TV, but > I would think that if you could somehow slide further back > (like onto the passenger seat) when you brake like that, > it might help keep the rear tire planted. > > I've never had a bike with a front brake that good. I > couldn't do a stoppie if I wanted to... > > Hork _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 17:08:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17912; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29845; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15522; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt1s102.erols.com [207.172.111.102]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22207; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:07:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349AF16B.D846CDF3@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:13:00 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Morning Ride References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCDE4@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: , although he did later comment that he loved my pants... DON'T WE ALL!!!!! > - Jeannette -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 19 21:43:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21017; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA02997; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20896; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA09751 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:43:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349B5B4C.1EDE@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:44:44 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Saturday Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey y'all I'm on D-mode so if there have been any chnages to tomorrow's plans to meet at 0900 (or so) at the RR near the K-mart on Rt 7 in Leesburg, will some kind soul please inform me directly? TIA JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 00:40:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22813; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04778; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23064; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA00804; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:47:17 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:47:17 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Morning Ride Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm surprised no one has the love slaves and morning ride threads together :-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 00:55:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22890; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04846; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23161; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:55:23 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:54:45 EST To: linda.tanner@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ordered Tires... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 97-12-18 14:31:12 EST, linda.tanner@XXXXXX writes: << I had no problems on the last set of tires I put on but maybe I was just careful and it was warm. >> First time I bought new tires, nobody told me that they would be slick. Warm day in June I pulled out of the lot and slid the rear pretty good getting on the highway. Stayed upright but wish I had been warned. I didn't realize until a few weeks later that it was because they were new. Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 01:05:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22948; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04958; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23276; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA13405; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:01:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:50:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Ordered Tires... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3497CD3E.4E84EA9C@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Dale Horstman wrote: > Gil, > What advantages does a hydraulic clutch have over the cable-activated > ones? It uses brake fluid in a master cylinder, correct? I was under > the impression they were hard to adjust if the clutch ever got 'grabby'. Hydraulic clutches never need adjusting.Depending on the air temp and age of the fluid the feel can change slightly,but that's about it. I hated the cable clutch on my CBR900RR.It needed adjusting every time I hit rush hour traffic.As for clutch feel,you get used to it;I had 4 bikes in a row with hydraulic clutches. On a side note,neither of my Buells have had any probs in rush hour traffic.I chalk this up to the fact that the clutch is in a bath of 80w-90 primary lube and not 'light-weight' engine oil. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 01:12:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22993; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05020; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23316; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA13430; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:07:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:06:09 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Test results To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D2FCDAF@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > This time I got "Angry Biker." Now that's more like it. Redhead with a > temper. Yeah,but you got 'Poseur' the first time!I had to play around and put in the geekiest answers I could find to get that.How'd you do it? ;-) BTW,anyone else here actually own a bike from the list they gave you at the end? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 01:21:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23037; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05070; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23357; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA13466; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:17:24 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:08:41 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Water Cooled engine - thoughts. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9712188824.AA882454445@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Brian McCoy wrote: > My question, is it possible for something to have corroded so much > that water can seep into the engine? It's not mixing with the oil > (oil is still black, not puffy white/creamy) - so that would indicate > it's getting into the system on the top side of the piston - possibly > the carbs (why would carbs be cooled though). Any other thoughts? Brian, Do you have an actual manual?I've got one if you need it.There are definitely coolant passageways in the heads that could leak. FYI,there have been bikes with coolant plumbed into the carbs, but these were all Eurospec.Kawi had some big probs with carb icing in Europe(read:lawsuits) and began routing coolant to the carb bodies to keep them warm. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 01:25:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23064; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05099; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23368; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA13486; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:21:12 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:18:38 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Love slaves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3499FDB5.C72612CB@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > With all of Jeannette and Marcy's talk about making us her love slaves > (no complaints here), I can't help but wonder why we have heard nothing > from the boisterous Squeakers on the subject. What, she gets a little > heated competition (or is that hot) and she quietly slinks off without a > word??? I think she's still sulking over me proving that my Buell provides more abuse than she could. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 01:58:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23241; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05405; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23655; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA13581; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:54:26 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:31:35 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Old vs. New ... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3498066F.51B262D9@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Dale Horstman wrote: > 1. Liquid Cooling - one more component to break down, gotta flush it every > year Liquid is ok,you wouldn't have 13:1 CR bikes like the Genesis Yamahas on the street without it.My Harley-engined Buells have never had any overheating probs,however. > 2. Electric start without a kickstart backup system. - batteries do die, you > know. Agreed.This is also an easier way to turn the engine over to set up ignitions,check valves,etc. > 3. Liquid Crystal Display guages - cheap, fog prone, don't display in cold > weather They also don't like vibration.Harley's had all kinds of warranty claims for their new electronic speedos. > 4. Electronic Fuel Injection - what's the point? I got a carb and still get 50+mpg. > 5. Air Adjustable shocks - more containers on the bike that don't hold air Agreed.They can also get corrosion on the inside from condensation. > 6. Hydraulic Clutches - no feel, can't adjust, another master cyclinder on > the handlebar. I liked mine. > 7. Anti Lock Brakes - let me stop the bike, please. All ABS-equipped bikes should be like the Beemer GS;you should be able to shut it off when you choose. > 8. Plastic Fairings - aerodynamic? not with cracks in them... Fairings do add significantly to aerodynamics and top speed.You couldn't have a 175mph ZX-11 without them.They also provide wind/weather protection, and greatly improve high-speed handling.Just don't drop 'em. > 8. Fuel Guages - not typically accurate, from what I've heard. I do better > with tripmeters. Eh?I thought fairings were #8? ;-) > 9. On-board computer chips - Don't these run off the battery? All the time? I can't see them having a significant amount of drain.And they could have a built-in battery like your PC's motherboard. > 10. This isn't new technology, but what's with the lack of 4-way emergency > flashers Agreed.I needed them on the S2.Wish the S1 had them. > I believe that a > lot ofnew bikes are over-engineered with questionably useless high-tech > features that > do little but jack up the price and serve as distinction from one model year > to the next. Affirmative.I never understood why they had to put the single-sided 'arm on the VFR's(especially when the muffler's on the right).I really don't see the need for ram-air on streebikes either.The ram-air system doesn't start making extra power until you hit about 125mph.At those speeds,you're looking at either death/serious injury or jail time. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 06:05:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA24743; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 06:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA06348; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 06:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA25664; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 06:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29785 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 06:05:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03064 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 06:05:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712201105.GAA03064@clark.net> Subject: Re: Old vs. New (LCD display) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 06:05:34 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Agreed.This is also an easier way to turn the engine over to set up > ignitions,check valves,etc. > > > 3. Liquid Crystal Display guages - cheap, fog prone, don't display in cold > > weather > > They also don't like vibration.Harley's had all kinds of warranty > claims for their new electronic speedos. I have to admit I miss the LCD guage that told what gear I was in on my old Nighthawk-S. On my new bike, I sometimes I find that I'm roaring down the street in second gear when I really could be in thrid or fourth. The Concours has a bigger engine, and I don't feel the vibrations as much at lower speeds than I did on the Nighthawk. And Honda must have gotten it right, because I never saw fog or any problems during my winter rides. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 10:30:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25879; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06865; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27178; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s16.erols.com [207.172.110.207]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA23043; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:30:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712201530.KAA23043@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Gil M. Nissley" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:33:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Love slaves Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: <3499FDB5.C72612CB@geocities.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > With all of Jeannette and Marcy's talk about making us her love slaves > > (no complaints here), I can't help but wonder why we have heard nothing > > from the boisterous Squeakers on the subject. What, she gets a little > > heated competition (or is that hot) and she quietly slinks off without a > > word??? > > I think she's still sulking over me proving that my Buell provides > more abuse than she could. ;-) Owowow!!! No WAY!! I was just sifting through my overstuffed email inbox, the love slave caught my eye (naturally) so I read these first (naturally) and what do I see?!?! Im being maligned!!!! no.1 the buell may provide more abuse than me (POSSIBLY!) BUT it will never be able to comfort and warm you as much as *I* could. Never. so.. ppphhhlllttt! no.2 Love slave?!?!? i dont need or want any stinkin love slaves. Id rather have SEX slaves. LOVE slave implies that ya haffta be NICE to the slave sometimes, whereas SEX slave means ya can do anything, anywhere, anyhow, anytime any way ya damn choose. USE and ABUSE to yer hearts content! :) mmmmmm heaven!!! I havent been on the net as much lately. Ive started workin out at the gym, trying to build muscle. Ill be on the Sporty exclusively next year, and would like enough upper body strength to be able to "manhandle' the bike. I figure that the more capable I am to handle the bike, the more capable Ill be onnit PERIOD. I had no idea just how weak I am til I tried to lift free weights. OUCH!!! Gimme a few months.... PLUS Im in a spam war. I was asked back onto a newsgroup that I used to be on a year and a half or so ago. It was dying a slow death, and needed cleaning up. They figured that I could be of some help in that area. I did what I do, and now we're trying to fight the major spammer on that group, and then we'll work on building the group back up so there's PEOPLE in it again. Ever been to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet? Its amazing what these people go through to try and out maneuver spammers. Its an actual war out there! PLUS its christmas.... Im STILL not done with the damnable shopping. Christmas may be fun for kids and dads, but since MOMS haffta do all the damn WORK MAKING that christmas fun, its..well... WORK!!!! Remember the daughter I told you about? She's really a smart thang, aint she? She brought me the phone, my wallet, a catalog and her list. Said call, order..NOW. Before you forget. So.. at least the shopping for HER is done. :) Gawd, do these people know me or what! My bike is crying out in the shed, and Im crying here in the house, dreaming of living in the Keys. Warm riding all year round. 'Course, Im also gettin myself "things" for my bike while its sittin cryin. I need a damn garage. That way I could put my bike up in bad weather, and take it out when we have a pretty day. Instead, it either has to be out in the weather always, with only a cover for protection OR in the shed that I cant get it out of by myself. I WANT A GARAGE!!!!!! Pat promised that this spring we'll build a cover the extends over the shed, plus concrete in the part of the back yard thats in front of it. THAT way Ill be able to park the bike in the back yard under cover, yet STILL be able to get to it easily. ALONE. well.. I guess I talked enough to pretty much bore everyone to tears now. :) Squeakers-stuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 10:33:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25894; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06875; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27190; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:32:59 -0500 (EST) From: Surfnwebr Message-ID: <2e17ea5d.349be4f5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:32:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MY insurance....I know yall are dying to know.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << Yes I am financing, full coverage. Plus I dont lie about anything that can get caught on. Did find out that they have me listed as 21 no 22. Jack >> >> Conditional morality. Another example: Look! There's a wallet on the ground! I wonder if anyone is watching me? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 11:08:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26167; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07046; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27529; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:08:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.194]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA29003; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:07:38 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: Re: Test results Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:04:47 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971220160737.AAA29003@default> Gil wrote: >BTW,anyone else here actually own a bike from the list they gave >you at the end? Gil-- I don't exactly remember what they recommended for me, but I think they didn't even hit the top 5 on my wish list. Later Kevin PS-- I think one of them was a Buell...... He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 11:17:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26251; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07111; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27645; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:17:43 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <21ac282a.349bead4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:57:06 EST To: squeakers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: garage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << My bike is crying out in the shed, . I need a damn garage. I WANT A GARAGE!!!!!! Squeakers-stuck >> No basement? When I built my house, the garage plan was changed to 28'x21' daycare room. So I have 3 motorcycles in the cosy basement, and 2 atv's in the barn. Problem with the cosy basement, it's a 1/4 mile out of the basement, up the backyard, around the back of the barn, and down the dirt driveway to a paved road. Don't ride much if the ground's wet. But the atv gets pounded. Motorcyclists don't ride around much hollering yeehaw! and yahoo!, but atver's do in the mud. And, of course, what you do and holler in the privacy of the master bedroom is nobody's business. RDW 1994 VFR750c Magna 1986 YX600 Radian (storing for nephew, it is for sale) 1994 KX125 (son's) 1996 Polaris 425 Magnum 1988 YFS200 Blaster (for sale) Sears pressure washer (gets used a lot around here, but not in the master bedroom) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 11:28:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26344; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07174; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27755; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s16.erols.com [207.172.110.207]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03087; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:27:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712201627.LAA03087@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: RDWOODJR Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:30:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: garage Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <21ac282a.349bead4@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > << > My bike is crying out in the shed, > . I need a damn garage. I WANT A > GARAGE!!!!!! > Squeakers-stuck > >> > > No basement? When I built my house, the garage plan was changed to 28'x21' > daycare room. So I have 3 motorcycles in the cosy basement, and 2 atv's in the > barn. > when we got this house, we obviously werent thinking clearly. We have an end unit townhouse. Sure, it has 3 floors, one of them being a basement BUT... its one of those "different" floor plans. In other words, the front door faces the SIDE, not the front. It has high twisty concrete steps up to the door. No WAY to get a bike in. It has an "english basement". Which means the walkout to the back yard is up on the second floor, and teh basement is half a floor under. I was wondering if we could remove the windows from the basement rec room, and put in a door instead. pat said that would be major altering, and then we'd have a problem with water running into the room. and oh, yeah... once you get in the front door, you're in a tiny "hall". If you go straight, then you're on the stairs going up. if you go to the right and straight, you're goin down. if ya go to the right, you're in the dining room..to the left, the living room. we realized our HUGE mistake as we were moving in to this place. Try gettin a couch through THAT maze! Sure, it LOOKS nice.... but functionally its a NIGHTMARE. squeakers-still stuck and WHEN is this STUPID hunting season OVER!!!!!!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 12:03:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26633; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:03:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07312; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28174; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01102 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971220120245.0069fa14@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 20 Dec 1997 17:02:06 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:02:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Visibility Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Some folks have asked me about my leathers, so here they are: http://www.greenspun.com/harry - follow the "motorcycle" link I was only wearing the jacket that day, but it's part of a two-piece, matching Vanson suit with full armor. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 ..... :-( From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 15:02:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28211; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08060; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00264; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s16.erols.com [207.172.110.207]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA22820 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:01:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712202001.PAA22820@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:04:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Test results Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BD0ADD.68709220.linda.tanner@mci.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Ok. It says Im an angry biker. What a stupid test. FIRST off it was HARD ta do cuz it was MALE oriented, but even so... it said *I* was an ANGRY biker!!!!! ME!?!?!?!?! I aint ever been angry about anything in my LIFE. If I could get my hands around the neck of the limey that wrote that stupid test, Id show him just how WRONG he IS. I aint no angry biker. The only part about that test that was right was its description of my favored choice of bikes. It got THAT one PERFECT. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 16:04:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29099; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08926; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01761; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:04:36 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666 Message-ID: <300594d4.349c3279@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:02:47 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Scooter for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Someone posted a Honda scooter here a few days ago - I'd appreciate it if someone could send the post to me (if they still have it) Thanks Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 17:03:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29615; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09829; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02480; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:03:36 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:02:49 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MY insurance....I know yall are dying to know.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Conditional morality? Thats a funny thing to say when you talk about shafting insurance companies. Ironic actually. Isnt the ins. industry nothing but a legal "shaft operation"? I think there isnt anything wrong with getting one or two back now and then. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 18:04:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00241; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10918; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03289; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt9s150.erols.com [207.172.46.150]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01717; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:04:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349C5039.831D51E8@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:09:45 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Old vs. New ... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > > > 9. On-board computer chips - Don't these run off the battery? All the time? > > I can't see them having a significant amount of drain.And they could > have a built-in battery like your PC's motherboard.\ Great article in MCN regarding the whole battery threadhttp://www.mcnews.com/articles/battery.htm > > > Affirmative.I never understood why they had to put the single-sided > 'arm on the VFR's(especially when the muffler's on the right).I really > don't see the need for ram-air on streebikes either.The ram-air system > doesn't start making extra power until you hit about 125mph.At those > speeds,you're looking at either death/serious injury or jail time. Actually, the kawi's start making significant power boosts starting from as low as 60mph... forgot what tech article had this, but it was one of the regular bike rags. Haven't heard anything on where the SRAD suzukis start kicking in....maybe when I go ride my future race bike tomorrow I'll find out ;-) _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 18:11:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00303; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10971; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03380; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt9s150.erols.com [207.172.46.150]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02583 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:11:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349C51CC.26B4AD3A@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:16:28 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Earplug article and Battery care article Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey ya'll, A couple requested the article from RRW about earplugs and hearing loss.. good stuff. I scanned it as a gif (64k) and have it at: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/hearing.gif It's not the best scan in the world, but it's very readable. Also, a friend at work pointed me towards a great article about batteries....It confirms a lot of stuff that was said on that thread last week: http://www.mcnews.com/articles/battery.htm -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 19:40:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01032; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11269; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:40:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04315; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:40:06 -0500 (EST) From: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA27222 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:39:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv3-40.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.104) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027092; Sat Dec 20 18:37:38 1997 Message-ID: <349C8E18.237F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:33:44 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle type test?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about the question guys, but I keep readingabout this Motorcycle, test, sounds fun ;), but I missed the URL somewhere in this maze of Email I have piled through. Thanks.. Ken From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 20:26:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01378; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11416; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04739; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt9s150.erols.com [207.172.46.150]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14113 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:26:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349C717D.A9FB04F@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:31:42 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: What Kind Of Biker Are You? motorcycleworld - http://www.erack.com/mcw Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2D90A8181EBF04C11B4638A5" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2D90A8181EBF04C11B4638A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I finally got around to taking the m/c quiz.... I don't really think anyone would have had a doubt which category I would hit :) I guess it was fairly accurate since I have the top choice bike and John Koh let's me ride the hisbike (number three) http://www.erack.com/mcw/advertorial/lloydsquiz/final2.htm -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) --------------2D90A8181EBF04C11B4638A5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name="final2.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="final2.htm" Content-Base: "http://www.erack.com/mcw/advertorial/l loydsquiz/final2.htm" What Kind Of Biker Are You? motorcycleworld - http://www.erack.com/mcw


your name:
You are a hooligan through and through aren't you?

Riding flat out all the time. Cars are a mere inconvenience.

Bikes are more than a form of transport they're a way of life giving you a thrill and an instant social life. As a pulling tool they just can't be beat (unless you get a Harley, but then there's just no chance of that ever happening, is there?).

Just remember the old saying "There are old riders and there are bold riders. There just aren't many old, bold riders"

  • Japanese sports bikes are the cutting edge of technology, how they manage to squeeze all those horses out of those engines is a modern miracle. It's all well and good people going on about Ducatis and Triumphs but they just don't go as fast as Japanese wheels do they?
  • There's no point in using my headlight 'cos I'm going to be going so fast that no one's going to be able to see me.
  • Luckily I'm such a good rider that I just can't be touched. Well there was that time that that I lobbed the GSX-R into that ditch...but it wasn't my fault really...bloody diesel all over the road.
  • Black visors are pretty essential really. You have a much better field of vision than you get wearing shades. It's a safety thing.
  • Carbon fibre - greatest material in the known universe. I want a carbon fibre bike. Not sure what it is though.
  • One of these days I'm gonna be the editor of Performance Bikes
do it again

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--------------2D90A8181EBF04C11B4638A5-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 20 22:14:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02154; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11720; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05743; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id VAA13319 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:13:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA14737 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.117]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971221031248.VAMG28757@[166.41.111.117]> for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:12:48 -0600 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:06 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: 'Tis the season to get... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971221031248.VAMG28757@[166.41.111.117]> ...stuck in traffic! It started as a fanciful way to enjoy the season and still ride our motos. We were to meet at the Mormon Temple from between 5pm and 5:30pm at the live nativity hosted by our Mormon neigbors. Here are those that showed, and some who we missed: George Howell (GS850) Jack {Wantazx6} (but has a TL1000 that sounds pretty cool) Sean Sullivan and his cute sister Hanna (CBR F3) Don Wu (CB650 Hawk...we almost missed you) Todd (ST1100) May have been sighted by Don was Micheal Jordan (GS1100g{?}) and curiously absent was Chris (mandatory means what I say it means) Meier. Chris is excused since he returned my phone call, and Micheal...well, sorry guy. I thought I made it clear to everyone we'd meet at the nativity, because I knew there would be a screw up. Oh, well :-) The light show at the temple was better than expected (by me at least) and the Mormon Elders were very accommodating, even though they frowned upon hot tea and coffee on the premesis. The Nativity was a little bizzare for this god fearing 'merican. A hush cam over the crowd when from stilted speakers came a booming voice reading from the bible of Christs birth. When they say live, they don't really mean live. Mother Mary was way too peachy and smily to have given birth to an 18 inch plastic Jesus =:-0 Anyway, we had all we could stand of this strange scene and decided to head out at around 6:15pm. At about this time the place was really starting to get congested. We followed a route via Connecticut Ave. and had planned a side excursion on our way to the White House, but missed the turn somewhere. Ah, the city at night and the qazillion lights of traffic. Christmas anyone? Time to put our motos to good use splitting down the lanes to avoid some of this congestion at the Uptown Theatre. They only come out at night little kiddies and they were in force on this one. I don't see this much traffic during rush hour! We finally made our way to E St. and turned in toward the National Christmas tree. I asked some nice LEOs if it'd be alright to park in an undesignated area close to where they were directing traffic, and they said "OK"! Excellent, and very cool! We walked around the fenced perimeter of the tree sight, avoiding the crowds inside and shook off the traffic. The tree is nice everyone, but maybe not so worth the effort on hindsight. Hey, that's what we get thinking no one else wanted to see it. After soaking in enough of the mayhem we mozyed back to the bikes and said goodbye to George, Sean and Hanna, and Don. That left me and crazy Jack (just kidding) to go to Manassass to witness a serious disregard for energy conservationism in the form of more than 25,000 lit-up christmas lights. Pretty cool! And it was worth the extra mileage too. That's all folks. Hope todays ride went well for everyone. You certainly had the weather for it. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 02:47:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04486; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12965; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA08126; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.21] (1Cust21.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.240.21]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA07026 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:47:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:47:18 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34978119.75D0@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Two Questions... >> From: Alan Lapp >> Subject: Re: Two Questions... >--> snip <-- > >> Interesting statistics: In 15 years of MC riding I have had 7 non-racing >> accidents. The first 3 were within 3 years of getting my liscence (2 >> single vehicle, 1 struck by a car). The last 3 were within the last 2 >> years (1 single vehicle, 2 struck by a car). I went 10 years with only 1 >> accident caused by a BDC moving into my lane, and in some ways, it was my >> fault: early AM commute, unfamiliar bike. >> >> However, in the same time frame, I've only had 2 car accidents, both within >> the first 3 years of having my drivers liscence. >> >> Al > >Al, > >Forgive me, but yours are alarming statistics - not just interesting >ones. I might seriously re-adjust my attitudes if these were mine... 7 >accidents? (!!) > >JK I've been away for a few days, so sorry for the delayed response... Not to start a flame war, but you *did* light the match. My only question to you is how many lifetime-total miles on a MC do you have? Care to guess how many I have? Perhaps some questions would be in order on your part, such as; Q) What do I qualify as an accident? A) Any time my bike hits the ground while moving. Q) How many of those accidents were serious (as in painful swelling and itch... er... injury)? A) 2: one when I was a young, inexperienced rider, and another, last November in which I was rear-ended by a car in stop & go traffic. The granddaddy of all questions: Q) Did I learn anything? A) Yes. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 03:04:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA04551; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA13057; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08221; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:04:08 -0500 (EST) From: Mdornheim Message-ID: <9e7b5e4a.349ccd4f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:03:25 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Mdornheim@XXXXXX Subject: re: scooter for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) <> It was posted for me before I got on the list yesterday. It's a Honda Aero 125, 1,000 miles, great condition, $300. Call 301/654-2460, or e-mail is mdornheim@XXXXXX (calling is better). -- Mike Dornheim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 03:46:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA04732; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA13169; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08421; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.21] (1Cust71.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.245.71]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA12678 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:46:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:46:00 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: MY insurance....I know yall are dying to know.... >Conditional morality? Thats a funny thing to say when you talk about shafting >insurance companies. Ironic actually. Isnt the ins. industry nothing but a >legal "shaft operation"? I think there isnt anything wrong with getting one >or two back now and then. > >Jack Hear hear, brother! Uh oh. I feel a rant coming on.... My feeling about insurance companies is that they are extortionists, and the state is the muscle behind the scam. I pay lots of money for something I hope I'll never need. And, to make my attitude worse, I rarely make claims: home owners is a doddle - just don't burn the joint down... I don't wreck cars with the vigor I apply to MCs, and if I get in an accident, it is (to date, knock on wood) always someone elses fault.... and full coverage MC insurance costs 1/3rd the price of a new bike (if you own a bike the insurance companies consider a high risk), so it's bad business if your bike is paid in full (i.e. no lien on the bike), so I don't have it. The only times I've made claims are when my car gets broken into. Yet, my rates go up, and Allstate tried to drop me when my payment was lost in the mail. After 11 years of faithful patronage. *Well* over $10k of my money went into their coffers, and they wanted to drop me because of something not within my control! Bastids! Let's just say I got my way after some persuasive discussion with a member of their customer service department. And talk about 'selective morality'.... the insurance companies wrote *that* book! The customers money is for the insurance company to take until the customer need some of it back, then BAM! Instant leper status. Yet, for all the hatred of their attitude, business practices, and seemingly subjective and arbitrary corporate policies, I can't condone ripping them off. Not because they don't deserve it, but because I don't want to be dishonest. Secondly, the punishment for being caught (note the phrasing ) is terribly stiff, as well. Aaaah. I feel better now. Thanks for listening. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 10:38:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06522; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14907; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10682; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:37:40 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:37:04 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Va licensing requirements Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Does anyone know how the rules work for licensing the smaller bikes on the road in Virginia? I have a friend [already lectured] who recently had a run in with the police after a few drinks. He will probably be losing his driving priveledges to some extent. Can he still drive a moped or do you need a valid license to do that? How big a "moped"? Scooters? Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 11:15:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06784; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15034; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11048; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:15:15 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <510b0af1.349d4073@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:14:40 EST To: squeakers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: garage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << squeakers-still stuck and WHEN is this STUPID hunting season OVER!!!!!!!! >> Back when I was an animal assassin, crow was the only season open all year long. I took my shotgun to the University of Maryland so I could hunt between classes near Contee (old gravel pit) in Laurel. Squeakers knows why I don't hunt anymore. Plus I don't like to eat crow. hehe Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 11:44:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06940; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15194; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11278; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:43:45 -0500 (EST) From: Surfnwebr Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:43:08 EST To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: personal Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 97-12-21 11:28:39 EST, you write: << In a message dated 97-12-20 17:13:36 EST, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << Conditional morality? Thats a funny thing to say when you talk about shafting insurance companies. Ironic actually. Isnt the ins. industry nothing but a legal "shaft operation"? I think there isnt anything wrong with getting one or two back now and then. Jack >> Where on this planet did you see or hear of this screen name commenting on "shafting" anything! Further contact on this subject should be kept off the list. Your rationale on getting back..... when do you decide on when to stop? who's next? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 17:15:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09861; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 17:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16415; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 17:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14787; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 17:15:33 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <34c63423.349d9489@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 17:13:27 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: biker's test + silliness Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Finally got around to taking the biker's test. No kidding I'm an angry biker (I like "motorcyclist" or "rider" better). You ride enough, and who isn't? But we really need an American version of the test. Too many idioms I don't see in everyday use. But I am a country boy, not sophisticated like others. WIFE! BRING ME A BEER! AND BE QUICK ABOUT IT! DAMN! WHERE'S THE CLICKER?! KING OF THE HILL'S ON SOON! Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 18:06:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10350; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16613; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15460; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as2s62.erols.com [207.172.110.125]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18419; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:06:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712212306.SAA18419@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, RDWOODJR Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:09:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: biker's test + silliness Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34c63423.349d9489@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Finally got around to taking the biker's test. > No kidding I'm an angry biker (I like "motorcyclist" or "rider" better). > You ride enough, and who isn't? > But we really need an American version of the test. > Too many idioms I don't > see in everyday use. agreed. all those brit questions that were VERY male oriented were posers indeed. I had to keep substituting men where it said women, women where it mentioned men, and hamburgers and fries for fish and chips. or sumthin like that. But I am a country boy, not sophisticated like others. uhuh..... > WIFE! BRING ME A BEER! AND BE QUICK ABOUT IT! i HOPE she dumped it on yer head! Then ordered you to get HER one. Unless she wanted you to do something for her, or buy something for her. Then she can bring you a beer. but you can open the damn thing yerself! .DAMN! WHERE'S THE CLICKER?! KING > OF THE HILL'S ON SOON! you mean you allow other people to touch your remote? It actually moves around? You havent put it on the table next to YOUR chair and DARED anyone else to even TOUCH it?!?!?! Wow..... i thought that ALL men swore that the remote was a God given male right. At least thats what Pat TOLD me. Did he lie to me?!?!?! > > Richard Wood squeakers- confused now > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 19:06:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10803; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18115; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15932; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:06:22 -0500 (EST) From: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA11307; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:05:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv3-27.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.91) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011253; Sun Dec 21 18:03:53 1997 Message-ID: <349DD78B.2659@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:59:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xl-list@XXXXXX, dc-cycles CC: Kim Schacter , harley@XXXXXX, Harry Buchofer Subject: Merry Christmas!!! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------79D25F092FC5" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------79D25F092FC5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well Ive gotten in a run of at least 100 miles every night since Thursday evening, but with tomorrows forecast it looks like time to pack things up for awhile. I dont know what everyone else does but for these short layovers, I fill the tank with fresh fuel, add Winter fuel conditioner and Duralt gas treatment. Then once everything is mixed I shut off the petcock and let it run dry. If its going to be more than two weeks I'll hook op my 1 amp Charger on a light timer to keep the battery charged 15 minutes each day. Then just start keeping my fingers crossed that some good riding weather will reappear shortly. especially since I just got a new set of leathers, a two piece Jacket/Pants combination that in the dry anyway is probably just as warm as my regular winter riding suit. In the wet would be a different story. Everyone just remenber to ride extra safe if you get the chance to get out there, most of those cagers will be hammered even worse than usual. 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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:55:43 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Santa, Going through some magazines, and a few things came together spurring me to write this to you (no easy task finding time during this season) thinking you might add to your list for next Wednesday night. In the January AMA 'American Motorcyclist' the article "Motorcycle Fatalities Plummet" smiles about how the '96 motorcycle-related fatalities figure dropped to a NHTSA reporting system low (since '75) of 2,075. In the past ten years alone, they've dropped by 50%. (And per-mile these must be even more impressive.) Rider-training programs heads the story's list of probable driving forces. Not that I've been around that long, but the stats spoke to me and certainly urge me on to more biking (and they will hopefully appear in wider public forums). (Hmmm -- make you want to think about a motorcycle, Santa, for reindeer backup?) Then, in the January 'Rider' magazine there appears a small paragraph in the Editor's "Kickstarts" section headed "Help the NMSF". Apparently the MSF-related National Motorcycle Safety Fund needs personal donations (federal tax-deductible) to keep already-obtained corporate monies from being grabbed by the IRS. I recalled how much the RSS and ERC courses have done for my motorcycling entry and enjoyment; how well organized and professional the MSF experiences have been; how the MSF has provided common ground for me to evaluate safety discussions; and how the course costs (particularly matched against the likes of comparable auto, pilot, even other skills, training) have seemed close to miniscule for value received. So -- given AMA and 'Rider' sources I thought I'd send this to you and a few others mentioning the NMSF need. They've done what has seemed pretty good work for me, and motorcycling, this last year, and lots before, and I understand this is their first wide request. [Help can be on a personal check or MO payable to NMSF; to National Motorcycle Safety Fund, 2 Jenner Street, Suite 150, Irvine, CA 92618-3806.] Oh, by the way, Santa, please be good to all the others on this fine list. From what I've seen we've all tried to be good boys and girls this year. Bill Swanson (not an MC industry employee) '96 Vulcan 500 LTD Downtown DC AMA, + Happy Holidays! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 21:15:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11636; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19774; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17179; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:15:20 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <643518f6.349dccf9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:14:15 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 'Tis the season to get... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 97-12-20 22:20:12 EST, you write: << That left me and crazy Jack (just kidding) to go to Manassass to witness a serious disregard for energy conservationism in the form of more than 25,000 lit-up christmas lights. Pretty cool! >> Yes it was pretty cool.....and I dont mind the crazy Jack thing a bit. Fitting I think. Jack PS- I keep getting compliments on how the TL sounds, but I have NEVER heard it!!! Strange how you never know what your bike sounds like. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 22:26:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12369; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20855; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18110; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA22305; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:25:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349E0842.50B2@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:27:14 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Alan Lapp Subject: Alarming Statistics [was Re: Two Questions...] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alan Lapp > I've been away for a few days, so sorry for the delayed response... > Not to start a flame war, but you *did* light the match. > My only question to you is how many lifetime-total miles on a MC do you have? Well, I've never kept a record until most recently, but I figure since 1971 I've ridden around 150,000 miles. > Care to guess how many I have? No. Maybe you'll clue us in...? > Perhaps some questions would be in order on your part, such as; > Q) What do I qualify as an accident? > A) Any time my bike hits the ground while moving. OK. That's a new definition. I think that anytime you or your machine is damaged in any way in a vehicular mishap, whether or not it involves another vehicle would constitute an "accident". If the bike remains standing and is damaged it is probably still an accident. > Q) How many of those accidents were serious (as in painful swelling and > itch... er... injury)? > A) 2: one when I was a young, inexperienced rider, and another, last > November in which I was rear-ended by a car in stop & go traffic. OK. > The granddaddy of all questions: > Q) Did I learn anything? > A) Yes. Al, your original post led (not only) me to suppose that you were involved in (many) mishaps involving other vehicles. I'm glad to read that's not the case! Thanks for clearing it up. JK =============================================================================== >> Interesting statistics: In 15 years of MC riding I have had 7 non-racing >> accidents. The first 3 were within 3 years of getting my liscence (2 >> single vehicle, 1 struck by a car). The last 3 were within the last 2 >> years (1 single vehicle, 2 struck by a car). I went 10 years with only 1 >> accident caused by a BDC moving into my lane, and in some ways, it was my >> fault: early AM commute, unfamiliar bike. >> >> However, in the same time frame, I've only had 2 car accidents, both within >> the first 3 years of having my drivers liscence. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 22:28:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12432; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20909; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18214; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.143] (unverified [207.226.128.143]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:32:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 'Tis the season to get... Date: Sun, 21 Dec 97 22:28:26 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" And now for the details Todd missed... >George Howell (GS850) If only BMW made a GS in the 850 size. I actually have an R850R. I know it's tough for you guys to remember the details on non-Japanese bikes. I'd hate to see how you'd butcher the nomenclature on a Triumph:) >Jack {Wantazx6} (but has a TL1000 that sounds pretty cool) We couldn't tell if it was a harley when he rode up. >Sean Sullivan and his cute sister Hanna (CBR F3) Unfortunately, I couldn't convince Hanna that the pillion seat on the Beemer was MUCH more comfortable than the one on the CBR. Maybe next time;) >Chris is excused since he returned my phone call, and Micheal...well, >sorry guy. I thought I made it clear to everyone we'd meet at the >nativity, because I knew there would be a screw up. Oh, well :-) And when in doubt (like me) you can call Todd to verify these 'details'. >The light show at the temple was better than expected (by me at least) >and the Mormon Elders were very accommodating, even though they frowned >upon hot tea and coffee on the premesis. The Nativity was a little >bizzare for this god fearing 'merican. A hush cam over the crowd when >from stilted speakers came a booming voice reading from the bible of >Christs birth. When they say live, they don't really mean live. Mother >Mary was way too peachy and smily to have given birth to an 18 inch >plastic Jesus =:-0 Unfortunately, I missed the majesty of the plastic Jesus. I was walking off of the grounds to get my nicotine fix. Jack was nearly assimilated when they saw him light up. Nifty lights. Especially the ones around the little pool. >Anyway, we had all we could stand of this strange scene and decided >to head out at around 6:15pm. At about this time the place was really >starting to get congested. So, wisely, we went somewhere more congested... >We followed a route via Connecticut Ave. and had planned a side excursion >on our way to the White House, but missed the turn somewhere. Ah, >the city at night and the qazillion lights of traffic. Christmas anyone? >Time to put our motos to good use splitting down the lanes to avoid some >of this congestion at the Uptown Theatre. They only come out at night >little kiddies and they were in force on this one. I don't see this much >traffic during rush hour! Plenty of red and green lights to be seen on Conn. Ave. And like Todd said, we missed a turn onto the Rock Creek Parkway, WHICH WAS OPEN!! Made a detour to a gas station. Seems that the same folks ragging on Todd and I about our 'couches' have a fuel capacity even less than my bladder. Upon leaving the gas station, we had to make a left back onto Conn. Ave. With no light. Surprisingly, Don, Todd and myself kept the front wheel down. No idea about Jack and Sean:) FWIW, the line in front of the Uptown was for TOMORROW NEVER DIES. (more on that in a bit) >After soaking in enough of the mayhem we mozyed back to the bikes and >said goodbye to George, Sean and Hanna, and Don. That left me and >crazy Jack (just kidding) to go to Manassass to witness a serious disregard >for energy conservationism in the form of more than 25,000 lit-up christmas >lights. Pretty cool! And it was worth the extra mileage too. While heading down Independence (?) there was much lane splitting. Todd, followed by me, then Jack (the other two having already peeled off). While poking along, song ignorant bitch (pardon my French) in a mini-van decided she wasn't going to let us do this anymore. So right after Todd passed her, she inched over. Luckily, the opposed cylinders on the R bike didn't give her an ugly scratch down the side of her barge. Our mirrors, however, had an intimate encounter. WHACK! Luckily, mine were black plastic. I suppose hers being of the painted variety would be the reason for the loud honk that should have occured right when Jack was passing (who got quite a laugh out of the whole thing, it seems). Todd, got info on where you went in Manassass? My SO and I might do that tomorrow night before she goes back to Ohio to see her parents. (See, Hanna, I would have been a perfect gentleman) Upon returning to fair Waldorf, I met up with my brother and we saw the new James Bond flick. The one person I wanted to see get killed was. The BMW car scenes were pretty cool. The BMW bike scenes were great, but they didn't even go to the trouble of digitally putting Brosnan's face on the stunt double during the real stunts. And I swear that the forks and rear looked more like those on the GS than the cruiser, but the rear couldn't have been changed, and the front possibly wasn't. And yes, that really was a Cruiser pulling all those nutty wheelies. No mistaking those twin cylinders (unlike the 'bmw's' in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade that were Japanese dirt bikes painted olive drab). Oh, and FWIW, I've seen two (British) publications with nifty wheelies on the BMW cruiser, so I'm assuming UA got the same tweaked bikes that the testers did;) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 23:06:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13143; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21669; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19196; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt21s11.erols.com [207.172.53.11]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00865; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:05:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349DE866.FB872BF@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:11:18 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantA ZX6 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 'Tis the season to get... References: <643518f6.349dccf9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WantA ZX6 wrote: > PS- I keep getting compliments on how the TL sounds, but I have NEVER heard > it!!! > Strange how you never know what your bike sounds like. I'll personally volunteer to buzz you on the terrible lizard if ya like :) Just let me get a new sprocket thingy put back on the rear of mine first. CT ps: Went over and drooled over my 97 race bike this afternoon....is it spring yet :) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 21 23:24:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13287; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21744; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19454; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA22135; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:19:25 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:16:13 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Test results To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199712202001.PAA22820@smtp1.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Squeakers wrote: > Ok. It says Im an angry biker. What a stupid test. FIRST > off it was HARD ta do cuz it was MALE oriented, I thought having male-oriented things hard was a good thing? :-} > The only part about that test that was right was its > description of my favored choice of bikes. It got THAT one > PERFECT. You want a Buell S1?Cool!I'll bring mine right over(trade ya for the Sporty). The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 06:34:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA17069; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 06:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA24927; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 06:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23304; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 06:34:36 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256575.003FDF7E ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 06:37:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256575.003FA6FB.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 06:37:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII BTW,anyone else here actually own a bike from the list they gave you at the end? ] Yes I got angry biker and it listed the V-max. I also liked most of the bikes it did list for me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 08:20:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17691; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25226; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24066; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA11925 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:20:35 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma011902; Mon, 22 Dec 97 08:20:15 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA27584 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882796638; Mon, 22 Dec 97 08:17:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9712228827.AA882796638@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 08:15:53 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Dedicated Biker... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hrm.. must be the mix of poser(ish) and adrenelized personalities.. at least they had some cool bikes for me to want to be a proud owner of. No VFR though, I'm disdisappointed. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 08:34:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17806; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25284; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24179; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA26023 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 22 Dec 1997 05:34:31 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 22 Dec 1997 05:34:31 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Va licensing requirements Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 05:35:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT >Does anyone know how the rules work for licensing the smaller bikes on the >road in Virginia? I have a friend [already lectured] who recently had a run >in with the police after a few drinks. He will probably be losing his driving >priveledges to some extent. Can he still drive a moped or do you need a valid >license to do that? How big a "moped"? Scooters? Mark, in Virginia, if you lose your license to drive, it also applies to vehicles that you don't need a license for - mopeds included. A driving-age person on a moped (instead of a REAL vehicle) would probably arouse enough suspicion on the part of the local gens d'arme to provoke a spot check of his (or her) status. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 08:39:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17848; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25326; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24216; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05427 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:39:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28606 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712221339.IAA28606@clark.net> Subject: Dear Santa -- add NMSF to list? (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > From: "mobacc" > Subject: Dear Santa -- add NMSF to list? > Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:55:43 -0500 Since I'm an instructor for the MSF, I don't want to add too much more to sound like I'm trying to influence people (besides, Bill wrote an -excellent- post here), but I just wanted to comment that in order for donations to help the NMSF with their tax-deductible money for this year, they need to be postmarked no later than December 31st. (Based on a letter I received from the NMSF) Louis Caplan > Dear Santa, > > Going through some magazines, and a few things came together spurring me to > write this to you (no easy task finding time during this season) thinking > you might add to your list for next Wednesday night. > > In the January AMA 'American Motorcyclist' the article > "Motorcycle Fatalities Plummet" smiles about how the '96 motorcycle-related > fatalities figure dropped to a NHTSA reporting system low (since '75) of > 2,075. In the past ten years alone, they've dropped by 50%. (And per-mile > these must be even more impressive.) Rider-training programs heads the > story's list of probable driving forces. Not that I've been around that > long, but the stats spoke to me and certainly urge me on to more biking > (and they will hopefully appear in wider public forums). (Hmmm -- make you > want to think about a motorcycle, Santa, for reindeer backup?) > > Then, in the January 'Rider' magazine there appears a small paragraph > in the Editor's "Kickstarts" section headed "Help the NMSF". Apparently > the MSF-related National Motorcycle Safety Fund needs personal donations > (federal tax-deductible) to keep already-obtained corporate monies from > being grabbed by the IRS. > > I recalled how much the RSS and ERC courses have done for my > motorcycling entry and enjoyment; how well organized and professional the > MSF experiences have been; how the MSF has provided common ground for me to > evaluate safety discussions; and how the course costs (particularly matched > against the likes of comparable auto, pilot, even other skills, training) > have seemed close to miniscule for value received. > > So -- given AMA and 'Rider' sources I thought I'd send this to you and a > few others mentioning the NMSF need. They've done what has seemed pretty > good work for me, and motorcycling, this last year, and lots before, and I > understand this is their first wide request. [Help can be on a personal > check or MO payable to NMSF; to National Motorcycle Safety Fund, 2 Jenner > Street, Suite 150, Irvine, CA 92618-3806.] > > Oh, by the way, Santa, please be good to all the others on this fine list. > From what I've seen we've all tried to be good boys and girls this year. > > Bill Swanson (not an MC industry employee) > '96 Vulcan 500 LTD > Downtown DC > AMA, + > > Happy Holidays! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 09:31:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18380; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25598; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25106; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as3s20.erols.com [207.172.110.147]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11154; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:31:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712221431.JAA11154@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX, sbeck@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:33:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <85256575.003FA6FB.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > > BTW,anyone else here actually own a bike from the list they gave > you at the end? > ] > > Yes I got angry biker and it listed the V-max. > I also liked most of the bikes it did list for me. > > > > Yup. I got angry biker, and the top of the list was anything with a v twin made by the Harley folks here in the good old U S of A. :) :) you know what Id really really love? A fatboy. Chopped down real low so I could easily get my feet down. If I was rich, thats what id have. That would be my idea of heaven. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 09:55:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18697; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26094; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25455; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA22042; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:54:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA24035; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:54:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971222145449.VZLC215@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:54:49 -0600 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:47 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "dc-cycles" Subject: Manassass House, Was: 'Tis the season to get... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971222145449.VZLC215@[166.41.242.141]> It's a house on Lee Manor road advertised on the owners website to have more than 25,000 lites. Pretty cool. >From 234 out of Manassass, right on New Hastings, cross Lucasville, cross Clover Hill, turn left onto Shannon, second left on Lee Manor. Check it out. Get out of your cage or off your ride and look around. There is some pretty neat stuff. Todd George Howell wrote: >And now for the details Todd missed... I think appointing a minutes taker next time should fix this. >>George Howell (GS850) > >If only BMW made a GS in the 850 size. I actually have an R850R. I know >it's tough for you guys to remember the details on non-Japanese bikes. >I'd hate to see how you'd butcher the nomenclature on a Triumph:) Hey, I got the 850 right! Everything is a GS unless its a CB or an ST! >>After soaking in enough of the mayhem we mozyed back to the bikes and >>said goodbye to George, Sean and Hanna, and Don. That left me and >>crazy Jack (just kidding) to go to Manassass to witness a serious disregard >>for energy conservationism in the form of more than 25,000 lit-up christmas >>lights. Pretty cool! And it was worth the extra mileage too. > >While heading down Independence (?) there was much lane splitting. Todd, >followed by me, then Jack (the other two having already peeled off). >While poking along, song ignorant bitch (pardon my French) in a mini-van >decided she wasn't going to let us do this anymore. So right after Todd >passed her, she inched over. Luckily, the opposed cylinders on the R bike >didn't give her an ugly scratch down the side of her barge. Our mirrors, >however, had an intimate encounter. WHACK! Luckily, mine were black >plastic. I suppose hers being of the painted variety would be the reason >for the loud honk that should have occured right when Jack was passing >(who got quite a laugh out of the whole thing, it seems). We were heading down 15th st to Constitution. I do recall I was cutting a little close. Usually I won't attempt a split pass unless I can wiggle my mirrors past the parked cage. >Todd, got info on where you went in Manassass? My SO and I might do that >tomorrow night before she goes back to Ohio to see her parents. (See, >Hanna, I would have been a perfect gentleman) Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 10:11:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18913; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26493; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25815; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA25545; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA11834; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:11:09 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA11825; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:11:08 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0EA8.D9F700E0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:11:41 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Manassass House, Was: 'Tis the season to get... Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:08:17 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 75 TEXT There's a house in my part of town that looks fabulous. It's on South King's highway in Alexandria, parallel Route 1 South. If anyone wants directions, let me know. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC HAPPY HOLIDAYS! >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, December 22, 1997 6:47 AM >To: George Howell >Cc: dc-cycles >Subject: Manassass House, Was: 'Tis the season to get... > > >It's a house on Lee Manor road advertised on the owners website to >have more than 25,000 lites. Pretty cool. > >From 234 out of Manassass, right on New Hastings, cross Lucasville, >cross Clover Hill, turn left onto Shannon, second left on Lee Manor. > >Check it out. Get out of your cage or off your ride and look around. >There is some pretty neat stuff. > >Todd > >George Howell wrote: >>And now for the details Todd missed... > > I think appointing a minutes taker next time should fix this. > >>>George Howell (GS850) >> >>If only BMW made a GS in the 850 size. I actually have an R850R. I know >>it's tough for you guys to remember the details on non-Japanese bikes. >>I'd hate to see how you'd butcher the nomenclature on a Triumph:) > > Hey, I got the 850 right! Everything is a GS unless its a CB > or an ST! > > >>>After soaking in enough of the mayhem we mozyed back to the bikes and >>>said goodbye to George, Sean and Hanna, and Don. That left me and >>>crazy Jack (just kidding) to go to Manassass to witness a serious disregard >>>for energy conservationism in the form of more than 25,000 lit-up christmas >>>lights. Pretty cool! And it was worth the extra mileage too. >> >>While heading down Independence (?) there was much lane splitting. Todd, >>followed by me, then Jack (the other two having already peeled off). >>While poking along, song ignorant bitch (pardon my French) in a mini-van >>decided she wasn't going to let us do this anymore. So right after Todd >>passed her, she inched over. Luckily, the opposed cylinders on the R bike >>didn't give her an ugly scratch down the side of her barge. Our mirrors, >>however, had an intimate encounter. WHACK! Luckily, mine were black >>plastic. I suppose hers being of the painted variety would be the reason >>for the loud honk that should have occured right when Jack was passing >>(who got quite a laugh out of the whole thing, it seems). > > We were heading down 15th st to Constitution. I do recall I was > cutting a little close. Usually I won't attempt a split pass > unless I can wiggle my mirrors past the parked cage. > >>Todd, got info on where you went in Manassass? My SO and I might do that >>tomorrow night before she goes back to Ohio to see her parents. (See, >>Hanna, I would have been a perfect gentleman) > >Todd >+-----------------------------+---------------+ >| '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | >| '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | >| '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | >+-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 10:35:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19260; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:35:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27723; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26430; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.37.3.126] (1Cust68.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.245.68]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22803 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:34:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:34:32 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <349E0842.50B2@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Alarming Statistics [was Re: Two Questions...] I have to appologize for the snippy tone of my original post... I don't know why your post hit such a nerve. >Well, I've never kept a record until most recently, but I figure since >1971 I've ridden around 150,000 miles. Cool! I've been riding since '83, and have about 200,000 miles. Even rode all winter throughout college and a few years after that. [Gran'pa Simpson mode on] I'll never forget the time when I got caught in the snowstorm out in Western Maryland.... [Gran'pa Simpson mode off] >> Q) What do I qualify as an accident? >> A) Any time my bike hits the ground while moving. > >OK. That's a new definition. I think that anytime you or your machine is >damaged in any way in a vehicular mishap, whether or not it involves >another vehicle would constitute an "accident". If the bike remains >standing and is damaged it is probably still an accident. I can respect that interpretation. It has been my experience that the situation you describe is very rare. Although, just recently, my friend YT (svc. manager @ Rockville HD) told me of an accident by a customer in which his bike (a hi-$$$$ BMW touring bike) was struck by a deer. He had slowed down to reduce the risk as he passed the deer, but it freaked anyway, and ran head first into the side of his bike, hard enough to snap the deers neck. Did thousands of $$$ damage to the fairing, yet the rider didn't crash, retaining control of the bike. I'd say that qualifies as an accident! >Al, your original post led (not only) me to suppose that you were >involved in (many) mishaps involving other vehicles. I thought I had been pretty clear about which incidents were single vehicle and which were multiple vehicle. > >I'm glad to read that's not the case! Thanks for clearing it up. In spite of my tall tales, I'm actually a fairly safe rider, particularly when judged by miles driven. > >=============================================================================== > >>> Interesting statistics: In 15 years of MC riding I have had 7 non-racing >>> accidents. The first 3 were within 3 years of getting my liscence (2 >>> single vehicle, 1 struck by a car). The last 3 were within the last 2 >>> years (1 single vehicle, 2 struck by a car). I went 10 years with only 1 >>> accident caused by a BDC moving into my lane, and in some ways, it was my >>> fault: early AM commute, unfamiliar bike. >>> >>> However, in the same time frame, I've only had 2 car accidents, both within >>> the first 3 years of having my drivers liscence. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 10:35:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19265; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27719; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26416; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:34:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:34:43 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D6B@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'John Carver'" , "'Dave Choat'" Subject: Weekend MC Project Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:34:40 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain A weekend mod to my 1994 RF900rr that you all may find interesting/useful ... if not delete now. I decided that after 3 years of riding through DC winters (not that bad, actually) I would take the plunge into electrics and bought myself a pair of Widder lectric gloves. Being that I am the type that wants "instant gratification", I called a bunch of local bike shops to avoid waiting on mail order, and the only one that had them in stock was Bob's BMW (also the lowest price in the area, BTW) So off to Bob's I go on Friday night and while talking to the guys in the accessory area, I decide to go ahead and buy a BMW cigarette type lighter attachment to permanently mount to my bike. This is a great accessory and has an inline fuse to protect the bikes electrical system. I can also run the CD player through it, as well as a road side flashlight or a small air compressor for emergencies. I also got the BMW plug with large on/off switch. So I look for a place to mount the switch and decide on the lower left fairing on the inside plate. Needless to say, it mounts and looks GREAT. It mounts flush, looks like a factory install and has a spring loaded waterproof cap that flaps closed, like what you have on outdoor electrical sockets in your house! :-) I'll show you all on the next DC ride. Only problem with this was that the wires were not long enough to reach the battery from that point. So, off to Trak Auto for the wires and then (since I'm an electrics moron) to find someone who knows what they are doing to help me out with it. I called a couple of electics shops to no avail and then Crossroads Cycle in Falls Church, and they offered to have me come over and let me borrow their solder iron free of charge! When I got there, not only did they let me use the iron, but they ended up helping and teaching me how to do all the connections "right" so they will last. This was my first experience w/Crossroads, and they have a new customer now. Thanks for the help, Dennis! It is nice to find a shop where people will invite you into the shop and yak with you about stuff. I HIGHLY recommend Crossroads Cycle. They also offered the dremmel to cut out the hole to mount in the fairing. After a few rides (ended up being 300+ miles this weekend between family events and running back and forth to Bob's), I can say that the gloves are great. Just get on and plug into a lighter socket. No wires coming out from the seat, etc. Kinda makes me wonder why more bikes other than the Full tours, don't come with accessory plugs. Anyhow, just wanted to share the mod info with you all ... if anyone is interested, feel free to contact me about it ... I installed the whole set up in just a few hours. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 12:09:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21135; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29444; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29420; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA31589 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:15:48 -0500 Message-ID: <349E9E77.7C8325CE@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:08:08 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Va licensing requirements References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The information is accurate. If you lose your driver's license you aren't allowed to ride a moped. I've never been stopped while riding a moped, nor has my 17 year old son (at least not in Virginia). I've ridden past two Fairfax County cops on the shoulder, I've ridden past a Prince William County cop without wearing a helmet. What I haven't done is ride home from a bar at 1AM on one, that might get their attention, but for the most part, mopeds are ignored. They could probably issue a ticket for every moped they see, mine is way too fast, most are ridden by underage kids (kids old enough to ride a moped are also old enough for a driver's license), and perhaps a few are ridden by drunks who've lost their license. In my opinion, if you've lost your license, and you need transportation, you will arouse the least law enforcement attention by driving a car that is in good condition, not more than 10 years old, and not driving it between 10PM and 6AM. I strongly advise against getting a moped if you've lost your driver's license. You ought not ride a moped or a bicycle in traffic in the dark after drinking. The problem is that when you get killed doing it, the person who ran you over will feel guilty about it. You ought not put someone in that position. Leon. > >Does anyone know how the rules work for licensing the smaller bikes on the > >road in Virginia? I have a friend [already lectured] who recently had a run > >in with the police after a few drinks. He will probably be losing his > driving > >priveledges to some extent. Can he still drive a moped or do you need a > valid > >license to do that? How big a "moped"? Scooters? > > Mark, in Virginia, if you lose your license to drive, it also applies to > vehicles that you don't need a license for - mopeds included. > > A driving-age person on a moped (instead of a REAL vehicle) would > probably arouse enough suspicion on the part of the local gens d'arme to > provoke a spot check of his (or her) status. > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 12:29:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21541; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29668; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29895; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:22:38 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:27:31 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 'Tis the season Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: 'Tis the season We found the city to be filled with lights, from the Mormon Temple, to the red and green lights (mostly red) of Connecticut Ave., to the Christmas tree on the Elipse. The Mormon Temple looked spectacular rising out of the trees. The vision was made even more dear because the riders who showed up that night had to get past all the parking attendants waving lighted wands in their faces. Despite the infinite Christmas lights and the nativity scene, we stole a little of the show when our small group rolled past the kids on the way out. Despite the traffic, Connecticut Ave. wasn't all that bad. I was bringing up the rear, describing the different bikes to my sister Hannah, and was in a good position to watch Todd, George, Don and Jack use the red lights as staging lights for their own launches. In catching up to the group after the gas station, Jack and I did keep our wheels on the ground (I did, anyway). We did a double-pass of a minivan and other cars, with the TL1000 going left and the CBR going right. Todd should be the ambassador of our list. In addition to negotiating his way through the traffic outside the Uptown Theater, he talked the motorcycle police officers into giving us premium parking spaces at the National Tree. >>>>George Howell: Unfortunately, I couldn't convince Hanna that the pillion seat on the Beemer was MUCH more comfortable than the one on the CBR. Maybe next time;) Hannah had a great time. You guys were very accomodating. I'm sure she will look forward to going for another ride and trying other motorcycles. But, playing the boring big brother, I would prefer to bring her on relatively slow scenic rides rather than the typical bombing runs! :) Sean '95 CBR F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 12:47:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21852; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29800; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00391; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A7A82A400FE; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:47:20 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971222112829.00980420@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:28:29 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Dear Santa -- add NMSF to list? In-Reply-To: <199712220055.TAA13442@thehub.knight-hub.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:55 PM 12/21/97 -0500, mobacc wrote: > In the January AMA 'American Motorcyclist' the article >"Motorcycle Fatalities Plummet" smiles about how the '96 motorcycle-related >fatalities figure dropped to a NHTSA reporting system low (since '75) of >2,075. In the past ten years alone, they've dropped by 50%. (And per-mile >these must be even more impressive.) Must? If the figures they gave are for total fatalities, and motorcycle registrations are continuing to decline, then total fatalities would decline even if the fatality rate (fatalities per mile) remained the same. With a large enough drop in motorcycle registrations, the total fatalities could drop while the fatality rate actually increased. I'm not sure what the other figures are, but let's be real careful about reading only one side of the answer. I've seen the AMA quote total fatalities when they looked good, and quote the fatality rate when it looked good. As with many things, what is not said is often more important than what is said. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 13:08:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22209; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29948; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00994; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA14665 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:08:31 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma014637; Mon, 22 Dec 97 13:08:17 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA04548; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882813912; Mon, 22 Dec 97 13:05:14 -0500 Message-Id: <9712228828.AA882813912@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 13:03:15 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re[2]: 'Tis the season MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, My bike is only 500cc's - it's small, and I can't go fast.. let me give her a ride.. ;) - oh, wait.. I forgot, no rear pegs. nevermind. Brian - Scrappy sittin at home, unwilling to run :( ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Hannah had a great time. You guys were very accomodating. I'm sure she will look forward to going for another ride and trying other motorcycles. But, playing the boring big brother, I would prefer to bring her on relatively slow scenic rides rather than the typical bombing runs! :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 14:03:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23655; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00817; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02857; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:03:20 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <869071ea.349eb7e1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:56:31 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Remote, more ways than one. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I say: << .DAMN! WHERE'S THE CLICKER?! KING > OF THE HILL'S ON SOON! Squeakers retorts; you mean you allow other people to touch your remote? It actually moves around? You havent put it on the table next to YOUR chair and DARED anyone else to even TOUCH it?!?!?! Wow..... i thought that ALL men swore that the remote was a God given male right. At least thats what Pat TOLD me. Did he lie to me?!?!?! > >> No,dear. I have my own remote. NO one touches it. It sits waiting for me in MY chair, in the middle of the family room. The family won't watch tv with me anyway. They watch the Simpsons, King of the Hill, and any sit-com with children being disrespectful to their parents. Luckily, I developed "The Evil Eye" look years ago, so my clan dosen't try what they learned from tv on me. I watch public television and Deep Stace 9. While consuming my favorite beverage, lemonaide. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 14:17:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24012; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00927; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03274; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA25438; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA12997; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:16:36 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA12989; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:16:34 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0ECB.23157280@XXXXXX>; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:17:06 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'RDWOODJR'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Remote, more ways than one. Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:13:45 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 35 TEXT Wow, what a wild man! Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC HAPPY HOLIDAYS! >-----Original Message----- >From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, December 22, 1997 10:57 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Remote, more ways than one. > >I say: ><< > .DAMN! WHERE'S THE CLICKER?! KING > > OF THE HILL'S ON SOON! >Squeakers retorts; > > you mean you allow other people to touch your remote? It > actually moves around? You havent put it on the table next > to YOUR chair and DARED anyone else to even TOUCH it?!?!?! > Wow..... i thought that ALL men swore that the remote was a > God given male right. At least thats what Pat TOLD me. Did > he lie to me?!?!?! > > >> >No,dear. I have my own remote. NO one touches it. It sits waiting for me in >MY >chair, in the middle of the family room. The family won't watch tv with me >anyway. They watch the Simpsons, King of the Hill, and any sit-com with >children being disrespectful to their parents. Luckily, I developed "The Evil >Eye" look years ago, so my clan dosen't try what they learned from tv on me. >I >watch public television and Deep Stace 9. While consuming my favorite >beverage, lemonaide. >Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 15:10:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25267; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02081; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04966; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA26985 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:09:06 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma026966; Mon, 22 Dec 97 15:09:01 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id PAA06893; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA882821030; Mon, 22 Dec 97 15:06:15 -0500 Message-Id: <9712228828.AA882821030@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 15:00:58 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re[2]: Remote, more ways than one. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This from a LURKER! - besides, what's wrong with lemonade? Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Remote, more ways than one. Author: "Viteri Ursulina" at smtplink-micros Date: 12/22/97 11:13 AM Wow, what a wild man! Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC HAPPY HOLIDAYS! >-----Original Message----- >From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, December 22, 1997 10:57 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Remote, more ways than one. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 15:27:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25642; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02771; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05492; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (squeakers@XXXXXX [207.172.110.147]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08263; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:27:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712222027.PAA08263@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, RDWOODJR Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:30:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Remote, more ways than one. Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <869071ea.349eb7e1@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > No,dear. I have my own remote. NO one touches it. It sits waiting for me in MY > chair, in the middle of the family room. The family won't watch tv with me > anyway. They watch the Simpsons, King of the Hill, and any sit-com with > children being disrespectful to their parents. Luckily, I developed "The Evil > Eye" look years ago, so my clan dosen't try what they learned from tv on me. I > watch public television and Deep Stace 9. While consuming my favorite > beverage, lemonaide. > Richard > > Its sorta like that here at my house. I can have the TV during the day WHEN he's a work. As soon as he gets home, he announces himself, takes the remote... and the rest of the night is history for me, so I do other stuff. He'll sit there and go channel to channel to channel to channel. When he sees something that catches his eye, he'll watch that for about 5 minutes.. then its channel to channel to channel again. OR he'll put about 5 things on "jump" and keep jumping and jumping. IT DRIVES ME CRAZY!!!!! 'cept for wednesday nights. thats third rock from the sun. i WILL watch that, or he WILL pay and he will not turn it during commercials. period. btw what do ya put in that lemonade? vodka goes great with it, ya know. so YOU'RE the one that watches deep space nine!!!! Squeakers-polishin up leathers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 15:39:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25927; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03117; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05866; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0EEF.58C1CB30@XXXXXX>; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:36:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Hi all! Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:36:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 17 TEXT Dale said I should post a greetings to you all and introduce myself. I'm Dale's wife (insert groan here) and I get to put up with his antics first hand daily. He said he's going to have to behave himself or I'll know just how much he spends not working. I don't care - even when he's working he's not working - sort of like me. I have the Suzuki Savage you may have heard Dale complain/deny having/ etc. Haven't been on any rides with it yet - I rated as a "Sensible Rider" on that quiz. Oh well. Happy Holidays - one and all! Tracy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 15:47:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26158; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03196; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06145; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA12613 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca004.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.103]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA05204 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA004 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:48:22 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D70@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Hi all! Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:46:36 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Welcome Tracy!! BTW, what do you prefer ... old bikes or new bikes? Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: > tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX[SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 22, 1997 3:36 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Hi all! > > Dale said I should post a greetings to you all and introduce myself. > I'm > Dale's wife (insert groan here) and I get to put up with his antics > first > hand daily. He said he's going to have to behave himself or I'll know > just > how much he spends not working. I don't care - even when he's working > he's > not working - sort of like me. > > I have the Suzuki Savage you may have heard Dale complain/deny having/ > etc. > Haven't been on any rides with it yet - I rated as a "Sensible Rider" > on > that quiz. Oh well. > > Happy Holidays - one and all! > > > Tracy > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 15:51:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26341; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03216; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06245; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0EF1.1E840E40@XXXXXX>; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:48:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Hi all! Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:48:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 55 TEXT Short bikes - don't care if they are from WWI to now - just as long as I can touch the ground when I stop. ---------- From: Meier, Christopher[SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, December 22, 1997 3:46 PM To: Horstman, Tracy L @ MAN; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hi all! Welcome Tracy!! BTW, what do you prefer ... old bikes or new bikes? Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: > tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX[SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 22, 1997 3:36 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Hi all! > > Dale said I should post a greetings to you all and introduce myself. > I'm > Dale's wife (insert groan here) and I get to put up with his antics > first > hand daily. He said he's going to have to behave himself or I'll know > just > how much he spends not working. I don't care - even when he's working > he's > not working - sort of like me. > > I have the Suzuki Savage you may have heard Dale complain/deny having/ > etc. > Haven't been on any rides with it yet - I rated as a "Sensible Rider" > on > that quiz. Oh well. > > Happy Holidays - one and all! > > > Tracy > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 18:21:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29337; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05388; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10487; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id SAA12452; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA23066; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19971222232008.XHWL28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:20:08 -0600 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:04 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: CC: Subject: Re: Hi all! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971222232008.XHWL28757@[166.41.242.141]> Hi Tracy, Good to hear from you. I think you're the first Sensible Rider we've seen yet. Welcome in. Todd Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Hi all! Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:36:17 -0500 Encoding: 17 TEXT Dale said I should post a greetings to you all and introduce myself. I'm Dale's wife (insert groan here) and I get to put up with his antics first hand daily. He said he's going to have to behave himself or I'll know just how much he spends not working. I don't care - even when he's working he's not working - sort of like me. I have the Suzuki Savage you may have heard Dale complain/deny having/ etc. Haven't been on any rides with it yet - I rated as a "Sensible Rider" on that quiz. Oh well. Happy Holidays - one and all! Tracy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 19:01:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29797; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05753; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11220; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:01:21 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <1170490a.349efee5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:59:31 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi all! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Hi Tracy, Good to hear from you. I think you're the first Sensible Rider we've seen yet. Welcome in. Todd >> Goodliness! A woman that suffers a male motorcyclist. Surely goodness, and mercy, will follow her... Maybe he should let her lead. RDW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 19:18:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29979; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05915; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11495; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:18:33 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <88ff6ea.349f02d7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:16:21 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Remote, more ways than one. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Wow, what a wild man! Ursulina Viteri >> Hehehe. I'll bet I've done the "wild thangs" longer than some of you have been alive. Course, did them "wild thangs" a little while back. As the middle-class bastion of head-o-the-household strength, gotta an image to uphold. But, once outside, just like a dog, there is that certain glimmer in my eyes. Kinda like on the movie "The Shining". I'm home! Get yer 454 runnin. We'll ride next year. Maybe George Howell and I can take you on on a ride on RT 6, doin' the ton. Whataya say George? Maybe Budd's Creek road. Close to home for WFO. I need to find another "get outta jail free" card, since my cop riding buddy sold his CBR1100XX. Where's my lemonade! "Nature" is commin on soon! Wife! Rub my feet. As Daffy Duck said in a Warner Bros cartoon, haha, it is to laff! Forrest Gump said it best, after observing a can of mixed nuts, Boy, there's a lot of them in there! Overboard alarm! Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 21:02:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01159; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06551; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13196; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:02:01 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:49:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday morning ride report? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Just wondering but where is the Saturday morning ride report? Just itching to know what happened. (crazy) Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 21:18:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01435; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06612; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13405; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07382; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:18:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349F4A00.68@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:20:00 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: MEIERCH@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend MC Project Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Meier wrote: > A weekend mod to my 1994 RF900rr that you all may find > interesting/useful ... if not delete now. --> snip <-- > I called a couple of electics shops to no avail and then Crossroads > Cycle in Falls Church, and they offered to have me come over and let me > borrow their solder iron free of charge! When I got there, not only did > they let me use the iron, but they ended up helping and teaching me how > to do all the connections "right" so they will last. This was my first > experience w/Crossroads, and they have a new customer now. Thanks for > the help, Dennis! It is nice to find a shop where people will invite > you into the shop and yak with you about stuff. I HIGHLY recommend > Crossroads Cycle. They also offered the dremmel to cut out the hole to > mount in the fairing. --> snip <-- Chris, Thanks for a very interesting and informative post. That kinda mod sounds do-able on the ole' Interceptor too. I've been going to Crossroads for a while now - closest bike shop to the crib too... and Dennis is indeed a good guy. Even before Dennis took over, a couple years now I guess, it was truly a motorcyclist's motorcycle shop. No pretension. Straight and frank talk. An overall sense of honesty and commitment to bikes. I don't know how many times I've gone in there just to ask Dennis's advice on how to solve a problem. It's a great little shop - the type of establishment a biker would care to patronize. BTW, I think Dennis used to be with the Crow Bar Team... JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 22 21:27:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01494; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06764; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13521; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07594 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:24:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <349F4B59.4B30@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:25:45 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Merry Christmas Gang! 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