From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 08:48:56 1995 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:48:54 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: ELXN03A@XXXXXX (MR CLAUDE B NOLEN), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Re: Great Escape >and most people live wherever their vocation dictates... but... You >folks need to escape that frozen wasteland. After two years in the >BaltiWash metropolis, I moved to the Southwest. 1) Pay is better here. The Feds have money, they even pay me to play with their computers. I sure wish they had bikes to play with instead, but this will do. 2) It don't get cold here. . . I grew up in South Dakota. 3) If you were only here two years, you never gave it a chance. 4) I like all the challenges of riding, y'all don't have the challenges of DC city riding and the beltway with 4 lanes of traffic moving between 5 and 85 mph. 5) Things are closer together here, out there you have to ride all day to visit more than 2 states, out here I can get to 5 different states before noon. 6) and finally, "Dance with the one that brung ya" it's not where you ride, it's that you ride. Ride more often, have more fun! Leon. '83 Honda CX650 123K miles '78 Honda CB400A "Snow Byke" '83 Honda GL650I From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 09:34:14 1995 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:32:21 EST From: acoope00@XXXXXX (Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Addendum In my previous message in response to Justin Laubach, I mentioned that I loved my current saddlebags, but couldn't remember the brand. For those of you who have been waiting with bated breath all this time, they are Motoline, and I recommend them. D.C. Cooper Cooper@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 10:34:33 1995 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:34:24 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Re: Great Escape >What is os2bbs.com? >You Warped or what? No, I just hang out with guys that are. The os2bbs is the nation's largest os2 shareware bbs. Pete Norloff (pnorloff@XXXXXX), the guy that runs it is a sometime biker, his brother Chris (cnorloff@XXXXXX) and I have been riding together for about 6 years now. Pete is a biker-friendly Internet Service provider. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 12:31:45 1995 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:31:41 -0500 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dale Coyner Subject: Sunday Toy Run I'm meeting some fellow riders at Lorton Shell (just off I-95, a few miles south of the Beltway) at 10:30 a.m. to ride to the East Coast Harley Davidson Toy Run. If you're planning to get out this weekend, why not join us in the holiday spirit and come along?! Admission is a new toy or $7 and the event includes a police-escorted ride from Dumfries, VA to a children's home in Haymarket, VA where the toys will be delivered. Also included is food, bonfire, and lots of camraderie. All riders welcome, this is not a Harley-only event (I'm riding a Honda ST-1100). As I understand it, the event usually wraps up around 2 - 3 p.m. Would be nice to meet some others from the list. Hope to see you there. dale -------------------------------------------------------------- A bad day on the bike is better than a good day at the office. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 13:21:00 1995 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:20:55 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: DC CYCLIST Subject: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The sound of one's bike sliding along the road is sickening. I had always wondered what it would be like and now I know. I dumped today because my tires were not warm enough for the way I made a turn. I'm sharing this with you all so that perhaps it may help you in the future but also because it is somewhat theraputic for me, although it is very embarrasing. I've known that cold tires have poor traction especially on cold roads but I didn't think it would have been quite the factor it was for me today. Taking a right turn at a stop sign one block from my house, I got on the throttle a little too quickly coming out of my turn and ended up on my ass watching the bike slide about 10 feet in front of me. It happened very fast. As I leaned into the turn and started to accelerate I felt the bike lean farhter than I had expected and down I went. In a snap. Nothing was on the road and I've left that stop the same way many times prior to today. I simply had poor traction beacuse the tires were cold and I therefore should have been easier with the throttle. I came out of it with a sore right cheek, scraped right glove palm, and a scraped right boot. The bike has a scraped right case cover, flat spot on the brake lever, a scrape on the bar end mirror, and a loose right blinker light. Nothing major. Bummer about the glove though because I was planning on returning them because they aren't as warm as advertised and the stitching is not so great. Thankfully an ex-racer/rider stopped to see if I was OK and helped me look over the bike. I rode it around the parking lot nearby to make sure everything was alright and decided to ride the rest of the way to work mainly because I wanted to learn the lesson and put the incident out of my mind and get back on my "horse" ASAP. I found myself riding super tentatively to work which worries me as much as riding too confidently. Have a nice weekend all and don't forget about cold tires. Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 13:39:44 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 13:39:18 -0400 To: Marasco Newton Group From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Re: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ouch! It wasn't the CB-1, was it? Beautiful bike. I dropped my Hawk last winter while accelerating from a stop light. The front brake caliper had gotten sticky and was dragging. I had ordered the parts to rebuild it but had not received them. For some reason at this particular stop (I had probably gotten on the brakes hard before stopping and was first at the light) the caliper decided to lock up. When I accelerated, the front wheel unweighted, slid, and dumped me on my side. I was able to pick it up and get the caliper freed up a bit and ride home. Real bummer, though. On my way home last night I made a right turn from River Rd (West of Potomac, MD) onto Esworthy and crossed a huge lump of sand left by a truck after the snow, I guess. Lucky I wasn't going nearly as fast as I often make that turn. Riding in the winter is tricky, but I think it can teach you some valuable lessons about how to handle slick or unpredictable surfaces. Just don't push it like you can in the summer. Later, David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 13:53:31 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:52:54 -0500 To: mng@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. In a message dated 95-12-01 13:37:51 EST, mng@XXXXXX (Marasco Newton Group) writes: >Bummer about the glove though because I was >planning on returning them because they aren't as warm as advertised and >the stitching is not so great. Glad you are ok. Gloves are cheap compared to skin grafts. Steve From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 14:01:08 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. Date: Fri, 01 Dec 95 13:55:00 EST Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Bryndyn, you make an excellent point regarding cold tire traction and I appreciate you sharing it with us. Even experienced riders need to be reminded of the simple things once in a while, I'm just sorry you had to be reminded first hand. I'm glad your okay and that the bike isn't too bad off. Out of curiosity what type of gloves were they? You didn't seem too impressed by them and I think I'd like to avoid them if possible. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz, (1/2 an XS-1100H) Bryndyn, Sorry to hear about your fall...but I'm glad that you (*and* your bike) weren't seriously injured! This brings to mind a similiar incident that happened to me about 8 years ago in Va Beach. During a freak icestorm during the late afternoon (the weather was in the 50's that morning when I went to work), the temperature dropped to the low 20's and there was a severe ice storm that made even driving a cage extremely slippery, so needless to say, I was really concerned riding home from work on my bike. I was really concerned about black ice, having ridden in similiar situations in the past, I know how dangerous black ice can be. Anyway...I was *still* in the parking lot, which was wet but not frozen. I started the bike and slowly started to make my way across the lot when I noticed that the tires were "thumping" like they had a flat spot and it felt like I was riding on rims with no traction at all. The very first turn I took, the bike just slipped right out from underneath me...a very scary feeling indeed. Luckily, I wasn't going fast and my ego was more bruised than anything else. A scuffed pair of pants, a few scratches on my pegs and side mirror was all that was damaged. What was strange (at the time anyway) was that the road was almost *dry* where I layed it down but the tires were *rock solid*. Needless to say, I drove all the way home with my teeth clenched. (btw...ever notice that when one rides under pressure like that that one clenches their teeth and their lower back gets sore?). It was a LOOOONNNGGG ride home...and *NOT* a fun one. Be careful out there...mother nature can be really nasty to two wheelers! cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 15:42:18 1995 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:42:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: richwest@XXXXXX (Rich Westbrook) Subject: Re: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. >I dumped today because my >tires were not warm enough for the way I made a turn. I'm >sharing this with you all so that perhaps it may help you in the future >but also because it is somewhat theraputic for me, although it is very >embarrasing. I've known that cold tires have poor traction especially on >cold roads but I didn't think it would have been quite the factor it was >for me today. I am new to this list (just joined yesterday) and am also new to motorcycling. I bought my first bike and learned how to ride it last March, so I still have a lot to learn. This is a great forum to learn a lot of tips and info that is hard to get anywhere else. What is a good solution for avoiding the cold tire-cold road catasrophe? Rich From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 17:13:56 1995 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 17:13:49 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: Great Escape In-Reply-To: lucas.m@ix.netcom.com (Mark J. Lucas ) "Re: Great Escape" (Nov 30, 5:41pm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >>...I moved to the Southwest. We have sunshine >>every day and highs in the upper 70's....Get out while you can! > Sorry, I was there for college, and now my ex-wife, a cop, is there. Imagine being pulled over for a traffic violation by her...I bet it sends chills up and down your spine with visions of your license floating away... :) -- ******************************************************************************** Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Landover, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 17:47:47 1995 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 17:47:36 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Roberts Subject: Re: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-VMS-To: IN%"dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > From: IN%"mng@XXXXXX" "Marasco Newton Group" 1-DEC-1995 13:39:43.20 > Subj: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. Ouch! I went through the same thing three weekends ago. Came out of a right hand turn and went plop. Luckily only suffered a bruised right knee, and a bent brake pedal and brake lever. Just before I went down, I remember thinking to myself, "Gee, the tires feel squishy." Ted. From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 18:00:14 1995 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 18:00:06 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: This mailing list - Re: Cold tires+cold road In-Reply-To: richwest@cais.cais.com (Rich Westbrook) "Re: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass." (Dec 1, 3:42pm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Dec 1, 3:42pm, Rich Westbrook wrote: > I am new to this list (just joined yesterday) and am also new to > motorcycling...This is a great forum to learn a > lot of tips and info that is hard to get anywhere else. Did I hear someone say that this mailing list isn't serving it's intended purpose? :) -- ******************************************************************************** Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Landover, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 1 18:00:20 1995 To: richwest@XXXXXX (Rich Westbrook) cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 01 Dec 1995 15:42:12 -0500. Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 17:47:25 -0500 From: Phil Kester On Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:42:12 -0500 Rich Westbrook wrote: > I am new to this list (just joined yesterday) and am also new to > motorcycling. I bought my first bike and learned how to ride it last > March, so I still have a lot to learn. This is a great forum to learn a > lot of tips and info that is hard to get anywhere else. What is a good > solution for avoiding the cold tire-cold road catasrophe? The first thing you should do is TAKE THE MSF COURSE! Sorry for shouting, but this course is the best thing you can do for yourself as a first time rider. From there you can go to the advanced course (Experienced Rider Course [ERC]) and, if you really want to extend your riding skills, Reg Pridmore's CLASS. Below is the blurb from the rec.moto FAQ on MSF. Phil Kester -------------------------[snip]----------------------- The first thing you will want to do before buying a bike is to take the Motorcycle Safety Foundation course. The course is multi-session (over 1-4 days) and involves both classroom and riding. Even if you have ridden before or have already started riding now you should take the basic class. Experienced professionals teach you how to ride, turn, break, accident avoidance, etc. ie.generally how not to get crunched. You DON'T need a dmv permit/license to take the class, and motorcycles and helmets will be provided. Call 1-800-447-4700 (national) or 1-800-cc-rider (CA) to find out where to take it. Cost is $50-150 depending on age and location, whatever the price, it is well worth it. If you ignore all the advice here, don't ignore this one, your health insurance company may later thank you! Next year you can take the advanced class. From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 3 17:04:11 1995 From: Amir Naini Subject: unsubscribe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 17:03:21 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please remove me from the mailing list. Thanks. -- Amir Naini Graduate Department of Biochemistry Brandeis University Waltham, MA 02254 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 01:56:41 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 01:56:35 -0500 (EST) From: Williams Consulting To: Marasco Newton Group cc: DC CYCLIST Subject: Re: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FYI - I just put a set of _super_ sticky Dunlop 364's on my 900SS and road out to Dulles (from College Park) at 1:00am in 25 degree weather. I arrived at my destination and felt the tires and they were _hot_ (very warm to the touch). I road today in the rain (Sunday) and I could barely get the rear wheel to lock up (testing traction). These tires won't last very long but I love them so far! I normally ride MEZ1 (Metzler) on the Duck and I use Battlaxe's on the CBR 900 and neither are confidence inspiring in the cold or rain (but the MEZ's are great summer tires). Happy Moto-ing Jim Look for Army of Darkness in '96! Wera Natl Endurance Series YZF 600 95 CBR 900 RRrrrrrr.... (sick sick sick) 92 900 SS 90 YSR 50 71 CB 750 ________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ James Williams, Director V 703-591-8800 Williams Consulting, Inc. F 301-513-9617 <<<< ims@XXXXXX >>>> ________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 09:52:30 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 09:46:00 EST Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 > What is a good solution for avoiding the cold tire-cold road catasrophe? Yes, take the MSF course if you have not already done so. As far as your specific question above, ride gently for a few miles so the tires have a change to warm up. If you are going to do some aggressive sport riding, I have seen people do a gentile weaving sweep while riding to warm up the side walls. I don't know if there is validity in this behavior but if you try it, let the tires warm up a little before you start the weave. Also, pay very close attention to ice when it is cold. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz, (1/2 an XS-1100H) 1-800-Join-AMA, Ride with Pride From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 10:13:16 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:13:11 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. In-Reply-To: <199512011904.AA21432@medlantic.mhg.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, McLoone, William J. wrote: > off. Out of curiosity what type of gloves were they? You didn't seem too > impressed by them and I think I'd like to avoid them if possible. > > Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz, (1/2 an XS-1100H) > notes in his .sig: > 1-800-Join-AMA, Ride with Pride The correct phone number for the AMA is 1-800-AMA-JOIN. It's a common mistake, as it makes more sense the other way around. I bet the folks with this other number would agree with how common a mistake it is. ;-) Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500C, 76 CJ360 |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 2-75 RE5 KAW: 72 H2 "More bikes than brains!" From owner-dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mon Dec 4 10:46:34 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:21:29 -0500 From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, wjm1@XXXXXX Subject: AMA contact info (was Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass.) "McLoone, William J." notes in his .sig: > 1-800-Join-AMA, Ride with Pride The correct phone number for the AMA is 1-800-AMA-JOIN. It's a common mistake, as it makes more sense the other way around. I bet the folks with this other number would agree with how common a mistake it is. ;-) Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500C, 76 CJ360 |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 2-75 RE5 KAW: 72 H2 "More bikes than brains!" From owner-dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mon Dec 4 11:05:00 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:13:11 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. In-Reply-To: <199512011904.AA21432@medlantic.mhg.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, McLoone, William J. wrote: > off. Out of curiosity what type of gloves were they? You didn't seem too > impressed by them and I think I'd like to avoid them if possible. > > Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz, (1/2 an XS-1100H) > Organization: University of Crete, Dept. of Computer Science, P.O.Box 1470, Heraklio, Crete, GR-71110 GREECE tel: +30(81)210057, fax: +30(81)210012, tlx: 262389 CCI Subject: MSF course question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:05:42 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello there I am new to this list (and to motorcycling in general) so I could use a safety course. I live in Greece and here there is not such a thing. I heard that the MSF course includes both 'writen' and 'riding' lessons. Is there a way to get the non-riding material of the course?? Thanks in advance for any info. Grigoris Prasinos "Complicated systems have a tendency to resist to their operation" - From Murphy's Law Try out http://www.cc.uch.gr/~green/ ! From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 11:15:17 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:15:55 -0500 (EST) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: "McLoone, William J." cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. In-Reply-To: <199512041456.AA16712@medlantic.mhg.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here's an answer and a quick question: 1) driving will heat up your tires. to avoid dumping on cold (therefore "unsticky") tires, drive a while to warm them up (sweeping turns will help. 2) question: on a car it is legitimate to let some air out of the tires to increase traction. (i could make an educated guess why, but won't) Doing so does decrease mileage and letting too much air out risks baking your tires. So, can you do the same with a motorcycle? -- only for in-town? -- will driving faster heat up the tires and make up for lost pressure for long drives? just wondering. john thank you for your continued support From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 11:33:31 1995 To: Grigoris Prasinos cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF course question In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 04 Dec 1995 18:05:42 +0200. <199512041606.AA14293@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 11:24:33 -0500 From: Phil Kester On Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:05:42 +0200 (EET) Grigoris Prasinos wrote: > I live in Greece and here there is not such a thing. > I heard that the MSF course includes both 'writen' and 'riding' lessons. > Is there a way to get the non-riding material of the course?? You can contact MSF and have them send you _Excellence in Motorcycling_. This is by far the best book I've ever seen regarding moto safety. In fact, it is the book the instructors use. I'll send the isbn number when I get home. Phil Kester From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 11:49:26 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: John Blaine Godfrey Cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 11:43:00 EST Encoding: 35 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 John asked: >2) question: on a car it is legitimate to let some air out of the tires >to increase traction. (i could make an educated guess why, but won't) >Doing so does decrease mileage and letting too much air out risks baking >your tires. >So, can you do the same with a motorcycle? >-- only for in-town? >-- will driving faster heat up the tires and make up for lost pressure >for long drives? Well, I am by no means a motorcycle or tire expert. It seems to me that due to the fact that balance and traction are so critical on a motorcycle, it would not be a good idea to decrease tire pressure. When you do you change the characteristics of the bike and tire which where specifically designed to operate together at the specified psi. Remember the MC doesn't have the 4 point stability of a car so tires are much more critical and less forgiving. Driving faster on tires with low pressure will only increase you chance of eating concrete. Remember that tire pressure is to be checked when cold and the specs take into account the friction heat that will expand the air volume. I can't see how operating at a higher speed will effect the new air volume significantly. I've learned that when my tires are low I can feel the mushy-ness and don't feel comfortable at all. Tire pressure should be checked frequently and I check mine before almost every ride. Others may be more knowledgeable and if my comments seem out of wack feel free to get the group on track. Bill McLoone, GS-450, XS-1100H 1-800-join-AMA, Ride with Pride From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 12:24:11 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: DC-Cycles List Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:28:51 PST Subject: Re: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > -- will driving faster heat up the tires and make up for lost pressure > for long drives? If you underinflate your tires, they will heat up so much that you make up for the lower pressure and then some. So you wind up with more heat and pressure than the tires were designed to take. That makes you more vunerable for tire failure and premature wear. That's what I heard some years ago at a tire seminar at a major rally. The advice was to always follow the tire and bike manufacturers' recommendations. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 12:47:26 1995 From: Michael Majzel To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:31:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I am new to this list (just joined yesterday) and am also new to >motorcycling. I bought my first bike and learned how to ride it last >March, so I still have a lot to learn. This is a great forum to learn a >lot of tips and info that is hard to get anywhere else. What is a good >solution for avoiding the cold tire-cold road catasrophe? >Rich Rich, I will try to answer your question. First, I have been riding for almost 25 years and coming up on the 500,000 road mile mark. One thing you NEVER can forget when on a motorcycle is the road. In a car you don't necessarily think about what's on the road or if it is hot or cold. On a motorcycle you need to think about this 100% of the time. Look for oil, water, spilled fuel, anything that looks unusual. All these things can put you down - fast. When riding in cold weather you will never have the traction that you have in warm weather. The tar in the asphalt never gets warm enough to get sticky. Your tires will warm up, but they too will need longer riding times to do so. The tires will never get up to the same temperatures in cool weather as in warm. Also when you stop, even if for a short period of time, the tires will cool down fast. What I'm trying to say is that you need to ride with a little more finesse in the corners and when breaking and accelerating. Ride somewhat as if the road was wet. There is no problem with riding in the cold, you just have to compensate for the conditions. Hope this helps, Mike From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 13:58:24 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: MSF course question Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 12:40:00 EST Encoding: 703 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >> I live in Greece and here there is not such a thing. >> I heard that the MSF course includes both 'writen' and 'riding' lessons. >> Is there a way to get the non-riding material of the course?? >You can contact MSF and have them send you _Excellence in Motorcycling_. >This is by far the best book I've ever seen regarding moto safety. In >fact, it is the book the instructors use. I'll send the isbn number >when I get home. The book was written by the MSF and is published by Whitehorse Press Motorcycle Books. You can order directly with a credit card by calling 800-531-1133 or 603-356-6556. If you can't reach them via phone their address is: Whitehorse Press 3424 North Main Street North Conway, New Hampshire 03860-0060 USA They have a wonderful selection of motorcycle books and videos and I'm sure they will be glad to send you their catalog. I don't think any of us here suspected you where in Greece since this list is a local riders list for Washington, DC. You are more than welcome to participate but you may also like to subscribe to Motolist which is a real friendly general motorcycling mailing list with an international flavor. Most participants are in the Mid Western US with national representation scattered about. Recently their has been an increase in international subscribers but they are mostly in Europe. The Motolist subscribing information is in this list below. This is a list of MC related mailing list and you may find something else in there that you like as well. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz, XS-1100H 1-800-AMA-join, Ride with Pride ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This is the Oct 1 1995 posting of all known motorcycle-related mailing lists available via Internet electronic mail. 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Use the "TO SUBSCRIBE:" line as your guide, and check your spelling! Don't include the quotation marks, parentheses, etc. - just the information within them. If you have difficulty subscribing via the automated process and wish to reach a human for help, try mailing to the "LIST OWNER:" address. Some of the lists provide some access via the WorldWide Web. This is indicated in the "WWW URL" line above. If you don't know what this means, please ask your system administrator. Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG DoD#0432 1KQSPI=8.80 carlp@XXXXXX Olivetti North America carlp@XXXXXX Spokane, Washington, USA voice: (509) 927-5439 0700-1600 M-F http://mom.isc-br.com/~carlp/ FAX: (509) 921-2622 24 hrs. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 14:17:41 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 14:17:36 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Cold tires+cold road = pain in ass. In-Reply-To: <1C670245A0A@bayview.dt.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho wrote: > > -- will driving faster heat up the tires and make up for lost pressure > > for long drives? > > If you underinflate your tires, they will heat up so much that you > make up for the lower pressure and then some. So you wind up with > more heat and pressure than the tires were designed to take. That > makes you more vunerable for tire failure and premature wear. I'm not sure about your point here. I think that if you underinflate your tires when they are cold, which I think racers regularly do, the tires will heat up a little quicker, but only to the point where tire pressure reaches some state of equilibrium. As the tire heats up, the contact patch reduces and therefore the tire heats up less, until the point where the tire won't heat up any more. I think the greater factor though is how the rubber changes as a result of the tempurature. What the idea in the previous post suggests is that once the tire heats up to certain point, the tire compound become so soft and sticky that it effectively increases the contact patch so much that tire keeps getting hotter. I do not however recommend underflating you tires just to heat them up faster. Racers don't stop at intersections where tires can cool down. Obviously if you greatly underinflate the tires, that lost pressure cannot be made up for. If you were to inflate your street tires to the recommended pressure and go out on the track, your tire pressure would be quite a bit higher than the optimum. I don't believe that if you went on the track with a few psi less in your tires that the ending tire pressure would be greater than the previous run. Of course my theory only takes into account how a tire heats up relative to its contact patch and not other variables that contribute to tire heating. If a racer does not underinflate the tires enough the heat generated even from the optimum contact patch size will result in excessively high tire pressures. On the other extreme, over-inflated tires won't heat up as quickly and won't dynamically adapt to the road surface and lean angle. That is, the tire tread distorts somewhat when you lean the bike through a turn. If the tire is overinflated (or in my case cold and therefore more rigid) it will distort less and the contact patch is reduced. An overinflated tire also can't change form as easily when riding over pebbles and imperfections in the road. But hey, I'm not a racer nor do I ride like one, and I'm only theorizing, but I use the racing example because it provides the extreme situations. I know there is at least one racer on this list and I'm interested to hear a racer's perspective. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 15:47:43 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 15:51:00 EST To: wjm1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Cold tires, tire pressures, etc. Arrrgh! The amount of misinformation generated on this topic of tire inflation and cold weather boggles the mind. First: DON'T reduce your tire pressures. The dynamics of car tires and bike tires are completely different (and, actually, its really not very fruitful to lower tire pressures in the snow for cars, either). Cars don't roll over onto the "sides" of the tires in a corner, bikes do. Make your tires nice and soft, lean over in a corner, and you'll really enjoy the feel of the bike as the sidewall rolls over, followed closely by the rest of the bike, and you. Second: Racers DON'T reduce tire pressures to make the tire run hotter and the tread softer. The last thing a racer needs is the tire getting any hotter: at sustained high speeds, racing tires get plenty hot enough, thank you. Much of the improvements in racing tire technology over the years has been related to making tires that don't build up so much heat (that's why the tread is thin and the sidewalls are short), and in developing rubber compounds that can take the heat buildup without turning into goo. Racing tires (and street tires, too, although not as obviously) are designed for optimum performance at certain tire temperatures. Depending on the weight of the bike & rider, the speed of the track (and bike), the friction of the asphalt, the air and track temperature, and a bunch of other factors, tire pressures may be adjusted to stay within that temperature range. High performance tires (street or track) are optimized for best traction at relatively high tread temperatures. When the tread gets cold (real cold, like in the winter), the rubber is operating well outside its design parameters. The rubber will grip less well, period. In the auto world, all season tires are made from tread compounds that are designed to perform reasonably well in a wide range of temperatures. Snow tires are optimized for cold weather, which is the main reason they wear so fast if you leave them on year around: the compound just gets too soft at high temperatures. (O.K., its really more complicated than that, but temp is the big factor). Extra high performance tires (like Pirelli P-Zeros), which are the closest kin to bike tires, I suspect, are optimized for high temp use, and virtually turn to glass at subfreezing temperatures. Are there any motorcycle equivalents to all season tread compounds? I don't know. Touring tires might come close, since they are designed for longer tire life, but a big touring bike on the highway probably heats the tires pretty badly, too. My advice would be to keep your tires properly inflated (which means ADDING air in the winter, since inflation pressure goes down with temperature, and ride much more conservatively, even after you think your tires are heated up. Either that, or fall down a lot. Hope this is useful, Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 16:57:06 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:56:57 -0500 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dale Coyner Subject: Re: MSF course question At 12:40 04/12/95 EST, you wrote: >[Whitehorse has] a wonderful selection of motorcycle books and videos and I'm >sure they will be glad to send you their catalog. FWIW, Whitehorse also has a CompuServe ID. It's 75030.2554. (Be sure to ask about their latest offering "Motorcycle Journeys Through the Appalachians." I must confess, I have a vested interest in the success of this book...) dale -------------------------------------------------------------- A bad day on the bike is better than a good day at the office. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 4 22:13:41 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:13:37 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cold tires, tire pressures, etc. In-Reply-To: <9512041547.21813.AA@occshost.nlm.nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Dec 1995 Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX wrote: > Second: Racers DON'T reduce tire pressures to make the tire run > hotter and the tread softer. The last thing a racer needs is the tire > getting any hotter: at sustained high speeds, racing tires get plenty > hot enough, thank you. Much of the improvements in racing tire > technology over the years has been related to making tires that don't > build up so much heat (that's why the tread is thin and the sidewalls > are short), and in developing rubber compounds that can take the heat > buildup without turning into goo. > > Racing tires (and street tires, too, although not as obviously) are > designed for optimum performance at certain tire temperatures. > Depending on the weight of the bike & rider, the speed of the track > (and bike), the friction of the asphalt, the air and track > temperature, and a bunch of other factors, tire pressures may be > adjusted to stay within that temperature range. Unfortunately my last post was submitted unintentionally. I wrote a bunch of stuff and then postponed it so I could mull over it. Needless to say some of the content was mal-phrased. When I referred to racers "underinflating" thier tires I didn't mean to imply that this is done to help the tires heat up. It was my understanding, or perhaps misunderstanding, that racing tires can increase in pressure by as much as 10% due to heat and that racers therefore adjust the cold inflation pressures accordingly. I think that is also what Robert is saying in the second paragraph above. I hope I didn't stear people to far from reality with other portions of my post as I may have with this portion. Thank you Robert for clarifying this. BTW, for those of you thinking that incorrect tire pressure is what may have caused my fall, I checked it and both tires were correct. Pilot error folks. Not enough time in the simulator. Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 10:03:55 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Appalachians (wasRe: MSF course question) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 95 10:00:00 EST Encoding: 11 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >FWIW, Whitehorse also has a CompuServe ID. It's 75030.2554. (Be sure to >ask about their latest offering "Motorcycle Journeys Through the >Appalachians." I must confess, I have a vested interest in the success of >this book...) Dale, are you the author or something? Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz, XS-1100H 1-800-AMA-Join, Ride with Pride From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 11:56:24 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: Two questions... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:51:07 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text First question: can someone mail the list of moto-lists to me or tell me where it is stored? Second question: when is bike week taking place in Daytona next year? thanks, dan -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 13:31:28 1995 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:30:49 -0500 (EST) From: Janet Gunn To: Dan Cook cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Two questions... In-Reply-To: <9512051651.AA21975@factotum.rmc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Dan Cook wrote: > First question: can someone mail the list of moto-lists to me or tell > me where it is stored? I saw it recently on rec.moto.racing. Probably on rec.moto too. > > Second question: when is bike week taking place in Daytona next year? > Approx, Mar 3 - 10 Janet Gunn WERA, CCS, AHRMA (and ex-AAMRR) #671 MARRC#18 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 14:10:47 1995 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:10:46 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Re: Two questions... At 11:51 12/5/95 -0500, Dan Cook wrote: >First question: can someone mail the list of moto-lists to me or tell >me where it is stored? http://mom.isc-br.com/WL/mmlo.txt has a good list of them. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 15:54:37 1995 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:54:33 -0500 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dale Coyner Subject: Re: Appalachians At 10:00 05/12/95 EST, you wrote: >>FWIW, Whitehorse also has a CompuServe ID. It's 75030.2554. (Be sure to >>ask about their latest offering "Motorcycle Journeys Through the >>Appalachians." I must confess, I have a vested interest in the success of >>this book...) >Dale, are you the author or something? Yes, I must confess that I am. It's been a long project, nearly five years (started 1/1/91). "Appalachians" is expected to arrive from the printer this week! Just FYI, it contains about 35 day-long rides organized around seven base camps between Gettysburg, PA and Brevard, NC, with four or five rides per camp. I was waiting to actually get the books in hand before I posted anything on the list, but I'll be offering them for sale myself as well as from Whitehorse (and other mc-related catalogs). They'll be $20 ppd. When I take delivery of my copies, I'll post more info. dale -------------------------------------------------------------- A bad day on the bike is better than a good day at the office. From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 5 16:33:26 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Appalachians Date: Tue, 05 Dec 95 16:27:00 EST Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >Yes, I must confess that I am. It's been a long project, nearly five years >(started 1/1/91). "Appalachians" is expected to arrive from the printer >this week! Just FYI, it contains about 35 day-long rides organized around >seven base camps between Gettysburg, PA and Brevard, NC, with four or five >rides per camp. Dale, it sounds like a nice book with an assortment of rides sort of local-ish to the DC area. I for one would be interested in purchasing your work. When it becomes available please let me know how I should order one that will be the most advantageous to you. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz, (1/2 an XS-1100H) considering an '82 KZ-750: comments welcome 1-800-AMA-join, Ride with Pride From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 10:05:14 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 07:09:33 PST Subject: Re: Weird Cold tire theory Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho wrote: > > > -- will driving faster heat up the tires and make up for lost pressure > > > for long drives? > > > > If you underinflate your tires, they will heat up so much that you > > make up for the lower pressure and then some. So you wind up with > > more heat and pressure than the tires were designed to take. That > > makes you more vunerable for tire failure and premature wear. > > Obviously if you greatly underinflate the tires, that lost pressure > cannot be made up for. If you were to inflate your street tires to the > recommended pressure and go out on the track, your tire pressure would be > quite a bit higher than the optimum. I don't believe that if you went on > the track with a few psi less in your tires that the ending tire pressure > would be greater than the previous run. A tire company rep at a rally (around 1982) made that claim. He said that an underinflated tire would get so hot that the heated air in the tires would expand and exceed the pressure of a properly inflated tire. I do not know the credentials of the guy who made this claim. I have a problem with this theory too. If the pressure increased that much, wouldn't the tire begin to cool off when the pressure reached what it should be? The rep may have confused the dangers of underinflation with the "ten percent rule." This rules claims that if your tires are properly inflated, the pressure at operating temperature will rise ten percent above the cold pressure. If it rises more than ten percent, it's underinflated. More than ten percent, overinflated. Does anybody know if this "rule" is valid? I checked this claim a couple of times. Following the tire manufacturer's suggested air pressure, the warm pressure did rise ten percent above the cold pressure. I have not thought about it in years. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 10:23:26 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 07:15:45 PST Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cold tires, tire pressures, etc. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > My advice would be to keep your tires properly inflated (which means > ADDING air in the winter, since inflation pressure goes down with > temperature, It's also a good idea to check the pressure when there is a big change in the barometric pressure (a "high" or "low" pressure weather system). Of course, when you go on a long cross-country trip, the altitude change will also alter your air pressure. So when you take a summer tour of Rockies, (Doesn't that sound good right now?) check your air pressure every day of your vacation. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 6 13:13:05 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 13:17:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Weird Cold tire theory >A tire company rep at a rally (around 1982) made that claim. He said >that an underinflated tire would get so hot that the heated air in >the tires would expand and exceed the pressure of a properly inflated >tire. I do not know the credentials of the guy who made this claim. I think maybe there is some confusion with Air temperature (in the tire, which affects pressure), and tread temperature (which affects traction, tire wear, and safety. An under inflated tire flexes more on each rotation, because the weight of the bike makes the sidewalls bulge and the tread flatten as each part of the tire rotates to the point where it is support the weight (and the reverse at each point rotates away from the load). This flex causes internal friction in the tire, which causes heat build up in the rubber. I can't prove, but rather doubt, that enough of this heat transfers to the aid in the tire to raise the pressure above what standard pressures would be. Logically, once the tire reached recommended pressure, the excess tread flex would stop, and conditions would reach some sort of equilibrium. My $.02 worth. Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 07:25:54 1995 From: "Hawkins, Kevin" Date: 7 Dec 95 07:26:00 -0500 Original-From: "Hawkins, Kevin" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Cold Tire Theory Original-Date: Thu Dec 07 07:26 EST 1995 Encoding: 24 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Type: text >>The rep may have confused the dangers of underinflation with the "ten >>percent rule." This rules claims that if your tires are properly >>inflated, the pressure at operating temperature will rise ten percent >>above the cold pressure. If it rises more than ten percent, it's >>underinflated. More than ten percent, overinflated. Does anybody know >>if this "rule" is valid? Yep, I've heard of this one too Bruce! Seems like this one was making the rounds on Dale Coyner's old motorcycle BBS a couple of years ago. It's probably a good rule of thumb, nothing more. I'll tell ya what folks, if you have questions about proper tire inflation for your tire/bike application call the tire manufacturer and ask. Dunlop (800) 845-8378 Metzeler (800) 722-3336 Pirelli (610) 458-9662 Michelin (803)458-6053 Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC AMA #609423 // khawkins@XXXXXX '95 900CR (Desmo) // '93 GTS1000 (RADD Boy) From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 7 17:11:17 1995 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 95 17:11:46 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Charging Problem Fixed Thanks for all the ideas when I posted my charging problem. It turned out to be the brushes in the alternator. I guess spending all that time sitting (with the previous owner) had corroded the contact area. I polished it up with some real fine sandpaper (about 400 grit I think) and my charging system now works fine. Now, it *could* put out more power; it's only a 240 watt system. Rather anemic by today's standard. Anybody hazard some ideas for adding electricity generation capability? The best I've come up with so far is to attach a pulley and belt to the 'dry' end of the crankshaft and run a separate, externally mounted alternator. What do you think? warmly, Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 07:41:16 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 07:41:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Aerostich/Reflective Vests on Navy Bases I have been wearing a red Aerostich Roadcrafter one-piece suit on base here (Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center) until this morning, believ- ing that it would pass the regulation for a "brightly colored outer garment with reflective material..." This belief was shared by the security personel until a memo was issued specifically condemning "reflective jump- suits" as unacceptable. I believe my suit more than meets the intent of the regulation, although I have not read the specific Navy regulation. For at least the last 10 years, we have had no enforcement of the vest rule. I would like to survey anyone who works at a Navy base of any kind where you have to pass through a security gate. Is a vest required? Enforced? Can you be issued one on-base? Have you been able to wear an Aerostich or other jacket or suit with reflective material (and what color is it)? Thanks for your help, David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 08:27:05 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <9512111241.AA20080@oasys.dt.navy.mil> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.0) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:32:52 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aerostich/Reflective Vests on Navy Bases You wrote: > I have been wearing a red Aerostich Roadcrafter one-piece suit = on > base here (Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center) = until > this morning, believ- ing that it would pass the regulation for = a > "brightly colored outer garment with reflective material..." = This > belief was shared by the security personel until a memo was = issued > specifically condemning "reflective jump- suits" as = unacceptable. I > believe my suit more than meets the intent of the regulation, > although I have not read the specific Navy regulation. For at = least > the last 10 years, we have had no enforcement of the vest rule. For $10 in the base post, you can get a jogger's vest which is = what I used. I had no problems getting on and off post with that. = I found the vest sorta useless. You aerostitch has more = relective material than what a cheezy vest does. I think the rule intends for you to buy one of the $50 = reflectives like what they use on the flight line. =20 Bases in order of stringent rules enforcement for motorcycles = are: Navy, Army, Air Force. The Navy loses a lot of people every year to bike accidents so = they are real sticklers about safety and such. I remember once I was on a navy base going the 25 mph posted speed = limit, and a patrol car started following me. I raced my speed up = to 26 mph just to see what he would do. Needless to say i got a = talking to... --- Thomas Piergallini 3Com Primary Access Network Engineer EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me NeXTmail and MIME= From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 09:07:33 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:07:00 -0500 To: mackinto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aerostich/Reflective Vests on Navy Bases In a message dated 95-12-11 07:56:10 EST, mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) writes: > I believe my suit more than meets the intent of the >regulation, although I have not read the specific Navy regulation. For at >least the last 10 years, we have had no enforcement of the vest rule. > >I would like to survey anyone who works at a Navy base of any kind where >you have to pass through a security gate. I was pulled over on an Air Force base in England for not wearing my gas mask while riding a motorcycle to work during an alert training exercise. I considered trying to explain the irrationality of it but I figured it would be pointless. Good luck with the Navy. Steve From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 10:16:38 1995 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:16:09 -0500 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: race@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: The Mid Atlantic Road Racing Clubs's Schedule The 1996 MARRC "Tentative" Calendar & Other Events are as follows; 1/20/96 Annual Meeting & Awards Banquet (Westpark Hotel, Tyson's Corner) 1/26-28/96 Baltimore Bike Show (Baltimore Convention Center) 3/17/96 Safety Crew Race Emergency School 4/6/96 MARRC Safty Crew work day 4/13-14/96 WERA Sprints 5/9/96 Tune & Test Day (for info call 301-933-2599) 5/11/96 MARRC Road Racing School 5/11-12/96 CCS Sprints 5/24-26/96 WERA National weekend 6/14/96 MARRC Track Day 6/15/96 MARRC Road Racing School 6/15-16/96 CCS Sprints 6/17/96 Cycle Sport Day (for info call 703-471-6990) 7/20/96 MARRC Road Race School 7/20-21/96 CCS Sprints 8/1/96 Tune & Test Day (for info call 301-933-2599) 8/3-4/96 WERA Spints 9/14/96 MARRC Road Race School 9/14-15/96 CCS Sprints 9/16/95 Cycle Sport Day (for info call 703-471-6990) 9/27-29/96 Sportscar Vintage Racing Assc. 10/3/96 Tune & Test Day (for info call 301-933-2599) 10/5-6/96 WERA Sprints For info on the Road Racing School Check out http://www.his.com/~harris/rrs.htm For voice info call 703-532-3366. Enjoy Stephen Stephen Taylor Harris http://www.his.com/~harris/index.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 10:19:15 1995 Date: Monday, 11 December 1995 10:13 ET To: BIGBIKE@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Electrics Ok, Call me a wuss if you must. I rode the bike to work this morning and at 19 degrees F it was definatly a bit cold for me. My hand and feet are the real problem. I know what I need to do to solve the problem. I need a pair of gloves and socks that are electric, preferably that plug into the cigarette lighter (yes the bike has a lighter!). Does anyone have any idea where I could find these items? How much would they cost? Carl B. 94 Ultra 91 Sportster From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 10:30:26 1995 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:30:18 -0500 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Tire Pressure debate At 07:26 AM 12/7/95 -0500, Kevin wrote: > >>>The rep may have confused the dangers of underinflation with the "ten >>>percent rule." This rules claims that if your tires are properly >>>inflated, the pressure at operating temperature will rise ten percent >>>above the cold pressure. If it rises more than ten percent, it's >>>underinflated. More than ten percent, overinflated. Does anybody know >>>if this "rule" is valid? > >Yep, I've heard of this one too Bruce! Seems like this one was making the = =20 >rounds on Dale Coyner's old motorcycle BBS a couple of years ago. It's =20 >probably a good rule of thumb, nothing more. I'll tell ya what folks, if = =20 Well I guess both of you forgot what Steve Brubaker of Dunlop Tires said of the matter! Fortunally I've saved his reply to that one & am posting it below. We had a eruption of this debate on the race list about seven months ago. If you all don't subscribe you should. Good info. Stephen Harris -------------------------------------------------------------------- Begin Foward -------------------------------------------------------------------- EA>The tires are a 591r 130/80/16 rear, and a 100/90/16 street comp EA>front. on a Ninja 250. I start the am practice sessions with what EA>others consider insanely low pressures. I start with 25 front 27 EA>rear. Last race I had 29 front and the bike handled like crap. EA>Skating and sliding around. Never happened before when I ran the EA>other pressures. ok, here is some data in reguards to pressure. lets take pressure rise first... "pressure rise"---the difference between the starting cold pressure and the hot pressure. this difference is called "pressure rise" if we use the 10-50% idea, and you started with 25 psi front, you would look for 2.5-3.75 psi rise. if you started with lets say 30 psi you would look for 3.0-4.5 psi rise. in both cases, using this formula, a 3 psi rise would be correct, right? well then which is the better starting pressure? 25 psi or 30 psi. both were able to give a 10-15% rise. what do you do? don't use the 10-15% formula! instead keep the foloing data in mind, the senior order of data that affects pressure rise is... 1. dryness of the air in the tire 2. tempature of the tire 3. tire pressure 1. if the tire has "wet air" in it, it will rise exesively. basicaly if you use damp air (air that has a lot of moistur in it) the rise will be greater because the water in the tire will expand more that just plain air. wet air will give unreliable pressure rise readings. 2. if the tire is very hot it will have more rise than a cooler running tire. simply put hotter things expand more than cooler things. this is enhanced when there is wet air in the tire. 3. if the tire has to low a starting cold pressure then the tire can overheat. mostly because the carcus of the tire is working much harder and creating more friction. on the other side, high pressure makes less movement in the carcus and thus less heat. but this is the least importaint factor in respect to presure rise. let take a practical situation at sears point (AFM). keeping same bike and manufactures recomended starting psi is 30... rider "A" goes out and does 1:59's (slow) gets 2 psi rise rider "B" goes out and does 1:49's (fast) gets 5 psi rise should rider "A" lower his pressure? should rider "B" raise his pressure? answer... neather rider should change starting pressure! why? because of this simple fact... ****** CHANGING STARTING PRESSURE WILL AFFECT HANDLING AND STABILITY MORE THAN IT WILL AFFECT THE OVERALL GRIP OR OPERATING TEMPATURE **** if rider "A" lowered his pressure, he would have a bike that was less stable and his overall grip would acctualy get less due to this diminished stability. plus with his slow laptimes the best thing he can do is keep things a stable as he can, thus he will be more in control at his level of riding. with his slow lap times, he need for grip is not as high as his need for stability. taking away stability and not adding grip is going the wrong way. if rider "B" rised his pressure, the tires would not roll over bumps as well (arsher ride) and he WILL have less grip due to the smaller contact patch. to sum it up, a rider should start with the manufactures recomended starting race pressures. then if he wishes vary no more than 2 psi up or down. this would only be to affect the stability and "feel" of the tire to please the rider. then get the chassis working correctly. wide varances of tire pressure only point to bigger problem that is being disguised. i might point out that you may have a chassis problem that you are trying to fix with tire pressure. bias ply tires will take up a lot of bumps if run at real low pressure. let the chassis do this work and dont make the tire work overtime. you should run the recomended pressure then get the chassis working. you even mentiond that your "guess" at pressure was wrong, dont ever guess with pressure! try keeping the pressure the same and vary the chassis. with the front psi at 29 and the bike "skidding and sliding around" as you put it, could be from the side wall of the front not absorbing the bumps as it does at 25 psi, try getting the front end to take the bumps and keep the pressure around 28 psi front, this will let the bike steer quicker than 25 psi and give good grip. also keep in mind that sears point runs a lot of cars during the week and sat am is always a bit slipery! it is late, if i missed anything or said something th wrong way please let me know and i'll clarify it for you. it's really good to here from a home-boy from sears! i really miss all my friends out there on the left coast! --- =FE CmpQwk #UNREG=FE UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY =1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B= =1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B=1B ------------ end forward ------------ =20 Stephen Taylor Harris http://www.his.com/~harris/index.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 10:31:41 1995 From: "Robert S. Fourney" Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:31:32 -0500 (EST) To: BIGBIKE@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, carl.burkholder@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics Carl says, > > Ok, Call me a wuss if you must. I rode the bike to work this morning.... I would, but I thought about the bike for all of 6 seconds before selecting the cage keys.... > .... I need a pair of > gloves and socks that are electric, preferably that plug into the cigarette > lighter (yes the bike has a lighter!). Does anyone have any idea where I could > find these items? How much would they cost? Several companies make plug in gloves. (Widder for sure, probably eclipse). My mother has a pair of electric socks that run off of 9-volt batteries. My wife borrowed them last winter and proclaimed them "toasty" for X-country skiing and winter hiking. I have seen similar things in sporting goods/hunting type stores. Related question: I borrowed an electric vest off a friend to see if my bike had enough amps to run it. (I figured I'd test it till about april!). It's an eclipse, and has what looks _almost_ like a cigarette lighter plug on it. Is something I can buy cheap, or do I need to go through Eclipse (I can just steal the one off his bike if that's the case) Bob Fourney From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 10:41:43 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:41:10 -0500 To: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX, BIGBIKE@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics In a message dated 95-12-11 10:32:41 EST, carl.burkholder@XXXXXX writes: >Ok, Call me a wuss if you must. I rode the bike to work this morning and at >19 >degrees F it was definatly a bit cold for me. My hand and feet are the real >problem. I know what I need to do to solve the problem. I need a pair of >gloves and socks that are electric, preferably that plug into the cigarette >lighter (yes the bike has a lighter!). Does anyone have any idea where I >could >find these items? How much would they cost? >Carl B. >94 Ultra >91 Sportster My hat is off to you. Competition Acessories sells Widder electric gloves for bikes that you can plug into your cigarette lighter; or better yet you can buy their electric vest and the gloves plug into that; I think the vest is about $90 and the gloves about $80. I think hunting stores sell battery powered electric socks. Steve From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 10:53:13 1995 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 10:53:00 EST From: walt@XXXXXX (Walt Dabell) To: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics Cc: BIGBIKE@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX > Ok, Call me a wuss if you must. I rode the bike to work this morning and at 19 > degrees F it was definatly a bit cold for me. My hand and feet are the real > problem. I know what I need to do to solve the problem. I need a pair of > gloves and socks that are electric, preferably that plug into the cigarette > lighter (yes the bike has a lighter!). Does anyone have any idea where I could > find these items? How much would they cost? > Carl B. > 94 Ultra > 91 Sportster Oh yeah, they took the kickstarters off of the Harleys, didn't they? I remember going out one morning with sub zero temps and standing my 260lbs (at the time) on the kicker and it not moving... You probably keep them in a heated garage too, right? :-) I just ordered some electric pants and vest from a place called "Gerbings" (Dave Gerbing is at 76737.3523@XXXXXX). I have heard some very good reviews from the beemer folk about their gloves. They custom make most of the clothes, and one guy who was missing part of a finger or two said they made him a special glove to fit him. The gloves: Two types: One leather, @$99 and the other Kevlar @119. "Both gloves heat the entire length of each finger as well as the palm and back of the hand." They draw 22 watts (1.5 amps). Socks: @$59 "...heat from the top of each sock all the way down to the bottom of the toes, surrounding your entire foot with warmth." The draw 22 watts also. Their number is: (360) 898-4225 Walt Dabell (302)645-4225 walt@XXXXXX University of Delaware, College of Marine Studies From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 11:24:59 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Aerostich/Reflective Vests on Navy Bases Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:18:00 EST Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 David Mackintosh said: >I have been wearing a red Aerostich Roadcrafter one-piece suit on base here >(Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center) until this morning, believ- >ing that it would pass the regulation for a "brightly colored outer garment >with reflective material..." >I would like to survey anyone who works at a Navy base of any kind where >you have to pass through a security gate. >Is a vest required? >Enforced? >Can you be issued one on-base? >Have you been able to wear an Aerostich or other jacket or suit with >reflective material (and what color is it)? David, I've not ridden onto any Navy Bases with the bike and my command is very relaxed on the vest requirement, although they do require the rider course. I have spoken to friends who do ride to the Navy Supply Center, across for the Academy, and I'm told that they are very strict about the vest requirement. I am also aware that most places enforce the vest rule if you are in camo's, but I wouldn't think you'd be hassled about the 'stich, especially if it is a bright red. I was told that if I rode out to the Navy Station that I should wear my vest so I tend to think they won't issue one. If you know the gate guards well, maybe they could keep a vest there for you. You may be able to get one from the safety office or a construction unit so at least you don't have to buy one. Good luck and let us know what you find out. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz, (1/2 an XS-1100H) 1-800-AMA-JOIN Ride with Pride From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 11:33:14 1995 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:32:59 EST From: walt@XXXXXX (Walt Dabell) To: BIGBIKE@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, carl.burkholder@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, knee@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics > From: "Robert S. Fourney" > Carl says, > > Ok, Call me a wuss if you must. I rode the bike to work this morning.... > > I would, but I thought about the bike for all of 6 seconds before > selecting the cage keys.... Ditto, at least until I get my 'lectric undies in :-) > Related question: I borrowed an electric vest off a friend to see > if my bike had enough amps to run it. (I figured I'd test it till about > april!). It's an eclipse, and has what looks _almost_ like a cigarette lighter> plug on it. Is something I can buy cheap, or do I need to go through > Eclipse (I can just steal the one off his bike if that's the case) Does your friend ride a beemer? It _could_ be the BMW accy plug. It has a tip about a 1/16" in diameter about 1/4" long with a collection of contacts for the shield (ground) that goes in a hole about 1/4 in diameter? OK, ascii art is in order... ------+ |==> ------+ If so, go to your nearest John Deere Dealer and ask to see (from a "50 series farm tractor) Accessory plug RE11344. The socket that goes with it is AL25073. They are about half of what BMW charges for the same parts. Walt Dabell (302)645-4225 walt@XXXXXX University of Delaware, College of Marine Studies From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 11:47:08 1995 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Electrics & plugs & elm filters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:40:28 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of electrics, does anyone know where I can pick up the two- prong plug used by eclipse for their vests/gloves? I've got some gloves w/o the cord and it would sure be nice if I could plug 'em in. In addition: I use the elm 'filter' to sort the mail, but I can't figure out a rule that will work on the dc-cycles list. Most other lists use a consistent 'Sender:' field, but I have not figured out how to make filter recognize something specific to dc-cycles in the header. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Bennett |GEE d- s+:- a- C++ UL+++ P++ L+++ !E W++ N+ mjb@XXXXXX |!o !K-- !w--- O+++ !M !V-- PS+ PE !Y PGP+ t+ 5+ http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb|X+++ !R tv b+++ DI+++ D++ G+ e++>+++ h+ r y+ R5C RD400F R100RS XL350 (XJ550) PL620 MX5 SKS PP M500 OS221 OS2V3 L1.2.1 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 12:17:41 1995 From: "Osidach, Vera Z." To: dc cycles Subject: vests/military bases Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 12:17:00 EST Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 My experience with riding onto any military base (Army, Air Force, Navy) is that they are very strict. Yes, it's stupid to wear a small reflective vest over a larger reflective surface, but if it says in the rulebook you have to wear a vest . . . then you have to wear a vest. Typical govermentese. :-\ If you're not wearing one, depending on the guard, he/she MAY let you slide ONCE; but usually they'll make you park your bike either off-base or just inside the guard station and walk to your destination. Yes, this can be quite a pain if your destination is a good distance away. (Been there, done that.) Check with someone of authority on the particular base in which you're interested, and try to "get it in writing" to carry with you on base. It all depends on the person(s) who happen to see you/stop you. Good luck. -Vo '93 XLH 1200 From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 16:46:43 1995 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:46:41 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Re: Electrics >Ok, Call me a wuss if you must. I rode the bike to work this morning and at 19 >degrees F it was definatly a bit cold for me. My hand and feet are the real >problem. I know what I need to do to solve the problem. I need a pair of >gloves and socks that are electric, preferably that plug into the cigarette >lighter (yes the bike has a lighter!). Does anyone have any idea where I could >find these items? How much would they cost? I use Widder gloves (1-800-WYBCOLD) and Feet Heat electric boot soles. I bought the boot soles at Cycles Woodbridge, the gloves were about $90 and the boot soles about $60. I talked to a guy that had Gerbing 12V socks, and he said the wires made them somewhat uncomfortable to walk around in. I don't have that problem with the boot soles. Leon. m-rider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 CX650C 123Kmiles, 1983 GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 CB400A 14Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 23:34:41 1995 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 23:17:24 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Aerostich/Reflective Vests on Navy Bases To: David Mackintosh Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9512111241.AA20080@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It depends on which base/service you go to.When I was stationed at Bergstrom TX,the motorcycle safety NCO talked the Wing King into letting it slide and after two months we didn't have to wear them.On Ft Myer,it can depend on who's on the gate.One time a gate guard waved me through with no vest and a block from the dorm I got pulled over. My father is a civilian at Patuckston(sp?) Naval Base.Not only does he need a disco vest,but he actually had to add more reflective stuff to it because the guards got out a ruler and measured the amount of reflective material and said he didn't have enough. A trick we used to do in TX was to pull up to the gate w/o a vest and then stop and put it on.People don't seem to mind stopping for a minute to BS with their friend on the gate,but they definitely don't like waiting for you to don a vest. ;-) gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S2 Thunder(un)bolt GATB#1121 "aah!...it's the Rapture!...quick,throw the 4th Ed out the window!" "But pessimism IS realism!" D.L.Bahr From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 11 23:53:03 1995 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:29:10 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: Aerostich/Reflective Vests on Navy Bases In-Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh) "Aerostich/Reflective Vests on Navy Bases" (Dec 11, 7:41am) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Dec 11, 7:41am, David Mackintosh wrote: > I would like to survey anyone who works at a Navy base of any kind > where you have to pass through a security gate...Is a vest required? > Enforced? I worked at the Naval Research Lab in DC for about 4 years. The regulations were never clearly posted nor were they consistently enforced. The rules depended upon which guard was on duty at the time you decided to enter base. Most of the guards didn't know the regulations, either. I have had arguments with some of them over the definition of what a "boot" is: On occasion, I would wear lace-up combat boots which at least one guard felt did not fulfill the requirement of a "boot." After a guard refused admittance to me because I was not wearing a reflective vest, I bought a blaze-orange one at K-Mart. It withstood DoD nominal speed for years without being torn up and satisfied the vest weenies on base. -- ******************************************************************************** Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Landover, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 08:36:35 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 08:40:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Electrics >I use Widder gloves (1-800-WYBCOLD) and Feet Heat electric boot >soles. I bought the boot soles at Cycles Woodbridge, the gloves were >about $90 and the boot soles about $60. I talked to a guy that had >Gerbing 12V socks, and he said the wires made them somewhat >uncomfortable to walk around in. I don't have that problem with the >boot soles. How are these boot sole powered? Do they wire into the bike like the gloves, or do they use their own battery? If the latter, how long do they go on a battery (or charge). Thanks, Bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 10:50:34 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:50:31 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Electrics > >I use Widder gloves (1-800-WYBCOLD) and Feet Heat electric boot > >soles. > > How are these boot sole powered? Do they wire into the bike like the > gloves, or do they use their own battery? If the latter, how long do > they go on a battery (or charge). They wire into the bike like the gloves. They come with phono plug connectors, and two stretch cords. Each uses 12V. (Unlike the Widder gloves which are two six volt gloves wired in series.) The instructions are for wiring into a snowmobile, each wire (foot) goes to a separate phono plug on the machine. I built a harness that connects at the electric vest connector. My other stuff is Widder, and I used an old glove harness to get the connectors at the power input end, and Radio Shack supplied phono plugs for the other ends. =---to bike---= =--gloves---==--feet---==--vest When I don't need the heat to my feet, I remove that harness. Leon Begeman - m-rider@XXXXXX - begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 123Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 14Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 11:29:31 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:29:14 PST Subject: Re: Aerostich/Reflective Vests on Navy Bases Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > I have been wearing a red Aerostich Roadcrafter one-piece suit on base here > (Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center) until this morning, believ- > ing that it would pass the regulation for a "brightly colored outer garment > with reflective material..." I rode to Carderock for almost ten years without a vest. I transferred to ARD Bayview (a Carderock Detachment). Should be the same rules right? Wrong! As soon as I got here, they informed me that they enforced the Navy rule about the vest and I could not park on base until I got one. They did not care how headquarters did it, they had their regulation and they would enforce it. This "base" has only one active duty military officer, everybody else is a contractor or navy civilian. The base is ten acres in size and my parking space is 75 yards from the ONLY gate. They photocopied the regulation for me. I'll look for it at lunch but I doubt if I still have it. If I do, I'll get back to you. The security office has to give you a copy of the reg. Capt. Brown seemed to be a reasonable person. Explain to him that you need to see the reg to make sure you buy a vest that complies. If he cannot find the printout, e-mail me and I'll get it from our safety officer. The vest had to have either vertical or horizontal reflective stripes of a minimum width covering a minimum area. I think open-sided vests are not allowed. I bought my vest at an Army-Navy store from their industrial safety catalog. It cost $14.50 if I remember right. Good Luck. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 12:04:38 1995 Date: Tuesday, 12 December 1995 11:56 ET To: BIGBIKE@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics In-Reply-To: The letter of Monday, 11 December 1995 10:55 ET First let me describe what I wear. I have 2 pair of thermal underware and a thermal undershirt that I wear under my clothes. I then put on my chaps and leather jacket over my clothes. This takes care of the main part of my body. I then wear my winter riding gloves that are leather lined with thinsulate. These are ok for temps of freezing or above. I have been using a pair of hunting socks that use D cell batteries but these don't seem to work very well. Although the package says the batteries should last for hours they don't seem to make it more than half of the way to work, a 30 min trip, before they are too dead to work. I have only used them for a few days and have already spent more on batteries than I did on the socks. Of all of the responses that I got the one that sounded the best was from Walt Dabell. The socks and gloves from Gerbings sounded GREAT! Now the question is where is this place? How do I get ahold of the company. I sent an Email to Dave Gerbing at the address that you had in your Email but haven't heard back yet. By the way Walt I don't have too much trouble starting my bike since I changed to the lighter weight oil a few weeks ago, and no I don't have a heated garage just a mobil one (covered trailer). I am quite sure that the bike could handle another 44 watts since it is designed to have all sorts of accessories and I don't have any on it now. I should be able to wire it into the accessories switch and switch it on when I am moving and switch it off when I am stopped at a light so as not to tax the battery too much. I will try the phone number today and see if I can get some info. Thanks to all who responded. Carl B. 94 Ultra (full dresser) 91 Sportster (sport bike) From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 16:10:09 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Cycle-tainment Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 16:03:00 EST Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 This has been posted to other lists so delete it if you have already seen it. I have sent it separate to each list so cross post returns won't duplicate. With winter bearing down on us and good riding days fewer between, my mind has been turning to other moto related items. I've had motorcycle songs on the brain but I only know two of them. I started to look around the web for a list of songs related to motorcycles and haven't found such a thing. Does anyone know if, and where, such a list might exist? Also, does anyone know if there is a motorcycle related album to be found anywhere? Thanks in advance. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz, (1/2 an XS-1100H) 1-800-AMA-JOIN Ride with Pride From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 16:38:03 1995 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Re: Cycle-tainment To: wjm1@XXXXXX (McLoone, William J.) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:30:33 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199512122113.AA02083@medlantic.mhg.edu> from "McLoone, William J." at Dec 12, 95 04:03:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McLoone, William J. writes: > > With winter bearing down on us and good riding days fewer between, my mind > has been turning to other moto related items. I've had motorcycle songs on > the brain but I only know two of them. I started to look around the web for > a list of songs related to motorcycles and haven't found such a thing. Does > anyone know if, and where, such a list might exist? Also, does anyone know > if there is a motorcycle related album to be found anywhere? Thanks in > advance. > There was a Harley Davidson 'Songs of the American Road' that was pretty lame and not entirely motorcycle related. Born to be wild and other stuff like that. I've got a better list at home but here goes: '52 Vincent Black Lightning -- Richard Thompson Me & Harley Davidson -- 5 Man Electrical Band Motorcycle Mama -- (Moby Grape?) Sidecar-Sicle -- Same guy who *originally* did Hot-Rod-Lincoln Speeding Motorcycle -- Daniel Johnston/Yo La Tengo Eye Of the Hurricane -- David Wilcox That's it for now, I'll see if I can find my list this weekend (gotta study!) These and other songs I play on WMUC Radio 88.1 In College Park (10W so you gotta be pretty close to College Park) On Saturdays 9PM to Midnight. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Bennett |GEE d- s+:- a- C++ UL+++ P++ L+++ !E W++ N+ mjb@XXXXXX |!o !K-- !w--- O+++ !M !V-- PS+ PE !Y PGP+ t+ 5+ http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb|X+++ !R tv b+++ DI+++ D++ G+ e++>+++ h+ r y+ From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 17:04:55 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: Songs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:59:51 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text "My Little Sisters Got a Motobike" by the Dogmatics uncle dan From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 17:09:06 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:13:54 -0400 (EDT) From: wweiss@XXXXXX (Warren Weiss) Subject: Re: Cycle-tainment In-Reply-To: <199512122130.QAA23118@scdh21.umd.edu>; from "Matt Bennett" at Dec 12, 95 4:30 pm To: mjb@XXXXXX Cc: wjm1@XXXXXX (McLoone William J.), dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL0] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Eye Of the Hurricane -- David Wilcox I really liked this tune. Haven't heard it in a while, though. A little depressing, too, because the girl riding the bike (a woman after my own heart! - :) ) hits a truck that pulls out in front of her. I'll have to listen on Saturday nights to your broadcast. -- ******************************************************************************** Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Landover, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 17:09:34 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:09:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: New Book on Area Riding! Hey folks, Thought I'd let list members know that I just received the first copy of "Motorcycle Journeys Through the Appalachians." After five years, it's finally out! MJTTA is a compliation of thirty-five day trips covering a region roughly between Gettysburg, PA and Asheville, NC. It features the most interesting riding, good places to stay and to eat, and interesting things to see along the way. MJTTA was written by a motorcyclist (me ), for motorcyclists (hopefully perhaps, you ) who want to know about good places to ride /other/ than Skyline Drive or the Blue Ridge Parkway. MJTTA is the latest in a series of Motorcycle Journeys including New England, the Southwest, and the Alps. If you're interested you can order copies from the publisher, Whitehorse Press at 1-800-531-1133, OR, if you'd like a personally signed copy, you can order one from ME (it's also a benefit to me if you order them from me 'cause I can make an extra buck or two). I'm selling my copies for $20, postage paid. If you're interested you can reply to me directly at dale@XXXXXX. Also, if you're a part of a motorcycle club, please let your meeting planner know that I am available to speak to your group about the book. They can contact me at the e-mail address above or call me at 703.903.5527. Thanks and happy riding! dale *************************************************************************** Ask me about "Motorcycle Journeys Through the Appalachians" -- The Book! 35 days trips through the mountains of the mid-Atlantic United States Available now from Whitehorse Press at 1-800-531-1133 or direct from the author (me! ), personally signed and dated! $20, postage paid *************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 17:11:23 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:11:50 -0500 (EST) From: Janet Gunn To: Matt Bennett cc: wjm1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle-tainment In-Reply-To: <199512122130.QAA23118@scdh21.umd.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 Dec 1995, Matt Bennett wrote: About motorcycle songs: > > I've got a better list at home but here goes: > > '52 Vincent Black Lightning -- Richard Thompson > Me & Harley Davidson -- 5 Man Electrical Band > Motorcycle Mama -- (Moby Grape?) > Sidecar-Sicle -- Same guy who *originally* did Hot-Rod-Lincoln > Speeding Motorcycle -- Daniel Johnston/Yo La Tengo > Eye Of the Hurricane -- David Wilcox What about "I Don't Want a Pickle, I just Want to Ride on My Motor-Sickle" by Arlo Guthrie Going WAY back, there is "Riding at the TT Races" > by the same people who wrote the ORIGINAL "Leaning on a Lamppost." Janet Gunn From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 19:21:31 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:21:22 -0500 (EST) From: Williams Consulting To: Janet Gunn cc: Matt Bennett , wjm1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle-tainment In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Moto Music: Ghost Rider - Rollins Band (Henry's from D.C.) Jim From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 12 20:15:23 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 20:15:22 -0500 From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle-tainment Janet Gunn writes: > What about "I Don't Want a Pickle, I just Want to Ride on My > Motor-Sickle" by Arlo Guthrie Better known as "The Motorcycle Song" and found on the _album_ (for those of us who remember vinyl :-) "Alice's Restaurant". There's also a live version where Arlo explains "the significance of the pickle". I know that one is on "The Best of Arlo Guthrie" and probably someplace else as well. For something a little less conventional, check out "Titties and Beer" by Frank Zappa. The perfect song, it's got everything: bikes, babes, beer, guns and THE DEVIL! Who could ask for more? :-) Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500C, 76 CJ360 |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 2-75 RE5 KAW: 72 H2 "More bikes than brains!" From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 02:13:16 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 23:09:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Loren H. Eubank" To: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics-Gerbing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here is a slightly dated listing of some of what Gerbing makes. Price Watts Clothing $299.50 110 One-Piece Suit 299.50 121 Two-Piece Suit 169.50 77 Jacket 149.50 44 Pants 149.50 77 Jacket Liner 109.50 44 Vest with collar 99.50 44 Vest 99.50 44 Chaps 109.50 22 Gloves-Kevlar 89.50 22 Gloves-Leather 49.50 22 Socks --------------------------------------------------------------------- $59.50 Electric Thermostat (permanent or portable) Clothing has a 30-day unconditional guarantee, with a Lifetime warrenty on electronics. Prices above are a little over a year old. Contact Gerbing himself for updated prices and supply. You can order by calling: (360)898-4225 or send mail to: Gerbing's Heated Clothing, Inc. E. 750 Dalby Rd. Union, WA 98592 Info they like to have. . . Weight, Height, Waist - Hips - Chest sizes, Lenghts of arms(middle of neck to wrist), Shoulder to shoulder, Top of shoulder to floor, Thighs, Belt to floor, Inseam, Hand size, Feet size. - - All of course depending on what part of the body you are trying to heat. Gerbing also does custom work, and will even wire clothing you already have (if it is possible). His work is "professional" backroom shop work, and the fashion of the clothing is dated, but it gets the job done comfortably, and hey, you wear it under all that expensive leather anyway. No one will see it. My diclaimer on this review is that I have not had contact with Gerbing in just under a year, so some of the info may not be accurate anymore. Loren Eubank - eubankl@XXXXXX Seattle, WA 85 CB650SC 82 GL1100 >End of Line Oh, by the way, if your younger brother comes and visits, and wants to borrow your motorcycle and use his Gerbing electric clothing, don't let him. If he doesn't crash you preciouse motorcycle in the snow, he'll probably trash the charging system. ;-) From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 08:16:36 1995 X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.03a) From: Chris Norloff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 08:17:25 EST Subject: test, please ignore blah blah blah From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 10:04:28 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 95 10:05:10 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Cycle-tainment I believe Roy Orbison wrote a song about riding. I forget the title. It got a bit of mention in one of the national cycle mags recently, _Rider_ probably. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 10:42:41 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:42:36 -0500 From: greer@XXXXXX (Greg Greer) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle-tainment In-Reply-To: "Re: Cycle-tainment" of December 12 from ims@access.digex.net (Williams Consulting) >From Jim's message: "Re: Cycle-tainment" of December 12 >> Ghost Rider - Rollins Band (Henry's from D.C.) Alright Jim!. Here's a couple more: Snuff Rider -- Head of David (difficult listening) The Living End -- The Jesus & Mary Chain War of the Superbikes -- The Meatmen (also from DC, played @ 9:30 w/ GWAR on Monday) There's also a "motorbike" song by Martha and the Muffins, but I can't remember the name. Who does the "our lady of the motorcycle" song? It's like a litany to Mary regarding bikes, speed, and road conditions. Greg "He wore black denim trousers and motorcycle boots and a black leather jacket with an eagle on the back. He rode a hopped-up cycle that took off like a gun; That fool was the terror of Highway 101." -- Song lyric quoted by Hunter Thompson in "Hells Angels"; I can't remember the correct attribution. From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 10:56:45 1995 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Re: Cycle-tainment To: greer@XXXXXX (Greg Greer) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:56:34 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199512131542.KAA02373@sunblock.gsfc.nasa.gov.gsfc743> from "Greg Greer" at Dec 13, 95 10:42:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg Greer writes: > "He wore black denim trousers and motorcycle boots > and a black leather jacket with an eagle on the back. > He rode a hopped-up cycle that took off like a gun; > That fool was the terror of Highway 101." > > -- Song lyric quoted by Hunter Thompson in "Hells Angels"; > I can't remember the correct attribution. "Black Denim Trousers" I believe is the name. I heard it on Dr. Demento a couple of years ago when he did a motorcycle special. Some special, it had that song and Arlo's Motorcycle song. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Bennett |GEE d- s+:- a- C++ UL+++ P++ L+++ !E W++ N+ mjb@XXXXXX |!o !K-- !w--- O+++ !M !V-- PS+ PE !Y PGP+ t+ 5+ http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb|X+++ !R tv b+++ DI+++ D++ G+ e++>+++ h+ r y+ R5C RD400F R100RS XL350 (XJ550) PL620 MX5 SKS PP M500 OS221 OS2V3 L1.2.1 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 11:21:14 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: Thumper List To: motolist@XXXXXX (Motolist), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:12:36 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text I noticed the other day as I was browsing through the list of motorcycle related lists that there exists a "thumper" list, but it is temporarily out of order. I know that it has been out of order for a while now. Does anyone have any further info? I'm interested because if no one is running it at the moment, I would be willing to restart it. This is in my own self-interest actually, because I have a Yamaha SRX-6 sitting in pieces in my living room at the moment and while I am rebuilding it, I would be happy to have input from other "singles" minded people. later, uncle dan -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 11:23:19 1995 From: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" To: balt-cycles-request , north carolina bikers , "'dc-cycles-request'" Subject: query Date: Wed, 13 Dec 95 11:14:00 EST Encoding: 5 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 i am looking for an owners manual and a case guard for an'84 honda sabre 1100. tnx. john weinstej@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 11:30:49 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:30:16 -0500 To: greer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle-tainment In a message dated 95-12-13 10:58:24 EST, greer@XXXXXX (Greg Greer) writes: > >There's also a "motorbike" song by Martha and the Muffins, but I can't >remember the name. Hey my all time favorite band! It is on the first album and I think it is epononymously titled "Motorbiking" Steve From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 18:28:45 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 18:28:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: Onboard Cameras Does anyone recall seeing an ad in mc magazines in the past years about a harness you could use to strap a camcorder to your shoulder while riding? I've been looking into the cost of lipstick cameras but they're pretty darn expensive and thought that for the kind of recording I'd like to do initially, the shoulder mount camera might work fine. Failing that, if anyone has mounted a camcorder on their bike, I'd like to hear how you did it and what results you got. Thanks! dale *************************************************************************** Ask me about "Motorcycle Journeys Through the Appalachians" -- The Book! 35 days trips through the mountains of the mid-Atlantic United States Available now from Whitehorse Press at 1-800-531-1133 or direct from the author (me! ), personally signed and dated! $20, postage paid *************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 13 22:41:19 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 22:41:15 -0500 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Onboard Cameras At 06:28 PM 12/13/95 -0500, Dale wrote: >Failing that, if anyone has mounted a camcorder on their bike, I'd like to >hear how you did it and what results you got. Thanks! We've mounted camcorders on race bikes many a times. On the FZR600 the flat tank shelter makes a great spot to put it in. The shot is almost perfect, you can see the tach & ahead thru the bubble. The solo seat is great for takin rear shots. In both cases we rap the camera in towels & use a liberal appication of duct tape to attach it to the bike. We were going to build a more sysophicated system to record people during the sport bike days & when they were taking the school for some extra $$ but never got around to it. Anyway you need to put some foam under the camera if you have high rpms as the image gets a little blurly over 9K. Stephen Stephen Taylor Harris http://www.his.com/~harris/index.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 14:20:57 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:20:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: 1985 Virago 700 For Sale posted for a friend: 1985 Yamaha Virago 700 for sale 12K miles, Corbin saddle $1650 obo, located near Bethesda, MD Call Abe Ehlers, (301) 946-3079 no e-mail, please David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 14 21:43:40 1995 From: BKVA1@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 21:43:07 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Metawrench Tool Set I've been seeing advertisments on TV for the Metawrench. This set of open-end wrenches and sockets grabs the bolt on its flat side instead of the corners as most tools do. I'm thinking it might not crack the chrome as much as normal tools. Any experience with this system? Any stories, good or bad? Dennis Hughes From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 07:51:46 1995 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Re: Metawrench Tool Set To: BKVA1@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 07:50:36 -0500 (EST) Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <951214214249_54621933@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "BKVA1@aol.com" at Dec 14, 95 09:43:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BKVA1@XXXXXX writes: > > I've been seeing advertisments on TV for the Metawrench. This set of > open-end wrenches and sockets grabs the bolt on its flat side instead of the > corners as most tools do. I'm not familiar with that particular tool, but Snap-On has had tools (sockets and wrenches) like that. Think of a hexagon with the centers of the flats in a bit, and with a relief at the corners. > I'm thinking it might not crack the chrome as much as normal tools. This was a selling point of these types of tools. I have seen similar tools advertised in JC Whitney and others *specifically* because they treat chromed nuts better. Is the the 'universal' wrench that has a funny pivoted almost triangular shaped hole? If so, those types of tools only really protect some of the corners of the chromed nuts. There is still force applied at two of the corners. > Any experience with this system? Any stories, good or bad? They do seem to perform as advertised, but remember, you do get what you pay for. In my experience cheap tools are worth what you pay for 'em. The funny triangular shaped tools are a pain in the a** to really use. When I have had the opportunity to use them, I usually give up after a few minutes and go searching for the right tool. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Bennett |GEE d- s+:- a- C++ UL+++ P++ L+++ !E W++ N+ mjb@XXXXXX |!o !K-- !w--- O+++ !M !V-- PS+ PE !Y PGP+ t+ 5+ http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb|X+++ !R tv b+++ DI+++ D++ G+ e++>+++ h+ r y+ R5C RD400F R100RS XL350 (XJ550) PL620 MX5 SKS PP M500 OS221 OS2V3 L1.2.1 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 09:16:20 1995 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 09:13:47 EST From: acoope00@XXXXXX (Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle songs In response to the recent request for motorcycle-related songs, I surveyed some "experts" in order to supplement the list that we'd seen, so far. Unbelievably, no one here mentioned "Leader of the Pack." Also, the Hunter S. Thompson reference is probably a song named "Fool of Highway 101," but the jury is still out on the artist there. Here are some others offered by the "experts".... Motorcycle Landscape - XTC Motorcycle Emptiness - Manic Street Preachers Motorcycle Mama - Neil Young Unknown Legend - Neil Young Harley David-son-of-a-bitch - artist unknown From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 09:33:08 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:32:01 -0500 To: acoope00@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle songs I may have missed it, but is " Born to Be Wild" by Steppenwolf on the list? Steve R65 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 10:50:34 1995 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 10:51:27 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Ice Riding in this morning, thinking about black ice, and seeing the sheen on the road reflecting in the cars headlights, I was wondering: how does one tell the difference between a wet and a frozen road? I did several rear-brake tests, particularly on bridges to check traction, and it felt good. And it seemed much warmer in town. Still, with crossing bridges on curves, and with riding in the HOV lane with less traffic, I kept wondering if I was pushing the edge too close. So, how do you tell about the road surface? I use the cars ahead of me a lot. Since so many car drivers pay such little attention to traction, they make good probes of road conditions. But a car might slide only a little bit on a patch of ice that could cause us to fall over. Your thoughts? Chris From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 11:06:29 1995 Subject: Re: Ice From: crose@XXXXXX (Caron Rose) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 11:05:06 -0500 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A My only experience with black ice was while I was in the car, back in 1987. Luckily for me, the guy in front of me caught it first, and I was able to stop before I came to it. It looked no different than a damp road. It didn't even look wet - just dampish. It was early morning. Though it was before sunrise, it was just getting light out. The other car was about a 1/4 of a football field ahead of me. As he went into the curve, I saw his brakelights, and then his headlights. Talk about an unnerving feeling! I hit my brakes - probably harder than I should have, and slid just a little. But I did come to a stop. I tried to warn a car that came up behind me, but he/she/it wizzed past me, and also spun out. There were no injuries, and only minor damage to the cars. They closed the road till they could get out to sand it. All this, mind you, when there was no snow on the ground. Apparently, the temperature dropped dramatically and either the morning dew or the slight drizzle the night before froze on the road. There was no warning. Woke ME up! Caron >Riding in this morning, thinking about black ice, and seeing the sheen >on the road reflecting in the cars headlights, I was wondering: how >does one tell the difference between a wet and a frozen road? I did >several rear-brake tests, particularly on bridges to check traction, >and it felt good. And it seemed much warmer in town. > >Still, with crossing bridges on curves, and with riding in the HOV >lane with less traffic, I kept wondering if I was pushing the edge too >close. > >So, how do you tell about the road surface? I use the cars ahead of >me a lot. Since so many car drivers pay such little attention to >traction, they make good probes of road conditions. But a car might >slide only a little bit on a patch of ice that could cause us to fall >over. Your thoughts? > >Chris > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 11:19:15 1995 From: KRoy@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 11:18:54 EST X-Priority: 1 (High) To: Subject: re: Ice X-Incognito-SN: 239 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01a ENCRYPTED=NO On Friday, December 15, 1995 at 10:51:27 am EST, cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) wrote: >So, how do you tell about the road surface? I use the cars ahead of >me a lot. Since so many car drivers pay such little attention to >traction, they make good probes of road conditions. But a car might >slide only a little bit on a patch of ice that could cause us to fall >over. Your thoughts? That sounds like just about the only way to do it. Black ice is indistinguishable from a simply wet surface. I ordinarily only worry about traction in the turns, while braking and when moving from a stop. This morning, however, I discovered that I shouldn't acclerate hard even from a fairly high speed. I was going about 40 on Randolph Rd and I wanted to get around a car that didn't realize there were lines on the road. So, I blipped the throttle only to realize that I wasn't accelerating. I just spun the rear wheel. Really suprised me. I don't have tire ripping power and was moving pretty briskly. Kirk -- Kirk Roy College Park, MD '87 Raleigh TriLite '92 Paul Reed Smith EG-3 '88 Honda Hawk GT '92 Raleigh Team 753 '88 Cannondale Criterium '93 GT Borrego KRoy@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 11:20:52 1995 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 11:17:19 EST From: W.Michael.DiTullio@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Metawrench Tool Set Organization: Loral FSC News-Software: UReply 3.1 >> >> I've been seeing advertisments on TV for the Metawrench. This set of >> open-end wrenches and sockets grabs the bolt on its flat side instead of the >> corners as most tools do. > If you're only interested in the sockets, Eastwood Supply in Malvern PA sell just the sockets by themselves. Cost was about $40, but I can't remember the number of pieces. Eastwood does do mailorder. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |ditullio@XXXXXX |thousands of them to donate...ask me. | |spazman@XXXXXX | Atlantic City, NJ | |1-800-AMA-JOIN | 87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 11:21:07 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 11:19:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ice >how does one tell the difference between a wet and a frozen road? Basically, by falling down. I don't think there's any reliable way to spot "black ice." If the conditions are right for it, park the bike and drive the cage, or hitch a ride with a friend. Even when it's supposedly warm enough, you've got to pay real close attention to places like overpasses (obviously) and *underpasses*. shaded stretches of road, etc. Any place that's shielded from the sun will stay icy much longer. My tuppence worth. bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 11:40:21 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:39:48 -0500 To: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ice The best measure is temp; if it was below 32 last night, take the car. But temp is not always reliable. I ride in the country a lot, and there are a lot of shady sections of road that can have ice on them in 40+ degree weather. Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom from ER trips. Or as Bob said, the best way to find black ice is to fall on it. Been there, done that. It works. Steve R65 From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 17:34:38 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:55:53 -0500 From: B.Elwell@XXXXXX (Bill Elwell) To: BKVA1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Metawrench Tool Set Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.206540918" This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the remainder, you will need to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.206540918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Wrenches that try to use less of the corners of a bolt have been around for a while. Snap-On has their "Flank Drive" and everyone else has their own version. Do they work? My experience and that of others I know indicates that these wrenches work well with tough bolts. They are less likely to round the corner of these bolts. I can't comment about "crackin the chrome" though. The only down side to "Flank Drive" style wrenches is that they are six point not twelve. This probably isn't a big deal to most of us, though. As with any tool, though, buy a quality tool. Bill Elwell b.elwell@XXXXXX ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Metawrench Tool Set Author: BKVA1@XXXXXX at INTERNET Date: 12/14/95 9:43 PM I've been seeing advertisments on TV for the Metawrench. This set of open-end wrenches and sockets grabs the bolt on its flat side instead of the corners as most tools do. I'm thinking it might not crack the chrome as much as normal tools. Any experience with this system? Any stories, good or bad? Dennis Hughes --IMA.Boundary.206540918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 95 21:55:18 EST From: BKVA1@XXXXXX .edu; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 21:43:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 21:43:07 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Metawrench Tool Set --IMA.Boundary.206540918-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 15 17:44:23 1995 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:42:33 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: For Sale: 1988 Ducati Paso Limited Edition To: DC Cycles Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT For all you Ducatisti... Posted for a friend without net access, i.e., bug him, not me!!! ***** FOR SALE IN WASHINGTON, DC AREA ***** 1988 Ducati Paso Limited Edition Less than 3000 miles!!! Mint Condition Pearl White w/ red wheels & saddle All original Asking $6200 Call Troy Shirley at: (301) 441-4776 Home/evenings (301) 286-6388 Work/daytime -- ******************************************************************* Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Landover, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 16 10:19:27 1995 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Re: Cycle-tainment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:18:29 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More songs: Little Honda- The Hondells Poison- Ride the Wind Crue- Girls, Girls, Girls Crue- Kickstart my heart Allman Brothers- Midnight Rider Leader of the Pack- ? Ride Like the Wind- Christopher Cross Fat Bottmed Girls/Bicycle Race - Queen Swervedriver- Girl on a Motorcycle Sailcat- Motorcycle Mama Sugarcubes- Motorcycle Mama Mary Lou Lord- Speeding Motorcycle Lou Reed- New Sensations Meat Loaf- Bat out of Hell Moby Grape- Motorcycle Irene Pastels- Speeding Motorcycle (Yet another version of the same song) I've been collecting these titles, has anyone else? I'm willing to make the canonical list if no one else is. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Bennett |GEE d- s+:- a- C++ UL+++ P++ L+++ !E W++ N+ mjb@XXXXXX |!o !K-- !w--- O+++ !M !V-- PS+ PE !Y PGP+ t+ 5+ http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb|X+++ !R tv b+++ DI+++ D++ G+ e++>+++ h+ r y+ R5C RD400F R100RS XL350 (XJ550) PL620 MX5 SKS PP M500 OS221 OS2V3 L1.2.1 From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 17 00:39:02 1995 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 00:38:21 -0500 (EST) From: my own worst nightmare To: Matt Bennett cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle-tainment In-Reply-To: <199512161518.KAA30574@scdh21.umd.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII how about "motorcycle" bye love and rockets? there's one. it's real, i promise :) seth ##### ###### ###### ##### ### ### ####### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ###### ###### ###### # # # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### ###### # # ##### ### ### # ####### Honda Racing - "No Wing, No Prayer" On Sat, 16 Dec 1995, Matt Bennett wrote: > More songs: > Little Honda- The Hondells > Poison- Ride the Wind > Crue- Girls, Girls, Girls > Crue- Kickstart my heart > Allman Brothers- Midnight Rider > Leader of the Pack- ? > Ride Like the Wind- Christopher Cross > Fat Bottmed Girls/Bicycle Race - Queen > Swervedriver- Girl on a Motorcycle > Sailcat- Motorcycle Mama > Sugarcubes- Motorcycle Mama > Mary Lou Lord- Speeding Motorcycle > Lou Reed- New Sensations > Meat Loaf- Bat out of Hell > Moby Grape- Motorcycle Irene > Pastels- Speeding Motorcycle (Yet another version of the same song) > > I've been collecting these titles, has anyone else? I'm willing to make > the canonical list if no one else is. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Matt Bennett |GEE d- s+:- a- C++ UL+++ P++ L+++ !E W++ N+ > mjb@XXXXXX |!o !K-- !w--- O+++ !M !V-- PS+ PE !Y PGP+ t+ 5+ > http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb|X+++ !R tv b+++ DI+++ D++ G+ e++>+++ h+ r y+ > R5C RD400F R100RS XL350 (XJ550) PL620 MX5 SKS PP M500 OS221 OS2V3 L1.2.1 > From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 17 12:13:29 1995 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:13:24 -0500 (EST) From: The Pete-meister To: Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle songs In-Reply-To: <9512151413.AA05998@ad0.reach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 15 Dec 1995, Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington wrote: > > In response to the recent request for motorcycle-related songs, I > surveyed some "experts" in order to supplement the list that we'd > seen, so far. Unbelievably, no one here mentioned "Leader of the > Pack." Also, the Hunter S. Thompson reference is probably a song > named "Fool of Highway 101," but the jury is still out on the > artist there. Here are some others offered by the "experts".... > > Motorcycle Landscape - XTC > > Motorcycle Emptiness - Manic Street Preachers > > Motorcycle Mama - Neil Young > Unknown Legend - Neil Young > > Harley David-son-of-a-bitch - artist unknown ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It's by The Bollock Brothers. From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 00:32:20 1995 From: Dark Hacker Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:32:11 -0500 (EST) To: acoope00@XXXXXX, zeus@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle songs Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ok, here's one for the list (that I think I've asked before) since we're on the subject of motorcycle music. There's a song I heard at my local Harley Davidson store that I liked. It's hard to describe but every now and then a chorus of riot girls would scream "CHERRY BOMB!" Lotta help huh/ Question - what is the song and who is/are the artists? - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 10:40:56 1995 From: "jay gitomer" Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:49:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: Dark Hacker "Re: Motorcycle songs" (Dec 18, 12:32am) X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.1 10apr95 MediaMail) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle songs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Dec 18, 12:32am, Dark Hacker wrote: > Subject: Re: Motorcycle songs > There's a song I heard at my local > Harley Davidson store that I liked. It's hard to describe but every now > and then a chorus of riot girls would scream "CHERRY BOMB!" > Lotta help huh/ Question - what is the song and who is/are the artists? >-- End of excerpt from Dark Hacker Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Cherry Bomb!!! The Runaways, featuring Cherie Currie, Joan Jett, Lisa Somebody, and Somebody Else. All women, produced by Kim Fowler, if I remember right. Jay -- ___________________________________________ "One can know an existence by its frogs..." Charles Forte From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 13:31:22 1995 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 13:32:24 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: I think I need a sidecar! Hmmm, looks nasty out there. I rode in today, trusting the weather-guessers and their prognostication of the nastiness starting later in the day (why yes, in fact, I *was* born yesterday!). So, it looks like an interesting drive home ... how 'bout abrasive spreaders in front of each tire? Or retractable tire spikes? Or another wheel? That'd do it -- I'd still be a legal 'motorcycle' for HOV lane usage, and I'd just have to find a motorcycle parking space that I couldn't get blocked in to (since I'd be wider than a two-wheeler). I know you're out there, Bob Darden; any other sidecar enthusiasts on this list? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 13:45:59 1995 From: KRoy@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 13:45:44 EST X-Priority: 1 (High) To: Subject: re: I think I need a sidecar! - with bike rack X-Incognito-SN: 239 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01a ENCRYPTED=NO On Monday, December 18, 1995 at 1:32:24 pm EST, cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) wrote: >Hmmm, looks nasty out there. I rode in today, trusting the >weather-guessers and their prognostication of the nastiness starting >later in the day (why yes, in fact, I *was* born yesterday!). How about a sidecar that'd fit on a Hawk GT? Can you deliver to Rockville by 5:30pm? That'd be great. It'd also solve my other problem. I've yet to figure out a good way to carry a bicycle on/with the moto. My wife and I have but one cage. I ride and race bicycles a lot. If I go to a ride or race that's too far away to ride the bicycle there I have to take the cage. That leaves the wife cage free - a condition she doesn't appreciate (certainly not as much as I do). A sidecar would be a good place to mount a bike rack. I don't know that I want to go that far though (I'd probably have to get another moto - sounds like a good idea, but where will the cash come from?). Anyone got any ideas? From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 13:58:11 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:58:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: Re: I think I need a sidecar! How DO insurance companies/does the DMV handle sidecars? Is it just another accessory, or is it closer to a trailer? Do you have to register the sidecar? Not that I'm really considering getting one, although it indeed would make bad weather riding a bit more tolerable. I don't even know if my bike is "sidecar-ready" (sold separately, batteries not included). Pray for sun, -Sash From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 14:33:55 1995 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 14:34:55 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: KRoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Carry Bicycle (was: I think I need a sidecar! >I've yet to figure out a good way to carry a bicycle on/with >the moto. Leon Begeman (m-rider@XXXXXX) Has done that, I'm sure he'll send you some ideas. I met a BMW rider that carried his bike on a rack on the back of his bike (hah! bike ... bike). He took the wheels off his bicycle, and carried it like a car carries a bicycle on a rear bumper mounted rack. The bicycle without its wheels was narrow enough, even carried crosways, that he had no problems. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Dec 18 14:36:49 1995 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 14:37:51 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: sash@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: I think I need a sidecar! My understanding is, if it's a motor vehicle with three wheels or less in contact with the ground, then it's a "motorcycle." So this includes sidecars, trikes, and enclosed 'motorcycles'. Not sure how they'd classify a three-wheel delivery scoot (like what the Post Office used years ago -- it was really a 3-wheel car). Chris Norloff >How DO insurance companies/does the DMV handle sidecars? Is it just another >accessory, or is it closer to a trailer? Do you have to register the >sidecar? From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 08:36:07 1995 From: Michael Majzel To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'KRoy@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: I think I need a sidecar! - with bike rack Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:04:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Yamaha Venture Royal and have hauled my bicycle all over the East coast. I have a Trek 1200 aluminum frame bicycle and it is very light. I just flip the bicycle upside down and put the center tube on the seat where the passenger normally sits. I then lay the bike back against the backrest of the trunk. The bicycle is almost standing upside down, but leaning back. The handlebars hang down on one side of the motorcycle seat and the bike seat on the other side of the motorcycle. I do not remove the wheels, since they do not create much wind resistance. It looks kind of funny, but it hauls beautifully. I have a CB on the motorcycle and it is very interesting to listen to the comments from the truckers. It really seems to provoke a reaction. I've never had a problem with any law enforcement type objecting so far. I did get pulled over one time in Winchester VA, but only because the cop thought I might have stolen the bicycle. Oh come on now.... Mike ---------- From: KRoy@XXXXXX[SMTP:KRoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, December 18, 1995 1:45 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: I think I need a sidecar! - with bike rack On Monday, December 18, 1995 at 1:32:24 pm EST, cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) wrote: >Hmmm, looks nasty out there. I rode in today, trusting the >weather-guessers and their prognostication of the nastiness starting >later in the day (why yes, in fact, I *was* born yesterday!). How about a sidecar that'd fit on a Hawk GT? Can you deliver to Rockville by 5:30pm? That'd be great. It'd also solve my other problem. I've yet to figure out a good way to carry a bicycle on/with the moto. My wife and I have but one cage. I ride and race bicycles a lot. If I go to a ride or race that's too far away to ride the bicycle there I have to take the cage. That leaves the wife cage free - a condition she doesn't appreciate (certainly not as much as I do). A sidecar would be a good place to mount a bike rack. I don't know that I want to go that far though (I'd probably have to get another moto - sounds like a good idea, but where will the cash come from?). Anyone got any ideas? From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 10:12:37 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:12:40 -0500 To: Michael Majzel , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'KRoy@XXXXXX'" From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: RE: I think I need a sidecar! - with bike rack At 8:04 12/19/95, Michael Majzel wrote: *SNIP* >type objecting so far. I did get pulled over one time in Winchester VA, >but only >because the cop thought I might have stolen the bicycle. Oh come on now.... > >Mike *SNIP* !!!!!!!!!!! -Sash From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 11:43:24 1995 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:43:17 -0500 (EST) From: Becky Love To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: Ice In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 11:53:16 1995 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:53:10 -0500 (EST) From: Becky Love To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9512181936.AA5764@bbs.os2bbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 15:49:56 1995 From: Vimarsh Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:49:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dream trip down to Florida during the summer of 96 I am thinking of going down to Florida during the summer of 96 on the bike. I want to be camping along the way in various sites and was wondering if anybody has carried camping equipment such a long way alongwith sleeping bags and clothes. I don't have any tank bags as of now but am looking into pruchasing stuff as it becomes necessary. If anybody of you guys has done anything similar to this I would appreciate any comments or tips about the route and stuff I should be buying. Let me know Thanks, Vimarsh From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 19 16:41:40 1995 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:39:52 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: FS: 1988 Ducati Paso Limited Edition To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I can't remember if I posted this here or not, but for all you Ducatisti... Posted for a friend without net access, i.e., bug him, not me!!! ***** FOR SALE IN WASHINGTON, DC AREA ***** 1988 Ducati Paso Limited Edition Less than 3000 miles!!! Mint Condition Pearl White w/ red wheels & saddle All original Asking $6200 Call Troy Shirley at: (301) 441-4776 Home/evenings (301) 286-6388 Work/daytime Actually, I believe the bike is now in storage in North Carolina. -- ******************************************************************* Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Landover, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 06:49:55 1995 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 06:49:52 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Yes, I did Side streets are slick in spotsl; stay upright, don't lean, coast to a stop if possible. Main roads are ok as long as you take it easy. The bike wiggled a little going across an icy spot pulling into the gas station. The roads on campus here at NIH have been sanded but not plowed, it's a lot like riding on mud, sometimes it slides, sometimes not, and there's never good traction. Prince William County has almost no snow, in Montgomery County, there is about an inch or so and it's cold enough that none of it melted. I avoided DC this morning, too many variables, I'd rather ride on a smooth street that is snow covered than a rough one that has had part of the snow removed, maybe some sand thrown on it, and cars going in all directions. The bike is a mess. All that sand and salt gets into everything. Even my riding suit is covered with sand. I don't like washing the bike much anyway, but this stuff needs to be removed in the next week or so. Leon Begeman - m-rider@XXXXXX - begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 14Kmiles 1981 Yamaha Virago 750 13Kmiles ForSale, $650 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 07:04:43 1995 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:04:40 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Re: Dream trip down to Florida during the summer of 96 Make a list. I have mine, which I can post if you wish. Think about what you've needed on other camping trips and other bike trips, use the list when you pack, add to it if you buy stuff along the way. I don't worry much about not having something along, in the eastern US, you can go to a place to buy almost anything in under an hour, usually at a reasonable price. Pack things according to their use. I keep clothes and toiletries in the bottom of the tank bag, with stuff I need on short stops on top (sun lotion, snacks, sunglasses, rainsuit). One saddlebag has water, food, the stove, firstaid and other overnight camping stuff. The other saddlebag has the sleeping bag in it. The tent and mattress pad get strapped on top of the sleeping bag saddlebag. The tail trunk belongs to the passenger. >I am thinking of going down to Florida during the summer of 96 on the bike. >I want to be camping along the way in various sites and was wondering >if anybody has carried camping equipment such a long way alongwith sleeping bags >and clothes. I don't have any tank bags as of now but am looking into pruchasing stuff as it becomes necessary. If anybody of you guys has done anything >similar to this I would appreciate any comments or tips about the route and >stuff I should be buying. Leon Begeman - m-rider@XXXXXX - begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 14Kmiles 1981 Yamaha Virago 750 13Kmiles ForSale, $650 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 11:10:03 1995 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:09:48 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: 2-strokes <2strokes@XXXXXX> cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Moto tools MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I need to buy a bead breaker, tire irons, clutch/flywheel tool, and a magneto puller. The latter two items are for the RZ. I checked out the J.C. Whitney catalog and their prices are good but I don't know about the quality. Chapparal has this stuff also but is slightly more expensive. I've seen two types of magneto pullers: the general gear/flywheel claw type, and the smaller, screw within a screw type specifically for my bike. Which is better? Anybody have suggestions for other places with good quality for reasonable prices? Also, is it easy to build wheel balancer? Thanks, Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 11:40:27 1995 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 11:37:20 EST From: W.Michael.DiTullio@XXXXXX To: 2strokes@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Moto tools Organization: Loral FSC News-Software: UReply 3.1 In a previous message, you wrote: >from: 2strokes@XXXXXX dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Moto tools >Message-Id: >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > >I need to buy a bead breaker, tire irons, clutch/flywheel tool, and a >magneto puller. The latter two items are for the RZ. I checked out the >J.C. Whitney catalog and their prices are good but I don't know about the >quality. Chapparal has this stuff also but is slightly more expensive. >I've seen two types of magneto pullers: the general gear/flywheel claw >type, and the smaller, screw within a screw type specifically for my bike. >Which is better? Anybody have suggestions for other places with good >quality for reasonable prices? Also, is it easy to build wheel balancer? > >Thanks, > >Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX >"It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." >CB-1, RZ350 > I got the bead breaker from jc witney and have changed several tires with it and have had no problems. I believe it is the same model that every other catalog sells. Also bought my tire irons from them. Again no problems. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |ditullio@XXXXXX |thousands of them to donate...ask me. | |spazman@XXXXXX | Atlantic City, NJ | |1-800-AMA-JOIN | 87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 12:00:21 1995 From: Eric Murray Subject: Re: Moto tools To: mng@XXXXXX (Marasco Newton Group) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:58:51 -0800 (PST) Cc: 2strokes@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Marasco Newton Group" at Dec 20, 95 11:09:48 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I need to buy a bead breaker, tire irons, clutch/flywheel tool, and a > magneto puller. The latter two items are for the RZ. I checked out the > J.C. Whitney catalog and their prices are good but I don't know about the > quality. Chapparal has this stuff also but is slightly more expensive. Sometimes JC Whitney has decent stuff, sometimes it's shit. It's a gamble. Chaparral sells stuff that's more often decent, and the pictures are better so you get a better idea of what you're getting. Get 2 long tire irons and at least one shorter one. Expensive is better, as they are stronger and have smoother tips for less damage to wheel and tire. > I've seen two types of magneto pullers: the general gear/flywheel claw > type, and the smaller, screw within a screw type specifically for my bike. > Which is better? The screw-within-a-screw type. The other kind will damage the magneto even if you can get it around it past the crankcases, which I don't think you can. The screw-within-a-screw guy should cost only $10-15 and will work on a number of Yamahas. > Anybody have suggestions for other places with good > quality for reasonable prices? Yamaha dealer? Probably not consistently reasonable prices but sometimes you get a deal. > Also, is it easy to build wheel balancer? It should be just some tubing and some bearings bolted to it. The difficult part is getting straight round stock of the correct diameter to fit snugly in the bearings. If you can do that, and have a welder and other shop tools, the rest is easy. If you take the calipers (and chain) off so the wheel is free to rotate on it's bearings you can do a pretty good job of balancing it on the bike. The only thing that the stand gets you is more freely rotating bearings and a more convienient place to work. -- Eric Murray ericm@XXXXXX ericm@XXXXXX http://www.lne.com/ericm PGP keyid:E03F65E5 fingerprint:50 B0 A2 4C 7D 86 FC 03 92 E8 AC E6 7E 27 29 AF From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 20 12:14:20 1995 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:14:18 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Re: Moto tools >J.C. Whitney catalog and their prices are good but I don't know about the >quality. Chapparal has this stuff also but is slightly more expensive. I've found JCWhitney stuff to be 'reasonable' Sometimes you get really poor quality, sometimes they carry brand name stuff. I still use them because I've found that they're pretty good about matching quality to price. >Also, is it easy to build wheel balancer? I balance my wheels by putting the axle on a couple of jackstands and letting it spin to a stop. I clean the wheel bearings and put just a little bit of oil on them for this step, then repack them after the wheel is balanced. I don't know how good this method is, but I can tell if it is out of balance by 1/2 oz. (the weight is about 1/2 in long). Leon Begeman - m-rider@XXXXXX - begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 14Kmiles 1981 Yamaha Virago 750 13Kmiles ForSale, $650 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 26 12:58:04 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 12:57:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Bike Shows Has anyone been to the Baltimore Bike Show (Jan 26-28) before? I am wondering if it is worth going to, is there anything there you can't see/do at a dealer? Likely to be any freebies or good deals on acces- sories, gear, etc.? How much to get in? Are there any other good shows in the area? David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Tue Dec 26 15:52:58 1995 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 15:52:56 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Re: Bike Shows >Has anyone been to the Baltimore Bike Show (Jan 26-28) before? I am >wondering if it is worth going to, is there anything there you can't >see/do at a dealer? Likely to be any freebies or good deals on acces- >sories, gear, etc.? How much to get in? Are there any other good >shows in the area? I have been to the Baltimore show a few times. Things you can see there that you don't normally see at dealer include: 1) Show bikes, there were many nice customized bikes at the show. 2) Restored bikes, several nice restorations, including things like the Ariel Square Four and the early 70's Honda CB400F. 3) Other strange machines, including a Boss Hoss 350 and a Diesel powered Gold Wing. 4) Harleys, Triumphs, Hondas, Urals, BMWs and others close enough together to do side by side comparisons. 5) Many (but not all) aftermarket displays, most with reasonable discounts. 6) The Budweiser girls. (maybe it wasn't Budweiser, but there were several of them and I think they were all in a uniform state of (un)dress.) 7) Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell was there last year. I don't remember the admission charge. I'd guess around $10 or so. It might have been as cheap as $7 or as high as $15, I think I'd remember if it was more than that. Richmond has a few shows, but the one I went to there had more Harleys and swap shop stuff but not as much new stuff nor much in the way of other brands. Leon Begeman - m-rider@XXXXXX - begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 14Kmiles 1981 Yamaha Virago 750 13Kmiles ForSale, $650 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 07:52:17 1995 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 95 07:53:41 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: Bike Shows The Baltimore Show? I like it, but then it's the only show around, so it's easy to like. Lots of bikes, from historic restorations to absurdly chromed show bikes, with a few scooters and bicycles, too. Last year my favorite show bike had highly accurate paintings of Betty Page in some of her memorable poses. Many new bikes to sit on and make engine noises with your mouth. Many vendors selling apparel (mostly just black leather) and other real basic bike needs like bungee nets and bike covers. Peoples' choice voting for best bike, and a few show girls strutting around. One girl last year was signing a poster, but I forget if she was a Playboy girl, or what. There was some basic music for a while, too, a bar-caliber rockabilly band, I think. Admission was about $10, with a buck off for AMA and ABATE members. I'd say it's worth it, but I wouldn't lose any sleep about missing it. And after the show, take a hike to H&K Surplus (about a 30-minute walk away) to check out their great selection of cold weather gear, and *real* surplus stuff. The Baltimore waterfront (Inner Harbor) is real close, and makes a good place to go for dinner, after the convention's killer hot dogs you ate quiet down. Chris Norloff >Has anyone been to the Baltimore Bike Show (Jan 26-28) before? I am >wondering if it is worth going to, is there anything there you can't >see/do at a dealer? Likely to be any freebies or good deals on acces- >sories, gear, etc.? How much to get in? Are there any other good >shows in the area? > >David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT >mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 08:21:50 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 08:21:14 -0500 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Shows In a message dated 95-12-27 08:16:22 EST, cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) writes: >The Baltimore Show? I like it, but then it's the only show around, so >it's easy to like. There used to be a show at the convention center in DC, but for some reason it fizzled out about '87 or '88. It was good to meet mail order vendors that I had been dealing with, and there were some good deals to be had also. Never went to the Baltimore show, though I hear it is ok and something cyclish to do in the winter time. The local BMW club always makes an effort to make a presence there. Steve R65 From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 18:12:16 1995 From: XXXXXXXXXXX Date: Wed, 27 Dec 95 17:10:40 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Custom Caps and Jackets! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We specialize in detailed embroidered Motorcycle Club logos on top quality Caps and Jackets. Made in USA. If you might have a need for our services, please visit our Web Pages: http://XXXXXXXXXXXXX http://XXXXXXXXXXXXX or our mirror site at: http://XXXXXXXXXXXXX http://XXXXXXXXXXXXX Thank you, Alan XXXXXXXX XXXXX Custom And Personalized Sportswear e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 18:45:28 1995 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:45:23 -0500 (EST) From: Williams Consulting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Custom Caps and Jackets! In-Reply-To: <199512272312.RAA05144@nachos.vt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What on earth is this? It's bad enough that my snail mailbox is full of garbage. I don't want to have to read advertisments on this newsgroup as well ! Should I give Alan a call and let him know how I feel? (508) 877-5964 is his number. Or should I just unsubscribe? Sorry - This email is off topic. I just have to vent. I haven't been riding with the ice on the ground and I'm going nuts! James Williams, Director V 703-591-8800 Williams Consulting, Inc. F 301-513-9617 95 CBR 900 RRRrrr 92 Duc 900 SS 90 YSR 50 71 CB 750 <<<< ims@XXXXXX >>>> <<< http://monarch.butterfly.net/aod >>> On Wed, 27 Dec 1995 XXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > > We specialize in detailed embroidered Motorcycle Club logos > on top quality Caps and Jackets. Made in USA. > > If you might have a need for our services, please visit our Web Pages: > > http://XXXXXXXXXXX > http://XXXXXXXXXXX > > or our mirror site at: > > http://XXXXXXXXXXX > http://XXXXXXXXXXX > > > Thank you, > > Alan > XXXXXXX XXXXXXX > Custom And Personalized Sportswear > e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 20:02:57 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 20:03:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: Re: Custom Caps and Jackets! I must admit my first reaction was along the same lines, but since I am the T-Shirt Committee Chairperson for the CAMS, I let it slide. I think we can overlook the odd MC-related advertisement, but I would definitely object if (when?) it gets out of hand, or if non-MC businesses started advertising on the list (HI, I'M SAAAALLY, CALL ME AT 1-900-BL**-ME). That's my 2 bits. -Sash At 18:45 12/27/95, Williams Consulting wrote: >What on earth is this? It's bad enough that my snail mailbox is full of >garbage. I don't want to have to read advertisments on this newsgroup as >well ! > >Should I give Alan a call and let him know how I feel? (508) 877-5964 is >his number. Or should I just unsubscribe? > >Sorry - This email is off topic. I just have to vent. I haven't been >riding with the ice on the ground and I'm going nuts! > >James Williams, Director V 703-591-8800 >Williams Consulting, Inc. F 301-513-9617 >95 CBR 900 RRRrrr >92 Duc 900 SS >90 YSR 50 >71 CB 750 > <<<< ims@XXXXXX >>>> > <<< http://monarch.butterfly.net/aod >>> > >On Wed, 27 Dec 1995 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > >> >> We specialize in detailed embroidered Motorcycle Club logos >> on top quality Caps and Jackets. Made in USA. >> >> If you might have a need for our services, please visit our Web Pages: >> >> http://XXXXXXXXX >> http://XXXXXXXXX >> >> or our mirror site at: >> >> http://XXXXXXXXX >> http://XXXXXXXXX >> >> Thank you, >> >> Alan >> Worldwide CAPS >> Custom And Personalized Sportswear >> e-mail: XXXXXXXXXX >> >> >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Dec 27 23:08:52 1995 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 23:02:12 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Entropy I thought the steering was getting a little loose. It wobbled when I released the handlebars, but it was controllable. Then I noticed that when I braked, the handlebars moved. Yesterday it seemed a little worse than normal, so I took the other bike to work today. My task tonight after getting home was to tighten the steering head bearings, but that didn't happen. The bike is my CX650. It has 124,832 miles on it. I've had this bike since it was just a pup. I bought it in the fall of 1985 when it had less than 7000 miles. It still had the original equipment tires on it. As I started the job, everything seemed normal. I put the bike on the centerstand and used some blocks under the front of the engine to raise the front wheel off the ground. Next I verified that the problem was up in the steering head by trying to make sure the wheel wasn't loose in the forks. Good so far, no noticeable problems with the front wheel bearings. Then I peeked around the fairing as I lifted the wheel to watch the triple clamp move in the steering head. It didn't, the steering head moved right along with the triple clamp. My heart sank. When I removed the fuel tank I saw it. The frame was badly cracked. The backbone of the bike is a 2 1/2 in. steel tube. It is severed except for 3/4 inch right at the top of the tube. Fortunately for me, the engine is a stressed member; it held the bike together. The crack isn't fresh, it's been there for a while, some of it is rusted, other areas of it are worn from rubbing against itself. I haven't had the fuel tank off the bike since last spring. I adjusted the steering head bearings in August, but it hasn't ever been 'right' since then. I can't ride it with a broken back. Hey, it's one thing to ride on the beltway in the snow, it's another thing entirely when the bike might decide that it's had enough and break into two pieces. The VIN is on the frame. If I replace that can I still call it the same bike? I've got another frame, it even has a lot of of nearly new parts still attached to it. At what point does it become a different bike? Please don't answer that last question, VA DMV might want more money. I think the old joke is about keeping the radiator cap and driving a new car underneath it, but I've already replaced that (twice). If I keep the speedometer and the data plate with the VIN can I still claim the miles or do I have to fix the frame to do that? How about if I ride it with a different frame until I get this one fixed? Leon Begeman - m-rider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124K miles 1983 Honda GL650I 68K miles 1978 Honda CB400A 14K miles FOR SALE - 1981 Yamaha Virago 750, 13K miles good cond. w/VA insp. $650 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 07:41:27 1995 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 95 07:42:50 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: Custom Caps and Jackets! I like the idea of getting MC-related advertisements if short and informative. And hey, my DELETE key works just fine if I want to get rid of something. Chris Norloff >At 18:45 12/27/95, Williams Consulting wrote: >>What on earth is this? It's bad enough that my snail mailbox is full of >>garbage. I don't want to have to read advertisments on this newsgroup as >>well ! >> >>Should I give Alan a call and let him know how I feel? (508) 877-5964 is >>his number. Or should I just unsubscribe? >> >>Sorry - This email is off topic. I just have to vent. I haven't been >>riding with the ice on the ground and I'm going nuts! >> >>James Williams, Director V 703-591-8800 >>Williams Consulting, Inc. F 301-513-9617 >>95 CBR 900 RRRrrr >>92 Duc 900 SS >>90 YSR 50 >>71 CB 750 >> <<<< ims@XXXXXX >>>> >> <<< http://monarch.butterfly.net/aod >>> >> >>On Wed, 27 Dec 1995 XXXXXXXXXXX wrote: >> >>> >>> We specialize in detailed embroidered Motorcycle Club logos >>> on top quality Caps and Jackets. Made in USA. >>> >>> If you might have a need for our services, please visit our Web Pages: >>> >>> http://XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >>> http://XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >>> >>> or our mirror site at: >>> >>> http://XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >>> http://XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Alan >>> Worldwide CAPS >>> Custom And Personalized Sportswear >>> e-mail: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >>> >>> >>> > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 08:34:50 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 08:34:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Army of Darkness Be sure to check out Jim Williams web page. http://monarch.butterfly.net/aod Happy new years! Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 09:55:57 1995 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 09:55:54 -0500 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: Coolant Leak I've a question for the mechanically-inclined on the list. I backed my bike out of the garage yesterday to fire it up and noticed that after running for a few minutes there were a half-dozen drops of Vulcan-green blood underneath the fairing--coolant, of course. I never saw it drip, and when I parked it back in the garage, I didn't see anything more drip from it. Does this mean I have an honest-to-goodness coolant leak somewhere or could those few drops have dripped on account of some other phenomenon, (e.g. couple of drops accumulate in overflow tube and drip out on first start in several weeks). Thanks. dale ************************************************************************** Ask me about "Motorcycle Journeys Through the Appalachians" Visit Appalachian Highways at http://www.his.com/~dale ************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 13:15:16 1995 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 13:15:14 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Re: Coolant Leak >I've a question for the mechanically-inclined on the list. I backed my bike >out of the garage yesterday to fire it up and noticed that after running for >a few minutes there were a half-dozen drops of Vulcan-green blood underneath >the fairing--coolant, of course. Before you read my answer, I should remind you that 1) my bike is dead, and 2) I can't make a living as a mechanic. It's winter, the bike doesn't need coolant in winter, ignore it. As a general rule, I ignore any coolant leaks that occur when the bike is cold. I treat coolant leaks on a hot bike very seriously. When the bike is hot, you will be able to smell the leak. Leon Begeman - m-rider@XXXXXX - begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 14Kmiles 1981 Yamaha Virago 750 13Kmiles ForSale, $650 From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 14:50:52 1995 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 14:49:27 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: Coolant Leak In-Reply-To: m-rider@mail.os2bbs.com (Leon Begeman) "Re: Coolant Leak" (Dec 28, 1:15pm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Dec 28, 1:15pm, Leon Begeman wrote: > It's winter, the bike doesn't need coolant in winter, ignore it. When cold, the thermostat is closed and prevents coolant from circulating through the radiator. The coolant in the water jacket thus permits the engine to reach operating temperature. I would make sure that there is enough fluid in the cooling system year-round. But, I agree that coolant leaks in the Winter are probably less serious than in hot weather. -- ******************************************************************* Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Landover, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request Thu Dec 28 15:23:27 1995 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 15:21:30 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: Bike Shows In-Reply-To: SRFox@aol.com "Re: Bike Shows" (Dec 27, 8:21am) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >> The Baltimore Show? I like it, but then it's the only show around, so >> it's easy to like. > There used to be a show at the convention center in DC, but for some > reason it fizzled out about '87 or '88. I went to the bike show at the convention center in January '89, so that must have been the last year. Since then I have gone to the show once in Baltimore. There are lots of bikes that you won't often see out on the streets at the bike show, lots of vendors (I bought a jacket one year), and even Ms. Harley-Davidson one year. -- ******************************************************************* Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Landover, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 29 10:04:46 1995 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 95 10:06:11 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: yet another city hazard 12th St. SW has (apparently) a leaking water main. Puddles in the middle of the road (at 30 deg. F!) and lots of icy slush where the cars have carried the water in the direction of the traffic flow. Icy roads on a dry day ... yeah, okay. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 29 16:20:01 1995 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 16:18:13 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: Motorcycle songs In-Reply-To: "jay gitomer" "Re: Motorcycle songs" (Dec 18, 9:49am) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Subject: Re: Motorcycle songs Not meaning to revive an old thread, but I just remembered the song "Motorbike" by the band Sheep On Drugs. No, I am not making this up. One of the lines goes, "Jesus rides a motorbike." -- ******************************************************************* Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Landover, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request Fri Dec 29 19:13:11 1995 To: Williams Consulting cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Custom Caps and Jackets! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:45:23 EST." X-uri: http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/harry/ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 19:13:10 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >> We specialize in detailed embroidered Motorcycle Club logos >> on top quality Caps and Jackets. Made in USA. ... >What on earth is this? It's bad enough that my snail mailbox is full of >garbage. I don't want to have to read advertisments on this newsgroup as >well ! > >Should I give Alan a call and let him know how I feel? (508) 877-5964 is >his number. Or should I just unsubscribe? I saw this note on a couple of motorcycling lists, so I'd _guess_ he spammed all the lists on Carl Paukstis' list o' motorcycle lists, though the address he used was the old 'umiacs.umd.edu' dc-cycles address, so he certainly didn't get the address from a recent list. This sort of thing is certainly inappropriate, and if it becomes a common occurence we can set things up so that dc-cycles only accepts postings from members of the list. I've sent this person a polite note explaining his transgression. I'd like to assume that he's just unaware of accepted practices, and not typical self-serving "netiquette-be-damned get-me-rich-quick" scum. I don't think it would hurt if more people did similarly, sending polite reminders to this person (wwcaps@XXXXXX), and I certainly urge you to not patronize any business that uses this type of spamming for advertising. In the long run, it's the angry "hey! what's the deal!" responses that eat more bandwidth than the spam. Please note that Mr. "Worldwide CAPS" only sent one message to the list, but this is the 3rd or 4th message that has come in response. -harry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Spoken: Harry Mantakos Domain: harry@XXXXXX UUCP: mimsy!harry Phone: 301-405-2750 USPS: U of Maryland, CS Dept., College Park, MD 20742 From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 30 12:33:21 1995 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 12:33:20 -0500 From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Message from PoPs Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe I'm x-posting this to philly-, balt- and dc-cycles. If you've already seen it, g'head and hit 'd' now... You can send replies either to me or directly to PoPs. From: "Bill Penschow" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Some Help Needed Hey guys and gals! Please help out a dirty old man. A neighbors kid practicing for his MC test crashed our 1976 CB500T. Not much damage to the kid but a lot of cometic damage to the bike. It's not worth repairing with new parts from the Honed thieves, but it runs real well and is fun to ride, so we want to get it fixed up. What I need is a non-running but cosmetically good 1976 CB500T, red in color that may be purchased cheap (under $250). If any of you out there can lead me to such an animal I will be happy to pay a finders fee of at least a six pack of your favorite brew or something other that your heat desires. Parts only will also be considered. I need: a) Fuel Tank (red) b) Right Side Plastic Cover (red) c) Right Side Riders Foot Peg Mount d) Right Front Turn Signal e) Complete Headlight Nacelle w/Headland, Mounting Ears & Reflectors f) Rear Brake Pedal g) Instrument Cluster (Both Spedo & Tach) h) Front Fender (chrome) I will also consider a pair of rust free mufflers. Thanks for any assistance you may be able to provide. Please email and don't suggest Barry's or Veterans or the breaker down in Philly. I am already checking those. The bike I am looking for doesn't even need a valid title. PoPs P.S. Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas and wishing you all a Happy New Year P.P.S Don't forget the Chilly Chili Run on New Years day. -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500C, 76 CJ360 |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 2-75 RE5 KAW: 72 H2 "More bikes than brains!" From dc-cycles-request Sat Dec 30 22:31:35 1995 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 22:31:34 -0500 From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: tmetzinger@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Polar Bear Run, DC Area Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe TMetzinger wrote: > Any of you fanatics (Yes, I'm talking to YOU, Miss Holm!) ;-) going to the > Polar Bear Run / Get-together at the Dixie Pig on Monday? I usually do - I've made it 7 or 8 of the 12 years they've held it. But given the weather forcast (rain/freezing rain overnight and into the early morning), the fact that I've developed a nasty head cold and would have to ride 75 miles just to get to the Pig (I'm NE of Baltimore), I suspect that I'll be missing this year's installment. Enjoy... ;-( Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500C, 76 CJ360 |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 2-75 RE5 KAW: 72 H2 "More bikes than brains!" From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 31 14:18:45 1995 From: Dark Hacker Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 14:18:35 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, wweiss@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Shows So are there any bike shows in the Baltimore/Washington DC area? When? I have the hankering to go to one. Parituclarly if Ms. Harley-Davidson is there :-) - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 31 16:30:34 1995 From: BKVA1@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 16:30:01 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX cc: BKVA1@XXXXXX Subject: Ms. Harley Davidson I read something recently that HD had discontinued the Ms. Harley title and there will be no more. Welcome to the Politically Correct world. Has anybody else heard this terrible story? Dennis From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 31 17:48:55 1995 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "brian downey" Organization: PSA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 17:44:37 +0000 Subject: Dixie Pig? X-Confirm-Reading-To: brdowney@XXXXXX X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.20) I saw something from Mr. Bill this AM about a 1Jan96 run to the Dixie Pig, but haven't heard any details. Anybody know the plan? Barring ice on the road I'd like to get out there myself ... Keeping the shiny side up, _______________ ===(')(') ________________bfd_____ Brian Downey "" brdowney@XXXXXX Falls Church, VA brdowney@XXXXXX '84 750 Interceptor DoD#4657 exUSN 2 cool boys From dc-cycles-request Sun Dec 31 20:21:24 1995 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 20:21:20 -0500 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: Coolant Leak Redux Thanks to the several replies regarding the coolant leak. I'll keep an eye on it, but I'm certainly relieved to gain the consensus of the group that unless it's recurrent, it's not a big deal. dale ************************************************************************** Ask me about "Motorcycle Journeys Through the Appalachians" Visit Appalachian Highways at http://www.his.com/~dale **************************************************************************